1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 29 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 173       Contents:4 Air Fare For TWO $49.95 - $10.00 to Affiliates  2990! Analyse/system like tool for unix 2 Re: Announcing a boot contest for OpenVMS on Intel2 Re: Announcing a boot contest for OpenVMS on IntelH Re: Cluster Alias no longer working/DECnet phase IV Next Node 0 question Re: DCPS version 2.0 Re: DCPS version 2.0 Re: DCPS version 2.0 ftp passive mode Re: ftp passive mode Re: Good IBM Ad  Re: Help! TCP/IP problems * Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems.* Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems.* Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems.* Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems.* Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems. Re: help!!! compilation issue ! Hewlett sues to block Compaq deal  How do I close open ports? Re: How do I close open ports? Re: How do I close open ports? Re: How do I close open ports?F Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinuxF Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinux4 Re: INCONMMGST, Inconsistent memory management state: Installing Compaq C++ Version V5.6 for OpenVMS VAX Systems: Installing Compaq C++ Version V5.6 for OpenVMS VAX Systems Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles5 Re: Monster Marvel Performance - headed our way . . . 8 Re: NetBeans 3.2.1 on VMS (was Excursion (DECterm) API?)  NEW DS10L's - DEC Boxed USD 1899 Re: News Server Software Re: News Server Software Re: News Server Software* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...* Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...P RE: OpenVMS on ItaniumT Architecture - the path forward  7.2MB st	ream	ing mediaP Re: OpenVMS on ItaniumT Architecture - the path forward  7.2MB stream	ing media.P Re: OpenVMS on ItaniumT Architecture - the path forward  7.2MB stream ing media. Re: SDLT parity errors$ Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????@ The Hewlett Packard/Compaq proxy fight has reached all-time lows4 Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey Question4 Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey Question VAX 6000 320 ?'s) VAX, PDP-11 books plus 1985 Annual Report   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:33:49 +0000 (UTC)  From: zqrghg@sapo.pt= Subject: Air Fare For TWO $49.95 - $10.00 to Affiliates  2990 0 Message-ID: <a811sd$18tk5$766@news1.netpass.com>   Dear Webmaster,     ; We invite you to join the NEWEST and MOST PROFITABLE TRAVEL " Affiliate Program available today.  > We offer one of the highest commission rates, $10 on any sale.  B We also offer an amazing 60 RETURN DAYS, one of the longest in the affiliate program industry!   > We provide travelers with vacation certificates that include aN special offer of 2, airfare round trip tickets, for only $49.95. Travelers canK choose from 27 different destinations both in the USA as well as in Europe.   A Our Affiliate Program is designed to allow you, the affiliate, to M increase your cash flow by providing you with a highly sellable product at an J unheard of price, so if you're interested in making some extra money click1 the link below to request additional information.   & Go Ahead It's FREE and Makes You Money   http://208.222.225.126  B xmotyitooneiotuotthwnlrusgkpvsomllkgpwereydtmlptdvwtgpoesfxxewyoho   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2002 20:09:39 -0800! From: hemanir@yahoo.com (Anamika) * Subject: Analyse/system like tool for unix= Message-ID: <5130f039.0203282009.5b85fe22@posting.google.com>    HI, E    Is there a analyse/system like tool for unix. I mean as good as it > is on VMS with comparable features. Any kind of unix would do.  7 I know about adb,kadb,sdb etc., they just don't cut it.    Thanks,  -A   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:14:26 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>; Subject: Re: Announcing a boot contest for OpenVMS on Intel C Message-ID: <mYJo8.299215$uv5.25942632@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message - news:oSIo8.1639$fL6.31660@news.cpqcorp.net...  > Dear Newsgroup,  > G > We now have a booting contest up on the web.  Give it your best shot. + > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/   > Does the winner get to boot Curly (and, if applicable, Carly)?   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:37:16 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> ; Subject: Re: Announcing a boot contest for OpenVMS on Intel ' Message-ID: <3CA370EC.9010700@mmaz.com>   & --------------0208070004010103020308059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Bill Todd wrote:  > >"Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message. >news:oSIo8.1639$fL6.31660@news.cpqcorp.net... >  >>Dear Newsgroup,  >>G >>We now have a booting contest up on the web.  Give it your best shot. + >>http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/  >> > ? >Does the winner get to boot Curly (and, if applicable, Carly)?  >   I Probably not but the winner can probably expect a real nice HP Pavillion  G PeeCee running Windows XP because if they do merge and run with Compaq  G since they lead HP in the 'build-to-order' department, HP will have to    dump their PeeCee's somewhere...   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028       & --------------020807000401010302030805) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    <html> <head> </head>  <body> Bill Todd wrote:<br>Y <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:mYJo8.299215$uv5.25942632@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com"> 2  <pre wrap="">"Sue Skonetski" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.com">&lt;susan.skonetski@compaq.com&gt;</a> wrote in message<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:oSIo8.1639$fL6.31660@news.cpqcorp.net">news:oSIo8.1639$fL6.31660@news.cpqcorp.net</a>...<br></pre>   <blockquote type="cite">     <pre wrap="">Dear Newsgroup,<br><br>We now have a booting contest up on the web.  Give it your best shot.<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/">http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/</a><br></pre>     </blockquote> d     <pre wrap=""><!----><br>Does the winner get to boot Curly (and, if applicable, Carly)?<br></pre>     </blockquote>      <br>H Probably not but the winner can probably expect a real nice HP PavillionL PeeCee running Windows XP because if they do merge and run with Compaq sinceK they lead HP in the 'build-to-order' department, HP will have to dump their  PeeCee's somewhere...<br>      <br>	 Barry<br> 6     <pre class="moz-signature" cols="$mailwrapcol">--   D Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President &amp; CIO    E-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Treahy@mmaz.com">Treahy@mmaz.com</a> * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028</pre>      <br>     </body>      </html>   ( --------------020807000401010302030805--   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2002 05:55:08 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Q Subject: Re: Cluster Alias no longer working/DECnet phase IV Next Node 0 question 0 Message-ID: <87it7gl5mr.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ) "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov> writes:     E >      We have an AlphaStation 255 4/232 that was recently moved from C > behind a network bridge to our main network.  It has been copying C > files via DECnet phase IV to another cluster on our network using > > the cluster alias.  Since the move, the cluster alias is notC > working, but copies can be done directly to specific nodes in the D > remote cluster.  The cluster alias still works from other nodes in8 > our network.  As a workaround, I have defined a system  C The bridge is blocking on of the DECnet routing protocol types. Not D the main DECnet one, but another of the set. Add that to your bridge and you should be happy.     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:33:18 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: DCPS version 2.0 5 Message-ID: <1020328173023.1634A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   $ On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, JF Mezei wrote:   > sms@antinode.org wrote: E > >    The release notes say, "This is Version 5.6C of the Compaq C++ 6 > > compiler."  Date appears to be about October 1999.  ? The latest VAX Layered Products CD set (March 2002) has VAX C++ @ V5.6C on it, according to the Master Index.  (I haven't actuallyF mounted the CD to see if there is really a later version on the disk.)  V > Interesting that they say Compaq C++, but the copyright and all the rest is Digital. > > 8 > >    A quick attempt at installation on VMS V7.2 gave: > > 	 > > [...] - > > %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match  > O > Same here.  The culprit is VMS$ROOT logical which gets properly defined early J > on, but somehow gets deassigned between the display of some text and the0 > checking for the size of vmi$root:dcltable.exe   Haven't tried installing it...   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:25:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: DCPS version 2.0 , Message-ID: <3CA3A665.AD41BBA6@videotron.ca>  : > > >    A quick attempt at installation on VMS V7.2 gave: > > >  > > > [...] / > > > %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match   I I was wrong with my initial conclusion. It seems that VMI$ROOT is defined K properly. I had used P4 of the VMSINSTALL to have letterd D and K and I had J written "DKHELLO" But as it turns out, "O" causes VMI$ROOT to point to theW SYS0. instead of SYS0.SYSCOMMON. and then lots of stuff broke in the install procedure.   L Now, I have narrowed down the problem to a subroutine in the kitinstall thatN tries to deassign certain logical names that might conflight with the install. (CXX_SAFE_DEASSIGN :)   K It used F$TRNLNM to find out is a logical exists in the system table and if ( so, does a DEASSIGN/SYSTEM logical_name.  J Problem occurs when the logical is defined in EXEC or higher mode. F$TRNLM: will find its translation, but DEASSIGN/SYSTEM won't work.  M One possibility is to get F$TRNLNM to return the mode and use that to further  refine the DEASSIGN command.    J However, I am not too comfortable with that installation procedure messingJ around with exec logical names such as DEBUGSHR since that would require a reboot afterwards.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:47:02 -0600 C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>  Subject: Re: DCPS version 2.0 H Message-ID: <craig.berry-F29C4B.17470128032002@news.directvinternet.com>  5 In article <1020328173023.1634A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, "  John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:  & > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, JF Mezei wrote: >  > > sms@antinode.org wrote: G > > >    The release notes say, "This is Version 5.6C of the Compaq C++ 8 > > > compiler."  Date appears to be about October 1999. > A > The latest VAX Layered Products CD set (March 2002) has VAX C++ B > V5.6C on it, according to the Master Index.  (I haven't actuallyH > mounted the CD to see if there is really a later version on the disk.)  G The kits are available here, and indeed it looks like there is nothing   for VAX later than V5.6C:   6 <ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/C-CXX/openvms/cxx/>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:14:31 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>  Subject: ftp passive mode = Message-ID: <XILo8.10034$K52.1758981@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>   L We need to receive data from a customer, but they are telling our programmer' they requrire is to be in passive mode.   1 We are using AlphaVMS 7.2-1 w TCPIP v 5.0A eco 3.   K What is "passive mode"?   Is it recommended, or to be avoided?  Where can I  find more about this?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:05:40 +0100 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr>  Subject: Re: ftp passive mode ' Message-ID: <3CA393B3.667C071B@free.fr>   1 From http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security.html    II.1.1 FTP Passive Mode   8 [ Top ] [ Contents ] [ Appendix Contents ] [ Glossary ]   K FTP is one of the few well-known Internet services that requires the use of O multiple connections. As described above, FTP originally required the server to P establish the data connection to the client using a destination address and portH provided by the client. This method of operation does not work with Port Filtering Firewalls.    O More recently, FTP was extended to support "passive mode". When passive mode is D use the connections for the data channels are created in the reverseM direction. Instead of the server establishing a connection to the client; the K client establishes a second connection with server as the destination. This 
 works justM fine as long as the client is behind the firewall and the server is in public S address space. If the server is behind a firewall then the traditional mode must be L used. If both the client and server are each behind their own Port Filtering4 Firewalls then data channels cannot be established.   F This is supposed to be solved by the use of Content Aware Firewalls orM Application Layer Gateways. However, was the command channel is encrypted the 7 Firewall is unable to view the IP address information.    C In Kermit, the use of passive mode is controlled with the command:    "   SET FTP PASSIVE-MODE { ON, OFF }  $ The default is to use passive mode.  [end of quote]   D.; (Available worldwide for DCL programming in active mode :-)        "John N." wrote: > N > We need to receive data from a customer, but they are telling our programmer) > they requrire is to be in passive mode.  > 3 > We are using AlphaVMS 7.2-1 w TCPIP v 5.0A eco 3.  > M > What is "passive mode"?   Is it recommended, or to be avoided?  Where can I  > find more about this?    --  H   ----------------------------------------------------------------------H MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlH Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670H 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418  H Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseH On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2002 05:20:58 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Good IBM Ad0 Message-ID: <87n0wsl77p.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   A >    IBM is quite certain they already own the world.  That's why B >    they're one of the few companies Bill Gates cant push around.  
