1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 18 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 151       Contents:% Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k  CLUSTER CONFIG Re: decnet phase IV -> phase V Re: Getting info on voting day Re: Getting info on voting day Re: Getting info on voting day Re: Getting info on voting day Re: Getting info on voting day Re: Getting info on voting day Re: Getting info on voting day Re: Getting info on voting day' Re: HP Unix servers plunge below $1,000 ' Re: HP Unix servers plunge below $1,000 ' Re: HP Unix servers plunge below $1,000 A Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux P Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux (and hav0 Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?7 Jade Entertainment Group, Inc. PUBLIC OFFERING DECLARED + Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads 0 Re: OT: AOL "whiners" for suing MS over Netscape( Q: DEClaser3500, VMS, IP address change? Re: Resource block chains ' Re: Steps for installation OVMS 6.2 1H3  Re: SWCC Re: Talk about downtime....  Re: Talk about downtime....   Re: Tape compaction performance?  Re: Tape compaction performance?D Re: TCPIP, sharing sockets via $QIO (programming, long and detailed) UK VMS Systems Manager.  Re: UK VMS Systems Manager. / UK- Anyone got a spare LN06 DC controller card?  VAXstation 3100 M38 went dead   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:05:27 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> . Subject: Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k3 Message-ID: <7L5l8.1068$fL6.23311@news.cpqcorp.net>   H Well, that is a novel idea. Suprised that it worked.  But what the heck.  G In any case, I'm getting a little tired of re-explaining this.  VMS and I Tru64 operate the keyboard in scan set 3 mode, Windows operates it in the J default mode.  X11 wants to see single keystrokes, and see the up and downL events for all the keys.  Scan set 3 mode makes the most sense.  Parsing theK crap the KB does in the default mode is a pain in the arse.  The best thing L that a switch can do for VMS or Tru64 is to generate a KB power-up sequence,I which will cause it to resend the KB setup.  On the Windows side, it just  wants to reset the KB.  J If you power up VMS without the KB connected, the driver will end up stuckK waiting for a response to a KB reset command it sends - and it never gets a 3 response to.  So, power cycle the switch or the KB.   K The assign/deassign of the mouse will cause INDRIVER to cause a reset.  I'd " be suprised if this resets the KB.      < "Alphaman" <alphaman64@nixspam-comcast.net> wrote in message: news:CKLk8.18829$1g.1123779@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...< > Alphaman <alphaman64@nixspam-comcast.net> wrote in message> > news:UEJk8.115585$uv5.8838778@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > : L > > I've also got a 2 port Cybex on another system and have lost my mouse onK > > occasion when switching between Win98 and VMS.  At one point in time, I E > > found a sequence of commands related to the OPA device that would  restore L > > proper operation of the mouse, but of course did not document it...  :^( > J > Just did some testing on the Cybex mouse problem I reported earlier, andK > found that if the mouse is not responding, doing the following cleared it  > up:  >  >  $ Open Mouse OPA3:  >  $ Close Mouse > K > This is obviously not the most elegant way of doing it, but it worked for H > me.  Other more obvious (at least to me) solutions did not work (e.g., > SYSMAN IO AUTO /SEL=OP*).  >  > Aaron  > --6 > Aaron Sakovich  http://www.alphant.com/alphaman.html0 > "payin the bills with my mad programmin skills& >  I got me a hundred gigabytes of RAMA >  I never feed trolls and I don't read SPAM" (Wierd Al Yankovic)  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:04:27 +1200 & From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> Subject: CLUSTER CONFIG < Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6157F2@EXCHSVR>  K I have two nodes( Node A (1st machine)  and Node B (2nd machine)) forming a J cluster and on the network. Shadowing is enable.  I did an image backup ofL the system disk and restore onto the new servers.  I modified the node name,H id etc.. for these two new nodes (Node C and Node D)  Now when I connectJ Node C (first machine) to the network, it creates bugcheck dump and rebootK my itself.  I guess something to do with cluster_config... it still looking  for node B. I How can I fix this?   I executed cluster_config to remove a node from the J cluster. but couldn't get the right system disk for the node to be removed
 ie Node B.   Can someone help please.     AB   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:13:00 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> ' Subject: Re: decnet phase IV -> phase V 6 Message-ID: <3C94F8CC.7455B240@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   Jim,F You might want to take a look at DECNET_MIGRATE.EXE and, specifically, DECNET_MIGRATE CONVERT  G It may not provide NCL alternatives for all that you use in NCP, but it  will be a start.  F Try setting the symbol MD to "run sys$update:decnet_migrate conv comm" Then MD "SHOW NODE VMS1"B It should give an equivalent command like SHOW NODE {{{VMS1}}} ALL STATUS  B DECNET_REGISTER.EXE is used to maintain the local address tower in@ DECnet-Plus.  This means that you have to run DECNET_REGISTER toE register all of the nodenames that you would previously have used the D NCP commands to register.  You can script the nodename registrations$ using something like the following :    $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECNET_REGISTER REGISTER NODE LOCAL:.VMS1 1 MODIFY NODE LOCAL:.VMS1 ADDRESS 30.1 SYNONYM VMS1   C Once you have all of the nodes registered once (including the local F node!!) you can then use the menu within decnet_register.exe to exportF the node definitions to an external file which can then be re-imported on other nodes.   H LOCAL is used as the default to refer to the address tower local to thisC machine.  DOMAIN is the address tower which is used for DECnet over < TCP/IP functionality so that you can do things like SET HOSTF IP$10.25.52.12 and use the IP$ipaddress for DECnet functions.  A wholeF new world opens up that the network manager in your organisation would- never know about unless you told him....  :-)    HTH. Steve.   Jim Strehlow wrote:  > - > How do you get from there (DECnet Phase IV) 2 > to here (DECnet Phase V/DECnet-Plus/DECnet-OSI)? > * > My favorite MCR NCP commands have become2 > menu items via sys$manager:net$configure.com and > mcr decnet_register ) > (NCP> SET NODE n.n NAME nodename failed 3 > with %NCP-W-UNRCMP, unrecognized component, node)  > F > I used MCR decnet_register 's option 2 to configure a Phase IV node. > 5 > It did not yet allow me to do a $ SET HOST nodename  > to that Phase IV nodename. > = > I want to get to the point where I can do the equivalent of % > NCP> COPY KNOWN NODES FROM nodename , >    USING PERMANENT TO PERMANENT WITH PURGE >  > Any help is appreciated. > Is that an FAQ somewhere? = > Is there a "guide to migrate Phase IV to Phase V/-Plus/OSI"  > (whatever its name is)?  >  > Thank you. > ) > Jim Strehlow, Data911, jimS@data911.com  > Alameda, CA, USA   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:23:36 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ' Subject: Re: Getting info on voting day , Message-ID: <3C950956.BB97AE17@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: N > Bear in mind that if the HWP election is close, the results may not be knownN > for days, if not weeks. Not only will the proxy solicitors have to count allN > the ballots, they'll have to eliminate duplicate ballots and ensure that theE > LAST ballot each shareholder sends in is the ballot that's counted.   