1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 19 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 154       Contents:% Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k  Re: Andrew's back !  Re: Antigen found =*.exe file 0 configuring nic for decnet and lock traffic only% Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k ! Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k % Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k % RE: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k % Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k % RE: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k % RE: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k / Re: DEC C: why does exit(0) really exit with 1? ( DEGPA-TA Gb NIC on GS160 Config QuestionE Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username? E Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username? E Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username? E Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username? E Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username? : Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructure> Re: Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructure> Re: Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructure  Re: FLIGHT problem on X terminal  Re: FLIGHT problem on X terminal  Re: FLIGHT problem on X terminal( Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)( Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)( Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)( Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)( Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)' Re: Get two day after tomorrow with DCL  Re: How to user SYS$PERSONA_xxx 0 Re: HP employees retirement fund votes NO merger0 Re: HP employees retirement fund votes NO merger0 Re: HP employees retirement fund votes NO mergerG Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux 0 Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?0 Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail? JavaONE 2002 Re: LD062 Install Question Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq 7 Samba problem fixed.. DNS administrator summarly beaten & Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC C Re: Talk about downtime....  RE: Talk about downtime....  Re: Talk about downtime....   Re: Tape compaction performance?  Re: Tape compaction performance? Re: The Inquirer & the Irony Re: The Inquirer & the Irony Re: The Inquirer & the Irony Re: The Inquirer & the Irony Re: The Inquirer & the Irony Re: The Inquirer & the Irony Re: The Inquirer & the Irony TRADUCTORA DE INGLES TROJAN ALERT! (JS/Loop)  Re: TROJAN ALERT! (JS/Loop) : Re: Use Logical name for both DEV: and [dir] in AUTHORIZE? Re: VMS DEBUG V7.2 bugs me! * Re: Who's got a working 11/750 in Germany?* Re: Who's got a working 11/750 in Germany?* Re: Who's got a working 11/750 in Germany? Re: Your mother is so fat... Re: Your mother is so fat... Re: Your mother is so fat...@ Re: [OT]  NY Times Op-Ed misses point about unreliablity of PC's@ Re: [OT]  NY Times Op-Ed misses point about unreliablity of PC's  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2002 08:25:09 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) . Subject: Re: a/b keyboard switch OpenVMS-win2k0 Message-ID: <a76sl5$9sv$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  ` In article <a752g6$adl@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Jim Strehlow" <jimSnoSpam@data911.com> writes: >Thank you for your input. > ; >To Christoph Gartmann, did you check the SRM Console (>>>) 0 >value for kbd_hardware_type is LK411 or PCXAL ?  K Yes, we checked both and both are working. Again, a minor glitch: sometimes A you dont have "<" and ">". If these keys are not available at the M console prompt, plugging in a real keyboard, typing a few keys and replugging F the switch will cure the problem. This might be because we have GermanK keyboards and thus modified the keyboard language variable. But so far this G wasn't a problem, we don't need these arrow keys at the console prompt.   = >At client sites we use standard pc keyboards with that value  >set to PCXAL.9 >We set it to LK411 for most of our own in-house servers.   + Here we use LK411 but tested PCXAL as well.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 09:29:40 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: Andrew's back !3 Message-ID: <8G8NHEfPfjMO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <3C969694.693A5958@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>, Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> writes:I > But would the memory be cache or main?  And is Rob likely to be static?  >   A 	Yeah... just for grins I should carry a chunk of carpet into the @ 	next room and shuffle my shoes on it and see if I can get a Sun8 	server to abend.... wearing my Zinc Whiskers of course!   				Rob    > :-)  >  > Steve. >  > * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >> > >>  J >> If you remember and I know this is tricky for you Rob, memory short andH >> long term not being one of your strong points you will also recollectF >> that I had a 3 month secondment into Product Marketing as part of aD >> job rotation. Most interesting it was to but I was glad to leave. >>  F >> You are a never ending souce of ammusement to me and despair to the" >> OpenVMS community keep it up :) >>  
 >> Regards >>   >> Andrew Harrison >  > --  I > "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like G > a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. C > Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" ' > 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2002 03:06 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) & Subject: Re: Antigen found =*.exe file- Message-ID: <19MAR200203061773@gerg.tamu.edu>   A wayne@tachysoft.xxx.564897.killspam.00c7 (Wayne Sewell) writes... j }In article <55f85d77.0203140349.313ac7b6@posting.google.com>, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes: }>  < }> If I want to email an OpenVMS .EXE, .COM or .BAS over the? }> network as an attachment, why should I have to "consider M$" , }> and rename it for crying out loud ??????? }>   } N }This is just one of the *many* miseries of trying to live in the billyworld. O }There a large number of stupid things we must do because *other* people insist D }on running garbage operating systems and we have to deal with them. }-- N }Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx   It's called "interoperability".   E When your ships are travelling in a convoy, you have to travel at the  speed of the slowest ship.  E When your e-mail can be read on multiple systems, you have to do what - is necessary to protect the "slowest" system.   H However, if the filtering is being done by PMDF it should be possible toF not filter out the .EXE, etc., files originating on a VMS system (sentE via SEND/FOR in MAIL, or whatever method you use to send MIME encoded D messages) by giving it a mime type that indicates something specificI to VMS (which, IIRC, SEND/FOR typically does - I think it use an X-VMS... D type type) - you should then be able to filter out every .EXE, etc.,I except these. All it should take is figuring out the right PMDF filtering A specifications. Other mail software may, or may not, have similar A capabilities. (Of course, this does mean that you can then freely F send Windows viruses from your VMS system since they won't be filteredF out and at the Windows end the mail client will most likely completelyF ignore the mime type and just go with what the file extension seems to indicate the file type is.)    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 06:57:08 -0800' From: darrin-husmann@ouhsc.edu (darrin) 9 Subject: configuring nic for decnet and lock traffic only < Message-ID: <2a7950c9.0203190657.c167705@posting.google.com>  7 I have an OpenVMS alpha cluster and was wondering what  > commands need to be ran to configure NIC cards to accept/route only the lock traffic.   -Darrin Husmann   OU Physicians   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:43:11 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> . Subject: Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k8 Message-ID: <a77irh$1oo$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  L Read some articles recently about Samba and Pathworks w/2000 and XP clients.  H For starters, try enabling plaintext passwords in the client's registry. This is disabled by default.  L HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanworkstation\param eters     Set enableplaintextpassword to 1   Dave...   0 "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com> wrote in message/ news:a77hnb$3ot8g$1@ID-136223.news.dfncis.de... L > Has anyone had any luck mapping a drive to a samba share on a VMS Machine? > " > VMS Version is: OpenVMS V6.2-1H3# > Windows is Windows 2k (latest SP) ) > Samba on VMS is: Samba version 1.9.17p4  > L > Any suggestions on making this work would be greatly apperciated.. Thanks. >  > L > During a connection attempt, the operator console shows the connections onI > various ports, but Win2k fails the connection with the following error: ' > \\<name_of_machine> is not accessable < > The account is not authorized to log in from this station. >  > Again, thank you all.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:25:54 -0600 % From: "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com> * Subject: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k5 Message-ID: <a77hnb$3ot8g$1@ID-136223.news.dfncis.de>   J Has anyone had any luck mapping a drive to a samba share on a VMS Machine?    VMS Version is: OpenVMS V6.2-1H3! Windows is Windows 2k (latest SP) ' Samba on VMS is: Samba version 1.9.17p4   J Any suggestions on making this work would be greatly apperciated.. Thanks.    J During a connection attempt, the operator console shows the connections onG various ports, but Win2k fails the connection with the following error: % \\<name_of_machine> is not accessable : The account is not authorized to log in from this station.   Again, thank you all.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:51:16 -0600 % From: "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com> . Subject: Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k5 Message-ID: <a77j6m$j5gpr$1@ID-136223.news.dfncis.de>   < "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message2 news:a77irh$1oo$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com... > L HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanworkstation\param > eters  > " > Set enableplaintextpassword to 1 >     + Check that setting.. It is in fact set to 1   K I think the problem is Windows is sending my NT Domain login to the VMS for  auth. 3 My NT Domain name and VMS Login name are different.   K Is there a way to specify that Windows should 'prompt' me for user/password  information?  G I can test if thats the case by adding a user equal to my NT Domain and ) seeing if that allows a samba connection.    I'll let you know   
 Many Thanks.. 	 Dave Rich    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:14:59 +0100 ( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL>. Subject: RE: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2kC Message-ID: <EC85E7391071D511AC140008C7F37BC24DEDFF@wt15.wt.tno.nl>    HI,    no problem here whatsoever.    But:) my username is the same as on the VMSbox. N But that should not be a problem, as it works for users that do have different logon names, at least under NT. D I can not think of a reason why it shouldn't work under W2K as well.  I Does the IP-address of the W2K box fall within the range specified in the  SMB.CONF file?   Mark  P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- E Mark de Bruin                                Voice : +31 15 269 69 05 E TNO Automotive                               Fax   : +31 15 257 21 04 E Laboratories                                 GSM   : +31 653 44 21 45 D Innovation, Communication & Information      E-mail: bruin@wt.tno.nl4 Loc: GBS 1.3                                 URL   : http://www.automotive.tno.nl- P.O. Box 6033                                 
 2600 JA Delft  The Netherlands      -----Original Message-----* From: Dave Rich [mailto:drich@nucorar.com]# Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 15:51  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k      < "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message2 news:a77irh$1oo$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com... > L HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanworkstation\param > eters  > " > Set enableplaintextpassword to 1 >     + Check that setting.. It is in fact set to 1   K I think the problem is Windows is sending my NT Domain login to the VMS for  auth. 3 My NT Domain name and VMS Login name are different.   K Is there a way to specify that Windows should 'prompt' me for user/password  information?  G I can test if thats the case by adding a user equal to my NT Domain and ) seeing if that allows a samba connection.    I'll let you know   
