1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 04 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 124       Contents: Re: A newby DCL question.  Re: A newby DCL question. 8 another VMS event in NYC which you are welcome to attend, Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics! Compaq Solutions Alliance  Re: Compaq Solutions Alliance  Re: Compaq Solutions Alliance  Re: Compaq Solutions Alliance  Re: Compaq Solutions Alliance  DCL delete question  Re: DCL delete question # Re: DEC Professional 300 series FAQ 2 DR and PAKs (was: RE: I: PAKGEN Software for ISVs) Re: DTE Unsynchronised Re: DTE Unsynchronised# Head & Rotor VE(CHINA-LuTong) 03/03 # Head & Rotor VE(CHINA-LuTong) 03/03 $ Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug!$ Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug!$ Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug!G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux 6 Intel antes up $1B on success of Itanium line of chips ISV webcast invitations  RE: ISV webcast invitations  Re: ISV webcast invitations  Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles1 Re: Let me know any References for Stock Exchange ) Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies? ) Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies? ) Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies? ) Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies?  Lock Manager, sublock question0 Merger question for someone in the know (Terry?)4 Re: Merger question for someone in the know (Terry?)! RE: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK? ! Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?  size of a file Re: size of a file Re: size of a file< RE: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was T, TEST, DECA, D-BOL! GET BIG, RIPPED & STRONG!I Re: To VMS support: What is VMS/ucx raw socket exposure to DrDos attacks?  Re: VMS for a DEC 5000/240????> Re: Warning!  Windoze XP involved in DRDos attacks!  Avoid XP!. What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 3000  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:09:38 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> " Subject: Re: A newby DCL question.; Message-ID: <01KEYL60P1RA8Y8HHB@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   @ > What is the difference of =, ==, := and define logical in DCL?  ( One = is a local symbol, == is a global.  = A = preceeded by a : means "what follows is a string".  Thus,       A = "XXX"   and       A := XXX    mean the same.  However,      A = "xxx  YYY"   / will preserve case (and multiple spaces), while       A := "xxx  YYY"   won't.  D Symbols are in DCL, logicals essentially everywhere.  When defining C something to be a file spec or part thereof, there is some overlap  & between uses for symbols and logicals.  6 I recommend the User's Manual in the documentation....   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:01:26 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca>" Subject: Re: A newby DCL question.4 Message-ID: <G_Lg8.1913$a04.11061@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   Hi  E Some posters addressed the question about assigning values to symbols  (local, global)  No one talked about logicals.   ' Thees 2 are totally different concepts. 9 Symbols are variables you can use in DCL. Simple as that.   I Logical names, that you can DEFINE (or olders guys still using old syntax . can ASSIGN) are to assign a "site-independant"9 or "environment-independant" name to a file, device, etc. I Let's say you are a software developper and sell your products around the  world.G VMS is no PC shit. Not everyone has a C drive. Some people will want to G install your software in their $1$DKB0: drive, some others in DSA4: and > others in DUA32. Again, some will like to install in directory% [THIS_SOFTWARE] and others in  [ABCD] I To ensure your software will work in all these environements, you give in L your installation notes the instruction to define a logical name MY_SOFTWARE< to point to whatever installation directory they install it.. Ex.: $ DEFINE MY_SOFTWARE $4$DKB0:[HEREANDNOW]E Then your application uses this logical to find its files within this  installation directory. G Oh! I must add! When this disk becomes unusable after a head crash, you K restore your application to a different disk drive, change you logical name G assignment, and you can use the software again. No need to reinstall or  reconfigure any more than that.   I That`s a quick example of what it does for you, and it extends far beyond K that as it is one of the most powerful thing on VMS. You definitely want to 7 learn more about logical name, check the documentation.    HTH    --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  < "wing" <wingwong@witty.com> a crit dans le message de news:2 873e96d6.0203020142.7cb86265@posting.google.com... > Hi,  > $ > I am new to openvms and hence DCL. > @ > What is the difference of =, ==, := and define logical in DCL? >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Wing   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:04:08 -05002 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>A Subject: another VMS event in NYC which you are welcome to attend 1 Message-ID: <I%Lg8.480$fL6.7693@news.cpqcorp.net>   ' What: OpenVMS Galaxy Dynamic clustering   * \Who: Bill Hanley, OpenVMS Program Manager   When: March 21, 1-3pm   L Where: Compaq offices, 2 Penn Plaza, NYC 7th ave and 31st st. 8th floor, New York and Pacific rooms  3 Contact: Andrea Sullivan/ Lynne Hummel 212-856-2000    Agenda:   I Galaxy Technical Presentation Bill Hanley OpenVMS Program Manager OpenVMS  Engineering   8 Customer Testimonial Jim Walker Vice President TIAA CREF  " Galaxy Demo Ted Burrowes SE Compaq   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:59:17 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> 5 Subject: Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics! ' Message-ID: <3C83A7E5.7060208@mmaz.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:     >isn't this ad 5 years too soon? > * >http://www.theinquirer.net/mm25020202.htm >  >Compaq TV ad to push Itanic   > % >But they're Alphas in Pittsburgh...  ' >By Mike Magee, 03/03/2002 01:20:54 BST  >   D Compaq seem to like doing these sorts of things.  The recent Inform E (Spring 2002) that came out spoke of how "Compaq invented clustering  H concept 22 years ago with OpenVMS clusters."  Humm, does that mean when G I purchased my home I invented garages?  They may own the rights to it  H but it seems a bit disingenuous to take credit for the creation of it...   Barry    > G >THE WORD ON THE advertising street is that Compaq is preparing a TV ad 8 >that will have Alpha aficionados fainting in disbelief.D >According to sources so close to Compaq that they're not allowed to? >view the INQUIRER on their PCs, the ad features the Pittsburgh  >Supercomputing facility.  > G >This facility, of course, demonstrates the fearsome power of the Alpha  >in its high end incarnation.  > F >But, we understand, shots of the Pittsburgh site are interleaved withD >pictures of an unlidded Compaq Itanium, which of course is shipping) >now after that horrible SNAFU last year.  > F >The director of the center - which uses Alpha technology - is made toG >say something along the lines that the incredible computation power of B >his installation proves the superiority of the Itanium processor. > < >Which of course it doesn't. And won't for a fair old while. > > >Meanwhile, intrepid girl reporter Eva Glass tells us that theC >marketing department(s) at Q are very much afraid that if the HP-Q ? >takeover goes ahead on April Fool's day, most will go, go, go.  > D >That, she understands, means that little in the way of marketing isF >going on, the CVs/resumes are flying like confetti, while "cover your >ass" is the order of the day. > F >But is having the words Compaq Marketing Specialist on your CV a good9 >recommendation for a future job, Eva mischievously asks.  >  >    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:13:18 +0000 (UTC), From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m>" Subject: Compaq Solutions Alliance1 Message-ID: <a5qj5d$p80$1@knossos.btinternet.com>    Hi,   G What does one have to do to become a CSA member? Are they choosy? Is it  painful?  L The benefits would certainly appear to out weigh the costs. Can anyone shareJ their experiences? (off-line would be better) Are the discounts offered byK Compaq discretionary? Are some developers more equal than others? Who is in  charge of the annointing?   J How big do you have to be? If a developer was looking for something like aL DS10 with some sort of NASxxx and a COBOL license would he have recouped his membership immediately?    Regards Richard Maher.  L PS. Will the SYS$LICENSE* calls and VMSINSTAL callbacks now make it into theL mainline documentation. Can we have the Developer's Guide to VMSINSTAL taken out of mothballs now please.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:38:22 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> & Subject: Re: Compaq Solutions Alliance) Message-ID: <3C835CAD.9501CAE2@gtech.com>    Richard Maher wrote:I > What does one have to do to become a CSA member? Are they choosy? Is it 
