1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 155       Contents:: %SEARCHFAIL and %OPENIN messages mess up filespecs with %s& Advertising CORBA services clusterwide CNN tidbits on vote  Re: CNN tidbits on vote  Re: CNN tidbits on vote  Re: CNN tidbits on vote  COBOL / HPClosedVMS training? 4 Re: configuring nic for decnet and lock traffic only4 Re: configuring nic for decnet and lock traffic only% Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k  Re: DECWrite update E Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username? E Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username? E Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username? E Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username? > Re: Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructure> Re: Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructure  Re: Help for Vax-Basic tutorials< Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?< Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?< Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?< Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister? Re: How to user SYS$PERSONA_xxx  Re: How to user SYS$PERSONA_xxx  HP Press Release on the vote  Re: HP Press Release on the voteG Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux  HPCL minute of the day: HP/EOD" Re: HPCL minute of the day: HP/EOD< RE: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before< Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before= RE: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before? = RE: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before? = Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before? = Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before? 0 Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail? Re: JavaONE 2002 Re: LD062 Install Question Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Plan B for Compaq  Re: Talk about downtime....   Re: Tape compaction performance? Re: The Inquirer & the Irony Re: The Inquirer & the Irony Re: The Inquirer & the Irony Too close to call says BBC Re: Too close to call says BBC Re: Too close to call says BBC& Re: tool to calc recursive dir sises ? Re: TROJAN ALERT! (JS/Loop) & VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed ***** Re: VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed ***** Re: VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed ***** Re: VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed ***** Re: VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed ***** Re: Witch streamer supported vax-4000-90 ?* Re: Witch streamer supported vax-4000-90 ?) [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's? - Re: [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's? - Re: [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's? ) [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's? - Re: [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 16:27:52 -0800& From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG)C Subject: %SEARCHFAIL and %OPENIN messages mess up filespecs with %s = Message-ID: <dd3f0cb7.0203191627.3576cacf@posting.google.com>   " OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha with ODS2 disks:    $ delete sys$system:abc%%%.def;*) %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for " SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]ABC^%^%^%.DEF;* -RMS-E-FNF, file not found   $ show process/parse ...  Parse Style: Traditional  B The "^"s before any and all "%" in a file spec. always appear in aF OPENIN or SEARCHFAIL message generated by DELETE, PURGE, TYPE, RENAME,1 SET FILE, SEARCH, SUBMIT, COPY, etc. DCL command.   < This may seem a silly bug to worry about, but I have to keep explaining it to users.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:46:15 GMT   From: Anamika <anamika@home.com>/ Subject: Advertising CORBA services clusterwide < Message-ID: <Xns91D6A06E0D501hemaniryahoocom@207.181.101.12>   Hi, F    Iam interested in knowing whether CORBA services can be advertised  clusterwide in a cluster. J So, if a corba client requests for the service, any available node in the $ cluster will respond to the request.) This is for a failover situation in mind.    Thanks,  -A   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:10:35 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: CNN tidbits on vote, Message-ID: <3C97D373.E2437AFA@videotron.ca>   CNN reported on the vote.   N -Carly was booed a few times during the meeting, especially when she mentioned$ that she had support from employees.  ( -Many were supportive of Walter Hewlett.  E CNN showed Carly saying that shareholders seem to have chosen to move L forwards. She didn't seem very happy, she was very serious. Definitely not a victory speech.   Q Hewlett didn't declare victory, he just said that the vote was too close to call.   G CNN showed a lone up of people waiting to enter, and they showed people 3 carrying "NO" banners, but no banners saying "YES".    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Mar 2002 00:27:40 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)   Subject: Re: CNN tidbits on vote+ Message-ID: <a78l1s$o4k$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   , In article <3C97D373.E2437AFA@videotron.ca>,0  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: |> CNN reported on the vote. |>  Q |> -Carly was booed a few times during the meeting, especially when she mentioned ' |> that she had support from employees.  |>  + |> -Many were supportive of Walter Hewlett.  |>  H |> CNN showed Carly saying that shareholders seem to have chosen to moveO |> forwards. She didn't seem very happy, she was very serious. Definitely not a  |> victory speech. |>  T |> Hewlett didn't declare victory, he just said that the vote was too close to call. |>  J |> CNN showed a lone up of people waiting to enter, and they showed people6 |> carrying "NO" banners, but no banners saying "YES".  I I suppose others here have been watching the stock tickers.  Anybody want I to hazard a guess at what time the "official" announcement of success was  made by HP??  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:34:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>   Subject: Re: CNN tidbits on vote, Message-ID: <3C97F530.B2E4A688@videotron.ca>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:K > I suppose others here have been watching the stock tickers.  Anybody want K > to hazard a guess at what time the "official" announcement of success was  > made by HP??  :-)    Compare:- http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_charts?sym=HWP - http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_charts?sym=CPQ   N Seems to me that the sharp drop in HP stock isn't exactly indicative of a highN degree of confidence. A drop of 2% means that there is a substantial number ofN investors unhappy about the situation, not just some fringe group who wouldn't' hold enough share to cause such a move.   N I have to wonder if a substantial number of major shareholders might have saidM "YES" publicly, but at the same time made bets on the stock going down if the  deal was approved.  K The fact that Compaq's stock shut up 7% after the announcement means that a J whole lot of people are happy to unload a stock they had no confidence in.M Capellas shouldn't be bragging about the fact that his shareholders are happy  to get rid of his stock.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:44:55 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>  Subject: Re: CNN tidbits on vote@ Message-ID: <btUl8.28938$4I.3226523@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C97F530.B2E4A688@videotron.ca... > Bill Gunshannon wrote:H > > I suppose others here have been watching the stock tickers.  Anybody wantI > > to hazard a guess at what time the "official" announcement of success  was  > > made by HP??  :-)  > 
 > Compare:/ > http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_charts?sym=HWP / > http://www.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_charts?sym=CPQ  > K > Seems to me that the sharp drop in HP stock isn't exactly indicative of a  high > degree of confidence.   D To at least some degree, the drop in HP stock has nothing to do withL confidence:  it reflects the difference between the merger offer's 62.5% (?)K HP-for-Compaq share exchange and the current difference in stock prices, as K discussed here a few days ago (i.e., since the current price difference was J more than that reflected in the merger offer, HP went down and Compaq went up).   ...   K > The fact that Compaq's stock shut up 7% after the announcement means that  a L > whole lot of people are happy to unload a stock they had no confidence in.I > Capellas shouldn't be bragging about the fact that his shareholders are  happy  > to get rid of his stock.  L I think you're confused:  when people unload, the stock price goes down, notH up.  Not to say that no one was unloading, but the price increase provesI that more people wanted to buy than to sell, because if the merger indeed J goes through (as now seems likely) the value of the Compaq stock will, allD other things being equal, be higher than it was before 2 P.M. today.  K The only possibly significant aspect to today's movements was that the rise J in CPQ was a fairly minor event that kept the price in the same range it'sK been trading in for the past several months (and was at as recently as last L week), while the fall in HWP brought it to its lowest value (at least at theK resolution in the charts you cited) since last November.  In the same vein, L if the merger offer was indeed .625 then Compaq didn't rise nearly enough toJ reach that ratio (and both stocks fell in after-hours trading), indicatingF that the market in general isn't exactly bullish on the success of the merged entity.  J I suppose there's a really outside chance that the institutional investorsH aren't as stupid as they seem.  If the larger ones feel they hold enoughF Compaq shares to control the outcome of tomorrow's vote (especially asG non-votes are effectively 'no' votes tomorrow, unlike today), then they K could have decided to see how the market reacted to today's fiasco and keep K their options open tomorrow, rather than decide finally today.  An unlikely C and risky strategy, perhaps, but if they actually realize their own I incompetence to evaluate the situation they might be looking for one last  market indication.  K Doubt it, though:  betting against stupidity as the explanation (when it so # easily could be) is usually a lose.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:44:54 +0100 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> & Subject: COBOL / HPClosedVMS training?' Message-ID: <3C97A345.262804B6@free.fr>   L Where can I find in Europe a training on HP ClosedVMS, in English or French?   URGENT.    Merci.   D. --  H   ----------------------------------------------------------------------H MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlH Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670H 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418  H Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, HPClosedVMS ExpertiseH On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 18:06:02 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) = Subject: Re: configuring nic for decnet and lock traffic only = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0203191806.2e2b657d@posting.google.com>   k darrin-husmann@ouhsc.edu (darrin) wrote in message news:<2a7950c9.0203190657.c167705@posting.google.com>... 9 > I have an OpenVMS alpha cluster and was wondering what  @ > commands need to be ran to configure NIC cards to accept/route > only the lock traffic.  B By default, VMS will enable all NIC cards for SCS protocol trafficB (which is what lock requests are carried over).  So all you reallyB need to do is avoid starting any other protocols on the given NIC.  E If it's a NIC that you've just added to the system, then you probably D don't need to do anything (unless it has been added in such a way --E e.g. in "front" of an existing NIC of similar type in logical PCI bus E terms -- such that it has taken on the same device name as a previous 8 NIC with the same first two letters of the device name).  @ If you're trying to clear up stuff on an existing NIC, then, forE example, for DECnet Phase IV, use NCP to PURGE and CLEAR the LINE and A CIRCUIT associated with the NIC, if they exist.  DECnet/OSI, UCX, E Multinet, etc. have analogous commands (which I can't remember).  For F LAT, check LAT$SYSTARTUP.COM and remove any LATCP CREATE LINK commands
