1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 08 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 132       Contents:, 2nd hand hardware/cables in uk, where is it?0 Re: 2nd hand hardware/cables in uk, where is it?0 Re: 2nd hand hardware/cables in uk, where is it?' Anyone in the UK using BACWAY for BACS? 2 Re: best/most flexible preserve VMS files onto CD?2 Re: best/most flexible preserve VMS files onto CD?  Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp$ Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp' Re: Compaq Qvision video cards ( EISA ) D Content Advisory Teams - Compaq Enterprise Technology Symposium 2002 Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing  Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing  Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing  Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing  Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing  Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing % Re: emacs21 working a little bit more ) Fiorina audio interview - streaming audio - Re: Fiorina audio interview - streaming audio - Re: Fiorina audio interview - streaming audio ' FS: Compaq Qvision video cards ( EISA ) + Re: FS: Compaq Qvision video cards ( EISA ) & Re: GEMBASE in GS Servers *** HELP ***' Re: HP Unix servers plunge below $1,000 ) IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ... - Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ... - Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ... - Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ... - Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ... - Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ...  Re: Incremental BACKUP question  Re: Incremental BACKUP question " instruction 'free' in C with VM os& Re: instruction 'free' in C with VM os& Re: instruction 'free' in C with VM os Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles	 Job spec.  Limiting individual user logins # Re: Limiting individual user logins # Re: Limiting individual user logins # Re: Limiting individual user logins # RE: Limiting individual user logins # Re: Limiting individual user logins # RE: Limiting individual user logins # Re: Limiting individual user logins ( Re: List of ECOs combination that works?+ Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads + Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads + Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads + Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads 3 Re: Netscape annoyance with OpenVMS CGI executables 3 Re: Netscape annoyance with OpenVMS CGI executables   Re: OpenVMS jobs available - FYIP Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of  Compaq AcP Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq AcqP Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq Acq" Re: Shutdowning 15 VAX machines..." Re: Shutdowning 15 VAX machines..." Re: Shutdowning 15 VAX machines..." Re: TCPIP$FTP hangs in MUTEX state UCX$TELNETSYM error message  Re: UCX$TELNETSYM error message  Re: UCX$TELNETSYM error message  Re: UCX$TELNETSYM error message 6 Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax6 Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax6 Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax6 Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax6 RE: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax6 Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax6 Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax2 Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 3000 Where can I find LSE ? Re: Where can I find LSE ? RE: Where can I find LSE ? Re: Where can I find LSE ?P Re: Why no DEFINE /GROUP=nnnn? (was re: define "group-logicals" at system startu  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 15:14:41 GMT ( From: joechip31@hotmail.com (Herb Asher)5 Subject: 2nd hand hardware/cables in uk, where is it? 8 Message-ID: <3c88d4e0.2385319@news1.uncensored-news.com>  
 Hi people,  F ebay.co.uk is pants when it comes to looking for 2nd hand vt's, cablesA and keyboards etc. Where is it all in the UK. Who is selling this  stuff?    A Any pointers would be of great help. I am in the south east but I . guess any uk seller would parcel force it. :O)   Thanks and regards,  Herb  F ______________________________________________________________________R Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.comP    With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source      ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:24:42 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> 9 Subject: Re: 2nd hand hardware/cables in uk, where is it? ) Message-ID: <3C88D7B9.8172EBBD@Omond.net>    Herb Asher wrote:    > Hi people, > H > ebay.co.uk is pants when it comes to looking for 2nd hand vt's, cablesC > and keyboards etc. Where is it all in the UK. Who is selling this  > stuff?  & OK, I'll admit it ... I'll come clean.   I've hoarded it *all* :-)          P.s. hi G !    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:47:37 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>9 Subject: Re: 2nd hand hardware/cables in uk, where is it? ) Message-ID: <3C88EB29.9975B5C2@127.0.0.1>    Herb Asher wrote: H > ebay.co.uk is pants when it comes to looking for 2nd hand vt's, cablesC > and keyboards etc. Where is it all in the UK. Who is selling this  > stuff? > C > Any pointers would be of great help. I am in the south east but I 0 > guess any uk seller would parcel force it. :O)  " http://www.lightningsystems.co.uk/  G Bob always seems to have a lot in stock. I can't say I'd personally pay G his prices, but in your case it's a sellers market. I've had stuff from ; in in the past though and he's been fine. Like's his Wyses!    --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:59:46 +0000  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com0 Subject: Anyone in the UK using BACWAY for BACS?: Message-ID: <OFEC960F97.A70099FD-ON00256B76.0057B7C4@btyp>  G I am wondering whether the new NT based solution is better than the OS2 I solution we have at the moment. And if anyone has 'upgraded' to this, did  Telesmart charge them?   Cheers   Steve S       F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has G been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, $ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received K this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.   
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.   I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, D RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 07:00:34 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: best/most flexible preserve VMS files onto CD? 3 Message-ID: <fhJX8xM5GqNk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3C883830.3ADBD9C9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  ^ >> In article <3C86EC4D.3DB7C663@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >>  J >> > The guys at TECsys turned me onto a method of co-mapping a CD so thatK >> > ISO side points to the extents of the "VMS side". Trouble there is, of / >> > course, the record format problem remains.  >>  D >> The ISO 9660 standard provides for storage of RMS record formats,E >> so there should be no problem with any standards-compliant reader.  > H > I think the question left unanswered from a previous thread was, "doesI > VMS/RMS provide ISO-9660 support?". Since such containers are typically J > MOUNTed as software write-locked, I don't see how that's possible. SinceH > you can't write RMS meta data into the ISO-9660 cells, how can VMS/RMS > read anything back?   D You _can_ write RMS metadata into the ISO-9660 cells when you createB CD-ROMs.  We were discussion creating a CD-ROM.  But as mentioned,B you can also make it a dual-format CD-ROM, sharing the data.  ThusD the RMS record format is available for the non-VMS access originally@ implied.  Whether those readers are standards-compliant is not a
 VMS issue.  H > So, with no standards-compliant RMS-capable writer (unless you know ofD > one, URL please if you do), the existence of a standards-compliant > reader is moot.   D My presumption is that anybody who wants this will program it, since5 ISO-9660 software for VMS is largely freeware anyway.   A If you want a commercial product, the question is the same as for , porting SCAN to Alpha -- is there a market ?   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 07:02:07 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: best/most flexible preserve VMS files onto CD? 3 Message-ID: <esiP3J7n8Ojv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3C883A1B.9C6E5177@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Hoff Hoffman wrote: 	 >> [snip] 8 >>   Details on the OpenVMS CD-R options are in the FAQ. > E > Unfortunately, the details we need are nowhere to be found, AFAICT:  > A > o Assuming the ISO-9660 data cells are properly filled with RMS G > metadata, (i.e., RMS attributes are written to the IS0-9660 fs), will ' > VMS/RMS look for them and honor them?   @ Certainly that information is on the source listings kit, but itA seems immaterial since VMS can read the ODS tree of a dual format  CD-ROM.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:27:23 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ) Subject: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp ' Message-ID: <3C88AE2B.5DE69034@aaa.com>    Hi.  I'm stuck...  ; ("a" and "b" below are placeholders for my real host names)   9 I have a system (VMS 7.1-2, TCPIP 5.0A, DS20E) who's name ' right now is , lets say, a.<my-doamin>.   ' I want to change this to b.<my-domain>.   @ I'v done a SET CONF INTER WE0 /HOST="b" and rebooted the system.< I'v also updated the local host table and replaced the entry% for "a" to "b" with the same address.    Now, doing a :   netstat "-I" WE0   shows   C Name  Mtu   Network     Address      Ipkts Ierrs  Opkts Oerrs  Coll 9 WE0   1500  10.201.240  b     2357  0      1376  0      0   % But SMTP still calles this host "a" :    $ telnet 127.0.0.1/port=25& %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 127.0.0.16 %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 127.0.0.1, port 25C 220 a.<my-domain> V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.1-2 Alpha ready at Fri, 08 M   quit6 221 a.<my-domain> Service closing transmission channel- %TELNET-S-REMCLOSED, Remote connection closed 6 -TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 127.0.0.1, port 25 $   G So the question is, how to also get the smtp part of tcpip to call this  box  b.<my-domain> ??  G Of course I want all outging mail to be sent from <user>@b.<my-domain>.    Regards  Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:37:15 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> - Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp ; Message-ID: <01KF4DQ2OHLU8ZOX9C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   ? Just general comments---perhaps someone will post more details.   G I've always just done @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG for changing names and  2 addresses, and of course $  TCPIP SET CONFIG SMTP.  D Note the existence of the TCPIP$SMTP_FROM logical.  This enables an E ordinary user to put something other than the default into the From:  + header.  Not sure when this was introduced.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:48:05 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> - Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp ' Message-ID: <3C88C115.3C04A690@aaa.com>   " Ah, logicals may be the key word ! Found this on the system :  *   "TCPIP$INET_HOST" = "<my-old-node-name>"  : Now, I can't find anywhere where this logical is DEFINE'd.   Any pointers ?  ? A note, I can't actualy disable the interface or shutdown TCPIP G to do any changes. I have to update the TCPIP configuration database or G the startup command files. If I shutdown the system, I loose control of  it.   F I'm sitting at my home in Sweden and the system is in Nanjing/China...  	 Jan-Erik.      Phillip Helbig wrote:  > A > Just general comments---perhaps someone will post more details.  > H > I've always just done @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG for changing names and4 > addresses, and of course $  TCPIP SET CONFIG SMTP. > E > Note the existence of the TCPIP$SMTP_FROM logical.  This enables an F > ordinary user to put something other than the default into the From:- > header.  Not sure when this was introduced.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:50:00 GMT 0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu>- Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp > Message-ID: <MPG.16f28b93cf598d9698969a@news.bellatlantic.net>  ; In article <3C88AE2B.5DE69034@aaa.com>, aaa@aaa.com says...  > Hi.  > I'm stuck... > = > ("a" and "b" below are placeholders for my real host names)  > ; > I have a system (VMS 7.1-2, TCPIP 5.0A, DS20E) who's name ) > right now is , lets say, a.<my-doamin>.  > ) > I want to change this to b.<my-domain>.  > B > I'v done a SET CONF INTER WE0 /HOST="b" and rebooted the system.> > I'v also updated the local host table and replaced the entry' > for "a" to "b" with the same address.  >  > Now, doing a : >  > netstat "-I" WE0 >  > shows  > E > Name  Mtu   Network     Address      Ipkts Ierrs  Opkts Oerrs  Coll ; > WE0   1500  10.201.240  b     2357  0      1376  0      0  > ' > But SMTP still calles this host "a" :   1 Actually, no...  SMTP calls 127.0.0.1 host "a"... 0 From your example, we don't know what SMTP calls WE0's IP address.   ) What does TCPIP SHOW HOST 127.0.0.1 show?   Maybe you need to fix that, too.   > $ telnet 127.0.0.1/port=25( > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 127.0.0.18 > %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 127.0.0.1, port 25E > 220 a.<my-domain> V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.1-2 Alpha ready at Fri, 08 M   > quit8 > 221 a.<my-domain> Service closing transmission channel/ > %TELNET-S-REMCLOSED, Remote connection closed 8 > -TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 127.0.0.1, port 25 > $  > I > So the question is, how to also get the smtp part of tcpip to call this  > box  > b.<my-domain> ??  B Also, is there a DNS service?  Running locally or on another host,  it will also need to be updated.   Hope one of my guesses helps.   I > Of course I want all outging mail to be sent from <user>@b.<my-domain>.  > 	 > Regards  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  >    --   John   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:53:48 +0100* From: "Sven Tieste" <sven.tieste@sw-hb.de>- Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp 2 Message-ID: <a6aevk$i6c$1@f40-3.zfn.uni-bremen.de>   Hi, 8 in addition to the further answer you may have a look in9 tcpip show conf smtp. There is a substitute domain given. . This changes the "from:" into the smtp header.D If you use this have a look at the tcpip$smtp_no_subs_domain_inbound logical.	 greetings  Sven    ; Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:  3C88AE2B.5DE69034@aaa.com... > Hi.  > I'm stuck... > = > ("a" and "b" below are placeholders for my real host names)  > ; > I have a system (VMS 7.1-2, TCPIP 5.0A, DS20E) who's name ) > right now is , lets say, a.<my-doamin>.  > ) > I want to change this to b.<my-domain>.  > B > I'v done a SET CONF INTER WE0 /HOST="b" and rebooted the system.> > I'v also updated the local host table and replaced the entry' > for "a" to "b" with the same address.  >  > Now, doing a : >  > netstat "-I" WE0 >  > shows  > E > Name  Mtu   Network     Address      Ipkts Ierrs  Opkts Oerrs  Coll ; > WE0   1500  10.201.240  b     2357  0      1376  0      0s > ' > But SMTP still calles this host "a" :a >s > $ telnet 127.0.0.1/port=25( > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 127.0.0.18 > %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 127.0.0.1, port 25D > 220 a.<my-domain> V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.1-2 Alpha ready at Fri, 08 M > quit8 > 221 a.<my-domain> Service closing transmission channel/ > %TELNET-S-REMCLOSED, Remote connection closedh8 > -TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 127.0.0.1, port 25 > $e >hI > So the question is, how to also get the smtp part of tcpip to call thish > boxh > b.<my-domain> ?? > I > Of course I want all outging mail to be sent from <user>@b.<my-domain>.  > 	 > Regardss > Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:54:42 +0100e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>a- Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp2' Message-ID: <3C88C2A2.FDF437A6@aaa.com>C   John Santos wrote: > + > What does TCPIP SHOW HOST 127.0.0.1 show?1   $ TCPIP SHOW HOST 127.0.0.1S        t      LOCAL databaseC    Host address    Host name   c$ 127.0.0.1       LOCALHOST, localhost $   " > Maybe you need to fix that, too.  