 > painful? > N > The benefits would certainly appear to out weigh the costs. Can anyone shareL > their experiences? (off-line would be better) Are the discounts offered byM > Compaq discretionary? Are some developers more equal than others? Who is in  > charge of the annointing?  > L > How big do you have to be? If a developer was looking for something like aN > DS10 with some sort of NASxxx and a COBOL license would he have recouped his > membership immediately?   H I think this is of general interest, so please post or let Rickard  post a summary !    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 07:23:15 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Compaq Solutions Alliance3 Message-ID: <UxvrAPJvZkD6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <a5qj5d$p80$1@knossos.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> writes:  N > PS. Will the SYS$LICENSE* calls and VMSINSTAL callbacks now make it into theN > mainline documentation. Can we have the Developer's Guide to VMSINSTAL taken > out of mothballs now please.  @ My assumption is that the reason for releasing the LMF interface? information through CSA is that general release of that data is B not intended.  Certainly CSA are not responsible for the technical> details behind LMF, so their only function must be to validate? that the request comes from a valid developer.  Note that there > is at least one case of a developer being granted admission toA the CSA (or predecessor) program based entirely on their creation 7 of Freeware programs (which was admittedly voluminous).   < VMSINSTAL is an entirely different matter, and is deprecated@ in favor of PCSI.  I don't see any likelihood of _more_ emphasis< to VMSINSTAL documentation since it is not the preferred way of installing software.   > By "VMSINSTAL callbacks" I presume you mean those specifically> related to licenses.  Note that PCSI has no such capabilities.< There are good reasons for that.  It is possible to use PCSI; or VMSINSTAL to install software on alternate system disks, > where there would certainly not be a license currently loaded.  ? VMSINSTAL callbacks related to licensing are really only of use B in preventing an IVP from being run.  If you insist on using them:  > 	1. Pull apart any kits on the Software Library that use them.  1 	2. Don't expect me to recommend your product :-)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:31:20 -0800, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: Compaq Solutions Alliance4 Message-ID: <a600fp$aivog$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:UxvrAPJvZkD6@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > A > VMSINSTAL callbacks related to licensing are really only of use D > in preventing an IVP from being run.  If you insist on using them: > ? > 1. Pull apart any kits on the Software Library that use them.  > 2 > 2. Don't expect me to recommend your product :-)  I OR, just define a logical name in the lmf$license_table for that product.  Any value willH do, I think you can figure out what the name should be by looking at the existingK values.  This allows vmsinstal to complete (but not the IVP).  You will not  be able C to use the product of course until you have loaded a valid license.    Jim    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 07:59:57 -0800 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) & Subject: Re: Compaq Solutions Alliance= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0203040759.43ad7e1f@posting.google.com>   e "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> wrote in message news:<a5qj5d$p80$1@knossos.btinternet.com>... I > What does one have to do to become a CSA member? Are they choosy? Is it 
 > painful?  F See http://csa.compaq.com/ for all the details.  Basically, it's aimedE at ISVs (Independent Software Vendors), VARs (Value-added Resellers), 7 System Integrators, Service Providers, and Consultants.   = I was a member of Digital's ASAP (Association of Software and D Application Partners) program for a couple of years, and was pleased? with the benefits, but they didn't seem to know what to do with > someone like a consultant who didn't resell hardware or sell aD software product.  It was much easier for me after ASAP transitionedE into CSA, which specifically welcomes consultants -- I didn't have to F make excuses anymore about not yet having a software product to sell. D CSA seems to realize that consultants recommend Compaq products, andC there's even a program (Compaq Agent) that, with the customer's OK, B allows you to get a small commission from Compaq on sales that you. influence (even though you aren't a reseller).  D In one of their recent newsletters, they noted membership in CSA was up by 30% this year.  N > The benefits would certainly appear to out weigh the costs. Can anyone shareL > their experiences? (off-line would be better) Are the discounts offered byM > Compaq discretionary? Are some developers more equal than others? Who is in  > charge of the annointing?   F Membership is $600 per year, and it has definitely paid for itself forE me.  I purchased a VMS Source Listings license at 50% off (that saved A about 2 years' membership fee), and a couple of VMS base licenses @ (also at 50% off) for a couple of Alpha workstations I bought atF onsale.com.  As I recall, Alpha stuff had discounts of 50%, or 40% forC the newest hardware; PC stuff had much slimmer discounts due to the 9 slimmer margins.  The same discounts applied to everyone.    > How big do you have to be?  B I was just a single-person company.  It's hard to get smaller than that.   1 > If a developer was looking for something like a N > DS10 with some sort of NASxxx and a COBOL license would he have recouped his > membership immediately?   F Yes, the discount on the software alone would likely more than pay forD the membership.  The discount on the DS10 could make a new system as@ cheap as a used or refurbished one.  You do have to keep it (not? resell it) for at least six months, as I recall, (or 1 year for @ GS-series -- as if I could afford one of those) but that's not a problem.? --------------------------------------------------------------- ? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on: > Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:48:21 -0500  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: DCL delete question4 Message-ID: <C2256B72.006183F9.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  M Is this expected/documented behavior (The other assumption would be version 3  deleted, leaving4 version 2 to match and delete on the first command)? DIRECTORY DISK$DRA3:[NORM]  K FOO.FOO;3                  4/6        4-MAR-2002 11:17:31.56  (RWED,RWED,,) K FOO.FOO;2                190/192      4-MAR-2002 11:15:41.43  (RWED,RWED,,)   ! Total of 2 files, 194/198 blocks.  $ dele/log foo.foo;,foo.foo;> %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DISK$DRA3:[NORM]FOO.FOO;3 deleted (6 blocks) $ dele/log foo.foo;,foo.foo;@ %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DISK$DRA3:[NORM]FOO.FOO;2 deleted (192 blocks)      ) Treahy@mmaz.com on 03/04/2002 11:59:17 AMA  ! Please respond to Treahy@mmaz.coma   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.coma/ cc:    (bcc: Norm Raphael/WOR/Automation/METSO)S6 Subject:  Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics!         