1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 06 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 128       Contents:) Re: Any virus scan software for VMS smtp? ) Re: Any virus scan software for VMS smtp? ) Re: Any virus scan software for VMS smtp? 6 Re: Anyone See the full page ad letter to Mr. Hewlett?2 Re: best/most flexible preserve VMS files onto CD?9 Re: Carl L. (was: Sun eating major helping of Linux Crow)  Re: Change name of LSE icon ? / Clustering beginnings - Clair Grant might know. 3 Re: Clustering beginnings - Clair Grant might know. , Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics!* DCL challenge of the day: dates comparison. Re: DCL challenge of the day: dates comparison5 RE: DCL Minute of the GMT+1 nite: nr of lines (again) 5 Re: DCL Minute of the GMT+1 nite: nr of lines (again)  Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing  Re: emacs on VMS Re: emacs on VMS, RE: EV8 and McKinley analysis by Paul DeMone  Re: Fibre Channel HBA on OpenVMS" GEMBASE in GS Servers *** HELP ***& Re: GEMBASE in GS Servers *** HELP ***& HobbesNet - free Hobbyist VMS accounts* Re: HobbesNet - free Hobbyist VMS accounts( How to enable a tapedrive for compaction, Re: How to enable a tapedrive for compaction, Re: How to enable a tapedrive for compaction, Re: How to enable a tapedrive for compaction, Re: How to enable a tapedrive for compaction IDENTIFIERs  Re: IDENTIFIERs  Re: IDENTIFIERs  Re: IDENTIFIERs  Re: IDENTIFIERs  Re: IDENTIFIERs  Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles1 Re: Let me know any References for Stock Exchange 1 Re: Let me know any References for Stock Exchange $ List of ECOs combination that works?( Re: List of ECOs combination that works?( Re: List of ECOs combination that works?( Re: List of ECOs combination that works?" Migration off of Knowledge Builder! Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK? ! Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK? ! RE: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK? " Pathworks with Windows 2000 client& Re: Pathworks with Windows 2000 client& Re: Pathworks with Windows 2000 client& Re: Pathworks with Windows 2000 client Re: PGP for OpenVMS?P Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq AcqP Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq AcqP Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq AcqP Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq Acq! Real-time scheduling with sockets % Re: Real-time scheduling with sockets  RWAST 	 Re: RWAST 	 Re: RWAST 	 Re: RWAST 	 Re: RWAST 	 Re: RWAST 	 Re: RWAST 	 Re: RWAST  Re: SOAP on OpenVMS?! Re: Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question... ! Re: Standalone backup question...  SUNGARD and DR RE: SUNGARD and DR RE: SUNGARD and DR TCPIP$FTP hangs in MUTEX state" Re: TCPIP$FTP hangs in MUTEX state" Re: TCPIP$FTP hangs in MUTEX state) Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type - Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type - Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type - Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type - Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type - Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type  test test test UNMESSAGE for Alpha ?   US-NC-Charlotte contract to perm usenet@news.uar.net  Re: VAX Pascal
 vax to tcp/ip  Re: vax to tcp/ip  Re: vax to tcp/ip  What is DTSC in a VMS context 2 Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 30002 Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 30002 RE: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 30005 Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file? 5 Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file? 5 Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:18:31 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk2 Subject: Re: Any virus scan software for VMS smtp?+ Message-ID: <a64tu7$al1$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   h In article <d7791aa1.0203051612.1843853c@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:= >Called Compaq, Sophos and others and can't find a virus scan = >product that runs on vms for vms smtp based mail servers ... : >get the typical "why not put another windoze or linux box8 >in front of vms and run 2 servers?" to which I respond > >why should I be forced to run 2 smtp servers, especially when? >the windoze linux front would be exposing me to the very thing ? >I avoid running a single vms server, shutdowns ... does anyone  >know of anything for vms?  J Sophos should have told you that their product runs on VMS. We use it with( with the PMDF mailserver product on VMS.A See http://www.sophos.com/products/software/antivirus/savvms.html     K Your only problem if you don't use PMDF might be in integrating the product M to scan your incoming Mime encoded mail. PMDF has special inbuilt facilities  M - the conversion channels - which split out each attachment , Mime decodes it G and then allows a program such as a Virus scanner to be run against it. N The Attachment can then be replaced, deleted etc according to what the scanner4 has found and Mime encoding put back on as required.   N I don't know what facilities the various TCPIP stacks (UCX, MULTINET, TCPWARE)/ and software such as MX provide in this regard.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 07:27:22 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)2 Subject: Re: Any virus scan software for VMS smtp?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203060727.681eeb96@posting.google.com>   Q david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<a64tu7$al1$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>... j > In article <d7791aa1.0203051612.1843853c@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:? > >Called Compaq, Sophos and others and can't find a virus scan ? > >product that runs on vms for vms smtp based mail servers ... < > >get the typical "why not put another windoze or linux box: > >in front of vms and run 2 servers?" to which I respond @ > >why should I be forced to run 2 smtp servers, especially whenA > >the windoze linux front would be exposing me to the very thing A > >I avoid running a single vms server, shutdowns ... does anyone  > >know of anything for vms? > L > Sophos should have told you that their product runs on VMS. We use it with* > with the PMDF mailserver product on VMS.C > See http://www.sophos.com/products/software/antivirus/savvms.html  >  > M > Your only problem if you don't use PMDF might be in integrating the product O > to scan your incoming Mime encoded mail. PMDF has special inbuilt facilities  O > - the conversion channels - which split out each attachment , Mime decodes it I > and then allows a program such as a Virus scanner to be run against it. P > The Attachment can then be replaced, deleted etc according to what the scanner6 > has found and Mime encoding put back on as required. >   P > I don't know what facilities the various TCPIP stacks (UCX, MULTINET, TCPWARE)1 > and software such as MX provide in this regard.  >  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  H that's a problem as I just spoke w/Sophos Britain w/their vms expert andE he said vsweep is currently locked to pmdf, but they were considering C doing an smtp version for tcpware/ucx/multinet on vms ... if vms is H going to drive ecommerce, Compaq better get some mail solutions for smtpE instead of everyone having to buy a second mail gateway like pmdf ...    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 10:43:58 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)2 Subject: Re: Any virus scan software for VMS smtp?< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203061043.38cb79c@posting.google.com>   winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A0A7EB.31BADA00@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...? > In article <d7791aa1.0203051612.1843853c@posting.google.com>, , > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > ? > >Called Compaq, Sophos and others and can't find a virus scan ? > >product that runs on vms for vms smtp based mail servers ... < > >get the typical "why not put another windoze or linux box: > >in front of vms and run 2 servers?" to which I respond @ > >why should I be forced to run 2 smtp servers, especially whenA > >the windoze linux front would be exposing me to the very thing A > >I avoid running a single vms server, shutdowns ... does anyone  > >know of anything for vms? > L > Call Sophos back.  Their VSWEEP product runs on VMS.  I tested it a coupleM > of years ago and it worked fine, but they wanted to base the license fee on L > the number of Windows desktops in the lab, which was just way more than I C > could justify, especially when the desktops already ran Inoculan.  > Q > (With the awesome capabilities of VMS batch processing, you can run a .COM file O > that runs WGET every couple of hours to pull down the latest virus definition J > files from Sophos and install them, according to happy customers on the  > INFO-PMDF mailing list.) > 	 > -- Alan  >   J maybe some action ... I just got a call from a US Sophos rep who said they7 are looking at porting their smtp virus scan to vms ...    ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2002 14:46:45 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>? Subject: Re: Anyone See the full page ad letter to Mr. Hewlett? 0 Message-ID: <871yeyyyzu.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:    > Bill Todd wrote:  D > > I'm not sure that's entirely fair to Eckhard, since mergers that7 > > size *are* difficult and he was scarcely given time    D > How much suppport did he have from his board to burden Compaq withF > Digital.  And did that support begin when Pfeifferstarted discussionE > with Palmer 3 years before the merger announcement, or did Pfeiffer @ > secretly meet with Palmer and presented his board with a "fait > accompli" for approval ?  B The Q buyout was rumoured at least 3 years before it happened. Mrs9 Palmer had to cut DEC down to allow Compaq to swallow it.   B BTW, Q had about $3-4B reserves, plus what they have been payed byB intel, plus the Aye payment. So thet chews a large lump out of the effective price HP will pay.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 08:48:20 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ; Subject: Re: best/most flexible preserve VMS files onto CD? 0 Message-ID: <a64l4k$7ka$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  b In article <d0e744c9.0203051416.75258c@posting.google.com>, leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth) writes:B >I have some old TK50 & TK70 tapes that were made with VMS BACKUP.> >I would like to 'restore' these files onto a Microvax II hardD >drive (temporarily), and then ship them to a Windoze PC for burning	 >onto CD.  > A >The unpacked files may be text files, other VMS savesets, etc. -  >a wide mix of stuff.  > ? >The goal is to move them to a Windows burned CD so that in the ? >future I may grab the text files that I need (using Windows or A >Unix), but still be able to (if needed) ship files back to a VAX A >system to get VMS-specific files (such as the .BCK files created  >with VMS BACKUP). > E >I am considering using VMSTAR to create a 'kit' of the tape-restored D >files and then shipping the .tar file (or the G-zipped tar file) to >the PC for CD burning.  > A >For grabbing specific text files WinZip can usually take apart a ' >G-zipped tar set (e.g.  fooey.tar.gz).  > D >Does this sound like a sound approach that will give me full accessD >to saved files under VMS, Windows or Unix? I am going to experimentF >with VMSTAR, GZIP, etc. under VMS before deciding on my final method.  H I suggest you unpack your Backup-savesets and repack them using ZIP withJ the option "-V". This will preserve VMS file attributes. Then transfer theM zipped files in binary mode to your PC and burn an ISO-CD. Newer VMS-Versions G are able to read these CDs, PCs and Unixes do as well. If you restore a F file under VMS use UNZIP for VMS, otherwise use UNZIP for the specific	 platform.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:51:33 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> B Subject: Re: Carl L. (was: Sun eating major helping of Linux Crow)$ Message-ID: <3c86659b$1@news.si.com>  * >there is a memorable response by Carl at:9 >  http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm   I Apparently he used up all his non-four-letter words in that one response.  --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:07:43 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> & Subject: Re: Change name of LSE icon ?$ Message-ID: <3c865b56$1@news.si.com>  4 The values of the Icon and Title bar can be found inL DECW$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:LSE$DEFAULTS.DAT.  If you want to change them, create aK file LSE$DEFAULTS.DAT in your login directory and place in it the following  lines:  J Tpu.Tpu$MainWindow.Title:       Compaq Language-Sensitive Editor:  Compaq Compu B ter Corporation 2000,  Electronic Data Systems Limited 1995, 2000E Tpu.Tpu$MainWindow.ApplicationTitle: Compaq Language-Sensitive Editor ( Tpu.Tpu$MainWindow.IconName:         LSE  > changing, of course, the values above to those you would like. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 09:28:38 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 8 Subject: Clustering beginnings - Clair Grant might know.8 Message-ID: <b9nb8u89lqgp0i6uc8cge241hrtpjkk2kb@4ax.com>  A On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:33:10 +0100, "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>  wrote:  . >Hmm, clustering in 1980 ?  Is that accurate ?  A By 1982 I had seen a presentation on TOPS-20 clustering (CI, star ? couplers, hsc-50 controllers). I believe the TOPS-20 clustering = shipped before that for VMS. but they could have been done in @ parallel. Unfortunately Dan Murphy's TOPS-20 clustering paper at+ http://www.opost.com/dlm/tenex/acmcfs89.txt F does not give dates but I note that Clair Grant is credited as part ofA the TOPS-20 cluster development team and could perhaps provide an F answer. Clair can you comment? Here's what it says at the end of Dan's paper:   "Many other members of theE     TOPS-20 group were involved in completing, testing, and polishing  the E     implementation,  including  Clair  Grant,  Judy Hall, Ron McLean,  Dave%     Lomatire, Tom Moser, and others".   @ Btw, does KLH-10 emulate any of the CI hardware? Can you cluster# TOPS-20 systems under the emulator?c   >Dweeb7 >"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote in messagep" >news:3C83A7E5.7060208@mmaz.com... >> Bob Ceculski wrote: >># >> >isn't this ad 5 years too soon?? >> >- >> >http://www.theinquirer.net/mm25020202.htm  >> > >> >Compaq TV ad to push Itanici >> >' >> >But they're Alphas in Pittsburgh... * >> >By Mike Magee, 03/03/2002 01:20:54 BST >> > >>F >> Compaq seem to like doing these sorts of things.  The recent InformG >> (Spring 2002) that came out spoke of how "Compaq invented clusteringeJ >> concept 22 years ago with OpenVMS clusters."  Humm, does that mean whenI >> I purchased my home I invented garages?  They may own the rights to itaK >> but it seems a bit disingenuous to take credit for the creation of it...E >> >> Barry >> >> >J >> >THE WORD ON THE advertising street is that Compaq is preparing a TV ad; >> >that will have Alpha aficionados fainting in disbelief.eG >> >According to sources so close to Compaq that they're not allowed tosB >> >view the INQUIRER on their PCs, the ad features the Pittsburgh >> >Supercomputing facility. >> >J >> >This facility, of course, demonstrates the fearsome power of the Alpha  >> >in its high end incarnation. >> >I >> >But, we understand, shots of the Pittsburgh site are interleaved with G >> >pictures of an unlidded Compaq Itanium, which of course is shippingu, >> >now after that horrible SNAFU last year. >> >I >> >The director of the center - which uses Alpha technology - is made to J >> >say something along the lines that the incredible computation power ofE >> >his installation proves the superiority of the Itanium processor.t >> >? >> >Which of course it doesn't. And won't for a fair old while.  >> >A >> >Meanwhile, intrepid girl reporter Eva Glass tells us that thekF >> >marketing department(s) at Q are very much afraid that if the HP-QB >> >takeover goes ahead on April Fool's day, most will go, go, go. >> >G >> >That, she understands, means that little in the way of marketing isfI >> >going on, the CVs/resumes are flying like confetti, while "cover yourT! >> >ass" is the order of the day.T >> >I >> >But is having the words Compaq Marketing Specialist on your CV a good0< >> >recommendation for a future job, Eva mischievously asks. >> > >> > >> >> --e >>B >> Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO >>D >> E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028 >> >> >> >V   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2002 11:32:44 -0500( From: "Edward C. Bailey" <ed@redhat.com>< Subject: Re: Clustering beginnings - Clair Grant might know.2 Message-ID: <lflmd5veqb.fsf@pigdog.rdu.redhat.com>  7 >>>>> "Alan" == Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:   G Alan> On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:33:10 +0100, "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>p Alan> wrote:  0 >> Hmm, clustering in 1980 ?  Is that accurate ?  G Alan> By 1982 I had seen a presentation on TOPS-20 clustering (CI, starsE Alan> couplers, hsc-50 controllers). I believe the TOPS-20 clusteringsC Alan> shipped before that for VMS. but they could have been done inu Alan> parallel.t  H Well, in '81 I was working on Galaxy support in MR1, and I recall seeingJ both "NI" and "CI" cables/hardware in the LCG lab, so it certainly existed
 at that time.   K Before and after this time I worked with VMS and I can tell you that "real" H clustering under VMS (ie, shared read/write file acess between differentC cluster members) was quite late -- the functionality that VMS first E supported was simply device access over CI.  No shared read/write wasnE possible because VMS hadn't moved away from ACP processes towards thetJ distributed lock manager approach they eventually implemented to arbitrate shared device access.t  J My recollection was that TOPS-20 clustering did ship before VMS had "real"I clustering; whether it shipped before VMS claimed CI device support, I doVK not know.  My cynical side wonders if VMS' CI device support was rushed outnJ to claim "first support", but I have no data to back that up.  It may haveJ been as simple as the fact that the hardware was ready to be sold, and theE VAX product line had no way to generate sales on this stuff until VMSr; provided at least some level of support for the hardware...u                               Ed -- V> Ed Bailey        Red Hat, Inc.          http://www.redhat.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2002 14:36:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics!t0 Message-ID: <87664ayzg4.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:z  > > In article <1j7h8.297$Nw2.2894@news.get2net.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" > <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> writes:  1 > > Hmm, clustering in 1980 ?  Is that accurate ?e   > 	No.  - > 	According to "VAX OpenVMS at 20", page 60:o   > 	VAX V4 September 1984 - >  > 	o VAXclusters > 	o Connection manager  > 	o Distributed Lock Managert& > 	o Distributed File System (F11BXQP)  8 The first cluster out side of ZK0 was the Fall 83 DECUS.  F For a small, rebooted value of cluster... Well, It was not *that* bad,D but 'robust' did not come to mind. 2 780s (or was it two 785s?  TheyC were anounced there as well.) and a pair of HSC50s. There was a CFS & dual KL10RE Tops-20 system next to it.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:26:35 +0100a, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>3 Subject: DCL challenge of the day: dates comparison-& Message-ID: <3C865F5A.69B3F033@gmx.ch>   yep, me again.  ( The smallest number of lines to do this:  $ enter starting date (JJMMAA): 160302$ enter ending date   (JJMMAA): 080402   1. turn dates to VMS format2# 2. check that dates are valid datese 3. check that d2 >= d11 4. compute nr of days between d1 and d2, included8C 5. set matrix of days per month to 1 where digits are within period:  6                        12345678901234567890123456789017 Example march_array = "0000000000000001111111111111111"m6         april_array = "111111110000000000000000000000"  + Valid for all dates in the year, of course.rI A Swiss chocolate box at Easter for the best solution, shipment included. ; (Hein Van Den Heuvel is *not* admitted to the challenge :-)    D. --  H   ----------------------------------------------------------------------H MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlH Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670H 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418  H Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseH On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:41:31 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca>7 Subject: Re: DCL challenge of the day: dates comparison 4 Message-ID: <2pth8.2334$a04.12427@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  I In other words, you need this somewhere and don't have a good solution ora@ don't have time to do it, and would rather pay someone to do it.0 Is it better to be paid in chocolate or peanuts? Chocolate sure tastes better...  :-)d  > If I find some spare time, I`ll see what I can come up with...   --   SyltremyI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)d> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  I "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> a crit dans le message de news:  3C865F5A.69B3F033@gmx.ch...o > yep, me again. >m* > The smallest number of lines to do this: >i& > enter starting date (JJMMAA): 160302& > enter ending date   (JJMMAA): 080402 >  > 1. turn dates to VMS format % > 2. check that dates are valid datesk > 3. check that d2 >= d13 > 4. compute nr of days between d1 and d2, included2E > 5. set matrix of days per month to 1 where digits are within period( >a8 >                        12345678901234567890123456789019 > Example march_array = "0000000000000001111111111111111"e8 >         april_array = "111111110000000000000000000000" >n- > Valid for all dates in the year, of course.lK > A Swiss chocolate box at Easter for the best solution, shipment included.u= > (Hein Van Den Heuvel is *not* admitted to the challenge :-)c >" > D. > --J >   ----------------------------------------------------------------------J > MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlJ > Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670J > 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 >hJ > Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseJ > On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:38:58 -0000* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>> Subject: RE: DCL Minute of the GMT+1 nite: nr of lines (again)M Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E664@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>   L This is the method I use for getting the record count of an RMS file, but is there a better quicker way?    