1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 04 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 123       Contents: A bit of Vax/VMS history AB Dick 9870 for Sale + Re: Compaq adopts microsoft approach to VMS + Re: Compaq sells sole remaining Alpha plant  Re: expensive procedure calls  Re: expensive procedure calls & Re: Hewlett releases committee minutes$ Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug!$ Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug! Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles- Let me know any References for Stock Exchange % LNCO2... now where do I get supplies? ) Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies? ) Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies? 8 Re: Monitor lock and monitor io questions ! - correction	 node name 
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 Lisp was not.   > (I do not know much about Lisp at all, much less Common Lisp.)  I What version(s) of Lisp were dynamically scoped, versus lexically scoped?    --  N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------K  "I know something you don't know. . . ."       |   stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu G             -Inigo  (_The Princess Bride_)      |      Stewart Stremler    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:40:55 +1300 # From: Bruce Hoult <bruce@hoult.org> & Subject: Re: expensive procedure calls= Message-ID: <bruce-4E3854.15405504032002@copper.ipg.tsnz.net>   C In article <a5uis8$iod$1@gondor.sdsu.edu>, stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu   wrote:  @ > In alt.folklore.computers Bruce Hoult <bruce@hoult.org> wrote: > [snip]J > > Pascal is identical to Scheme, Dylan and Common Lisp in this regard.   > > All are lexically scoped.  > H > And here I with the impression that one of the key differences betweenG > Scheme and Common Lisp was the scheme was lexically scoped and Common  > Lisp was not.  > @ > (I do not know much about Lisp at all, much less Common Lisp.) > K > What version(s) of Lisp were dynamically scoped, versus lexically scoped?   G All Lisps were dynamically scoped until Steele showed in the late 70's  G that lexical scoping was more predictable, equally efficient, could do  C things that dynamic scoping couldn't do (e.g. closures), and could  D emulate dynamic scoping if need be.  Scheme was the first lexically F scoped Lisp, it started spreading to other Lisps by the mid 80's, and - Common Lisp has always been lexically scoped.   G As far as I know, the only dynamically scoped Lisp still in common use  G is Emacs Lisp.  And pretty much everyone (including RMS) would like to   change that.  H Common Lisp does still have the ability to declare particular variables 7 to be dynamically scoped (as does Perl, using 'local').    -- Bruce   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 04:29:19 GMT ( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>/ Subject: Re: Hewlett releases committee minutes , Message-ID: <zKCg8.11343$e07.1910@sccrnsc01>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Yp5v+J862KJf@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGECDEEAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:/ > > I wonder what is in it for Condit and Ginn.  > >  > $ > Brand new shiny black helicopters.   Invisible black helicopters?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2002 20:04:49 +0100   From: Cthulhu <noone@nowhere.it>- Subject: Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug! ) Message-ID: <a5ts4h$56p$1@kadath.deep.it>   ! John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:   @ > ftp://ftp.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/tcpip/5.0a/2 > dec-axpvms-tcpip_eco-v0500-113-4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe  D I will try again now that I've installed the PCSI ECO, but I suppose% that ECOs for 5.0a don't work on 5.0.    	riprovatamente, 	   Cthulhu    --    D    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it/ wgah'nagl fhtgan!$ 		     <cthulhu (at) rlyeh (dot) it>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:54:08 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>- Subject: Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug! 5 Message-ID: <1020303203359.3430A-100000@Ives.egh.com>    On 3 Mar 2002, Cthulhu wrote:   # > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:  > B > > ftp://ftp.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/tcpip/5.0a/4 > > dec-axpvms-tcpip_eco-v0500-113-4.pcsi-dcx_axpexe > F > I will try again now that I've installed the PCSI ECO, but I suppose' > that ECOs for 5.0a don't work on 5.0.  >  > 	riprovatamente,
