1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 158       Contents: Re: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates RE: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates RE: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates RE: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates Re: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates* Re: Advertising CORBA services clusterwide* Re: Advertising CORBA services clusterwide Re: Alphaserver 1000a Problem  Re: Alphaserver 1000a Problem ( Re: Changing redirected SYS$OUTPUT Width Correction to TELNET setting  Re: Correction to TELNET setting  Re: Correction to TELNET setting( Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...) Re: FTP Failure * HELP: Changing redirected SYS$OUTPUT Width Re: Hidden files?  Re: Hidden files? = How does one check to verify all nodes are fully operational? A Re: How does one check to verify all nodes are fully operational? A Re: How does one check to verify all nodes are fully operational? A Re: How does one check to verify all nodes are fully operational? < Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?< Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux " Re: HPCL minute of the day: HP/EOD RE: HSZ10 looking for info... 5 Re: IF-THEN-ELSE oddity: Extra ELSE's cause no error!  Re: lpd printing + telnetqueue Re: Merger AdvertisingP Message found in operator.log "INTERnet ACP Error  Status = %SYSTEM-F-LINKABORT" Re: MicroVax Crash8 Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM state8 Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM state8 Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM state8 Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM state8 Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM state* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...$ Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 and UCX 4.2 ECO 057 Problem with SMTP mail on TCPIP v5.1. Help is sought... # Question regarding: UCX SET SERVICE ' Re: Question regarding: UCX SET SERVICE ' Re: Question regarding: UCX SET SERVICE < Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote in Re: Right down the middle ) Sanders confirms Win64 will run on Hammer   Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????$ Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????$ Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????$ Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????$ Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????$ Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????$ Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????$ RE: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????+ Re: Strange status returned by sys$create() + Re: Strange status returned by sys$create() + Re: Strange status returned by sys$create() + Re: Strange status returned by sys$create()  System software status utility" Re: System software status utility" Re: System software status utility" Re: System software status utility RE: Talk about downtime....  Re: Talk about downtime.... D Re: TCPIP, sharing sockets via $QIO (programming, long and detailed) TELNET settings, other port / Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node / Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node / Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node / Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node ! VAX/VMS emulator or free version? % Re: VAX/VMS emulator or free version? % Re: VAX/VMS emulator or free version? % Re: VAX/VMS emulator or free version?  WHERE IS THE COMPAQ DOC???* Re: Witch streamer supported vax-4000-90 ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 07:45:43 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates 3 Message-ID: <Hn8mD12I1Azv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G In article <3C9914AA.5090300@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: I > We can expect the 7.3-1 release later this year. As I heard today that  I > will also be the version used for the Itanium release. There will be a  K > special version for the Marvel afaik, but I haven't heard anything about  : > 7.4 yet. I suppose porting VMS does take some manpower ? >   B    This is all one the web site somewhere.  Try looking around the:    high performance computing site off Compaq's home page.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:20:46 -0500 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> ' Subject: RE: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1D94@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Re: release dates ...   @ The latest official OpenVMS roadmap information can be found at:B http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----B From: Technophile [mailto:technophile@riverside.bc.ca (nospam)]=20 Sent: March 20, 2002 5:42 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # Subject: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates     A Do you guys have any ideas on when 7.3a and 7.4 will be released?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:01:38 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEEGEGAA.tom@kednos.com>   G I went to that site, but it appears that they are all powerpoint slides J and when I click on them nothing happens.  Putting the cursor on the links reveals * javascript:parent.GoToSld('slide0006.htm')  J Is there something amiss with the web site, or is it me (or rather IE6.0)?   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Main, Kerry [mailto:Kerry.Main@Compaq.com]( > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:21 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: RE: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates  >  >  > Re: release dates ...  > B > The latest official OpenVMS roadmap information can be found at:D > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Compaq Canada Corp.  > Professional Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >  >  > -----Original Message-----B > From: Technophile [mailto:technophile@riverside.bc.ca (nospam)]  > Sent: March 20, 2002 5:42 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates  >  > C > Do you guys have any ideas on when 7.3a and 7.4 will be released?  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:20:32 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEEHEGAA.tom@kednos.com>   * Please ignore last mail from me, my fault.   > -----Original Message-----* > From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]( > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:02 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: RE: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates  >  > I > I went to that site, but it appears that they are all powerpoint slides L > and when I click on them nothing happens.  Putting the cursor on the links	 > reveals , > javascript:parent.GoToSld('slide0006.htm') > L > Is there something amiss with the web site, or is it me (or rather IE6.0)? >  > > -----Original Message-----4 > > From: Main, Kerry [mailto:Kerry.Main@Compaq.com]* > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:21 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + > > Subject: RE: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates  > >  > >  > > Re: release dates ...  > > D > > The latest official OpenVMS roadmap information can be found at:F > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm > >  > > Regards, > >  > > Kerry Main > > Senior Consultant  > > Compaq Canada Corp.  > > Professional Services  > > Voice: 613-592-4660  > > Fax  :  819-772-7036  > > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com > >  > >  > > -----Original Message-----C > > From: Technophile [mailto:technophile@riverside.bc.ca (nospam)]   > > Sent: March 20, 2002 5:42 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' > > Subject: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates  > >  > > E > > Do you guys have any ideas on when 7.3a and 7.4 will be released?  > >  > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:19:19 -0000 ? From: "Malcolm MacArthur" <malcolmix@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> ' Subject: Re: 7.3a and 7.4 Release dates / Message-ID: <a7d80t$va9$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>   6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> wrote in messageN news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1D94@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net... >Re: release dates ... > A >The latest official OpenVMS roadmap information can be found at: C >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm   M And will we be able to tell who is on a DECterm using SHOW USERS in 7.3-1, or  will1 we have to keep using ANALYZE/SYSTEM to find out?   	 -Malcolm.  > 	 >Regards,  >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >Compaq Canada Corp. >Professional Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax  :  819-772-7036  >Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:07:36 +0100 ' From: "Jakob Erber" <nospam@nospam.com> 3 Subject: Re: Advertising CORBA services clusterwide % Message-ID: <3c9994c9$1@news.post.ch>   9 Do you know a ORB for VMS which can do, what you suggest?    Jakob    --I What I publish in this group, is to be understood as my personal opninion A and must not be interpreted as a official statement of my company     4 "Manfred Reinart" <mr@ooc.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag. news:a79s40$j1eop$1@ID-31703.news.dfncis.de... > Hi,  > : > "Jakob Erber" <nospam@nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag! > news:3c985616$1@news.post.ch... 
 > > Hello, > > F > > Corba itself is not to strong in supporting failover without extraI > > programming. But what should be possible is, that you build the Corba  > ObjectL > > reference, using the TCPIP cluster alias. So if one nodes goes down, theL > > Corba Object on one of the remaining should be called. But this does notC > > help you, if not the node, but the corba Application goes down. G > > What I would probably do is, to let each Corba Application register  there J > > own Object Ref in the Corba Naming Service. In case, one Object is notH > > reachable, the client hast do perform a reconnect to another Object. ThenL > > remains the availablitiy of the Corba Naming Service :-). Best would be, > to& > > contact it via cluster alias, too. > >  > > best regards > > 	 > > Jakob  > >  > > --D > > What I publish in this group, is to be understood as my personal opninionE > > and must not be interpreted as a official statement of my company  > >  > > 7 > > "Anamika" <anamika@home.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag : > > news:Xns91D6A06E0D501hemaniryahoocom@207.181.101.12...	 > > > Hi, K > > >    Iam interested in knowing whether CORBA services can be advertised  > > > clusterwide in a cluster. K > > > So, if a corba client requests for the service, any available node in  > the * > > > cluster will respond to the request./ > > > This is for a failover situation in mind.  > > > 
 > > > Thanks,  > > > -A > >  > >  > K > Another option would be usage of multiprofile IORs which contain the data B > for all running service instances on the differnt cluster nodes.K > This permits client-side failover without referring to a central service. F > An IMR (Implementation repository or a Load Balancer are other, more > centralized approaches.  > G > Availability of transparent client side failover is ORB dependent, of 	 > course.  > 
 > Regards,	 > Manfred  >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 05:29:50 -06008 From: schmidt@macarena.cs.wustl.edu (Douglas C. Schmidt)3 Subject: Re: Advertising CORBA services clusterwide . Message-ID: <a7cg7e$84b@macarena.cs.wustl.edu>  	 Hi Jakob,   < >> Do you know a ORB for VMS which can do, what you suggest?  C OCI has a version of TAO that's been ported to VMS.  Please contact 1 Malcolm Spence <spence_m@ociweb.com> for details.   
 Take care,           Doug --  @ Dr. Douglas C. Schmidt, Associate Professor  TEL: (949) 824-1901@ Dept of Electrical & Computer Engineering    FAX: (949) 824-2321K 616E Engineering Tower                       WEB: www.ece.uci.edu/~schmidt/ A University of California, Irvine, 92697-2625 NET: schmidt@uci.edu    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 07:31:46 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)& Subject: Re: Alphaserver 1000a Problem3 Message-ID: <9KXgQQQDM5Yg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3C98FD5E.A7F39EB4@free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> writes: 0 > http://www.compaq.com/info/GEA10C/GEA10CPF.PDF > < > Looks like your Alphaserver does not support ClosedVMS :-( >  > D. >   H I don't understand what you are trying to say here. The diagram that you< refer to above shows an Alphaserver 1000a 5/400 running VMS.  K I am also running VMS on one at my site with full DEC/CPQ/whatever support.   J Note to original poster: I've never tried running WNT on it, so I've never encountered your problem...    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:35:23 +0100 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> & Subject: Re: Alphaserver 1000a Problem' Message-ID: <3C9A19DA.3604F257@free.fr>   N I had a bad look at the drawing. I thought that it was the system on the rightL only which was an Alpha 1000 and GE mentioned UNIX or NT. This what I meant.   D.   Simon Clubley wrote: > Y > In article <3C98FD5E.A7F39EB4@free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> writes: 2 > > http://www.compaq.com/info/GEA10C/GEA10CPF.PDF > > > > > Looks like your Alphaserver does not support ClosedVMS :-( > >  > > D. > >  > J > I don't understand what you are trying to say here. The diagram that you> > refer to above shows an Alphaserver 1000a 5/400 running VMS. > M > I am also running VMS on one at my site with full DEC/CPQ/whatever support.  > L > Note to original poster: I've never tried running WNT on it, so I've never > encountered your problem...  >  > Simon. >  > --= > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP - > Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    --  H   ----------------------------------------------------------------------H MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlH Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670H 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418  H Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseH On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:30:30 +0100 2 From: "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at>1 Subject: Re: Changing redirected SYS$OUTPUT Width G Message-ID: <3c9a18ab$0$26324$6e365a64@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>   A "Mike Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag * news:_Gom8.41$a03.79766@news.uswest.net...J > When using LIB$Spawn to redirect SYS$OUTPUT to a file, the file wraps at 72I > characters.  I need to change this to 132 characters.  The program is a  VMS 6 > Basic program that is running detached via loginoff. > 	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober. >  >  >    Hi!   L Dont't write to SYS$OUTPUT, write to the file directly. Then you can open it, for output with a recordsize of your choice.   Ren   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:02:15 +0100 , From: Georgi Kozinakov <kozinakov@mt.net.mk>% Subject: Correction to TELNET setting ) Message-ID: <3C99E7E6.F50A4F22@mt.net.mk>   > Apologies for the previous added garbage at the end of text :)  F I have problem to set  telnet service (Compaq tcpip services v5.1, VAX VMS 7.2.1).  After:* $ tcpip set config enable noservice telnet $ tcpip disable service telnet% $ tcpip set noservice telnet /port=23 8 $ tcpip set service telnet /port=4023 /inact=1 /limit=50  = tcpip forces me to enter /PROCESS=... /FILE=... and /USER=...   C before there was not data for this last three switches when I typed5! $ tcpip show service telnet /full4  7 I don't know what to type  for process file and user...dB I tried some files tcpip$telnet for proces; created account in uaf tcpip$telnetB and put empty telnet.com startup file but now telnet client dosn't connect to VAX telnet server.  	 Any idea?r   Georgi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:09:37 +0100r$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>) Subject: Re: Correction to TELNET settingN3 Message-ID: <jSlm8.1304$fL6.26423@news.cpqcorp.net>   9 "Georgi Kozinakov" <kozinakov@mt.net.mk> wrote in message # news:3C99E7E6.F50A4F22@mt.net.mk... @ > Apologies for the previous added garbage at the end of text :) > H > I have problem to set  telnet service (Compaq tcpip services v5.1, VAX
