1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 148       Contents:% Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k % Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k % Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k ' Re: Adding Disks to a Alpha Server 2100 ' Re: Adding Disks to a Alpha Server 2100  Re: Andrew's back !  Re: compaction ratio on a TZ892 Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ?2 Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ?2 Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ?( Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux , Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?0 Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?0 Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?0 Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?0 Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?! Re: Netcraft Uptime For OpenVMS ? 4 Re: Online reference guide to ANSI/VT-ESC-commands ?4 Re: Online reference guide to ANSI/VT-ESC-commands ?0 Re: OT: AOL "whiners" for suing MS over Netscape0 Re: OT: AOL "whiners" for suing MS over Netscape RE: Question for Andrew # Re: Relax, it is just a merge . . . & Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC C& Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC C/ Re: Storing one's own metadata in file header ? / Re: Storing one's own metadata in file header ? / Re: Storing one's own metadata in file header ?  Re: Timing of vote Re: Timing of vote Re: Timing of vote Re: VFC File Problem8 Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMS9 Re: Walter Hewlett says HP board is really against merger ' Re: What do you think about Compaq.com?  RE: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:37:24 GMT 1 From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-comcast.net> . Subject: Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2kB Message-ID: <UEJk8.115585$uv5.8838778@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  L I've noticed similar problems with a 4 port KVM from Compaq.  I've found theK power-cycling the KVM while switched to the VMS system "cures" the problem.   H I've also got a 2 port Cybex on another system and have lost my mouse onG occasion when switching between Win98 and VMS.  At one point in time, I I found a sequence of commands related to the OPA device that would restore H proper operation of the mouse, but of course did not document it...  :^(   Aaron  --4 Aaron Sakovich  http://www.alphant.com/alphaman.html. "payin the bills with my mad programmin skills$  I got me a hundred gigabytes of RAM?  I never feed trolls and I don't read SPAM" (Wierd Al Yankovic)   6 Jim Strehlow <jimSnoSpam@data911.com> wrote in message* news:a6to7h$ncb@dispatch.concentric.net...6 > We are having problems with an A/B switch between an1 > Compaq OpenVMS Alpha and a Windows 2000 server. 5 > The keyboard does not work under certain scenarios.  :  :[snip]    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2002 16:46:06 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) . Subject: Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k0 Message-ID: <a6vsse$ron$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  ` In article <a6to7h$ncb@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Jim Strehlow" <jimSnoSpam@data911.com> writes:5 >We are having problems with an A/B switch between an 0 >Compaq OpenVMS Alpha and a Windows 2000 server.4 >The keyboard does not work under certain scenarios. > : >In a rack mounted unit is a Compaq OpenVMS Alpha computer >and a Windows 2000 server. @ >We have one Compaq Rack style keyboard (part number 158649-001)> >with its rollerball pointing device connected to a KVM switch8 >(Belkin Omniview E series 2 port model number F1DB102P) > 2 >Independently we can boot the Windows 2000 server >and the keyboard+mouse works.' >We can boot the OpenVMS Alpha computer  >and the keyboard+mouse works. > ? >With focus on the Windows 2000 server I remotely shut down the : >OpenVMS v7.3 Alpha computer (simulating some glitch where# >the Alpha could crash and reboot). : >When I later switch the a/b switch to the Alpha computer, >the keyboard no longer works. >  >When I shutdown with no reboot & >I just see the triple chevron prompt.1 >I can not type anything. The keyboard is "dead". G >Of course I just manually power off the Alpha and it reboots just fine ; >since I now have the focus of the a/b switch on the Alpha.  > = >When I shutdown with reboot, Alpha OpenVMS reboots just fine 5 >except when I switch the a/b switch back to OpenVMS, < >I can no longer type anything into the DECwindows username. > % >Has anyone constructed such systems, & >run into similar a/b switch problems,0 >and found a particular hardware solution to it?  L We tested various switches and found most of them not being suitable for VMSG Alphastations. We then went for the SeveView/UltraView series from Rose # Electronics http://www.rosel.com/ .   L There is one glitch, though: after a reboot the LK-keyboard connected to theK switch is not properlz recognized (some function keys don't work). You have K to connect a real LK-keyboard and press a few keys, then all is fine again.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:00:02 GMT 1 From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-comcast.net> . Subject: Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k@ Message-ID: <CKLk8.18829$1g.1123779@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  : Alphaman <alphaman64@nixspam-comcast.net> wrote in message< news:UEJk8.115585$uv5.8838778@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... : J > I've also got a 2 port Cybex on another system and have lost my mouse onI > occasion when switching between Win98 and VMS.  At one point in time, I K > found a sequence of commands related to the OPA device that would restore J > proper operation of the mouse, but of course did not document it...  :^(  H Just did some testing on the Cybex mouse problem I reported earlier, andI found that if the mouse is not responding, doing the following cleared it  up:     $ Open Mouse OPA3:   $ Close Mouse  I This is obviously not the most elegant way of doing it, but it worked for F me.  Other more obvious (at least to me) solutions did not work (e.g., SYSMAN IO AUTO /SEL=OP*).    Aaron  --4 Aaron Sakovich  http://www.alphant.com/alphaman.html. "payin the bills with my mad programmin skills$  I got me a hundred gigabytes of RAM?  I never feed trolls and I don't read SPAM" (Wierd Al Yankovic)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:17:15 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>0 Subject: Re: Adding Disks to a Alpha Server 2100& Message-ID: <3C930D9B.1090809@home.nl>  F No wonder. Digital/Compaq has its own firmware version. Which type do B you have ? There is an EISA and a PCI type. You also may need new G firmware, current version is 2.70 for PCI and 2.16 (AFAIK) for EISA. I  + have it all on a CD and can mail it to you.    Regards,   Dirk   rob kas wrote:   >  Hi  > 8 >I've been out to Mylex's Web Site and see nothing about7 > a Alpha Version of the COD diskette. Does anyone have  >the Alpha Version?  > ! >                          Thanks  >                           Rob  > . >"Cor Mom" <cor.mom@momss.nl> wrote in message8 >news:774640de.0203142211.10321d54@posting.google.com... >  >>Rob, >>C >>I think you will have to run a special RAID Configuration console E >>program (I cannot remember it's exact name) from the boot prompt. I E >>recently did it on a AlphaServer DS10 with the console program on a > >>floppy disk. It should have been delivered with your system. >>