 Fix what ?   > D > Also, is there a DNS service?  Running locally or on another host," > it will also need to be updated.  @ That has been done already. The VMS box can currently be reached@ from the outside under both the old and the new name becuse both/ names are currently defined in the DNS servers.   D But that's not the problem. The problem is what the VMS server calls* *itself* when sending mail *out* from VMS.  	 Jan-Erik.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:09:50 GMTi0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu>- Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp > Message-ID: <MPG.16f2903cb6e3656498969b@news.bellatlantic.net>  ; In article <3C88C2A2.FDF437A6@aaa.com>, aaa@aaa.com says...u > John Santos wrote: > > - > > What does TCPIP SHOW HOST 127.0.0.1 show?s >  > $ TCPIP SHOW HOST 127.0.0.1s	 >          >      LOCAL database  >    > Host address    Host namea >  r& > 127.0.0.1       LOCALHOST, localhost > $  > $ > > Maybe you need to fix that, too. >  > Fix what ? > 9 The host name that corresponds to 127.0.0.1, but it looksi like this isn't the problem.   > > F > > Also, is there a DNS service?  Running locally or on another host,$ > > it will also need to be updated. > B > That has been done already. The VMS box can currently be reachedB > from the outside under both the old and the new name becuse both1 > names are currently defined in the DNS servers.p > F > But that's not the problem. The problem is what the VMS server calls, > *itself* when sending mail *out* from VMS.  ? It could be doing a reverse lookup of its own IP address, whiche is why I asked about DNS... bute  > I think Phillip's reply about the logical name is more likely.A I bet it gets defined when you start up TCP/IP.  Since you didn't5? do that, maybe redefining the logical will do the trick.  (I'veT: changed host names before, but never without rebooting...)   > Jan-Erik.o   -- g John   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:12:48 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t- Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtpS' Message-ID: <3C88C6E0.D72810E4@aaa.com>i   Found it !!N  . tcpip set config communication /local_host="b"' tcpip set communication /local_host="b"r  2 That redefined the INIT_HOST logical and all mails1 now commes from "b" instead of the old host name.b  	 Jan-Erik.V   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:15:40 +0100E9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> - Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtpG' Message-ID: <3C88C78C.8C933590@aaa.com>s  / Sorry, should have been INET_HOST, of course...-	 Jan-Erik.-   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  > 
 > Found it !!1 > 0 > tcpip set config communication /local_host="b") > tcpip set communication /local_host="b"w > 4 > That redefined the INIT_HOST logical and all mails3 > now commes from "b" instead of the old host name.n >  > Jan-Erik.i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:16:04 +0100$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>- Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtps2 Message-ID: <xP3i8.728$fL6.13899@news.cpqcorp.net>  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message_! news:3C88AE2B.5DE69034@aaa.com..._ > Hi._ > I'm stuck... >o= > ("a" and "b" below are placeholders for my real host names)c >o; > I have a system (VMS 7.1-2, TCPIP 5.0A, DS20E) who's nameT) > right now is , lets say, a.<my-doamin>.- >-) > I want to change this to b.<my-domain>.   H If you are feeling aventurous (but I decline all responsability...), try' tcpip> copy configuration enable/on=a be* tcpip> copy configuration interface/on=a b- tcpip> copy configuration name_service/on=a bc    But if It fails, you are alone !? As usual, unsupported, undocumented, can go away at any time...l   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:26:49 +0100d9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>-- Subject: Re: Changing host name in TCPIP/smtp ' Message-ID: <3C88CA29.BECD7778@aaa.com>.  5 According to the online HELP in TCPIP, that's to copye1 the config between two cluster members. This is a < single system. And, as I wrote in another post, the solution? was the SET [CONF] COMMUNICATION/LOCAL_HOST="whatever" command.   	 Jan-Erik.    labadie wrote: > J > If you are feeling aventurous (but I decline all responsability...), try) > tcpip> copy configuration enable/on=a bc, > tcpip> copy configuration interface/on=a b/ > tcpip> copy configuration name_service/on=a bc > " > But if It fails, you are alone !A > As usual, unsupported, undocumented, can go away at any time...  > 	 > Regardst >  > Grard   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:49:11 +0100$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>0 Subject: Re: Compaq Qvision video cards ( EISA )/ Message-ID: <PX5i8.91$oI5.2883@news.get2net.dk>c  K AFIK Linux in general is a pain to install on the Jensen.  I think Ultrix 57/ or Tru64 or whatever it is called works though.g   Dweeb.; "CSABA HARANGOZO" <csabah@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message / news:ZOZh8.122$k6.11843@nasal.pacific.net.au...t2 > FOR SALE :  3 x  Compaq Qvision video cards EISA > = > These cards suit Jensen boxes ( DEC 2000 aka DEC AXP 150 )._ >_1 > US$30 each, or two for US$55 or all 3 for US$75s > Postage:   US$5t >e" > I am on Paypal. Cheers,    Csaba >eK >    ----------------------------------------------------------------------eG >    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogiG >    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.sK >    ----------------------------------------------------------------------e= >    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:03:28 -0500- From: "Encompass CETS" <CATS@EncompassUS.org>eM Subject: Content Advisory Teams - Compaq Enterprise Technology Symposium 2002l4 Message-ID: <3c88eea0_2@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com>  I Encompass is looking for engaged members who would like to be part of the H team who will be giving direction on CETS program content. These ContentL Advisory Teams (CATs) provide insight used to develop the conference program: for the 2002 Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium (CETS).   TOPIC AREAS:  H We need technical professionals who have expertise in one or more of the following topic areas:  ; * Operating Systems from a Intel Server platform backgroundE? * Operating Systems from a 64-Bit OS Server platform background>; * Operating Systems from a Linux Server platform backgroundo * SANs and Storage( * CRM Solutions Focusing Retail Commerce@ * Financial Transaction Processing Focusing on High Availability  	 TIMELINE:o  L To help you determine if you have the time to commit to this program, please& review the following timeline summary.  ( * 3/20/2002 Receive materials for review< * 3/25 or 3/26/2002 Participate in 2 hour call(s) to discuss content/topics, * 3/29/2002 Submit notes on proposed content: * 4/24/2002 Review compilation of notes in preparation for second call < * 4/29 or 4/30/2002 Participate in 2 hour call(s) to discuss content/topics+ * 5/3/2002 Submit notes on proposed contenta= * 5/7/2002 Review compilation of notes in second draft reporte2 * 5/10/2002 Submit final notes on proposed content   RSVP:   I If you are interested in sharing your expertise and benefit the EncompasstD membership by participating on one or more of the CATs, please go toE http://www.EncompassUS.org/events/content_advisory.html, fill out thetL appropriate application and return to CATS@EncompassUS.org by 12:00pm EST on Monday, March 11, 2002.p  / We look forward to your being part of the team!l   Encompass Headquarters   CETS Info: www.CETS2002.comy                  N ______________________________________________________________________________N Posted Via Binaries.net = SPEED+RETENTION+COMPLETION = http://www.binaries.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:36:34 +0100 6 From: Serge ZANGHERI <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com>( Subject: Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing5 Message-ID: <3C886A02.518E5D4D@grenoble.sema.slb.com>i  N I know, it s very old, actually we re using 1.3 :-))) . But on this project we must use this version.H Anyway, do you think with 1.7 or later, we could print on OCE using DCPS easily ? Thanx    David McKenzie a crit :  = > Isn't DCPS 1.2 *very old*. I think they are up to about 1.7d >FH > "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message  > news:3c865bd5$1@news.si.com...I > > >Hi, I'm using DCPS 1.2 with TCPIP parameter (P2) to print on a LN17.o3 > > >At the initialize/que I got an abort error....uJ > > >I tried with OCE copier, no problem at the creating queue but the jobL > > >never prints and stay on the queue as printing then starting, the queue3 > > >(which were idle) becomes busy at this moment.? > >6K > > Oce's don't support telnet connection like DCPS uses.  They can only do-- > > Netware (possibly Appletalk) and LPR/LPD.t > > --E > > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeE > > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comtA > > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent @ > > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"< > >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company > >  > >o   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 11:01:49 +0100 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing* Message-ID: <3c888c0d$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ~ In article <1015535244.9108.0.nnrp-07.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>, "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz> writes:< >Isn't DCPS 1.2 *very old*. I think they are up to about 1.7  0 No, they are up to V2.0 (since about a year ago)   -- t< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111 2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111 888,< KAPSCH AG      Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:58:24 +0100i6 From: Serge ZANGHERI <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com>( Subject: Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing5 Message-ID: <3C889950.410B8FE3@grenoble.sema.slb.com>y  N Right, I got the 2.0 DCPS version as well. But that is not answer to my issue.U Anyway, do you think this version 2.0, can print on OCE 3155 via TCPIP, or RAW_TCP ??p Thanxn   Peter LANGSTOEGER a crit :'   > In article <1015535244.9108.0.nnrp-07.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>, "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@paradigm-shift.biz> writes:> > >Isn't DCPS 1.2 *very old*. I think they are up to about 1.7 >i2 > No, they are up to V2.0 (since about a year ago) >t > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111 2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111 888 > > KAPSCH AG      Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:39:14 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>( Subject: Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing; Message-ID: <080320021039146007%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>i  D In article <3C889950.410B8FE3@grenoble.sema.slb.com>, Serge ZANGHERI( <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com> wrote:  P > Right, I got the 2.0 DCPS version as well. But that is not answer to my issue.L > Anyway, do you think this version 2.0, can print on OCE 3155 via TCPIP, or > RAW_TCP ??   I looked at the Oc   -- t  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringl   Compaq Computer Corporatione   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:41:32 -0500s0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>( Subject: Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing; Message-ID: <080320021041324240%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>g  D In article <3C889950.410B8FE3@grenoble.sema.slb.com>, Serge ZANGHERI( <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com> wrote:  P > Right, I got the 2.0 DCPS version as well. But that is not answer to my issue.L > Anyway, do you think this version 2.0, can print on OCE 3155 via TCPIP, or > RAW_TCP ??  " I checked out the Oce 3155 page at  1    <http://www.oce.com/products/3155/3155spc.asp>s  A and, as someone previously posted, the device does not have a rawrF socket as required by DCPS for TCP/IP printing.  The only way you will= be able to print to this printer with DCPS is over AppleTalk.    Paul   -- t  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer CorporationH   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:52:18 +0100n6 From: Serge ZANGHERI <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com>( Subject: Re: DCPS 1.2 and tcpip printing5 Message-ID: <3C88DE32.FD9D36E7@grenoble.sema.slb.com>   % Thanx, I'm running this way... :-))))l   Paul Anderson a crit :0  F > In article <3C889950.410B8FE3@grenoble.sema.slb.com>, Serge ZANGHERI* > <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com> wrote: >.R > > Right, I got the 2.0 DCPS version as well. But that is not answer to my issue.N > > Anyway, do you think this version 2.0, can print on OCE 3155 via TCPIP, or > > RAW_TCP ?? >0$ > I checked out the Oce 3155 page at >.3 >    <http://www.oce.com/products/3155/3155spc.asp>2 >.C > and, as someone previously posted, the device does not have a raw H > socket as required by DCPS for TCP/IP printing.  The only way you will? > be able to print to this printer with DCPS is over AppleTalk.E >- > Paul >s > -- >  Paul Anderson >   OpenVMS Engineeringt >   Compaq Computer Corporationh   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Mar 2002 22:38:59 -0800o From: ohm62@hotmail.com (OHM)i. Subject: Re: emacs21 working a little bit more= Message-ID: <9d337b47.0203072238.2f9c1b66@posting.google.com>s  < > : SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT, AST fault, SP=00000000, param=00000000,M > : PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000, target PC=FFFFFFFF80A50B44, PS=0000001B- >  -! > : Those errors are still there.5* > : I have no idea about what causes them. > 6 > Still suspecting timers, and have still no idea why. > 
 > Regards, > Roar Throns  & I think you may indeed suspect them...  C This problem looks a bit like one I ran into on OpenVMS Alpha V7.*, < using DEC C (or C++) and alarm(), SIGALRM in a multithreadedF environment... (Troubles may appear with 1 thread only, as long as one links with the CMA library).  E When upcalls are enabled, a SIGALRM caught, during the upcall, in ther C RTLCB  produces an ASTFLT exception... This is due to a bug in the C RTL? (IIRC, some nasty trick code landing the upcall in the C RTL isaC temporarily replacing the SIGALRM handler established by the user'slB program with some other handler that raises the ASTFLT exception).  > I logged a call sometime in may last year, but it looks reallyF difficult to fix... ;-)  As I couldn't wait for a patch, I had to pullF all use of SIGALRM, sigsetmask(), alarm() etc...  and to replace thoseB with $SETIMR  (if you are using threads, maybe should you try that
 approach).  = Now that Compaq puts the emphasis on UNIX to VMS portability,7> considering that modern UNIX applications are full of threads,= signals, and other stuff still ignored by VMS, like msgget(),rD shmget(), semget(), syslog(), ...  I hope to see this fixed soon and$ portability improved by a long shot.  
