1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 05 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 126       Contents: Re: A newby DCL question. 9 Re: Carl L. (was: Sun eating major helping of Linux Crow)  Change name of LSE icon ? , Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics!, Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics!, Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics! Re: DCL delete question  Re: DCL delete question  Re: DCL delete question  Re: DCL delete question  DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing  Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing % Former HP Chairman/CEO opposes merger $ Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug! Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles1 Re: Let me know any References for Stock Exchange # LIB$CVT_FROM_INTERNAL_TIME - year?? ' Re: LIB$CVT_FROM_INTERNAL_TIME - year?? " Re: Lock Manager, sublock question" Re: Lock Manager, sublock question" Re: Lock Manager, sublock question" Re: Lock Manager, sublock question0 Looking for OpenVMS Hobbyist CD v1 (OpenVMS 6.2) Memo:  Re: DTE Unsynchronised  Re: OpenVMS Marketing! YES!  Re: OpenVMS Marketing! YES!  Re: OpenVMS Marketing! YES! ! Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?  Re: SOAP on OpenVMS? Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question... * Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux Crow1 The new Portal For the  IT Professional Community 4 RE: The new Portal For the IT Professional Community Third Party Storage  Re: VAX Pascal2 Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 30002 Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 30005 Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file? 5 Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file? 5 Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:13:11 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> " Subject: Re: A newby DCL question.; Message-ID: <01KF01TJ2NF68Y8HHB@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   2 > }will preserve case (and multiple spaces), while > }  > }   A := "xxx  YYY"  > } 	 > }won't.  > @ > Actually, it will. You should have left off the quotes in this< > example (as you did in the first one above) as they defeat' > the ":" form's additional processing.   
 Of course.  H Blame cut and paste.  Back in the days when cards were punched by hand, F that wouldn't have happened (then again, a cardpunch/cardreader-based % usenet is difficult to imagine).  :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:09:16 +0200 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>B Subject: Re: Carl L. (was: Sun eating major helping of Linux Crow)+ Message-ID: <3C848B3C.781D7A23@digital.com>   ) there is a memorable response by Carl at: 8   http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm   just a brief in memoriam...    Mike   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  > 8 > I think Carl would be offended at the idea of an award> > named after him, and undoubtedly he'd flame you accordingly. > 6 > Carl was one of a kind, but by gosh he knew his VMS. > (sfb)  >  > :^)  >  > WWWebb >  > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET & > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:08 PMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET5 > Subject: RE: Sun eating major helping of Linux Crow  > > > I nominate Bill Todd to be awarded the Carl J. Lydick award. > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com C > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com ? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent > > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:53:42 +0100 From: "Yves" <Yves@nospam.vms>" Subject: Change name of LSE icon ?* Message-ID: <a6283l$1mt$1@rex.ip-plus.net>  ' I launched a few spawn/nowait/input=nl: ) lse/display=decwindow/interface=decwindow @ The title of each window is "DEC Language-Sensitive Editor: ...", and iconified the icon name is always "LSE".  G I don't remember the command I used a year ago to change the title/icon  name. ' Please help me to refresh my memory :-)    Many thanks! Yves VAXstation 4000    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:33:10 +0100$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>5 Subject: Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics! 0 Message-ID: <1j7h8.297$Nw2.2894@news.get2net.dk>  - Hmm, clustering in 1980 ?  Is that accurate ?    Dweeb 6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote in message! news:3C83A7E5.7060208@mmaz.com...  > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > " > >isn't this ad 5 years too soon? > > , > >http://www.theinquirer.net/mm25020202.htm > >  > >Compaq TV ad to push Itanic > > & > >But they're Alphas in Pittsburgh...) > >By Mike Magee, 03/03/2002 01:20:54 BST  > >  > E > Compaq seem to like doing these sorts of things.  The recent Inform F > (Spring 2002) that came out spoke of how "Compaq invented clusteringI > concept 22 years ago with OpenVMS clusters."  Humm, does that mean when H > I purchased my home I invented garages?  They may own the rights to itJ > but it seems a bit disingenuous to take credit for the creation of it... >  > Barry  >  > > I > >THE WORD ON THE advertising street is that Compaq is preparing a TV ad : > >that will have Alpha aficionados fainting in disbelief.F > >According to sources so close to Compaq that they're not allowed toA > >view the INQUIRER on their PCs, the ad features the Pittsburgh  > >Supercomputing facility.  > > I > >This facility, of course, demonstrates the fearsome power of the Alpha  > >in its high end incarnation.  > > H > >But, we understand, shots of the Pittsburgh site are interleaved withF > >pictures of an unlidded Compaq Itanium, which of course is shipping+ > >now after that horrible SNAFU last year.  > > H > >The director of the center - which uses Alpha technology - is made toI > >say something along the lines that the incredible computation power of D > >his installation proves the superiority of the Itanium processor. > > > > >Which of course it doesn't. And won't for a fair old while. > > @ > >Meanwhile, intrepid girl reporter Eva Glass tells us that theE > >marketing department(s) at Q are very much afraid that if the HP-Q A > >takeover goes ahead on April Fool's day, most will go, go, go.  > > F > >That, she understands, means that little in the way of marketing isH > >going on, the CVs/resumes are flying like confetti, while "cover your  > >ass" is the order of the day. > > H > >But is having the words Compaq Marketing Specialist on your CV a good; > >recommendation for a future job, Eva mischievously asks.  > >  > >  >  > -- > A > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO  > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2002 12:09:31 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 5 Subject: Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics! 3 Message-ID: <uTRR6yWAb$3L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <1j7h8.297$Nw2.2894@news.get2net.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> writes: / > Hmm, clustering in 1980 ?  Is that accurate ?  >    	No.  + 	According to "VAX OpenVMS at 20", page 60:    	VAX V4 September 1984 -   	o VAXclusters 	o Connection manager  	o Distributed Lock Manager $ 	o Distributed File System (F11BXQP)   	etc.    				Rob    > Dweeb 8 > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote in message# > news:3C83A7E5.7060208@mmaz.com...  >> Bob Ceculski wrote: >># >> >isn't this ad 5 years too soon?  >> >- >> >http://www.theinquirer.net/mm25020202.htm  >> > >> >Compaq TV ad to push Itanic  >> >' >> >But they're Alphas in Pittsburgh... * >> >By Mike Magee, 03/03/2002 01:20:54 BST >> > >>F >> Compaq seem to like doing these sorts of things.  The recent InformG >> (Spring 2002) that came out spoke of how "Compaq invented clustering J >> concept 22 years ago with OpenVMS clusters."  Humm, does that mean whenI >> I purchased my home I invented garages?  They may own the rights to it K >> but it seems a bit disingenuous to take credit for the creation of it...  >> >> Barry >> >> >J >> >THE WORD ON THE advertising street is that Compaq is preparing a TV ad; >> >that will have Alpha aficionados fainting in disbelief. G >> >According to sources so close to Compaq that they're not allowed to B >> >view the INQUIRER on their PCs, the ad features the Pittsburgh >> >Supercomputing facility. >> >J >> >This facility, of course, demonstrates the fearsome power of the Alpha  >> >in its high end incarnation. >> >I >> >But, we understand, shots of the Pittsburgh site are interleaved with G >> >pictures of an unlidded Compaq Itanium, which of course is shipping , >> >now after that horrible SNAFU last year. >> >I >> >The director of the center - which uses Alpha technology - is made to J >> >say something along the lines that the incredible computation power ofE >> >his installation proves the superiority of the Itanium processor.  >> >? >> >Which of course it doesn't. And won't for a fair old while.  >> >A >> >Meanwhile, intrepid girl reporter Eva Glass tells us that the F >> >marketing department(s) at Q are very much afraid that if the HP-QB >> >takeover goes ahead on April Fool's day, most will go, go, go. >> >G >> >That, she understands, means that little in the way of marketing is I >> >going on, the CVs/resumes are flying like confetti, while "cover your ! >> >ass" is the order of the day.  >> >I >> >But is having the words Compaq Marketing Specialist on your CV a good < >> >recommendation for a future job, Eva mischievously asks. >> > >> > >> >> --  >>B >> Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO >>D >> E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028 >> >> >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:48:57 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> 5 Subject: Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics! ' Message-ID: <3C851319.8010309@mmaz.com>    Rob Young wrote:  X >In article <1j7h8.297$Nw2.2894@news.get2net.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> writes: > / >>Hmm, clustering in 1980 ?  Is that accurate ?  >> >  >	No.  > , >	According to "VAX OpenVMS at 20", page 60: >  >	VAX V4 September 1984 -  >  >	o VAXclusters  >	o Connection manager >	o Distributed Lock Manager% >	o Distributed File System (F11BXQP)  >  >	etc. >  >				Rob >   G I simply quoted it from Compaq's 'Inform' Issue Number 36, Spring 2002  G on page 25.  Obviously, Compaq is not only taking credit for what they  E did not create, but now they are revising history.  No doubt this is  H unintentional mistake of some marketing pin-head that doesn't know what H it is he or she is promoting, but it does effect credibility, something & that Compaq just doesn't understand...   Barry    >  >  >>Dweeb 8 >>"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote in message# >>news:3C83A7E5.7060208@mmaz.com...  >> >>>Bob Ceculski wrote: >>> # >>>>isn't this ad 5 years too soon?  >>>>- >>>>http://www.theinquirer.net/mm25020202.htm  >>>> >>>>Compaq TV ad to push Itanic  >>>>' >>>>But they're Alphas in Pittsburgh... * >>>>By Mike Magee, 03/03/2002 01:20:54 BST >>>>F >>>Compaq seem to like doing these sorts of things.  The recent InformG >>>(Spring 2002) that came out spoke of how "Compaq invented clustering J >>>concept 22 years ago with OpenVMS clusters."  Humm, does that mean whenI >>>I purchased my home I invented garages?  They may own the rights to it K >>>but it seems a bit disingenuous to take credit for the creation of it...  >>>  >>>Barry >>> J >>>>THE WORD ON THE advertising street is that Compaq is preparing a TV ad; >>>>that will have Alpha aficionados fainting in disbelief. G >>>>According to sources so close to Compaq that they're not allowed to B >>>>view the INQUIRER on their PCs, the ad features the Pittsburgh >>>>Supercomputing facility. >>>>J >>>>This facility, of course, demonstrates the fearsome power of the Alpha  >>>>in its high end incarnation. >>>>I >>>>But, we understand, shots of the Pittsburgh site are interleaved with G >>>>pictures of an unlidded Compaq Itanium, which of course is shipping , >>>>now after that horrible SNAFU last year. >>>>I >>>>The director of the center - which uses Alpha technology - is made to J >>>>say something along the lines that the incredible computation power ofE >>>>his installation proves the superiority of the Itanium processor.  >>>>? >>>>Which of course it doesn't. And won't for a fair old while.  >>>>A >>>>Meanwhile, intrepid girl reporter Eva Glass tells us that the F >>>>marketing department(s) at Q are very much afraid that if the HP-QB >>>>takeover goes ahead on April Fool's day, most will go, go, go. >>>>G >>>>That, she understands, means that little in the way of marketing is I >>>>going on, the CVs/resumes are flying like confetti, while "cover your ! >>>>ass" is the order of the day.  >>>>I >>>>But is having the words Compaq Marketing Specialist on your CV a good < >>>>recommendation for a future job, Eva mischievously asks. >>>> >>>> >>>--  >>> B >>>Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO >>> D >>>E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028 >>>  >>>  >>>  >> >  >    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2002 00:47:52 -0800 ( From: giese@volkswerft.de (Rainer Giese)  Subject: Re: DCL delete question< Message-ID: <2f256f8d.0203050047.e21218f@posting.google.com>  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KEZ1V3DU368ZM0W4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...  > > $ dele/log foo.foo;,foo.foo; > % > I'm pretty sure this gets parsed to  > ! >    $ DELETE FOO.FOO;3,FOO.FOO;3   = Yes, but why the second does not produce an "file not found"? # delete foo.foo;*,foo.foo;* does it.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:09:59 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   Subject: Re: DCL delete question; Message-ID: <01KF01NDBNQQ8Y8HHB@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   ' > > I'm pretty sure this gets parsed to  > > # > >    $ DELETE FOO.FOO;3,FOO.FOO;3  > ? > Yes, but why the second does not produce an "file not found"? % > delete foo.foo;*,foo.foo;* does it.    ???   	 $ dir a.*    Directory U1$:[HELBIG.SCRATCH]  A A.A;2               A.A;1               A.B;2               A.B;1    Total of 4 files.  $ delete/log a.a;,a.a;? %DELETE-I-FILDEL, U1$:[HELBIG.SCRATCH]A.A;2 deleted (69 blocks)  $ delete/log a.b;2,a.b;2? %DELETE-I-FILDEL, U1$:[HELBIG.SCRATCH]A.B;2 deleted (69 blocks) 
 $ cop a.a a.a 
 $ cop a.b a.b  $ delete a.b;2,a.b;2 $ delete a.a;,a.a; $ wso f$getsyi("version")  V7.3 $    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:14:22 -0500  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com  Subject: Re: DCL delete question4 Message-ID: <C2256B73.004DECEB.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  G Just for the record, the last two deletes here seem to me inconsistent. * The second of the two behaves as expected.M The first of the two, if it parses before deleting, should find ;2 and ;1 and  delete them both in that order.  