 ::boggle::> Would you care to repeat that to some one from the OS/2 group?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:52:38 -0600 , From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>" Subject: Re: Help! TCP/IP problems3 Message-ID: <a80rll$vkr$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>   I I recall TCPIP V5.0 having a significant number of problems; upgrading to K V5.0a (or in our case declining to upgrade past UCX V4.2 until V5.0a became F available) was essentially mandatory.  I'm not aware of a V5.0 - V5.0aI update kit that is available for download, and the ECO kits I've seen are H all for V5.0a.   I think you might need to locate the V5.0a kit (or V5.1; depending on the version of VMS you are running).  Sorry.../   Rich Jordan   ) sword7@speakeasy.org wrote in message ...e3 >Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:  >> TCPIP> HELP SET ROUTE >eC >Ok, thank you for help.  I sucessfully set route to 192.168.0.1 as D >gateway.  When I tried to telnet my machine, my tcpdump showed thatB >ARP packet finally came out of my emulator and my machine repliedA >ARP packet with hardware address info back to my emulator.  Then C >it happened nothing.  Telnet is waiting for connection forever....e@ >I checked 'tcpip arp -a' and I was told that ARP request is notB >complete (not responsive from my machine).  Does anyone recongize8 >that problems?  It looks like interrupt issue problems. >p >Thank you!, >s
 >-- Tim Starkg >j >--l- >Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgrK >--------------------------------------------------------------------------sF >"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, thatI >whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.s/ >Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)m   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2002 21:07:17 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>83 Subject: Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems.e* Message-ID: <a800m5$4e1$1@news1.Radix.Net>  4 Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  H > support to VWS.  There was no standard ANSI definition for this, so weE > created a DEC-specific set of ANSI compliant sequences.  These then N > propagated into both "real" terminals, DECterm, and other non-DEC emulators.F > Xterm, on the other hand, "hacked" in some invalid escape sequences.  D hmm - aside from the misuse of ST (string terminator) for the title,@ what else may you be referring to?   Your work on DECterm, to beB in the proper time-relationship for those comments would of course have to be before 1988...e  H (iirc, the first time I saw a usable vt100 emulator on a workstation wasE in 1983, roughly 800 lines of Pascal - still more than the ~250 linese& you suggest in the preceding article).   -- l= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>n http://dickey.his.comq ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2002 21:14:44 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>-3 Subject: Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems.0* Message-ID: <a80144$4e1$2@news1.Radix.Net>  # GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:0 > Thomas Dickey wrote:    >> http://dickey.his.com/vttest/ >> ftp://dickey.his.com/vttest/  >> eK >>> you start up as 'Eterm &'.  It seems to work about the same as PuTTY on  >>> the windows side.o >> o" >> actually both have limitations. >> n  K > But on the vax side do you have your vax inquire as to the terminal type e2 > you are using and setting it to that vt series??  H Eterm doesn't respond to some of the control sequences needed to pretendF it's a vt220 (or even a legitimate vt100, which should ignore properlyH formatted sequences which it does not support).  rxvt is a little better1 in that regard, gnome-terminal and konsole worse.    -- e= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.come ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2002 21:17:11 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>k3 Subject: Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems.i* Message-ID: <a8018n$4e1$3@news1.Radix.Net>  C In comp.os.vms Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote::L > IMHO, this is because most of the people who write these things have neverG > actually picked up a copy of the old ANSI specs.  Nor do many of them I > contain a real ANSI parser.  The xterm developer, for example, liked tos9 > create non-ANSI compliant escape and control sequences.w  5 a few examples would be more informative than a rant.'  N > Emulating a VT52 can be done with about a screen page worth of code, a VT100H > in probably 5 times as much - and is easy to get right.  VT200/300/500( > requires a *lot* of code to get right.  F judging by the number of poor vt100 implementations, it is not easy to
 get right.   -- s= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>1 http://dickey.his.como ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2002 21:19:37 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>p3 Subject: Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems.a* Message-ID: <a801d9$4e1$4@news1.Radix.Net>  = In comp.os.vms JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:0  M > you can override those settings with SET TERM/PAGE=24/WIDTH=80 for instancec/ > (or larger numbers if your window is bigger).E  I I used to use an Ann Arbor Ambassador to log into a VMS host.  Had to set I the pagesize, but iirc, cobbled together some code to make the host queryiD the terminal to set the pagesize.  It wasn't quite vt100-compatible.   --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2002 00:01:53 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>3 Subject: Re: Help! VT100 emulators - some problems. , Message-ID: <a80ath31n7t@enews3.newsguy.com>  * In comp.os.vms sword7@speakeasy.org wrote:D > Does anyone know any X11-based terminal software for Linux that isJ > completely compatible with OpenVMS v7.2 system?  How about VT200, VT300," > etc? Eterm? GnomeTerminal? etc..  F I use the xterm with the following shell script (someone, I forget whoI posted it here a few years ago). ftp://zane.brouhaha.com/pub/vms/vt100.sh H You might need to swap the key mappings for the left and right arrows (I+ swear it changes between Linux distro's).     / I also have the following line in my LOGIN.COM:b $ set term /dev=vt100/insert  J The combination of the two works very well for me.  Except for the missingD keys above the keypad (which I've got mapped to do a couple things).   			Zanec   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:19:18 +0100a- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@free.fr>9& Subject: Re: help!!! compilation issue& Message-ID: <3CA396E6.7BC276A@free.fr>   Fromc http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/V40F_HTML/AQTLTBTE/DOCU_061.HTM#cast_opp   6.4.6 The Cast Operator   L The cast operator forces the conversion of its scalar operand to a specifiedG scalar data type, or to void . The operator consists of a type-name, in 6 parentheses, that precedes an expression, as follows:    ( type-name ) expression  J The value of the expression is converted to the named data type, as if theN expression were assigned to a variable of that type. The expression's type andM value are not themselves changed; the value is converted to the cast type for L the duration of the cast operation. The type-name has the following syntax:    type-name: >  %    type-specifier abstract-declaratorr  O In simple cases, type-specifier is the keyword for a data type, such as char ord7 double, and abstract-declarator is empty. For example: t   (int)x;a  N The type-specifier can also be an enum specifier, or a typedef name. The type-K specifier can be a structure or union only if the abstract- declarator is a1M pointer. That is, the type-name can be a pointer to a structure or union, but8R cannot be a structure or union because structures and unions are not scalar types.  
