1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 142       Contents: 3Dlabs bought by creative.* Re: Another big block votes against merger Re: Antigen found =*.exe file  Re: Antigen found =*.exe file  Re: Antigen found =*.exe file  Re: Antigen found =*.exe file  Re: Antigen found =*.exe file  Architecture
 COMPACTION Re: COMPACTION Re: COMPACTION Re: COMPACTION Re: COMPACTION Re: COMPACTION Re: compaq c++5 DEC-Alpha/VMS Systems Administrator with SCADA needed  RE: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser  Re: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser  Re: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser  DTTS on Unix Machine Dynamic IP address question  Re: Dynamic IP address question  Re: Dynamic IP address question  Re: Dynamic IP address question  Re: Dynamic IP address question  Re: Dynamic IP address question  Re: filename size = Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before? = Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before? = Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before? = Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before? = Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before? & Re: Marcello et al. - visit this forum& Re: Marcello et al. - visit this forum+ Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads * Mimer SQL for OpenVMS Itanium Announcement My VMS to a halt sometimes.  Re: My VMS to a halt sometimes.   Re: OpenVMS jobs available - FYI  Re: OpenVMS jobs available - FYI% Re: PC monitor attached to RGB output % RE: PC monitor attached to RGB output % Re: PC monitor attached to RGB output % Re: PC monitor attached to RGB output  Re: Re: Sound on alpha/VMS? 7 Transferring files from one OpenVMS machine to another. ; RE: Transferring files from one OpenVMS machine to another. ; Re: Transferring files from one OpenVMS machine to another.  Re: VFC File Problem Re: VFC File Problem8 Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMS8 Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMS, Re: Why not we guys buy OpenVMS from Compaq?, Re: Why not we guys buy OpenVMS from Compaq?, Re: Why not we guys buy OpenVMS from Compaq?@ Re: [OT]  NY Times Op-Ed misses point about unreliablity of PC's@ Re: [OT]  NY Times Op-Ed misses point about unreliablity of PC's@ Re: [OT] US/Europe living costs, was: Re: VMS sys admin salaries@ Re: [OT] US/Europe living costs, was: Re: VMS sys admin salaries  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2002 07:45:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: 3Dlabs bought by creative. 0 Message-ID: <87wuwillc8.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>   Details on the usual suspects.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:07:41 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 3 Subject: Re: Another big block votes against merger + Message-ID: <3C8F794D.EBE77B53@caltech.edu>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Peter Weaver wrote: H > > For purposes of determining whether Hewlett-Packard has received theL > > affirmative vote of a majority of the votes cast at the Special Meeting,L > > broker "non-votes" and abstentions will not be considered votes cast andA > > will therefore have no effect on the outcome of the proposal.  > 5 > Is there any word on quorum minimums for the vote ?   5 http://www.transactioninfo.com/hpcom/share.html#faq10   +   What is a quorum and why is it necessary? /   A quorum of stockholders is necessary to have 1   a valid meeting of Hewlett-Packard stockholders 4   A majority of the shares of Hewlett-Packard common6   stock issued and outstanding and entitled to vote on1   the record date must be present in person or by 7   proxy at the Hewlett-Packard special meeting in order 8   for a quorum to be established. Abstentions and broker:   "non-votes" count as present for establishing the quorum8   described above. A broker "non-vote" occurs on an item5   when a broker is not permitted to vote on that item 7   without instructions from the beneficial owner of the 6   shares and no instructions are given. Shares held byA   Hewlett-Packard in its treasury do not count toward the quorum.   F What strikes me as odd about this is that the broker "non-vote" countsG towards quorum but not towards the election itself.  Organizations like C Fidelity have a gazillion shares of HP held for individuals, and if C half of them throw out their proxy statements the broker "non-vote"  sector could be gigantic.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 01:55:19 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) & Subject: Re: Antigen found =*.exe file= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0203130155.189608ec@posting.google.com>   ; I need some help to get this running... it does not seem to  work for me....    $ r q216309.exe 3 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image q216309.exe G -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file TEACH$DRA3:[SADM.][PATRICK.WRK]q216309.exe;1 8 -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image  F Seriously though - it would appear we cannot email OpenVMS executablesC around anymore - all because of Window(tm). Some sites setup "anti- 9 virus" software on their email gateways - anyone have any D interesting stories on what this may/has done to OpenVMS .exe files?  G UNSW is considering doing so (I have no idea on what they plan to use).   ' Window(tm) == cancer in _SO_ many ways.    ANTIGEN_DOAISD01001 <ANTIGEN_DOAISD01001@state.mt.us> wrote in message news:<A177CD842A27D2119B620000F6B6709908B81A47@doaisd01001.state.mt.us>... J > A file that may contain a virus has been discovered to be attached to orK > included in an email message sent to you.  The sender must clean the file L > and/or their computer before resending the file.  You may want to considerC > some other form of communication with this individual until their  > environment has been cleaned.  > M > If the sender is attempting to send any of the following files, please note A > that the State Email System is configured to block those files:  > M > *.EXE, *.COM, *.PIF, *.SCR, *.BAT, *.BAS, *.CHM, *.CMD, *.CPL, *.HTA, *.JS, I > *.JSE, *.SCT, *.SHB, *.VB, *.VBE, *.WSC, *.WSF, *.WSH, *.REG, and *.LNK  > M > Please contact the sender for instructions on how they may receive the file 
 > via FTP. > E > Antigen for Exchange found q216309.exe matching =*.exe file filter. F > The file is currently Removed.  The message, "Watch this - Microsoft > Security Update", was D > sent from Micke Lundgren  and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound( > located at Montana/State1/DOAISD01001. > E > Antigen for Exchange found q216309.exe matching =*.exe file filter. F > The file is currently Removed.  The message, "Watch this - Microsoft > Security Update", was D > sent from Micke Lundgren  and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound( > located at Montana/State1/DOAISD01001.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:29:27 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: Antigen found =*.exe file) Message-ID: <3C8F4627.8031E84E@127.0.0.1>    Patrick Young wrote: > = > I need some help to get this running... it does not seem to  > work for me....  >  > $ r q216309.exe 5 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image q216309.exe I > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file TEACH$DRA3:[SADM.][PATRICK.WRK]q216309.exe;1 : > -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image > H > Seriously though - it would appear we cannot email OpenVMS executablesE > around anymore - all because of Window(tm). Some sites setup "anti- ; > virus" software on their email gateways - anyone have any F > interesting stories on what this may/has done to OpenVMS .exe files?  F This is a virus. It is being spammed to 'poor M$ users', purporting toH come from M$ security, and the payload is a virus. I don't recall which.  G This is a worrying trend, that your transcript above proves that VMS is D immune (mind you, if I send you a bit of code, would you run it withH CMKRNL privilege?!) I've not received one of these at home (yet) so I'veC not tried a trace on it. Whilst I cannot condone the actions of the F perpetrator(s), such things continue to hammer those little nails into the M$ coffin.   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:33:52 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) & Subject: Re: Antigen found =*.exe file, Message-ID: <a6no0g$16nb$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ) In article <3C8F4627.8031E84E@127.0.0.1>, +  Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  |> Patrick Young wrote:  |> >  @ |> > I need some help to get this running... it does not seem to |> > work for me.... |> >   |> > $ r q216309.exe8 |> > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image q216309.exeL |> > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file TEACH$DRA3:[SADM.][PATRICK.WRK]q216309.exe;1= |> > -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image  |>I |> This is a virus. It is being spammed to 'poor M$ users', purporting to K |> come from M$ security, and the payload is a virus. I don't recall which.  |>  D The Gibe Worm (Which I am unfamiliar with although I have received 2D copies of this message so far.  My Email is immune to these juvenile pranks.)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:08:18 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> & Subject: Re: Antigen found =*.exe file2 Message-ID: <NXJj8.31913$X2.322365@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  6 "Patrick Young" <P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU> wrote in message7 news:55f85d77.0203130155.189608ec@posting.google.com...  >...H > Seriously though - it would appear we cannot email OpenVMS executablesE > around anymore - all because of Window(tm). Some sites setup "anti- ; > virus" software on their email gateways - anyone have any F > interesting stories on what this may/has done to OpenVMS .exe files? >...  K Some sites just strip off attachements that have the extension .EXE or .SCR  or .COM!  J Once upon a time a person I know tried to get to a particular VMS web siteF (http://www.jcameron.com/vms/dcl.htm) only to find that the web filterL thought it was an entertainment site. In order to get the web site taken outL of the entertainment filter he tried it from home and found a few .COM filesL that would be interesting to look at. He downloaded them from home, attachedF them to a mail message and mailed them to himself. The next morning heK extracted the attachments to a pathworks share, logged onto the VMS box and I edited one of the files. All he found was "Attachment removed by policy."      -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2002 06:33:57 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.564897.killspam.00c7 (Wayne Sewell) & Subject: Re: Antigen found =*.exe file. Message-ID: <PWfqD6A+18tA@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  i In article <55f85d77.0203130155.189608ec@posting.google.com>, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes: = > I need some help to get this running... it does not seem to  > work for me....  >  > $ r q216309.exe 5 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image q216309.exe I > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file TEACH$DRA3:[SADM.][PATRICK.WRK]q216309.exe;1 : > -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image > H > Seriously though - it would appear we cannot email OpenVMS executablesE > around anymore - all because of Window(tm). Some sites setup "anti- ; > virus" software on their email gateways - anyone have any F > interesting stories on what this may/has done to OpenVMS .exe files? > I > UNSW is considering doing so (I have no idea on what they plan to use).  >     L There is nothing magic about the .exe extention.  It is just the default forE creation and use of executables.  You could always rename the file to M q216309.whoopeefish and then rename it back after the transfer.  Or you could % "$ run q216309.whoopeefish" directly.   O Same thing applies to .com files, which are also molested by filters like this.       ) > Window(tm) == cancer in _SO_ many ways.   