Regardso   Andrew Robinsono  L +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------+H A PC requires at least 2 reboots and the plug pulling out for 30 seconds daily before it will work.K Swearing will upset and confuse the poor machine and may mean you will haveo to start again.oI Swear really badly, and your machine may require months of therapy to get  over the shock     -----Original Message-----4 From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gerg.tamu.edu] Sent: 06 March 2002 04:09  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy> Subject: Re: DCL Minute of the GMT+1 nite: nr of lines (again)    0 Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes...L }This one is really straightfoward, but very useful to know in a few seconds thatH }you actually have 1251 DCL procedures for a total of 363 711 lines on a disk:n   [...snip...]  " }$ @nr_of_lines dka300:[*...]*.com2 }1251 files and 363711 lines in DKA300:[*...]*.COM }  }D.r  * That's doing it the hard way. Much easier:  % $ search/stat $disk1:[*...]*.com zqzqd  + [cutting out a few NULLFILE informationals]   E Files searched:              1666       Buffered I/O count:     19419nE Records searched:           85594       Direct I/O count:       12403tE Characters searched:      2702673       Page faults:               88 H Records matched:                0       Elapsed CPU time:  0 00:00:05.86H Lines printed:                  0       Elapsed time:      0 00:00:52.43' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matchede  F So 1666 .COM files with 85594 lines (and 2702673 characters - info you can't get the way you did it).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:12:26 -0500n1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>l> Subject: Re: DCL Minute of the GMT+1 nite: nr of lines (again)2 Message-ID: <3C864DFA.A1B8B0BA@firstdbasource.com>   Andrew Robinson wrote: > N > This is the method I use for getting the record count of an RMS file, but is > there a better quicker way?r >   F Anyway you cut it, the only way to get all of this info is to open allE of the files, read each line, get all of the counts (line, character, ; maxreclen etc...) close the file and move to the next file.u  F If you just want to display parts of the output from sear/stat you can get a little more fancy:  @ $pipe sear login.com fdsfa/nowarn/stat | sear sys$input searched  E Files searched:                 1       Buffered I/O count:         7eE Records searched:              67       Direct I/O count:           2dE Characters searched:         2357       Page faults:               28t  B the /nowarn suppresses the annoying "no strings matched" messages.  C If you want to get real fancy a command procedure can be written tot! leave off the buffer i/o.. columng      	 > Regards  >  > Andrew Robinsonl > N > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----------------------+J > A PC requires at least 2 reboots and the plug pulling out for 30 seconds > daily before it will work.M > Swearing will upset and confuse the poor machine and may mean you will havep > to start again.tK > Swear really badly, and your machine may require months of therapy to getn > over the shock >  > -----Original Message-----6 > From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gerg.tamu.edu] > Sent: 06 March 2002 04:09  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp@ > Subject: Re: DCL Minute of the GMT+1 nite: nr of lines (again) > 2 > Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes...N > }This one is really straightfoward, but very useful to know in a few seconds > thatJ > }you actually have 1251 DCL procedures for a total of 363 711 lines on a > disk:  >  > [...snip...] > $ > }$ @nr_of_lines dka300:[*...]*.com4 > }1251 files and 363711 lines in DKA300:[*...]*.COM > }  > }D.| > , > That's doing it the hard way. Much easier: > ' > $ search/stat $disk1:[*...]*.com zqzq- > - > [cutting out a few NULLFILE informationals]0 > G > Files searched:              1666       Buffered I/O count:     19419CG > Records searched:           85594       Direct I/O count:       124039G > Characters searched:      2702673       Page faults:               88/J > Records matched:                0       Elapsed CPU time:  0 00:00:05.86J > Lines printed:                  0       Elapsed time:      0 00:00:52.43) > %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched. > H > So 1666 .COM files with 85594 lines (and 2702673 characters - info you  > can't get the way you did it). > 
 > --- Carl   --   Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com- Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office), 704-236-4377 (Mobile)5   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:09:51 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>s( Subject: Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing$ Message-ID: <3c865bd5$1@news.si.com>  E >Hi, I'm using DCPS 1.2 with TCPIP parameter (P2) to print on a LN17.F/ >At the initialize/que I got an abort error.... F >I tried with OCE copier, no problem at the creating queue but the jobH >never prints and stay on the queue as printing then starting, the queue/ >(which were idle) becomes busy at this moment.w  G Oce's don't support telnet connection like DCPS uses.  They can only doo) Netware (possibly Appletalk) and LPR/LPD.t --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventE< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:19:22 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: emacs on VMSr+ Message-ID: <a651g9$bd1$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>n   In article <craig.berry-9B1728.22383905032002@news.directvinternet.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> writes:: >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEJCEEAA.tom@kednos.com>,& > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote: >o >nJ >Sure, I'd like to see several other porting efforts of the same scope as B >Mozilla or Apache.  Some of particular size and complexity (like J >StarOffice) could probably never happen without sponsorship from Compaq, E >and that won't happen until significant numbers of paying customers e. >present a business case for why they need it. >f  K Looks like Staroffice will never happen. It appears Sun is no longer makingl- it freely available except for Solaris see :-   1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/24192.html    Title :-  2 "Sun to charge for StarOffice (Linux and Windows)"      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:13:00 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>c Subject: Re: emacs on VMSe8 Message-ID: <a65c8u4qhc1ub0n9svt2f92piegvkchsbf@4ax.com>  A On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:19:22 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukb wrote:     >> >>L >Looks like Staroffice will never happen. It appears Sun is no longer making. >it freely available except for Solaris see :-  C Don't panic! StarOffice will be the official Sun supported version.e> OpenOffice (www.openoffice.org) is the new name for the freely/ available version. Similair to Netscape/Mozilla(    2 >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/24192.html >u	 >Title :-> >n3 >"Sun to charge for StarOffice (Linux and Windows)"  >t >a >h >David Webbh >VMS and Unix team leadera >CCSSh >Middlesex Universityo   -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:13:28 +01007 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>e5 Subject: RE: EV8 and McKinley analysis by Paul DeMoneaO Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6D5E@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>o   > 9 > If EV8 had a performance advantage of x% over the same e > vintage Itanium, at ah; > price premium of lots > x%, how many people would buy it?c  K If with EV8 you can build a faster multiprocessor server then with Itanium   processors. Y People will buy that EV8 based server just, because for the same money it's not possible i  to buy an Itanium based server.   A And other point is that we are comparing a tank with a sportscar.aN You can buy tank that runs as fast as a sportscar, but not for the same price.  X But a tank you don't buy, because it is fast, but just because it's cool to have a tank.          a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:16:35 +0100. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si>) Subject: Re: Fibre Channel HBA on OpenVMSp. Message-ID: <Dtph8.972$a%.36131@news.siol.net>   Check tt/ "JRT" <Jrtibbitts@hotmail.com> wrote in message>% news:a63fs1$bjt$1@bob.news.rcn.net...aC > We are in a position where we need to attach our OpenVMS boxes to B > a SAN. We seem to have a problem. We can't get teh system to see+ > the third party storage. Any suggestions?> >s > JR >  >e   Hi,e  ; OpenVMS support only switched fabric (no AL or Quick loops)i  K Usualy you can't see FC storage devices in console mode unles you configurey+ FC devices with wwidmgr utility in console.T  G Check if you can see FC connections on storage and check SSP (selectivee storage presentation) roules.3   best regards, Gorazd     --4 ----------------------------------------------------
 Gorazd Kikelj2 OpenVMS system support Aster d.o.o. e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si www:  www.aster.si   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:27:11 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>+ Subject: GEMBASE in GS Servers *** HELP ***1@ Message-ID: <20020306172711.10414.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>  0 Anyone here is using GEMBASE in GS-80 servers ??, We are trying to know if this software works fine in GS systems.a  0 We will upgrade our AS4100 to a GS-80. Following0 Compaqs license model, it is one machine and we/ will transfer all the licenses from one machine  to the two instances of the GS.w  2 But Ross dont have a model for licensing (upgrade)+ to the GS machines - following my reseller.   . They said : if you will upgrade to a ES-40 no  problem, just pay the transfer.   + But to transfer the license to a GS machinee( (two instances) they dont know how to do, the licensing (ie. in terms of $$$ cost) and. they dont know how the GEMBASE will genereate 3 the licenses codes because it generates it based inr hardware configuration.b, They suppose if I generate the license code 0 in one intance with 4 CPUs and 6 GB RAM, and If 3 i change this configuration using the Galaxy soft.,d! the GEMBASE can stop to run (???)a     Any ideas please ????i       RegardsM   FC r   =====s ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?7 Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!e http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:50:48 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca>/ Subject: Re: GEMBASE in GS Servers *** HELP ***e4 Message-ID: <Mxth8.2340$a04.12523@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  C It all depends on what they base their codes on (CPU, memory, etc).   K I don`t have an answer but would be happy if you could post the answer whena you know it.  L One thing I can say is that I have a cluster licensed, so it is a little bitI like your config, as the 2 don't have the same config (one AS4100 and one. ES40).K All the production runs on the ES40 but I actually run GEM_LICENSE/SEND andhK /RECEIVE on the AS4100, and they issue cluster licenses. And the license is D valid for both nodes. Maybe they can send you some form of "cluster"K clicense that would enable your 2 instances to work? Are they in a cluster? - If #CPU or memory don;t matter that may work.lI I never, ever, send or receive license codes on the ES40 but this machinehH does work with Gembase. I only need to do the GEM_LICENSE STARTUP there.   Just my 2 cents.   --   SyltremnI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais).> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  K "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> a crit dans le message de news: 5 20020306172711.10414.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com...,2 > Anyone here is using GEMBASE in GS-80 servers ??. > We are trying to know if this software works > fine in GS systems.- >-2 > We will upgrade our AS4100 to a GS-80. Following2 > Compaqs license model, it is one machine and we1 > will transfer all the licenses from one machinea! > to the two instances of the GS.0 >g4 > But Ross dont have a model for licensing (upgrade)- > to the GS machines - following my reseller.  >3/ > They said : if you will upgrade to a ES-40 nor! > problem, just pay the transfer.a >a- > But to transfer the license to a GS machine.* > (two instances) they dont know how to do. > the licensing (ie. in terms of $$$ cost) and/ > they dont know how the GEMBASE will genereate 5 > the licenses codes because it generates it based in  > hardware configuration.1- > They suppose if I generate the license code01 > in one intance with 4 CPUs and 6 GB RAM, and If,5 > i change this configuration using the Galaxy soft.,e# > the GEMBASE can stop to run (???)i >a >e > Any ideas please ????d >  >  >l	 > Regards  >. > FC >  > =====- > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazili > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== >w4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?9 > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!l > http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:00:03 +0100 (MET)l9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e/ Subject: HobbesNet - free Hobbyist VMS accounts ; Message-ID: <01KF1O2HF6YQ8Y8HHB@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o  H > Since 1999, HobbesNet has provided VMS hobbyists with free accounts onF > Hobbes, our MicroVAX 3100/40.  Now we are linked via many well known > VMS sites.  G Are hobbyist licenses used?  Is this legal?  My understanding was that tF the hobbyist license was for "personal use" and could not be combined E with an unlimited user license.  Or do all the users have individual . hobbyist licenses?   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 10:03:07 -0600a- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m3 Subject: Re: HobbesNet - free Hobbyist VMS accountsn3 Message-ID: <KJVf03iJ1CbC@eisner.encompasserve.org>A  w In article <01KF1O2HF6YQ8Y8HHB@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: I >> Since 1999, HobbesNet has provided VMS hobbyists with free accounts onfG >> Hobbes, our MicroVAX 3100/40.  Now we are linked via many well known 
 >> VMS sites.  > I > Are hobbyist licenses used?  Is this legal?  My understanding was that eH > the hobbyist license was for "personal use" and could not be combined G > with an unlimited user license.  Or do all the users have individual 1 > hobbyist licenses?  D I don't know what their licensing situation is, but there is nothingB (aside from price) to keep someone from using a commercial license@ for hobbyist purposes.  The minimum cost of a commercial license? is $300 (the transfer fee from someone who want to give you the- machine for free).   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 2002 23:57:43 -0800:' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers) 1 Subject: How to enable a tapedrive for compactionM= Message-ID: <be44b12d.0203052357.6280cf0b@posting.google.com>   > The command sh dev $1$MKF200:/full gives the following output:  J Magtape $1$MKF200: (LNV1), device type TZ89, is online, allocated, record-N     oriented device, file-oriented device, served to cluster via TMSCP Server,H     error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction(     disabled), device supports fastskip.  * How to enable compaction on this tapeunit?  
 Greetings,   Piet Timmers   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:11:51 +0100, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>5 Subject: Re: How to enable a tapedrive for compactiono* Message-ID: <a64j08$b1a$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  4 "Piet Timmers" <piet@timmers-it.nl> wrote in message7 news:be44b12d.0203052357.6280cf0b@posting.google.com...l@ > The command sh dev $1$MKF200:/full gives the following output: >eL > Magtape $1$MKF200: (LNV1), device type TZ89, is online, allocated, record-H >     oriented device, file-oriented device, served to cluster via TMSCP Server,eJ >     error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction* >     disabled), device supports fastskip. >o, > How to enable compaction on this tapeunit? >  > Greetings, >: > Piet Timmers  7 Have a look at HELP MOUNT /MEDIA and HELP BACKUP /MEDIA    HTH,  	 Bart Zornt   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 08:20:23 GMTa) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)l5 Subject: Re: How to enable a tapedrive for compactionr' Message-ID: <a64jg7$q0r$1@joe.rice.edu>   ( Piet Timmers (piet@timmers-it.nl) wrote:@ : The command sh dev $1$MKF200:/full gives the following output: :dL : Magtape $1$MKF200: (LNV1), device type TZ89, is online, allocated, record-P :     oriented device, file-oriented device, served to cluster via TMSCP Server,J :     error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction* :     disabled), device supports fastskip. : , : How to enable compaction on this tapeunit? :p  ? Use the "MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION" qualifier on the INITIALIZE,  ! MOUNT, and BACKUP commands; e.g.:   @   $ INITIALIZE/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION  $1$MKF200:  <tape label>0   $ MOUNT/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/FOR $1$MKF200:   and   "   $ BACKUP/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 06:04:25 -0800u' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers)n5 Subject: Re: How to enable a tapedrive for compactiont= Message-ID: <be44b12d.0203060604.6904f8a9@posting.google.com>h  D Both reactions are correct, but are for tapes, not how to enable theA controller for compaction. The problem is, we use the commands asaF media=compation, but this does not work because the controller has not compaction enabled.a  
 Greetings,   Piet Timmers  X leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote in message news:<a64jg7$q0r$1@joe.rice.edu>...* > Piet Timmers (piet@timmers-it.nl) wrote:B > : The command sh dev $1$MKF200:/full gives the following output: > : N > : Magtape $1$MKF200: (LNV1), device type TZ89, is online, allocated, record-R > :     oriented device, file-oriented device, served to cluster via TMSCP Server,L > :     error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction, > :     disabled), device supports fastskip. > :y. > : How to enable compaction on this tapeunit? > :w > A > Use the "MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION" qualifier on the INITIALIZE,  # > MOUNT, and BACKUP commands; e.g.:- > B >   $ INITIALIZE/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION  $1$MKF200:  <tape label>2 >   $ MOUNT/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/FOR $1$MKF200: >  > andp > $ >   $ BACKUP/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION > 6 > --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:34:17 +0000b% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>h5 Subject: Re: How to enable a tapedrive for compactioni8 Message-ID: <pigc8u8ads45o4goe0e6jf2bbr0g0uum51@4ax.com>  F On 6 Mar 2002 06:04:25 -0800, piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers) wrote:  E >Both reactions are correct, but are for tapes, not how to enable the B >controller for compaction. The problem is, we use the commands asG >media=compation, but this does not work because the controller has noty >compaction enabled.  F With VMS 7.,2-1 unpatched there were some problems relating to densityA and compaction. There's at least one patch kit addressing this. A6A quick search of our installed patches release notes shows severaliF references to incorrect compaction selection and display under variousF circumstances. Might be worth a check if you are on 7.2-1 and possiblyB other versions. I'd also use the drives front panel to verify thatB compaction isn't actually on even though the display says disabled  F The controller *does* obey a compaction command from VMS if everythingF is working properly and it *does* say compaction disabled if the driveC is not in use but will change when a tape is actually in use. Or at:D least that's what happens with us but we did have problems initiallyB triggered by a certain sequence of backup, mount and init commands/ prior to installing all recommended patch kits.    >Greetings,i >e
 >Piet Timmers  > Y >leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote in message news:<a64jg7$q0r$1@joe.rice.edu>...r+ >> Piet Timmers (piet@timmers-it.nl) wrote:-C >> : The command sh dev $1$MKF200:/full gives the following output:2 >> :O >> : Magtape $1$MKF200: (LNV1), device type TZ89, is online, allocated, record-cS >> :     oriented device, file-oriented device, served to cluster via TMSCP Server,uM >> :     error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compactione- >> :     disabled), device supports fastskip.C >> :/ >> : How to enable compaction on this tapeunit?  >> : >> tB >> Use the "MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION" qualifier on the INITIALIZE, $ >> MOUNT, and BACKUP commands; e.g.: >>  C >>   $ INITIALIZE/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION  $1$MKF200:  <tape label>y3 >>   $ MOUNT/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/FOR $1$MKF200:  >>   >> and >>  % >>   $ BACKUP/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTIONs >>  7 >> --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)d   -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:09:39 +0100, From: "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> Subject: IDENTIFIERs. Message-ID: <a65bfs$sfg$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>   Hello,  4 How can I get a list of all IDENTIFIERs on my system (OpenVMS V7.2-1)?2   Thanks,x
 Hamid Bourchi:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:20:48 +0100c9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>c Subject: Re: IDENTIFIERs' Message-ID: <3C8633D0.BC7269C7@aaa.com>w   $ set def sys$system $ run authorizeE UAF> show /identifier * =   Name                             Value           Attributes  ...e ...r ...h   Jan-Erik Sderholm   Hamid Bourchi wrote: >  > Hello, > 6 > How can I get a list of all IDENTIFIERs on my system > (OpenVMS V7.2-1)?e > 	 > Thanks,t > Hamid Bourchi    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:21:40 -0500e1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>. Subject: Re: IDENTIFIERs2 Message-ID: <3C863404.5A0F2190@firstdbasource.com>   UAF> list/right/user=*$ %UAF-I-LSTMSG1, writing listing file4 %UAF-I-RLSTMSG, listing file RIGHTSLIST.LIS complete     Hamid Bourchi wrote: >  > Hello, > 6 > How can I get a list of all IDENTIFIERs on my system > (OpenVMS V7.2-1)?v > 	 > Thanks,- > Hamid Bourchi-   --   Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163i7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com8 Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)  704-236-4377 (Mobile):   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:29:27 +0100, From: "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: IDENTIFIERs. Message-ID: <a65g5h$1j4$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>   Thanks Michael, Jan-Erik  K But I think with LIST/RIGHT/USER= * (or SHOW/IDENTIFIER *) I can just get ae5 list of all GRANTed IDENTIFIERs and not a list of alloK ADDed (created) IDENTIFIERs. Asumming de possibility of ADDing a IDENTIFIERuA without GRANTing it. What i am looking for is a list of all ADDed)A IDENTIFIERs on my system, regardless of whom are they GRANTed to.M   Hamid,  @ "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> schreef in bericht, news:3C863404.5A0F2190@firstdbasource.com... > UAF> list/right/user=*& > %UAF-I-LSTMSG1, writing listing file6 > %UAF-I-RLSTMSG, listing file RIGHTSLIST.LIS complete >1 >1 > Hamid Bourchi wrote: > >.