Bob Ceculski wrote:e    >isn't this ad 5 years too soon? >s* >http://www.theinquirer.net/mm25020202.htm >t >Compaq TV ad to push Itanic >n$ >But they're Alphas in Pittsburgh...' >By Mike Magee, 03/03/2002 01:20:54 BSTr >(  C Compaq seem to like doing these sorts of things.  The recent InformtD (Spring 2002) that came out spoke of how "Compaq invented clusteringG concept 22 years ago with OpenVMS clusters."  Humm, does that mean whenPF I purchased my home I invented garages?  They may own the rights to itH but it seems a bit disingenuous to take credit for the creation of it...   BarryS   >cG >THE WORD ON THE advertising street is that Compaq is preparing a TV ad 8 >that will have Alpha aficionados fainting in disbelief.D >According to sources so close to Compaq that they're not allowed to? >view the INQUIRER on their PCs, the ad features the Pittsburghp >Supercomputing facility.e >dG >This facility, of course, demonstrates the fearsome power of the Alphao >in its high end incarnation.  >gF >But, we understand, shots of the Pittsburgh site are interleaved withD >pictures of an unlidded Compaq Itanium, which of course is shipping) >now after that horrible SNAFU last year.n > F >The director of the center - which uses Alpha technology - is made toG >say something along the lines that the incredible computation power ofrB >his installation proves the superiority of the Itanium processor. >d< >Which of course it doesn't. And won't for a fair old while. >n> >Meanwhile, intrepid girl reporter Eva Glass tells us that theC >marketing department(s) at Q are very much afraid that if the HP-Q3? >takeover goes ahead on April Fool's day, most will go, go, go.r >cD >That, she understands, means that little in the way of marketing isF >going on, the CVs/resumes are flying like confetti, while "cover your >ass" is the order of the day. > F >But is having the words Compaq Marketing Specialist on your CV a good9 >recommendation for a future job, Eva mischievously asks.  >: >X   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOe  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028b   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 19:03:20 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  Subject: Re: DCL delete question; Message-ID: <01KEZ1V3DU368ZM0W4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-   > $ dele/log foo.foo;,foo.foo;  # I'm pretty sure this gets parsed tom      $ DELETE FOO.FOO;3,FOO.FOO;3m   which is consistent with:y  @ > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DISK$DRA3:[NORM]FOO.FOO;3 deleted (6 blocks) > $ dele/log foo.foo;,foo.foo;B > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DISK$DRA3:[NORM]FOO.FOO;2 deleted (192 blocks)  & so it seems the behaviour is expected.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 07:44:34 -0500 5 From: "Michael L. Umbricht" <mikeu@starfish.osfn.org>(, Subject: Re: DEC Professional 300 series FAQ0 Message-ID: <3C836C32.3285F69@starfish.osfn.org>  > I am taking on the editing and maintaining of the DEC Pro FAQ.H (I contacted Chaim R. Dworkin, the originator of the FAQ, and he doesn't mind)C  G I have started by creating a Part IV to extend the original 3 part faq,sB and will go back to edit the first 3 parts later.  The new Q&A areA included below.  The most recent version of the new faq (and someA( additional information) may be found at:  2 http://starfish.rcsri.org/rcs/pdp-11/Professional/  D There is also an archived copy of the 1994 version of the FAQ there.  F Please feel free to send comments, contributions and suggestions to me at mikeu@starfish.rcsri.org4   Followup-To: comp.sys.dec.microc   -mikeu   Retro-Computing Society of RIi http://www.osfn.org/rcs/      6                       ================================2                          DEC Professional Computer3                          Frequently Asked Questionsi2                           and Miscellaneous Trivia6                       ================================G     Currently maintained by: Michael Umbricht  mikeu@starfish.rcsri.org 2  Originally compiled and edited by: Chaim Dworkin  chaim@linc.cis.upenn.eduN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------E  Vol. 4 No. 1 Part IV    Size:113 lines; 4623 bytes            2 Mar,n 2002N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------5                      This is Part 4 of a 4 part post.6  F This "FAQ and other miscellaneous trivia" is compiled from discussionsE which took place on comp.sys.dec.micro over the past years.  WheneveriC possible names and addresses of contributing individuals are placed- after-C each answer.  Additions, corrections, and constructive comments aree	 welcomed.n  C This FAQ was originated, compiled and edited by Chaim Dworkin.  The @ original version of this FAQ (dated 5 May, 1994) is archived at:  ?       http://starfish.rcsri.org/rcs/pdp-11/Professional/faq/olde  F This file is an addendum to the above mentioned three part FAQ.  It isH currently maintained by Michael Umbricht <mikeu@starfish.rcsri.org>  The! most recent version may found at:n  <       http://starfish.rcsri.org/rcs/pdp-11/Professional/faq/  & Summary of questions in this Addendum:  C Q44.  Why do SHOW MEMORY and Configuration Display sometimes reporti!       different sizes for memory?u% Q45.  What is the CP/M Option Module?- Q46.  What is the ID number? Q47.  What is the CTI bus?  3                          **************************C  B Q44. Why do SHOW MEMORY and Configuration Display sometimes report different sizes for memory?w  > For example: the PRO/Tool Kit command SHOW MEMORY reports 320kB (words) yet the Maintenance Services Configuration Display reports& 512 kilobytes of memory (system total)  @ The difference between the two is due to the presence of a DECNAA card which has 128Kbytes of RAM.  This memory is not just used asc@ buffer space for Ethernet packets; the memory is dual-ported and8 can be accessed by the CPU and other devices on the bus.  @ Maintenance Services does not appear to "count" this memory, but it is seen and used by P/OS.  3                          **************************a  $ Q45. What is the CP/M Option Module?  = The CP/M Option consists of hardware and software: a CTI cardh@ (000043) which contains a Z80-A microprocessor, 64Kbytes of RAM,? 4Kbytes of ROM and CP/M-80 which runs on top of P/OS.  P/OS canh? continue to multitask in the background while CP/M is running. yA CP/M-format diskettes (96 tpi) can be read or written in the RX50o> drive, 48tpi diskette can be read only, and up to four virtualC diskettes can be accessed on the hard disk.  A CP/M application canfB also read P/OS sequential files allowing data exchange between the@ two.  CP/M does not have access to the Pro's hardware registers,= so applications (such as graphics) that have been written forg? specific I/O devices will not work.  Applications that use CP/MlC services for I/O will run without modification.  The DEC order code  is PC3XS-AAs   There are three diskettes:  / BL-V447B-BH    Pro CP/M-80 APP DSKT V1.1 (1983)G  - BL-AH67A-BH    PRO-CP/M-80 APPLICATION (1983)a#                DISKETTE SYSTEM V1.1H  - BL-V448B-BH    PRO-CP/M-80 APPLICATION (1983)o-                DISKETTE HARD DISK SYSTEM V1.1s  3                          **************************o   Q46. What is the ID number?i  @ Each Pro has a 47-bit Identification number stored in ROM.  This@ is not the same as the serial number printed on the case label. ? Some software (for instance VENIX) is keyed to this number.  To = view the ID use Maintenance Services and choose Configurationc Display.  The top line shows:r  # Identification number: ############A  3                          **************************a   Q47. What is the CTI bus?+  < The Pro system bus is called the CTI, or Computing Terminals9 Interconnect bus.  It has 22-bit addressing (4Mbytes) andsB multiplexes addresses and data, combining 16-bit data signals withB the 22-bit address signals on 22 signal lines.  