 Copy that.     >  > ANTIGEN_DOAISD01001 <ANTIGEN_DOAISD01001@state.mt.us> wrote in message news:<A177CD842A27D2119B620000F6B6709908B81A47@doaisd01001.state.mt.us>... K >> A file that may contain a virus has been discovered to be attached to or L >> included in an email message sent to you.  The sender must clean the fileM >> and/or their computer before resending the file.  You may want to consider D >> some other form of communication with this individual until their  >> environment has been cleaned. >>  N >> If the sender is attempting to send any of the following files, please noteB >> that the State Email System is configured to block those files: >>  N >> *.EXE, *.COM, *.PIF, *.SCR, *.BAT, *.BAS, *.CHM, *.CMD, *.CPL, *.HTA, *.JS,J >> *.JSE, *.SCT, *.SHB, *.VB, *.VBE, *.WSC, *.WSF, *.WSH, *.REG, and *.LNK >>  N >> Please contact the sender for instructions on how they may receive the file >> via FTP.  >>  F >> Antigen for Exchange found q216309.exe matching =*.exe file filter.G >> The file is currently Removed.  The message, "Watch this - Microsoft  >> Security Update", wasE >> sent from Micke Lundgren  and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound ) >> located at Montana/State1/DOAISD01001.  >>  F >> Antigen for Exchange found q216309.exe matching =*.exe file filter.G >> The file is currently Removed.  The message, "Watch this - Microsoft  >> Security Update", wasE >> sent from Micke Lundgren  and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound ) >> located at Montana/State1/DOAISD01001.  --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== = Society Lady:  Are you familiar with the Great Wall of China? 5        Curly:  No, but I know a big fence in Chicago!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:19:41 +0500 ! From: MSCS007 <MSCS007@nu.edu.pk>  Subject: Architecture > Message-ID: <4F7DD203738DD411B71A00B0D03DDECC02808B93@highway>   Dear Sir   J I need the Design architecture of the DACTalk. I am a graduate student and) my area of research is speech synthesis.  J Kindlly if you have the architecture or you have some relevent link please tell me.   Regards  Usman Afzal  Graduate Student  
 www.nu.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:55:41 +0100 , From: "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> Subject: COMPACTION . Message-ID: <a6nb7d$nmq$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>   Hello,  1 I have a problem making a COMPACTed IMAGE BACKUP. D When I INITIALIZE and MOUNT the tapedrive with COPMACTION qualifier, everything is O.K.I But when I start the IMAGE BACKUP then SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL shows that  COMACTION is disabled.  - $ INIT/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500: imgbkp  $ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL   L Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, record-oriented device,G     file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, controller supports >     compaction (compaction enabled), device supports fastskip.  * $ MOUNT/FOR/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500 $ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL   J Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, deallocate onL     dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device,H     error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction&     nabled), device supports fastskip.  @ $ BACKUP/IMAGE/RECORD/REWIND/IGNORE=(LABEL,NOBACKUP,INTERLOCK) -                 DKB0: - @                 MKA500:dkb0/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/SAVE_SET/LOG $ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL   J Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, deallocate onL     dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device,H     error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction(     disabled), device supports fastskip. .N Any idea's?I   Regards,
 Hamid Bourchih   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:20:04 +0100a, From: "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: COMPACTION . Message-ID: <a6nn6l$88k$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>  L VMS version is V7.2-1 and tape type: DLTtapeIV comatible: DLT 4000, 7000 and 8000 Drivers/Lecteurs.K I am using COPMACTION qualifier with INITIALIZE, MOUNT and BACKUP. But wheni the BACKUP begin COMPACTION become disabled.h  
 Hamid BourchirA "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> schreef in berichteD news:rdeininger-1303020836130001@1cust64.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...@ > In article <a6nb7d$nmq$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>, "Hamid Bourchi" > <hbourchi@hotmail.com> wrote:h >A	 > >Hello,h > >e4 > >I have a problem making a COMPACTed IMAGE BACKUP.G > >When I INITIALIZE and MOUNT the tapedrive with COPMACTION qualifier,r > >everything is O.K.nL > >But when I start the IMAGE BACKUP then SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL shows that > >COMACTION is disabled.s > >l0 > >$ INIT/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500: imgbkp > >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL > > G > >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, record-orientedt device, J > >    file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, controller supportsA > >    compaction (compaction enabled), device supports fastskip.l > >o- > >$ MOUNT/FOR/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500r > >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL > > B > >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated,
 deallocate > >on G > >    dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-orientedt device,SK > >    error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compactionM) > >    nabled), device supports fastskip.n > >rC > >$ BACKUP/IMAGE/RECORD/REWIND/IGNORE=(LABEL,NOBACKUP,INTERLOCK) -o > >                DKB0: -C > >                MKA500:dkb0/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/SAVE_SET/LOGn > >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL > >aB > >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated,
 deallocate > >on-G > >    dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented2 device,:K > >    error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compactiont+ > >    disabled), device supports fastskip.9 > >. > >Any idea's? >aG > What VMS version?  It takes a fairly recent version to do compaction. E > Depending on version, you might need some patches to get the properl > behavior.  > F > The tape has to be written with compaction from the beginning.  SomeG > drives foolishly turn off compaction if you give them a chance to uselE > built-in defaults when they are at the beginning of tape.  To avoide6 > problems with overly clever drives, it's best to useH > /MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION with INITIALIZE, MOUNT (if used), and BACKUP. > >s > >Regards,7 > >Hamid Bourchi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:36:13 -0500o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: COMPACTIONoJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-1303020836130001@1cust64.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  > In article <a6nb7d$nmq$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>, "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> wrote:e   >Hello,  > 2 >I have a problem making a COMPACTed IMAGE BACKUP.E >When I INITIALIZE and MOUNT the tapedrive with COPMACTION qualifier,a >everything is O.K.uJ >But when I start the IMAGE BACKUP then SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL shows that >COMACTION is disabled.f >w. >$ INIT/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500: imgbkp >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL >nM >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, record-oriented device,tH >    file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, controller supports? >    compaction (compaction enabled), device supports fastskip.r >r+ >$ MOUNT/FOR/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500h >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL >vK >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, deallocate  >onoM >    dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device,sI >    error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compactione' >    nabled), device supports fastskip.  >tA >$ BACKUP/IMAGE/RECORD/REWIND/IGNORE=(LABEL,NOBACKUP,INTERLOCK) -  >                DKB0: -A >                MKA500:dkb0/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/SAVE_SET/LOGi >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL >iK >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, deallocateo >oneM >    dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, I >    error logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction ) >    disabled), device supports fastskip.c >. >Any idea's?  F What VMS version?  It takes a fairly recent version to do compaction. C Depending on version, you might need some patches to get the proper 	 behavior..  D The tape has to be written with compaction from the beginning.  SomeE drives foolishly turn off compaction if you give them a chance to use0C built-in defaults when they are at the beginning of tape.  To avoid 4 problems with overly clever drives, it's best to useH /MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION with INITIALIZE, MOUNT (if used), and BACKUP.   >p	 >Regards,i >Hamid Bourchi   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:22:15 GMTs1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi>s Subject: Re: COMPACTIONn5 Message-ID: <H8Kj8.11883$zZ5.243425@news.kpnqwest.fi>c  L IIRC there was a bug with vanilla 7.2-1 backup.exe that caused this problem.: Do you have the latest backup eco kit for 7.2-1 installed:  L http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/vms721_backup-v0200.CVR LET_TXTo   -Kari-  7 "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> wrote in messages( news:a6nn6l$88k$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl...J > VMS version is V7.2-1 and tape type: DLTtapeIV comatible: DLT 4000, 7000 and  > 8000 Drivers/Lecteurs.H > I am using COPMACTION qualifier with INITIALIZE, MOUNT and BACKUP. But when > the BACKUP begin > COMPACTION become disabled.l >e > Hamid BourchieC > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> schreef in bericht,F > news:rdeininger-1303020836130001@1cust64.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...B > > In article <a6nb7d$nmq$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>, "Hamid Bourchi"! > > <hbourchi@hotmail.com> wrote:n > >o > > >Hello,s > > > 6 > > >I have a problem making a COMPACTed IMAGE BACKUP.I > > >When I INITIALIZE and MOUNT the tapedrive with COPMACTION qualifier,u > > >everything is O.K.sI > > >But when I start the IMAGE BACKUP then SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL showsu that > > >COMACTION is disabled.u > > >b2 > > >$ INIT/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500: imgbkp > > >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL > > >eI > > >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, record-orientedg	 > device,hL > > >    file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, controller supportsC > > >    compaction (compaction enabled), device supports fastskip.1 > > > / > > >$ MOUNT/FOR/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500a > > >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL > > > D > > >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, > deallocate > > >on8I > > >    dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-orientedr	 > device,tA > > >    error logging is enabled, controller supports compactionD (compaction,+ > > >    nabled), device supports fastskip.E > > >EE > > >$ BACKUP/IMAGE/RECORD/REWIND/IGNORE=(LABEL,NOBACKUP,INTERLOCK) -- > > >                DKB0: -E > > >                MKA500:dkb0/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/SAVE_SET/LOGa > > >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL > > >eD > > >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, > deallocate > > >onwI > > >    dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-orientedO	 > device, A > > >    error logging is enabled, controller supports compactionp (compaction - > > >    disabled), device supports fastskip.u > > >. > > >Any idea's? > >sI > > What VMS version?  It takes a fairly recent version to do compaction.eG > > Depending on version, you might need some patches to get the properi
