1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 147       Contents:! a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k ' Re: Adding Disks to a Alpha Server 2100   Re: analyse/system tool for unix  Re: analyse/system tool for unix* Re: Another big block votes against merger* Re: Another big block votes against merger* Re: Another big block votes against merger* Re: Another big block votes against merger Re: compaction ratio on a TZ89 Re: compaction ratio on a TZ892 Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ?2 Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ?2 Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ?2 Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ? Re: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser  Re: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser ( Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)' FW: What do you think about Compaq.com? G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux  Re: HSZ10 looking for info... 3 Info on AS 255 (Was :Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM) + Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads + Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads / New York Teachers Fund Against HP-Compaq Merger 0 Re: OT: AOL "whiners" for suing MS over Netscape ouch! 	 Re: ouch!  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Question for Andrew  Re: Question for Andrew # Re: Relax, it is just a merge . . .  Re: Resource block chains & Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC C& Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC C+ Storing one's own metadata in file header ? & Re: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?: Re: Use Logical name for both DEV: and [dir] in AUTHORIZE?8 Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMS8 Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMS9 Re: Walter Hewlett says HP board is really against merger 9 Re: Walter Hewlett says HP board is really against merger ' Re: What do you think about Compaq.com? ' Re: What do you think about Compaq.com? ' Re: What do you think about Compaq.com?  WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM  Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM  Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM  Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM  Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM  RE: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM  Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 15 Mar 2002 21:14:25 GMT- From: "Jim Strehlow" <jimSnoSpam@data911.com> * Subject: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k0 Message-ID: <a6to7h$ncb@dispatch.concentric.net>  4 We are having problems with an A/B switch between an/ Compaq OpenVMS Alpha and a Windows 2000 server. 3 The keyboard does not work under certain scenarios.   9 In a rack mounted unit is a Compaq OpenVMS Alpha computer  and a Windows 2000 server.? We have one Compaq Rack style keyboard (part number 158649-001) = with its rollerball pointing device connected to a KVM switch 7 (Belkin Omniview E series 2 port model number F1DB102P)   1 Independently we can boot the Windows 2000 server  and the keyboard+mouse works. & We can boot the OpenVMS Alpha computer and the keyboard+mouse works.   > With focus on the Windows 2000 server I remotely shut down the9 OpenVMS v7.3 Alpha computer (simulating some glitch where " the Alpha could crash and reboot).9 When I later switch the a/b switch to the Alpha computer,  the keyboard no longer works.    When I shutdown with no reboot% I just see the triple chevron prompt. 0 I can not type anything. The keyboard is "dead".F Of course I just manually power off the Alpha and it reboots just fine: since I now have the focus of the a/b switch on the Alpha.  < When I shutdown with reboot, Alpha OpenVMS reboots just fine4 except when I switch the a/b switch back to OpenVMS,; I can no longer type anything into the DECwindows username.   $ Has anyone constructed such systems,% run into similar a/b switch problems, / and found a particular hardware solution to it?    Any suggestions are welcome.  
 Thank you.   Jim Strehlow, JimS@data911.com www.data911.com  Data911 Systems  2021 Challenger Dr Alameda CA 94501-1038    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:31:02 -0500 * From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.nospam.com>0 Subject: Re: Adding Disks to a Alpha Server 21004 Message-ID: <3c926abc$0$35565$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>     Hi  7 I've been out to Mylex's Web Site and see nothing about 6  a Alpha Version of the COD diskette. Does anyone have the Alpha Version?                              Thanks                            Rob  - "Cor Mom" <cor.mom@momss.nl> wrote in message 7 news:774640de.0203142211.10321d54@posting.google.com...  > Rob, > C > I think you will have to run a special RAID Configuration console E > program (I cannot remember it's exact name) from the boot prompt. I E > recently did it on a AlphaServer DS10 with the console program on a > > floppy disk. It should have been delivered with your system. > 
 > Regards, > 	 > Cor Mom  > 7 > "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.nospam.com> wrote in message 0 news:<3c90d5c6$0$35567$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>... > > Hi > > 9 > >   I have a Alpha Server 2100 with 2 Raid controllers. 7 > >  Currently one is setup as RAID 5 and one is RAID 1 J > >   I'd like to add disks to the RAID 5 set , is there some magic needed to do 	 > > this?  > > * > >                                 Thanks* > >                                  Rob K   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2002 13:09:34 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)) Subject: Re: analyse/system tool for unix 3 Message-ID: <w7WFKN2rpo9q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <3C9178B9.60731B0A@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  > J > Yeah, I could really do with SDA> show proc/channel equivalent for Linux
 > right now.   >   " Does lsof give you what you need ?   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:16:40 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>) Subject: Re: analyse/system tool for unix 0 Message-ID: <3C92475D.8A563770@blueyonder.co.uk>   Simon Clubley wrote: > i > In article <3C9178B9.60731B0A@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  > > L > > Yeah, I could really do with SDA> show proc/channel equivalent for Linux > > right now. > >  > $ > Does lsof give you what you need ?   I guess so, thank you.   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:42:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 3 Subject: Re: Another big block votes against merger , Message-ID: <3C9278C9.62DE8301@videotron.ca>   Mark Hittinger wrote:  > M > The pro forces got a boost from Putnam deciding to vote "for" however today K > after the market closed the NY state teacher's retirement funds announced * > they would be voting against the merger.  1 A few minutes later, the following was published:       www.compaq.com           A   H-P Sees $900M-$1.4 Billion Integration Costs If Merger Closes       3/15/02 9:11am    U   WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- Hewlett-Packard Co. (HWP) said Friday it expects to record L   charges of $900 million to $1.4 billion for integration costs if it closes the merger with Compaq   Computer Corp. (CPQ).   L   Hewlett-Packard estimated that $800 million to $1.2 billion of the charges would represent cashY   expenditures, according to a filing Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission.   H   The charges, to be posted upon completion of the deal or in subsequent quarters, would be forN   severance and relocation costs, costs of vacating facilities, or other costs for exiting certain    operations, the filing said.  J   Hewlett-Packard said the estimates are preliminary and subject to change based on the:   finalization of its restructuring and integration plans.  J   Shareholders for Hewlett-Packard and Compaq are scheduled to vote on the $22.1 billion deal at    separate meetings next week.  >   (This story was originally published by Dow Jones Newswires)  .   Copyright (c) 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.     All Rights Reserv    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:14:09 GMT " From: bugs@pu.net (Mark Hittinger)3 Subject: Re: Another big block votes against merger C Message-ID: <Qmuk8.387229$Aw2.32634172@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   K The pro forces got a boost from Putnam deciding to vote "for" however today I after the market closed the NY state teacher's retirement funds announced N they would be voting against the merger.  Evidently they own 7m HWP shares and 7m CPQ shares.   Just a few more days!    Later    Mark Hittinger bugs@pu.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:04:50 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 3 Subject: Re: Another big block votes against merger + Message-ID: <3C928C22.D73004A8@caltech.edu>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Mark Hittinger wrote:  > B >   H-P Sees $900M-$1.4 Billion Integration Costs If Merger Closes >   M The lawyers were probably jumping up and down shouting "Liablity! Liability!" H and the balloonheads at the top finally realized that there really was a problem.P HP and Compaq made a huge noise about how much the merger would save but nowhereP do I recall seeing them mention how much it would cost.  Buried in an SEC filingN maybe, but certainly not to be found on those double page ads in the financialH sections of the major dailies.  Likely they are trying at this late dateJ (5 days before the final tally, after most of the shares have already been	 voted) to J provide legal cover against a shareholder lawsuit that could result if theK merger goes through and the bottom line takes a gigadollar hit which is not  offset  by the (supposed) cost savings.   I I wonder if the $100M that HP has spent so far advertising this merger is 