 > 	   Cthulhu  >  > --   > F >    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it/ wgah'nagl fhtgan!& > 		     <cthulhu (at) rlyeh (dot) it>  B Hmmm...  I thought a) the Hobbyist CD was VMS V7.2/TCPIP V5.0A andE b) that you needed to upgrade TCPIP V5.0 to V5.0A to run on VMS V7.2, D (V5.0 wouldn't work), but I could be mis-remembering.  (Maybe it wasC V4.x UCX wouldn't work on VMS V7.1??)  (Someone snipped the version G info from the thread, if it was ever here.  Please always post versions < when asking questions like this, since old brains forget :-)  B I'm not 100% sure that the 5.0A ECO's won't work on 5.0, since the difference is a sub-version.  3 v5.0A ECO is: dec-axpvms-tcpip_eco-v0500-113-4.pcsi # Original 5.0 kit was something like "  dec-axpvms-tcpip-v0500-100-4.pcsi  E If you try to install it, it should complain and refuse to install if D it doesn't have the right base version of TCPIP to work from.  If it+ doesn't complain, then it is probably okay.   B I looked around again and couldn't find any TCPIP 5.0 ECO's on theD support FTP system.  They could be lurking somewhere.  But maybe the only ECO for 5.0 was 5.0A.  E It would probably be easier to borrow a VMS CDROM from someone (TCPIP D is on both the VMS and LP CD's, so either set should work.)  I wouldA try to get TCPIP 5.1, if I had a choice.  It is perfectly okay toaD install a hobbyist system from borrowed CD's.  I've asked before and was told that by Compaq folks.   -- d John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 21:06:28 +0100r* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles / Message-ID: <3C828244.8050409@brussels.sgi.com>O   George N. White III wrote:F >>The vast majority of *new* customers for SGI servers (last I looked,G >>50%+ of revenue) are running applications that run on other platformsM+ >>too, so that can't be the only reason ;).T >> > C > How many of these SGI customers had Sun as their first choice butnF > bought SGI because they could get earlier delivery or better prices? > H In my experience -- none. The weaknesses of Sun solutions aren't exactly) where you are trying to place them, IMHO.        -- o? <these messages express my own views, not those of my employer>r) Alexis Cousein				Senior Systems Engineer0. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:21:33 GMTe  From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesc+ Message-ID: <3C82A217.F3607CBE@prodigy.net>s   Alexis Cousein wrote:0 >  > George N. White III wrote:H > >>The vast majority of *new* customers for SGI servers (last I looked,I > >>50%+ of revenue) are running applications that run on other platformsr- > >>too, so that can't be the only reason ;).s > >> > >0E > > How many of these SGI customers had Sun as their first choice buteH > > bought SGI because they could get earlier delivery or better prices? > >fJ > In my experience -- none. The weaknesses of Sun solutions aren't exactly+ > where you are trying to place them, IMHO.x   Do tell!   >  > --A > <these messages express my own views, not those of my employer> A > Alexis Cousein                          Senior Systems Engineeri= > SGI Belgium and Luxemburg               al@brussels.sgi.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2002 18:02:41 -0800e( From: insoo.kim@compaq.com (Kim, In Soo)6 Subject: Let me know any References for Stock Exchange= Message-ID: <2435e043.0203031802.4d067fac@posting.google.com>    Hello.  - Now I'm looking for following reference site.i  G OpenVMS Cluster + RTR + DecNIS600(Decnet over X.25 or TCP/IP over X.25)a   Thanks for your kindness...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 21:05:29 GMTo From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG1. Subject: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies?0 Message-ID: <00A0A655.A612D981@SendSpamHere.ORG>  N Used to be a link to order supplies for the LNCO2 on the dec/Compaq web sites.N Now, there's only a link to a "how to buy" page and that provides an 800 phone1 number which has proved to be completely useless./  N I have searched the web sites of and/or I have called all of the Compaq listedN distributors/resellers and none of them seem to have any information regarding the LNCO2 or its supplies.  M My system's fuser oil bottle is empty and I need to replacement it.  Any idea 6 where can I get one?  ...other LNCO2 supplied as well?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            >J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes<   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 18:18:23 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 2 Subject: Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies?, Message-ID: <3C82AF36.F749069A@videotron.ca>   system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:O > My system's fuser oil bottle is empty and I need to replacement it.  Any ideae8 > where can I get one?  ...other LNCO2 supplied as well?  D Is this an HP engine printer ? If so, then you only need to find theD equivalent HP part number and buy it from your local computer store.  > That is what I have been doing for yeras for my Declaser 5100.