 for that NIC.   E The SDA ($ANALYZE/SYSTEM) command SHOW LAN will tell you exactly what D protocols are active on a given NIC.  SCS has protocol type 60-07 in the display.. ----------------------------------------------. Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:08:01 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)= Subject: Re: configuring nic for decnet and lock traffic only K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1903022108010001@1cust138.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   < In article <2a7950c9.0203190657.c167705@posting.google.com>,( darrin-husmann@ouhsc.edu (darrin) wrote:  8 >I have an OpenVMS alpha cluster and was wondering what ? >commands need to be ran to configure NIC cards to accept/route  >only the lock traffic.   , That depends quite a bit on the VMS version.  L Let me ask it a different way:  what is using the NIC that you want to stop?  J DECnet, TCP/IP, and LAT can all be configured to keep their hands off of a? particular interface.  See the docs for the particular product.   D At VMS 7.3 and later, the SCACP utility lets you control the clusterI software's use of network adapters.  See the V7.3 new features manual for D an overview, or the System Management Utilities Reference Manual for details.  G Before 7.3, there was some less polished tool (whose name escapes me at 2 the moment) to turn off cluster traffic on a path.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:58:04 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> . Subject: Re: Connecting to VMS Samba via win2k* Message-ID: <3C97FCA2.3040308@qsl.network>   Roy Omond wrote: > K > As far as I'm aware, you'll need at least Samba 2.0.6 (or was it 2.0.8 ?)  > to work with W2K.   I It is actually 2.0.7 that is the minimum to work reliably, but for other  3 versions the failures are reported to intermittant.   I As I understand it, problem is that every so often the client and server  G spend a lot of time trying to negotiate a transfer frame size.  It may  I be that the older SAMBA versions are not trying to be as accomodating as   newer SAMBA.  H 2.0.6 is the latest that I am aware of binaries for, and they currently  require OpenVMS 7.0 or later.   F Getting it to 2.0.10 or an earlier version of OpenVMS requires a very B SMOP, and I have outlined the steps on the SAMBA for OpenVMS list.    I > I'm sure John Malmberg has mentioned this on the VMS Samba mailing list < > recently:  see http://lists.samba.org/pipermail/samba-vms/  F Actually the FAQ that attempts to cover it does not seem to be there. ? It should be in the SAMBA for OpenVMS FAQ that has been posted  B comp.os.vms and also in the SAMBA topic  in the VMS conference on  Encompasserve.  3 http://www.google.com should be able to produce it.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:58:51 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: DECWrite update) Message-ID: <3C978A6B.7000508@bluewin.ch>    Rich Jordan wrote:  J > The Q1 (March) Alpha SPL for OpenVMS includes DECwrite V3.1a, which willJ > reputedly run under OpenVMS V7.3 and/or Motif 1.2.6; presumably the bitsI > that relied on Display Postscript have been excised or otherwise worked 	 > around.  > M > I'm still leaving my primary system at V7.2-1 simply because DPS is so darn:K > useful for some of my work, but at least DECwrite (or Compaq DECwrite...)B+ > will run on it if I ever have to upgrade.     ` I can confirm that with 7.3 on Alpha, the DECwrite which was installed on 7.2-1 now aborts with     6 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image XDPS$DPSLIBSHR/ (I assume the DPS refers to Display PostScript)   H I haven't tried reinstalling the original ro see if that works, as I no   longer have the 7.2 layered CDs.     __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:51:55 -0500s+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>nN Subject: Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username?3 Message-ID: <3GMl8.1188$fL6.25141@news.cpqcorp.net>i  < "Mark Daniel" <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message( news:3C978636.8070603@wasd.vsm.com.au... > Rick Barry wrote:o > 8< snip 8<H > > The same functionality is possible on OpenVMS using persona servicesE > > internally to Apache. The UAF account associated with the UserDirw	 directiveeK > > will be used to create/assume a persona and then create a subprocess touE > > handle the script (running under that username). Controls will bee	 availableeF > > to the system manager to enable/disable this feature as well as to controli$ > > which UAF accounts are eligible. > 8< snip 8< > Have you tried this?D > I remember playing with this some time ago and discovered that theH > $PERSONA change affected the entire job tree.  One process in the tree? > has a particular persona, they all have.  This obviated using C > subprocesses for this purpose which is (one reason) why WASD uses F > detached.  (Mind you this was a while back and $PERSONA does seem to > have been a moving target.)AH > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+G >   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaideaH >   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)H > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ >m  # Yes, we've tried it and it works :)B  G Personas were overhauled in VMS 7.2 and are kernel-thread aware. When a?E persona is "assumed" and a call to $CREPRC is made, the newly creatednC process gets a copy of the security profile of the calling process. K (LIB$SPAWN may be an exception, in that the new created subprocess containssI the original security profile of the main process. I don't recall off theeK top of my head if this is true.) CSWS uses $CREPRC instead of LIB$SPAWN, soe it works as I've described.   H As an aside, a lot of work was done in 7.2 for personas. One of the niceJ things to come out of that work was the automatic switching of personas inF an application that uses DECthreads. That makes managing personas in a6 threaded application a lot simpler than it used to be.  
 Rick Barry Compaq Secure Web Server OpenVMS System Software Groupi Compaq Computer Corporations
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 13:58:23 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)eN Subject: Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username?3 Message-ID: <dp56kAC9ZO4V@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  ` In article <3C978636.8070603@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes: > Rick Barry wrote:r > 8< snip 8<G >> The same functionality is possible on OpenVMS using persona services N >> internally to Apache. The UAF account associated with the UserDir directiveJ >> will be used to create/assume a persona and then create a subprocess toN >> handle the script (running under that username). Controls will be availableM >> to the system manager to enable/disable this feature as well as to controli# >> which UAF accounts are eligible.- > 8< snip 8< > Have you tried this?E > I remember playing with this some time ago and discovered that the gI > $PERSONA change affected the entire job tree.  One process in the tree 2@ > has a particular persona, they all have.  This obviated using D > subprocesses for this purpose which is (one reason) why WASD uses G > detached.  (Mind you this was a while back and $PERSONA does seem to i > have been a moving target.)s  @ Alpha VMS V7.2 brought an entirely new implementation of personaD support, and brand new interfaces for those who choose to manipulate them.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:08:10 +0100 6 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DFran=E7ois=20PI=C9RONNE?= N Subject: Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username?* Message-ID: <3C979AAA.2332DF4@laposte.net>  + Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr writes:  > c > In article <fzIl8.1164$fL6.24892@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes:h > >> > >> ...2 > >> >suEXEC is planned for the next CSWS release. > >>L > >> I'm moderately surprised, since this seemed like a really Unix-specific
 > >> feature.n > >> ... > >wG > >The same functionality is possible on OpenVMS using persona servicesaN > >internally to Apache. The UAF account associated with the UserDir directiveJ > >will be used to create/assume a persona and then create a subprocess toN > >handle the script (running under that username). Controls will be availableM > >to the system manager to enable/disable this feature as well as to controle# > >which UAF accounts are eligible.  > L > Thanks for the explanation.  (I assume you mean User directive rather thanG > UserDir, above.)  That implementation makes plenty of sense, and it'si      . From http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html: """aC 18. Is the target user/group the same as the program's user/group? e# Is the user the owner of the file? D """t  P This mean that the account executing the script must be the owner of the script.  F So it's really a UserDir directive, and don't seem to provide the same4 flexibility and security of what WASD (OSU ?) offer.        K > basically what WASD and OSU do.  (OSU requires excessive cleverness sinceaG > the main server isn't installed with IMPERSONATE privilege, so it hastL > another process that acts as a gateway to differently-personaed children.)H > I was more surprised that you'd still call it "suEXEC", since the _su_L > command is a Unix command and it seems (from a quick reading of the suEXECG > faq on the apache.org site) that the implementation is also very Unixd > specific.  >  > Best,- > 	 > -- Alan- > Q > ===============================================================================t2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056sO >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210tQ > ===============================================================================p   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:02:16 GMT/L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")N Subject: Re: Does CSWS/Apache support script execution under another username?8 Message-ID: <00A0B2DF.8581165A@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  | In article <3C979AAA.2332DF4@laposte.net>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DFran=E7ois=20PI=C9RONNE?=	<jf.pieronne@laposte.net> writes: >  >b, >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr writes: >> ld >> In article <fzIl8.1164$fL6.24892@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes: >> >>p	 >> >> ...s3 >> >> >suEXEC is planned for the next CSWS release.  >> >>pM >> >> I'm moderately surprised, since this seemed like a really Unix-specifict >> >> feature.	 >> >> ...  >> >H >> >The same functionality is possible on OpenVMS using persona servicesO >> >internally to Apache. The UAF account associated with the UserDir directive@K >> >will be used to create/assume a persona and then create a subprocess to.O >> >handle the script (running under that username). Controls will be available N >> >to the system manager to enable/disable this feature as well as to control$ >> >which UAF accounts are eligible. >> cM >> Thanks for the explanation.  (I assume you mean User directive rather than"H >> UserDir, above.)  That implementation makes plenty of sense, and it's >r >  >t/ >From http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html:t >"""D >18. Is the target user/group the same as the program's user/group? $ >Is the user the owner of the file?  >""" > Q >This mean that the account executing the script must be the owner of the script.  > G >So it's really a UserDir directive, and don't seem to provide the samee5 >flexibility and security of what WASD (OSU ?) offer.d  K Ah, okay.  Rick had mentioned, in the first response, the User directive ineJ <VirtualHost> containers, which might mean the capability to run differentL VirtualHosts as different users.  (Although I have some trouble wrapping my I head around that, since it looks like it  would mean either a process per K VirtualHost, or, potentially, a whole heck of a lot of persona swapping as sO the same process pool handled a stream of requests for different hosts.  But itrC might be interpreted as the user to create processes under for that & virtualhost, which wouldn't be so bad.   -- Alan       R >> ===============================================================================3 >>  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUnP >>  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056P >>  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210R >> ===============================================================================  O ===============================================================================d0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056rM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:12:52 GMTl0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)G Subject: Re: Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructurei8 Message-ID: <3c979bde.679119612@proxy.news.easynews.com>  B On 19 MAR 2002 15:12:14 GMT, karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote:   C >How ironic that the former head of Microsoft security is now vice o< >chairman of the "Critical Infrastructure Protection Board."= >If past performance is any indication then we're all doomed.r  > It's not necessarily fair to blame Mr. Schmidt for Microsoft's9 security ills.  Very possibly he pointed out the securityt; problems, only to have his objections overridden.  Possiblyl that's why he left Microsoft.b  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.h   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 13:09:14 -0800% From: rnturn@baxter.com (Rick Turner) G Subject: Re: Ex MS security head now protects US digital infrastructurer< Message-ID: <9697b9e2.0203191309.4d05454@posting.google.com>  r karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote in message news:<19MAR02.15121432@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>...D > How ironic that the former head of Microsoft security is now vice = > chairman of the "Critical Infrastructure Protection Board.":> > If past performance is any indication then we're all doomed.  % Sort of the Peter Principle Plus, eh?0   >  > From Edupage:n >    [snip]  J > from critical infrastructure operators. Schmidt, who formerly headed <--J > security at Microsoft, said the board was also looking at a Cyber    <--? > Warning Information Network that would mitigate the threat of-D > viruses to the nation's vital systems, and was targeting educationA > on ethical computer use at the primary school level. Of all thec  A That's right. Don't bother worrying about all the cruddy software@@ that's running the infrastructure. Let's lecture grade schoolers instead.  A This is typical of what the government does when presented with a F problem.  Pass some law or make some declaration that looks and soundsD good but has all the effectiveness of bailing out the Titanic with aC teacup. People who are inclined to write viruses won't be dissuadedwC from doing so because they attended a class in the school's gym.  AdD class that, no doubt, will be held because the school district fearsC losing some Federal funding.  Rather like the Federal highway fundsoF are used as a club to get the States to bend to some new Federal rule.C  When will my daughters find the time to learn about science, math,e@ reading, etc. when their precious little time in school is spent9 attending lectures on why it's bad to make Windows crash..  B And how is educating American grade schoolers going to protect the@ infrastructure from the viruses written abroad?  Ah... just as I thought.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 18:18:20 -0800" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)) Subject: Re: Help for Vax-Basic tutorialsT= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0203191818.1756c0e6@posting.google.com>h  D Is there anything in particular that you are trying to do or example that you are looking for?c   It's a rather broad question...c   Joe   l Anjan Sarkar <anjans@metalogicsystems.com> wrote in message news:<3C95E45F.43E00843@metalogicsystems.com>... > Hello,* > Where can I get tutorials for Vax-Basic? > Thanking you in anticipation.m
 > Regards, > Anjan Sarkar   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2002 19:49:36 GMT) From: wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte)3E Subject: Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?9? Message-ID: <3c979650$0$24808$e4fe514c@dreader3.news.xs4all.nl>u  W In <18MAR02.20562690@feda01.fed.ornl.gov> Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes:d  + >wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte) wrote:tZ >> In <18MAR02.16402873@feda01.fed.ornl.gov> Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes: >>  N >> >I have a DEC DSP3107L disk that may be bad but we have no backup so I wantM >> >to see if I can recover anything.  I'm trying to install it in one of the J >> >white Storageworks canisters in a BA353-AE (Storageworks "pizza" box).M >> >Of course, I don't have any docs on the box or canisters.  When I installeI >> >it on my 3400, VMS (7.2-1) configures the disk and shows that it is atP >> >DEC DSP3107LS.  But when I try to mount it I get "%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium isO >> >offline".  Before the disk was shipped to me (it was off-site), we tried totM >> >mount it using a different external box.  That also failed, but the errorrJ >> >message was different (no home block, IIRC).  So I'm wondering if I'veI >> >connected the canister cables correctly to the drive.  Can (and will)rN >> >anyone tell me how the canister wires should be attached to the drive?  Or >> >point to some on-line docs?t >>  F >> Basically if you put the big flexwire in (between the DIN41612 greyK >> connector and the IDC 50pin connector on the drive) you are all set. TheeO >> drive will be fixed at SCSI ID 0 though. The smaller flexwire, which is diskeI >> type specific, will drive the activity and fault LEDs and set the SCSIa> >> ID based on which backplane slot the SBB is installed into.  M >I knew I wasn't being specific enough in my original posting - just couldn'tMH >see where.  I have the big flexwire and power connected okay.  It's theL >"disk type specific" flexwire - or, in my case, sets of wire pairs that I'mN >concerned about.  I have blue+black, red+black, green+black and yellow+black.M >The blue & green pairs drive the LEDs.  I'm not sure which pins they connecty >to on the drive.p  K Ah, I see. You have a white generic-SBB carrier that we sold for some time.MF I don't have the docs on the wiring. If I were to do this I would justK leave the wires out and run the disk at SCSI ID 0 for the recovery process.b   Shortcut.. granted.J   Wilkot   --% |   / o / /_  _   		wilko@FreeBSD.org-0 |/|/ / / /(  (_)  Bulte		Arnhem, the Netherlands   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:56:05 +0100-9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> E Subject: Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?i' Message-ID: <3C9797D5.A43C93FE@aaa.com>d  F Or use ordinary small jumpers to set the disk to whatever SCSI addressG you like. The ID 0 *could*, in some cases, be used by an internal disk.n   Jan-Erik Sderholm.V   Wilko Bulte wrote: >  > C > If I were to do this I would just leave the wires out and run theq- > disk at SCSI ID 0 for the recovery process.  >  > Shortcut.. granted.f >    ------------------------------   Date: 19 MAR 2002 21:10:35 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>tE Subject: Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?c2 Message-ID: <19MAR02.21103585@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  A In a previous article, wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte) wrote: M > Ah, I see. You have a white generic-SBB carrier that we sold for some time. H > I don't have the docs on the wiring. If I were to do this I would justM > leave the wires out and run the disk at SCSI ID 0 for the recovery process.e >  - > Shortcut.. granted.4  = Shortcut or not it was worth a try.  Unfortunately I just getu? "%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline".  Ah well.  Thanks anyway.i   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVsH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:52:35 GMTn> From: "news-server.rochester.rr.com" <kevino@rochester.rr.com>E Subject: Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?e< Message-ID: <DXRl8.122693$nl1.21906634@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>  I I  believe one of those jumpers is for drive spin up, at least this could?B explain the medium offline error. Does the drive spin on power up?L if not try one jumper at a time and just power up until the drive spins?  OrH the spin up jumper could be on the bottom of the drive, same suggestion.  ) Kevin O'Reilly    kevino@rochester.rr.com 4 SMP Services    the artist formally known as digital    8 "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message, news:19MAR02.21103585@feda01.fed.ornl.gov...C > In a previous article, wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte) wrote: I > > Ah, I see. You have a white generic-SBB carrier that we sold for some( time.nJ > > I don't have the docs on the wiring. If I were to do this I would justF > > leave the wires out and run the disk at SCSI ID 0 for the recovery process. > >r > > Shortcut.. granted.  >n? > Shortcut or not it was worth a try.  Unfortunately I just getPA > "%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline".  Ah well.  Thanks anyway.  >f > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVuJ > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 12:57:37 -0800 From: hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy)t( Subject: Re: How to user SYS$PERSONA_xxx< Message-ID: <2c0966c2.0203191257.bcbe73b@posting.google.com>   Hi All:o  ?   I think it will make more sense if i include the source code.aE I try to use ISS$M_CREATE_AUTHPRIV and the program compiles and linkseC without any problems. However, when I try to run the program. I gotpD the access violation error <SS$_ACCVIO> "The persona argument cannotD be written by the caller"  I am confused of what's going on. It willC be a tremedous help if someone can point out what i am doing wrong.n Thanks for your time.S  A P.S the issdef.h file is extracted from the DECC$LIB directory asD) indicated by the include directive below.    Sammyc     #include "library.h"K #include "DKA300:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.SYS$STARLET_C]ISSDEF.H"w  
 int main() {    	int status; 	unsigned int persona = 0; 	unsigned int oldPersona = 0;    	char name[32];A 	struct dsc$descriptor_d user;" 	user.dsc$b_dtype = DSC$K_DTYPE_T;" 	user.dsc$b_class = DSC$K_CLASS_D; 	user.dsc$a_pointer = name;     	strcpy(name, (char *) "SCHEN");  # 	int flag3 = ISS$M_CREATE_AUTHPRIV;a    / 	cout << "System UID is: " << getuid() << endl;i  : 	// use persona services to assum identity of another user; 	status = sys$persona_create(&persona, &user, flag3, 0, 0);p   	if(status == SS$_USERDISABLED)d 	{> 		cout << "SYS$PERSONA_CREATE -> User name disabled." << endl; 		return -1; 	}   	if(status == SS$_IVMODE)r 	{3 		cout << "SYS$PERSONA_CREATE -> The caller cannot eB                          create a persona that is more privileged 3                          than the caller." << endl;s 		return -1; 	}   	if(status == SS$_INSFARG  ) 	{; 		cout << "SYS$PERSONA_CREATE -> Certain required argumentsp6                         were not specified. " << endl; 		return -1; 	}   	if(status == SS$_BADPARAM)- 	{: 		cout << "SYS$PERSONA_CREATE -> The value of at least oneA                          of the arguments is incorrect." << endl;u 		return -1; 	}   	if(status == SS$_INVARG)  	{: 		cout << "SYS$PERSONA_CREATE -> An incorrect combination =                         of arguments was specified." << endl;8 		return -1; 	}   	if(status == SS$_INSFMEM) 	{> 		cout << "SYS$PERSONA_CREATE -> Insufficient memory" << endl; 		return -1; 	}   	if(status == SS$_ACCVIO ) 	{< 		cout << "SYS$PERSONA_CREATE -> The persona argument cannot<                         be written by the caller. " << endl; 		return -1; 	}   	if(status == SS$_NOPRIV)l 	{8 		cout << "SYS$PERSONA_CREATE -> The operation requires 9                          IMPERSONATE privilege." << endl;r 		return -1; 	}  : 	status = sys$persona_assume(&persona, 0, &oldPersona, 0);   	if(status != SS$_NORMAL)h 	{4 		cout << "SYS$PERSONA_ASSUME failed to assume as a 2                          different user." << endl; 		return -1; 	}  0 	cout << "Sammy's UID is: " << getuid() << endl;         return 0;i }a   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 14:07:58 -0800 From: hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy)c( Subject: Re: How to user SYS$PERSONA_xxx= Message-ID: <2c0966c2.0203191407.1a061536@posting.google.com>h   Just an add-on:?  ! i noticed the manual states that:t  C All calls to $PERSONA_CREATE require IMPERSONATE privilege and ready, access to the system authorization database.    F I was using my regular user account which has the following privileges ->   $ show proc/priv  > 19-MAR-2002 17:07:57.52   User: SCHEN            Process ID:   00000984F                           Node: ALPHA2           Process name: "SCHEN"   Authorized privileges:A  GRPNAM       IMPERSONATE  NETMBX       PRMMBX       READALL     l SYSNAM  TMPMBX"   Process privileges:m<  GRPNAM               may insert in group logical name table2  IMPERSONATE          may impersonate another user/  NETMBX               may create network device 2  PRMMBX               may create permanent mailbox4  READALL              may read anything as the owner=  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name tableD2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox   Process rights:3+  SCHEN                             resource9  INTERACTIVE  REMOTE,   System rights:  SYS$NODE_ALPHA2   =  F Does the READALL privilegese give me the right to read from the systemE authorization database? If not, what privileges do I need? thanks fors	 the help.A   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:37:32 -0500S& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>% Subject: HP Press Release on the voteD4 Message-ID: <3c979324_2@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com>  4 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/19mar02a.htm    N ______________________________________________________________________________N Posted Via Binaries.net = SPEED+RETENTION+COMPLETION = http://www.binaries.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:49:18 +0100>- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr>e) Subject: Re: HP Press Release on the vote ' Message-ID: <3C97A44E.7CCBE83C@free.fr>i   Is it a final HPision?   :-))   D.   Jeff Killeen wrote:i > 6 > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/19mar02a.htm > P > ______________________________________________________________________________P > Posted Via Binaries.net = SPEED+RETENTION+COMPLETION = http://www.binaries.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:32:48 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux+ Message-ID: <3C97BC8F.AAC11CE@videotron.ca>v   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:H > Again.  I repeat.  You can argue about if the strategy was good or badK > (obviously it failed), but it wasn't designed because they *wanted* it tou > fail.   N If the mismanagement of Alpha was due to sheer incompetence or lack of vision,K then those who elevated Palmer to that position are to be held responsible.h  N However, since Palmer admitted that during the last 3 yeasr of Digital, he wasL acting on many of Pfeiffer's "suggestions" to make Digital more palatable to; Compaq, it is quite possible that he had given up on Alpha.i  M Look at a press release recently brought back by a poster here which outlinediG some of the actions Digital was to make as part of the deal where Intel G relieved Digital from its FAB burden. At that time, Digital was alreadye% committing to building stuff on IA64.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:43:23 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux- Message-ID: <faPl8.71356$Yv2.28034@rwcrnsc54>=  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3C97BC8F.AAC11CE@videotron.ca...N > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:J > > Again.  I repeat.  You can argue about if the strategy was good or badJ > > (obviously it failed), but it wasn't designed because they *wanted* it to	 > > fail.  >=H > If the mismanagement of Alpha was due to sheer incompetence or lack of vision,=@ > then those who elevated Palmer to that position are to be held responsible.  L That (or those) would be the Digital Board of Directors. Current whereabouts unknown.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:46:40 +0100 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr>=' Subject: HPCL minute of the day: HP/EOD=' Message-ID: <3C97A3AF.2764BDF3@free.fr>-  E I get a syntax error in the following line and do not figure out why:    $ type sys$input $HPm   hello sailor   $EOD $ exit   :-))   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:26:45 GMT91 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>2+ Subject: Re: HPCL minute of the day: HP/EODl' Message-ID: <3C9811A6.D231A3B8@fsi.net>e   Didier Morandi wrote:  > G > I get a syntax error in the following line and do not figure out why:B >  > $ type sys$input > $HP  >  > hello sailor >  > $EOD > $ exit >  > :-)) >  > D.   Oh, for the love of ...r   -- o David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:24 -0500-* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>E Subject: RE: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before - Message-ID: <0033000056970071000002L012*@MHS>t  6 =0AThis has been discussed at length in the newsgroup;  7 Do a Google Groups search limited to comp.os.vms and one the term 164LX.g  9 I wrote the list below before actually looking on Google.r  ; Having looked now, my recollection seems to be pretty good, 7 as the first four look correct from what's in the first. screen of posts that come up.y  < Fred K, Hoff and Islandco come up as having opined in detail about the 164LX.  9 I don't remember specific details but seem to recall thatc? (in other words, don't beat me up if I'm wrong on any of these)i  8 1) it's *seriously* unsupported to about the same extent    as VMS on a Multia is;r 2) it might be doable; 3) it isn't easy;u< 4) David Turner at Island Computer might have had some input,    as to components that work or don't work;$ 5) it may be illegal in some states.  " (just kidding about the last one.)   HTHs   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETh% Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:21 PMeB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETE Subject: RE: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here beforel    F I may have an opportunity to pick up an Aspen Systems "Durango" 533MHzD Alpha processor workstation, which is apparently based on the CompaqE AlphaPC 164LX "baby ATX" motherboard. Anybody know if it can run VMS?hH I'm a little concerned that it has IDE on board rather than SCSI, but I=  H seem to remember 7.3 having limited support for IDE. I have a SCSI boar= dlH that's VMS compatible if necessary, but I'd prefer to have a single fla= t < board to work with. (I'm not planning on using a video card)  D There's also some DEC Alpha Personal Workstations on the market thatE look likely. Anything I should watch out for? I seem to remember somec; were crippled and unable to boot VMS. Were they the "au"'s?h   Shane=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:03:10 +0000n& From: Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>E Subject: Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here beforeo8 Message-ID: <ds1g9ugo2bic57q15iuvvvgbdphbua6198@4ax.com>  0 On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:24 -0500, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:   >i >T > 9 >1) it's *seriously* unsupported to about the same extenti >   as VMS on a Multia is;  E Not true.  VMS unnmodified  boots on and recognises the 164LX. VMS on F the Multia requires foreign boot support and a "0" unit hobby license.D Commercial license with the appropriate number of units work fine on the 164LX.     >2) it might be doable;3 >3) it isn't easy;   It is actually dead easy.S  D Despite what Fred said, Digital licensed VMS to resellers of systemsF based on the 164LX (www.microway.com will still sell you one) and bootF and license support was added to VMS. Why it doesn't appear in the SPD is a good question,1   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:15:45 -0800w$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>F Subject: RE: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?0 Message-ID: <01C1CF50.BE356C30@sulfer.icius.com>  F I may have an opportunity to pick up an Aspen Systems "Durango" 533MHzD Alpha processor workstation, which is apparently based on the CompaqE AlphaPC 164LX "baby ATX" motherboard. Anybody know if it can run VMS? G I'm a little concerned that it has IDE on board rather than SCSI, but I H seem to remember 7.3 having limited support for IDE. I have a SCSI boardH that's VMS compatible if necessary, but I'd prefer to have a single flat< board to work with. (I'm not planning on using a video card)  D There's also some DEC Alpha Personal Workstations on the market thatE look likely. Anything I should watch out for? I seem to remember some>; were crippled and unable to boot VMS. Were they the "au"'s?    Shane?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:05:03 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")F Subject: RE: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?8 Message-ID: <00A0B2DF.E905B050@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  W In article <01C1CF50.BE356C30@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:h  G >I may have an opportunity to pick up an Aspen Systems "Durango" 533MHziE >Alpha processor workstation, which is apparently based on the CompaqhF >AlphaPC 164LX "baby ATX" motherboard. Anybody know if it can run VMS?H >I'm a little concerned that it has IDE on board rather than SCSI, but II >seem to remember 7.3 having limited support for IDE. I have a SCSI board I >that's VMS compatible if necessary, but I'd prefer to have a single flatt= >board to work with. (I'm not planning on using a video card)h  F I seem to recall Aspen licensed VMS, but I don't know if theysold any.   >oE >There's also some DEC Alpha Personal Workstations on the market thatoF >look likely. Anything I should watch out for? I seem to remember some< >were crippled and unable to boot VMS. Were they the "au"'s?  K The "a"s were crippled, the "AU"s were the Universal Workstations, supposed26 able to do it all: Windows, Linux, Tru64, and OpenVMS.   -- Alana  O ===============================================================================e0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056DM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210VO ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:41:37 +0000h& From: Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>F Subject: Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?8 Message-ID: <lm0g9u07rfenei8a6gueq38m7gg1dcsg7h@4ax.com>  B On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:15:45 -0800, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  G >I may have an opportunity to pick up an Aspen Systems "Durango" 533MHzwE >Alpha processor workstation, which is apparently based on the CompaqfF >AlphaPC 164LX "baby ATX" motherboard. Anybody know if it can run VMS?  . Well a genuine Digitall 164LX has no problems:   weealf> sho lic/charge* VMS/LMF Charge Information for node WEEALFA This is a Digital AlphaPC 164LX 533 MHz, hardware model type 1696 F Type: A, Units Required: 12     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)4 Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server)9 Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)S5 Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation)-D Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)6 Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products)* Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved)8 Type: H, Units Required: 1050   (Alpha Layered Products)- Type: I, Units Required: 1050   (Layered Prod  Ip  C IIRC the Aspen web page listed the Durango system as VMS capable ati one time. Maybe it still does?  