 considered an integration cost?   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:33:16 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Re: Another big block votes against merger 0 Message-ID: <M9yk8.5244$5Id.4640@news2.bloor.is>  4 "David Mathog" <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message% news:3C928C22.D73004A8@caltech.edu...  > K > I wonder if the $100M that HP has spent so far advertising this merger is  > considered > an integration cost? >   ? Nah. Carly'll call it Marketing costs, and Andersen will agree.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2002 05:52:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: compaction ratio on a TZ89 - Message-ID: <874rjh33ej.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   2 "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com> writes:  $ > You mean it's software compaction.  E It is hardware, IBM chips I think. The idea that software compression C is 'variable' and hardware compression is 'fixed' is totally wrong. E The compression ratio depends on the algorithm used, and the data you E feed it. *WARNING* a modest change in data can make a HUGE difference  to the compression ratio.   K > Then is there any way of knowing how much tape (% of length) is available  > after the current position?   G There are SCSI comands that get that info from the drive. Don't know if  anything uses it though.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2002 01:25:14 GMT+ From: "Joe Heimann" <heimann@ecs.umass.edu> ' Subject: Re: compaction ratio on a TZ89 , Message-ID: <a6u6tq$5f5$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  / Syltrem <syltremspammenot@videotron.com> wrote: $ > You mean it's software compaction.K > Then is there any way of knowing how much tape (% of length) is available  > after the current position?   I > With the older technology (rings) you could see. With the cassettes you 
 > don't know.   G No, it is hardware compaction.  The algorythm used just does not give a F specific compression ratio, and in fact, I do not know of any hardwareH compaction currently being used that does.  The fine print on all of theG DLT, DDS DAT and other drives I have looked at gives the 2:1 ratio as a F typical compression ratio.  The main advantage of hardware compressionH is that you don't have it running on the CPU, but in a dedicated circuit
 on the drive.   H Some older Exabyte drives used to have displays that would show how muchF capacity had been used, but I have not seen similar ones on any drives lately.    Joe Heimann    heimann@ecs.umass.edu    > --  	 > Syltrem K > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) @ > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  H > "David Otten" <David.otten@gtech.com> a crit dans le message de news:  > a6svv0$qle6@news1.gtech.com...? >> It depends very much on the type of files you're backing up.  >>4 >> Files with lots of repetition  = Good compression2 >> Loads of text files = normally good compression2 >> Files with little repetition = Bad compression.L >> Exes, Gifs, JPEGS, MPEGS, ZIPs (anything that's already been compressed - >> Bad.  >>9 >> Under a "nominal" 2:1 compression, 70Gb can be stored.  >> >> >> David >>, >> "Peter" <zouzou@zou.com> wrote in message1 >> news:9hnk8.3629$a04.18376@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... = >> > Does anyone know what the compaction ratio is on a TZ89? H >> > Is it hardware or software compaction (harware would be fixed ratio > where  >> > soft could vary)  >> >L >> > The tape is 35GB, but at the time I save more than 85GB on it and don't >> know K >> > if I'm close to getting a message in the middle of the night asking to  >> load B >> > a second tape... I want to take measures before this happens. >> > >> > Thanks  >> > >> > --  >> > >> > SyltremD >> > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en > franais) C >> > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  >> > >> > >> > >> >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:01:49 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ; Subject: Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ? ' Message-ID: <3C92532D.95F8A1D0@aaa.com>    lbohan@spamless..dbc.com wrote:  >  > % > I've seen the same behavior w/ DFU, 0 > and the explanation inre the free header count< > stopping at the INDEXF.SYS EOF mark seems to hit the mark. > ' > What I've done in thsse cases, is use 5 > Joe Meadow's FILE utility to reset the EFBLK/FFB on  > the indexf.sys in question.  >   " Isn't the same thing doable with :   $ help set file /end_of_file   SET    FILE     /END_OF_FILEH        Resets the end-of-file (EOF) mark to the highest block allocated.   ??  B Or is it something magical with the "/FIRST_FREE_BYTE=0 " option ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2002 12:51:41 -0800. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman); Subject: Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ? = Message-ID: <343f30ae.0203151251.5cb95381@posting.google.com>   s SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<343f30ae.0203150628.34f445be@posting.google.com>... b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3C9157BE.2FCD1BDA@fsi.net>...! > > "Kenneth H. Fairfield" wrote:  > > >  > > Sam wrote: > > >  > > > Hi Folks.  > > > K > > > On an Alpha 4100 with OpenVMS 7.2-1 with all pathes up-to-date I have 1 > > > initialized an ODS5 disk volume as follows:  > > > * > > > $ initialize    $1$dga131: disk131 - > > >         /system -  > > >         /structure=5 -& > > >         /maximum_files=2500000 -  > > >         /headers=5000000 -  > > >         /directories=256 - > > >         /cluster_size=3 -t > > >         /windows=40 -/ > > >         /nohighwater > > > $! > > > N > > > I have some 11 big files on the disk, and now I would like to use it for: > > > directory tree containing about 350.000 small files. > > 0 > > YYYYEEECCCCHHH!!! Well, be that as it may... > > N > > > But when I look at the DFU report of the disk, I'm surprised to see thatO > > > there is only a header count of 1010 and 934 free headers. Why is it so ?a > > K > > Well, based on my admittedly limited understanding and leaving open thekI > > possibility of a DFU bug, I'd the expect the reason to be that you'veeI > > freshly INITIALIZEd the volume. Thus, the highwater marks in both theiI > > INDEXF.SYS file header and in the INDEXF.SYS bitmap to be set a theiru > > newly INIT'd positions.h > > O > > > I would have expected at least 2 million free headers. Should I not trustu% > > > the numbers in the DFU report ?e [...]a > > > $ dfu report disk131 > > > 9 > > >      Disk and File Utilities for OpenVMS DFU V2.7-A  > > >      Freeware version 7 > > >      Copyright  2000 COMPAQ Computer CorporationP > > > 7 > > > %DFU-I-REPORT, Reporting on DISK131: ($1$DGA131:)  > > > N > > >       ***** Volume info for ODS5 volume DISK131: (from HOME block) *****2 > > >  Volume name                      :  DISK131) > > >  Volume owner                     : ) > > >  Volume set name                  : 2 > > >  Highwater mark. / Erase on del.  :  No / No, > > >  Cluster size                     :  32 > > >  Maximum # files                  :  2500000 []/ > > >  Header count                     :  1010 . > > >  First header VBN                 :  624. > > >  Free headers                     :  934  9 > > >       ***** File Statistics (from INDEXF.SYS) *****  [...]oL > > >     $1$DGA131:[000000]INDEXF.SYS;1 ( 1633/2500623 blocks; 4 fragments)  B Of course! It's the end of file mark, which is at 1633 blocks! So,D with the first header VBN at 624, and 1010 total headers, 1010 + 624C -1 = 1633. So blocks 624 thru 1633 are the headers! I realized thistC after receiving an e-mail from David J. Dachtera which pointed this B out, and if he posted it too, I will respond to his other stuff in3 that post when it becomes visible on my newsreader.O  A If I were the original poster, I'd definitely reduce my value foreC /HEADERS somewhat. I'd really hate to have millions of files on one. disk!-   [...].   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman tod gfigroup tod com-5 "Help me help you help me help you."  --Bob Pattersonr   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2002 14:36:20 -0800. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman); Subject: Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ?r= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0203151436.169ce4f0@posting.google.com>a  s SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<343f30ae.0203150628.34f445be@posting.google.com>...V   [...]c  H > Yes, /MAXIMUM_FILES determines the size of the Index file bit map. TheG > bit map contains a bit for each file header: 0 ==> header not in use; F > 1 ==> header in use. The size of this file is "fixed in stone" until$ > another INITIALIZE command is run.  D As pointed out by David J. Dachtera, I should have said "The size ofE this *bit map* is ""fixed in stone"" until another INITIALIZE command  is run."   Sorry for the goof.u   [...]e   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmant afeldman dod gfigroup dod comh5 "Help me help you help me help you."  --Bob Patterson    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:01:12 GMTs From: lbohan@spamless..dbc.com; Subject: Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ?k8 Message-ID: <drt49u46qhrs45u2c43ue8cdr8tt62rvku@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:01:49 +0100, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:  " >>lbohan@spamless..dbc.com wrote: & >> I've seen the same behavior w/ DFU,1 >> and the explanation inre the free header count,= >> stopping at the INDEXF.SYS EOF mark seems to hit the mark.  >>  ( >> What I've done in thsse cases, is use6 >> Joe Meadow's FILE utility to reset the EFBLK/FFB on >> the indexf.sys in question. >> s >n# >Isn't the same thing doable with :t >$ help set file /end_of_filea >SET >  FILEa >    /END_OF_FILECI >       Resets the end-of-file (EOF) mark to the highest block allocated.a >??rC >Or is it something magical with the "/FIRST_FREE_BYTE=0 " option ?. >Jan-Erik Sderholm.  % SET FILE would be been my 1st choice.-A and i did try variations on SET FILE initially,  but  w/ no luck:u  ( $ set file/end VDA21:[000000]INDEXF.SYS 8 %SET-E-READERR, error reading VDA21:[000000]INDEXF.SYS;1* -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict  A $  SET FILE /ATTRIBUTE=(EBK=42040,FFB=0) VDA21:[000000]INDEXF.SYSs8 %SET-E-READERR, error reading VDA21:[000000]INDEXF.SYS;1* -SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict  : the Joe Meadows FILE tool would do it w/o fussing, though.