 Many Thanks.. 	 Dave Rich    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:24:58 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> . Subject: Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k) Message-ID: <3C97584A.C9ED76BE@Omond.net>    "Bruin, J.M. de" wrote:    > HI,  >  > no problem here whatsoever.  >  > But:+ > my username is the same as on the VMSbox. P > But that should not be a problem, as it works for users that do have different! > logon names, at least under NT. F > I can not think of a reason why it shouldn't work under W2K as well.   I can think of one.  Microsoft.   " Ever heard of changing goalposts ?  I As far as I'm aware, you'll need at least Samba 2.0.6 (or was it 2.0.8 ?)  to work with W2K.   G I'm sure John Malmberg has mentioned this on the VMS Samba mailing list : recently:  see http://lists.samba.org/pipermail/samba-vms/  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:41:50 +0100 ( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL>. Subject: RE: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2kC Message-ID: <EC85E7391071D511AC140008C7F37BC24DEE00@wt15.wt.tno.nl>   M Well, if that is true, I do have a configuration here that is not supposed to  work, but works!  K According to SMBSTATUS, the version running on the VMSbox, is 1.9.16p2 !!!!    Mark   -----Original Message-----& From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net]# Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 16:25  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k     "Bruin, J.M. de" wrote:    > HI,  >  > no problem here whatsoever.  >  > But:+ > my username is the same as on the VMSbox. P > But that should not be a problem, as it works for users that do have different! > logon names, at least under NT. F > I can not think of a reason why it shouldn't work under W2K as well.   I can think of one.  Microsoft.   " Ever heard of changing goalposts ?  I As far as I'm aware, you'll need at least Samba 2.0.6 (or was it 2.0.8 ?)  to work with W2K.   G I'm sure John Malmberg has mentioned this on the VMS Samba mailing list : recently:  see http://lists.samba.org/pipermail/samba-vms/  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:59:35 -0500 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> . Subject: RE: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k: Message-ID: <NEBBIALHDHJMJINPGMOAGEOCEFAA.dallen@nist.gov>  ; 	That's what the "Connect as another user" link is for ;-).    > -----Original Message-----, > From: Dave Rich [mailto:drich@nucorar.com]' > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AMn > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k >  >  > > > "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message4 > news:a77irh$1oo$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com... > >aN > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanworkstation\param	 > > eters2 > >E$ > > Set enableplaintextpassword to 1 > >o >  > - > Check that setting.. It is in fact set to 1x > M > I think the problem is Windows is sending my NT Domain login to the VMS for/ > auth.p5 > My NT Domain name and VMS Login name are different.s > M > Is there a way to specify that Windows should 'prompt' me for user/passworde > information? > I > I can test if thats the case by adding a user equal to my NT Domain ando+ > seeing if that allows a samba connection.c >  > I'll let you knowo >  > Many Thanks..a > Dave Riche >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2002 01:13 CSTo' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 8 Subject: Re: DEC C: why does exit(0) really exit with 1?- Message-ID: <19MAR200201133324@gerg.tamu.edu>p   bill@cs.scranton.edu writes...0 }In article <u91700aebi8kc8@corp.supernews.com>,3 } Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes:), }|> Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote:J }|> : Since your C program is doing what C programs tend to do to indicateF }|> : success, it makes a lot more sense to report a status value that }|> : translates to the messagem }|> A }|> From my point of view, the program is telling the RTL to exitrE }|> with a $STATUS of 0, nothing else.  It's assuming something abouto+ }|> the value 0 and changing it on me to 1.  } / }It's actually much worse than you think.  :-) i. }I modified MAKEIT.COM, observe the following:   [...]  }$ run exitzerog }$ write sys$output $STATUS  }%X00000001t }$ run exitone }$ write sys$output $STATUSo }%X00000001  }$ run exitnine  }$ write sys$output $STATUSj }%X00000009  }$ set noverifyv }$ i } A }Hmmmm.  How does one differentiate between exit(0) and exit(1)??p }bill   1 That's easy: one stops using numeric exit codes. e  : Magic numbers are bad. Do not use them if at all possible.. Switch to defined exit codes, like SS$_NORMAL.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 05:52:54 -0800$ From: steve_b500@yahoo.com (SBenson)1 Subject: DEGPA-TA Gb NIC on GS160 Config Question = Message-ID: <4a1e8212.0203190552.78a41efc@posting.google.com>n  E We have a new GS160 with the DEGPA-TA copper 1Gb nic cards which haveeE recently become supported on VMS.  But I'm unable to get the cards tocD communicate (i.e. ping loopback) with Multinet 4.3 or TCPIP/UCX 5.1.B I'm running VMS 7.3 with the UPDATE-V0100 patch which includes the required LAN-0200 patch.  D Does anyone know if there any Console settings, SYSGEN, and/or LANCPF parameters that need to be applied in order to enable these NIC cards?  E The system has 4 DEGPA-TA cards and a dual port 100Mb card. Below areEB some snips from LANCP, SH DEVICE, and the console. Note that LANCP; shows "No" for the "Full duplex operational" entry on EWA0.n   $ mcr lancpm LANCP> show device/paramD %LANCP-F-DEVOFFLINE, device is not in configuration or not available   Device Characteristics EIA0:'                   Value  Characteristic]'                   -----  --------------i+                    1500  Device buffer size-(                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback moden-       00-02-A5-F3-AF-EE  Hardware LAN address:/                          Multicast address listD-                 CSMA/CD  Communication mediumt,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                      64  Minimum receive buffers0                     128  Maximum receive buffers+                     Yes  Full duplex enablee0                     Yes  Full duplex operational(             Unspecified  Line media type*                     100  Line speed (mbps)   Device Characteristics EIB0:                    (same as EIA0)   Device Characteristics EWA0:'                   Value  Characteristic '                   -----  --------------b+                    1500  Device buffer sizem(                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback modeh-       00-60-CF-20-A2-4B  Hardware LAN addressl/                          Multicast address list -                 CSMA/CD  Communication medium ,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                      64  Minimum receive buffers0                     128  Maximum receive buffers+                     Yes  Full duplex enable-0                      No  Full duplex operational(             TwistedPair  Line media type*                    1000  Line speed (mbps)#         (the others are like above)   E Device EWA0:, device type DEGPA, is online, network device, device isG
 a template	     only.   E     Error count            0    Operations completed                0gE     Owner process         ""    Owner UIC                    [SYSTEM]9F     Owner process ID 00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,WF     Reference count         0    Default buffer size               512     snip from Console:C PCI Box  Riser  Slot  Option            Hose  Bus  Slot  Func  NamedD     0       0      4   DECchip 21154-AA    1    0     4             C                        + DE602-AA          1    2     4         eiauC                        + DE602-AA          1    2     5         eib D     0       1      1   DEGPA-TA            2    0     1             D     0       1      4   DEGPA-TA            3    0     4             D     1       0      4   DEGPA-TA            9    0     4             D     1       1      1   DEGPA-TA           10    0     1                Thanks!o Steve Benson sbenson@nbhd.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:11:35 -0500 + From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>nN Subject: Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username?3 Message-ID: <fzIl8.1164$fL6.24892@news.cpqcorp.net>i  H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>C wrote in message news:00A0B23C.007E06BE@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...kB > In article <H2tl8.1130$fL6.24442@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry"" > <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes: >y > ...r/ > >suEXEC is planned for the next CSWS release.v > I > I'm moderately surprised, since this seemed like a really Unix-specific3
 > feature. > ...l  D The same functionality is possible on OpenVMS using persona servicesK internally to Apache. The UAF account associated with the UserDir directivekG will be used to create/assume a persona and then create a subprocess to3K handle the script (running under that username). Controls will be available J to the system manager to enable/disable this feature as well as to control  which UAF accounts are eligible.  
 Rick Barry Compaq Secure Web Server OpenVMS System Software Group  Compaq Computer Corporation*
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:03:27 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")N Subject: Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username?8 Message-ID: <00A0B2AD.65AB7956@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  a In article <fzIl8.1164$fL6.24892@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes:p >> >> ...0 >> >suEXEC is planned for the next CSWS release. >>J >> I'm moderately surprised, since this seemed like a really Unix-specific >> feature.e >> ... >iE >The same functionality is possible on OpenVMS using persona servicestL >internally to Apache. The UAF account associated with the UserDir directiveH >will be used to create/assume a persona and then create a subprocess toL >handle the script (running under that username). Controls will be availableK >to the system manager to enable/disable this feature as well as to controlb! >which UAF accounts are eligible.   J Thanks for the explanation.  (I assume you mean User directive rather thanE UserDir, above.)  That implementation makes plenty of sense, and it'siI basically what WASD and OSU do.  (OSU requires excessive cleverness sincevE the main server isn't installed with IMPERSONATE privilege, so it haseK another process that acts as a gateway to differently-personaed children.) eF I was more surprised that you'd still call it "suEXEC", since the _su_J command is a Unix command and it seems (from a quick reading of the suEXECE faq on the apache.org site) that the implementation is also very Unixi	 specific.f   Best,    -- Alana  O ===============================================================================a0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056rM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================o   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2002 18:17:30 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)eN Subject: Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username?: Message-ID: <a77vbq$l37$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  8 In message <00A0B2AD.65AB7956@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,9   winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston") writes:mK >Thanks for the explanation.  (I assume you mean User directive rather thanhF >UserDir, above.)  That implementation makes plenty of sense, and it'sJ >basically what WASD and OSU do.  (OSU requires excessive cleverness sinceF >the main server isn't installed with IMPERSONATE privilege, so it hasK >another process that acts as a gateway to differently-personaed children.)s  M The reason OSU requires the cleverness is to simplify matters on VMS versionsgB that don't have per-thread security.  Without per-thread security,O you would have to do a lot of work to garantee that no other threads do actions\K that reference the security context (e.g. open a file) during the time thati# you've assumed a different persona.a      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.a   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:19:24 +0000 (UTC)a From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukN Subject: Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username?+ Message-ID: <a77vfc$1lb$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e   In article <00A0B10D.F886401D@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:td >In article <dtqOJCp4Q31m@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >>In article <00A0B0C9.6B8C9DCC@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:o >>> VMS 7.2-2 (various Alphas) >>> CSWS/Apache 1.21 >>> R >>> Does CSWS support scripting in some other persona than the username the server >>> runs under?i >>F >>I was under the impression (perhaps only on V 7.3) that CSWS allowed6 >>for a web user to "log in" using their VMS password. >nL >Not as far as I can tell.  It allows for authentication based on the SYSUAFN >username password with MOD_AUTH_OPENVMS, but that authentication is then usedD >for access controls under the account Apache runs under (by defaultL >Apache$WWW).  This doesn't get you automatic access to files you own - it'sP >just another means of authentication more or less on a par with the Apache-only >password files. >a >>J >>> If CSWS does support it, how does it work and how do you configure it? >>L >>I thought there was a name something like MOD_AUTH_VMS or MOD_AUTH_SYSUAF,J >>but since I have never run CSWS anything I say should be taken only with >>a grain of documentation.1 >D% >Indeed.  But a nice thought, anyway.l >   @ No the Compaq secure webserver release notes explicitly state :-   "s8 4.7  suEXEC Not available for protected script execution  G The compaq Secure web server for OpenVMS does not currently support the K suEXEC method of executing scripts under the username that owns the script.eD Many sites like to use this feature to allow execution of arbitrary,O user-written scripts without the fear of compromising the server's environment.-   "-  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 05:10:54 +1030 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> N Subject: Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username?. Message-ID: <3C978636.8070603@wasd.vsm.com.au>   Rick Barry wrote: 
 8< snip 8<F > The same functionality is possible on OpenVMS using persona servicesM > internally to Apache. The UAF account associated with the UserDir directive-I > will be used to create/assume a persona and then create a subprocess to0M > handle the script (running under that username). Controls will be availablewL > to the system manager to enable/disable this feature as well as to control" > which UAF accounts are eligible.