 $ dir foo.foo ! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found  $ crea foo.foo;   ^Z  $ crea foo.foo;   ^Z  $ dire foo.foo   Directory JAM351:[NORM]    FOO.FOO;2           FOO.FOO;1    Total of 2 files.  $ dele/log foo.foo;*,foo.foo;*; %DELETE-I-FILDEL, JAM351:[NORM]FOO.FOO;2 deleted (0 blocks)t; %DELETE-I-FILDEL, JAM351:[NORM]FOO.FOO;1 deleted (0 blocks)m@ %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for JAM351:[NORM]FOO.FOO;* -RMS-E-FNF, file not found+ %DELETE-I-TOTAL, 2 files deleted (0 blocks)  $ crea foo.foo;p  ^Ze $ crea foo.foo;p  ^Zt $ dele/log foo.foo;,foo.foo;; %DELETE-I-FILDEL, JAM351:[NORM]FOO.FOO;2 deleted (0 blocks)C $ crea foo.foo;   ^ZS $ dele/log foo.foo;,foo.foo;-1; %DELETE-I-FILDEL, JAM351:[NORM]FOO.FOO;2 deleted (0 blocks)rA %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for JAM351:[NORM]FOO.FOO;-1e -RMS-E-FNF, file not found $ crea foo.foo;   ^Zu $ dele/log foo.foo;-1,foo.foo;; %DELETE-I-FILDEL, JAM351:[NORM]FOO.FOO;1 deleted (0 blocks)y; %DELETE-I-FILDEL, JAM351:[NORM]FOO.FOO;2 deleted (0 blocks)n+ %DELETE-I-TOTAL, 2 files deleted (0 blocks)l $         - giese@volkswerft.de on 03/05/2002 03:47:52 AMM  % Please respond to giese@volkswerft.den   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com) cc:o! Subject:  Re: DCL delete questionn        D Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message7 news:<01KEZ1V3DU368ZM0W4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...M  > > $ dele/log foo.foo;,foo.foo; >e% > I'm pretty sure this gets parsed tot >a! >    $ DELETE FOO.FOO;3,FOO.FOO;3a  = Yes, but why the second does not produce an "file not found"?e# delete foo.foo;*,foo.foo;* does it.l   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2002 06:59:25 -0800c( From: giese@volkswerft.de (Rainer Giese)  Subject: Re: DCL delete question= Message-ID: <2f256f8d.0203050659.22df38ff@posting.google.com>n  A > > Yes, but why the second does not produce an "file not found"?n' > > delete foo.foo;*,foo.foo;* does it.n >  > ???i  	 $ dir a.a    Directory VW$COMMON:[TEMP]   A.A;2               A.A;1-   Total of 2 files.u   $delete/log a.a;*,a.a;*0: %DELETE-I-FILDEL, VW$COMMON:[TEMP]A.A;2 deleted (0 blocks): %DELETE-I-FILDEL, VW$COMMON:[TEMP]A.A;1 deleted (0 blocks)? %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for VW$COMMON:[TEMP]A.A;*e -RMS-E-FNF, file not found+ %DELETE-I-TOTAL, 2 files deleted (0 blocks)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:37:14 +0100h- From: Serge ZANGHERI <serge.zangheri@sema.fr>e$ Subject: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing' Message-ID: <3C84ADEA.E3793B18@sema.fr>m  D Hi, I'm using DCPS 1.2 with TCPIP parameter (P2) to print on a LN17.. At the initialize/que I got an abort error....E I tried with OCE copier, no problem at the creating queue but the job-G never prints and stay on the queue as printing then starting, the queuei. (which were idle) becomes busy at this moment. Any idea or example or ...?t Thanxo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:33:58 -0500h0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>( Subject: Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing; Message-ID: <050320021133587983%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>B  6 In article <3C84ADEA.E3793B18@sema.fr>, Serge ZANGHERI <serge.zangheri@sema.fr> wrote:a  F > Hi, I'm using DCPS 1.2 with TCPIP parameter (P2) to print on a LN17.0 > At the initialize/que I got an abort error....G > I tried with OCE copier, no problem at the creating queue but the jobtI > never prints and stay on the queue as printing then starting, the queuee0 > (which were idle) becomes busy at this moment.  @ You can't do what you're trying to do.  DCPS V1.2 supports IP toG PrintServer printers only; that's what the TCPIP syntax in P2 does.  IP G support for other printers like the LN17 didn't appear until DCPS V1.4.m  F Since DCPS V1.2 is quite old (1995) I would suggest upgrading to V2.0.   Paul   -- E  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:30:39 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-. Subject: Former HP Chairman/CEO opposes merger/ Message-ID: <j98h8.8771$xG.3214@news2.bloor.is>m  
 March 4, 2002s1 Former Chief of Hewlett Urges Rejection of Merger 
 By STEVE LOHRnI When he was chairman and chief executive of Hewlett-Packard (news/quote),2J Lewis E. Platt helped choose Carleton S. Fiorina as his successor in 1999.  D But he is opposing the company's planned purchase of Compaq ComputerL (news/quote), a merger that if rejected by shareholders will certainly bringC Ms. Fiorina's downfall at Hewlett-Packard. And Mr. Platt visited aneL influential shareholder advisory firm, Institutional Shareholder Services inK Rockville, Md., last week to explain why he is against the deal Ms. Fiorinam? has championed, according to people with knowledge of his trip.@  J Mr. Platt presented his views to the advisory firm as an influential boardL member of the David and Lucile Packard Foundation, the largest single holderL of Hewlett-Packard shares with 10.4 percent of the company. In December, theB Packard foundation said it would vote its shares against the deal.  D Both sides in the bitter proxy fight have pleaded their cases beforeL Institutional Shareholders Services, whose recommendation for or against theI deal could be crucial. About 23 percent of Hewlett-Packard's shareholders G subscribe to the services of the firm. And with the Hewlett and Packard F family foundations, representing more than 18 percent of the company's@ shares, committed to voting against the merger, an InstitutionalJ Shareholders Service recommendation against the deal could be a conclusive" setback for the management's plan.  J Institutional Shareholders Service said Friday that it planned to announce? its recommendation after the close of share trading on Tuesday.   K Just how important the verdict will be is uncertain. Some big institutionalrJ investors traditionally follow the firm's recommendations, while others doL their own analysis of mergers, depending on the investment philosophy of the fund.a  L Yet as Bob Wayman, the chief financial officer of Hewlett-Packard, said lastL week of the Institutional Shareholders Service report this week, "It's going to be significant."T  G The Financial Times reported on Saturday that Walter B. Hewlett, who isvL leading the proxy fight against the Compaq merger, had talked with Mr. PlattL about returning to Hewlett-Packard as interim chief executive if the deal is	 rejected.t  J Mr. Hewlett's advisers said that any talk of who might succeed Ms. FiorinaG was premature. "Walter Hewlett intends to discuss these issues with therH board in executive session, with all of the outside directors, after theK merger is defeated," a spokesman for Mr. Hewlett said. And Mr. Hewlett, the K spokesman said, was confident that the company would be "well managed in an F interim period while the board selects a new chief executive officer."  + Mr. Platt could not be reached for comment.i  F But industry analysts doubt if Mr. Platt, 60, would take the job or beI offered it. After leaving Hewlett-Packard in 1999, Mr. Platt became chieflJ executive of Kendall-Jackson, a California winery. Last year, he left that post.e  K Promoting Mr. Platt as interim chief executive would probably be a tacticalsH mistake for Mr. Hewlett, analysts said. Mr. Platt, who spent 33 years atJ Hewlett-Packard, becoming chairman and chief executive in 1993, was widelyJ admired within the company, but he had been criticized for not pushing theH company quickly enough to adjust to the changes brought by the Internet.  B Ms. Fiorina has criticized Mr. Hewlett's opposition to the deal asD backward-looking, and Mr. Platt is regarded as part of that history.  K It was an activist board, led by Richard A. Hackborn, another former senior4K Hewlett-Packard executive, who prodded the company to look outside for moreaK dynamic leadership. Ms. Fiorina was their choice, and Mr. Hackborn strongly  supports the Compaq merger.n      ) Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company3   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:43:27 +0100.' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.net>s- Subject: Re: Hobbyist DEC TCPIP - Telnet bug!t( Message-ID: <3C84BD6F.61762426@spam.net>   Cthulhu wrote: > : > Dr. Uwe Leinberger <uwe.leinberger@t-systems.com> wrote: > E > > ....the "bug" I am fighting at the moment on my DS10 is licensingQ