 > > behavior.n > >cH > > The tape has to be written with compaction from the beginning.  SomeI > > drives foolishly turn off compaction if you give them a chance to usetG > > built-in defaults when they are at the beginning of tape.  To avoide8 > > problems with overly clever drives, it's best to useJ > > /MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION with INITIALIZE, MOUNT (if used), and BACKUP. > > >u
 > > >Regards,u > > >Hamid Bourchi >: >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:15:57 GMTn1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>s Subject: Re: COMPACTION 2 Message-ID: <3C8F8A26.B45FE40F@clarityconnect.com>  ; Also install VMS721_UPDATE-V0300 & VMS721_FIBRE_SCSI-V0500.w   Kari Keronen wrote:  > N > IIRC there was a bug with vanilla 7.2-1 backup.exe that caused this problem.< > Do you have the latest backup eco kit for 7.2-1 installed: > N > http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/vms721_backup-v0200.CVR	 > LET_TXTr >  > -Kari- > 9 > "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> wrote in messagee* > news:a6nn6l$88k$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl...L > > VMS version is V7.2-1 and tape type: DLTtapeIV comatible: DLT 4000, 7000 > andv > > 8000 Drivers/Lecteurs.J > > I am using COPMACTION qualifier with INITIALIZE, MOUNT and BACKUP. But > when > > the BACKUP begin > > COMPACTION become disabled.h > >o > > Hamid BourchitE > > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> schreef in berichtcH > > news:rdeininger-1303020836130001@1cust64.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...D > > > In article <a6nb7d$nmq$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>, "Hamid Bourchi"# > > > <hbourchi@hotmail.com> wrote:e > > >r
 > > > >Hello,u > > > >:8 > > > >I have a problem making a COMPACTed IMAGE BACKUP.K > > > >When I INITIALIZE and MOUNT the tapedrive with COPMACTION qualifier,e > > > >everything is O.K.1K > > > >But when I start the IMAGE BACKUP then SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL shows  > that > > > >COMACTION is disabled.u > > > >e4 > > > >$ INIT/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500: imgbkp  > > > >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL > > > > K > > > >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, record-orientedS > > device, N > > > >    file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, controller supportsE > > > >    compaction (compaction enabled), device supports fastskip.r > > > >M1 > > > >$ MOUNT/FOR/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION MKA500n  > > > >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL > > > >wF > > > >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, > > deallocate	 > > > >oniK > > > >    dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented  > > device,aC > > > >    error logging is enabled, controller supports compactiont
 > (compactionn- > > > >    nabled), device supports fastskip.p > > > >sG > > > >$ BACKUP/IMAGE/RECORD/REWIND/IGNORE=(LABEL,NOBACKUP,INTERLOCK) -  > > > >                DKB0: -G > > > >                MKA500:dkb0/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/SAVE_SET/LOGp  > > > >$ SHOW DEVICE MKA500/FULL > > > >tF > > > >Magtape AZNA02$MKA500:, device type TZ88, is online, allocated, > > deallocate	 > > > >on K > > > >    dismount, mounted foreign, record-oriented device, file-oriented0 > > device,eC > > > >    error logging is enabled, controller supports compactiont
 > (compactiono/ > > > >    disabled), device supports fastskip.c > > > >. > > > >Any idea's? > > >UK > > > What VMS version?  It takes a fairly recent version to do compaction.eI > > > Depending on version, you might need some patches to get the properG > > > behavior.n > > > J > > > The tape has to be written with compaction from the beginning.  SomeK > > > drives foolishly turn off compaction if you give them a chance to use I > > > built-in defaults when they are at the beginning of tape.  To avoid : > > > problems with overly clever drives, it's best to useL > > > /MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION with INITIALIZE, MOUNT (if used), and BACKUP. > > > >t > > > >Regards,s > > > >Hamid Bourchi > >x > >e   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   Date: 13 MAR 2002 15:46:36 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: COMPACTIONt6 Message-ID: <13MAR02.15463614@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  D In a previous article, "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> wrote:  N ->VMS version is V7.2-1 and tape type: DLTtapeIV comatible: DLT 4000, 7000 and ->8000 Drivers/Lecteurs.M ->I am using COPMACTION qualifier with INITIALIZE, MOUNT and BACKUP. But wheny ->the BACKUP begin ->COMPACTION become disabled.  ->    G We've seen this on V7.2-1 as well. I have a note in my backup procedureiF that a new backup.exe, backupshr.exe and sys$mkdriver.exe are required= to fix this. Make sure you've applied VMS721_UPDATE-V0300 andi VMS721_FIBRE_SCSI-V0500.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonh2 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 00:38:46 -0800, From: tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung) Subject: Re: compaq c++E= Message-ID: <f9dc0a5a.0203130038.58e6a942@posting.google.com>L   Your answer is available here,2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_3180.html  E Basically you first need to use open()/fopen() to open the file firstgB with the OpenVMS specific switches and then use the fstream class.   Tony Cheung   d "Jeffrey Cameron" <bubbapig@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2Cyf8.980$635.947@news1.bloor.is>... > I have a question: > L > I am converting a C program to C++ on an Alpha and am trying to find a way< > to convert the DEC C usage of fopen which looks like this: > I > fopen(filename,"wb+", "mrs=length*4", "ctx=xplct", "rfm=var", "rat=cr")e >  >  > K > into something that uses C++ iostream/fstream libraries. I mean I can use0N > this if I have to but I would prefer to have everything C++ in the end as itG > seems to be a little nicer to read, use and defintiely more typesafe.  >  >  >  > Thanks in advancet   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 09:44:31 -0800' From: steve@algomod.com (Steve Kuznick)s> Subject: DEC-Alpha/VMS Systems Administrator with SCADA needed= Message-ID: <7d2559f5.0203130944.230c2287@posting.google.com>   . Systems Administrator needed: DEC/ VMS/ Alpha.  Contract: 3 month-right to hire. Jersey City, New Jersey-    A Candidates must have skills with DEC/ ALPHA/ VMS. Will administerC> device control application: fans/ pressure/ lights/ pumps etc.5 Experience with Miser/SCADA  database is a real plus.    steve@algomod.comr   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:30:38 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ( Subject: RE: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser, Message-ID: <a6nnqe$16nb$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  @ I have a long bar magnet used to bias the graphics tablet on oldE Tektronix Graphics Terminals that works fine for this.  I have erasedrA all sizes/forms of floppy as well as TK50/TK70 and 9-track tapes.d  A As for the government, they do have a degauser that meets all theMC neccesary security requirements.  It's down at the Navy Yard in DC.OA After running a hardisk through it the disk tends to be unusable. @ I should mention that the normal use of this degauser is for de- magnetizing ships.  :-)P  A On another interesting note, I wonder what would be the result ofMB passing something like a hard disk through an MRI maschine??  I'll bet that would do the trick!!n   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 13 MAR 2002 15:57:29 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)( Subject: Re: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser6 Message-ID: <13MAR02.15572918@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  I In a previous article, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:   C ->On another interesting note, I wonder what would be the result of0C ->passing something like a hard disk through an MRI machine??  I'llt ->bet that would do the trick!!   E Dangerous idea. Anything magnetic in the vicinity of an MRI magnet is D likely to become a projectile heading toward the magnet. People have died this way.  E Plus, since you don't just "turn off" a superconducting magnet, you'd-H never be able to extricate the drive from the magnet without dumping the# helium charge - which is not cheap.>   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-MadisonM2 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:56:07 -0500f1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>h( Subject: Re: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser2 Message-ID: <3C8F92B7.E9A29F82@firstdbasource.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: >  > C > On another interesting note, I wonder what would be the result of.D > passing something like a hard disk through an MRI maschine??  I'll > bet that would do the trick!!   G While this indeed would work, you really don't want to do this.  With a F hard drive, not only would the media be erased, but every moving metalF part in the thing would now carry some sort of magnetic charge causing irratic behavior.   F On another note, should the disk drive get away from you and slam intoH the MRI unit, it is possible that this could cause the magnetic field toE collapse resulting in explosion capable of putting a 6ft wide hole in H the 4ft thick copper-lined concrete wall.  (according to a Siemans fieldD service representative I worked with when fixing the uVAX and 11/750- that controlled it... he had seen it happen.)r >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -- c Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163C7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)  704-236-4377 (Mobile)M   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:26:42 +0000 (UTC)a0 From: "Max Mauceri" <mmauceri@rome.sema.slb.com> Subject: DTTS on Unix Machine H Message-ID: <bc8f06ddcce967ce5f3b4dfb273dc434.77540@mygate.mailgate.org>   Hi Guys ; i have a trouble on DS10 machine running 4.0f Digital Unix.c< The machine is dtss clerk (Digital Distributed Time Service)= But unfortunately if i check the status of dtts on NCL promptc i have a following message :    $ migwy1# ncl sync dtss set clock true   Node 0 DTSS & AT 2002-03-11-16:41:39.338+00:00I-----    FAILED IN DIRECTIVE: Synchronize& DUE TO: No such Entity Instance exists    0 I suppose a dtss clerk process doesn't start....E which is the manner (on Digital Unix System ) to start this porcess ?T   Thank for your attection     -- e8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:19:13 GMTB+ From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com>a$ Subject: Dynamic IP address question5 Message-ID: <1016021942.279039@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>j   All,  I If this is in the FAQ please accept my apologies now, I couldn't find it..  G I connect to a number of VMS servers (from version 6.2 thru 7.3) from a"K laptop with a dynamically assigned IP address. The address is assigned whenCD I log onto our site NT4 network by DHCP. How can I on my vms systemsL interrogate the IP address automatically and then use this value to redirectK the display to that IP address, again automatically. Ideally this can be in$+ login.com but a DCL script would be OK too.   I Currently I use Reflections X to telnet onto the VMS box, then issue a SH E TERM to get my IP address then SET DISPLAY so that I can then run GUIiJ programs on the PC. I can put these commands in my login.com easily enoughE but as my IP address is dynamic I still have to manually redirect the0< display. Fixed IP address for the laptop is not an option :(  L I don't know enough about DCL to be able to achieve this myself, although myH efforts so far have proved fruitless. Any help welcomed and appreciated!     Cheers   Andy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:37:53 +0100k9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>K( Subject: Re: Dynamic IP address question' Message-ID: <3C8F5631.69E465CE@aaa.com>A  ) Isn't this what name servers should fix ?A  / That is, the DHCP server on your network shouldT4 update your name server(s) whenever it assignes your2 laptop a different IP address (then it had before)B And then SET DISPLAY to your host name instead of your IP address.  C Or, ask for a looong "lease time" for your MAC address, so the DHCP A server never will put your IP address back into the free pool (ors whatever it's called).   