1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 28 May 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 294       Contents:2 RE: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?2 Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?2 Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?F Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? Plus European langu" Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins" Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins; Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work... ; Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work... ! Re: Building csws 1.2 from source ! Re: Building csws 1.2 from source 9 C++ shareable image gives %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG on activation = Re: C++ shareable image gives %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG on activation E Re: C++ shareable image gives %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG on activation (fixed) . CSWS: downloads, file attributes, -DCX-AXPEXE?2 Re: CSWS: downloads, file attributes, -DCX-AXPEXE?, Re: downloads, file attributes, -DCX-AXPEXE?- Re: Forced migration to HPHUX - Storm Warning  Re: GhostView on VMS Re: GhostView on VMS Hobbyist licences  RE: Hobbyist licences ; RE: HP doesn't act positively towards VMS any more than CPQ  Inquirer says Alpha lives?9 Memo:  Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? B Memo:  Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...F Re: Memo:  Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...F Re: Memo:  Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...F Re: Memo:  Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...E Re: Memo: Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work... E Re: Memo: Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work... E Re: Memo: Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...  RE: No new Alpha sales Re: No new Alpha sales Re: No new Alpha sales Re: No new Alpha sales Re: No new Alpha sales Re: No new Alpha sales Re: No new Alpha sales Re: No new Alpha sales# Re: OT: Units (was  USofA'an coins) # Re: OT: Units (was  USofA'an coins) # Re: OT: Units (was  USofA'an coins)  Re: Pipes in DCLH PMDF: access to from address in customer-supplied routine substitutions?L Re: PMDF: access to from address in customer-supplied routine substitutions? Re: Powered by HP  Re: Powered by HP  Re: Powered by HP " Re: RMS: How many XABs do I need ? Re: SHOW LOGICAL bug?  Re: SHOW LOGICAL bug?  Re: Stallards smoking gun!9 Re: Sync on green with Elsa Gloria Synergy or Oxygen VX1?  Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2 Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2 Re: VAX emulators (was freeVMS)  Re: VAX emulators (was freeVMS)  Re: VAX emulators (was freeVMS) L VAX/VMS v5.5-2  Product - "Digital Security Gate" - what is the upgrade path# Re: VMS Clusters with FDDI/Ethernet  Re: Who cares about marketing!# Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins # Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins - Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins, measures - Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins, measures   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:00:08 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ; Subject: RE: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOECKFBAA.tom@kednos.com>   A correction, just remembered, it was a Tre Skilling Banco, no idea  what it was worth    >-----Original Message----- . >From: Jan-Erik Sderholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com]# >Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 2:07 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? >  >  >Hm, should be "Riksdaler".  > 8 >We in Sweden even these days often say "riksdaler" whenB >we meen "kronor" (crownes). A bit like the "bucks" in the US, but
 >riksdalerD >is actualy the old name. In the US that had been "State-dollar" :-) > A >It's fun to see a name of an old middle age town living on in so 
 >many ways...  > D >I wounder if the english words "teller" and "tally" also comes from >Joachimsthal ?  >  >Are we OT or are we ? >  >Jan-Erik Sderholm. >  >  >  >Tom Linden wrote: >>B >> Was also used in Sweden in 19th century as the Rikstaler tr. asA >> Reichsthaler in German and I guess Imperial dollar in English. = >> So you see I used the swedish rather than german spelling.  >> >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:18:04 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? I Message-ID: <McNI8.113425$ah_.56613@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   H Dollar actually comes from central Europe...in reference to the mines atI Joachimstahl, in what is now part of the Czech Republic.  Coins that were G made from the metal mined there became known as 'Thaler'...which became . corrupted over the years to the word 'dollar'.    H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>C wrote in message news:00A0E6B4.93C3B020@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU... 5 > In article <gJ2eSDumVFrH@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: I > >In article <3CED1E7E.4090605@hp.com>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>  writes: K > >> Here in Boston, once you get inside of US Customs all signs are mostly B > >> in English only.  