 > VMS 7.2.1).  > After:, > $ tcpip set config enable noservice telnet  > $ tcpip disable service telnet' > $ tcpip set noservice telnet /port=23P: > $ tcpip set service telnet /port=4023 /inact=1 /limit=50 >1 Hellok   uset $ @sys$startup:tcpip$configs to disable and stop service  and then" to enable and start service Telnet   It should work then.   Regardsi   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:12:08 +0100 $ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>) Subject: Re: Correction to TELNET settingg3 Message-ID: <FUlm8.1305$fL6.26488@news.cpqcorp.net>   9 "Georgi Kozinakov" <kozinakov@mt.net.mk> wrote in messageB# news:3C99E7E6.F50A4F22@mt.net.mk...S@ > Apologies for the previous added garbage at the end of text :) >CH > I have problem to set  telnet service (Compaq tcpip services v5.1, VAX
 > VMS 7.2.1).e  Hummm  Vax and Vms 7.2-1 ???   I doubtb   Vax and Vms 7.2 , yesS Alpha and Vms 7.2-1 yesd   RegardsC   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:33:45 -0500I; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>n1 Subject: Re: FORTRAN (was: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS...)o$ Message-ID: <3c9a27e5$3@news.si.com>  E >Right - the UNIX compiler provides a cpp-style preprocessor, but notsG >on VMS.  We never saw enough demand for this from VMS users to make itC7 >work there, it would have been a non-trivial exercise.i  K Hm.. I think I remember a FORTRAN/CPP command.  Did this never work?  Is my 1 mind playing tricks on me?  (Not the first time!)C --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comiA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comh= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:46:14 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t Subject: Re: FTP Failure' Message-ID: <3C998FC6.D9456FC1@aaa.com>   3 Well, if the dataset on IBM/MVS box isn't "mounted"a, you will get an error *if* you dont add the  follwing to your FTP script :t   open ftp.....com username password
 cd 'ftbest01'u hash quote site automount& get pbc.ff01.p0bcdbef(+0) somefile.dat quit    > The "quote site automount" tells the FTP server on the IBM box= to wait for the volume mount to complet. "noautomount" is thee default.  ; Use "quote help site" (after open'ing the connection to thee< MVS system !) to get the other special commands that the FTP@ server on MVS accepts. Lots of stuff there that could be of use,? "quote site autorecall" can be of use if you are fetching "old"i? databasets that may have been migrated out on tape. The dafaultr1 is for FTP to *not* wait for this to be recalled.    FTP> quote help site) 214-The SITE command sub parameters are: - ...- ...-9 214-AUTOMount       Permits automatic mounting of volumes:B 214-                for data sets on volumes that are not mounted.: 214-NOAUTOMount     Prevents automatic mounting of volumesB 214-                for data sets on volumes that are not mounted.= 214-AUTORecall      Permits migrated data sets to be recallede automatically.: 214-NOAUTORecall    Prevents migrated data sets from being+ 214-                recalled automatically.  ...c ...e FTP>   Best Regards Jan-Erik Sderholm.e     Enya wrote:t > 4 > I have this cmd file - (rasphone -d ConnectionName. >                         ftp -s:script1.txt), > & > which executes the following script: >  > open ftp.....com
 > username
 > password > cd 'ftbest01'- > hash( > get pbc.ff01.p0bcdbef(+0) somefile.dat > quit > F > Sometimes it fails to get the file - it doesn't connect to the port.H > Sometimes it connects to the port, but gives me an error - "550 Volume> > containing FTBEST01.PBC.FF01.P0BCDBEF(+0) is not mounted and > NoAutoMount specified."oH > Is there any way from my side to avoid these errors? And what could be8 > the cause of it? Maybe increase Time Out or something? > 
 > Thanks!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:21:06 -0700-0 From: "Mike Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>3 Subject: HELP: Changing redirected SYS$OUTPUT Widthl0 Message-ID: <_Gom8.41$a03.79766@news.uswest.net>  K When using LIB$Spawn to redirect SYS$OUTPUT to a file, the file wraps at 72 K characters.  I need to change this to 132 characters.  The program is a VMS-4 Basic program that is running detached via loginoff.   Thanks, 
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Mar 2002 03:50 CSTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)E Subject: Re: Hidden files?- Message-ID: <21MAR200203502377@gerg.tamu.edu>l  ) "Dave Rich" <drich@nucorar.com> writes...mD }Can't seem to locate the standard include files on 6.2-1H3 OpenVMS./ }But, no problem finding them on 7.2 OpenVMS...m }  }What gives? } H }from the top of the system disk... dir [...]stdio.h reveals no matches. } ) }Where did dec hide the include files at?o } . }I can find some, but not the 'standard' ones. } ; }Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have to ask. ;-)   > The C compiler gets them from text libraries (like the library@ sys$library:decc$rtldef.tlb, which has the usual ones like stdio in it).p  E When you install the C compiler you can optionally install the headereC files in directory structure to be used for reference purposes (the B compiler does not ordinarily get anything out of those directories by itself).   F One of your systems had the C compiler installed so that the referenceA copies of the headers were installed. The other system has eithernB not had the C compiler installed on it or it was installed but theB person who did so chose not to install the reference copies of the
 header files.-   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:18:26 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Hidden files?, Message-ID: <3C99CF91.F60B4570@videotron.ca>  A On my system, I have found .H files in the following directories:s    C Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.DECC$RTLDEF]aE Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.SYS$STARLET_C] 1 Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.DECW$INCLUDE]t< Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.DECW$INCLUDE.EXTENSIONS]5 Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.DECW$INCLUDE.XMU]o4 Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSHLP.EXAMPLES]9 Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.DECW] ? Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.DECW.UTILS]e: Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.TCPIP]? Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.TCPIP.SNMP]X+ Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB] 2 Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.TCPIP$LIB.RPC]3 Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.TCPIP$LIB.SNMP]o1 Directory $2$DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.XDPS$INCLUDE]m  L So, when I need to see the contents of an include or search for an exit code value, I just do4 type $disk4:[sys0.syscommon...]stdio.h for instance.  I I am disapointed that the vanilla C compiler installation doesn't cause aKS generic logical name that has all the proper directories to make it easy to search.l  N I have not done a SET FILE/WATCH to see what the compiler actually does access) (wether it is a TLB or the actual files).c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:15:01 -0800o' From: JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.com> F Subject: How does one check to verify all nodes are fully operational?' Message-ID: <3C994225.9DA690B@lmco.com>r  G Given 50 workstations on clusters scattered over an are larger than you C can walk comfortably in a day.  You reboot one or more clusters.  ArH glance at $moni clus and you can see if the workstations are online, and6 $sho dev d to see if the disks are online and mounted.  F But what can you do to verify that logicals are defined, that paths toD executables have been created, commands defined, etc. -- on each andF every workstation.  This is a problem if you have a larger system withE many comfiles which are run as part of the boot process, and existingt? design is such that it is possible to not be ready when logicalnE assignments are made, thus not being totally ready when the user sits1 down.6  E Are there any existing software applications that address this topic?-   TIA,  
 Jeff Klopotice   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 10:54:14 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) J Subject: Re: How does one check to verify all nodes are fully operational?3 Message-ID: <vYLSlKtg5vKS@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  Q In article <3C994225.9DA690B@lmco.com>, JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.com> writes:tI > Given 50 workstations on clusters scattered over an are larger than youiE > can walk comfortably in a day.  You reboot one or more clusters.  AnJ > glance at $moni clus and you can see if the workstations are online, and8 > $sho dev d to see if the disks are online and mounted. > H > But what can you do to verify that logicals are defined, that paths toF > executables have been created, commands defined, etc. -- on each andH > every workstation.  This is a problem if you have a larger system withG > many comfiles which are run as part of the boot process, and existingcA > design is such that it is possible to not be ready when logicalrG > assignments are made, thus not being totally ready when the user sitsC > down.i  = That is a matter of debugging the startup command procedures,S; and ensuring they report errors back to a central location.  My typical technique is:  / 	SEARCH SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.LOG "-F","-E-","-W-"l  = but there are a couple of false positives in there, so if youo> want to do it on an automated basis some postprocessing of theA output will be required (and may change from release to release).e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:58:52 +0000o  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comJ Subject: Re: How does one check to verify all nodes are fully operational?: Message-ID: <OF944A095D.E9321BF7-ON00256B83.005D3686@btyp>  J I think I might have answered this already, but take a look at ROBOMON. It& will check all the things you ask for.   Cheers   Steve Sc        ; JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.com> on 03/21/2002 02:15:01 AM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: F From:      JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.com>, 21 March 2002, 2:15 a.m.  = How does one check to verify all nodes are fully operational?r    G Given 50 workstations on clusters scattered over an are larger than youeC can walk comfortably in a day.  You reboot one or more clusters.  A H glance at $moni clus and you can see if the workstations are online, and6 $sho dev d to see if the disks are online and mounted.  F But what can you do to verify that logicals are defined, that paths toD executables have been created, commands defined, etc. -- on each andF every workstation.  This is a problem if you have a larger system withE many comfiles which are run as part of the boot process, and existingC? design is such that it is possible to not be ready when logicaluE assignments are made, thus not being totally ready when the user sitsa down.u  E Are there any existing software applications that address this topic?t   TIA,  
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 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.s  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, D RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:06:20 -0800 M From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>eJ Subject: Re: How does one check to verify all nodes are fully operational?: Message-ID: <3C9A130C.88390592@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>  