Jan-Erik Sderholm.o       Andy Proctor wrote:o >  > All, > K > If this is in the FAQ please accept my apologies now, I couldn't find it.. > I > I connect to a number of VMS servers (from version 6.2 thru 7.3) from a M > laptop with a dynamically assigned IP address. The address is assigned whenwF > I log onto our site NT4 network by DHCP. How can I on my vms systemsN > interrogate the IP address automatically and then use this value to redirectM > the display to that IP address, again automatically. Ideally this can be inK- > login.com but a DCL script would be OK too.j > K > Currently I use Reflections X to telnet onto the VMS box, then issue a SHIG > TERM to get my IP address then SET DISPLAY so that I can then run GUI.L > programs on the PC. I can put these commands in my login.com easily enoughG > but as my IP address is dynamic I still have to manually redirect the > > display. Fixed IP address for the laptop is not an option :( > N > I don't know enough about DCL to be able to achieve this myself, although myJ > efforts so far have proved fruitless. Any help welcomed and appreciated! >  > Cheers >  > Andy   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:49:53 GMTO From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG ( Subject: Re: Dynamic IP address question0 Message-ID: <00A0ADFC.E2FE0E67@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <1016021942.279039@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>, "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> writes:u >All,u >lJ >If this is in the FAQ please accept my apologies now, I couldn't find it. > H >I connect to a number of VMS servers (from version 6.2 thru 7.3) from aL >laptop with a dynamically assigned IP address. The address is assigned whenE >I log onto our site NT4 network by DHCP. How can I on my vms systems0M >interrogate the IP address automatically and then use this value to redirectML >the display to that IP address, again automatically. Ideally this can be in, >login.com but a DCL script would be OK too. > J >Currently I use Reflections X to telnet onto the VMS box, then issue a SHF >TERM to get my IP address then SET DISPLAY so that I can then run GUIK >programs on the PC. I can put these commands in my login.com easily enoughNF >but as my IP address is dynamic I still have to manually redirect the= >display. Fixed IP address for the laptop is not an option :(  >oM >I don't know enough about DCL to be able to achieve this myself, although my I >efforts so far have proved fruitless. Any help welcomed and appreciated!o >  >m >Cheers  >  >Andyb >) >e  J The following has worked for me for years when I connect to the DECUServe/> Ecompasserve machine to launch a DECterm back on my machine.    Q $ SET DISPLAY/CRE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE="''F$getdvi("SYS$OUTPUT","TT_ACCPORNAM")'"M8 $ SET PROTECTION=(S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W)/DEVICE DECW$DISPLAYF $ CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACH/WINDOW_ATTRIBUTES=(TITLE="Eisner.DECUS.org",->                                         ICON_NAME="DECUServe")  K By virtue of simply TELNETting in, you should get a DECterm display createdmL on your server -- provided, of course, that you TELNET from the machine run- ning your X server.V  K These can be placed in a LOGIN.COM file.  The use of the "TT_ACCPORNAM" can K vary from IP stack to IP stack.  You may need to capture the TT_ACCPORNAM's J translation in a DCL symbol and edit it to work for you depending upon the1 IP stack on the VMS machine you're connecting to.i   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbess   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:40:43 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon).( Subject: Re: Dynamic IP address question, Message-ID: <a6nodb$16nb$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ' In article <3C8F5631.69E465CE@aaa.com>,V<  Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:, |> Isn't this what name servers should fix ?   No.-   |> p2 |> That is, the DHCP server on your network should7 |> update your name server(s) whenever it assignes yourp5 |> laptop a different IP address (then it had before)p  ? Many places consider the security risks of DDNS to far outweighh> the advantages of having names that map to constantly changing
 addresses.  E |> And then SET DISPLAY to your host name instead of your IP address.  |>  F |> Or, ask for a looong "lease time" for your MAC address, so the DHCPD |> server never will put your IP address back into the free pool (or |> whatever it's called).l  ; Which has problems in itself, like defeating the purpose ofg< running DHCP in the first place.  Might as well assign fixed> addresses.  If DHCP is used so that the clients can roam, then< the solution works, but if DHCP is used primarily because ofC the potential for there to be more possible clients than addresses, " well, I think you get the picture.  < Seems to me that it should be trivial for this to be done in? someone's login.com, thus negating the need to reduce security.    bill   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:10:30 GMTr+ From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com>r( Subject: Re: Dynamic IP address question5 Message-ID: <1016028619.278432@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>   3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3C8F5631.69E465CE@aaa.com... + > Isn't this what name servers should fix ?e >81 > That is, the DHCP server on your network shouldi6 > update your name server(s) whenever it assignes your4 > laptop a different IP address (then it had before)D > And then SET DISPLAY to your host name instead of your IP address. > E > Or, ask for a looong "lease time" for your MAC address, so the DHCPMC > server never will put your IP address back into the free pool (or  > whatever it's called). >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.M >A >R  I Thanks Jan but our network is pretty simple, and there are 2 subnets ONLY J crossed by people such as myself using a PC to talk to a VMS unit. We dontI have an internal name server that's why I'm looking at doing it via a DCLe proc     Cheers   Andy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:50:45 +0100o9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>a( Subject: Re: Dynamic IP address question' Message-ID: <3C8F6745.A984EB5E@aaa.com>    This could perhaps work :o  A $ write sys$output f$getdvi("''f$trnlnm(""TT"")'","TT_ACCPORNAM")o" Host: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx   Port: nnnn $    Jan-Erik Sderholm   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Mar 2002 00:54:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: filename size0 Message-ID: <87zo1cv26r.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ; "Pierre-Luc Morin" <Pierre-Luc.Morin@CSE-CST.GC.CA> writes:s  @ > it looks like OpenVms is not able to get filename more than 39A > chars... does anyone knows why 39? and if it is possible to getu4 > filename bigger than 39?  In the affirmative, how?  > Why? As a sop to the Tops-20 people who had just had their new1 processor canned and the whole 36-bit line EOLed.	  @ Tops-20 had 39+39 file names. (We are still waiting for CMND and EXEC...)   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.M@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 02:48:49 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)UF Subject: Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0203130248.1a91391e@posting.google.com>i  \ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C1C9DC.4EB7EFF0@sulfer.icius.com>...  D > angle grinder to an Alpha, or tried building them from parts in PCJ > cases, etc Advice on good donor machines to hunt down would be good too.G > I'm looking for >100mhz CPU, preferably ATX format motherboards, etc.   ; What comes to mind is to find an old 286 or 386 "luggable".-; Some of these things came with standard AT power supply andR= AT motherboard. In this case (pun intended) you could installn: an Alpha PCI 64-275 (AT style) motherboard. You would need< to provide a decent replacement for the 9 inch screen and an> ATX power supply for the required 3.3V, but that should not be* too hard. CRT from a pre-LCD ATM machine?.  = For the power on/off aspect of these motherboards I have donei@ two things: (1) A 7474 chip to latch the pulse from the standard< ATX case on/off switch (2) Simply replace the switch with an> AT style high voltage switch and wire back to the mains input.> This i've done on the machine I type this on as I have a power= board on the power supply aux. connector for Monitor/printer.   @ You "sort of" have me interested in the luggable idea given the  _LACK OF_ OpenVMS laptops.  - Anyway for more info on ATX Alphas check out:   ; http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/alpha-techdoc-lib.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:33:11 +0100-+ From: "David Otten" <David.otten@gtech.com>:F Subject: Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?) Message-ID: <a6nddp$qj22@news1.gtech.com>    How about getting a Multia?4        6 "Patrick Young" <P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU> wrote in message7 news:55f85d77.0203130248.1a91391e@posting.google.com...y1 > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message , news:<01C1C9DC.4EB7EFF0@sulfer.icius.com>... >nF > > angle grinder to an Alpha, or tried building them from parts in PCL > > cases, etc Advice on good donor machines to hunt down would be good too.I > > I'm looking for >100mhz CPU, preferably ATX format motherboards, etc.f >d= > What comes to mind is to find an old 286 or 386 "luggable". = > Some of these things came with standard AT power supply anda? > AT motherboard. In this case (pun intended) you could installi< > an Alpha PCI 64-275 (AT style) motherboard. You would need> > to provide a decent replacement for the 9 inch screen and an@ > ATX power supply for the required 3.3V, but that should not be, > too hard. CRT from a pre-LCD ATM machine?. >t? > For the power on/off aspect of these motherboards I have done B > two things: (1) A 7474 chip to latch the pulse from the standard> > ATX case on/off switch (2) Simply replace the switch with an@ > AT style high voltage switch and wire back to the mains input.@ > This i've done on the machine I type this on as I have a power? > board on the power supply aux. connector for Monitor/printer.  >mA > You "sort of" have me interested in the luggable idea given the  > _LACK OF_ OpenVMS laptops. >f/ > Anyway for more info on ATX Alphas check out:  >n= > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/alpha-techdoc-lib.html-   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 05:58:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)cF Subject: Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?3 Message-ID: <3CRI7CIfYbAG@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  W In article <a6nddp$qj22@news1.gtech.com>, "David Otten" <David.otten@gtech.com> writes:w > How about getting a Multia?n  A He mentioned his employer, and there is no commercial license forh> running VMS on a Multia.  VMS on Multia is only for hobbyists.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 07:46:16 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)aF Subject: Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?3 Message-ID: <3UigFTUiXvAu@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  W In article <01C1C9DC.4EB7EFF0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:mC > My employer wants a small, easily carted-around Alpha for demos.    G    Does it really have to be an Alpha?  Would a Charon-VAX on a Pentium     laptop do instead?0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:12:51 -0500D0 From: "Rob L Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com>F Subject: Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?+ Message-ID: <a6nq8o$dq8$1@bob.news.rcn.net>    ----- Original Message ------ From: Bob Koehler <koehler@encompasserve.org>  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ' Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:46 AMoF Subject: Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?  Y > In article <01C1C9DC.4EB7EFF0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:fD > > My employer wants a small, easily carted-around Alpha for demos. >hI >    Does it really have to be an Alpha?  Would a Charon-VAX on a Pentiumt >    laptop do instead?m  E I've got VMS running under Charon-VAX on my 500Mhz laptop, if someonetO wants to know that it works.  