J Wouldn't proxies have been counted already ? And aren't there computers toM count the votes and deal with the duplicates ? If you show up at the meeting, P when you register, wouldn't they just automatically "uncount" your proxy votes ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:52:57 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>' Subject: Re: Getting info on voting day = Message-ID: <Ze8l8.59874$ZR2.30447@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C950956.BB97AE17@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: J > > Bear in mind that if the HWP election is close, the results may not be known L > > for days, if not weeks. Not only will the proxy solicitors have to count all L > > the ballots, they'll have to eliminate duplicate ballots and ensure that the G > > LAST ballot each shareholder sends in is the ballot that's counted.  > L > Wouldn't proxies have been counted already ? And aren't there computers toF > count the votes and deal with the duplicates ? If you show up at the meeting,J > when you register, wouldn't they just automatically "uncount" your proxy votes ?   I Other than what I've read in the press, I don't know much about the lurid I details of the counting procedure. I would hope that HP can handle things J expeditiously, but at the very least the HP ballots have to be transportedJ (in great secrecy, no doubt) back to the Newark, Delaware, USA digs of IVS Co.   I I won't be at the HP meeting as I do not own any HWP shares. I will be at J the Compaq event, though. If anything interesting transpires I will post a summary.  G By the way, Compaq internally is saying that the results won't be known L until early next month, but that information is a couple of weeks old now...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:55:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ' Subject: Re: Getting info on voting day , Message-ID: <3C951EE5.EDDE8FF9@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: I > By the way, Compaq internally is saying that the results won't be known N > until early next month, but that information is a couple of weeks old now...  M Carly said many times that by April 1/2, HP will be telling its customers the N news of the 3 year product roadmap. Is it possible that Carly would be totallyL clueless on the mechanics of the vote counting , thinking that she will know the outcome very quickly ?  F Also, why would Compaq have scheduled its vote on the day after HP's ?F Wouldn't it be to Compaq's advantage to vote once the outcome of HP isN official ? (eg: of you know HP killed the deal, then it pays for Compaq to sayK "Yes I do", so that it may benefit from the cancellation penalties HP would  have to pay Compaq.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:01:20 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: Getting info on voting day 1 Message-ID: <4f9l8.22211$5Id.3612@news2.bloor.is>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C951EE5.EDDE8FF9@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: K > > By the way, Compaq internally is saying that the results won't be known I > > until early next month, but that information is a couple of weeks old  now... > K > Carly said many times that by April 1/2, HP will be telling its customers  the H > news of the 3 year product roadmap. Is it possible that Carly would be totally I > clueless on the mechanics of the vote counting , thinking that she will  know > the outcome very quickly ? > H > Also, why would Compaq have scheduled its vote on the day after HP's ?H > Wouldn't it be to Compaq's advantage to vote once the outcome of HP isL > official ? (eg: of you know HP killed the deal, then it pays for Compaq to say G > "Yes I do", so that it may benefit from the cancellation penalties HP  would  > have to pay Compaq.   H They mail out proxy cards, and you can also show up at the door and vote" with it on the day of the meeting.I Each proxy has to be scrutinized to make sure it's valid, whether mailed, G voted in person, or otherwise tendered (think brokerage firms acting on  client behalf). K Then they have to check for duplicates, ie. Mrs. Jones voted No on March 1, J then Yes on the 5th, then No again on the 11th. They have to find the most recent one.    Then they can start to count.     C But as to Carly & Co., she figured to have the thing overwhelmingly J approved, like a vote in the old Soviet Union, where 99.8% of the populaceK supposedly voted, and 99.9999999% of those that voted cast their ballots in 9 favor of the Politbureau. Those that dissented were shot.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:18:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ' Subject: Re: Getting info on voting day , Message-ID: <3C95241E.88E6E31B@videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote: E > But as to Carly & Co., she figured to have the thing overwhelmingly L > approved, like a vote in the old Soviet Union, where 99.8% of the populaceM > supposedly voted, and 99.9999999% of those that voted cast their ballots in ; > favor of the Politbureau. Those that dissented were shot.   I Well, at the time I heard her talk about giving customers the low down on F product roadmaps just 10 days after the vote, she already know about a$ non-trivial opposition to her plans.  L Wouldn't HP look mighty incompetent if it had to come out and say "Sorry, weM hand,t thought about actually havuing to count ballots, so the news will have J to way 2 months, 3 supreme court challenges and will finally be settled byF some paid jury who wont authorize the counting of all ballots" :-) :-)  ? Carly set expectations of a very quick resolution of this vote.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:11:26 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>' Subject: Re: Getting info on voting day = Message-ID: <Ogal8.60450$ZR2.30530@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C95241E.88E6E31B@videotron.ca... > John Smith wrote: G > > But as to Carly & Co., she figured to have the thing overwhelmingly E > > approved, like a vote in the old Soviet Union, where 99.8% of the  populaceL > > supposedly voted, and 99.9999999% of those that voted cast their ballots in= > > favor of the Politbureau. Those that dissented were shot.  > K > Well, at the time I heard her talk about giving customers the low down on H > product roadmaps just 10 days after the vote, she already know about a& > non-trivial opposition to her plans.  @ One might surmise she misjudged the magnitude of the opposition.   > K > Wouldn't HP look mighty incompetent if it had to come out and say "Sorry,  weJ > hand,t thought about actually havuing to count ballots, so the news will haveL > to way 2 months, 3 supreme court challenges and will finally be settled byH > some paid jury who wont authorize the counting of all ballots" :-) :-)  I After the Bush/Algore debacle, Carly could always say, "It's the American 
 Way!"  ;-}   > A > Carly set expectations of a very quick resolution of this vote.   L So it would appear. Thus far the only victors are the trade press, which has7 raked in over $100M in incremental advertising revenue.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:15:56 GMT " From: bugs@pu.net (Mark Hittinger)' Subject: Re: Getting info on voting day C Message-ID: <w5cl8.277276$pN4.17806723@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>M  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:M >So it would appear. Thus far the only victors are the trade press, which hasp8 >raked in over $100M in incremental advertising revenue.  M Heh!  Well lets not forget the strategists at Dell, IBM, Sun, Apple, Gateway, L etc that have lots of extra time to work on their respective firms' response3 to either the merger or the collapse of the merger.U  J If HWP fails to acquire CPQ then one can assume that there will still be aI "growth through acquisition" team at work within HWP looking for another eH target.  If HWP succeeds in the merger than the competitors will have a O window to try and gain beach heads within large HWP/CPQ customer installations.m  L While I'm betting that the tally of the CPQ shareholders will be "no" we canI suppose that it does happen and consider IBM+DELL as a strategic responsel= or Sun+Apple+Gateway as a strategic response.  