1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 27 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 169       Contents: Backup Files Re: Backup Files Re: Backup Files Re: DCL versus EXE invocation  Re: DCL versus EXE invocation  Re: DCPS version 2.0 Re: DCPS version 2.0/ Re: DEC C: why does exit(0) really exit with 1? / Re: DEC C: why does exit(0) really exit with 1? / Re: DEC C: why does exit(0) really exit with 1?  Re: DECterm X client, ACCPORNAM  Re: Excursion (DECterm) API? Re: Excursion (DECterm) API?5 Re: Flash plugin now available for Mozilla on OpenVMS * Re: Followup Re: creating a mailbox in DCL" Generating MMS files with Decset ?& Re: Generating MMS files with Decset ?& Re: Generating MMS files with Decset ? Good IBM Ad  RE: Good IBM Ad  Re: Good IBM Ad  Re: Good IBM Ad  Re: Good IBM Ad  Re: Good IBM Ad  Re: How to fork() ? + Re: How to know if EDS hires for VMS Eng. ? + Re: How to know if EDS hires for VMS Eng. ? G Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux F Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxF Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxF Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinux5 Re: IF-THEN-ELSE oddity: Extra ELSE's cause no error! ! Re: Interesting Alpha advertising ! Re: Interesting Alpha advertising ! Re: Interesting Alpha advertising ! Re: Interesting Alpha advertising ! Re: Interesting Alpha advertising ! Re: Interesting Alpha advertising ! Re: Interesting Alpha advertising ! Re: Interesting Alpha advertising 4 Re: Is there going to be a VMS based kernel for NSK?4 Re: Is there going to be a VMS based kernel for NSK?4 Re: Is there going to be a VMS based kernel for NSK? Re: Lottery and VMS 7 Re: Low Level format of SCSI Disc in VaxStation 4000VLC  Re: lpd on OCE Re: M$Access -> VMS 1 Monster Marvel Performance - headed our way . . . 5 Re: Monster Marvel Performance - headed our way . . . G Re: New book: OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD, The Nonstop Webserver G Re: New book: OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD, The Nonstop Webserver  Re: News Server Software Re: News Server Software Re: News Server Software RE: News Server Software Re: News Server Software RE: News Server Software* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...- Re: OpenVMS port to Intel - video now on line - Re: OpenVMS port to Intel - video now on line & Oracle media - v 7.1.x for OpenVMS VAX- Re[2]: SW Command Console for Raid array 3000 * Re: SW Command Console for Raid array 3000" Re: System software status utility" Re: System software status utility" Re: System software status utility" Re: System software status utility RE: tcpip5.1  smtp question  Re: tcpip5.1  smtp question  Re: Testing DNEWS  Re: Testing DNEWS 4 Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey Question4 Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey Question4 Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey Question tuxedo/ Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node , Wanted: VMWare Workstation 3.0 Serial Number Welcome To Coolsweeps @ Re: [OT] US/Europe living costs, was: Re: VMS sys admin salaries  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:23:49 +1100 8 From: "Jaime H. Barroco" <jbarroco@broadway.bigpond.com> Subject: Backup Files 9 Message-ID: <vk7o8.23066$uR5.49338@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>   	 Hi there,   E Maybe you can help me? I have a quite few files which I ftp them to a  machine where I have my burner. G I burned my files to a CD. Now I need the files and they are not in the I format that I normal see it when the file was in the OpenVMS environment. ; The process to get the files from the CR-ROM is as follows: 7 1) copy the file to a directory in the Windows 2000 Pc. H 2) from the Alpha machine I ftp the directory on that PC and I get them.J When I edit the file, the format of the file changed, I mean I can see the; content of the file in the position that I normally see it.   L Is there any kind of command, on OpenVMS, that does the same function as the$ Unix command DOS2UNIX or vice-versa?  B Should I submit the file through the OpenVMS convert command. LikeL 'convert/fdl=file.fdl file1.dat file2.dat'. And the file2.dat will be in the! same format as I use to see them?   # Your input will be much appreciated    Regards   
 Jaime Barroco    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:32:10 +0000 (UTC) : From: "webmaster" <webmaster@freetraining.freeservers.com> Subject: Re: Backup Files / Message-ID: <a7r7eq$kua$1@paris.btinternet.com>    Yes,L You will need to reset the original record length on the file. Cant remember0 the command but I think it goes something like : $ set file/attr=lrl::xxx  < could be miles out with no access to a system at the moment.  C "Jaime H. Barroco" <jbarroco@broadway.bigpond.com> wrote in message 3 news:vk7o8.23066$uR5.49338@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...  > Hi there,  > G > Maybe you can help me? I have a quite few files which I ftp them to a ! > machine where I have my burner. I > I burned my files to a CD. Now I need the files and they are not in the K > format that I normal see it when the file was in the OpenVMS environment. = > The process to get the files from the CR-ROM is as follows: 9 > 1) copy the file to a directory in the Windows 2000 Pc. J > 2) from the Alpha machine I ftp the directory on that PC and I get them.L > When I edit the file, the format of the file changed, I mean I can see the= > content of the file in the position that I normally see it.  > J > Is there any kind of command, on OpenVMS, that does the same function as the & > Unix command DOS2UNIX or vice-versa? > D > Should I submit the file through the OpenVMS convert command. LikeJ > 'convert/fdl=file.fdl file1.dat file2.dat'. And the file2.dat will be in the # > same format as I use to see them?  > % > Your input will be much appreciated  > 	 > Regards  >  > Jaime Barroco  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:03:34 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Backup Files ' Message-ID: <3CA138C3.CC480E74@fsi.net>    "Jaime H. Barroco" wrote:  >  > Hi there,  > G > Maybe you can help me? I have a quite few files which I ftp them to a ! > machine where I have my burner.   > Well, maybe you'll first want to look at some VMS CD-ROM URLs:$ http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html? http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/9999/vmscdwri.html ; http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#FILE7   I > I burned my files to a CD. Now I need the files and they are not in the K > format that I normal see it when the file was in the OpenVMS environment. = > The process to get the files from the CR-ROM is as follows: 9 > 1) copy the file to a directory in the Windows 2000 Pc.   G Well, that's where you went wrong. See, WhineBloze doesn't support RMS. H So, your data may have gone bye-bye, unless the original file attributesD are available to you so you can restore them manually, one file at a& time. The syntax would look like this:  8 $ SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES=(RFM=rfm,LRL=lrl,MRS=mrs) filespec  H ...where "rfm" is one of VAR, VFC, FIX, STM, STMLF, STMCR, REL; "lrl" isG the longest record length and "mrs" is the maximum record length. Those E last two look like they should be the same, but they aren't and apply H only to VAR files. LRL can be less than MRS, but never greater than MRS.  C Of course, you may have to guess at EBK (End-of-file BlocK) and FFB  (First Free Byte).   > [snip]N > Is there any kind of command, on OpenVMS, that does the same function as the& > Unix command DOS2UNIX or vice-versa?  D Well, no, since there is no effective way to preserve RMS attributesG other than the Freeware ZIP utility, and perhaps newer versions of GZIP D and VMSTAR, the answer is, unfortunately, no. One of these archivingD programs may be useful, however. Here are some URLs that might help:  0 http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/zipunzip.html4 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/index.htm http://www.djesys.com/tar.html  # For help in understanding RMS, see: 1 http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/mentor/rms.html    > D > Should I submit the file through the OpenVMS convert command. LikeN > 'convert/fdl=file.fdl file1.dat file2.dat'. And the file2.dat will be in the# > same format as I use to see them?   9 You can try this, but you may need to do some DUMPing and G experimentation with FDL to get the output file to come out right. Good E exercise, really, if you're an OpenVMS newbie and willing to take the  time to learn.  % > Your input will be much appreciated    Hope this helps...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:12:45 +0100 ! From: "Jakob Erber" <no@spam.com> & Subject: Re: DCL versus EXE invocation- Message-ID: <3ca0c9a7$1_1@news.tiscalinet.ch>    What does VIOCC mean?    regards    Jakob     A Thomas H. Pauli <thomaspauli@arcor.de> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:  3CA08BEC.1020103@arcor.de...F > Well, DCL may call images again and again and this can place a heavyJ > IO-load to the machine, depending on what it is and where it comes from.I > If the VIOCC is too small, then the image-activator would have a lot of G > waits resulting in sloooow loads. I think there is no general rule to  > determine what's better. >  > Thomas >  > Michael Austin wrote:  >  > > Jakob Erber wrote: > > 
 > >>Hello, > >>K > >>I try to figure out, what the overhead is, to invocate a VMS executable  inK > >>comparison to a dcl script. For a beginning I would asume, that the exe  doesF > >>not use additional sharable images. First tests seem to show, that startingL > >>an image takes initially more time, but somehow VMS seems to remember it and 3 > >>the time decreases with subsequential attempts.  > >> > >>What is you opinion? > >> > >>best regards > >>	 > >>Jakob  > >> > >>--D > >>What I publish in this group, is to be understood as my personal opninionE > >>and must not be interpreted as a official statement of my company  > >> > > B > > It depends on whether or not you INSTALL the image.  This will& > > significantly reduce startup time. > > / > > $INSTALL ADD dev:[dir]file.exe /OPEN/HEADER 5 > > as well as any shared images this image may call.  > >  > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:15:32 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> & Subject: Re: DCL versus EXE invocation& Message-ID: <3CA0E4F4.35F9BC9@aaa.com>  1 What you see when doing SHOW MEMORY/CACHE [/FULL]  Have many names...  	 Jan-Erik.    Jakob Erber wrote: >  > What does VIOCC mean?  > 	 > regards  >  > Jakob  >    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 19:56:06 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: DCPS version 2.0 5 Message-ID: <20020326195606.5144.qmail@gacracker.org>   F On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote:6 >In article <3C9605F1.91D9A34A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei& ><jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > O >> Is there a valid reason why it couldn't be downloadable from the vms web/ftp G >> site ? Sounds like a perfect candidate for such an endeavour to me.   > @ >I was going to say that no Compaq OpenVMS layered products wereH >available on the Web, but the Web server and browser software (CSWS and@ >CSWB) are.  Are there other layered products that are regularly >available for download?   Does Java count?     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:00:20 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: DCPS version 2.0 ' Message-ID: <3CA129F8.D1C724D3@fsi.net>    Paul Anderson wrote: > 7 > In article <3C9605F1.91D9A34A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei ' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  > P > > Is there a valid reason why it couldn't be downloadable from the vms web/ftpG > > site ? Sounds like a perfect candidate for such an endeavour to me.  > A > I was going to say that no Compaq OpenVMS layered products were I > available on the Web, but the Web server and browser software (CSWS and A > CSWB) are.  Are there other layered products that are regularly  > available for download?   D Hobbyists can download Multinet and other third-party stuff, usuallyE after registering for licenses. Maybe if enough third-parties came on 
