1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 28 May 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 293       Contents:2 Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?2 Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?2 RE: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?2 RE: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?2 Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?2 RE: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?" Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins" Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins" Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins; Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work... 1 Re: does Digital Networks not want any business?? - Re: Forced migration to HPHUX - Storm Warning - Re: Forced migration to HPHUX - Storm Warning  Re: Future of forms  Re: Future of forms  Re: Future of forms  OT: Units (was  USofA'an coins)  Re: pbxga-aa/an on PWS500au  RF74 HDA formatting." Re: RMS: How many XABs do I need ?0 Re: TIme conversions between C-time and VMS-time Re: VAX emulators (was freeVMS) # Re: VMS Clusters with FDDI/Ethernet # Re: Volume shadowing and a disaster  Re: Which Unix for VMS users ?# Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:48:54 +0200 & From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>; Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? $ Message-ID: <3CF28DA6.31DF@c-lab.de>   Tom Linden wrote:  >  > >-----Original Message-----   K > >It ought to be.  We got "dime" from Spanish, if memory serves.  (I think $ > >we also got "dollar" from there.)N > I think dollar most recently came from German "Taler" and that came from ...  F I also think so. 'Thaler' is actually a short-form of 'Joachimsthaler'A and refers to the town Joachimsthal in the late middle age in the F 'Erzgebirge', now in the Czech Republic. There were many silver mines,E then, and the coins that were made under the Habsburgian kings became  very popular in European trade.   B The dollar sign itself '$', was taken from Spanish dublones, IIRC.   --  * Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:40:49 +0200 & From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>; Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? # Message-ID: <3CF28BC1.ABD@c-lab.de>    Dave Weatherall wrote: >    > G > Well I can't watch Jimmy Stewart or John Wayne dubbed :-) Newer stuff C > is obviously less of a problem. If I watch X-Files in the UK, for $ > example, it almost sounds wrong... >   C The dubbing-voice (actually, the actor) of  John Wayne was actually G 'approved' by himself. Don't think that the voices are strange, perhaps F for some B/C movies that appear in dozens in the private channels, butD else the dubbing actors are carefully selected and usually stay with their 'visual' actor.   G There was even an old crime/detective series, 77 Sunset Strip (in B/W), C that was really 'overdubbed'. One of the characters got a 'miscued' G voice (Cookie, not sure) which made the plot actually so funny that the   series became a cult in Germany.  E OTOH, when I saw Nash Bridges in original, I was rather shocked about H the ridiculous original voice of  Don Johnson. The German actor gave him3 much more seriousness than his original voice did !      --  * Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:58:57 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ; Subject: RE: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEBOFBAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- . >From: Michael Joosten [mailto:joost@c-lab.de]$ >Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 12:41 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? >  >  >Dave Weatherall wrote:  >>   >  >>  H >> Well I can't watch Jimmy Stewart or John Wayne dubbed :-) Newer stuffD >> is obviously less of a problem. If I watch X-Files in the UK, for% >> example, it almost sounds wrong...  >>   > D >The dubbing-voice (actually, the actor) of  John Wayne was actuallyH >'approved' by himself. Don't think that the voices are strange, perhapsG >for some B/C movies that appear in dozens in the private channels, but E >else the dubbing actors are carefully selected and usually stay with  >their 'visual' actor.  F I remember years ago when I was living in Germany, I saw a dubbed JohnG Wayne western, and the scene I remember best is when he strolls in to a E bar pulls his gun, and in a gruff german voice not unlike his own, he 0 says "Haende Hoch"!  I thought it very humorous. > H >There was even an old crime/detective series, 77 Sunset Strip (in B/W),D >that was really 'overdubbed'. One of the characters got a 'miscued'H >voice (Cookie, not sure) which made the plot actually so funny that the! >series became a cult in Germany.  > F >OTOH, when I saw Nash Bridges in original, I was rather shocked aboutI >the ridiculous original voice of  Don Johnson. The German actor gave him 4 >much more seriousness than his original voice did ! >  >  >-- + >Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de + >Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany - >Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 606065 9 >C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:58:35 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ; Subject: RE: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBOFBAA.tom@kednos.com>   ? Was also used in Sweden in 19th century as the Rikstaler tr. as > Reichsthaler in German and I guess Imperial dollar in English.: So you see I used the swedish rather than german spelling.   >-----Original Message----- . >From: Michael Joosten [mailto:joost@c-lab.de]$ >Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 12:49 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? >  >  >Tom Linden wrote: >> >> >-----Original Message----- > L >> >It ought to be.  We got "dime" from Spanish, if memory serves.  (I think% >> >we also got "dollar" from there.) A >> I think dollar most recently came from German "Taler" and that  >came from ... > G >I also think so. 'Thaler' is actually a short-form of 'Joachimsthaler' B >and refers to the town Joachimsthal in the late middle age in theG >'Erzgebirge', now in the Czech Republic. There were many silver mines, F >then, and the coins that were made under the Habsburgian kings became  >very popular in European trade. > C >The dollar sign itself '$', was taken from Spanish dublones, IIRC.  >  >-- + >Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de + >Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany - >Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 606065 9 >C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 23:06:36 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ; Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? ' Message-ID: <3CF29FDC.E26415D2@aaa.com>    Hm, should be "Riksdaler".  7 We in Sweden even these days often say "riksdaler" when A we meen "kronor" (crownes). A bit like the "bucks" in the US, but 	 riksdaler C is actualy the old name. In the US that had been "State-dollar" :-)   @ It's fun to see a name of an old middle age town living on in so many ways...  C I wounder if the english words "teller" and "tally" also comes from  Joachimsthal ?   Are we OT or are we ?    Jan-Erik Sderholm.        Tom Linden wrote:  > A > Was also used in Sweden in 19th century as the Rikstaler tr. as @ > Reichsthaler in German and I guess Imperial dollar in English.< > So you see I used the swedish rather than german spelling. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:32:57 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ; Subject: RE: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICECDFBAA.tom@kednos.com>   G Quite right, had forgotten, once had a riksdaler banko note, long since J lost.  I think teller and tally probably come from zahler and zahle, whichB in low german dialects the "z" would have been replaced with a "T"  % Definitely OT, two stroke penalty :-)      >-----Original Message----- . >From: Jan-Erik Sderholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com]# >Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 2:07 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? >  >  >Hm, should be "Riksdaler".  > 8 >We in Sweden even these days often say "riksdaler" whenB >we meen "kronor" (crownes). A bit like the "bucks" in the US, but
 >riksdalerD >is actualy the old name. In the US that had been "State-dollar" :-) > A >It's fun to see a name of an old middle age town living on in so 
 >many ways...  > D >I wounder if the english words "teller" and "tally" also comes from >Joachimsthal ?  >  >Are we OT or are we ? >  >Jan-Erik Sderholm. >  >  >  >Tom Linden wrote: >>B >> Was also used in Sweden in 19th century as the Rikstaler tr. asA >> Reichsthaler in German and I guess Imperial dollar in English. = >> So you see I used the swedish rather than german spelling.  >> >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:31:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins , Message-ID: <3CF28979.B70339CE@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:J > Lots of places in the U.S. have signs placed prominently explaining that@ > they will balk at or not accept at all bills in excess of $20.  N One of the reasons that the USA finally started to change its currency in 1995N as I recall was that high quality counterfeit bills had begun to be widespread@ enough that BANKS in europe would stop accepting $100 USA bills.  G This meant that the USA was effectively losing its "accepted worldwide"  currency status.  M Interestingly enough, the circulation of USA currency outside the USA is such N that it will take a very long time for the USA to repatriate all the old bills and destroy/replace them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:30:55 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2705022030550001@11cust128.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  5 In article <3CF28979.B70339CE@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    >"David J. Dachtera" wrote: K >> Lots of places in the U.S. have signs placed prominently explaining that A >> they will balk at or not accept at all bills in excess of $20.   I For years, 7-11 stores were the most often robbed stores in the U.S.  The H "no large bills" policy is an attempt to limit the amount of cash in the store to discourage robbers.  