 > > TCPIP. > 7 > Deh-eh... you are using a DS10 ad an hobbyist box? :!c > I > > With the hobyist license I got a UCX-License in the layered products,tG > > but TCPIP (i.e. UCX5.x) does not seem to honor the UCS-license....?u > J > In Hobbyist LP PAKs there is one called just "UCX", and that worked fine > with TCPIP 5.0[A]. > G > Maybe I'm too stupid to understand how to get them working just aftereE > activation, but I often solve license "invisibility" with a reboot.2  = The first step I do is to "license register"; the next is to c< "license load". I don't remember that I ever had to re-boot   for being able to use a license.  I > However, as Hoff would say, being more detailed would help the wizards.i > ;) >  >         presuntuosamente,n >             Cthulhuy >  > -- > F >    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it/ wgah'nagl fhtgan!4 >                      <cthulhu (at) rlyeh (dot) it>   --  6 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please revert the sequence   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:00:23 +0100 E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>o Subject: Re: Itanium troubles + Message-ID: <3C848927.83BB896E@mediasec.de>n  : > In comp.os.vms Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:A > : Them:  I have spoken to the developers and they say it is noti8 > : supposed to work.  We will change the documentation.> > Now that's clever marketing ... it's not a bug, the s/w that; > was supplied and documented is not supposed to work!  Then > documentation will be fixed!  K Used to be the SOP at IBM - they even had a name for it (which I can't seemm
 to remember).>   	Jan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:32:56 -0600: From: "Scandora, Anthony \(35048\)" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> Subject: Re: Itanium troublest+ Message-ID: <a62s3m$8ql$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>>  5 "Nick Maclaren" <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message,* news:a5nh2t$5v6$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...1 > In article <3C7F0AE5.6090309@brussels.sgi.com>, . > Alexis Cousein  <al@brussels.sgi.com> wrote: > >JF Mezei wrote:J > >> Why would someone buy SGI ? becayuse the software they need only runs on SGI.S > >lG > >The vast majority of *new* customers for SGI servers (last I looked,oH > >50%+ of revenue) are running applications that run on other platforms, > >too, so that can't be the only reason ;). >TG > It isn't.  Speaking from experience, the Origin/MIPS/IRIX solution is F > a pretty good one, and far more competitive than appears if you justF > look at Specmarks (when it isn't).  For example, it needs a lot less- > support effort than many other competitors.D  I I always though of SGI as a graphics leader, but eWeek (2/4/02 p.14) saysNJ Pixar and DreamWorks are both in the process of moving from Irix to Linux.H DreamWorks is collaborating with HP on IA-64:  "This will be the world'sI first IA-64 render farm, giving DreamWorks' artists the ability to create J larger, more complex images," said co-founder Jeffrey Katzenberg.  They'reF only two customers, but they're big and they're visible.  If the IA-64K render farm needs more CPUs than an equivalent Alpha render farm, so be it. ? They'll get the job done and be a good advertisement for IA-64.   I Keep in mind that Itanium today has failed to meet the absurd -- some sayoH fraudulent -- claims made years ago by Intel's propaganda machine.  ThatL does not change the fact that Intel has a lot of money to pay a lot of smartI people to make future generations of a very ambitious product better than.J the current.  If I wanted a high performance system now or during the nextL few years, I'd buy Alpha, knowing it's the best at the time of purchase, andI that when it's time to abandon the hardware, my VMS or Linux applicationsuL will be easy to move to whatever hardware is current at the time.  (I wish I8 could say the same for Tru64, but that's another story.)  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541i scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:37:18 +0000 (UTC)/ From: mccalpin@gmp246.austin.ibm.com (McCalpin)h Subject: Re: Itanium troubles?1 Message-ID: <a62vod$5fe$1@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>   + In article <a62s3m$8ql$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>,n9 Scandora, Anthony \(35048\) <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote:t >nJ >I always though of SGI as a graphics leader, but eWeek (2/4/02 p.14) saysK >Pixar and DreamWorks are both in the process of moving from Irix to Linux.h  B This is really old news (in the larger sense -- I don't know about@ those two customers in particular).  Although graphics was never: my side of the business, I think the following is correct:  E SGI is a player, but not the leader, in the *rendering* market, whichdC is characterized by lots of inexpensive boxes running embarassingly @ parallel rendering jobs.  These boxes don't need or use graphics? hardware.  Notable large rendering farms have been made out of h. SGI MIPS, Compaq Alpha, and Intel Linux boxes.  F The place where SGI has been very strong is in the *animation* market,B where the SGI graphics hardware allows the animators/directors/etcC to view the animation at full speed, but without all of the detailsr@ that the fully rendered images eventually provide.  This part of? the process requires not only excellent graphics, but excellentu4 sustained I/O performance to keep the movie running. -- l9 John D. McCalpin, Ph.D.           mccalpin@austin.ibm.comeF Senior Technical Staff Member     IBM POWER Microprocessor Development-     "I am willing to make mistakes as long asc1      someone else is willing to learn from them.">   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Mar 2002 13:25:15 -0500# From: Chris Morgan <cm@mihalis.net>r Subject: Re: Itanium troubles ( Message-ID: <86k7sq6fec.fsf@mihalis.net>  1 mccalpin@gmp246.austin.ibm.com (McCalpin) writes:>  H > The place where SGI has been very strong is in the *animation* market,D > where the SGI graphics hardware allows the animators/directors/etcE > to view the animation at full speed, but without all of the details0B > that the fully rendered images eventually provide.  This part ofA > the process requires not only excellent graphics, but excellent 6 > sustained I/O performance to keep the movie running.  E I think it is precisely this market where SGI is now suffering losses@B towards Linux. As you say, the rendering market already uses largeB numbers of the cheapest systems (linux) e.g. at Digital Domain, orB medium numbers of multi-processor boxes (sun, sgi, compaq) e.g. atF Pixar, however commodity hardware has now parked its tanks on the lawn+ of one of SGI's last bastions of dominance.  -- - Chris Morgan  &    "Not so bad offer to discuss about"  ( 		- Best recent email spam subject line    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:59:08 +0000 (UTC), From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m>: Subject: Re: Let me know any References for Stock Exchange1 Message-ID: <a61qbs$q31$1@knossos.btinternet.com>w  H And at the ASX, RTR had nothing to do with the trading systems only backL office stuff. Maybe that's changed? Or maybe you weren't looking for trading systems?  = Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messagefE news:rdeininger-0403022118000001@1cust146.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...C? > In article <J_Kg8.2039$LEs.1556@news2.bloor.is>, "John Smith"- > <a@nonymous.com> wrote:] >;% > >Australian Stock Exchange (Sydney)  > > % > >International Stock Exchange (USA)e >aL > Actually it's the International Securities Exchange.  They do options, not	 > stocks.u >5 > http://www.iseoptions.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:12:54 -0100 - From: Peter Harding <harding@herald.ox.ac.uk>t, Subject: LIB$CVT_FROM_INTERNAL_TIME - year??/ Message-ID: <3C84A836.D9D7C678@herald.ox.ac.uk>a  H Am I missing something glaringly obvious, or is it rather hard to figure out what year it is with this?   Thanks   -- r Tel 07092057581 ICQ 40628243   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:37:32 +0000 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>0 Subject: Re: LIB$CVT_FROM_INTERNAL_TIME - year??8 Message-ID: <8ei98ukjn494dcdvh6d107abqffm4mrdsl@4ax.com>  K On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:12:54 -0100, Peter Harding <harding@herald.ox.ac.uk>t wrote:  I >Am I missing something glaringly obvious, or is it rather hard to figureS >out what year it is with this?-  % (Examines little-read help module...)a  K Seems to be !  Try SYS$NUMTIM - returns a 7-word array of year, month, day,-? hour, minute, second, centi-second (possibly in reverse order).f     	John  -- e
 John Laird Yezerski Roper Ltd   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:29:05 -00004 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk>+ Subject: Re: Lock Manager, sublock questionuB Message-ID: <1015319097.22656.0.nnrp-14.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>  8 "Bru, Pierre" <pierre.bru@spotimage.fr> wrote in message7 news:1c0e37b1.0203040548.1cfebbc2@posting.google.com...l > hello, >sA > the question is simple: what are sublocks used for ? what's thel/ > advantage of using sublock instead of locks ?o   Limiting scope. 0 Eg. RMS takes out record locks based on the RFA.L If they weren't sublocks of file/bucket locks, there would be a high risk of
