1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 19 May 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 276       Contents:2 Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?2 Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?2 Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?* Re: DECUS Lyon: Another VMS summary (long)* Re: DECUS Lyon: Another VMS summary (long)* Re: DHCP and ADSL: no view from outside???* Re: DHCP and ADSL: no view from outside???* Re: DHCP and ADSL: no view from outside??? Re: Diskeeper Usage  Re: Diskeeper Usage - Re: Forced migration to HPHUX - Storm Warning  HP startup screen anyone?  Re: ISE just spammed me... Re: No new Alpha sales Re: No new Alpha sales Re: print queue name Re: Stallards smoking gun! Re: Stallards smoking gun! Re: Stallards smoking gun!, Re: TCPIP$PRINTCAP.DAT/UCX$PRINTCAP.DAT file? Re: VMS 7.3 upgrade problems - a bad workman blaming his tools?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:01:20 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> ; Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? / Message-ID: <3CE769E0.9050909@xs4all.nospam.nl>    Tom Linden wrote: @ > You left out the most powerful language of them all, PL/I.  NoH > syntactic ambiguities there, and easy to learn.  Subsumes the sematicsK > of most 3GLs.  Very powerful diagnostic processing to aid the programmer, F > and error handling capability to faclitate real production programs. >    	[Snip]    Hi Tom,   G Can you say anything about the availability of PL/I for OpenVMS on IPF?   I In other words, can we still use the best language on the best OS on IPF?   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:05:19 +0400 4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <laishev@smtp.deltatel.ru>; Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? 0 Message-ID: <3CE786EF.137EB60C@smtp.deltatel.ru>  
 C but no C++.    Shawn Joseph wrote:  > H > I have been working with VMS 7.2-1 for just over a year now and wantedE > to start getting into some entry level programming.  I have written H > many simply DCL procedures and I am currently reading/applying WritingF > Real Programs in DCL, 2nd edition.  I have no programming experienceG > but was looking to start out to help improve my skills and net worth.  > I have a few questions.  > G > What is the best programming language for a newbie on VMS and why?  I H > know each language has it's own highlights, but I don't know what theyC > are.  Since I don't know a lot about these languages I guess I am G > looking for pro's and con's on each, what people would recommend as a F > best return on investment in time and money and what is likely to beG > in demand/supported for the forseeable future.  I will most likely be B > learning it all through self study as I'm sure many others have. > E > It sounds like there are several languages supported on VMS.  Would H > anyone care to rank the top 5 in order of your own opinion and why you > feel that way? > C > How would you rank the languages in order of difficulty to learn?  > F > Is there one language that can do "most" or everything one needs?  I3 > know I am setting myself up with this question :)  > F > If not, is there a logical order the languages should be studied and
 > applied? > H > What is the difference between C, C++ and Compaq C and Compaq C++, and > C/C++ for that matter? > G > Most of the references I have seen thus far for C have been for Unix, < > are there resources out there for programming in C on VMS? > F > I am told that Java runs on VMS and is even more portable than C butD > requires additional overhead as it requires a runtime environment. > Any thoughts on this?  > H > I am looking for something long range I can pick up and something thatE > is going to be portable to other Operating systems.  I think DCL is E > pretty slick but is limited to VMS and from what I am told has many ; > limitations when compared to other programming languages.  > A > I was considering C as I'm told it can be run on many operating  > systems and is very powerful.  > F > Any comments in this area would be greatly appreciated.  I have beenH > to Compaq's website, but all the different choices kind of overwhelmedH > me.  I was hoping to get a "best in class" to narrow it down so that IE > can do some more research and start learning a language in the near 	 > future.  > 