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2002 13:18:15 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)( Subject: Re: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser3 Message-ID: <Vo1vccRxuaYi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <87adtavobd.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:@8 > karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) writes: > E >> Dangerous idea. Anything magnetic in the vicinity of an MRI magnet E >> is likely to become a projectile heading toward the magnet. Peoplee >> have died this way. >   C > I've seen a photo of an oxy bottle floating in an MRI. Nervous is 5 > just not near the mark for the people who did it...- >   G Good natured comment: I wish people would stop talking about everythingdI that can go wrong in an MRI unit; I am due to have my first ever MRI scani in a few days... :-)   Simon.   -- cB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.k   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:33:47 GMTi From: dittman@dittman.neto( Subject: Re: DLT Degausser / Bulk Eraser2 Message-ID: <Lpwk8.278$S3.23@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>  C Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-earth.ufp> wrote:uI : Good natured comment: I wish people would stop talking about everything:K : that can go wrong in an MRI unit; I am due to have my first ever MRI scan: : in a few days... :-)  8 I had an MRI on my head a couple of months ago.  There's8 nothing to be worried about.  I fell asleep during mine. -- o Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netw= Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:54:30 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 1 Subject: Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)e+ Message-ID: <3C9289B6.95ADBE3F@caltech.edu>o   Steve Lionel wrote:t > , > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:11:11 GMT, ">>> ^P"( > <plj@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se> wrote: > >r. > >Will we be able to use #include <xxx.h>   ? > >: > ' > Wrong language.  In Fortran, you say:  >  >         include 'xxx.inc'd  : On VMS that worked but Sun's f77 compiler likes this form:   #include "xxx.inc"   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:55:21 -0800w0 From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com>0 Subject: FW: What do you think about Compaq.com?; Message-ID: <000001c1cc85$40717aa0$cc96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>o  > I thought maybe the GROUP would like to respond to this one !!9 Maybe a mention of their money making operating systems??t     -----Original Message-----& From: Webmaster@CompaqWorkingGroup.org) [mailto:Webmaster@CompaqWorkingGroup.org] $ Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:13 PM    5 Participate Now! Help shape the future of Compaq.com.cB Compaq is currently investigating ways to improve your online user. experience=97and wants to hear from you! 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All those that complete the survey will be 5 entered into a drawing to win a Compaq iPAQ computer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:13:54 +0000o& From: Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux8 Message-ID: <i3l49u4m1cggqn4g98ibk8jgmmngj1790f@4ax.com>  5 On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:11:00 -0500, "Fred Kleinsorge"p$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:    J >throats".  But in reality, people only swallow what they really want.  By  A Not true. I'm on the road and posting from a Windows laptop and I-C really wish I wasn't. I'd much prefer to be using a Tadpole runningHD Mozilla/CSWB for mail and news access. I don't have the spare 15,000D dollars to do so. Maybe, just maybe if IA64 takes off and ends up inE laptops five years down the line I'll be able to do that but I expecta6 Hammer laptops long before IA64 laptops appear if ever  L >the time Alpha came out, we were already in trouble because the VAX had runH >out of gas *years* before.  And that is where Sun will end up with it'sM >heart ripped out -- they will stick with Sparc like DEC stuck with VAX untillK >it's too late for them to crawl back out of the hole they dug... just like5 >DEC.e  C DEC promoted the Alpha as an NT box or for Unix at a push. The vast)D majority of VMS customers never had Alpha promoted to them as a fastF VMS system until it was far too late. In 1993 DEC sales called me backD to query my order for 4 DEC 3000-400 workstations running VMS saying surely I meant Unix    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:48:21 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>eP Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux, Message-ID: <3C926C1C.FB4EEECB@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:K > throats".  But in reality, people only swallow what they really want.  BytM > the time Alpha came out, we were already in trouble because the VAX had run. > out of gas *years* before.    N I disagree. When you look at what Intel was able to do with the 8086, I see noN reason why VAX couldn't have gotten many more speed bumps. But perhaps DigitalR would be in the same shoes as intel: a faster vax than the first generation alpha.  N The primary reason that VAX went down wasn't performance, it was price and allF those "proprietary" (in the worse sense of the word) tricks to preventG customers from maximising value of their hardware (can you say epoxy ina backpane ?).  F Just as Sun can dominate the market with a chip that isn't the world'sK fastest, DEC could have continued to dominate the market had it begun to benJ much more agressive with its vaxes, reducing their pricetags (purchase and: maintenace) to match the competitors in price-performance.  J Digital wanted to protect its high end revenus by preventing high end from using midrange etc.  n  J One example is the RD54 disk drive. Digital refused to reduce its price toM match its value. So to its end, they continued to price at at about CAD $9000 D for 154meg at a time where you could have 1 gig for $1000. Same withJ compilers. Digital refused to admit that Microsoft compilers competed withH DEC's, and that Unix vendors gave away C compilers as part of the OS andB charged roughly 10 times what the market value for a compiler was.  L Yes, the vax was slower in the early days of the DECline. But DEC could have compensated with lower prices.  K Heck, consider a vaxstation 3100 with decwindows and decwrite, mail etc. IntM the late 80s early 90s, that could have beat the pants off what Microsoft hado. at the time, had it been priced competitively.  N Digital's early failure was not the slow VAX, but failure to compete. The 8086M was slower than MACs, but somehow, Wintel was able to price itself to attract M folks.  Sun was slower than Alpha, but won because it was marketed and pricedfJ to compete. Alpha was prevented from competing in order to allow Digital's! nascent wintel division to grow. h  J Compaq/Digital had the great chip but failed miserably because of pricing,N failure to allow the chip to compete and marketing failure.  Meanwhile Sun was8 able to overcome its inferior chip and succeed big time.  M Logically, it becomes possible to succeed with the slow IA64, just as Sun wastG able to succeed with Sparc against Alpha.  But you have to ask yourselfaU whether a bloated HP will be able to overcome its IA64 liability against IBM's Power.d  M From all the DEC presentations I had about Alpha/IA64, it was made very clear L that the basic architectural decisions made for IA64 would handicap the chip
 for life.   L Yep,. Intel will have more money to throw at IA64 than Sun at Sparc.  But ifK you look at how much money (and time) was needed to get IA64 to its currentrM state, I have a feeling that Intel will have to throw a lot more money tryingaG to improve IA64, whereas a more efficient Sun may have to spend less tot achieve similar improvements.,  N > it takes them *years* to get it right.  The competition is also betting, andJ > starting to invest heavily in Linux - which strikes at the very heart ofG > Sun's snake oil "open" systems - by truly creating a "standard" UNIX.a  F If you believe that, when then bother with VMS, MVS, Tandem or HP-UX ?I Proprietary systems usually have one huge advantage over others: they areoN fully supported, better documented and usually have fewer bugs, and they offerM some features (such as clustering) which are not available (or flawed) on the N open sources stuff. Solaris and HP-UX are just proprietary systems that have a lot in common with linux.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:44:49 GMT># From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>nP Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux0 Message-ID: <BPuk8.3939$YTg.1159@news1.bloor.is>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:i8pk8.1025$fL6.22853@news.cpqcorp.net...r >=L > You know, I don't know where you are comming from.  In it's prime, DigitalK > sold a lot of VAXes the same way Sun sells a lot of Sparcs.  It *was* thenH > industry standard.  Some people might say we "shoved them down peoplesK > throats".  But in reality, people only swallow what they really want.  BySI > the time Alpha came out, we were already in trouble because the VAX had  run I > out of gas *years* before.  And that is where Sun will end up with it's H > heart ripped out -- they will stick with Sparc like DEC stuck with VAX untiliL > it's too late for them to crawl back out of the hole they dug... just like > DEC.   Fred,l  J The issue with the VAX/Sun argument is not that VAX ran out of gas so muchJ as DEC tried to still command a premium price for the VAX as it ran out of# gas. I was there and saw it happen.   