In most cases, theB bus will allow option modules to be placed in any available option= slot.  Each option module can generate two different hardware C interrupt signals.  The option modules feature zero-insertion force A connectors.  When an option is in place, an option-present signal?B is asserted.  Each option contains onboard ROM with identification information.  3                          **************************p   End of File    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:59:13 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>; Subject: DR and PAKs (was: RE: I: PAKGEN Software for ISVs)k- Message-ID: <0033000055083638000002L082*@MHS>-  6 =0AThe last time I had to worry about such things, our; disaster recovery plan required that three-way arrangementsc+ be established, tested and in place between 3 d|i|g|i|t|a|l, the DR vendor (SUNGARD) and the main 6 application vendor (National Computer Systems) for the< immediate issuance of any temporary VMS or MV/X or GT.M PAKs. that might have been needed in a DR situation.  @ It wasn't a big deal then, but it *was* in a previous millenium.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET % Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:47 PMoB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET( Subject: RE: I: PAKGEN Software for ISVs     Wayne Sewell wrote:  >e= > In article <3C7EE086.5D339CF8@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" 7 <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > > Wayne Sewell wrote:R > >>@ > >> In article <3C7DA1D7.B9A63756@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"& <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > >> >H > >> > I've worked in shops where non-LMF software (other license metho= ds) were > >> > verboten. > >> > > >>+ > >> Really?  What's the reasoning on that?1 > >s > > Say, "Disaster Recovery".h > >m >rH > I'm not sure I follow.  Since this isn't the billyworld, you typicall= y don'tkH > have to reinstall everything from scratch during disaster recovery.  = If youH > restore all the disks from backups, you get back to pretty much where=	  you weresH > before the crisis began, including all the license keys.  In the case=  of sp32H > products, all the keys reside in product directories, so when you res= tore theH > disk containing the product, the key comes along for the ride.  The p= roduct= > is ready to start immediately once the restore is complete.n >aH > Again, the licensing schemes which depend on hardware might have a pr= oblem,H due > to board swaps and such, but the ones that don't will work just f=	 ine after)H the > restore.  If you don't have to *do* anything, I don't see how rec= overy is any > different from LMF.o  C Well, that's just it - anything that is in any way connected to theeH physical hardware (MAC address, CPU serial number, etc.) will typically=   break in a DR scenario.y  ? Even some based on license units can be a problem if you "home"h; system(s) is(are) "smaller" than the one(s) at the DR site.r  F Sometimes, it's just a management issue. Some sites want all licensing3 managed through central facility, for many reasons.M   -- David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:  http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/=   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 04:26:07 -0800t5 From: pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk (pat saunders)- Subject: Re: DTE Unsynchronised2= Message-ID: <bc0e3bd8.0203040426.5dab3bd6@posting.google.com>>  Y "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote in message news:<3C8025BE.1000204@iee.org>...> > pat saunders wrote:K >  > > Hi,C* > >   I am using DECNET/OSI on a MicroVax,( > >   I am using a LAPB circuit on DTE-0H > >   When I look at state of DTE , I find it is "Unsynchronised" , What5 > > is the cause of this message and how do I fix it,  >  > 2 > Your end and the other end (if there is one ...)2 > disagree about *something*. Or the hardware link > has failed somehow.t >  > > > > >    I find that the LAPB link goes up and down like a yo-yo > >    : >  > hi, 9   I have noticed that I am not receiving an ack on DTE-0.e?   Could you please give an overview on how to trace LAPB. DTE-1hF creates a LAPB link using the same profile and settings and that works@ fine so am going to get the customer to use a protocol analyser. ta pat   F > > Event: Link Setup Failed from: Node LOCAL:.KEWG99 LAPB Link DTE-0, >  > [snip] > F > > Event: Link Initialising from: Node LOCAL:.KEWG99 LAPB Link DTE-0, >  >  > * > Rather than going up and doing, it looks1 > to me like it's staying pretty consistely down!s7 > LAPB is starting to initialise but it never succeeds.o >  > Has it *ever* worked?o > % > If not, you have to verify that youm& > have set it up properly and that the( > hardware is working all the way to the% > other end (i.e. as far as the telco)' > or your next modem and its associated, > network box).  > / > If the hardware is working, try tracing LAPB.S3 > If you see *any* received data, then it is likelyp1 > that you have working hardware but the two endst. > disagree about something (e.g. you are using! > the wrong profile or whatever).s >  > - > You can look at the modem connect layer tooe, > just to be sure that it is up and running. > 1 > What hardware do you have? Some of the adaptersa > need to have firmware loaded.t > + > If it used to work and now does not, look , > for a config change or a hardware failure. > 	 > Antonioa   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 06:30:51 -0800K5 From: pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk (pat saunders)  Subject: Re: DTE Unsynchronisedh< Message-ID: <bc0e3bd8.0203040630.76e1679@posting.google.com>  Y "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote in message news:<3C8025BE.1000204@iee.org>...y > pat saunders wrote:e >  > > Hi,n* > >   I am using DECNET/OSI on a MicroVax,( > >   I am using a LAPB circuit on DTE-0H > >   When I look at state of DTE , I find it is "Unsynchronised" , What5 > > is the cause of this message and how do I fix it,  >  > 2 > Your end and the other end (if there is one ...)2 > disagree about *something*. Or the hardware link > has failed somehow.  >  > > > > >    I find that the LAPB link goes up and down like a yo-yo > >    : >  >      Hi, # I ran the following trace command : 0 trace start/live "lapb link dte-0"/protocol=lapb and I got no receive packets ." I enclose a sample of the output :O ----------+----+-----+<--------Frame-------->+---------------------------------i3     Time   |Evnt|Data |Ad P Type    N     N   |Datam/ hh mm ss cc|    |Size |   F        R/S   R/S  | P -----------+----+-----+<--------------------->+---------------------------------/ 15:23:18.04|0020|    0| Ack Timer Expired     | / 15:23:18.04|  Tx|    2| C P DISC              |t/ 15:23:20.04|0024|    0| Line Flush Issued     | / 15:23:20.04|0020|    0| Ack Timer Expired     |a/ 15:23:20.04|  Tx|    2| C P DISC              |d/ 15:23:22.04|0024|    0| Line Flush Issued     |r/ 15:23:22.04|0020|    0| Ack Timer Expired     | / 15:23:22.04|  Tx|    2| C P DISC              | / 15:23:24.04|0024|    0| Line Flush Issued     |-/ 15:23:24.04|0020|    0| Ack Timer Expired     | / 15:23:24.04|  Tx|    2| C P DISC              |t/ 15:23:26.04|0024|    0| Line Flush Issued     |c/ 15:23:26.04|0020|    0| Ack Timer Expired     |-/ 15:23:26.04|  Tx|    2| C P DISC              |r/ 15:23:28.04|0024|    0| Line Flush Issued     |t/ 15:23:28.04|0020|    0| Ack Timer Expired     |h/ 15:23:28.04|  Tx|    2| C P DISC              |aF > > Event: Link Setup Failed from: Node LOCAL:.KEWG99 LAPB Link DTE-0, >>5 >> I also tried it  on DTE-1 and got Receive Packets.I1 Does this confirm that it is a physical problem??  ta pat-     >  > [snip] > F > > Event: Link Initialising from: Node LOCAL:.KEWG99 LAPB Link DTE-0, >  >  > * > Rather than going up and doing, it looks1 > to me like it's staying pretty consistely down!K7 > LAPB is starting to initialise but it never succeeds.f >  > Has it *ever* worked?L > % > If not, you have to verify that youo& > have set it up properly and that the( > hardware is working all the way to the% > other end (i.e. as far as the telcoo' > or your next modem and its associatedi > network box).c > / > If the hardware is working, try tracing LAPB. 3 > If you see *any* received data, then it is likelyo1 > that you have working hardware but the two endsh. > disagree about something (e.g. you are using! > the wrong profile or whatever).  >  > - > You can look at the modem connect layer too , > just to be sure that it is up and running. > 1 > What hardware do you have? Some of the adapterso > need to have firmware loaded.  > + > If it used to work and now does not, lookt, > for a config change or a hardware failure. > 	 > Antonio    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:53:21 +0800% From: "china-lutong" <c8h@cmmail.com>c, Subject: Head & Rotor VE(CHINA-LuTong) 03/039 Message-ID: <iss.21a7.3c8335c5.69483.1@mx2.west.saic.com>a   Dear Sir,   8    My name is ChenHua, and I'm writing on behalf of the ; China-Lutong mechanical company. Located in the south east a6 of China, we specialize in hydraulic heads for the VE  distributor pump.   8    We can supply standard, good quality units at a very 6 competitive price. The following types are available: 7 Engine model VE PUMS code   NO     UNIT PRICE(EX WORKS)e2 ISUZU)   NP-VE4/11L    096400-1600          $USD40/                                  (NIPPON DENSO)r2 ISUZU    NP-VE4/11R    146402-0820(zexel)   $USD452 ISUZU    NP-VE4/11L    146402-0920(zexel)   $USD402 ISUZU    NP-VE4/11L    146402-3820(zexel)   $USD452 NISSAN   NP-VE4/12R    146402-4320(zexel)   $USD502 IVECO    NP-VE4/11R    1 468 334 798(BOSCH) $USD452 CUMMINS  NP-VE6/12R    1 468 336 423(BOSCH) $USD50  8  In addition,the following models have been produced by $ us,but there is no stock at present. 096400-1240               (NIPPON DENSO)i 1 468 333 320(BOSCH) 1 468 333 323(BOSCH) 2 468 334 021(BOSCH) 2 468 334 050(BOSCH) 1 468 334 313(BOSCH) 1 468 334 565(BOSCH) s 1 468 334 580(BOSCH) n 1 468 334 590(BOSCH) 1 468 334 596(BOSCH) 1 468 334 603(BOSCH) i 1 468 334 604(BOSCH) 1 468 334 666(BOSCH) 1 468 334 675(BOSCH) 1 468 334 837(BOSCH) 1 468 334 874(BOSCH) v 1 468 334 899(BOSCH) 2 468 335 022(BOSCH) 1 468 336 371(BOSCH) 1 468 336 418(BOSCH) 1 468 336 528(BOSCH) y 1 468 336 464(BOSCH) 1 468 336 480(BOSCH) 2 468 336 013(BOSCH) - 1 468 336 614(BOSCH) a 146400-8821(zexel) 146402-4020(zexel)   VE distributor head: 3-cyl:USD:45/1pcsu 4-cyl:USD:45/1pcs  5-cyl:USD:50/1pcsl 6-cyl:USD:50/1pcsg   Minimum order is 48pcs a model.    9   We also can make to order for other models as required.r  =    We use precision forging technology to create our productsm? and surface treat them using an imported shot-blasting machine.N= The constant grinding process guarantees identical clearance ; in each plunger. L   >    Because we have been in the field of diesel fuel injection ; systems for quite a few years, we are acquainted with many a? domestic manufacturers of, and sales agents for, parts such as  6 injector nozzles, plungers, delivery valves and so on.  0A   If you are interested in our products, please contact me. Thank % you for your interest in our company.g      )                                     C.Huai Sales & purchasing director    HTTP://WWW.China-LuTong.COMe c.h@china-lutong.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:53:31 +0800% From: "china-lutong" <c8h@cmmail.com> , Subject: Head & Rotor VE(CHINA-LuTong) 03/03" Message-ID: <5048507@MVB.SAIC.COM>   Dear Sir,  e8    My name is ChenHua, and I'm writing on behalf of the ; China-Lutong mechanical company. Located in the south east o6 of China, we specialize in hydraulic heads for the VE  distributor pump.   8    We can supply standard, good quality units at a very 6 competitive price. The following types are available: 7 Engine model VE PUMS code   NO     UNIT PRICE(EX WORKS) 2 ISUZU)   NP-VE4/11L    096400-1600          $USD40/                                  (NIPPON DENSO) 2 ISUZU    NP-VE4/11R    146402-0820(zexel)   $USD452 ISUZU    NP-VE4/11L    146402-0920(zexel)   $USD402 ISUZU    NP-VE4/11L    146402-3820(zexel)   $USD452 NISSAN   NP-VE4/12R    146402-4320(zexel)   $USD502 IVECO    NP-VE4/11R    1 468 334 798(BOSCH) $USD452 CUMMINS  NP-VE6/12R    1 468 336 423(BOSCH) $USD50  8  In addition,the following models have been produced by $ us,but there is no stock at present. 096400-1240               (NIPPON DENSO)n 1 468 333 320(BOSCH) 1 468 333 323(BOSCH) 2 468 334 021(BOSCH) 2 468 334 050(BOSCH) 1 468 334 313(BOSCH) 1 468 334 565(BOSCH) r 1 468 334 580(BOSCH) n 1 468 334 590(BOSCH) 1 468 334 596(BOSCH) 1 468 334 603(BOSCH) o 1 468 334 604(BOSCH) 1 468 334 666(BOSCH) 1 468 334 675(BOSCH) 1 468 334 837(BOSCH) 1 468 334 874(BOSCH) d 1 468 334 899(BOSCH) 2 468 335 022(BOSCH) 1 468 336 371(BOSCH) 1 468 336 418(BOSCH) 1 468 336 528(BOSCH)   1 468 336 464(BOSCH) 1 468 336 480(BOSCH) 2 468 336 013(BOSCH) h 1 468 336 614(BOSCH)   146400-8821(zexel) 146402-4020(zexel)   VE distributor head: 3-cyl:USD:45/1pcs/ 4-cyl:USD:45/1pcs/ 5-cyl:USD:50/1pcsl 6-cyl:USD:50/1pcs    Minimum order is 48pcs a model.    9   We also can make to order for other models as required.i  =    We use precision forging technology to create our productst? and surface treat them using an imported shot-blasting machine.f= The constant grinding process guarantees identical clearance n in each plunger. s   >    Because we have been in the field of diesel fuel injection ; systems for quite a few years, we are acquainted with many  ? domestic manufacturers of, and sales agents for, parts such as *6 injector nozzles, plungers, delivery valves and so on.  pA   If you are interested in our products, please contact me. Thankt% you for your interest in our company.o      )                                     C.Huan Sales & purchasing director1   HTTP://WWW.China-LuTong.COMo c.h@china-lutong.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 02:20:07 -080087 From: uwe.leinberger@t-systems.com (Dr. Uwe Leinberger)s- Subject: Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug!o< Message-ID: <b6b2072c.0203040220.ea54331@posting.google.com>  	 Hmmm.....e    A ....the "bug" I am fighting at the moment on my DS10 is licensinga TCPIP.  E With the hobyist license I got a UCX-License in the layered products,WC but TCPIP (i.e. UCX5.x) does not seem to honor the UCS-license....?e  F I can't find a TCPIP-License anywhere, but maybe I'm just lost and hav to use another one.K   Cheers Uwed  = PS: Have been off the group for a few years. Just used my oldt VAXstation for myn? private stuff at home all the time (do hate to boot every year) 6 and now feel how rusted I got with installing VMS ;-))   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 12:30:13 +0100e* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug!e* Message-ID: <3c835ac5$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  v In article <b6b2072c.0203040220.ea54331@posting.google.com>, uwe.leinberger@t-systems.com (Dr. Uwe Leinberger) writes:C >.....the "bug" I am fighting at the moment on my DS10 is licensing  >TCPIP.o >iF >With the hobyist license I got a UCX-License in the layered products,D >but TCPIP (i.e. UCX5.x) does not seem to honor the UCS-license....? >OG >I can't find a TCPIP-License anywhere, but maybe I'm just lost and havV >to use another one.  N I never had any problems with TCPIP and my UCX (and NET-APP-SUP-xx0) licenses.C Better check again (as there are no licenses named TCPIP so far)...b   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111 2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111 888l< KAPSCH AG      Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 06:52:58 -0800#7 From: uwe.leinberger@t-systems.com (Dr. Uwe Leinberger)a- Subject: Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug!m= Message-ID: <b6b2072c.0203040652.6cd2a12f@posting.google.com>s  \ eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<3c835ac5$1@news.kapsch.co.at>...  P > I never had any problems with TCPIP and my UCX (and NET-APP-SUP-xx0) licenses.E > Better check again (as there are no licenses named TCPIP so far)...t  
 Thanks a lot!d  C However, in the layered products hoby license file I find a licensenC named UCX, but nothing containing any of the strings net sup or apps8 besides DVNETxxx and DCE-APP-DEV. So I'm still lost.....  