Not very friendly for non-English speakers. > > I > >   Many visitors have commented on the sole use of English in American I > >   "International" airports.  Unfortunately "International" only means > > >   the presence of customs, not an actual attempt toward an > >   international audience.  > > E > >> My biggest gripe is about US coins.  They don't numbers on them!  > > 8 > >   Sure they do.  Every one has the year right on it. > > K > >   You mean "ONE DIME" isn't part of the international lexicon yet?  8-)  > >  > J > It ought to be.  We got "dime" from Spanish, if memory serves.  (I think# > we also got "dollar" from there.)  > 	 > -- Alan  >  > L ============================================================================ === 2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUA >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056C >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 
 94309-0210 > L ============================================================================ ===  >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 12:23:03 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ; Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? 3 Message-ID: <IE+qh1b1TpU1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <3CF28BC1.ABD@c-lab.de>, Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de> writes: > E > The dubbing-voice (actually, the actor) of  John Wayne was actually I > 'approved' by himself. Don't think that the voices are strange, perhaps H > for some B/C movies that appear in dozens in the private channels, butF > else the dubbing actors are carefully selected and usually stay with > their 'visual' actor.   C    I was watching a copy of Memphis Bell dubbed in Spanish over the G    weekend.  It's been a while since I saw the original and I couldn't  D    follow all of the Spanish. but the dubbed voices just didn't seem     to fit with thier characters.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:09:10 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>O Subject: Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie? Plus European langu . Message-ID: <3CF37365.2CC33F21@mindspring.com>   John Santos wrote:  L > > |> I doubt that "I'm gonna get them doors open if it hair lips everybody3 > > |> on Bear Creek" translates all that well. :-)  > > H > > Your probably right.  I'm a native born American speaker and I don't2 > > have a clue what that's supposed to mean.  :-) > >  > > bill > > > I believe it requires a large pair of lineman's pliers and a? > cowboy hat.  (The hare (?) lips are due to few rems above the  > limit of plutonium exposure.)   7 You got it, pardner! Now everybody scream "Yahooooo!!!" $ as we trail off into the distance...   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 28 May 2002 06:38 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) + Subject: Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins - Message-ID: <28MAY200206383723@gerg.tamu.edu>   1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...  }Robert Deininger wrote:L }> The fraction of circulating US currency that is counterfeit is miniscule. } G }The fraction of US $100 bills circulating worldwide was not minuscule.    That isn't what he said.  K }> The old-style notes were already very secure; counting machines in major 7 }> banks catch the counterfeits the first time through.  } M }They were not secure. They lacked all the modern printing security measures.   I This isn't actually true. The old design gained security features towards N the end of it's use. It just didn't look any different to the casual observer.  
 See below.  G }> Foreign banks had the (false) idea that U.S. money was easy to fake.  }  }It was very easy to fake.    E It was easy to fake *poorly*. The latter years were difficult to fake % *well*, if you knew what to look for.   L }> Because the anti-counterfeit devices in U.S. money are different from theH }> ones typically used in Europe, some bank tellers probably thought the }> money was easy to copy. } O }The USA currency lacked modern anti counterfeit devices such as large picture, J }microfine printing, embedded "device" (the USA chose a metal band) and of: }course better colours. (that one hasn't been solved yet).  
 Incorrect.  C For example, starting in 1993 all bills except the $1 bill have had F microprinting. The "line" around the portrait looks slightly ragged onI these because, if you look cloesely enough, it is actually microprinting  1 which says "United States of America" repeatedly.   . Embeded in the paper were red and blue fibers.  @ Embeded in the paper was a plastic strip that said "USA" and the@ denomination repeatedly in both directions. (This probably glows1 under UV light - the one in the new design does.)   $ All of these were in the old design.  C The new design adds some things. The portrait is bigger. There is a A number printed on the front that shifts color from black to green F depending on the angle you view it at. There is a watermark. There areD some very fine concentric and parallel line in the printing. I thinkD they added some things that are only visible under UV light. That isH all I know of that they added. Only the first two of these will help theF casual viewer - the others requre closer examination, which would haveG also often revelaed counterfits of the later version of the old design. 