 8< snip 8< Have you tried this?C I remember playing with this some time ago and discovered that the  G $PERSONA change affected the entire job tree.  One process in the tree s> has a particular persona, they all have.  This obviated using B subprocesses for this purpose which is (one reason) why WASD uses E detached.  (Mind you this was a while back and $PERSONA does seem to s have been a moving target.)sF +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 19 MAR 2002 15:12:14 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)C Subject: Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructure:6 Message-ID: <19MAR02.15121432@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  B How ironic that the former head of Microsoft security is now vice ; chairman of the "Critical Infrastructure Protection Board."a< If past performance is any indication then we're all doomed.  
 From Edupage:o  - SCHMIDT LAYS OUT CYBERPROTECTION BOARD AGENDAf< Howard Schmidt, vice chairman of the Critical Infrastructure> Protection Board set up by President Bush, said a new plan forC protecting the country's digital infrastructure is due out soon and.C will replace the one drafted by the Clinton administration in 2000.-? The new plan is based largely on input from the private sector,0C including 127 queries and comments submitted for the board's review H from critical infrastructure operators. Schmidt, who formerly headed <--H security at Microsoft, said the board was also looking at a Cyber    <--= Warning Information Network that would mitigate the threat ofBB viruses to the nation's vital systems, and was targeting education? on ethical computer use at the primary school level. Of all the.> sectors his group covers, the telecommunications and financial9 sectors were the most vulnerable to attack, said Schmidt. % (Computerworld Online, 13 March 2002)    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 2 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:01:26 -0500 , From: "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com>G Subject: Re: Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructured+ Message-ID: <a77ub50kok@enews2.newsguy.com>r  A "Carl Karcher" <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote in messageh0 news:19MAR02.15121432@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu..." > ... Schmidt, who formerly headedC > security at Microsoft, said the board was also looking at a Cyber ? > Warning Information Network that would mitigate the threat of,+ > viruses to the nation's vital systems ...n  H Doesn't CERT (www.cert.org) already exist to perform this very function?J Must be a case of Mr. Schmidt bringing Microsoft's history of "innovation" into the public sector.n   :-)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:53:31 -0800o" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>G Subject: Re: Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructureo/ Message-ID: <u9f1strrnvo3fe@corp.supernews.com>z   Carl Karcher wrote:t  C > How ironic that the former head of Microsoft security is now viceo= > chairman of the "Critical Infrastructure Protection Board."c> > If past performance is any indication then we're all doomed. >  > From Edupage:  > / > SCHMIDT LAYS OUT CYBERPROTECTION BOARD AGENDAt> > Howard Schmidt, vice chairman of the Critical Infrastructure@ > Protection Board set up by President Bush, said a new plan forE > protecting the country's digital infrastructure is due out soon andsE > will replace the one drafted by the Clinton administration in 2000.iA > The new plan is based largely on input from the private sector,iE > including 127 queries and comments submitted for the board's review J > from critical infrastructure operators. Schmidt, who formerly headed <--J > security at Microsoft, said the board was also looking at a Cyber    <--? > Warning Information Network that would mitigate the threat ofDD > viruses to the nation's vital systems, and was targeting educationA > on ethical computer use at the primary school level. Of all then@ > sectors his group covers, the telecommunications and financial; > sectors were the most vulnerable to attack, said Schmidt.p' > (Computerworld Online, 13 March 2002)c >   H Oh, BOY!  Sounds like the peter principle in action.  This doesn't bode  well.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:32:35 +0100e2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)) Subject: Re: FLIGHT problem on X terminaln; Message-ID: <3c9705b3.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>n  . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote:G > When I start applications such as MOSAIC on the MAC, it tried to open J > a window that is bigger than the MAC's window and it is a pain to resizeG > it to fit inside the display. When I SET DISPLAY/CREATE, does the VAXrF > need to know the size of the target X terminal's properties (colour,
 > size etc) ?l  < The X server is responsible for giving that information. See  !   $ @DECW$UTILS:DECW$DEFINE_UTILS    $ xdpyinfo  * If the application doesn't use it, well...  B You should, however, be able to set the app's geometry explicitely9 by running it with the (standard X) commandline parameterj "-geometry WIDTHxHEIGHT".6   cu,g   Martin -- sG So long, and thanks        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmere4 for all the books...       | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK In Memoriam Douglas Adams  |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ;             1952-2001      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.deC   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 09:38:42 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n) Subject: Re: FLIGHT problem on X terminaln3 Message-ID: <GogFqOwltQDx@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  \ In article <3C96CCBC.DCFDF9DA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M > When I try to run FLIGHT on a X display on a macintosh (runing MI/X), I getwP > the initial dialogue where I chhose the plane and takeoff location, fueld etc,+ > and when I continue, the program crashes.  >   -    What message do you get when it crashes?  a  I    We've tried the same under Linux PPC using both gnome and KDE with no      joy.-  F    The aircraft and worlds that ship with FLIGHT don't use much color,
    anyhow.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:58:18 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)a) Subject: Re: FLIGHT problem on X terminalC! Message-ID: <1PzLtforcDSo@gaelic>F  - In article <3C96CCBC.DCFDF9DA@videotron.ca>,  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: M > When I try to run FLIGHT on a X display on a macintosh (runing MI/X), I get P > the initial dialogue where I chhose the plane and takeoff location, fueld etc,+ > and when I continue, the program crashes.m  K Is your display in 16 bit or 24 bit colors ?   Flight only recognize 8 bitse	 displays.s   Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:26:17 -0500)+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>i1 Subject: Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)i8 Message-ID: <3ule9uo9j6vroq2h00k3pm2tk3f6inf4lk@4ax.com>  / On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:38:15 +0100, Jouk Jansen " <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:    ( >> Wrong language.  In Fortran, you say: >> r >>         include 'xxx.inc' >>  D > But "include" is on the Obsolete list and may be removed in a next >Fortran standard.  B You are mistaken.  INCLUDE is not on any Obsolete list in Fortran.  G > However, some Fortran compilers (even CompaqFortran on Tru64) support F >proprocessing and thus the "#include <xxx.h>" syntax. For some reasonE >this was never implemented in CompaqFortran for OpenVMS. Currently I - >(mis)use the C-prepocessor for this purpose.A  D Right - the UNIX compiler provides a cpp-style preprocessor, but notF on VMS.  We never saw enough demand for this from VMS users to make it6 work there, it would have been a non-trivial exercise.         Steve Lionel Compaq Fortran Engineering Intel Corporation 
 Nashua, NH  . Compaq Fortran - http://www.compaq.com/fortranK Intel Fortran - http://developer.intel.com/software/products/compilers/f50/c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:31:48 -0500r+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>@1 Subject: Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)m8 Message-ID: <v4me9us7663ud3gbmu9qnn5n218d3enuni@4ax.com>  9 On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:44:18 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Maher"a <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> wrote:w    I >I notice that Fortran now also offers full support for 64 bit addresses. F >Would you happen to know what's happening with any other languages inH >particular COBOL. We have C, MACRO-32 and now Fortran. Do you ever come$ >across Don Braffit in your travels?  D Fortran has had full 64-bit support on OpenVMS Alpha for three yearsE now, not that anyone has seemed to care.  What exactly are you asking  about?  F I have exchanged mail with Don on occasion and probably see him in the cafeteria from time to time.       Steve Lionel Compaq Fortran Engineering Intel Corporatione
 Nashua, NH  . Compaq Fortran - http://www.compaq.com/fortranK Intel Fortran - http://developer.intel.com/software/products/compilers/f50/    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 09:36:30 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)L1 Subject: Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)g3 Message-ID: <egmir9ZeXdGi@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  [ In article <3C96C4CD.4BFF500E@bellsouth.net>, Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net> writes:n > ! > What is it being replaced with?c  B    Fortran 90 introduced the MODULE/USE model.  I think it has theD    advantage that you might not need OS specific file names.  It hasH    the disadvantage that the code no longer resembles that of the mother    language.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:59:21 GMTt. From: ">>> ^P" <plj@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se>1 Subject: Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)s9 Message-ID: <3C976E6E.D23670B0@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se>   M It is possible sometimes to preprocess using "cc/preproc/comment=as_is", I'vem been playing withsE MM5-sources to make them work on VMS, and I almost to it running now.b   /P.Ljh   Steve Lionel skrev:n  1 > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:38:15 +0100, Jouk Jansenr$ > <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote: >l* > >> Wrong language.  In Fortran, you say: > >> > >>         include 'xxx.inc' > >>F > > But "include" is on the Obsolete list and may be removed in a next > >Fortran standard. >cD > You are mistaken.  INCLUDE is not on any Obsolete list in Fortran. >oI > > However, some Fortran compilers (even CompaqFortran on Tru64) supportaH > >proprocessing and thus the "#include <xxx.h>" syntax. For some reasonG > >this was never implemented in CompaqFortran for OpenVMS. Currently I / > >(mis)use the C-prepocessor for this purpose.= >=F > Right - the UNIX compiler provides a cpp-style preprocessor, but notH > on VMS.  We never saw enough demand for this from VMS users to make it8 > work there, it would have been a non-trivial exercise. >- > Steve Lionel > Compaq Fortran Engineering > Intel Corporation= > Nashua, NH >=0 > Compaq Fortran - http://www.compaq.com/fortranM > Intel Fortran - http://developer.intel.com/software/products/compilers/f50/D   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:56:11 -0800rM From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>n1 Subject: Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)7: Message-ID: <3C977BBA.51F3C755@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:  ] > In article <3C96C4CD.4BFF500E@bellsouth.net>, Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net> writes:  > >.# > > What is it being replaced with?f >nD >    Fortran 90 introduced the MODULE/USE model.  I think it has theF >    advantage that you might not need OS specific file names.  It hasJ >    the disadvantage that the code no longer resembles that of the mother >    language.  B Since F77 is a proper subset of F90, what in the world do you mean by that last sentence?  @ I'll note that new features generally require new syntax, so useE of those features will generally not look like "the mother language".n8 However, unlike the case of C++, you can easily pick and< choose which of the new F90 features you wish to incorporate= in your programs, and incremently add more as you become more9; familiar with them and/or require them.  MODULE/USE is justt one of those new features.       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield+! F20 Automation VMS System Support  kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.com-   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2002 01:20 CST0' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)k0 Subject: Re: Get two day after tomorrow with DCL- Message-ID: <19MAR200201205427@gerg.tamu.edu>7  # wingwong@witty.com (wing) writes...cD }I am trying to use DCL to get two day after tomorrow.  I have tried@ }f$cvtime with "tomorrow" and it works.  However, when I try theB }following, it fails.  It seems that the delta +1 added is no use. } 0 }a = f$cvtime("tomorrow", "absolute", "weekday") }show sym aS