 Thanks anywayb   UweM   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 06:43:48 -0600*B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux3 Message-ID: <DxIjIrkjOyrE@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  \ In article <3C7FE8C0.4347CE3D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > J > No offense meant to Linux itself, but Linux is a fad right now. So it isL > normal that anyone and everyone wants to claim to sell Linux, just in case > Linux does catch on. >   B At one time, x86 PC's running Windows were considered to be a fad.  M I wonder if the HP people setting future policy are aware of this and believeDK that Linux may be the same. If that is the case, then they may believe thatuJ strange [from the viewpoint of HP!] operating systems may not be required.   Simon.  K PS: When setting future HP policy, it doesn't matter what others may or may;J not think is likely to happen in the marketplace. It only matters what the% _policy setter_ believes will happen.t   -- CB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 06:54:49 -0600yB From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux3 Message-ID: <CU9RFrxkotXl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <3C7FE809.8E71E908@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > Simon Clubley wrote: >> ed >> In article <J9Uv6b4tuD8K@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: >> >, >> > In fact, IBM last week said that it hasQ >> > already recouped most of its $1 billion investment in Linux through sales of2% >> > hardware, software and services.o >> > >> o+ >> That statement prompts two observations:a >>  L >> 1) Linux is (or can be) a _profitable_, and hence viable, operation for aK >> company. That must be making Bill Gates more worried than he already is.s >  > 6 > Somehow, I do not think $52B BG is all that worried. >   K That is true today. However, I see no evidence that Linux use is slackening G off, and I wonder what the situation is likely to be in 2-3 years time.r  I I am also aware that more and more people are coming out of (for example)nH university with Linux knowledge; the implications of that are obvious toB everyone here, but it's a lesson that CPQ seems to have forgetten.  F I also wonder just how long Microsoft can continue it's current growth levels.    Simon.   -- tB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 16:12:18 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>A? Subject: Intel antes up $1B on success of Itanium line of chips 0 Message-ID: <C1Ng8.2115$LEs.1806@news2.bloor.is>  C Okay, the source for this story is USA Today...not exactly the most-. reputable source...but for what it's worth....  H ''Intel and H-P are holding a party, and nobody's coming,'' says analyst$ Peter Kastner of the Aberdeen Group.  I Another issue Intel faces: Itanium's top boosters are Hewlett-Packard and J Compaq Computer. If their proposed merger goes through, their server linesL will likely be consolidated -- meaning fewer computers to run Itanium chips.        L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&u=/usatoday/20020301/tc_ usatoday/3906170   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:57:13 -05002 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>  Subject: ISV webcast invitations1 Message-ID: <XxOg8.497$fL6.8097@news.cpqcorp.net>t  I Important information for ISV's regarding future AlphaServers and Itaniumr Processor family based servers!l  J If you are responsible for making decisions regarding platform support forJ your company's software product offering, this invitation is for you! ThisC interactive webcast will provide the first public discussion of the K architecture for the next generation AlphaServer, code named MARVEL. Please I join us Thursday March 14, 11amEST when Doug Williams, Technical Director K for platform strategy, Compaq's High Performance Systems will share valubleeK information on the future of enterprise class servers for UNIX and OpenVMS.mF You may register for this webcast by clicking on the attached link and registering online today.e    L http://compaqnonstop.rs88.net/servlet/website/ResponseForm?JjVEbz2kLnplmkHmp hg_TW_UX   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:41:38 -08001 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>a$ Subject: RE: ISV webcast invitationsO Message-ID: <025766C9BBC5D511A4ED00B0D0F08C231632D0@ny_exchange1.maintech1.com>    Sue,  H When I try to use this URL using Netscape 4.7, I get a blank page.  Just thought I'd let you know.    Mike Farrell mfarrell@voltdelta.com   > -----Original Message-----7 > From:	Sue Skonetski [SMTP:susan.skonetski@compaq.com]o' > Sent:	Monday, March 04, 2002 12:57 PM  > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-" > Subject:	ISV webcast invitations > K > Important information for ISV's regarding future AlphaServers and Itanium:! > Processor family based servers!b > L > If you are responsible for making decisions regarding platform support forL > your company's software product offering, this invitation is for you! ThisE > interactive webcast will provide the first public discussion of the F > architecture for the next generation AlphaServer, code named MARVEL. > PleaseK > join us Thursday March 14, 11amEST when Doug Williams, Technical DirectortE > for platform strategy, Compaq's High Performance Systems will sharer	 > valubleoD > information on the future of enterprise class servers for UNIX and
 > OpenVMS.H > You may register for this webcast by clicking on the attached link and > registering online today.o >  > L > http://compaqnonstop.rs88.net/servlet/website/ResponseForm?JjVEbz2kLnplmkH > mphg_TW_UX >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 12:53:05 -0600-- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e$ Subject: Re: ISV webcast invitations3 Message-ID: <$BVeEEgJtfSq@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  f In article <XxOg8.497$fL6.8097@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:  N > http://compaqnonstop.rs88.net/servlet/website/ResponseForm?JjVEbz2kLnplmkHmp
 > hg_TW_UX  J I get a blank page from Netscape Communicator 4.75-20000815 for Macintosh.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 16:24:22 +0100 * From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles / Message-ID: <3C8391A6.5070907@brussels.sgi.com>   
 cjt wrote:J >>In my experience -- none. The weaknesses of Sun solutions aren't exactly+ >>where you are trying to place them, IMHO.2 >> > 
 > Do tell! > K No. These are not mudslinging newsgroups, after all, but one concerned with:B computer architectures - so I only responded because I think your # perception of SGI to be inaccurate.|     -- 0? <these messages express my own views, not those of my employer> ) Alexis Cousein				Senior Systems Engineero. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 15:32:51 GMTr( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) Subject: Re: Itanium troublesv0 Message-ID: <a60433$m2k$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  / In article <3C8391A6.5070907@brussels.sgi.com>,a, Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> writes:
 |> cjt wrote:lM |> >>In my experience -- none. The weaknesses of Sun solutions aren't exactlyt. |> >>where you are trying to place them, IMHO. |> >  
 |> > Do tell!t |> > pN |> No. These are not mudslinging newsgroups, after all, but one concerned withE |> computer architectures - so I only responded because I think your w& |> perception of SGI to be inaccurate.  C Not his - George White's.  Also, the latter's perception of Sun wasl mistaken, too.  ? As I am not an employee of either vendor, I shall answer with aiF technical response.  One example is memory and interconnect bandwidth.6 Sun's is better than it was, but still not impressive.     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679a   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:52:41 GMTM# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>l: Subject: Re: Let me know any References for Stock Exchange0 Message-ID: <J_Kg8.2039$LEs.1556@news2.bloor.is>  " Australian Stock Exchange (Sydney)  " International Stock Exchange (USA)  < for OpenVMS + RTR...don't know whether they use x.25 though.  ) Maybe DTB (used to) and Swiss as well....h    5 "Kim, In Soo" <insoo.kim@compaq.com> wrote in message 7 news:2435e043.0203031802.4d067fac@posting.google.com...v > Hello. >f/ > Now I'm looking for following reference site.U >cI > OpenVMS Cluster + RTR + DecNIS600(Decnet over X.25 or TCP/IP over X.25)  >  > Thanks for your kindness...    