 a name clash.4   Chrise   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2002 01:22:42 -0800r+ From: pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre)L+ Subject: Re: Lock Manager, sublock questions= Message-ID: <1c0e37b1.0203050122.261e5e9e@posting.google.com>f  # > Simple.  Granularity and focus.  - > K > A sub-lock is merely a lock with a parent lock.  Sub-locks can be used toeK > control a sub-entity of a larger entity (for example, records of a file).2K > Thus, the advantage is that you can prescribe a coordinated access to theaK > sub-entity without restricting other processes from accessing some other  9 > sub-entity (files on a volume is another such example).   E OK. are there restriction between the type of the parent lock and itsIE sub-locks (do they have to be compatible or are there independants) ?M; if I release a parent lock, what happens to its sub-locks ?o  C more, if there are constraints (compatibility, release order), doesL> the lock manager enforce them or does the programmer have to ?   TIA, Pierre.e  U system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A0A724.B8EC82BD@SendSpamHere.ORG>...cm > In article <1c0e37b1.0203040548.1cfebbc2@posting.google.com>, pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre) writes:a	 > >hello,) > >rB > >the question is simple: what are sublocks used for ? what's the0 > >advantage of using sublock instead of locks ? > >u > >TIA,-
 > >Pierre. > # > Simple.  Granularity and focus.    > K > A sub-lock is merely a lock with a parent lock.  Sub-locks can be used to K > control a sub-entity of a larger entity (for example, records of a file).aK > Thus, the advantage is that you can prescribe a coordinated access to thejK > sub-entity without restricting other processes from accessing some other aI > sub-entity (files on a volume is another such example).  If you want toEI > access a file on a volume, there is far less contention by taking out a J > lock on the file serialization lock (F11B$s_<lock-basis>) instead of the& > volume lock (F11B$v<volume-label).   > ? > The later example can be seen using the system dump analyzer.n >  > $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM > SDA> SHOW LOCK/NAME=F11B$  iC > hit returns until you find a lock with resource name of F11B$s...eJ > This lock will have a Parent lock Id.  If you examine the parent lock id+ > you should find that it is a volume lock.r! > SDA> SHOW LOCK <parent-lock-id>d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:38:23 +0100lE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> + Subject: Re: Lock Manager, sublock question + Message-ID: <3C84920F.1D77DF52@mediasec.de>,  J Another reason is that all locks belonging to one resource tree are alwaysL mastered on one node. If your resource tree is built appropriately, you haveL a much higher chance of local mastering to the processes using the resources
 being locked.   F By the way, I think the terminology of "sub-locks" is wrong - it's theL resources that are built in a tree fashion. However, to lock a sub-resource,@ as it were, you need to specify a lock on the parent resource...   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:21:27 GMTg From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGl+ Subject: Re: Lock Manager, sublock questione0 Message-ID: <00A0A79E.C9EF8016@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <1c0e37b1.0203050122.261e5e9e@posting.google.com>, pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre) writes:n$ >> Simple.  Granularity and focus.   >> iL >> A sub-lock is merely a lock with a parent lock.  Sub-locks can be used toL >> control a sub-entity of a larger entity (for example, records of a file).L >> Thus, the advantage is that you can prescribe a coordinated access to theL >> sub-entity without restricting other processes from accessing some other : >> sub-entity (files on a volume is another such example).  G Do you not have access to the "Programming Concepts" doc?  This is all r! very well covered in that manual..    F >OK. are there restriction between the type of the parent lock and its  E Type?  Please specify what you mean by this.  If you are referring toe- the lock mode, the answer is not necessarily.s    F >sub-locks (do they have to be compatible or are there independants) ?< >if I release a parent lock, what happens to its sub-locks ?  A Why don't you program a simple example with resources of your ownsB device and see?  Try a resource name such as MommyandDaddy for theA parent lock and spoiledbrat1 and spoiledbrat2 as sublock resourcet names.    D >more, if there are constraints (compatibility, release order), does? >the lock manager enforce them or does the programmer have to ?n  > The lock manager will enforce such things as locking of a sub-? lock without first having a lock on the parent and/or releasingt? the locks on sublocks before releasing the parent.  However, iti@ does not enforce the mode of these locks.  The lock manager will? also enforce the locking modes based upon its rules for compat-   ible in incompatible lock modes.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            tJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:52:30 -0000  From: sword7@speakeasy.org9 Subject: Looking for OpenVMS Hobbyist CD v1 (OpenVMS 6.2)d. Message-ID: <u8a4ve8jjm38f@corp.supernews.com>   Hello folks:  D Well, I have OpenVMS Hobbyist CD v2 (OpenVMS 7.2) but am looking forC a copy of OpenVMS Hobbytist CD v1 (OpenVMS 6.2).  Mongtar no longerrA sells that Hobbyist CD v1 for new version (Hobbyist CD v2).  Doesa Mongtar still has copies left?  
 Thank you.   -- Tim Stark   -- M, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:54:09 +0000d From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com& Subject: Memo:  Re: DTE UnsynchronisedE Message-ID: <OF7876B8B6.FE70C404-ON80256B73.0035AD9D@systems.uk.hsbc>p   The trace says it all:      Timer expires (no ack)       Disconnect is senta      Buffers are flushedI You have no physical layer. Starting at the DTE interface: Make sure youra port sees the modem:J      As another poster suggests use the modem connect module and determine if you have the expectedB      signals from the moden (DSR, CTS at least should be asserted)I      If that is OK then look at CD - if asserted you also have a modem at  the other end.J      If all is well to this point you will have to repeat this exercise atJ the other end - you may have a good system and two good modems but the far) end is unplugged/unpowered/uncooperative.wH As the trace shows nothing from the other end I suspect there is nothing; there. (as opposed to something there and badly configured)hE Good luck - this is old stuff and probably suitable for my old brain!i   Paul        ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **   D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseeB  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.s  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure orpA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, >  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of ?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.r  rD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office <=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly sA  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so a3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.   D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2002 05:38:58 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing! YES!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203050538.4ca8ed08@posting.google.com>P  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3C843F0F.BDC21BC0@videotron.ca>...-  O > The danger is that HP will recalculate the attrition rate and figure that VMS3K > customers have nowhere else to go anymore. Compaq may have feared that itaT > would lose VMS customers to HP. But now, those would have to stay as HP customers. >   0 what do you mean no where else to go? try I B M!: Government and defense use will keep around VMS for a good< while, at least thru 2009 like support charts show, but then> it is up to vms on itanic ... if that doesn't materialize then> you will see vms customers start to IBM, and once on IBM, they= will stay for a long time ... if HP doesn't want vms and theyl: have any brains, they will sell it off, otherwise every HP9 product will be banned forever!  That is what we will do.r   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2002 09:51:19 -0600r- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing! YES!3 Message-ID: <ttyAiaBSJR7M@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  g In article <oBPg8.1945$a04.11138@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> writes:   K > They actually mention OpenVMS. Not only mention it in fact, they say it`ssF > the best! They also mention Tru64 Unix but the list of features of aM > VMScluster is better than that of a Tru64 cluster (no downtime for hardwaree > / software upgrades is one). > M > And they also point out that OpenVMS wsa declared "cool and unhackable " ati > the Defcon9.  