1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 26 May 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 290       Contents: Re: cheapest VMS system in US  Re: cheapest VMS system in US  error reading TK70. Re: HP doesn't listen any more than CPQ or DEC. Re: HP doesn't listen any more than CPQ or DEC. Re: HP doesn't listen any more than CPQ or DEC MacDynDNS and ADSL NAT Routers" Re: MacDynDNS and ADSL NAT Routers" Re: MacDynDNS and ADSL NAT Routers pbxga-aa/an on PWS500au  TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2 Re: Who cares about marketing!# Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 13:47:32 GMT * From: 2damncommon <2damncommon@nospam.com>& Subject: Re: cheapest VMS system in US8 Message-ID: <UH5I8.101551$lg4.1016733@news.easynews.com>   Baby Peanut wrote:  H > You do end up with a system with console-only access (no networking orH > X11 in SIMH yet) that you are not able to do any real work with due toE > the license.  Unless you have a big honking PC it will be slow too, C > but you get the benefit of zero additional footprint and hardware F > maintenance over your existing PC.  Can anyone beat a bottom line of& > $120 for a full OpenVMS V7.2 system?  @ Associate membership to participate in Hobbyist Program  = $0.003 http://www.encompassus.org/membership/benefits.html   % Open VMS Hobbyist CD-VAX kit = $30.00 + http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html   : Charon-Vax for Linux (or Windows) Hobbyist Version = $0.00. http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm  * Hours and hours spent reading docs = $0.00# http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ 0 http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm  L I hope these products will continue to be available for the hobbyist at low 1 or no cost. I very much enjoy learning about VMS.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2002 08:05:13 -0700( From: baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)& Subject: Re: cheapest VMS system in US< Message-ID: <c5cf6e8.0205260705.10503215@posting.google.com>  k "Jafir Elkurd" <jafir.no.spam@msn.no.spam.com> wrote in message news:<uevp3dkohdped5@corp.supernews.com>... N > Yes.  I paid nothing for my hobbyist license.  I paid about 50 dollars for a: > DEC 3000/700, and about 30 dollars for my copy of 7.2-1. > B > (you don't have to be a full member to get the hobbyist license)  = Where do you order the OpenVMS media without being a DECUS or B EncompassUS member?  This site clearly states you must be a member  - https://www.montagar.com/htbin/ohp_mediaorder   < If I could drop the membership price out I'd be down to $30.   > So I am up to about $80. >  > 7 > "Baby Peanut" <baby_p_nut@yahoo.com> wrote in message 8 > news:c5cf6e8.0205250937.73ce8702@posting.google.com...I > > Seems that if you already have an IA32 PC you can run VMS on SIMH VAX  > > A > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3CC699E7.372%40vcn.bc.ca  > > 5 > > So the hardware is a no-cost item for most of us.  > > 7 > > An EncompassUS membership is $90 for an individual.  > > 3 > > http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.html  > > C > > A VMS for VAX hobbyist kit is $30 (once they start selling them  > > again.)  > > / > > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html  > > J > > You do end up with a system with console-only access (no networking orJ > > X11 in SIMH yet) that you are not able to do any real work with due toG > > the license.  Unless you have a big honking PC it will be slow too, E > > but you get the benefit of zero additional footprint and hardware H > > maintenance over your existing PC.  Can anyone beat a bottom line of( > > $120 for a full OpenVMS V7.2 system?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 12:03:57 +0200 ( From: "Pino Gargiulo" <jk3380@naida.org> Subject: error reading TK70 2 Message-ID: <acqc2l$6si$1@fe2.cs.interbusiness.it>   Hello,  H Mine is probably a novice question but I could not find an answer in the FAQs. J I have an old microVax 3300 with a TK70. I'm trying to read some old tapes that1 were wrttien years ago by someone no longer here.   H Mounting a couple of  tapes with mount/nowrite/ov=id mua0: revealed that there C are several savesets on them. On two tapes this procuder results in   H     %MOUNT-F-DEVOFFLINE, device is not in configuration or not available  J while the other three don't have problems. However if I do a backup/list I can J list part of the tape, only the saveset that has the same name as the tape
 label, the  other files on tape are ignored.  K I read all the help pages of backup but could not understand what I'm doing  wrong.   HELP!    /Pino    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2002 10:33:57 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)7 Subject: Re: HP doesn't listen any more than CPQ or DEC = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0205260933.1ef49fb4@posting.google.com>   s "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<aWzG8.63883$ah_.16113@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...  > K > And for both h/w and s/w that's only binding for as long as the corporate M > entity legally exists...so Bob, you better hope that HP doesn't go bankrupt 0 > before 2006 else you'll never make it to 2011. >   @ so what, that would be the best thing that could happen possiblyB for VMS ... maybe then I will buy it cheap at the courthouse thereA in CA. ... how much do you think VMS would go for at the auction?    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2002 10:36:50 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)7 Subject: Re: HP doesn't listen any more than CPQ or DEC = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0205260936.1b9ead67@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3CEAC13D.937CB968@videotron.ca>...  > John Smith wrote: Q > ## customers who are very loyal and don't want to move to anything else and we' G > ## re going to support them until they don't want to use it anymore.   > I > What is needed is for HP to make us want VMS. They err in thinking that L > without any TLC from HP, VMS customers will stay on VMS. History has shownM > that lack of care and feeding of VMS not only results in loss of customers, / > but has also brought down 2 companies so far.  >   @ we already want vms ... to grow the business they need to marketA it properly so other people who are sick and tired of the install , and patch os's, windoze/unix/linux, want it!   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2002 10:49:13 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)7 Subject: Re: HP doesn't listen any more than CPQ or DEC = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0205260949.331db43b@posting.google.com>   Z David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message news:<3CEC2B5C.75211850@caltech.edu>.../ > Easier said than done.  Convince the other OS 3 > customers that they need to migrate and they will 6 > consider ALL their options.  That includes also IBM,7 > Sun, Windows (blech) and even Linux.  If they migrate : > to Windows they will look long and hard at Dell and many > will like what they see. > ? > When has it not been so?  Digital pushed VMS users to migrate < > to OSF/1 and lost customers in droves.  Digital and Compaq< > pushed VMS users to migrate to NT and lost more customers. >   ? I think I have figured this all out ... they were/all trying to @ use the Bill Gates marketing approach ... VMS is the best os out@ there, and what good is stability, because then, no one wants to> move, which means less new sales for hw/sw, and that makes the@ bean counters (Capellas) very unhappy ... so what do you do, youB come out and pormise the sky and lie to get everyone on the thing,B then when the s&@! starts flying (bugs, blue screens) you roll outC and whole new product and promise that if you only move to this new B platform, everything will be much better, we just sent our emps toB 1 month security school training and everything is now great, then? when the s#$! flies again, you come out with the next purchase  = option, that's how it is with windoze, and unix/linux ... VMS C stability means less new sales after the level of market saturation B (VMS late 80's) has been reached, and even though it has 20+ yearsD of research, best clustering, security around, you try to get people@ to buy new hw/sw (NT), then linux, then whats next, winex?  It'sA a chain letter scheme, and unless they can get you to move, then  D they can't sell ... they don't care if VMS bring in 4 billion a yearE in stable revenue, they want to feed their windoze/linux bean counter H monster w/new sales ... so, wise up people and quit feeding the monster!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 10:50:50 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> ' Subject: MacDynDNS and ADSL NAT Routers ' Message-ID: <3CF0A1EA.906A1750@Free.fr>   N Since I have asked my ISP for a fixed IP address, and since I have received anP answer saying that they do not provide such feature for the moment, I have found* that my DHCP IP address changes every day.  L I wanted to use MacDynDNS http://clients.dyndns.org/mac.php to automaticallyO update my  dtl.dnsalias.net address but this tool gives me back the internal IP L address of my MAC, i.e. 192.168.1.2 and updates the DynDNS database with it, which is obviously useless.   8 I still do not know how to configure my ADSL NAT router.  E Does someone in here have experience with MacDynDNS and ADSL routers?   0 Thank you (and welcome to France, Mr President).   D. --  2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans1 Visit: http://www.softresint.com/AlphaMigrate.htm 2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 11:03:34 +0200 / From: Frederik Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org> + Subject: Re: MacDynDNS and ADSL NAT Routers / Message-ID: <acq8d7$1qj$03$1@news.t-online.com>    Hi!   / could you tell me what this has to do with VMS? $ You just posted in comp.os.vms JFYI.   Greetings - Freddy   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2002 12:52:58 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> + Subject: Re: MacDynDNS and ADSL NAT Routers 6 Message-ID: <20020526125258.31545.qmail@gacracker.org>  E On Sun, 26 May 2002, Frederik Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org> wrote:  >Hi! > 0 >could you tell me what this has to do with VMS?% >You just posted in comp.os.vms JFYI.   H In a rather roundabout way Didier is trying to get a VMS system onto theI internet, but you're right he'd probably be better asking about MacDynDNS  in a mac newsgroup.   K BTW Didier, If you have Perl on any of your machines I can provide you with K help to get a cjb.net address (eg morandi.cjb.net) working. As to your ADSL  router, what type?     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 16:27:06 +0100  From: EdL <edl@euronet.nl>  Subject: pbxga-aa/an on PWS500au+ Message-ID: <B916BD5A.1344B%edl@euronet.nl>   