 JMK wrote:  I > Given 50 workstations on clusters scattered over an are larger than you-E > can walk comfortably in a day.  You reboot one or more clusters.  AnJ > glance at $moni clus and you can see if the workstations are online, and8 > $sho dev d to see if the disks are online and mounted. > H > But what can you do to verify that logicals are defined, that paths toF > executables have been created, commands defined, etc. -- on each and > every workstation.   [...]c= At my previous place of employment, my colleague put togetherf@ a large set (over the years) of "watchdog" procedures to monitor@ changes of just about anything from day to day.  It ran on every? system every morning and mailed the results to the "interested"  parties.  : In particular, write procedures that capture the output of: Show Logical/System (and/or other name tables), that lists@ /Full all installed images, that list the versions of all images9 in Sys$System and Sys$Library (and others), that use VERBs= to list the contents of DCLTABLES, etc.  Each day, the output = of these procedures is compared (Difference) with that of the.6 previous day, and the differences are e-mailed to you.  ; With these tools in place, you can "trigger" the procedures-; to run shortly after reboot which will then give you a goodr< idea of whether everything you expected to have changed did,= and alert you to things that changed but shouldn't have, etc.   6 And no, I don't know of a commercial product that does this...r       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfielde! F20 Automation VMS System Supportp kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.com-   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 07:17:25 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)E Subject: Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?h3 Message-ID: <DsB93Av0ERZv@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  ` In article <20MAR02.21061516@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes: > E > Without the Spin Up jumper it sounds like it spins up when I do thenG > MOUNT command.  In fact, it starts to mount but goes into mountVerifyrB > while it's supposed to be doing its rebuild.  But that's another0 > problem which I'll look at after it times out. >   C If it's getting that far into the mount, what happens when you do a ( $ MOUNT/NOREBUILD or a $ MOUNT/NOWRITE ?   Simon.   -- -B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:48:11 GMTl# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>aE Subject: Re: How to install DSP3107L disk in a Storageworks canister?cC Message-ID: <vwlm8.249$nO.196@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>l  K It might be easier to diagnose the drive by trying it in a PC first with ant Adaptec controller installed.   I Easier to hear what's going on (less fan noise, etc..) and probably a few 7 more software tools to help figure out what's going on.     8 "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message, news:18MAR02.16402873@feda01.fed.ornl.gov...L > I have a DEC DSP3107L disk that may be bad but we have no backup so I wantK > to see if I can recover anything.  I'm trying to install it in one of thetH > white Storageworks canisters in a BA353-AE (Storageworks "pizza" box).K > Of course, I don't have any docs on the box or canisters.  When I installiG > it on my 3400, VMS (7.2-1) configures the disk and shows that it is alK > DEC DSP3107LS.  But when I try to mount it I get "%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, mediumt isJ > offline".  Before the disk was shipped to me (it was off-site), we tried toK > mount it using a different external box.  That also failed, but the errorcH > message was different (no home block, IIRC).  So I'm wondering if I'veG > connected the canister cables correctly to the drive.  Can (and will) L > anyone tell me how the canister wires should be attached to the drive?  Or > point to some on-line docs?s >a	 > Thanks,h > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV2J > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:52:38 -0800-" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux/ Message-ID: <u9kairbebmln92@corp.supernews.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  E I'm off topic here, but seeing as you are a sun consultant, I need a tJ question answered that the San Jose bunch don't seem to be able to answer.  J On the 100, why is there only a CD-ROM drive instead of a CD-RW drive for L local back-ups?  I like the idea of having a development platform at a very I low cost, and that is standalone.  Backing up to 1.44mb floppies doesnt'  J seem to be a very good idea.   Another question: why did they have to use G proprietary ram simm packs instead of the off-the-shelf type of simms??e  K So far, the sales desk down in San Jose can't seem to answer any technical tD questions about anything.  They say they can't help me and then its J <plonk>.  Or am I talking to the wrong people?  I wanted to buy a sun but - your people have made this almost impossible.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:55:58 -0800t" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux/ Message-ID: <u9kap3khlqr10e@corp.supernews.com>e  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > C >> "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messagee0 >> news:0vol8.1113$fL6.23977@news.cpqcorp.net... >> BC >>>Remember, the new Sun keyword is "commercial" UNIX as opposed torL >>>"proprietary" UNIX ;-).  They'll try to find ways to belittle it and tellI >>>you why it isn't ready-for-prime-time.  I think I hear Rome burning in0$ >>>the background as Andrew fiddles. >>>a >>>m >>   >  > F > Fred it would be better if you posted about something you understoodE > rather than something you clearly don't. Perhaps you should confine08 > yourself to alt.folklore or alt.alternative.universes. > A > However in the real world Linux isn't ready for primetime as an.? > enterprise class OS. Apart from anything it does not scale toeA > much more than 4 CPU's. One customer I work with is trialing it.A > for compute servers and small web/apps servers. They have had aaD > team of engineers working on integrating OpenSource and CommercialB > tools, filesystems etc into their distribution to get Linux to aD > state where they are confident that it will meet even these rather@ > limitted requirements. Almost all the work they have had to doA > themselves or pay other people to do is unecessary on either ofe@ > the two commercial UNIX's that they also use. They have had to+ > start at the filesystem and work upwards.e > A > How many of your customers would replace the OpenVMS filesystem_; > or the Tru64 filesystem because it isn't robust enough ??s > @ > The wonderfull thing about the BS you seem to have decended toE > spouting is that is so applicable to Compaq. You are the archetypale% > thrower of stones in a glass house.n > A > Linux represents a much bigger threat to Compaq than it does to D > Sun. Solaris has the largest number of commercial apps appart fromG > Win32 and it offers excelent capabilites for running both Linux (GNU)eJ > and Win32 apps. OpenVMS offers neither and has a declining SW portfolio,E > Tru64 has no future in HP so thats going, Tandem has a declining SWB > base.  > D > Linux will not kill off all the Commercial UNIX's any more than NTB > did. What it is most likely to do is kill the marginal platformsG > are ISV's rationalise the number of ports that have and add Linux/x864H > to their platform this is what happened with NT. Compaqs brands appart) > from WinTel are all marginal platforms.. > F > Most analysts are looking at Win32/64, Solaris, AIX and possibly but@ > not necessarely HP-UX depending on if HP bungle the PA to IA64E > transition or not. Everything else is history and that I am affraidi > means you. > D > If you can explain what your strategy is to avoid this then pleaseE > feel free to do so, past attemps by you or any other members of thec, > Compaq Choir have been less than tunefull. > C > As I said earlier you seem to be spending an inordinate amount ofnF > effort on criticising and FUDDING Sun is it because you realise that@ > your customers respect and understand Sun's strategy and don't > understand or respect yours. >   B I think you are wrong in this case about linux not being a viable F enterprise solution.  Go to http://www.tscnet.com   ....  this ISP is 2 nothing but Linux and serves quite a few counties.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 07:57:24 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e+ Subject: Re: HPCL minute of the day: HP/EOD 3 Message-ID: <cJ8dY4APEz5u@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <3C997681.6EC19540@telocity.com>, Koloth <koloth@telocity.com> writes:t > OK I give.  I don't get it >   B $DECK and $EOD are used to positively identify data lines within a
 command file.)  C The command after "$type sys$input" should be "$DECK", which can beoC abreviated "$DEC".  Note: "$Compaq" gives the same results as "$HP"o  on most systems (%DCL-W-IVVERB).  ? Now we move from CompDEC to HP-ComDEC?  I don't wanna move fromoF d|i|g|t|a|l UNIX to PH-UX!  (Been there, done that, ughh).  Good thing0 I've got my personal VMScluster in the basement.   Didier Morandi wrote:. > G > I get a syntax error in the following line and do not figure out why:  >  > $ type sys$input > $HPV >S > hello sailor >n > $EOD > $ exit >. > :-)) >- > D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:36:24 +0100o7 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>:& Subject: RE: HSZ10 looking for info...O Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6DA6@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>n  J You wouldn't believe it, but it looks like I have luck with google.com and hsz10.  . http://www.compaq.com/info/SP4530/SP4530PF.PDF   > -----Original Message-----F > From: oliver.steeples@compaq.com [mailto:oliver.steeples@compaq.com]# > Sent: vrijdag 15 maart 2002 14:41n > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como( > Subject: Re: HSZ10 looking for info... >  > + > HSZ10, codename TOTO, I knew him so well.  > H > It's a bugger.  There's a utility canned ACE that you have to run thatF > lets you configure it, the software itself actually sits of a hiddenD > partition of any disks in the enclosure.  If it has disks then youC > might have got lucky and the utility is on the disks but I can'tr D > remeber the command to init them on system startup.  If it doesn't: > have disks then you have just brought a big paperweight. > F > I personally would use the disks in a BA350 or something and get rid > of the HSZ10.i > 
 > Regards, >            Oliver  > 1 > "Dan" <io_crater@hotmail.com> wrote in message n9 > news:<f8Pj8.138271$kb.7590940@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>... : > > I recently picked up what I believe is an HSZ10 at an  > auction that I am > > > hoping to attach to a VMS hobbyist  system (Alpha 4100 or  > 1000).    As usual? > > for auctions the HSZ10 came with no manuals or software. A o > model number one( > > the back of the unit shows SWXRA-01. > >  > > D > > It does not have the PC Card that I have seen in newer model HSZ? > > controllers.  It has an MMJ jack on the front along with 2 1 > 68 pin femaler > > SCSI connectorse > >  > > @ > > Any pointers on documentation and software requirements for  > this unit?   I7 > > am not having much luck with the internet searches.> > >  > > Dan Henigman > >  > > .A >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:22:27 GMTt8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)> Subject: Re: IF-THEN-ELSE oddity: Extra ELSE's cause no error!3 Message-ID: <7Nnm8.1320$fL6.26489@news.cpqcorp.net>   $      1	$    WSO = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"      2	$    IF P1.EQ.0      3	$    THEN      4	$        WSO "P1 = 0"      5	$    ELSE  ! 1t$      6	$        WSO "ELSE 1 P1 != 0"      7	$    ELSE  ! 2 $      8	$        WSO "ELSE 2 P1 != 0"      9	$    ELSE  ! 3k$     10	$        WSO "ELSE 3 P1 != 0"     11	$    ELSE$     12	$        WSO "ELSE 4 P1 != 0"     13	$    ENDIFl  H Did you notice that line 4 is executed if P1 is 0, and line 6 is execute for ANY other value of P1?   i.e. lines 7-12 are "ignored".  I So, this is a case -- some would say "yet another case" -- where DCL will.@ run without error even though a syntax rule is clearly violated.  G If you are depending on this to do something, be aware that it probablycE doesn't do what you want, AND that it is undefined behaviour that mayb change in the future.e  F If you want DCL to be changed to generate a warning about this, report# it via your normal support channel.1  J The DCL_CHECK procedure mentioned in a prior reply will catch this problemL and many others that may be lurking in your DCL procedures.  It is available on the FREEWARE CD.-   -- IK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAwH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:28:52 +0100e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t' Subject: Re: lpd printing + telnetqueuea' Message-ID: <3C998BB4.149DD1AE@aaa.com>d  3 Well, there is "garbage" and there is "garbage" :-)o7 Does it look as PCL or Postscript ? Or as anything else . that looks like what you are trying to print ?" You print from the NT box, right ?5 What printer driver is defined for the "NT-printer" ?2: Try to STOP/QUE and look at the spool file on ":sd=", Does$ it look "OK", whatever that may be ?  	 Jan-Erik.-   Carlo Mussche wrote: > / > Well I get a few pages with some "garbage" on  > W > Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:<3C91F532.F8E2E20F@aaa.com>...p4 > > What do you mean with "not printed correctly" ?? > >u > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.b > >1 > > Carlo Mussche wrote: > > > K > > > On my nt-pc i've added a printer with a LPR port referring to a queueoK > > > PBEPQPTEST on VMS(defined as a local queue in LPD on VMS).  The queuehG > > > itself is defined as a telnetqueue.  But the jobs are not printede< > > > correctly.  Do you know what the cause of this can be? > > >s > > > printcap:o > > > PBEPQPTEST|pbepqptest:\o: > > >         :lf=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/PBEPQPTEST.LOG:\ > > >         :lp=PBEPQPTEST:\5 > > >         :sd=/SYS$SPECIFIC/TCPIP$LPD/PBEPQPTEST:i > > >  > > > printer queue created byK > > > INITIALIZE/QUEUE/PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM/on="ipadd:9100" PBEPQPTEST  > > >tG > > > (If I do lpr printing from another vms machine to that queue thatl > > > works fine.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:18:42 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>o Subject: Re: Merger Advertisinge, Message-ID: <2Com8.4$je5.418@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  < <Gregory.Stigers@CGIUSA.COM> wrote in message (originally in6 comp.sys.hp.mpe) news:a7c6m705ea@enews2.newsguy.com...G > Should the OpenVMS folk be nervous? Perhaps not nearly as much as the  Tru64a > UNIX users...-    D VMS people nervous? Never! We know that the "preliminary estimate ofF shareowner proxies" used by Carly to claim her victory was provided byK Arthur Anderson. Once the final count is in, some company that knows how to L market VMS will come in and buy it. Either that or Curly will be replaced byG someone with more brains. The other day I overheard the janitor who waseJ cleaning the vomit at the local mall tell his invisible friend that he was: looking for a new job, I think we have a fit there. :):):)   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.a   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 00:24:12 -0800' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers)SY Subject: Message found in operator.log "INTERnet ACP Error  Status = %SYSTEM-F-LINKABORT" = Message-ID: <be44b12d.0203210024.11ce55c3@posting.google.com>s  1 In our operator.log we see the following message:r  " Message from user INTERnet on LNV20 INTERnet ACP Error  Status = %SYSTEM-F-LINKABORT   It appears ever 2 minutes.   What is wrong?  