 >>Regards, >>	 >>Cor Mom  >>7 >>"rob kas" <rob@paychoice.nospam.com> wrote in message  >>1 >news:<3c90d5c6$0$35567$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>...  >  >>>Hi  >>> 8 >>>  I have a Alpha Server 2100 with 2 Raid controllers.6 >>> Currently one is setup as RAID 5 and one is RAID 1I >>>  I'd like to add disks to the RAID 5 set , is there some magic needed  >>>  >to do >  >>>this? >>> ) >>>                                Thanks ) >>>                                 Rob K  >>>  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:51:45 GMT 3 From: "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> 0 Subject: Re: Adding Disks to a Alpha Server 2100; Message-ID: <BKKk8.104472$eb.4695761@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>   5 "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.nospam.com> wrote in message . news:3c926abc$0$35565$8e9e3842@news.atx.net... >   Hi > 9 > I've been out to Mylex's Web Site and see nothing about 8 >  a Alpha Version of the COD diskette. Does anyone have > the Alpha Version? >   4   If you have an alpha firmware update cd look on it3 in the /utility/swxcrmgr directory, otherwise go to  ftp.digital.com and look in:  : /pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v6.1/utility/swxcrmgr/ra200rcu.exe  B   You can find the latest firmware ( 2.70 ) in that same directory% and the program to load it (RA200FL).     C   note: the "v6.1" in the above path may change when newer versions   of the firmware CD are released.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:41:56 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Andrew's back !' Message-ID: <3C92B25B.CBDDAC17@fsi.net>    There goes the neighborhood...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:47:26 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: compaction ratio on a TZ89 ' Message-ID: <3C92B3A5.CE7BD9D1@fsi.net>    Peter wrote: > : > Does anyone know what the compaction ratio is on a TZ89?K > Is it hardware or software compaction (harware would be fixed ratio where  > soft could vary) > N > The tape is 35GB, but at the time I save more than 85GB on it and don't knowM > if I'm close to getting a message in the middle of the night asking to load ? > a second tape... I want to take measures before this happens.   E I currently have a TZ88 (via HSJ50) that's putting 57.8GB on a DLT-IV & cartridge. That's almost 3:1 (2.89:1).   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2002 19:47:58 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>; Subject: Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ? - Message-ID: <87k7sc91jl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   0 SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  0 > > > >  First header VBN                 :  624  D > Of course! It's the end of file mark, which is at 1633 blocks! So,F > with the first header VBN at 624, and 1010 total headers, 1010 + 624E > -1 = 1633. So blocks 624 thru 1633 are the headers! I realized this E > after receiving an e-mail from David J. Dachtera which pointed this D > out, and if he posted it too, I will respond to his other stuff in5 > that post when it becomes visible on my newsreader.   C And this brings up the question of why is the index file not in the  (LBN) center of the disk?   F Can some one from VMS explain this, I have seen it several times. BTW,? it is pointless to fiddle with the EOF pointer as you will gain C nothing, and the index file EOF has all sorts of funky stuff in the 1 XQP and locks to screw you and your data royally!   = Having MAXFILE > HEADERS would be a real good start though...    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:47:19 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> ; Subject: Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ? ) Message-ID: <3C933ED7.5BECB1C7@Omond.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:   E > And this brings up the question of why is the index file not in the  > (LBN) center of the disk?  > H > Can some one from VMS explain this, I have seen it several times. BTW,A > it is pointless to fiddle with the EOF pointer as you will gain E > nothing, and the index file EOF has all sorts of funky stuff in the 3 > XQP and locks to screw you and your data royally!    Eh ?  F The (bulk of the) index file is by default indeed at the centre of the disk.  What makes you think it's not ?   H Whoever initialised the disk would have had to change the default to get3 it elsewhere (e.g. /Index=Beginning or /Index=End).   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:40:27 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ; Subject: Re: DFU report wrong number of free file headers ? ' Message-ID: <3C92B1FF.5B448F4B@fsi.net>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > [snip]D > HOWEVER, you can't have more file headers than the size of the bitH > map. Since the original poster specified twice as many, who knows whatG > INITIALIZE actually did. Based on the size of his INDEXF.SYS, I would D > expect 2500000 headers, so I don't know why DFU reports much fewer > than that.  H Well, now we start to get down to the meat of the matter. Take a look atG the second volume of the System Services Reference Manual and check out F the description of the $INIT_VOL service, especially the INIT$_HEADERSD item code. It clearly states that this longword value must be in theD range between 16 and the value of INIT$_MAXFILES (either an explicitF MAXFILES value or the default). So, what INITIALIZE seems to have doneF was to take the lesser of /HEADERS and /MAXFILES and apply that as the$ value associated with INIT$_HEADERS.  A As to why DFU reports fewer free headers than one might expect, I H believe Jan Erik has the answer in his post, but I'll put it into my ownD words: You're looking at how much of the allocation of INDEXF.SYS isH currently in use or has ever been in use. As indicated, the EOF block isA set to a point well below the end of the current allocation. This G is not unusual, and you can probably observe it on your own systems. It E is only when the full allocation of INDEXF.SYS has been used that the E "free headers" count displayed by DFU approaches the value we seem to E expect to see. The EOF mark for INDEXF.SYS can be advanced, but it is + never decremented (unlike directory files).   E For example, if you have a scratch volume such as a disk set aside as D SORTWORK space, you may find that a DIR ddcu:[000000...]/GRAND showsD very few files, but the EOF and allocation size of INDEXF.SYS may beF very close to the same value if not identical. Such a volume obviouslyE will have more "free headers" than a newly initialized volume where a # large /HEADERS value was specified.    Does this make any sense?   E ...and yes, IMO, there probably should have been a message (or two or  three) issued in this case:   ? $ INITIALIZE ddcu volume_label/HEADERS=5000000/MAXFILES=2500000 B %INITIALIZE-W-TOOMANYHDRS, value of HEADERS cannot exceed MAXFILES/ -INITIALIZE-I-NEWHDRSVAL, using HEADERS=2500000    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:44:18 +0000 (UTC) , From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m>1 Subject: Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...) / Message-ID: <a6ven1$24g$1@paris.btinternet.com>   	 Hi Steve,   J Well done with Fortran! You must be over the moon with the way things have turned out.   H I notice that Fortran now also offers full support for 64 bit addresses.E Would you happen to know what's happening with any other languages in G particular COBOL. We have C, MACRO-32 and now Fortran. Do you ever come # across Don Braffit in your travels?    Regards Richard Maher.  