O >One of the reasons that the USA finally started to change its currency in 1995 O >as I recall was that high quality counterfeit bills had begun to be widespread A >enough that BANKS in europe would stop accepting $100 USA bills.   J The fraction of circulating US currency that is counterfeit is miniscule. H The old-style notes were already very secure; counting machines in major4 banks catch the counterfeits the first time through.  E Foreign banks had the (false) idea that U.S. money was easy to fake.  I Because the anti-counterfeit devices in U.S. money are different from the E ones typically used in Europe, some bank tellers probably thought the F money was easy to copy.  A lot of FUD accumulated about bad U.S. notesG over the years.  The statistics of bad notes found in circulation never  supported the FUD.  I The current notes have features designed to make it easier for a _person_ H to spot a bad note.  A number of studies have shown that it is very hardJ to fool the face-recognition circuitry in our brains.  The large portraitsF on the new notes look "wrong" unless a copy is virtually perfect.  TheC paper is also very distinctive.  Even a very good photocopier can't H duplicate the paper.  Fancy-color printing is not particularly harder toH copy than the two-tone notes we use, and color variations are harder forG our brains to catch than badly-copied faces.  At least, that's what the  studies I've seen have found.   E But the primary protection still comes from automated machinery.  Bad H notes get caught rather quickly, and anyone who makes them stands a veryH good chance of getting caught.  Most bad notes never circulate; prolificE counterfeiters typically are caught before they can spend much of the 1 money, and the bulk of the notes are confiscated.    N >Interestingly enough, the circulation of USA currency outside the USA is suchO >that it will take a very long time for the USA to repatriate all the old bills  >and destroy/replace them.  J Any place where people are nervous about the old notes, I assume they willJ stop circulating in favor of the new ones.  The old ones will be sent back5 home and sorted, and any bad ones will be weeded out.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:34:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins , Message-ID: <3CF2DEA3.25333AB2@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote: K > The fraction of circulating US currency that is counterfeit is miniscule.   F The fraction of US $100 bills circulating worldwide was not minuscule.  J > The old-style notes were already very secure; counting machines in major6 > banks catch the counterfeits the first time through.  L They were not secure. They lacked all the modern printing security measures.N And some of the official $100 printing plates had been "acquired" by a foreignG country that only recently got removed from the "terrorist black list". N Furthermore, modern colour photocopiers/scanners were getting to a point whereJ they had sufficient precision to reproduce the old bills accurately enough! provided you had the right paper.   F > Foreign banks had the (false) idea that U.S. money was easy to fake.  N It was very easy to fake. That is why foreign banks refused to handle the $100V bills which one country was printing by the ton to finance their terrorist activities.    K > Because the anti-counterfeit devices in U.S. money are different from the G > ones typically used in Europe, some bank tellers probably thought the  > money was easy to copy.   N The USA currency lacked modern anti counterfeit devices such as large picture,I microfine printing, embedded "device" (the USA chose a metal band) and of 9 course better colours. (that one hasn't been solved yet).   0 >  A lot of FUD accumulated about bad U.S. notesI > over the years.  The statistics of bad notes found in circulation never  > supported the FUD.  N The statistics supported it. The counterfiet ones were stopped "at the border"J and not in circulation in the USA but were in wide circulation outside theK USA. Such bills stayed in circulation until one bank wanted to send them toML the US Treasury, at which point the USA would detect it as a counterfeit andM the bank would lose the value of the money. That is why banks outside the USA D started to refuse those bills because they feared losing its value.   J And because foreign banks started to stop accepting US currency, the laterF risked losing is "world currency" status. This is why in 1995, the USA0 government started to introduce a new $100 bill.    K > The current notes have features designed to make it easier for a _person_  > to spot a bad note.    But the previious ones didn't.  C > But the primary protection still comes from automated machinery. c  L No. If the merchant cannot determine a fake before accepting a bill, he willI not accept any of those bills otherwise he will be stuck with a worthless I piece of paper when he deposits it at the bank who will refuse that bill.   J That is why having easily discernable features to eliminate counterfeit isE important and why machines, unless they are at stores, are worthless.s  L > Any place where people are nervous about the old notes, I assume they willL > stop circulating in favor of the new ones.  