 Greetings,   Piet   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Mar 2002 05:28 CSTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)a Subject: Re: MicroVax Crashh- Message-ID: <21MAR200205284327@gerg.tamu.edu>    valdemir-@uol.com.br writes...8 }In my job we have an MicroVax 3100/95, OpenVMS 5.5-2h4.8 }When I try recover a database (using RMU/RESTORE), this9 }system crash. Looking Operator.log I get these messages:d   [...]h  / }My question: What does it mean these messages? D }We have 15 Vax machines in network, and only this MicroVax (DRVAX4) }haves this problem...    E None of the posted messages has anything to do with a crash, as such.c  D They are all messages relating to the startup of DECnet during boot.F If you hadn't crashed, you wouldn't be booting. If you weren't bootingA you wouldn't get those messages. That is the all the relationshipr. there is between those messages and the crash.  D You have to check for things with times that are older than these inF your operator log and error log since the crash was clearly before the boot messages.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 08:04:50 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgA Subject: Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM state-3 Message-ID: <IpRneXSfH74J@eisner.encompasserve.org>8  \ In article <3C991EC3.B276CF73@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:J > If 2 cpus show 158% usage with 8 processes in COM, it is possible that 7O > processes are running on one CPU which is at 100% while the other CPU is onlyR, > at 58% with the remaining process in COM ?  F I would find it unusual to find 7 processes with affinity for a single CPU.  H Note that COM processes aren't running on any CPU.  If they were running on a CPU they would be CUR.S   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:20:37 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>.A Subject: Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM stateI, Message-ID: <3C99EC2A.553F80F3@videotron.ca>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:AJ > Note that COM processes aren't running on any CPU.  If they were running > on a CPU they would be CUR.2  N Pardon my ignorance, but can a process hop from CPU to CPU or is it assigned a CPU at process creation ?A   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 08:24:02 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgA Subject: Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM stateo3 Message-ID: <BjosRogYqz6L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3C99EC2A.553F80F3@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: K >> Note that COM processes aren't running on any CPU.  If they were running  >> on a CPU they would be CUR. > P > Pardon my ignorance, but can a process hop from CPU to CPU or is it assigned a > CPU at process creation ?    It can hop.s  D You basically have a single queue of computable processes.  And as a0 CPU becomes idle, it picks a job from the queue.  C Processes can be tied to a specific CPU.  This is called "processorsJ affinity".  And such a process can only execute on [one of] the designatedF CPU[s].  But processor affinity is the exception rather than the rule.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:18:13 -0500v From: William_Bochnik@acml.comA Subject: Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM state-> Message-ID: <OF30F4B237.CED711A5-ON85256B83.004E7FA2@acml.com>  ? what do you think this is, some Microsoft POS operating system?I> Just kidding - I believe it's an option to tie to a processor,4 but generally you just let'er bounce back and forth.      ^                                                                                               ^                       JF Mezei                                                                ^                       <jfmezei.spamnot@vi                To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com           ^                       deotron.ca>                        cc:                                  ^                                                   Subject: Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage   ^                       03/21/2002 09:20 AM         and 8 jobs in COM state                     ^                       Please respond to                                                       ^                       JF Mezei                                                                ^                       <jfmezei.spamnot@vi                                                     ^                       deotron.ca>                                                             ^                                                                                               ^                                                                                                      briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:(= > Note that COM processes aren't running on any CPU.  If they) were running > on a CPU they would be CUR.   @ Pardon my ignorance, but can a process hop from CPU to CPU or is
 it assigned aa CPU at process creation ?m          F ______________________________________________________________________;  The information contained in this transmission may containe@ privileged and confidential information and is intended only forA the use of the person(s) name above.  If you are not the intendedu= recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for deliveringt3 this message to the intended recipient, any review,r@ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication? is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient,:A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroyr# all copies of the original message.e   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 08:46:43 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)kA Subject: Re: MONI SYS shows 80% CPU usage and 8 jobs in COM statet3 Message-ID: <vmFG5TdqXdRL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3C99EC2A.553F80F3@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:BK >> Note that COM processes aren't running on any CPU.  If they were running  >> on a CPU they would be CUR. > P > Pardon my ignorance, but can a process hop from CPU to CPU or is it assigned a > CPU at process creation ?l  > 	He had mentioned affinity.... you can assign processes to run- 	on certain CPUs *only*, for various reasons:   L http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6491/6491pro_004.html#index_x_189L http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6491/6491pro_015.html#index_x_590   	Scheduling:  L http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6491/6491pro_004.html#index_x_172   3.9.3 Process Priority  O When required to select the next process for scheduling, the scheduler examines8L the priorities assigned to all the processes that are computable and selects' the process with the highest priority. s  L http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6491/6491pro_014.html#index_x_517L http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6491/6491pro_004.html#index_x_183  @ 	A good scheduler sends a process back to the CPU it last ran onB 	(cache re-use possibilities).  Really arcane and difficult stuff.F 	Long back and forths in the Linux camp as they had a cruddy scheduler 	but *apparently* fixed things.w  " 	But in a multi-user environment, G 	hundreds of semi-active users, multi-CPUs, round-robin scheduling ... t' 	don't *expect* to run on the same CPU.e   				Robw   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Mar 2002 06:48 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)d3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ... - Message-ID: <21MAR200206483608@gerg.tamu.edu>n  . "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> writes...6 }"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message8 }news:d7791aa1.0203201611.4943c0aa@posting.google.com...1 }> Analysts: Security flaws won't undermine LinuxT }> }> By TODD R. WEISS- }> (March 15, 2002)0 } H }> Three weeks ago, a vulnerability was reported in a Netfilter firewallD }> component used in various versions of the Linux kernel that couldC }> result in open ports that would allow intrusions by hackers (seer
 }> story). } H }Wouldn't it be nice to have something like netfilter in the VMS kernel?   No, it would not.a  H The proper place for such a thing, if you want it, is not in the kernel.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:08:46 -0500V2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...oK Message-ID: <rdeininger-2103020708470001@1cust225.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   3 In article <a7bk76$hiq$1@lore.csc.com>, "Dale King"e <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote:V  P >Sure we can see VMS isn't susceptible to these attacks, but really, there isn'tO >a whole lot of this software functionality on VMS either.  Geez, we still haveu >to pay for a TCP/IP stack!s  I Huh?  We've been though this many times in recent weeks.  TCP/IP servicesmF is bundled with most any new VMS system sale, and has been for years. 7 There may be exceptions, but nobody has pointed to one.i  I In any case, we have to pay for all the pieces of VMS.  Some are includedrI in the base license, some are in bundled licenses, and some of extra-cost- layered products.e    O >I would much rather see VMS get this sort of functionality than users bragginghF >about how "unhackable" their OS is.  Windows/linux would be too if we
 didn't run >anything on it ;)  J So contact the TCP/IP services product manager at Compaq, or the folks whoJ decide what to put in the products at Process Software, and tell them yourI needs.  That is the way new features get added to VMS.  Not via newsgroupt posts.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 05:56:29 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...n= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203210556.771a8e4b@posting.google.com>l  Y "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote in message news:<a7bk76$hiq$1@lore.csc.com>...37 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0203201611.4943c0aa@posting.google.com... 2 > > Analysts: Security flaws won't undermine Linux > >r > > By TODD R. WEISS > > (March 15, 2002) >  rI > > Three weeks ago, a vulnerability was reported in a Netfilter firewalloE > > component used in various versions of the Linux kernel that couldCD > > result in open ports that would allow intrusions by hackers (see > > story).- > I > Wouldn't it be nice to have something like netfilter in the VMS kernel?RP > Unfortunately I can't see VMS getting anything as powerful as this in the nearK > furture.  Even so, such a piece of software is unlikely to be problem (orJ > exploit) free first go.d > L > Sure we can see VMS isn't susceptible to these attacks, but really, there   J vms doesn't need netfilter!  you answered your own question in your second9 statement ... "vms isn't vulnerable to these attacks" ...v   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 05:54:11 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...o= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203210554.469ad557@posting.google.com>   B > "There's a period of shakeout that every [operating system] goesH > through," said Eric Hemmendinger, an analyst at Aberdeen Group Inc. inC > Boston. "I don't think this will cause people to say, 'Oops, this & > isn't what we thought it would be.'"     vms hasn't had to ...D  E > Many other widely used operating systems, including IBM's mainframeoF > software, commercial Unix products and Microsoft Corp.'s Windows NT,C > have "gone through a period of security vulnerability issues, but C > they've been resolved," Hemmendinger said. "IBM went through thisr' > period, and they put it behind them."n  =   and they are still putting it behind them day after day ...v  @ > Brian Dewey, a network engineer at retailer Raymour & Flanigan@ > Furniture Co. Inc. in Syracuse, N.Y., said the recent zlib andH > Netfilter issues haven't caused him any worries about his use of LinuxD > for point-of-sale terminals in 50 stores and in firewall and otherF > back-end systems. Dewey said he's satisfied that fixes are posted inF > short order to help users. His company, which has used the operatingG > system for two years, is installing the zlib patches and updating Reda$ > Hat Inc. versions from 6.2 to 7.2.  I   happy until one day he fonds out his whole disk has been blown away ...a  C > Alan Paller, research director at the SANS Institute, a Bethesda, H > Md.-based nonprofit security group, said it's not a surprise that moreH > vulnerabilities are showing up in Linux, since the operating system isF > being used more widely in corporate computing. The larger deploymentF > of the operating system means more problems are likely to be seen in > larger numbers, Paller said.  ,   doesn't this sound like microsoft talking?  F > Dan Kusnetzky, an analyst at IDC in Framingham, Mass., said the trueH > measure of the problem is not whether security issues crop up, but how > quickly they're resolved.   B   I guess that means its ok if you go down as long as you don't go   down too long (weeks?) ...  E > "There is no such thing as an unbreakable product," Kusnetzky said.2H > Instead, users are more interested in whether their Linux vendors takeE > quick action to announce and post fixes for new vulnerabilities, he E > said. "The fact that something has shown up is not a major negativeU > [for Linux]."t  F   I guess he hasn't heard of "unhackable" vms ... again this sounds to"   me like microsofts rationale ...   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 05:46:36 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...n= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203210546.39aa5419@posting.google.com>a  Y "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote in message news:<a7bk76$hiq$1@lore.csc.com>... 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageo9 > news:d7791aa1.0203201611.4943c0aa@posting.google.com...s2 > > Analysts: Security flaws won't undermine Linux > >t > > By TODD R. WEISS > > (March 15, 2002) >  iI > > Three weeks ago, a vulnerability was reported in a Netfilter firewalltE > > component used in various versions of the Linux kernel that couldrD > > result in open ports that would allow intrusions by hackers (see > > story).  > I > Wouldn't it be nice to have something like netfilter in the VMS kernel? P > Unfortunately I can't see VMS getting anything as powerful as this in the nearK > furture.  Even so, such a piece of software is unlikely to be problem (or. > exploit) free first go.a > Q > Sure we can see VMS isn't susceptible to these attacks, but really, there isn't P > a whole lot of this software functionality on VMS either.  Geez, we still have > to pay for a TCP/IP stack! > P > I would much rather see VMS get this sort of functionality than users braggingR > about how "unhackable" their OS is.  Windows/linux would be too if we didn't run > anything on it ;)e  G what are you talking about?  