6 Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> wrote in message2 news:58849u46vjkaldmpek465jhfduij27qgpo@4ax.com..., > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:11:11 GMT, ">>> ^P"( > <plj@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se> wrote: >  > >/ > >b > >Hi, > >p. > >Will we be able to use #include <xxx.h>   ? > >  >e' > Wrong language.  In Fortran, you say:e >n > include 'xxx.inc'o >c >n >tF > Please send Visual Fortran support requests to vf-support@compaq.com >e > Steve Lionel > Compaq Fortran Engineering > Intel Corporatione > Nashua, NH >a0 > Compaq Fortran - http://www.compaq.com/fortran > Intel Fortran -o; http://developer.intel.com/software/products/compilers/f50/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:57:34 -0800o" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux/ Message-ID: <u97512jk1us506@corp.supernews.com>e   Paul A. Jacobi wrote:    > 4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:i3l49u4m1cggqn4g98ibk8jgmmngj1790f@4ax.com... > 5 >> Maybe, just maybe if IA64 takes off and ends up in H >> laptops five years down the line I'll be able to do that but I expect9 >> Hammer laptops long before IA64 laptops appear if everf > F > Intel has consistantly said that IA-64 is a high-end SERVER chip andE > there are no intentions to make a low-end, low-cost implementation.  > L > There will never be any IA-64 laptop, just like there are no Xeon laptops. > : > Anand has a really good article on IA-64 vs. AMD Hammer: > 7 > http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1584&p=13t >   G That's odd,... IBM is selling a dual IA-64 workstation for around $15k.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:25:56 +0100-( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>5 Subject: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?m) Message-ID: <3C930194.4030603@bluewin.ch>b   Hi good folks,  I I have for the last few years used Lotus Notes for my email at work, but o7 unfortunately it is to be retired in favour of Lookout.m  E Please no rants about this, as the purpose of this request is how to  I move my extensive store of hints/tips/history over to VMS. For those who tH haven't used it, Lotus Notes is rather more than an email system, and I E have used it as an information database. (As part of this exercise I hG also wish to gain the tools/know-how to assist me in moving my private o, Windows/Linux mail onto my home VMS system).  > Exporting that information to text files is easy. Now for the I interesting bit - how to import it into VMS MAIL? Or other VMS solution,   if applicable.  F I have looked at DELIVER from the Freeware CDs, but the documentation E states "DELIVER  changes  the  "From:"  address  of  any  message  ite= delivers  or  forwards  to  the  address  of the owner of the H MAIL.DELIVERY file.", which I don't really want; I'd prefer to keep the  original "From:" address.s  C I really don't want to re-invent the wheel here, as it's a one-off  E requirement, but am prepared to spend quite some effort if necessary.j  E The home effort can involve anything covered by the Hobbyist license u@ (e.g. VMS Notes would be nice), but the one at work needs to be B something we have licenses for - DELIVER is written in Pascal for D example, and I don't think we've got that at work (though I have to 6 check - we may have it on some as yet unknown system).  E All constructive input welcome. I will endeavour to release anything  / useful that comes out of this for Freeware etc.o  D Again, please, no rants - I'm seeking to turn this opportunity into  something positive for VMS :-) __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandv   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:55:50 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?k+ Message-ID: <3C9316A3.5F87ED4@videotron.ca>W   Paul Sture wrote:rG > I have looked at DELIVER from the Freeware CDs, but the documentationtG > states "DELIVER  changes  the  "From:"  address  of  any  message  ita? > delivers  or  forwards  to  the  address  of the owner of the I > MAIL.DELIVERY file.", which I don't really want; I'd prefer to keep the. > original "From:" address.h  H 1- You may prefer to work with the FROM (and parse the TOs:) to make the% message replyable if that is desired.   J 2- Years ago, I recall having a command procedure that used decnet to sendL email with the MAIL11 protocol and it had the interesting capability to fakeN the TO:. I really don't recall its name. However, with that, you would be able% to provide the right "FROM" adresses.r  H 3- If you use the foreign mail protocol, you shoudl be able to provide aG replyiable email address, as do most foreign mail gateways for VMSmail.   R example program at: http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/collection/foreignmail.zip   (if it is still there).w   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:16:45 GMToL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")9 Subject: Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?s8 Message-ID: <00A0B019.156E6AE3@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  T In article <3C930194.4030603@bluewin.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes: >+? >Exporting that information to text files is easy. Now for the xJ >interesting bit - how to import it into VMS MAIL? Or other VMS solution,  >if applicable.h   Actually, not that hard.  G VMS Mail can still process sequential (unindexed) text mail files, like N we used to have in VMS versions prior to version 4.  If you want to experimentN before writing any code, you can go to your current VMS MAIL, select a folder, and do :   MAIL> EXTRACT/ALL filespec  G What ends up in filename is all your mail messages, each separated by aw	 formfeed.g   Now    MAIL> SET FILE filespecn  @ and notice that you can read individual messages, do a DIR, etc.  M You can import individual mail messages or the whole thing from this filespec ) back into your regular indexed mail file:   " MAIL> FILE/ALL NEWFOLDER  MAIL.MAI  M and mail will crank along, possibly taking a  while, but end up filing it all ) into NEWFOLDER in your regular mail file.i  G (One excessively cool thing is that you can actually file mail messagesnF directly into mail files on another system you can reach via DECnet or/ DECnet-over-IP; replace MAIL.MAI, above, with  sM node"username password"::[homedirectory.mail]MAIL.MAI  (modulo proxies, etc).3  M So you've just got to export your Lotus Notes message into a file - well, one F file per folder - that looks like the EXTRACT/ALL file and you're set.   -- Alang    O ===============================================================================a0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056nM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210aO ===============================================================================n   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2002 20:26:17 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>9 Subject: Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?n- Message-ID: <87bsdo8zrq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes:  F > I have for the last few years used Lotus Notes for my email at work,= > but unfortunately it is to be retired in favour of Lookout.e   ...   F > All constructive input welcome. I will endeavour to release anything1 > useful that comes out of this for Freeware etc.   E A bit of Googleing may be worth while. Alans post tickled the neuronso: that some one posted a nifty hack for this some time back.  + Can anyone remember when, or other details?    -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2002 08:07:08 -0800 From: sam@ratex.dk (Sam)9 Subject: Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?v< Message-ID: <d1111de.0203160807.13fe3295@posting.google.com>  0 The upcoming VMS 7.3-1 release has IMAP with it. Maybe you want to use that.r Sam.   winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A0B019.156E6AE3@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...V > In article <3C930194.4030603@bluewin.