 > Regards,, > Shawn Joseph, up and coming System Manager   --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+;       RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.radiusvms.com 8         vms-isps@dls.net - Forum for ISP running OpenVMS*                  Mobile: +7 (901) 971-3222A    TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU ;      http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/public_pgp_key.txt    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:43:09 +0200 ' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not> ; Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? ( Message-ID: <3CE65A6D.1BC18731@spam.not>   Shawn Joseph wrote:   6 Having read all the responses to your question so far 6 I have to admit that almost all is already said and I * have to agree with the explanations given.  7 For learning the concepts of programming Pascal is the  8 best choice. DEC Pascal even offers modularity which is 7 needed for big projects but you won't need this in the  
 beginning.  7 While DEC BASIC is a good language that is much better  4 than almost all other implementations of a language 6 called "BASIC" it lacks dynamic data structures which 8 you will soon learn to use if you really start to learn  programming.4 Honestly I don't know if there is even an ISO BASIC 3 standard. Anyway DEC BASIC is more like Pascal but  5 there aren't any DEC BASIC implementations for other   platforms AFAIK.  2 Ada is a decent language and can be regarded as a 3 superset of Pascal but from my point of view it is  4 easier to learn Pascal and you get almost as far as 	 with Ada.   8 C and C++ aren't good languages to start with as others 7 pointed out. Besides the syntax problems the weak type  0 system makes it hard to learn to think properly.  4 Java isn't that bad but it's fairly complex because 5 of it's object oriented nature and it's huge because  4 you have to get familiar with a lot of classes that & are more or less part of the language.    3 Let me add two aspects that haven't been mentioned    that clearly in the other posts.  6 1.Learning how to program with a powerful programming 7   language shouldn't be done by reading a manual about  7   a specific implementation of a language. Programming  ;   is anything else than mastering the syntax of a specific  ;   programming language. Therefore you should start reading  5   a good book about programming e.g. "Algorithms And  9   Data Structures" by Niklaus Wirth who designed Pascal.  ;   I also recommend to read "Pascal User Manual and Report"  '   by Kathleen Jensen and Niklaus Wirth.   ; 2.There are different programming paradigms i.e. different  8   approaches to solving a problem by writing a program. 9   While the procedural paradigm is focused on how to get  9   a problem broken into smaller steps that are solved by  :   writing procedures the object oriented paradigm is more ;   data centric. There are other paradigms like the logical  ;   paradigm (Prolog) and the functional paradigm (Lisp). To  =   learn programming involves to learn more than one language  ?   and to understand more than one paradigm. DCL is a scripting  <   language (another paradigm) which lacks a lot e.g. a type 5   system and a good mechism to pass values back from  <   subroutines. Is is interpreted as all scripting languages 5   which makes it very slow compared to compiled ones.   9 If you decide to start with Pascal I'm glad to help you.  9 Borland's well know Delphi is based on Pascal. You might  : want to start with a Delphi tutorial. E-mail me privately  for further advice.    --  7 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please reverse the sequence    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 02:11:06 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>3 Subject: Re: DECUS Lyon: Another VMS summary (long) 6 Message-ID: <1020519014115.27505A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  * On Fri, 17 May 2002, Phillip Helbig wrote:  N > > > Does this mean that booting will require DECnet?  Currently, one can use/ > > > MOP instead of DECnet to boot satellites.  > > I > > Not at all. It means that Ethernet remote boot will be available, but I > > without MOP. With something else that is currently being implemented, @ > > but what's the heck, What we want is remote boot, itsn't it? > ; > OK, but will this new ethernet boot be available for VAX?  > G > I believe the plans are to have at least one version of VMS for VAX,   > ALPHA and Itanium.  D Are you asking about the client or the server?  If VMS-IA64 supportsC LANCP (useful for other things beside MOP booting IA-64 satellites, C namely downloading and managing routers and terminal servers), then G it should be able to act as a boot server for VAX and Alpha satellites, D by the same crockery that an Alpha can act as a boot server for VAX.  B If you are refering to the IA-64 acting as a MOP boot client, thisC has little if anything to do with VMS.  Once the initial boot image I (VMB, APB, etc., I think, but this might be the wrong stage of the boot), B the client system joins the cluster and loads everything else from3 a normal MSCP-served disk.  This isn't MOP anymore.   D All MOP does is load VMB, APB or IAB (???) into memory on the clientC and jumps to it.  What precise method is used to get it into memory B is beyond the scope of VMS.  Supported methods are reading it fromG disk, reading it from RX01 floppy via the console interface (VAX 11/780 D and 785 only), from Dectape-II (11/750, 11/730), reading it over the@ network using LAD (Infoserver boot), reading it over the network* using MOP (normal cluster satellite boot.)  @ I don't expect anyone is expecting VMS IA-64 to boot from RX01's