there are plenty of apps for vms!  we havee@ found everything we have needed so far, and if not, we write it!E Having a bunch of apps is useless if your server goes down because ofl) a virus or hacker and you can't run them!m   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:17:19 GMTe From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGe3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ... 0 Message-ID: <00A0B44A.0BCE22D0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <21MAR200206483608@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:a/ >"Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> writes... 7 >}"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messager9 >}news:d7791aa1.0203201611.4943c0aa@posting.google.com... 2 >}> Analysts: Security flaws won't undermine Linux >}>r >}> By TODD R. WEISS >}> (March 15, 2002) >} tI >}> Three weeks ago, a vulnerability was reported in a Netfilter firewalleE >}> component used in various versions of the Linux kernel that could D >}> result in open ports that would allow intrusions by hackers (see >}> story).c >} pI >}Wouldn't it be nice to have something like netfilter in the VMS kernel?  >t >No, it would not. >oI >The proper place for such a thing, if you want it, is not in the kernel.s  G Would you care to explain what this netfilter thing in the Linux kernelo does for one using Linux?u   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMy             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbeso   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:12:50 GMT.0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ... 8 Message-ID: <3c9a141a.840970962@proxy.news.easynews.com>  A On 20 Mar 2002 16:11:55 -0800, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)e wrote:  D >windoze and linux users just keep on dreaming and say to themselvesG >daily that "things are getting better" & "all os's have this problem",i> >while still unaware that there is a "unhackable" os, VMS ...   D I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.  Granted, security was a design? concern for VMS from day 1 (as opposed to Windows, where it wasCC very much an afterthought), and the security design in VMS is very, > very good.  But VMS has not been without its security bugs and
 design flaws.i  D It's not really that VMS is unhackable--it's more that it represents@ such a miiniscule part of the overall computer marketplace these+ days that nobody bothers to try to hack it.    >I guessB >once a fool, always a fool ... from computerworld ... notice theyE >mention windoze, linux, unix and even IBM mainframes, but not a peep  >about vms ... I wonder why?  A Because the trade press, rightly or wrongly, considers VMS a dead-E (or dying) OS.  Digital's and Compaq's abysmal job of marketing is asn( much to blame for that as anything else.  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:17:30 GMTg0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...t8 Message-ID: <3c9a154c.841277092@proxy.news.easynews.com>  A On 21 Mar 2002 05:54:11 -0800, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)m wrote:  C >> "There's a period of shakeout that every [operating system] goes I >> through," said Eric Hemmendinger, an analyst at Aberdeen Group Inc. iniD >> Boston. "I don't think this will cause people to say, 'Oops, this' >> isn't what we thought it would be.'"i >i >  vms hasn't had to ...  D It most certainly has!!!  I was at a customer beta test site for theC VAX-11/780 back in 1978.  My job was to try to subvert the security D system from a vanilla user account, so that we could try to plug the= holes before unleashing the general user community (which wasnE university students) at the machine.  I found about 10 different ways5? to break in (all of which were fixed by DEC in later releases).   B The first few releases of VMS shipped with holes you could drive a> truck through.  But security was always a major concern of theF VMS developers and there was (and continues to be) steady improvement.? IMO today VMS is one of the most secure commercial OSes around.t  A But, as the article said, every OS goes through a teething periodu9 regarding security.  VMS was no different in that regard.P  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:42:32 -0500 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>o- Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1 and UCX 4.2 ECO 05 2 Message-ID: <I=GZPJ7QrtGVB3S1d7=ymYz0gsQC@4ax.com>  ;     Fabio, you might also check the ECOs for both V5.0a andh; V5.1 and see if they address any issues regarding printing,i either via LPD or Telnetsym.   David   2 On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:07:26 +0100, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> wrote:   Q >Fabio, it takes less than ten minutes to install TCP/IP 5 and it works perfectly O >well on 7.2-1 and you don't even need to reboot. just stop UCX, install TCP/IP + >from the VMS CD, restart TCP/IP and voil.n >v >D.  >  >Fabio Cardoso wrote:b >> . >> David >>  7 >> This machine is not clustered, and the users give mec8 >> just a few hours per weekend to stop it. It is a 24x78 >> machine, and I dont have conditions now to upgrade to4 >> VMS 7.3 because we didnt test our systems in this4 >> version. It is better to upgrade "slowly", I will1 >> go to V7.2-1 because all the other machines in 5 >> the company (other sites) are in this max version. 7 >> I dont want to cause high impact in this upgrade, it  >> is 7 >> because I prefer to just patch the UCX, but if therea0 >> is no condition I will upgrade to TCPIP 5.0A. >>  7 >> I have 1500 printer and server  queues running under  >> UCX.  >>  
 >> Regards >>   >> FC  >>  6 >> --- David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>	 >> wrote:  >> >6 >> > Any reason why you would not upgrade to V7.2-2 or >> > V7.3 of VMS?  >> >9 >> > Any reason why you would not upgrade to V5.0 or V5.1o6 >> > of Compaq TCP/IP Services?  I don't think V4.2 is' >> > supported higher than V7.1 of VMS.C >> > >> > David R. Beatty >> >4 >> > On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:27:45 -0800 (PST), Fabio >> > Cardoso& >> > <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote: >> >( >> > >Anyone is using OpenVMS 7.2-1 with >> > >UCX 4.2 ECO 05 ? >> > >8 >> > >I am planning to upgrade one Alphaserver this next5 >> > >weeked. The actual versions are OpenVMS 7.1-1h2  >> > >and UCX 4.2 ECO 1. >> > >* >> > >Reading the README of the UCX ECO at* >> > >ftp.support.compaq.com, it is saying- >> > >that UCX ECO 05 is compatible just withd  >> > >OpenVMS 7.1 (max version). >> > >. >> > >Is that right ? Is the V7.2-1 compatible$ >> > >only with TCPIP Services 5.x ? >> > >
 >> > >Regardse >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >=====i  >> > >========================== >> > >Fbio dos Santos Cardoso >> > >OpenVMS System Manager >> > >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  >> > >fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br  >> > >========================== >> > >8 >> > >__________________________________________________ >> > >Do You Yahoo!?1 >> > >Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverageA >> > >http://sports.yahoo.com/ >> > >> s >> ===== >> ==========================c >> Fbio dos Santos Cardosot >> OpenVMS System Manager  >> Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >> fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brh >> ==========================m >> o5 >> __________________________________________________s >> Do You Yahoo!?p. >> Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage >> http://sports.yahoo.com/    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 05:16:03 -0800- From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis).@ Subject: Problem with SMTP mail on TCPIP v5.1. Help is sought...= Message-ID: <e54adf36.0203210516.1c3b7640@posting.google.com>v  C I have a big problem after I have upgraded to TCPIP v5.1 (I had 5.0r before). TheB problem is on both of my Alphas (one running OpenVMS 7.2-2 and the other 7.3).e  F I am sending email behind a firewall. So on my computer (name: GVCRD1)* my real domain name inside the company is:   gvcrd1.somename.mycompany.com.  = I have to ask SMTP to send the email to the outside world as:e   gvcrd1.email.mycompany.com  > When response arrives at the gatekeeper of my company, this is automatically changed to:    gvcrd1.somename.mycompany.comi   and gets delivered to my Alpha.t  B Now here is the problem. This was all working great till I did the upgrade. NowE it does not function anymore in the sense that the gatekeeper rejectsr emails. sent to the address:   gvcrd1.email.dupont.comD However I do not think that anythings has changed on the gatekeeper.C Some setting must be screwed up on my computer but I cannot find ita out.  E Of course delivery from my machine to the outside world works but nots	 the others way around.R   Here is the output:e   $ tcpip show config smtp/fulls   SMTP ConfigurationB                                                                    Options1@ Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       NOEIGHT_BIT @ Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       NORELAYa@ Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00                                TOP_HEADERSv  o= Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data o	 TerminateuD   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10   Receive:                5l   , Alternate gateway:  GATEKEEPER.MYCOMPANY.COM General gateway:    not definedi  o6 Substitute domain:  HIDDEN, GVCRD1.EMAIL.MYCOMPANY.COM Zone:               not definedh  2 Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTPC Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOGo   0 Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes                      t# TCPIP$SMTP_GVCRD1_00   1     GVCRD1a  	 and also:6   $ show service smtp/full  g
 Service: SMTPr-                            State:     Enabledn? Port:               25     Protocol:  TCP             Address: e 0.0.0.0h? Inactivity:          5     User_name: TCPIP$SMTP      Process: t
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 -------------a# Any help appreciated. Kind regards,i   Petros ---l Petros Dafniotis, PhDr pdafniotis@yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:00:54 +0100w( From: Rainer Lehrig <lehrig@t-online.de>, Subject: Question regarding: UCX SET SERVICE+ Message-ID: <3C999336.6AA6100F@t-online.de>.   Hi,i  G I want to use "ucx set service" to run a server like is done with inetd  under unix.0B It works fine under Linux but VMS eats my '\n' characters. Thus my protocol doesn't work.  G Can anybody tell me how to instruct VMS not to change any characters inl the communication.< "set terminal/pasthru" does not work on sys$net (see below).   Yours:. Rainer Lehrig                                   http://pvbrowser.sourceforge.net  Z ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------# DKA100:[LEHRIG]PVSERVER_SETUP.COM;2)  F $ ucx set service pvserver /file=dka100:[lehrig]pvserver_startup.com -F                            /user=lehrig                              -F                            /protocol=tcp                             -F                            /port=5050                                -F                            /process=pvserver                         -$                            /limit=10 $ ucx enable service pvserveri! $ ucx show service pvserver /fullr  % DKA100:[LEHRIG]PVSERVER_STARTUP.COM;2   2 $ set default dka100:[lehrig.cc.processviewserver]6 $ set terminal/pasthru   sys$net ! this gives an error  $ define/user sys$error  sys$net  $ define/user sys$output sys$net  $ define/user sys$input  sys$net% $ run dka100:[lehrig.exe]pvserver.exe   % DKA100:[LEHRIG]PVSERVER_STARTUP.LOG;3   $ %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying BG38:8 -SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for requested operation8   LEHRIG       job terminated at 21-MAR-2002 09:25:29.65     Accounting information:u>   Buffered I/O count:                734      Peak working set size:       3616H   Direct I/O count:                   36      Peak virtual size:         1713925   Page faults:                       447      Mounted" volumes:                0DC   Charged CPU time:        0 00:00:00.79      Elapsed time:       0r 00:00:07.56a $    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:07:56 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 0 Subject: Re: Question regarding: UCX SET SERVICE, Message-ID: <3C99CD1B.32345A30@videotron.ca>   Rainer Lehrig wrote:I > I want to use "ucx set service" to run a server like is done with inetde
 > under unix.eD > It works fine under Linux but VMS eats my '\n' characters. Thus my > protocol doesn't work.  K What routines does your program use to get its data from the TCP link ?  IfnN you open it using file io, then RMS will "reformat" your data to a record typeE of format. There are options however for the open statements to forcer> binary/no translation. (I think ctx=bin would be one of them).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:21:44 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> 0 Subject: Re: Question regarding: UCX SET SERVICE$ Message-ID: <3c9a2513$1@news.si.com>  H >I want to use "ucx set service" to run a server like is done with inetd >under unix.C >It works fine under Linux but VMS eats my '\n' characters. Thus mye >protocol doesn't work.   K Where did you get the idea that "\n" has any relevence with UCX?  Here's ane@ example of how to set up a service with UCX (the SAMBA service):  
 $ set noon $ define/user sys$output nla0: $ define/user sys$error nla0:  $ ucx disable service smbd $ ucx set service smbd -         /protocol=TCP -s         /port=139 -          /user=SYSTEM -         /process=SMBD -u0         /file=SAMBA_ROOT:[BIN]SMBD_STARTUP.COM -:         /log=(FILE:SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]SMBD_STARTUP.LOG,ALL) -         /limit=100$ $ ucx set config enable service smbd $ ucx enable service smbdd --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comt= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventa< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:34:00 -08002. From: JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.nospam.com>E Subject: Re: R.I.P. OpenVMS - ISS Recommends That H-P Holders Vote ins/ Message-ID: <3C97A0B8.84E752E3@lmco.nospam.com>g   > > >> > > > >> >P > > >> > Bill Gates doesn't even own 30% of Microsoft. (He owns under 15%, maybe; > > >> > even under 12% - it's somewhere in that vicinity.)e > > >> >N > > >> Isn't it because Bill has filed with the SEC to slowly sell off all hisO > > >> stocks in Msft.  Seems like bill sees the handwriting on the wall and ise2 > > >> getting out.  I think he filed last August. > > >r > > > *WOW*!!!   > > >d   I'm impressed:   Check it for yourself ---o  " http://biz.yahoo.com/t/m/msft.html  H A most interesting tidbit -  he's sold quite a few million shares in Feb alone!   Thanks for the info!  