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes: > >oA > >Exporting that information to text files is easy. Now for the  L > >interesting bit - how to import it into VMS MAIL? Or other VMS solution,  > >if applicable.  >  > Actually, not that hard. > I > VMS Mail can still process sequential (unindexed) text mail files, likeeP > we used to have in VMS versions prior to version 4.  If you want to experimentP > before writing any code, you can go to your current VMS MAIL, select a folder,	 > and do a >  > MAIL> EXTRACT/ALL filespec > I > What ends up in filename is all your mail messages, each separated by aA > formfeed./ >  > Now  >  > MAIL> SET FILE filespec  > B > and notice that you can read individual messages, do a DIR, etc. > O > You can import individual mail messages or the whole thing from this filespecn+ > back into your regular indexed mail file:a > $ > MAIL> FILE/ALL NEWFOLDER  MAIL.MAI > O > and mail will crank along, possibly taking a  while, but end up filing it allt+ > into NEWFOLDER in your regular mail file.  > I > (One excessively cool thing is that you can actually file mail messages.H > directly into mail files on another system you can reach via DECnet or1 > DECnet-over-IP; replace MAIL.MAI, above, with  oO > node"username password"::[homedirectory.mail]MAIL.MAI  (modulo proxies, etc).r > O > So you've just got to export your Lotus Notes message into a file - well, oneTH > file per folder - that looks like the EXTRACT/ALL file and you're set. > 	 > -- Alana >  > Q > ===============================================================================d2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056IO >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210oQ > ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:09:43 GMT31 From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-comcast.net>y* Subject: Re: Netcraft Uptime For OpenVMS ?B Message-ID: <HmIk8.115126$uv5.8759601@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  4 Rick Barry <barry@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:z_7k8.982$fL6.22426@news.cpqcorp.net... :eK > I don't recall "uptime" ever being calculated for OpenVMS-based sites. We-L > just recently got Netcraft to recognize OpenVMS as an operating system (itK > used to come up as "other" or "unknown"). We'll ask the Netcraft folks ifs4 > they can determine that information. (If you go toJ > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/accuracy.html, you'll see the list of OS's for1I > which they don't provide uptime statistics. They don't say what they're * > using to come up with this information.)   Rick,t  J I don't think this will be possible.  Do a google search of comp.os.vms onE "netcraft uptime isn" and you'll find a post I made last year on thisi subject.  I Basically, because of the insecurity of those other OS's, their ISN's are G generated based on the system uptime, and this is what Netcraft uses totL deduce this figure.  OpenVMS does not expose that kind of info to the world,/ so Netcraft (nor crackers) can't deduce uptime.   K However, no one ever answered my query for a more definitive explanation ofAG how OpenVMS generates the ISN.  I suppose it could be that it is indeed K generated based on uptime and that Netcraft does not categorize it as such. I OTOH, I do seem to recall reading that such is NOT the case with OpenVMS,a< but my memory's not as reliable on a Saturday morning... 8^)   Aaronh --4 Aaron Sakovich  http://www.alphant.com/alphaman.html. "payin the bills with my mad programmin skills$  I got me a hundred gigabytes of RAM?  I never feed trolls and I don't read SPAM" (Wierd Al Yankovic)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:36:41 +0100c( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>= Subject: Re: Online reference guide to ANSI/VT-ESC-commands ? ) Message-ID: <3C930419.2050409@bluewin.ch>l   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:r   > Nice.TJ > But, IMHO, the text from the original manuals on www.vt100.net are a bit7 > better. And a lot of fun reading on that site too :-)f    ; And be sure to follow the link to Richard Shuford's site at   2 http://www.cs.utk.edu/~shuford/terminal_index.html  ! Some excellent reading there too.t __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:44:45 +0000 , From: Paul Williams <flo@uk.thalesgroup.com>= Subject: Re: Online reference guide to ANSI/VT-ESC-commands ?-2 Message-ID: <3C93686D.62AB5648@uk.thalesgroup.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:d > C > > I can get http://www.vt100.net and http://www.vt100.org to work  > > but not the .com variant.F > % > Right.  Also, the www. is optional.r  H vt100.com was already owned by a group called Geeklab when I was looking= for a VT-related domain name, so I grabbed the .org and .net.a  H Thanks for the recommendation! Luckily for me, my hosting company hasn'tC noticed that I'm currently running at twice the allowed traffic pere month. Heh heh.    - Paul   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2002 06:24:30 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.564897.killspam.00c7 (Wayne Sewell)M9 Subject: Re: OT: AOL "whiners" for suing MS over Netscapei. Message-ID: <GAovlmF9Mbbx@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  w In article <01KFE6G4CS6K8ZOX9C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:t    K > I think one could criticise Microsoft for introducing hidden features in tJ > IE which makes Netscape run slower (I think this actually happened), as K > well as for a web server which outputs a false message ("your browser is  B > not good enough") if it is not IE (again, I think this actually  > happened).    H Then there was the stuff that came out in the trial, mention of the codeI intended to make customers think DRDOS (competitor to MSDOS, from Digital J Research, I believe) wasn't working properly.  When Microsoft applicationsI determined they were running under DRDOS, they would deliberately fail inhL weird, non-obvious ways.  Which of course made the customer think that DRDOSN was unstable, when in fact it was far superior to MSDOS (what software *isn't* superior to billyware?).     --  O ===============================================================================aM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxt: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)eO ===============================================================================n= Society Lady:  Are you familiar with the Great Wall of China?i5        Curly:  No, but I know a big fence in Chicago!,   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:38:01 -0500i1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>59 Subject: Re: OT: AOL "whiners" for suing MS over Netscapeo2 Message-ID: <3C939109.F7E8FED1@firstdbasource.com>   Frank Sapienza wrote:0 > D > "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message. > news:kPCRPMh1qZyR14MMc=KdBl2yk6bk@4ax.com...$ > >     Why do you think he's wrong? > >- > > David R. Beatty  > M > AOL gave 10 free hours (then 100, then 1000) as an incentive to have peoplemN > sign up for its online service.  The software was never an item that you hadM > to purchase separately.  Neither was CompuServe's software, from what I cantM > remember.  As I see it, *both* AOL and CompuServe provided free software toaI > use their services, and AOL provided an additional incentive to attractnC > customers to what was a very expensive (IMHO) product -- that is,eM > time-billed connection and other charges.  