 board, ...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:57:04 -0500  From: <ed.vogel@compaq.com> 8 Subject: Re: DEC C: why does exit(0) really exit with 1?3 Message-ID: <lo4o8.1527$fL6.29906@news.cpqcorp.net>   < "Michael Zarlenga" <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message) news:u9mkqn3t907lda@corp.supernews.com... > | This may be seen as beating the proverbail dead horse, but I> | just don't believe that 0 is the standard-conforming success | code in C. |  | Is that written anywhere?  |   <     Yes.  To quote from section 7.20.4.3 of the C99 Standard     (which describes exit):            void exit(int status);  :         If the value of status is zero or EXIT_SUCCESS, anH         implementation-defined form of the status successful termination         is returned.  >    The C89 standard contains the same wording.  DEC C is doing    what the standard requires.  F     Sorry if this has been answered before.  There are so many replies<     to this thread that I'm sure I did not read all of them.                         Ed Vogel(                     Compaq C Engineering   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 15:09:43 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: DEC C: why does exit(0) really exit with 1?3 Message-ID: <vC2VHFWf7AyR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <a7q3kb$1tol$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > K > Don't you have that backwards??  K&R wrote that more than a decade before  > any ANSI standard. >   <    Nope.  Appeal to false authority as far as I'm concerned.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:52:33 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)8 Subject: Re: DEC C: why does exit(0) really exit with 1?; Message-ID: <3ca0df91.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   0 Michael Zarlenga (zarlenga@conan.ids.net) wrote:5 > Martin Vorlaender <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote: 4 > : Michael Zarlenga (zarlenga@conan.ids.net) wrote:C > :> Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote: G > :> : To be honest, I can't quite see what all the fuss here is about.  > :>. > :> The fuss is a programmer types "exit(x);" > E > : In quite a few cases, a _Unix_ programmer types "exit(0)" or even E > : "exit(EXIT_SUCCESS)", and he means "everything's fine". And a guy E > : porting this to VMS doesn't want to change every single occurance H > : of exit() to cope with this, and is grateful for the RTL translating > : it to SS$_NORMAL.  > E > A header file with the translation buried inside would handle that. < > You want Unix-style translations, include the header file.  G IMHO, you got that wrong. I don't want to have to do a bit to make sure G that "exit(EXIT_SUCCESS)" doesn't give "%NONAME-W-NOMSG, Message number 
 00000000".     #ifdef DONT_TRANSLATE_STATUS)   extern int sys$exit(unsigned int code); #   #define exit(code) sys$exit(code)    #endif   cu,    Martin --  G  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deH  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:30:42 -0000 ? From: "Malcolm MacArthur" <malcolmix@neverness.freeserve.co.uk>6( Subject: Re: DECterm X client, ACCPORNAM. Message-ID: <a7qp7e$vq$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messagee- news:ANQn8.1480$fL6.29421@news.cpqcorp.net... D > In article <a7fso4$2uv$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm MacArthur"- <malcolmix@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes:1G > :OK, as you rightly point out, a DECterm is connected 'back-to-front'x comparedN > :to a normal terminal device. But, just because the connection was initiatedL > :the other way around doesn't make the location it's displayed AT any less > :useful... >wK >   I've learned that ambiguity can be, well, a problem -- again, ACCPORNAMIJ >   is usually the storage for the incoming network connection, so (unlessK >   the DECterm is operating detached, of course) it really isn't availableoN >   for this use.   You want the outgoing or the X Windows display connection,J >   and you specifically want this value from within the DECterm X WindowsM >   client application -- and you want this value available to auditing, too.m >rM > :Umm, yeah, right. So how does an ordinary unprivileged user know that, forgK > :instance, FTA23: is using DECwindows pseudodevice WSA3: for its display?t > D >   The user's application display is FTA23:, of course.  Not WSA3:.G >   If the user has a prefered display, the application accesses it via  >   SET DISPLAY callbacks. >tL >   Assuming you cannot use CREATE/TERMINAL/DEFINE or the equivilent DECtermI >   API call (and a cooperating user), traversing back to the workstation N >   device specification used by the X Windows client (DECterm and the DECtermL >   controller, in this case) does definitely look to be "interesting".  YouL >   are correct.  Retrieving this is an interesting idea, but the only way IK >   can see out of this -- and to return this information to the DECwindows J >   client application -- involves rummaging around inside the DECterm andM >   particularly inside the DECterm controller code, or (for the more generics2 >   approach) inside xlib and the X Windows layer. >aI >   An alternative that is possible involves the use of an SDA extension.tJ >   (This still means rummaging through the kernel, of course.  This wouldJ >   simply be a somewhat "cleaner" approach to that end...)  And one otherJ >   approach involves rummaging around inside the X Windows code; a searchH >   for information that might be available within the xlib and related.J >   (I've checked decw$utils: and do not see anything immediately useful.)  ? I've got a command file to do that using SDA if you want it ;-)m   >oM > :There is another point in all this as well. Say someone tries to hack intot myN > :system, and he is using X Windows. Now, he logs on, does a CREATE /TERMINAL@ > :/DETACHED /NOLOGGED_IN, and logs in as (for instance) SYSTEM.L > :days later, I notice something unusual happened. So I go through my auditK > :records and discover that SYSTEM logged on to terminal FTA23:. Now, from M > :this historical perspective, how do I find out where pseudoterminal FTA23:e > :was initiated from? >bJ >   Ok, this is definitely an "uncooperative" user.  Pseudoterminal FTA23:G >   was originally created on the node that got hacked, of course, so I I >   expect you really want to know where the X Windows display for FTA23:-8 >   is going and, well, that (again) gets "interesting". >1K > :So, as a compromise, I would settle for a method of auditing creation ofu? > :pseudoterminals and DECwindows WSAnn: display pseudodevices.m > M >   If network connection auditing, device creation, or process or subprocessmM >   creation auditing is insufficient, you will want to make a formal request J >   for this auditing capability -- given the cracker had enough access toI >   create a DECterm, there are also other file, audit, and login-relatedR4 >   security considerations obviously involved here. >tF Hmm. Of course, this hasn't happened to me ( :-), I just posed it as a hypothetical scenario.  F But it does raise an interesting point about pseudo-terminals and VMS.  F If a user telnets in to a machine, as well as the option of connection@ auditing/logging, you also have the ACCPORNAM information in theG audit journal and the accounting file. If a user connects on a physicaluE terminal, such as TTA0: (which gives you no access port information),iJ you can tell where that is by tracing back the wiring. Similarly with LAT,/ SET HOST and others... but not pseudoterminals.a  D Or a malicious user could write a program to initiate pseudoterminal
 connections -2M or just get a hold of one, such as BOSS, which allows you to create processesu withB pseudoterminals; these could then be used to mount untraceable (or hard-to-trace) logins or login attempts.a  G Have been experimenting, and if this is an issue for others, there is a  partial 	 solution:e   Set audit ACLs on ( SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]PTD$SERVICES_SHR.EXE,/ SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]DECW$TERMINAL_CREATE.EXE ando: SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECW$TERMINAL.EXE. This way, the _firstL successful_ DECterm connection initiated gives you the following information! (using alarm ACLs to illustrate):    ----
 systst> cr /tn8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAR-2002 19:58:48.50  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on SYSTST3 Security alarm (SECURITY) on SYSTST, system id: 777n' Auditable event:          Object access ; Event information:        known file access request ($OPEN)h1 Event time:               26-MAR-2002 19:58:48.50)" PID:                      000004DD [...]  Object name:6 SYSTST$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]DECW$TERMINAL_CRE ATE.EXE;& Access requested:         READ,EXECUTEH Status:                   %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAR-2002 19:58:49.84  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on SYSTST3 Security alarm (SECURITY) on SYSTST, system id: 777n' Auditable event:          Object accessd; Event information:        known file access request ($OPEN) 1 Event time:               26-MAR-2002 19:58:49.84t" PID:                      000004E0 [...]  Object class name:        FILE Object name:6 SYSTST$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]DECW$TERMINAL.EXE ;r& Access requested:         READ,EXECUTEH Status:                   %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAR-2002 19:58:49.84  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on SYSTST3 Security alarm (SECURITY) on SYSTST, system id: 777m' Auditable event:          Object accessn; Event information:        known file access request ($OPEN)/1 Event time:               26-MAR-2002 19:58:49.84L" PID:                      000004E0 [...]s Object class name:        FILE Object name:6 SYSTST$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]PTD$SERVICES_SHR. EXE;& Access requested:         READ,EXECUTEH Status:                   %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion   ----  @ ... which gives a nice, usable audit trail. Process 4DD executed CREATE/TERMINAL0I (which involved accessing DECW$TERMINAL_CREATE.EXE). This in turn createdtK process 4E0, whose name is DECW$TE_04DD (thus pointing back to the originalt	 process).iN Process 4E0 runs DECW$TERMINAL.EXE, which is linked with PTD$SERVICES_SHR.EXE.M So we can tell that process 4E0 created a pseudoterminal (or more accurately,c is capable of doing M so). However, this only works for the first terminal, but subsequent calls tot CREATE /TERMINAL will at least be logged.  J This also has the advantage of flagging up other programs which can create pseudoterminals,M such as BOSS, because they will also have to load PTD$SERVICES_SHR.EXE. Stillv
 can't tellL you precisely who created, say, FTA23:, but if this is a rare event, it will
 give you somem extra information.  I You can audit who is creating DECwindows displays (but not where they aree going)M by putting audit ACLs on DECW$SETSHODIS.EXE. But this means that SHOW DISPLAYw2 will also fire off audit alarms. Audit ACLs on the SYS$SHARE:DECW$TRANSPORT_*.EXEK files will at least let you know which transport is used by a given DECterm  (and any otherF DECwindows application), which could narrow down your search somewhat.  I Perhaps the best solution all round is to modify PTD$CREATE to fill in ant ACCPORNAM field H with just, say, the PID of the process which created the pseudoterminal, giving you, say:  0 SYSTEM    SYSTST    _FTA23:    FTA23: (000004E0)  N This could be changed using a new PTD$SET_ACCPORNAM function, the use of which would beJ restricted by privilege (and privilege use can be audited...) - and also a
 corresponding K PTD$DELETE_ACCPORNAM, for those who wish it (call after PTD$CREATE). So, in ; the future, DECW$TERMINAL (the DECterm controller) could beo modified to fill in:  = SYSTEM    SYSTST    _FTA23:    FTA23: (TCPIP/192.168.0.1:0.0).   or  7 SYSTEM    SYSTST    _FTA23:    FTA23: (Display: WSA12:)y  H or, for those sites who might find it necessary, it could be set to call PTD$DELETE_ACCPORNAM to-K remove it. If it is possible to hack it out of the UCB after the device hasr been created ;-)  N Then, modify the routines for display creation to optionally write an entry to the audit log if requested. So you could have something like:  / Auditable event:    DECwindows display creationb Username:    SYSTEM2 PID:    00001234 Transport:    TCPIPi Node:    192.168.0.1 Server:    0 Screen:    0 Object name:    WSA12:   Method 2 (easier - maybe??? ;)I -Allow CREATE audit ACEs to be placed on template devices. You could thenl audit "create" accesstM to FTA0: and WSA0:. You wouldn't get quite as much detail, but it would help. L - Modify DECW$TERMINAL to create a log file, logging details of the display.  	 -Malcolm.  > ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------eL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------wN >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >r   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 13:41:25 -0800/ From: Adrian.Lumsden@sss.co.nz (Adrian Lumsden)r% Subject: Re: Excursion (DECterm) API? = Message-ID: <e050a30a.0203261341.7e77dde6@posting.google.com>s  F What I am trying to do is bend my work environment into something that
 I can use :-)   B I am working on a GIS/multimedia project using Java and the targetE environment is Windows NT. I prefer to use EDT for text bashing sincedF I have many years of experience and EDT initialisation files set up. ID can work EDT thinking about the meta-editing level without having toB think "delete this line", "replace this text", or what's the emacsF keystroke combination that does this. (I don't want to start an editor religious war btw).5  @ I have a make file on the NT box that looks over Pathworks to myD directory on the Alpha for sources files more recent than the NT oneF and yanks them over. At the moment this is a manual process and I justC use Alt-Tab to switch between the windows and I type in the commands line.r  A Since another person was added to the project there are some goodeE reasons for converting to using NetBeans as a development environment2C but I'd still like to do my text bashing on the Alpha (I don't have3C time to learn a new editor or to configure one to behave like EDT)..  E NetBeans apparently supports an external editor so I thought that I'deC write/use some utility to seem to be an external editor to NetBeans B but which squirts "EDT MyFile.Java<CR>" into the DECterm window to fire up my editor.  D James Wilkinson's reply is the sort of thing I was looking for but IA was hoping that someone would know of a keyboard stuffer already.r    Does NetBeans run under VMS btw?  
