1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 24 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 164       Contents:< Another AntiSPAM DNSbl dies - ORBZ is gone (was Another RBL)@ Re: Another AntiSPAM DNSbl dies - ORBZ is gone (was Another RBL) Re: DCPI for VMS!  Re: Getting file date/time in C   Re: Hacker Using My Mail Server?  Re: Hacker Using My Mail Server?  Re: Hacker Using My Mail Server?  Re: Hacker Using My Mail Server?F Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinux Installing Star Receipt Printer # Re: Installing Star Receipt Printer # Re: Installing Star Receipt Printer 7 Re: Low Level format of SCSI Disc in VaxStation 4000VLC 7 Re: Low Level format of SCSI Disc in VaxStation 4000VLC 7 Re: Low Level format of SCSI Disc in VaxStation 4000VLC P No cracking contests on the WWW - was Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...8 Re: process priorities under v7.1-2, 7.2-1 Alpha servers Re: Right down the middle  Re: Right down the middle  Re: Right down the middle  Re: Right down the middle  Re: Right down the middle  Re: Right down the middle  Re: Right down the middle  RMS: removing a key 5 Re: Simple question: Can you repeat strings w/ F$FAO? 3 TelnetSym Print Queue Device Name.  IP or Internet?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2002 09:26:15 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Another AntiSPAM DNSbl dies - ORBZ is gone (was Another RBL) 3 Message-ID: <3jH9FRc6Xi3u@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3C9C2703.6070209@bluewin.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes: > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > H >> This is not completely off-topic in that if you use, or rather used, G >> ORBZ for DNS anti-spam support, they where forced to shutdown under  A >> duress of criminal charges and if your SMTP servers are still  H >> referencing them, your inbound e-mail with most likely be blocked as J >> ours have been for the base 36 hours; They shutdown on March 20, 2002. K >> Other DNS RBL's still exist, one of the larger ones that are still free  ) >> is ORDB or you make subscribe to MAPS.  >>  T > Pray tell, what does RBL stand for? It's the second time in 24 hours I've seen it.  D It stands for Realtime Blackhole List, which is a trademark of MAPS,& and the name for a list they maintain.  A The generic term is DNSbl, which covers not only the RBL but also ? SpamCop Blocking List (SCBL), the Spamhaus Blocking List (SBL),  SPEWS, etc.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2002 09:30:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) I Subject: Re: Another AntiSPAM DNSbl dies - ORBZ is gone (was Another RBL) 3 Message-ID: <g8NAGnbtr+wg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   E And of course the situation regarding the original issue has changed,  as described at:   	http://orbz.org/bcnew.txt  C The ORBZ main page says they hope to be back in business by Monday.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 11:06:20 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> Subject: Re: DCPI for VMS!) Message-ID: <3C9DA51C.1060108@bluewin.ch>    Paul Repacholi wrote:   , > Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes: >  > F >>You are not kidding. It took me quite a while to figure out what theC >>product has to offer, and I fear until I download it and use it I  >>will still not be sure...  >> > D > I have been after a VMS kit for DCPI for yonks... Looks like it is2 > STILL not available. T64 and billyspawn only. :( >  >   I Doesn't http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/dcpi/license.html  3 work? I am downloading as I bash at the keyboard...    --   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:37:06 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ( Subject: Re: Getting file date/time in C( Message-ID: <3C9DF2A1.BAA7929@gtech.com>  
 Joe wrote:] > Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message news:<3C9B5163.D0127677@gtech.com>...  > > C RTL : stat function > > > VMS   : RMS calls ($OPEN or $DISPLAY with appropriate XAB) > . > Not sure what's "behind" the stat( ) call...   I do not know either but: A   1) it takes a filename not a file pointer or file descriptor as  argumentF   2) the HELP says that neither R, W or X access to the file is needed   G > I believe that $DISPLAY must be preceeded by $OPEN (and that $OPEN is % > subject to RMS file level locking).   = Since it is not necesarry to touch a single byte in the file, : then it may be possible to get through  with an $OPEN with proper FAC and SHR options.   E BTW, the original poster explicit stated that the file was not open !    Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2002 09:07:30 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>) Subject: Re: Hacker Using My Mail Server? 6 Message-ID: <20020324090730.23703.qmail@gacracker.org>  > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote:   <snip>  , >Oh, the joys of being permanently online...  J Indeed, I forgot to set up SMTP rejection rules for Multinet and had to doH it whilst being used as an open relay a couple of weeks back. Of course,K when I reported the spamming SOB I got no response whatsoever from his ISP, H BT. Luckily I got it all closed down before anyone complained to my ISP.  F >I have been getting what, as far as I recall from the footprint, are I >nimda attacks. The IP addresses are there loud and clear in the logs. I  C >would be interested to hear what other folks are doing here. Just   >ignoring or reporting them?  K Yup, I still get those on a regular basis. I just ignore them. Nothing more D creative seems to come through in the web logs, and in fact the onlyK services people seem to attack are FTP and SMTP. Admittedly I have a lot of A failed login attempts, but most are timeouts once people read the  WELCOME.TXT.     