 or TU58's.  C Some time ago, Hoff mentioned that they are planning to implement a B LAD server for Alpha's, which would be useful for serving a CD-ROMB drive to a VAX which didn't have one, but which was capable of LAD+ booting.  Maybe this is the plan for IA-64?   B More likely, I think, is booting via TFTP, which is very common in? the Unix world.  It doesn't seem at all unlikely to me that the > standard BIOS (or whatever you call it) for IA64 would supportA TFTP booting out of the box.  TFTP servers already exist for VMS, > at least in TCPWare.  I'm not sure about UCX/TCPIP Services - > but if it doesn't exist, it should be easy to implement; after* all the first "T" stands for "trivial" ;-)   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 02:15:11 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>3 Subject: Re: DECUS Lyon: Another VMS summary (long) 6 Message-ID: <1020519021234.27505B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  % On Fri, 17 May 2002, Bart Zorn wrote:    > Didier Morandi wrote:  > > Phillip Helbig wrote: 	 > > ../..  > > L > >>Does this mean that booting will require DECnet?  Currently, one can use- > >>MOP instead of DECnet to boot satellites.  > >  > > I > > Not at all. It means that Ethernet remote boot will be available, but I > > without MOP. With something else that is currently being implemented, @ > > but what's the heck, What we want is remote boot, itsn't it? > >  > > D. > > I > > (Pleasant PS: DECnet IV-ia46 is _already_ up and running as the folks K > > use it for their work, this is why in the roadmap, DECnet-Minus will be  > > implemented "later" :-)  > >  > H > There was never a DECnet remote boot. That has always been MOP. It is J > unlikely that a minimal DECnet stack could be done in console firmware. 9 > Plus, it would need an address before it could be used.  > F > The new network boot will be bootp/tftp, without a shadow of doubt, $ > simply because they already exist. >  > Bart Zorn   C Hmm...  I guess I should have read ahead before posting.  Bart, you C said most of what I said, but in only 2 short paragraphs :-)  And I D was going to add, but forgot to put it in, that MOP is *NOT* DECNET,' which is implicit in your 1st sentence.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:17:52 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 3 Subject: Re: DHCP and ADSL: no view from outside??? ' Message-ID: <3CE797EF.6D867B7D@Free.fr>   E I have no route if I use 192.168.1.1 (the outer leg of the router) or  192.168.1.2 (the inner leg).  P When trying to access a site, I get "resolving host www.hp.com" then "www.hp.com  could not be found bla bla bla".   D.   Michael Austin wrote:  >  ../..  > OpenVMS and Unix/Linux:  > F > While you can set up VMS to be a DHCP Client, there are features andG > applications that simply will make this unmanageable and a real pain. H > (like the technical terms?) It is generally recommended that your SOHOJ > LAN DHCP Server be configured to serve from 192.168.1.5 to 192.168.1.100H > (substitute your router IP address range).  Configure your TCPIP stackH > on OpenVMS to be an address greater than this range such that they canG > never intefere.  Remember, there are certain ranges that are used for A > LAN configurations and the Router does the NAT (Network Address  > Translation).  > @ > The following address are NON-ROUTABLE IP addresses to be used > specifically for LANs. > 192.168.xxx.xxx  > 10.xxx.xxx.xxx > J > Get the WAN DNS information from your router or your ISP and enter it inA > your BIND Resolver configuration (SET/SHOW NAME in TCPIP V5.1).  > D > Once this is connected, you should now be able to ping a server on > Internet.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2002 15:45:54 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>3 Subject: Re: DHCP and ADSL: no view from outside??? 6 Message-ID: <20020519154554.12265.qmail@gacracker.org>  C On Sun, 19 May 2002, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote: F >I have no route if I use 192.168.1.1 (the outer leg of the router) or >192.168.1.2 (the inner leg).  > E >When trying to access a site, I get "resolving host www.hp.com" then  >"www.hp.com! >could not be found bla bla bla".   D That sounds like one of two possible problems. Either the DNS or the gateway addresses are wrong.  H I believe the gateway address should be 192.168.1.1 (the address of yourF ADSL modem). You should be able to extract the DNS addresses from your? Mac's configuration, but I think they should be 213.36.80.2 and  213.36.80.4.  J Another thing to bear in mind is how you've got the VMS system configured.G I'd go for giving it a fixed IP address, this may mean that you have to H assign all your machines fixed IP addresses to avoid conflicts caused byI DHCP. My SOHO router allows me to specify the range of addresses used for ? DHCP, but I don't think your ADSL modem will allow that sort of  sophistication.      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:59:30 -0400 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 3 Subject: Re: DHCP and ADSL: no view from outside??? 2 Message-ID: <3CE7E802.8C4CCAAD@firstdbasource.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:  > G > I have no route if I use 192.168.1.1 (the outer leg of the router) or  > 192.168.1.2 (the inner leg). > R > When trying to access a site, I get "resolving host www.hp.com" then "www.hp.com" > could not be found bla bla bla". >  > D. >  > Michael Austin wrote:  > >  > ../..  > > OpenVMS and Unix/Linux:  > > H > > While you can set up VMS to be a DHCP Client, there are features andI > > applications that simply will make this unmanageable and a real pain. J > > (like the technical terms?) It is generally recommended that your SOHOL > > LAN DHCP Server be configured to serve from 192.168.1.5 to 192.168.1.100J > > (substitute your router IP address range).  Configure your TCPIP stackJ > > on OpenVMS to be an address greater than this range such that they canI > > never intefere.  Remember, there are certain ranges that are used for1C > > LAN configurations and the Router does the NAT (Network Address  > > Translation).s > > B > > The following address are NON-ROUTABLE IP addresses to be used > > specifically for LANs. > > 192.168.xxx.xxx  > > 10.xxx.xxx.xxx > >sL > > Get the WAN DNS information from your router or your ISP and enter it inC > > your BIND Resolver configuration (SET/SHOW NAME in TCPIP V5.1).h > >WF > > Once this is connected, you should now be able to ping a server on
 > > Internet.a  G Can you give me an exact diagram of your DSL connection - from the wallnC to the VMS system?  Also give me exact devices (make/model) and anyc# sofware involved in the connection.p  E I think I am missing a piece of this pie somewhere.  This information 5 will help me figure out what is causing your problem.s   -- , Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163a7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)f 704-236-4377 (Mobile)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:37:09 +1000t= From: "Mark\(unMASK\)Forsyth" <forsytMhm@optAushoSme.com.aKu>t Subject: Re: Diskeeper Usage5 Message-ID: <13CD834C4BA0AF8EB940B1814F63AE4F@plague>r  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3CE5CD00.D46EA076@fsi.net...  > Jack Trachtman wrote:o > > H > > We have used the Diskeeper defragmentor for years on single node VMS > > systems with good results. > >SH > > I am now looking at using it in a Cluster, and where the application > > uses Oracle 8i.c > >XG > > Does anyone have any experience in this usage that they can commentr > > on?  Thanksn >AA > Well, not first hand experience, but my partner at work (*VERY* I > knowledgeable) recommends strongly against throwing Oracle *ANY* curves A > at all! Experience at work to date seems to support his advice.t  L I'llk second that[1]. Don't let ANYTHING except Oracle have at Oracle files.B Doing so leads to periods where the diet consists solely of thingsL containing caffeine and pizza. Your friendly, local DBA, although being VERY4 bloody local indeed, will be FAR from friendly...:-)   Ooroo 	 Mark F... J [1] 1st. hand experience, although with DFO rather than Diskeeper. The DBA> was well beyond apoplectic and many hard questions were asked.K I'm reliably informed that PerfectDisk causes similar ructions in the camp.a >t > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems, > http://www.djesys.com/ >n* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:06:33 +0100- From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>: Subject: Re: Diskeeper Usage) Message-ID: <3CE7BF79.E4151963@Omond.net>A   "Mark(unMASK)Forsyth" wrote:   > [... snip ...] >2M > I'll second that[1]. Don't let ANYTHING except Oracle have at Oracle files.rD > Doing so leads to periods where the diet consists solely of thingsN > containing caffeine and pizza. Your friendly, local DBA, although being VERY6 > bloody local indeed, will be FAR from friendly...:-) >  > Ooroot > Mark F...tL > [1] 1st. hand experience, although with DFO rather than Diskeeper. The DBA@ > was well beyond apoplectic and many hard questions were asked.M > I'm reliably informed that PerfectDisk causes similar ructions in the camp.   