Coupled with a wireless Ethernet PCMCIA, it makess the ultimate handheld :-)i  	 Rob Lyonsi Systems Consultant& High Availability Systems & Charon-VAX   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:41:32 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> / Subject: Re: Marcello et al. - visit this forumo, Message-ID: <3C8F02AB.CDFCBBFB@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:G > My point was that Capellas has shown absolutely zero interest in suchiN > interaction - as more than adequately evidenced when *we* went to *him* withA > a with exactly such input and got brushed off back to Marcello.i  K And his reward for such an attitude is a stock price that has halved and an J aimless company whose sole goal in life remains to be eaten up by another.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:08:23 -050021 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>a/ Subject: Re: Marcello et al. - visit this forum 2 Message-ID: <3C8F9597.EB23D0EC@firstdbasource.com>   JF Mezei wrote:u > M > And his reward for such an attitude is a stock price that has halved and ansL > aimless company whose sole goal in life remains to be eaten up by another.  G sounds like another company we knew and loved a few years ago after thesA CEO (who will remain nameless) started hinting  (by selling majorn! pieces) that was his stated goal.o   -- a Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.coml Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)- 704-236-4377 (Mobile)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:47:36 GMT:% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@insightbb.com>D4 Subject: Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads8 Message-ID: <ik0v8ukjk6qupv4e7jnum4ma921i0llk70@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:20:31 -0500, "Brian Tillman"e, <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote:  B >> What would you have us do here -- what additional steps can we C >>  provide here that we could afford to provide and that we could s? >>  profit (indirectly, obviously) from -- that is not already e >>  available? >i< >Put your computers back in schools the way they used to be.   Ah, okay.  A shotgun wedding.i  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)E   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:47:58 -0500a+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>l3 Subject: Mimer SQL for OpenVMS Itanium AnnouncementiT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4016CEBB5@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   All -t  
 As a fyi -- http://www.mimer.com/news/engnews_mar02_2.htm   B "Compaq's OpenVMS Systems Software Group has signed a co-operationF agreement with Upright Database Technology for the database managementB system Mimer SQL. The agreement entails that Upright guarantees toE continue developing Mimer SQL for OpenVMS. The next development phased/ includes development for the Itanium platform."a  * [snip - see url for rest of press release]   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Compaq Canada Corp.y Professional Servicese Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:32:23 +0100s4 From: "Aleksander Koodziejczyk" <ako@simple.com.pl>$ Subject: My VMS to a halt sometimes.- Message-ID: <a6n6c8$uor$1@news2.ipartners.pl>r  < OVMS 6.2-1H3. From 3 weeks my OVMS sometimes halt. If nobodyF work on the system then VMS not halt, but if somebody work then systemK sometimes halt. VMS halt irregular, can work 1 hour, 5 hour, etc. and halt.r  $ On VMS console I can see only this :  
 HALT CODE = 7s Machine check while in PAL mode  PC=d49cw  L I reinstall VMS and choosed INITIALIZE mode, but it helps little (before VMSI halted every one when I type from DCL "edit" command). My VMS system dumpt file is empty.  / It can be any hardware failure (disk, memory) ?i   Regards, Aleksander Kolodziejczyk   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:32:12 -0500t2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: My VMS to a halt sometimes.J Message-ID: <rdeininger-1303020832120001@1cust64.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  H In article <a6n6c8$uor$1@news2.ipartners.pl>, "Aleksander Koodziejczyk" <ako@simple.com.pl> wrote:  = >OVMS 6.2-1H3. From 3 weeks my OVMS sometimes halt. If nobodyeG >work on the system then VMS not halt, but if somebody work then system L >sometimes halt. VMS halt irregular, can work 1 hour, 5 hour, etc. and halt. > % >On VMS console I can see only this :- >  >HALT CODE = 7  >Machine check while in PAL mode >PC=d49c  G Machine checks are typically caused by hardware problems.  (They can be.J caused by buggy code or PALcode, but you didn't change and software beforeE this started, right?)  6.2-1H3 was a long time ago.  I don't remember A which error-reporting tool was current back then.  I think it wasi@ ANALYZE/ERROR, but there's a chance it was DECevent.  Read up onG Analyze/error, and use it to translate the error log entries around thesF time of the crash.  If it complains, you might have to install and use DECevent instead.   I The error logs should have detailed information about the machine checks.M  M >I reinstall VMS and choosed INITIALIZE mode, but it helps little (before VMSlJ >halted every one when I type from DCL "edit" command). My VMS system dump >file is empty.   H You might need to consult the docs and adjust your configuration so thatH you get dumps when the system crashes.  In some cases, error log buffersG are stored temporarily in the dump file, and are transfered to the realv$ error log file during the next boot.  0 >It can be any hardware failure (disk, memory) ?  G Typically something in the memory or I/O path, or in the CPU itself.  IhH would not expect most disk problems to generate machine checks, but most5 anything is possible where sick hardware is involved.   G It would help to know exactly what type of system we're talking about. mC Since you mentioned PAL mode, it must be an alpha.  Can you be moreI	 specific.R   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 00:20:38 -0800, From: tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS jobs available - FYIB= Message-ID: <f9dc0a5a.0203130020.1f69d9af@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3C898E1C.DC2DF3E4@fsi.net>... > John Smith wrote:  > >  > > www.directemployers.com P > > This site is a co-op that takes you directly to the employer's own web site. > G > Thanks for that, John! Found something for myself (maybe) that as yetPI > hasn't even hit HeadHunter.Net. Not on the major job boards yet, eithers% > (Monster, ComputerJobs, Dice, ...).d  D I am just interested to know what does the pay of OpenVMS developers) compare to Unix or Windows NT developers?A  
 Thank you.   Tony Cheungo   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 06:01:28 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: OpenVMS jobs available - FYIn3 Message-ID: <8pwgSL$eyHCq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <f9dc0a5a.0203130020.1f69d9af@posting.google.com>, tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung) writes:b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3C898E1C.DC2DF3E4@fsi.net>... >> John Smith wrote: >> > r >> > www.directemployers.comQ >> > This site is a co-op that takes you directly to the employer's own web site.s >>  H >> Thanks for that, John! Found something for myself (maybe) that as yetJ >> hasn't even hit HeadHunter.Net. Not on the major job boards yet, either& >> (Monster, ComputerJobs, Dice, ...). > F > I am just interested to know what does the pay of OpenVMS developers+ > compare to Unix or Windows NT developers?y  7 For equal skills and equal projects it should be equal.k  ? It is not possible to find equal skills and equal projects evenr! within the same operating system.b  4 Location and thus cost-of-living also matters a lot.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2002 13:55:57 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)f. Subject: Re: PC monitor attached to RGB output, Message-ID: <a6nlpd$1537$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ' In article <3C8ECF2C.90E01F8A@fsi.net>,o4  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: |> Tom Linden wrote: |> > eC |> > OK, I found the part number (used emacs on the downloaded FAQ)e |> > Thankse |>  J |> Please post the results of your efforts. I'd actually like that myself,G |> as well as the reverse: use 3-BNC, Sync. on green monitors with SVGAiH |> cards (yes, I know there are resolution issues - I already smoked one3 |> monitor trying get a better display from Linux).   F I've got one of those at home.  If I don't see an answer posted before; I get there I will post the cable number off the connector.o   bill   -- mJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   8   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:13:29 -0800r# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a. Subject: RE: PC monitor attached to RGB output9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEHMEFAA.tom@kednos.com>I  
 From the FAQ:   K Software Integrators sells a video adapter card called Gemini P1 which willnI drive many of the older Compaq (DIGITAL-logo) fixed-frequency monitors on  a PC system:     http://www.si87.com/    J The Digital part number 29-32540-01 converts the output from the RGB cableJ (3 BNC, synch-on-green) that comes with the VAXstation 3100 and VAXstation) 4000 series to a female SVGA D connector.   ? This will allow PC Multisync monitors with the needed frequency-C specifications to be used with the VAXstations.  It may work with a > VAXstation 2000 series, but I have not tried that combination.<                                           [John E. Malmberg]   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu]) > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:56 AM. > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr0 > Subject: Re: PC monitor attached to RGB output >e >4) > In article <3C8ECF2C.90E01F8A@fsi.net>,o6 >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > |> Tom Linden wrote: > |> >E > |> > OK, I found the part number (used emacs on the downloaded FAQ) 
 > |> > Thankst > |>L > |> Please post the results of your efforts. I'd actually like that myself,I > |> as well as the reverse: use 3-BNC, Sync. on green monitors with SVGAnJ > |> cards (yes, I know there are resolution issues - I already smoked one5 > |> monitor trying get a better display from Linux).e >LH > I've got one of those at home.  If I don't see an answer posted before= > I get there I will post the cable number off the connector.1 >e > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:40:19 +0000w( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>. Subject: Re: PC monitor attached to RGB output) Message-ID: <3C8F64D3.3F9F0509@127.0.0.1>9   Tom Linden wrote:c > ; > I wasn't planning on buying another monitor, just a cable1  F That may be, but if whatever you're planning to replace the VRT19 withE hasn't got this feature, it won't work, I wanted to try to avoid yourhG frustration. You can get boxes that generate this sync signal, but theye! cost almost as much as a monitor.   G Another issue you may run into is that power saving monitors often needh H and/or V to 'switch on'.  ) > > Do go for a "synch on green' monitor.i   -- (( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comm   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Mar 2002 00:50:35 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>. Subject: Re: PC monitor attached to RGB output0 Message-ID: <874rjkwgx0.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:  F > The Digital part number 29-32540-01 converts the output from the RGBC > cable (3 BNC, synch-on-green) that comes with the VAXstation 3100 : > and VAXstation 4000 series to a female SVGA D connector.  D That will be with a DB15 to a DC15-VGA? What about 4000s with a 3W3?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:35:16 +0000 (UTC)y4 From: lewis@spamforspyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)$ Subject: Re: Re: Sound on alpha/VMS?. Message-ID: <a6no34$9fo$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   lewis@spamforspyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes in article <a6m847$85u$1@newslocal.mitre.org> dated Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:56:39 +0000 (UTC): >gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes in article <a6kfs0$ks3$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> dated 12 Mar 2002 08:56:32 GMT:C2 >>Add a statement like the following to your file: >>   flags = ISA_ON_EISA" >>after "adapter" and before "id".