   -- Olivier.h    C FWIW, the sample program included below is the reproducer I sent tos Compaq, to sustain the case...    ' //--------------------------- TESTSIG.CE& -------------------------------------- // Test program:' //    Uses UNIX signals, namely SIGALRMp9 //    Reproduces the ASTFLT exception raised upon SIGALRM + //    in a CMA (via POSIX threads) context.e //4 // The execution shows the SIGALRM interrupt handler // in 3 different contexts2 // (hit Ctrl-C to move from a context to another):+ //    1_ SIGALRM signal handler establishede //    2_ Disabled signalsj //    3_ Reenabled signals //C // This is a bit of overkill, as the problem manifests itself rightr away, A // not depending upon the signal handler context, as I originally  thought,@ // but rather upon the linking method: what looks determinant is@ // the presence or not of the CMA library (even though this test program,> // unlike my main application, does not make any direct use of
 PThreads). //) // Please build the test executable using < //    $ @TESTSIG.COM 1    ! to observe the correct behaviour // thenaE //    $ @TESTSIG.COM 2    ! to reproduce the ASTFLT exception problem  //   #include <descrip.h> #include <iodef.h> #include <libdef.h>e #include <lib$routines.h>a #include <starlet.h> #include <efndef.h>n #include <ssdef.h> #include <stsdef.h>-   #include <unistd.h>- #include <errno.h> #include <stdio.h> #include <string.h>o #include <time.h>. #include <signal.h>:  ; #define USE_SIGALRM   // Comment out/in to respectively use3=                       // the OpenVMS timer or the UNIX signalF	 SIGALRM...   #define DATE_TIME_LEN 30E #define SIGNAL_ERROR( sts )  if ( 1 != ( sts & 1 )) lib$signal( sts )w% #define MIN( x, y ) ( x < y ? x : y )   E typedef struct { unsigned short chn; unsigned long ef; } TCtrlHdlPrm; A typedef struct { unsigned long l1; unsigned long l2; } TQuadword;   & int SetCtrlCHandler( TCtrlHdlPrm *p );   int CtrlCAst( TCtrlHdlPrm *p ) {      int sts = SS$_NORMAL;i  -     fprintf( stderr, "in Ctrl-C handler\n" );t     fflush( stdout );n  D     /* Handler releases the process waiting for passed event flag */     sts = sys$setef( p->ef );y       /* Reset the handler */r     sts = SetCtrlCHandler( p );b       return sts;  }   % int SetCtrlCHandler( TCtrlHdlPrm *p )e {e@     return sys$qiow( p->ef, p->chn, IO$_SETMODE | IO$M_CTRLCAST,7                      0, 0, 0, CtrlCAst, p, 0, 0, 0, 0);  }l     #ifdef USE_SIGALRM     #define ITIMER_REAL 0k   static sigset_t set, oset; static int sigIndent = 0;S     int SetSignalMask()i { &     if ( sigemptyset( &set ) == -1 ) {2         perror("SetSignalMask\\sigemptyset\\set");         return SS$_ABORT;a     }e  '     if ( sigemptyset( &oset ) == -1 ) { 3         perror("SetSignalMask\\sigemptyset\\oset");r         return SS$_ABORT;o     }g  -     if ( sigaddset( &set, SIGUSR1 ) == -1 ) { 4         perror("SetSignalMask\\sigaddset\\SIGUSR1");         return SS$_ABORT;a     }m  -     if ( sigaddset( &set, SIGTERM ) == -1 ) {S4         perror("SetSignalMask\\sigaddset\\SIGTERM");         return SS$_ABORT;m     }i  -     if ( sigaddset( &set, SIGQUIT ) == -1 ) {l4         perror("SetSignalMask\\sigaddset\\SIGQUIT");         return SS$_ABORT;      }t  -     if ( sigaddset( &set, SIGALRM ) == -1 ) {-4         perror("SetSignalMask\\sigaddset\\SIGALRM");         return SS$_ABORT;k     }8       return SS$_NORMAL; }a   int BlockSignals() {g     if ( sigIndent == 0 )G<         if ( sigprocmask( SIG_BLOCK, &set, &oset ) == -1 ) {0             perror("BlockSignals\\sigprocmask");             return SS$_ABORT; 	         }1       sigIndent++;       return SS$_NORMAL; }t   int ReleaseSignals() {t     if ( sigIndent == 1 ) ;         if ( sigprocmask( SIG_SETMASK, &oset, 0 ) == -1 ) {m2             perror("ReleaseSignals\\sigprocmask");             return SS$_ABORT;-	         }        sigIndent--;       return SS$_NORMAL; }b   int alarmed = 0;   static void AlrmHndl( int sig )n {      alarmed = sig;,     fprintf( stderr, "in timer handler\n" );     fflush( stdout );"  2     if ( (int) signal( SIGALRM, AlrmHndl ) == -1 )5         perror( "ERROR establishing alarm handler" );" }b     #elsea    - TQuadword delay = { 0xFECED2FF, 0xFFFFFFFF };s  " static void *AlrmHndl( void *arg ) {s     int sts = SS$_NORMAL;t!     unsigned long ef = EFN$C_ENF;t     int timerId = (int) arg;  ,     fprintf( stderr, "in timer handler\n" );     fflush( stdout );.  9     sts = sys$setimr( ef, &delay, AlrmHndl, timerId, 0 );p     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );       return NULL; }f  5 char *DateTimeToAsc( TQuadword *dt, char *p, int sz )e {o     int sts = SS$_NORMAL;,     unsigned short len = 0;      char buf[DATE_TIME_LEN+1];     $DESCRIPTOR(bufDsc,buf);  -     sts = sys$asctim( &len, &bufDsc, dt, 0 );        if ( 1 == ( sts & 1 )) {!         len = MIN( len, sz - 1 );:         strncpy( p, buf, len );s     } else len = 0;8       p[len] = '\0';  
     return p;o }e     #endif    
 int main() {o     int sts = SS$_NORMAL;t'     TCtrlHdlPrm chp = { 0, EFN$C_ENF };s     $DESCRIPTOR( tt, "TT" );!     unsigned long ef = EFN$C_ENF;C#     char delayStr[DATE_TIME_LEN+1];e   #ifdef USE_SIGALRM?     /* { value={tv_sec,tv_usec}, interval={tv_sec,tv_usec} } */I6     struct itimerval tmrOn  = { { 0, 0 }, { 0, 0 } }; 5     struct itimerval tmrOff = { { 0, 0 }, { 0, 0 } };n5     struct itimerval tmrOld = { { 0, 0 }, { 0, 0 } };e #elsec     int timerId = getpid();a #endif   #ifdef USE_SIGALRM     sts =  SetSignalMask();w     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );  2     if ( (int) signal( SIGALRM, AlrmHndl ) == -1 )5         perror( "ERROR establishing alarm handler" );D #endif        sts = lib$get_ef( &chp.ef );     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );  /     sts = sys$assign( &tt, &chp.chn, 0, 0, 0 );k     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );  "     sts = SetCtrlCHandler( &chp );     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );   #ifdef USE_SIGALRM"     tmrOn.it_interval.tv_sec  = 2;     tmrOn.it_value.tv_sec  = 2;m  4     if ( setitimer( ITIMER_REAL, &tmrOn, 0 ) == -1 )+         perror( "ERROR turning timer on" );v #elsei      printf( "Timer delay: %s\n",B             DateTimeToAsc( &delay, delayStr, sizeof( delayStr )));  9     sts = sys$setimr( ef, &delay, AlrmHndl, timerId, 0 );      SIGNAL_ERROR( sts ); #endif  D     printf( "Waiting for even flag %d with SIGALRM handler enabled;"1             " Ctrl-C to continue...\n", chp.ef );e       sts = sys$clref( chp.ef );     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );       sts = sys$waitfr( chp.ef );w     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );   #ifdef USE_SIGALRM3     /* Do it again, this time using BlockSignals */:       sts = BlockSignals();S     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );       sts = sys$clref( chp.ef );     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );  <     printf( "Waiting for even flag %d with blocked signals;"1             " Ctrl-C to continue...\n", chp.ef );o       sts = sys$waitfr( chp.ef );3     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );    3     /* Do it again, after reenabling the signals */w       sts = ReleaseSignals();      SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );       sts = sys$clref( chp.ef );     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );  >     printf( "Waiting for even flag %d with reenabled signals;"1             " Ctrl-C to continue...\n", chp.ef );m       sts = sys$waitfr( chp.ef );      SIGNAL_ERROR( sts ); #endif       /* Cleanup */r  !     sts = lib$free_ef( &chp.ef );      SIGNAL_ERROR( sts );   #ifdef USE_SIGALRM;     if ( setitimer( ITIMER_REAL, &tmrOff, &tmrOld ) == -1 )o,         perror( "ERROR turning timer off" ); #elsee#     sts = sys$cantim( timerId, 0 );o     SIGNAL_ERROR( sts ); #endif       return SS$_NORMAL; }n    - //------------------------------- TESTSIG.COM   --------------------------------   $! $! Build the test programt $! $!    Pass with P1 value:t $!2 $!        1 --> Demonstrates the correct behaviour$ $!        2 --> Demonstrates the bug= $!        3 --> Method I have to use to build my application,/< $!              as it involves threads and C/C++ features... $! $ cc/debug/noopt TESTSIG.C $! $ if p1 .eqs. "" then p1 := 20 $ goto link'p1'  $!( $! Link method yielding correct results: $! $ link1:& $ link/deb/exe=clib_work:TESTSIG.EXE -:       clib_work:TESTSIG.OBJ, sys$library:libcxxstd.olb/lib $ exit 1 $!/ $! Minimum link method to reproduce the problemy, $! (basically introduces PThread's library): $! $ link2:? $ link/deb /threads_enable=upcalls /exe=clib_work:TESTSIG.EXE -s?         clib_work:TESTSIG.OBJ, sys$library:libcxxstd.olb/lib, -y         sys$input/optp  sys$share:cma$open_rtl.exe/share$ sys$share:cma$open_lib_shr.exe/share $ exit 1 $!0 $! Method actually used to build my application: $! $ link3:L $ link/deb/sysexe=selective/threads_enable=upcalls/exe=clib_work:TESTSIG.EXE -_7         sys$library:libcxxstd.olb/incl=CXXL_STD_INIT, -_,         clib_work:TESTSIG.OBJ, sys$input/opt  sys$share:cma$open_rtl.exe/share$ sys$share:cma$open_lib_shr.exe/share  sys$share:cxxl$011_shr.exe/share sys$share:decc$shr.exe/share sys$library:libcxxstd.olb/libb sys$library:decc$crtl.olb/libD $ exit 1   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:26:10 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r2 Subject: Fiorina audio interview - streaming audio1 Message-ID: <Su6i8.71464$aFN.9437@news1.bloor.is>t  : In an exclusive multimedia interview, HP CEO Carly Fiorina: talks about how the proposed merger will affect customers,! employees, investors and herself.BC http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=8c-LdYaQ6JWhMMFtJBVFLLql4VlERRR     J The interview is broken up into different 'clips', so you'll have to clickG on each clip separately to hear them all. Or you can scroll down to therI bottom of the list and clcik on a link that will play the whole 40 minutet
 interview.  I I'm just listening to it now, about 7 -8 minutes into it....no mention of  VMS yet.       Also atmK http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2853075,00.htmle@ there is a link to an old story about OpenVMS (October 19, 2001)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:32:04 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a6 Subject: Re: Fiorina audio interview - streaming audio2 Message-ID: <oA6i8.71476$aFN.63501@news1.bloor.is>  L In the clip called "Biggest risk is execution", she said that they WILL haveJ their entire product roadmap decided for the next 3 years by April 1st (no joke).      . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message+ news:Su6i8.71464$aFN.9437@news1.bloor.is...E< > In an exclusive multimedia interview, HP CEO Carly Fiorina< > talks about how the proposed merger will affect customers,# > employees, investors and herself.vE > http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=8c-LdYaQ6JWhMMFtJBVFLLql4VlERRR. >v > L > The interview is broken up into different 'clips', so you'll have to clickI > on each clip separately to hear them all. Or you can scroll down to the1K > bottom of the list and clcik on a link that will play the whole 40 minuteA > interview. >aK > I'm just listening to it now, about 7 -8 minutes into it....no mention ofn
 > VMS yet. >  >  >e	 > Also at- >-K http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2853075,00.htmlgB > there is a link to an old story about OpenVMS (October 19, 2001) >  >i >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:03:46 GMTI# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t6 Subject: Re: Fiorina audio interview - streaming audio2 Message-ID: <627i8.71594$aFN.71561@news1.bloor.is>  I In the last few seconds of the clip "On merger politics..", she said that25 the product roadmaps are actually complete right now.K  L In the next clip, "On services...", she says for HP the ideal revenue stream0 is mostly support & outsourcing, not consulting.    C In the 'On the economy...' clip, she says enterprise IT budgets notTF predicted to grow until 2nd half 2002, and that price/performance willE always be under pressure...[so why doesn't Alpha fit in????].  Server K consolidation is a big part of what's going on now [sounds like a good cases for Alpha, don't you think???]  K In the clip 'On Comapq....', she said about Capellas, 'He's a great guy andAL that they think alike [scary for VMS] and they see the industry the same way- [wintel???]. Headquarters will be Palo Alto.'o  I That's it...NSK mentioned once as an example to complex technology that's ! good. Nothing about VMS anywhere.s        . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message+ news:Su6i8.71464$aFN.9437@news1.bloor.is... < > In an exclusive multimedia interview, HP CEO Carly Fiorina< > talks about how the proposed merger will affect customers,# > employees, investors and herself. E > http://clickthru.online.com/Click?q=8c-LdYaQ6JWhMMFtJBVFLLql4VlERRR  >, > L > The interview is broken up into different 'clips', so you'll have to clickI > on each clip separately to hear them all. Or you can scroll down to thelK > bottom of the list and clcik on a link that will play the whole 40 minuteo > interview. >IK > I'm just listening to it now, about 7 -8 minutes into it....no mention ofs
 > VMS yet. >t >a >s	 > Also at  >mK http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2853075,00.htmlTB > there is a link to an old story about OpenVMS (October 19, 2001) >p >w >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:33:13 GMTt1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>b0 Subject: FS: Compaq Qvision video cards ( EISA )5 Message-ID: <ZOZh8.122$k6.11843@nasal.pacific.net.au>p  1 	FOR SALE :  3 x  Compaq Qvision video cards EISAn  < 	These cards suit Jensen boxes ( DEC 2000 aka DEC AXP 150 ).  0 	US$30 each, or two for US$55 or all 3 for US$75 	Postage:   US$5  # 	I am on Paypal.			Cheers,    Csaba>  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------eE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogAE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush..I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------i;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:50:09 +0100 - From: "Gereon W." <wenzel@ibh.rwth-aachen.de>c4 Subject: Re: FS: Compaq Qvision video cards ( EISA )2 Message-ID: <3C889761.E6D025EB@ibh.rwth-aachen.de>    rE >         These cards suit Jensen boxes ( DEC 2000 aka DEC AXP 150 ).b >  But aren't supported by LINUX.  	 Gereon W.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:49:14 GMT 1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi>e/ Subject: Re: GEMBASE in GS Servers *** HELP ***-5 Message-ID: <eW_h8.11569$zZ5.236721@news.kpnqwest.fi>0  A > If changing your Galaxy configuration somehow changes the valuelD > reported by the sys$getsyi() SYI$_HW_MODEL item code, then GEMBASEB > will complain.  I don't think changing Galaxy configurations has5 > any affect on your hardware model number, does it ?F  " No effect, thanks for information.   -Kari-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:43:23 -0800t' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>i0 Subject: Re: HP Unix servers plunge below $1,000+ Message-ID: <3C88EA2B.DA4694EA@caltech.edu>l   Robert Deininger wrote:a > 9 > In article <3C87B460.C26B56A@caltech.edu>, David Mathog) > <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote:n >  > >.F > >Well, maybe if HP does succeed in buying the Q and doesn't wipe outK > >VMS after all we can maybe look  forward to a low cost VMS entry system?cD > >I'm not holding my breath though - way too many maybe's and if's. > G > I don't see how HP could offer an alpha-based system for at little asR; > $1000.  Alpha CPUs are too expensive at current volumes.    ( Since when is PA-RISC a high volume CPU?   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 06:13:34 -0800o( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)2 Subject: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203080613.70b84589@posting.google.com>   E We may have to reconsider switching to IBM if HP does anything to VMSu ...eE Our drives now run 24 hrs ... we need more than 8 hrs!  Maybe Sun hasp* drives that work ... from the inquirer ...  