I The place I was working at during the late 80's/early '90's was a big VAXrE user. All Digital had to do was make the price/performance ratio moretL competitive and my former employer would have stayed with DEC back then. ButJ the price/performance of Sun was more appealing than waiting for Alpha. SoJ the firm bit the bullet and ported software. We didn't want to switch, butJ management felt that they were forced to. It was hard to lay out $225k forL an 8200 system (or whatever the price actually was), when the equivalent SunH box (based on SpecInt, etc...) was 30-40% cheaper. Sun software licensesJ were cheaper. I even think that Sybase was cheaper on Sun at the time too.  K The big issue is that most commercial enterprises think along the lines of, G "even though it's not the best,it's good enough, and it doesn't cost as L much", and that's hard to compete against. What makes it even more difficultL is that for the most part firms look at the capital cost of systems, and notH the fully costed TCO and the cost of the staff to program/operate in theJ different environments. They look at the capital cost as either a one-timeK check for $1MM for a big system, or as a $37K/month lease expense, and then F figure they can make up the lost productivity costs by squeezing theirJ programmers salaries, bonuses, or increasing their workload ("Stay tonight< and fix/work-around the bugs, even if it takes until 2am.").  L These are some of the reasons why Sun and shit Intel processor architectures. and MS software have the market share they do.    J > >Failure implies an attempt at something. Alpha didn't fail since it was not $ > >allowed to enter the competition. >2F > Horse crap.  What data do you have that indicates that DEC or Compaq didn'tL > want Alpha to succeed?  Just navel gazing pundits trying to figure out why > Alpha never got traction.  >   G The other reasons why are that Digital and Compaq couldn't/can't marketrD their way out of a wet paper bag. That's not the same as saying thatL Digital/Compaq didn't want Alpha to succeed. It's more a case of they didn'tK hire the right internal marketing/account execs and advertising agencies ormJ give them enough creative leeway like Sun did with theirs, or IBM is doingJ now. The board or the marketing department was too timid to stretch to theJ limit at both ends of the advertising/marketing spectrum - hip to the guysH who thought workstations were all you needed to get everything done, vs.C heavy-duty big-iron ads to execs for whom big batch jobs were their9
 lifeblood.  J Sizzle sells, even if it isn't backed up by steak. They call it 'SalisburyG steak' when it's only hamburger in the shape of a steak. And management!8 typically wants to be able to say they are eating steak.        / > > SUN is in the same position as Dec was with J > >Alpha: a proprietary OS and a proprietary chip and proprietary systems. And K > >guess what, they are doing very well in terms of market penetration, andd onI > >that metric, they are more "industry standard" than Intel's IA64 thinge can $ > >hope to be in the next few years. >hK > They are in the same position as DEC was with VAX *not* with Alpha.  TheydK > have an aging, slow CPU architecture, with a lot of installed base.  TheyrH > have failed to make Sparc performance competetive, and are coasting onF > vapours, while trying to squeeze the margins on the cost/price.  TheK > competition is well heeled, and can afford to spend big bucks in R&D evene ifJ > it takes them *years* to get it right.  The competition is also betting, and3J > starting to invest heavily in Linux - which strikes at the very heart ofG > Sun's snake oil "open" systems - by truly creating a "standard" UNIX.g >o >. >> >V   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:26:31 -0500i* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux3 Message-ID: <zsvk8.1035$fL6.23111@news.cpqcorp.net>c  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:i3l49u4m1cggqn4g98ibk8jgmmngj1790f@4ax.com...  4 > Maybe, just maybe if IA64 takes off and ends up inG > laptops five years down the line I'll be able to do that but I expectd8 > Hammer laptops long before IA64 laptops appear if ever  D Intel has consistantly said that IA-64 is a high-end SERVER chip andC there are no intentions to make a low-end, low-cost implementation.   J There will never be any IA-64 laptop, just like there are no Xeon laptops.  8 Anand has a really good article on IA-64 vs. AMD Hammer:  5 http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1584&p=13t       Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporatione! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14d 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698, Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:05:19 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux, Message-ID: <3C928C2F.51A9ACF8@videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote:NI > The other reasons why are that Digital and Compaq couldn't/can't marketaF > their way out of a wet paper bag. That's not the same as saying that. > Digital/Compaq didn't want Alpha to succeed.  J In the case of Alpha, I think it was far more than marketing. Remember theL Alphas that were purposefully built not to boot VMS because they didn't wantN low end Alpha to be used instead of expensive Alphas ? DEC didn't realise thatQ if it wasn't going to sell low cost workstations, customers would just go to Sun.T  M And when the wintel business became the strategic future for Digital, DigitalaM made sure that Alphas were priced/configured so as to not compete against the  Wintel business.  G Digital made strategic decisions to prevent Alpha from competing at theiL low/mid range. Lets not forget the failure of Digital to sell Alpha to otherF computer manufacturers, and refusal by Digital to sell FAB capacity to interested folks such as AMD.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:46:36 GMTw* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux> Message-ID: <MBwk8.5773$dh.226701@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:i8pk8.1025$fL6.22853@news.cpqcorp.net...h? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3C917993.F2D61F87@videotron.ca>...    ...p  J > >Failure implies an attempt at something. Alpha didn't fail since it was notd$ > >allowed to enter the competition. >fF > Horse crap.  What data do you have that indicates that DEC or Compaq didn'tL > want Alpha to succeed?  Just navel gazing pundits trying to figure out why > Alpha never got traction.e  F My, Fred, you're not only being unpleasant but positively incompetent. Perhaps you need a rest.  K Is your memory really so short that you've forgotten the concerted attemptsyB DEC made to migrate VMS (hence, Alpha) customers to NT back in theL 'affinity' days?  Would you like people to restate their experience with theI DEC sales force in this area?  Or perhaps you've never looked at relative:J advertising expenditures (in absolute numbers, let alone when adjusted forA relative profitability) for Alpha vs. Wintel platforms by Compaq.i   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:00:02 -0500 , From: "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux, Message-ID: <a6u5je0197a@enews4.newsguy.com>  9 JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in messaget& news:3C926C1C.FB4EEECB@videotron.ca...K > Proprietary systems usually have one huge advantage over others: they areeJ > fully supported, better documented and usually have fewer bugs, and they offer K > some features (such as clustering) which are not available (or flawed) oni thehI > open sources stuff. Solaris and HP-UX are just proprietary systems thate have a > lot in common with linux.   L In addition, they (proprietary OS) can take advantage of all the features ofI the platform they're running on, which is typically proprietary hardware.0G Can you imagine how many SYSLOA files would be needed to get VMS to runUF all-out on any PC board, from any manufacturer?  I suspect part of theL reason for not porting VMS to a PC platform was the inability to control theJ quality of the hardware and the BIOS, as well as the inability to tune theG various subsystems.  Even with Microsoft's control over PC architecture I (build it the same basic way they were in 1984 or write your own OS) they L still have problems with new hardware.  Many (if not all) BIOSes don't allowK you to tune the chipsets fully out of fear that Windows will croak, or some G other plug-in card might not be happy.  Linux does and will suffer froma similar problems.h  K Proprietary OS and sytems don't have these compatibility issues, so you endu! with a more stable product, IMHO.=     Franki   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:54:15 GMTr# From: "Dan" <io_crater@hotmail.com>m& Subject: Re: HSZ10 looking for info...: Message-ID: <Hjsk8.98924$eb.4413268@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>  6 "Oliver" <oliver.steeples@compaq.com> wrote in message6 news:e5029990.0203150541.a80ff09@posting.google.com...+ > HSZ10, codename TOTO, I knew him so well.s >pH > It's a bugger.  There's a utility canned ACE that you have to run thatF > lets you configure it, the software itself actually sits of a hidden* > partition of any disks in the enclosure.  K Any idea how the software would have been orginally placed on those drives?0   > If it has disks then youC > might have got lucky and the utility is on the disks but I can'trnD > remeber the command to init them on system startup.  If it doesn't: > have disks then you have just brought a big paperweight. >s  L It did come with some drives but they had been scrubbed. It also came with 4 power supplies.     F > I personally would use the disks in a BA350 or something and get rid > of the HSZ10.   L Plan B. Parts for my other BA35x's.  That's what made the unit attractive at the auction.  J It is just a shame not to use the HSZ if I can get it going. I hate seeing wasted hardware.   Dan.     >s0 > "Dan" <io_crater@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:<f8Pj8.138271$kb.7590940@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>...IK > > I recently picked up what I believe is an HSZ10 at an auction that I amo > > .c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:26:56 +0100l9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t< Subject: Info on AS 255 (Was :Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM)' Message-ID: <3C925910.9E171A6C@aaa.com>.   Hi.l+ I have the System and Options entry for theN* AlphaStation 255/233 and 255/300 as a PDF.