 >>Then try >>   MCR SYSMANa >>   IO REBUILD  >>   IO AUTO/SEL=(AU*,VI*)	 >>   EXIT6 > J >OMG I can't believe that worked.  I'm playing MP3 files now, and I didn't, >even have to reboot.  Thank you, Christoph! >dK >Curiousity -- does anybody know why MPG123 requires SYSNAM?  MMOV$DECSOUND  >doesn't...o  H My bad.  MMOV$DECSOUND is installed with the SYSNAM priv.  Still curious why.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orga> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 07:29:32 -0800" From: arjunram@hotmail.com (Arjun)@ Subject: Transferring files from one OpenVMS machine to another.= Message-ID: <32efb603.0203130729.7f0ae1f7@posting.google.com>n   A VMS newbie here.  D We have a bunch of files including .bck files. We need to ship these@ to our customers. I created a zip file and then ftp'ed it to theB customer machine (Windows NT) using binary mode. The customer thenF ftp'ed the files in binary mode to VMS. He is able to unzip the files.C But when he tries to restore the .bck files, he runs into problems.-   this is what he gets   $ set def sys$sysdevice:[test] $ dirm   Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[test]   .;2                 .;1y   Total of 2 files.A    ! Any help on this would be great!!-	 Arjun RamI   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:32:14 -0800># From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>mD Subject: RE: Transferring files from one OpenVMS machine to another.9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEHNEFAA.tom@kednos.com>a   From the freewarei  & $! RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_ATTRIBUTES.COM $!1 $! P1  is the specification of the BACKUP savesetr $!5 $! This procedure resets the record format and recordI4 $! length attributes of a BACKUP saveset -- savesets0 $! can get "broken" during certain sorts of file6 $! transfers -- such as FTP.  This procedure reads the4 $! (undocumented) saveset record attributes directly $! out of the target file. $!4 $! First render the saveset readable, and implicitly $! check that the file exists. $! $ Set File -<     /Attributes=(RFM:FIX,MRS:512,LRL=512,ORG=SEQ,RAT=NONE) -     'p1' $a( $ Open/Error=whoops/Read BckSaveset 'p1'0 $ Read/Error=whoops/End=whoops BckSaveset Record $ Close/Nolog BckSaveset $n/ $! Find the blocksize from within the record...@ $. $ BlockSize = 0  $ BBH_L_BLOCKSIZE = %x28*81 $ BlockSize = F$CVUI(BBH_L_BLOCKSIZE, 32, Record)e2 $ If BlockSize .lt. 2048 .or. BlockSize .gt. 65535 $ Then, $   Write sys$output "Unexpected block size" $   Goto whoops  $ Else4 $   Set File /Attributes=(RFM:FIX,LRL='BlockSize', -"        MRS='BlockSize',RAT=none) -        'p1'  $ endife $ exit $WHOOPS: $ Write sys$output "Error" $ exit   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: Arjun [mailto:arjunram@hotmail.com]u) > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:30 AMS > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.CommB > Subject: Transferring files from one OpenVMS machine to another. >  >  > A VMS newbie here. > F > We have a bunch of files including .bck files. We need to ship theseB > to our customers. I created a zip file and then ftp'ed it to theD > customer machine (Windows NT) using binary mode. The customer thenH > ftp'ed the files in binary mode to VMS. He is able to unzip the files.E > But when he tries to restore the .bck files, he runs into problems.y >  > this is what he gets >   > $ set def sys$sysdevice:[test] > $ dire >   > Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[test] >  > ..;2                 .;1 >  > Total of 2 files.  >  > # > Any help on this would be great!!  > Arjun Rama >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:34:46 +0100n9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>.D Subject: Re: Transferring files from one OpenVMS machine to another.' Message-ID: <3C8F7196.3FF7B7A8@aaa.com>s  9 Make sure you use the "-V" switch when ZIP'ing so the VMSo file attributes are preserved.  ; Also check with -v and -t that all is OK with the ZIP file.a   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Arjun wrote: >  > A VMS newbie here. > F > We have a bunch of files including .bck files. We need to ship theseB > to our customers. I created a zip file and then ftp'ed it to theD > customer machine (Windows NT) using binary mode. The customer thenH > ftp'ed the files in binary mode to VMS. He is able to unzip the files.E > But when he tries to restore the .bck files, he runs into problems.  >  > this is what he gets >   > $ set def sys$sysdevice:[test] > $ dir0 >   > Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[test] >  > .;2                 .;11 >  > Total of 2 files.  > # > Any help on this would be great!!u > Arjun Ramc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:23:59 +01009( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: VFC File Probleme) Message-ID: <3C8EFE8F.7080708@bluewin.ch>t   Barry in Indy wrote:  M > Using CONVERT/FDL... appears to lose all carriage control information. WithaK > the SET FILE/ATTR... the carriage control seems to have been converted to  > integers.t > J > I was hoping for a simple solution, since none of us here (University ofM > Indianapolis) is what might be called a VMS expert. All the same, thank youa
 > for trying.m >  >g  D What version of VMS are you running, and is it VAX or Alpha? I have I confirmed that TECO translates the VFC line feed codes into the relevant yI number of blank lines in the output file correctly - Alpha VMS V7.1 with e the Y2K ECO.     __
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandE   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:18:15 +0100r( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: VFC File Problemp) Message-ID: <3C8EFD37.3040302@bluewin.ch>U   J-L. RAYON wrote:o  N > No, the TECO editor KEEP  the <FF> and <LF> and translate them with the good > ASCII value.	 > Try it.e >  And you are correct, certainly for Alpha VMS V7.1. It wasn't always that way, as TECO was the first thing I tried (something like 10 years ago), so we need to know what version of VMS we are deqaling with, and whether VAX or Alpha.n     __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Mar 2002 01:05 CST-' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) A Subject: Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMSc- Message-ID: <13MAR200201051321@gerg.tamu.edu>e  ( tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk writes...O }Sorry, David, NAS has been around for longer than that, maybe the turbochanneltL }alphas didn't have it (can't remember) but all alphas with PCI buses that IL }can recall having anything to do with came with NAS of some sort. Enough to# }run IP and DECNET end node anyway.a  }Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk    J Our DEC 3000m600 systems (turbochannel, bought in 1994) came with NAS-250.L This high-end "client" license covered quite a bit. According to the utility that tells you these things:  = The NET-APP-SUP-250 license enables the following components:d  Q           ACAS-RT                     DEC ACA Services for OpenVMS Runtime Option L           DCPS-PLUS                   DECprint Supervisor for OpenVMS - PlusK           DECPS-DC                    POLYCENTER Performance Data Collector.K           DMQ-RTO                     DECmessageQ for OpenVMS Run-Time OnlynE           DQS                         DEC Distributed Queuing Service C           DVNETEND                    DECnet for OpenVMS End SystemS6           DW-MOTIF                    DECwindows Motif<           DW-MOTIF-UI-CESKY           DECwindows Motif/Cesky>           DW-MOTIF-UI-DEUTSCH         DECwindows Motif/Deutsch>           DW-MOTIF-UI-ESPANOL         DECwindows Motif/Espanol?           DW-MOTIF-UI-FRANCAIS        DECwindows Motif/Francaiss?           DW-MOTIF-UI-ITALIANO        DECwindows Motif/Italianoe=           DW-MOTIF-UI-MAGYAR          DECwindows Motif/Magyarn=           DW-MOTIF-UI-POLSKI          DECwindows Motif/Polski >           DW-MOTIF-UI-RUSSKIJ         DECwindows Motif/Russkij@           DW-MOTIF-UI-SLOVENSKY       DECwindows Motif/Slovensky>           DW-MOTIF-UI-SVENSKA         DECwindows Motif/Svenska>           FORMS-RT                    DECforms Run-time System;           OBB-RT                      ObjectBroker Run TimehI           RDB-RUNTIME                 DEC Rdb for OpenVMS Run-Time Option @           RDB-SERVER                  DEC Rdb for OpenVMS ServerO           RSM-CLIENT                  POLYCENTER Software Distribution (client)dE           UCX                         DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMSe9           VMSCLUSTER                  VMScluster Softwarey  H Note that this included the RDB-SERVER license, as well as the otherwise$ rather expensive VMSCLUSTER license.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 05:55:33 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)kA Subject: Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMSe3 Message-ID: <IZ6nl9fNxXM9@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  [ In article <3C8EC6A0.D6BE73AE@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  ^ >> In article <3C8D7A18.25D755BD@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> sK >> > You buy VMS, you get VMS. Want networking? Sorry, that's extra (or was-K >> > up until recently). Want file/print sharing for PCs? That almost costs I >> > more than VMS (Advanced Server). Want a GUI? That was extra, too, up. >> > until recently. >>  D >> What is this "until recently" business ?  Has something changed ? >> eB >> So far as I know, DECwindows and networking protocols are still$ >> not bundled into the VMS license. > A > Hhmmm... Don't have the doc.'s from the LP SPL handy. I thought B > DecW/Motif was included in one or more of the NAS licenses since1 > recently (within the last five to eight years).o  A But before that it was in a package with a different acronym, andy3 before that it was just bundled with most machines.3  F > Major Hint - Marketing Opportunity missed: even without ads or otherD > fanfare, if you could get even one of the major the computer storeE > chains to carry OpenVMS and the LP SPL off-the-shelf, at least thatpJ > would be more exposure than it currently gets. It doesn't cost a fortuneJ > either, just the current packaging costs, times a few ten-thousands moreH > units, plus expenses to have sales critters schmooze(sp?) the big wigsJ > from the store chains to get them to carry it, a couple of units of each > per store.  