 > > Hello, > >o8 > > How can I get a list of all IDENTIFIERs on my system > > (OpenVMS V7.2-1)?n > >a > > Thanks,  > > Hamid Bourchi% >o > --
 > Regards, >u9 > Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 9 > First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comh > Sr. Consultant > 704-947-1089 (Office)a > 704-236-4377 (Mobile)e >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:33:57 -0500g1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>u Subject: Re: IDENTIFIERs2 Message-ID: <3C8644F5.53F70F37@firstdbasource.com>  $ $define sysuaf sys$system:sysuaf.dat $uaf :== $authorizea $define sys$output x.x $uaf show/id * $deas sys$output $sear x.x "%X"	 $del x.x;5     Hamid Bourchi wrote: >  > Thanks Michael, Jan-Erik > M > But I think with LIST/RIGHT/USER= * (or SHOW/IDENTIFIER *) I can just get a.7 > list of all GRANTed IDENTIFIERs and not a list of all M > ADDed (created) IDENTIFIERs. Asumming de possibility of ADDing a IDENTIFIERwC > without GRANTing it. What i am looking for is a list of all ADDedoC > IDENTIFIERs on my system, regardless of whom are they GRANTed to.s >  > Hamid, > B > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> schreef in bericht. > news:3C863404.5A0F2190@firstdbasource.com... > > UAF> list/right/user=*( > > %UAF-I-LSTMSG1, writing listing file8 > > %UAF-I-RLSTMSG, listing file RIGHTSLIST.LIS complete > >  > >o > > Hamid Bourchi wrote: > > >t > > > Hello, > > >o: > > > How can I get a list of all IDENTIFIERs on my system > > > (OpenVMS V7.2-1)?- > > > 
 > > > Thanks,  > > > Hamid Bourchit > >e > > -- > > Regards, > >k; > > Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163-; > > First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comi > > Sr. Consultant > > 704-947-1089 (Office)G > > 704-236-4377 (Mobile)L > >1   -- g Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163h7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.como Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)S 704-236-4377 (Mobile)p   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 12:01:31 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: IDENTIFIERs3 Message-ID: <BjILdNQ$ThcG@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  ] In article <a65g5h$1j4$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>, "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> writes:y > Thanks Michael, Jan-Erik > M > But I think with LIST/RIGHT/USER= * (or SHOW/IDENTIFIER *) I can just get aa7 > list of all GRANTed IDENTIFIERs and not a list of allhM > ADDed (created) IDENTIFIERs. Asumming de possibility of ADDing a IDENTIFIER C > without GRANTing it. What i am looking for is a list of all ADDeddC > IDENTIFIERs on my system, regardless of whom are they GRANTed to.n  F If you're concerned that SHOW /IDENTIFIER * will miss identifiers thatE have not been granted to any users, that's a non-issue.  That command . will show you all identifiers, granted or not.  ? If you're concerned that SHOW /IDENTIFIER * will show you grant D information when all you care about is existence information, that's' a non-issue.  Use the /BRIEF qualifier._  F You might reasonably be concerned that the list of identifiers includeG only ID format and not UIC format identifiers.  As suggested elsewhere,-D you could search the generated listing file for "%X" to capture only? the identifier format identifiers and skip the UIC format ones.   D You might possibly be concerned that the list of identifiers includeD only site-specific identifier names and skip the built in names suchC as "LOCAL", "REMOTE" and "VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER".  You could searchs? the generated listing file for %X and then search the resulting ? file for %X8000 and SYS$NODE_ with a /MATCH=NOR to weed out the  built-in stuff.v   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 02:46:56 -0500c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h Subject: Re: Itanium troublesr, Message-ID: <3C85C969.CCCE47E1@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:A > As someone who knows nothing about this subject, I'd appreciate L > clarification (a bit off-topic though it may be) of how one can have a fewL > million objects in a scene that uses less than 2 million pixels per frame.  4 A physical object is made out of multiple objects.    N Look at a Nokia 61** mobile phone, for instance. Each button would be at leastJ one object, (18 objects right there), the earpeace/speaker has 3 slots, soL that is at least 3 objects (used to "cut" the plastic),  the antenna stub isN an object, the LCR display would be one object, the glass over it would be oneH object (perhaps 2 depending how the software lets you texture map glass)  J You'd need at least 10 opjects to render the connectors on the bottom. And+ then, you need probably 2-3 for the casing..  M Now, imagine a scene where you are rendering a crowd in an airport with a fewlJ people holding cellphones to their ears. While the image may not show muchJ detail of their cell phone, you'd had all these details in the database soN that when the camera zooms in on one person, the details of his/her phone willJ become visible and you can then zoom all the way to the LCD to display the" number the person has just dialed.  E In the crowd scene, you'd have a whole bunch of objects present, eachdK contributing to the scene, but not necessarily revealing any details due toeL image resolution. And you'd have objects that are hidden perhaps temporarily1 during the animation but those are still present.6   if you look at  ! http://pages.infinit.net/jfmezei/h  F The image of australia itself consists of 2 objects. A flat ocean, andJ australia's elevation profile. There is an underwater portion which is not% visible because the ocean is over it.r  K The profile of australia was generated from a mesh created with 205 vectors.N each with 251 3-d points. When skinned, this creates a structure full of smallM flat polygons (in this image, I can't remember the number, but I think it was  about 200,000 polygons).  M The line showing my trip was created from about 40,000 points collected on my H GPS (one per minute), and simplified mathematically to about 203 points.I However, when projected onto the 3d surface of australia, this "flat" 2038M points is broken down to match the coutour. Can't remember how many points ithG was broken onto. And then, the line was transformed into a 3d cylinder,r& generating a great deal many polygons.  I The DXF representation of australia takes 6000 blocks, even thout the jpgtS image is just a few dozen kilobytes. In the 3d software on my mac, it takes 15 meg.i    I Now, this is a very simple image. Consider a movie such as  Monster's Inc M where each hair of the monster is an objecrt with probably a few points in itgG (and interesting texture mapping). The monster alone probably had a fewi million objects.   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2002 08:58:33 +0100& From: "Ketil Malde" <ketil+@ii.uib.no> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesy. Message-ID: <egzo1mf7py.fsf@sefirot.ii.uib.no>  < "Scandora, Anthony \(35048\)" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> writes:  K > I always though of SGI as a graphics leader, but eWeek (2/4/02 p.14) saysSE > Pixar and DreamWorks are both in the process of moving from Irix toa > Linux.  # One might say that "so is SGI". :-)"  J > DreamWorks is collaborating with HP on IA-64:  "This will be the world'sK > first IA-64 render farm, giving DreamWorks' artists the ability to createaC > larger, more complex images," said co-founder Jeffrey Katzenberg.c  F Any time frame?  Are they waiting for McKinley, or an even later chip, or are they using Itanium?   -kzm -- eH If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2002 09:09:14 +0100& From: "Ketil Malde" <ketil+@ii.uib.no> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles . Message-ID: <egvgcaf785.fsf@sefirot.ii.uib.no>  , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  E >> Various people who should know have indicated in rendering relateda4 >> newsgroups that the resolution is under 1600x1200  : I don't remember the source, but I read somewhere that forF "acceptable" photo quality, about 4k lines were required.  (Of course,: you can get by with less, with movement and blurring etc.)  E >> You can, or will soon anyway, have billions of objects in a movie,e0 >> and at least a few million in a single scene.  A > As someone who knows nothing about this subject, I'd appreciateZL > clarification (a bit off-topic though it may be) of how one can have a fewL > million objects in a scene that uses less than 2 million pixels per frame.L > I understand that not every object will necessarily appear in every frame,2 > but it still seems unlikely on the face of it...  F One would assume that a complex object (e.g. a tree) you will only seeC a small fraction of its parts (e.g. the leaves towards the camera),,B but you still need to calculate exactly *which* parts are visible.C This calculation might require access to the whole object, so whilec? the ray tracing or whatever may not need a large address space,u geometry calculation might.    (Also as someone who KNATS. :-)    -kzm -- aH If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2002 11:02:56 +01005 From: Holger Bettag <hobold@informatik.uni-bremen.de>r Subject: Re: Itanium troublesg9 Message-ID: <8x7koqm2sv.fsf@nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:t   >  > Greg Lindahl wrote:aI > > Funny how no one's yet asked "Do rendering farms needs 64 bit address + > > spaces?" Pixar's current farm does not.r > O > Does anyone know what image size is used when they do a final rendering for a . > 70mm film (or an IMAX one for that matter) ? >pJ Larry Gritz, programmer of the Blue Moon Rendering Tools (BMRT), currentlyG working at Pixar, has repeatedly stated that splitting up the renderingBH process into layers of background, still foreground, and moving objects,N with later compositing, was in part driven by the sheer geometrical complexityK of the scenes. It was sometimes not possible to hold all elements in memoryt. simultaneously, not even in the address space.  O He also mentioned that under ideal circumstances, the chain of film, projector,:L and screen offers a resolution on the order of 4000 by 1800 pixels, but mostC actual theaters don't go much beyond a 2K resolution. He prided therL sophisticated anti-aliasing of Pixar's rendering software and mentioned thatH A Bug's Life was rendered at below 1600 pixels of horizontal resolution.  J During the same thread (on comp.graphics.rendering.raytracing) an employeeG of Pacific Data Images hinted that Antz was rendered at a 2K horizontaloJ resolution. IMHO, if you inspect the DVD-version of Shrek, you do see that> PDI's anti-aliasing indeed has some room for improvement left.     Holger   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:02:56 +08005 From: Holger Bettag <hobold@informatik.uni-bremen.de>a Subject: Re: Itanium troublesoJ Message-ID: <BCED9767330536479E416EFC52D3F9B9028E011E@pfs01.ex.nus.edu.sg>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1C4F6.204EE5C8  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"=  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:E   >  > Greg Lindahl wrote:MA > > Funny how no one's yet asked "Do rendering farms needs 64 bit  addresse+ > > spaces?" Pixar's current farm does not.  > ? > Does anyone know what image size is used when they do a final0 rendering for ae. > 70mm film (or an IMAX one for that matter) ? >e@ Larry Gritz, programmer of the Blue Moon Rendering Tools (BMRT),	 currently@G working at Pixar, has repeatedly stated that splitting up the renderingsH process into layers of background, still foreground, and moving objects,C with later compositing, was in part driven by the sheer geometricala
 complexityD of the scenes. It was sometimes not possible to hold all elements in memory. simultaneously, not even in the address space.  D He also mentioned that under ideal circumstances, the chain of film,
 projector,G and screen offers a resolution on the order of 4000 by 1800 pixels, bute mostC actual theaters don't go much beyond a 2K resolution. He prided theuG sophisticated anti-aliasing of Pixar's rendering software and mentionedn thatH A Bug's Life was rendered at below 1600 pixels of horizontal resolution.  A During the same thread (on comp.graphics.rendering.raytracing) an  employeeG of Pacific Data Images hinted that Antz was rendered at a 2K horizontalpE resolution. IMHO, if you inspect the DVD-version of Shrek, you do sees that> PDI's anti-aliasing indeed has some room for improvement left.     Holger    ' ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1C4F6.204EE5C8  Content-Type: message/rfc822   Path: pfs21.ex.nus.edu.sg!ocean.singnet.com.sg!mawar.singnet.com.sg!mango.singnet.com.sg!newsfeed!enews.sgi.com!proxad.net!freenix!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news-fra.pop.de!informatik.uni-bremen.de!not-for-maile/ NNTP-Posting-Host: nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.dec0 Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.sys.intel,comp.os.vms5 From: Holger Bettag <hobold@informatik.uni-bremen.de>t Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 9 Message-ID: <8x7koqm2sv.fsf@nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de>e% Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:02:56 +0800 : MIME-Version: 1.0i	 Lines: 30cN X-Newsreader: Microsoft (R) Exchange Internet News Service Version 5.5.2653.11+ Organization: Universitaet Bremen, Germany.o References: <CM1XV0R337295.8886574074@frog.gilgamesh.org><a62s3m$8ql$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov> <3C852251.89911B1E@videotron.ca><3C856D3E.630D2EEB@igs.net> <3c858410$1@news.meer.net><3C858ADB.E8420842@videotron.ca>b Content-Type: text/plain;R 	charset="iso-8859-1"K  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M   >  > Greg Lindahl wrote:rA > > Funny how no one's yet asked "Do rendering farms needs 64 bit- address-+ > > spaces?" Pixar's current farm does not.0 > ? > Does anyone know what image size is used when they do a finalE rendering for a-. > 70mm film (or an IMAX one for that matter) ? > @ Larry Gritz, programmer of the Blue Moon Rendering Tools (BMRT),	 currentlyhG working at Pixar, has repeatedly stated that splitting up the rendering H process into layers of background, still foreground, and moving objects,C with later compositing, was in part driven by the sheer geometricala
 complexityD of the scenes. It was sometimes not possible to hold all elements in memory. simultaneously, not even in the address space.  D He also mentioned that under ideal circumstances, the chain of film,
 projector,G and screen offers a resolution on the order of 4000 by 1800 pixels, but- mostC actual theaters don't go much beyond a 2K resolution. He prided the G sophisticated anti-aliasing of Pixar's rendering software and mentioneds thatH A Bug's Life was rendered at below 1600 pixels of horizontal resolution.  A During the same thread (on comp.graphics.rendering.raytracing) ant employeeG of Pacific Data Images hinted that Antz was rendered at a 2K horizontalrE resolution. IMHO, if you inspect the DVD-version of Shrek, you do see  that> PDI's anti-aliasing indeed has some room for improvement left.     Holger  ' ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1C4F6.204EE5C8x Content-Type: message/rfc822   Path: nus.edu.sg!ocean.singnet.com.sg!mawar.singnet.com.sg!mango.singnet.com.sg!newsfeed!enews.sgi.com!proxad.net!freenix!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news-fra.pop.de!informatik.uni-bremen.de!not-for-mail/ NNTP-Posting-Host: nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de 0 Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.sys.intel,comp.os.vms5 From: Holger Bettag <hobold@informatik.uni-bremen.de>  Subject: Re: Itanium troublese9 Message-ID: <8x7koqm2sv.fsf@nmh.informatik.uni-bremen.de>o% Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:02:56 +0800   MIME-Version: 1.0D	 Lines: 30TN X-Newsreader: Microsoft (R) Exchange Internet News Service Version 5.5.2653.11+ Organization: Universitaet Bremen, Germany.t References: <CM1XV0R337295.8886574074@frog.gilgamesh.org><a62s3m$8ql$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov> <3C852251.89911B1E@videotron.ca><3C856D3E.630D2EEB@igs.net> <3c858410$1@news.meer.net><3C858ADB.E8420842@videotron.ca>  Content-Type: text/plain;e 	charset="iso-8859-1"e  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:    >  > Greg Lindahl wrote:tA > > Funny how no one's yet asked "Do rendering farms needs 64 bit  address + > > spaces?" Pixar's current farm does not.  > ? > Does anyone know what image size is used when they do a finalB rendering for a . > 70mm film (or an IMAX one for that matter) ? > @ Larry Gritz, programmer of the Blue Moon Rendering Tools (BMRT),	 currently-G working at Pixar, has repeatedly stated that splitting up the rendering<H process into layers of background, still foreground, and moving objects,C with later compositing, was in part driven by the sheer geometricald
 complexityD of the scenes. It was sometimes not possible to hold all elements in memory. simultaneously, not even in the address space.  D He also mentioned that under ideal circumstances, the chain of film,