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:30:26 GMTi, From: "Martin Doehring" <doehring@attbi.com>2 Subject: Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies?; Message-ID: <mmyg8.25761$ro5.10952525@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>a   Trye% https://www.suppliesmax.com/index.cfm<+ and enter the store, search for Digital....n   They seem to have oil kits   martin  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C82AF36.F749069A@videotron.ca...  > system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:L > > My system's fuser oil bottle is empty and I need to replacement it.  Any idea: > > where can I get one?  ...other LNCO2 supplied as well? >pF > Is this an HP engine printer ? If so, then you only need to find theF > equivalent HP part number and buy it from your local computer store. ><@ > That is what I have been doing for yeras for my Declaser 5100.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2002 19:55:36 -0800n1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)dA Subject: Re: Monitor lock and monitor io questions ! - correctionc= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0203031955.32ee1b04@posting.google.com>#  v Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:<20020222134400.11481.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>...5 > --- Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:e5 > > I upgraded my Alphaserver 4100 memory from 4GB toe& > > 6GB. My software configuration is: > > 0 > > OpenVMS is 7.2 / RDB 7.0-31 and Gembase 6.0. > >  > > 2 > > I have some questions because I think for some5 > > specific applciations I didnt see an improvement.02 > > My application are much more io / memory bound4 > > I have 4 CPUs EV56 and they allways stay between! > > 200-300 % at the monitor sys.d  F I'm no Rdb expert, but others here are, and may be able to help more. ? (I did recently skim the book "Rdb: A Comprehensive Guide", 3rd,; Edition, by Lillian Hobbs, Ian Smith, and Ken England, ISBNe6 1-55558-186-2, and I think you might find it helpful.)  F You may have to take specific actions to utilize the extra 2 gigabytesD in a beneficial way before you see a performance difference.  On theC VMS side, running AUTOGEN with FEEDBACK can help adjust things liketC the free and modified list sizes, to improve performance related todE process page faulting, but I'm sure you've already done that.  On themE Rdb side, well, for example, if you don't already have global buffersnB set up in Rdb, or you have them set up but they're small, devotingB some of that extra host memory to caching might help if you're I/OC bound.  Rdb 7 also added row caching capability; perhaps using that4+ might help, if you aren't already doing so./  E If you're experiencing a locking bottleneck, the book mentions hashed0A indexes, adjustable locking granularity, variable page sizes, and D snapshot transactions as things that can help reduce problems causedA by locking (and it also mentions partitioned lock trees, but if ImC understand them correctly, I think they'd only help if you had 2 or @ more nodes in a cluster to partition them across, but I could be wrong)."  B The book also talks about various Rdb tuning and monitoring tools, including RMU/SHOW STATISTICS.  2 > > I hope this goes formatet below.  It is my mon0 > > lock/curr and I believe the values are high. > >  > 	 > CORRECTt >  > MONITOR IO/CURRENT > % > Direct I/O Rate                1369  > Buffered I/O Rate		322 > Mailbox Write Rate		  7t >  > Split Transfer Rate/& > Log Name Translation Rate        814& > File Open Rate                    20 > % > Page Fault Rate                 723h% > POage Read Rate                 177>% > Page Read I/O Rate               85  > Page Write Ratet > Page Write I/O Raten > Inswap' > Free List Size                 307459n' > Modified List Size              86385s >  >  > MONITOR LOCK/CURRENT >  > New ENQ Rate			1565w > Converted ENQ Rate		 348 >  > DEQ Rate 			1502 > Blocking AST Rate		  30w > & > ENQ Forced To Wait Rate           17& > ENQ Not Queued Rate              154 >  > Deadlock Search Rate > Deadlock Find RAte >  > Total Locks			180197 > Total Resources			 26838  ? As with any performance work, knowing what is "normal" for your F configuration is important, because numbers like the above vary widelyF between sites, so it's hard for us to tell if a number looks "high" or "low".  A In general, rate values won't be of much help in performance workdE unless you know or have some idea of the rate at which you will start = to induce a bottleneck.  Queue length data could be much morel4 informative in pinpointing a performance bottleneck.  < But there are a couple of values shown which may be helpful:  & > ENQ Forced To Wait Rate           17  B This is the number of lock requests per second that were forced toF wait because of lock contention of some sort.  