% It's 174Kb. Shall I mail you a copy ?r   Jan-Erik Sderholm.t   PS.y0 I'm planning to buy one AS 255/233 to replace my5 DEC 2000 modell 300 hobbyist system. I'v been offeredr one for aprox 250 USD. DS.      Dave Rich wrote: > ) > > Be advised - it's a site in France...1 >  > Yeah, i saw that.. ;-( > K > Any info on which type of memory the AlphaStation 255 takes, and how theyx > have to be matched up? > M > It has 8 banks, do I need 8 chips, or do they count as 2 banks, with a need  > for 4 at a time? > E > Dec has minimal info on this system, since its considered 'retired'e > 	 > Thanks., > Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:50:02 GMT.% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@insightbb.com> 4 Subject: Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads8 Message-ID: <5gg49u4quds50a3iol9ktsuvka6pf5voea@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:10:10 +0000, Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:  B >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:47:36 GMT, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@insightbb.com> >wrote:t >s5 >>On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:20:31 -0500, "Brian Tillman" . >><tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote: >>D >>>> What would you have us do here -- what additional steps can we E >>>>  provide here that we could afford to provide and that we could  A >>>>  profit (indirectly, obviously) from -- that is not already u >>>>  available? >>>e> >>>Put your computers back in schools the way they used to be. >> >>Ah, okay.  A shotgun wedding.  >cD >Are you totally nuts or just living in a fantasy world? We lost VMSD >from the university where I was the systems manager because DigitalF >went over my head to senior university management and said NT was theF >way forward not VMS. How many times do I have to say this? Go talk toG >Rich Marcello who admitted to myself and others that he was aware thisD@ >had gone on during  the "affinity" tragedy. Contact Clair WellsE >formerly of VMS project management in Livingston, who tried to get a C >retraction from Digital management and couldn't. It makes my blood F >boil when Digital/Compaq personnel prefer to stick their heads in the( >sand rather than fix the real problems.  F Hmm... is that response really meant for my "shotgun wedding" comment?! Or for the statement prior to it?d  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqt- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:06:53 +0000a& From: Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>4 Subject: Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads8 Message-ID: <iok49u066rh82c3kj282i5qeagrub5adgc@4ax.com>  A On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:50:02 GMT, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@insightbb.com>w wrote:    G >Hmm... is that response really meant for my "shotgun wedding" comment?u" >Or for the statement prior to it?  D Actually it could probably be applicable to both. But I can think ofB several UK universities which still have some VMS or have recently@ phased it out who might be interested in restoring a general VMSA service to staff and students *if and only if* Compaq came in anduD pushed it back at them. Many university site IT managers will freelyD admit they didn't realise how much they liked VMS until it had gone.F Seed systems would be most welcome. Of course Compaq would have to eat humble pie.c   >s2 >Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq. >(get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:38:03 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t8 Subject: New York Teachers Fund Against HP-Compaq Merger0 Message-ID: <vBvk8.4025$5Id.1323@news2.bloor.is>  / New York Teachers Fund Against HP-Compaq Merger ( Last Updated: March 15, 2002 05:35 PM ET    H SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The New York State Teachers' Retirement SystemG will vote 7 million shares each of Hewlett-Packard Co. HWP.N and CompaqkL Computer Corp. CPQ.N against the nearly $21 billion merger, a spokesman said
 on Friday.  G The fund's David Daly said that New York Teachers had already voted itsaH shares, which are about 0.36 of Hewlett-Packard and about 0.4 percent of8 Compaq, in the contest which is still seen as a toss-up.  J Both sides in the hard-fought battle over what would be the largest mergerI in computer industry history are encouraging supporters to go public with K their decisions in an effort to influence last-minute votes in the contest.   E HP's vote is next Tuesday, and Compaq's meeting follows the next day.:L Supporters say the deal would create a technology powerhouse while opponentsH call it an expensive mistake that would mostly just increase the size of+ HP's low-profit personal computer business.8   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:26:52 -0500u, From: "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com>9 Subject: Re: OT: AOL "whiners" for suing MS over Netscape , Message-ID: <a6u3l90123r@enews4.newsguy.com>  B "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message, news:kPCRPMh1qZyR14MMc=KdBl2yk6bk@4ax.com..." >     Why do you think he's wrong? >e > David R. Beatty   K AOL gave 10 free hours (then 100, then 1000) as an incentive to have people L sign up for its online service.  The software was never an item that you hadK to purchase separately.  Neither was CompuServe's software, from what I can K remember.  As I see it, *both* AOL and CompuServe provided free software togG use their services, and AOL provided an additional incentive to attractnA customers to what was a very expensive (IMHO) product -- that is,dK time-billed connection and other charges.  Remember, in the early days they'K charged by the minute before competitive pressures and the Internet changedr the landscape.  I Neither Microsoft (at the time) or Netscape provided online services that G required specialized software.  They are both in the business of makinghL money from *selling* software.  This alone is a huge differentiation between Microsoft's tactic and AOL's.e  F Realizing that the browser would be a gateway to lots of other revenueJ streams, Microsoft chose to do what it didn't do with any other product inF it's catalog:  give it away for free.  Or, if you buy into their view,H incorporate it into Windows as a necessary component.  Either way, theirL combined action of giving it away for free and limiting what system buildersE could do with it (and competing browsers) was an attempt to eliminatet* competition from other browser publishers.  F Do we want to argue about whether the browser is part of the OS?  As aE reasonably well-seasoned developer I know that the browser is just an/G application that relies on maybe three parts of the operating system --eF network I/O, file I/O, and UI.  There isn't anyone in the world, in myH opinion, that can convince me that somehow the OS relies on the browser.C What MS did was shift an OS configuration item (Internet connectioneG settings) into the browser to try and support their argument. Since yousL configure those things through Internet Explorer, and other applications andI the OS rely on those settings, they claim the browser is necessary to thei OS.i  G If you want to compare AOL non-competitive practices, I would think thelA first place to look is the IM protocol and AOL's efforts to limit $ third-party products in that market.     Frank    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:32:17 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>t Subject: ouch!+ Message-ID: <3C928481.937EB19C@caltech.edu>r  @ Apparently it is not just cov denizens who have Compaq's number.  3    http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020315/nyf085_1.html'  G    the New York State Common Retirement System Fund has announced theirc intention toN    vote against the proposed Compaq merger. In connection with their decision,J    Carl McCall, New York State Comptroller, stated, ``Compaq is not a very	 promisinge)    company. Nobody else wants to buy it."k   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:14:25 GMTg) From: Matt Rife <matt_rife@sbcglobal.net>w Subject: Re: ouch!- Message-ID: <3C92D32F.827DFD62@sbcglobal.net>b   David Mathog wrote:S  B > Apparently it is not just cov denizens who have Compaq's number. >n5 >    http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020315/nyf085_1.htmlt > I >    the New York State Common Retirement System Fund has announced their  > intention toP >    vote against the proposed Compaq merger. In connection with their decision,L >    Carl McCall, New York State Comptroller, stated, ``Compaq is not a very > promisings+ >    company. Nobody else wants to buy it."  >h
 > Regards, >e > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu  H Both the California Teachers Retirement System and the Public Employee's6 Retirement System of Ohio are voting against, as well.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:36:33 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq0 Message-ID: <5Avk8.4023$5Id.3622@news2.bloor.is>  , Suggestion for Plan B when the merger fails:  - Step 1) HP gets Curly as a consolation prize.o  # Step 2) Compaq gets new management.   A Step 3) Curly does for HP what he did for Compaq shareholders and L customers - eroded market value, eroded marketshare, devalued product lines.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:54:45 GMT0* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq? Message-ID: <pJwk8.2480$Ib6.154894@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>D  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* news:5Avk8.4023$5Id.3622@news2.bloor.is.... > Suggestion for Plan B when the merger fails: >./ > Step 1) HP gets Curly as a consolation prize.n   Hear, hear!t   >i% > Step 2) Compaq gets new management.d  D For that matter, old management would be a major step up.  How about* Pfeiffer (I doubt KO would be interested)?   >iC > Step 3) Curly does for HP what he did for Compaq shareholders andnG > customers - eroded market value, eroded marketshare, devalued productt lines.  . Too late - Carly's already taken care of that.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2002 14:50:32 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)u  Subject: Re: Question for Andrew3 Message-ID: <8UkDH7BG0O+G@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  U In article <3C921CC3.5751F183@caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:1 > Tom Linden wrote:0 >>  K >> Recently bought an Ultra 10 from a company that went belly up.  But theyn	 >> didn't:J >> know the password.  Is there a way to login single-user and edit passwd >> file? > R > Yes, but do you really want to?  Who knows how they have that system configured.N > Far better to get the latest version of Solaris off the web, burn a CD, bootP > and install a clean system.  (Note to OpenVMS engineering - one area where SunL > has it all over you folks is in their ability to distribute their software