3 IBM: Don't power hard drive over eight hours a day g   Mean time before failure shock p& By Mike Magee, 08/03/2002 09:26:53 BST  @ A REPORT ON the excellent Storage Review Web site reports IBM asF warning that its 120GXP hard drives shouldn't be powered for more than eight hours a day.F The report quotes a conversation between a customer and an IBM serviceF representative who says that using it for 24 hours a day, seven days a week, is definitely a no-no.  E The limitations on the use of the Deskstar 120GXP pose an interesting B dilemma for system integrators, PC manufacturers and customers who# find themselves with such a system.f  C The conversation indicates that machines using this particular hardeA drive are probably not much cop for servers, and we wonder if PCsiA using it will come with a warning sticker saying don't leave youry  machine on for over eight hours.  B A reader points out that these limitations apply to other IBM hardD drives - and points us to this Travelstar page. If you have what IBMC costs "pixie dust" technology, then those sort of drives last a lotp better.,  E One particularly risible part of the conversation, which you can findt6 here, has this following gem from the Big Blue person:  C "We want to know that IBM drives are reliable and we are working tooE make our drives more reliable. One way to show is to inform customerse, of what usage is appropriate for the drive."  B Perhaps in years to come, IBM will offer hard drives that work for sixteen hours a day...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:59:26 GMTi* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ...> Message-ID: <yd5i8.3536$Ni.307063@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message_7 news:d7791aa1.0203080613.70b84589@posting.google.com...)G > We may have to reconsider switching to IBM if HP does anything to VMSt > ...uG > Our drives now run 24 hrs ... we need more than 8 hrs!  Maybe Sun hass, > drives that work ... from the inquirer ... > 4 > IBM: Don't power hard drive over eight hours a day >C  > Mean time before failure shock( > By Mike Magee, 08/03/2002 09:26:53 BST  G If this isn't simply a report of an incompetent IBM rep's misstatements L (they do sound fairly ludicrous), it's the second time recently that IBM IDEG drives have had a significant reliability problem in the past couple ofnH years (the previous one involved the GXP75s made in, IIRC, Hungary).  InH which case they need to address their design and validation processes inH that area (and I suspect they will).  That said, do you actually use IDE! drives in those systems of yours?e   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:54:37 -0800s' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>S6 Subject: Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ...+ Message-ID: <3C88ECCD.6640EFB8@caltech.edu>=   Bob Ceculski wrote:r > G > We may have to reconsider switching to IBM if HP does anything to VMS  > ...(G > Our drives now run 24 hrs ... we need more than 8 hrs!  Maybe Sun hasg, > drives that work ... from the inquirer ... > 4 > IBM: Don't power hard drive over eight hours a day  ; At least IBM's admitting it with the 120GXP. The 120GXP may E not be any worse than the absolutely dreadful 75GXP - and by limiting B recommended usage to 333 hours per month they may figure that theyM can delay the failures by 2.16x (do the math.)  Or maybe they are just laying & a legal defense.  Here's the scenario:  - Customer: My 120GXP failed, I want to RMA it. > IBM:      Did you leave it powered on for more than 333 hours. Customer: Of course.L IBM:      It's your fault - you ran it beyond the specified power on limits.  C Bottom line - stay far, far away from IBM's GXP line of ATA drives.1   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:24:32 GMTs* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ...C Message-ID: <kt6i8.149627$7a1.12615683@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0203080613.70b84589@posting.google.com...(G > We may have to reconsider switching to IBM if HP does anything to VMS) > ...(G > Our drives now run 24 hrs ... we need more than 8 hrs!  Maybe Sun hasa, > drives that work ... from the inquirer ... > 4 > IBM: Don't power hard drive over eight hours a day >i  > Mean time before failure shock( > By Mike Magee, 08/03/2002 09:26:53 BST > B > A REPORT ON the excellent Storage Review Web site reports IBM asH > warning that its 120GXP hard drives shouldn't be powered for more than > eight hours a day.  G Well, I went over to Storage Review.  Actually took the time to write adL response in their forum, which their crap interface then discarded because I% don't usually allow scripts to run...N  J The bottom line is that their forum participants are clueless, and thus soL is Mike's article.  Unlike the very real problems IBM had with its HungarianH GXP75s, all that's happened this time is that they chose to test the newK disk line in intermittent operation, which of course says nothing about itsMH ability to survive continuous operation.  In fact, since a disk tends toH reach steady-state operating conditions in a matter of minutes, the onlyK reason to suspect that continuous operation would deliver a shorter servicevG life than intermittent operation would be something like bearing life - I whereas in fact frequent spin-ups/spin-downs may be far harder on it thanr just keeping it spinning.}   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 09:48:30 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)6 Subject: Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203080948.48881cb0@posting.google.com>d  p "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<yd5i8.3536$Ni.307063@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message&9 > news:d7791aa1.0203080613.70b84589@posting.google.com... I > > We may have to reconsider switching to IBM if HP does anything to VMS( > > ...rI > > Our drives now run 24 hrs ... we need more than 8 hrs!  Maybe Sun has". > > drives that work ... from the inquirer ... > > 6 > > IBM: Don't power hard drive over eight hours a day > > " > > Mean time before failure shock* > > By Mike Magee, 08/03/2002 09:26:53 BST > I > If this isn't simply a report of an incompetent IBM rep's misstatementsaN > (they do sound fairly ludicrous), it's the second time recently that IBM IDEI > drives have had a significant reliability problem in the past couple of J > years (the previous one involved the GXP75s made in, IIRC, Hungary).  InJ > which case they need to address their design and validation processes inJ > that area (and I suspect they will).  That said, do you actually use IDE# > drives in those systems of yours?o >  > - bill  E are you kidding?  we run all alpha vms scsi shadow sets ... VMS only!t No other junk!   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:47:27 GMTg* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: IBM disk drives only work for 8 hours ...C Message-ID: <3H7i8.309169$Aw2.24707133@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>i  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message.7 news:d7791aa1.0203080948.48881cb0@posting.google.com... 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message : news:<yd5i8.3536$Ni.307063@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...9 > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagef; > > news:d7791aa1.0203080613.70b84589@posting.google.com...fK > > > We may have to reconsider switching to IBM if HP does anything to VMS 	 > > > ... K > > > Our drives now run 24 hrs ... we need more than 8 hrs!  Maybe Sun has 0 > > > drives that work ... from the inquirer ... > > > 8 > > > IBM: Don't power hard drive over eight hours a day > > >o$ > > > Mean time before failure shock, > > > By Mike Magee, 08/03/2002 09:26:53 BST > >hK > > If this isn't simply a report of an incompetent IBM rep's misstatementsrL > > (they do sound fairly ludicrous), it's the second time recently that IBM IDEeK > > drives have had a significant reliability problem in the past couple of!L > > years (the previous one involved the GXP75s made in, IIRC, Hungary).  InL > > which case they need to address their design and validation processes inL > > that area (and I suspect they will).  That said, do you actually use IDE% > > drives in those systems of yours?x > >b
 > > - bill >XG > are you kidding?  we run all alpha vms scsi shadow sets ... VMS only!  > No other junk!  G My point was that in this case you'd hardly be likely to be running IDE I drives after switching to IBM, in which case problems with IBM IDE drives:K would hardly affect your decision to switch (as you suggested at the top ofE this post).   H However, since it turns out that there's absolutely no indication of anyJ problem with the IBM IDE drives in question (see my other post), the issue is dead.   - bill   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:44:09 +0100 (MET).9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-( Subject: Re: Incremental BACKUP question; Message-ID: <01KF41EYDRSO8ZM0W4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   A > Use /NOINCREMENTAL on the backup command. That will restore the8H > pre-paranoid behavior of not looking at the directory revision dates.    Is this documented?a   $  HELP BACK/INCRp  ? The /INCREMENTAL qualifier is valid only in restore operations.f   ------------------------------   Date: 8 MAR 2002 14:39:55 GMTE4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)( Subject: Re: Incremental BACKUP question5 Message-ID: <8MAR02.14395594@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>t  Q In a previous article, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:nC ->> Use /NOINCREMENTAL on the backup command. That will restore the.J ->> pre-paranoid behavior of not looking at the directory revision dates.  -> e ->Is this documented?8 -> , ->$  HELP BACK/INCRl -> oA ->The /INCREMENTAL qualifier is valid only in restore operations.-  D Not in the help (even in VMS 7.3). There's a DSNlink article titled:  I    [OpenVMS] V7.2 /NOINCREMENTAL Replaces BACKUP$BTE_DISABLE_SAVE_ALL_DIRe  B that mentions it. To summarize that article: In VMS 7.0 backup wasG changed so directory revision dates were checked. If they changed sincepG the last backup then all files under the directory were saved. Starting D with VMS 7.1 (and an ECO kit to 7.0 I think) there was the followingE workaround to restore the pre-V7.0 behavior of not checking directoryO revision dates:    	$ CREATE/NAME_TABLE BACKUP$BTE > 	$ DEFINE/TABLE=BACKUP$BTE BACKUP$BTE_DISABLE_SAVE_ALL_DIR " "  < In vms 7.2 the /NOINCREMENTAL qualifier does the same thing.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonv2 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:29:36 +0000 (UTC)< From: "Christian Sperandio" <christian.sperandio@cegedim.fr>+ Subject: instruction 'free' in C with VM os H Message-ID: <09acdcdd157d36a22540f0d1823a4a84.76015@mygate.mailgate.org>   Hi, I wrote a C program like :     char *buf;  5   system("stormap"); // to test the free memory spacep   buf = malloc(10000);   system("stormap"); -   free(buf);   system("stormap"); 0  B when I run this program, I see the 'free' command doesn't free the memory.o  7 Anybody can tell me why and how can I free the memory ?7   Thanks     -- 18 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:34:38 +0000r5 From: Richard Heathfield <binary@eton.powernet.co.uk>a/ Subject: Re: instruction 'free' in C with VM osp3 Message-ID: <3C88A1CE.34E2BB46@eton.powernet.co.uk>e   Christian Sperandio wrote: >   > Hi, I wrote a C program like : >  >   char *buf; > 7 >   system("stormap"); // to test the free memory spaceu >   buf = malloc(10000); >   system("stormap"); >   free(buf); >   system("stormap"); > D > when I run this program, I see the 'free' command doesn't free the	 > memory.O  G Yes, it does. It frees it for further use by your program. The StandardhH requires that the memory remain available for allocation to your program+ right up until the program stops executing.t  9 > Anybody can tell me why and how can I free the memory ?y   free(p);  G If you want it released to the system rather than to the program memoryt  pool, you can do that like this:   exit(0);     -- ./ Richard Heathfield : binary@eton.powernet.co.ukO> "Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.0 C FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html; K&R answers, C books, etc: http://users.powernet.co.uk/etonL   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:42:38 GMTs' From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>p/ Subject: Re: instruction 'free' in C with VM ost) Message-ID: <3C88A225.C61EA0F5@yahoo.com>    Christian Sperandio wrote: >   > Hi, I wrote a C program like : >  >   char *buf; > 7 >   system("stormap"); // to test the free memory space  >   buf = malloc(10000); >   system("stormap"); >   free(buf); >   system("stormap"); > @ > when I run this program, I see the 'free' command doesn't free
 > the memory.p > 9 > Anybody can tell me why and how can I free the memory ?   @ Yes it does.  The memory is available for another malloc, but isA being managed by the malloc module.  This is all that is requiredZ; of free (see the C standard).  The memory won't normally be / returned to the system until the program exits.s  @ Getting the memory from the system is a relatively expensive (inB CPU time) operation, so should not be repeated.  If the memory hasA been used, the odds are that it will be used again if the program- continues to run.-   -- -@ Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net);    Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.u=    (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. yahoo works unmodified)-0    mailto:uce@ftc.gov  (for spambots to harvest)   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 08:42:09 GMT-( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) Subject: Re: Itanium troublesn0 Message-ID: <a69th1$3m3$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  M In article <3C87FCC7.2E79AC17@igs.net>, Paul DeMone  <pdemone@igs.net> wrote:  >r >  >Ketil Malde wrote:u4 >> mccalpin@gmp246.austin.ibm.com (McCalpin) writes: >> n/ >> > There was even a suggestion that Intel was-A >> > claiming (implicitly) a SPECint2000 number in the 750 range.  >>  I >> Which is about what you get from a 2GHz P4 today, right?  Will that be*F >> sufficient to capture any market share, I wonder, given that by theI >> time McKinley hits the shelves, P4s and AMDs will probably at least bet. >> around 3GHz (or with a 3000 'plus'-rating). >nH >Why would Intel expect to capture desktop PC market share with a 64 bitF >chip it designed for the technical workstation and server market? TheD >real question for Intel is that level of integer performance so lowF >as to become an issue vis a vis the 64 bit RISC processors it will go >up against.  A Yes.  Intel may be crazy - but not THAT crazy!  Even the original.@ IA-64 plan had it establishing itself in the server and high-end> workstation well before being introduced into the desktop one.  I >It definitely won't beat the EV7 and it somewhat lags the 1.3 GHz POWER4 F >running one CPU with 128 MB cache. But it clearly exceeds the integerI >performance of US-III, R14K, PA-8700, and EV6. I think it's a non-issue.a  B I am not sure.  The trouble is that there are many aspects to whatA we lack a term for and so tend to call 'integer' performance, andeC even the McKinley is likely to be good on only a few.  For example:   B     1) Plain integer calculations.  Well, such applications exist,? but are rare.  Most serious 'integer' calculations are actuallyi/ dominated by some other activity (such as I/O).l  ?     2) "Spaghetti C".  More typical of GUIs, but not unknown ino@ server applications.  And we have been through this often enough@ to agree that it is an optimisation problem not a raw speed one.  B     3) Serious I/O or SMP work.  This is very heavily dependent onC the cost of kernel calls, interrupts etc., and it seems likely that A the IA-64 line will be slow because of its 4+ KB process context.:  ? My guess is that it is the last aspect that will kill the IA-64 ? technically, if any technical aspect does kill it.  