 For example:    # (struct abc *)x   /* allowed     */-  # (struct abc)x     /* not allowed */>  F The abstract-declarator in a cast operation is a declarator without an< identifier. Abstract declarators have the following syntax:    abstract-declarator:        empty    abstract-declarator    * abstract-declarator    abstract-declarator ( ).    abstract-declarator [ constant-expression ]  ? The abstract-declarator cannot be empty in the following form: t   (abstract-declarator)h  K Abstract declarators can include the brackets and parentheses that indicate Q arrays and functions. However, cast operations cannot force the conversion of anytG expression to an array, function, structure, or union. The brackets andoQ parentheses are used in operations such as the following example, which casts theo+ identifier P1 to pointer to array of int : d   (int (*)[10]) P1;1  O This kind of cast operation does not change the contents of P1 ; it only causes Q the compiler to treat the value of P1 as a pointer to such an array. For example,hO casting pointers this way can change the scaling that occurs when an integer is- added to a pointer:    int *ip;2 ((char *)ip) + 1;   /* Increments by 1 not by 4 */  O Cast operators can be used in the following conversions that involve pointers: m  K A pointer can be converted to an integral type. A pointer occupies the same C amount of storage as objects of type int or long (or their unsigned K equivalents). Therefore, a pointer can be converted to any of these integerPP types and back again without changing its value. No scaling takes place, and the- representation of the value does not change.    L Converting from a pointer to a shorter integer type is similar to convertingM from an unsigned long type to a shorter integer type; that is, the high-orderk# bits of the pointer are discarded. g  P Converting from a shorter integer type to a pointer is similar to the conversionL from a shorter integer type to an object of unsigned long type; that is, theM high-order bits of the pointer are filled with copies of the sign bit. DEC C,iN with the check option enabled, issues a warning message for cast operations of this type. o  L A pointer to an object or incomplete type can be converted to a pointer to aP different object or a different incomplete type. The resulting pointer might notO be valid if it is improperly aligned for the type pointed to. It is guaranteed,vO however, that a pointer to an object of a given alignment can be converted to a M pointer to an object of the same alignment or less strict alignment, and back P again. The result is equal to the original pointer. (An object of character type! has the least strict alignment.) t  O A pointer to a function of one type can be converted to a pointer to a functiontL of another type and back again; the result is equal to the original pointer.  P If a converted pointer is used to call a function that has a type not compatibleA with the type of the called function, the behavior is undefined. t [end of quote]   D., Available to cast VMS operators worldwide...     Andy Lo wrote: > D > I'm trying to use both 32-bit and 64-bit pointers on a VMS system. >  > Here is my system.! > -------------------------------n > $cxx /versionh! > -------------------------------n > . > Here is the simple program I try to compile.! > -------------------------------n > #include <iostream.h>  > 
 > void main()e > {S* >   cout << "This is just a test" << endl; > }l! > -------------------------------m >  > Here is how I compile it.n! > -------------------------------u+ > cxx /model=ansi /pointer_size=32 test.cxx-! > -------------------------------2 > # > Here is the error/warning messageA! > -------------------------------T* >   cout << "This is just a test" << endl; > ..^ G > $CXX-W-WAYLOSEDATA, cast from long pointer to short pointer will lose  > data.c= > at line number 5 in file $7$DKB100:[ANDY.TESTING]TEST.CXX;1O! > -------------------------------M > G > It's only a warning.  It creates a TEST.OBJ file so I can use that toaH > link.  But I'm worry some unknown stuff will screw me later.  It'll beH > nice if someone can give me a solution.  Otherwise, a good explanation7 > is good too.  If not, any idea/suggestion is welcome.r >  > Thanks in advance. >  > Andy   -- yH   ----------------------------------------------------------------------H MORANDI Consultants  -  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.htmlH Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 (0)79 705 4670H 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.  GSM: +33 (0)6 7983 6418  H Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseH On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:05:40 -0500   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com* Subject: Hewlett sues to block Compaq deal4 Message-ID: <C2256B8A.00686994.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  > --0__=5S09Wue1pHbNKedDI4ko3iCKNqBXWDldctVSCe2ur5PoC5vgFQhl9xCN, Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline + Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printabler    H                                                                        =         =20/H                                                                        =         =20sH                                                                        =         =20vH                                                                        =         =20yH                                                                        =         =20oH                                                                        =         =20 H  Hewlett sues to block Compaq deal HP board member and opponent of deal=  says   =20eH  suit raises issues about the proxy vote on merger.                    =         =20rH  March 28, 2002: 1:29 PM EST                                           =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20tH                                                                        =         =20sH  NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Walter Hewlett, the dissident Hewlett-Packard d= irector =20fH  who led the proxy challenge against its proposed purchase of Compaq Co= mputer, =20tH  has taken his fight to the courthouse.                                =         =20nH                                                                        =         =20nH                                                                        =         =20eH  In a brief statement Thursday, Hewlett, the son of one of HP's co-foun= ders,   =20OH  said he has filed a lawsuit that "raises issues about the process by w= hich    =20eH  Hewlett-Packard solicited votes for the approval of the proposed merge= r with  =20iH  Compaq Computer Corp -- particularly from large institutional stockhol= ders    =20iH  including Deutsche Bank.''                                            =         =20iH                                                                        =         =20uH                                                                        =         =20-H                                                                        =         =20uH                                                                        =         =20 H  The legal challenge is the latest twist in what has been one of the bi= tterest,=20eH  most publicly-fought proxy contests in recent memory. And it is not   =         =20sH  unexpected, considering how close the outcome of the HP vote appears t= o have  =20+H  been.                                                                 =         =20DH                                                                        =         =20sH                                                                        =         =20oH  Last week HP executives claimed that they had won the support of a "sl= im but  =20eH  sufficient" majority of shareholders for the proposed $21 billion deal= ,       =20 H  although it will take weeks before an official tally is returned.     =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20lH  Hewlett maintained that the vote remains too close to call.           =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20mH  A copy of the complaint, which Hewlett said was filed in the Delaware = Chancery=202H  Court, was not immediately available.                                 =         =20VH                                                                        =         =20oH                                                                        =         =20rH  In his statement, Hewlett said the suit's aim is "to ensure that the u= ltimate =20iH  outcome of the HP stockholder vote on March 19 was determined in a ful= l, fair =20TH  and lawful manner," and that it asks the court to expedite the proceed= ings.   =20wH                                                                        =         =20eH                                                                        =         =20 H  That the suit names Deutsche Bank specifically is not entirely unexpec= ted.    =20.H                                                                        =         =20rH                                                                        =         =20rH  Deutsche Asset Management reportedly had voted its block of roughly 30=  million=20<H  HP shares against the deal prior to the March 19 deadline but then cha= nged its=20-H  vote at the last minute. In a proxy vote, shareholders can fill out an= d submit=20hH  multiple ballots, or proxies. But only the latest-dated one counts.   =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20MH                                                                        =         =20lH  HP called the suit "completely without merit" and said it planned to  =         =20dH  vigorously defend it. However, the company said it had not received a = copy of =20nH  the complaint and therefore could offer no comment on any specific cla= ims.    =20qH                                                                        =         =20EH                                                                        =         =20 H  "We find it regrettable that Mr. Hewlett has chosen to resort to basel= ess     =20 H  claims without regard to the impact of his false accusations on HP's b= usiness =20sH  reputation and employees," HP said in a statement. "We continue our pr= ogress  =20 H  in planning for a successful integration of our merger with Compaq. We=  look   =20lH  forward to the receipt of the certified vote result from the HP shareo= wner    =20iH  meeting, which we expect within a few weeks."                         =         =20yH                                                                        =         =20mH                                                                        =         =20eH  Compaq shareholders overwhelmingly supported the deal, approving it by=  a      =200H  margin of 9-to-1. It generally was expected that the deal would breeze=  through=20tH  the vote by Compaq shareholders because of the premium HP has agreed t= o pay   =20oH  for the company and the fact that the deal was unopposed.             =         =20tH                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20sH  Shares of HP (HWP: up $0.08 to $17.85, Research, Estimates) were littl= e       =20rH  changed in morning trading Thursday, while shares of Compaq (CPQ: down=  $0.29  =20eH  to $10.31, Research, Estimates) were off about 3 percent. =A0(Embedded=