Remember, in the early days theyrM > charged by the minute before competitive pressures and the Internet changedr > the landscape. > K > Neither Microsoft (at the time) or Netscape provided online services thatGI > required specialized software.  They are both in the business of makingHN > money from *selling* software.  This alone is a huge differentiation between > Microsoft's tactic and AOL's.  > H > Realizing that the browser would be a gateway to lots of other revenueL > streams, Microsoft chose to do what it didn't do with any other product inH > it's catalog:  give it away for free.  Or, if you buy into their view,J > incorporate it into Windows as a necessary component.  Either way, theirN > combined action of giving it away for free and limiting what system buildersG > could do with it (and competing browsers) was an attempt to eliminatei, > competition from other browser publishers. > H > Do we want to argue about whether the browser is part of the OS?  As aG > reasonably well-seasoned developer I know that the browser is just an I > application that relies on maybe three parts of the operating system --yH > network I/O, file I/O, and UI.  There isn't anyone in the world, in myJ > opinion, that can convince me that somehow the OS relies on the browser.E > What MS did was shift an OS configuration item (Internet connection I > settings) into the browser to try and support their argument. Since youcN > configure those things through Internet Explorer, and other applications andK > the OS rely on those settings, they claim the browser is necessary to theD > OS.: > I > If you want to compare AOL non-competitive practices, I would think thedC > first place to look is the IM protocol and AOL's efforts to limit-& > third-party products in that market.  H So far, Trillian appears to winning the battle.. .maybe not the war, butH most of the battles.  I like the idea of having one interface for ALL ofF my IM functions. I have friends on each and most of them only know howA to use one at a time.  The notion that Trillian is "hackin" theiroF network is simply bogus and AOL should give up on it.  If anyone readsF any of the blatant adverts have got to have their heads examined.  And6 they wonder where the spammers got their addresses....   >  > Franki   -- r Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163t7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comhD Sr. Consultant      CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE CONTRACT START   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:08:04 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: RE: Question for Andrew9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKENEEFAA.tom@kednos.com>D  D The following snippet is from one of our customers in response to anE email as to how soon they needed to get a new PL/I compiler for theirw	 new ES40.h   "...D Not yet. I've never in my life had so much trouble getting a machineK together.  It's a long story, and Compaq hasn't been of much help.  I can'tnD wait for the merger with HP...  Hopefully we'll be getting around to- installing software in the coming week or so.a ... "            > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Patrick Young [mailto:P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU]& > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:01 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms" > Subject: Re: Question for Andrew >  > 5 > David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message g) > news:<3C921CC3.5751F183@caltech.edu>...e > C > > where would Tom get the boot CD if he didn't already have one, o > what it wouldt) > > cost him, and how long would it take?r > ; > Here in Australia when I ordered my 7.3 distro last year:s > E > (1) From the PC distributor we use for PCs at work (Alfa Computer).lF > (2) AUS$420 (ex GST) - QA-MT1AA-H8 - which I consider good value for% >     what you get in the distro kit.o: > (3) Couple of weeks (don't remember the _exact timing_). > K > Hardware on the other hand - you have a very good point! - I can remembereK > waiting almost ***6 months*** for one piece of Compaq kit. We were making A > jokes about how they were probably building it for us and were   > disappointed= > when it arrived to note the mfg. date did not back this up.D >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:51:17 GMTl1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>h, Subject: Re: Relax, it is just a merge . . .' Message-ID: <3C92B48B.677067F8@fsi.net>-   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messager< > news:20020315181519.99498.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com...
 > > People > >e2 > > Have a nice weekend and relax with your family6 > > or girlfriends in this week end. Next week will be8 > > exciting for everybody, because we are participating9 > > in the HP X Compaq merge... Our  careers will change.a9 > > Our destiny will change. Our perspectives and visionsn5 > > will change. So, dont worry if HP will really buy & > > Compaq or not. Just stay "online". > >- > >  > > Have a nice weekend !!!4 > H > Likewise... and remember: this is something that a lot of us have been > through at least once before!i  C True. I've been laid off before 2000. I was out of work for most of.D 1985. Then again, I was single and living with my folks at the time.   -- a David J. Dachtera> dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:27:13 +0100h2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)/ Subject: Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC CV; Message-ID: <3c92f3d1.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e  1 Chris Doran (chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk) wrote: H > But be aware that DEC never got around to declaring function argumentsG > in their prototypes for any of the runtime libraries (at least not ind5 > any version I've met, but I've not got the latest).a  K That is not strictly true. If you #define __NEW_STARLET before #include'ing K the header files, prototyped versions of the declarations will be included.iI Unfortunately, there still are some quirks (IIRC, around quadword usage).r   cu,n   Martin -- iH    Emacs would be a great   | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer5    operating system,        | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de L    if only it came with     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/<    a decent editor...       | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2002 06:44:47 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.564897.killspam.00c7 (Wayne Sewell)u/ Subject: Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC Cr. Message-ID: <xCcQWK32OwuL@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  ] In article <a6t5jd$gpin3$1@ID-136223.news.dfncis.de>, "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com> writes:= >> >> Try LIB$WAIT(). >>+ > Thank you for the alternative suggestion.i > $ > Is this used as a normal RTL Call? > . > Cant seem to get it to function as expected. > The compiler reports:4 > Running CC...  > $ >   sleep_sts = lib$wait(SLEEPSECS); > ...............^E > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "lib$wait" isa$ > implicitly declared as a function.9 > at line number 47 in file ACCOUNTS:[RICH.CC]PROLST.C;90i >  > = > I didn't think the LIB$ Functions needed to be prototyped..p   Yes, they do.  See below.<  ; > I am including all of the necessary includes.. I believe:r > #include <descrip.h> > #include <jpidef.h>  > #include <ssdef.h> > #include <starlet.h> > #include <stdio.h> > #include <stdlib.h>t > #include <string.h>o   #include <lib$routines.h>f     > D > I am using other system calls in the code, and they DO function as@ > expected..  