What we canf= say is that its performance for such things will NOT be cleari> until real workloads are run on real configurations - even the@ best benchmarks are very unrealistic, because the nature of such= uses are that they are very complex and unpredictable and theX) nature of benchmarks is that they aren't!i     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:09:16 +0000y& From: Ken Green <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> Subject: Re: Itanium troublese) Message-ID: <3C887FBB.B215B45@kgcc.co.uk>s   Stuecheli wrote:   > Douglas Siebert wrote: >v) > > Stuecheli <jeffas@us.ibm.com> writes:t > >h > >o > > L > > You are looking at "HW available" dates, not test dates.  The P4 has hadL > > new compilers that bumped up its numbers, the 1.7GHz P4 at the time thatL > > results for Itanium were submitted was only 593.  Also, your numbers forI > > Itanium are wrong, it had 701 peak for HP rx4610, test date May 2001,aI > > HW availability June 2001.  The Alpha 833 was test date June 2001, HWl0 > > availability June 2001 (SW not until August) > >.J > > You should have been checking the Q2 2001 (and previous) SPEC results,I > > not looking at all results and trying to work back.  The fact ItaniumlJ > > topped the list in SPECfp was discussed here in comp.arch when it cameK > > out, though it was quite obvious that it wouldn't last there long (just7> > > awaiting the Alpha shrink, faster P4s, POWER4, etc., etc.) > >c > > --L > > Douglas Siebert                          dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net > >.N > > A good friend will help you move, a true friend will help you move a body. >rR > I guess I should have looked at the back level results.  For my memory I did notU > think the Itanium was higher than anything.  Never really thought of the Itanium asp > leadership SpecFp performace.i >aU > It is interesting that the 701 peak result for the hp rx4610 has been revised to be V > quite a bit less.  I assume this is due to not shipping that system?  So they postedV > the result, yet could not really delever the result, thus had to remove it.  That isH > a bit worse than just having higher results posted from other vendors. >i > Jeff  N Why do think that the 701 figured has been revised down ? It's still on SPEC's8 website. There are 2 different benchmarks for the rx4610   May 2001 SPECfp2000        701< SPECfp_base2000    701 Using Intel's compilerss   Aug 2001 SPECfp2000        653- SPECfp_base2000    545 Using HP's compilers  E I guess that the HP compiler team have been concentrating on McKinleyeJ since I don't think HP has ever made any secret of the fact that that chip! is where their main interest lay.t  @ The rx4610 achieves those scores using standard (non DDR) SDRAM.  H By all means knock Itanium for things it not very good at (yet) but whenH it was released it topped the SPECfp tables, and considering that it wasA a completely new ISA and needed completely new compilers, I guesse4 thats not bad. It's just a pity it was 3 years late.   Cheers   Kene   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Mar 2002 10:14:16 +0100& From: "Ketil Malde" <ketil+@ii.uib.no> Subject: Re: Itanium troublesr. Message-ID: <eglmd34e1j.fsf@sefirot.ii.uib.no>  % Paul DeMone <pdemone@igs.net> writes:   I >> Which is about what you get from a 2GHz P4 today, right?  Will that befF >> sufficient to capture any market share, I wonder, given that by theI >> time McKinley hits the shelves, P4s and AMDs will probably at least be4. >> around 3GHz (or with a 3000 'plus'-rating).  I > Why would Intel expect to capture desktop PC market share with a 64 bit6C > chip it designed for the technical workstation and server market?"  E The probably won't - did I imply they would?  Why not ask instead why8> people will accept technical workstations and servers that are outperformed by PCs?  E And while Intel may drop Xeon and hobble P4 (e.g. by not implementing E SMP-functionality) from competing in the server/workstation segments, E it doesn't look like AMD is going to cooperate.  I thought Hammer wase& clearly aimed at exactly that segment.  E > The real question for Intel is that level of integer performance sosC > low as to become an issue vis a vis the 64 bit RISC processors ite > will go up against.   A True enough.  One advantage for IA64 is having 64-bit Windows, ify9 Intel can avoid it becoming another orphaned by MicrosofttC "Alpha"-story.  The market segment (Windows users requiring 64bits)iE could be too small to generate significant revenue in the foreseeablecC future. I suppose a lot will depend on whether AMD comes along withm@ Hammer with sufficient performance in sufficient configurations.   -kzm -- yH If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:19:52 +0000 (UTC)/ From: mccalpin@gmp246.austin.ibm.com (McCalpin)g Subject: Re: Itanium troublest1 Message-ID: <a6akqn$44k$1@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>r  ) In article <3C887FBB.B215B45@kgcc.co.uk>,t( Ken Green  <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> wrote: > O >Why do think that the 701 figured has been revised down ? It's still on SPEC'sd9 >website. There are 2 different benchmarks for the rx4610- >-	 >May 2001- >SPECfp2000        701 >SPECfp_base2000    701r >Using Intel's compilers >C	 >Aug 2001u >SPECfp2000        653 >SPECfp_base2000    545. >Using HP's compilersa  A The Itanium results was not revised down -- there is just a newere= result with different compilers running under a different O/Sn? that is lower than the original submission.  You would see thiswB all the time if vendors submitted their own results first and then" submitted Linux results using gcc.  C It is important to understand that there are a lot of stupid piecesv? of code in the SPECfp2000 benchmarks, and that it takes a while E to tweak a compiler to fix them all.   The fact that the HP compilersr< deliver lower results does not mean that you can assume thatA they *generally* produce lower results.  You need to compare the fA results on all 14 of the benchmarks individually and see if theret? is any correlation between Intel's advantage in performance andn@ the known stupidities of the SPECfp2000 codes.  Of course, thereD is also a language issue, with 6 codes in FORTRAN77, 4 in Fortran90,B and 4 in C --- there may be a systematic difference there as well.   -- e9 John D. McCalpin, Ph.D.           mccalpin@austin.ibm.comtF Senior Technical Staff Member     IBM POWER Microprocessor Development-     "I am willing to make mistakes as long as?1      someone else is willing to learn from them."y   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:16:33 -0000/ From: James Miller <jmiller@allegisgroup.co.uk>e Subject: Job spec.L Message-ID: <BF9F1A8DC2E8D411A6210008C7E6F80602088A4C@mail3.allegis-eur.com>  F I have been referred to you and told that if I send a short job spec = then ito< will (possibly) be read by VMS engineers all over the world. Thanks for your help.dB We are looking for a DEC Alpha Open VMS engineer for a financial = informationpF provider who require a DEC Alpha - Open VMS Engineer to maintain and = enhancefG Real Time data feeds. You will have experience working with Real Time =m dataG feeds in a stock market/financial environment. C coding experience on =  AlphauI VMS is essential as is experience in supporting DEC Alpha Open VMS. You =  will; also be able to mentor and teach other members of the team.tD The role is based near Moorgate tube in London and is paying =A345k.   Regards,   Jim   
 Jim Miller' Allegis Group - IT&C Strategic Staffingf	 1st Floor 
 Therese House  29-30 Glasshouse Yarde London EC1A 4JN Tel +44 (0) 207 6088300l Fax +44 (0) 207 6088301c! mailto:jmiller@allegisgroup.co.uk  www.allegisgroup.co.uk=20c      Allegis utilises anti-virus measures for all incoming and outgoing e-mail communications. However, Allegis advises that you carry out your own virus check prior to opening any attachments and Allegis accepts no liability for any damage sustained as a result of any software viruses.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:14:17 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>( Subject: Limiting individual user logins@ Message-ID: <20020308131417.39738.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  1 I would like to know the technical limitations ofd4 using the /MAXJOBS parameter in the user account to * limit the number of times the user logins.  2 I would like to limit the number of user logins to only 1 (one) per user.r  * Another option is to create a procedure to- run in the SYLOGIN.COM, but I didnt match the  apropriated lexicals yet.-  
 Any idea ????,   Regards2   FC 0       =====. ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?7 Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!e http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:28:59 +0100i9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>-, Subject: Re: Limiting individual user logins' Message-ID: <3C88BC9B.34B99EB7@aaa.com>r  @ You could try add some code to sylogin.com to change the process> name of these users. Make a name that would be unique for each= user and if the change fails (some one else are already loged < on using that username), write out a error message and exit.  	 Such as :r  ! $ tmp = "''f$user()'" - "[" - "]"  $ on error goto second_user  $ set proc/name="''tmp'" ...  ...  $! $second_user:= $ write sys$output "Other user already loged on to ''tmp' !! p Exiting..."  $ exit ...l ...e  @ And mahe sure to only check this if  F$MODE() .eqs. "INTERACTIVE   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 3 > I would like to know the technical limitations of:5 > using the /MAXJOBS parameter in the user account toa, > limit the number of times the user logins. > 4 > I would like to limit the number of user logins to > only > 1 (one) per user.  > , > Another option is to create a procedure to/ > run in the SYLOGIN.COM, but I didnt match then > apropriated lexicals yet.i >  > Any idea ????T > 	 > RegardsC >  > FC   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:39:48 +0100 (MET)/9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> , Subject: Re: Limiting individual user logins; Message-ID: <01KF4DU5V4FS8ZOX9C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  4 > I would like to limit the number of user logins to > only 1 (one) per user.  I Quick response, not tested:  Set the process name to be the user name or :5 whatever then log out if this process already exists.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:54:42 +0000r From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> , Subject: Re: Limiting individual user logins) Message-ID: <3C88C2A2.4BB90833@Omond.net>t   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:y  B > You could try add some code to sylogin.com to change the process@ > name of these users. Make a name that would be unique for each? > user and if the change fails (some one else are already logedR> > on using that username), write out a error message and exit.   [...snip...]  7 Any method using process names is prone to easy bypass,i and even malicious abuse.    Easy bypass:  @ Login once;  after all the system-wide login futzing around with; process names, simply $ set proc/name=xyz, and login again.    Malicious abuse:  C You want to prevent your boss (username Bigboss), who's in the sameeC group as you, from logging in.  After all the futzing around in the A system-wide login, $ set proc/name=bigboss and she will be loggedI out as soon as she logs in.'  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:44:26 +0100( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL>, Subject: RE: Limiting individual user loginsC Message-ID: <EC85E7391071D511AC140008C7F37BC24DEDEF@wt15.wt.tno.nl>r  M If this is on a single node only, you can use /MAXJOBS in authorize to do the  job for you.   Mark   -----Original Message-----& From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net]  Sent: vrijdag 8 maart 2002 14:55 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma, Subject: Re: Limiting individual user logins     Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:a  B > You could try add some code to sylogin.com to change the process@ > name of these users. Make a name that would be unique for each? > user and if the change fails (some one else are already loged:> > on using that username), write out a error message and exit.   [...snip...]  7 Any method using process names is prone to easy bypass,a and even malicious abuse.;   Easy bypass:  @ Login once;  after all the system-wide login futzing around with; process names, simply $ set proc/name=xyz, and login again.r   Malicious abuse:  C You want to prevent your boss (username Bigboss), who's in the samepC group as you, from logging in.  After all the futzing around in theeA system-wide login, $ set proc/name=bigboss and she will be loggedn out as soon as she logs in.e  	 Roy Omondl Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:54:21 -0500 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> , Subject: Re: Limiting individual user logins2 Message-ID: <3C88DEAD.75C9557B@firstdbasource.com>  G If you want the individual only be able to login INTERACTIVELY one timei@ set MAXJOB=1.  This will also prevent them from using BATCH modeF processing or ftp to the same box.  It says in the uaf that it ignoresF the first 4 network logins. (not true on 7.2-1)  Once they login, that is it. no more logins.  G On another note: using the process name can be very easily circumvented- by -   Username: whatever/NOCOMMAND  < and as others have pointed out can open other DOS by settingG process_name to someones name you don't want to have access.  Although,tB if they are running a particular application, set their account to? captive or restricted (see documentation) and set maxjobs to 1..   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 3 > I would like to know the technical limitations of>5 > using the /MAXJOBS parameter in the user account to0, > limit the number of times the user logins. > 4 > I would like to limit the number of user logins to > only > 1 (one) per user., > , > Another option is to create a procedure to/ > run in the SYLOGIN.COM, but I didnt match thet > apropriated lexicals yet.  >  > Any idea ????. > 	 > Regardsd >  > FC >  > =====e > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?9 > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!T > http://mail.yahoo.com/   -- A Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163t7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)  704-236-4377 (Mobile)3   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:29:22 -00007 From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@reading.sema.slb.com>6, Subject: RE: Limiting individual user loginsH Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE01529118@reaes2.sema.co.uk>  A I notice that although you received several messages offering youl@ quick&nasty ways of doing this, and others warning you off that,8 but nobody seems to have answered the original question.  D I did exactly this at my old place of work. Alas, there is no VMS=20A system running there anymore, so I can't get a friend to send it, - so you will have to work it out for yourself.p  C The appropriated lexicals (I love that phrase of yours! Who did yout  appropriate them from? :) are ..B F$CONTEXT, F$PID and F$GETJPI. There is a beautiful example of howB to do this in HELP LEXICALS F$CONTEXT EXAMPLES, which does most of what you want.=20   D You set up a context with f$context that says look for all processesA with my username, run through all the processes with f$pid to gethA the pids, and use f$getjpi to see if its is interactive. That ways7 you can prevent a second interactive login by any user.   @ It's not that hard, really. I speak from experience on this one.   - John   -----Original Message-----5 From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]e Sent: 08 March 2002 13:14X To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh( Subject: Limiting individual user logins    1 I would like to know the technical limitations ofu6 using the /MAXJOBS parameter in the user account to=20* limit the number of times the user logins.  2 I would like to limit the number of user logins to only 1 (one) per user.0  * Another option is to create a procedure to- run in the SYLOGIN.COM, but I didnt match theb apropriated lexicals yet..  