  image    =20cH  moved to file: pic28901.gif)                                          =         =20-H                                                                        =         =20r              H                                                                        =         =20iH                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20 H  Find this article at:                                                 =         =20TH  http://money.cnn.com/2002/03/28/news/deals/hewlett/index.htm          =         =20rH                                                                        =         =20          =b  @ --0__=5S09Wue1pHbNKedDI4ko3iCKNqBXWDldctVSCe2ur5PoC5vgFQhl9xCN--   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2002 12:55:04 -0800 From: tims@rpls.ws (tims)i# Subject: How do I close open ports? = Message-ID: <786694c0.0203281255.47cac55a@posting.google.com>h  D How do I see what ports are open. We are being pegged as having open relay by ORDB.ORG.   How do I stop relaying?-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:59:54 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>l' Subject: Re: How do I close open ports?s' Message-ID: <3CA3844A.7060907@mmaz.com>    tims wrote:J  E >How do I see what ports are open. We are being pegged as having opene >relay by ORDB.ORG.R >A >How do I stop relaying? > I You are confusing terminology.  Open SMTP relays have nothing to do with bH open TCP or UDP ports, rather your SMTP server is set to allow spammers F to send messages to your SMTP server which it then in turns sends the I SPAM to the desired target, presuming that the target is outside of your yI domain.  If the target e-mail addresses are in your domain, then even if :I your SMTP server is properly configured you will most likely receive the 0 SPAM.T  D Since you provided very little details as to which IP stack you are H using as well as any third-party mail exchanges, it is tough to be more  specific....   Barrys     -- p  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028m   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:28:43 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk' Subject: Re: How do I close open ports?f+ Message-ID: <a80cfr$nvj$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>s  Y In article <786694c0.0203281255.47cac55a@posting.google.com>, tims@rpls.ws (tims) writes:tE >How do I see what ports are open. We are being pegged as having openi >relay by ORDB.ORG.e >e >How do I stop relaying?  M This isn't really an open ports issue (unless you don't want to receive SMTP oN mail in which case you need to turn off your mailserver). Being an open relay O means that you are allowing people from outside your organisation to send mail rL through your mail system to people outside your organisation. Systems which + allow this are often exploited by spammers.   J Generally you want your mail system to accept mail destined for your localJ users from anywhere on the Internet. You also generally want to allow yourO local users to send mail out to anyone on the Internet. Hence just blocking whooN can access your mail port or stopping your users from accessing other machines mail ports is not the answer.   O You need to look at your mail servers documentation. This should explain how topN stop your system being an open relay. Basically the mail system needs to checkH where the connection came from and where it is going. It then blocks theK connection if it originated from outside your organisation and is going to  N someone outside your organisation. The details of how you configure this will K vary depending on the mail server software whether part of the TCPIP stack oI (ie DEC TCPIP services, TCPWARE, MULTINET) or MTA product (ie PMDF , MX).     y
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:10:49 -0500t1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>p' Subject: Re: How do I close open ports?n2 Message-ID: <3CA3F759.48F0E9A1@firstdbasource.com>   What TCPIP stack are you using?x  ( in TCPIP 5.0+ to close  the "relay" use:  % TCPIP SET CONFIG SMTP /OPTION=NORELAY* TCPIP DISABLE SERVICE SMTP TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE SMTPd       tims wrote:n > F > How do I see what ports are open. We are being pegged as having open > relay by ORDB.ORG. >  > How do I stop relaying?*   -- c Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163n7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comm Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)c 704-236-4377 (Mobile)a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:06:34 GMTr* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>O Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinux,B Message-ID: <_QJo8.121447$Gf.11640071@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:d7Ho8.1628$fL6.31505@news.cpqcorp.net... J > Now, now Bill.  We all remember your "real" threat of domestic terrorism > following 9/11.t  J Yeah - and that was *before* the fuck-offs in the Administration (and muchL of the rest of the country, it appears) demonstrated just how hell-bent they! were on resurrecting McCarthyism.r   >)H > Having tea and scones with Andy-Pandy, insulting the Queen and EnglishI > honor - I don't think would cause much of a ripple on the terror-meter.t  / I've just *got* to start using those smileys...    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:10:25 GMT)* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>O Subject: Re: HP's viewpoint on Linux, was: Re: Sun eating major helping ofLinux ? Message-ID: <BUJo8.8562$VJ1.782618@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>.  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:fkHo8.1630$fL6.31493@news.cpqcorp.net... J > Join right in with us.  Getting into mud would be a step up from some of > your earlier posts ;-) > 2 > Andy the SunWipe(tm) just caught me on a bad day  = OK, that's one WWF-style moniker:  what should the others be?l   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:48:29 -0500s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)= Subject: Re: INCONMMGST, Inconsistent memory management state K Message-ID: <rdeininger-2803021948290001@1cust159.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>i  ? In article <a7vke7$oe1$1@helle.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher"r <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> wrote:m   >Hi, >iB >Has DEC launced a new phase in the NT affinity program or what??? >eK >Another Alpha 7.3 FAST I/O test and yet another blue screen of death crashe >:-( >   K Are you up-to-date on patches?  Fast I/O has been a bit of a moving target.t  B >Can anyone shed any light on the following or is it support time?  7 If you have a support contract, then it's support time.a  J If you're impatient, start by making sure your dump file is big enough  --& at least the autogen-recommended size.  J >The crash occurs when two users have the global section mapped and bufferG >objects created and one of them has already called $io_setup. When the.& >second user tries to call it *KABOOM* > H >Reproduceable at will and happy to post/mail approx 1400 lines of code.  A Can you reproduce it with parameter SYSTEM_CHECK enabled, or withe< POOLCHECK if you can't stand to run with the extra weight of SYSTEM_CHECK?  See -' SYSMAN HELP SYS_PARAM for more details.m  H These parameters cause VMS to boot with special images that keep tracingD information for key internal events.  Your system crashed because itJ detected an "impossible" internal state, and could not continue reliably. J In most cases, the cause of the corruption happened some time in the past,C and only the symptoms remain at the time of the crash.  The tracingoD information _might_ reveal the actual corruption as it happens.  TheE sooner the system crashes after the corruption occurs, the better theoI chance that the significant event will still be in the traceback buffers.e  H But this is hardly worth detailing in the newsgroup if you have support.F The support folks will jump you through whatever diagnostic hoops they% expect to be useful in this instance.   H I'm sure the support folks will appreciate the reproducer code.  I don't see much point in posting it.i  D The crash summary below doesn't tell me very much.  The OS committed- suicide when it detected internal corruption.-  ( This is way too complex for a newsgroup.       >Crashdump Summary Information:- >------------------------------.+ >Crash Time:        28-MAR-2002 12:12:01.64 D >Bugcheck Type:     INCONMMGST, Inconsistent memory management state) >Node:              xxxxx    (Standalone) ( >CPU Type:          AlphaStation 255/300 >VMS Version:       V7.3 >Current Process:   _FTA15:i7 >Current Image:     $1$DKA0:[MAHER_R]TEST_BUFFS.EXE;112 = >Failing PC:        FFFFFFFF.80066E68    MMG$IMGRESET_C+002485% >Failing PS:        20000000.00000202yI >Module:            SYSTEM_PRIMITIVES_MIN    (Link Date/Time: 17-MAR-20018
 >03:26:52.79)v >Offset:            00040E68 >e   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:26:49 -0600 (CST)- From: sms@antinode.orgC Subject: Installing Compaq C++ Version V5.6 for OpenVMS VAX Systems ) Message-ID: <02032820264980@antinode.org>   - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: DCPS version 2.0   N > Now, I have narrowed down the problem to a subroutine in the kitinstall thatP > tries to deassign certain logical names that might conflight with the install. > (CXX_SAFE_DEASSIGN :)       Yup.  It's a loser.   > [...] L > However, I am not too comfortable with that installation procedure messingL > around with exec logical names such as DEBUGSHR since that would require a > reboot afterwards.  A    I found the DEFINEs in SYS$STARTUP, so I tried it again after:    deas /sys /exec DEBUGSHR deas /sys /exec DEBUGUISHR  +    It gets further, but there's more to do:2   [...]10     Providing CXX command support and HELP files  H %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, File VMI$ROOT:[SYSHLP.CXX$HELP]*.*  does not exist.> %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of CXX V5.6 has failed.  =    It makes one wonder if anyone tried an installation before  distributing the kit.w  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)tC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:06:51 -0600 (CST)d From: sms@antinode.orgC Subject: Installing Compaq C++ Version V5.6 for OpenVMS VAX Systems ) Message-ID: <02032822065135@antinode.org>h  B    Ok.  One more (probably the last) mystery solved.  This (fatal)
 complaint:  H %VMSINSTAL-W-NOFILE, File VMI$ROOT:[SYSHLP.CXX$HELP]*.*  does not exist.  G happens when it tries to clean out SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.CXX$HELP], and it E gets a warning if there's nothing there.  The procedure then gets too B upset by the -W- severity, and quits.  I assume that if you have aH previous version of C++ installed already, there'll be something there. H I hadn't, but it seems to have been sufficient to put something there so: that the (over-brittle?) KITINSTAL.COM would be satisfied.      So, the net seems to be:   + $ deassign /system /executive_mode DEBUGSHRt- $ deassign /system /executive_mode DEBUGUISHR2  C $ if f$search( "SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP]CXX$HELP.DIR;1") .eqs. "" then -t1    create /directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.CXX$HELP]o  / $ copy NL: SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.CXX$HELP]FRED.NUL2      _Then_, try VMSINSTAL.   E    When it finishes (not quick on a VAXsta 3138), restore the logical  names.  Reboot, or:   9 $define/system/exec/nolog debugshr sys$share:debugshr.exe = $define/system/exec/nolog debuguishr sys$share:debuguishr.exe=  0    Yours might be different, so you might check:  1 search /match = and sys$startup:*.com  debug, shrs  D    As a hobbyist, the price is right, and the availability is better@ than usual, but if I were paying money for this, I'd be annoyed.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)eG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:06:28 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles A Message-ID: <oBLo8.106314$7b.9574774@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>t  > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:... > 7 > "Nick Maclaren" <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message , > news:a6qlsa$mvo$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk... > > * > > In article <3C8CD90B.1010307@sun.com>,H > > Andrew Harrison <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun.com> writes: > > |> Paul DeMone wrote:h > > |>L > > |> > Why would Intel expect to capture desktop PC market share with a 64 > bit J > > |> > chip it designed for the technical workstation and server market? ThecL > > |> > real question for Intel is that level of integer performance so lowK > > |> > as to become an issue vis a vis the 64 bit RISC processors it will  go > > |> > up against. > > |> >J > > |> > It definitely won't beat the EV7 and it somewhat lags the 1.3 GHz > POWER4F > > |> > running one CPU with 128 MB cache. But it clearly exceeds the integer F > > |> > performance of US-III, R14K, PA-8700, and EV6. I think it's a > non-issue. > > |>. > > |> Where does this information come from ?E > > |> Intel have only clearly indicated that Mckinley will be fasteraD > > |> than a 400 Mhz Ultra IIi. At least if their own presentations > > |> are to be believed. > >,A > > Not so.  They have stated that it will be 70% faster than the B > > Itanium on SpecInt, and all reports are that the McKinley willB > > be 1.5-2 times faster than that chip.  Also, you get about theA > > same factors from a realistic analysis of the changes (in the 2 > > clock speed, pipeline length, bandwidths etc.) > > @ > > Exactly how fast it will go is unclear, but we have a pretty' > > good idea of its approximate range.p > K > The major detail that surfaced recently is that Intel's claim may be thatdL > it's 70% faster on SPECint (with code recompiled for McKinley, rather thanJ > running code compiler for Merced) *per clock* than Merced, in which case itL > would be 2.1+ times as fast absolutely at 1 GHz (i.e., around 800 SPECint,G > though consensus expectations seem to be more in the 650 - 700 area).   ( Just to follow up on a couple of points:  K First, I haven't heard the qualification 'per clock' used again, so - well,  why don't we *know* yet?  K Second, Paul DeMone recently commented in a discussion at realworldtech.comoL that he was told by an authoritative source that IA32 performance *had* beenK improved on McKinley to (IIRC) 1/3 to 1/2 native performance.  