But the actual call is a bit different. I am using! > SYS$GETJPIW(); With no problems  >  >         K lib$ entry points are in lib$routines, system services are in starlet.  You 9 *are* using starlet, which is why SYS$GETJPIW is defined.     N Each of the rtl components (lib$, str$, mth$, ots$) has its own xxx$routines.h     -- CO ===============================================================================lM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxr: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)0O ===============================================================================.= Society Lady:  Are you familiar with the Great Wall of China?O5        Curly:  No, but I know a big fence in Chicago!    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:01:19 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: Storing one's own metadata in file header ?> Message-ID: <PJEk8.7155$r8.582766@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  G The kind of thing you suggest below is what NTFS's user-definable namedbG attributes are intended to support.  Of course, name collisions are theqL responsibility of the user to sort out, but they do provide a fairly generalG mechanism for associating *multiple* (out-of-band) characteristics with,@ files (which a single field of the type you describe would not).   - bill  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C92EA77.658C5073@videotron.ca...K > Does RMS have any "user defined" field in the file headers/FAB/XAB blockse ?a >oL > For instance, if one wanted to store and application ID or file type ( laA > Macintosh) could one use any fields to store such small bits of 
 information ?d >dL > Could the RMS semantics field be used to store user-defined types in there ?  >nI > For instance, if in the future, one would want to have icons associated  withL > files, one would have a database of icons, each with some ID, and then you > store that ID in the file. >iJ > And far as the semantics flag, I think that it would be very cool if one couldlL > provide user defined file semantics with a user written shareable image toJ > provide the access to the file, in the same way that one can TYPE a DDIF fileJ > to a character cell terminal and it shows only the text portion etc etc. >XE > With the CDA converters no longer finctioning properly with all the= various=L > version mismatch, perhaps it would be time to really review the use of the RMSOE > semantics tag and expand it, allowing third parties to do somethingLG > interesting with it. (for instance, being able to type an HTML file).    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:07:37 GMT=- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>=8 Subject: Re: Storing one's own metadata in file header ?* Message-ID: <3C9361C8.3080700@qsl.network>   JF Mezei wrote:aM > Does RMS have any "user defined" field in the file headers/FAB/XAB blocks ?$ > L > For instance, if one wanted to store and application ID or file type ( laP > Macintosh) could one use any fields to store such small bits of information ?   A See section 12.5 of the OpenVMS Record Management Service Manual,r. Compound Document Support (XAB$_..._SEMANTICS)  N > Could the RMS semantics field be used to store user-defined types in there ?  H Possibly, I am not quite sure where the documentation for this would be.  N > For instance, if in the future, one would want to have icons associated withL > files, one would have a database of icons, each with some ID, and then you > store that ID in the file. > P > And far as the semantics flag, I think that it would be very cool if one couldL > provide user defined file semantics with a user written shareable image toO > provide the access to the file, in the same way that one can TYPE a DDIF fileSJ > to a character cell terminal and it shows only the text portion etc etc. > M > With the CDA converters no longer finctioning properly with all the various,P > version mismatch, perhaps it would be time to really review the use of the RMSE > semantics tag and expand it, allowing third parties to do something G > interesting with it. (for instance, being able to type an HTML file).t  ; I think that this has been mentioned on comp.os.vms before.   C As an alternative, an ACE could be used to store some of the extra   information.   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:31:53 -0500w  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>8 Subject: Re: Storing one's own metadata in file header ?/ Message-ID: <1020316102430.22171D@Ives.egh.com>-  $ On Sat, 16 Mar 2002, JF Mezei wrote:  L > Does RMS have any "user defined" field in the file headers/FAB/XAB blocks=  ? >=20L > For instance, if one wanted to store and application ID or file type (=E0=  lahL > Macintosh) could one use any fields to store such small bits of informati= on ?=20a  A You can put anything you want in the files attributes, but if youoG conflict with RMS, RMS won't like it.  There are 32 bytes of attributesrH and RMS doesn't use all of them.  In ROSS/V, I stashed some flags in theC 27th byte and the RTS name (RAD50) in 28-31 (counting from 0).  RMS-D seems perfectly happy with these files, though things like COPY drop+ the info.  (BACKUP preserves all the bits.)u  A ACLs disn't exist at the time, but I think the right way to do it-? would be to use informational ACLs.  I don't think there is anye? limit on these, they won't conflict with existing usage (if yourA are careful about the name space) and you have a better chance of A retaining them when moving files around.  If I were to do it over B again, I would probably use ACL's to store my flags and RTS names.   >=20L > Could the RMS semantics field be used to store user-defined types in ther= e ?  >=20L > For instance, if in the future, one would want to have icons associated w= ithhL > files, one would have a database of icons, each with some ID, and then yo= uT > store that ID in the file. >=20L > And far as the semantics flag, I think that it would be very cool if one = couldpL > provide user defined file semantics with a user written shareable image t= oXL > provide the access to the file, in the same way that one can TYPE a DDIF = fileJ > to a character cell terminal and it shows only the text portion etc etc. >=20L > With the CDA converters no longer finctioning properly with all the vario= usL > version mismatch, perhaps it would be time to really review the use of th= e RMSoE > semantics tag and expand it, allowing third parties to do somethingnG > interesting with it. (for instance, being able to type an HTML file).  >=20 >=20   --=20  John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:47:08 +0100e( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: Timing of voteh' Message-ID: <3C93068C.70607@bluewin.ch>s   Terry C. Shannon wrote:h  2 > "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message+ > news:u94873r2a0d306@news.supernews.com...t > H >>Voting has been going on for quite some time, I cast my votes February >> > 19th.= > I >>March 19th/20th is when the voting ends.  It's unknown how long it will@ >> > take > K >>to tally the votes, you can vote via the internet, telephone or mail (andoJ >>probably in person too).  If the vote is close it might take a long time >> > to > L >>declare a winner and I'm sure there will be lots of recounts.   I receivedH >>my ballots three different times so I could have voted my shares three >> > timesa > + >>and they would have had to sort that out.a >> >  > Umm, yep!0 > , > The Big Winners in this deal thus far are: > F > Proxy Solicitors (telephone banks, letters, PPTs, faxes, billboards, > skywriting, etc) > ( > The Media (over $100M in advertising). > I > Overnight Delivery Services (lots o' Fedex and Airborne missives flyinge	 > about).C >  > L > Regardless of how this thing turns out, and regardless of when an officialH > victor is declared, one has to wonder how stockholders will react to aI > triple-digit-million dollar expenditure and its impact on 1FQ financial  > results. ;-} > a And after that, if it goes through, the millions involved in changing logos, letterheads et al...b     __