F I'm genuinely curious to know why.  Can you expand a bit on why OracleH should care if a file is moved (and made more contiguous) ?  I'd presumeC that the file was not open at the time (otherwise DFO wouldn't haveh touched it).  	 Roy Omondi Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 02 15:06:23 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)b6 Subject: Re: Forced migration to HPHUX - Storm Warning) Message-ID: <sdOSRTm8eS6x@elias.decus.ch>u   In article <ac2n81$5cg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >  > # > Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote:a > L >> Then why upgrade at all? Supposedly to move to GS320 boxes running VMS... >> n >  > F > The customer is expecting to have to increase their transaction rateD > by a factor of 4. The current GS140's which are either 8 or 10 CPUF > systems did not have the capacity to accomodate this, hence the plan9 > proposed by Compaq to swap out the GS140's for GS320's.- > D > Now even if you accept that a 32 CPU GS320 will be 4 x faster thanD > a 10 CPU GS140 (something we all know to be questionable borderingB > on the highly unlikely) the requirment to be running 7.3 was not) > helpfull as it turned out in this case.  >   E And the flaw in that is that V7.3 is _not_ a requirement for a GS320.    __
 Paul Sture Switzerlanda   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:06:50 +0200t- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> " Subject: HP startup screen anyone?' Message-ID: <3CE7874A.A926CC27@Free.fr>e  O Who has a nice New HP startup screen to clean up my PWS configuration, with alle" these COMPAQ letters everywhere...   D. -- k2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans1 Visit: http://www.softresint.com/AlphaMigrate.htmp2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:09:31 +0000 (UTC)i From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk# Subject: Re: ISE just spammed me...)+ Message-ID: <ac8f7b$es0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>n  c In article <dyaRBsowwAmZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:4] >In article <3CE6ECBD.EBB980E5@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:oQ >> I have been getting something called "ISE newsletter" for quite some time now.nO >> Since it is in HTML, I always delete it before allowing Netscape to open it.uM >> Didn't even know it was VMS related. Maybe I should open it. Is there somee >> "unsubscribe" button in it ?e >aE >You are free to do what you want, but nobody should ever be requiredtC >to "unsubscribe" from something to which they did not "subscribe".lA >Some spammers try to claim that the presence of an "unsubscribe"v% >address means something is not spam.. > M Unfortunately using the unsubscribe address with some spammers will guaranteesM you receive more spam. By using the address you have just confirmed that the  5 address they are spamming is an active email address.u  K In general I tend to use SPAMCOP (http://spamcop.net) to anonymously reportiN the spammers to the ISPs involved. This is a free and relatively simple to use	 service. s  J For any reputable company spamming is counter-productive. Not only do theyH upset people who might if they found out about the company in other waysO have become customers. They also risk being put on either general blacklists or O individual sites blacklists. The former they can probably get themselves out of.K after a time. The latter they might never get out of since they will not in0@ general be told that they have been placed in a sites blacklist.    @ >It is also quite possible for one person to receive as spam theA >same message that another person receives because they asked for ( >it, or in extreme case paid to receive. >t >--   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:17:37 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>t Subject: Re: No new Alpha salesp+ Message-ID: <kmPF8.2845$zV.61083@sccrnsc02>a  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CE4C6E0.93FB62B4@videotron.ca... > Phillip Helbig wrote:aL > > customers.  Most HP customers don't know what VMS is.  