 Hi there,   7 I have a PWS 500au system but cannot figure out why the 0 PCI graphics adapter PBXGA-AA/AN is not working.  7 Does anyone have the manual of this card, I really need A to know the place of the card (PCI slot) and the jumper settings.    Thanks in advance, Edwin   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 15:36:10 +0200 < From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> Subject: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2 4 Message-ID: <acqoc7$rk1d1$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Hi all,   : ever since having set up CSWS 1.0 I have observed that the; web server becomes unresponsive now and then (once in three = days up to a few times a day). No problem, I wrote a DCL/Perl @ script that probes the secondary addresses the virtual sites runC under and restarts CSWS if it doesn't get a response in 15 seconds. = After installing CSWS 1.2 (including update 2.0) however, the = intervals at which my script triggers have gone down to every  30 minutes!   : After reading that UCX has similar problems that had to do8 with the backlog queue, I set the BACKLOG_LIMIT to 4096. No change. :-((   = My configuration is rather unusual in that this is a two-node > cluster with a shared SCSI data disk (which holds the files of? the virtual sites as well as their CSWS log files). All virtual @ sites are IP based, with the IP addresses defined /CLUSTER. CSWS> runs on both machines with the same shared configuration file.  8 Anyone has an idea what's happening, and how to cure it,5 or at least how to get an idea of what's going wrong?    Thanks in advance.   cu,    Martin --  J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2002 10:57:48 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)' Subject: Re: Who cares about marketing! = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0205260957.1e00d184@posting.google.com>    winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A0E6B9.E0816D8F@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...j > In article <htuH8.8$4g7.12567@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:8 > >IBM cares about marketing. So does Sun. And it shows. > > ? > >The US Democratic Party cares about marketing. And it shows.  > > J > >HPQ and the Republican Party, who arguably offer superior products, areN > >often marginalized by oversights, gaffes, inattention, or nonresponsiveness > >on the marketing front. > ( > This is ludicrously off-topic, but ... > J > The Republican Party is completely, completely aware of marketing.  TheyK > produce a unified message-of-the-day and message-of-the-week and do their J > best to make sure  that everyone who speaks to the media is on-message. G > (You can see the results of this by watching the news or, especially, I > listening to political discussion shows, especially as spokespeople try I > hard to steer whatever the question is around to where they can deliver  > today's message.)  > L > If the Republicans were selling VMS, every talk-radio listener in America  > would know about VMS.  > 	 > -- Alan  >   C maybe on Fox, but not the other Democrat owned slanted networks ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 10:53:35 GMT 1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> , Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins7 Message-ID: <P83I8.2493$06.328911@nasal.pacific.net.au>   0 Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:  ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ) > news:87adqo9o1m.fsf@prep.synonet.com... $ >> Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes: >>  M > A shame that we can't emulate the Aussies and use multicolored, multi-sized N > folding currency made out of Mylar. The see-thru panel is a nice touch, too.  C 	A bit of a warning with the Aussie money here. Do not _heat_ them, D 	like iron it accidently, washing, etc., as your 50 bucks note might= 	become a ~28 dollar note :-) ! It seems the designers didn't C 	think of everything, heat sensitivity is one of them. ( This might A 	have been fixed by now, but it was a problem in the beginning. )   > 	And to correct JF, the biggest coin here is the 50 cent one, < 	a HUGE, 12-sided heavy coin. The 20 cent one is moderate in= 	comparison. The 2 and 1 cent ones only went away a few years 9 	back though, but prices still marked as 2.99 or 3.98 :-) B 	What they do is that at the end of the additions they round up ifB 	the sum ends in 8 or 9, like for 12.98 you pay 13.00, and 6 and 7. 	down. All even out in the long term, I guess.  ? 	As for folding notes, don't kid yourself, they don't. They are = 	too "plastic" for that, hard to shape. Although ATM machines  	do cope, it seems...  						Cheers,   Csaba   I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush. I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------K;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 15:56:19 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>D, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins7 Message-ID: <DA7I8.440$YV2.745652@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>   3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in messageo6 news:cc5619f2.0205252137.d0142bc@posting.google.com...* > system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message, news:<00A0E696.DC57866D@SendSpamHere.ORG>...7 > > In article <AhzFd50yTkle@eisner.encompasserve.org>,m- young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:mB > > >In article <9f261edc.0205240546.56ab8dc6@posting.google.com>,/ tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell) writes:e > > >c > > >>E > > >> Still haven't got all the Americanisms out of my vocab.  .....t > > >> But at least I say I > > >> Montana & Louisiana properly (instead of "montarna" & "louisiarna" I > > >> which really irritates me). When Clinton was in the White House, InL > > >> even heard a UK newscaster pronounce "Arkansas" as it's spelled. Dear? > > >> oh dear, 10 seconds research would have sorted that out.  > > >> > > >gH > > > You don't have to leave the country to get bizarre pronunciations.K > > > When visiting Pennsylvania and/or after moving back, it is surprisingmF > > > how many Penn. folks pronounce Illinois as "Ill-a-noise" instead  > > > of the correct "Ill-a-noi" > > > 	 > > > Rob  > >  > >  > >nG > > Ne'er heard that in all my years as a Penna. native.  Where did you2 happen > > to hear that adulteration? >eG > All you need to know about Illinois is in the standard pronunciation.oB > Ill.  Annoy.  Put them together and you have this unhappy state.  G That about covers the Land of Lincoln. But what of Kansas and Arkansas?a  6 Why is Kansas "Kan-suhs" and Arkansas is "Ar-can-saw?"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.290 ************************