The old ones will be sent back7 > home and sorted, and any bad ones will be weeded out.-  K Not necessarily. If you are a non-USA bank with lots of old USA bank notes,tL you would rather get rid of them on the market to sent to other banks ratherC than send them back to the USA and risk losing much money because ar7 non-trivial percentage will turn out to be counterfiet.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:12:24 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>GD Subject: Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work..., Message-ID: <3CF28518.8001BB9D@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:aF > reasons may delay this and the "fallback" option of retaining MANMANF > semi-indefinitely and moving MPE sites to VMS is, at least, still on > the table.  L Why would you be moving your existing MPE sites to VMS ? Wouldn't that be anL unnecessary expense ? Isn't MPE going to be supported for X years at least ?    A > So maybe late next year there will be yet another UK VMS systemh > manager looking for work.9  N But in your case, you might get free retraining on whatever target system yourI employer chooses. One who is self employed doesn't have that luxury. Whenh you're out, you're out.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:31:09 -0400D0 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>: Subject: Re: does Digital Networks not want any business??. Message-ID: <uf5g9ep32p548@corp.supernews.com>  8 Digital Networks is alive and well and can be reached at- www.digitalnetworks.net or try Dennis MajikasoK dennis.majikas@digitalnetworks.net or dmajikas@dnpg.com if you need someone.1 in Europe try David Hindle at dhindle@dnpg.com or H david.hindle@digitalnetworks.net for sales and Mike Collins ( same email setup ) for tech support.a  ' They would LOVE to sell you some stuff.i   Alan* <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A0E67E.013974B5@SendSpamHere.ORG...E > I've been trying to contact DNPG about some equipment price quotes.o > D > Sales@ and every email address from prior conversations with folksF > at DNPG have been rejected by their mail handler.  Does anybody hereD > have an address that will get me in contact with somebody at DNPG? >o > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:42:50 +02000B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>6 Subject: Re: Forced migration to HPHUX - Storm Warning7 Message-ID: <3CF27E2A.2617@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>j   John Smith wrote:a; > > [article about police cluster with a five years uptime]L& > > Is this article available on-line? >rG > Probably at the end of the week when a new paper edition is released.n  4 I saw, that the article isn't free available (yet). & So I scanned it myself (size 266 kb) :  + http://home.wanadoo.nl/erens/openvms/ag.jpge   -- o ME Posted by news://news.nb.nua   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:16:36 GMTu# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i6 Subject: Re: Forced migration to HPHUX - Storm WarningI Message-ID: <UmxI8.127481$t8_.42830@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>c   Thank you for doing this.f    G "Michiel Erens" <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> wrote in 9 message news:3CF27E2A.2617@this.mailaddress.is.invalid...u > John Smith wrote:f= > > > [article about police cluster with a five years uptime] ( > > > Is this article available on-line? > >nI > > Probably at the end of the week when a new paper edition is released.n > 5 > I saw, that the article isn't free available (yet).m( > So I scanned it myself (size 266 kb) : >e- > http://home.wanadoo.nl/erens/openvms/ag.jpge >s > -- > ME > Posted by news://news.nb.nus   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 23:12:42 +0200t From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Future of forms& Message-ID: <3CF2A14A.3070807@home.nl>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:B >gD >> FMS is "mature" and doesn't get any more development and remains  >> bound toJ >> character cell only.g >>   >>I > I have systems that are still TDMS based and we've been trapped on VAX lI > because of this.  The migration away from TDMS would be a huge project eF > because Compaq would not EOL TDMS, a product that they have made no K > enhancements or fixes for years, yet they still want the revenue stream. fC > The same drum I've been beating, if I have to reinvent the wheel fH > because of HP/Compaq, well we will survive with what we are or run or E > on emulators like Charon. but when we can move, it will be a clear tA > move from HP/Compaq if they continue to fail to support VMS... D    E Believe it or not, but TDMS has recently been ported to Alpha VMS !!  E However it is not available as a normal product. Please contact your c> Compaq/HP sales person or better a VMS ambassador to get more G information. I've heard this from our VMS ambassador a couple of weeks o# ago when the news became official .e   >t >rI > I suspect that FMS is not too far from TDMS in this respect but I have oC > not seen any mention of it being migrated to IPF where as Compaq g% > provided a clear NO regarding TDMS.t >[F > Lastly, as for character cell support, we still do most of our work H > with termination emulation into our systems.  