 projector,G and screen offers a resolution on the order of 4000 by 1800 pixels, but  mostC actual theaters don't go much beyond a 2K resolution. He prided theDG sophisticated anti-aliasing of Pixar's rendering software and mentionedt thatH A Bug's Life was rendered at below 1600 pixels of horizontal resolution.  A During the same thread (on comp.graphics.rendering.raytracing) anm employeeG of Pacific Data Images hinted that Antz was rendered at a 2K horizontal/E resolution. IMHO, if you inspect the DVD-version of Shrek, you do seeM that> PDI's anti-aliasing indeed has some room for improvement left.     Holger  ) ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1C4F6.204EE5C8--e   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 05:35 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o Subject: Re: Itanium troublesd, Message-ID: <6MAR200205350093@gerg.tamu.edu>  . "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes...5 }"Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in messaget' }news:5MAR200222522790@gerg.tamu.edu...-8 }> In article <3C858ADB.E8420842@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei) }<jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...iK }> }Does anyone know what image size is used when they do a final rendering4 }for a0 }> }70mm film (or an IMAX one for that matter) ? }>E }> Various people who should know have indicated in rendering relatedsF }> newsgroups that the resolution is under 1600x1200 (although I don'tA }> recall anyone mentioning IMAX - they might do that at a higher"H }> resolution than is usual). It aparently varys from company to companyH }> and from movie to movie. They antialias the bejeebers out of it so it$ }> looks smooth even when projected. }  }....  } E }> You can, or will soon anyway, have billions of objects in a movie,o0 }> and at least a few million in a single scene. } @ }As someone who knows nothing about this subject, I'd appreciateK }clarification (a bit off-topic though it may be) of how one can have a fewIK }million objects in a scene that uses less than 2 million pixels per frame.hK }I understand that not every object will necessarily appear in every frame,o1 }but it still seems unlikely on the face of it...i }  }- billr  4 Well, I am not exactly an expert in this area but...  D Distant objects may only fill part of a pixel. The renderer will tryH to do the right thing and blend them (which is part of the antialiasing,E the whole point of which is to remove the effects of point sampling alG continuous thing - be it real reality or simulated reality - preferablyiJ by switching to a rendering method that doesn't actually do point samplingI to create the pixels). Then there's transparency: you can see some thingsfI through other things. And there's shadows: you can get shadows on objectsEC from objects you can't directly see and they have to be calculated.%C Reflections may be used as well, on occasion. But the net effect isaI that each pixel in the output can get it's final coloration from multiple-G objects. (And we won't even consider the whole diffuse lighting thing.)M  A You're also likely to get some (or possibly lots of) objects that @ don't actually appear in the output, or cast visible shadows andC such. I expect that it is better to send some stuff to the renderer E that turns out not to show up due to the details of the setup for thefC frame than it is to leave something out. If at least part of a tree D is in the scene, do they send only the visible parts or do they sendH the whole tree or something inbetween? I don't actually know. AccountingC for the positioning of things that can move, such as the characters3F in the movie who block the scenery behind them, can also be relativelyB difficult - the more static scenery can have it's data arranged toE facilitate the culling, but most of those arrangements of the data doaH not take moveable things into account all that well. How much horsepowerE do you want to put into the selection of what to send? You don't want H you render farm sitting around doing nothing but waiting for your serverE to do a very tight culling job, I bet. I'm not sure, but I think theyaG don't currently cull all that extensively at the geometry server stage.aG You'd have to ask someone who actually works with the stuff to know fordD sure. The better you cull, the faster you render. But the better youF cull, the slower you cull and every one of those renderers in the farmG needs their geometry info when they are ready to start work on the next  frame.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Mar 2002 07:02:22 -0500# From: Chris Morgan <cm@mihalis.net>  Subject: Re: Itanium troublesi( Message-ID: <86elixkipd.fsf@mihalis.net>  * nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) writes:  D > Do you have any evidence for the assumption that Intel are copyingE > AMD's design?  A lot of people seem to assume it, but I can find no B > evidence for it - there is no obvious reason that it couldn't be, > an incompatible 64-bit extension to IA-32.  E There was a substantial discussion on just this topic only a month orcC so ago. In fact there is some evidence and it's not hard to find if' you know where to look :  , http://www.google.com/search?q=intel+yamhill -- e Chris Morgan  &    "Not so bad offer to discuss about"  ( 		- Best recent email spam subject line    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:05:30 +0100t* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesh/ Message-ID: <3C86222A.4020207@brussels.sgi.com>    Peter Boyle wrote:J > Ermm... remember that the Itanic debuted at the top of the SPEC-FP list." > Mckinley on FP may surprise you.  7 Unfortunately, rendering is (unintuitively) rather moremB integer-intensive. At least for Maya, SoftImage, 3D Studio Max and
 Renderman.  ! > For a render farm the itanic isa% > easily competetive in performance.    C Well, I'd have to disagree. Intel certainly has good performers forp> render farms, but my experience suggests that Itanium (or even@ McKinley) wouldn't be *my* Intel chip of choice for renderfarms.  > In fact, Origin 300 (with MIPS processors) probably has betterG price/perf than Itanium (and perhaps even McKinley) clusters for renderp farms.   -- i? <these messages express my own views, not those of my employer>w) Alexis Cousein				Senior Systems Engineerp. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:08:03 +0100.* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesi/ Message-ID: <3C8622C3.4020109@brussels.sgi.com>s   Paul DeMone wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:r > [...]  > M >>From the Pixar and Dreamworks perspective, I strongly suspect that they areeJ >>being paid handsomely to burden themselves with IA64. When push comes toK >>shove, I suspect that they will get a real machine to make the big motionsO >>pictures and relegate the IA64 to their training department that doesn't neede >>all the raw horsepower.0 >> > K > I think you are being unduely harsh on IA64 in this instance. EPIC/VLIW's ; > center of strength is in numeric intensive applications. e  A Rendering in render farms is certainly numeric intensive, but nott floating point intensive.>         -- h? <these messages express my own views, not those of my employer>c) Alexis Cousein				Senior Systems Engineerl. SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:40:39 +0000, From: Peter Boyle <pboyle@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesaH Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0203061436190.19910-100000@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>  ) On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Alexis Cousein wrote:l   > Peter Boyle wrote:L > > Ermm... remember that the Itanic debuted at the top of the SPEC-FP list.$ > > Mckinley on FP may surprise you. > 9 > Unfortunately, rendering is (unintuitively) rather morelD > integer-intensive. At least for Maya, SoftImage, 3D Studio Max and > Renderman.  D I'm surprised since I thought there were lots of 4x4 multiplies, but- will cede the point since you're from SGI! ;)r  # > > For a render farm the itanic is & > > easily competetive in performance.  @ > In fact, Origin 300 (with MIPS processors) probably has betterI > price/perf than Itanium (and perhaps even McKinley) clusters for rendere > farms.  D I deliberately didn't mention price, since I don't think we can evenC approximately know what they paid. Consequently all that may matter > is can they get decent aggregate performance from the cluster,) without an unbearable level of "niggles".k  $ Peter Boyle	pboyle@physics.gla.ac.uk    A > <these messages express my own views, not those of my employer> + > Alexis Cousein				Senior Systems Engineers0 > SGI Belgium and Luxemburg		al@brussels.sgi.com >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:56:30 +0100s( From: Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesw, Message-ID: <vma56a.ul1.ln@miriam.mikron.de>   JF Mezei wrote: C > The DXF representation of australia takes 6000 blocks, even thouteD > the jpg image is just a few dozen kilobytes. In the 3d software on > my mac, it takes 15 meg.  / Hm, a height map might be more space efficient.g  = > Now, this is a very simple image. Consider a movie such as rA > Monster's Inc where each hair of the monster is an objecrt witheD > probably a few points in it (and interesting texture mapping). The3 > monster alone probably had a few million objects.t  E I don't think this is an efficient solution to the hair problem. I'd fC rather describe hair as a single object (at least a bunch of hairs lE that curl in the same direction). This object would intersect like a iF number of parametrized curved lines. The calculation for such a thing E is rather trivial. You have a (probably bent) hull around the hairs,  A which is tested first. If there's an intersection, you perform a  F nonlinear transformation of the crossing line so that the hull itself ; becomes straight. Now you just have to search which of the oC (identical, but translated) hairs you hit. The translations can be rF coverd by a modulo on the entering coordinates. Given that you can do F a lot of nonlinear stuff on entering the hull, this should allow even F quite natural curls and such like (but to look natural, not all hairs D are alike; the outer ones reflect scene light, while the inner ones  mostly reflect other hairs).   -- d Bernd Paysan7 "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"t http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 16:17:49 GMTs) From: pmf@astro.cf.ac.uk (Phillip Fayers)e Subject: Re: Itanium troublesg- Message-ID: <a65ffd$993$1@mannews.swan.ac.uk>k  [ In article <a63atj$6s8$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) writes: I >In article <Pine.GSO.4.33.0203051953490.12895-100000@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>,n/ >Peter Boyle  <pboyle@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:t% >>On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, JF Mezei wrote:t& >>> "Scandora, Anthony (35048)" wrote:O >>> > I always though of SGI as a graphics leader, but eWeek (2/4/02 p.14) sayssP >>> > Pixar and DreamWorks are both in the process of moving from Irix to Linux.3 >>> > DreamWorks is collaborating with HP on IA-64:m  J Pixars render farm has been Sun for some time.  I'd guess that the desktop> machines were SGIs though, maybe that's what's going at Pixar?  F >The remarks about the Montecito a week or so earlier were interestingB >but bizarre - I have great difficulty in believing that the AlphaA >people and technology can be got on board fast enough to deliver2B >much of consequence (let alone EPIC+SMT) in 2004.  But it is wellE >known that executives confuse easily, even when they aren't spinningb >a line.  B I thought that they said that Alpha technology would exist in someD chip by 2004.  That doesn't have to mean that work from Alpha has toC moved over by then, just that a chip which is due in 2004 will haveyD technology which could currently be described as `Alpha Technology'.E Hasn't there been a patent sharing agreement between Compaq and Intel-F in place for sometime?  Since DEC sold their fab to Intel before beingF taken over by Compaq?  Am I remembering that sequence of events right?   -- oE Phillip Fayers, SunAdmin/Support/Programming/Postmaster/Webmaster(TM)fE Dept of Physics & Astronomy, University of Wales, College of Cardiff.PE P.Fayers@astro.cf.ac.uk     Attribute these comments to me, not UWCC.p   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:35:07 +0000, From: Peter Boyle <pboyle@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Itanium troublestH Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0203061626480.19910-100000@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>  H > >The remarks about the Montecito a week or so earlier were interestingD > >but bizarre - I have great difficulty in believing that the AlphaC > >people and technology can be got on board fast enough to delivermD > >much of consequence (let alone EPIC+SMT) in 2004.  But it is wellG > >known that executives confuse easily, even when they aren't spinningn
 > >a line. >aD > I thought that they said that Alpha technology would exist in someF > chip by 2004.  That doesn't have to mean that work from Alpha has toE > moved over by then, just that a chip which is due in 2004 will haverF > technology which could currently be described as `Alpha Technology'.G > Hasn't there been a patent sharing agreement between Compaq and InteltH > in place for sometime?  Since DEC sold their fab to Intel before beingH > taken over by Compaq?  Am I remembering that sequence of events right?  A I would guess if there is "alpha  technology" Intel is after (fornI purpose other than ritual sacrifice), then on that time scale it may wellh1 be the cache coherency protocol and interconnect, $ rather than a whole new core design.  8 This is much closer to being a bolt-on addition, and has@ helps IA-64 move into the market Intel has been proposing for it6 (and allows an even bigger premium to be charged :( ).   Petere   > --G > Phillip Fayers, SunAdmin/Support/Programming/Postmaster/Webmaster(TM)eG > Dept of Physics & Astronomy, University of Wales, College of Cardiff.gG > P.Fayers@astro.cf.ac.uk     Attribute these comments to me, not UWCC.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:53:40 GMTs. From: "aaron spink" <aaronspink@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesaF Message-ID: <oQrh8.40085$ZC3.3169163@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  1 "Greg Lindahl" <lindahl@pbm.com> wrote in messages  news:3c858410$1@news.meer.net...G > Funny how no one's yet asked "Do rendering farms needs 64 bit addresst) > spaces?" Pixar's current farm does not.g >eE Are you sure?  Define "need".  I have at least heard some interestingeK stories of issues they have had with <4GB machine do to virtual memory sizeoG issues, and I have heard that in the future they believe they will needaJ >>4GB.  Now it may be an issue similar to them using DP when in most casesL SP FP would suffice, by they have run into issues with SP and never with DP, so they stick to DP.    If future farms don't need 64A > bits, then the horses to beat are 32 bit processors, which have G > excellent price/performance today. A fun quandry for 64-bit processorr > vendors, other than AMD. > L They pretty much need 64 bits and will be more and more dependant on it over6 time as far as the rendering and compositing steps go.   Aarone   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:55:54 GMTE. From: "aaron spink" <aaronspink@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesFF Message-ID: <uSrh8.40092$ZC3.3167419@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C858ADB.E8420842@videotron.ca... > Greg Lindahl wrote:tI > > Funny how no one's yet asked "Do rendering farms needs 64 bit addresse+ > > spaces?" Pixar's current farm does not.o >hI > Does anyone know what image size is used when they do a final rendering( for a . > 70mm film (or an IMAX one for that matter) ? > H Standard res is on the order of 1900x1024 as OUTPUT.  IMAX res is of theK order of 4000x3000 as output.  in all cases they are doing lots of subpixelb accuracy though.   Aaron Spinki speaking for Myself Inc.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:28:43 +0000 (UTC)/ From: Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee>u Subject: Re: Itanium troublesh3 Message-ID: <1015439321.343166@haldjas.folklore.ee>i  ; In comp.arch JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:t > Greg Lindahl wrote:dH >> Funny how no one's yet asked "Do rendering farms needs 64 bit address* >> spaces?" Pixar's current farm does not. > O > Does anyone know what image size is used when they do a final rendering for am. > 70mm film (or an IMAX one for that matter) ?  < You shouldn't need to keep the whole scene bitmap in memory.   > L > Also, considering the amount of disk space to store each frame of a 2 hourO > movie at full resolution, is there some time after which you really do need a.8 > 64 bit OS to address all that disk space efficiently ?  J Umm... a non-broken OS can address all that disk space just as effectivelyJ on a 32bit machine.  If disk block offset calculations figured in the sameG ballpark as disk access, then yes, but I think thats a bit unrealistic.i   --   	Sanderr   +++ Out of cheese error +++e   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:33:17 +0000 (UTC)/ From: Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee>o Subject: Re: Itanium troubles}3 Message-ID: <1015439595.560309@haldjas.folklore.ee>   6 In comp.arch Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: > 6 > "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message( > news:5MAR200222522790@gerg.tamu.edu...8 >> In article <3C858ADB.E8420842@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei* > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes... >  > ...o > K >> }Does anyone know what image size is used when they do a final rendering  > for ay0 >> }70mm film (or an IMAX one for that matter) ? >>E >> Various people who should know have indicated in rendering related F >> newsgroups that the resolution is under 1600x1200 (although I don'tA >> recall anyone mentioning IMAX - they might do that at a highernH >> resolution than is usual). It aparently varys from company to companyH >> and from movie to movie. They antialias the bejeebers out of it so it$ >> looks smooth even when projected. >  > ...s > E >> You can, or will soon anyway, have billions of objects in a movie,n0 >> and at least a few million in a single scene. > A > As someone who knows nothing about this subject, I'd appreciatehL > clarification (a bit off-topic though it may be) of how one can have a fewL > million objects in a scene that uses less than 2 million pixels per frame.L > I understand that not every object will necessarily appear in every frame,2 > but it still seems unlikely on the face of it...  D Consider that at least 1/2 the objects (the backsides of everything)F don't directly appear in the scene, esp. as complex objects are likelyE to be made up of ploygons/triangles. It gets a lot worse if there are:C objects that are say reflective or semi-transparent in the scene...    >  > - bill >  >  >    -- e 	Sander    +++ Out of cheese error +++n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:35:13 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>d Subject: Re: Itanium troublesh$ Message-ID: <3c8661c8$1@news.si.com>  B >I have no knowledge of reliability or what the deal was, but if IH >were offered a dirt cheap IA-64 cluster, free code optimisation offers,A >etc... (i.e. whatever Intel wants out of it's $200million dollaro8 >port/acceptance fund), it could look *very* attractive. >  >Peter Boyle  I I loved you in "Young Frankenstein" and now in "Everybody Loves Raymond."p -- oA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coms= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 08:42:00 +0100sB From: Winfried Goletz <Winfried.Goletz@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>: Subject: Re: Let me know any References for Stock Exchange: Message-ID: <3C85C848.FBCBFDC5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  & --Boundary_(ID_mSxBRCsN2j+TmriAzCUpWw) Content-type: text/plain   Running large OpenVMS :     
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 <br>&nbsp; <p>"Kim, In Soo" schrieb:p <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hello.0 <p>Now I'm looking for following reference site.J <p>OpenVMS Cluster + RTR + DecNIS600(Decnet over X.25 or TCP/IP over X.25)+ <p>Thanks for your kindness...</blockquote>t </html>   ( --Boundary_(ID_mSxBRCsN2j+TmriAzCUpWw)--   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 09:10:27 -0800 7 From: uwe.leinberger@t-systems.com (Dr. Uwe Leinberger)i: Subject: Re: Let me know any References for Stock Exchange= Message-ID: <b6b2072c.0203060910.2e7d941a@posting.google.com>-   Winfried Goletz <Winfried.Goletz@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<3C85C848.FBCBFDC5@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>... > Running large OpenVMS :s >  > 1 >    * Eurex ========> Frankfurt Stock Exchange \ J >    * Xetra ========> Frankfrut Stock Exchange  |===> All pretty big.....1 >    * Cbot  ========> Chicago                  /y$ >    * Vienna Stock Exchange (Xetra) >  > No DecNIS and very few X.25o >    As far as my knowledge goes: r  F Tandem and VMS together have a share of >90% of all srock, options etc online-Trading systems........  