Possibly both!g  J There will be more victors than the trade press - think of the wall street	 fees! :-)o   Later    Mark Hittinger bugs@pu.nets   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:39:22 GMTs* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: Getting info on voting dayaA Message-ID: <uYfl8.36714$Ib6.3345608@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C951EE5.EDDE8FF9@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: K > > By the way, Compaq internally is saying that the results won't be knownEI > > until early next month, but that information is a couple of weeks oldw now... > K > Carly said many times that by April 1/2, HP will be telling its customerse thekH > news of the 3 year product roadmap. Is it possible that Carly would be totallymI > clueless on the mechanics of the vote counting , thinking that she will  know > the outcome very quickly ? >,H > Also, why would Compaq have scheduled its vote on the day after HP's ?H > Wouldn't it be to Compaq's advantage to vote once the outcome of HP isL > official ? (eg: of you know HP killed the deal, then it pays for Compaq to say-G > "Yes I do", so that it may benefit from the cancellation penalties HP  would  > have to pay Compaq.   B You haven't been paying attention:  the penalties don't apply to a stockholder vote-down.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:21:26 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m0 Subject: Re: HP Unix servers plunge below $1,000, Message-ID: <3C9508D4.333D664D@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:iN > change: Mark Gorham says that low-cost VMS entry systems will become reality1 > once low-cost IPF platforms make this possible.   N Didn't we hear that before ? When Alpha was to be the new high volume standard for the IT industry, remember ?s  I Then, to protect its 8086 business, Palmer prevented Alpha from competingi against 8086 machines.  I And more importantly, Digital still had its "can't offer low cost option,pJ otherwise our biggest customers would replace the very profitable high end4 machines with "break even" low cost ones" mentality.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:01:52 GMTh4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>0 Subject: Re: HP Unix servers plunge below $1,000- Message-ID: <kn8l8.57895$af7.42706@rwcrnsc53>m  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C9508D4.333D664D@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: H > > change: Mark Gorham says that low-cost VMS entry systems will become reality 3 > > once low-cost IPF platforms make this possible.m >dG > Didn't we hear that before ? When Alpha was to be the new high volume. standard! > for the IT industry, remember ?n  E That certainly was the original goal. Said goal actually predates therJ November 10, 1992 debut of Alpha. Sad but true, the visionaries of the dayH did not factor OS support and apps availability into their Grand Design.  K I think you are trying to read a bit more into Mark Gorham's assertion thanpL is actually there. The man said that low cost VMS systems would be availableI when affordable IPF desktop boxes materialized. Since such a box wouldn'tiF displace anything but Windows or Linux--products that don't contribute= anything to Mark's profit center--I can't see why he wouldn'ta/ enthusiastically support a VMS econobox effort.m  I Resistance, if any, would come from the Windoze faction within Compaq (or I Hewlett-PAQard), but given the comparatively low volumes such boxes would-L generate, I doubt that the Windoze faction, or Bill Gates hisself, would get their knickers in a twist.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:01:15 -0500@- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n0 Subject: Re: HP Unix servers plunge below $1,000, Message-ID: <3C952032.5FCC35FD@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:tK > Resistance, if any, would come from the Windoze faction within Compaq (or.K > Hewlett-PAQard), but given the comparatively low volumes such boxes wouldsN > generate, I doubt that the Windoze faction, or Bill Gates hisself, would get > their knickers in a twist.  E It depends how Carly structures her company. If there is to be a 8086cJ division, an IA64 division and a legacy systems division (Tandem etc), theM IA64 servers division might not be allowed to make low cost workstations thatpN would compete against the 8086 division, and the 8086 division may not be able7 to make high ens servers that compete against the IA64..  G Remember that HP will want to give the IA64 a chance (eg: a big hand in2J helping it). I could see some deal whereas the 8086 division agrees not toK make high end 8086 servers, in exchange for the IA64 promising not to stealN any low end sales.  D If Carly does to IA64 what Palmer did to Alpha in terms of corporateH structure, then IA64 doesn't stand much of a chance of having widespread "industry standard" use.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Mar 2002 16:56:02 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.564897.killspam.00c7 (Wayne Sewell)tJ Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of. Message-ID: <fYY9paSAg2Jv@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  d In article <s96l8.58629$Yv2.24405@rwcrnsc54>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:B > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message/ > news:vy5l8.1067$fL6.23325@news.cpqcorp.net...N >  >>I >> Don't confuse VMS with Alpha.  They wanted Alpha to succeed.  There iso	 >> littleaJ >> doubt that in the BP days the plan was that VMS customers would move toG >> Windows -- on Alpha.  You can argue that the people to designed that  >> strategy M >> were wrong, but you can't argue that their agenda was to kill, cripple, or L >> limit Alpha - they just believed that *VMS* wasn't the way to sell Alpha. >> > L > Absolutely correct. NT was thought to be the volume expansion solution forM > Alpha. Alas, Digital's abysmal lack of negotiating skills led to a AllianceaJ > for Enterprise Computing in which Microsoft agreed to impose Intel-AlphaH > platform support parity only on server-side apps. No desktop apps = no	 > volume.  > L > Lesson: the CTO may not be the right guy (or gal) to negotiate a deal with > Microsoft.  M The best person to handle contract negotiation with billy is the janitor.  He M doesn't have the power to bind you to anything, so you can't get screwed likeo? everybody else who deals with the Dark Lord on his Dark Throne.      -- nO =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)sO ===============================================================================a= Society Lady:  Are you familiar with the Great Wall of China?a5        Curly:  No, but I know a big fence in Chicago!s   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:02:21 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of LinuxC Message-ID: <hD6l8.139495$uv5.10531338@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>-  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:vy5l8.1067$fL6.23325@news.cpqcorp.net...: >t7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagev: > news:MBwk8.5773$dh.226701@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...   ...t  F > > Is your memory really so short that you've forgotten the concerted
 > attemptsF > > DEC made to migrate VMS (hence, Alpha) customers to NT back in theL > > 'affinity' days?  Would you like people to restate their experience with > thedD > > DEC sales force in this area?  Or perhaps you've never looked at relativeJ > > advertising expenditures (in absolute numbers, let alone when adjusted forcE > > relative profitability) for Alpha vs. Wintel platforms by Compaq.y > >  >oH > Don't confuse VMS with Alpha.  They wanted Alpha to succeed.  There is > littleI > doubt that in the BP days the plan was that VMS customers would move tonF > Windows -- on Alpha.  You can argue that the people to designed that