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:48:43 GMTD From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG02 Subject: Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies?0 Message-ID: <00A0A6D9.6F119E84@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <mmyg8.25761$ro5.10952525@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>, "Martin Doehring" <doehring@attbi.com> writes: >Try& >https://www.suppliesmax.com/index.cfm, >and enter the store, search for Digital.... >  >They seem to have oil kits1 >  >martin     Thank you, thank you, thank you!  C Theis toner cartridge prices are a bit steeper then what I remember)C buying them for from d|i|g|i|t|a|l, but as long as there appears tonC be a source for them -- and other parts -- I guess I can't complain 	 too much.0   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM7             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:40:00 GMT4 From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGr2 Subject: Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies?0 Message-ID: <00A0A6D8.373EAB19@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <3C82AF36.F749069A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:rP >> My system's fuser oil bottle is empty and I need to replacement it.  Any idea9 >> where can I get one?  ...other LNCO2 supplied as well?r >eE >Is this an HP engine printer ? If so, then you only need to find thesE >equivalent HP part number and buy it from your local computer store.t >a? >That is what I have been doing for yeras for my Declaser 5100.   D It's a Minolta/QMS engine.  In fact, a lightning strike here back inE the summer of 2000 scrambled the firmware of the printer and it wouldoF not recognize the ethernet interface.  DEC/Compaq tried soaking me forE about $1600 to repair.  Paul Anderson clued me into the fact that the.E LNCO2 was a Minolta/QMS engine and I contacted them.  It cost me onlyrF $200 to get the board repaired.  I'm not aware of Minolta/QMS printersE with have the same "guts" as the LNCO2 or I'd look in that direction   for my supplies.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.            hJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:29:50 -0500S0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>2 Subject: Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies?; Message-ID: <040320021129508730%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>1  0 In article <00A0A6D8.373EAB19@SendSpamHere.ORG>,  <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:  H > I'm not aware of Minolta/QMS printers with have the same "guts" as the6 > LNCO2 or I'd look in that direction for my supplies.  C As someone pointed out earlier, a good place to go for supplies for - Digital- and Compaq-branded laser printers isd      http://www.suppliesmax.comk  F SuppliesMAX is run by Genicom, who also produce the latest printers in the venerable LN line.  A The LNC02 has a QMS (pre-Minolta) engine and is much like the QMS C Magicolor II printer.  There's no guarantee toner for the Magicolor A will work with the LNC02, as vendors often "key" toner cartridges D differently for different brands.  (For example, a cartridge for theD Genicom LN21 does not fit into the IBM Infoprint 21, even though the engine is the same.)   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS EngineeringO   Compaq Computer Corporation6   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 16:48:32 GMT2 From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG:2 Subject: Re: LNCO2... now where do I get supplies?0 Message-ID: <00A0A6FA.EF73E74D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <040320021129508730%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes:1 >In article <00A0A6D8.373EAB19@SendSpamHere.ORG>,m! ><system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:c >eI >> I'm not aware of Minolta/QMS printers with have the same "guts" as the 7 >> LNCO2 or I'd look in that direction for my supplies.i >lD >As someone pointed out earlier, a good place to go for supplies for. >Digital- and Compaq-branded laser printers is >t >   http://www.suppliesmax.com >zG >SuppliesMAX is run by Genicom, who also produce the latest printers inn >the venerable LN line.t > B >The LNC02 has a QMS (pre-Minolta) engine and is much like the QMSD >Magicolor II printer.  There's no guarantee toner for the MagicolorB >will work with the LNC02, as vendors often "key" toner cartridgesE >differently for different brands.  (For example, a cartridge for thetE >Genicom LN21 does not fit into the IBM Infoprint 21, even though thee >engine is the same.)  >b >Paul2    C I remember our discussions about that (the keyed toner cartridges).m  D As long as there is a source for this printer's supplies, I'm happy.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs            hJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesb   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 05:48:45 -0800m+ From: pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre)t' Subject: Lock Manager, sublock questionr= Message-ID: <1c0e37b1.0203040548.1cfebbc2@posting.google.com>-   hello,  ? the question is simple: what are sublocks used for ? what's theG- advantage of using sublock instead of locks ?n   TIA, Pierre.-   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 13:15:36 GMT21 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)t9 Subject: Merger question for someone in the know (Terry?)f, Message-ID: <a5vs1o$1m4d$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  C I'm confused.  Are Compaq and HP not required by law to continue toyG compete until such time as the merger actaully occurs??  Would customeriI names and addresses not be considered important proprietary information??lH So then, how can Compaq give it's customer mailing list to HP??  I won'tD even address the idea of receiveing a letter from HP thanking me forJ business I never did with them.  After all, the address came from a Compaq list and not an HP one.   F And on another note, assuming that the merger does not go through (andK I truly believe it won't) hasn't Compaq shot itself in the foot (yet again)AH by giving this information to a competitor??  Maybe something else to be' brought up at the stockholders meeting.2   bill   -- mJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:43:51 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n= Subject: Re: Merger question for someone in the know (Terry?)l, Message-ID: <3C83C066.F388E302@videotron.ca>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:I > compete until such time as the merger actaully occurs??  Would customer K > names and addresses not be considered important proprietary information?? C > So then, how can Compaq give it's customer mailing list to HP??  0  K It is possible that Compaq would have sent the letter on behalf of HP. ThiscQ way, the customer list is not compromised and HP gets to send its message across.-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:26:43 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>* Subject: RE: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?- Message-ID: <0033000055068772000002L022*@MHS>w  @ =0AI go through the edited license load file and cut out all the( language variant PAKS that I don't need.  : (Paul Sture, In Switzerland, do you load one, two or three  language variant PAKs?)   :^)    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe$ Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:00 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET* Subject: RE: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?     2damncommon wrote:   > On 1 Mar 2002 22:54:55 -06000 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >p >e> >>In article <a5pblg02a4q@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Zane H. Healy"' <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes: >>_H >>>I just realized I needed to hurry up and get new Hobbyist PAKs for m= yr> >>>system, and discovered that there is at least two new PAKs. >>>0H >>>I gather that DFG is "Disk File Optimizer"?  However, what on earth = does >>>OPENVMS-HOBBYIST do?!?!?x >>>:H >>PAKs for OPENVMS-HOBBYIST are only provided to hobbyists.  Thus third=  F >>parties can honor that PAK rather than having to issue their own forF >>hobbyists.  Some third parties would prefer to issue their own PAKs. >> >eH > Thank you, I have been dealing with PAKs and wondering the same thing= .eH > NOTE: My VAX-VMS PAK and layered products PAKs all expire one year fr=	 om when IrH applied for them. > To Cthulhu: Perhaps a note to Montagar where you ap=	 plied forwH the PAKs would be a good start. I received a good reply within a week t= o atH question I had about qualifying for the hobbyist program. > I am about = as greenH as they come. Due to general interest in OS's I loaded Charon-Vax (an e= xcellentH emulator, easier to run than WINE, BOCHS, or VM Ware as far as I am con= cerned)eH onto my Linux system and have VMS running. > Have added users, learned = to useH HELP, mount and read my CDROM, and fooled with mail and text editors. >=  I ammH confused by the PAKs. I realize what they are, but am not really sure h= ow toeH work with them. > Since I installed VMS from my hobbyist CD I loaded th=	 e VMS-VAXP PAK.H > I just happened to notice the OPENVMS-HOBBYIST PAK so I installed it = also.u6 > Per a message from DECNET I also installed DVNETEND.    H FWIW, I simply load the lot. The email from Montagar is easily editable=  C into DCL command procedure - simply strip out the email headers and H other blurb, and you have a ready to execute command procedure. IIRC yo= ua need to insert  