D    Yep, I go tthat one, too.  Preaching to the choir.  We're the add    in the WSJ saying the same?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:38:14 GMTo! From: Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net>-$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketing! YES!> Message-ID: <Xns91C88A858AE05acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  ; koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) enlightened us withe, news:ttyAiaBSJR7M@eisner.encompasserve.org:   @ > In article <oBPg8.1945$a04.11138@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"+ > <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> writes: , > > >> They actually mention OpenVMS. Not only mention it in fact,? >> they say it`s the best! They also mention Tru64 Unix but theiB >> list of features of a VMScluster is better than that of a Tru64A >> cluster (no downtime for hardware / software upgrades is one).r >> y> >> And they also point out that OpenVMS wsa declared "cool and >> unhackable " at the Defcon9.- > B >    Yep, I go tthat one, too.  Preaching to the choir.  We're the$ >    add in the WSJ saying the same?  - Another "me too" here..... got mine today....2  8 Where are the VMS ads when something like THIS happens:   .     	http://news.com.com/2100-1023-851276.html  8 An unconfirmed report is saying they lost something RAID> related on hardware housing an Oracle database that "blew up" 6 and their "hot standby" system is dead with a bad CPU. [Can anyone here confirm that?]n  B Unless it's running on whatever at Yahoo is "powered by Compaq"...  	 oops.....    -Andy- -- i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:54:08 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> * Subject: Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?8 Message-ID: <pq898ust7i3e36m28hqe8tl43nefqmcckf@4ax.com>  ? On 3 Mar 2002 19:59:11 +0100, Cthulhu <noone@nowhere.it> wrote:a   >eH >DECnet is not working well on my Charon-VAX/Linux, maybe the absence ofH >a network card is generating all that strange messages. I can't do even >a "SET HOST 0"...  C Have you done the basics? That is run @sys$manager:netconfig and/oro @sys$manager:startnetm   > Y >> From the docs I have read I understand I should load the PAK first, then the software?r >dH >Software can be usually installed without its PAK, but if you want also >to use it... :) >/F >> Don't really know what software, PAKs, perform what functions. This > I >I don't know too, I just launched the whole file and installed all PAKs.  >rI >If you run Charon on Linux and have installed C-Kermit, you can hack its H >"terminal" script so you can use Kermit as console to upload ASCII fileG >first, and binary files then. It would need a loooong time to type alls >of that PAK by hands! >mF >> Without turning this into comp.os.vms.whining.newbie.hobbyist, I am >t >And where should I go so? :(  >  >	hobbisticamente,
 >	    Cthulhut   -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:14:56 -00005 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt>e Subject: Re: SOAP on OpenVMS?l" Message-ID: <3c848ce5@news.wau.nl>  6 "Gary Morin" <gary.morin@emergis.com> wrote in message7 news:4f886957.0203041232.62b15c52@posting.google.com...  > >eF > > I was checking into both XML-RPC and SOAP myself and was disturbed@ > > to see that SOAP is turning into one of those "designed by aD > > committee of large software vendors" things. XML-RPC seems to beB > > a much simpler/easier to implement idea ( See www.xmlrpc.com )A > > that anyone could use to "build web services in their garage"rB > > [Oddly enough, Apple has built support for both into Mac OS X] > > 
 > > -Andy- > > -- >hG > If you really want to see a Camel (horse designed by committee) "RPC"m6 > take a look at the ebXML Messaging Service Spec. 1.0F > http://www.ebxml.org/specs/index.htm  If memory serves at last countH > the xml wrapper DTD was seven printed pages long and its still missing > important stuff. >1 >   -- Garys  K Seems a big improvement over the 2700 pages the EDIFACT standard is said tos have :-)  
 rob van lopiku   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:47:37 -00009 From: "Michael Worsley" <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk> & Subject: Standalone backup question...4 Message-ID: <a62t3f$b5fsd$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>   Hi,.  L I'm trying to do a standalone backup of the system disk of our MicroVax 31000 (VMS 5-5.2) to TK50 using the following command:  ? BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DKA300: MKA500:dua0.bck/REWIND/LABEL=sysbcko  H I get halfway through the process, the tape is unloaded and I get to the prompt:n  0 %BACKUP-I-RESUME, resuming operation on volume 2  L If I change the TK50 at this point, all goes well.  If, however, I wait till I get the following prompt...T  D %BACKUP-I-READYWRITE, mount volume 2 on _SABCKUP$MKA500: for writing Enter "Yes" when ready.y  G ... before putting the new TK50 in, then the new tape whirrs quietly to H itself for a while before unloading itself (ie beeps, "Tape in use" goes$ out, "Operate lever" light comes on.    K Does this sound familiar to anyone at all?  Any suggestions about how I canCI try and get round this without sitting waiting for each tape to complete?r    ' Any suggestions greatfully appreciated!-     -- Michael Worsleyi Praxis Critical Systems LimitedA   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:19:26 -0000o- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)t* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...7 Message-ID: <91C880267warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>y  : michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk (Michael Worsley) wrote in* <a62t3f$b5fsd$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>:    >Hi, >dH >I'm trying to do a standalone backup of the system disk of our MicroVax6 >3100 (VMS 5-5.2) to TK50 using the following command: >j@ >BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DKA300: MKA500:dua0.bck/REWIND/LABEL=sysbck >5I >I get halfway through the process, the tape is unloaded and I get to theg >prompt: >n1 >%BACKUP-I-RESUME, resuming operation on volume 2. >gH >If I change the TK50 at this point, all goes well.  If, however, I wait# >till I get the following prompt...i >sE >%BACKUP-I-READYWRITE, mount volume 2 on _SABCKUP$MKA500: for writingd >Enter "Yes" when ready. >tH >... before putting the new TK50 in, then the new tape whirrs quietly toI >itself for a while before unloading itself (ie beeps, "Tape in use" goes0% >out, "Operate lever" light comes on.o >a >fH >Does this sound familiar to anyone at all?  Any suggestions about how ID >can try and get round this without sitting waiting for each tape to >complete? f >s >-( >Any suggestions greatfully appreciated! >r >  >--  >Michael Worsley  >Praxis Critical Systems Limited >  >g  F It's not clear what you want to have happen here.  The first tape has G filled up, it tells you (%BACKUP-I-READYWRITE), rewinds the first tape sK (whirrs quietly to itself), spits it out ("Operate lever" light comes on), a" and you get to load the next tape.  K Is the problem that you want all this to happen without a tape-change?  If oI so, it would seem your options are higher-capacity tape drive, or a tape aF jukebox, although I don't know if a jukebox will work with standalone  backup.n   ws   -- l   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)r The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:51:25 -0500  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...4 Message-ID: <C2256B73.00674B3F.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  M What he said was that if he changes the cartridge before it asks for the nexta tapeO all is well, but if he waits for the prompt, it does not resume properly, so he  has toN stand there and catch it at unload and before it does READYWRITE.  If it would take2 his Yes answer and resume correctly, he'd be okay.  Well that's what I read, anyway., (It may be checking for SYSB02 on the label)        0 wspencer@ap.nospam.org on 03/05/2002 01:19:26 PM  ( Please respond to wspencer@ap.nospam.org   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com / cc:    (bcc: Norm Raphael/WOR/Automation/METSO)v+ Subject:  Re: Standalone backup question...         : michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk (Michael Worsley) wrote in) <a62t3f$b5fsd$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>:e   >Hi, > H >I'm trying to do a standalone backup of the system disk of our MicroVax6 >3100 (VMS 5-5.2) to TK50 using the following command: >e@ >BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DKA300: MKA500:dua0.bck/REWIND/LABEL=sysbck >lI >I get halfway through the process, the tape is unloaded and I get to theh >prompt: >t1 >%BACKUP-I-RESUME, resuming operation on volume 2c >dH >If I change the TK50 at this point, all goes well.  If, however, I wait# >till I get the following prompt...b >CE >%BACKUP-I-READYWRITE, mount volume 2 on _SABCKUP$MKA500: for writingq >Enter "Yes" when ready. >0H >... before putting the new TK50 in, then the new tape whirrs quietly toI >itself for a while before unloading itself (ie beeps, "Tape in use" goess% >out, "Operate lever" light comes on.h >e >hH >Does this sound familiar to anyone at all?  Any suggestions about how ID >can try and get round this without sitting waiting for each tape to