 > strategyL > were wrong, but you can't argue that their agenda was to kill, cripple, orK > limit Alpha - they just believed that *VMS* wasn't the way to sell Alpha.o  G At the risk of pointing out the stupifyingly obvious, when you activelyoJ encourage a VMS customer to convert to a Windows platform you throw away aK guaranteed Alpha platform for a platform which may or may not remain Alpha.lH I'll leave it to those with painful experiences in this area to describeI whether the DEC sales force encouraged VMS replacement by Windows withoutyK offering that choice (especially as the lower cost of the IA32 platform wastK a natural part of the migration argument, when combined with the ability to G run Windows on their existing Alpha hardware for the immediate future).   H All of which, of course does nothing to address your parallel suggestionH that *Compaq* wanted Alpha to succeed:  while Pfeiffer might have, *all*L evidence ('strategic' decisions, relative ad expenditures which you declinedI to respond to above, verbal support outside existing customers) since his  departure indicates otherwise.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:53:07 -0800s" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux/ Message-ID: <u9a76i1uo7btf3@corp.supernews.com>    Bill Todd wrote:   > 1 > "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message4+ > news:u97512jk1us506@corp.supernews.com...e >> Paul A. Jacobi wrote: >> >> >7 >> > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in messagen7 >> > news:i3l49u4m1cggqn4g98ibk8jgmmngj1790f@4ax.com...i >> >8 >> >> Maybe, just maybe if IA64 takes off and ends up inK >> >> laptops five years down the line I'll be able to do that but I expect < >> >> Hammer laptops long before IA64 laptops appear if ever >> >I >> > Intel has consistantly said that IA-64 is a high-end SERVER chip andeH >> > there are no intentions to make a low-end, low-cost implementation. > I > No, it has not:  its original hopes for Itanic were to start to replaceeK > IA32 after the Pentium 3 (or was it Pentium 2?) generation, but obviouslyoH > it had to rethink that strategy after the point where it could foreseeK > that Merced would be a complete dud and McKinley didn't look likely to behI > enough better to compensate (which is when it began to sing the "server- > only" tune loudly).  > E > Even so, 'Deerfield' still exists on its roadmaps as a cost-reducedcJ > implementation, and high-end servers would have no use for it.  Besides,I > the low end is where Windows support will do it the most good (at leasteE > until such time as Windows becomes at least marginally adequate for K > high-end use) - though unless Microsoft doesn't support Hammer with Win64 6 > it's not clear why Itanic would be attractive there. >  >> >F >> > There will never be any IA-64 laptop, just like there are no Xeon
 > laptops. > J > I tend to agree, but only because I suspect that Itanic will sink beforeF > process technology (perhaps 50 nm - 65 nm might not be small enough)K > starts to make its hunger for power relatively small compared with laptop  > screenJ > power requirements.  Otherwise, Itanics would at least be feasible thereK > for special-purpose use if there were any demand for them (i.e., if Intelo > manages to scuttle Hammer).a >  >> >= >> > Anand has a really good article on IA-64 vs. AMD Hammer:c >> >: >> > http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1584&p=13 >> > >>J >> That's odd,... IBM is selling a dual IA-64 workstation for around $15k. > K > They can 'offer' them, but they can't 'sell' them unless someone wants to I > buy them, which so far has not seemed to be the case.  Considering thatiJ > that's at least 4 times the price of an IA32 box with comparable qualityL > and performance, I'm not sure it qualifies as anything but a niche productF > for those who need Itanic for compatibility with higher-end machines > (e.g., for development work).f >   J At least I know where the Itanic stands now.  I took a closer look and it I is running XP Pro.  Yuck!  You've made a good point.  Who would buy into o that??   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:07:51 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux+ Message-ID: <rdal8.62559$q2.7170@sccrnsc01>   / "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in messagen) news:u9a76i1uo7btf3@corp.supernews.com...e >gK > At least I know where the Itanic stands now.  I took a closer look and itvJ > is running XP Pro.  Yuck!  You've made a good point.  Who would buy into > that?? >   ( Ummm, way too many people at Compaq. ;-}  I On the other hand, Itanic at some point will run real OSes like VMS, NSK,eK and HP-UX. From that standpoint, Bill Gates musta been real bummed out when J Compaq announced the ports of two out of three of the aforementioned OSes.L Microsoft market dominance is no longer virtually certain, instead Microsoft will have to work for it.a  4 Who knows, that might even make Windows a better OS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:26:21 -0500y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>gP Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux, Message-ID: <3C95341C.8239A266@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:1M > and HP-UX. From that standpoint, Bill Gates musta been real bummed out whentL > Compaq announced the ports of two out of three of the aforementioned OSes.N > Microsoft market dominance is no longer virtually certain, instead Microsoft > will have to work for it..  M Microsoft simply needs to pull out of IA64 and focus on Hammer to ensure IA64gJ is relegated to a niche market, with a chip that will have costed far more0 than Alpha without providing better performance.   <conspiracy>M Heck, Microsoft may have been behind Compaq's move to IA64.  Windows will runtK on the faster/cheaper 8086, while its competitors will be stuck on the slow C and expensive IA64. Downgrade HP's "enterprise" offerings, and that ( automatically makes Windows look better.
 </conspiracy>t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:27:06 -0800t( From: "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux/ Message-ID: <u9ad2nsqqks91f@corp.supernews.com>e  e "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message news:rdal8.62559$q2.7170@sccrnsc01...  >h1 > "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message + > news:u9a76i1uo7btf3@corp.supernews.com...a > >tM > > At least I know where the Itanic stands now.  I took a closer look and itsL > > is running XP Pro.  Yuck!  You've made a good point.  Who would buy into
 > > that?? > >i >h* > Ummm, way too many people at Compaq. ;-} >iK > On the other hand, Itanic at some point will run real OSes like VMS, NSK,5M > and HP-UX. From that standpoint, Bill Gates musta been real bummed out whennL > Compaq announced the ports of two out of three of the aforementioned OSes.N > Microsoft market dominance is no longer virtually certain, instead Microsoft > will have to work for it.t >t6 > Who knows, that might even make Windows a better OS.  L Don't forget Linux on Itanium - the customers I visit show a lot of interest in it on the desktop.y --
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:55:09 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux= Message-ID: <NVal8.64895$uA5.64845@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C95341C.8239A266@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:hJ > > and HP-UX. From that standpoint, Bill Gates musta been real bummed out whenH > > Compaq announced the ports of two out of three of the aforementioned OSes.eF > > Microsoft market dominance is no longer virtually certain, instead	 Microsofta > > will have to work for it.e >lJ > Microsoft simply needs to pull out of IA64 and focus on Hammer to ensure IA64L > is relegated to a niche market, with a chip that will have costed far more2 > than Alpha without providing better performance.  F Had Itanium continued to slip, Microsoft may well have done just that.D Hammer obviously would be an easier port for OS developers, and more) importantly, IA32 application developers.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:56:50 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux+ Message-ID: <mXal8.62810$q2.6646@sccrnsc01>   3 "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in message ) news:u9ad2nsqqks91f@corp.supernews.com...m > A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagew% news:rdal8.62559$q2.7170@sccrnsc01...? > > 3 > > "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in messageh- > > news:u9a76i1uo7btf3@corp.supernews.com...s > > >aL > > > At least I know where the Itanic stands now.  I took a closer look and itI > > > is running XP Pro.  Yuck!  You've made a good point.  Who would buyt into > > > that?? > > >l > >H, > > Ummm, way too many people at Compaq. ;-} > >eH > > On the other hand, Itanic at some point will run real OSes like VMS, NSK,J > > and HP-UX. From that standpoint, Bill Gates musta been real bummed out whenH > > Compaq announced the ports of two out of three of the aforementioned OSes.uF > > Microsoft market dominance is no longer virtually certain, instead	 Microsoft" > > will have to work for it.  > >t8 > > Who knows, that might even make Windows a better OS. >wE > Don't forget Linux on Itanium - the customers I visit show a lot of? interest > in it on the desktop.v  J Yep. Omission was due to my focus on proprietary OSes. But in the long runL His Gatesness may regret the fact that in 1995 he couldn't even spell Linux. ;-}e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:05:59 GMTw$ From: John Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux& Message-ID: <3C954D5D.6050603@qsl.net>   Terry C. Shannon wrote:1 > 6 > Who knows, that might even make Windows a better OS.  ; No one will ever accuse you of not having a sense of humor.D  % begin  this  is  not  an  attachment.J   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:10:09 GMT31 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux' Message-ID: <3C955CA3.C855E673@fsi.net>t   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:w > 1 > "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in messagev+ > news:u9a76i1uo7btf3@corp.supernews.com...m > >nM > > At least I know where the Itanic stands now.  I took a closer look and iteL > > is running XP Pro.  Yuck!  You've made a good point.  Who would buy into
 > > that?? > >r > * > Ummm, way too many people at Compaq. ;-} > K > On the other hand, Itanic at some point will run real OSes like VMS, NSK, M > and HP-UX. From that standpoint, Bill Gates musta been real bummed out whenhL > Compaq announced the ports of two out of three of the aforementioned OSes.N > Microsoft market dominance is no longer virtually certain, instead Microsoft > will have to work for it.  > 6 > Who knows, that might even make Windows a better OS.   <music>  Beautiful dreamer... </music>   -- h David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:37:57 GMTw* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of LinuxC Message-ID: <9Xfl8.279317$pN4.18077747@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>9  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messaget7 news:NVal8.64895$uA5.64845@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...C >a< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3C95341C.8239A266@videotron.ca... > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:BL > > > and HP-UX. From that standpoint, Bill Gates musta been real bummed out > whenJ > > > Compaq announced the ports of two out of three of the aforementioned > OSes.cH > > > Microsoft market dominance is no longer virtually certain, instead > Microsofte > > > will have to work for it.l  J LOL.  If VMS (or Tru64) has *ever* had Gates quaking in his boots, he sureF has kept up a brave front all these years.  And as long as VMS's ownerG supports it in the manner to which it has become accustomed, there's noID reason whatsoever to expect that to change - even if it ran on every platform known to man.   > > L > > Microsoft simply needs to pull out of IA64 and focus on Hammer to ensure > IA64I > > is relegated to a niche market, with a chip that will have costed fara more4 > > than Alpha without providing better performance. >sH > Had Itanium continued to slip, Microsoft may well have done just that.F > Hammer obviously would be an easier port for OS developers, and more+ > importantly, IA32 application developers.n  I As long as Itanic continues to suck, the market may drive Microsoft to docI that anyway.  Who knows, perhaps they'll start charging Intel for Windowsa development costs on Itanic.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:30:32 GMT@4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>Y Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux (and havs- Message-ID: <s96l8.58629$Yv2.24405@rwcrnsc54>   @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:vy5l8.1067$fL6.23325@news.cpqcorp.net...t   >eH > Don't confuse VMS with Alpha.  They wanted Alpha to succeed.  There is > littleI > doubt that in the BP days the plan was that VMS customers would move tosF > Windows -- on Alpha.  You can argue that the people to designed that
 > strategyL > were wrong, but you can't argue that their agenda was to kill, cripple, orK > limit Alpha - they just believed that *VMS* wasn't the way to sell Alpha.  >v  J Absolutely correct. NT was thought to be the volume expansion solution forK Alpha. Alas, Digital's abysmal lack of negotiating skills led to a AlliancepH for Enterprise Computing in which Microsoft agreed to impose Intel-AlphaF platform support parity only on server-side apps. No desktop apps = no volume.b  J Lesson: the CTO may not be the right guy (or gal) to negotiate a deal with
 Microsoft.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:05:44 -0500 ' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>89 Subject: Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?n' Message-ID: <3C954B78.D9D11EDE@gce.com>o   minor note:a I always used extract/all/mail% to extract into a usable mail file...=     Paul Sture wrote:= > , > Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > X > > In article <3C930194.4030603@bluewin.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes: > > A > >>Exporting that information to text files is easy. Now for the L > >>interesting bit - how to import it into VMS MAIL? Or other VMS solution, > >>if applicable. > >> > >a > > Actually, not that hard. > >hK > > VMS Mail can still process sequential (unindexed) text mail files, likekR > > we used to have in VMS versions prior to version 4.  If you want to experimentR > > before writing any code, you can go to your current VMS MAIL, select a folder,
 > > and do > >i > > MAIL> EXTRACT/ALL filespec > > K > > What ends up in filename is all your mail messages, each separated by at
 > > formfeed.  > >t > > Now  > >h > > MAIL> SET FILE filespecb > >nD > > and notice that you can read individual messages, do a DIR, etc. > >cQ > > You can import individual mail messages or the whole thing from this filespect- > > back into your regular indexed mail file:s > > & > > MAIL> FILE/ALL NEWFOLDER  MAIL.MAI > >eQ > > and mail will crank along, possibly taking a  while, but end up filing it all - > > into NEWFOLDER in your regular mail file.u > >.K > > (One excessively cool thing is that you can actually file mail messagesmJ > > directly into mail files on another system you can reach via DECnet or1 > > DECnet-over-IP; replace MAIL.MAI, above, withaQ > > node"username password"::[homedirectory.mail]MAIL.MAI  (modulo proxies, etc).i > >tQ > > So you've just got to export your Lotus Notes message into a file - well, oneiJ > > file per folder - that looks like the EXTRACT/ALL file and you're set. > >s > Many thanks. A way cool answer. As it happens, Lotus Notes export defaults to a form feed between messages, so it's probably a simple matter of massaging the headers. > D > It looks like my team owes you a rather fine lunch should you find* > yourself in the proximity of Zuerich :-) >  > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland * > God is real; unless declared as integer.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2002 02:10:52 -0000* From: "Mag Net News" <MAG@lb.bcentral.com>@ Subject: Jade Entertainment Group, Inc. PUBLIC OFFERING DECLARED( Message-ID: <1016417452.90825.qmail@ech>  7 Jade Entertainment Group, Inc. PUBLIC OFFERING DECLAREDg	 EFFECTIVEn  9 Melville, New York. - March 18, 2002 - Jade Entertainment 4 Group, Inc., announced today that the Securities and7 Exchange Commission declared effective, as of 9 o'clock-3 am. March 14, 2002, the Company's SB-1 Registration:8 Statement. The Registration Statement is for the sale of7 500,000 shares of common stock.  The Company has pricede8 it's shares at $3.00 and is distributing the shares in a6 self underwritten offering.  The Company plans to list7 it's securities on the Nasdaq OTCBB under ticker symbols4 JENT, however the listing date has not yet been set.  9 A registration statement relating to these securities was>2 filed and declared effective by the Securities and9 Exchange Commission. The public offering is being made byu3 means of a prospectus. This press release shall nota9 constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offero: to buy, nor shall there be any sale of these securities in. any state or jurisdiction where such an offer,/ solicitation or sale would be unlawful prior toe: registration or qualification under the securities laws of: such state or jurisdiction. A copy of the final prospectus3 relating to these securities may be obtained at theu4 company's corporate website, http://www.jadegrp.com.   