 Cheers Uwe   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:24:31 +0100 From: zessin@decus.deb- Subject: List of ECOs combination that works? * Message-ID: <00A0A879.2F9C1F7A.4@decus.de>  . Looks like I'll have to try a new installation- with OpenVMS Alpha V7.3. Recent reports aboutm* screwed-up ECOs have made me a little more	 carefull.h  . Does anyone have a list of ECOs available that/ he found working without trouble and is willings. to share it? Did you record the order in which you installed the ECOs?1   Thanks, Uwe    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 11:25:58 +0100b* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: List of ECOs combination that works?r* Message-ID: <3c85eeb6$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  B In article <00A0A879.2F9C1F7A.4@decus.de>, zessin@decus.de writes:/ >Looks like I'll have to try a new installationo. >with OpenVMS Alpha V7.3. Recent reports about+ >screwed-up ECOs have made me a little morer
 >carefull.  @ I so far found no problems with running all the current ECOs forD OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 (except VMS73_BACKUP of course, which is too new)G Even the OnHold VMS73_XFC ECO gave me no problem (it simply doesn't fixi= the XFC problem, leading to a system crash if XFC is enabled)n  / >Does anyone have a list of ECOs available thatn0 >he found working without trouble and is willing/ >to share it? Did you record the order in whiche >you installed the ECOs?  K I did install them in the order of appearance of course (you know, I'm also- a hobbyist ;-)   	VMS73_XFC-V0100		<-- OnHold   	VMS73_LMF-V0100 	VMS73_UPDATE-V0100u 	VMS73_DRIVER-V0200i 	VMS73_SYSINI-V0100- 	VMS73_APB-V0100 	VMS73_CLUSTER-V0200 	VMS73_SHADOWING-V0200 	VMS73_DCL-V0100 	VMS73_SYS-V0300 	VMS73_LIBRTL-V0200    	VMS73_BACKUP-V0100.   HIHb   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111 2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111 888 < KAPSCH AG      Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:12:26 GMTc3 From: sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton)t1 Subject: Re: List of ECOs combination that works? / Message-ID: <_Aoh8.98$M3.299@news-srv1.fmr.com>a   Hi Uwe,t  L Here is a list of patches that I've installed on my workstation (DPW 433au):  1 RABBIT::SYSTEM  $ product sho hist/sin=6-jul-2001e; ----------------------------------- ----------- -----------. --------------------I PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIME,; ----------------------------------- ----------- -----------b --------------------G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_UPDATE V1.0        Patch       Install     25-FEB-2002  15:28:36G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_LIBRTL V1.0        Patch       Install     15-JAN-2002e 15:34:46G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_CLIUTL V1.0        Patch       Install     31-DEC-2001  14:07:06G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_PTHREAD V1.0       Patch       Install     26-NOV-2001e 08:32:31G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_DTSS V1.0          Patch       Install     26-NOV-2001a 08:30:20G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_RMS V2.0           Patch       Install     05-NOV-2001e 12:07:59G DEC AXPVMS DNVOSIECO01 V7.3         Patch       Install     05-NOV-2001m 12:07:32G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_DW_MOT_MUP V1.0    Patch       Install     30-OCT-2001v 16:58:01G DEC AXPVMS TCPIP_ECO V5.1-153       Patch       Install     12-OCT-2001  13:54:23G DEC AXPVMS TCPIP_ECO V5.1-152       Patch       Install     04-SEP-2001  15:49:15G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_SHADOWING V1.0     Patch       Install     04-SEP-2001  15:47:21G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_RMS V1.0           Patch       Install     04-SEP-2001c 15:46:59G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_MAIL V1.0          Patch       Install     04-SEP-2001i 15:46:33G DEC AXPVMS VMS73_SYS V2.0           Patch       Install     03-AUG-2001  03:49:54  H My "rule of thumb" is to wait at least one month after the patch becomesM publically available before installing - this usually catches the patch holdssK and retractions (such as XFC and DCL).  Notice from my list that UPDATE mayaL actually be a roll-up of the previous patches.  I also "broke the rule" whenL installing DW_MOT_MUP, since that was a security advisory.  Of course, YMMV.  B In article <00A0A879.2F9C1F7A.4@decus.de>, zessin@decus.de writes:/ >Looks like I'll have to try a new installation . >with OpenVMS Alpha V7.3. Recent reports about+ >screwed-up ECOs have made me a little moreo
 >carefull. >f/ >Does anyone have a list of ECOs available that 0 >he found working without trouble and is willing/ >to share it? Did you record the order in which- >you installed the ECOs? >0 >Thanks, Uwe   Bradford J. Hamilton& MAPSbradhamilton@MAPSattbi.com		(home)& sy18889MAPS@rabbit.MAPSfmr.com		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"c "Lose the MAPS"u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 09:17:47 -050045 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>o1 Subject: Re: List of ECOs combination that works?22 Message-ID: <pSSGPInZs2tUSBjlE1WcvhXt=NC6@4ax.com>  4 I would start with VMS73_UPDATE-V0100, since it it a7 rollup patch of all the previous ones, then look to seer/ if there is anything necessary beyond that one.    David R. BeattyW  9 On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:24:31 +0100, zessin@decus.de wrote:m  / >Looks like I'll have to try a new installations. >with OpenVMS Alpha V7.3. Recent reports about+ >screwed-up ECOs have made me a little moree
 >carefull. >e/ >Does anyone have a list of ECOs available thatI0 >he found working without trouble and is willing/ >to share it? Did you record the order in which  >you installed the ECOs? >c >Thanks, Uwe   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 06:34:23 -0800n/ From: chinachowchow@mailcity.com (Rick Nickles)l+ Subject: Migration off of Knowledge Buildere= Message-ID: <ac4e3b24.0203060634.64605744@posting.google.com>t  F We are using a Computer Associates product called Knowledge Builder asD our primarily applications environment on a VAX 7000 cluster running= OpenVMS 6.2 and Oracle RDB 7.0.6.2 and BEA Message Queue v5.0i  ; Is there anyone who has attempted to migrate from a similar ? environment elsewhere, and I am especially interested in the KBpE application, how you got off of KB, and what you migrated to, and howaD that progressed - what pain did you experience. What pointers do youF have for us. Did you change system or operating system platforms along= with the change, did you change from Oracle RDB to Oracle? to ( something else? Details are appreciated.  B I am hoping for a serious discussion of your migration experience,' hopefully saving us pain along the way.e   Thanks so much  
 Rick Nickles 4 Stora Enso Oyj Rick.Nickles@storaenso.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:15:15 +0100b( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>* Subject: Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?) Message-ID: <3C865CB3.9040702@bluewin.ch>m   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:e  ? > I go through the edited license load file and cut out all thet* > language variant PAKS that I don't need. > < > (Paul Sture, In Switzerland, do you load one, two or three >  language variant PAKs?) >  > :^)  >  Well, I'd ideally like to have the French, German and UK English versions of DECwrite :-) Hmm, just checked, DECwrite on the Alpha just bombs out. IIRC someone suggested a workaround using INSTALL for that, although I had no success with it.e    F On the VAX, DECwrite will fire up, but only in demo mode. It's been a F while since I looked, but the one system that I had access to at work @ which had DECwrite had a separate (German language) PAK.I think I installing the UK, then US version over a previous German version may be h the cause of that.  E Not being one to pass up on the opportunity of a bit of M$ bashing...r  I I've got a Change Language option on my work copy of Word 97. It is most tF ugly - the last time I tried it I had to reset the language for every H paragraph; multi-lingual documents sometimes, but not always, come as a 4 sea of red indicating spell check errors, and so on.   :-)s    
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:26:06 +0100a( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>* Subject: Re: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?) Message-ID: <3C865F3E.5080100@bluewin.ch>    Phillip Helbig wrote:   < >>(Paul Sture, In Switzerland, do you load one, two or three >> language variant PAKs?) >> >>:^)a >> > 9 > Four.  About 1% of the population speak Rhaeto-Romansh.e >   I Correct in the number of official languages, but I don't think there's a o VMS PAK for Rhaeto-Romansch    :-)t  
 Paul Sture Switzerlandt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:30:47 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>* Subject: RE: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?- Message-ID: <0033000055415089000002L092*@MHS>f  ( =0AThat's a really good trivia question.  	 hehehehe.    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETu' Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:26 PM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET* Subject: RE: OPENVMS-HOBBYIST License PAK?     Phillip Helbig wrote:c  < >>(Paul Sture, In Switzerland, do you load one, two or three >> language variant PAKs?) >> >>:^)u >> > 9 > Four.  About 1% of the population speak Rhaeto-Romansh.e >   H Correct in the number of official languages, but I don't think there's = a- VMS PAK for Rhaeto-Romanscha   :-)1  
 Paul Sture Switzerland=   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 00:16:28 -0800s# From: k_moehr@yahoo.de (Karl Moehr)r+ Subject: Pathworks with Windows 2000 clientf= Message-ID: <72e3dad6.0203060016.5970ccfd@posting.google.com>2   Hi,d  " Maybe somebody can give me a hint.D I have an Alpha running Open VMS ver. 7.1 and Pathworks ver. 6.0. On+ the server I have setup a number of Shares.nA All was running fine when connecting to the shares with an NT 4.0 B client, till one of my colleagues upgraded his PC to Windows 2000.D When this colleague connects to one of the shares on the server, allE Lan Manager processes  die after a few minutes. After that nobody cangA connect to the shares anymore and all prior connections are lost.MC Has anybody ever experienced this before and maybe has a remedy for  the problem.   Thanks, Karl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:50:13 -06001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>i/ Subject: Re: Pathworks with Windows 2000 clientr8 Message-ID: <a6570e$67n$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  H Don't think that PW v6 supports W2000, but Advanced Server v7.3 does.  IL don't know the details, sorry.  We've tested 2000 and XP against an Advanced Server and it seems to work OK.   < Trouble is Advanced Server minimum VMS requirement is 7.2-1.   Dave...t  0 "Karl Moehr" <k_moehr@yahoo.de> wrote in message7 news:72e3dad6.0203060016.5970ccfd@posting.google.com...  > Hi,  >o$ > Maybe somebody can give me a hint.F > I have an Alpha running Open VMS ver. 7.1 and Pathworks ver. 6.0. On- > the server I have setup a number of Shares. C > All was running fine when connecting to the shares with an NT 4.0cD > client, till one of my colleagues upgraded his PC to Windows 2000.F > When this colleague connects to one of the shares on the server, allG > Lan Manager processes  die after a few minutes. After that nobody can-C > connect to the shares anymore and all prior connections are lost.<E > Has anybody ever experienced this before and maybe has a remedy forD > the problem. >9 > Thanks, Karl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:19:09 +0000r( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>/ Subject: Re: Pathworks with Windows 2000 client ) Message-ID: <3C864F8D.D80A8E96@127.0.0.1>c   Dave Gudewicz wrote: > J > Don't think that PW v6 supports W2000, but Advanced Server v7.3 does.  IN > don't know the details, sorry.  We've tested 2000 and XP against an Advanced! > Server and it seems to work OK.V > > > Trouble is Advanced Server minimum VMS requirement is 7.2-1.  4 >"Karl Moehr" <k_moehr@yahoo.de> wrote in message...   This is soooooooo typical.   VMS 7.1 released in 1997.h2 W2000 released in (2001?) and still being patched.  C "You" are only suffering because you've chosen to make VMS the poore$ cousin of the 'upgrade' environment.   -- t( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:21:10 -0400. From: "Malcolm Davies" <malcolm.davies@cw.com>/ Subject: Re: Pathworks with Windows 2000 clienta/ Message-ID: <u8ck022gp6lc71@corp.supernews.com>g  K I upgraded to PWRK v6.0D for Win2000 client support, but still getting somelH problems, see related posts dated 13 and 14 Feb frm me with many replies% from other helpful Pathworks experts.,  < "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message2 news:a6570e$67n$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com...J > Don't think that PW v6 supports W2000, but Advanced Server v7.3 does.  IE > don't know the details, sorry.  We've tested 2000 and XP against an  Advanced! > Server and it seems to work OK.- >n> > Trouble is Advanced Server minimum VMS requirement is 7.2-1. >e	 > Dave...u >f2 > "Karl Moehr" <k_moehr@yahoo.de> wrote in message9 > news:72e3dad6.0203060016.5970ccfd@posting.google.com...m > > Hi,m > >i& > > Maybe somebody can give me a hint.H > > I have an Alpha running Open VMS ver. 7.1 and Pathworks ver. 6.0. On/ > > the server I have setup a number of Shares.fE > > All was running fine when connecting to the shares with an NT 4.0fF > > client, till one of my colleagues upgraded his PC to Windows 2000.H > > When this colleague connects to one of the shares on the server, allI > > Lan Manager processes  die after a few minutes. After that nobody cannE > > connect to the shares anymore and all prior connections are lost.sG > > Has anybody ever experienced this before and maybe has a remedy fors > > the problem. > >E > > Thanks, Karl >o >i   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 10:16:19 -0800i7 From: uwe.leinberger@t-systems.com (Dr. Uwe Leinberger)c Subject: Re: PGP for OpenVMS?-= Message-ID: <b6b2072c.0203061016.63aab3ae@posting.google.com>i  j fraley@usfca.edu (Michael Fraley) wrote in message news:<slrna78tns.7t.fraley@cumquat.ca.sprintbbd.net>... > Hello, > D > Does anyone know if there is a PGP port for OpenVMS? We would like@ > to use it on our OpenVMS boxes. Any help would be appreciated!   Have a look at *   http://www.decus.de:8080/r  I where Martin Zinser keeps an archive for VMS-ported SW. Including PGP....K   Cheers!    Uwe:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:28:46 +0000p% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>oY Subject: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq Acqs8 Message-ID: <8dpb8uso5a40p40574riso9mmlkbghu9gm@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 22:29:12 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:     > I >Institutional Shareholder Services said Tuesday that it was recommendingiD >that Hewlett-Packard Co. shareholders vote in favor of the proposed% >acquisition of Compaq Computer Corp.   C This is interesting because speculation up until a few hours beforeoC the pronouncement (and share movement before hand seemed to confirm6B this) was that ISS was leaning towards a shock "NO" recommendation? which would effectively have killed the deal dead. Even the YESUF recommendation still leaves things at about 50-50 as far as I can see. > H >In a brief press conference, ISS Vice President Patrick McGurn said ISSJ >believes "management's plan is achievable" and that the deal "provides anK >excellent means of providing shareholder value over the long run." But Mr.eI >McGurn also said it believes that dissident shareholder and board member-I >Walter Hewlett "deserves shareholders' thanks" for raising key questionsF >about the deal.  E I'm not sure what the above means. If there are "key questions" whichtD haven't been answered yet why recommend  it? Or is this one of thoseF "read between the lines " bits of advice? Looking a bit more closely ID see that ISS stated that HP/Compaq have "satisfied" them that issuesD raised by Hewlett relate to concentrating on one product (presumablyD WIndows) have now been addressed to their satisfaction and that theyE expect a fuller range of HP/Compaq products to now be leveraged aftertF the merger. That could be good news for VMS. Or it could just be Carly- and Curly saying anything to get this throughe  D My opinion has always been that HP could almost kill VMS by mistake.B If all the shouting has actually got us somewhere then I, for one,. rejoice in anything that *might* be good news.  	 From CNN:a- http://money.cnn.com/2002/03/05/deals/iss_hp/nF Hewlett's efforts may actually help the transaction succeed, ISS said.? His actions have forced HP and Compaq management to take steps,AF particularly on integration risks of the merger, that mitigate certain dangers.  = "We believe that the Compaq merger provides a better means of.E maximizing long-term value by exploiting the potential of all of HP'sl= assets rather than just for a single 'crown jewel,'" ISS saidd   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:53:29 GMTu4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>Y Subject: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq Acqo= Message-ID: <tbph8.11102$Hf7.31447@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>t  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:8dpb8uso5a40p40574riso9mmlkbghu9gm@4ax.com...H > On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 22:29:12 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >y >i > >lK > >Institutional Shareholder Services said Tuesday that it was recommendingkF > >that Hewlett-Packard Co. shareholders vote in favor of the proposed' > >acquisition of Compaq Computer Corp.D >EE > This is interesting because speculation up until a few hours before E > the pronouncement (and share movement before hand seemed to confirmTD > this) was that ISS was leaning towards a shock "NO" recommendationA > which would effectively have killed the deal dead. Even the YESmH > recommendation still leaves things at about 50-50 as far as I can see. > > J > >In a brief press conference, ISS Vice President Patrick McGurn said ISSL > >believes "management's plan is achievable" and that the deal "provides anI > >excellent means of providing shareholder value over the long run." ButR Mr.sK > >McGurn also said it believes that dissident shareholder and board memberrK > >Walter Hewlett "deserves shareholders' thanks" for raising key questionsk > >about the deal. > G > I'm not sure what the above means. If there are "key questions" which-F > haven't been answered yet why recommend  it? Or is this one of thoseH > "read between the lines " bits of advice? Looking a bit more closely IF > see that ISS stated that HP/Compaq have "satisfied" them that issuesF > raised by Hewlett relate to concentrating on one product (presumablyF > WIndows) have now been addressed to their satisfaction and that theyG > expect a fuller range of HP/Compaq products to now be leveraged after H > the merger. That could be good news for VMS. Or it could just be Carly/ > and Curly saying anything to get this throughE >XF > My opinion has always been that HP could almost kill VMS by mistake.D > If all the shouting has actually got us somewhere then I, for one,0 > rejoice in anything that *might* be good news.  L HWP just killled one proprietary OS, one that delivered a hell of a lot lessJ revenue than VMS. I doubt they are stupid enough to kill the VMS cash cow.H If so, it's time for Shannon KNEW Compaq, a detailed expose of where theB bodies are buried, etc... and then on to bigger and better things.   cheers,    terry s3   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:33:50 GMTX# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq Acqt2 Message-ID: <yFqh8.39423$aFN.35310@news1.bloor.is>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagey7 news:tbph8.11102$Hf7.31447@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...p >h >cI > HWP just killled one proprietary OS, one that delivered a hell of a lotc lessL > revenue than VMS. I doubt they are stupid enough to kill the VMS cash cow.J > If so, it's time for Shannon KNEW Compaq, a detailed expose of where theD > bodies are buried, etc... and then on to bigger and better things. >s   Terry,  H Despite the fact that we all want OpenVMS to continue to be offered as aC living, breathing, growing, supported o/s, we have to be objective:   F 1) Notwithstanding the wonderful job all those in OVMS Enginnering are doing,K     they don't control the purse strings, nor do they control the strategic  direction of the firm.  L 2) When was the last time any REAL effort was made or sanctioned at the most< senior levels in CPQ to truly promote OVMS to new customers?  > 3) Most people, CPQ management included, focus on problems not opportunities.G     CPQ's financial problems are PC's, not enterprise stuff. Ergo, they- focus on PC's.  F 4) By not focusing on the good side of their business to the extent it@ deserves, they create opportunities for every competitor to say,D      "CPQ doesn't care about your business because they neglect you.G       They neglect growing the market share of the o/s you want to use,r0 thereby jeapordizing your long-term investment..J       Their actions keep the sales of Alpha down which in turn drives your costs for hardware higher.J       Their actions ensure fewer 3rd-party applications for your platform, or late availability.rK       Their actions make it doubtful that you'll be able to hire talent who ' WANT to work on their o/s and hardware.II       Yes, their stuff may be good, but just how much longer to you thinke it'll be around?G       Given their decision-making track record, do you want to bet your- career on them?"  H 5) Since CPQ has been, at best, horribly inconsistent in promoting OVMS,) especially since the merger announcement,lE     and that HP has been conspicuous in their silence regarding OVMS, D     should we be realists or continue to believe in the tooth fairy?  B 6) A question for you, and this is a serious one - what have CPQ's. management done that has been truly stellar inK    advancing and promoting the cause of OVMS over the past 2 years? If youra, answer is that they simply continued to fundL    it, that's not enough. If it's sales in the scientific space, where their* most notable successes have been recently,2    these were Alpha/Tru64 sales for the most part.A   Where are the sales in the commercial space and academic space?h   Where is the mind share?  I 7) All CPQ management had to do was look at a list of points like the six . ones above and say, "We better fix this fast".     But they didn't.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:00:36 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGoY Subject: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq Acqm0 Message-ID: <00A0A88E.FB33907D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  t In article <tbph8.11102$Hf7.31447@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >i3 >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in messagee3 >news:8dpb8uso5a40p40574riso9mmlkbghu9gm@4ax.com...II >> On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 22:29:12 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  >> >> >> >L >> >Institutional Shareholder Services said Tuesday that it was recommendingG >> >that Hewlett-Packard Co. shareholders vote in favor of the proposed ( >> >acquisition of Compaq Computer Corp. >>F >> This is interesting because speculation up until a few hours beforeF >> the pronouncement (and share movement before hand seemed to confirmE >> this) was that ISS was leaning towards a shock "NO" recommendationdB >> which would effectively have killed the deal dead. Even the YESI >> recommendation still leaves things at about 50-50 as far as I can see.o >> >K >> >In a brief press conference, ISS Vice President Patrick McGurn said ISSCM >> >believes "management's plan is achievable" and that the deal "provides an J >> >excellent means of providing shareholder value over the long run." But >Mr.L >> >McGurn also said it believes that dissident shareholder and board memberL >> >Walter Hewlett "deserves shareholders' thanks" for raising key questions >> >about the deal.a >>H >> I'm not sure what the above means. If there are "key questions" whichG >> haven't been answered yet why recommend  it? Or is this one of those0I >> "read between the lines " bits of advice? Looking a bit more closely IdG >> see that ISS stated that HP/Compaq have "satisfied" them that issues G >> raised by Hewlett relate to concentrating on one product (presumablyrG >> WIndows) have now been addressed to their satisfaction and that theyMH >> expect a fuller range of HP/Compaq products to now be leveraged afterI >> the merger. That could be good news for VMS. Or it could just be CarlyA0 >> and Curly saying anything to get this through >>G >> My opinion has always been that HP could almost kill VMS by mistake.0E >> If all the shouting has actually got us somewhere then I, for one,O1 >> rejoice in anything that *might* be good news.i >oM >HWP just killled one proprietary OS, one that delivered a hell of a lot lessaK >revenue than VMS. I doubt they are stupid enough to kill the VMS cash cow.iI >If so, it's time for Shannon KNEW Compaq, a detailed expose of where the C >bodies are buried, etc... and then on to bigger and better things.>  5 Burried in the woods and swamps of Georgia, no doubt.m   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             oJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesa   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 02:01:53 -0800 , From: tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung)* Subject: Real-time scheduling with sockets= Message-ID: <f9dc0a5a.0203060201.5adbc9f7@posting.google.com>    Hi All,n  7 I run into a real-time scheduling problem with OpenVMS.n  C I am going to create two threads, one with higher priority than thee2 other under the Round-Robin scheduling (SCHED_RR).  C I suppose when the high priority "blocks" in any situation, the lowaD priority thread will take control. However, I've found that when theD high priority thread waits on a socket (such as select(), accept()),A no thread scheduling will take place and the high priority thread  continues to take the control.  D Is it the behavior of the OpenVMS? I am already using v7.3. Is thereE any way for a thread to yield control whenever it blocks on a socket?r   Thank you very much.   Tony CheungD   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:34:39 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>. Subject: Re: Real-time scheduling with sockets, Message-ID: <a64rbm$15a4@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  9 "Tony Cheung" <tony.cheung@asiayeah.com> wrote in messageV7 news:f9dc0a5a.0203060201.5adbc9f7@posting.google.com...o  F > Is it the behavior of the OpenVMS? I am already using v7.3. Is thereG > any way for a thread to yield control whenever it blocks on a socket?e  K Last time I tried, it worked fine if you linked with upcalls enabled. Checkh that you are doing that.