If true, and D if native performance comes out as expected, this would put McKinleyF executing IA32 code in around Pentium III 600 MHz territory (250 - 300J SPECint2K) - only about 1/3 as fast as the current IA32 leaders, but quiteG possibly fast enough to be useful in Windows environments (until HammerlH makes its cost/performance look ridiculous) as long as you don't load itJ down with a predominantly IA32 application mix (i.e., justify the purchase4 price by some real need to run 64-bit applications).  G But, again, why don't we know by now?  Isn't this thing supposed to hit " volume ship in a couple of months?   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2002 21:53:40 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 0 Message-ID: <a803d4$i7g$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  A In article <oBLo8.106314$7b.9574774@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,n) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:w >>L >> The major detail that surfaced recently is that Intel's claim may be thatM >> it's 70% faster on SPECint (with code recompiled for McKinley, rather than K >> running code compiler for Merced) *per clock* than Merced, in which case  >it M >> would be 2.1+ times as fast absolutely at 1 GHz (i.e., around 800 SPECint, H >> though consensus expectations seem to be more in the 650 - 700 area). > ) >Just to follow up on a couple of points:  > L >First, I haven't heard the qualification 'per clock' used again, so - well, >why don't we *know* yet?2  D My impression is that the "per clock" rumour was a misunderstanding,@ and that it is absolute.  If so, I should expect initial SpecInt figures to be more like 600.  E We don't know, because even Intel realised they made a laughing stock B of themselves over the Itanic, and have gagged all their employees@ on the subject of McKinley performances and dates.  And that the@ current McKinley chips are engineering samples being used within? Intel and OEMs only.  Software development workstations are due2@ "real soon now", but as far as I know have not started shipping.  @ A while back, I gave three criteria for McKinley maintaining itsB plausibility, of which the first has been missed (performance dataE at the Spring 2002 IDF).  The second is that development workstationszB are shipped to software vendors starting next week.  If Intel missB that one, there is no chance that it will reach production systems this summer.  H >But, again, why don't we know by now?  Isn't this thing supposed to hit# >volume ship in a couple of months?l  D 'Summer 2002' is the official date.  A good many OEMs were told thatD meant June 2002, but I doubt there is a hope in hell of that, though? as far as I know none of the OEMs have been told of a slippage.   A Given the way that the OEMs were shafted over the Itanic, and thenB fact that development workstations are not yet available, my guess@ is that a 'production' date of even October will not mean volumeA shipments.  The latter will not happen until the OEMs can deliverw@ systems, complete with software, and I cannot see that happening before early 2003.     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679-   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2002 22:05:19 GMT/ From: cecchi@signa.rchland.ibm.com (Del Cecchi)n Subject: Re: Itanium troublesv0 Message-ID: <a8042v$11nm$1@news.rchland.ibm.com>  A In article <oBLo8.106314$7b.9574774@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,H-  "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:e |> a  snipg |> iN |> Second, Paul DeMone recently commented in a discussion at realworldtech.comO |> that he was told by an authoritative source that IA32 performance *had* beeneN |> improved on McKinley to (IIRC) 1/3 to 1/2 native performance.  If true, andG |> if native performance comes out as expected, this would put McKinley I |> executing IA32 code in around Pentium III 600 MHz territory (250 - 300oM |> SPECint2K) - only about 1/3 as fast as the current IA32 leaders, but quiteaJ |> possibly fast enough to be useful in Windows environments (until HammerK |> makes its cost/performance look ridiculous) as long as you don't load iteM |> down with a predominantly IA32 application mix (i.e., justify the purchases7 |> price by some real need to run 64-bit applications).w |>  J |> But, again, why don't we know by now?  Isn't this thing supposed to hit% |> volume ship in a couple of months?r |>  	 |> - billh |> l  O I would surmise that the folks who need to know, do know.  Folks like Dell, HP,eM Intel, Microsoft.  The usual suspects.  Probably someone at IBM (not me) also ? knows.  If I did know, I'm sure I wouldn't be allowed to say.      -- f   Del Cecchi   cecchi@us.ibm.com  Personal Opinions Only   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:01:31 -0500E- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Itanium troubles , Message-ID: <3CA3A0AE.538DD287@videotron.ca>  " silly question, but I have to ask:  I Assuming that IA64 ships McKinley with a non laughable performance and itcO actually becomes available. How much software would be available to run on it ?.  4 How much of MS's bloatware has been ported to IA64 ?6 How much of Linux's software has been ported to IA64 ?  J IS there any serious software such as SAP ready to be sold on IA64 systems# running various flavours of Unix ?    N Or is IA64 still really some fancy beta chip usable only by ISVs and not ready to be truly commercialised ?   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2002 16:52:59 -08004 From: gherbert@gw.retro.com (George William Herbert) Subject: Re: Itanium troubles0' Message-ID: <a80dtb$ac1$1@gw.retro.com>-  ) Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote: * >Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:M >>> The major detail that surfaced recently is that Intel's claim may be thatnN >>> it's 70% faster on SPECint (with code recompiled for McKinley, rather thanD >>> running code compiler for Merced) *per clock* than Merced, [...] >>* >>Just to follow up on a couple of points: >>M >>First, I haven't heard the qualification 'per clock' used again, so - well,i >>why don't we *know* yet? >-E >My impression is that the "per clock" rumour was a misunderstanding,fA >and that it is absolute.  If so, I should expect initial SpecIntn >figures to be more like 600.C  I I have heard that as well, from someone who allegedly has a McKinley box.nA It's somewhat faster per-clock, and somewhat faster, and it workso3 out to about 1.5x the top end Itanium benchmarking.g     -george william herbert  gherbert@retro.com   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2002 05:15:21 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>> Subject: Re: Monster Marvel Performance - headed our way . . .0 Message-ID: <87r8m4l7h2.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:t  ? > By the way, floating another idea... many have on-chip memoryqC > controllers... one of the key strengths to EV7 is the on-chip lowtD > latency routers.  That allows the memory to be local and routed toF > remote CPUs.  Others are going over a bus.  One wonders if a key EV7F > patent is for on-chip routers, if so... that could explain more than > a few things ;-)  @ The thing intel *really* wanted out of advance Alpha development was the Pirahna router stuff.c   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.<@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:14:27 -0800r. From: "Meg Garrison" <Meg.Garrison@compaq.com>A Subject: Re: NetBeans 3.2.1 on VMS (was Excursion (DECterm) API?)l3 Message-ID: <dILo8.1646$fL6.31144@news.cpqcorp.net>    Hi,t  F NetBeans 3.3.1 will be available for OpenVMS in the next week.  It hasF significant performance and reliability improvements.  In addition, weE (CompaQ) offer an EDT keypad add-in module and a C/C++ support add-inu module.j  J If you'd like, I can add you name to email list so you'll be notified when the kit is available.K   Meg Garrison NetBeans for OpenVMS  0 "jojimbo" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:dc2d8031.0203280835.70d9837e@posting.google.com...r8 > kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) wrote in message/ news:<k1jkuQR9pMj0@eisner.encompasserve.org>..._A > > In article <e050a30a.0203261341.7e77dde6@posting.google.com>, 1 Adrian.Lumsden@sss.co.nz (Adrian Lumsden) writes:eL > > > What I am trying to do is bend my work environment into something that > > > I can use :-)u > >t  > > [snip stuff I can't address] > >e& > > > Does NetBeans run under VMS btw? > >n > > Funny you should ask.m > > B > > I just got NetBeans 3.2.1 running on a DS10 with VMS V7.3, andD > > Java 1.3-12.  I had to make a few changes to the startup command? > > procedure, runideopenvms.com, since it had hard coded whichhC > > version of Java it would work with.  You will also need an ODS5hE > > disk to locate the installation directory, since it demands to be  > > installed on an ODS5 disk. > >hC > > It's horribly slow at the moment, but I haven't done any tuning  > > yet. >eL > I played with this quite a while ago and never was satisfied.  It was slowH > with 256 mb memory on my xp900, although by eliminating a lot of stuffI > that gets loaded that you don't use, performance can be increased quite H > a bit.  But it crashed frequently, to the point where I never could doL > anything useful.  ODS5 disk was no big problem, weird to deal with though. >h > jime   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:11:45 -0500 1 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com>a) Subject: NEW DS10L's - DEC Boxed USD 1899r/ Message-ID: <ua7c8f96flen67@news.supernews.com>D   In stock   DS10LF 512MB Island MemoryP CDROM and Floppy Dual 10/100 Ethernet On Board Dual IDEi   Price is $1899   -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory StreetI Savannah GA 31404e Toll Free: 1-877 636 43329 International: 001 912 447 6622   Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.net  www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:55:54 -0500r1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>0! Subject: Re: News Server Software 2 Message-ID: <3CA3F3DA.3DDCF219@firstdbasource.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > / > In article <87zo0urqnc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, 1 >  Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: 8 > |> Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > |>I > |> > DNEWS uses an "indexed" file container for each NG rather than oneoK > |> > file per entry. Which makes it perform to the UNIX levels -- or so Ig > |> > would surmise.G > |>I > |> You have heard the term 'i-node hack'? Unix systems are also in deep  > |> doodoo with news traffic. > J > Never heard of it (so I obviously have never applied it) and I have beenI > running news servers on various forms of hardware and Unix for about 20rL > years now.  (I can even remember when it was possible to run a news serverM > on a MicroVAX running Ultrix with an NFS spool.)  There are a lot of things I > you can do to enhance performance of a Unix system, especially when youiL > have a single fixed application and can therefore know what the machine isM > doing at any point in time.  News is an I/O (particularly disk) applicationeN > and as has been pointed out here the overhead of the VMS filesystem makes it# > a poorer performer in that field.- > K > However!!!  That doesn't mean VMS can't be a good news server.  One could(H > easily(?) take any of the popular news server packaghes that work withK > really large package files rather than individual article files and writenJ > them to bypass the features of the VMS file system they don't need.  NotL > suggesting anyone do this, just pointing out that the things about a file-P > system that VMS thought were most important are a drawback for this particular2 > application but optimization is always possible.  H This is essentially what DNEWS does -- errrr did.  They used a containerG file for each NG and did not populate or even create the file until the E first user requests the NG.  Then it goes off and begins the downloadtE from the upstream server and depending on size can take a while.  TheeC binary groups can be downloaded "header only" and the body would befF retrieved when requested.  Reduces overall disk/badnwidth usage. WhileA all of this is great, I received this a day or two ago from theirf) "sales" desk as a response to an inquiry.;  6 =========================<<<< BEGIN MESSAGE W/RESPONSE >>>>>>>===================== ME:ME > >This looks very promising.  I am in the process of determining how H > >strong several products are with regard to number of concurrent users3 > >and disk space usage.  The requirements will be:s > >d > >3K-5K concurrent usersm# > >Full NNTP news feeds and updatesg > >Sub-Second retrievals.tA > >OpenVMS Cluster Aware (i.e. multiple systems updating, postingu > >concurrently) > > J > >Do you have any reference sites that can support this kind of workload?   