 Any idea ????k   Regardsh   FC=20:       =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DrL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilp fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Do  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?7 Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!t http://mail.yahoo.com/    K ___________________________________________________________________________)D This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the=20J individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are=20G solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of=20c SchlumbergerSema.=20L If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received th= isK email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or=20a- copying of this email is strictly prohibited.i  L If you have received this email in error please notify the SchlumbergerSema=/  Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.hK ___________________________________________________________________________t   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 11:57:00 -0600a+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t, Subject: Re: Limiting individual user logins3 Message-ID: <Le7t2kcNE+hd@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <3C88DEAD.75C9557B@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:I > If you want the individual only be able to login INTERACTIVELY one timesB > set MAXJOB=1.  This will also prevent them from using BATCH modeH > processing or ftp to the same box.  It says in the uaf that it ignoresH > the first 4 network logins. (not true on 7.2-1)  Once they login, that > is it. no more logins. > I > On another note: using the process name can be very easily circumvented5 > by C >  > Username: whatever/NOCOMMAND >   8 	If trying to prevent this, make the account RESTRICTED.  
 	$ set host 0i   Username: user/nocommand
 Password: ) Qualifier not allowed in captive accountst   	UAF> show userl  + Username: USER 				   Owner:  User, MaxwellsL Account:  ANYOL                             UIC:    [aaa,bbb] ([ANYOL,USER])< CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES Default:  ANYOL$DISK:[USER]t LGICMD:   A$MENU:LOGIN.COM Flags:  DisCtlY Restricted    D      RESTRICTED         Prevents the user from changing any defaultsE                         at login (for example, by specifying /LGICMD)0A                         and prohibits user specification of a CLII?                         with the /CLI qualifier. The RESTRICTED D                         flag establishes an environment where Ctrl/YE                         interrupts are initially turned off; however,uC                         command procedures can still turn on Ctrl/YtF                         interrupts with the DCL command SET CONTROL=Y.B                         Typically, this flag is used to prevent anB                         applications user from having unrestrictedA                         access to the CLI. By default, a user cand7                         change defaults (NORESTRICTED).w     				Robc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:02:15 +0100 From: zessin@decus.den1 Subject: Re: List of ECOs combination that works?n* Message-ID: <00A0AA53.D8128DBB.3@decus.de>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: [...]eB > I so far found no problems with running all the current ECOs for > OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  = Thanks. I have just 'won' a second installation and your listm will be very helpful.e   --  
 Uwe Zessin   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:32:54 +0000 (UTC)* From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.cc.jyu.fi>4 Subject: Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads, Message-ID: <a69pf6$3vg$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  ( David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote:6 >  2.  change the user units on the education license.  H No need to change PAKs. They have been all the time unlimited (units=0). http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=915aeb%241gg%241%40mordred.cc.jyu.fi&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3D%2522paks%2Bpermit%2522   regards 
          Osmo-   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 03:44:28 -0800 ) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) 4 Subject: Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0203080344.593083f7@posting.google.com>c  6 Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> wrote in message  > J > No need to change PAKs. They have been all the time unlimited (units=0). >   7 Yup - since the start of the CSLG. Just as one example:-  !  Issuer:                      DEC 7  Authorization:               CSLG-AUSTRALIA-V2002-xxxxA0  Product Name:                OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER!  Producer:                    DEC   Units:                       0e!  Version:                     0.0e$  Release Date:                (none))  PAK Termination Date:        28-FEB-2003t  Availability:                0d   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 06:19:12 -0800 ) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young).4 Subject: Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0203080619.4858d9e2@posting.google.com>h  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3C883679.C70C697C@fsi.net>... > C > I can only suggest that if any desire exists within Compaq to seepI > greater numbers of VMSers (instead of WinBorgs or Linux-ers) coming outbF > of the schools, perhaps the issues should be treated with a bit more+ > serious concern, not to mention alacrity.  >   A I think the best thing is to get the port to IA-64 out of the waye2 and hope _to hell_ that IA64 becomes "mainstream".  C As strange as it might seem - and I notice this more and more these-B days - you can dilute the product down as much as you want just as? long as it is just that much better than what everyone else hast
 diluted down.l  @ This is true right from the kitchen laminex you buy now - cheap,B thin, scratches easily, and fragile compared with even the cheaperA brands 20 years ago. Toyota Landcruiser 100 series - 5 wheel nuts.A instead of 6 on earlier models - Hilux 4WD - replacement of solidFA front axle/leaf springs with cheap and nasty IFS instead of solidnF front axle/coil springs - the examples go on and on ... Alpha - IA-64.  @ As to reliability - cheap off the shelf hardware works (rememberA it is M$ that is the cancer). I suspect most people here have runn> commodity pentia under Linux for well over a year and counting> between reboots (as long as they have not being doing too manyC diverse tasks, or have been hacked). I can see OpenVMS on commodity/) hardware working and really kicking butt.o  C I for one can sell OpenVMS here at UNSW if it is on cheap commodity B hardware. There are a growing number of Academics in the School ofD Information Systems for example who are developing a dislike for M$.  C We have a (possible) project at the moment to get all NYSE TAQ dataCB (this would be over 1 TB back to 1993) available to researchers inA the School of Banking and Finance. I'm putting forward a solution0E (I might post later to the group concerning this if all goes to plan) C using OpenVMS. This can only go ahead if I use "cheap as" 3rd partyi8 RAID bits. ie: has to compete against PC hardware costs.  F As I said in an earlier posting the hardware costs are the killer hereD and not the CSLG - don't blame it. A big killer for DEC IIRC at UNSWE School of Physics in 1995 was that Sun starting virtually giving away2	 hardware.7  F In answer to Hoff - the best thing you can do for the CSLG is completeC the port! then we can get that alacrity going. As to the future (if@B IA-64 eventually becomes mainstream) OpenVMS must run on commodityB IA-64 boxes. As to widgets - certify some of the best designed andC cost effective available off the shelf at the local PC corner store < and add new ones to the list every 2 to 3 years (replacement timeframe).c  C BTW - I wouldn't mind OpenVMS layered product software available onp: the web but could not care less about the O/S itself being/ downloadable. In fact I would prefer it wasn't.i  E I enjoy ordering, receiving, opening, and adding patches cut to CDROMaA to my OpenVMS distribution package too much :-) (goodies like the_= freeware, CDROM pouch, talking points such as pictures of SunYB monitors, firmware, etc!). It's even more fun than  seeing the new version-A banner appear the first time you boot after installing/upgrading.i   That said, sorry for the rant!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:55:08 +0100$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>4 Subject: Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads/ Message-ID: <n16i8.92$oI5.2774@news.get2net.dk>e  K This is the same problem (few jobs) when dealing with Rdb.  No jobs because F it so good and requires so little admin.  Oracle classic - choose yourF number - requires permanent handholding judging by the zillion jobs as Oracle DBA that are around.m  ? There is a message here, but I am too stoopid to figure it out.e   Dweeb.  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message+ news:eNMh8.36522$xG.26764@news2.bloor.is...h >iH > "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message7 > news:01KF32CGUM8Y8ZM0W4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...sF > > >   What would you have us do here -- what additional steps can weF > > >   provide here that we could afford to provide and that we couldB > > >   profit (indirectly, obviously) from -- that is not already > > >   available? > >dG > > Legal use of multi-user licenses with the base license from the neweC > > educational-license programme.  OK, one can combine it with the-L > > multi-user license from DECcampus, IF one has DECcampus.  The problem isL > > that DECcampus only makes financial sense if you have a relatively largeE > > number of machines.  As it stands now, an educational institution-I > > STARTING OUT (is that a permissable thought?!) with VMS---which wouldyH > > not buy enough machines to make DECcampus attractive right away---isJ > > stuck in a situation which makes a VMS machine look like a single-userJ > > billybox: a rather bad situation for someone wanting to demonstrate toD > > the bean counters the economics (TCO etc) of multi-user systems. > > K > > A lot of institutions (all I've worked at, in fact :-( ) used to be VMSeH > > places but are now unix or even Windows (what always gets my goat isL > > that the SAME GUYS who said "we need to move away from VMS because it isJ > > proprietary" (bullshit anyway) a few years later said "we need to moveL > > to Windows because it is industry-standard" (and, of course, at least asJ > > proprietary as VMS)).  Usually, there are a few VMS boxes left used byI > > the die-hards.  Since these are of course a bit long in the tooth, it C > > creates the false impression (but I've seen Ph.D.'s who believeiL > > it---what matters isn't the truth, but what the bean counters believe isC > > the truth) that VMS machines are somehow intrinsically not very C > > efficient, which leads to the die-hard greybeard happy with hiseK > > MicroVAX II being made into a laughing stock since it is not as fast as-H > > a brand new Pentium IV 2 GHz or whatever.  So much for the chance ofJ > > convincing management to invest in new machines.  The same morons willI > > probably compare the cost of that MicroVAX II (and adjust upwards fort& > > inflation) to that new PC as well. > >XK > > Of course, another reason (and there is a chicken-and-egg problem here)-K > > is that students who develop an interest in VMS will be told that it is I > > bad for their job prospects.  Again, truth doesn't matter; it is what L > > people are told.  How about an ad in a typical computer magazine showingK > > a student thinking about his future---perhaps a typical college unix or B > > Windows type thinking of a cubicle in some dotcom fly-by-nightL > > operation, and a VMS type thinking about a Real Job at a Real Company inH > > the Real World which uses VMS because no other platform delivers theJ > > required performance (which is A LOT more than just raw speed---though7 > > of course Alpha has been the leader there as well).e > >cJ > > Hell, when universities were told "NT on ALPHA is the future", it soldK > > some NT boxes.  Marketing in the educational regime CAN be done.  If it G > > can be done for falsehoods with NT, why not for the truth with VMS?b > >s >dK > Because like other regime's, if you dissent you are put up against a wall  > and shot.- >-L > OpenVMS is not something that can be sold/marketed one-on-one anymore - itD > used to be possible. Unfortunately what is required is a long-termH > commitment to marketing, dispelling the lies and misinformation in theD > marketplace, and that hasn't been Digital/Compaq's strongest area. >AK > And even if you get beyond all that, there's the attitude that Windows or @ > unix is 'good enough', especially when it comes to educational institutionsE > talking about the placement percentages of their graduates in jobs.  WindowsrG > & unix placements would be nearly 100% - what percentage of grads whos wantedG > to pursue VMS careers do you think would find jobs in the stream theyyA > desired (think a bit beyond your own institution for a moment)?s > K > I don't know what Compaq's policy is about giving hardware to educationaloE > institutions is, but if I were an administrator a university I'd bea saying,sK > 'You want me to bring that now-obsolete Alpha in here and run an o/s thathC > has been killed (Tru64) or an o/s whose future is unknown at bestiK > (OVMS)...fine, give me everything for free - hardware, software, support,o% > maintenance, and then we can talk.'n >e >pH > tongue-in-cheek  -- Part of the reason why there are so many Windows & unixJ > jobs available is that they are crap operating systems to administer andL > need hordes of worker bees to keep them running, whereas VMS tends not to.J > Of course the answer to this is to create OVMS skills demand go up is byK > making VMS break more often. For this we have to count on VMS Engineering_ to > come through for us. >?I > Perverse isn't it, how a well engineered product is so good that nobody. everC > gives it a second thought -- including the company that sells it.U >  >1   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 03:29:25 -0800o) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)3< Subject: Re: Netscape annoyance with OpenVMS CGI executables= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0203080329.723bf947@posting.google.com>d   winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A0A996.04C3DB35@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...g > In article <3C878AB6.6DF44E5@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:e >  > >This is a SIMPLE fix. > >y. > >remove the .EXE or .COM from the href link. > I > That'd be the fix for the problem with Internet Explorer, but Netscape r  K While I used this fix to help determine the problem (I changed .exe to .xyz L in the HTML form _and_ renamed the executable to .xyz in the bin directory),' I'm not going to commit to this change.o  D The problem is rare enough that I believe the correct solution is to7 document the problem for those that might encounter it.   