And I'm sure thatJ > > all people who don't just contribute to the newsgroup but actually buyK > > VMS hardware don't base their purchasing decisions on what's in today'sa > > version of a web page. >rF > VMS's death has been predicted by many, including Palmer et all, and Gartner, > for a long long time.B  I Yeah, both of the aforementioned are about as infallible as the Pope, eh?    ROTFLMAO  K PS-- Isn't Gartner the outfit that told CPQ not to do the port, yadda yaddat7 yadda because it would be a round peg in a square hole?r  K The utter codswallop that some people with more money than brains will takew" at face value utterly astounds me.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:18:24 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: No new Alpha salesSA Message-ID: <kfQF8.48227$e66.4546146@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>s  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message% news:kmPF8.2845$zV.61083@sccrnsc02...u   ...   H > The utter codswallop that some people with more money than brains will take$ > at face value utterly astounds me.  % Me, too - especially after last June.-   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:11:10 +0200@' From: Bitnissen <bitnissen@hotmail.com>r Subject: Re: print queue namee8 Message-ID: <8dneeukroskfj6mp2elf5gjdudlmvpo2q3@4ax.com>  D On Sun, 19 May 2002 14:29:22 +0900, "David Lee" <phongle@kornet.net> wrote:  J >How/Where do I set and assign a queue name to SYS$PRINT so I can print it8 >without specifying a queue name everytime when I print?
 >Thank you >a Hi David  ' Try $define sys$print <your queue mame>r  & Add /system if you want it system wide  	 :-) Jimmi    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:15:12 +0000 (UTC)h From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk# Subject: Re: Stallards smoking gun! + Message-ID: <ac88h0$cpq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>-  h In article <d7791aa1.0205181110.779be7bd@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:] >Daniel Clar <Daniel.Clar@supelec.fr> wrote in message news:<3CE6574A.7E627D75@supelec.fr>...lR >> Yes the first version was ugly. But it seems that they want lead people leaving7 >> OpenVMS to their Unix instead of other vendors ones.i >i; >are you kidding?  VMS users would move to freevms or OS400m# >before they would move to unix ...    Bob,   What world are you living in ?O Firstly freevms isn't anywhere near being a real operating system. Any form of tE Unix (or even Microsoft product) would be better than that currently.sC OS400 I can't really comment on since I don't know enough about it.n  L However although they may not like it many VMS users will be forced (and areC currently being forced) to move to Unix because of the dwindling ofI applications available on VMS.M When the application which your business has been using succesfully on VMS istM dropped and the vendor recommends their new version on Unix and sites lots ofeH customers running it successfully on Unix it becomes a bit difficult to K argue against that move. This is especially the case if none of the vendorssH competitors are supplying a VMS product (or if they do still provide oneH still push their Unix version because their staff know more about Unix).  J Although it's not generally a good idea to emulate the flies and eat sh*t < you'd better get a taste for it if it's the only food going.      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:28:21 +0000 (UTC)t From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk# Subject: Re: Stallards smoking gun!?+ Message-ID: <ac899l$cvu$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>u  \ In article <3CE6AF25.7150EA92@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Daniel Clar wrote:JR >> Yes the first version was ugly. But it seems that they want lead people leaving7 >> OpenVMS to their Unix instead of other vendors ones.  >s >Dah ! > O >For years, the biggest problems Digital, Compaq and now HP have had is to findtH >a way to get folks off VMS and migrate to their own replacement system.M >Digital failed royally and customers went to competitors. Compaq realised itmO >could not pitch NT as a replacement for VMS, so it had no replacement it couldc >present to VMS customers. > N >HP is different since it has "a" leading Unix solution with one of the better& >inventory of available applications.  >eN HP-UX may have a large market share but it is not a good Unix. Tru64 is a much' better Unix from a technical viewpoint.s  J >While it was easy to ditch Digital in favour of HP IBM or Sun, it becomesL >harder to ditch HP in favour if Sun or IBM since the choices have narrowed,1 >especially if you already have HP gear in house.e >r  K This may be true if you already use HP-UX. However by the same token it was H natural for Compaq's VMS customers who wished to move to Unix to move toM TRU64. Many did. However lots more went to SUN and IBM (and some even went toe HP).  