E Island computers still have "new" 164LX motherboards which sat in DECrC warehouses for years because of "criminally" incompetent DEC/Compaqe4 management if you want to be sure.  www.islandco.com  H >I'm a little concerned that it has IDE on board rather than SCSI, but II >seem to remember 7.3 having limited support for IDE. I have a SCSI boardeI >that's VMS compatible if necessary, but I'd prefer to have a single flat = >board to work with. (I'm not planning on using a video card)r > E >There's also some DEC Alpha Personal Workstations on the market that.F >look likely. Anything I should watch out for? I seem to remember some< >were crippled and unable to boot VMS. Were they the "au"'s? >. >Shane >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:30:58 GMT% From: lbohan@spamless..dbc.comF Subject: Re: I may have to case-mod an Alpha. Anyone been here before?8 Message-ID: <n0bg9u08qd0sjgudhrhqcjpm8b1174l9ak@4ax.com>  B On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:15:45 -0800, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  G >I may have an opportunity to pick up an Aspen Systems "Durango" 533MHzuE >Alpha processor workstation, which is apparently based on the Compaq2F >AlphaPC 164LX "baby ATX" motherboard. Anybody know if it can run VMS?H >I'm a little concerned that it has IDE on board rather than SCSI, but II >seem to remember 7.3 having limited support for IDE. I have a SCSI board I >that's VMS compatible if necessary, but I'd prefer to have a single flat<= >board to work with. (I'm not planning on using a video card)l > E >There's also some DEC Alpha Personal Workstations on the market thatoF >look likely. Anything I should watch out for? I seem to remember some< >were crippled and unable to boot VMS. Were they the "au"'s? >n >Shane >t  6 I believe most of the Durango II line would boot VMS, ? given a compatible SCSI controller.  it's what I have at home. T, (Aspen did at one time, license VMS systems)  % haven't ever tried the on-board IDE. g  7 I also haven't upgraded the console/firmware in years, e1 (not knowing if it needs a special Aspen version);6 but it's given me no trouble at all, through VMS v7.3.  @ Given that you want to fit this in a small height/luggable box, : the 500au motherbd might be a better choice, since it has ) on-board scsi controller, and ethernet.   6 (this Durango II's scsi/ethernet were add-on cards)     0 www.islandco.com had some good deals on 500au's,< (I was in fact mulling over buying 1 or 2 from them, myself)     >>>sh config! Aspen Systems Durango Workstationt@ SRM Console X4.7-393            VMS PALcode V1.19-9, OSF PALcode V1.21-8t DECchip (tm) 21164A-2 " DECchip (tm) 21172 CIA ASIC Pass 3 MEMORY 256 Meg of system memory PCI Bus + Bus 00  Slot 05: Vendor: 8086  Device: 1229(* Bus 00  Slot 06: Vendor: 102b  Device: 5190 Bus 00  Slot 08: Intel 82378IB PCI to ISA Bridge+ Bus 00  Slot 09: NCR 53C810 Scsi Controller<+ pka0.7.0.9.0           SCSI Bus ID 7       _+ dka0.0.0.9.0           RZ29L-AA             + dka200.2.0.9.0         RZ29L-AA             + dka300.3.0.9.0         PLEXTOR CD-R   PX-W1n+ dka500.5.0.9.0         TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-64N+ dka600.6.0.9.0         TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-64A+ mka400.4.0.9.0         TLZ06                 ISAfC Slot    Device  Name    Type         Enabled  BaseAddr  IRQ     DMA= 0S. 0   MOUSE         Embedded  Yes     60      12- 1   KBD           Embedded  Yes     60      1}- 2   COM1          Embedded  Yes     3f8     4S- 3   COM2          Embedded  Yes     2f8     3t- 4   LPT1          Embedded  Yes     3bc     7l5 5   FLOPPY        Embedded  Yes     3f0     6       2O  " OpenVMS (TM) Alpha system analyzer SDA> clue config System Configuration:  ---------------------A System Information:lF System Type   Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz               Primary CPU ID 00@ Cycle Time    2.0 nsec (500 MHz)                        Pagesize	 8192 Byted Memory Configuration: D Cluster    PFN Start    PFN Count         Range (MByte)        UsageE #00             0          185         0.0 MB -     1.4 MB    Console E #01           185        32466         1.4 MB -   255.0 MB    System mE #02         32651          117       255.0 MB -   256.0 MB    Consoles# Per-CPU Slot Processor Information:@2 CPU ID         00                        CPU State rc,pa,pp,cv,pv,pmv,plt- CPU Type       EV56  Pass 2 (21164A)         R0 PAL Code       1.19-9                    Halt PC 00000000.20000000s0 CPU Revision   ....                      Halt PS 00000000.00001F00rC Serial Number  ..........                Halt Code    "Bootstrap orC
 Powerfail"B Console Vers   V4.7-393                  Halt Request "Default, No Action"P Adapter Configuration: ----------------------& TR Adapter     ADP               Hose & -- ----------- ----------------- ---- D Bus   BusArrayEntry     Node CSR            Vec/IRQ Port Slot Device	 Name/HWIda= ----------------------- ---- ---------------------- ---- ----N ---------------- 1 KA1A05      % FFFFFFFF.81454DC0    0 BUSLESS_SYSTEM  2 PCI         % FFFFFFFF.81455040    0 PCI           dD FFFFFFFF.814553B0   28 FFFFFFFF.881BC000  920 EIA: 5 DE600-AA i82559	 100BaseTXaF FFFFFFFF.814553E8   30 FFFFFFFF.881BE000  900      6 00000000.0519102B (+...); FFFFFFFF.81455458   40 FFFFFFFF.881C0000  900      8 SATURNMD FFFFFFFF.81455490   48 FFFFFFFF.883C4000  930 PKA: 9 NCR 53C810 SCSIF FFFFFFFF.81455500   58 FFFFFFFF.883C6000  950     11 00000000.06461095 (..F.) 3 ISA         % FFFFFFFF.81455900    0 ISA            F FFFFFFFF.81455B98    0 FFFFFFFF.881C2000    0      0 EISA_SYSTEM_BOARD 4 XBUS        % FFFFFFFF.81455F40    0 XBUS          r9 FFFFFFFF.81456198    0 FFFFFFFF.881C2000    C      0 MOUSa8 FFFFFFFF.814561D0    1 FFFFFFFF.881C2000    1      1 KBD9 FFFFFFFF.81456208    2 FFFFFFFF.881C2000    4      2 COM1_@ FFFFFFFF.81456240    3 FFFFFFFF.881C2000    3 TTA: 3 Serial PortA FFFFFFFF.81456278    4 FFFFFFFF.881C2000    7 LRA: 4 Line Printer- (parallel port)-; FFFFFFFF.814562B0    5 FFFFFFFF.881C2000    6 DVA: 5 Floppyr SDA> i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:07:01 +0100-( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>9 Subject: Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail? ) Message-ID: <3C978C55.5020904@bluewin.ch>9  ! Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote:_  % > Is this on a server basis or local?_ > F > I think you need to speak to your Notes admin, or have a look in theL > manual. I know you can do it from the Notes server [in a distributed env.]K > by setting it to trap and forward your mail. Not sure if there is any way:) > to do this from your own Notes account.e > 	 > Steve Sp >   6  From doing a search on "forwarding mail" in the help:   ample agent: Forwarding mail  H You want product schedules sent to you by your manager, Daniel Peterson, to6 be distributed to the rest of your team automatically.  :    1. Select your mail database and choose Create - Agent.  0    2. Make these selections to create the agent:  !         Name: "Forward Schedules"   7         When should this agent run: "On Schedule Daily"t  K         Which document(s) should it act on: "All new and modified documentsu         since last run"l      3. Click "Add Search":t  &         Condition: "Words and Phrases"  *         Search For: Any of the words below           Text box: "schedule"      4. Click "Add Search" again:i           Condition: "By Author"  <         Search for documents whose Author: select "contains"  )         Text box: enter "Daniel Peterson"l      5. Run: "Simple action(s)"-      6. Click "Add Action":   #         Action: "Send Mail Message"T  1         To: Jennifer Lee, Wendy Quinn, Will Jones:  (         Subject: Latest Product Schedule  (         Check "Include copy of document"  @    7. Press ESC, then "Yes" in the dialog box to save the agent.   See Also4     (Document link: Click here  ?)Automating Tasks6     (Document link: Click here  ?)To create an agent  I Warning - I haven't tried this, but from other features available or not tI to me, it apppears that much of Lotus Notes functionality is governed by m how the server is set up.u    s >  >  > > > Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> on 03/18/2002 05:16:14 PM > " > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > cc:hI > From:      Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>, 18 March 2002, 5:16 p.m.  > 2 > Re: Importing mail from Lotus Notes to VMS Mail? >  >  > Phillip Helbig wrote:m >  > G >>On a related note, how can I SET FORWARD in Lotus Notes so that stuffO# >>sent there goes to a VMS machine?e >> >> > K > I know a colleague has done this. I'll ask him when I see him (not beforee
 > Wednesday).m >      __
 Paul Sture Switzerland-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:04:45 GMT6' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>y Subject: Re: JavaONE 2002:+ Message-ID: <3C979A23.7F724224@pacbell.net>-   Sue Skonetski wrote: > J >       My apologies I just got this, I realize that it is only a few days > away.d >  >       suew > < >       The JavaOne 2002 Conference is only a few days away! > M >       This is your personal invitation to visit us at the BEA booth (#1718)cH > to hear why Compaq, together with our partner BEA Systems, is the best' > choice for solving business problems./ >   P Sue, does this mean your arranging to have the $1,795 min entry fee waved for us !?  N >       BEA Systems will be showing how their BEA WebLogic Enterprise PlatformJ > radically simplifies and unifies your application infrastructure. CompaqK > will demonstrate how we support and complement this infrastructure acrossu > all of our platforms.. > N >       In addition, BEA Systems invites you to "Make A Radical Difference" inN > our community. BEA will donate 1 dollar ($1.00) on your behalf to either theL > "I Have a Dream" Foundation or Plugged In. Stop by the BEA booth for more
 > details. > L >       For more information on BEA's activities to date at the JavaOne 2002A > Conference, please visit www.bea.com/events/javaone/index.shtml  > , >       We look forward to seeing you there! >  >       Best regards, 3 >       Compaq Computer Corp. and BEA Systems, Inc.M >  >       BEA Booth #1718a >       March 24-28, 2002)! >       Moscone Convention Centerg >       San Francisco, CAa >  >       Mike Guerett, Compaq' >       Global Alliance Manager for BEAe >  >       Cindy Feinberg, BEAt* >       Global Alliance Manager for Compaq     -- -   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin @alphase.com 
 San Franciscor   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:22:38 GMTC1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> # Subject: Re: LD062 Install Question ' Message-ID: <3C9810AF.84ADFC2E@fsi.net>    Martin Vorlaender wrote: > 2 > David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote:L > > I believe it also comes with source which would be in one or more of the > > "extraneous" savesets. >  > It'sD >   LD063.A  KITINSTAL, .CLD and .HLP files, examples, release notes >   LD063.B  source filesD  >   LD063.C  VMS/Alpha 6.2 files  >   LD063.D  VMS/Alpha 7.1 files  >   LD063.E  VMS/Alpha 7.2 files! >   LD063.F  VMS/Alpha 7.3+ filesa >   LD063.G  VMS/VAX 6.2 files >   LD063.H  VMS/VAX 7.1 files >   LD063.I  VMS/VAX 7.2 files >   LD063.J  VMS/VAX 7.3+ filesu > G > > I don't yet know if the KITINSTAL.COM for V6.3 still has the "phoneV > > home" "feature" (bug?).  > : > Not in the KITINSTAL I examined (from the Freeware5 CD).  C Thanx! The MicroVAX 3100 and the AlphaStation 200 are both shutdown:F right now and I didn't want to take the time to spin one up and unpack! the archive just to look at that.@  D Wonder if there are any new features in LD V6.3, or is it just a VMS version support upgrade?   > cu, 