 best regards,?   Adrian   Scientific Software and Systemsb
 Wellington New Zealand.  m hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<RHPn8.1478$fL6.29429@news.cpqcorp.net>... q > In article <e050a30a.0203251551.17b10741@posting.google.com>, Adrian.Lumsden@sss.co.nz (Adrian Lumsden) writes:oE > :I would like to be able to pipe characters into the DECterm window:G > :from another application running under NT to simulate a command linei > :being typed to VMS. > B >   You could roll your own, using pseudo terminals on OpenVMS andB >   a network connection and protocol of your choosing between the >   platforms. > G > :Alternatively can anyone recommend a general purpose Windows utilityw1 > :that I could use to do the same sort of thing?d > B >   rcp, direct connection into the telnet port, etc., might help. > F >   What are you trying to do when feeding the data into the X Windows) >   client application; into the DECterm?u > I >   This really isn't specifically an OpenVMS question (since the desiredoJ >   task involves stuffing characters into the X Windows data originating K >   from the X Windows server running on the Windows NT box), rather it is oJ >   specific to the X Windows environment running on the platform running < >   the X Windows server.  The Windows NT box, in this case. > I >   If you want to poke around inside the X Windows transport, xliddy andtK >   such might be useful -- I know there is an xliddy port for OpenVMS, andqI >   there are probably newer and better tools than xliddy available, too.a >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------P >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:30:02 -0500 + From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com>t% Subject: Re: Excursion (DECterm) API?a3 Message-ID: <MD6o8.1530$fL6.30275@news.cpqcorp.net>n  < "Adrian Lumsden" <Adrian.Lumsden@sss.co.nz> wrote in message7 news:e050a30a.0203261341.7e77dde6@posting.google.com...  [snip]G > NetBeans apparently supports an external editor so I thought that I'd-E > write/use some utility to seem to be an external editor to NetBeanssD > but which squirts "EDT MyFile.Java<CR>" into the DECterm window to > fire up my editor. > F > James Wilkinson's reply is the sort of thing I was looking for but IC > was hoping that someone would know of a keyboard stuffer already.  > " > Does NetBeans run under VMS btw?  B Yep - http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/ --	 Mike Kierl Compaq Professional Services Cincinnati, OH, USA- michael.kier@compaq.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:41:37 -0800(0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>> Subject: Re: Flash plugin now available for Mozilla on OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3CA07A91.42606976@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Jouk Jansen wrote: >  > Mark Berryman wrote: > >rI > > I have ported Olivier Debon's open source flash player to VMS.  WhiletI > > this player does not do all things Flash, it certainly does more thaneF > > VMS currently has.  It currently does most of Flash 4 but does not1 > > support the actionscript features of Flash 5.i > >"L > > I am currently trying to add support for sound and, once that is done, IJ > > will put the full source kit up.  Until then, anyone who would like to% > > try the plugin can fetch it from:n > >e. > > ftp://mvb.saic.com/extra/libflashplugin.so > >,J > > Just copy the LIBFLASHPLUGIN.SO file into SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA.PLUGINS]L > > (or into the [.PLUGINS] directory of wherever you installed Mozilla) and > > restart your browser.l > >h > > Feedback welcome.  > >o > > Mark Berryman' > > Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com > >rK > > P.S.  As I mentioned earlier, there will be some flash sites that don't K > >       work with this plugin, but if you find any that actually cause iti3 > >       to generate an error, please let me know.e6 > Great work, Please get me informed on your progress. > 8 > I tried your plugin on the web-site of the Dutch operaD > http://www.dno.nl ). It has some problem with the colourmaps there6 > All the movies shown seem to have the wrong colours.  F Let me mention here that this plugin is a port of a Linux package that@ assumes 16-bit or better displays.  It does NOT work on an 8-bitG display.  I threw enough code in yesterday that it will no longer crashXE if you use an 8-bit display (oops) but it does not currently draw theH correct colors.f  / I will try to get 8-bit support added, however.A  
 Mark Berryman2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:42:49 +0100a. From: "Marc Van Dyck" <marc.vandyck@skynet.be>3 Subject: Re: Followup Re: creating a mailbox in DCLD4 Message-ID: <3ca10644$0$259$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>  F There is a MBX package in the latest freeware version, written by yourF humble servant, that does just that. Installs as a PCSI or a VMSINSTALJ kit, and provides DCL commands to create, delete, read and write mailboxes	 from DCL.n  ? If you decide to use/evaluate it, i'll appreciate any feedback.o   Marc.   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3C9FF03E.405984CA@fsi.net...h > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >t > > Jakob Erber wrote: > > >, > > > Hi there DCL Gurus,w > > >s0 > > > is there a way to create a Mailbox in DCL?L > > > So far, we found a possibility in snatching the termination mailbox of the F > > > spawned subprocess. But isn't there a more straight forward way? > >s > > Take a look at:g > >i1 > > http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/crembx.zip  > >sJ > > This contains a VAX (DEC) BASIC program to create a permanent mailbox,L > > and a matching perversion of a CREATE.CLD (V5.5-2) for an example of how6 > > to add a /MAILBOX qualifier to the CREATE command. > >EJ > > See http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/mentor/dcl_cmd.html to view this > > information on-line. > > F > > I had an old CompuServe VAX Forum submission called VMSPIPE.TLB (IH > > think). I just got done burning a bunch of my old diskettes to CD-R.E > > I'll see if I can find that and put it up in my freeware area. IthD > > includes a "CREMBX" program and DELMBX program in both BASIC andJ > > Macro32, as well as edited .CLDs for CREATE and DELETE to add /MAILBOX > > functionality. > I > You can now find this at http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/vmspipe.zips > ; > There's full source and .OBJs for VAX, but not for Alpha.a >rH > I never had to use this on Alpha, and haven't re-installed BASIC on myH > home Alpha since I recovered from the system disk failure. It was usedF > in it's day on a good size VAX, however, to allow for converting 8mm@ > "dd" tapes to ANSI-labelled magtapes for an IBM mainframe. The; > "pipeline" was COPY (from 8mm tape) -> Deblocker(MBX1) ->xG > ASCII-to-EBCDIC(MBX2) -> CONVERT/FDL(MBX3) to 9-track. The "pipeline"mG > allowed that the data didn't have to first be copied down to disk and E > massaged multiple times before being written out to 9-track. *MUCH*s > faster that way! >tD > I'll try to make time to re-install BASIC and make Alpha .OBJs forF > CREMBX and DELMBX to go with the .CLDs and .HLP segments. Obviously,1 > development of this stopped at VMS V6.1, so ...a >aI > Another of my VMS wish-list items would be to have this (CREATE/MAILBOXdJ > and DELETE/MAILBOX) developed by OVMS Engr. as part of the base product, > if it's not already there. >AG > By the way, if anyone knows how to fix the compile-time errors in thea5 > .MAR files, I'd be grateful for a pointer or two...c >t > -- > David J. Dachterak > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ >t* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:46:10 +0100m5 From: Christophe Evrard <christophe.evrard@skynet.be>D+ Subject: Generating MMS files with Decset ? & Message-ID: <3CA0D002.20301@skynet.be>   Hello,  D The software we manage consists in 7000 configuration items (Cobol, # copybooks) resulting in 800 images. 9 The CI reside in CMS, and we use MMS to build the images.nL So far, we use a "home-made" tool (written in TPU) to create the .MMS files.G Is there a tool from Decset (SCA ?) that can provide the same service ?m Regardsr Christophe.'   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:31:53 -0500 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>t/ Subject: Re: Generating MMS files with Decset ?n/ Message-ID: <ua1mlqqp2ic809@news.supernews.com>n  E Take a look at MMS/GENERATE.  I don't know if it can do COBOL or not.   B "Christophe Evrard" <christophe.evrard@skynet.be> wrote in message  news:3CA0D002.20301@skynet.be... > Hello, >sE > The software we manage consists in 7000 configuration items (Cobol,r% > copybooks) resulting in 800 images.o; > The CI reside in CMS, and we use MMS to build the images.lG > So far, we use a "home-made" tool (written in TPU) to create the .MMS  files.I > Is there a tool from Decset (SCA ?) that can provide the same service ?m	 > Regardse
 > Christophe.u >    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 16:20:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s/ Subject: Re: Generating MMS files with Decset ? 3 Message-ID: <tjhShjs8cs2Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>_  ^ In article <3CA0D002.20301@skynet.be>, Christophe Evrard <christophe.evrard@skynet.be> writes:  F > The software we manage consists in 7000 configuration items (Cobol, % > copybooks) resulting in 800 images.A; > The CI reside in CMS, and we use MMS to build the images.CN > So far, we use a "home-made" tool (written in TPU) to create the .MMS files.I > Is there a tool from Decset (SCA ?) that can provide the same service ?   0 I believe MMS/GENERATE counts as part of DECset.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:32:13 -06005/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>. Subject: Good IBM AdT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C1A3@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  H Looks like IBM hires marketing firms that deliver.  The back page of theJ current issue of Computerworld has an ad for their eserver series.  The adF says "Runs UNIX. Runs LINUX. And runs runs runs runs runs runs...."  AE concept like this would have worked well for OpenVMS on AlphaServers.n  	 Ed Stuart A Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.6   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:33:27 -0600c+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>D Subject: RE: Good IBM AdH Message-ID: <7E008308CD77154485FEF878168D078E260B95@CMIMAIL1.amdocs.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Stuart, Ed [mailto:Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com]  ? > Looks like IBM hires marketing firms that deliver.  The back R
 > page of theu= > current issue of Computerworld has an ad for their eserver n > series.  The adaH > says "Runs UNIX. Runs LINUX. And runs runs runs runs runs runs...."  AG > concept like this would have worked well for OpenVMS on AlphaServers.   @ Sure.  It's a bit of a stretch to say that VMS will "run Linux,"? but after some of the advertising I've seen, it wouldn't be toor extreme. :)    ChrisE    ! Christopher Smith, Perl DeveloperE Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");c 'd  R   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:13:20 +0100n' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not>s Subject: Re: Good IBM Ad( Message-ID: <3CA10EA0.50C3D24B@spam.not>   "Stuart, Ed" wrote:N > J > Looks like IBM hires marketing firms that deliver.  The back page of theL > current issue of Computerworld has an ad for their eserver series.  The adH > says "Runs UNIX. Runs LINUX. And runs runs runs runs runs runs...."  AG > concept like this would have worked well for OpenVMS on AlphaServers.g >  > Ed StuartoC > Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.s   Oracle has a good one too:   Is your mail server al Virus Exchange?o  " The second line is printed in red.I The ad is placed on the back cover age of a well know business magazine.  8 I saw it sitting in front of a guy reading the magazine.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:45:07 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Good IBM Ad. Message-ID: <Tmao8.131770$702.25927@sccrnsc02>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3CA12FEB.C70B2BFC@fsi.net...a > "Stuart, Ed" wrote:o > >nL > > Looks like IBM hires marketing firms that deliver.  The back page of theK > > current issue of Computerworld has an ad for their eserver series.  Thee adJ > > says "Runs UNIX. Runs LINUX. And runs runs runs runs runs runs...."  AI > > concept like this would have worked well for OpenVMS on AlphaServers.P >AE > Nah - might have made them a pile of money, which is the last thingi9 > anyone at the Q wants to see either OVMS or Alpha do...   L Umm, I would venture to guess that Mark Gorham, Sue Skonetski, and the UsualD Compaq Lurkers in comp.os.vms would like to see VMS make big bags of money...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:25:46 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>S Subject: Re: Good IBM Ad' Message-ID: <3CA12FEB.C70B2BFC@fsi.net>    "Stuart, Ed" wrote:E > J > Looks like IBM hires marketing firms that deliver.  The back page of theL > current issue of Computerworld has an ad for their eserver series.  The adH > says "Runs UNIX. Runs LINUX. And runs runs runs runs runs runs...."  AG > concept like this would have worked well for OpenVMS on AlphaServers.t  C Nah - might have made them a pile of money, which is the last thinge7 anyone at the Q wants to see either OVMS or Alpha do...:   -- 1 David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:11:50 GMTp1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>g Subject: Re: Good IBM Ad' Message-ID: <3CA13AB7.CA7970B1@fsi.net>-   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:h > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3CA12FEB.C70B2BFC@fsi.net...q > > "Stuart, Ed" wrote:- > > >-N > > > Looks like IBM hires marketing firms that deliver.  The back page of theM > > > current issue of Computerworld has an ad for their eserver series.  The- > adL > > > says "Runs UNIX. Runs LINUX. And runs runs runs runs runs runs...."  AK > > > concept like this would have worked well for OpenVMS on AlphaServers.. > >6G > > Nah - might have made them a pile of money, which is the last thingo; > > anyone at the Q wants to see either OVMS or Alpha do...r > N > Umm, I would venture to guess that Mark Gorham, Sue Skonetski, and the UsualF > Compaq Lurkers in comp.os.vms would like to see VMS make big bags of