 }A = "Friday"U } 2 }a = f$cvtime("tomorrow+1", "absolute", "weekday") }show sym ag
 }A = "Friday"> }  }Wing   E You need to tell it specifically that you wnat days added, not hours.tD By default, it skips the days field. Try both of your above commandsF without the "weekday" part. You are only adding one hour, not one day.   Use   9 a = f$cvtime("tomorrow+1-0:0:0.0", "absolute", "weekday")N   or justs  2 a = f$cvtime("tomorrow+1-", "absolute", "weekday")  F but you need the "-" after the "1" to make it 1 day instead of 1 hour.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 07:38:45 -0800 From: hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy)'( Subject: Re: How to user SYS$PERSONA_xxx= Message-ID: <2c0966c2.0203190738.1edf76cc@posting.google.com>   ` hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy) wrote in message news:<2c0966c2.0203181527.68f39d5b@posting.google.com>...      ( Sorry, i forgot to post the system info.   OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 Compaq C++ V6.3-020  Compaq C V6.4-008>   Thanks for the help.     Sammyt   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:04:05 GMTI* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: HP employees retirement fund votes NO mergertC Message-ID: <FpBl8.295213$pN4.19351916@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   / "Mark Hittinger" <bugs@pu.net> wrote in message = news:gPyl8.150153$uv5.12481943@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...r. > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:J > >When confronting any significant chunk of the American (mostly) public, it'sG > >wise never to underestimate how stupid they can be, even in areas of  theirMJ > >own self-interest.  Carly is very persuasive unless (and sometimes even if)-I > >you know enough to understand how much of what she says is pure BS:  Il won'ts) > >be surprised if the vote goes her way.u >rL > What we've seen in the last 24 hours has been the "mass" collectively voteL > 2-1 against on the HP side.  We don't have numbers on the CPQ side yet forD > employees but it could very easily be 4-1 against on the CPQ side.  L HP employees aren't anything like the 'mass':  they have multiple reasons toI want to get rid of Carly independent of the merger, and a great deal moregK direct experience with the effects of her management than just about anyoneo else./   >lK > We'd all concede your point about the public but in the case of the threesI > large holdouts we are talking about a tiny group of investment advisorsdK > making up their minds.  C.F. and W.H. are both probably wining and diningoA > strategic mixes of these two tiny groups that we could considero cigar-smoke-. > back-room types - most definetly not public. >nK > Insiders recently have proven themselves to be just as dumb as the publics was J > considered to be in the past - so its still boiling down to a coin toss. :-)-  L The 'insiders' (at least the institutional investors, who I suspect considerG themselves 'insiders' compared with individual shareholders in terms ofdJ their information) are whom I'm most worried about, since my impression isG that they own far more shares than individual shareholders do.  I agree4H whole-heartedly that they seem just as dumb as the general public, and IJ suspect that makes them more likely to vote on the basis of their reactionI to Carly (and perhaps Walter, who is less than effective competition withcJ people whose fundamental basis for judgement is their uninformed gut) thanL to make any real attempt to sort out the wildly conflicting views of all theI 'analysts' (who also look about as wise as the sheep who follow them) or,SK God forbid, even look at the record themselves and try to make sense of it.   J Have you ever listened to Carly talk?  It's absolutely amazing how she canH make the wildest assertions (if you saw them on paper) sound convincing.L And that's what a great deal of people who don't take the time to develop an- informed opinion will base their decision on.n  C So you can place your faith in something close to a majority of theaJ yet-uncommitted stockholders actually developing such an informed opinion,K but I'll believe it when I see it.  I sent in notification of my oppositionmK to the merger to the three fund groups I own shares in (two of which are iniL the top 20 HP shareholders, and neither of which was yet committed accordingL to the recent other post here by JF) - and I hope everyone else with similar feelings did the same.  F We'll see - maybe today, if sanity or lack of it dominates, else soon.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:03:21 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-9 Subject: Re: HP employees retirement fund votes NO merger0, Message-ID: <3C96FED4.CC96FFDA@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:N > HP employees aren't anything like the 'mass':  they have multiple reasons to5 > want to get rid of Carly independent of the merger,a  N I am not sure about that since I don't know how HP employees feel about Carly.N Carly does seem to easily attract media attention, so in that sense, she is anG asset because she can easily get her message across to a lot of people.m  L However, since 12,000 jobs are to be eliminated, I think that most employeesM would rather not see that merger go through, even though they are expected toe publicly support it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:17:37 -0800 ( From: "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com>9 Subject: Re: HP employees retirement fund votes NO mergeru/ Message-ID: <u9esldm8otggcf@corp.supernews.com>e  a "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:3C96FED4.CC96FFDA@videotron.ca...e > Bill Todd wrote:P > > HP employees aren't anything like the 'mass':  they have multiple reasons to7 > > want to get rid of Carly independent of the merger,c >sP > I am not sure about that since I don't know how HP employees feel about Carly.  ( As an HP employee, let me speak to that.  H I work in the field and I get around to the field offices as well as theL product labs in Cupertino and Fort Collins. I know of *one* person that is aI Carly supporter. Pretty much everyone else I know either hates her with a ? passion, or at a minimum thinks she is extremely misguided 8^).   M This is reflected in the internal newsgroup discussions and discussion forumsd as well.  P > Carly does seem to easily attract media attention, so in that sense, she is anI > asset because she can easily get her message across to a lot of people.   G Only if they believe what she says. She has worn out her welcome with a H lot of the employees, and many do not believe anything she says. And her, credibility with the Street is variable 8^).  N > However, since 12,000 jobs are to be eliminated, I think that most employeesO > would rather not see that merger go through, even though they are expected tol > publicly support it.  J We are actually expected to not comment, although there have been internalJ campaigns looking for merger supporters that could be publicized. Funny, I didn't see those ads.d   --
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:53:47 -0500r5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>oP Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux3 Message-ID: <egJl8.1170$fL6.24902@news.cpqcorp.net>   J Come on Bill.  This note wasn't about VMS.  It was about Sun & Linux.  I'mI poking at Sun with the same stick they have used to poke at everyone elsepK for years.  It's fun watching them spin things as if all of a sudden "open"tL is bad if it isn't Solaris - which isn't proprietary - it's "commercial" ;-)  G You want to convert this into some dialogue about VMS.  I'm not biting.      Bill Todd wrote in message ...J >Funny (or sad) how so much of what you say about SPARC and Solaris can be >applied to VMS as well: >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:59:25 -0500e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>eP Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux3 Message-ID: <vlJl8.1171$fL6.24815@news.cpqcorp.net>z  @ David Mathog wrote in message <3C9615AD.FBE7E2AB@caltech.edu>... >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:oA >> but you can't argue that their agenda was to kill, cripple, oriL >> limit Alpha - they just believed that *VMS* wasn't the way to sell Alpha. >C3 >I can't agree with the first part of this because:d >rF >1.  Alpha was never priced to sell - EVER.  The only time "new" Alpha machines >were L >competitively priced was when Digital/Compaq had to dump them at the end of eachH >model's run after not being able to sell them at the price they wanted. >uJ >2.  Digital sold alpha's that were literally limited and crippled; models were' >built that could not run Tru64 or VMS.a >rC >Whether "kill,cripple or limit" was their intention or just a side.G >effect of their incompetence we can't say from out here.  In any case,r >it was the end result.P >i  F Again.  I repeat.  You can argue about if the strategy was good or badI (obviously it failed), but it wasn't designed because they *wanted* it toDL fail.  Designing NT-only systems was a bad idea, it was trying to build a NT4 volume without losing the VMS/UNIX hardware margins.  & You are confusing results with intent.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:03:17 -0500I5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>1P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux3 Message-ID: <8pJl8.1172$fL6.24765@news.cpqcorp.net>=  L Please don't quote me like that without context.  It makes it seem as if *I*L said VMS was a dying business, which I didn't.  You've also wandered off the@ point, and back to complaining about all kinds of random things.  L The point I was making was that Alpha failed to win the marketplace.  It mayG have been for all kinds of reasons, but it wasn't because DEC or Compaq_ *wanted* it to fail.    = JF Mezei wrote in message <3C962556.490FF826@videotron.ca>.... >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:=I >> VMS was a dying business, and NT was the wave of the future - and *it*- was-" >> what would driver Alpha volume. >a >0L >1- VMS was dying because Digital let it die at first and then encouraged it toJ >die. Secondly, just as it was absolutely plain stupid to prematurely killH >Alpha before IA64 was a viable alternative, it was absolutely stupid to? >essentially do the same with VMS without officially saying it.n >oI >There is nothing wrong with developping and offering an NT solution. But J >Digital should NEVER have cannabalised its own products to push a product that >wasn't ready. >nF >I suspect that a lot had to do with all the ass cleaning service that PalmerK >played with Bill Gates with regards to making certain promises in terms ofnK >volumes. The only way for Digital to meet the promises it made was to killS itsrL >own products and internally adpt Bill gates' own products. Best example wasI >the promise to install some XX thousant Exchange seats. Digital probablynJ >didn't sell that many exchange seats, but it installed a hell of a lot byJ >cannabalising its own all-in-1/vmsmail/message_router infrastructure that hade@ >worked well and replaced it with the virus-ware from microsoft. >fJ >This is why I still, to this day, firmly believe that Digital should have beenJ >subpeaned to testify AGAINST microsoft because this was a perfect example ofD >Microsoft quashing competition in exchange for the right to sell MS	 products.P >pJ >I cannot understand why companies would be willing to sacrifice their ownI >limbs just for the privilege of selling Microsoft software. It should be0J >Microsoft that is asked to bend over backwards to get companies to resell MS's products. >uJ >Had Palmer stayed away from Microsoft and focused on building DIGITAL, itJ >would have allowed Digital to compete head to head against MS, HP, Compaq etc.J > But all those deal with gates porevented Digital from competing and look >where Digital is today. >aK >When you look at the merger, Compaq has the ties with Microsoft and Intel,e andgH >HP has ties to Intel, which will make the merged entity is slave of theK >Intel-Microsoft duo. When you think about it, it will make Carly and CurlyoK >simply figurehead CEOs since the real decisions will be taken by Intel anda MS$ >on where the company will be going. >cK >Then again, "slave" is perhaps too nice a word. Slaves won't cut their own3' >legs off just to please their masters.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:23:56 +0000gT From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux& Message-ID: <3C97661C.5020009@sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  B > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message/ > news:vy5l8.1067$fL6.23325@news.cpqcorp.net...t > 7 >>"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message.: >>news:MBwk8.5773$dh.226701@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >> >  > ...  >  > E >>>Is your memory really so short that you've forgotten the concertedR >>> 