 >   Martin > --I >  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 6 >  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deJ >  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/= >  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   = MAN! *THAT* is a *GREAT* sig! I gotta show that one around...n   -- ; David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:11:41 +0000h1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>1 Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq6 Message-ID: <3C97D3BD.13AF0A6E@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  F But can you say it was for nothing in return?  Nobody that I've spokenF to is either able or willing to say just what Compaq got from Intel inF return for the Alphacide.  It MUST have been a sizeable chunk of dosh,F given that Compaq were then offering to assist customers with software transitions from Alpha to IPF.  F Anyway, I thought General Burning was a Windoze error when the PC wentE up in smoke.  Like General Protection Fault (i.e. "our software gives 5 you no protection so we won't trim the message down")S   :-)i   Steve.   David Mathog wrote:t >  > Bill Todd wrote: > N > > > And didn't Carly say something about burning boats or bridges or whatnot > > ways > > > back last September? > >hP > > Yup - first time I've ever heard of a general burning the boats before she's > > reached shore. > L > Curly did pretty much the same thing with with the Alpha->IA64 transition. > There's nothing0O > like shedding all of your valuable technology to a competitor (apparently forn > nothing in return)! > to pump up the old stock price!a > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu   -- .G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeaE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.iA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"i% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:36:05 GMTM4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq- Message-ID: <9IRl8.72966$702.20247@sccrnsc02>   > "Steve Reece" <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> wrote in message0 news:3C97D3BD.13AF0A6E@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk...H > But can you say it was for nothing in return?  Nobody that I've spokenH > to is either able or willing to say just what Compaq got from Intel inH > return for the Alphacide.  It MUST have been a sizeable chunk of dosh,H > given that Compaq were then offering to assist customers with software  > transitions from Alpha to IPF.  H I have heard that one element of the deal is well in excess of $100M USDL from Intel's Itanium Porting Fund, plus a substantial amount of co-marketing0 cash. Nothing more specific than that, though...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:07:54 GMTE# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e Subject: Re: Plan B for CompaqF Message-ID: <e2Tl8.11302$zG.4939@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message=' news:9IRl8.72966$702.20247@sccrnsc02...- >- >-J > I have heard that one element of the deal is well in excess of $100M USDA > from Intel's Itanium Porting Fund, plus a substantial amount ofp co-marketing2 > cash. Nothing more specific than that, though... >gK In other words, less than one calendar quarter's worth of Alpha profits hadc> Comapq decided to market the product effectively. Shrewd move.   Curly's some rocket scientist.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:50:33 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq- Message-ID: <dGTl8.73676$702.20331@sccrnsc02>/  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message@ news:e2Tl8.11302$zG.4939@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messaget) > news:9IRl8.72966$702.20247@sccrnsc02...  > >X > >FL > > I have heard that one element of the deal is well in excess of $100M USDC > > from Intel's Itanium Porting Fund, plus a substantial amount ofi > co-marketing4 > > cash. Nothing more specific than that, though... > >*I > In other words, less than one calendar quarter's worth of Alpha profitsy had,@ > Comapq decided to market the product effectively. Shrewd move. >i  > Curly's some rocket scientist. >C  K Well, maybe some good will come of this merger, especially on the marketingb6 front. HP may not be entirely clueless in this regard:  @ Herewith an out-take from today's issue of Shannon Knows Compaq:  I As the Merger Wars drew to a close, HP unveiled an advertisement aimed at.H convincing shareholders that Compaq was far more than just a PC company.K Entitled "What We See in Compaq," the ad touted Compaq's leadership-and theaD firm's $10.7B annual run rate-in high-performance and fault tolerantJ servers, enterprise storage, and industry-standard servers. Also noted wasE the Houston vendor's $7.8B "industry-leading, very profitable" GlobalaL Services business. All valid points, but it's ironic that a rival vendor can7 better articulate Compaq's strengths than Compaq itselfe   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:43:45 +0000 & From: Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq8 Message-ID: <091g9usc56mhm9cvn0ncllbhiubfu357al@4ax.com>  4 On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:36:05 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   >n? >"Steve Reece" <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> wrote in messaget1 >news:3C97D3BD.13AF0A6E@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk...aI >> But can you say it was for nothing in return?  Nobody that I've spoken1I >> to is either able or willing to say just what Compaq got from Intel in I >> return for the Alphacide.  It MUST have been a sizeable chunk of dosh,eI >> given that Compaq were then offering to assist customers with softwarep! >> transitions from Alpha to IPF.  >hI >I have heard that one element of the deal is well in excess of $100M USD M >from Intel's Itanium Porting Fund, plus a substantial amount of co-marketinga  A Presumably Compaq will take the money then use it to subsidise PC D losses!!  You don't really think they will give the $ 100M to VMS do you?  1 >cash. Nothing more specific than that, though...  >t >S >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:13:13 -0500d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>v Subject: Re: Plan B for Compaq, Message-ID: <3C980C3E.DC2AE290@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:tK > As the Merger Wars drew to a close, HP unveiled an advertisement aimed athJ > convincing shareholders that Compaq was far more than just a PC company.M > Entitled "What We See in Compaq," the ad touted Compaq's leadership-and theoF > firm's $10.7B annual run rate-in high-performance and fault tolerantL > servers, enterprise storage, and industry-standard servers. Also noted wasG > the Houston vendor's $7.8B "industry-leading, very profitable" Globaly > Services business.  L Had it not been for Walter Hewlett's opposition, I doubt you would have seenJ such an ad, instead you would have seen a very wintel focused ad. Once theL deal is signed, and Hewlett,s fate is decided, I strongly suspect that CarlyL will return to her wintel-centric vision. Rememeber that the product roadmap was decided a long time ago.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:19:24 GMT_* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Plan B for CompaqC Message-ID: <g5Ul8.311222$pN4.20445395@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>0  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message@ news:e2Tl8.11302$zG.4939@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagee) > news:9IRl8.72966$702.20247@sccrnsc02...m > >d > > L > > I have heard that one element of the deal is well in excess of $100M USDC > > from Intel's Itanium Porting Fund, plus a substantial amount of  > co-marketing4 > > cash. Nothing more specific than that, though... > > I > In other words, less than one calendar quarter's worth of Alpha profitsr had>@ > Comapq decided to market the product effectively. Shrewd move.  E And regardless of *how* much it was, it's not *incremental* income to H Compaq, since Compaq would not have needed to do any porting had it kept
 Alpha viable.2  K In other words, if Compaq wants to claim Alpha development as an expense it J cut, then it can't claim it got anything additional from Intel (that wouldC be counting the 'benefit' twice):  the Intel money just reduces the5I effective *cost* of killing Alpha that Compaq apparently didn't take into K account anyway (since if it had, it would have been crystal-clear that said K cost outweighed the benefit, unless Intel anteed up something well into the  $billions to compensate).o  I If Curly hadn't given up his balls (along with any competence he may have E had) to the BoD three years ago, Carly would have them hanging in her. office.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:41:21 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)P$ Subject: Re: Talk about downtime....= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0203191741.6e801a21@posting.google.com>-  l Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3C962F97.DD3979EC@blueyonder.co.uk>... > Robert Deininger wrote:- > >  DECmove help in all5 > > these areas, but I never heard that it was cheap.4 > < > yup, in my limited experience it definitely was NOT cheap.  > I know of one move where DECmove service was suggested but wasA rejected as too costly.  As best we could determine afterward, itBD appears the movers must have dropped one of the 8400 system boxes atC some point.  A backplane ended up twisted and had to be replaced to8C get the box working at the new site, at a cost of more for that one8* single part than the entire DECmove quote.. ----------------------------------------------. Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:25:44 GMTX( From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com>) Subject: Re: Tape compaction performance?8: Message-ID: <cGQl8.7101$iL5.1700703@typhoon1.se.ipsvc.net>  J The performance was opposite of what I expected.  That's why I thought I'dL ask.  I believe (as you and others have pointed out), the problem is relatedJ to the system and disk load slowing the data transfer down enough to causeI the tape to stop streaming.  The system had about 600 users at the time IaJ ran the backup and the data source disk is a MSCP served shadow set, so no9 big surprise that the tape would have problems streaming.l  I I'll re-run the test in a little more controlled environment as soon as Iw" get a chance and post the results.   Thanks,_ Tom   4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:19MAR200204370448@gerg.tamu.edu...d> > <poPk8.1057$iL5.496115@typhoon1.se.ipsvc.net>, "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com> writes...I > }I recently decided to test using compaction mode for Backups.  I ran 2eF > }tests.  One Backup with compaction enabled, the second test withoutH > }compaction.  I was surprised to see that with compaction enabled, the Backup2 > }took approximately 40% longer.  Is this normal? > }hJ > }The test backup size was approximately 1.1m blocks using TZ89 drives on anJ > }ES40 system running OpenVMS V7.2-1.  Backup took 7 minutes w/compactionD > }versus 4 minutes w/o compaction.  The test was done during normal business( > }hours so the results are not precise. > }i > }Regards,l > }Tom >d6 > This is exactly the opposite of the typical results. >AC > The tape moves through the drive at a constant speed and bits arerD > written to the tape at a constant speed (assuming it is streaming,A > not stop-start). When compaction is turned on, those bits being A > written to tape at constant speed represent more real data (the @ > flip-side explanation being that the same amount of data takesB > fewer bits to write it to the drive when compacted writing fewerC > bits is faster). Thus not only does compaction typically put more D > data on tape, it also speeds the transfer up by the same ratio. IfD > you get 2:1 compaction you get both twice as much data on the tape6 > and you write the data to the tape in half the time. >oD > On the other hand, if the file you tested this backup on was a bigD > binary file, it is possible that the "compaction" actually made it? > bigger by a factor of 7:4 which would simultaneously make the B > time it takes to put it on tape increase by the same factor. (It? > seems excessive for random, or nearly random, data to grow by % > such a factor, but not impossible.)h > C > It is also possible that you hit an I/O speed problem. When it ismB > using compaction it needs the data faster. If the disk I/O can'tD > keep up (possibly due to other disk activity), the pause can causeH > the buffers to drain and the tape to stop streaming. The stop, rewind,D > wait for data to start arriving and buffers to fill, get a runningD > start, and start writing data sequence can be a performance killer > if it happens much.- >-@ > Try it on a reasonably quiet system and watch the drive to see) > if it is stremaing or doing stop-start.v >EB > Make sure you are testing with files on a local drive, otherwiseD > you are limited to the network's data transfer speed (which can beC > comparatively slow, causing a distinct lack of streaming behaviorn > with fast tape drives).  > 