 > money...  H Well, Sue and the ng denizens (sounds like a musical group, eh?) I couldF see. From Mark G.('s level) on up, I see no evidence to support such a claim.   -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:00:42 +0100r2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: How to fork() ?; Message-ID: <3ca0c55a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ( Colin Blake (colin@theblakes.com) wrote:M > As long as you're not getting to the "exec failed" statement, you should begI > getting a process entry in your accounting log. At least that's been mym
 > experience.o  K I'm getting entries, but it's only a SUBPROCESS and a LOGINOUT image entry.e  L > Make sure the set_child_standard_streams() call is returning the number of% > streams you believe you're setting,e  	 3. Check.x  D > and double check that the exec arg points to a valid executable or > command file.o  C Double check. I called the COM procedure directly from an unrelatedg account; it works.  G Anyway, I now changed the code to call the exec directly (using execv - C it could be that execvp was the wrong function) and it gets startedtF (just in the wrong directory. I'll fix that in the other program). The? commands flow down to it alright, but no output ever gets back.6  E The problem could be that (this being an X application) the from_progpK pipe descriptor gets fed into XtAppAddInput() but the callback never fires.w  ! Many thanks for your suggestions.r   cu,t   Martin -- oG                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmern4 Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK the Borg have proper       |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/o; networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.det   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:20:21 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)4 Subject: Re: How to know if EDS hires for VMS Eng. ?J Message-ID: <rdeininger-2603022120210001@1cust49.tnt4.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  6 In article <3CA00DC5.8A347193@free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr> wrote:y   >../.. >Working storage section.e >        01 subject pic x(80). >        01 text    pic x(80).' >        01 answer  pic x value "Y","N"r >Procedure division. >Main. >        move subject to textf >        display texti >        accept answer0 >        if answer = "Y" then goto SpitBrook Rd.  & I don't know Cobol, but I'm curious...  P Why "move subject to text" and "display text" instead of just "display subject"?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:44:47 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i4 Subject: Re: How to know if EDS hires for VMS Eng. ?, Message-ID: <3CA1402E.62CDBA2B@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote: R > Why "move subject to text" and "display text" instead of just "display subject"?  H For text stuff, it doesn't really matter, but if you have binary numbersJ (equivalent of short and long in C), you will need to move that value to aL "formatted" field before printing it (the formatted field defines whether it  has leading zeros, decimal etc).  M There are also COBOL extensions such as report writer and a screen handler onnN some systems where you need to move the value to the "screen" section variable and then display the screen.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:08:40 -0800 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>P Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping of Linux/ Message-ID: <ua1hc4debtp172@corp.supernews.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  . > Soory I should have pointed you to this page > : > http://www.sun.com/io_technologies/storagesolutions.html > 8 > This lists the external desktop type removable storage9 > products that work with Solaris. The SunBlade 100, 1000  > and 2000 have USB ports BTW. >   H I'll take a look at that site.  But wouldn't it be nice as an option to B have a CD-RW drive instead of just a CD drive?  They are not that I expensive, and for a standalone developer station not hooked up to a lan  F would be a necessity for backups.  I was surprised that there were no - backup options considered for this situation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:55:05 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>aO Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxo, Message-ID: <3CA0D1ED.1588BD98@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > L > Call me "Freddy Boy" one more time, and I may need to fly to the UK for an > international incident.   M If you and Andrew were females, I'd ask for someone to accompany you and filmhM the ensuing catfight between you and Andrew ... it could be posted on the vmst2 web site and boost number of visitors to the site.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:52:23 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>O Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinux ? Message-ID: <Htao8.136216$uA5.118535@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>s  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CA0D1ED.1588BD98@videotron.ca... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >eK > > Call me "Freddy Boy" one more time, and I may need to fly to the UK for  an > > international incident.t >fJ > If you and Andrew were females, I'd ask for someone to accompany you and filmK > the ensuing catfight between you and Andrew ... it could be posted on then vms 6 > web site and boost number of visitors to the site...  @ Boost Web site traffic? Sounds like a Marketing trick to me. ;-}   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 22:56:26 -0800/ From: Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com (Brannon Batson)cO Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxw= Message-ID: <4495ef1f.0203262256.61253ea8@posting.google.com>a  p "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<qP2o8.1523$fL6.29568@news.cpqcorp.net>...L > Call me "Freddy Boy" one more time, and I may need to fly to the UK for an > international incident.  >  > [snip]  = Why didn't we think to resort to violence in the first place?a   Brannon  not speaking for Intel   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:53:28 +0000 (UTC)m: From: "webmaster" <webmaster@freetraining.freeservers.com>> Subject: Re: IF-THEN-ELSE oddity: Extra ELSE's cause no error!1 Message-ID: <a7r8mo$rch$1@knossos.btinternet.com>i  J Not sure about this but you might find that there is some logic in the wayB that it is working. Something to do with the status of the command proceeding each else statement.e  ; "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in messageh7 news:b096a4ee.0203251837.782516f9@posting.google.com...iE > hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) wrote in messagey/ news:<7Nnm8.1320$fL6.26489@news.cpqcorp.net>...n# > > 1 $    WSO = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"e > >      2 $    IF P1.EQ.0 > >      3 $    THEN  > >      4 $        WSO "P1 = 0" > >      5 $    ELSE  ! 1a( > >      6 $        WSO "ELSE 1 P1 != 0" > >      7 $    ELSE  ! 2w( > >      8 $        WSO "ELSE 2 P1 != 0" > >      9 $    ELSE  ! 3m( > >     10 $        WSO "ELSE 3 P1 != 0" > >     11 $    ELSE( > >     12 $        WSO "ELSE 4 P1 != 0" > >     13 $    ENDIF  > >cL > > Did you notice that line 4 is executed if P1 is 0, and line 6 is execute > > for ANY other value of P1? > >s" > > i.e. lines 7-12 are "ignored". > > H > > So, this is a case -- some would say "yet another case" -- where DCL willD > > run without error even though a syntax rule is clearly violated. > >jK > > If you are depending on this to do something, be aware that it probablyAI > > doesn't do what you want, AND that it is undefined behaviour that may  > > change in the future.  >e >pF > Nope. I was working on inherited code when I discovered this. I knowF > DCL supports only one ELSE per IF-THEN-ELSE block, but was surprised? > to see it run without the "IF-THEN-ELSE inconsistency" error.l >" >sJ > > If you want DCL to be changed to generate a warning about this, report' > > it via your normal support channel.m >  >o > OK.t >e >tF > > The DCL_CHECK procedure mentioned in a prior reply will catch this problemoF > > and many others that may be lurking in your DCL procedures.  It is	 availablee > > on the FREEWARE CD.  >  >e > I'll check it out. Thanks. >L > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldmann$ > afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:53:58 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>E* Subject: Re: Interesting Alpha advertising+ Message-ID: <3CA0C3C6.347A8243@caltech.edu>    John Smith wrote:w > E > David Mathog  pointed out in a post some time ago, that the computesF > intensive high-performance buyers - and that includes the animation,H > high-energy physics, molecular modeling, fluid dynamics - read 'nucs',> > supercomputer centers, and crash simulation guys are whores.  9 I most certainly did not describe these people as whores!1  C I did say that they had little or no brand loyalty and would freelycA pick the best price/performance available at the time - except in@H those few cases (weapons labs) where they buy best absolute performance.J If your code uses PVM or MPI there's no reason at all not to go this way -> all it takes to migrate to a new platform is a recompile.  OneK can even migrate sort of VAXlike by adding new compute nodes of a differentDG type to an existing compute farm and removing older nodes whenever they' become too slow to bother with.- .    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:10:46 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e* Subject: Re: Interesting Alpha advertisingF Message-ID: <Gl6o8.8241$e94.8228@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  8 My apologies. My choice of a colorful phrase, not yours.  K In that market-space it isn't 'what have you done for me lately', it's 'howoE fast is your next box going to be and how low can you get the price'.h  L In any event, without leading edge performance (it's doubtful how fast earlyH generations of McKinley and its progeny will be) Compaq/HP can kiss thatG entire revenue stream goodbye. Funny thing too - it's a growing market. * Guess they just don't want to participate.      4 "David Mathog" <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message% news:3CA0C3C6.347A8243@caltech.edu...c > John Smith wrote:  > > G > > David Mathog  pointed out in a post some time ago, that the computenH > > intensive high-performance buyers - and that includes the animation,J > > high-energy physics, molecular modeling, fluid dynamics - read 'nucs',@ > > supercomputer centers, and crash simulation guys are whores. >s; > I most certainly did not describe these people as whores!e >eE > I did say that they had little or no brand loyalty and would freelyeC > pick the best price/performance available at the time - except in J > those few cases (weapons labs) where they buy best absolute performance.L > If your code uses PVM or MPI there's no reason at all not to go this way -@ > all it takes to migrate to a new platform is a recompile.  OneC > can even migrate sort of VAXlike by adding new compute nodes of ak	 differenthI > type to an existing compute farm and removing older nodes whenever theyC! > become too slow to bother with.e > .s >e
 > Regards, >s > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:52:47 GMTr* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>* Subject: Re: Interesting Alpha advertisingB Message-ID: <3Z6o8.180160$1g.14839199@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message@ news:Gl6o8.8241$e94.8228@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...: > My apologies. My choice of a colorful phrase, not yours. > H > In that market-space it isn't 'what have you done for me lately', it's 'howG > fast is your next box going to be and how low can you get the price'.  >eH > In any event, without leading edge performance (it's doubtful how fast earlysJ > generations of McKinley and its progeny will be) Compaq/HP can kiss thatI > entire revenue stream goodbye. Funny thing too - it's a growing market.r, > Guess they just don't want to participate.  I No surprise there:  whenever it has come down to a choice between casting F aside a promising market or developing the proprietary processor or OSE technology that would let them realize that promise, they've cast thecG opportunity aside every time.  Funny how they're willing to continue at-K least some technology development in the storage area, but of course that'st not as 'industry-standardized'.R  E Unfortunately, HP seems to suffer from the same debilitating ailment.wI Unless they get rid of Carly and cohorts fairly soon, I give them about 2pI years before they're pretty much only a Wintel supplier in their computerrE business and making money only on their printers plus whatever WintelnE service they can sell.  Just about as sad, and as avoidable, as DEC'so demise.r   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:47:38 GMTm4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Interesting Alpha advertising. Message-ID: <epao8.131786$702.25882@sccrnsc02>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message@ news:Gl6o8.8241$e94.8228@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...: > My apologies. My choice of a colorful phrase, not yours. > H > In that market-space it isn't 'what have you done for me lately', it's 'howG > fast is your next box going to be and how low can you get the price'.a >dH > In any event, without leading edge performance (it's doubtful how fast earlyuJ > generations of McKinley and its progeny will be) Compaq/HP can kiss thatI > entire revenue stream goodbye. Funny thing too - it's a growing market.t, > Guess they just don't want to participate.  K For reasons best known to CPQ and its customers, the firm continues to racktD up HPTC wins with Alpha (some examples are in recent articles on theK CUO-EMEA site at www.compaqusers.org). One would surmise that anyone buyinghK Alpha today figures that EV7/Marvel will offer leading edge performance for  the next several years.n   Beyond that, who knows.q   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:09:10 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a* Subject: Re: Interesting Alpha advertising' Message-ID: <3CA13A16.709A5CC8@fsi.net>:   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:A > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB > news:Gl6o8.8241$e94.8228@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...