 Jeff Klopoticn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:50:23 -0500i5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>r" Subject: Re: Right down the middle3 Message-ID: <W9pm8.1324$fL6.26734@news.cpqcorp.net>s   Bill Todd wrote in message ... > A >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messageo. >news:hL3m8.1263$fL6.25826@news.cpqcorp.net... >T >... >c >>H >> Well, I guess I'll buck the trend here.  I am all in favor of it, and look >> forward to it.u >c( >Company man to the bitter end, eh Fred? >oK >Sometimes I wonder whether your vigorous defense of the indefensible isn'te aeI >reaction against a little voice inside you that is just as pissed off as  thefF >rest of us are at a company that has left you in a dead-end job, on aL >dead-end product, in a corporate environment dedicated to mediocrity - whenI >things could have been so very different.  But it would help explain whynH >your main ambition these days seems to be to retire to Florida and play >golf. >A  G Hmmm.  Don't think I'm in a dead-end job.  Don't think I'm working on a.L dead-end product.  Don't think that any of the companies I've now worked for2 without changing jobs was dedicated to mediocrity.  K That doesn't mean I've always agreed with decisions that have been made, orcH been happy about various turns of events - especially the demise of DEC.  H "Company man"?  No.  I just believe that all things being equal, that HPJ provides a wider set of opportunities for VMS's future, than Compaq.  TakeK one simple example:  The Compaq HW strategy is IA32 for low-end 1p systems,oG with IA64 for larger servers - 2p and up.  While I can buy a HP 1p IA64oL workstation (expandable to 2p) for under $8000 list price quantity 1 with no	 discount.e  K My "main ambition" to retire to Florida is kind-of, sort-of, but-not-reallyaH a joke.  Getting out of the NH weather has been near the top of my to-doF list for about the last 7-8 years.  But it has become a lot like JamesL Gardner in "Support Your Local Sheriff" where he is on his way to Australia,L but never does manage to get there.  One day, the phase of the moon, kismet,H opportunity, or just plain luck will conspire to make it happen - but itL won't be because I want to leave OpenVMS Engineering.  Nor am I here becauseJ  I'm "locked into" VMS Engineering.  I simply have a wife I won't considerL leaving, who is a Nashua native, and who has not (yet) decided she can leave family and friends.c  L >Or not:  you don't leave anywhere nearly the wealth of publicly-collectibleL >information in your wake that Compaq does, so devining your motives is pure+ >speculation rather than informed analysis.r >s  < Does the above explain motivation?  At least for the merger?  H I am perplexed why any VMS customer should be concerned about the mergerL other than generic FUD.  I believe that it has a lot of upside potential forH VMS.  You don't like how Compaq has handled VMS, why not let HP try it'sL hand.  From your arguments, aside from outright cancellation - can it be any worse than the current state?i  L I'm looking forward to the close of the merger, and to see what the shape of the new company is.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:00:52 GMTh* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>2 Subject: Sanders confirms Win64 will run on HammerC Message-ID: <E3jm8.183372$uv5.15540275@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>S  J Doug Siebert just noted this in comp.arch.  The Inquirer has a synopsis ofI the Upside interview, but missed this particular (and rather significant)e tidbit.a  2 http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/story?id=3c98da541  C Another nail in Itanic's coffin.  And where, oh where, are McKinleyk benchmark numbers?   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 08:20:30 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)) Subject: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????e3 Message-ID: <2nZVaifpLEPr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ? So, anyone want to guess what Terry calls his publication now ?n  H My suggestion: Shannon knows DEC, where DEC = Digital Enhanced ComputingG (a variant on the DEC = Digital Enhanced Compaq suggested when CPQ took 	 over DEC)e  E Seriously, now that the merger looks like it's going to happen, wherec do you go from here Terry ?   I BTW, assuming the initial HP vote count is confirmed to be in favour of adL merger, does anybody else think that Carly is not going to wait for recountsK and legal challenges to finish, but is likely to try and force the issue byoJ presenting the post merger plans, and generally presenting the merger as a done deal ?o  I Her idea may be to force the challenges to be dropped by arguing that theaG merger is just been delayed and that HP is been harmed by the delays...    Simon.   -- rB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:42:35 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l- Subject: Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ???? , Message-ID: <3C99F14E.607EF874@videotron.ca>   Simon Clubley wrote:K > BTW, assuming the initial HP vote count is confirmed to be in favour of aeN > merger, does anybody else think that Carly is not going to wait for recountsM > and legal challenges to finish, but is likely to try and force the issue bydL > presenting the post merger plans, and generally presenting the merger as a
 > done deal ?   L I am not 100% convinced that Carly knows she has the 50%+1. What she said at. the meeting could have been just to save face.  N Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, that the following products are to beI dropped at some point in the 3 year product roadmap: VMS, Tru64, and HP'sC wintel servers.>  H During a challenge/recount, could Carly have the legal ability to accessN Compaq's customers and advise them of the product roadmaps and how HP plans toN compensate those customers negatively impacted by product rationalisation ? OrL must she really wait until all legal recourses have been exhausted and given% the official green light to proceed ?   K Would Compaq sales people be legally allowed to present to Compaq customers 8 the deals that HP will offer them as part of the product' rationalisatioN/consolidation/roadmap ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:07:32 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> - Subject: Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ???? F Message-ID: <UGmm8.11088$_L.8735@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C99F14E.607EF874@videotron.ca... > J > During a challenge/recount, could Carly have the legal ability to accessG > Compaq's customers and advise them of the product roadmaps and how HPD plans toK > compensate those customers negatively impacted by product rationalisationo ? OrH > must she really wait until all legal recourses have been exhausted and givenh' > the official green light to proceed ?  >pC > Would Compaq sales people be legally allowed to present to Compaql	 customersr: > the deals that HP will offer them as part of the product) > rationalisatioN/consolidation/roadmap ?>  L Legally, no. But you never know when Curly will show Carly what he has underL his kimono. If he does before a recount shows that the requisite majority ofG HP shareholders voted in favor of the merger, then he'd be in breach ofaH fiduciary responsibilities and should be fired. Mind you, he should have been fired long ago.  K Also bet that both HP and Walter Hewlett have scrutineers watching over the> proxy recount.   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Mar 2002 14:50:52 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)o- Subject: Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????e+ Message-ID: <a7cs0c$ovf$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>o  3 In article <2nZVaifpLEPr@eisner.encompasserve.org>,cE  clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:aB |> So, anyone want to guess what Terry calls his publication now ? |> =K |> My suggestion: Shannon knows DEC, where DEC = Digital Enhanced ComputingaJ |> (a variant on the DEC = Digital Enhanced Compaq suggested when CPQ took |> over DEC) |> -H |> Seriously, now that the merger looks like it's going to happen, where |> do you go from here Terry ?  B Hopefully, not to something that requires him to say, "Do you want fries with that?".   |> 5L |> BTW, assuming the initial HP vote count is confirmed to be in favour of aO |> merger, does anybody else think that Carly is not going to wait for recountsnN |> and legal challenges to finish, but is likely to try and force the issue byM |> presenting the post merger plans, and generally presenting the merger as a  |> done deal ? |> oL |> Her idea may be to force the challenges to be dropped by arguing that theJ |> merger is just been delayed and that HP is been harmed by the delays...  I I believe that there is a legal requirement for the voted to be confirmedo- by the independant auditors challenge or not.e   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 10:47:52 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ???? 3 Message-ID: <IKNk0MaBQBCh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <a7cs0c$ovf$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   K > I believe that there is a legal requirement for the voted to be confirmeda/ > by the independant auditors challenge or not.   7 Does HP know that Arthur Anderson is looking for work ?i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:21:55 GMTv0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)- Subject: Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ???? 8 Message-ID: <3c9a16b1.841634175@proxy.news.easynews.com>  < On 21 Mar 2002 14:50:52 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  J >I believe that there is a legal requirement for the voted to be confirmed. >by the independant auditors challenge or not.  D That is true.  It's required by Delaware law (both Compaq and HP areE incorporated in Deleware).  The difference is that on the Compaq sideiC there was only one major solicitor of proxies (management), and theCD results aren't being challenged, so it doesn't take the Inspector ofE the Election very long to certify the result.  On the HP side you had E a major proxy fight and a challenge.  The ballots and proxies have to5D be painstakingly compared against each other and against the list ofB stockholders, which is why certification is expected to take a few weeks.  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:54:57 -0500n5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o- Subject: Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????F3 Message-ID: <eepm8.1325$fL6.26745@news.cpqcorp.net>R  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3C99F14E.607EF874@videotron.ca>....  L >Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, that the following products are to beJ >dropped at some point in the 3 year product roadmap: VMS, Tru64, and HP's >wintel servers. >-  G While I can't say I see Tru64 on the roadmap beyond Alpha, and it makesnG sense that there will be consolidation of IA32 and IA64 design centers.9H What is your basis for even suggesting that VMS will be dropped from the roadmap?  4 You are reading tea leaves that simply aren't there.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:33:08 -0800.# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>c- Subject: RE: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????m9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEENEGAA.tom@kednos.com>    > -----Original Message-----< > From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]( > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:55 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-/ > Subject: Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????P >R >_ >U? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3C99F14E.607EF874@videotron.ca>...v >s> > >Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, that the following > products are to- > beL > >dropped at some point in the 3 year product roadmap: VMS, Tru64, and HP's > >wintel servers. > >5 > I > While I can't say I see Tru64 on the roadmap beyond Alpha, and it makesrI > sense that there will be consolidation of IA32 and IA64 design centers.bJ > What is your basis for even suggesting that VMS will be dropped from the
 > roadmap? >.6 > You are reading tea leaves that simply aren't there. >] >  >  >m From slide 3 "...K  We believe that these systems will be leadership in the all the dimensions$H that customers care about, whether it be form factor (e.g., 1U systems),J systems designed for scale-out or scale-up, systems designed with low costE in mind, or systems that have all the attributes expected in the dataeJ center.  And unique to Compaq, these systems can be deployed with the fullK spectrum of operating environments that customers will care about, Windows,gE Linux, Enterprise Unix (Tru64 UNIX) and specialized (OpenVMS).  Whilee Itanium Processor Family based<                                                  -----------H systems will be available from many vendors, none have the experience inB exploiting and driving industry standard as Compaq.  None have theK partnerships with the key providers (Microsoft and Intel) and ISVs (Oracle)@K as Compaq.  And none offer you a flexible, adaptive IT environment that can L serve all your needs, no matter how they change. And only Compaq can provideJ you with a single source (with no finger pointing!) for systems, operatingF environments, storage and services.  Clearly, the best path to ItaniumK Processor Family systems starts with Compaq ProLiant and Compaq AlphaServerm systems today. ..."   Interesting euphemism.   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Mar 2002 04:07 CSTT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)t4 Subject: Re: Strange status returned by sys$create()- Message-ID: <21MAR200204070801@gerg.tamu.edu>-  s In article <6e2f14f4.0203201418.7819d140@posting.google.com>, glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Glen Martin) writes...uB }For some reason, my calls to sys$create are returning a status ofF }-32759 (%xFFFF8009), which as far as I can tell doesn't correspond toG }any of the defined RMS return values. Any clues what this means (or amtG }I again overlooking something incredibly obvious)? (relevant code snip 	 }follows)a } 