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2002 09:12:53 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> ) Subject: Re: Hacker Using My Mail Server? 6 Message-ID: <20020324091253.23757.qmail@gacracker.org>  C On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:    <snip>  F >Then you can use that to block further spam runs and complain to the G >hosting ISP.  Several services on the wild wild web can trace an I.P.  # >address to the ISP(s) responsible.   H The services available at http://www.cotse.com are pretty comprehensive,# particularly the Visual Traceroute.      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 11:09:57 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>) Subject: Re: Hacker Using My Mail Server? ) Message-ID: <3C9DA5F5.3020504@bluewin.ch>    Rob Young wrote:  Z > In article <3C9BFC44.50403@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: > G >>When investigating spam attacks, you can not believe anything in the  / >>message headers about the source of the spam.  >>D >>I have not received any spam that claimed it came from an AOL.COM @ >>address that actually originated from AOL.  The same for spam  >>originating from HOTMAIL.  >>K >>Complaining to them seems to just get a form letter that the analysis of  6 >>the header indicates that it did not come from them. >> >> > ; > 	Good points.  I did examine headers, they were from AOL. 2 > 	If you read this account of spammers in action: > ! > http://belps.freewebsites.com/   > < > 	You can read how they harvest hundreds of "fish" with theF > 	tired old scam of:  "we are from security... send us your password"? > 	and go from there.  AOL continues to be a spammers paradise.  >  How depressing. When I was using good old CompuServe, they repeatedly told their users NOT to reveal passwords, even to genuine support staff.     Sigh.  __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:35:46 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)) Subject: Re: Hacker Using My Mail Server? ; Message-ID: <3c9de442.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   " Tom Linden (tom@kednos.com) wrote:@ > Thanks Michael.  I guess I need to update this (and Compaq too) > since this was in their sample file).     E I guess you'd need to update more than the RBL hosts. When I tried to   reply to your email, it bounced:  ) --HAB33355.1016952637/harzserver1.harz.de   J The original message was received at Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:50:32 +0100 (CET) from uucp@localhost   A    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----  tom@kednos.com  ,    ----- Transcript of session follows -----' ... while talking to freja.kednos.com.: 7 <<< 550 Your IP address is unbacktranslatable. SPAMMER! ) 554 tom@kednos.com... Service unavailable   ) --HAB33355.1016952637/harzserver1.harz.de % Content-Type: message/delivery-status   ' Reporting-MTA: dns; harzserver1.harz.de 3 Arrival-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:50:32 +0100 (CET)   ' Final-Recipient: X-UUCP; tom@kednos.com  Action: failed
 Status: 5.5.0 ! Remote-MTA: DNS; freja.kednos.com J Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Your IP address is unbacktranslatable. SPAMMER!8 Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:50:37 +0100 (CET)  ) --HAB33355.1016952637/harzserver1.harz.de  Content-Type: message/rfc822  ' Return-Path: <martin@radiogaga.harz.de>  Received: (from uucp@localhost) ; 	by harzserver1.harz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id HAA33355 : 	for tom@kednos.com; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:50:32 +0100 (CET)) 	(envelope-from martin@radiogaga.harz.de) 6 Received:  by radiogaga.harz.de (UUPC/extended 1.13f);*            Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:19:21 +0100$ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 7:19:18 +01002 From: Martin Vorlaender <martin@radiogaga.harz.de>) Subject: RE: Hacker Using My Mail Server?  To: tom@kednos.com (Tom Linden) : In-Reply-To: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEJIEGAA.tom@kednos.com>)  from "Tom Linden" at Mar 24 2002 5:00 am ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 9 Message-ID: <3c9d6fe9.martin.radiogaga@radiogaga.harz.de>    ...   + --HAB33355.1016952637/harzserver1.harz.de--   F I've no idea which IP address the mail server system is barking about.   cu,    Martin --  A                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer . Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:04:43 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>O Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinux ) Message-ID: <3C9C371B.6050601@bluewin.ch>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  ? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3C9B7B30.AC2E7903@videotron.ca>...  >  >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>L >>>isn't something to write home about either.  You want something ready for" >>>the enterprise today - use VMS. >>> M >>But Mr Fred, your superiors keep telling the media that wintel servers rule L >>the enterprise. If windows crap is ready for the enterprise, Shirley Linux >>would be too.  >> > L > It may be popular to use "Wintel" but it is imprecise.  Obviously, WindowsM > rules everything.  It has nothing to do with quality.  Nearly everyone uses  > it after all.  > P I had to laugh at yesterday's article at http://www.theinquirer.net/22030204.htm    E "Although we haven't done the exact sums... if our sums are right..."   