In comparison with yourD total ENQ and convert rates, this represents perhaps 1% of requests,F not very high.  But those requests might be for the specific functions which still seem slow to you.n  & > ENQ Not Queued Rate              154  B is an even higher (about 8% of total ENQ and Convert requests).  IE don't know enough about Rdb to know exactly what's going on here, but C these are cases where lock contention occurred, but for some reason ? the code decides not to just blindly wait, but takes some other < specific recovery action (perhaps trying a lock at a smallerD granularity level?).  But I can imagine these cases might imply some negative performance impact.  E I think you'll have to dig deeper than MONITOR statistics to find out A what's really going on.  RMU/SHOW STATISTICS has a screen showinghB "Summary Locking" (of particular interest here might be the "rqstsD stalled" and "stall time x100" data) and a screen showing "File Lock@ Overview" that can give you some more-specific information about locking within Rdb.h  B You can use my LCKQUE tool from the VMS Freeware CD V5 to see lockD queues down at the VMS level, but since it reports lock queues basedB on resource names, you'd then have to do some digging to make someD sense out of the resource names as they're used inside of Rdb if you, see Rdb locks as the subject of lock queues.  F Since locks are typically held to afford a process protection while itC completes an I/O operation, if the underlying I/O is slow, that caneC increase the chances of lock contention, so if you speed up the I/Ou@ operations, you can often reduce the associated lock queues.  AsD another poster pointed out, $MONITOR DISK/ITEM=QUEUE_LENGTH can showE you disk queues and start to point you to where in the I/O subsystems > you might look more closely or make changes to reduce disk I/O bottlenecks, if any.? ---------------------------------------------------------------i? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on:s> Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:23:09 +1200& From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> Subject: node name< Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF61568D@EXCHSVR>   mc latcp> sho node   it will show the node name   how I can change it?       asenar   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:04:25 GMT 4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> Subject: Re: node name; Message-ID: <dSyg8.137$nC6.1274@news-server.bigpond.net.au>w   Checkout the FAQ, MGMT19 ate  5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmll   Matt.,   --= -------------------------------------------------------------- OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Compaq Computer Corporation. Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAh= -------------------------------------------------------------     3 "A Bonaveidogo" <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote in message 6 news:BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF61568D@EXCHSVR... >  > mc latcp> sho node >c > it will show the node name >  > how I can change it? >5 >5 >3 > asenae   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2002 19:59:11 +0100e  From: Cthulhu <noone@nowhere.it>* Subject: Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?) Message-ID: <a5trpv$52q$1@kadath.deep.it>d  + 2damncommon <2damncommon@nospam.com> wrote:s  G > To Cthulhu: Perhaps a note to Montagar where you applied for the PAKss > would be a good start.  , Perhaps I should read all the docs first. ;)  E > by the PAKs. I realize what they are, but am not really sure how todE > work with them.  Since I installed VMS from my hobbyist CD I loadedv   Just install 'em all!n  6 > Per a message from DECNET I also installed DVNETEND.  G DECnet is not working well on my Charon-VAX/Linux, maybe the absence ofsG a network card is generating all that strange messages. I can't do eveny a "SET HOST 0"...n  X > From the docs I have read I understand I should load the PAK first, then the software?  G Software can be usually installed without its PAK, but if you want also0 to use it... :)L  E > Don't really know what software, PAKs, perform what functions. Thism  H I don't know too, I just launched the whole file and installed all PAKs.  H If you run Charon on Linux and have installed C-Kermit, you can hack itsG "terminal" script so you can use Kermit as console to upload ASCII filecF first, and binary files then. It would need a loooong time to type all of that PAK by hands!,  E > Without turning this into comp.os.vms.whining.newbie.hobbyist, I amj   And where should I go so? :(   	hobbisticamente,- 	    Cthulhu   -- 1  D    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it/ wgah'nagl fhtgan!