 > efficiently Q > and for the end users, painlessly. For the VMS equivalent of this problem where?R > would Tom get the boot CD if he didn't already have one, what it would cost him, > and how long would it take?   D Note to David:  It took me four years to _not_ get a copy of Solaris4 		from Sun's developer program.  They would not even 		respond with a price.h  8 		No, I did not want to copy software over the Internet.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2002 21:00:56 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)r  Subject: Re: Question for Andrew< Message-ID: <55f85d77.0203152100.7f5268e@posting.google.com>  Z David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message news:<3C921CC3.5751F183@caltech.edu>...  N > where would Tom get the boot CD if he didn't already have one, what it would' > cost him, and how long would it take?-  9 Here in Australia when I ordered my 7.3 distro last year:e  C (1) From the PC distributor we use for PCs at work (Alfa Computer).8D (2) AUS$420 (ex GST) - QA-MT1AA-H8 - which I consider good value for#     what you get in the distro kit..8 (3) Couple of weeks (don't remember the _exact timing_).  I Hardware on the other hand - you have a very good point! - I can remembersI waiting almost ***6 months*** for one piece of Compaq kit. We were making K jokes about how they were probably building it for us and were disappointed ; when it arrived to note the mfg. date did not back this up.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:02:11 GMTu1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>c, Subject: Re: Relax, it is just a merge . . .9 Message-ID: <Dbuk8.27566$44.6378918@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>   ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message : news:20020315181519.99498.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com... > People >d0 > Have a nice weekend and relax with your family4 > or girlfriends in this week end. Next week will be6 > exciting for everybody, because we are participating7 > in the HP X Compaq merge... Our  careers will change.07 > Our destiny will change. Our perspectives and visionsu3 > will change. So, dont worry if HP will really buyn$ > Compaq or not. Just stay "online". >u >0 > Have a nice weekend !!!   F Likewise... and remember: this is something that a lot of us have been through at least once before!p   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2002 17:41:21 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)u" Subject: Re: Resource block chains= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0203151741.2e7b5d39@posting.google.com>b  i James.F.Duff@health.net wrote in message news:<OFA81613C2.68A95DE6-ON88256B7C.007B0B19@foundation.com>...   K > some trouble with an executive cell called LCK$GQ_RRSFL.  This puportedlya  % This looks like fun - I'll have a go!m   SDA> examine LCK$GQ_RRSFL - LCK$GQ_RRSFL:  FFFFFFFF.77DC37B0   "7w...."nN SDA> format/type=rsb (FFFFFFFF.77DC37B0 - 60)  ! RSB$Q_RRSFL = 96,0,0,1 = 0x60 ...f< FFFFFFFF.77DC37B0   RSB$Q_RRSFL                     77DC3AB0 ...g  	 $ t rsb.cp   #pragma pointer_size 64o   #include <ints.h>  #include <rsbdef.h>h #include <starlet.h> #include <stddef.h>e #include <stdio.h>   char *next_rsb_rrsfl;c   struct _rsb *rsb;e   int executive_mode() {  &     next_rsb_rrsfl = rsb->rsb$q_rrsfl;       return(0);       }p   main() {       extern uint64 lck$gq_rrsfl;I  N     rsb = (struct _rsb *) (lck$gq_rrsfl - offsetof(struct _rsb, rsb$q_rrsfl));  "     sys$cmexec(executive_mode, 0);  5     printf("next rsb rrsfl at %x\n", next_rsb_rrsfl);        }h  * $ cc rsb+sys$share:sys$lib_c/libr/point=64 $ link/sysexe rsbe $ r rsb  next rsb rrsfl at 77dc3ab0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:51:37 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)/ Subject: Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC C ; Message-ID: <3c927af9.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   $ Dave Rich (drich@nucorar.com) wrote: > > Try LIB$WAIT().e > >9+ > Thank you for the alternative suggestion.  >1$ > Is this used as a normal RTL Call?   Yes.  #   $ help RTL_routines lib$ lib$waitd   But it is not a system service.e  . > Cant seem to get it to function as expected. > The compiler reports:t > Running CC...i >h$ >   sleep_sts = lib$wait(SLEEPSECS); > ..............^ E > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "lib$wait" ish$ > implicitly declared as a function.9 > at line number 47 in file ACCOUNTS:[RICH.CC]PROLST.C;90m > = > I didn't think the LIB$ Functions needed to be prototyped.. ; > I am including all of the necessary includes.. I believe:s > #include <descrip.h> > #include <jpidef.h>4 > #include <ssdef.h> > #include <starlet.h> > #include <stdio.h> > #include <stdlib.h>r > #include <string.h>   D > I am using other system calls in the code, and they DO function as@ > expected..  But the actual call is a bit different. I am using! > SYS$GETJPIW(); With no problemst  I Because it is declared in starlet.h. The lib$ routines are in (surprise!)e lib$routines.h.2  D Beware that the argument to lib$wait is a float passed by reference.   cu,v   Martin -- tG So long, and thanks        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4 for all the books...       | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK In Memoriam Douglas Adams  |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/.;             1952-2001      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.dem   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2002 18:03:39 -08000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)/ Subject: Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC CS= Message-ID: <948f0720.0203151803.144087ac@posting.google.com>m  b "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com> wrote in message news:<a6t5jd$gpin3$1@ID-136223.news.dfncis.de>... > >e > > Try LIB$WAIT().e > >r+ > Thank you for the alternative suggestion.  > $ > Is this used as a normal RTL Call? > . > Cant seem to get it to function as expected. > The compiler reports:n > Running CC...h > $ >   sleep_sts = lib$wait(SLEEPSECS); > ..............^tE > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "lib$wait" isr$ > implicitly declared as a function.9 > at line number 47 in file ACCOUNTS:[RICH.CC]PROLST.C;900 >  > = > I didn't think the LIB$ Functions needed to be prototyped..t; > I am including all of the necessary includes.. I believe:o > #include <descrip.h> > #include <jpidef.h>0 > #include <ssdef.h> > #include <starlet.h> > #include <stdio.h> > #include <stdlib.h>  > #include <string.h>n > D > I am using other system calls in the code, and they DO function as@ > expected..  But the actual call is a bit different. I am using! > SYS$GETJPIW(); With no problemsw   For LIB$WAIT you need: #include <lib$routines.h>   F But be aware that DEC never got around to declaring function argumentsE in their prototypes for any of the runtime libraries (at least not intF any version I've met, but I've not got the latest). Therefore it won'tC ensure that the argument to LIB$WAIT is of type float (seconds), so  you must tell it.o  C As to the missing sleep(), how do you know you haven't got it? Doesg the linker complain?   Chrisi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:47:21 -0500y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 4 Subject: Storing one's own metadata in file header ?, Message-ID: <3C92EA77.658C5073@videotron.ca>  K Does RMS have any "user defined" field in the file headers/FAB/XAB blocks ?s  J For instance, if one wanted to store and application ID or file type ( laN Macintosh) could one use any fields to store such small bits of information ?   L Could the RMS semantics field be used to store user-defined types in there ?  L For instance, if in the future, one would want to have icons associated withJ files, one would have a database of icons, each with some ID, and then you store that ID in the file.  N And far as the semantics flag, I think that it would be very cool if one couldJ provide user defined file semantics with a user written shareable image toM provide the access to the file, in the same way that one can TYPE a DDIF file H to a character cell terminal and it shows only the text portion etc etc.  K With the CDA converters no longer finctioning properly with all the various N version mismatch, perhaps it would be time to really review the use of the RMSC semantics tag and expand it, allowing third parties to do something E interesting with it. (for instance, being able to type an HTML file).g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:46:15 +0100n9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>s/ Subject: Re: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?t' Message-ID: <3C925D97.C208488A@aaa.com>s   FYI...2 I got a copy of Lawrence tool (DISKREP) and it was2 exactly what I needed, and more. It also gives the4 number of "purgable blocks" on the drive and in each4 directory. For each dir it lists #files, #blocks and sum_of_#blocks_in_all_subdirs.   Many thanks Lawrence !   Jan-Erik Sderholm.:   Lawrence Bleau wrote:g > H > Contact me directly and I'll give you a program and procedure I wrote.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:55:03 -05002- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> C Subject: Re: Use Logical name for both DEV: and [dir] in AUTHORIZE?s, Message-ID: <3C926DAE.DD2FB59D@videotron.ca>  ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:a > 9 > I want users on NODEA to login to SOMELOGICAL and go tod? > SOMELOGICAL = "DISK$USER1:[FOO.BAR1] and run login.com there.  > 9 > I want users on NODEB to login to SOMELOGICAL and go toe? > SOMELOGICAL = "DISK$USER2:[FOO.BAR2] and run login.com there..   Haven't trioed this but:  B define/translation-(term,conc) SOMELOGICAL  DISK$USER2:[FOO.BAR2.]  Q Then, in authorise, you use SOMELOGICAL as device name and [000000] as directory.t  - However, it would probably be cleaner to have   - nodeA -> SOMELOGICAL = "DISK$USER1:[FOO1.BAR] - nodeB -> SOMELOGICAL = "DISK$USER2:[FOO2.BAR]   H in which case, you could have a rooted logical disk$user1:[FOO1.] and in authorise you would have. SOMELOGICAL as device, and [BAR] as directory.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:28:09 GMT % From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@insightbb.com>SA Subject: Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMSs8 Message-ID: <lpi49ug84g9pgcbvh5p7eidfd65n2gjssv@4ax.com>  5 On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:47:53 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"h <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   >Robert Deininger wrote: >> .> >> In article <3C9009A4.88C56D9C@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"! >> <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  >> 1% >> >NET-APP-SUP-250 is not OVMS-BASE.i >>  R >> So what?  If they bundle OVMS-BASE and NAS with the system purchase, who cares? >aG >When you find yourself with a corrupted/deleted .LDB and an incomplete 1 >set of hard-copy PAKs, you'll care a great deal.o >a@ >...and that's "If they bundle OVMS-BASE and NAS with the system( >purchase". Don't count your chickens...  E Well, sure, but if you had lost the OVMS-BASE license you'd be in ther same boat, right?,  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqe- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:30:19 GMTo4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>A Subject: Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMSw0 Message-ID: <3C925890.134BCFDD@blueyonder.co.uk>   jlsue wrote: > 7 > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:47:53 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"e  > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > >Robert Deininger wrote: > >>@ > >> In article <3C9009A4.88C56D9C@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"# > >> <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:, > >>' > >> >NET-APP-SUP-250 is not OVMS-BASE.m > >>T > >> So what?  If they bundle OVMS-BASE and NAS with the system purchase, who cares? > >uI > >When you find yourself with a corrupted/deleted .LDB and an incompletet3 > >set of hard-copy PAKs, you'll care a great deal.w > >tB > >...and that's "If they bundle OVMS-BASE and NAS with the system* > >purchase". Don't count your chickens... > G > Well, sure, but if you had lost the OVMS-BASE license you'd be in ther > same boat, right?w  N yeah, and really if this is for operational rather than administrative reasonsP you SHOULD have a decent backup of your system disk including the ldb's, surely.      -- g tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk e  F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:25:21 +0000a& From: Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>B Subject: Re: Walter Hewlett says HP board is really against merger8 Message-ID: <c9i59uokkrgns5d83hqigjkl1qrranhj73@4ax.com>  A On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:03:54 -0500, "Tom Cole" <tom.cole@sas.com>- wrote:  L >In the webcast, Walter Hewlett says that he never would have voted in favorK >of the merger as a board member if he hadn't been advised by legal councilj< >that he could then oppose it individually as a shareholder. >eK >I guess I'm uninformed about the complexities of being a board member of aaH >major company, but I would have thought that if Mr. Hewlett thought theJ >merger was wrong, then as a board member he should vote against it in theL >best interests of HP... not "go along, only later to run rogue" as he seems >to these days.o  C Carly allegedly threatened to resign if the vote was not unanimous.sB Hewlett tried to delay the vote and Carly refused. Hewlett was notC prepared to throw Carly out at that point but has now decided after C reflection that this is what must happen. That's the way I read it.   K >The implication he seems to be trying to promote is that lots of the boardaF >members felt the same way, and just went along for a variety of vagueJ >reasons not related to their true feelings... if the HP board votes partyK >line like this all the time, I'd think that HP stockholders at large wouldt) >want a new board (Mr. Hewlett included).n >tL >I can see the quarterly summary accounting statements now... "HP incurred aH >one-time charge of $27.5 million promoting the merger and engaging in a( >spin-war with it's own board."  Sheesh. >g > ! >[$0.02 debited from petty cash.]f >i >e> >"Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in message3 >news:3c922747.321592215@proxy.news.easynews.com...-G >> On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:16:24 +0000, Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>h	 >> wrote:@ >>J >> >In a webcast available at http://www.pressnews.net/hp/index_live.htm ,J >> >Walter Hewlett suggests the rest of the board back him and are againstJ >> >Carly but cannot say so publicly because of legal concerns. Well worth
 >> >a listen.u >>H >> If that is the case, why did they vote for it in the first place?  Or@ >> is Walter claiming the board has changed its collective mind? >>
 >> -----------  >> Remove 'Z' to reply by email. >4   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:02:21 GMTo* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>B Subject: Re: Walter Hewlett says HP board is really against merger> Message-ID: <xlAk8.7936$1g.471023@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  F [Apologies if this appears twice:  this is the second time that my ISPJ apparently hasn't gotten a post out recently, and as I know they're having) problems in general I'll just resend it.]o  . "Tom Cole" <tom.cole@sas.com> wrote in message) news:a6td2b$p51$1@license1.unx.sas.com...3G > In the webcast, Walter Hewlett says that he never would have voted in  favordL > of the merger as a board member if he hadn't been advised by legal council= > that he could then oppose it individually as a shareholder.- >-L > I guess I'm uninformed about the complexities of being a board member of a > major company,  G Apparently.  Early-on, Hewlett explained his actions.  The terms of therK merger agreement required a unanimous BoD vote to approve the terms as theycG stood.  It was clear that the merger was going to go forward whether helK voted to approve or not, but had he voted nay it would have opened the door H to renegotiating the terms and he suspected that this would result in HP> paying more for Compaq than the previously-agreed-upon amount.  K Hence his vote was in the interest of saving HP money in the event that thehH merger was consummated, but he made it clear to the board at the time heL voted that if the stockholder vote were held under the circumstances of that) date he would oppose it as a stockholder.l  
 Clear now?  9  but I would have thought that if Mr. Hewlett thought thebK > merger was wrong, then as a board member he should vote against it in thetG > best interests of HP... not "go along, only later to run rogue" as heo seemsu > to these days. >aL > The implication he seems to be trying to promote is that lots of the boardG > members felt the same way, and just went along for a variety of vaguerK > reasons not related to their true feelings... if the HP board votes partyrL > line like this all the time, I'd think that HP stockholders at large would* > want a new board (Mr. Hewlett included). >gK > I can see the quarterly summary accounting statements now... "HP incurredC a7I > one-time charge of $27.5 million promoting the merger and engaging in ar) > spin-war with it's own board."  Sheesh.n >o >o" > [$0.02 debited from petty cash.] >  >n? > "Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in messageo4 > news:3c922747.321592215@proxy.news.easynews.com...H > > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:16:24 +0000, Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>
 > > wrote: > >kK > > >In a webcast available at http://www.pressnews.net/hp/index_live.htm , K > > >Walter Hewlett suggests the rest of the board back him and are againsttK > > >Carly but cannot say so publicly because of legal concerns. Well worth  > > >a listen. > >iI > > If that is the case, why did they vote for it in the first place?  OrtA > > is Walter claiming the board has changed its collective mind?   K I suspect Walter is suggesting that most of the board finds it difficult tom1 stand up to Carly, which would not be surprising.e   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:36:21 -0600v1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>10 Subject: Re: What do you think about Compaq.com?8 Message-ID: <a6tt7p$ftm$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  L SBA, located in downtown Chicago, is the company managing ITUG and Encompass
 ( was DECUS).p  F They've been doing this ever since Compaq cut the cord from the user's
 societies.  H They also manage a bunch of other user groups.  SHARE being one of them.   Dave...a  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* news:ijuk8.3805$5Id.2838@news2.bloor.is... > Who are these guys anyway??h > # > from Network Solutions whois.....t >a
 > Registrant:p > ITUG (COMPAQWORKINGGROUP-DOM)- >    401 N. Michigan Ave.: >    Chicago, IL 60611 >    USA >P( >    Domain Name: COMPAQWORKINGGROUP.ORG >h/ >    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:o8 >       Hostmaster  (HO4652-ORG)  hostmaster@NEOLOGY.COM# >       Smith, Bucklin & Associates6 >       401 N. Michigano >       Chicago, IL 60611t