SAFE HARBOR   3 Certain matters discussed in this press release may 8 constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning6 of the federal securities laws. Actual results and the5 timing of certain events could differ materially fromi9 those projected in or contemplated by the forward-lookingi7 statements due to a number of factors including generale$ economic conditions and competition.    G _______________________________________________________________________s Powered by List Builderu To unsubscribe follow the link:hJ http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=3D11414&subid= =3D0413D44729C4083B&msgnum=3D20    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:07:24 GMTn1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 4 Subject: Re: Microsoft Curries Favor With Undergrads' Message-ID: <3C955BFC.6D27CF5B@fsi.net>h   John Smith wrote:) > 4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:iok49u066rh82c3kj282i5qeagrub5adgc@4ax.com... > >r1 > Of course Compaq would have to eat  humble pie.o > >c > + > That's not taught in US business schools,   D True. It seems they teach quite the opposite: never admit a mistake,E just expect your customers to trust you, no matter how many times youw "change with the winds".    > so nobody at Compaq knows how.$ > They never did a case study on it.  G Also, True. Not sure why, but it seems that if you don't flush a couple D $million down the commode to have some inexperienced jamoke tell youF what you already know, it's too big a gamble for these business schoolE types to swallow. Maybe they should all go on sabbatical and re-learnn* what the word "entrepreneur" really means.   -- t David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:23:45 GMTk1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 9 Subject: Re: OT: AOL "whiners" for suing MS over Netscapea' Message-ID: <3C955F30.7931F11B@fsi.net>n   Paul Sture wrote:d >  > Wayne Sewell wrote:' > { > > In article <01KFE6G4CS6K8ZOX9C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:s > >u > >o > >oL > >>I think one could criticise Microsoft for introducing hidden features inK > >>IE which makes Netscape run slower (I think this actually happened), asXL > >>well as for a web server which outputs a false message ("your browser isC > >>not good enough") if it is not IE (again, I think this actually  > >>happened). > >> > >  > >lL > > Then there was the stuff that came out in the trial, mention of the codeM > > intended to make customers think DRDOS (competitor to MSDOS, from DigitaliN > > Research, I believe) wasn't working properly.  When Microsoft applicationsM > > determined they were running under DRDOS, they would deliberately fail in P > > weird, non-obvious ways.  Which of course made the customer think that DRDOSR > > was unstable, when in fact it was far superior to MSDOS (what software *isn't* > > superior to billyware?). > >  > >n > >LC > Um, yes. I bought a 40GB Maxtor disk last year which came with a oF > DR-DOS floppy to configure the thing. When I tried using NT to do a F > backup of the floppy, it simply stated "Unable to copy disk". Linux  > displayed no such problem.   Ah, yes. Noticed that myself.n  @ As for copying diskettes, ever thought of using your VMS System?   $ MOUNT/FOREIGN DVA0:e $ COPY DVA0: DK.IMG4 $ DISMOUNT DVA0: $! Change diskettes. $ MOUNT/FOREIGN DVA0:a $ COPY DK.IMG DVA0:  $ DISMOUNT DVA0:  E On the COPY from diskette, ignore the illegal VBN error - that's just>H COPY trying to read past the end of the physical medium. The output willC be closed intact. The size of the image file should be 2882 blocks.c  B By the way, this works well for those elusive ECU diskettes, also!   -- d David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Mar 2002 05:11:51 GMT/ From: Erik Ahlefeldt <oahlefel@metz.une.edu.au>f1 Subject: Q: DEClaser3500, VMS, IP address change?c, Message-ID: <a73sun$gnj$1@gruvel.une.edu.au>  H  At a remote site I have a DEClaser 3500 with the built-in network card.F  We print to this printer from a MicroVAX 3100 running VMS 6.2 and UCXG  4.2, using TCP/IP (telnetsym). My problem is that I need to change the.C  IP address on the printer. We do not have a manual for the printer D  and there appears to be no way to access it from the VAX to do thisD  change. We do not run any other networking or operating systems at I  this site, NO Novell, NO Appletalk, NO unix boxes. I do not know how thedH  printer IP address was originally set up. My only access to the site isI  via a dial-up modem to the VAX and onsite expertise is very limited. ThedL  three protocols that this printer is currently set up to use are Appletalk,F  Novell, and TCP/IP and I am told that in order to use LAT we need to H  set some dip-switches and use a Novell (NPmanage) program to effect the,  change, which would appear to rule LAT out.&  So how do we change the IP address???  -   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2002 11:58:41 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)R" Subject: Re: Resource block chains= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0203171158.7f93c71b@posting.google.com>5  i James.F.Duff@health.net wrote in message news:<OFA81613C2.68A95DE6-ON88256B7C.007B0B19@foundation.com>...1I > I am looking at some old internals code on an alpha running 7.3, and amo > havingK > some trouble with an executive cell called LCK$GQ_RRSFL.  This puportedlyeI > points to the beginning of a chain that links resource blocks together.k  E This cell links together all the Root Resource Blocks (Root RSBs) forlF all resoruce trees presently found on the system.  Any sublocks withinE the resource trees can then be found by starting at the Root Resource 7 Block, following the RSB$GQ_SRSFL (sub-resource) queue.w  B As another poster demonstrated in his examples, but didn't say outF loude, instead of containing the address of the first RSB in the list,D this global data cell actually points to the next RSB's RSB$GQ_RRSFLB forward link cell, so you have to subtract the offset RSB$GQ_RRSFL; from the address if you want the address of the RSB itself.d  C Note that since VMS 7.2, lock manager data structures are in 64-bitaD address (S2) space, so be sure you use a 64-bit address pointer, not 32-bit.l  E There are a couple of examples of accessing the Root Resource list onrF the V5 Freeware CD, under [KP_LOCKTOOLS] -- LCKACT.MAR (which looks atF lock activity counts) and LCKQUE.MAR (which searches for cases of lock5 contention) (both written in Macro-32, not C; sorry).6  D Having done some work in this area, I'm curious what information you( were trying to obtain with your program?? ---------------------------------------------------------------n? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on:a> Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:30:49 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>o0 Subject: Re: Steps for installation OVMS 6.2 1H36 Message-ID: <3C94FCF9.4103B26C@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  F Bear in mind too that there are problems for the unwarey traveller whoE installs OpenVMS Alpha v6.2-1H3 and then wants to upgrade it later toiF 7.1 or 7.1-1Hx.  I had a site in Dublin that I supported in a previousF job who had an AlphaServer 4100 running 6.2-1H3.  On trying to upgradeG to 7.1 they found that they were unable to retain the contents of theireH system disk - initialization of the disk was the only option (losing all1 of their site-specific configuration as it went).   C A right-to-use license for 7.x would be a better bet if there's anyR chance.i Steve.   Aleksander Koodziejczyk wrote:  > J > > Now a question -- WHY V6.2-1H3???  This is an old version.  Unless you > haveI > > some particular need for this old version, I would recommend that your	 > install 7 > > V7.2-2 (or maybe V7.2-1 or V7.2-1H1 in some cases).  > M > Thank you, but we haven't licence for VMS7.x. I'll be install V6.2-1H3. Our0H > server is ALPHA1000 with 128MB RAM (I affraid it is to small for newerH > version VMS). We use this server for developing programs (C, GEMBASE). > K > We heve now VMS6.2, but something damaged with file system on system diskdM > and we must install/reinstall VMS (VMS ont this server was instaled in 1995m > :) ).n > J > Now, our server regular reboot when we use DCL command like "edit file". > 