F A handy disclaimer, if those sums were done in Excel on a Pentium :-)  :-) :-) :-)      __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2002 05:09:34 -0800' From: jnez367@yahoo.com (Jerry Nezlick) ( Subject: Installing Star Receipt Printer= Message-ID: <4f27336e.0203240509.4877c5cb@posting.google.com>   E Can anyone give me some advice on installing a Star printer connected  toF a VT420 printer?  I had to change terminals and the printer now prints2 gibberish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:50:56 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> , Subject: Re: Installing Star Receipt Printer( Message-ID: <3C9DE9A1.70805@qsl.network>   Jerry Nezlick wrote:G > Can anyone give me some advice on installing a Star printer connected K > to a VT420 printer?  I had to change terminals and the printer now prints 4 > gibberish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  ( I assume that you mean a VT420 terminal.  H 1. Verify the baud rate, and parity of the printer port on the terminal  and on the printer.   @ 2. Make sure that both are using the same flow control protocol.    3. Verify the wiring is correct.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:51:20 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> , Subject: Re: Installing Star Receipt Printer< Message-ID: <howard-408F0F.09512024032002@enews.newsguy.com>  = In article <4f27336e.0203240509.4877c5cb@posting.google.com>, )  jnez367@yahoo.com (Jerry Nezlick) wrote:   6 > I had to change terminals and the printer now prints4 > gibberish.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  1 What kind of terminal was it hooked up to before?    --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"' Aren't there any networked SJFs around?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:26:40 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> @ Subject: Re: Low Level format of SCSI Disc in VaxStation 4000VLC' Message-ID: <3C9E0E87.2EA00CE0@fsi.net>    Michael Austin wrote:  >  > Ralph Kloess wrote:  > >  > > Hello All, > > I > > I just got ahold of a VS4000-VLC and after finally finding a harddisc A > > and a CD-Rom drive, the Standalone Backup complains about the  > > filestructure on the disc. > > G > > I recal there is a command to low-level format the disc, so VMS can @ > > use it. But for the life of me I can't remember the command. > > + > > Is Somebodies memory better than mine??  > > I > > BTW the disc is a Seagate ST32151N and the CD-Rom is a Plextor drive.  > >  > > thanks,  > >  > > Ralph Kloess > D > On the VAX VLC, there is a >>> T70 at the console prompt that willJ > format a disk. INITIALIZE cannot work until the drive has been FORMATTED > for the VAX.  C Um, I'm not real sure about that. Remember, we're talking LOW LEVEL D format here - the one that would be required before *ANY* o.s.'s I/O= primitives could consider the disc valid for use. There is no ; "VAX-specific" or "VMS-specific" format (below ODS), AFAIK.   C Of course, if the low-level format has been damaged (by degaussing, ? stray magnetic fields, etc.) then yes, the disc will need to be  low-level formatted.  G The question in  my mind comes from the Seagate model number: ST32151N. E That should be a 3-inch form factor, 2151MB (formatted) capacity disk B with a narrow SCSI interface. O.s. filesystem overhead may further$ reduce usable (formatted) capacity.   > See http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/discmodelinter.html  8 Can the VLC firmware deal with a disc of that capacity?   F Perhaps someone more in-the-know can speak to that. I've seen problemsG attempting to boot a VLC from a Barracuda ST15150N, but I've also heard D that this should not happen. I have three VLCs here, but the biggestE SCSI disk I have in-house is in my Wintel PC (Seagate 4.5GB), and I'm H not about to scratch that just to test this. So, I'm out of resources at this point.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:51:48 -0500 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> @ Subject: Re: Low Level format of SCSI Disc in VaxStation 4000VLC2 Message-ID: <3C9E1233.327E9893@firstdbasource.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Michael Austin wrote:  > >  > > Ralph Kloess wrote:r > > >o > > > Hello All, > > > K > > > I just got ahold of a VS4000-VLC and after finally finding a harddisceC > > > and a CD-Rom drive, the Standalone Backup complains about theC  > > > filestructure on the disc. > > >iI > > > I recal there is a command to low-level format the disc, so VMS caneB > > > use it. But for the life of me I can't remember the command. > > >v- > > > Is Somebodies memory better than mine??l > > >LK > > > BTW the disc is a Seagate ST32151N and the CD-Rom is a Plextor drive.  > > >t
 > > > thanks,e > > >n > > > Ralph Kloess > >tF > > On the VAX VLC, there is a >>> T70 at the console prompt that willL > > format a disk. INITIALIZE cannot work until the drive has been FORMATTED > > for the VAX. > E > Um, I'm not real sure about that. Remember, we're talking LOW LEVELeF > format here - the one that would be required before *ANY* o.s.'s I/O? > primitives could consider the disc valid for use. There is noo= > "VAX-specific" or "VMS-specific" format (below ODS), AFAIK.-     Are you sure about that :)       > E > Of course, if the low-level format has been damaged (by degaussing,iA > stray magnetic fields, etc.) then yes, the disc will need to bee > low-level formatted. > I > The question in  my mind comes from the Seagate model number: ST32151N. G > That should be a 3-inch form factor, 2151MB (formatted) capacity disk-D > with a narrow SCSI interface. O.s. filesystem overhead may further% > reduce usable (formatted) capacity.i > @ > See http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/discmodelinter.html > 9 > Can the VLC firmware deal with a disc of that capacity?X > H > Perhaps someone more in-the-know can speak to that. I've seen problemsI > attempting to boot a VLC from a Barracuda ST15150N, but I've also heard>F > that this should not happen. I have three VLCs here, but the biggestG > SCSI disk I have in-house is in my Wintel PC (Seagate 4.5GB), and I'm J > not about to scratch that just to test this. So, I'm out of resources at