 }<begin snip>r }struct FAB logfab;e }struct RAB lograb;h }  }short int status;  @ This is wrong. The returned status values are always pretty much( always 32 bit values, not 16 bit values.   [...]l9 }if ( status != RMS$_NORMAL && status != RMS$_CREATED)  {=, }   printf("sys$create() error = %08X, stv =" }%08X\n",status,logfab.fab$l_stv); }   return status; }   }] }<end snip>C% }Here, the printf() statement prints:R. }sys$create() error = FFFF8009, stv = 00000000 } * }However, exit %xFFFF8009 returns zilch...  D When you print it out in your printf statement you are specifying anH 8 character hex value output specifier, i.e. 32 bits or 4 bytes of data.I You are giving it only 2 bytes of data. It is aparently filling the otherrF 2 bytes with FFFF (or perhaps pulling them from the previous two bytes% of memory which happen to hold FFFF).m  C I expect that the actual status code, if you were to use the proper0? 4 byte integer type to hold it, would be %x18009 = RMS$_PENDING:8 %RMS-S-PENDING, asynchronous operation not yet completed   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Mar 2002 06:39 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o4 Subject: Re: Strange status returned by sys$create()- Message-ID: <21MAR200206395802@gerg.tamu.edu>   1 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes... Z }In article <1020320190535.17725A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:% }> On 20 Mar 2002, Glen Martin wrote:g }>  E }>> For some reason, my calls to sys$create are returning a status of I }>> -32759 (%xFFFF8009), which as far as I can tell doesn't correspond tot } F }%xFFFF8009 seems to be the code for "wrong compiler" as I read John's% }analysis.  See my comment(s?) below.e } 6 }> RMS statuses (statii?) are %x00018000 to %x00018FFF }> aJ }>> any of the defined RMS return values. Any clues what this means (or amJ }>> I again overlooking something incredibly obvious)? (relevant code snip }>> follows) }>>  }>> <begin snip> }>> struct FAB logfab; }>> struct RAB lograb; }>>  }>> short int status;e }> o }> status is a longword... } , }The compiler would have caught that in Ada.  B Fortran too. C doesn't. The C compiler is not as smart as it couldC be. The function prototype for all these things specify "int" so it A certainly has the necessary information to be able to notice thisl problem, it just doesn't.i  I }>> logfab.fab$l_fop = FAB$V_SQO | FAB$V_TEF | FAB$V_CIF; /* Create-If */u }>  B }> You are using bit offsets, not bit masks for the FOP options... } , }The compiler would have caught that in Ada.  : Really? Does it have a "bit vector" data type which is not= compatable with doing bitwise-or operations or being assignede& to whatever datatype the fab$l_fop is?  ( }> exit status %x00018009 corresponds to> }>  "%RMS-S-PENDING, asynchronous operation not yet completed" }> tA }> You are probably accidently setting the asynch bit in the FOP.g } , }The compiler would have caught that in Ada.  B I seriously doubt that - how is the compiler supposed to know thatD you don't actually want to set the asynch bit? Clearly it can't stopE you from setting valid bits since if it did you wouldn't ever be able D to set them and the Ada compiler would be worse than the C compiler.  B I can see how having more data types can make it hard to build the? bit mask from the wrong things (i.e. the vectors instead of theeE masks), but once you do have a bit mask I seriously doubt that it can0B tell if you have the bits set that you actually want to use. If itE can tell which bits you really wanted to set, then you don't actuallygA have to ever set any - it can just always use the right ones. AndaC you don't actually have to write the program since it can do it all E for you as it is able to read your mind. Then you just think "rewriteuD DCL to have the same capability you have" as you invoke the compilerF and it will create a version of DCL with one command: "do what I want"+ which will always do exactly what you want.V   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 07:58:50 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i4 Subject: Re: Strange status returned by sys$create()3 Message-ID: <CgJvjoZ9Em68@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <21MAR200206395802@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:m3 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes...i\ > }In article <1020320190535.17725A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:' > }> On 20 Mar 2002, Glen Martin wrote:s    K > }>> logfab.fab$l_fop = FAB$V_SQO | FAB$V_TEF | FAB$V_CIF; /* Create-If */a > }> sD > }> You are using bit offsets, not bit masks for the FOP options... > } . > }The compiler would have caught that in Ada. > < > Really? Does it have a "bit vector" data type which is not? > compatable with doing bitwise-or operations or being assignedh( > to whatever datatype the fab$l_fop is?  > Those bits have different functions, rather than being the FOOB bit for successive disk sectors, so a bit vector is not the proper representation.e  G The Starlet package for Ada defines those bits as a record of booleans,5 so one uses:   	loGFab.fOp.sqo := True; 	logfab.fop.tef := True; 	LOGFAB.FOP.CIF := True;  A The only way to address fab$l_fop as a whole is as that record of 	 booleans:i   	LOGFAB.FOP := ( SQO => TRUE,u 			TEF => TRUE,v 			CIF => TRUE,5 			OTHERS => FALSE );t  * > }> exit status %x00018009 corresponds to@ > }>  "%RMS-S-PENDING, asynchronous operation not yet completed" > }> aC > }> You are probably accidently setting the asynch bit in the FOP.o > } . > }The compiler would have caught that in Ada. > D > I seriously doubt that - how is the compiler supposed to know thatF > you don't actually want to set the asynch bit? Clearly it can't stopG > you from setting valid bits since if it did you wouldn't ever be ableaF > to set them and the Ada compiler would be worse than the C compiler.  5 Of course you can accidentally set bit FOO by typing:t   	FAB.whatever.FOO := TRUE;   when you meant:e   	FAB.whatever.FEE := TRUE;  @ but you cannot get there by OR-ing in arbitrary masks, presuming, you use the regular Starlet package for Ada.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:29:59 GMTa0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)4 Subject: Re: Strange status returned by sys$create()8 Message-ID: <3c9a17f2.841955267@proxy.news.easynews.com>  B On 20 Mar 2002 14:18:45 -0800, glenmark@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Glen Martin) wrote:  B >For some reason, my calls to sys$create are returning a status ofF >-32759 (%xFFFF8009), which as far as I can tell doesn't correspond toG >any of the defined RMS return values. Any clues what this means (or am3G >I again overlooking something incredibly obvious)? (relevant code snipa	 >follows)D >-
 ><begin snip>  >struct FAB logfab;. >struct RAB lograb;> >  >short int status;   [snip]  C This is your problem.  short int gives you a 16-bit signed integer. A VMS return values are 32-bit integers.  What you're seeing is the ? value 0x8009 being interpreted as a 16-bit signed integer.  Thea8 actual 32-bit value was most likely 0x00018009, which is: RMS$_PENDING.  Declare status as int rather than short int= (better yet, use unsigned int) and your program will be much h happier.  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:41:44 -0800c. From: JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.nospam.com>' Subject: System software status utility / Message-ID: <3C97BEA8.FA81075F@lmco.nospam.com>o  F Does anyone know of an existing utility that can tell me if a computerG on the network has all its software up and running?  Hardware utilitieseH abound to determine if computers are up, disks, routers, etc are online,5 but I'm not aware of any like product for software.  v   Are any out there?   TIA,  
 Jeff Klopotico   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:31:14 -0500  From: William_Bochnik@acml.com+ Subject: Re: System software status utilitys> Message-ID: <OF8BF7E0D2.0E9978C8-ON85256B83.005A9A79@acml.com>  9 Way too vague a problem, with way too many choices.  Eachs@ application probably has it's own requirements for what is meant= by "up" - connect to an IP port, connect to a decnet port, is = there a process called "ABC" running, is there a queue calleds> "XYZ" running, etc etc etc.  You'll probably have to roll your own for each application.l      d                                                                                                     d                       JMK                                                                           d                       <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.                To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com           d                       nospam.com>                              cc:                                  d                                                         Subject: System software status utility     d                       03/19/2002 05:41 PM                                                           d                       Please respond to JMK                                                         d                       <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.                                                     d                       nospam.com>                                                                   d                                                                                                     d                                                                                                           = Does anyone know of an existing utility that can tell me if ac computer= on the network has all its software up and running?  Hardware 	 utilitiesn@ abound to determine if computers are up, disks, routers, etc are online,i3 but I'm not aware of any like product for software.o   Are any out there?   TIA,  
 Jeff Klopotich          F ______________________________________________________________________;  The information contained in this transmission may containo@ privileged and confidential information and is intended only forA the use of the person(s) name above.  If you are not the intendedg= recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering>3 this message to the intended recipient, any review,i@ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication? is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient,rA please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy?# all copies of the original message.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:45:37 +0000y  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com+ Subject: Re: System software status utilitya: Message-ID: <OFE486B6C0.69156F79-ON00256B83.005BFDCE@btyp>  B Have you looked at a tool like Robomon or similar? Will check that processes are running, etc.    Steve S         B JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.nospam.com> on 03/19/2002 10:41:44 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:tI From:      JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.nospam.com>, 19 March 2002, 10:41-            p.m.-   System software status utility    F Does anyone know of an existing utility that can tell me if a computerG on the network has all its software up and running?  Hardware utilitiesgH abound to determine if computers are up, disks, routers, etc are online,3 but I'm not aware of any like product for software.e   Are any out there?   TIA,  
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 do you want.     Regards    FC :    3 --- JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.nospam.com> wrote:o2 > Does anyone know of an existing utility that can > tell me if a computer86 > on the network has all its software up and running?  > Hardware utilities1 > abound to determine if computers are up, disks,e > routers, etc are online,6 > but I'm not aware of any like product for software.  >  >  > Are any out there? >  > TIA, >  > Jeff Klopotic.     =====l ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazila fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?4 Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards http://movies.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:23:15 -0500@* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>$ Subject: RE: Talk about downtime....- Message-ID: <0033000057191377000002L072*@MHS>-  8 =0AThe last paragraph of your post succinctly states why3 purchasing DECmove services is money well spent for 5 system moves that involve any hardware that cannot beR  carried by one person alone. :^)  9 I've used DECmove before, expect to use it again and have4 never, ever regretted it.L   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETd' Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:00 PMtB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET$ Subject: RE: Talk about downtime....    3 "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> wrote in messageeH news:<_P%l8.75148$af7.49868@rwcrnsc53>... > Weren't the movers insured = for anyg' damage they might have caused? It would H > seem that if the machine was working before the move and there was da= mage7 > that required repair afterward, they would be liable.s  E One would think so.  The difficult part is proving the movers did it,,F if they're not willing to admit to anything.  Basically, if there's noE obvious external evidence of an accident at the time the equipment is D received and signed for, it becomes very hard to prove how and where it got damaged.e  F As it turned out, the poor customer employee who had been told to swapF a memory board in that system for one of another size at the same timeC as the move (since the system was going to be down anyway), got thebB blame dumped on him for warping the backplane and got a reprimand,F even though it was probably physically impossible for him to have doneB that amount of damage simply inserting or removing a single board,C something he'd had to do many times before during the earlier years( when they did self-maintenance.f  F My point was that with a DECmove, DEC folks (or their sub-contractors)= would have been doing all the work, and there wouldn't be anyiB finger-pointing possible if something went wrong; DEC would simply have had to fix it.g. ----------------------------------------------/ Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org=r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:53:06 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>1$ Subject: Re: Talk about downtime...., Message-ID: <3C99E5BA.44C2B9D6@videotron.ca>   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:$ > 7 > The last paragraph of your post succinctly states whyn5 > purchasing DECmove services is money well spent foro7 > system moves that involve any hardware that cannot beu" > carried by one person alone. :^)  I When I implemented a disaster recovery plan, one of the 2 vaxes had to be I moved to the other building. I don't think that the local DEC office knewsK about DECmove. They just sent their technician to help us with the move. We L had done all the site preparation at both ends. I *think* that they used theK Digital minivan to carry it (it was a Microvax 3600, with an RF drive smalltM cabinet.) Once the box was out of the computer room, I tidied things up, then.J walked the 15 minutes to the other building. They rolled it in,plugged the# power, ethernet and OPA0 and voila.%  N We had done all the planning and site preparation, as well as installing stuffJ like decservers, ethernet, swift lines before, so on that saturday, it wasK really just a hardware move. (I had had the 2 machines at one site to setup # all the clustering, shadowing etc).i  L There was no downtime for the move since the production vax kept huffing andR puffing (although a shutdown would have been permissible since it was a saturday).  K NOTE: the L5-30R plus that is under the VAX is not necessarily the one thathN feeds the VAX. I had begun to twist it when I (thankfully) looked at the cableN and noticed that it was leading towards the big TANDEM that ran the POS/credit: card stuff.... Our plug was in fact under the Tandem !!!!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:54:53 +1030 % From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>rM Subject: Re: TCPIP, sharing sockets via $QIO (programming, long and detailed)R* Message-ID: <3C9998D5.91D090EC@vsm.com.au>   Hi Mark, others ...l   I loaded up MGD.EXE on ...  K     Process Software MultiNet V4.4 Rev A, COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 666 MHz,>     OpenVMS AXP V7.3  I and started it in three windows.  I then fired up ApacheBench on the samenN machine and also on a pair of VAXes on the same network, using these commands:  .    