L I don't think this will change. Application availability will push people to9 SUN. Performance and other factors will push them to IBM.,8 HP-UX appears to be secondbest in just about every area.  M >This may be why HP will be more agressive in trying to migrate VMS customersgN >off VMS.  The fact that the question was just "toned down" instead of removedM >alltogether in the volatile VMS roadmap document is an indication to me thaty >the policy hasn't changed.  >t  O I seriously doubt many VMS users would consider moving to HP-UX rather than one K of the other Unix vendors - thats even without considering the bad feelingse) concerning HP generated by recent events.n    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    L >If they really didn't intend to hope VMS customers will get off VMS to gotoA >Unix, they would have replaced the question with something like:a >tK >Q: What VMS development strategies can customers expect in the long term ? I >A: The first step will be declaring VAX-VMS mature, with only updates toBL >ensure interoperability with new versions of VMS on Alpha and IA64.  With aJ >shared code-base, we can expect Alpha and IA64 version of VMS to match atK >least until 2006. Once demand for Alpha-VMS drops, it too will be delcarednL >mature with only updates to ensure operability, after which, development of0 >VMS will continue with no end in sight on IA64.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:13:59 GMTo1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>i# Subject: Re: Stallards smoking gun!a+ Message-ID: <XiPF8.2786$zV.59679@sccrnsc02>o  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CE6C8A8.D88E9885@videotron.ca... > "Main, Kerry" wrote:L > > Yep, and here is a pointer to just a few of the Cust's and ISV's jumping > > on the IPF bandwagon:o >  > F > Mr Main, I do not know about the rest of customers, but to me, those attempsaJ > from Compaq to show customers who supported the murder of Alpha actually hurtK > Compaq more than it helped. It was very obvious spin control, and one hasa toL > wonder what Compaq had to do for those customers to agree to be associated& > with the Compaq prepared statements. >lL > Secondly, as far as ISVs are concerned, I think that HP will have to startK > from scratch following the HP announcements of product roadmaps.  Will HP  workI > to get Oracle to port its applications, or will HP be happy with Oracle  just! > porting the database back end ?t  F Is that a rhetorical question, or what. FYI HWP was very interested inI acquiring TruCluster technology ) AdvFS, DLM, cluster file system, sharediJ root, etc) long before the merger or the Alphacide ever took place. Oracle* tipped HWP off during the Huron project...   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 07:06:04 GMT 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>5 Subject: Re: TCPIP$PRINTCAP.DAT/UCX$PRINTCAP.DAT filer* Message-ID: <3CE7770F.FCD5B1A@digital.com>   Kevin Heikkila wrote:e > E > Does anyone have DCL code that will, add queues to the PRINTCAP.DAT E > file or delete queues from the PRINTCAP.DAT file? I know that I cantH > manually edit the file and do this, but I would like to add the queues* > using DCL (I don't wish to use LPRSETUP)    just out of curiosity - Why not?   Mike -- -E ---------------------------------------------------------------------JE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.e? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*tF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----o Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------a   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2002 00:08:07 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>H Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 upgrade problems - a bad workman blaming his tools?0 Message-ID: <87ptzsnms8.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  F > Gee - if Dileep has been working on Itanic all that time, I wouldn't# > call that a great resume-stuffer.L  xF > But I do see that your tune seems to be changing from "Just wait forD > McKinley!" to "Just wait until the Alpha team can [crosses fingersD > and prays a lot] wrestle this mess into something usable after the > next few years of effort!"  C I suspect that we already DO have McKinley, and that the Merced wasgF shot and all the names slid down. The last delay in 99 or so was about' the right lenght to shove x86 into McK.    -- E< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.276 ************************