$ 		     <cthulhu (at) rlyeh (dot) it>   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2002 20:03:18 +0100o  From: Cthulhu <noone@nowhere.it>* Subject: Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?) Message-ID: <a5ts1m$52v$1@kadath.deep.it>   , John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:  I > The Layered Products PAK is tracked by your DECUS number, It remembers mF > when the PAKs were last requested, and up until a month before it's < > renewal date will always send out the same PAKs as before.   Ah, I was missing that!   H So, I can avoid to regenerate Layered PAKs at all, I just have to keep a copy somewhere...1  : Well, another RTFM mistery solved, thanks for patience. :)   	appresamente, 	   Cthulhu    -- O  D    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it/ wgah'nagl fhtgan!$ 		     <cthulhu (at) rlyeh (dot) it>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:46:15 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>* Subject: Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?) Message-ID: <3C81C6B7.5080300@bluewin.ch>E   2damncommon wrote:   > On 1 Mar 2002 22:54:55 -06000 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >  > c >>In article <a5pblg02a4q@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:p >>H >>>I just realized I needed to hurry up and get new Hobbyist PAKs for my> >>>system, and discovered that there is at least two new PAKs. >>>EK >>>I gather that DFG is "Disk File Optimizer"?  However, what on earth does  >>>OPENVMS-HOBBYIST do?!?!?w >>> G >>PAKs for OPENVMS-HOBBYIST are only provided to hobbyists.  Thus thirdyF >>parties can honor that PAK rather than having to issue their own forF >>hobbyists.  Some third parties would prefer to issue their own PAKs. >> > H > Thank you, I have been dealing with PAKs and wondering the same thing.b > NOTE: My VAX-VMS PAK and layered products PAKs all expire one year from when I applied for them. > To Cthulhu: Perhaps a note to Montagar where you applied for the PAKs would be a good start. I received a good reply within a week to a question I had about qualifying for the hobbyist program.e > I am about as green as they come. Due to general interest in OS's I loaded Charon-Vax (an excellent emulator, easier to run than WINE, BOCHS, or VM Ware as far as I am concerned) onto my Linux system and have VMS running.vh > Have added users, learned to use HELP, mount and read my CDROM, and fooled with mail and text editors.c > I am confused by the PAKs. I realize what they are, but am not really sure how to work with them.lE > Since I installed VMS from my hobbyist CD I loaded the VMS-VAX PAK.dL > I just happened to notice the OPENVMS-HOBBYIST PAK so I installed it also.6 > Per a message from DECNET I also installed DVNETEND.    H FWIW, I simply load the lot. The email from Montagar is easily editable D into DCL command procedure - simply strip out the email headers and I other blurb, and you have a ready to execute command procedure. IIRC you 8 need to insert  
 $ SET NOON  C at the top to ignore errors (e.g. trying to add a license you have   already registered)u    X > From the docs I have read I understand I should load the PAK first, then the software? > Don't really know what software, PAKs, perform what functions. This may clear up when I am able to open the product info on my CD.@ > Without turning this into comp.os.vms.whining.newbie.hobbyist,    G Some products insist that you have the PAK loaded before installation, sH even if only to run the IVP (Installation Verification Procedure). Some ( don't. It's easier to load 'em up first.  Z > I am sure all us new hobbyist would appreciate any info, or links about how to deal with  $ > PAKS (when you are done laughing). >    I believe I can speak for the rest of the folks here when I say we are not laughing, but welcome you to the world of VMS.If you ask polite and sensible questions, you will get polite and sensible answers, from folks with a vast amount of VMS experience.I    
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 04:32:23 GMTN* From: 2damncommon <2damncommon@nospam.com>* Subject: Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?< Message-ID: <20020303203304.7fce838a.2damncommon@nospam.com>  " On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:46:15 +0100) Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote:    <snip>  L > I believe I can speak for the rest of the folks here when I say we are notM >laughing, but welcome you to the world of VMS.If you ask polite and sensible-L >questions, you will get polite and sensible answers, from folks with a vast >amount of VMS experience.  / Thank you for the welcome and your suggestions.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:11:20 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>U Subject: Re: Prior Version Support (was: Re: Compaq adopts microsoft approach to VMS)a) Message-ID: <3C82BBA8.3060106@bluewin.ch>.   