 > this point.u >  > -- > David J. Dachteral > dba DJE Systems> > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   E This IS the low-level formatter for VAX's.  Before you can INITIALIZEeH the disk you must first format it.  On the MVII this was accomplished by@ Field Service with a TK50 "diagnostic" tape that included a diskB formatter.  This formatter was included in the console code of theH MV2000/MV3100 and later.  The INITIALIZE would fail if the drive had not first been formatted.s  D BTW, when I was a field engineer, loading the formatter was the ONLYE reason I ever used the diagnostics on the MV series.  I generally leteG VMS tell what was wrong with the system.  My success rate at fixing thesE problem the first time (as opposed to the symptom) was ~98% -- hey noc body was perfect :)      Ex-Field Service 1984-1990G Ex-Field Software Support 1990-1994 then traded to Oracle (and I didn'tg know I was a free agent :) )   --   Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163-7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)j 704-236-4377 (Mobile)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:11:03 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> @ Subject: Re: Low Level format of SCSI Disc in VaxStation 4000VLC' Message-ID: <3C9E18E9.20D1E7BD@fsi.net>u   Michael Austin wrote:e >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >> > > Michael Austin wrote:  > > >  > > > Ralph Kloess wrote:  > > > >s > > > > Hello All, > > > >aM > > > > I just got ahold of a VS4000-VLC and after finally finding a harddisc/E > > > > and a CD-Rom drive, the Standalone Backup complains about thee" > > > > filestructure on the disc. > > > >nK > > > > I recal there is a command to low-level format the disc, so VMS can D > > > > use it. But for the life of me I can't remember the command. > > > >G/ > > > > Is Somebodies memory better than mine??. > > > >tM > > > > BTW the disc is a Seagate ST32151N and the CD-Rom is a Plextor drive.  > > > >B > > > > thanks,c > > > >  > > > > Ralph Kloess > > > H > > > On the VAX VLC, there is a >>> T70 at the console prompt that willN > > > format a disk. INITIALIZE cannot work until the drive has been FORMATTED > > > for the VAX. > >lG > > Um, I'm not real sure about that. Remember, we're talking LOW LEVELeH > > format here - the one that would be required before *ANY* o.s.'s I/OA > > primitives could consider the disc valid for use. There is no ? > > "VAX-specific" or "VMS-specific" format (below ODS), AFAIK.y >  > Are you sure about that :)  D Well, I've taken SCSI disks (2GB or less) known to have been used onD DOS, DOS/Win and NT machines and plugged them into various Alpha and@ MicroVAX machines running VMS and was able to INITIALIZE without@ reformatting. (Booting VMS from them would be another question.)  B So, yes, based on my own experiences, I'm reasonably sure that the3 low-level format is o.s. transparent, but not 100%.2   -- u David J. Dachtera@ dba DJE Systems: http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:44:41 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>rY Subject: No cracking contests on the WWW - was Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...c* Message-ID: <3C9DE82A.6010803@qsl.network>   Doc.Cypher wrote:t  I > Indeed it is, there is a lot of advertising mileage in going up againstPM > over 4000 hackers and surviving everything they can throw at you. Why can'te > VMS Marketing see that?n  E OpenVMS was represented by only one system, and it did not fall to a   technological attack.   D One competitor's system also survived, but others running that same  operating system did not.e  I Nothing is infallible, and social engineering, being both the cheaper andaF more effective ways of breaking into a system is still a risk that theG computer owner must deal with, regardless of what platform they are on.e  E I will note that the other system owner does not seem to be bragging .* that *ONE* of their systems survived also. > D >>Oh, Doc, btw you may or may not be aware that an offical security G >>challenge as you propose has been suggested at a high level to Compaqs >>and rejected.0 >> > , > Did they give any reason for rejecting it?  L Such a contest can no longer be conducted on the Wild Wild Web.  It tends toG draw denial of service attacks, and most commercial connections charge v by theK ammount of bandwidth.  Advertising a hacking contest on a machine may allowsG an ISP to charge the advertiser with the actual costs incurred by them e from the resulting overload.a  D Now for most of us, the threat of someone technologically attacking  their OpenVMS system is small.  F But for all systems, the primary threat to the system is accidents by E users especially privileged ones.  Securing your system against that aG will not only bring you the best results, and will frustrate a cracker.r  H The same is true that you should always have a way to quickly rebuild / E replace a system that has fallen to a hardware failure.  This is the wF same recovery that you need to use when you are in the unlikely event & that your system has been compromised.  I So while it seems good to be hacker proof, your first priority should be  H to make it oops proof.  Including being able to positively identify who 