< > > My apologies. My choice of a colorful phrase, not yours. > >rJ > > In that market-space it isn't 'what have you done for me lately', it's > 'howI > > fast is your next box going to be and how low can you get the price'.e > > J > > In any event, without leading edge performance (it's doubtful how fast > early L > > generations of McKinley and its progeny will be) Compaq/HP can kiss thatK > > entire revenue stream goodbye. Funny thing too - it's a growing market.:. > > Guess they just don't want to participate. > M > For reasons best known to CPQ and its customers, the firm continues to rackeF > up HPTC wins with Alpha (some examples are in recent articles on theM > CUO-EMEA site at www.compaqusers.org). One would surmise that anyone buyingaM > Alpha today figures that EV7/Marvel will offer leading edge performance forq > the next several years.   H Yes, the customer frequently knows what is best for his/her business. As, "they"* say, "the customer is always right".   *: Exclusive of the Q.   > Beyond that, who knows.   B One might surmise that the Q are ... well, no, I won't say it. The1 reader can finish that sentence as each sees fit.f   -- V David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:52:35 -0500m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s* Subject: Re: Interesting Alpha advertising+ Message-ID: <3CA14202.DEE9DD4@videotron.ca>g   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:cM > For reasons best known to CPQ and its customers, the firm continues to rack F > up HPTC wins with Alpha (some examples are in recent articles on theM > CUO-EMEA site at www.compaqusers.org). One would surmise that anyone buyingeM > Alpha today figures that EV7/Marvel will offer leading edge performance for2 > the next several years.n  H Anyone who buys Alpha (especially wildfire) systems today is just simplyJ desperate for a fast chip and doesn't care about long term. Interestingly,N that ad mentioned DS10s as I recall, not exactly the fastest. Could it be that< Compaq is heavily discounting them to get rid of any stock ?  > Ironic that Alpha would become competitive once declared dead.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:15:06 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Interesting Alpha advertising. Message-ID: <eHbo8.132379$702.25478@sccrnsc02>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3CA14202.DEE9DD4@videotron.ca...C > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: J > > For reasons best known to CPQ and its customers, the firm continues to rackH > > up HPTC wins with Alpha (some examples are in recent articles on theH > > CUO-EMEA site at www.compaqusers.org). One would surmise that anyone buyingK > > Alpha today figures that EV7/Marvel will offer leading edge performance  for  > > the next several years.e > J > Anyone who buys Alpha (especially wildfire) systems today is just simplyL > desperate for a fast chip and doesn't care about long term. Interestingly,K > that ad mentioned DS10s as I recall, not exactly the fastest. Could it beW that> > Compaq is heavily discounting them to get rid of any stock ?  G Probably not. For an HPTC application where you can get by with a LinuxoB cluster, the DS10 offers much better bang for the buck than does a< Wildfire... or an as-yet unavailable GS640 or GS1280 system.   >0@ > Ironic that Alpha would become competitive once declared dead.  L Had it been declared (er, positioned, promoted, and MARKETED) as competitiveL a few years back, mayhap the architecture would not be dead in the post-EV79 era.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:51:11 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>* Subject: Re: Interesting Alpha advertisingB Message-ID: <j5do8.184550$1g.15373080@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagew( news:eHbo8.132379$702.25478@sccrnsc02... >o< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message' > news:3CA14202.DEE9DD4@videotron.ca...a   ...s  B > > Ironic that Alpha would become competitive once declared dead. >aB > Had it been declared (er, positioned, promoted, and MARKETED) as competitiveRD > a few years back, mayhap the architecture would not be dead in the	 post-EV79r > era.  L Had it been declared/positioned/promoted/MARKETED as competitive any time upI through June 24th, 2001, there would have been no reason on earth to have + declared it dead in any foreseeable future.f  C The blame lies squarely on Curly's stewardship (near three years ofdF consistent failure by now).  Expect similar idiocies to continue untilE enough customers vote with their feet to cause stockholders to demand L competent management (since the BoD, whether Compaq's or HP's, clearly isn't
 inclined to)."   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:15:09 GMT-4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>= Subject: Re: Is there going to be a VMS based kernel for NSK?n- Message-ID: <x29o8.139672$q2.13980@sccrnsc01>   - "Jon" <jsmyth69@hotmail.com> wrote in message 2 news:bbgu9uc35cdatag465b4ho66kd7ui0ktnb@4ax.com... > Hi,u >hD >   I was wondering if Compaq was ever going to develop a NSK kernel > that is VMS based? >  >   A Highly unlikely, and that's being optimistic. Endianess, lockstepaD dependency, etc would render this a supremely difficult undertaking.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:38:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a= Subject: Re: Is there going to be a VMS based kernel for NSK? , Message-ID: <3CA13EB4.960CBF37@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:sC > Highly unlikely, and that's being optimistic. Endianess, lockstep F > dependency, etc would render this a supremely difficult undertaking.  L Endianness isn't preventing HP from promising to integrate Tru64 into HP-UX.I So that wouldn't stop HP from announcing that some VMS functions would bes integrated into NSK.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 22:45:17 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e= Subject: Re: Is there going to be a VMS based kernel for NSK?e3 Message-ID: <DIU6IwCGGK+G@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  \ In article <3CA13EB4.960CBF37@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:tD >> Highly unlikely, and that's being optimistic. Endianess, lockstepG >> dependency, etc would render this a supremely difficult undertaking.c > N > Endianness isn't preventing HP from promising to integrate Tru64 into HP-UX.K > So that wouldn't stop HP from announcing that some VMS functions would bee > integrated into NSK.  # 	Preventing?  Major Kernel changes.8  B 	Remember when APMP was announced and Galaxy Software Architecture? 	was being explained?  VMS was the "first" to incoporate it and > 	the hope/idea was that Tru64 for sure would follow (some time> 	in the future).  Well, don't know if that is happening... and? 	their paradigm is set for making use of large CPU count boxes, @ 	so it doesn't seem as if Galaxy ever makes its way to Tru64 and+ 	from I understand they are fine with that.c 	o: 	Remember, Fred mentioned the impetus for Galaxy was this:  ^ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=366D4B85.94E0DC5%40star.enet.dec_nospam.com&output=gplain  @ "Galaxy - actually that's a marketing name, Adaptive PartitionedN Multi-Processing (APMP) is the product just about to ship in it's initial formO from Compaq on the OpenVMS Alpha TurboLaser (AlphaServer 8x00).  It is actually.K targeted downstream at future highly scaleable systems that will eventually L have hundreds of CPUs, a terabyte of memory, and potentially hundreds of I/OJ busses.  Worse, the hardware designers are designing these big-ass systems: using various forms of non-uniform memory and I/O access."  : 	So they knew the hardware was coming... how to handle it. 	v? 	Now as Fred, Glenn and Steve Zalewski have pointed out, (Steve A 	mentioning in an EET article 95% of the stuff was in there, thatu= 	other 5% required "brain surgery" on the OS) *STARTING* witheB 	a shared disk model, the evolution was apparent... shared memory,. 	i.e. shared everything now (as one model)...    	NSK isn't even shared disk.  > 	So if they can't use Galaxy, what do they want or what is of @ 	interest to them?  A DLM?  I don't think so, not if they aren't< 	sharing disks... from what we understand you are better offC 	with local locks for sure.. and since their hardware is always up,.B 	it is best for their model.  Which really raises some interestingB 	architectural questions/issues that time and again we have kicked 	around... L 	 7 	Galaxy has been waiting quite some time for Marvel ...9$ 	and it will shine on that platform.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:42:50 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>t Subject: Re: Lottery and VMS1 Message-ID: <r35o8.5354$je5.46406@nnrp1.uunet.ca>   9 "Peter Watkinson" <peterw@u.genie.co.uk> wrote in messageo, news:3c9fa2fe.15161187@news.cable.ntl.com... >...D > Is it VMS that runs on these systems worldwide? Are there a vax or >...  ! According to this recruitment ad;dL http://jobs.workopolis.com/jobshome/db/cc.job_posting?pi_job_id=5442304&pi_sG earch_id=139971706&pi_sort=POST_DATE&pi_curjob=10&pi_maxjob=13 (if that L wraps then try this instead; http://makeashorterlink.com/?W5451269) you needE to know VMS, AIX and True64 to work at the Ontario Lottery and GamingtJ Corporation. According to one person I know who used to do some Powerhouse9 (Cognos) programming there it is not a bad place to work.    -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:39:45 -0800v" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>@ Subject: Re: Low Level format of SCSI Disc in VaxStation 4000VLC/ Message-ID: <ua1j6coah03s39@corp.supernews.com>c   Chris Scheers wrote:  9 > Ralph Kloess <Ralph.Kloess@imkesun.de> wrote in message 6 > news:<gkaq9ugf0oj6kok7ono5qtglafp634sv9e@4ax.com>...
 >> Hello All,r >> gH >> I just got ahold of a VS4000-VLC and after finally finding a harddisc@ >> and a CD-Rom drive, the Standalone Backup complains about the >> filestructure on the disc.n >> yF >> I recal there is a command to low-level format the disc, so VMS can? >> use it. But for the life of me I can't remember the command., >> c* >> Is Somebodies memory better than mine?? >> nH >> BTW the disc is a Seagate ST32151N and the CD-Rom is a Plextor drive. >  > # > There can be several issues here.i > C > First, when you do the BACKUP/IMAGE, do NOT use the /NOINITIALIZEeC > switch.  If the disk can be initialized (high level) by VMS, thisy > should do it.  > G > There are a couple of SCSI MODE page settings that can cause trouble. E > IIRC, the error correction flags AWRE, ARRE, and RC should be zero.eC > Disks coming from the PC world quite often have these set to one.p > F > (I think that this restriction was removed at about VMS 6.2.  I know > that it exists in 5.5-2.)i > F > I have heard that some early versions of the VLC ROMs do not supportF > drives larger than 1GB.  I do not know whether or not this is reallyG > true, as none of my VLCs have this problem.  I have successfully usedw  > disks larger than 1GB on them. >   L I just installed a 2Gb Seagate Barracuda into my 4000 VLC.  No problems and J the amount of storage on line was reported as 2Gb.  Using VMS 6.2.  I did D have a 120Mb scsi harddrive (conner) in it and I used a power cable J splitter and a scsi ribbon cable with many tap offs on it.  You just have G to know where the terminators are and the scsi ID of the orginal drive.nL In the Conner drive tho, the terminator was built in solid so I moved it to I the end of the scsi chain and put the new drive in front and removed the  K terminator jumper.  Then I used your aforementioned method of transferring  L the images from the old to the new hard drive.  After that was accomplished K I put the new drive with the same scsi ID as the old one had and also left iH the terminator jumper in the default position.  Everything came up fine.    H > It may be that the devices you have on your SCSI bus do not get along.A >  This can be difficult to diagnose.  Make sure that all deviceshH > (including the VLC itself) have a unique ID and that no devices exceptF > the last one on the cable are terminated.  If the last device is not9 > terminated, ensure that an external terminator is used.  > H > Finally, a low level format may be needed.  To do this on the VLC, getG > to the console prompt (">>>") and enter the command "TEST/UTIL SCSI".n >   F I couldn't get to the console prompt because the vlc is set up with a I cross-over cat-5 cable to a PC.  I'm not that proficient with the prompt o mode.s  E > While a low level format is not OS specific, some parameters of thecH > format may affect the OS.  For example, the SCSI FORMAT command allowsH > different block sizes.  The VLC format uses parameters appropriate for > VMS. >  > Good luck! >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:18:41 GMTm1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>8 Subject: Re: lpd on OCE.' Message-ID: <3CA12E45.221BA9FB@fsi.net>s   Serge ZANGHERI wrote:  > ? > Hi I 'm trying to print on OCE 3155 from VMS 5.5 and ucx 2.0Du
 > (lprsetup).t > $ > First try, directly to the printer
 > /LPDIMP63:\ , >         :lf=/$96$DIA14/SYS1/UCX_LPD/.log:\ >         :lp=:\ >         :rm=163.187.179.161:\t >         :rp=A137imp63:\e( >         :sd=/$96$DIA14/SYS1/UCX_LPD/:\ > & > When I print a com file I got this : > $ first line >                $ second line0 >                                   $ third line > E > etc, etc the following lines are outside of the physical page :-(((  > ! > 2nd try via a printer server NTe
 > /LPDIMP63:\o, >         :lf=/$96$DIA14/SYS1/UCX_LPD/.log:\ >         :lp=:\ >         :rm=printers:\ >         :rp=A137imp63:\v( >         :sd=/$96$DIA14/SYS1/UCX_LPD/:\ > , > If I print this com file via  I got this :
 >  first line, >  second line