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:57:00 -0700* From: Richard Wolff <rwolff@selkirk.bc.ca> Subject: RWAST9 Message-ID: <20020306T085717Z_5E1800050000@selkirk.bc.ca>a   --____JUDZYFBWZQKVHVGWFWII____, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablem  L I can't find where in the manuals is a description of the various states a = process can be in.( I have a process that is in RWAST state.   --____JUDZYFBWZQKVHVGWFWII____H Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="____VJRQLXDYLOXKLKGIAAPW____"     --____VJRQLXDYLOXKLKGIAAPW____+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-13+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>L <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"= >a@ <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4913.1100" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>E <BODY style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 2px; FONT: 10pt Tahoma; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px">hH <DIV>I can't find where in the manuals is a description of the various = states a=20  process can be in.</DIV>A <DIV>I have a process that is in RWAST state.</DIV></BODY></HTML>     --____VJRQLXDYLOXKLKGIAAPW____--    --____JUDZYFBWZQKVHVGWFWII____--   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:03:32 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: RWAST@ Message-ID: <20020306170332.20908.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   Richardw   What is your OpenVMS version ? 2& Compaq discovered a bug in my V7.2 and' they didnt develop a patch for it. Theyr3 suggested me to upgrade do OpenVMS 7.2-1 (at least)t     Regardsd   FC  / --- Richard Wolff <rwolff@selkirk.bc.ca> wrote:w4 > I can't find where in the manuals is a description, > of the various states a process can be in.* > I have a process that is in RWAST state. >      =====p ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?7 Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!e http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 11:13:41 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: RWAST3 Message-ID: <6K2jXCEb5iyc@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  f In article <20020306T085717Z_5E1800050000@selkirk.bc.ca>, Richard Wolff <rwolff@selkirk.bc.ca> writes: >   > --____JUDZYFBWZQKVHVGWFWII____. > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1- > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee  & Please do not post MIME in newsgroups.J Contact your software vendor if the method for avoiding MIME is not clear.  N > I can't find where in the manuals is a description of the various states a = > process can be in.  B I see the list in table 12.2 on page 284 of the V5.2 Internals andC Data Structures manual (dated 1991 from Digital Press), but if thati/ is not the exact copy you have check the index.n  * > I have a process that is in RWAST state.  B From memory, that is "Resource Wait - AST".  A process cannot make@ progress until some resources associated with an outstanding AST@ become free.  Typically this is due to not enough process quotas> or too many driver bugs.  There have been kernel mode programs= to artificially clear the former from time to time.  There isl  no easy way to clear the latter.  C Of course if this is happening on process rundown (check with SDA),n8 such programs will not work, as the cause is the latter.   >   > --____JUDZYFBWZQKVHVGWFWII____J > Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="____VJRQLXDYLOXKLKGIAAPW____" >  >   > --____VJRQLXDYLOXKLKGIAAPW____- > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-14- > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableM > @ > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HTML><HEAD>N > <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"= >>B > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4913.1100" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>G > <BODY style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 2px; FONT: 10pt Tahoma; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px">hJ > <DIV>I can't find where in the manuals is a description of the various =
 > states a=20a > process can be in.</DIV>C > <DIV>I have a process that is in RWAST state.</DIV></BODY></HTML>h > " > --____VJRQLXDYLOXKLKGIAAPW____-- > " > --____JUDZYFBWZQKVHVGWFWII____-- -- aN ==============================================================================I The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anythingpJ      offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor willI      I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warningsbH      to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival      of the online community."N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:17:18 -0400. From: "Malcolm Davies" <malcolm.davies@cw.com> Subject: Re: RWAST/ Message-ID: <u8cjoferkq5r07@corp.supernews.com>h  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C1C511.3DE1AB00h Content-Type: text/plain;h 	charset="iso-8859-1"a+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableo  I I work with ACMS on VMS systems, we often see server processes in RWAST =.J - I think this is READ WAIT AST or READ WRITE AST, usually get this if a =C process dies,and another process is waiting on a reply to its AST =.I messages. Trying to kill RWAST process leaves it in suspended state and =cE a reboot is needed to clear it. Similar to RWMBX (same as above but =n Mailbox instead of AST)_   Mal.;   "Richard Wolff" <rwolff@selkirk.bc.ca> wrote in message =S3 news:20020306T085717Z_5E1800050000@selkirk.bc.ca...eE   I can't find where in the manuals is a description of the various =a states a process can be in. *   I have a process that is in RWAST state.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C1C511.3DE1AB00e Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"e+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable,  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =n charset=3Diso-8859-1">6 <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>m </HEAD> G <BODY style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 2px; FONT: 10pt Tahoma; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px"=20r bgColor=3D#ffffff>G <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I&nbsp;work with&nbsp;ACMS on VMS systems, we =. often see=20J server processes in RWAST - I think this is READ WAIT AST or READ WRITE=20E AST,&nbsp;usually get this if a process dies,and another process is =d waiting on a=20lH reply to&nbsp;its AST messages. Trying to kill RWAST process leaves it = in=20pF suspended state and a reboot is needed to clear it. Similar to RWMBX = (same as=20s. above but Mailbox instead of AST)</FONT></DIV>+ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> ) <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Mal.</FONT></DIV>e <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20C style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =i3 BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">     <DIV>"Richard Wolff" &lt;<A=20E   href=3D"mailto:rwolff@selkirk.bc.ca">rwolff@selkirk.bc.ca</A>&gt; =g wrote in=20i   message <A=20    =tJ href=3D"news:20020306T085717Z_5E1800050000@selkirk.bc.ca">news:20020306T0=. 85717Z_5E1800050000@selkirk.bc.ca</A>...</DIV>J   <DIV>I can't find where in the manuals is a description of the various =	 states=20h   a process can be in.</DIV>*   <DIV>I have a process that is in RWAST =' state.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>r  - ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C1C511.3DE1AB00--e   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:19:49 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: RWAST@ Message-ID: <20020306171949.79865.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  
 I think it isc  ' RESOURCE WAIT AST (ASSYNC. SYSTEM TRAP)d   Hoff ? Are you there?    Rega.i   Fabioc1 --- Malcolm Davies <malcolm.davies@cw.com> wrote:o6 > I work with ACMS on VMS systems, we often see server4 > processes in RWAST - I think this is READ WAIT AST2 > or READ WRITE AST, usually get this if a process3 > dies,and another process is waiting on a reply tom0 > its AST messages. Trying to kill RWAST process5 > leaves it in suspended state and a reboot is needed 2 > to clear it. Similar to RWMBX (same as above but > Mailbox instead of AST)o >  > Mal.3 >   "Richard Wolff" <rwolff@selkirk.bc.ca> wrote in 	 > messageu5 > news:20020306T085717Z_5E1800050000@selkirk.bc.ca...f6 >   I can't find where in the manuals is a description, > of the various states a process can be in., >   I have a process that is in RWAST state. >      =====- ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?7 Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!e http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:25:36 +0000k( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: RWAST) Message-ID: <3C865110.21766C34@127.0.0.1>e  & Let's get this RWAST thing straight...  ? In _most_ cases, this is because VMS is honouring, to the deathe> (reboot), an (usually) IO, now in a condition brought about by5 unexpected interference to the operating environment.a  + It is a symptom, not the cause of problems.  -- g( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:37:41 +0100nB From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> Subject: Re: RWAST7 Message-ID: <3C8661F5.7528@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>f   Richard Wolff wrote: > < > I can't find where in the manuals is a description of the % > various states a process can be in.e* > I have a process that is in RWAST state.   States :A  http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6552/6552pro_009.htmle Rwast : *  http://www.yrl.co.uk/~phil/vms/rwast.html   -- t ME Posted by news://news.nb.nue   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 18:52:03 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>c Subject: Re: RWAST2 Message-ID: <3C866590.F5724AA2@clarityconnect.com>   RWAST - Resource Wait ASTgF Essentially the process is waiting for an AST to fire that will notify? it that some outstanding operation is completed and then it can F continue.  There are a dozen or more things that can be the underlyingE issue and we have an excellent DSNlink article on how to troubleshootl this.e     -- tD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:12:40 +0100i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e Subject: Re: SOAP on OpenVMS?c) Message-ID: <3C8623D8.CD484C20@gtech.com>    Andy wrote: D > I was checking into both XML-RPC and SOAP myself and was disturbed> > to see that SOAP is turning into one of those "designed by aB > committee of large software vendors" things. XML-RPC seems to be@ > a much simpler/easier to implement idea ( See www.xmlrpc.com )? > that anyone could use to "build web services in their garage"a   And ?e  = The SOAP and WSDL stuff is not intended to be handwritten. Itr( is intended to be generated by software.  7 If your IDE wizard creates the XML and code, then it is  not really a problem.e  ; Just like new CPU architectures are not beeing evaluated byd0 how easy it is to write assembler code any more.  8 The important thing about SOAP is that it has very broad: support: IBM, Microsoft, Apache, SUN, Java community etc..   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:01:24 -00009 From: "Michael Worsley" <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk>m* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...4 Message-ID: <a64plu$bhl5d$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>  8 Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message1 news:91C880267warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100...>< > michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk (Michael Worsley) wrote in+ > <a62t3f$b5fsd$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>:M >" <snip the stuff I wrote>  G > It's not clear what you want to have happen here.  The first tape hasaH > filled up, it tells you (%BACKUP-I-READYWRITE), rewinds the first tapeL > (whirrs quietly to itself), spits it out ("Operate lever" light comes on),$ > and you get to load the next tape.  9 Not quite -- I obviously wasn't quite descriptive enough:   , The first tape fills up and begins a rewind.J The string "%BACKUP-I-RESUME, resuming operation on volume 2" is displayed on the console.v3 Rewind completes and "Operate level light comes on"o  5 Some seconds later, %BACKUP-I-READYWRITE is displayedo  G If I eject the TK50 *before* the %BACKUP-I-READYWRITE is displayed, thesL backup proceeds normally (well, I get a few verify errors, but that seems to be related to highwatermarking)f  I If I wait till *after* the %BACKUP-I-READYWRITE is displayed to eject theaF first tape, the new tape is loaded, whirrs to itself for a while, thenJ rewinds and blinks the "Operate Lever" light back on.  The backup does notI proceed. Typing Y in response to the READYWRITE prompt is an excersize ins futility :-)  H > Is the problem that you want all this to happen without a tape-change?  L Err, no.  The problem is that I don't want to have to wait about an hour andJ a half while the first tape fills and verifies then sit staring eagle eyedJ waiting for the few seconds of opportunity to switch tape and proceed with the backup.e  E I don't know what is happening, but as soon as that READYWRITE prompteI displays, no matter how many times I load new TK50s in, it never gets any  further.   Thanks for your help,u   -- Michael Worsleyr Praxis Critical Systems Ltds   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:11:30 -00009 From: "Michael Worsley" <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk>m* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...4 Message-ID: <a64q8s$blnsp$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>  6 >WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message( >news:0033000055271390000002L002*@MHS...   >Things that come to mind. >h2 >1.  TK50s only hold 92MB and the media are almost# >    impossible to find these days.e  I Believe me, we know how difficult they are to find :-)  Unfortunately, wetB still need to ship our toolset out on TK50, so we do have a stock.  / > 3.  /IGNORE=LABEL instead of /LABEL= perhaps?I   Will try that one...  6 > 4.  Why is the saveset for a disk named DKA300 being= >     called DUA0.BCK?  It sounds to me as if procedures wereh1 >     not updated to reflect changes in hardware.-  H Relatively simple: DKA300 is referred to as DUA0 on the vax. (bizarrely,I DKB100 is DUA2 and DKB300 is DUA1) Don't ask me why, I wasn't involved in  setting this machine up.    @ > Oh, Michael- be forewarned- a good bit of the console commandsB > and so forth aren't the same between MicroVAXes and VAXstations.  I Getting into the console mode and booting standalone backup is enough for_& this -- thanks for the warning though.   -- Michael Worsleyi Praxis Critical Systems Limitedl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:01:33 +0200s2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...+ Message-ID: <3C86132D.11938C7B@digital.com>.   Michael Worsley wrote: > : > Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message3 > news:91C880267warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100...r> > > michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk (Michael Worsley) wrote in- > > <a62t3f$b5fsd$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>:0 > >r > <snip the stuff I wrote> > I > > It's not clear what you want to have happen here.  The first tape hasbJ > > filled up, it tells you (%BACKUP-I-READYWRITE), rewinds the first tapeN > > (whirrs quietly to itself), spits it out ("Operate lever" light comes on),& > > and you get to load the next tape. > F >.... Typing Y in response to the READYWRITE prompt is an excersize in > futility :-)  C Have you tried entering "YES" (no quotes) instead of just "Y"? IIRCeG there were some console-level things that did not accept abbreviations.-   -- eE ---------------------------------------------------------------------cE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.k? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*aF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK-------   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:29:14 -00009 From: "Michael Worsley" <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk>v* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...4 Message-ID: <a64uql$bpgsq$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>  = Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> wrote in message % news:3C86132D.11938C7B@digital.com...  > Michael Worsley wrote: > >m< > > Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message5 > > news:91C880267warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100...A@ > > > michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk (Michael Worsley) wrote in/ > > > <a62t3f$b5fsd$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>:- > > >- > > <snip the stuff I wrote> > >0K > > > It's not clear what you want to have happen here.  The first tape hascL > > > filled up, it tells you (%BACKUP-I-READYWRITE), rewinds the first tapeK > > > (whirrs quietly to itself), spits it out ("Operate lever" light comesm on),( > > > and you get to load the next tape. > > H > >.... Typing Y in response to the READYWRITE prompt is an excersize in > > futility :-) >rE > Have you tried entering "YES" (no quotes) instead of just "Y"? IIRCdI > there were some console-level things that did not accept abbreviations.s  F Y, y, YES and yes all tried, and all with precisely the same effect...   -- Michael Worsleyp   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:05:08 -00009 From: "Michael Worsley" <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk>_* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...4 Message-ID: <a650tv$bg71i$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>  = Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> wrote in message % news:3C861D76.52C27A98@digital.com...e7 > Quoting (i.e. I am not responsible for what follows):s >-H > Do not use the '/REWIND' qualifier, use the following command instead: >5) > $ BACKUP/LOG DISK: TAPE:SAVESET.SAV/SAVr >fE > Then after the first tape, the following message will be displayed:n >yG >        %BACKUP-W-MOUNTERR, volume 1 on <tape> was not mounted becauser3 >        its label does not match the one requestedo: >        specify option (QUIT, NEW tape or OVERWRITE tape) >oG > Use the 'OVERWRITE' option and the backup operation will be continueda > on the next tape > <end quote.> > 7 > ... This is meant to solve a problem specfic to 5.5-xt  ) If you are quoting, may I ask where from?1   I'll try that over lunchtime...    -- Michael Worsleyo   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:08:59 -00009 From: "Michael Worsley" <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk>o* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...4 Message-ID: <a65155$bgm7g$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>  B Michael Worsley <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk> wrote in message. news:a64q8s$blnsp$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de...8 > >WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message* > >news:0033000055271390000002L002*@MHS...  1 > > 3.  /IGNORE=LABEL instead of /LABEL= perhaps?n >u > Will try that one...  F Nope -- same behaviour. Second tape still gets spat straight back out.  B > > Oh, Michael- be forewarned- a good bit of the console commandsD > > and so forth aren't the same between MicroVAXes and VAXstations. >cK > Getting into the console mode and booting standalone backup is enough forO( > this -- thanks for the warning though.  K On reflection, if you could point me in the direction of a breakdown of thet  differences, it would be useful.   -- Michael WorsleyM   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:45:26 +0200:2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...+ Message-ID: <3C861D76.52C27A98@digital.com>r  5 Quoting (i.e. I am not responsible for what follows):n  F Do not use the '/REWIND' qualifier, use the following command instead:  ' $ BACKUP/LOG DISK: TAPE:SAVESET.SAV/SAV-  C Then after the first tape, the following message will be displayed:=  E        %BACKUP-W-MOUNTERR, volume 1 on <tape> was not mounted becausea1        its label does not match the one requestedn8        specify option (QUIT, NEW tape or OVERWRITE tape)  E Use the 'OVERWRITE' option and the backup operation will be continuedb on the next tape <end quote.>  5 ... This is meant to solve a problem specfic to 5.5-x=   ~Mike= Michael Worsley wrote: > ? > Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> wrote in message-' > news:3C86132D.11938C7B@digital.com...- > > Michael Worsley wrote: > > >l> > > > Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message7 > > > news:91C880267warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100... B > > > > michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk (Michael Worsley) wrote in1 > > > > <a62t3f$b5fsd$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>:n > > > >r > > > <snip the stuff I wrote> > > >wM > > > > It's not clear what you want to have happen here.  The first tape hashN > > > > filled up, it tells you (%BACKUP-I-READYWRITE), rewinds the first tapeM > > > > (whirrs quietly to itself), spits it out ("Operate lever" light comesR > on),* > > > > and you get to load the next tape. > > >iJ > > >.... Typing Y in response to the READYWRITE prompt is an excersize in > > > futility :-) > >cG > > Have you tried entering "YES" (no quotes) instead of just "Y"? IIRC7K > > there were some console-level things that did not accept abbreviations.d > H > Y, y, YES and yes all tried, and all with precisely the same effect... >  > -- > Michael Worsley-   -- eE ---------------------------------------------------------------------"E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*>F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------T -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----o Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------r   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 15:22:00 GMTo1 From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@entQQQeract.com>;* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...+ Message-ID: <a65c6o$k9c$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   [ On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:47:37 -0000, Michael Worsley <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk> wrote:TN > I'm trying to do a standalone backup of the system disk of our MicroVax 31002 > (VMS 5-5.2) to TK50 using the following command:A > BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DKA300: MKA500:dua0.bck/REWIND/LABEL=sysbckiJ > I get halfway through the process, the tape is unloaded and I get to the	 > prompt:02 > %BACKUP-I-RESUME, resuming operation on volume 2N > If I change the TK50 at this point, all goes well.  If, however, I wait till > I get the following prompt....F > %BACKUP-I-READYWRITE, mount volume 2 on _SABCKUP$MKA500: for writing > Enter "Yes" when ready.tI > ... before putting the new TK50 in, then the new tape whirrs quietly toeJ > itself for a while before unloading itself (ie beeps, "Tape in use" goes& > out, "Operate lever" light comes on.  D One suggestion: pre-label a second TK50 as "SYSB02" and try putting G that in after the READYWRITE.  Is your first tape pre-labelled (from a y previous backup job perhaps)?T   -- g; Dale Dellutri -- ddelQQQlutr@entQQQeract.com (lose the Q's)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:27:47 -00009 From: "Michael Worsley" <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk>.* Subject: Re: Standalone backup question...4 Message-ID: <a65gag$bl34j$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de>  B Michael Worsley <michael.worsley@praxis-cs.co.uk> wrote in message. news:a62t3f$b5fsd$1@ID-65806.news.dfncis.de...   <snip>  < I believe I have now sorted this after some experimentation:  ? BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DKA300: MKA500:dua0.bck/REWIND/LABEL=sysbcki    Described behaviour  ? BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DKA300: MKA500:dua0.bck/REWIND/IGNORE=LABELd    Same Behaviourk  8 BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DKA300: MKA500:dua0.bck/IGNORE=label)    %BACKUP-I-LABELERR  (not an ANSI tape)i  + BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DKA300: MKA500:dua0.bckt    %BACKUP-I-POSITERRc    %SYSTEM-F-PARITY   2 BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DKA300: MKA500:dua0.bck/REWIND    Works fine.  I I've only tried the final command once so far, so I need to double-check,o but it looks promising.a  I Would anyone care to hazard a guess why both /IGNORE=label and /LABEL=xxx_G have the same behaviour, but not saying anything about the label works?s  0 Thanks to everyone who replied here or by email.   -- Michael Worsley    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:48:33 +01007 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>4 Subject: SUNGARD and DR O Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6D57@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>,  H Can anyone give me (more) info on SUNGARD and what they are doing in the area of DR.d$ Aspecially around digital equipment?  t5 > The last time I had to worry about such things, ourg= > disaster recovery plan required that three-way arrangementso- > be established, tested and in place betweene5 > d|i|g|i|t|a|l, the DR vendor (SUNGARD) and the maind8 > application vendor (National Computer Systems) for the> > immediate issuance of any temporary VMS or MV/X or GT.M PAKs0 > that might have been needed in a DR situation.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:35:59 -0500> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> Subject: RE: SUNGARD and DR8M Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D0160284E@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>w  A I believe you should contact Sungard ( http://www.sungard.com/ ) - for the info you seek.  C In the past, the assorted Sungard sites had varying configurations n@ of VAX and Alpha equipment with assorted perphierals, pending on the customers that they served.r  A I was very happy with the Sungard site in Philadelpha, PA when I hG did a disaster recovery test.  The Sungard folks were knowledgeable andiC well organized.  The Philadelphia location is a nice facility with nI great amenities (rest rooms, vending machines, coffee machines, refrigs, h/ couches, TVs, etc) and equipment to recover on.   E It was very rewarding to spin up one's DR tapes and recover an entire	@ system in a few hours.  It was even more rewarding to watch the C recovered system do an evening's worth of processing, and have the - financial numbers match.   