THEM:  > M > Sorry no our system won't do this on vms, infact our vms offering is frozen-K > and frankly not as good as our versions, I suggest you don't even try it.  > L > I strongly recommend you consider using a different operating system if it > is at all possible.  > J > I would recommend windows nt then yes our software should cope with your > requirements.  >  >          ChrisP.4 =========================<<<< END MESSAGE W/RESPONSE >>>>>>>=====================  G I suppose that is what happens when inferior technology is marketed and G not proven.  By any stretch of the imagination a single processor AlphaBH running OpenVMS will run circles around even a dual or quad CPU NT Box. C But I guess these guys don't really care about the stability of the@ underlying OS. -- . Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163i7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)  704-236-4377 (Mobile)p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:58:48 -0500d1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>r! Subject: Re: News Server Softwaref2 Message-ID: <3CA3F488.3EC1E0E2@firstdbasource.com>   JF Mezei wrote:c >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:2 > > > ftp://ftp.netwinsite.com/pub/dnews/vms/alpha > > J > > Hey, I'm a security guy -- I ignore any strings starting with ftp: :-) > M > Humour apart, can you explain the above statement ? DO you feel that ftp iss- > "dangerous" from a security point of view ?   G Not if you set your browser to always ASK before saving/opening a file.d8 :)  It could be the download of a virus or trojan etc...   -- i Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163I7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comb Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)s 704-236-4377 (Mobile)0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:01:10 -0500K1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>p! Subject: Re: News Server Softwaree2 Message-ID: <3CA3F516.BE689A9C@firstdbasource.com>   JF Mezei wrote:p >  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:C > >         http://serverwatch.internet.com/reviews/news-dnews.htmlh. > > listed only non-VMS operating systems: <<< > >pA > > .. Exactly why I posted the pointer to the VMS download page:i0 > > ftp://ftp.netwinsite.com/pub/dnews/vms/alpha > M > What does that say about the commitment of an ISV when their VMS version isr > well hidden ?e   From NetWinSite:   >>Sorry no our system won't do this on vms, infact our vms offering is frozen and >>frankly not as good as our versions, I suggest you don't even try it.u   -- o Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163a7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comn Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)y 704-236-4377 (Mobile)i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:59:19 GMTt4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ... 0 Message-ID: <3CA374C1.43F09772@blueyonder.co.uk>   Bob Ceculski wrote:c >   AG > I have talking w/leader of the team there ... they were briefed aboutoD > vms and even given an account and password to use!  Any pro who isG > given a crash course in vms unless he is really an idiot will be abletH > to understand it ... vms is not that hard to understand, and tcp/ip is > tcp/ip and telnet is telnet!  @ and more importantly sysuaf is not world readable by design :-).   -- p tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk o  F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:09:01 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ... + Message-ID: <a7vt8t$j51$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>c  h In article <d7791aa1.0203280603.3c2fda81@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:Q >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<a7tu54$44$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...yk >> In article <d7791aa1.0203271724.29d5e9f9@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:p] >> >"Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote in message news:<a7tgt1$2q9$1@lore.csc.com>...a; >> >> "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messages= >> >> news:d7791aa1.0203270546.1b0fce5b@posting.google.com... = >> >> > "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote in message'' >>  news:<a7rovi$47g$1@lore.csc.com>...d? >> >> > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagesT >> >> > > > > Netfilter is an advanced packet filter.  It lets you filter just about >>  anythingV >> >> > > > > IP, and allows you to do neat things like use your machine as a firewall	 >> >>  or 
 >> >>  NAT >> >> > > > > router.e >> >> > > >a< >> >> > > > I can already do that with TCPware ... big deal!	 >> >> > >o< >> >> > > Exactly what of the above can you do with TCPware? >> >> >gU >> >> > I can packet filter any IP address or port out there, that is what I mean ... P >> >> > I can set set up any incoming or outgoing address restrictions I need toP >> >> > for anything or any service, I can even filter smtp mail ... it has been8 >> >> > on vms tcpware for years ... were have you been? >> >> @ >> >> Exactly since when have you been able to NAT with TCPware? >> >C >> >dhcp server has been in tcpware has been out for awhile now ...h& >> >dhcp client came out last year ... >> hQ >> Since when has dhcp had anything to do with NAT, Firewalls or packet filteringh >> ? >>  
 >> David Webbe >> VMS and Unix team leader  >> CCSSf >> Middlesex UniversityO > E >with packet filtering, dhcp, and proxy server on vms, you don't need H >a stupid nat environment ... I want my static ip's public, not rendered >useless w/nat!   N Anybody who uses NAT just for security reasons is an idiot. NATs only securityL affect is obscuring of addresses. It's like using an Umbrella made of tissueK in a rainstorm. It will provide you with a bit of protection when the firstt7 drizzle starts but will soon let through the real rain.d  J The real reason for using NAT is because you have more machines wanting to7 talk to the internet than you have public IP addresses.       I What sort of packet filtering does TCPWARE have ? Does it really have the $ equivalent of iptables or ipchains ?L Or are you just talking about the equivalent of tcpwrappers ie being able toN log and/or reject inetd services. Can you set up rules as to what connections N to accept or reject on an arbitrary service listening on a port if the serviceJ starts it's own listener without using inetd and doesn't provide it's own   inbuilt restriction mechanisms ?      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:55:38 -0500a- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> 3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...e0 Message-ID: <3CA39F6A.100D4457@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:iP > Anybody who uses NAT just for security reasons is an idiot. NATs only security# > affect is obscuring of addresses.   H Now wait a minute here.  Since many IP addresses on the inside translateO (typically) to one IP address (with different port numbers) on the outside, anyoM incoming request for connection to the one external IP address gets discardedrK because the NAT server doesn't know where to route it.  You must explicitlytM configure particular IP addresses on the inside to receive such packets.  You P might, for example, send requests for service on port 80 to your web server, andN requests for port 25 to your mail server, and requests for port 23 to your VMSA box. So NAT servers by default act as packet filtering firewalls.I   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:50:02 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...0, Message-ID: <3CA3AC09.211CF384@videotron.ca>   Jonathan Boswell wrote:cO > incoming request for connection to the one external IP address gets discardedu8 > because the NAT server doesn't know where to route it.  N Unless you have a default destination for incoming calls. (eg: default goes toG "A", port 80 calls go to "B", TELNET goes to "C". In such a calse, A isaM vulnerable to many attacks since it would get any non-standard call requests.A  C > box. So NAT servers by default act as packet filtering firewalls.A  L Depends on how you configure them. But yes, the NAT routers are usually muchN more than just NAT, they are also routers with not only NAT features, but also  router features such as filters.  J I have mine send one host SYSLOG warnings to one host for any call attemptD into my IP. This way, I get an idea of the type of traffic folks areL attempting to send to me. (Thanks to Mr Vottero for the VMS SYSLOG utility).   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2002 18:49:09 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...r= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203281849.363880bc@posting.google.com>p   > >>   > >> David Webb] > >> VMS and Unix team leaderc	 > >> CCSSi > >> Middlesex Universityt > >dG > >with packet filtering, dhcp, and proxy server on vms, you don't neednJ > >a stupid nat environment ... I want my static ip's public, not rendered > >useless w/nat!  > P > Anybody who uses NAT just for security reasons is an idiot. NATs only securityN > affect is obscuring of addresses. It's like using an Umbrella made of tissueM > in a rainstorm. It will provide you with a bit of protection when the firsto9 > drizzle starts but will soon let through the real rain.l > L > The real reason for using NAT is because you have more machines wanting to9 > talk to the internet than you have public IP addresses.e > K > What sort of packet filtering does TCPWARE have ? Does it really have theD& > equivalent of iptables or ipchains ?N > Or are you just talking about the equivalent of tcpwrappers ie being able toP > log and/or reject inetd services. Can you set up rules as to what connections P > to accept or reject on an arbitrary service listening on a port if the serviceL > starts it's own listener without using inetd and doesn't provide it's own " > inbuilt restriction mechanisms ? >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  L yes, its "real" packet filtering, aet up any rule for any ip for any serviceJ for any port ... and if you want multiple pcs over one static you set up a proxy server on vms ...    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2002 18:56:35 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...u< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203281856.515cc44@posting.google.com>  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3CA3AC09.211CF384@videotron.ca>...c > Jonathan Boswell wrote:tQ > > incoming request for connection to the one external IP address gets discarded4: > > because the NAT server doesn't know where to route it. > P > Unless you have a default destination for incoming calls. (eg: default goes toI > "A", port 80 calls go to "B", TELNET goes to "C". In such a calse, A isdO > vulnerable to many attacks since it would get any non-standard call requests.l > E > > box. So NAT servers by default act as packet filtering firewalls.B > N > Depends on how you configure them. But yes, the NAT routers are usually muchP > more than just NAT, they are also routers with not only NAT features, but also" > router features such as filters. > L > I have mine send one host SYSLOG warnings to one host for any call attemptF > into my IP. This way, I get an idea of the type of traffic folks areN > attempting to send to me. (Thanks to Mr Vottero for the VMS SYSLOG utility).  G why go thru all that when w/tcpware packet filtering you can have a vmssH firewall which is unhackable plus defeat any dos or any other attack ...C and if you have multiple pcs you just use your vms proxy server ...aC the strengths of vms combined w/tcpware filtering are "unhackable"!r   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2002 19:07:40 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203281907.2c0a14d1@posting.google.com>s  ` JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3C9B7FCF.BDA24B4@videotron.ca>... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:N > > harder time because of familiarity and availability -- VMS was designed toM > > be secure, and is old enough, and mature enough to have had a significantp4 > > number of it's vulnerabilities found and fixed.  >  >  > O > Not to belittle the quality of VMS' security, but should one characterize thebL > TCPIP Services for VMS (which came from Unix) to be "old enough and mature > enough" ???? > P > In today's world, the TCPIP stack seems to be the one big conduit for incoming > hacking attempts.-   not tcpware!   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2002 19:29:40 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...c= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203281929.5c5f2fa1@posting.google.com>e  Y "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote in message news:<a7e8ij$41d$1@lore.csc.com>...l: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:4AmxiJY6Ttqc@eisner.encompasserve.org... P > > In article <a7dubi$qp7$1@lore.csc.com>, "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com>