 >complete? >e >h( >Any suggestions greatfully appreciated! >o >a >--r >Michael Worsley  >Praxis Critical Systems Limited >  >e  E It's not clear what you want to have happen here.  The first tape has F filled up, it tells you (%BACKUP-I-READYWRITE), rewinds the first tapeJ (whirrs quietly to itself), spits it out ("Operate lever" light comes on)," and you get to load the next tape.  J Is the problem that you want all this to happen without a tape-change?  IfH so, it would seem your options are higher-capacity tape drive, or a tapeE jukebox, although I don't know if a jukebox will work with standalonet backup.r   ws   --   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  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 h t t p : / /) groups.google.com/4 groups?hl=3Den&q=3DeProjectShop&btnG=3DGoogle+Search   Twits.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET3% Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:28 AM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET9 Subject: The new Portal For the IT Professional Community   & improperly formatted material deleted=   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:57:30 -0500! From: "lskdjf" <lsdjf@lskdjf.edu>  Subject: Third Party Storage+ Message-ID: <a62tla$ggj$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   B We are trying to attach third party storage to our OpenVMS system.F We have a Fibre channel array with an open 1 Gb port on it. Can anyoneC tell us how to connect this? We tried the Compaq HBA, but could nott get it to see our storage.   Thanks.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:02:15 -0500b* From: John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com> Subject: Re: VAX Pascal-) Message-ID: <3C850827.3000702@compaq.com>r   V wrote:0 > what is lib$get_foreign and how does it work?? >  > vlm15@hotmail.com  >   D Once you look it up in the documents, here is a short Pascal example  * program use_lib$get_foreign(input,output);   type $word = [word] 0..65535;t  $ [external] function lib$get_foreign(I      var resultant_string : [class_s] packed array [$l1..$u1:integer] of   char;nI          prompt_string    : [class_s] packed array [$l2..$u2:integer] of 6 charI                                                              := %immed 0;h.      var resultant_length : $word := %immed 0;:      var flags : integer := %immed 0) : integer; external;   varo&      commands : varying [132] of char;   begin   = { Call LIB$GET_FOREIGN to get the optional command string.  }e= { Use a prompt_string in case there wasn't any parameters or}n= { the image wasn't invoked as a foreign command...          }8  ? lib$get_foreign( commands.body, 'Commands? ', commands.length);.  / writeln('The inputed commands are: ',commands);B end.     -- c John Reagang' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leadert   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:32:24 GMT,' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>o; Subject: Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 3000l" Message-ID: <3c84ba5b@zfree.co.nz>  6 The label on the back shows the following information:   Model: FR-K7F2W-WA PN: 3300 6400A
 Series: P8800   B The system is a white PC style box. It is _not_ a DEC 3000 machineD (the ones that look remotely like a VAX 3100). Could it be a Jensen?" The ARC console identification is:  % Digital Server 3000 model 3300 6400A a Digital Alpha 21164t  K The machine used to boot NT4, but its ARC console supports also VMS and OSFi6 modes. All I want is to be able to run AXP/VMS on it. A The error message reported was the result of >>> B -fl 0,0 dka500hI where dka500 is the CD drive. It does boot into SYSBOOT>, no problem withn that. D The fact that the system supports both ARC and VMS/OSF console modes/ made me think that VMS might run on the system.h   Hans  3 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:-J >In article <3c840244.1214705283@news.wcc.govt.nz>, rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz wrote: >g> >>Not sure if it's the same, we got a couple of DEC 3000s here% >>2 DEC 3000 600M and a DEC 3000 300Ll >>The latter is running 7.3M >>The 600Ms are running 7.2-1  >>> >>Palcode Version on the 300L is 5.54 and on the 600Ms is 5.56 >> >>Maybe a Firmware thing?e > H >The above are conventional DEC 3000 server or workstation systems.  VMSI >has supported them since the flood.  There haven't been major changes tor8 >the firmware for years.  These systems will load either: >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0702.EXE (any of the 3000-300 family) or/ >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0402.EXE (any of the others).l >i >aE >>On Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:49:21 GMT, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>n >>wrote: >> >>> C >>>I found an old Dig. Server 3000 and tried to boot VMS 7.3 on it.I$ >>>It failed with the error message:+ >>>Unable to load SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXEi% >>>The VMS PALcode version is V1.20-3n/ >>>The >>>show version command returns V5.4-113m >aD >This is something completely different.  I don't recognize the nameK >"Digital Server 3000" as being a VMS-capable system.  (Which does not meanr: >there is no such beast.)  Certainly, if it is looking forG >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE, it is NOT a Pelican, Flamingo, or Sandpiper , >class DEC 3000 system.  No relation at all. >a >(This web page0F >   http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.htmlE >summarizes the DEC 3000 family pretty nicely, including the formerly  >top-secret system code names.)c > E >On my systems, there's no SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE in the [SYS$LDR].D >directory, which is the root problem.  The console sets up the dataJ >structures that lets VMS figure this out.  There's no intelligence in VMS >in this area. >lK >Please be VERY careful with system names.  If you can find the label, post H >exactly what the model name is.  Since you seem to have console access,0 >tell us the exact system name from the console. >,G >This _may_ be one of the crippled systems that was tweeked to make VMS-H >unbootable.  The "E505" part of the file name looks suspicious, since IG >don't think the most significant bit of that hex number is ever set onwJ >"official" VMS-supported systems.  But my memory may be faultly.  Some ofG >these systems shipped with VMS PALcode, but VMS does not support them.f > 1 >>>Is there any hope to boot, say, VMS 6.2 on it?e >0I >If it's similar enough to a supported system, it could likely be made to-% >work.  Licensing might be a problem., >MC >If you find the detailed system specs, and have access to a sourceiJ >listings kit, and can write your own platform support and maybe some bootH >drivers, then I'm certain you could boot VMS on it.  But this paragraphA >likely needs multiple smileys.  You're looking for hobbyist, nots >obsession, right? >n >  -- Robert       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:42:31 GMT + From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>C; Subject: Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 3000h+ Message-ID: <3C850833.43B7E72C@ins-msi.com>e  D The DS 3300 is a "white box" AlphaServer 800 hobbled to run NT only.  " To run VMS on it do the following;  /   1) Change the machine to use the SRM console.p  ?   2) Do a  >>> show conf  command to see the machine's firmwaref      versions. Go to o  7          http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/e  B      If the machine is not at the latest firmware version download      a copy and update it. a  0   3) Then at the >>> prompt, type the following:           >>> set os_type vms @         >>> cat nvram       (to see what, if anything, is in it)         >>> edit nvram             10 set srm_boot on             20 e         >>> init      4) Install VMS and have fun!a  < Change the line numbers, 10 and 20 above, if your nvram file- happens to have other commands in it already.1  : The edit command above runs a simple line numbered editor.. Type a ? in it to see a list of it's commands:           >>> edit nvram
             ?   