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandC   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:31:03 GMTd* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Timing of votepC Message-ID: <H3kk8.243513$pN4.14478769@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>r  K I've read that there's reason to expect that the result may not be known bymE the April 1st date when the details for the merger are supposed to bee
 announced.  H Part of the problem is that people may vote (and submit proxies) as manyK times as they want to, and only their last vote/submission counts.  So theyeG have to winnow out any proxies that got superseded by later ones (or byf  voting presence at the meeting).  H And there's the problem of deciding whether a proxy has an indication ofL preference (because if it doesn't Carly gets to say it's a pro-merger vote).* Hope everyone marks them *very* clearly...  = And of course if it's at all close recounts will be demanded.y   - bill  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagea  news:3C91B0D1.CAAB339@aaa.com...G > Isn't this kind of votings often finished during the actual meeting ? J > When the chairman slams his gavel in the table and declares the result ? >rJ > Wew are not talking about 250 mill people voting for a president here... >nF > And the result will probably be controlled by a rather few number ofF > large shareholders, so you could possible decide the outcome without > any computers at all...  >o > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  >p > JF Mezei wrote:v > >m  > > Next tuesday is the big day. > >w@ > > Does anyone have details on how/when the vote will proceed ? > >tJ > > Will holders of proxy votes have pre-tallied their votes put them in a sealedI > > envelope, let those shareholders who are present vote and then reveald theh
 > > results ?o > >tH > > If one has sent in their proxy vote by mail, can they show up at the meetingmC > > and vote again, or are there computers that provide the list of  shareholders3 > > who have voted by proxy and those who haven't ?t > >dG > > Do computer allow for some results to be published the same day (at. around8 > > what time of day ?) or will this be a long process ? > > I > > Since Compaq is taking a vote the next day, is it fair to assume thato there isI > > the expectation that the HP vote would be known before Compaq has itsi	 meeting ?  > >mK > > I realise that there the results may be contested in a long "chad" typea fight,L > > but I am more interested in knowing the early results. . Any chance they woulda7 > > make the 18:00 newscasts in eastern north america ?  >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:13:33 GMTt1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>U Subject: Re: Timing of voteT9 Message-ID: <11Ek8.28198$44.6780687@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>   5 "Paul Sture" <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote in message@! news:3C93068C.70607@bluewin.ch...  > Terry C. Shannon wrote:E  E > > Regardless of how this thing turns out, and regardless of when ano officialJ > > victor is declared, one has to wonder how stockholders will react to aK > > triple-digit-million dollar expenditure and its impact on 1FQ financiale > > results. ;-} > >tG > And after that, if it goes through, the millions involved in changingu logos, letterheads et al...t >m  I I seem to recall that DEC spent $8M (or was it $12M?) USD redesigning itsnI logo. They changed the dots on the "i's" in the digital logo. Period. ;-}    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:25:33 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: VFC File Problemn) Message-ID: <3C92F36D.3000108@bluewin.ch>h  ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:2   >  > 7 >>A couple of discoveries which arose from this thread.t >>4 >>1. DSNlink articles appear to be alive and well at >>$ >>http://askq.compaq.com/askopenvms/ >>" >>No username / password required. >>G >>For example, typing the following into the dialogue box brings up the  >>article Norman quoted: >>= >>Converting VFC-formatted Files To Sequential Variable Filesr >> >> > - > Thank you for finding and sharing the link.e > F > (It's odd that searching www.openvms.compaq.com does not find this.) >  > F >>I tried this program, and didn't really like the output as it stuffsJ >>multiple <CR><LF> characters into the current record - TECO again to the7 >>rescue to convert VFC files into something emailable.h >> >> > K > That's fine.  What you use depends on what you want to do with the output-    > But now I have the source, I can fix that to my own liking :-)  3 > It's great that there is more than one solution. i  > >  Of course, if TECO ever does go away or get "fixed" you now >       have an alternative. >   I Which begs the question "Will TECO survive the port to IPF?". I hope so, 11 but realise that other things must take priority.e   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:36:55 -0500e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>A Subject: Re: Viability of a Commercial ISO-9960 formatter for VMS 6 Message-ID: <1020316082750.22171A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  - On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, David J. Dachtera wrote:S   > John Santos wrote: > > 1 > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, David J. Dachtera wrote:- > >  > > > John Santos wrote: > > > >  > > > > Much snippage... > > > > 5 > > > > On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, David J. Dachtera wrote:t > > > > > Carl Perkins wrote:e > > > > > >f
 > > > > [...] P > > > > > > Normally you also get a package of other licenses too, NAS or EIS or > > > > > > whatever.a	 > > > > >tA > > > > > Yes - if you buy them, you get them. If not, you don't.a	 > > > > > 9 > > > > > > }Want networking? Sorry, that's extra (or was-  > > > > > > }up until recently). > > > > > >:P > > > > > > This is only the case if by "recently" you mean "for the last decade1 > > > > > > or more". And that's only talking IP,f	 > > > > >9P > > > > > I don't recall UCX being included in the OVMS base license much before( > > > > > about 1998 or so, maybe later.	 > > > > >r' > > > > > > DECnet has been there a loty > > > > > > longer.n	 > > > > >iQ > > > > > I don't recall either DECnet end-node or Routing-IV ever being includedtN > > > > > in the base OVMS license. You always had to buy them separately, andO > > > > > choose one or the other. Of course, DECnet-IV for OVMS-Alpha does nottM > > > > > provide the routing functionality. DVNETEND is the best you can do.t	 > > > > >  > > > >uM > > > > When we got our first Alpha, a 3000-300 in late 1993, it came bundlede > > > > with NAS-250,v > > >e > > > NAS-250 is not OVMS-BASE.  > > @ > > I didn't say it was.  I said it was *BUNDLED* with VMS.  Who> > > cares if it is a separate PAK if there is no extra charge? > H > I wasn't aware that such was the case. When did NAS start to come free > with OVMS-BASE?   C I don't know, but it was included with ours 8+ years ago. as I said  directly above.h  A NAS (or successor) has been included with every VMS system I haved? bought or spec'ed for a customer since then, in the base system( cost.   = Of course you are paying for it, TANSTAAFL, but it is *NOT* aa? separate line item, and the total cost of a bare CPU + licensesp; for the things we want that were included in NAS + optionall@ hardware we need (system disk, ethernet interface, memory beyond@ minimal) that was included in the bundled system was always muchB more than the bundled system including base VMS, NAS, more memory,? some necessary hardware, so it always made sense to buy it this A way.  Even if we didn't need UCX, we still usually needed DECnet,iB DECWindows, clustering, etc. that was included in the NAS license,6 so getting the bundled system was always a no-brainer.   -- u John Santos> Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:27:47 GMTh* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>B Subject: Re: Walter Hewlett says HP board is really against mergerC Message-ID: <6kwk8.246279$pN4.15096019@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>y  . "Tom Cole" <tom.cole@sas.com> wrote in message) news:a6td2b$p51$1@license1.unx.sas.com...hG > In the webcast, Walter Hewlett says that he never would have voted int favor$L > of the merger as a board member if he hadn't been advised by legal council= > that he could then oppose it individually as a shareholder.  >hL > I guess I'm uninformed about the complexities of being a board member of a > major company,  G Apparently.  Early-on, Hewlett explained his actions.  The terms of theyK merger agreement required a unanimous BoD vote to approve the terms as they=G stood.  It was clear that the merger was going to go forward whether heGK voted to approve or not, but had he voted nay it would have opened the door H to renegotiating the terms and he suspected that this would result in HP> paying more for Compaq than the previously-agreed-upon amount.  K Hence his vote was in the interest of saving HP money in the event that therH merger was consummated, but he made it clear to the board at the time heL voted that if the stockholder vote were held under the circumstances of that) date he would oppose it as a stockholder.s  
 Clear now?  9  but I would have thought that if Mr. Hewlett thought thetK > merger was wrong, then as a board member he should vote against it in thelG > best interests of HP... not "go along, only later to run rogue" as hep seemsi > to these days. >mL > The implication he seems to be trying to promote is that lots of the boardG > members felt the same way, and just went along for a variety of vaguefK > reasons not related to their true feelings... if the HP board votes partydL > line like this all the time, I'd think that HP stockholders at large would* > want a new board (Mr. Hewlett included). >eK > I can see the quarterly summary accounting statements now... "HP incurredt a I > one-time charge of $27.5 million promoting the merger and engaging in ae) > spin-war with it's own board."  Sheesh.t >  >t" > [$0.02 debited from petty cash.] >s >a? > "Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in messages4 > news:3c922747.321592215@proxy.news.easynews.com...H > > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:16:24 +0000, Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>
 > > wrote: > >eK > > >In a webcast available at http://www.pressnews.net/hp/index_live.htm , K > > >Walter Hewlett suggests the rest of the board back him and are againstaK > > >Carly but cannot say so publicly because of legal concerns. Well worth  > > >a listen. > >tI > > If that is the case, why did they vote for it in the first place?  OrnA > > is Walter claiming the board has changed its collective mind?-  K I suspect Walter is suggesting that most of the board finds it difficult to 1 stand up to Carly, which would not be surprising.o   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:39:48 GMT>1 From: "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-comcast.net>i0 Subject: Re: What do you think about Compaq.com?@ Message-ID: <7HJk8.41217$1m.3125802@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  9 Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote in messagee5 news:000001c1cc85$40717aa0$cc96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8...o@ > I thought maybe the GROUP would like to respond to this one !!; > Maybe a mention of their money making operating systems??i : I > Compaq Values Your Opinions! All those that complete the survey will bes7 > entered into a drawing to win a Compaq iPAQ computer.n  J Oh, great, that's it...  Just tell the whole freakin' world about it!  Now" I'll *NEVER* win the iPAQ!.... ;^)  	 <chuckle>s Aaron  --4 Aaron Sakovich  http://www.alphant.com/alphaman.html. "payin the bills with my mad programmin skills$  I got me a hundred gigabytes of RAM?  I never feed trolls and I don't read SPAM" (Wierd Al Yankovic)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:17:54 -0500l  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>& Subject: RE: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM6 Message-ID: <1020316100207.22171C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ( On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  6 > They take 72 pin ECC SIMMs just like the 200 4/166s. >   7 I got 3 pairs of these (64MB/SIMM) for some 200 4/100'st; about a month ago from http://chipmerchant.com/10355-0.htmle6 at $36/SIMM, but they took a month to ship (apparently; they had problems finding them), and they are now listed at,: $79/SIMM.  This never happened to me before.  Normaly when- I buy memory, the price immediately plummets.i  8 At the time, I also checked Crucial but they didn't have any.  9 BTW, these are parity, not ECC, SIMMS.  But I thought ECCc8 memory worked by storing the ECC info in the parity bits6 of multiple bytes (i.e. 8 ECC bits for each 64 bits of7 memory), and the ECC calculation/comparison was done ine9 the CPU memory adapter.  In other words, there isn't such ; a thing as ECC memory per se, just a more sophisticated usef of the memory parity bits.  9 (I know there are SIMMS that fake the parity by computingn7 it on each byte and sending the computed parity back toe8 the CPU, but this defeats the whole point of parity, and: would obviously fail for ECC.  I've seen memory advertised7 as "True Parity" which I think means it doesn't performt this bogosity.)   8 > *My* memory says that they need to go in in pairs, and5 > if you've got pairs of different sizes, put them inC& > biggest pair first down to smallest. > 	 > WWWebb, D > whose memory seems to ECC somewhat less reliably as he gets older. >  > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETy& > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:24 PMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET( > Subject: RE: WWW.DIGITAL-EQUIPMENT.COM >  > ) > > Be advised - it's a site in France...l >  >  > Yeah, i saw that.. ;-( > K > Any info on which type of memory the AlphaStation 255 takes, and how they  > have to be matched up? > M > It has 8 banks, do I need 8 chips, or do they count as 2 banks, with a needh > for 4 at a time? > E > Dec has minimal info on this system, since its considered 'retired't > 	 > Thanks.. > Dave >    -- s John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.148 ************************> provide the access to the file, in the same way that one can TYPE a DDIF = fileJ > to a character cell terminal and it shows only the text portion etc etc. >=20L > With the CDA converters no longer finctioning properly with all the vario= usL > version mismatch, perhaps it would be time to really review the use of th= e RMSoE > semantics tag and expand it, allowing third parties to do somethingnG > interesting with it. (for instance, being able o_    o_    o_    o_    o_    o_    o_    o_    o_    	o_    
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