You can knock character G > sex as not being 'sexy' but that fact is, folks who know how to type  I > hate taking their hands off the keyboard to screw around with a mouse, kG > so our shop prefers the current systems we are running when compared  $ > to the alternatives of 100% GUI... >  > Barry  >  >aK >> Since I can't find documentation about DECforms on the VMS documentationf? >> website, i assume that the product is also mature. (is it ?)g >>G >> If a customer wants to create a new application or update legacy FMSdI >> applications on VMS, what technologies should he look into ? Are HTML   >> formsH >> really considered adequate considering all the issues of keeping the 
 >> context6 >> of a session etc etc (and the slow response time) ? >>@ >> Is one just expected to build your own UIL files and C code ? >> >> >>   >> >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 06:35:21 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Future of forms0 Message-ID: <87n0ulrzh2.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  - "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:   E > Lastly, as for character cell support, we still do most of our worky= > with termination emulation into our systems.  You can knocksD > character sex as not being 'sexy' but that fact is, folks who knowF > how to type hate taking their hands off the keyboard to screw aroundF > with a mouse, so our shop prefers the current systems we are running2 > when compared to the alternatives of 100% GUI...  ? Does ANYONE have a Java implemtation that can get anywhere nears* the speed of a expert data entry operator?   -- w< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 00:37:45 GMT ( From: Russell Smith <rsmith@arelcom-au.> Subject: Re: Future of forms@ Message-ID: <tjAI8.186992$o66.557258@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ? In article <3CF254A3.9000309@mmaz.com>, Treahy@mmaz.com says...- >- >- >JF Mezei wrote: >aK >>FMS is "mature" and doesn't get any more development and remains bound tou >>character cell only. >>    K We had the situation a few year ago where we were getting requests for GUI n2 presentation of our software, that was all in FMS.  M We have well over 1000 forms, and a few million lines of source code so, the r: idea of reworking all the code was quite a scary prospect.  N We have developed in the meantime, for want of a better term, an FMS emulator K for Windows.  I would say that 90-95% of the original FMS is functional in  N windows.  We also managed to use this to enable us deploy systems in FMS that . use multibyte character sets, such as Chinese.  K In my opinion FMS is a great product.  I have grumbled about it a lot, and aO wrestled with it a lot - but I have managed to do just about everything that I ,( have wanted with it, one way or another.  P The 'emulator' solution was developed in house to overcome the need to port our G entire suite of applications to another platform.  Not that I feel our nJ applications lacks on OpenVMS terminal/text based format - but users want 5 Windows and OpenVMS still tends to be a hard sell :-(   K We have not sold/licensed/used our emulator outside of our own application s= suite, but if anybody wants some further info - get in touch.l   Regards,  
 Russell Smithe Arel Asia Pacifich   rsmith-at-arelcom.au   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:10:27 +0100 # From: "Paul Hardy" <Paul@lsl.co.uk>s( Subject: OT: Units (was  USofA'an coins)' Message-ID: <XSx*7uipp@relay.lsl.co.uk>   5 "Don Sykes" <annonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in messageA% news:3CEECEC3.DDFA728A@pacbell.net...t > Everhart wrote:0 > <snip>E > > It is of course always fun to express, say, the speed of light in- > > rods per fortnight...0 >18 > I LOVE that! Have you ever calculated rods/fortnight ?  J No, but as a student nearly thirty years ago, I wrote a Fortran program toF print out the accelleration due to gravity in various units. It ratherG amused me that two good aproximations are: 1Mm/month/month, and 1 light E year/year/year ! I think both these are better than the usual 10m/s/s  approximation.  ? The light year per year per year neglects relativity of course!u  F Now I still have the punched cards somewhere, and I have a VMS Fortran. system to hand - anyone got a card reader? :^)   -- Paul Hardy (Paul@lsl.co.uk)l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:53:16 -0400h2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)$ Subject: Re: pbxga-aa/an on PWS500auL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2705022053160001@11cust128.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  J In article <3CF14889.8030601@home.nl>, munk@cc8554-c.groni1.gr.nl.home.com wrote:  K >Graphics cards should be placed in PCI slot 4 and/or 5 (the lowest slots).  >nD >However you also have another problem. This is an extract from the   >release notes of Open3D V 4.9B: >0H >                 ________________________ Note ________________________ >aC >                 Compaq Open3D Version 4.4 was the last version ofaD >                 Compaq Open3D for OpenVMS Alpha that supported the- >                 following graphics devices:1 >t9 >                 o  ZLX-E Series: ZLX-E1, ZLX-E2, ZLX-E3n >a1 >                 o  ZLX-L Series: ZLX-L1, ZLX-L2  >c1 >                 o  ZLX-M Series: ZLX-M1, ZLX-M2  > = >                 o  ZLXp-E Series: ZLXp-E1, ZLXp-E2, ZLXp-E31 > H >                 The ZLX-E, ZLX-M, ZLX-L, and ZLXp-E series devices areE >                 no longer supported by Compaq Open3D. There is bug-lG >                 fix support available for current versions of OpenVMSnH >                 Alpha. However, no software enhancements are availableG >                 for these devices. Device support for future versions F >                 of OpenVMS Alpha will be shipped for a limited time.H >                 New workstations and/or operating system versions will# >                 not be supported.l >s= >So it seems your card is no longer supported I'm afraid ....c    D It is supposed to be the case that nothing has been taken out of theI Open3D kit.  All the device drivers supplied in the older versions shoulde still be in the current Open3D.i  E I don't have any personal experience with this graphics adapter, so IhH can't confirm this myself.  If anyone finds that these cards DON'T work, please post your experiences.w  P This is one of the cases where "supported" and "works" are two different things.  J A peek in SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$CONFIG.DAT on my system shows that these adapters# want device drivers from this list:e   SYS$GYADRIVER.EXEw   SYS$GYBDRIVER.EXEa   SYS$GYCDRIVER.EXEr   SYS$GVADRIVER.EXEi   SYS$GUADRIVER.EXEy  I All of these drivers are present on my system. I installed Open3D 4.9A; I H assume that's where the drivers came from, unless they were part of base VMS.    H On some recent alpha system, these PCI cards probably won't work becauseG of PCI bus incompatibilities.  For example, some PCI bridge chips don'te quite meet the spec.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:07:59 +1000c. From: John Welsh <johnW@digitalexpress.com.au> Subject: RF74 HDA formatting.e: Message-ID: <D1772475427AD411AB770000F80659F00ACFA2@DGNT4>   Hi all,p& 	I have a dead RF74 with a faulty HDA.  B 	I also have a good RZ74 and the HDA part # is the same as for the RF74.s  A 	Is there any way to reformat the RZ HDA to RF format structure ?n  E 	The ERASE command only zero's out each data block,  the basic formatt? 	of the disk must be intact.  I have also tried DKUTIL but this: didn't help.   	Any Ideas ??????e   Regards, John Welsh.    Senior Systems Engineer. Digital Express Pty. Ltd.D Unit 26,  198-222 Young St.n Waterloo.     NSW.     2017e( mailto://johnwelsh@digitalexpress.com.au    h 	i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:14:54 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o+ Subject: Re: RMS: How many XABs do I need ?e, Message-ID: <3CF285AE.2FEC60DD@videotron.ca>   Jim Johnson wrote: > G > You've got the method: add the XABKEYs, etc to the XAB chain and do a. > $DISPLAY.    Thanks.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:47:31 +0200e* From: "R.S.H. Kwee" <rshkwee@nospam.hr.nl>9 Subject: Re: TIme conversions between C-time and VMS-timew1 Message-ID: <actgu8$qv8$1@eubuf21.eu.concert.net>r   Hello David,  D I am verry interested in your code of the "local_to_gmt()" function. Can you send a copy to me??f   With kind regards,  	 Ren Kwee    HR Division Infrastructure 6 Afd. Electrotechniek, Advice- and Developmentgroup IMR  ! Pallas Athenedreef 10, room A1.12i	 P.O. 2855o 3500 GW Utrechtr   tel: ( (030-265) 3318  fax: (030-265) 3384c e-mail: rshkwee@hr.nl.! e-mail: rene@kwee.doge.nl (priv)         @ "David Jones" <JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> schreef in bericht4 news:acg677$n1j$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu.... > In message <3CEB7565.6B4A9041@videotron.ca>,3 >   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:c > >"R.S.H. Kwee" wrote: D > >> But now we have the problem that we receive times in VMS format (quad-word,uF > >> 100 nsec) and we must convert it to C-time (offset 1-jan-1970, in sec.). > > ( > >HELP RTL LIB LIB$CVT_TO_INTERNAL_TIME > >and* > >HTLP RTL LIB LIB$CVT_FROM_INTERNAL_TIME > >sL > >Typically, you would  LIB$SUB_TIMES  of the actual time - unix epoch time > >iI > >then you can use CVT_FROM_INTERNAL time to convert the above VMS delta  timeG > >into seconds, which will give you seconds since the unix epoch time.c >tJ > Those routines don't perform any GMT or DST correction, which was one of Kwee'sI > requirements.  The standard C runtime only provides for going the other  waynI > (GMT to local time), since it assumes the internal clock is always GMT.i >dC > I wrote a local_to_gmt() function for the OSU web server that useeD > the SYS$LOCALTIME file to determine the DST transitions.  