 made changes.    -Johnn wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyt   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:31:43 +0100d( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...y' Message-ID: <3C9D80DF.10405@bluewin.ch>o   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  & > Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ... > C >>In article <20020322085942.27771.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypherd >>- > <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:r > A >>>On 21 Mar 2002, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:i >>> E >>>>In article <20020321204945.10274.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypherl/ >>>><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:t >>>>? >>>>>On 21 Mar 2002, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote:- >>>>>-7 >>>>>>Paul Winalski (prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com) wrote:0L >>>>>>: It's not really that VMS is unhackable--it's more that it representsH >>>>>>: such a miiniscule part of the overall computer marketplace these3 >>>>>>: days that nobody bothers to try to hack it.h >>>>>>:a >>>>>>8 >>>>>>The best hackers in the country tried to hack VMS: >>>>>>1 >>>>>> http://www.pointsecure.com/Defconwhite.pdfe& >>>>>> "Virtually Unhackable" DEFCON9: >>>>>>L >>>>>Compaq seems quite keen on having the "secure" tag attached to VMS with >>>>>g > webs > K >>>>>servers and browsers, shouldn't they have a system up and running with  >>>>>- > an > E >>>>>open challenge to hack it and a prize for doing so? It certainly  >>>>>T
 > wouldn't > I >>>>>be expensive to set up such a challenge. Such would also gather someI >>>>>s > free > ( >>>>>publicity for the operating system. >>>>>v >>>>They had that at DEFcon. >>>>5 >>>Yes, but it wasn't an official Compaq team was it?e >>>aI >>>Apparently Sun felt it was important enough to run their own team, but H >>>Compaq just continue to demonstrate an uncaring attitude towards VMS. >>> C >>I doubt that corporate backing impresses the DEFCON constituency.c >> > M > It also woke up a lot of people.  It would not suprise me to see it be donen > officially next time.1 > 7Glad to hear that. FWIW, something like a year ago I got sick of the complacency showed here about VMS being secure, so I set about attacking it from my Linux box. I am pleased to say that I didn't succeed, but it was a worthwhile exercise. The main conclusion out of that exercise was to lengthen my passwords.a    G Oh, I cannot resist this piece of advice: All the attacks I have seen,  I from my webserver logs to running SAINT (www.wwdsi.com/saint ) which are mE targeted at Windows tend to look for c:\winnt (the default for an NT nH installation). Put it on another drive / give the directory a different C name, and you have defeated loads of the script kiddies already.:-)2     __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:43:10 +0100r( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ... ' Message-ID: <3C9D838E.50801@bluewin.ch>    jlsue wrote:  1 > On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:44:17 +1100, "Dale King"V! > <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote:n >  > 8 >>"Rob Buxton" <rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz> wrote in message, >>news:3c9a7a1b.71938081@news.wcc.govt.nz... >>G >>>No, it's part of the NAS license. Most or maybe even all Alphas come-H >>>with a NAS license now. For some older systems these were additional,G >>>but all of our old VAXes and Alphas seem to have some flavour of NASo >>>license.i >>> N >>As I said, a TCPIP license does not come with VMS.  You end up paying for itR >>separately to the OS whatever spin you put on it.  Then if you want SSH you haveH >>to buy ANOTHER IP stack if even if you've ended up with a NAS license. >> >> > F > What a bunch of crap.  You pay for it with other OSs just as much asE > with VMS.  Just because it's a "hidden" cost doesn't mean it doesn'w > exist. > 3 > Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqt/ > (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)  >   E And I recall the time (1995?) when M$ was thinking the www was going  C nowhere, but having newly discovered TCP/IP they wanted to license aH TCP/IP per session.The TCP/IP community told them in no uncertain terms & to get knotted, and M$ had to give in. __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2002 08:25:57 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...M6 Message-ID: <20020324082557.22755.qmail@gacracker.org>  J On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >Larry Kilgallen wrote:o >> cD >> In article <20020322085942.27771.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher. >> <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:C >> > On 21 Mar 2002, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:rF >> >>In article <20020321204945.10274.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher0 >> >><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:A >> >>> On 21 Mar 2002, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote:e8 >> >>>>Paul Winalski (prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com) wrote:M >> >>>>: It's not really that VMS is unhackable--it's more that it represents I >> >>>>: such a miiniscule part of the overall computer marketplace these 4 >> >>>>: days that nobody bothers to try to hack it. >> >>>>: >> >>>>o9 >> >>>>The best hackers in the country tried to hack VMS:r >> >>>>e3 >> >>>>  http://www.pointsecure.com/Defconwhite.pdf ( >> >>>>  "Virtually Unhackable" DEFCON9: >> >>>I >> >>> Compaq seems quite keen on having the "secure" tag attached to VMSn >> >>> with webOP >> >>> servers and browsers, shouldn't they have a system up and running with anP >> >>> open challenge to hack it and a prize for doing so? It certainly wouldn'tK >> >>> be expensive to set up such a challenge. Such would also gather some ' >> >>> free publicity for the operatingp >> >>> system. > >> >>e >> >>They had that at DEFcon.w >> >7 >> > Yes, but it wasn't an official Compaq team was it?s >> >K >> > Apparently Sun felt it was important enough to run their own team, but J >> > Compaq just continue to demonstrate an uncaring attitude towards VMS. >> uD >> I doubt that corporate backing impresses the DEFCON constituency. >uD >Is that the real issue, though, Larry? The community the "stunt" is9 >intended to impress is potential customers, not hackers.   