 >  writes:- > > > news:1Hum8.85073$Yv2.29322@rwcrnsc54...2Q > > > Another fact is if someone is determined enough they will find a way in, aspQ > > > proved by the young lad who scammed the password (which is NOT mentioned inl >  the/ > > > whitepaper, but posted here last year ;).> >  SF > > So what.  Social Engineering doesn't count... no more than someoneB > > being corrupt and giving away passwords.  We are talking about- > > hacking a system.  Read the whole thread.e > Q > So what?  He was determined and he got in.  That's the point I made in my post.iH > It could be argued that sending a password in plain text is a security > vulnerability in itself. > F > Ask yourself - why did point secure omit that from their whitepaper?  D lets see that tried with a tcpware packet filter tunnel with an ssh2- telnet session ... want to guess the results?r   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2002 19:39:56 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...h= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203281939.1378c8e0@posting.google.com>a  e bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<a7ff1o$2b1i$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>... ? > In article <d7791aa1.0203220547.6c97878f@posting.google.com>,t- >  bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:l > |> aR > |> funny, with TCPware and ssh/ssh2 I don't have to send password clear text ... > L > Funny, with FreeBSD and telnet I don't send password clear text either ... >  >  > bill  H except that my vms box has been up for 2 years straight and just watchesG hack attacks bounce off ... can you say that about your box ... buy theeF way, I know what the free is and what the "BS" stands for, but what is
 "D" about?   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2002 19:15:01 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Once a fool, always a fool I guess ...h= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203281915.4783f758@posting.google.com>e   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> wrote in message news:<3CA1C80A.30608@sun.com>... > Bob Koehler wrote: >  > > In article <3CA09E41.5020802@sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.remove_this.harrison@sun.com> writes:i > >  > > D > >>No unless you think that no CERT advisories = no vunerabilities. > >> > > K > >    It's time to bury this one. I get a ton of advisories from a variety J > >    of sources, and most of them post what they find whether the vendor > >    has responded or not. > > I > >    Just because CERT publishes vendor responses does not mean we relyn- > >    on the vendor to admit there's a hole.a > > J > >    Just because CERT didn't publish doesn't mean somebody else didn't. > >  >  > J > Sorry nice try but no cigar. In a number of cases OpenVMS was vunerable I > to IP stack exploits, Compaq had posted response to CERT for both Tru64t9 > and OpenVMS, OpenVMS was listed as not being vunerable.l > B > Except that Compaqs own patch reports then listed a patch to fixI > the same vunerability. In otherwords the CERT response did not reflect    > OpenVMS's actual vunerability. > A > Security through obscurity which you are apparently arguing for = > is one thing but this is not what has happened in the past.= > 	 > RegardsG > Andrew Harrison>  I even though ucx is now based on the unix kernel and no longer vms kernel,lG vms is still a different security animal underneath when you get to thenE os internals ... if however you use tcpware which is now the only andaI best vms ip stack based on the vms kernal, you would not have success ...sI vms is "unhackable" because of its os design, no buffer overflows because H of bliss descriptors ... defcon9 was right and defcon10 will confirm it!> linux and unix and windoze are garbage and have "no" security!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:38:34 -05002> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>Y Subject: RE: OpenVMS on ItaniumT Architecture - the path forward  7.2MB st	ream	ing media>M Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D0160290B@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>c   Thanks for the input.   G Sue and Warren were nice enough to verify that the link and the stream :" are working, so it is at my end.     :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadwayo Albany, NY  12204r USA  518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.comd  ) I post personal opinion only, and all thet* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s).f+ One should also take note of the Electronic0) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, which-+ imposes civil and criminal liability on anya( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@mmaz.com]( > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 2:34 PM0 > To: Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC); VMS List ServiceH > Subject: Re: OpenVMS on ItaniumT Architecture - the path forward 7.2MB& > stream ing media... weblink problem? >  > ! > Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC) wrote:. > G > >On the http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/ webpage there is a mG > >link for "OpenVMS on Itanium(tm) Architecture - the path forward".  S > > @ > >When I use RealOne Player version 6.0.10.505, I get a "Could 
 > not connectn$ > >to Server using HTTP" error with  > >s@ > >"rtsp://stream1.compaq.com:554/openvms/openvms_on_itanium_arc > hitecture.rm"t > >L > >in the pop-up error box.  > >e7 > >Anyone else with similar problem?  Or is it just me?  > >4< > >Maybe it is just my RealOne Player, although it seems to  > work on other $ > >websites and other RealOne files? > >i6 > It worked fine with my PeeCee system but as already  > mentioned, the video fE > quality was extremely poor and at best it could be summarized as a oF > high-level marketing pitch; Nothing new, interesting or technical... > 
 > Regards, >  > Barry  >  > -- v > B > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO  > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028n >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:34:29 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>dY Subject: Re: OpenVMS on ItaniumT Architecture - the path forward  7.2MB stream	ing media.i' Message-ID: <3CA37045.5050705@mmaz.com>    Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC) wrote:-  E >On the http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/ webpage there is a 2E >link for "OpenVMS on Itanium(tm) Architecture - the path forward".  g >DI >When I use RealOne Player version 6.0.10.505, I get a "Could not connecta" >to Server using HTTP" error with  >.K >"rtsp://stream1.compaq.com:554/openvms/openvms_on_itanium_architecture.rm"a >5 >in the pop-up error box.y >>5 >Anyone else with similar problem?  Or is it just me?e >mH >Maybe it is just my RealOne Player, although it seems to work on other " >websites and other RealOne files? >7I It worked fine with my PeeCee system but as already mentioned, the video oC quality was extremely poor and at best it could be summarized as a eD high-level marketing pitch; Nothing new, interesting or technical...   Regards,   Barry4   -- r  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028I   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:53:18 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>iY Subject: Re: OpenVMS on ItaniumT Architecture - the path forward  7.2MB stream ing media.e, Message-ID: <3CA3749F.3E56F37C@videotron.ca>   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:K > >When I use RealOne Player version 6.0.10.505, I get a "Could not connectn# > >to Server using HTTP" error withi > >tM > >"rtsp://stream1.compaq.com:554/openvms/openvms_on_itanium_architecture.rm"t  G Was able to connect from mac with real player. The stream is G2 stream.   L If you still have the http: URL, try to save it. It will be a text file withN one line per protocol supported. If the rstp doesn't work, try the second line (probably a pnm: line).i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:54:09 -0800e. From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> Subject: Re: SDLT parity errorsc' Message-ID: <3CA39101.8020209@vmmc.org>e  F Just for comparison, we are evaluating a Compaq MSL5026 SDLT jukebox. G It came with 6 new (green) tapes.  Of these, 3 were bad.  Two could be sD physically loaded but a VMS INIT command would just hang!  The third@ would cause the drive to continuously try to complete loading!!!  F We purchased a batch of 20 new cartridges and all inited w/o problems.   Patrick Coulier wrote:   > Hi there,a > G > A simple question concerning SDLT drives and tapes (Super DLTtape I).z > I > We switched quite recently from CI-based tapedrives (TZ887 on HSJ40) tonK > direct attached COMPAQ SuperDLT1 drives for our Rdb-databasebackups using  > RMU-backup under SLS.s > , > VMS: 7.2-1H1 / Rdb : V7.0-6.2 / SLS V2.9 F > J > Performance inprovement was spectacular : In some cases we went from a 4J > hour 30 minutes to about 25 minutes of total backuptime. That's great of > course.... > H > But we seem to have a problem with reliability for this SDLT-solution: > G > We started with a tapepool of about 130 COMPAQ Super DLTtape 1 (=dark 	 > green).rN > About 5 tapes were faulty already during the first initialize in SLS and had > to be replaced.e > C > We normally do 4 different databasebackups a day, 7 times a week.-M > The 4 databases are quite large (between 55.10E6 blocks and 65.10E6 blocks)eK > In 4 months time I replaced 4 other tapes and experienced about 20 Parity.L > errors on 4 different drives and with different tapes. And these tapes are > NOT cheap !!!b > L > The different drives are weekly cleaned with an appropriate cleaning tape. >  > M > Any explanation why this tapesolutions seems so unreliable compared with myh > former CI-based config ??? >  > # > Any suggestions are very welcome.e >  >  > Polite greetings,o > , > Patrick COULIER [mailto:Patric@delight.be], > Systemengineer Delight Information Systems >  > Archimedesstraat 7 bus 6 >  > 8400 Oostendel >  > Tel: 32(0)59/554.547 >  > Fax: 32(0)59/806.888 >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:53:09 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m- Subject: Re: Shannon knows DEC -> CPQ -> ????S, Message-ID: <3CA3ACC4.F6C52269@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:-M > > I'll bet that a lot of HP folks will gladly take a package given what theM* > > majority of them seem to think of her. > 2 > From what I've heard, this wouldn't surprise me.  O Is there any speculation on where the 12,000 employee reductions will be made ?t  E Obviously management stuff such as payroll, accounting could see some D cutbacks. And the wintel side will see probably major cutbacks sinceL manufacturing will be streamlined. But shoudl we expect cutbacks elsewhere ?  L Would the tru64 folks be cut, or would they be asked to stick around to help" port the tru64 features to HP-UX ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:08:06 -0500i  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comI Subject: The Hewlett Packard/Compaq proxy fight has reached all-time lowst4 Message-ID: <C2256B8A.0068A27F.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  > --0__=6wuyCHeXcwkuuC72m21OTnVLQIYawtouJg2cEs9OHc8vjwMiodK4NJfZ, Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inlinew+ Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printables    H                                                                        =         =20-H  The HP Ugly Achievement Awards No matter who wins, the Hewlett Packard= /Compaq =20 H  proxy fight has reached all-time lows.                                =         =201H  March 19, 2002: 6:10 PM EST                                           =         =20UH  By David Futrelle, CNN/Money Contributing Columnist                   =         =20gH                                                                        =         =20tH                                                                        =         =20sH  NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The Hewlett-Packard/Compaq proxy fight has been=  so down=20sH  and dirty it makes even innocent bystanders feel soiled.              =         =20iH                                                                        =         =20rH                                                                        =         =20nH  On one side is HP CEO Carly Fiorina and the rest of the HP board, who = support =20cH  a merger with Compaq. On the other is Walter Hewlett, who opposes a   =         =20 H  combination. Both are guilty of dragging out their dirty laundry for a=  public =20 H  airing.                                                               =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20sH                                                                        =         =20tH                                                                        =         =20vH                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20rH  And so as the folks at IVS Associates prepare to tally the votes on th= e       =20mH  proposed merger, I thought I'd tally a few votes of my own -- and pay = homage  =20.H  to some of the lowlights in the proxy battle with a little something y= ou might=20pH  call the Ugly Achievement Awards.                                     =         =20hH                                                                        =         =20gH                                                                        =         =20sH  Note: Unlike the Nobel Peace Prize, the Oscar for Best Sound Effects E= diting, =200H  or the coveted "World's Greatest Grandpa" coffee mug, the Ugly Award i= s one   =20cH  prize you don't want to win.                                          =         =20dH                                                                        =         =20tH                                                                        =         =20hH  1) The "I Know You Are But What Am I" Award for the ugliest burst of  =         =20 H  namecalling:                                                          =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20MH                                                                        =         =20lH  Forget "pro forma." The Latin phrase du jour is "ad hominem," fancy ta= lk for  =20eH  an argument based on cheap personal insults.                          =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20-H                                                                        =         =20)H  Fiorina gets a nomination for her dismissive characterization of Walte= r       =207H  Hewlett as a "musician and academic."                                 =         =20aH                                                                        =         =20eH                                                                        =         =20 H  Hewlett also gets a nomination for his snide remark that next time aro= und, he =20sH  hopes HP gets a CEO who doesn't need executive training on the job. (F= iorina  =20uH  had never been a CEO before she took the helm at HP.)                 =         =20oH                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20-H  But with all due respect, both Carly and Walter are lightweights. If y= ou want =20kH  to see real down-and-dirty name-calling, take a quick tour of the mess= age     =209H  boards, where opinionated jabberers spew forth insults like so much sp= ittle.  =20gH                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =207H  Carly Fiorina -- also known as "Carly Purina" and "Crazy Foolerina" --=  gets   =200H  the worst of it. "No good...silly dilly" is one of the few printable e= pithets =20wH  I've seen thrown her way.                                             =         =20sH                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20nH  But in the end I've decided to award the prize to one Yahoo Finance po= ster    =20hH  calling himself dr_clod_fish, who in a series of recent posts savaged = poor    =20 H  Walter as a an "[EXPLETIVE] NERD YUPPY TURD!!!!" and "JUSYT [sic] ANOT= HER     =20nH  YUPPY CLUELESS SON OF A RICH MAN."                                    =         =20iH                                                                        =         =20tH                                                                        =         =20MH  Walter Hewlett may be a nerd. (Not that there's anything wrong with th= at.) But=20oH  if he's a "yuppy" then I'm Dorothy Parker, famed Algonquin Table wit a= nd      =20eH  bitter bon vivant.                                                    =         =20iH                                                                        =         =20>H                                                                        =         =20dH  Speaking of which:                                                    =         =20eH                                                                        =         =20bH                                                                        =         =20oH  2) The Not-Quite-Dorothy-Parker Award for withering sarcasm:          =         =20sH                                                                        =         =200H                                                                        =         =20lH  The warring press releases that shoot forth with such regularity from = Carly   =20eH  and Walter's respective camps tend to be long on indignation and short=  on wit =20eH  -- even, perhaps especially, when they attempt the difficult art of sa= rcasm.  =20<H                                                                        =         =20.H                                                                        =         =20 H  Nominee one: Walter Hewlett, for his response to statements from HP bo= ard     =20iH  members Phil Condit and Sam Ginn. They were assuring investors they wo= uldn't  =20 H  jump ship if the merger didn't go through -- at least not without find= ing     =20oH  proper replacements.                                                  =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20 H  Walter's take: "We are gratified that Mr. Ginn and Mr. Condit reaffirm= ed to HP=20VH  stockholders that the stability of the HP Board will continue...and th= at,     =20nH  should the merger be voted down, they will not [in Ginn's words] 'walk=  away   =20tH  and pout.'"                                                           =         =20uH                                                                        =         =20aH                                                                        =         =20rH  Nominee two: HP for its March 12 press release, filled with snide, sco= rnful,  =20nH  and sometimes just plain ungrammatical rhetorical questions -- more th= an two  =20aH  dozen in all -- designed to embarrass poor Walter.                    =         =20nH                                                                        =         =20.H                                                                        =         =20aH  Sample: "After selling 6 million HP shares since coming out against th= e       =201H  [Compaq] deal, what are your specific plans for further sales to imple= ment    =20:H  your family foundation's 'diversification' strategy?...Do you really t= hink    =20sH  your short-term financial interests don't make you different from othe= r       =20rH  shareowners?" (um, did that last question specifically make any sense = at all?)=20:H                                                                        =         =20-H                                                                        =         =20-H  (Click here to see the full press release.)                           =         =20aH                                                                        =         =20nH                                                                        =         =20nH  The winner? Carly's army. Walter Hewlett's tone is ironic and tart; HP= 's      =20sH  twenty-questions act makes it look petty. (Whether you agree with him = or not, =20-H  it's hard to argue that Hewlett is a carpetbagger who doesn't care abo= ut HP.) =20rH                                                                        =         =20cH                                                                        =         =20 H  3) The U.G.L.Y. You Ain't Got No Alibi Award for ugliest website:     =         =20cH                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20.H  Both HP and Walter Hewlett relied heavily on their websites to win ove= r the   =20tH  undecided in this down-and-dirty battle.                              =         =20iH                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20 H  HP's site is a slick corporate propaganda machine, elegantly designed = and     =20aH  filled to bursting with pro-merger material.                          =         =20 H                                                                        =         =20aH                                                                        =         =20oH  Walter Hewlett's site, by contrast, is clunky and unsophisticated, wit= h about =20AH  as much graphical flair as a telephone bill.                          =         =202H                                                                        =         =20 H                                                                        =         =204H  So who wins the award? HP. There's nothing quite so ugly as a slick co= rporate =20oH  propaganda machine.                                                   =         =20uH                                                                        =         =20"H                                                                        =         =20:H  Sign up to receive the Tech Investor column by e-mail.                =         =20AH                                                                        =         =20PH                                                                        =         =20wH  Plus, see more tech commentary and get the latest tech news. =A0(Embed=
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 htm    =20H                                                                        =         =20p       =1  @ --0__=6wuyCHeXcwkuuC72m21OTnVLQIYawtouJg2cEs9OHc8vjwMiodK4NJfZ--   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2002 23:55:12 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>= Subject: Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey QuestionI, Message-ID: <a80ah021n7t@enews3.newsguy.com>  . Bob Koehler <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote:c > In article <a7qtsd01q93@enews1.newsguy.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:u  K >> What, you're not using PDP's still? :^)  A lot of companies still do, oftN >> course one would think they'd be talking to Mentec rather than Compaq about >> the PDP-11's.  J >    Does Mentec do Pro 350 or just "real" PDP-11?  What about those Micro >    PDP-8 I used to use?e  J Good question on the Professional's, while it doesn't look to be listed asK supporting it, RT-11 V5.7 should run on it.  Of course finding working HardcI Drives for the Pro can be tricky.  Also you can buy a modern PDP-11 or anr7 emulated PDP-11 from Mentec (as well as other sources).t  L My guess is that in both cases you could find a third party to support a Pro> or a DECmate (I assume that's what you mean by a Micro PDP-8).   			ZaneS   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2002 23:44:16 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>= Subject: Re: Today's odd Compaq Working Group Survey Questionb, Message-ID: <a809sg11n7t@enews3.newsguy.com>  . Dave Weatherall <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote:H > Our last pdp-11/60 is on its last legs. In the last 6 months the TE16 H > has packed up, a DR-11c, its purpose in life, seems to be misbehaving H > but I can't check that because our sole remaining DL-11W is not doing G > any I/O. We used to have a bunch of spares but they got 'tidied up'.   > Pity really.  E The TE16 might be a bit of a problem, but you shouldn't have too muche: trouble getting replacements for your DL11-W, or DR11-C.     			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:53:01 -0500a+ From: "Robert Schaefer" <rschaefe@gcfn.org>  Subject: VAX 6000 320 ?'s 7 Message-ID: <a80dt3$jph$1@ronco.freenet.columbus.oh.us>l  7 A few more questions for those more experienced than I:a  H What is the max memory for a VAX 6000 model 300?  I've seen 512MB as theK hardware limit of the 6000 machines, but also a sidehand remark that seemedi/ to indicate the max for the 300 line was 256MB.s  I Will a 6310 operate with the larger 128MB XMI boards?  It would seem that3H six CPUs and two 128MB boards would max out both processors and ram, and. still leave room for another XMI board or two.  J I know the VAX will interleave memory boards, would eight 32MB boards be aK significant speed improvement over two 128MB boards?  Or does the backplane-! itself become a limiting factor?1k   Thanks!l   Boba   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:55:01 -0800 3 From: David Spencer <spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com>s2 Subject: VAX, PDP-11 books plus 1985 Annual Report> Message-ID: <280320021555013395%spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com>  O Please forgive the crass self-promotion. I just thought that it would be a goodl? idea to make people aware of a few items I just listed on eBay:o     - VAX Hardware Handbook 1980-81  - VAX Technical Summary 1980 (  - VAX11 Architecture Handbook 1979-1980.  - PDP-11 Processor Handbook (04/24/34a/44/70)i  - Digital Equipment Corporation Annual Report from 1985. Includes a MicroVAX chip embedded on the cover!j   Thanks,w     -- Dave Spencerr   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.173 ************************