H For example, like OpenVMS, Window(tm) uses .EXE (so what if you run CGIs> on a non IIS Window(tm) platform? - it will still be an issue)  I The "PC environment" is already quite enough of hack on top of hack. .EXEiB is .EXE is .EXE - who am I to go around changing it because of the7 crapulence of one or more Window(tm) software products?   9 As I said - no problems with UNIX or OpenVMS browsers :-)g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:28:02 -0500r1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>:< Subject: Re: Netscape annoyance with OpenVMS CGI executables2 Message-ID: <3C88AE52.70ADDD2E@firstdbasource.com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:0 > (To make this work Patrick might have to add aL > MAP of the script-name to the fully-qualified script-name (with extension,0 > etc), so that OSU knows which script to run.    ! >You'd definitely have to do that N > with Apache/CSWS, which doesn't default filetypes for script names at all..)  E I don't think so.  I have in my cgi-bin directory .com and .exe files3G and they both get executed by leaving off the extenstion.  There are noiG defs in the .conf for .exe or .com  Perl scripts are executed from /bin=E directory with the extension .pl (and the href may or may not contain_ the file extension)...    G As a rule, I leave off the extension in the href to keep from confusingl IE.t >  -- . Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163_7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comt Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)i 704-236-4377 (Mobile)d   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:24:41 +0000a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>f) Subject: Re: OpenVMS jobs available - FYIt8 Message-ID: <sl0h8ucsrtfgs0b3o9k800oajqrloiiev4@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:56:29 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   >www.directemployers.comM >This site is a co-op that takes you directly to the employer's own web site.s >o+ >I read about this site in Information Weekp6 >http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020222S0044 >_ >_ >_M >Enter VMS and OpenVMS as the search terms as separate queries as they returna >different result sets.0  C I would use DEC or VAX or VMS or OPENVMS as the search term for VMSnE jobs. It's amazing how many agencies still refer to DEC VAX even whene they mean OpenVMS on Alpha  L >VMS returns about 160 positions available, whereas OpenVMS returns about 21" >positions available, as of today. > M >Seems like it's mostly the military contractors who are looking for people -nM >understandable - they use the best to produce the best, and failure isn't ant >option. >t >n >s   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Mar 2002 13:26:05 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of  Compaq AcM0 Message-ID: <87it87vdea.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:s   > John Smith wrote:   A > > Bet you that OpenVMS goes into maintenance-only mode within 6s > > months.	   A > HP won't announce VMS's maintenance mode until the personal and B > commercial wintel stuff becomes profitable enough to sustain the > company without VMS.  D Check your tea-leaves again. The last significant update for FORTRANB ships this month. GEM development has stopped, it is now bug fixes? only. Any new fortran stand stuff will not appear on Alpha. ThexC Aye(sp?)  plant contract runs out in 2004... Funny, isn't that when C the shrunk EV7 is meant to appear? The low-wave fairy will pop themu under you pillow I suppose.   C Oh, 1 Apr is a Monday this year. What a wonderful day to announce a ? 're-alignment' of the VMS port, and that several 'low priority'  feature have been dropped...   -- d< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:52:15 +0000 (UTC)* From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.cc.jyu.fi>Y Subject: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq Acqw, Message-ID: <a6afmf$io5$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  ) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:   A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagen
 >> HWP ...? >> ... I doubt they are stupid enough to kill the VMS cash cow.s   I easily believe they are. -  J > Carly and Curly certainly do appear to have very similar philosophies inM > multiple dimensions that don't bode that well for VMS's future (whether theoA > merger goes through or not) - just as they boded ill for Alpha:e  G > 1.  they prefer to buy other people's technology rather than build it   > themselves (strike 1 for VMS),  N > 2.  they prefer 'commodity' technology to 'proprietary' technology (strike 2 > for VMS),o  L > 3.  they prefer me-too products (at least in the general computing space -K > one or both of them actually came out and said this directly recently) to L > products that actively differentiate them from their competitors (strike 3 > for VMS).A  H "What I said" and many others. These are features of industry standard. H It's current name is Wintel. Intel part of wintelization of DEC is done.B Windows part is coming.  (They first planned it other way around.)  B To avoid the wintelization VMS should have been adapted to wintel G (simply fighting against is hopeless). That means using commodity parts F and popular programs and offering "me too" and cheap systems etc. like have been suggested many times.P  J I think the situation has gone so far that VMS needs some kind of alliance (wrong word) with Linux.   Osmo   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:04:42 +0100$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>Y Subject: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Favor of Compaq Acq / Message-ID: <la6i8.93$oI5.2943@news.get2net.dk>:   Clip ...  F > My business has been adversely affected by much of what Digital, and CompaqI > have done to the company. Going back to Ken Olsen's comments about unixnL > being 'snake oil', and all the unibus and other hardware licensing issues,K > is the time I measure the decline of Digital from. Don't get me wrong - IrL > too happen to think that for most commercial applications unix is not whatJ > OVMS is, but it would have been far better for Olsen to have said, 'Yes,K > unix is snake oil. But we're going to sell you the best damn snake oil on_ > the planet.'  I Actually, IIRC he did indeed say that some time afterwards, but the wordsoI were to the effect that Digital would do its own and simply do it so mucha$ better than everyone elses offering.   Dweeb.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:02:42 +0100$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>+ Subject: Re: Shutdowning 15 VAX machines...d2 Message-ID: <Oc%h8.718$fL6.13679@news.cpqcorp.net>  ? "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com> wrote in messagee8 news:vxXh8.10532$nC6.53435@news-server.bigpond.net.au...) > If this is your entire cluster, then...o >n >     $ mcr sysman >     SYSMAN> set e/c  >     SYSMAN> shutdown node  >sD  And if you have a group of nodes that are not in a Cluster, just do7 crea/name/parent=lnm$system_directory sysman$node_tableuA defi/table=sysman$node_table cluster1 alpha1,alpha2,alpha3,alpha4 : defi/table=sysman$node_table cluster2 alpha5,alpha6,alpha7  L Then, if you have a valid username with the same password on all Alphas, you can do+ mc sysman set env/node=cluster1/user=system  Remote Password: xxx/ do shutdown node/automatic_reboot/save_feedback    Or6 mc sysman set env/node=(cluster1,cluster2)/user=system do ...  ! Disclaimer: I have not tested it.s   Regards.   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:28:51 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>+ Subject: Re: Shutdowning 15 VAX machines...c) Message-ID: <3C889263.135059C4@127.0.0.1>t   Matt Muggeridge wrote: > ) > If this is your entire cluster, then...n >  >     $ mcr sysman >     SYSMAN> set e/c  >     SYSMAN> shutdown nodes > 7 > All nodes in the cluster will be gracefully shutdown.l  F This in a cluster has varying degrees of success. Ideally you want to-  " SYSMAN> shutdown node /CLUSTER ...  E This allows the cluster to synchronize its activities. e.g. if a maingH voting node were to go, the satellites would hang and not complete theirF graceful reboot. What would probably happen is the main voting node(s)D would reincarnate the cluster, and the poor non voters would CLUEXIT crash / bugcheck.6  B I say varying degrees of success, in mixed versions clusters it isA hit-and-miss if the REMOVE NODE and CLUSTER SHUTDOWN options work 	 properly.s  B However there's no suggestion that the nodes are clustered, so the0 SYSMAN solutions given should work quite nicely.  B I'd be interested in hearing about others' techniques for handling" 'distributed' common operations...   -- a( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:11:18 -0800kC From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com.nospam>Y+ Subject: Re: Shutdowning 15 VAX machines...u0 Message-ID: <3C88FEC6.C898C2C6@intel.com.nospam>   JF Mezei wrote:o   > MC SYSMANiQ > SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=(node1,node2,node3,node4,node5,node6,node7,node8,node9...) . > SYSMAN> DO @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN <parameters> >DN > This assumes that the username you are using has a proxy on all those nodes. >s, > If those are in a cluster: SET ENV/CLUSTER  N My experience is that decnet proxies are irrelevant when doing SET ENV/NODE=()N I still get prompted for a password when at least one node is not in the local cluster.  B Further, and as others have noted, I find using SYSMAN's SHUT NODEI command plus qualifiers far easier to use and less prone to mistakes thant  using DO @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN...       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldp! F20 Automation VMS System Supporto kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.come   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:58:18 +0100$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>+ Subject: Re: TCPIP$FTP hangs in MUTEX stateu2 Message-ID: <a10i8.720$fL6.13638@news.cpqcorp.net>  2 "Joerg Spilling" <spi@equicon.de> wrote in message7 news:dfc30fc1.0203060316.73c5cd7d@posting.google.com...i  > Service: FTPa/ >                            State:     Enabled @ > Port:               21     Protocol:  TCP             Address:	 > 0.0.0.0c@ > Inactivity:          5     User_name: TCPIP$FTP       Process: > TCPIP$FTPaE > Limit:              80     Active:     16             Peak:      29  >sL  As I see a limit of 80 for the service TP, the Tqelm for the user Tcpip$ftp! should be at least twice, so 160.y  J As you had the problem with a peak of 29 Ftp simultaneous connections, may be your Tqelm was under 58 ?   Regardsm   Grard   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:08:50 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>$ Subject: UCX$TELNETSYM error message@ Message-ID: <20020308130850.37956.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>  . Do you have any idea why this message below is generated ?   2 "Fri Mar  8 10:01:51 2002, open_socket_ast invoked6 with bad IOSB 660: connect to network object rejected"  5 I have a printer connected in a Lantronix printserverw* and I am receiving this message in the log  file: UCX$TELNETSYM_printer.LOG;   Regards    FC     =====r ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilu fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?7 Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!  http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:48:38 GMTt1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>V( Subject: Re: UCX$TELNETSYM error message2 Message-ID: <3C88EC53.50B6847B@clarityconnect.com>  < Are you up to date on your UCX or TCPIP version and patches?   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 0 > Do you have any idea why this message below is
 > generated ?t > 4 > "Fri Mar  8 10:01:51 2002, open_socket_ast invoked8 > with bad IOSB 660: connect to network object rejected" > 7 > I have a printer connected in a Lantronix printserver , > and I am receiving this message in the log" > file: UCX$TELNETSYM_printer.LOG; > 	 > Regards. >  > FC >  > =====m > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?9 > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!R > http://mail.yahoo.com/   -- dD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:00:52 GMTe4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>( Subject: Re: UCX$TELNETSYM error message0 Message-ID: <3C88ED07.A871B9BA@blueyonder.co.uk>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 0 > Do you have any idea why this message below is
 > generated ?- > 4 > "Fri Mar  8 10:01:51 2002, open_socket_ast invoked8 > with bad IOSB 660: connect to network object rejected" > 7 > I have a printer connected in a Lantronix printserverd, > and I am receiving this message in the log" > file: UCX$TELNETSYM_printer.LOG;  1 Fabio, did this printer ever work with TELNETSYM?o7 If not, check the port for telnet printing, it may not o" be the same as for eg HP printers.   Can you ping the printer?n   Is it turned on?   Just a few suggestions,  e  n regardst   -- a Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  n  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of t! my employers or service provider.t   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:28:58 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>( Subject: Re: UCX$TELNETSYM error message@ Message-ID: <20020308172859.34820.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>   This printer works fine, a Prints one, two, three jobs andh goes to "stalled".  - I restart th printer, and it prints one, two,  three jobs and "stalled" again.     