 >>attempts >>E >>>DEC made to migrate VMS (hence, Alpha) customers to NT back in thebK >>>'affinity' days?  Would you like people to restate their experience withi >>>t >>the- >>C >>>DEC sales force in this area?  Or perhaps you've never looked atL >>> 
 > relative > I >>>advertising expenditures (in absolute numbers, let alone when adjustedt >>>e > for  > D >>>relative profitability) for Alpha vs. Wintel platforms by Compaq. >>>u >>>xH >>Don't confuse VMS with Alpha.  They wanted Alpha to succeed.  There is >>littleI >>doubt that in the BP days the plan was that VMS customers would move tolF >>Windows -- on Alpha.  You can argue that the people to designed that
 >>strategyL >>were wrong, but you can't argue that their agenda was to kill, cripple, orK >>limit Alpha - they just believed that *VMS* wasn't the way to sell Alpha.r >> > I > At the risk of pointing out the stupifyingly obvious, when you activelycL > encourage a VMS customer to convert to a Windows platform you throw away aM > guaranteed Alpha platform for a platform which may or may not remain Alpha.nJ > I'll leave it to those with painful experiences in this area to describeK > whether the DEC sales force encouraged VMS replacement by Windows withoutcM > offering that choice (especially as the lower cost of the IA32 platform wasiM > a natural part of the migration argument, when combined with the ability to I > run Windows on their existing Alpha hardware for the immediate future).l >     > Perhaps the best example of this was BP's agreement with MS to< drop All-in-One in favour of Office etc. In exchange (sorry); Digital got to be a favoured implimentation partner for the ? aformentioned email system. At one UK Telco Digital then busied : themselves replacing VAX/Alpha boxes with Compaq Proliants< running exchange, no doubt hoping that the beating they were= taking in lost HW/SW and Services revenue would be made up ind PS charges to the customer.e  ? If this was an example of Digipaq wanting Alpha to succeed theno it wasn't a good one.   ? To be fair to Digital in another Telco I used to work with theyn< got to replace the Digital x86 boxes running NT and exchange@ with 4100s running NT and exchange, but this was only after they: discovered that exchange performance was dreadfull on x86.  @ Whether this could be counted as a Alpha success depends on your perspective.     Regardse   Andrew Harrison9   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:43:25 GMTo* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of LinuxC Message-ID: <1NKl8.300937$pN4.19784518@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>-  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:egJl8.1170$fL6.24902@news.cpqcorp.net...tL > Come on Bill.  This note wasn't about VMS.  It was about Sun & Linux.  I'mK > poking at Sun with the same stick they have used to poke at everyone elsetF > for years.  It's fun watching them spin things as if all of a sudden "open"J > is bad if it isn't Solaris - which isn't proprietary - it's "commercial" ;-)  >=8 > You want to convert this into some dialogue about VMS.   Well, this *is* c.o.v...     I'm not biting.   K Since the previous views you've aired about VMS were directly applicable to J your comments about Solaris I'd say you'd already bit, but just are having, some difficultly swallowing those views now.   - bill   >  >   > Bill Todd wrote in message ...L > >Funny (or sad) how so much of what you say about SPARC and Solaris can be > >applied to VMS as well:   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:44:27 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux@ Message-ID: <%NKl8.25731$4I.2457146@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:vlJl8.1171$fL6.24815@news.cpqcorp.net...mB > David Mathog wrote in message <3C9615AD.FBE7E2AB@caltech.edu>... > >Fred Kleinsorge wrote: C > >> but you can't argue that their agenda was to kill, cripple, orqG > >> limit Alpha - they just believed that *VMS* wasn't the way to sell- Alpha. > >a5 > >I can't agree with the first part of this because:b > >dH > >1.  Alpha was never priced to sell - EVER.  The only time "new" Alpha
 > machines > >were8K > >competitively priced was when Digital/Compaq had to dump them at the endp of > eachJ > >model's run after not being able to sell them at the price they wanted. > >BL > >2.  Digital sold alpha's that were literally limited and crippled; models > were) > >built that could not run Tru64 or VMS.w > >eE > >Whether "kill,cripple or limit" was their intention or just a side I > >effect of their incompetence we can't say from out here.  In any case,  > >it was the end result.  > >s >dH > Again.  I repeat.  You can argue about if the strategy was good or badK > (obviously it failed), but it wasn't designed because they *wanted* it to K > fail.  Designing NT-only systems was a bad idea, it was trying to build as NT6 > volume without losing the VMS/UNIX hardware margins. >b( > You are confusing results with intent.  C For someone so quick to demand irrefutable proof from others you'reaE remarkably ready to make definitive statements about corporate intentgD without (one may assume) having been directly privy to the corporate decision-making mechanism.  G Judging by actions is far from the worst way of devining purpose (blind 9 faith being certainly one example of an inferior method).e   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:46:24 -0800n" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux/ Message-ID: <u9f1fjo4o27i20@corp.supernews.com>o   Paul A. Jacobi wrote:    > 1 > "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in messagea+ > news:u97512jk1us506@corp.supernews.com.... >>J >> That's odd,... IBM is selling a dual IA-64 workstation for around $15k. >> > I > $10k to $15K is about the "low-end" for IA-64 systems.  Nobody will payh > thatL > much for a laptop system.  Just ask Tadpole who tried to sell Alpha laptop > in that price range.   I wouldn't doubt that a bit.? But who wants to pay $15k for a machine with Windows XP on it??p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:37:40 +0000h  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com9 Subject: Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?p: Message-ID: <OF9F67EB44.BDD372BB-ON00256B81.00501AF6@btyp>  # Is this on a server basis or local?   D I think you need to speak to your Notes admin, or have a look in theJ manual. I know you can do it from the Notes server [in a distributed env.]I by setting it to trap and forward your mail. Not sure if there is any wayt' to do this from your own Notes account.i   Steve Sc        < Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> on 03/18/2002 05:16:14 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:eG From:      Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>, 18 March 2002, 5:16 p.m.e  0 Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?     Phillip Helbig wrote:y  G > On a related note, how can I SET FORWARD in Lotus Notes so that stuff # > sent there goes to a VMS machine?s >i  I I know a colleague has done this. I'll ask him when I see him (not before  Wednesday).s   __
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Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 09:58:25 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail?-3 Message-ID: <Ii5KYwX4zfHr@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  w In article <01KFIEIID0IA8Y996Y@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:-H > On a related note, how can I SET FORWARD in Lotus Notes so that stuff # > sent there goes to a VMS machine?6  H    In Lotus Notes help, under "Automating tasks", see "creating agents".1    There should be an example of forwarding mail.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:51:50 -0500n2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: JavaONE 2002 3 Message-ID: <n6Jl8.1168$fL6.24714@news.cpqcorp.net>   H       My apologies I just got this, I realize that it is only a few days away.e  	       suet  :       The JavaOne 2002 Conference is only a few days away!  K       This is your personal invitation to visit us at the BEA booth (#1718)mF to hear why Compaq, together with our partner BEA Systems, is the best% choice for solving business problems.s  L       BEA Systems will be showing how their BEA WebLogic Enterprise PlatformH radically simplifies and unifies your application infrastructure. CompaqI will demonstrate how we support and complement this infrastructure across  all of our platforms.t  L       In addition, BEA Systems invites you to "Make A Radical Difference" inL our community. BEA will donate 1 dollar ($1.00) on your behalf to either theJ "I Have a Dream" Foundation or Plugged In. Stop by the BEA booth for more details.  J       For more information on BEA's activities to date at the JavaOne 2002? Conference, please visit www.bea.com/events/javaone/index.shtmln  *       We look forward to seeing you there!         Best regards, 1       Compaq Computer Corp. and BEA Systems, Inc.                BEA Booth #1718-       March 24-28, 2002-       Moscone Convention Center3       San Francisco, CAl                       Mike Guerett, Compaq%       Global Alliance Manager for BEA:         Cindy Feinberg, BEA (       Global Alliance Manager for Compaq   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:20:17 +0100a2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)# Subject: Re: LD062 Install Questiono; Message-ID: <3c96d8a1.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>f  0 David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote:J > I believe it also comes with source which would be in one or more of the > "extraneous" savesets.   It'sB   LD063.A  KITINSTAL, .CLD and .HLP files, examples, release notes   LD063.B  source files    LD063.C  VMS/Alpha 6.2 files   LD063.D  VMS/Alpha 7.1 files   LD063.E  VMS/Alpha 7.2 files   LD063.F  VMS/Alpha 7.3+ files9   LD063.G  VMS/VAX 6.2 files   LD063.H  VMS/VAX 7.1 files   LD063.I  VMS/VAX 7.2 files   LD063.J  VMS/VAX 7.3+ filest  E > I don't yet know if the KITINSTAL.COM for V6.3 still has the "phonep > home" "feature" (bug?).e  8 Not in the KITINSTAL I examined (from the Freeware5 CD).   cu,o   Martin -- uG  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer-4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deH  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.deA   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:03:43 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq; Message-ID: <01KFJLM5D7UQ8Y996Y@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  # > Would someone please pass the KY?t   ??????   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:22:50 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq, Message-ID: <3C971F86.4C5E662E@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:c > % > > Would someone please pass the KY?b >  > ??????  K The person was alluding to Curly performing on top of Carly (or vice versa)iF and needing some lubricant. I have seen KY in australia, so it isn't a. USA-only product. So you should know about it!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:16:39 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq: Message-ID: <OF4C43FC37.00E14385-ON00256B81.0048B260@btyp>   Sure it wasn't the Rubicon...?   Cheers   Steve Ss        E "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> on 03/19/2002 02:36:13 AMt    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: K From:      "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>, 19 March 2002, 2:36o            a.m.d   Re: Plan B for Compaqt     "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > @ > "Steve Reece" <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> wrote in message2 > news:3C969522.7118AE3B@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk...J > > Who says that this isn't how the takeover^H^H^H^Hmerger got thought up > > in the first place???  :-o > >>J > > Anyway, to answer JF's initial question.  Curly has said that he has aH > > Plan B, he just isn't telling anyone what it is (presumably since heH > > might be able to get consultancy fees from Compaq to disclose them). > >e >tK > Yeah, as far as plans go,  in the killer worm-vs-humankind cinematic epiciG > "Tremors," actor Kevin Bacon had a whole bunch of plans to handle the K > earthworms on steroids. And I seem to recall that Dick Nixon had a secreteD > plan to end the war in Viet Nam. That must have been a big secret,	 because IsI > held a top secret/crypto/si clearance and didn't hear a thing about thes plan0 > even though I was in Viet Nam at the time. ;-} >eJ > And didn't Carly say something about burning boats or bridges or whatnot wayg > back last September?  F Was she talking about having crossed the Pacific Ocean or the Delaware River?   -- David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/D          F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasIG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,e$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedmK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.   