Robert Deininger wrote:)  ? > In article <d7791aa1.0202280556.7fe6baf8@posting.google.com>,D+ > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:e >  >  > L >>what about a decwindows cert patch for 7.1-1H2 ... they want us to upgradeN >>to 7.1-2 to get it, but that involves upgrading 35 boxes around the country! >>we have bronze support ... >> > K > So are folks in your company discussing this with your support contacts? jL > Upgrading from 7.1-1H2 to 7.1-2 is a generally a very low-impact upgrade. K > Yes, it takes some time, and 35 systems is not a trivial amount of work. cK > But 7.1-1H2 was never intended as a long-term stopping point.  Compaq hasp5 > made that clear from the first day 7.1-1H2 shipped.p > L > You ought to be planning an upgrade to at least 7.1-2.  If you can't do itG > right away, you should still be planning it for someday.  And if youryG > environment makes it difficult to upgrade, you need to make sure youriH > bronze support contacts undertand that.  They can likely find a way to > accomodate your needs. > J > None of this should be a surprise.  The status of 7.1-1H2 hasn't changedJ > in ages.  You need to be talking to support folks, not the newsgroup, if > your needs are not being met.r > J > If you got all the patches you need, you'd probably still have to rebootI > when you installed them.  Which is about the same impact you'd see from  > upgrading to 7.1-2.. >   F Excellent advice Robert. (yep I know it's a lot of quote for a 3 word " reply, but it is excellent advice)  
 Paul Sture Switzerlandr   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:37:59 GMTc4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>& Subject: Re: proliant 1600 not booting/ Message-ID: <3C82A4A1.1074CEF@blueyonder.co.uk>i   Paul Sture wrote:  > 
 > Mart wrote:  > I > > I have a compaq proliant 1600 and when the server powers up but, getsfH > > to the bios, then quits when it goes to recognize the PIII, it says,, > > "Unsupported Processor detected. Systems: > > halted". From then nothing happen, I can`t do anything > >p@ > > I need to boot the system, any help would be appreciated.... > > 9 > Wrong newsgroup. Try alt.sys.pc-clone.compaq for advice   G Right newsgroup to suggest Mart consider an upgrade to VMS on ALpha :-)J   -- " Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  r  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of a! my employers or service provider.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 16:00:34 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>?? Subject: Re: remember this one: DEC and INTEL agreement in 1997t, Message-ID: <3C828EF2.F77D4929@videotron.ca>   Didier Morandi wrote:u > > > http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/CN102797.HTM  K Wow. That announcement has a lot more meaning in hindsight when you look at0N DEC's commitments to IA64. I guess the only reason work on Alpha continued was0 that Intel was quite late with its bloated IA64.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:47:15 GMT ) From: Ray L Saunders <rls@steeleweed.com>  Subject: Re: Singular they. Message-ID: <3C82C24A.A4A84BBD@steeleweed.com>  ; English grammar has some holes in it, as to most languages.h! For example, the  'tag' question: @ "She looks nice, doesn't she?  ... the "doesn't she" is the Tag.  % Try filling in the tags to following:   - They're in the garden............aren't they?  It's yours.......isn't it? We can do it,......can't we?( Someone's at the door.......????????????       Ketil Malde wrote:  8 > Bob Cousins <bob@$NOSPAM$lintilla.demon.co.uk> writes: >r > > Ken Hagan wrote: >r. > >>>     Everyone took their coats with them. >e* > >> "Everyone took their coat with them"? >e5 > > Jeez, whomever cares! English is a dumb language.i > G > I won't quote Dickens or that crowd, but there are *some* that managefE > to speak of persons in an efficient and natural, yet gender-neutralg	 > manner:a >n; >         "We hates it, my precious!  We hates it forever."  > :-)e >u > -kzm > --J > If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:33:11 +0100o( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: SOAP on OpenVMS?') Message-ID: <3C82C0C7.1040504@bluewin.ch>d   Jan Trnka wrote:  b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3C79AC97.B8F2C648@fsi.net>... >  >>Jan Trnka wrote: >>	 >>>Robertc >>>l= >>>we are developing an messaging software called Compaq USP.n >>>/H >>I've been tempted to think there's at least one "dope" at the Q, but IJ >>never considered anything called, "Compaq (U.S. Pharmacopoeia)". Will it+ >>be over-the-counter or prescription only?e >> > G > Years ago Paul Shraeger (the RTR architect) told me that ACID is a TP  > drug.s    3 Paul has to be one of the best raconteurs I know...2  G What surprised me when I asked his ex-wife(she apparently did a lot of nE testing, and when she calls it reliable, I believe her) yesterday is lG that RTR was designed back in 1981, when folks in VMS Engineering were .? asking questions such as "Why on earth do you want to do that?"   