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:12:59 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>% Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Ironyf= Message-ID: <%4Ml8.78261$uA5.74592@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>a  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:XNLl8.1184$fL6.25012@news.cpqcorp.net...L >cH > The quarterly results will *not* tell you the profits from each OS, or muchJ > beyond a 50,000 ft view.  There is no breakdown that I know of that will5 > give you, or I, the information you think you know.  >n  L Yup. Info like that is available to the Mark Gorhams and Kent Fersons of theI world, but not to outsiders. And of course, the data can be skewed by theHI inclusion or exclusion of service, upgrade, hardware, or software-relatede revenue.  A Kinda like an Enron accountant's answer to "What's one plus one?"a   "Whatever you'd like it to be!"t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:16:36 GMTs* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>% Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Irony @ Message-ID: <n8Ml8.26514$4I.2544703@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:XNLl8.1184$fL6.25012@news.cpqcorp.net...l >lH > The quarterly results will *not* tell you the profits from each OS, or muchJ > beyond a 50,000 ft view.  There is no breakdown that I know of that will5 > give you, or I, the information you think you know.- >- >  > Bill Todd wrote in message< > <1JKl8.300870$pN4.19781691@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > >cC > >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messaget0 > >news:8AJl8.1173$fL6.24905@news.cpqcorp.net... > >>L > >> Bill, *I* don't know what the relative profit is.  Nor have I ever seenH > >> anything that has broken it out.  How can you claim to have a clue? > >>K > >> But please share it with the actual facts.  And not some surmise basedu on > >> tea leaves. > >SI > >Instead of responding from ignorance, Fred, why not take a look at the7L > >quarterly reports I cited?  Too much trouble for someone whose opinion is > >already formed?  H In other words, your mind's made up, so no use checking the references I gave?   D FYI, Fred, while the quarterly results indeed to not give you profitI *numbers*, they *do* describe profit *trends* at a finer level of detail.hE And when you apply those stated trends to the few profit numbers thatrJ actually *are* mentioned from time to time, lo and behold, you can draw atJ least somewhat-informed conclusions (not that that's anything you might be used to doing).D   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:03 -0500Y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: Re: The Inquirer & the Irony , Message-ID: <3C97BE7D.AEB6F830@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > M > The quarterly results will *not* tell you the profits from each OS, or muchrJ > beyond a 50,000 ft view.  There is no breakdown that I know of that will5 > give you, or I, the information you think you know.m  M Exactly.  How are shareholders supposed to make educated decisions where theywN hear of a rumour that the wintel sercver don't generate the big profits of theK enterprise division, yet there is no access to the real numbers to prove orc disprove that claim ?q  M Since Carly has only mentioned keeping Tandem and the Compaq wintel servers, sE it becomes very important to know where the profits came from in thatwJ divisision because it is very possible that she might be throwing the baby with the bath water.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:56:44 +0000o& From: Alan  Greig <a.greig@virgin.net># Subject: Too close to call says BBCa8 Message-ID: <kg5g9ugvh1spaip8jid5imtpun77m02o59@4ax.com>  D http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1881000/1881628.stm  C Both sides claimed victory in the vote, with Hewlett-Packard saying A that it was winning a "decisive majority" of votes for the deal. s  B "It appears that our shareholders made a choice today, not only to3 embrace change, but to lead it," Ms. Fiorina said. v  E But Walter Hewlett, whose family foundation owns 18% of the shares inr> the company, said he was 'optimistic' that the merger would beD rejected, and it was "too close to call." He called it a victory for shareholder power. o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:02:31 GMTd* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: Too close to call says BBCs@ Message-ID: <XBVl8.30022$4I.3304486@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:kg5g9ugvh1spaip8jid5imtpun77m02o59@4ax.com...F > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1881000/1881628.stm >mE > Both sides claimed victory in the vote, with Hewlett-Packard sayingMB > that it was winning a "decisive majority" of votes for the deal.  : No, it didn't:  it said it won a decisive majority *of theH non-H/P-family-held* votes - which, given that it had to win over 60% ofJ those votes to win at all, really does little to add to the statement that it thought it won - barely.    >ID > "It appears that our shareholders made a choice today, not only to4 > embrace change, but to lead it," Ms. Fiorina said.  K Typical Carlyese.  The HP shareholders indeed made a choice today (whateversF it turns out to have been), but to all appearances by the narrowest ofF margins rather than any kind of 'embrace' (let alone outright charge).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:50:53 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-' Subject: Re: Too close to call says BBCa, Message-ID: <3C98314A.F8FA5E3C@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:M > Typical Carlyese.  The HP shareholders indeed made a choice today (whatevercH > it turns out to have been), but to all appearances by the narrowest ofH > margins rather than any kind of 'embrace' (let alone outright charge).  I Not sure if it was Carly or someone else who said it, but I heard that HPs4 really need only 50% + 1 vote to declare this a win.  6 If Carly gets 50%+1 , can she really declare victory ?  K She may be able to legally go ahead with the takeover, but she will have tofJ take into consideration that half of the votes are against her, but if oneI shareholder does switch against carly, then a vote of no-confidence woulde succeed in throwing her out.  K I don't really know what drove Carly to want to buy a sick Compaq, but I dooK have to admire her guts to really put her job on the line for something sheoL believes in. If this takeover doesn't work out as she predicted, she will be( out faster than Pfeiffer was kicked out.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:01:05 -0500c; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>t/ Subject: Re: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?I$ Message-ID: <3c97a773$1@news.si.com>  ; >It also gives the number of "purgable blocks" on the drivee  ( Something like this DCL snippet I wrote:   $ gain [...] /log = A305_DISK:[TILLMAN]$MAIN.TPU$JOURNAL;1 is a previous version.d#    Deleting it will save 19 blocks. 7 A305_DISK:[TILLMAN]ALIASES.SMA;2 is a previous version. %    Deleting it will save 3970 blocks. 7 A305_DISK:[TILLMAN]ALIASES.SMA;1 is a previous version.e%    Deleting it will save 3970 blocks.eA A305_DISK:[TILLMAN]DECSET$ENVMGR_ERR.LOG;3 is a previous version.s!    Deleting it will save 1 block.PA A305_DISK:[TILLMAN]DECSET$ENVMGR_ERR.LOG;2 is a previous version.C!    Deleting it will save 1 block.oA A305_DISK:[TILLMAN]DECSET$ENVMGR_ERR.LOG;1 is a previous version.a!    Deleting it will save 1 block.u	 ...etc...-7 A total of 36 files can be deleted, saving 8316 blocks.s -- rA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comdA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coms= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:38:47 GMT > From: andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=)$ Subject: Re: TROJAN ALERT! (JS/Loop); Message-ID: <1f9bakw.9gxtue13090u8N%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>   = Dr Solomon's Virus Patrol <Virus.Patrol@drsolomon.com> wrote:s   > F >  Dr Solomon's FindVirus IN-HOUSE version. Copyright (c) 1999 NetworkI >  Associates Inc. Virus data file v9999 created Mar 16 2002 Scanning fore' >  60554 viruses, trojans and variants.r > / >  [HTML part] ... Found the JS/Loop trojan !!!a  A Anyone (?) can see it's a JS loop - but what makes it a trojan  ?f  5 And why are Network Associates Inc. spamming usenet ?f   -- hD * Anders Eklf        * Phone: + 46 8581 74712  * "I blame you for *D * Glimmerstigen 46    * ae at radfysdotksdotse  * the moonlit sky" *D * S-196 33 KUNGSNGEN * or andekl at saafdotse  *       ----       *D * SWEDEN              * (sorry - had to garble) *   Tasmin Archer  *   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:39:18 -0800 (PST)h. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>/ Subject: VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed **** @ Message-ID: <20020319213918.12813.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>  6 Today we lost our boot disk (DSSI) in our VAX Cluster.2 (lost machines which nobody care until them stop).0 I restored the boot disk using a stabackit tape.  / We have two VAX 4000 clustered by DSSI, sharinga the same storage (R400X).n  1 We changed the boot disk because it was defected, 5 and changed one of the VAX 4000 motherboards, becausen* it had some problems (freezed the server).  & So, now when we boot both the machines appears a messages  4 %PAA0, Port has closed virtual circuit - REMOTE NODE xxxyyyy   0 I can boot both one of thembut not at same time.  4 Anyone experienced in DSSI here? Today was the first' time in my life I needed to execute SETo HOST/DUP/DSSI/BUS:0 x  !!!!     
 Blessed SCSI.t   Regards              =====, ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilh fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage> http://sports.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:06:07 -050004 From: John Malmberg <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>3 Subject: Re: VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed ****r4 Message-ID: <3C97B64F.1020306@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:  8 > Today we lost our boot disk (DSSI) in our VAX Cluster.4 > (lost machines which nobody care until them stop).2 > I restored the boot disk using a stabackit tape. > 1 > We have two VAX 4000 clustered by DSSI, sharingg > the same storage (R400X).i > 3 > We changed the boot disk because it was defected,a    E This usually involves setting the ALLCLASS parameter on the new disk  , drive and possibly the UNITNUM and FORCEUNI.  C ALLCLASS needs to be set to the same value as the SYSGEN ALLOCLASS  
 parameter.  C And of course remember the WRITE command before exiting the PARAMS i" utility, or all will be forgotten.    7 > and changed one of the VAX 4000 motherboards, because , > it had some problems (freezed the server).    G This usually involves disconnecting the battery that keeps things like e" the boot device or the boot flags.  F Did you re-enter this information exactly as it should be?  Otherwise : both systems might be trying to boot off of the same root.  ; Some more specifics are needed to give more precise advice.i    A The exact model of VAX 4000 that you have and exactly what bussesl* are used to connect up to the boot device.    < Also what root is assigned to each system, and what are the  corresponding boot flags?     ( > So, now when we boot both the machines > appears a message  > 6 > %PAA0, Port has closed virtual circuit - REMOTE NODE	 > xxxyyyyb > 2 > I can boot both one of thembut not at same time. > 6 > Anyone experienced in DSSI here? Today was the first) > time in my life I needed to execute SETF > HOST/DUP/DSSI/BUS:0 x  !!!!     ; It has been a while for me, but most of the information has @ been posted on this forum before and if it is not in the OpenVMS= FAQ, then a search in GOOGLE should turn the commands needed.o    e   -Johne malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:49:04 -0800 (PST)o. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>3 Subject: Re: VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed **** @ Message-ID: <20020319224904.27241.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>  
 Solved at CCCh   >>> set dssi_id 0 6u  " Both machines were with id 7 !!!!!     Regards-   FC  3 --- Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:-/ > Today we lost our boot disk (DSSI) in our VAX:
 > Cluster.4 > (lost machines which nobody care until them stop).2 > I restored the boot disk using a stabackit tape. > 1 > We have two VAX 4000 clustered by DSSI, sharingc > the same storage (R400X).c > 3 > We changed the boot disk because it was defected,n/ > and changed one of the VAX 4000 motherboards,d	 > becauses, > it had some problems (freezed the server). > ( > So, now when we boot both the machines > appears a messageu > 6 > %PAA0, Port has closed virtual circuit - REMOTE NODE	 > xxxyyyya > 2 > I can boot both one of thembut not at same time. > 6 > Anyone experienced in DSSI here? Today was the first) > time in my life I needed to execute SETo > HOST/DUP/DSSI/BUS:0 x  !!!!  h >  > Blessed SCSI._ > 	 > Regards  >  >  >  >  >  >  > =====t > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazili > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?- > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coveraget > http://sports.yahoo.com/     =====o ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilh fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage  http://sports.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:20:31 +0000r1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>x3 Subject: Re: VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed **** 6 Message-ID: <3C97D5CF.35C9250F@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   That would do it.t  G And there ain't nothing blessed about SCSI Fabio.  SCSI was still at 3mW@ max bus length when DSSI was at over 60 feet.  DSSI has the sameE thinking behind it as so much that came out of Digital at that time -oF there's a standard for the architecture and everything that we want to+ play nicely together will fit the standard.s  < It's not just thrown together in the way that SCSI was......   Steve.   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Solved at CCCa >  > >>> set dssi_id 0 6  > $ > Both machines were with id 7 !!!!! > 	 > Regards  >  > FC5 > --- Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:e1 > > Today we lost our boot disk (DSSI) in our VAXw > > Cluster.6 > > (lost machines which nobody care until them stop).4 > > I restored the boot disk using a stabackit tape. > >o3 > > We have two VAX 4000 clustered by DSSI, sharingr > > the same storage (R400X).  > > 5 > > We changed the boot disk because it was defected, 1 > > and changed one of the VAX 4000 motherboards,i > > becausel. > > it had some problems (freezed the server). > >s* > > So, now when we boot both the machines > > appears a messagee > > 8 > > %PAA0, Port has closed virtual circuit - REMOTE NODE > > xxxyyyyr > >d4 > > I can boot both one of thembut not at same time. > >a8 > > Anyone experienced in DSSI here? Today was the first+ > > time in my life I needed to execute SETn > > HOST/DUP/DSSI/BUS:0 x  !!!!  > >  > > Blessed SCSI.  > >  > > Regardsn > >q > >s > >  -- aG "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeaE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.rA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"p% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Mar 2002 00:29:34 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)a3 Subject: Re: VAXCluster + DSSI *** Help needed ****s+ Message-ID: <a78l5e$o4k$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>e  6 In article <3C97D5CF.35C9250F@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>,4  Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> writes: |>? |> It's not just thrown together in the way that SCSI was......q |> n  A I thought I read once that SCSI was DSSI with a lot of the betterr stuff left out.u   bill   -- 5J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:19:36 GMTu1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 3 Subject: Re: Witch streamer supported vax-4000-90 ?e' Message-ID: <3C980FF6.D32C16F3@fsi.net>o   Rich Jordan wrote: > L > TZK10, 525MB QIC drive; TZK11, 2GB QIC drive.  I have one of each here andD > they work dandy on a VAXstation and a PWS.  I believe the TZK10 is- > compatible with VMS V5.5-2 or even earlier.n  E Hhmmm... I'll have to try that. I have a MicroVAX 3100 with a TZ30. IaG also have a TZK10 that come in a DECpc 450. Maybe I'll try sticking theeG TZK10 in where the TZ30 is now and see if I can put up V5.5-2 on it and5# have it see and use the tape drive.   C ...which raises the question: is/was there a QIC format program foroH whatever tapes the TZK10 uses (I have exactly one, and that has a backupD of SCO UNIX on it)? Does that program run on VMS? ...Ultrix? Digital7 UNIX for VAX? Do these tapes even need to be formatted?1   -- 2 David J. Dachterae dba DJE SystemsB http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:40:47 -0600w, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>3 Subject: Re: Witch streamer supported vax-4000-90 ?n3 Message-ID: <a7974s$edm$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>7  L I don't have docs for the 10.  The TZK11 is supported in V5.5-2 or later, orJ Alpha V1.5 or later, with the exception that the /RETENSION qualifier doesE not work in V5.5-2.  On the TZK11 there is a jumper labeled VSEL thatdD selects between "DIGITAL" mode and "PC" mode, which is essentially a Tandberg 4200/4220.o  F VMS uses the TZK11 in variable block mode, which apparently 'emulates'F variable tape blocks using QIC 1K blocks with special size info in the= leading block and blank filling the trailing block as needed.t  L The tapes I've used (both Imation/3M and Digital branded) were simply INIT'dI online.  There's no reference to a 'formatter' in the user guide, and I'mpF not in a position to check VMS docs or online help to see if there areL options for that in INIT.  It would seem likely since the drives can supportH varying densities depending on the tape cartridge used, but I don't knowL VMS' capabilities in generating them (though the automatic density selection; on read should make reading various densities a non-issue).o   Rich Jordane  A David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3C980FF6.D32C16F3@fsi.net>...t >Rich Jordan wrote:r >>I >> TZK10, 525MB QIC drive; TZK11, 2GB QIC drive.  I have one of each herec andoE >> they work dandy on a VAXstation and a PWS.  I believe the TZK10 isa. >> compatible with VMS V5.5-2 or even earlier. >eF >Hhmmm... I'll have to try that. I have a MicroVAX 3100 with a TZ30. IH >also have a TZK10 that come in a DECpc 450. Maybe I'll try sticking theH >TZK10 in where the TZ30 is now and see if I can put up V5.5-2 on it and$ >have it see and use the tape drive. >rD >...which raises the question: is/was there a QIC format program forI >whatever tapes the TZK10 uses (I have exactly one, and that has a backupwE >of SCO UNIX on it)? Does that program run on VMS? ...Ultrix? Digitals8 >UNIX for VAX? Do these tapes even need to be formatted? >h >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/I >p) >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:o  >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:15:45 -0800uM From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>t2 Subject: [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's?: Message-ID: <3C97E2C1.D4DD6B7E@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>  : I have inherited a two-node SCSI cluster comprising a pair7 of AlphaStation 200 4/166's (yep, they're a bit long inu
 tooth :-).  8 The configuration seems a bit odd to me in that one host3 is configured at SCSI ID 6 (OK) and the other is atr5 SCSI ID 3 (very odd!).  Also, whoever configured thisj8 cluster managed put/keep the CDrom at DKA400 (SCSI ID 4)5 for both systems...I _believe_ that only one system'ss5 CD is actually on the SCSI bus, but I could easily bes	 mistaken.h  5 The two systems share an external StorageWorks shelf,d7 but given the one host at SCSI ID 3 and the CD at ID 4,y6 two of the external slots are not usable.  Furthermore7 I worry that there may be some performance issues givena the unfair arbitration of SCSI.t  8 So...does anyone know how to set/change the host SCSI ID6 on an AlphaStation 200?  I didn't _notice_ any console8 variable.  I also couldn't see anything _obvious_ on the1 motherboard (yep, I did open 'er up and look :-).a  9 Oh, the cluster does function in this configuration...I'ma6 just trying to tidy things up before putting them back into regular use.e   Thanks, Kent --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfielda! F20 Automation VMS System Supportz kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:02:23 -0500C2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)6 Subject: Re: [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's?K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1903022102240001@1cust138.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   F In article <3C97E2C1.D4DD6B7E@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>, "Kenneth H.B Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net> wrote:  ; >I have inherited a two-node SCSI cluster comprising a pairi8 >of AlphaStation 200 4/166's (yep, they're a bit long in >tooth :-).  >a9 >The configuration seems a bit odd to me in that one hoste4 >is configured at SCSI ID 6 (OK) and the other is at6 >SCSI ID 3 (very odd!).  Also, whoever configured this9 >cluster managed put/keep the CDrom at DKA400 (SCSI ID 4)t6 >for both systems...I _believe_ that only one system's6 >CD is actually on the SCSI bus, but I could easily be
 >mistaken.  - Are the CD ROMs on separate, internal busses?o  6 >The two systems share an external StorageWorks shelf,8 >but given the one host at SCSI ID 3 and the CD at ID 4,7 >two of the external slots are not usable.  Furthermorea8 >I worry that there may be some performance issues given  >the unfair arbitration of SCSI.  J With only a few drives, and given the vintage, I doubt arbitration will be, the main cause of "performance issues".  :-)    9 >So...does anyone know how to set/change the host SCSI ID:7 >on an AlphaStation 200?  I didn't _notice_ any consoleN9 >variable.  I also couldn't see anything _obvious_ on thel2 >motherboard (yep, I did open 'er up and look :-).  G My old DEC 3000 systems have SCSI_A and SCSI_B environment variables inIJ the console.  I don't remember any newer platforms off the top of my head,$ and I don't have any handy to check.  9 I'm not really familiar with the AlphaStation 200 series.k    : >Oh, the cluster does function in this configuration...I'm7 >just trying to tidy things up before putting them backL >into regular use.  F I'd try to use IDs 6 and 7, as you said, if only to get the use of the storage bay.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:48:33 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>o6 Subject: Re: [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's?* Message-ID: <3C97FA68.3040706@qsl.network>   Kenneth H. Fairfield wrote:n< > I have inherited a two-node SCSI cluster comprising a pair9 > of AlphaStation 200 4/166's (yep, they're a bit long iny > tooth :-). <snip>  : > So...does anyone know how to set/change the host SCSI ID8 > on an AlphaStation 200?  I didn't _notice_ any console: > variable.  I also couldn't see anything _obvious_ on the3 > motherboard (yep, I did open 'er up and look :-).V  ! I am not worked on that platform.o  0 Does anything interesting show up when you type:    >>>show pk*   -John9 wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyi   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:09:24 -0600 (CST)s From: sms@antinode.org2 Subject: [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's?) Message-ID: <02031921092459@antinode.org>j  M From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>s: > So...does anyone know how to set/change the host SCSI ID8 > on an AlphaStation 200?  I didn't _notice_ any console > variable.  [...]  (    I vote for "pka0_host_id".  Mine's 7.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)2C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)>G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)29    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Mar 2002 06:21:17 GMT0 From: roland.haider@at.bosch.com (Roland Haider)6 Subject: Re: [Q]: Setting SCSI Cluster host SCIS ID's?5 Message-ID: <91D74A307rolandhaideratboschc@127.0.0.1>c  L Kenneth.H.Fairfield@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net (Kenneth H. Fairfield) wrote 2 in <3C97E2C1.D4DD6B7E@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>:   > 9 >The configuration seems a bit odd to me in that one host 4 >is configured at SCSI ID 6 (OK) and the other is at6 >SCSI ID 3 (very odd!).  Also, whoever configured this9 >cluster managed put/keep the CDrom at DKA400 (SCSI ID 4)y6 >for both systems...I _believe_ that only one system's6 >CD is actually on the SCSI bus, but I could easily be
 >mistaken. >   6 IIRC, the manual states that cdrom drives on a shared  SCSI bus are not suported.7 I don't know if there are any other disks in the boxes,=6 but using a second controller for the shared bus migth be a good idea._  6 >The two systems share an external StorageWorks shelf,8 >but given the one host at SCSI ID 3 and the CD at ID 4,7 >two of the external slots are not usable.  Furthermorem8 >I worry that there may be some performance issues given  >the unfair arbitration of SCSI. >d  5 Again it depends. I have dim memory of a SCSI timing a8 issue that could bite you if you are using a quorum disk and not set it to id 7.e  9 Disclaimer: All above is not from personal experience and 5 could be plain wrong, so maybe someone else joins in.e   Regards,  
 Roland Haiderb   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.155 ************************