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.P  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,hD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:11:35 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq+ Message-ID: <rGHl8.73327$q2.8771@sccrnsc01>s  - <Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com> wrote in messagel4 news:OF4C43FC37.00E14385-ON00256B81.0048B260@btyp... >,  > Sure it wasn't the Rubicon...?  6 The Styx, perhaps. The captain's name was Charon IIRC.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:33:01 -0800,' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>e Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq+ Message-ID: <3C97683D.E560397D@caltech.edu>-   Bill Todd wrote:  L > > And didn't Carly say something about burning boats or bridges or whatnot > wayd > > back last September? > N > Yup - first time I've ever heard of a general burning the boats before she's > reached shore.  K Curly did pretty much the same thing with with the Alpha->IA64 transition. k There's nothingoM like shedding all of your valuable technology to a competitor (apparently for  nothing in return) to pump up the old stock price!s   Regards,     David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:38:51 -0600h% From: "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com> @ Subject: Samba problem fixed.. DNS administrator summarly beaten5 Message-ID: <a77pgc$jb1q1$1@ID-136223.news.dfncis.de>l  1 Its that dreaded time of week..  Backup time. ;-(>   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2002 02:42 CSTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)v/ Subject: Re: sleep() in Older versions of DEC Cl- Message-ID: <19MAR200202424997@gerg.tamu.edu>v  4 chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran) writes... }For LIB$WAIT you need:o }#include <lib$routines.h> } G }But be aware that DEC never got around to declaring function arguments F }in their prototypes for any of the runtime libraries (at least not inG }any version I've met, but I've not got the latest). Therefore it won't D }ensure that the argument to LIB$WAIT is of type float (seconds), so }you must tell it. }Chris  C From lib$routines.h with Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1:n   #ifdef __NEW_STARLET unsigned int lib$wait(         float *seconds,t         __optional_paramss
         ); #else   /* __OLD_STARLET */A( unsigned int lib$wait(__unknown_params);" #endif  /* #ifdef __NEW_STARLET */  5 So it is in there, if you have __NEW_STARLET defined.c  8 The sleep function ought to be there too. From signal.h:       /*E     **  ISO POSIX-1 defines alarm, sleep as being in <unistd.h>.  ForhF     **  compatibility with DEC C V4, the old prototypes are supported.     */ #   ifndef _DECC_V4_SOURCE6          unsigned int alarm  (unsigned int __seconds);1          unsigned int sleep (unsigned __seconds);h #   else,          int alarm (unsigned int __seconds);(          int sleep (unsigned __seconds);	 #   endifo  ? The file unistd.h does something similar as well. Both of them  > indicate that it is there for DECC V4 (which, I think, was the version in question.)    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:41:08 +0000i From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> $ Subject: Re: Talk about downtime....) Message-ID: <3C9715C4.4CC796A9@Omond.net>i   Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > Robert Deininger wrote:d > >  DECmove help in all5 > > these areas, but I never heard that it was cheap.o >p< > yup, in my limited experience it definitely was NOT cheap.  ; Having been involved in a few of these moves, my impressionr? is that most of the cost is insurance;  like, what happens whens< the GS320 the removal guys are wheeling down the ramp breaks? loose, charges down the hill, knocks over a posse of little old-( ladies, and breaks all 32 processors :-)  	 Roy OmondB Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:09:34 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>$ Subject: RE: Talk about downtime....- Message-ID: <0033000056886098000002L082*@MHS>r  ; =0AI thought that the situation involved lowering the GS320c: along the outside of a building and having the rope break,5 causing all 32 processors and the hardware associatedt8 therewith to simultaneously plummet towards unsuspecting" pedestrians on the sidewalk below.   :^)n   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET-% Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:42 AMtB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET$ Subject: RE: Talk about downtime....     Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > Robert Deininger wrote:  > >  DECmove help in all5 > > these areas, but I never heard that it was cheap.r >a< > yup, in my limited experience it definitely was NOT cheap.  ; Having been involved in a few of these moves, my impressiono? is that most of the cost is insurance;  like, what happens wheni< the GS320 the removal guys are wheeling down the ramp breaks? loose, charges down the hill, knocks over a posse of little oldc( ladies, and breaks all 32 processors :-)  	 Roy Omond: Blue Bubble Ltd.=e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:04:36 GMTw4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>$ Subject: Re: Talk about downtime....0 Message-ID: <3C976CE3.5B47E195@blueyonder.co.uk>   Roy Omond wrote: >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > > Robert Deininger wrote:> > > >  DECmove help in all7 > > > these areas, but I never heard that it was cheap.t > >u> > > yup, in my limited experience it definitely was NOT cheap. > = > Having been involved in a few of these moves, my impressionAA > is that most of the cost is insurance;  like, what happens when > > the GS320 the removal guys are wheeling down the ramp breaksA > loose, charges down the hill, knocks over a posse of little oldn* > ladies, and breaks all 32 processors :-) >   A Quite possibly you are right Roy. In my last role initially I wasnH allowed to move boxes around in hire cars, but eventually, for insuranceG reasons, we had to use the clients' preferred server movers. Expensive, B but not as expensive as the c 5k Digital charged to move 2*2100's P down the M4. The funny thing is, the reason those clients decided to get DigitalM to do it was because they'd done a move inhouse and lost data and time due todF some HSJ50 issues, but when Digital turned up for the move they wanted+ ME to shutdown and turn everything off :-).T   Regardsw > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd.   -- n tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk t  F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:19:59 +0100 (MET)n& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>) Subject: Re: Tape compaction performance?m6 Message-ID: <200203190719.IAA23487@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  @ that is a known problem. If the data do not come with the streamG speed of tape, the performance will slow down in case of repositioning.uJ If you use the slower speed the data will be stored relative continuously.B Newer tapes will have dynamic tape speed, which will be adapted to the data transfer speed.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2002 04:37 CSTo' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)0) Subject: Re: Tape compaction performance?,- Message-ID: <19MAR200204370448@gerg.tamu.edu>   [ <poPk8.1057$iL5.496115@typhoon1.se.ipsvc.net>, "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com> writes...hG }I recently decided to test using compaction mode for Backups.  I ran 2 D }tests.  One Backup with compaction enabled, the second test withoutM }compaction.  I was surprised to see that with compaction enabled, the Backup-0 }took approximately 40% longer.  Is this normal? } K }The test backup size was approximately 1.1m blocks using TZ89 drives on antH }ES40 system running OpenVMS V7.2-1.  Backup took 7 minutes w/compactionK }versus 4 minutes w/o compaction.  The test was done during normal business & }hours so the results are not precise. } 	 }Regards,n }Tom  4 This is exactly the opposite of the typical results.  A The tape moves through the drive at a constant speed and bits arenB written to the tape at a constant speed (assuming it is streaming,? not stop-start). When compaction is turned on, those bits being ? written to tape at constant speed represent more real data (theu> flip-side explanation being that the same amount of data takes@ fewer bits to write it to the drive when compacted writing fewerA bits is faster). Thus not only does compaction typically put moretB data on tape, it also speeds the transfer up by the same ratio. IfB you get 2:1 compaction you get both twice as much data on the tape4 and you write the data to the tape in half the time.  B On the other hand, if the file you tested this backup on was a bigB binary file, it is possible that the "compaction" actually made it= bigger by a factor of 7:4 which would simultaneously make thee@ time it takes to put it on tape increase by the same factor. (It= seems excessive for random, or nearly random, data to grow by # such a factor, but not impossible.)   A It is also possible that you hit an I/O speed problem. When it ise@ using compaction it needs the data faster. If the disk I/O can'tB keep up (possibly due to other disk activity), the pause can causeF the buffers to drain and the tape to stop streaming. The stop, rewind,B wait for data to start arriving and buffers to fill, get a runningB start, and start writing data sequence can be a performance killer if it happens much.i  > Try it on a reasonably quiet system and watch the drive to see' if it is stremaing or doing stop-start.-  @ Make sure you are testing with files on a local drive, otherwiseB you are limited to the network's data transfer speed (which can beA comparatively slow, causing a distinct lack of streaming behaviorn with fast tape drives).9   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 09:27:31 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)T% Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Irony 3 Message-ID: <AfKvTW6D9DzN@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  \ In article <3C96732F.8E1C1278@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M >> Wrong oh great one.  My understanding is that the industry standard servero >> group is profitable.c > N > what percentage of the "enterprise" division's profits comes from the wintelM > server ? Do you not agree that the vast majority of profits came from Alphas  > (VMS/Tru64) and Tandem sales ?    A 	Yeah.. but JF... in the creative trimming deparment, that wasn'tr$ 	Fred's objection.  It is seen here:  	 JF wrote:#   >mJ >How convenient. For sales, they have no problems stating the revenus from thefL >wintel server. But when it comes to profit, they refuse to show that wintelI >servers don't generate the profits for that division. Can you imagine ifl Carly K >was gillible enough and believed she was buying a profitable wintel servern
 >company ? >r   Fred wrote:r  J Wrong oh great one.  My understanding is that the industry standard server group is profitable.  E 	You clearly insinuate that the Wintel server group wasn't profitableIC 	by stating "Carly F. *believed* she was buying a profitable wintelo 	server company."   @ 	It goes beyond opinion, the division is profitable.  It may not> 	be as profitable as other divisions but a profit is a profit.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:15:01 -0500q5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>E% Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Irony-3 Message-ID: <8AJl8.1173$fL6.24905@news.cpqcorp.net>c  G Bill, *I* don't know what the relative profit is.  Nor have I ever seenaC anything that has broken it out.  How can you claim to have a clue?a  I But please share it with the actual facts.  And not some surmise based on0 tea leaves.a     Bill Todd wrote in message ... >nA >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message9. >news:ezpl8.1117$fL6.24035@news.cpqcorp.net... >>@ >> JF Mezei wrote in message <3C9401D9.DC357603@videotron.ca>... >> >John Smith wrote: A >> >> A $6.2 billion industry-standard server business that's #1: < >> >> Compaq shipped more industry-standard servers than any+ >> >> other company in the world last year.A >> >H >> >How convenient. For sales, they have no problems stating the revenus from >> theH >> >wintel server. But when it comes to profit, they refuse to show that >wintelDL >> >servers don't generate the profits for that division. Can you imagine if >> CarlyG >> >was gillible enough and believed she was buying a profitable wintel  >servere