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:16:47 GMTd) From: "Geoff Bryant" <nospam@nowhere.net> R Subject: Re: To VMS support: What is VMS/ucx raw socket exposure to DrDos attacks?; Message-ID: <Pwvg8.43787$%b6.11609935@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>   K TCPware and MultiNet require a process to have system privilege (SYSPRV) to  create a RAW socket.  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0203011126.397a1efa@posting.google.com...6D > Could someone enlighten us on potential problems here w/raw socketG > api's in ucx/tcpware/multinet ... please read about new DrDos attacksw > at ... >o > http://grc.com/dos/drdos.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:59:44 -0500o' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> ' Subject: Re: VMS for a DEC 5000/240???? ' Message-ID: <3C828EC0.8143A1E0@gce.com>"  & ebay tends to have less costly alphas.    
 RDD wrote: >  > Greetings, > D > And thanks for your reply.  You're right, it is a MIPS box.  WhileG > it's maybe a bit off-topic for this NG. would you know of a place onenH > could purchase some inexpensive hardware suitable for OpenVMS?  Just aF > small, (though hopefully somewhat usable)  machine for home/hobbyist. > usage.  All I'm finding are $10,000+ Alphas. >  > Many thanks! > 8 > Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> wrote in message > L > > I beleive a DEC 5000/240 is probably one of those MIPS boxes, right?  IfN > > so, VMS will not run on it.  VMS requires either a VAX or Alpha processor.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:56:09 -0800t% From: Tom Crabtre <tccrab@sunset.net>m' Subject: Re: VMS for a DEC 5000/240???? * Message-ID: <3C82AA09.C66EDFD9@sunset.net>   Ryan:   M I second Tom's suggestion, call Island Computer Co., ask for David Turner.  II- recommend Island for three very good reasons:h 1. Great Pricese 2. Great Support 3. David is really a great guy!r  P Over the years I bought many systems and parts/pieces from David, only a minimumG of problems which were corrected immediately.  If only he sold cars andn	 homes....e   TomC   Tom Linden wrote:   3 > I have used with success http://www.islandco.com/  >hB > You can run Ultrix and ALSO PL/I on the 240, and they are pretty > reliable.  >n > > -----Original Message-----) > > From: RDD [mailto:kd5izi@my-deja.com]t( > > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 9:29 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd+ > > Subject: Re: VMS for a DEC 5000/240????w > >t > >g > > Greetings, > >cF > > And thanks for your reply.  You're right, it is a MIPS box.  WhileI > > it's maybe a bit off-topic for this NG. would you know of a place oneuJ > > could purchase some inexpensive hardware suitable for OpenVMS?  Just aH > > small, (though hopefully somewhat usable)  machine for home/hobbyist0 > > usage.  All I'm finding are $10,000+ Alphas. > >o > > Many thanks! > >  > > : > > Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> wrote in message > >eN > > > I beleive a DEC 5000/240 is probably one of those MIPS boxes, right?  IfE > > > so, VMS will not run on it.  VMS requires either a VAX or Alphaa > > processor. > >s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.123 ************************