 >  third line' > A > seems good but the first charactere ($) is outside of the page.s > I > Do you know what parameter I have to modify to get one solution correctn > ?i > Thanxb    Well, V2.x of UCX is pretty old.  H You might try reposting to vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx and see if you get a response there...p   -- t David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:26:37 GMTa3 From: sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton)v Subject: Re: M$Access -> VMS. Message-ID: <NkHn8.11$M3.39@news-srv1.fmr.com>  4 I don't know if this qulaifies as a "hack" or not...  I M$Access allows you to "export" data into a .TXT file.  Could you FTP theuO contents of the TXT file(s) from the DB to VMS, and then manipulate the data as 	 you wish?   f In article <3C9F3343.1BF7DA6C@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:G >Silly question, but has anyone come up with a way to access a MSAccessaE >database from OpenVMS using either Perl or DCL?  I have a very smallnH >shop that is tied to an Access program and I need to read data from it.H >(Fortunately this is a very small shop).  I am hacking on a few things, >but no luck yet., >e >-- 	 >Regards,o >c8 >Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #2611638 >First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com >Sr. Consultanta >704-947-1089 (Office) >704-236-4377 (Mobile) >-- 	 >Regards,l >i8 >Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #2611638 >First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com >Sr. Consultant  >704-947-1089 (Office) >704-236-4377 (Mobile) >y   Bradford J. Hamilton& MAPSbradhamilton@MAPSattbi.com		(home)& sy18889MAPS@rabbit.MAPSfmr.com		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"c "Lose the MAPS"a   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 22:18:55 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)h: Subject: Monster Marvel Performance - headed our way . . .3 Message-ID: <fP8KZAfToQj+@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  & 	Bout time someone trotted this out...  F 	Marvel's performance potential isn't any great secret anymore... not < 	that it is out on the Web for one and all alike to gaze at:  5 www.eecs.umich.edu/vlsi_seminar/f01/slides/bannon.pdfh  + 	Check out slide 29, slide 30 and slide 31.i  ? 	At average latency of 157 ns and worst case latency of 175 ns, B 	for a "13" processor EV7 has better latency than most 4 processor@ 	boxes.  Bandwidth shows up in a frightening way.  Stream scales@ 	linerally.  That is unheard of!  Check out 32 processor results@ 	on slide 31.. 150000 GB/sec.  Compare and contrast Power4 (best 	out there) at 22000 GB/sec:  : 	http://www.cs.virginia.edu/stream/standard/Bandwidth.html  = 	Again, not to be overlooked... linear scaling in bandwdith, i 	unprecedented!  And yes....  M http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=C2AnvK.GB5%40news.udel.edu&output=gplain   & 		"It's the memory bandwidth, stupid!" 			-- John D. McCalpin  ? 	Average latency at 250 ns for 64 processors, worst case 391 nsiH 	for a single processor, 355 ns for 4 others, etc.  Compare and contrastB 	to 64 flat SMP boxes (at around 400 ns - best case - worst case - 	average ---- i.e. SMP!)  G 	But ah.... some applications are also very latency sensitive... so it @ 	is also a matter of latency!t  < 	The box will be winning all head to head benchmarks and for2 	most RFPs... all bake-offs!  Get used to it . . .   				Robn   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:27:32 GMTt* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>> Subject: Re: Monster Marvel Performance - headed our way . . .B Message-ID: <nDdo8.184921$1g.15408586@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:fP8KZAfToQj+@eisner.encompasserve.org...i   ...t  = > The box will be winning all head to head benchmarks and fora3 > most RFPs... all bake-offs!  Get used to it . . .   G Get used to it indeed:  there aren't going to be any more where it camevI from, so your next major step up will have to come from elsewhere (likelye IBM or, just possibly, AMD).   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 19:24:37 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>:P Subject: Re: New book: OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD, The Nonstop Webserver5 Message-ID: <20020326192437.4343.qmail@gacracker.org>m  H On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:K >> I'll try to remember that. I've never used OSU so I was not aware it was  >> available for VAX.  >sE >The source code is available.  In fact, I compiled my own, though I mI >didn't really look into the source code much---but I can't think of any eI >things off-hand which would be architecture-specific in the code, so by sE >default I would expect it to run on VAX, ALPHA, Itanium etc.  There m/ >might even be a single code, I don't remember.i  2 WASD is the same, I've got the source available atJ http://vmsbox.cjb.net/ht_root/src/*.* Mark also has it up on his web site,D and I believe some of the mirrors have it as well. These open-sourceK packages are likely to survive the type of disaster Bob references, and forlJ WASD I can also say that the source is well commented and tidily laid out.     Doc. -- u6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.netr   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:44:17 GMTa3 From: sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton)VP Subject: Re: New book: OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD, The Nonstop Webserver. Message-ID: <B2_n8.13$M3.50@news-srv1.fmr.com>   Hi Richard,r  M Encompass does indeed offer a discount on bh (Digital Press) books, to payinggJ members, if I'm not mistaken.  bh also offers a discount (although I would- assume the discounts are mutually exclusive).o  N The author notes - in a later reply in this thread - that the book will not be available until June.   N The bh (Digital Press) website makes note of this fact, but does not allow theK the customer to order the book; therefore, one cannot take advantage of thev> Encompass discount (or the discount offered by bh themselves).  I Anyone from Encompass or bh care to comment (or perhaps even to honor theE& discounts when the book is available)?   :-)t   In article <craig.berry-EBC1B0.21552725032002@news.directvinternet.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> writes:* >In article <3C9FC05C.C0890B1E@mchsi.com>,1 > "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@mchsi.com> wrote:e >t  >> Jean-Franois PIRONNE wrote: >> >  M >> > A new very interesting book which will be a valuable contribution to theC >> > VMS community.r >> > tQ >> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1555582648/qid%3D1017069087/104-614880 >> > 70-9011156  >> > T >> > Jean-Franois Pironnen >> aP >> How does the Amazon.com price (US$31.49) compare with the discount price fromK >> full Encompass members?  This is supposed to be a Digital Press book andiO >> Encompass gets some sort of discount (though I have yet to figure out how to & >> get it via the on-line purchase...) >eD >Just go to http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ and look for the Digital D >Press link.  It looks like the discount has been extended until 31 = >March (and has nothing to do with Encompass that I can see).-   Bradford J. Hamilton& MAPSbradhamilton@MAPSattbi.com		(home)& sy18889MAPS@rabbit.MAPSfmr.com		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"N "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 14:35:37 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n! Subject: Re: News Server Softwareo3 Message-ID: <j329HWtDPtCd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3CA099BA.9010207@bluevine.net>, Marc Chametzky <marc@bluevine.net> writes:I >> I am looking for a newsgroup server similar to ANU, but needs to scaleiG >> to full, near-realtime updates and support 1-2K concurrent requests.-I >> OpenVMS or Tru64 and any recommendations on which box(clustered) wouldo7 >> support this in an N+1 configuration is appreciated.I >  > = > I'm running DNEWS on my Alpha system and it's working well.e > R > JF Mezei posted that the file systems on VMS don't work well with "thousands of Q > file creation and deletion per day". That's true, but fortunately, DNEWS works cQ > with container files. My 32 GB news spool area actually consists of several 50 tT > MB container files so that individual file creation/deletion cycles aren't needed.    Hmmm.  The page Kerry mentioned:  8 	http://serverwatch.internet.com/reviews/news-dnews.html  & listed only non-VMS operating systems:  %                       WindowsNT Intelt&                       Windows NT Alpha                       Windows95                        Mac6                       OS2m+                       Sun Solaris 5.4 SPARC %                       Sun Solaris x86g                        Sun Sunos 1                       SGI (Silicon Graphics IRIX)e/                       ALPHA Digital Unix OSF/1 d                       Linux x86R#                       Linux x86 ELFo!                       FreeBSD x86.                       BSDI x86                       AIXp                       HPUX                       SCO Unix!                       NetWare NLM-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:48:01 -0500r- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>a! Subject: Re: News Server Softwareg1 Message-ID: <i85o8.5356$je5.46599@nnrp1.uunet.ca>t  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:j329HWtDPtCd@eisner.encompasserve.org...W >..." > Hmmm.  The page Kerry mentioned: >e9 > http://serverwatch.internet.com/reviews/news-dnews.htmlr >n( > listed only non-VMS operating systems: >...  F But if you read through the article it has a line saying "Versions areL currently available for Windows 95/NT, OS/2, Macintosh, VMS, Novell NetWare,L and a wide variety of Unix platforms." The FTP site Kerry mentioned also has@ VAX images on it as well as the Alpha images that he pointed to.   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:59:15 -0500r1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e! Subject: Re: News Server Softwarey1 Message-ID: <3CA0EF32.F9EA4BF@firstdbasource.com>r   Peter Weaver wrote:  > < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:j329HWtDPtCd@eisner.encompasserve.org...e > >...$ > > Hmmm.  The page Kerry mentioned: > >h; > > http://serverwatch.internet.com/reviews/news-dnews.html  > > * > > listed only non-VMS operating systems: > >... > H > But if you read through the article it has a line saying "Versions areN > currently available for Windows 95/NT, OS/2, Macintosh, VMS, Novell NetWare,N > and a wide variety of Unix platforms." The FTP site Kerry mentioned also hasB > VAX images on it as well as the Alpha images that he pointed to. >  > -- > Peter WeaverN > Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theM > company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.   D I have installed DNEWS "trial" version on a 2100/200 w/128Mb and oneH raid-5 12G drive(set) OpenVMS 7.2-1 TCPIP 5.1A.  Pricing is not too bad,D but I wouldn't mind an actual hobbyist license for my home system.    F There is one feature that is a two-edged sword and that is the feature= that the NG are not downloaded until read for the first time.n   Good: conserves disk space.oH Bad:  heaven help the poor soul that request a very active group for the first time.-  G DNEWS uses an "indexed" file container for each NG rather than one filelE per entry. Which makes it perform to the UNIX levels -- or so I woulda surmise.   --   Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163t7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.come Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)l 704-236-4377 (Mobile)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:35:02 -0500 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>e! Subject: RE: News Server SoftwaretT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4016CEC6F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  $ >>> Hmmm.  The page Kerry mentioned:  8 	http://serverwatch.internet.com/reviews/news-dnews.html  * listed only non-VMS operating systems: <<<  " Ahhhh .. Very good grasshopper :-)  = .. Exactly why I posted the pointer to the VMS download page:v, ftp://ftp.netwinsite.com/pub/dnews/vms/alpha   :-)U   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Compaq Canada Corp.b Professional Servicese Voice: 613-592-4660h Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=20d Sent: March 26, 2002 3:36 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi! Subject: Re: News Server Software     : In article <3CA099BA.9010207@bluevine.net>, Marc Chametzky <marc@bluevine.net> writes: F >> I am looking for a newsgroup server similar to ANU, but needs to=20F >> scale to full, near-realtime updates and support 1-2K concurrent=20A >> requests. OpenVMS or Tru64 and any recommendations on which=20 B >> box(clustered) would support this in an N+1 configuration is=20 >> appreciated.a >=20 >=20= > I'm running DNEWS on my Alpha system and it's working well.n >=20F > JF Mezei posted that the file systems on VMS don't work well with=20 > "thousands ofaD > file creation and deletion per day". That's true, but fortunately, DNEWS works=20E > with container files. My 32 GB news spool area actually consists ofe
 several 50=20nE > MB container files so that individual file creation/deletion cycles  aren't needed.    Hmmm.  The page Kerry mentioned:  8 	http://serverwatch.internet.com/reviews/news-dnews.html  & listed only non-VMS operating systems:  %                       WindowsNT Intelw&                       Windows NT Alpha                       Windows95s                       Mach                       OS2m+                       Sun Solaris 5.4 SPARCt%                       Sun Solaris x86t"                       Sun Sunos=201                       SGI (Silicon Graphics IRIX)i1                       ALPHA Digital Unix OSF/1=20t                       Linux x86n#                       Linux x86 ELFo!                       FreeBSD x86                        BSDI x86                       AIXa                       HPUX                       SCO Unix!                       NetWare NLM,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:39:50 -0500"- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>b! Subject: Re: News Server Softwarer, Message-ID: <3CA13F05.EB4C357E@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:A >         http://serverwatch.internet.com/reviews/news-dnews.htmla, > listed only non-VMS operating systems: <<< > ? > .. Exactly why I posted the pointer to the VMS download page:.. > ftp://ftp.netwinsite.com/pub/dnews/vms/alpha  K What does that say about the commitment of an ISV when their VMS version is2
 well hidden ?8   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:40:05 -0500l+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>i! Subject: RE: News Server Software T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4016CEC76@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  D >>> What does that say about the commitment of an ISV when their VMS version is well hidden ?<<  G That they simply have not noticed a text error / ommission on their web6 page?   4 Did you email the webmaster to point it out to them?   Thx,    