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadway: Albany, NY  12204  USAg 518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.comy  ) I post personal opinion only, and all thea* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s).e+ One should also take note of the Electronics) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, whichm+ imposes civil and criminal liability on any ( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."   -----Original Message-----< From: Dijk, Jeroen van [mailto:Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com]' Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:49 AMl To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: SUNGARD and DR     H Can anyone give me (more) info on SUNGARD and what they are doing in the area of DR. $ Aspecially around digital equipment?  d5 > The last time I had to worry about such things, oure= > disaster recovery plan required that three-way arrangementsM- > be established, tested and in place between 5 > d|i|g|i|t|a|l, the DR vendor (SUNGARD) and the mainl8 > application vendor (National Computer Systems) for the> > immediate issuance of any temporary VMS or MV/X or GT.M PAKs0 > that might have been needed in a DR situation.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:32:21 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: SUNGARD and DR - Message-ID: <0033000055395201000002L012*@MHS>e   =0AJohn,  , your experiences parallel what I experienced. w/r/t DR testing at a Sungard center (this was% at a former job, not my current one.)t  , We used to restore the entire system, key in- a day's processing, make our EDI transactionso, and compare the ending balances with what we# had from the real-world processing.r  , And the Sungard folks were without exception' courteous, helpful and technically ept.e   WWWebb     -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETC( Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:37 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: SUNGARD and DR     @ I believe you should contact Sungard ( http://www.sungard.com/ ) for the info you seek.  B In the past, the assorted Sungard sites had varying configurations@ of VAX and Alpha equipment with assorted perphierals, pending on the customers that they served.e  @ I was very happy with the Sungard site in Philadelpha, PA when IH did a disaster recovery test.  The Sungard folks were knowledgeable and=  B well organized.  The Philadelphia location is a nice facility withH great amenities (rest rooms, vending machines, coffee machines, refrigs= , / couches, TVs, etc) and equipment to recover on.   E It was very rewarding to spin up one's DR tapes and recover an entiret? system in a few hours.  It was even more rewarding to watch thepB recovered system do an evening's worth of processing, and have the financial numbers match.   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadwaya Albany, NY  12204- USA- 518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com2  ) I post personal opinion only, and all them* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s).>+ One should also take note of the Electronict) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, which0+ imposes civil and criminal liability on any ( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."   -----Original Message-----< From: Dijk, Jeroen van [mailto:Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com]' Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:49 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComI Subject: SUNGARD and DRA    H Can anyone give me (more) info on SUNGARD and what they are doing in th= ee area of DR.g$ Aspecially around digital equipment?  5 > The last time I had to worry about such things, ourc= > disaster recovery plan required that three-way arrangementso- > be established, tested and in place between25 > d|i|g|i|t|a|l, the DR vendor (SUNGARD) and the maind8 > application vendor (National Computer Systems) for the> > immediate issuance of any temporary VMS or MV/X or GT.M PAKs1 > that might have been needed in a DR situation.=e   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 03:16:56 -0800o% From: spi@equicon.de (Joerg Spilling)g' Subject: TCPIP$FTP hangs in MUTEX statea= Message-ID: <dfc30fc1.0203060316.73c5cd7d@posting.google.com>e  > Hi folks, I need some ideas or help for the following problem:  B I'm running OpenVMS 7.3 on as DS20e, TCP/IP V5.1 ECO 3 and I think5 that I have most of the recent 7.3 patches installed.   D In my application, I have many PC's connecting to the server via FTPF and download some files. After some times, the FTP process goes in theE MUTEX state (all what I can do is reboot?). Starting and stopping FTP8C don't work (because of MUTEX state). I'm currently not able to findn7 out on what MUTEX the process hangs. Any ideas or help?p  D Perhaps anyone can tell me, which newer patches are really required?   Cheers Jrg      Here are some hopefully outputs:     US2|...[EQSPED.SRC] show system @ OpenVMS V7.3  on node VENUS2   6-MAR-2002 11:51:23.95  Uptime  0 02:04:44F   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts  PagesF 21200401 SWAPPER         HIB     16        0   0 00:00:04.03         0      0 <<snip>>F 21200416 SMHANDLER       HIB      6       52   0 00:00:00.02       154    150F 21200418 NETACP          HIB      9       47   0 00:00:00.04        53     91F 21200419 TCPIP$INETACP   HIB     10      116   0 00:00:00.02       177    125F 2120041A EVL             HIB      6       60   0 00:00:00.00       121	    105  N F 2120041B REMACP          HIB      9       14   0 00:00:00.00        35     21F 2120041C TCPIP$FTP_1     MUTEX   10    10072   0 00:00:00.58       685	    303  NKF 2120041D TCPIP$PWIP_ACP  HIB      9       57   0 00:00:00.05       134    156F 2120041E SMTP_VENUS2_01  HIB      4      658   0 00:00:00.11       432    213F 2120041F TNT_SERVER      HIB      6      319   0 00:00:00.18       641    944F 21200421 TNT12120041F    LEF      2       68   0 00:00:00.04       674	    227  SdF 21200422 DCE$DCED        HIB      8      276   0 00:00:00.08       640    590F 21200424 LATACP          HIB     14        8   0 00:00:00.01        74     57F 21200427 TOMCAT_8007     HIB      6     2596   0 00:00:02.80     10570   2436 MF 2120042B REGISTRY_SERVER HIB      8      101   0 00:00:00.07       225    277 MF 2120043B M2DBIO$FTPWATCH LEF      5    17773   0 00:00:04.50     16465     77F 2120043C Watch_VENUS2    LEF      6     5995   0 00:00:01.42     10291    103F 21200442 TCPIP$FTPC00013 HIB      6     5318   0 00:00:01.38       267	    239  N F 2120044E TCPIP$FTPC00020 HIB      6    10182   0 00:00:02.99       304	    279  N F 2120044F TCPIP$FTPC00017 HIB      6     4961   0 00:00:01.58       270	    241  N F 21200452 TCPIP$FTPC00023 HIB      6     4967   0 00:00:01.41       268	    239  N F 21200455 TCPIP$FTPC00024 HIB      6    11868   0 00:00:02.90       267	    237  NnF 21200458 TCPIP$FTPC00029 HIB      6     6622   0 00:00:01.57       268	    241  NnF 2120045C TCPIP$FTPC0002B HIB      6     6888   0 00:00:01.76       258	    237  N F 21200464 TCPIP$FTPC00052 HIB      6       69   0 00:00:00.00       222	    202  N-F 21200465 TCPIP$FTPC00050 HIB      6       67   0 00:00:00.05       222	    202  NyF 21200466 TCPIP$FTPC00053 HIB      6       66   0 00:00:00.01       222	    202  N$F 21200467 TCPIP$FTPC00059 HIB      6       66   0 00:00:00.02       222	    202  NoF 21200468 TCPIP$FTPC0005A HIB      6       67   0 00:00:00.02       222	    202  NsF 2120046C DECW$TE_046C    LEF      5    12429   0 00:00:01.36       921    671F 2120046D _FTA2:          COM      4     7244   0 00:00:01.22      8969   2048F 21200470 SPI             CUR      4     1097   0 00:00:00.32       858    196& US2|...[EQSPED.SRC] tcpip show version  ?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 3 @   on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 666 MHz running OpenVMS V7.3      0 US2|...[EQSPED.SRC] tcpip show service ftp /full   Service: FTP-                            State:     Enabledq? Port:               21     Protocol:  TCP             Address: - 0.0.0.0y? Inactivity:          5     User_name: TCPIP$FTP       Process: h	 TCPIP$FTP C Limit:              80     Active:     16             Peak:      296  r, File:         TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$FTP_RUN.COM Flags:        None  - Socket Opts:  Rcheck Scheckd0  Receive:            0     Send:               0  @F Log Opts:     Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct TimO Addr8  File:        SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG  . Security  Reject msg:  not defineds  Accept host: 0.0.0.0   Accept netw: 0.0.0.00  ( US2|...[EQSPED.SRC] product show history  ; ----------------------------------- ----------- -----------e --------------------D PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIME; ----------------------------------- ----------- -----------' --------------------; DEC AXPVMS ALP_DWEURO V1.1-1        Full LP     Install      14-JAN-2002 09:39:52; DEC AXPVMS TCPIP_ECO V5.1-153       Patch       Install    g 14-JAN-2002 09:37:55; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_LIBRTL V1.0        Patch       Install      14-JAN-2002 09:34:19; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_UPDATE V1.0        Patch       Install    - 14-JAN-2002 09:34:11; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_MAIL V1.0          Patch       Install    t 05-OCT-2001 11:07:40; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_RMS V1.0           Patch       Install    . 05-OCT-2001 11:07:40; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_SYSBOOT V1.0       Patch       Install      05-OCT-2001 11:07:40; DEC AXPVMS FASTVM130 V1.3-BETA1     Full LP     Install    L 25-SEP-2001 16:00:35; CPQ AXPVMS CSWS_JAVA V1.0           Full LP     Install    w 25-SEP-2001 13:07:17; CPQ AXPVMS CSWS V1.1                Full LP     Install      25-SEP-2001 12:22:27; CPQ AXPVMS CSWS V1.1                Full LP     Remove       25-SEP-2001 12:21:40; CPQ AXPVMS CSWS V1.1                Full LP     Install    r 25-SEP-2001 12:20:14; DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Install    l 21-AUG-2001 18:10:04; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_DRIVER V1.0        Patch       Install    a 21-AUG-2001 10:17:34; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_LAN V1.0           Patch       Install    l 21-AUG-2001 10:17:07; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_LINKER V1.0        Patch       Install    p 21-AUG-2001 10:16:36; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_SHADOWING V1.0     Patch       Install      21-AUG-2001 10:16:04; DEC AXPVMS VMS73_SYS V2.0           Patch       Install    $ 21-AUG-2001 10:15:19; DEC AXPVMS DCOM V1.1-B              Full LP     Install    w 21-AUG-2001 09:29:07; DEC AXPVMS JAVA130 V1.3-1           Full LP     Install      21-AUG-2001 09:01:24; DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3     Full LP     Install      26-JUL-2001 09:38:46; DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI V7.3          Full LP     Remove       26-JUL-2001 09:38:22; DEC AXPVMS NS_NAV_EXPORT V3.3       Full LP     Install      24-APR-2001 09:47:58; DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI V7.3          Full LP     Install    i 17-APR-2001 10:33:28; DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Install    l 12-APR-2001 15:57:55; DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3             Platform    Install    e 12-APR-2001 15:57:55; DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.1-15            Full LP     Install      12-APR-2001 15:57:55; DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3                 Oper System Install    a 12-APR-2001 15:57:55; ----------------------------------- ----------- -----------  --------------------  n 28 items found   Joerg Spilling EQUIcon Software GmbH Jena Germany9   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:31:26 +0100$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>+ Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP hangs in MUTEX state-2 Message-ID: <O0oh8.629$fL6.10064@news.cpqcorp.net>  2 "Joerg Spilling" <spi@equicon.de> wrote in message7 news:dfc30fc1.0203060316.73c5cd7d@posting.google.com...-@ > Hi folks, I need some ideas or help for the following problem: >aD > I'm running OpenVMS 7.3 on as DS20e, TCP/IP V5.1 ECO 3 and I think7 > that I have most of the recent 7.3 patches installed.e >gF > In my application, I have many PC's connecting to the server via FTPH > and download some files. After some times, the FTP process goes in theG > MUTEX state (all what I can do is reboot?). Starting and stopping FTPVE > don't work (because of MUTEX state). I'm currently not able to findK9 > out on what MUTEX the process hangs. Any ideas or help?  >oF > Perhaps anyone can tell me, which newer patches are really required? >U  Hello  H Many Mutex states are just process with depletion quota (bytlm or tqelm) To check that, just do ana/sys  set proc/id=2120041C sh procmH now check if the value for the jib, is it equal to efwm (event flag wait mask) ! if it is, this is a "false Mutex"o if you format the jib  (sda> for jib) and look atq jib$b_flags  1 means bytlm problemr 2 means tqelm problembJ 3 means (in theory, I have never seen it) two jobs in the same job tree in7 Mutex state, one waiting for Bytlm, the other for Tqelmn  E If you have Amds/Availability Manager (download the binaries, doc, ataA http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/availman/news.htmlQ )r= you can add some bytlm or tqelm, and you process will resume.-  ; As Amds:Availability Manager is free, you should install itl   Regardsl   Grard   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 09:20:51 -0800-# From: cpierce1972@yahoo.com (Chris)c+ Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP hangs in MUTEX statea= Message-ID: <8fa47401.0203060920.6a5a274d@posting.google.com>w  j spi@equicon.de (Joerg Spilling) wrote in message news:<dfc30fc1.0203060316.73c5cd7d@posting.google.com>...@ > Hi folks, I need some ideas or help for the following problem:   Hi Jrg.  D > I'm running OpenVMS 7.3 on as DS20e, TCP/IP V5.1 ECO 3 and I think7 > that I have most of the recent 7.3 patches installed.G > F > In my application, I have many PC's connecting to the server via FTPH > and download some files. After some times, the FTP process goes in theG > MUTEX state (all what I can do is reboot?). Starting and stopping FTP'E > don't work (because of MUTEX state). I'm currently not able to findo9 > out on what MUTEX the process hangs. Any ideas or help?   H I had a similar problem running OpenVMS v7.2-1 and TCPware v5.4-3.  Same= situation though, many PC's connecting to the AS4100 via FTP.e  F It turned out that the TQELM for the FTP Server process was exhausted.  O You can check your available timer queue entries with f$getjpi(pid,"tqcnt") ande2 f$getjpi(pid,"tqlm") for the total number allowed.  B It could also be a problem with your BYTLM, which you can get with1 f$getjpi(pid,"bytcnt") and f$getjpi(pid,"bytlm").   C You can also use SDA to determine exactly which one is the problem. H I don't remember the specifics, but I should still have the article thatJ explains how to check it (I can send it to you, if you'd like and if I can	 find it).   K I had to modify the command procedure which created the FTP Server process.mN Increasing the maximum number of timer queue entries that the process can have6 by changing the /QUEUE_LIMIT quota in the RUN command.  I I hope that helps (and that I'm accurate, since this is all from memory).    Chris,   >rE >Perhaps anyone can tell me, which newer patches are really required?x >e >Cheers  >Jrg:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:03:20 +0200# From: "Jaan Kronberg" <kron@hot.ee>v2 Subject: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type6 Message-ID: <3c85bf37$0$159$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee>  	 Hi there,i  J I'm trying to write small program (Perl or VB, depending on system - LinuxI or Windows), that will log into OpenVMS and perform some tasks there. AndwK everything works ok, except - after login vms tries to set terminal type ortH smth and that takes a lot of time... I tried to set term/dev=vt100[vt200E etc], but it can be done only after login, so, it doesn't help much..v  0 Any suggestions? System is Alpha OpenVMS 7-2.1..  ' %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying TNA9933: % -SET-I-UNKTERM, unknown terminal types' %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying TNA9933:i% -SET-I-UNKTERM, unknown terminal typei   thx, jk   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 02:55:46 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 6 Subject: Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type, Message-ID: <3C85CB7B.3E844095@videotron.ca>   Jaan Kronberg wrote:K > or Windows), that will log into OpenVMS and perform some tasks there. AndaM > everything works ok, except - after login vms tries to set terminal type or & > smth and that takes a lot of time...  K Haven't checked this with 7.2 to be most efficient, however, i have a small  script on my PDA which does:  ) when receiving [c or [0c  I respond with n 	<esc>[?63;1;2;6;7;8;9;11;14c   K Now, newer version of VMS will then send some additional sequence to try toeH get the page size. I'll have to redo some tests with a REAL VT220 to seeK exactly what escape sequences are used for the SET TERM/INQUIRE sequence on  VMS 7.2v  I The other possibility is for you to send a <CTRL-Z> upon reception of thee first escape sequence.  ' (eg: system sends <esc>[c or <esc>[0c )y  F The thing is that INQUIRE will do multiple inquiries to see if it getsI anything back, until it gets to one where the terminal responds. (does it| still go down to VT52 ?)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:41:02 +0200# From: "Jaan Kronberg" <kron@hot.ee>r6 Subject: Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type6 Message-ID: <3c85f23e$0$157$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee>   Thx :)  L Could you give me some url's, where I could get more information about thoseE reponses etc (if there are any)? I mean, responses that will make vms - understand, which terminal is use and so on..e thx, jk  K p.s. I looked to dump_log, there really are those [c and [0c's sent by hostn6 :)) So, you were right about locating problem roots...    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C85CB7B.3E844095@videotron.ca... > Jaan Kronberg wrote:I > > or Windows), that will log into OpenVMS and perform some tasks there.d AndnL > > everything works ok, except - after login vms tries to set terminal type or( > > smth and that takes a lot of time... >hG > Haven't checked this with 7.2 to be most efficient, however, i have am smallE > script on my PDA which does: > * > when receiving [c or [0c  I respond with > <esc>[?63;1;2;6;7;8;9;11;14c >nJ > Now, newer version of VMS will then send some additional sequence to try toJ > get the page size. I'll have to redo some tests with a REAL VT220 to seeJ > exactly what escape sequences are used for the SET TERM/INQUIRE sequence on	 > VMS 7.2n > K > The other possibility is for you to send a <CTRL-Z> upon reception of thee > first escape sequence. >i) > (eg: system sends <esc>[c or <esc>[0c )m >tH > The thing is that INQUIRE will do multiple inquiries to see if it getsK > anything back, until it gets to one where the terminal responds. (does ito > still go down to VT52 ?)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 05:47 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)g6 Subject: Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type, Message-ID: <6MAR200205470341@gerg.tamu.edu>  ' "Jaan Kronberg" <kron@hot.ee> writes...G }Thx :)5 } M }Could you give me some url's, where I could get more information about those F }reponses etc (if there are any)? I mean, responses that will make vms. }understand, which terminal is use and so on.. }thx,y }jkw } L }p.s. I looked to dump_log, there really are those [c and [0c's sent by host7 }:)) So, you were right about locating problem roots...i  ' The question is how you are connecting?w  @ If you are actually doing this via the regular telnet program onB your linux system, rather than rolling your own, there is probably= an environment variable you can set which will make it behave ? itself if you set it to "vt100" instead of "xterm" (or whatever ? the default is). I don't remember what the environment variablen* is, but it has been mentioned here before.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 09:45:33 -0500t1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>t6 Subject: Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type2 Message-ID: <3C862B8D.47636A2B@firstdbasource.com>  G if you are logging in as a particular user defined for the sole purposen= of these functions then in your sylogin.com or login.com try:   = $if f$getjpi("","USERNAME") .eqs. "<username>" then goto skip-
 $set term/inq  $skip: .5 .0 .o   or you could just use rsh.     Jaan Kronberg wrote: >  > Hi there,E > L > I'm trying to write small program (Perl or VB, depending on system - LinuxK > or Windows), that will log into OpenVMS and perform some tasks there. AndMM > everything works ok, except - after login vms tries to set terminal type ortJ > smth and that takes a lot of time... I tried to set term/dev=vt100[vt200G > etc], but it can be done only after login, so, it doesn't help much..p > 2 > Any suggestions? System is Alpha OpenVMS 7-2.1.. > ) > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying TNA9933:(' > -SET-I-UNKTERM, unknown terminal typet) > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying TNA9933:s' > -SET-I-UNKTERM, unknown terminal typen >  > thx, > jk   -- e Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163o7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comp Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)  704-236-4377 (Mobile)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:56:24 -0500 From: William_Bochnik@acml.com6 Subject: Re: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type> Message-ID: <OFE155DD5A.B8F93DC4-ON85256B74.005CFAFC@acml.com>  A if it happens "before login" as you say - it's in the system wide # sylogin.com - talk to the sysadmin.       n                                                                                                               n                       Jaan Kronberg                                                                           n                       <kron@hot.ee>                   To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              n                                                       cc:                                                     n                       03/06/2002 02:03         Subject: Telnet to OpenVMS - unknown terminal type             n                       AM                                                                                      n                       Please respond                                                                          n                       to Jaan Kronberg                                                                        n                       <kron@hot.ee>                                                                           n                                                                                                               n                                                                                                                     	 Hi there,   ; I'm trying to write small program (Perl or VB, depending onT system - Linux> or Windows), that will log into OpenVMS and perform some tasks
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 Subject: testX( Message-ID: <a65eqf$2gjk$1@news.uar.net>  + This is a multi-part message in MIME formatV  $ --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/html0+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablec   <HTML> <HEAD>@ <meta http-equiv=3D=22content-type=22 content=3D=22text/html=22> </HEAD>n1 <BODY><FONT FACE=3D=22Times=22><FONT SIZE=3D3><P>A </FONT></FONT> </BODY>  </HTML>l  $ --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/plain+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable7    & --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf--   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 06:23:43 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: UNMESSAGE for Alpha ?3 Message-ID: <JfinIcRWICie@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  G Is there a version of UNMESSAGE for Alpha ? The version that I got fromX* the Madgoat FILESERV archives is VAX only.  I It compiles under Alpha, but fails with an access violation. I have tried E replacing the IHDDEF.H header file in the kit with the Alpha version.   F [UNMESSAGE is a utility to convert a VMS message file back to a source message file].   Thanks for any information,2   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:11:53 GMT_ From: 1076366@charter.nett) Subject: US-NC-Charlotte contract to permD6 Message-ID: <3c86074a.68332046@news-server.cfl.rr.com>  ! US-NC-Charlotte contract to perm O  < Must have: Cobol, CorVision, Vax/Vms AND speak/read Spanish.  F Must have your own S-Corporation, professional liability insurance and< health insurance. Company will not pay interviewing costs or/ relocation. W-2 status available, but pays lessV  ) Send your resume to:  j1076366@cfl.rr.comA  2 Please state salary requirements and availability.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:54:34 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>- Subject: usenet@news.uar.net; Message-ID: <01KF1PWYMFT08ZM0W4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>d  H I hope that you read this here, since you didn't provide a valid return  address.  B Please stop posting test messages here.  There are groups such as G alt.test for that purpose.  If you emailed to info-vax, it's obviously O getting through.  G Also, keep in mind that HTML is not appropriate for newsgroup postings.e  K ---------------------------8<----------------------------------------------   % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:45:27 +0200  From: test@test.comn
 Subject: testS To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComI Reply-to: test@test.comt( Message-id: <a65dc8$2f0g$1@news.uar.net>0 Organization: Ukranian Academic Research Network$ X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uar.net   <HTML> <HEAD>4 <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html"> </HEAD>a) <BODY><FONT FACE="Times"><FONT SIZE=3><P>n </FONT></FONT> </BODY>a </HTML>T   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:12:57 -00004 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: Re: VAX PascalcA Message-ID: <1015406058.5604.1.nnrp-12.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>p  B "John Reagan" wrote in message news:3C850827.3000702@compaq.com...F > Once you look it up in the documents, here is a short Pascal example >b, > program use_lib$get_foreign(input,output); >f > type $word = [word] 0..65535;    I've got to ask:K why don't you (and the generated starlet etc) now use the builtin datatypesn such as UNSIGNED16 ?D Is it back-compatibility, portability, habit, or some other reason ?  