 My UCX is    $ ucx show version  2 DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version 5 V4.2 - ECO 1 on a AlphaServer 4X00 5/600 8MB running o OpenVMS V7.1-1H2  1 i know it is an old version but I will receive ann5 ES-40 to substitute this machine (one month). It wills	 run 7.2-1i   regards  FC      . Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>2 --- Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >  >  > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > 2 > > Do you have any idea why this message below is > > generated ?r > > 6 > > "Fri Mar  8 10:01:51 2002, open_socket_ast invoked0 > > with bad IOSB 660: connect to network object > rejected"e > > - > > I have a printer connected in a Lantronixe
 > printserver1. > > and I am receiving this message in the log$ > > file: UCX$TELNETSYM_printer.LOG; > 3 > Fabio, did this printer ever work with TELNETSYM?a4 > If not, check the port for telnet printing, it may > not $ > be the same as for eg HP printers. >  > Can you ping the printer?A >  > Is it turned on? >  > Just a few suggestions,  s >  0	 > regards3 >  > -- A! > Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  C > 1 > Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no ways > represent those of  # > my employers or service provider..     =====r ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilr fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?7 Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!  http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 06:54:55 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t? Subject: Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax 3 Message-ID: <FLSoeSED9sD2@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  R In article <3c882fec.57408829@news-server.cfl.rr.com>, 1076366@charter.net writes:/ > Please excuse this posting in this newsgroup..: > But, just how many people fit the following requirement,- > and where would one look for them BUT HERE?c  E If you gave me a quiz and asked which state needed a Spanish speaking-@ programmer, North Carolina would not be one of my first guesses.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:45:10 -0500p1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>D? Subject: Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vaxd2 Message-ID: <3C88C066.689F213A@firstdbasource.com>  A Actually Charlotte is one of the fastest-growing spanish-speakingcH communities in the country. Don't ask me why... but it is.  Try going toA the local BK and ordering a Whopper -- not a pleasant experience, F because the managers don't speak Spanish and the employees don't speak english. --   Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comcC Sr. Consultant		  CHAROLOTTE, NC.<<<<<<<<<<========================  704-947-1089 (Office)( 704-236-4377 (Mobile)      Larry Kilgallen wrote: > T > In article <3c882fec.57408829@news-server.cfl.rr.com>, 1076366@charter.net writes:1 > > Please excuse this posting in this newsgroup. < > > But, just how many people fit the following requirement,/ > > and where would one look for them BUT HERE?4 > G > If you gave me a quiz and asked which state needed a Spanish speaking B > programmer, North Carolina would not be one of my first guesses.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 08:15:02 -0600s- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n? Subject: Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vaxt3 Message-ID: <kjByaqx528ah@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <3C88C066.689F213A@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:C > Actually Charlotte is one of the fastest-growing spanish-speaking J > communities in the country. Don't ask me why... but it is.  Try going toC > the local BK and ordering a Whopper -- not a pleasant experience,VH > because the managers don't speak Spanish and the employees don't speak
 > english.  C I went to McDonalds in Guadaloupe once.  The pictures were the samep@ on the wall, but the writing was in French.  The staff knew what$ they were doing, I was the stranger.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:24:10 +0100r9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>u? Subject: Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax-' Message-ID: <3C88C98A.E0A14FC7@aaa.com>:  @ A bit OT but, Larry, here in Sweden we actualy *still* have some1 people who's native language is *not* English :-)o  B What's your point ?? Should every McDonald place around the world B have (US-)English speaking staff and (US-)English speaking menus ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > E > I went to McDonalds in Guadaloupe once.  The pictures were the sameMB > on the wall, but the writing was in French.  The staff knew what& > they were doing, I was the stranger.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:14:53 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>? Subject: RE: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax - Message-ID: <0033000055682553000002L032*@MHS>h  8 =0ABesides language, there's also the temporal aspect to communication difficulties-i  < I went into Burger King recently and as part of the family's; take-out order, repeated verbatim my wife's request for two  Whaler fish sandwiches.   9 The person at the counter looked at me as if I were crazyo& and promptly went and got the manager.  : The manager came to the counter, and, trying not to laugh,8 told me (who doesn't eat fast-food fish sandwiches) that7 BK hadn't called their sandwiches Whalers in at least au decade.0   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET $ Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:15 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET? Subject: RE: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision VaxR    A In article <3C88C066.689F213A@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin H <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > Actually Charlotte is one of the=    fastest-growing spanish-speakingH > communities in the country. Don't ask me why... but it is.  Try going=  todC > the local BK and ordering a Whopper -- not a pleasant experience,lH > because the managers don't speak Spanish and the employees don't spea= kr
 > english.  C I went to McDonalds in Guadaloupe once.  The pictures were the same(@ on the wall, but the writing was in French.  The staff knew what% they were doing, I was the stranger.=b   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 09:47:11 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ? Subject: Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vax 3 Message-ID: <2lgW26LGAR2F@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  c In article <3C88C98A.E0A14FC7@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: B > A bit OT but, Larry, here in Sweden we actualy *still* have some3 > people who's native language is *not* English :-). > D > What's your point ?? Should every McDonald place around the world D > have (US-)English speaking staff and (US-)English speaking menus ? >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> iF >> I went to McDonalds in Guadaloupe once.  The pictures were the sameC >> on the wall, but the writing was in French.  The staff knew whats' >> they were doing, I was the stranger.e  @ You snipped the part to which I was responding, which dealt withA a management-workerbee disconnect in the fast food industry. Yes,w& this is all off-topic for comp.os.vms.  A I was demonstrating that a customer-staff disconnect is also bad,b@ even if both sides fully understand the functioning of the place; (the French MacDonalds was organized like those in the US).l  > Those of us in the US who speak English do not often encounter< what those of us in the US who speak only Spanish encounter,  unless we go to another country.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:24:34 +0100$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>? Subject: Re: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vaxn/ Message-ID: <_s6i8.95$oI5.2959@news.get2net.dk>f  J Shit, really ?  They were whalers when I made 'em - mmm, no I think of it,@ that was more than two decades ago - I am getting old - sob, sob   Dweeb'  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messagen' news:0033000055682553000002L032*@MHS...t  5 Besides language, there's also the temporal aspect toe communication difficulties-o  < I went into Burger King recently and as part of the family's; take-out order, repeated verbatim my wife's request for two8 Whaler fish sandwiches.   9 The person at the counter looked at me as if I were crazyg& and promptly went and got the manager.  : The manager came to the counter, and, trying not to laugh,8 told me (who doesn't eat fast-food fish sandwiches) that7 BK hadn't called their sandwiches Whalers in at least a  decade.u   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETd$ Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:15 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET? Subject: RE: US-NC contract to perm Spanish Cobol CorVision Vaxr    A In article <3C88C066.689F213A@firstdbasource.com>, Michael AustinlG <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > Actually Charlotte is one of thes  fastest-growing spanish-speakingJ > communities in the country. Don't ask me why... but it is.  Try going toC > the local BK and ordering a Whopper -- not a pleasant experience,eH > because the managers don't speak Spanish and the employees don't speak
 > english.  C I went to McDonalds in Guadaloupe once.  The pictures were the same0@ on the wall, but the writing was in French.  The staff knew what% they were doing, I was the stranger.=c   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:54:00 GMT ' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>.; Subject: Re: What VMS version runs on a Digital Server 3000M$ Message-ID: <3c88eca5$1@zfree.co.nz>  , Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> wrote: >i >Hans Vlems wrote: >> e >> Jeff, >> s4 >> the 3300 is now running VMS, thank you very much.; >> The next problem is now to get X/Motif running. The 3300eC >> has an S3 video card. Does VMS 7.3 have support for that adapter # >> or should I install another one?o >WD >Did you install DECWindows? It is X/MOTIF. You will need to install@ >DECNet as well, if you haven't. The DS 3300 S3 video will work. >k Jeff,   A DECnet phase IV was installed even though there's no recognizable-@ adapter installed. It has a Madge tokenring PCI card but that isC not supported, so NCP does not show any lines (let alone circuits).d@ But as soon as X/Motif starts the monitor loses connection, the F green led turns amber. I have a Digital PCXCV-DV PC monitor connected.
 Any ideas?   Hans     http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:50:28 +01004 From: "Aleksander Koodziejczyk" <ako@simple.com.pl> Subject: Where can I find LSE ?e- Message-ID: <a6ac3h$3ai$1@news2.ipartners.pl>R  I Is LSE (DEC Language-Sensitive Editor) any freeware or with VMS system? InK had LSE before I made new installation VMS and now I don't know where I caneJ find this product (LSE was installed few years before I came to the firm).   Regards, Aleksander Kolodziejczyk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:02:56 +0100f9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>s# Subject: Re: Where can I find LSE ?h' Message-ID: <3C88B680.43D9E368@aaa.com>m  ; LSE is not free (if your aren't running a hobbyist system).   F If you had LSE before (and could use it), then you also had a license.5 First reinstall your LSE license, then reinstall LSE.s  A Of course you need the CD distribution with "layered products" ton find LSE...   0 If you can't find your LSE license anymore, thenB if you got an old backup of your old system disk, you could try toC restore it to some unused disk and try to "LICENSE ISSUE/PROC" from0D your old license database. Not sure what the exact command would be,@ perhaps you have to boot your old system to be able to ISSUE the license.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.n  ! "Aleksander Koodziejczyk" wrote:  > K > Is LSE (DEC Language-Sensitive Editor) any freeware or with VMS system? I M > had LSE before I made new installation VMS and now I don't know where I canoL > find this product (LSE was installed few years before I came to the firm). > 
 > Regards, > Aleksander Kolodziejczyk   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:07:43 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>v# Subject: RE: Where can I find LSE ?f9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEPCEEAA.tom@kednos.com>o  H I have the Electric-pli module for emacs if you want.  There are modulesJ for almost any programming language and they are automatically loaded upon! recognition by emacs of the type.)   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Aleksander Koodziejczyk [mailto:ako@simple.com.pl]g& > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 4:50 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh! > Subject: Where can I find LSE ?  >  >eK > Is LSE (DEC Language-Sensitive Editor) any freeware or with VMS system? I A > had LSE before I made new installation VMS and now I don't knowt
 > where I caniL > find this product (LSE was installed few years before I came to the firm). >r
 > Regards, > Aleksander Kolodziejczyk >= >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:23:18 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: Where can I find LSE ?_K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0803020823180001@1cust149.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>-  H In article <a6ac3h$3ai$1@news2.ipartners.pl>, "Aleksander Koodziejczyk" <ako@simple.com.pl> wrote:  J >Is LSE (DEC Language-Sensitive Editor) any freeware or with VMS system? IL >had LSE before I made new installation VMS and now I don't know where I canK >find this product (LSE was installed few years before I came to the firm).c  + LSE isn't freeware.  You can't download it.   G Look for a layered product CD library, a DECset installation kit, or an:E LSE installation kit.  In my experience, LSE is usually delivered andrD installed with the whole DECset product suite -- MMS, CMS, PCA, etc.  J If you cleaned off your disk, you might also need to find your old licenseI PAK and re-enter that as well.  You might have an LSE license or a DECset= (or VAXset) license.  J It sounds like you did a VMS installation, when you might have been betterA of doing an upgrade.  Upgrades preserve the contents of the disk._   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2002 08:02:38 -0600Y From: briggs@encompasserve.orgY Subject: Re: Why no DEFINE /GROUP=nnnn? (was re: define "group-logicals" at system startuR3 Message-ID: <$+ZCQu1JwyvT@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  f In article <a68sjr$vd8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm" <malcolmix@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes:9 > "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> wrote in message04 > news:HGyh8.4850$gQ.2371775@news02.optonline.net...I >> > ...but why isn't there a DEFINE /GROUP=[group name or group number],-H >> > requiring (say) SYSNAM and CMKRNL privileges and creating the group > table  >> ifa >> > it doesn't exist? >>B >> Umm...  it would appear someone isn't reading the manual again. >>= >> $ DEFINE /TABLE=LNM$GROUP_nnnnnn  TEST_LOGICAL "SOMETHING"  >>' >> ... requires either SYSPRV or BYPASSr >>F >> $ CREATE /NAME_TABLE /PARENT=LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY  LNM$GROUP_nnnnnn >>B >> ... not sure what privilege is required, but most likely SYSPRV >>B SYSNAM tends to be required to create inner mode logical names andB it is an alternative to SYSPRV, BYPASS, UIC less than MAXSYSGROUP,C membership in group 1 or non-default logical name table permissions@A for obtaining access to LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY or LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE.a  D (Yes, I know you can also create inner mode logical names from a 3GL if you have CMEXEC or CMKRNL)r  N > But the idea of requiring CMKRNL, is that the current methods require CMKRNL > (RUN /UIC and SUBMIT /USER).  ! $ RUN/UIC takes DETACH privilege.5  J The correct idea should be to use the privilege that is already associated with logical names: SYSNAM.s  - > DEFINE /GROUP=nnnn should require CMKRNL asiI > well. SYSNAM only might be more sensible, but there might be situationshK > where a malicious user with SYSNAM privilege could exploit the ability to1L > create group tables to, say, intercept an application and gather data thatN > should be going to that application by redefining logicals for crucial filesM > for instance?. (Yes, they could do it with SYSNAM... but what if you have auM > group with specific logicals pointing to specific applications/data defined : > at group level, and your malicious user redefines them?)  F CMRKNL, DETACH and SYSNAM are all "if you have it, you own the system"F privileges.  You're not going to make yourself safe by hiring a hackerB and handing him CMKRNL instead of SYSNAM.  He owns you either way.  A A halfway competent hacker should be able to parlay either CMKRNLlE or SYSNAM into full system access inside of 15 seconds without tools.   F The granularity of VMS privileges that come under the "ALL" heading inG AUTHORIZE is there to help keep honest people honest.  There are plentytC of ways for dishonest folks to parlay one "ALL" privilege into fulls system access.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.132 ************************ > represent those of  # > my employers or service provider..     =====r ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilr fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?7 Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email!  http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------