B No, you actually have to pay for shelf space, just like in grocery? stores.  There would be no short-term return to judge it by andrD it would end up like Posix, a program abandoned due to lack of proof3 that the ongoing expense was producing any results.e  C How many people here would trust their local computer store to haves the latest version of VMS C++ ?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:38:13 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)5 Subject: Re: Why not we guys buy OpenVMS from Compaq?-K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1303020138140001@1cust246.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>f  9 In article <20020312201020.21399.00001601@mb-mq.aol.com>, ( dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.) wrote:    K >Good SMP performance is important.  But SMP is useless unless you have the<K >hardware.  The GS140, before retirement, supported up to 14 CPUs in an SMPdC >environment.  The SMP limit on today's hardware is down to 4 CPUs.>  I G80 supports 8 CPUs.  GS160 supports up to 16.  GS320 supports up to 32. ,H The last I checked, these are still all offered for sale.  GS140 was (atF least) a generation older, so it's not surprising that it was retired.    P >There are large VMS legacy applications that need more than 4 CPUs to run well.J > Management is in no mood to spend money modifying legacy applications toM >support NUMA.  Since these applications run poorly without modification on amG >NUMA unit, the GS units are just not bought.  Instead we do horizontaln; >expansion across smaller units which really need more CPU.n  I The current GS systems can be used as straight SMP boxes, with the caveat-F that the "S" is not to be taken literally.  How well you scale to highF processor count depends (a lot) on your application.  VMS Galaxy givesI more flexibility, letting you partition for performance if your apps need G it, while still pushing resources around when you need to.  And VMS hasGG been reworked in places to cope better with the NUMA-ness of the big GS-G boxes, even without galaxy partitions.  It hasn't made NUMA irrelevant,i but it reduces the impact.  I I think of the big GS-boxes as I/O engines as much as CPUs.  If you don'twJ need room for more adapters, the ES systems, especially the ES45, may giveE you more bang for the buck.  By truncating the design at 4P, a lot ofcI engineering work was avoided on these smaller systems.  The simplicity isA reflected in the cost.  G As I understand it, all the ES and GS systems are selling pretty well.  ; The smaller, cheaper ones sell a lot more copies, I expect.m  N >Management does not understand NUMA and is unwilling to spend dollars for theO >privilege of employing it.  They just want straight SMP for their large legacytB >applications so they can go back to safely forgetting about them.  E Well, many-processor SMP is hard to do well.  The GS systems were onetG attempt, with some unique approaches and problems.  They perform betterdG than their earlier relatives.  The EV7 systems will do far, far better,r( using new approaches and new technology.  N >The irony is NUMA was supposed to consolidate servers.  Instead, its breakingG >up applications that formerly ran well on one unit across many smallert >inefficient units.r3 > Where I once used 2 GS140s, I am up to 6 ES40s.  t  C 28 CPUs in two boxes replaced by 24 CPUs in 6 coxes?  I expect yours= workload has increased significantly as well.  Where are your C bottlenecks?  The ES40 is no slouch.  ES45 is much better, but moreoJ expensive. GS80 has more horsepower, and for many applications, NUMA isn't< very significant on this system.  Quite a few folks run GS80 unpartitioned, I think.l  J The GS systems are probably a bit overdue for a speedup, but that has more? to do with the recent alpha CPU development cylce than with the: architecture of the boxes.  pM >Personnally I salivate over the thought of VMS on an 8 way Proliant.  FutureaP >hardware may have better answers.  But its too late.  Here other options are inP >progress.  Short of an NDA how can one learn of future VMS hardware and sell itP >to management?  I can't go, management is no longer interested in attending and. >I can not find the web sites I am told exist.  H I haven't heard much good about the scaling of the Proliant systems.  8PF is considered a BIG Intel box, but it's just at the point where SMP isE starting to fall over for many applications.  Going beyond 8P usuallycB requires different approaches, or performance will suffer for manyF applications.  Folks in the intel world are just starting to seriously work on these issues, IMHO.d  H Where are you located?  You might try to find your local VMS ambassador,J and explain your needs.  I don't think you have to _go_ anywhere for NDA. D But you likely can't get far-future, detailed information.  Look forD solutions using current systems, and try to get some hints for stuff coming out soon.  J If you can specify what you are looking for, you should be able to get theF info you need from someone in VMS.  If you can't find people to answerE your questions, ask Sue Skonetski to put you in contact with someone.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 07:39:10 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c5 Subject: Re: Why not we guys buy OpenVMS from Compaq? 3 Message-ID: <aPFpSlpdNuGv@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  \ In article <3C8E5A85.527C9FA2@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  M > They can't kill Tandem. It runs the stock exchanges that keep HP alive as am" > corporation. It is a holy grail.  C    Tandem doesn't do anything for HP, yet.  In today's add HP lists =    all the great features of Tandem and VMS as reasons to buyhE    Compaq, but manages not to mention either by name.  So now you can !    turn the rumor mill some more.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:21:47 -0500e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>A5 Subject: Re: Why not we guys buy OpenVMS from Compaq?E2 Message-ID: <3mJj8.905$fL6.20935@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bill Todd wrote in message: <26yj8.207580$pN4.11988523@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... >t5 >"Doug W." <dashw459@aol.comeatspam> wrote in messageV4 >news:20020312201020.21399.00001601@mb-mq.aol.com... >t >... >hI >> Good SMP performance is important.  But SMP is useless unless you have$ the.I >> hardware.  The GS140, before retirement, supported up to 14 CPUs in an- SMP-E >> environment.  The SMP limit on today's hardware is down to 4 CPUs.m >>L >> There are large VMS legacy applications that need more than 4 CPUs to run >well.L >>  Management is in no mood to spend money modifying legacy applications toJ >> support NUMA.  Since these applications run poorly without modification on >a/ >> NUMA unit, the GS units are just not bought.i >oL >I hope someone in Spitbrook elects to address your statement above, since IJ >just don't find it credible.  In particular, something is very wrong if aK >GS160 can't give you at least the performance of a GS140 (if it can't, thehI >server team should be shot - which, given their apparent contribution to: the]@ >Alphacide might not be a bad idea anyway) - with no application modificationL >whatsoever (it would really surprise me if an existing application *had* toF >be modified to run in the new slightly-NUMA environment, and while itL >might - or might not - have to be modified to run *optimally* I suspect, asL >I said above, that it would not have to be modified to run at least as well >as it did on a GS140).  >   E SMP in general sucks, unless you have a workload that provides enough H threads of execution to keep all the CPUs busy, with enough independenceJ that they are not swamped in synchronization.  NUMA just makes this worse.I It is entirely possible that a customer using either a SMP or NUMA systemeK that will see a net decrease in performance by adding more CPU's regardless F of the underlying hardware.  Given 2 systems with roughly the same CPUJ speed, and memory and IO bandwidth/latency - pick the SMP system - it will
 hurt less.  J NUMA is just another stupid hardware trick to get more CPUs onto a system.I System software can make this less painful - but at high processor countsiH (and a non-MP workload) they all gravitate towards creating some form ofL multiple scheduling domains.  You can do it within a single system image andL call it an "application domain" or you can break the system up into multipleJ system images like Galaxy does.  On a more primitive level, you can assign0 specific things to specific processors manually.   >  Instead we do horizontalr= >> expansion across smaller units which really need more CPU.  >>L >> Management does not understand NUMA and is unwilling to spend dollars for >theJ >> privilege of employing it.  They just want straight SMP for their large >legacyeD >> applications so they can go back to safely forgetting about them. >>G >> The irony is NUMA was supposed to consolidate servers.  Instead, itse	 >breakingeI >> up applications that formerly ran well on one unit across many smallerd >> inefficient units. 3 >>  Where I once used 2 GS140s, I am up to 6 ES40s.  >iH >Leaving aside my comments above, it would not surprise me if a new GS45 withJ >the new high-end Alphas could offer performance close to that of a GS140: >have you checked? >Y  K Depends on what you want to do.  If your application doesn't need more than D 4 CPUs, and wants raw speed and IO bandwidth for a smaller number ofI devices - the ES45 kicks ass.  If you need a large aggregate IO bandwidthaF with lots of devices, and can effectively use more CPUs... then the GS series will be far better.  H Of course, if your workload doesn't require large CPU counts in the sameK box - then hanging lot's of ES40/ES45's together also works and is probablyeL better performing - with a larger footprint and probably a larger total costJ than fewer GSxxx systems.  It all depends on the workload and application.  G VMS learned the hard way that we couldn't ignore NUMA.  There have been L significant performance gains on Wildfire since it first shipped, related toF dealing with it's NUMA-ness.  It also spurred fixing other performanceB problems that were not unique to NUMA, but were exacerbated by it.   >>G >> Personnally I salivate over the thought of VMS on an 8 way Proliant.  >Future K >> hardware may have better answers.  But its too late.  Here other options; >are in J >> progress.  Short of an NDA how can one learn of future VMS hardware and >sell itD >> to management?  I can't go, management is no longer interested in >attending and0 >> I can not find the web sites I am told exist.  I Send mail to Sue Skonetski, and have her connect you with the nearest VMSn Ambassidor.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Mar 2002 00:24:02 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>I Subject: Re: [OT]  NY Times Op-Ed misses point about unreliablity of PC'sg0 Message-ID: <87d6y8wi59.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ; Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:t  1 > > > What about creating a VMS-like OS for PC's?   B > > Microsoft tried it. The result was Windows NT and its progeny.  f2 > Care to back this up?  What is "VMS-like" in NT?  * Ah, NT is in fact. VMS 3.4 -> MICA x>> NT.  1 "Spelling error for spelling error compatable..."   - In normal conversation, the word is 'stolen'.-   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.C@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Mar 2002 00:30:25 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>I Subject: Re: [OT]  NY Times Op-Ed misses point about unreliablity of PC'sM0 Message-ID: <878z8wwhum.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  $ GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> writes:  F > Uh-huh... CodeRed and Nimbda cost the industry around $2billion too.E > M$ knows diddly squat about security.  Besides NT 4 series has beenO@ > dead ended and dead.  Your new NT is 5.0 (win2k) and 5.1 (XP).F > They're not stable.  Compare the uptimes of VMS to NT and you'll seeE > what I mean.  I've heard all the stories of M$ blaming the sysadminiD > for not patching their servers for CodeRed, but their patch didn't > work anyway.  yE > You may think NT is capable of being secure but it isn't because M$N  > doesn't know what security is.  cF Please, there are people in the bowels of the borg who know more about security then most of us here.  D But, they are not allowed to fix many of the problems. First becauseC it will be 'more dificult' for the luzers, and second, it will mean E the luzers, and their credit card, will not be piled up on billy boys 3 tax^H^H^Hsupport line at a couple of hundred a pop.P     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:05:39 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>I Subject: Re: [OT] US/Europe living costs, was: Re: VMS sys admin salaries C Message-ID: <7TCj8.204386$7a1.18171581@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   J I was going to thank John for his well-written information, but responding to you will be more fun:  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageME news:rdeininger-1303020053480001@1cust246.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...-  L <but not a very good use of my time if I bothered to respond to most of yourK knee-jerk Libertarian rant, so I'll just cut to the chase at the end here:>t  K > If socialized medicine is a good idea, why not socialized food?  Housing? G > Cars?  Telephones?  Computers?  (See!  I'm on topic!)  What's specialB9 > about medicine that makes it exempt from market forces?   J Exactly the point.  What's special about medicine is that (unlike all yourK examples above) it's virtually impossible to budget for (unless you're Bill J Gates):  no average family can possibly tuck away enough cash to cover theC small but non-negligible probability of catastrophic medical bills.U  H Now, that in itself doesn't mandate socialized medicine, since insuranceI companies exist precisely to address that problem.  But medical insuranceeH coverage is even more open-ended than other kinds of insurance coverage,H because most other insurance covers property of approximately-known (andL finite, and non-life-threatening) value whereas medical coverage has no real limits on payout.s  K There are two consequences.  First, insurance carriers (whether separate oryF as embedded in HMOs) have a major incentive to control costs, and thatK control is often extremely uneven with respect to its effect on individualsiJ (often strongly correlated with their ability to stand up for themselves).@ This is manifestly unfair, and even with our tradition of ruggedL individualism and self-reliance we also have a tradition of protecting those  less able to protect themselves.  L And of course, it leaves many people uninsured.  *Some* of them really can'tJ afford insurance, but *all* of them (even those who could have afforded itJ but chose to spend their money elsewhere - which of course would not be anK available option for them in a socialized system where they paid taxes justoH like everyone else) create a major 'off the books' health-care burden onI society because, as you pointed out, they *do* receive at least some careyK anyway - but, unfortunately, care of the most expensive and least effectiveeH kind (often at the emergency room) rather than earlier proactive or even earlier preventive care.  K So U.S. health care costs have built in additional overheads due (at least)tJ to insurance company profits (not in themselves bad things, as long as theI carriers don't start to meddle in care delivery to try to maximize them -hJ but they do), care-giver advertising (again, not an intrinsic evil, but ifI the ideal is equal treatment for all - or even just all who can pay - oneiH wonders why advertising is so important), the high cost (and even higherK cost/effectiveness) of emergency care given to those without insurance, andtJ the social costs of those who forego care because they can't afford it (or insurance).o  L And it doesn't even keep government out of the health care biz, because evenF though not *everyone* is covered programs like Medicare/Medicaid coverL enough people for the government to be in up to its neck.  The argument thatI adding the rest of the uninsured population would increase tax-collectionsL costs is fatuous:  since the tax system exists anyway, the marginal costs of- collecting additional money is close to zero.3  G Expecting the 'free market' to deal with such problems is a simpleton's L dream:  the 'free market' solution is simply to give excellent care to thoseL who can afford it right down to no care at all for those who can't, which isH why countries that ensure adequate (not necessarily even equal) care forI everyone have a great deal more right to be called 'civilized' than those G which do not (civilization being in many ways the moderating force that0C makes *modified* free-market/law-of-the-jungle approaches effectivea! stimulants in advancing mankind).S     Why is governmentaI > control necessary for medicine, when the market works pretty well, withoI > intervention only in extreme cases, for other things? (And please don'toK > claim the U.S. medical system is even close to a free market.  It isn't.)o  J The problem is the 'only in extreme cases' part.  At the individual level,H at some point(s) in life *most* people experience an 'extreme case' of aD medical nature - and in a great deal of those cases a bit of earlierI preventive/diagnostic care could have prevented it from becoming extreme.tK It's sort of like letting the free market take care of the environment:  itcK works great until suddenly everything collapses, at which point it's reallytG too late to recover effectively, whereas with foresight - the kind thatsH individuals may seldom have but governments (and caregivers) should (andG can, though it can require leadership and education) - early action caneB avoid both the direct expense and the societal detriments of later catastrophe.  L The U.S. health care system is a mess to anyone who isn't willing to let theI bottom 10% - 50% of the population (even a lot of people *with* insurancemE often have problems with it) fend for themselves (which of course hasrK significant costs of its own, given the effects that an underclass tends tocH push back onto the society in which it's embedded).  And all most peopleL (and politicians) do about it is trot out their own philosophies rather thanI look at the real problems and try to come up with real solutions to them.oK The experimentation with alternatives in places like Oregon a few years agoPL was a major ray of hope, but I haven't heard much that's come out of it (nor; about any more such experiments, though there may be some).r  F I don't know, or care, whether the health care system should be mostlyK market-driven (with adequate controls to ensure coverage for all) or mostlyeJ socialized, as long as it delivers.  Right now it's not delivering, and inL some areas where more socialized approaches appear to be:  that doesn't makeL socialization necessarily the answer, but those who don't like the idea needH to come up with credible alternatives (and working examples).  I tend toL suspect that eventually the solution will turn out to be something like thatG for public education in this country (which isn't a shining exemplar oftI success either, but has always had - and historically has been successfuleF under - a major public presence):  universal basic facilities publicly> funded to a large degree but with significant private options.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 22:56:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>I Subject: Re: [OT] US/Europe living costs, was: Re: VMS sys admin salariesp0 Message-ID: <87henkwm6g.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e  C > When I was in the hospital 2 days prior to Fall '99 DECUS (kidney D > stone), a room and care (blood/urine tests, MRI, Iv saline and oneC > shot of morphine) for roughly 48 hours came to somewhere close to 
 > $6,000 U.S.b  iD > This past week, a blood draw and battery of blood tests (trying toA > track down a hormone imbalance) came to some $240 + $40 for the, > office visit.i  E Hum, I was in hospital for 24 days. 4 hrs OR, 10 days ICU, 14 days ont) ward. Total cost, $130 for the Ambulance.O  F A large number of people with no health care is a disaster in waiting.; The disease your taxes pay for, is the one you don't get...    -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.142 ************************----------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2002 07:39:10 -0600- From: koehler@encompasse ^    ^    ^    ^    ^    ^    ^    ^    ^    	^    
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