I didn'tF > work too hard at resolving the issues of how to convert times in theF > 'non-existant' hour in the spring or 'double-play' hour in the fall. >s >l >m> > David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929/ > Ohio State University        |      Internet:o  > 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     | jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edul< > Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu >u3 > Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:36:14 +0200t- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>c( Subject: Re: VAX emulators (was freeVMS)' Message-ID: <3CF298B5.12445E97@Free.fr>i  ? As HPAQ adverts for Charon-Vax, I guess it is the best product.e   D.   Tom Linden wrote:e > = > It would be interesting if someone in the know would post ak" > comparison of the VAX emulators.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 07:27:22 -0400r( From: "Alan Boyles" <aboyles@cerner.com>, Subject: Re: VMS Clusters with FDDI/Ethernet/ Message-ID: <uf589htktk758b@corp.supernews.com>-  J Satellite booting over gig/E is not supported in VMS just as an aside, theG reason that it boots now is because it sees FDDI as the path.  It isn'tyL clear where the satellite is now coming into the Multiswitch, but if you areI using a Connectrator or some other FDDI blade and have added the VNswitchoK then you must create a backplane connection between the 2 VNswitches on theaJ Multiswitch.  This could be done via the VNbus or you could create an FDDIG ring on the backplane of the Multiswitch.  ClearVISN handles this quiteb easily.e   Alan    : "Jason O'Donnell" <jodonnell@hrblock.com> wrote in message7 news:9059bf6b.0205240503.3767335c@posting.google.com... . > pyeargi@yahoo.com (Peter Y) wrote in message9 news:<15a86a22.0205231031.1bbc0512@posting.google.com>...sE > > Alright...I have a situation on my hands and I'm looking for somedJ > > advice on where to proceed.  I have a VMS cluster currently configuredG > > with three local bootnodes attached to an HSJ via CI.  They are alliH > > networked via gig-E to a Cisco 6509 Switch.  I also have a satelliteD > > that I am attempting to boot into the cluster.  The satellite isI > > running FDDI and is attached to a DECHUB 900 Multiswitch.  The DECHUBwG > > is attached to a DEC Multiswitch 700 which converts FDDI to GigabitiG > > Ethernet.  In this configure, the satellite boots with no problems.a > >kD > > However, when I add a VNSwitch900 FX module to the DECHUB900 andA > > connect its Fast ethernet uplink to the Cisco switch, therebynD > > bypassing the MS700, the satellite will not boot.  The satelliteI > > receives its operating system just fine as it did before, but when iteI > > goes out to look for its disk partition, it hangs indefinitely.  If IeC > > disconnect the Fast ethernet and reconnect the FDDI, the systemh1 > > finishes coming up.  Anyone offer any advice?o > H > If the satellite is trying to now boot through the VNSwitch900, then IH > would guess that may be the problem.  Does it support jumbo frames for$ > SCS traffic over Gigabit-Ethernet? >  > JMOD   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:15:17 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e, Subject: Re: Volume shadowing and a disasterJ Message-ID: <FlxI8.127469$t8_.116319@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  K Sounds to me like HP should be contacting you to make your experiences partvA of an ad campaign for OpenVMS reliability and disaster tolerance.p   If they don't, they're fools.a    7 "Andrew Robinson" <arobinson@hspg.com> wrote in messagedG news:CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E750@grumpy.internal.hspg.com...eG > We had a situation where the floor void in our main computer room was-I > flooded. The flooding covered all the power rails and caused arcing andcF > spikes, to the point where you could see flashing underwater, why it didn'tJ > trip the UPS's is still open to discussion. We had a VAX cluster runningJ > OVMS 6.2 + patches and was connected to another room by FDDI. The remoteI > node started rejecting the disk shadow messages as corrupt, not meeting  someI > check (forget the exact wording). The remote shadow set then became the L > master and offlined all the shadow disks on the failing node, whether thisJ > was intentional or just another power spike we not sure but we were most > impressed.@ > The NT boxes also in the same room crashed on the first spike.H > The point of all this rambling, is that we have had the worst possible exitK > of a VAX and its Shadow Disk set, and the OS & Hardware handled the abuse2B > exactly as we would have wanted, and didn't cause any corruption whatsoever,-H > the only work we had to do after the flooding was replace the PSU's in bothL > the VAX & the DSSI Cabinet's, and reboot the node which shadowed its disks > back in very happily >l	 > Regards> >  > Andrew Robinsons > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] > Sent: 21 May 2002 06:36d > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms. > Subject: Re: Volume shadowing and a disaster >v >a > Rob Young wrote:B > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/fibre/fc_hbvs_dtc_wp.pdf > I > Thanks for the link. However, this doesn't quite deal with the damage afB > failing node could potentially do to the shadow set as it fails. >aL > One of the recommendation in that document is that the backup node not mou ntK > the shadow set so that the main