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.c Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20: Sent: March 26, 2002 10:40 PMS To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! Subject: Re: News Server Software      "Main, Kerry" wrote:A >         http://serverwatch.internet.com/reviews/news-dnews.html , > listed only non-VMS operating systems: <<< >=20B > .. Exactly why I posted the pointer to the VMS download page:=20. > ftp://ftp.netwinsite.com/pub/dnews/vms/alpha  H What does that say about the commitment of an ISV when their VMS version is well hidden ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:47:03 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ... 0 Message-ID: <3CA0C0D6.1F1F214F@blueyonder.co.uk>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  - > < > Solaris is free on SPARC machines so the IP stack costs 0.; > Do you give commercial licences for OpenVMS away for frees  > last time I looked you didn't.  @8 If free advice is worth every penny you pay for it, what" does this say about free software?  < Sorry, having a bad day, lucky the agents have all gone home/ because I'm getting sick of their bullshit too.h   -- p tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 19:29:54 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>e3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...i5 Message-ID: <20020326192954.4435.qmail@gacracker.org>m  6 On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy3 <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote:R >JF Mezei wrote: >l >> Fred Kleinsorge wrote:e >> uM >>>harder time because of familiarity and availability -- VMS was designed toCL >>>be secure, and is old enough, and mature enough to have had a significant3 >>>number of it's vulnerabilities found and fixed. # >>>3 >> r >> A >> cP >> Not to belittle the quality of VMS' security, but should one characterize theM >> TCPIP Services for VMS (which came from Unix) to be "old enough and maturei >> enough" ????8 >> P >a >tA >No unless you think that no CERT advisories = no vunerabilities.t >  >l >POD, SMURF OOBD etc.S  H C'mon Andrew, how many CERT advisories has Solaris had over the last ten years?  K Last count I heard was over 400, and you can manage to cite 3 problems withd VMS. Where's the competition?8     Doc. -- r6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 19:37:59 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>o3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...a5 Message-ID: <20020326193759.4680.qmail@gacracker.org>r  9 On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:r6 >"Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote in message" >news:a7dubi$qp7$1@lore.csc.com... >>M >> Granted.  Tests like these are by no means exhaustive or comprehensive butd" >> I guess do make good marketing. >> >03 >Something Compaq has not done effectively for VMS.r >a9 >So why not use Defcon 'results' as  something to market?i   Indeed, why not?  G Anyways, I have it on good authority that the good 'ole boys from Texas.I will be there again this year. Giving the hackers an opportunity to learn"C VMS is one of the reasons I provide shell accounts and this will beoJ advertised to them before the event. So, this year the hackers can't claimI they've had no opportunity to learn the OS before coming up against it at  DefCon.e  K I'll admit though, looking for exploits in VMS is probably like looking fore5 a non-ferrous, yellow-coloured, needle in a haystack.t   Doc. -- w6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net-   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 15:26:46 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...-3 Message-ID: <xSogIybAgDQA@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  } In article <3CA09E41.5020802@sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> writes:   B > No unless you think that no CERT advisories = no vunerabilities.  G    It's time to bury this one. I get a ton of advisories from a varietyrF    of sources, and most of them post what they find whether the vendor    has responded or not.  E    Just because CERT publishes vendor responses does not mean we rely-)    on the vendor to admit there's a hole.2  F    Just because CERT didn't publish doesn't mean somebody else didn't.  F    Something usefull you CAN do is scan back over my posts in the lastE    couple months and tell us why only our Suns have had the followingT    problems:  A       1)  crash on file system full, repeatedly ("Solaris is not l<       	  supposed to do that."  I was suprized when it did.)  E       2)  crash on spurious data from the time server, repeatedly (I fC       	  couldn't even find any other system that let time wander.)c  H    OBTW, none of our other systems from any vendor had the above issues.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:26:49 +1100 * From: "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com>3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ... ' Message-ID: <a7ronb$43k$1@lore.csc.com>t  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageu7 news:d7791aa1.0203220556.4c464d3a@posting.google.com...eN > Example:  How long have we waited for a port of SSH?  That has been directlyL > > requested many I time.  I understand there is a good deal of engineering effortF > > to get this sort of stuff into VMS, and we will just have to wait. >eF > ssh has been on tcpware now for over a year ... where have you been?  N bahaha (sorry, couldn't help myself).  Try explaining that to all those peopleO who (rightly or wrongly) by a new AlphaServer with TCPIP Services and then lookN for the SSH Server.   M (and yes, I know you can go and grab David Jones' SSH Server (for SSH1) as wev do).  N Let's face it, TCP/IP is now a fundamental part of computing.  Compaq realisedL this when they threw a whole heap more engineering/reengineering effort into4 TCPIP 5.0 (after a quiet period of many, many ECOs).  N The point I was originally trying to make is that other operating systems giveM you a lot more functionality (for free) out of the box, so you have to accepttK you'll need to proactively patch your servers.  Why laugh at them for that?f  N VMS has traditionally been - by a base license, get nothing, then by some userJ licenses, then maybe some networking, then perhaps Motif, then perhaps a C. compiler (don't get me started on that one ;).  L No, I'm not trying to be cheap, just realistic.  I know you get what you payP for, so don't hack on the people who pay nothing for an internet capable desktop< commerce server (but may have to patch it a bit more often).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:31:13 +1100t* From: "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com>3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...V' Message-ID: <a7rovi$47g$1@lore.csc.com>m  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message-J > > Netfilter is an advanced packet filter.  It lets you filter just about anythingO > > IP, and allows you to do neat things like use your machine as a firewall ors NATb > > router.  > >sC > > If you want to know more, check out http://netfilter.samba.org/s > > J > > It is built into the kernel for speed, not security.  It is an age old	 debate asJI > > to whether this sort of thing should go into the kernel or userspace.l > > N > > I think it's things like this that linux users get for free that stops VMS fromJ > > ever getting a look in.  VMS is very good at what it does: providing a secure,cP > > reliable platform for enterprise applications.  That is why I don't think weL > > should dump on other OS's for being insecure, because they are trying to achieve H > > something I don't think VMS ever will: to be on everybody's desktop. >n2 > I can already do that with TCPware ... big deal!  2 Exactly what of the above can you do with TCPware?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:25:01 -0800:" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS port to Intel - video now on line/ Message-ID: <ua1iaos1r1pebc@corp.supernews.com>e   Tim Llewellyn wrote:   >  >   > system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> rF >> In article <JFFn8.1446$fL6.28448@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski"' >> <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:t- >> > This is a good video and worth your timee- >> >http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/w >> > >> >warm regards,e >> > >> >suee >> > >> > >> > >>  L >> Can you get it converted to an MPEG so that we non-weendoze types -- like; >> those of use that actually still use VMS -- can view it?l >   F > A higher quality streaming version for those of us with DSL wouldn'tD > go amiss, either. The text is quite difficult to read on the modem > quality version. >     H I'm on cable and it still was a poorly done presentation.  Their server G only pumped out at 45kb/sec.  Other presentations I've seen from other  J companies came down at around 880Kb/sec and were a lot better and clearer  as well.  F > Don't know quite what to make of this, I found it quite positive butH > the last sentence sends me the message they are not after new markets. > B > Every Compaq salesperson should be forced to watch regularly ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:44:57 -0500.2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS port to Intel - video now on lineJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-2603022044580001@1cust49.tnt4.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  O In article <00A0B780.889EC753@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:r  D >In article <JFFn8.1446$fL6.28448@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski"$ <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:+ >> This is a good video and worth your timem+ >>http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/e >> >>warm regards,m >> >>sue  >> >> >> >:K >Can you get it converted to an MPEG so that we non-weendoze types -- like d9 >those of use that actually still use VMS -- can view it?h  P The CD version has a Macintosh partition that contains the video in MPEG format.  F I don't know how the quality compares to the online one, since I'm notF going to download a nasty realplayer program and let it fiddle with my system.h  J But the MPEG version on CD is kind of huge -- 57 MB.  I don't know if that would be wecome on a web page.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 11:36:41 -0800) From: peter.ellis@nordx.com (Peter Ellis)-/ Subject: Oracle media - v 7.1.x for OpenVMS VAX:= Message-ID: <91a6f0e5.0203261136.3f306cff@posting.google.com>e  F Posted this at comp.databases.oracle.misc to no avail.  Hoping someone+ here can point me in the right direction...    Some background:E  - we're upgrading our Alpha OpenVMS Oracle server to 8i (in doing som we loseo1    the ability to make DECnet SQLnet connections):B  - one of our clients (VAX OpenVMS version 6.2) runs Oracle client	 7.0.16.4, B    which does NOT include SQLnet TCP/IP support for DEC/Compaq UCX product F  - we need to upgrade the VAX Oracle client to one of 7.1.3.2, 7.1.3.4 orF    7.1.5.2.4 in order to make UCX SQLnet connections under OpenVMS 6.2  B However, we do not have this media (nor have I been able to find a
 source for it within Oracle).  C I'm hoping someone out there knows of a source (perhaps even withinw Oracle?) for old media releases.o   Thanks in advance,  " Peter Ellis, peter.ellis@nordx.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:31:41 +0400"4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>6 Subject: Re[2]: SW Command Console for Raid array 30003 Message-ID: <962116738.20020327083141@ncc.volga.ru>r  / On 26.03.2002 Hans Vlems <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote:a  E > Ah, that is good news. I tried hyperterm and the only respons I gotu > was the string:i   > ?01n  N > The question mark is probably an escape character. I'll try your suggestion,F > but if you can be just a little more precise that would be welcome ! [snip]  F   Hans, you need to set communication to 9600,8,n,1,XON/XOFF and enterA Escape/& (escape key, shift+7 keys) and you should see banner andhB password prompt. Default password is DECRAID. Though IIRC it's not cli-based but menu-based.t   -- c   Valentin Likouma   valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:36:35 GMT " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>3 Subject: Re: SW Command Console for Raid array 3000v0 Message-ID: <754o8.376$6w3.7723@typhoon.bart.nl>  C Ah, that is good news. I tried hyperterm and the only respons I got  was the string:    ?01:  L The question mark is probably an escape character. I'll try your suggestion,D but if you can be just a little more precise that would be welcome !   Hans  2 David Wicker <dwicker1@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:bf12aa59.0203260657.3d7da9be@posting.google.com... D > Since the last RA3000 swcc client was released in early 1999 it isG > highly unlikely youre going to find it. If you have a compaq presalesp= > or service rep it can maybe be obtained internally from themH > ESAD(enterprise storage array division) group. Some have access to the > internal store for that.D > Or you can just use the CLI to configure it with hyperteminal. YouF > just have to know the initial key stroke to change its communicationE > mode from SWCC to direct other wise it will not respond on a serialrG > connection. I used to know it but i forgot it was like ctrl-esc-q  or  > something like that. >n >n >i1 > "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr> wrote in messageN/ news:<dEXn8.1491$fL6.29416@news.cpqcorp.net>...=6 > > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message" > > news:3ca04324$1@zfree.co.nz... > > >e> > > > We are trying to connect a Raid Array 3000 controller toJ > > > an Alpha VMS system (VMS 7.3). The RA3000 must be configured  with a3 > > > separate tool: software command console V2.x. F > > > We currently have V1.1 only and that doesn't work (no connectionC > > > established, across a serial connection from a W95 platform).TB > > > We're looking for a URL to download SWCC V2.x, any pointers? > >-	 > > Hello  > >t > > tryo > > L http://www5.compaq.com/products/storageworks/storage-management-software/swc > > cdownload.html > >  > > Regards  > > 
 > > Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:37:15 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>8+ Subject: Re: System software status utility $ Message-ID: <3ca0f86b$1@news.si.com>  : >Way too vague a problem, with way too many choices.  EachA >application probably has it's own requirements for what is meanto> >by "up" - connect to an IP port, connect to a decnet port, is> >there a process called "ABC" running, is there a queue called >"XYZ" running, etc etc etc.  L Yeah, and how do you tell if the C compiler is "up"?  That doesn't even make sense. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comv= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventt< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:38:25 -0500v; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> + Subject: Re: System software status utility $ Message-ID: <3ca0f8b1$1@news.si.com>  H >The downside is that they only appear to provide a VAX/VMS client, not  >an Alpha/VMS version.  / We VAX users don't see any downside to that :-)F -- 7A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comsA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comi= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventm< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Mar 2002 17:23 CST3' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)K+ Subject: Re: System software status utilityg- Message-ID: <26MAR200217233544@gerg.tamu.edu>v  d In article <3ca0f86b$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes...; }>Way too vague a problem, with way too many choices.  EachtB }>application probably has it's own requirements for what is meant? }>by "up" - connect to an IP port, connect to a decnet port, iso? }>there a process called "ABC" running, is there a queue calledv }>"XYZ" running, etc etc etc.a } M }Yeah, and how do you tell if the C compiler is "up"?  That doesn't even make- }sense.- }---B }Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com  A DEC C has a DECC$STARTUP.COM file. It installs the compiler imageo? and massage file. (Although it will work without running this - 8 it is the "DEC C optional startup procedure" after all.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:47:47 -0500e2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: System software status utility J Message-ID: <rdeininger-2603022047480001@1cust49.tnt4.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  4 In article <3ca0f86b$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman", <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote:  ; >>Way too vague a problem, with way too many choices.  EachlB >>application probably has it's own requirements for what is meant? >>by "up" - connect to an IP port, connect to a decnet port, isy? >>there a process called "ABC" running, is there a queue calledO >>"XYZ" running, etc etc etc.s >.M >Yeah, and how do you tell if the C compiler is "up"?  That doesn't even make0 >sense.   = You could run the IVP.  Isn't that what it's for?  If you buyuI "installation services" for a layered product, isn't a successful IVP runhA all that's required.  (Do they still sell installation services?)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:59:10 -0800g# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>l$ Subject: RE: tcpip5.1  smtp question9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEOLEGAA.tom@kednos.com>,  L So is there a way for SMTP to not reject messages for which there is only anL MX record?  In other words when Reject-Unbacktranslatable-IP:   TRUE can youA select or characterize the class to accept, other than A records?D   > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Thomas H. Pauli [mailto:thomaspauli@arcor.de]a' > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:50 AMo > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como% > Subject: Re: tcpip5.1 smtp questione >m >iJ > Well, MX records are for finding a gateway to _send_ a mail (you need toE > know a gateway to send mails with particular addresses to) but this.I > unbacktranslateable stuff happens when mails are _received_ by the SMTP0E > server of your host. Is simply checks if something (DNS, UCX local)jF > 'knows' the IP number of the sending server (gateway). If it doesn'tC > 'know' it, you can force it to reject this mail with this switch. B > NSLOOKUP queries your DNS for "IN A" or "IN MX" entries which is' > slightly different to what SMTP does.. >. > Thomas >a > Tom Linden wrote:s >rG > > So is this then the expected behaviour of the antispamming featuresaE > > of 5.1?  I'm not sure about the point you raise, I guess my point D > > was the while nslokup failed, nslookup -q=MX returned a name, IPF > > relation.  Shouldn't that be adequate for spam protection?  If so,% > > how does one get this configured?h > >a > >v > >h > >>-----Original Message-----7 > >>From: Thomas H. Pauli [mailto:thomaspauli@arcor.de]d) > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 8:24 AMh > >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come' > >>Subject: Re: tcpip5.1 smtp questiony > >> > >> > >>Hi Tom,o > >>K > >>AFAIK SMTP tries to translate the IP-address of the IP-node which triesiE > >>to send this mail. Isn't this completely different from that what C > >>NSLOOKUP does? Dosn't the behavior of NSLOOKUP simply mean thatw
 > there isD > >>  a MX record and no host-name/IP-address relation ind yor DNS ? > >>
 > >>Thomas > >> > >>Tom Linden wrote:a > >> > >>- > >>>on AXP 7.3 I have in my SMTP.CONFIG file.) > >>>Reject-Unbacktranslatable-IP:   TRUEl > >>>sF > >>>Now what seems to happen is that if someone has an MX record onlyD > >>>the message is rejected. Thus NSLOOKUP fails but NSLOOKUP -q=MX > >>>does not. > >>>.F > >>>How does SMTP actually function when this field is set TRUE?  Any? > >>>thoughts on how to fix the problem is greatly appreciated.  > >>>g > >>>n > >>>i > >>>f > >>>a > >>>  >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:32:49 +0100r2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)$ Subject: Re: tcpip5.1  smtp question; Message-ID: <3ca12f51.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>s  " Tom Linden (tom@kednos.com) wrote:* > on AXP 7.3 I have in my SMTP.CONFIG file& > Reject-Unbacktranslatable-IP:   TRUE > C > Now what seems to happen is that if someone has an MX record onlylB > the message is rejected. Thus NSLOOKUP fails but NSLOOKUP -q=MX  > does not.   G We seem to have been on the wrong track here. My mail-only domain isn't F what upsets your mail server. It seems that my ISP sends the mail fromD a system with a non-registered IP. That's perfectly legal practice -/ it's just that it's used by so many spammers...r  > > How does SMTP actually function when this field is set TRUE?   Quoting the docs:6  G   You can configure SMTP to translate the client's IP address to a host :   name, and to disconnect the link if no host name exists.  H "client" here refers to the system that connects to your SMTP to deliver mail.1  @ > Any thoughts on how to fix the problem is greatly appreciated.  F As long as there are ISPs that don't register their mail systems, thatD feature will produce false positives. Switch it off or live with the5 fact that some people will have their emails bounced.u   cu,    Martin --  F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Mar 2002 22:51:57 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: Testing DNEWS, Message-ID: <a7qu2d11q93@enews1.newsguy.com>  2 Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:H > This is cool.. my  first foray into installing a news server on my DSL
 > connection.o  : > It showed up in about .2 seconds on the upstream server.  G So, what's your reaction to DNEWS?  I've been thinking of buying a copyo2 for my VMS Server.  How difficult to setup was it?   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:49:24 -0500m1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>p Subject: Re: Testing DNEWS2 Message-ID: <3CA14144.80B41CBD@firstdbasource.com>  C Actually it is relatively easy to install, once you get some of theyF hints down to make it really suck!!  (Sucking is a feature of DNEWS asF in: to suck the NG to your server from some upstream server... so this	 is good!)-   add these to DNEWS.CONF:           suck_batchn 1000         suck_batchsize 10000000          suck_requeue trueu  F and it won't take as long to pull any individual NG.  The good news is= that it will only pull those groups to which someone accessese (subscribes) using your system.   ? Getting it set up only took 15-20 minutes.  I spent a few hours E inquiring (Thanks Marc Chametzky!!) to get it to download faster.  IfaH your provider has more than one NG server, I found that they are usuallyE not in sync, but DNEWS will suck from both to ensure all articles are G retrieved.  For Binary groups you can have it download headers only andoG then will get the body at the time you read it.. makes it a bit slower,t@ but tolerable and requires less disk space.  And as always YMMV.   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > 4 > Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:J > > This is cool.. my  first foray into installing a news server on my DSL > > connection.  > < > > It showed up in about .2 seconds on the upstream server. > I > So, what's your reaction to DNEWS?  I've been thinking of buying a copy'4 > for my VMS Server.  How difficult to setup was it? >  >                 Zane   --   Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163a7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.coms Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)r 704-236-4377 (Mobile)o   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Mar 2002 15:31:15 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey Questionn3 Message-ID: <$ftJN+mORXhO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <Xns91DD7C827957Dacsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>, Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net> writes:  D > Thought I would kill a couple minutes at lunch answering a Compaq & > survey and ran across this question: > > > Q: Which Compaq systems do you use? (Check all that apply)   > 3 > One of the possible selections was the following:r > D >    [] AlphaServer systems (AlphaStation workstations, VAX systems,1 >                            PDP systems, etc.)  l >  e > B > I think either someone is confused about the differences between > Alpha, VAX, and PDP   D    I was so happy they mentioned something non-Proliant, I gave them    a Mulligan on that.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Mar 2002 22:48:45 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>= Subject: Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey Questiono, Message-ID: <a7qtsd01q93@enews1.newsguy.com>  " Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net> wrote:D > Thought I would kill a couple minutes at lunch answering a Compaq & > survey and ran across this question:  > > Q: Which Compaq systems do you use? (Check all that apply)    3 > One of the possible selections was the following:0  D >    [] AlphaServer systems (AlphaStation workstations, VAX systems,1 >                            PDP systems, etc.)    >  r  B > I think either someone is confused about the differences between > Alpha, VAX, and PDP   C > OR they really meant "legacy Digital products" and didn't want toa' > get harassed for putting it that way.g   > -Andy- > --    H What, you're not using PDP's still? :^)  A lot of companies still do, ofK course one would think they'd be talking to Mentec rather than Compaq about J the PDP-11's.  If something can do the job, why waste the money to replaceJ it (especially considering what it would cost to qualify a new system in a lot of cases).  L Unfortunatly I've a feeling you're right about the "legacy Digital products" :^(G   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:27:13 -0500b- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e= Subject: Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey Questionr, Message-ID: <3CA103C9.C8DD388D@videotron.ca>   "Zane H. Healy" wrote:G > What, you're not using PDP's still? :^)  A lot of companies still do,.  K You know, what we should all do is to write scripts that fill the form withgD lost of different information, but with one common field: PDP11 use.  G Can you imagine Comapq's reaction when it finds that it still has aboutC 100,000 PDP11 users ?????-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:23:24 +0100  From: "marsup" <gci@free.fr> Subject: tuxedor% Message-ID: <a7qov2$aj0$1@wanadoo.fr>e   Hello,  $ is any one using tuxedo on VMS 7.3 ?! did you encountered any problem ?r  H I'm planning to upgrade from VMS 7.2 to VMS 7.3 and I'm using Tuxedo 6.5   thank for any replye   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:47:33 -0500e; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> 8 Subject: Re: Unable to receive Internet mail on VMS node$ Message-ID: <3ca0fad6$1@news.si.com>  E >A disk that was supposed to be there - Mounted and functioning is noaE >longer there so the SYLOGIN.COM would bomb out! and would not get tod >the next command procedure -e  # That's why SET NOON is your friend.. -- .A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comhA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coma= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:18:23 GMTt From: "ti" <tsfip@hotmail.com>5 Subject: Wanted: VMWare Workstation 3.0 Serial Number.7 Message-ID: <zCco8.21256$n8.20209@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>a   Hi, = Does anybody have a serial number for VMWare workstation 3.0?.   Thxu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:19:55 -0500 5 From: CoolSweeps.net<coolsweeps@coolsweeps.mxsys.net>m Subject: Welcome To Coolsweeps" Message-ID: <5058500@MVB.SAIC.COM>  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">$ <META name="Ad" content="&KeyCode;">   <html> <body> <br>S CoolSweeps.net is a leading permission based email site offering the greatest dealsuO <br>available on the net. 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This message was delivered to you because you requested previously from another website to be notified of special offers from preferred partners like CoolSweeps.net.</P> X <img src="http://www.coolsweeps.net/o.asp?ca=1305&sc=3249&em=63557610" width=1 height=1>( <!--/////63557610///&Email;///45/////--> <!--DISCLAIMER--></BODY> </html>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:56:39 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)I Subject: Re: [OT] US/Europe living costs, was: Re: VMS sys admin salaries J Message-ID: <rdeininger-2603022056390001@1cust49.tnt4.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  ? In article <87henkwm6g.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholie <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  4 >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >-D >> When I was in the hospital 2 days prior to Fall '99 DECUS (kidneyE >> stone), a room and care (blood/urine tests, MRI, Iv saline and one0D >> shot of morphine) for roughly 48 hours came to somewhere close to >> $6,000 U.S. > E >> This past week, a blood draw and battery of blood tests (trying tooB >> track down a hormone imbalance) came to some $240 + $40 for the >> office visit. >qF >Hum, I was in hospital for 24 days. 4 hrs OR, 10 days ICU, 14 days on* >ward. Total cost, $130 for the Ambulance.  G Hmm.. I think you are confusing "cost" and "price".  I suspect the coste6 was more than $130, but someone else payed most of it.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.169 ************************