G Indeed it is, there is a lot of advertising mileage in going up against-K over 4000 hackers and surviving everything they can throw at you. Why can'ts VMS Marketing see that?   C >Oh, Doc, btw you may or may not be aware that an offical security iF >challenge as you propose has been suggested at a high level to Compaq >and rejected.  * Did they give any reason for rejecting it?  F I was aware from OPCOM that it had been proposed to VMS marketing, andJ Fred's post suggested there might be an official team for DefCon 10. So isJ this a case of grassroots support for the proposal but management quashing; it? (I hate to get into those sort of conspiracy theories).   J I guess I'll just have to leave my open invitation to VMS Hackers up on myK website :-) I can't afford to offer a prize which seems to keep the hackersnH from bothering about the system, but as has been pointed out to me thereI are a lot of high-profile VMS sites such as lotteries and stock exchangesr( which should get the hackers interested.     Doc. -- l6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:00:04 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...T' Message-ID: <3C9DFA3C.5A6D604E@fsi.net>c   Paul Sture wrote:d >  > jlsue wrote: > 3 > > On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:44:17 +1100, "Dale King"f# > > <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote:a > >  > >e: > >>"Rob Buxton" <rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz> wrote in message. > >>news:3c9a7a1b.71938081@news.wcc.govt.nz... > >>I > >>>No, it's part of the NAS license. Most or maybe even all Alphas comebJ > >>>with a NAS license now. For some older systems these were additional,I > >>>but all of our old VAXes and Alphas seem to have some flavour of NASC
 > >>>license.i > >>> P > >>As I said, a TCPIP license does not come with VMS.  You end up paying for itT > >>separately to the OS whatever spin you put on it.  Then if you want SSH you haveJ > >>to buy ANOTHER IP stack if even if you've ended up with a NAS license. > >> > >> > >eH > > What a bunch of crap.  You pay for it with other OSs just as much asG > > with VMS.  Just because it's a "hidden" cost doesn't mean it doesn' 
 > > exist. > >L5 > > Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq-1 > > (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)d > >a > F > And I recall the time (1995?) when M$ was thinking the www was goingD > nowhere, but having newly discovered TCP/IP they wanted to licenseI > TCP/IP per session.The TCP/IP community told them in no uncertain termst( > to get knotted, and M$ had to give in.  < ...and it took 'em this long to come up with XP ("pay as go"$ WhineBloze). Bloodsucking leeches...   -- a David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:01:12 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>A Subject: Re: process priorities under v7.1-2, 7.2-1 Alpha servers ) Message-ID: <3C9D87C8.7040300@bluewin.ch>L   Richard Brodie wrote:   > > "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> wrote in message1 > news:rlEm8.12416$zZ5.259681@news.kpnqwest.fi...e >  > ) >>>Isn't 32 the maximum prioroty in VMS ?f >>>A >>No, on Alpha it's 63.v >> > - > Are you sure? That's not what the docs say.  >  >    $ set proc/prior=64i< %SET-E-INVQUAVAL, value '64' invalid for /PRIORITY qualifier $ set proc/prior=63s	 $ sh proco  G 24-MAR-2002 08:59:27.35   User: FRED             Process ID:   20200257eG                           Node: ALPHA2           Process name: "_FTA7:"h   Terminal:           FTA7:f User Identifier:    [FRED] Base priority:      63& Default file spec:  APACHE$ROOT:[LOGS] Number of Kthreads: 1     Devices allocated:  ALPHA2$FTA7:   Soft CPU Affinity: off     __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandd   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:43:46 +0100e( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>" Subject: Re: Right down the middle) Message-ID: <3C9D91C2.9060500@bluewin.ch>t   Terry C. Shannon wrote:   5 > "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in message ( > news:3C9CACD5.7010702@gregcagle.com... >  >>Terry C. Shannon wrote:b >> >>F >>>I've seen this sort of thing happen time and time and time again at >>>'	 > Compaq,b > K >>>and DEC before it. Perhaps some good will come of the acquisition, as HPu4 >>>appears to know a little bit about marketing. ;-} >>>p( >>You mean the "cold, dead fish" people? >> > $ > Oh, I won't rise to that bait. ;-} > ) > In the New HP, it'll be called "sushi."e > H > If you jump into the Wayback Machine and recall HP's response to CPQ'sL > acquisition of DEC, you may recall an interesting variation on the DigitalN > "Bricks" theme. What's more, HP did a better job in a recent ad articulating: > Compaq's strengths than Compaq itself has managed to do! >   : Oh, and see http://www.votethehpway.com/media/brochure.pdf    ! Pages 10-11 are very interesting.t   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:20:43 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>" Subject: Re: Right down the middle) Message-ID: <3C9D8C5B.3040306@bluewin.ch>y   JF Mezei wrote:e   > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > F >>If I start buying a product, the chances are better than 60% it willD >>soon disappear from the store shelves (too bad WhineBloze beat the	 >>odds!).  >> > O > You're not alone. I am like that too. Invested in PSION and VMS skills. PSION 6 > is gone from PDA. VMS is , well nobody really knows. > J > What is the point in developping new skills when you know that they will= > become useless as soon as you get respoectable experience ?R >   I I can say the same about NT. I invested in it heavily in 1997, simply to 1K find that the marketplace didn't really want someone with that skill level.   ? Headhunter: "OK, the pay isn't much, but you get a company car" F Me: "Don't need a company car, and the tax system is making them less  attractive every day"l Headhunter: "But it's a Ford" : Me: "Sorry, I've already got 2 cars. I do not need a Ford") Headhunter: "But this is a brand new car"  Me: "Click, burr..."  E Oh, that was the project for a rather large company which since that  @ date had their NT project canned in an extremely costly fashion.   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandb   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2002 18:57:26 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Right down the middle- Message-ID: <87adsyb5d5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   B > Funny, when Compaq bought Digital, folks were saying things likeD > "Perhaps some good will come of the acquisition, as Compaq appears( > to know a little bit about marketing."  D > If history is to repeat itself, HP will hire Compaq' marketing andB > advertising folks. It will be interesting to see the gas-pump adB > that HP will put out soon, wherther they will have "VMS" (as the@ > first Compaq had), "openVMS" (nobody wants) or just ignore VMS > alltogether.  D Unless we get *another* dose of HP marketing and Compaq engineering,7 to replace the current DEC marketing and Q engineering.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2002 21:08:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Right down the middle- Message-ID: <871yeaaza6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:u  F > > Oh, is that all.. My trick is to find something; 'Wow, thats neat,E > > must come back and buy a stack.' That is the last we see of them.gF > > Or find a *good* supplier, than they move to the other side of the > > city :(e   ? > Consider them lessons in the consequences of procrastination.y  F The one I really remember was an electronic place I dropped into.  AndB discovered they also sold surgical instruments, and where quitting. that business. Sign that said "All Items, $20"  B I went back 3 or 4 days later with a wad of cash, and some one had= swooped. Think I got 1 or 2 pairs of sissors or some such. :(m  E Last I heard of them, they where getting out of the US market becauseh6 of litigation. (They made heart pace maker electrodes)   -- *< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:36:36 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e" Subject: Re: Right down the middleH Message-ID: <Uvln8.13557$6Q2.13022@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Paul Sture" <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote in messageu# news:3C9D91C2.9060500@bluewin.ch...s >h< > Oh, and see http://www.votethehpway.com/media/brochure.pdf >t >i# > Pages 10-11 are very interesting.p >a  K See page 9 where they state that Compaq is #1 in high-performance technicalcJ computing. This will disappear because that #1 position is based on a dead processor family - Alpha.r  A In the same paragraph, they talk about Compaq's position in stockeJ exchanges - more than half of that is VMS, but no mention of VMS. In fact, no mention of VMS anywhere.n  H Do you suppose they could have added a point on page 11  saying that the. combined company would be #1 in VMS revenue???   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:46:35 GMTn1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>g" Subject: Re: Right down the middle& Message-ID: <3C9DF70F.F87D653@fsi.net>   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > 5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:u > H > > > Oh, is that all.. My trick is to find something; 'Wow, thats neat,G > > > must come back and buy a stack.' That is the last we see of them.gH > > > Or find a *good* supplier, than they move to the other side of the
 > > > city :(D > A > > Consider them lessons in the consequences of procrastination.O > H > The one I really remember was an electronic place I dropped into.  AndD > discovered they also sold surgical instruments, and where quitting0 > that business. Sign that said "All Items, $20" > D > I went back 3 or 4 days later with a wad of cash, and some one had? > swooped. Think I got 1 or 2 pairs of sissors or some such. :(   E When I find a "deal" like that, I immediately go to the nearest phone>> booth and start looking in the yellow pages under "shark". ;-)   -- > David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:56:01 GMTb1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o" Subject: Re: Right down the middle' Message-ID: <3C9DF947.84E958F0@fsi.net>e   JF Mezei wrote:o >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:F > > I hope the OVMS denizens of the Q who are doing the IA64 ports areJ > > polishing up their resumes while their software builds are running. ItL > > wouldn't much more than one "bump in the road" for them to end up in the) > > same spot I'm in, and others like me.> > M > The problem is that there will be one heck of a bump on the road during theaL > integration period, so the temptation to cut costs and employees above the' > 12,000 already planned will be great.o > J > On the other hand, if VMS is part of HP's 3 year roadmap, then it may beI > somewhat immune from such cuts, depending on whether HP adopts Compaq's $ > definition of "commitment" or not.  