 >> >company ?a >> > >>F >> Wrong oh great one.  My understanding is that the industry standard server >> group is profitable.T >oL >JF's comment sounds more like a comment on the *relative* profit that IntelE >servers generate for the division rather than an assertion that theybK >generate none at all.  And in that sense it's consistent with the past few-G >years of Compaq quarterly reports:  while Intel servers did apparentlyg startHI >to generate substantial profits during the dot-com bubble, those profits K >burst when the bubble did and since then margins have been cut to the bonesI >in order to preserve volume - despite which Dell continues its seemingly F >inexorable advance in comparative server market share now that it has turned >its sights to that market.- > I >By contrast, profits from the rest of Compaq's 'enterprise' organizationoH >were far less affected by the bursting dot-com bubble (IBM's enterpriseL >products seemed similarly resilient) - but of course Compaq has since taken >actions to fix that situation.i >t >- billn >p >u >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:17:30 -0500,5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o% Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Irony 3 Message-ID: <tCJl8.1174$fL6.24924@news.cpqcorp.net>b  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3C96732F.8E1C1278@videotron.ca>...  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:dF >> Wrong oh great one.  My understanding is that the industry standard server >> group is profitable.a > F >what percentage of the "enterprise" division's profits comes from the wintelL >server ? Do you not agree that the vast majority of profits came from Alpha >(VMS/Tru64) and Tandem sales ?t  K No I don't agree, because I have *no* data to substantiate the claim eithertL way.  I have heard and seen revenue numbers, but *not* profit numbers.  I am? not privvy to those numbers, so I doubt you or Bill are either..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:18:53 -0500a5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>c% Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Irony 3 Message-ID: <MDJl8.1175$fL6.24794@news.cpqcorp.net>    John Smith wrote in message ...e >iA >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messagel. >news:ezpl8.1117$fL6.24035@news.cpqcorp.net... >> >>F >> Wrong oh great one.  My understanding is that the industry standard server >> group is profitable.s >s >  >d6 >Yes the Wintel commercial server space is profitable. >bK >Now Fred, let's be precise...I know that you have to be in your day-to-dayiL >work, so let's be precise here too and refer to the Intel/Microsoft duopolyK >as just that, or perhaps as the commercial Wintel server space, but pleaseoI >don't call it 'industry standard'. That's too damn depressing....sort ofw, >like calling cancer 'a convenient disease'. >o >Just pulling your chain a bit.m >o  5 I was just using the name they give themselves, ISSG._   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:28:07 GMTs4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>% Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Ironyn= Message-ID: <rGJl8.77787$uA5.74999@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>n  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:tCJl8.1174$fL6.24924@news.cpqcorp.net...t? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3C96732F.8E1C1278@videotron.ca>...n > >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:iH > >> Wrong oh great one.  My understanding is that the industry standard > server > >> group is profitable.n > >.H > >what percentage of the "enterprise" division's profits comes from the > wintelH > >server ? Do you not agree that the vast majority of profits came from Alpha ! > >(VMS/Tru64) and Tandem sales ?B >sF > No I don't agree, because I have *no* data to substantiate the claim eitherK > way.  I have heard and seen revenue numbers, but *not* profit numbers.  I  amA > not privvy to those numbers, so I doubt you or Bill are either.  >p  G For what it's worth, I have heard that the Enterprise division's profit.L picture would not have been very pretty at all had the NonStop numbers  beenK taken out of the mix. Of course, this is second-hand information and should  be used accordingly.  K I also have first-hand information on the profitability of high-end (8-way)a3 ProLiant servers, and the numbers look pretty good.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:39:09 GMTt* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>% Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Irony C Message-ID: <1JKl8.300870$pN4.19781691@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>a  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:8AJl8.1173$fL6.24905@news.cpqcorp.net...t >AI > Bill, *I* don't know what the relative profit is.  Nor have I ever seenbE > anything that has broken it out.  How can you claim to have a clue?p > K > But please share it with the actual facts.  And not some surmise based on 
 > tea leaves.-  F Instead of responding from ignorance, Fred, why not take a look at theI quarterly reports I cited?  Too much trouble for someone whose opinion ism already formed?s   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:46:14 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> % Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Ironyl3 Message-ID: <XNLl8.1184$fL6.25012@news.cpqcorp.net>i  K The quarterly results will *not* tell you the profits from each OS, or muchhH beyond a 50,000 ft view.  There is no breakdown that I know of that will3 give you, or I, the information you think you know.t     Bill Todd wrote in message: <1JKl8.300870$pN4.19781691@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... >tA >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message . >news:8AJl8.1173$fL6.24905@news.cpqcorp.net... >>J >> Bill, *I* don't know what the relative profit is.  Nor have I ever seenF >> anything that has broken it out.  How can you claim to have a clue? >>L >> But please share it with the actual facts.  And not some surmise based on >> tea leaves. >pG >Instead of responding from ignorance, Fred, why not take a look at the_J >quarterly reports I cited?  Too much trouble for someone whose opinion is >already formed? >L >- billd >  >h >l >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:19:17 -0300-8 From: TRADUCTORA ONLINE <traductoraonline@ciudad.com.ar> Subject: TRADUCTORA DE INGLES," Message-ID: <5055399@MVB.SAIC.COM>  8 This is a Multipart MIME message. Since your mail reader/ does not understand this format, some or all of   this message may not be legible.  ; ------=_NextPart_000_001_11666949_55157,77_11722106,7695313  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset=iso-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bits     <HTML>   <head>G <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;charset=iso-8859-1"> > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">F <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type>7 <META content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0" name=GENERATOR>D <STYLE></STYLE>6 <title></title>  </HEAD>l <BODY bgColor=#000000> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV align=center><A   href="http://www.traductoraonline.com.ar"><font color="#0000ff" face="PosterBodoni BT" size="6">www.traductoraonline.com.ar</font></A></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>e% <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>t   <p align="center"><font size="4" face="Copperplate Gothic Bold"><b>&nbsp;<font color="#0000FF">TRADUCCIONES&nbsp;</font></b></font></DIV>o, <DIV><EM><B><FONT face="Lucida Handwriting"  size=4 color="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT face="Lucida Handwriting"  size=4>&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT i> face=Arial>Tr</FONT></FONT></B><FONT face="Arial Black"><FONT ? face=Arial>&nbsp; </FONT><FONT size=2>Ingls Espaol / Espaol   Ingls</FONT></FONT> n <DIV align=center>* <TABLE border=1 cellSpacing=1 width="70%">	   <TBODY>a   <TR>     <TD width="50%">
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(JS/Loop)9 Message-ID: <3c96e3e7.fba4814f.ce015b.20.Q@drsolomon.com>i  8 WARNING! A trojan has been found in an article posted to the following newsgroup(s):r8  comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy, alt.hentai.sailor-moon,;  comp.os.linux.networking, comp.os.linux.setup, comp.os.vms    Message header follows:   ) >Message-Id: <1049535e.5538bb00@tgos.org>i >From: TGOS <tgos@spamcop.net>" >Subject: Your mother is so fat... >Date: 19 Mar 2002 05:09:16 GMTn  0 Dr Solomon's FindVirus/VirusScan report follows:  T  Dr Solomon's FindVirus IN-HOUSE version. Copyright (c) 1999 Network Associates Inc.*  Virus data file v9999 created Mar 16 20022  Scanning for 60554 viruses, trojans and variants.  -  [HTML part] ... Found the JS/Loop trojan !!!s  A You can download a free evaluation (yet fully functional) copy ofsD the latest released version of Dr Solomon's FindVirus/VirusScan from the following locations:  A  WWW: http://www.nai.com/naicommon/buy-try/try/products-evals.asp &  CompuServe: GO DRSOLOMON or GO MCAFEE  AOL: SAFETYONLINE   --J Dr Solomon's Virus Patrol                UK Support: support@drsolomon.comJ NAI Anti-Virus Emergency Response Team         US Support: support@nai.comJ WWW: http://www.mcafeeb2b.com                  UK Tel: +44 (0) 1296 318700J CompuServe: GO DRSOLOMON                          USA Tel: +1 408 988-3832   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:53:06 GMTr  From: linonut@bone.com (Linonut)$ Subject: Re: TROJAN ALERT! (JS/Loop)C Message-ID: <SwGl8.155987$uv5.12905708@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>e  V After takin' a swig o' grog, Dr Solomon's Virus Patrol belched out this bit o' wisdom:  : > WARNING! A trojan has been found in an article posted to > the following newsgroup(s):i: >  comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy, alt.hentai.sailor-moon,= >  comp.os.linux.networking, comp.os.linux.setup, comp.os.vms  >  > Message header follows:o > * >>Message-Id: <1049535e.5538bb00@tgos.org> >>From: TGOS <tgos@spamcop.net>t# >>Subject: Your mother is so fat...   >>Date: 19 Mar 2002 05:09:16 GMT > 2 > Dr Solomon's FindVirus/VirusScan report follows:   [rest of spam snipped]  5 Pretty funny.  Funny how much time, effort, and moneys% Windozers have to put into this crap.    Chrisr   -- n9 From listening comes wisdom and from speaking repentance.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:32:58 -0500p; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>.C Subject: Re: Use Logical name for both DEV: and [dir] in AUTHORIZE?p$ Message-ID: <3c9784bc$1@news.si.com>  8 >I want users on NODEA to login to SOMELOGICAL and go to> >SOMELOGICAL = "DISK$USER1:[FOO.BAR1] and run login.com there. >T8 >I want users on NODEB to login to SOMELOGICAL and go to> >SOMELOGICAL = "DISK$USER2:[FOO.BAR2] and run login.com there. >i >$ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:AUTHORIZE  >UAF> SHOW USERX >..n >Default:    SOMELOGICAL  L You can have different SYLOGICALS.COM for each node.  Those procedures would  : $ define/sys/exe/trans=conc somelogical disk$user1:[foo1.]   on one node ande  : $ define/sys/exe/trans=conc somelogical disk$user2:[foo2.]  C and then the cluster-wide UAF would have /DEV=SOMELOGICAL/DIR=[BAR]s  K so that, when the person logs on, s/he sees the same directory, even thoughbK it's physically a different one.  Alternatively, you can have node-specificrL UAF files, with a different /DEV/DIR in each.  You'd have to be careful with system administration, though. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com>A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comt= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventi< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:33:00 GMTt3 From: sfgihps6qaz001@sneakemail.com (Mark Williams)e$ Subject: Re: VMS DEBUG V7.2 bugs me!. Message-ID: <3c9713b3.6616884@news.force9.net>  < On 7 Mar 2002 09:00:56 -0800, ohm62@hotmail.com (OHM) wrote:  