 > Regards, > Aleksander Kolodziejczyk   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeoE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.rA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"l% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:49:21 +0000e1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>a Subject: Re: SWCCd6 Message-ID: <3C950151.3A781035@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   Paul,iH It is probably right - it needs an agent running on the VMS system whichD the client PC software communicates with.  The VMS agent software is. configured with something like SWCC$CONFIG.COM  B You name the controllers to be, erm, controlled and then start theC agents.  You also need to register the clients that are going to bee) connecting through to this node's agents.n  ? Caveat emptor (or whatever the latin is - Let the buyer beware)fE As Mike formerly of Littlewoods will concur, SWCC doesn't play nicelyo
 with HSZTERM.nB I've found that the agent software in the release that I was usingE tended to be a hog of disk controller capacity/throughput - a pair of E HSZ70s could be brought to its knees when running Oracle and SWCC.  ICD turned SWCC off in the end and renamed its startup command procedure (just to be certain!)o  H SWCC is a nice clicky draggy, management impressing interface but if youB want to understand what is happening and you want to optimise yourD throughput to the disks then I would recommend that you get familiarA with any CLI software that you have for the controller concerned.    Steve.  D (And as others have pointed out, SWCC may not play with the PCI RAID cards).p   Paul Janssen wrote:o > H > Does anyone have any experience with SWCC and the the KZPAC/KZPSC RAID > controllers? > J > It seems that the version posted on the public compaq site does not work > with these controllers.cM > The message at the client side reports a "No agent running on the specified  > host".J > As this message comes up very quickly and any entry there gives the same > result, I doubt if it is > what it says it is.y > L > By the way I tried the classing things, like pinging, checking in the help > files, internet,etc. >  > Thanks for any clue... >  > -- > Paul Janssen > paul.janssen@intrinsic.ber > Intrinsic Consulting nvd > Houwaartstraat 58 
 > 3210 Lindent > Tel +32 (0)16 62.27.43 > Fax +32 (0)16 62.23.10 > GSM +32 (0)475 201.201   -- -G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likemE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.wA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"s% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"c   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:02:09 GMTa) From: Matt Rife <matt_rife@sbcglobal.net>n$ Subject: Re: Talk about downtime....- Message-ID: <3C9510DD.D8C87F2D@sbcglobal.net>s  M Yes, that is a very interesting situation.  I would expect a PC infrastuctureeH like this to have a farm of servers using some kind of IP load-balancingM technology (such as BigIP or 3DNS).  That way, you can move some servers at a,M time w/o any service disruption.  I guess this reflects Yahoo's commitment toe customer service levels.   Matt   > ## > Dear Yahoo! Groups Members,a >oN >        As noted on our web site earlier this week, the Yahoo! Groups serviceP > will be down for scheduled maintenance Friday  March 15 9:00 PM PST (GMT-8) asM > we move our servers to a new facility. We expect the service to be restoredo, > late Saturday or early AM Sunday March 17. >yP >        During this time the web site will be unavailable and email will not beM > delivered. (Some users may experience email non-delivery notices, but emailmO > will be delivered once service has resumed.) Please note: Once the service is4P > back up,  there will be email delays due to backlog. We expect these delays toP > last no longer than 1 day. Please do not resend email to your group as it will > only add to delays.  > 5 >  We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.< > ## >eI > It is now about 04:30 EST on sunday and they are still down. Since they N > prominently put up the "Powered by Compaq" logo, the recent outages of YahooP > are worse publicity than the outages of Ebay back in its early days since Ebay7 > didn't prominently display the "Powered by Sun" logo.  >tL > If they are truly just moving servers from one building to the next, you'dO > think that Compaq would have provided a "DECmove" type of service to move the  > service transparently. > P > If they have a gazillion PCs to move, couldn't they move a few to the new siteO > at a time and bridge the ethernet between the two sites, providing a seamless   > move ? (or some other method). > M > I am curious as to what sort of infrastructure they have that would require N > such a lengthy downtime. Or are they truly staffed by microsoft weenies that= > have never had experience in serious systems and planning ?A   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:46:43 -0800i" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>$ Subject: Re: Talk about downtime..../ Message-ID: <u9a6qhsj6jcrcb@corp.supernews.com>c   JF Mezei wrote:o   > ## > Dear Yahoo! Groups Members,  > F >        As noted on our web site earlier this week, the Yahoo! Groups >        serviceE > will be down for scheduled maintenance Friday  March 15 9:00 PM PSTrL > (GMT-8) as we move our servers to a new facility. We expect the service to8 > be restored late Saturday or early AM Sunday March 17. > I >        During this time the web site will be unavailable and email will  >        not beyG > delivered. (Some users may experience email non-delivery notices, buteJ > email will be delivered once service has resumed.) Please note: Once the > service isF > back up,  there will be email delays due to backlog. We expect theseI > delays to last no longer than 1 day. Please do not resend email to youro& > group as it will only add to delays. > 5 >  We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.: > ## > I > It is now about 04:30 EST on sunday and they are still down. Since theyuH > prominently put up the "Powered by Compaq" logo, the recent outages ofK > Yahoo are worse publicity than the outages of Ebay back in its early dayseB > since Ebay didn't prominently display the "Powered by Sun" logo. > L > If they are truly just moving servers from one building to the next, you'dK > think that Compaq would have provided a "DECmove" type of service to movet > the service transparently. > K > If they have a gazillion PCs to move, couldn't they move a few to the new K > site at a time and bridge the ethernet between the two sites, providing af) > seamless move ? (or some other method).c > E > I am curious as to what sort of infrastructure they have that would I > require such a lengthy downtime. Or are they truly staffed by microsoftcJ > weenies that have never had experience in serious systems and planning ? >   1 What was Yahoo using for their servers anyway??  f: And did Yahoo move over to another o/s for their servers??   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:33:34 GMTa1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i) Subject: Re: Tape compaction performance? ' Message-ID: <3C95617E.FD35EF7E@fsi.net>a   Alan Greig wrote:  > 7 > On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:33:14 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"o  > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > >Tom Simpson wrote:b > >>K > >> I recently decided to test using compaction mode for Backups.  I ran 2RH > >> tests.  One Backup with compaction enabled, the second test withoutQ > >> compaction.  I was surprised to see that with compaction enabled, the Backupl4 > >> took approximately 40% longer.  Is this normal? > >>O > >> The test backup size was approximately 1.1m blocks using TZ89 drives on annL > >> ES40 system running OpenVMS V7.2-1.  Backup took 7 minutes w/compactionO > >> versus 4 minutes w/o compaction.  