 Jeff Campbelle n8wxs@arrl.net   Hans Vlems wrote:r > 8 > The label on the back shows the following information: >  > Model: FR-K7F2W-WA > PN: 3300 6400A > Series: P8800= > D > The system is a white PC style box. It is _not_ a DEC 3000 machineF > (the ones that look remotely like a VAX 3100). Could it be a Jensen?$ > The ARC console identification is: > & > Digital Server 3000 model 3300 6400A > Digital Alpha 21164l > M > The machine used to boot NT4, but its ARC console supports also VMS and OSF 7 > modes. All I want is to be able to run AXP/VMS on it.nC > The error message reported was the result of >>> B -fl 0,0 dka500 K > where dka500 is the CD drive. It does boot into SYSBOOT>, no problem withl > that.hF > The fact that the system supports both ARC and VMS/OSF console modes1 > made me think that VMS might run on the system.  >  > Hans > 5 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:gL > >In article <3c840244.1214705283@news.wcc.govt.nz>, rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz > wrote: > >m@ > >>Not sure if it's the same, we got a couple of DEC 3000s here' > >>2 DEC 3000 600M and a DEC 3000 300L  > >>The latter is running 7.3i > >>The 600Ms are running 7.2-1e > >>@ > >>Palcode Version on the 300L is 5.54 and on the 600Ms is 5.56 > >> > >>Maybe a Firmware thing?t > >oJ > >The above are conventional DEC 3000 server or workstation systems.  VMSK > >has supported them since the flood.  There haven't been major changes toa: > >the firmware for years.  These systems will load either< > >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0702.EXE (any of the 3000-300 family) or1 > >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0402.EXE (any of the others).T > >l > >iG > >>On Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:49:21 GMT, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>-
 > >>wrote: > >> > >>>2E > >>>I found an old Dig. Server 3000 and tried to boot VMS 7.3 on it.d& > >>>It failed with the error message:- > >>>Unable to load SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXEh' > >>>The VMS PALcode version is V1.20-3g1 > >>>The >>>show version command returns V5.4-113b > > F > >This is something completely different.  I don't recognize the nameM > >"Digital Server 3000" as being a VMS-capable system.  (Which does not meana< > >there is no such beast.)  Certainly, if it is looking forI > >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE, it is NOT a Pelican, Flamingo, or Sandpiper . > >class DEC 3000 system.  No relation at all. > >M > >(This web pagetH > >   http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.htmlG > >summarizes the DEC 3000 family pretty nicely, including the formerlyn! > >top-secret system code names.)s > >oG > >On my systems, there's no SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE in the [SYS$LDR]eF > >directory, which is the root problem.  The console sets up the dataL > >structures that lets VMS figure this out.  There's no intelligence in VMS > >in this area. > >0M > >Please be VERY careful with system names.  If you can find the label, post J > >exactly what the model name is.  Since you seem to have console access,2 > >tell us the exact system name from the console. > >tI > >This _may_ be one of the crippled systems that was tweeked to make VMS J > >unbootable.  The "E505" part of the file name looks suspicious, since II > >don't think the most significant bit of that hex number is ever set oniL > >"official" VMS-supported systems.  But my memory may be faultly.  Some ofI > >these systems shipped with VMS PALcode, but VMS does not support them.h > > 3 > >>>Is there any hope to boot, say, VMS 6.2 on it?s > >tK > >If it's similar enough to a supported system, it could likely be made toh' > >work.  Licensing might be a problem.t > >gE > >If you find the detailed system specs, and have access to a sourcelL > >listings kit, and can write your own platform support and maybe some bootJ > >drivers, then I'm certain you could boot VMS on it.  But this paragraphC > >likely needs multiple smileys.  You're looking for hobbyist, notl > >obsession, right? > >  > >  -- Robert >  > http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2002 02:40:22 -0800t) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)y> Subject: Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file?= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0203050240.30f72498@posting.google.com>S  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3C844AAB.79686462@fsi.net>... > I > Question #2: Do you *REALLY* want to use relative path names like that?uD > Wouldn't logical names be better (if a bit more work to maintain)?  I When you are stuffing around with something dragged from U**X, which thisn' example ??appears?? to relate to - YUP.mI I've come up with some interesting relative include paths for example :-)r  ? Setting up a nice build environment comes later ... much later.o  G I think some answers to the original question lie in "automatically"...r  D "OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1.  The following automatically generated options file:"  6 I always find automatically translates to manually :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:15:40 -0600tC From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>M> Subject: Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file?H Message-ID: <craig.berry-EF3447.09154005032002@news.directvinternet.com>  = In article <55f85d77.0203042159.2d8ff3fd@posting.google.com>,f+  P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) wrote:l  J > I'm not really at all sure how you get a hyphen into a module name of an% > object module library. For example:w > G > "PROGRAM-ID. PRINT-OUTPUT." gives you a PRINT_OUTPUT procedure symbol%K > from COBOL, and LIBRARY /MODULE=module-name only works for text libraries_J > which would stop you from inserting the resulting object as PRINT-OUTPUT  + Dunno about COBOL but it's quite easy in C."   $ type foo-bar.c extern int foo;% extern int bar;M $ cc foo-bar$ $ library/object/create test foo-bar $ library/list test @ Directory of ALPHA OBJECT library D0:[CRAIG.TEST]TEST.OLB;1 on   5-MAR-2002 08:50:183D Creation date:   5-MAR-2002 08:50:10      Creator:  Librarian A09-22? Revision date:   5-MAR-2002 08:50:10      Library format:   3.0 ? Number of modules:      1                 Max. key length:  128dH Other entries:          0                 Preallocated index blocks:     213TJ Recoverable deleted blocks:      0        Total index blocks used:         1 J Max. Number history records:      20      Library history records:         09   FOO-BAR3     > You could try and move:b > @ > CN.olb/Include=(CN,CP936,EUC_CN,GB12345,GB2312,GBK,ISO-IR-165) > E > out of the options file and put it on the command line and see whato	 > happen.o   Hmm.  That seems to work:    $ cc try' $ link try,test/library/include=foo-bar> $   C So the problem really is just an unintended side effect of the way  G parsing is done for options files and not for any good reason that the a linker should care about.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:49:04 -0600aC From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>a> Subject: Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file?H Message-ID: <craig.berry-651197.09490405032002@news.directvinternet.com>  ' In article <3C844AAB.79686462@fsi.net>, 3  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:P   > "Craig A. Berry" wrote:v  - > > SYMBOL_VECTOR=(boot_Encode__CN=PROCEDURE)jP > > [---.lib.auto.Encode.CN]CN.olb/Include=(CN,CP936,EUC_CN,GB12345,GB2312,GBK,I > > SO-IR-165)* > > [---.lib.auto.Encode.CN]CN.olb/Library > > [---]PerlShr.exe/Share > > ! > > gives me the following error:  > > L > > Link /NoTrace/NoMap /Shareable=[---.LIB.AUTO.ENCODE.CN]PL_ENCODE__CN.EXE. > > CN.opt/Option,[---]perlshr_attr.opt/Option3 > > %LINK-F-OPTSYNERR, syntax error in options file0) > > D1:[CRAIG.perl.ext.Encode.CN]CN.OPT;1n) > > -LINK-E-OPTLIN, options line in errorrP > >         CODE.CN]CN.OLB/INCLUDE=(CN,CP936,EUC_CN,GB12345,GB2312,GBK,ISO'-'IR- > >         165)  H > Question #1: Can you drop the /INCLUDE phrase, and just let the LINKerB > find stuff in the .OLB on it's own? (An "advanced" feature, eh?)  F Might work, might not.  At least I've seen a few cases over the years F where the linker had to be told things explicitly that it should have  been able to figure out.  I > Question #2: Do you *REALLY* want to use relative path names like that?tD > Wouldn't logical names be better (if a bit more work to maintain)?  B Since the relative locations are known precisely I don't see much C advantage to using logical names here.  Both the locations and the r! references to them are generated.>  C The real answer to both your questions is that the options file is MH generated by a procedure that has been working pretty well for a number F of years and changing it would require a lot of debugging and testing D for no known benefit.  As you probably surmise, this is part of the H Perl build.  It's using Perl itself to build extensions, i.e., run-time F libraries that extend Perl's functionality.  95% of the time the Unix B folks can just plunk in a new extension and it builds fine on VMS D without any personal attention.  The same API that generates a Unix E makefile on Unix will generate a description file for MMS or MMK and uG other necessary build components (like the linker options files).  The -E end result is a properly constructed shareable image that Perl knows E how to load when it needs it.0   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.126 ************************