 $ SET NOON  B at the top to ignore errors (e.g. trying to add a license you have already registered)r    H > From the docs I have read I understand I should load the PAK first, t= hen thewH software? > Don't really know what software, PAKs, perform what functio= ns. ThisH may clear up when I am able to open the product info on my CD. > Withou=	 t turningo. this into comp.os.vms.whining.newbie.hobbyist,    F Some products insist that you have the PAK loaded before installation,H even if only to run the IVP (Installation Verification Procedure). Some=  ( don't. It's easier to load 'em up first.  H > I am sure all us new hobbyist would appreciate any info, or links abo=	 ut how toe	 deal withr  $ > PAKS (when you are done laughing). > H I believe I can speak for the rest of the folks here when I say we are = notOH laughing, but welcome you to the world of VMS.If you ask polite and sen= sibleuH questions, you will get polite and sensible answers, from folks with a = vast amount of VMS experience.i    
 Paul Sture Switzerland=   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:16:17 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n* Subject: Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?; Message-ID: <01KEYTY3VY588ZM0W4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>M  < > (Paul Sture, In Switzerland, do you load one, two or three >  language variant PAKs?) >  > :^)n  7 Four.  About 1% of the population speak Rhaeto-Romansh.f   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:23:47 +01001 From: "Carlo Mussche" <vec.60730CM@memo.volvo.se>i Subject: size of a file 3 Message-ID: <a5vse1$1nj8@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>n   hello,  K How can we obtain the filesize (blocks) of a vms file ? We want to use this2 in a fortran program.m   Carlol   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2002 08:30:25 -0600t- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)8 Subject: Re: size of a filec3 Message-ID: <RUSfxIwnufql@eisner.encompasserve.org>N  g In article <a5vse1$1nj8@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>, "Carlo Mussche" <vec.60730CM@memo.volvo.se> writes:  > hello, > M > How can we obtain the filesize (blocks) of a vms file ? We want to use thise > in a fortran program.2  F Call SYS$DISPLAY, as described in the documentation on the CD-ROM that came with your copy of VMS.o  G     file:///VMSDOC073/v73/4523/4523pro_023.html#display_service_routineb   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 16:44:04 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>g Subject: Re: size of a file ) Message-ID: <3C839644.C01B2F81@gtech.com>e   Carlo Mussche wrote:M > How can we obtain the filesize (blocks) of a vms file ? We want to use this. > in a fortran program.r   Try see:8   http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/misc/FILE_SIZE.FOR   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:12:04 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>E Subject: RE: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Ty- Message-ID: <0033000055086339000002L092*@MHS>n   =0AHow about s/he/it?   / Say that out loud in the southern United Statesp% and folks might think you're cussin'.    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET0% Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:33 PMKB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETE Subject: RE: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Tw    ( In article <1bn0y52xdw.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu>,+ Joe Pfeiffer  <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:tE >``They'' is grammatically incorrect; I tend to use ``the <functional D >name>,'' but that gets awkward.  You're right about ``she'' (why doF >these authors think that using the female pronoun is less sexist thanE >the male?'' and of course ``s/he'' is an abomination.  ``He or she''aA >is probably most correct and gender-neutral but is also awkward.    How about s/he/it? --! Zymurgy's Law of Volunteer Labor: =      People are always available for work in the past tense.=    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 04:14:03 +0600f4 From: <Build-Muscle-Fast-------5762l77@sdilabs1.com>5 Subject: TEST, DECA, D-BOL! GET BIG, RIPPED & STRONG!i3 Message-ID: <007c72b72b0d$6276e5e3$4ea64cd4@webxlq>e  : GET BIG, RIPPED, & STRONG! REAL ANABOLIC PHARMACEUTICALS!*   - D-BOLi	 - WINNI-VE
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 RDD wrote:D > And thanks for your reply.  You're right, it is a MIPS box.  WhileG > it's maybe a bit off-topic for this NG. would you know of a place oneoH > could purchase some inexpensive hardware suitable for OpenVMS?  Just aF > small, (though hopefully somewhat usable)  machine for home/hobbyist. > usage.  All I'm finding are $10,000+ Alphas.  5 www.islandco.com has Alpha a lot cheaper than 10K$+ !a   Good company !   (just a satisfied customer)0   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 07:01:48 GMTu& From: John K <johnk50@hotmail-dot.com>G Subject: Re: Warning!  Windoze XP involved in DRDos attacks!  Avoid XP!a2 Message-ID: <Xns91C6EA27665569284HDPOET@68.6.19.6>  ? On 01 Mar 2002, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) posted this  4 news:d7791aa1.0203011122.c6317f3@posting.google.com:  ? > for all you windoze XP fans, I suggest not upgrading or usingi@ > XP until raw socket API's are removed from it or else you risk< > loosing internet access ... you as a valid client could be= > blacklisted by ISP servers and routers as w/raw sockets you ? > could become part of a targeted Distributed Reflection Denial : > of Service attack ... these are just appearing now and I= > suggest all admins read the following ... below the link ise= > an excerpt about Microsofts insanity to include these api's.
 > into XP .... >  > http://grc.com/dos/drdos.htm > ) > The attacking platform's responsibility5 > E > I imagine that anyone reading this page is already well aware of mymH > feelings regarding the deliberate and unnecessary inclusion of the rawE > socket API in a mass market consumer desktop PC. I am referring, oftG > course, to the absolute insanity of Microsoft's inclusion &#8212; andpA > subsequent defense of &#8212; the raw socket API in Windows XP.n > E > While pedantic network experts, and Microsoft themselves, correctly,H > argue that there are other ways to produce malicious Internet traffic,F > there is no easier way than through the use of raw sockets. The best= > way to earn users' trust is to deserve it. But deliberatelylG > incorporating this unnecessary facility into every Windows XP machinelG > &#8212; and essentially enabling it, by design, to become a maliciousdD > reflection attack generator &#8212; makes a mockery of Microsoft'sC > recent "Trustworthy Computing" rhetoric. We can always hope, as IpF > fervently do, that Microsoft will recognize that it is not too late,A > and will remove raw sockets from XP during one of the product's:1 > continuous flow of patches and Windows Updates.-   JK  I Yeah Steve Gibson got his feathers ruffled with this one.  He's not nuts nD although some folks might think he is.  I think his concern is that F MicroSlop has not always done their best to try and foresee potential ; mishap(s) when adding new capabilities to their products.  s  L The PNP hole in theory could have been exploited and used to launch such an 	 attack.  i  I Many of my customers are saying the product has too many features out of DK the box anyway, and they are tired of stripping the MS O/S down so that it cG is more in line with the functionality of a business tool - not a home e computing plaything.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:49:21 GMTe' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> 7 Subject: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 3000 $ Message-ID: <3c839726$1@zfree.co.nz>  @ I found an old Dig. Server 3000 and tried to boot VMS 7.3 on it.! It failed with the error message:t( Unable to load SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE" The VMS PALcode version is V1.20-3, The >>>show version command returns V5.4-113  . Is there any hope to boot, say, VMS 6.2 on it?   Hans     http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.124 ************************