The test was done during normal business_* > >> hours so the results are not precise. > >lH > >Compaction (aka compression) takes more CPU cycles on SOMEone's part.E > >its gotta be either the CPU ("software" compression) or the device- > >("hardware" compression). > H > Nope it's almost certainly due to the fact that in compressed mode theF > drive is not being fed data fast enough to keep it streaming I wouldE > say. If it has to stop/start more often then backup times shoot up.@  C That is another possibility, yes. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss@$ others out of hand, however. YMMV...  6 > My guess is Tom needs to optimize the backup account   Always a good idea.o   > and/or defrag thet > disk  H I'd check it with DFU, DFO or whatever, first. If a disk is sufficientlyG fragmented to impact read performance to that degree, you'll have othero? problems at higher priority that would drive the defrag effort..    > or run during quieter periods.  H Not always possible. On one site, I had to add some crude DCL locking toH keep BACKUP from bringing the nightly processing to a virtual crawl. TheF basic idea was to ensure that no MTI StingRay (FDDI) had more than oneE BACKUP job drawing data from it, nor more than two jobs for an HSJ50.e   --   David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:25:19 +0000M& From: Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>) Subject: Re: Tape compaction performance?r8 Message-ID: <vbqa9us784v32q9lp5ji4cd2pdpn6pa8g6@4ax.com>  5 On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:33:34 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"w <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:     >> ZI >> Nope it's almost certainly due to the fact that in compressed mode theoG >> drive is not being fed data fast enough to keep it streaming I wouldrF >> say. If it has to stop/start more often then backup times shoot up. >lD >That is another possibility, yes. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss% >others out of hand, however. YMMV...   D Given that I have ES40s with TZ89s connected running 7.2-1, I can be> extremely confident that an uncompressed write rate of 2MB/secF defintely means the drive isn't being fed fast enough ! Or it's brokenD or the tape faulty. We sustain about 10MB/sec in compressed mode forE several hours during overnight backups. That's around 30-40 Gigabyteso	 per hour.e  F If the uncompressed write rate was around 5MB/sec and the time to do aD compressed backup was longer than the uncompressed one then you need' to look at other things as you suggest,i7 >> My guess is Tom needs to optimize the backup accountu >i >Always a good idea.  , But surprising how many people don't bother.   >> and/or defrag the >> diska > I >I'd check it with DFU, DFO or whatever, first. If a disk is sufficientlyaH >fragmented to impact read performance to that degree, you'll have other@ >problems at higher priority that would drive the defrag effort.   Agreed.s   >s! >> or run during quieter periods.s >?I >Not always possible. On one site, I had to add some crude DCL locking togI >keep BACKUP from bringing the nightly processing to a virtual crawl. The:G >basic idea was to ensure that no MTI StingRay (FDDI) had more than one>  D Our MTI Stingray Controllers (CI) used to fail regularly. Since theyD were taken off maint when they were no longer needed for production,2 they have run two years without a problem. Bizarre  F >BACKUP job drawing data from it, nor more than two jobs for an HSJ50.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:59:30 +1030e/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>-M Subject: Re: TCPIP, sharing sockets via $QIO (programming, long and detailed)d. Message-ID: <3C9526DA.7040100@wasd.vsm.com.au>   Mark Daniel wrote:: > Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1-15. > on a DEC 3000 Model 300 running OpenVMS V7.3 > C > I have an application where I would like two (and more) detached XJ > processes to share a socket, in particular both to listen and accept on G > that socket and share the incoming connections.  Note: this is *not* d; > parent-child, it's peer.  Both processes are independent.h > H > The TCP/IP socket sharing bit is not particularly well documented and G > more implies that it can be done rather than stating it.  Anyway, by pJ > experiment I established that it was possible and the incoming requests J > are shared in a round-robin fashion.  Works fine - except under extreme G > load, when eventually the backlog queue length grows and connections  E > stop being accepted (established using a TCPIP> SHOW DEVICE bgnnnn   > /CONTINUOUS).t
 8< snip 8<I > The C code is non-trivial so fully posting it here (or to CSC for that rA > matter) is not really an option.  I hope this precis is enough.-
 8< snip 8<  G I have placed a short(ish), self-contained piece of code that reliably hH reproduces this issue, at least for the environments listed in the code G description.  If anyone wants to play with this and report the results eJ back to me (or this forum) I'll add them, attributed, to said description.  $    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/mgd.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:02:16 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>e  Subject: UK VMS Systems Manager.6 Message-ID: <3C950458.74649E3B@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   Hiya,   A I know it's one of those threads that comes up regularly but.....t  D Anyone know of any (real) vacancies for a VMS Systems Manager in theE UK?  Ideally one with potential to cross train into other areas (likei Unix of some variety).  E Present location is Thames Valley, but relocation is possible for the 
 right job.   TIAd Steve. --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likelE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"o% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:10:10 -0500r1 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> $ Subject: Re: UK VMS Systems Manager./ Message-ID: <u9amjnalt38m35@news.supernews.com>   : Smith Klein Beecham in Maidenhead are big VMS users I hear     DT  < Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> wrote in message0 news:3C950458.74649E3B@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk... > Hiya,n >CC > I know it's one of those threads that comes up regularly but.....f >aF > Anyone know of any (real) vacancies for a VMS Systems Manager in theG > UK?  Ideally one with potential to cross train into other areas (likec > Unix of some variety). >nG > Present location is Thames Valley, but relocation is possible for the  > right job. >- > TIA- > Steve. > --I > "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeaG > a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.9C > Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % > Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"w   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:58:51 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>o8 Subject: UK- Anyone got a spare LN06 DC controller card?6 Message-ID: <3C95038B.780D3CCA@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   The subject line says it all.o  C Anyone in the UK got a DC controller card for an LN06 that they are F willing to part with?  It's one of the two boards in the bottom of the8 printer (accessed by taking the bottom off the printer).  D The nearer it is to the Thames Valley area the better for picking itE up.  A cost near to "take it, get it out of here" would be ideal too.y   Thanks in advancep Steve.   -- fG "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like(E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.aA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"i% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:32:27 +0100r. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si>& Subject: VAXstation 3100 M38 went dead/ Message-ID: <zZ6l8.1620$a%.52064@news.siol.net>M   Hi,o  D my VAXstation 3100 M38 just went dead. All 8 diagnostic leds are on.  L When I power on the station leds 7-4 gose on and few seconds after that leds 3-0 goes on.L I did't find any usefull information on led status in users manual. Any help is appreciated.    best regards, Gorazd   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.151 ************************  