 Chris Sharmane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 08:47:39 +0000a7 From: oussama hassairi <oussama.hassairi@netcom.com.tn>s Subject: vax to tcp/ip- Message-ID: <3C85D7AA.5BF7BA29@netcom.com.tn>b   helloq  > can you help me in vax  integration to a TCP/IP switched  LAN?> how can IP users of a switched lan communicate with vax6000 or
 microvax3100?-   thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 03:59:18 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s Subject: Re: vax to tcp/ip+ Message-ID: <3C85DA65.FAA6A1A@videotron.ca>.   oussama hassairi wrote:n@ > can you help me in vax  integration to a TCP/IP switched  LAN?@ > how can IP users of a switched lan communicate with vax6000 or > microvax3100?     2 You need to install a TCPIP software on your VAX.   K Compaq has the TCPIP services software, there is also software from Processm (Multinet) and perhaps others.  H If your budget is nil and you are commercial, you can also look into theJ CMU-IP stack which is available on the net. It it old, but has the basics.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:29:43 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: vax to tcp/ip+ Message-ID: <a6523n$bd1$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  [ In article <3C85DA65.FAA6A1A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:h >oussama hassairi wrote:A >> can you help me in vax  integration to a TCP/IP switched  LAN? A >> how can IP users of a switched lan communicate with vax6000 ord >> microvax3100? >j >p3 >You need to install a TCPIP software on your VAX. a > L >Compaq has the TCPIP services software, there is also software from Process >(Multinet) and perhaps others.  > I Also TCPWARE from Process. If you are a hobbyist you can use any of theseb
 TCPIP stacks.s    I >If your budget is nil and you are commercial, you can also look into thedK >CMU-IP stack which is available on the net. It it old, but has the basics.m  H Before using CMU-IP carefully check all the license PAKS which came withI your Vaxes. You may discover you have a UCX or NAS license which providesQ* support for Dec TCPIP Services (aka UCX).     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:57:21 GMTl4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>& Subject: What is DTSC in a VMS context0 Message-ID: <3C864943.F926C18E@blueyonder.co.uk>   Hi  2 Anyone know what DTSC is, altavista and searching ( www.openvms.compaq.com reveals no clues.   Regards    -- e Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  r  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of l! my employers or service provider.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:07:31 GMTt' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> ; Subject: Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 3000 $ Message-ID: <3c85f815$1@zfree.co.nz>   Jeff,   : the Alpha now boots from the AXP/VMS V7.3 installation CD.; I tried to boot after each step and step 3, set srm_boot onM? did the trick. It apparently creates a new variable and allows i VMS to boot from CD.E The next question is: how can I format the disk as a Files-11 volume.e; DKA0 now has NT4 on it and is (probably) formatted as NTFS.p   Hans  , Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> wrote:E >The DS 3300 is a "white box" AlphaServer 800 hobbled to run NT only.a >K# >To run VMS on it do the following;i >l0 >  1) Change the machine to use the SRM console. > @ >  2) Do a  >>> show conf  command to see the machine's firmware >     versions. Go to  > 8 >         http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/ > C >     If the machine is not at the latest firmware version download: >     a copy and update it.  >e1 >  3) Then at the >>> prompt, type the following:, >w >        >>> set os_type vmsA >        >>> cat nvram       (to see what, if anything, is in it)e >        >>> edit nvrama >            10 set srm_boot one >            20 e  >        >>> initR >N  >   4) Install VMS and have fun! >t= >Change the line numbers, 10 and 20 above, if your nvram file . >happens to have other commands in it already. >e; >The edit command above runs a simple line numbered editor.t/ >Type a ? in it to see a list of it's commands:u >l >        >>> edit nvram  >            ? >( >Jeff Campbell >n8wxs@arrl.net) >  >Hans Vlems wrote: >> -9 >> The label on the back shows the following information:r >> g >> Model: FR-K7F2W-WAc >> PN: 3300 6400Ae >> Series: P8800 >>  E >> The system is a white PC style box. It is _not_ a DEC 3000 machine G >> (the ones that look remotely like a VAX 3100). Could it be a Jensen?t% >> The ARC console identification is:I >> ,' >> Digital Server 3000 model 3300 6400Ad >> Digital Alpha 21164 >> oJ >> The machine used to boot NT4, but its ARC console supports also VMS and OSFs8 >> modes. All I want is to be able to run AXP/VMS on it.D >> The error message reported was the result of >>> B -fl 0,0 dka500L >> where dka500 is the CD drive. It does boot into SYSBOOT>, no problem with >> that.G >> The fact that the system supports both ARC and VMS/OSF console modesr2 >> made me think that VMS might run on the system. >> r >> Hanse >>  6 >> rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:M >> >In article <3c840244.1214705283@news.wcc.govt.nz>, rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nzt	 >> wrote:w >> >A >> >>Not sure if it's the same, we got a couple of DEC 3000s here;( >> >>2 DEC 3000 600M and a DEC 3000 300L >> >>The latter is running 7.3  >> >>The 600Ms are running 7.2-1 >> >>eA >> >>Palcode Version on the 300L is 5.54 and on the 600Ms is 5.56c >> >>t >> >>Maybe a Firmware thing? >> >K >> >The above are conventional DEC 3000 server or workstation systems.  VMSyI >> >has supported them since the flood.  There haven't been major changes  to; >> >the firmware for years.  These systems will load eithera= >> >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0702.EXE (any of the 3000-300 family) ori2 >> >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0402.EXE (any of the others). >> > >> >H >> >>On Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:49:21 GMT, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> >> >>wrote:0 >> >>T >> >>>F >> >>>I found an old Dig. Server 3000 and tried to boot VMS 7.3 on it.' >> >>>It failed with the error message:0. >> >>>Unable to load SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE( >> >>>The VMS PALcode version is V1.20-32 >> >>>The >>>show version command returns V5.4-113 >> >G >> >This is something completely different.  I don't recognize the namelI >> >"Digital Server 3000" as being a VMS-capable system.  (Which does not  mean= >> >there is no such beast.)  Certainly, if it is looking fortJ >> >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE, it is NOT a Pelican, Flamingo, or Sandpiper/ >> >class DEC 3000 system.  No relation at all.a >> > >> >(This web pageI >> >   http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html,H >> >summarizes the DEC 3000 family pretty nicely, including the formerly" >> >top-secret system code names.) >> >H >> >On my systems, there's no SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE in the [SYS$LDR]G >> >directory, which is the root problem.  The console sets up the data-I >> >structures that lets VMS figure this out.  There's no intelligence in  VMSt >> >in this area.t >> >I >> >Please be VERY careful with system names.  If you can find the label,a postK >> >exactly what the model name is.  Since you seem to have console access, 3 >> >tell us the exact system name from the console.f >> >J >> >This _may_ be one of the crippled systems that was tweeked to make VMSI >> >unbootable.  The "E505" part of the file name looks suspicious, since0 IoJ >> >don't think the most significant bit of that hex number is ever set onJ >> >"official" VMS-supported systems.  But my memory may be faultly.  Some ofJ >> >these systems shipped with VMS PALcode, but VMS does not support them. >> >4 >> >>>Is there any hope to boot, say, VMS 6.2 on it? >> >I >> >If it's similar enough to a supported system, it could likely be madem to( >> >work.  Licensing might be a problem. >> >F >> >If you find the detailed system specs, and have access to a sourceH >> >listings kit, and can write your own platform support and maybe some bootK >> >drivers, then I'm certain you could boot VMS on it.  But this paragraph D >> >likely needs multiple smileys.  You're looking for hobbyist, not >> >obsession, right?n >> > >> >  -- RobertL >> U >> http://www.zfree.co.nzr       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:05:25 GMTeL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"); Subject: Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 3000S8 Message-ID: <00A0A84C.9BE25753@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  N In article <3c85f815$1@zfree.co.nz>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> writes: >h >Jeff, >d; >the Alpha now boots from the AXP/VMS V7.3 installation CD. < >I tried to boot after each step and step 3, set srm_boot on@ >did the trick. It apparently creates a new variable and allows  >VMS to boot from CD. F >The next question is: how can I format the disk as a Files-11 volume.< >DKA0 now has NT4 on it and is (probably) formatted as NTFS.  I So now you're running VMS from the CD, right?  If you do a fresh install  H on the system disk (which is one of the menu options on the installationC CD), it will INIT the disk as a FILES-11 device and put VMS on it.    M (However, if you want to do this yourself, you can choose the "execute a DCL  5 command" menu option and then $ INIT DKA0: yourself.)   K VMS isn't going to recognize NTFS as a file system, and even if it did, it   would let you init it.   -- Alan  >   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:03:41 +01007 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>P; Subject: RE: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 3000iO Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6D5D@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>p  M Remove the NT4 disk from the system or backup it, if you want to preserve it.t  S I haven't heard of if VMS can read NTFS volumes, but if you want a dualboot system.,7 Just leave it on DKA0 and install VMS on an other disk.s   >  > Jeff,7 > < > the Alpha now boots from the AXP/VMS V7.3 installation CD.= > I tried to boot after each step and step 3, set srm_boot on3A > did the trick. It apparently creates a new variable and allows   > VMS to boot from CD.G > The next question is: how can I format the disk as a Files-11 volume.d= > DKA0 now has NT4 on it and is (probably) formatted as NTFS.  >  > Hans > . > Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> wrote:G > >The DS 3300 is a "white box" AlphaServer 800 hobbled to run NT only.e > >s% > >To run VMS on it do the following;t > > 2 > >  1) Change the machine to use the SRM console. > >tB > >  2) Do a  >>> show conf  command to see the machine's firmware > >     versions. Go to  > >p: > >         http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/ > > E > >     If the machine is not at the latest firmware version download- > >     a copy and update it.  > >23 > >  3) Then at the >>> prompt, type the following:s > >D > >        >>> set os_type vmsC > >        >>> cat nvram       (to see what, if anything, is in it)d > >        >>> edit nvramy! > >            10 set srm_boot onc > >            20 el > >        >>> init  > > " > >   4) Install VMS and have fun! > >D? > >Change the line numbers, 10 and 20 above, if your nvram fileS0 > >happens to have other commands in it already. > >_= > >The edit command above runs a simple line numbered editor.t1 > >Type a ? in it to see a list of it's commands:e > >t > >        >>> edit nvram  > >            ? > >- > >Jeff Campbell > >n8wxs@arrl.net4 > >+ > >Hans Vlems wrote: > >> u; > >> The label on the back shows the following information:s > >> u > >> Model: FR-K7F2W-WAf > >> PN: 3300 6400At > >> Series: P8800 > >> oG > >> The system is a white PC style box. It is _not_ a DEC 3000 machineH@ > >> (the ones that look remotely like a VAX 3100). Could it be  > a Jensen? ' > >> The ARC console identification is:< > >> Z) > >> Digital Server 3000 model 3300 6400AL > >> Digital Alpha 21164 > >> w@ > >> The machine used to boot NT4, but its ARC console supports  > also VMS and > OSF_: > >> modes. All I want is to be able to run AXP/VMS on it.F > >> The error message reported was the result of >>> B -fl 0,0 dka500? > >> where dka500 is the CD drive. It does boot into SYSBOOT>, i > no problem witha
 > >> that.< > >> The fact that the system supports both ARC and VMS/OSF  > console modesn4 > >> made me think that VMS might run on the system. > >> t	 > >> Hansv > >> o8 > >> rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:9 > >> >In article <3c840244.1214705283@news.wcc.govt.nz>, > > rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz > >> wrote:f > >> >C > >> >>Not sure if it's the same, we got a couple of DEC 3000s hereo* > >> >>2 DEC 3000 600M and a DEC 3000 300L  > >> >>The latter is running 7.3" > >> >>The 600Ms are running 7.2-1 > >> >>0C > >> >>Palcode Version on the 300L is 5.54 and on the 600Ms is 5.56e > >> >>c > >> >>Maybe a Firmware thing? > >> >@ > >> >The above are conventional DEC 3000 server or workstation  > systems.  VMS > > >> >has supported them since the flood.  There haven't been  > major changesc > to= > >> >the firmware for years.  These systems will load either ? > >> >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0702.EXE (any of the 3000-300 family) orr4 > >> >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0402.EXE (any of the others). > >> > > >> >6 > >> >>On Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:49:21 GMT, "Hans Vlems"  > <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>
 > >> >>wrote:u > >> >>v > >> >>>H > >> >>>I found an old Dig. Server 3000 and tried to boot VMS 7.3 on it.) > >> >>>It failed with the error message: 0 > >> >>>Unable to load SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE* > >> >>>The VMS PALcode version is V1.20-34 > >> >>>The >>>show version command returns V5.4-113 > >> >7 > >> >This is something completely different.  I don't b > recognize the name< > >> >"Digital Server 3000" as being a VMS-capable system.   > (Which does noti > mean? > >> >there is no such beast.)  Certainly, if it is looking fort@ > >> >SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE, it is NOT a Pelican, Flamingo,  > or Sandpiper1 > >> >class DEC 3000 system.  No relation at all.n > >> > > >> >(This web page	 > >> >   -B http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.htmlH >> >summarizes the DEC 3000 family pretty nicely, including the formerly" >> >top-secret system code names.) >> >H >> >On my systems, there's no SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_E505.EXE in the [SYS$LDR]G >> >directory, which is the root problem.  The console sets up the dataaI >> >structures that lets VMS figure this out.  There's no intelligence ina VMSt >> >in this area.v >> >I >> >Please be VERY careful with system names.  If you can find the label,  postK >> >exactly what the model name is.  Since you seem to have console access,-3 >> >tell us the exact system name from the console.0 >> >J >> >This _may_ be one of the crippled systems that was tweeked to make VMSI >> >unbootable.  The "E505" part of the file name looks suspicious, sincea InJ >> >don't think the most significant bit of that hex number is ever set onJ >> >"official" VMS-supported systems.  But my memory may be faultly.  Some ofJ >> >these systems shipped with VMS PALcode, but VMS does not support them. >> >4 >> >>>Is there any hope to boot, say, VMS 6.2 on it? >> >I >> >If it's similar enough to a supported system, it could likely be madeP to( >> >work.  Licensing might be a problem. >> >F >> >If you find the detailed system specs, and have access to a sourceH >> >listings kit, and can write your own platform support and maybe some bootK >> >drivers, then I'm certain you could boot VMS on it.  But this paragraphoD >> >likely needs multiple smileys.  You're looking for hobbyist, not >> >obsession, right?  >> > >> >  -- Roberte >> u >> http://www.zfree.co.nza       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Mar 2002 05:08:15 -0800-) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)7> Subject: Re: why is '-' a syntax error in linker options file?= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0203060508.758bde26@posting.google.com>t   "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> wrote in message news:<craig.berry-EF3447.09154005032002@news.directvinternet.com>...r  i- > Dunno about COBOL but it's quite easy in C.- ...-& > $ library/object/create test foo-bar > $ library/list testf ....	 > FOO-BARe  * *VERY* good point, even with C involved...   H cre foo-bar.bas1 1i   sub foo() 	   end suba   2i   sub bar()a	   end subm  
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