 >       US >       312-527-6778 >       Fax- 312-321-3701  >    Billing Contact:'4 >       MacWilliam, Skip  (SMT227)  skip@NEOLOGY.COM" >       Neology Information Design >       401 N. Michigan AveF >       Chicago , IL 60611 >       312-464-6100 > ( >    Record last updated on 17-Oct-2001.# >    Record expires on 09-May-2002. # >    Record created on 09-May-2000.  >c >e >n= > "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote in messaget7 > news:000001c1cc85$40717aa0$cc96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8... @ > I thought maybe the GROUP would like to respond to this one !!; > Maybe a mention of their money making operating systems??  >  >x > -----Original Message-----( > From: Webmaster@CompaqWorkingGroup.org+ > [mailto:Webmaster@CompaqWorkingGroup.org]y& > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:13 PM >" >t7 > Participate Now! Help shape the future of Compaq.com.rD > Compaq is currently investigating ways to improve your online user. > experience-and wants to hear from you! ClickE > http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org/Surveys/2002Mar_questionnaire/ too complete > Compaq's Web Site survey >:E > Compaq is listening! Many of you have already submitted Web-related9 feedback, > through the Compaq Online Advocacy tool atK > http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org/?source=advocacy. Because Compaq placesuG > high importance on user feedback, Compaq would like to delve a littleR deeperK > into your Web preferences to help improve the content, functionality, andi# > format of its online information.p >rK > This is your chance to ask Compaq for additional online content, new ways. ofK > searching for data, identifying what works best, and highlighting troubleiI > spots. Don't miss this opportunity to share your feedback with Compaq'sN WebI > team.L >CI > Compaq Values Your Opinions! All those that complete the survey will be 7 > entered into a drawing to win a Compaq iPAQ computer.s >  >c >e >e >i >> >  >c   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:10:22 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: What do you think about Compaq.com?0 Message-ID: <ijuk8.3805$5Id.2838@news2.bloor.is>   Who are these guys anyway??a  ! from Network Solutions whois.....J   Registrant:p ITUG (COMPAQWORKINGGROUP-DOM)r    401 N. Michigan Ave.     Chicago, IL 60611    US   &    Domain Name: COMPAQWORKINGGROUP.ORG  -    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: 6       Hostmaster  (HO4652-ORG)  hostmaster@NEOLOGY.COM!       Smith, Bucklin & Associatese       401 N. Michigan.       Chicago, IL 60611t       US       312-527-6778       Fax- 312-321-3701d    Billing Contact:r2       MacWilliam, Skip  (SMT227)  skip@NEOLOGY.COM        Neology Information Design       401 N. Michigan Ave5       Chicago , IL 60611       312-464-6100  &    Record last updated on 17-Oct-2001.!    Record expires on 09-May-2002.S!    Record created on 09-May-2000.1      ; "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote in messaget5 news:000001c1cc85$40717aa0$cc96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8....> I thought maybe the GROUP would like to respond to this one !!9 Maybe a mention of their money making operating systems??C     -----Original Message-----& From: Webmaster@CompaqWorkingGroup.org) [mailto:Webmaster@CompaqWorkingGroup.org]_$ Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:13 PM    5 Participate Now! Help shape the future of Compaq.com.tB Compaq is currently investigating ways to improve your online user, experience-and wants to hear from you! ClickL http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org/Surveys/2002Mar_questionnaire/ to complete Compaq's Web Site survey  L Compaq is listening! Many of you have already submitted Web-related feedback* through the Compaq Online Advocacy tool atI http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org/?source=advocacy. Because Compaq places L high importance on user feedback, Compaq would like to delve a little deeperI into your Web preferences to help improve the content, functionality, and(! format of its online information.T  L This is your chance to ask Compaq for additional online content, new ways ofI searching for data, identifying what works best, and highlighting troubleeK spots. Don't miss this opportunity to share your feedback with Compaq's Webs team.r  G Compaq Values Your Opinions! All those that complete the survey will ben5 entered into a drawing to win a Compaq iPAQ computer.(   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:33:39 GMTi1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>10 Subject: Re: What do you think about Compaq.com?9 Message-ID: <7Fuk8.27718$44.6396509@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>t  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message* news:ijuk8.3805$5Id.2838@news2.bloor.is... > Who are these guys anyway??s >B# > from Network Solutions whois.....e >n
 > Registrant:d > ITUG (COMPAQWORKINGGROUP-DOM)a >    401 N. Michigan Ave.a >    Chicago, IL 60611 >    USs  I Good question. And here's the answer. The Compaq Working Group is a jointiK Compaq-Encompass-ITUG advocacy working group. ITUG originally purchased theeH domain name as they were the initial perpetrators of the advocacy effortI (they got started over two years ago). Smith, Bucklin & Associates is then< association management firm used by both ITUG and Encompass.   cheers,d   terry s $ former Advocacy Working Group member   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2002 11:18:17 -0800! From: brokline@wanadoo.fr (Alain)r" Subject: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM= Message-ID: <ebeaba13.0203151118.4a0e0ef3@posting.google.com>c   if you need dec hardware   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:59:55 -0600 % From: "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com>d& Subject: Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM5 Message-ID: <a6tjpb$h8d6e$1@ID-136223.news.dfncis.de>    > if you need dec hardware  J Thanks.. I have an Alphastation 225 233 MHz at home, with no memory in it.  % Been looking for a place to get some.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:08:56 -07005% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> & Subject: Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COMB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315130840.00af3938@raptor.psccos.com>  % Be advised - it's a site in France...h  ' At 12:59 PM 3/15/2002, Dave Rich wrote:#   > > if you need dec hardware >uK >Thanks.. I have an Alphastation 225 233 MHz at home, with no memory in it.o >g& >Been looking for a place to get some.   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+,I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |sI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |eI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |OI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:21:14 -0600F% From: "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com>a& Subject: Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM5 Message-ID: <a6tl1a$h9r6n$1@ID-136223.news.dfncis.de>   ' > Be advised - it's a site in France...d     Yeah, i saw that.. ;-(  I Any info on which type of memory the AlphaStation 255 takes, and how theyL have to be matched up?  K It has 8 banks, do I need 8 chips, or do they count as 2 banks, with a needc for 4 at a time?  C Dec has minimal info on this system, since its considered 'retired'A   Thanks., Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:35:56 -07000% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>z& Subject: Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COMB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315133502.00af3938@raptor.psccos.com>  L I use 60ns full-parity fast-page-mode memory, 72-pin.  You can pick those up  many places.  Buy them in pairs.  ' At 01:21 PM 3/15/2002, Dave Rich wrote:.  ) > > Be advised - it's a site in France..." >i >. >Yeah, i saw that.. ;-(s >@J >Any info on which type of memory the AlphaStation 255 takes, and how they >have to be matched up?S >SL >It has 8 banks, do I need 8 chips, or do they count as 2 banks, with a need >for 4 at a time?t >.D >Dec has minimal info on this system, since its considered 'retired' >o >Thanks. >Davet   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+iI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |iI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |mI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |-I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |mI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+6   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:50:56 -0500l* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>& Subject: RE: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM- Message-ID: <0033000056573224000002L042*@MHS>   7 =0AThey take 72 pin ECC SIMMs just like the 200 4/166s."  6 *My* memory says that they need to go in in pairs, and3 if you've got pairs of different sizes, put them in $ biggest pair first down to smallest.   WWWebb,iB whose memory seems to ECC somewhat less reliably as he gets older.   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET'$ Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:24 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET& Subject: RE: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM    ' > Be advised - it's a site in France...S     Yeah, i saw that.. ;-(  H Any info on which type of memory the AlphaStation 255 takes, and how th= ey have to be matched up?  H It has 8 banks, do I need 8 chips, or do they count as 2 banks, with a = need for 4 at a time?  C Dec has minimal info on this system, since its considered 'retired'i   Thanks.  Dave=n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:22:28 -06002C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> & Subject: Re: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COMH Message-ID: <craig.berry-3D675D.21222815032002@news.directvinternet.com>  K > Any info on which type of memory the AlphaStation 255 takes, and how they  > have to be matched up? > M > It has 8 banks, do I need 8 chips, or do they count as 2 banks, with a needh > for 4 at a time?  G I believe this system is essentially identical to the AlphaServer 300, e" for which docs are available here:  0 <http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/archive/300/>  A The 300 has two banks of 4 slots each.  The manual says you need e( matching sets of four rather than pairs.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.147 ************************