B I didn't think the Q *HAD* a definition of "commitment", much less6 understand what Merriam-Webster has to say about it...  9 Interesting also is the derivation of the word "decide": n  B "Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French decider, from LatinB decidere, literally, to cut off, from de- + caedere to cut" (from)  G That is, to decide is to cut yourself from any other possibility. BaseddD on evidence of recent and to date, some difference is seen between aF "commitment" (depends on a sense of honor to fulfill) and a "decision"F (example: a decision to jump off the roof, but changing your mind halfC way down: you are powerless at that point to avoid the outcome of aa prior action).   --   David J. Dachtera2 dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:08:50 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>. Subject: RMS: removing a key, Message-ID: <3C9DDDED.428EBD39@videotron.ca>  H Large file with multiple keys.  Need to run a program that will change aL secondary key for all records. So it would be quicker to remove that key, do8 all the changes to that field and then add back the key.  M Question: is there a way to remove/disable a key from an indexed file withouto having to use convert?  N I know I would need to use convert to rebuild the file at the end to re-create9 that key. But must I use it initially to remove the key ?p  L Also, if I already have 2 keys in a file and am using convert to add a thirdM key. Does convert use the old file's existing indices or does it recreate theA: file as if the source was sequential with no keys at all ?   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Mar 2002 18:02:40 GMT6 From: DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis)> Subject: Re: Simple question: Can you repeat strings w/ F$FAO?: Message-ID: <a7l4c0$3vo$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  @ In article <3C9D4A59.F17E32E@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin$ <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:   >you mean like:  >/3 >$ write sys$output f$fao("!0UL!12(%E)&nbsp;!%F",1)nI >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;t  @ 	Yeah, that's the ticket.  I figured the solution would probablyM involve !%E, somehow.  Actually, I discovered you don't even need the leadingOH value.  As such, there's a direct equivalent to both character repeating examples for strings:                       $ n = 12l<                    $ spaces = F$FAO ( "!#(%E)&nbsp;!%F", n )  +                                     - and -7                      $ n = 12h<                    $ spaces = F$FAO ( "!''n'(%E)&nbsp;!%F" )  L I believe the explanation of why the leading value isn't needed is seeded in% how !%E works.  From the online Help:   8                      Inserts a character string when the9                      value of the most recently evaluated):                      argument does not match any preceding%                      !n%C directives.M  N Note the phrase "match any" -- "any" implies 0 (zero) or more.  If there isn'tL a preceding !n%C directive, then there needn't be a preceding "most recentlyH evaluated argument", either.  At least, this is how I'm interpreting it.   >i, >just a little trial and (mostly) error.  :) >--n	 >Regards,/ >c8 >Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #2611638 >First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com >Sr. Consultant  >704-947-1089 (Office) >704-236-4377 (Mobile) >, >o >"Michael T. Davis" wrote: >>? >>         Repeating a character N times with F$FAO is trivial:r >>$ >>                          $ n = 12: >>                          $ spaces = F$FAO ( "!#* ", n ) >> >> ...or even... >>$ >>                          $ n = 12: >>                          $ spaces = f$fao ( "!''n'* " ) >>K >> What if I wanted to repeat a string N times, though?  I know I could runiK >> through a loop N times, concatenating the same string over and over.  Is J >> there a way to do this with a single F$FAO call?  Say, for example, youI >> wanted to create a string of twelve consecutive non-breaking spaces inu6 >> HTML (&nbsp;), rather than twelve space characters. >> >>[...]i   Thanks,  Mike --K              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSEgN   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingJ            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityJ http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:55:27 GMTf. From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@mchsi.com>< Subject: TelnetSym Print Queue Device Name.  IP or Internet?) Message-ID: <3C9E04FE.58271620@mchsi.com>C   > > printer queue created byI > > INITIALIZE/QUEUE/PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM/on="ipadd:9100" PBEPQPTESTt  E         Is it possible to use the Telnet Symbiot with TCPIP v5.x (or eJ maybe even with older UCX v4.x?) with the device name having a FQDN (fully/ qualified domain name) via a DNS server?  I.e.,   D    Init/queu/proc=tcpip$telnetsym/on=VMS::"node.domain.tld:9100" xxx  M the node.domain.tld is resolved from a remote DNS server, not on the VMS nodec1 or from the static host table TCPIP can maintain.l  +         The error I always get for this is:   H %QUEMAN-F-INVQUAVAL, value 'VMS::"node.domain.tld:9100"' invalid for /ON	 qualifier   L         If I use the specific IP address instead of the Internet address, it works:  <    Init/queu/proc=tcpip$telnetsym/on=VMS::"1.1.1.2:9100" xxx  < but I would prefer to use the more convenient internet name.   Thanks for any help!
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