 >Hi folks, > = >VMS Alpha V7.2 DEBUG - I got lots of small problems with it!e  
 -- snip --  ? Try the debugger from VMS 7.3. It's much better and you can getr it from Compaq for VMS 7.2.p    
 Mark Williamso   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:54:16 GMTa' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>e3 Subject: Re: Who's got a working 11/750 in Germany?t$ Message-ID: <3c96fcb5$1@zfree.co.nz>   Mark,e= I'd appreciate it if you would keep author and text together.a< This way you're putting words in my mouth and yes, I do not % think that statement was true either.   @ IIRC DEC gladly sold 11/750's with massbus controllers, providedF they could find customers that wanted that very expensive combination.D Performance apart, the main advantage of the massbus was its abilityA to connect to 512MB disks, at a time when the RA80 (at 121MB) was C the unibus based alternative. Massbus equipment was considered highTD end 20 years ago and tended to end up connected to an 11/780, 11/782 or 11/785 system.   ) "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> wrote:n >>6 >"Paul Sture" <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote in message$ >news:3C962DEA.2010803@bluewin.ch... >> Hans Vlems wrote: >>I >> I as recall, DEC didn't want to sell massbus controllers with 11/750s.tH >> The only I saw were from OEMs. Indeed all the true DEC 11/750s I cameF >> across had unibus controllers. There was a noticeable difference in >> performance.s > K >I don't think you recall correctly. At two different companies, I had 750s ? >with Massbuss controllers to connect to the TU78s we also had.h > 
 >Mark Levy >SMA >o >r >l       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:14:22 -0500l- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>c3 Subject: Re: Who's got a working 11/750 in Germany?1( Message-ID: <3C9739BA.FAB569A6@ohio.edu>  H There was a brief window of time, I think in 1982, when the UDA50 or theH software to use it was not yet ready, but the RA-80 drive mechanism was,A so DEC really did sell RM-80 drives, with Massbus controllers, on A VAX-11/750 machines.  Because it did not use the controller-basednG bad-block replacement, the operating system saw it as a slightly largers drive (124 MB, as I recall). i   				RDPt     Hans Vlems wrote:  >  > Mark,r? > I'd appreciate it if you would keep author and text together. = > This way you're putting words in my mouth and yes, I do notn' > think that statement was true either.o > B > IIRC DEC gladly sold 11/750's with massbus controllers, providedH > they could find customers that wanted that very expensive combination.F > Performance apart, the main advantage of the massbus was its abilityC > to connect to 512MB disks, at a time when the RA80 (at 121MB) wasnE > the unibus based alternative. Massbus equipment was considered highJF > end 20 years ago and tended to end up connected to an 11/780, 11/782 > or 11/785 system.c > + > "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> wrote:e > >q8 > >"Paul Sture" <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote in message& > >news:3C962DEA.2010803@bluewin.ch... > >> Hans Vlems wrote: > >>K > >> I as recall, DEC didn't want to sell massbus controllers with 11/750s. J > >> The only I saw were from OEMs. Indeed all the true DEC 11/750s I cameH > >> across had unibus controllers. There was a noticeable difference in > >> performance.m > >mM > >I don't think you recall correctly. At two different companies, I had 750s A > >with Massbuss controllers to connect to the TU78s we also had.a > >d > >Mark Levy > >SMA > >* > >p > >  >  > http://www.zfree.co.nz   -- sB ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:30:39 GMT ' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>r3 Subject: Re: Who's got a working 11/750 in Germany? " Message-ID: <3c976700@zfree.co.nz>  M DEC probably had to modify the prices because I cannot imagine that customersu7 would readily agree to this "upgrade", given its price.3  7. "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote: >eI >There was a brief window of time, I think in 1982, when the UDA50 or the7I >software to use it was not yet ready, but the RA-80 drive mechanism was,iB >so DEC really did sell RM-80 drives, with Massbus controllers, onB >VAX-11/750 machines.  Because it did not use the controller-basedH >bad-block replacement, the operating system saw it as a slightly larger >drive (124 MB, as I recall).  >e >				RDP >o >a >Hans Vlems wrote: >> l >> Mark,@ >> I'd appreciate it if you would keep author and text together.> >> This way you're putting words in my mouth and yes, I do not( >> think that statement was true either. >> iC >> IIRC DEC gladly sold 11/750's with massbus controllers, providedhI >> they could find customers that wanted that very expensive combination.eG >> Performance apart, the main advantage of the massbus was its abilitydD >> to connect to 512MB disks, at a time when the RA80 (at 121MB) wasF >> the unibus based alternative. Massbus equipment was considered highG >> end 20 years ago and tended to end up connected to an 11/780, 11/782t >> or 11/785 system. >> s, >> "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> wrote: >> >9 >> >"Paul Sture" <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote in messaget' >> >news:3C962DEA.2010803@bluewin.ch...a >> >> Hans Vlems wrote:n >> >>hL >> >> I as recall, DEC didn't want to sell massbus controllers with 11/750s.K >> >> The only I saw were from OEMs. Indeed all the true DEC 11/750s I came I >> >> across had unibus controllers. There was a noticeable difference inq >> >> performance. >> >I >> >I don't think you recall correctly. At two different companies, I hadl 750sB >> >with Massbuss controllers to connect to the TU78s we also had. >> >
 >> >Mark Levy  >> >SMAD >> > >> > >> > >> r >> http://www.zfree.co.nzj >: >-- C >==================================================================tC >Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerfC >piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServiceseC >http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio Universityt       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:15:43 +0000 (UTC)-% From: "johnny o" <johnnyo@hotpop.com>5% Subject: Re: Your mother is so fat...D/ Message-ID: <a76oiv$64j$1@paris.btinternet.com>x  4 Interesting mix of newsgroups you subscribe to greg!  0 "Greg Lamb" <greg@linuxbin.com> wrote in message% news:3C96D2A8.4040508@linuxbin.com... E > Just in case anybody freaks out over this who hasn't heard about it>H > already, the following is all this idiot is doing, it's not a virus... > it's a Javascript loop >w >r > function tgos()a > {n >     while (true)E >         window.alert("** WARNING ** VirusScan has detected the TGOSnC > virus on your hard drive. If you have recently opened an email ortA > newsgroup message and see this alert your system is infected.")< > }> >N   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:00:18 GMTb# From: Greg Lamb <greg@linuxbin.com>p% Subject: Re: Your mother is so fat...b+ Message-ID: <3C96F00E.4020205@linuxbin.com>w  ; what do you mean??? i replied from comp.os.linux.networkingT  F are you talking about that alt.hentai crap? i replied to the original ) post which has a copy there, same as you.<     johnny o wrote:c  6 > Interesting mix of newsgroups you subscribe to greg! > 2 > "Greg Lamb" <greg@linuxbin.com> wrote in message' > news:3C96D2A8.4040508@linuxbin.com...= > E >>Just in case anybody freaks out over this who hasn't heard about it>H >>already, the following is all this idiot is doing, it's not a virus... >>it's a Javascript loop >> >> >>function tgos()> >>{T >>    while (true)E >>        window.alert("** WARNING ** VirusScan has detected the TGOS0C >>virus on your hard drive. If you have recently opened an email oriA >>newsgroup message and see this alert your system is infected.")  >>}= >> >> >  >      -- E linux bin dot com< http://news.linuxbin.com http://help.linuxbin.com http://files.linuxbin.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:09:22 -0500 " From: Hugh <hughe@frontiernet.net>% Subject: Re: Your mother is so fat...e/ Message-ID: <3C973882.D3E2989F@frontiernet.net>E   johnny o wrote:   6 > Interesting mix of newsgroups you subscribe to greg! >U2 > "Greg Lamb" <greg@linuxbin.com> wrote in message' > news:3C96D2A8.4040508@linuxbin.com...>G > > Just in case anybody freaks out over this who hasn't heard about it>J > > already, the following is all this idiot is doing, it's not a virus... > > it's a Javascript loop > >  > >  > > function tgos()U > > {  > >     while (true)G > >         window.alert("** WARNING ** VirusScan has detected the TGOS E > > virus on your hard drive. If you have recently opened an email orNC > > newsgroup message and see this alert your system is infected.")  > > }I > >>  G Not to interupt But if you have kids, And I do. You end up with lots ofe strange news groups :)   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:30:22 +0100 (MET)T& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>I Subject: Re: [OT]  NY Times Op-Ed misses point about unreliablity of PC's 6 Message-ID: <200203190730.IAA23529@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Andrew Harrison wrotes:F   >>>IB Well OpenOffice AKA StarOffice is very easy to install easier thanA MS Office in that it as easy to install but you don't have to payo for the process. <<<t  I Andrew you may be right. I am a fan of StarOffice (I do use version 5.1). E But since Sun did sold StarOffice the support is sh... The first timenH I did found am email address for support. The answer to my question was:F We are happy, that you have a question. Please look at the Linux groupI for an answer (my question was about a W95 problem). This was the onliest H answer. Weeks ago a did have a new question. I did not found any supportE line. Only FAQ's which do not match my question. May the support will - be better if we have to pay for this product.=   Best regards Rudolf WingertN  D P.S. Sun and MS, two vendors with the same mention: to be at the top"      of the world, regard the way.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2002 13:04:40 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)"I Subject: Re: [OT]  NY Times Op-Ed misses point about unreliablity of PC's , Message-ID: <a77d18$2tvc$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  & In article <3C960CA8.7000402@sun.com>,W  Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> writes:# |> FB |> I have just installed OpenOffice 6.0 FCS and it could hardly beE |> decribed as difficult, it also does a very good job on Powerpoint,93 |> Excel and Word docs though not ones with macros.l  C Considering the primary purpose of Macros in MS products, this moren" likely a plus rather than a minus.   bill   -- DJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  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