VAX-1> ab -c 96 -n 10000 http://DS20E:5060//    VAX-2> ab -c 115 -n 10000 http://DS20E:5060/ /    DS20E> ab -c 220 -n 10000 http://DS20E:5060/s  M i.e. three ApacheBenches running at once.  The "-c" values were restricted byuD CHANNELCNT and BYTLM on each machine,  but I figured that up to 400+/ concurrent connections should be a useful test.o  9 Each AB session completed in due course, and the MULTINETtJ SHOW/CONNECTIONS/CONTINUOUS display also quiesced down to "normal" shortly thereafter.e  J Mark, if you'd like to come around to the office some time I'd be happy toI play with it some more with you here to make suggestions.  But so far, itt< would appear that MultiNet handles the load better than UCX.   Mark Daniel wrote: >  > Mark Daniel wrote:< > > Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1-150 > > on a DEC 3000 Model 300 running OpenVMS V7.3 > >tD > > I have an application where I would like two (and more) detachedK > > processes to share a socket, in particular both to listen and accept onhH > > that socket and share the incoming connections.  Note: this is *not*= > > parent-child, it's peer.  Both processes are independent.0 > > I > > The TCP/IP socket sharing bit is not particularly well documented andeH > > more implies that it can be done rather than stating it.  Anyway, byK > > experiment I established that it was possible and the incoming requeststK > > are shared in a round-robin fashion.  Works fine - except under extremetH > > load, when eventually the backlog queue length grows and connectionsF > > stop being accepted (established using a TCPIP> SHOW DEVICE bgnnnn > > /CONTINUOUS).e > 8< snip 8<J > > The C code is non-trivial so fully posting it here (or to CSC for thatC > > matter) is not really an option.  I hope this precis is enough.u > 8< snip 8< > H > I have placed a short(ish), self-contained piece of code that reliablyI > reproduces this issue, at least for the environments listed in the code H > description.  If anyone wants to play with this and report the resultsL > back to me (or this forum) I'll add them, attributed, to said description. > & >    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/mgd.c   -- o         Jeremy Beggt  =   +---------------------------------------------------------+u=   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              |o=   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  | =   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        |e=   |---------------------------------------------------------|y=   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |e=   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |a=   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |a=   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    | =   +---------------------------------------------------------+.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:59:09 +0100w, From: Georgi Kozinakov <kozinakov@mt.net.mk>$ Subject: TELNET settings, other port) Message-ID: <3C99E72D.110A643B@mt.net.mk>s  F I have problem to set  telnet service (Compaq tcpip services v5.1, VAX VMS 7.2.1).  After:* $ tcpip set config enable noservice telnet $ tcpip disable service telnet% $ tcpip set noservice telnet /port=23i8 $ tcpip set service telnet /port=4023 /inact=1 /limit=50  = tcpip forces me to enter /PROCESS=... /FILE=... and /USER=...i  C before there was not data for this last three switches when I typeds! $ tcpip show service telnet /fullo  7 I don't know what to type  for process file and user...uB I tried some files tcpip$telnet for proces; created account in uaf tcpip$telnetB and put empty telnet.com startup file but now telnet client dosn't connect to VAX telnet server.  	 Any idea?R   Georgi    B 'm pretty sure that there is a problem with /USER= AND /FILE=  AND (maybe) with< /PROCESS= switches at the $ TCPIP SET SERVICE TELNET command> I remember when I've first installed tcpip v5.0 the users like tcpip$ftp, rexec, pop etcFF (but *not* tcpip$telnet) were created in the uaf automatically. Anyway
 the telnetD server worked fine (with port #23) without any proces, file and user set.1 There were not set also file and proces switches. B Why now it asks me to type /user /file /proces when I want only to change /port=4023h@ (or whatever ... /port=7023 etc, like wasd http has port 7080) ?   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Mar 2002 06:16:50 -08001 From: asytnyk@mcscns.cc.telcordia.com (A. Sytnyk);8 Subject: Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node= Message-ID: <89b6afcc.0203210616.7c49f9a5@posting.google.com>-  \ Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> wrote in message news:<3C98FBFB.FCDB4636@free.fr>... > easy:l > O > Either you (or someone else) has changed the protection (or the owner) of thefK > sylogin.com, or of the SMTP account login.com, or deleted it, or moved orrQ > whatever action was recently performed on any .COM file triggered when the SMTPr > server starts. > N > I had this bug. The Status = %CLI-E-NOCMDPROC message means that the processK > cannot start any of the mandatory command procedures it needs to execute.I > > > Check and come back here in case my memory is decreasing :-) >  > D.   Thanks for your quick reply...  F I investigated SYLOGIN.COM and found that the protection was the same,0 the file not modified in at least 3 years but...  D A disk that was supposed to be there - Mounted and functioning is noD longer there so the SYLOGIN.COM would bomb out! and would not get to the next command procedure -0 SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_SMTP}UCX$SMTP_RECV_STARTUP.COM   Keep on VAXing!!!i   cheers,h AS   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:39:07 +0100a- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr>a8 Subject: Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node' Message-ID: <3C9A1ABB.617F4C93@free.fr>y  S tss tss tss... ALL DCL command procedures executed by the system should start with:9  
 $ set noon  " in case there is no error handler. (ppo)e   We aim to please.c   D.    (PPO = Pure personal Opinion :-)   "A. Sytnyk" wrote: > ^ > Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> wrote in message news:<3C98FBFB.FCDB4636@free.fr>...	 > > easy:u > > Q > > Either you (or someone else) has changed the protection (or the owner) of thefM > > sylogin.com, or of the SMTP account login.com, or deleted it, or moved or S > > whatever action was recently performed on any .COM file triggered when the SMTP  > > server starts. > >EP > > I had this bug. The Status = %CLI-E-NOCMDPROC message means that the processM > > cannot start any of the mandatory command procedures it needs to execute.a > >y@ > > Check and come back here in case my memory is decreasing :-) > >r > > D. >   > Thanks for your quick reply... > H > I investigated SYLOGIN.COM and found that the protection was the same,2 > the file not modified in at least 3 years but... > F > A disk that was supposed to be there - Mounted and functioning is noF > longer there so the SYLOGIN.COM would bomb out! and would not get to > the next command procedure -2 > SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_SMTP}UCX$SMTP_RECV_STARTUP.COM >  > Keep on VAXing!!!M > 	 > cheers,  > AS   --  H   ----------------------------------------------------------------------H MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlH Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670H 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418  H Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseH On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:15:34 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)8 Subject: Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node3 Message-ID: <arpm8.1327$fL6.26516@news.cpqcorp.net>   ( In article <3C9A1ABB.617F4C93@free.fr>, / Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> writes: I >... ALL DCL command procedures executed by the system should start with:t >n >$ set noonc  @ Generally speaking, gneralizations are generally wrong.  <smile>  / More to the point, one DISagrees with this one.s  K In the absence of specific error handling routines, I would prefer to have c1 a command procedure abort if it encouners errors.e  F But I also acknowledge that there are cases when continuing "no matter what" is appropriate behaviour.a   -- nK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAtH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:48:41 GMTn4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>8 Subject: Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node0 Message-ID: <3C9A29C1.7B4A316C@blueyonder.co.uk>   Didier Morandi wrote:o > U > tss tss tss... ALL DCL command procedures executed by the system should start with:  >  > $ set noon > $ > in case there is no error handler. > (ppo)R >  > We aim to please.  >  > D. > " > (PPO = Pure personal Opinion :-)  O Sure, but I prefer defensive programming in systartup_vms.com, sylogin.com etc  B (check for external comfile existence before attempting to executeR and issue an error message or take recovery action if F$SEARCH(comfile) .EQS. "") M rather than  SET NOON, which I have found dangerous and/or confusing in some 2 situations.    Again, PPO.    Regards,   >  > "A. Sytnyk" wrote: > >n` > > Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> wrote in message news:<3C98FBFB.FCDB4636@free.fr>... > > > easy:g > > >wS > > > Either you (or someone else) has changed the protection (or the owner) of thenO > > > sylogin.com, or of the SMTP account login.com, or deleted it, or moved or U > > > whatever action was recently performed on any .COM file triggered when the SMTP_ > > > server starts. > > >aR > > > I had this bug. The Status = %CLI-E-NOCMDPROC message means that the processO > > > cannot start any of the mandatory command procedures it needs to execute.  > > >dB > > > Check and come back here in case my memory is decreasing :-) > > >e > > > D. > >a" > > Thanks for your quick reply... > > J > > I investigated SYLOGIN.COM and found that the protection was the same,4 > > the file not modified in at least 3 years but... > >oH > > A disk that was supposed to be there - Mounted and functioning is noH > > longer there so the SYLOGIN.COM would bomb out! and would not get to  > > the next command procedure -4 > > SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX_SMTP}UCX$SMTP_RECV_STARTUP.COM > >u > > Keep on VAXing!!!  > >n > > cheers,h > > AS >  > --J >   ----------------------------------------------------------------------J > MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlJ > Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670J > 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 > J > Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseJ > On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   -- n tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk t  F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:50:21 -0500u' From: "mykrowyre" <mykrowyre@yahoo.com> * Subject: VAX/VMS emulator or free version?, Message-ID: <zhom8.1$je5.547@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  ; Is there a free opensource version or emulator for VAX/VMS?=   -tom   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:41:31 +0100i9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>_. Subject: Re: VAX/VMS emulator or free version?' Message-ID: <3C9A1B4B.1E683A87@aaa.com>h   Goto :  , http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.html.  	 Jan-Erik.-   mykrowyre wrote: > = > Is there a free opensource version or emulator for VAX/VMS?u >  > -tom   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:02:01 -0000*? From: "Malcolm MacArthur" <malcolmix@neverness.freeserve.co.uk>y. Subject: Re: VAX/VMS emulator or free version?/ Message-ID: <a7d70f$32k$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>a  2 "mykrowyre" <mykrowyre@yahoo.com> wrote in message& news:zhom8.1$je5.547@nnrp1.uunet.ca...= > Is there a free opensource version or emulator for VAX/VMS?i >a
 Almost ;-)  J A guy called Tim Stark has been working on a PDP-10 and VAX emulator. Last post I saw from him here, M he had just about got it to boot VMS. But it is still a work-in-progress. Seeu% http://sourceforge.net/projects/ts10.v  N However, there is a hobbyist version of the CHARON-VAX emulator available. SeeJ http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/hobbyist.html. Although this does not offer full functionality,e/ well... it's free. You get what you pay for ;-)a  < and also (because you will need VMS, or at least, licences):  ! http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/r   HTH,	 -Malcolm.v   > -tom >  >t >'   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:34:24 GMTx9 From: "Technophile" <technophile@river(nospam)side.bc.ca> . Subject: Re: VAX/VMS emulator or free version?; Message-ID: <QIpm8.137502$eb.6571565@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>     There is also this bold venture.  # http://freevms.free.fr/indexGB.htmlt  L It doesn't look like a very old project, so they appear to be doing well for just a short period of time.    2 "mykrowyre" <mykrowyre@yahoo.com> wrote in message& news:zhom8.1$je5.547@nnrp1.uunet.ca...= > Is there a free opensource version or emulator for VAX/VMS?n >f > -tom >p >i >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:00:26 +0100e- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr>m# Subject: WHERE IS THE COMPAQ DOC???h' Message-ID: <3C9A2DC9.1EA088E6@free.fr>a  ; http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000 does not work anymore...b   D. -- gH   ----------------------------------------------------------------------H MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlH Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670H 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418  H Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseH On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:57:20 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>n3 Subject: Re: Witch streamer supported vax-4000-90 ?p) Message-ID: <3C99AE81.9468E2F8@Omond.net>s   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > [...snip...]  < > INITIALIZE is not "format" and "format" is not INITIALIZE.  I > If that were the case, and VMS worked with QIC-80, Travan, etc. drives,hF > INITIALIZE would likely timeout long before the 3+ hours it takes to) > format a TR-1 or better tape cartridge.r >i9 > Did you ever try to INITIALIZE an unformatted diskette?. >n# > Try thinking of it in UN*X terms:o >I5 > (fd)format is not mkfs, and mkfs is not (fd)format.o >rD > INITIALIZE equates (a bit roughly) to UN*X-land "mkfs", or DOS/Win > "'quick' format".n >lF > QIC tapes have a "format" written on them similar to the soft sector; > marks on diskettes. This is unlike 9-track and DLT tapes.  >wC > To my knowledge, outside of low-level formatters included in someeE > MicroVAX console firmware, I am not aware of any VMS or VMS-relatedmJ > equivalents to the UN*X or DOS "format" ("long" format on DOS) commands,G > and certainly nothing equivalent to various proprietary products that ! > will format QIC tapes and such.A  A I'm not sure if it can deal with QIC tape formatting, but try outs! the RZTOOLS_Alpha.Exe in Sys$Etc:t  C I don't have any QIC drives to test it, but I see no obvious reasona@ to think that the Format command should not work on such a tape.  5 FWIW, I've formatted hundreds of disks using RZTools.,  	 Roy Omond1 Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.158 ************************