node has full control over the shadow setM > andeL > a single FC path to it without worrying about backup node MSCP serving it.I > However in this scenario, wouldn't there be even less "sanity" checks ?s >oK > In a FC scenario, is there some specific protocol used to send disk drive C > commands ? Does the master node send MSCP commands and there is ac > MSCP-capableH > controller in the disk array ? Or does the communication inside the FC	 > containm > direct SCSI commands ? >qK > Either way, will the backup node be advised if the master nodes starts tol > sendJ > funky commands over the FC ? Or will its only notification of the master > nodeJ > going nuts happen when the master node is take out of the cluster due to! > failure at the SCS link level ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:10:53 +0200 & From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>' Subject: Re: Which Unix for VMS users ? $ Message-ID: <3CF292CD.237C@c-lab.de>   Simon Clubley wrote: >   J > Now _that's_ an interesting comment about reliability. I've just startedI > building up a Solaris system on a spare x86 system in order to get someaD > exposure to it, and although it has things that VMS users would beM > interested in (like printer forms management [*]) that Linux does not have,eK > I haven't been running it long enough to get a feeling about reliability.  >   F Carefull here... Forms mgmt is the heritance of SystemV 'lpsched'-typeE printer server/management, which probably few people really exercised-C with Solaris. And then, it's future might be dubious, as it doesn'toF support all the niceties and niftiness more modern printing subsystems/ like CUPS etc. provide the Ex-Windows/NT crowd.h    M > [*] Although I haven't got as far as setting up printers yet on the SolaristH > system yet, it looks like you _may_ have to be root in order to change/ > mounted forms. I must be missing something...y > H There is a user 'lp', IIRC, which might have enough power to handle such tasks.     -- c* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 01:43:09 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins- Message-ID: <87bsb17ahe.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:,  F > Don't try to buy milk with a 100 dollar bill at a 7-11 late at nightD > either.  Memo to our internal travel office "Please do not provide; > me with expense advances in denominations of 100 dollars"m   D > I was later told that successfully getting change from 100 dollars> > late at night was sometimes a prelude to armed robbery as itD > indicates that the employees have immediate access to a reasonableF > amount of cash. Therefore employees are instructed to say they can'tD > change it.  In the UK I would expect perhaps "do you have anythingB > smaller".  Not "we can't accept that under any circumstances" asE > happened In Dallas.  In the end I had to go back to the hotel for as > credit card just to buy milk.c  G You offered Legal Tender, they declined it. Your milk, their problem....$ (Be sure you have a witness though!)   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.d@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:56:25 +0200o& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins$ Message-ID: <3CF28159.3F54@c-lab.de>   Terry C. Shannon wrote:n >   J > > Worst thing with Greenbacks is that they are ALL green :( So you can't: > > to a quick wallet check with a glance along the edges. > L > Continuing this off-topic adventure in things numismatic, word has it thatH > the US Treasury plans to introduce coloured bills Reasonably Soon Now.B > Apparently 100s, 50s, and 20s are the prime candidates for first > colourization. >   H I can remember an article in, ahem, a German PB edition in the 70s, thatF told a long and interesting story about the 'greenback'. It was statedF that the design on them stayed now for more than 50 years, the qualityG of the print (dye, color) had been a little low sometimes (such that itsH rubs off!), making a very a lasting impression on the author when he wasF dubious about the authenticity of some bills he just got from a bank's; teller. Consequently, on the main topics of the article waseG counterfeiting bills, and the easy-to-beleive argument now was that thetG counterfeiters even outside the Americas were far more keen on printingiA dollars than any other currency. He mused that even the banks andmD probably the Fed accepted a suprising amount of false bills over the time.a  D On the other hand, this sticking to the same bills was probably just lobbied by AmEx and VISA etc...   H And yes, I also have a bunch of US coins left over, because I always hadC a dime or two in between, taking too long for gathering the change.l   -- k* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:23:23 +02008& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins# Message-ID: <3CF287AB.FF6@c-lab.de>    Paul Anderson wrote: >   F > The color problem may be solved in a few years, as the government isD > investigating using different colors.  I haven't heard about using5 > different sizes, although that would be better too.   G Different sizes are a mixed blessing. 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