6 People rarely closely examine the money you hand them.  B One problem with the new design is that the design on the front ofH all the bills is visually very similar. The scroll work around the edgesC had considerably greater variation in the old designs. Now they are D basically all fairly narrow rectangular structures along the top andC bottom of the bill, and even narrower patterns along the sides. The B fronts look more alike than they used to, other than the portrait.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:12:48 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: (Change topic): USofA'an coins 5 Message-ID: <280520021207163492%paul.anderson@hp.com>   : In article <28MAY200206383723@gerg.tamu.edu>, Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote:   D > One problem with the new design is that the design on the front ofJ > all the bills is visually very similar. The scroll work around the edgesE > had considerably greater variation in the old designs. Now they are F > basically all fairly narrow rectangular structures along the top andE > bottom of the bill, and even narrower patterns along the sides. The D > fronts look more alike than they used to, other than the portrait.  F Given that the portraits are all of dead white men, the portraits tend to look alike too.  E We had a chance to make our new money more secure, more beautiful and 3 easier to use.  I guess one out of three ain't bad.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:45:43 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>D Subject: Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...0 Message-ID: <3CF388CB.CC9BF2C6@blueyonder.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Alan Greig wrote: H > > reasons may delay this and the "fallback" option of retaining MANMANH > > semi-indefinitely and moving MPE sites to VMS is, at least, still on > > the table. > N > Why would you be moving your existing MPE sites to VMS ? Wouldn't that be anN > unnecessary expense ? Isn't MPE going to be supported for X years at least ? > C > > So maybe late next year there will be yet another UK VMS system  > > manager looking for work.  > P > But in your case, you might get free retraining on whatever target system yourK > employer chooses. One who is self employed doesn't have that luxury. When  > you're out, you're out.   O My perception is the "permies get training and contractors don't" mantra is now H obsolete. Noone gets training, because the market is saturated employersN pick and choose the skills they need, and are paying peanuts into the bargain.   Ho hum,    --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 10:52:23 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)D Subject: Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0205280952.6cf7da14@posting.google.com>   b Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote in message news:<OF71BF52E2.D90AA93B-ON00256BC2.0042412B@btyp>...G > Probably fairly futile advertising the fact here, but isn't that what  > 'networking' is all about? >  > ;^D  > , > Anyway, unemployed from the end of June... > I > Someone said to me last night 'there's always a light at the end of the 6 > tunnel', thing is, I can't find the tunnel entrance. > 8 > Still, every silver lining has a cloud and all that... >  > Cheers > 	 > Steve S  >   > maybe it's time for you and other unemployed vms lovers to get; out of England!  After all, if a vms job came up in another < decent country (i.e. US), I would grab it in a heartbeat ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:05:09 GMT + From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> * Subject: Re: Building csws 1.2 from source2 Message-ID: <F0NI8.21$de3.476313@news.cpqcorp.net>   Jim,  J What version of the C compiler are you using? We're building wtih Compaq CL V6.2-006 using OpenVMS 7.2-1 libraries. The compiler switches we use are the same, % except for additional /DEFINE macros:   - CC/DEBUG=(TRACE,SYMBOLS)/OPTIMIZE=(TUNE=EV56) * /LIST=[.LIS]/MACHINE_CODE/SHOW=(EXPANSION)6 /MMS_DEPENDENCIES=(FILE=[.LIS],NOSYSTEM_INCLUDE_FILES)5 /OBJECT=[.OBJ]/DEFINE=(RELEASE_BUILD,EAPI,SSL_COMPAT, : MOD_SSL_VERSION="2.8.4")/INCLUDE=([],[APACHE.SRC.INCLUDE],0 [APACHE.SRC.OS.OPENVMS])/PREFIX_LIBRARY_ENTRIES=6 (ALL_ENTRIES)/WARNINGS=ENABLE=(UNINIT)/POINTER_SIZE=32% [APACHE.SRC.MODULES.PROXY]MOD_PROXY.C   ; > And by the way, I sent mail to the feedback link and got: 2 > 550 <openvms.csws-apache@hp.com>... User unknown  K There's been a few reports of this problem on more than one of the feedback K links. I've been told that sending to OpenVMS.CSWS-Apache@hp.com works, but F lowercase doesn't. The problem is being worked on. I apologize for the inconvenience.  
 Rick Barry) Compaq Secure Web Server Development Team  OpenVMS Systems Software Group Hewlett Packard Company	
 Nashua, NH    7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in message . news:acm1m4$q39k7$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de... > Greetings, >wH > Has anyone been able to do this, I am trippng up on mod_proxy.c.  Like this:l >u > $ CC >fK /DEBUG=(TRACE,SYMBOLS)/OPTIMIZE=(TUNE=EV56)/LIST=[.LIS]/MACHINE_CODE/SHOW=(g >oL EXPANSION)/MMS_DEPENDENCIES=(FILE=[.LIS],NOSYSTEM_INCLUDE_FILES)/OBJECT=[.OB > J]/D >nL EFINE=(RELEASE_BUILD)/INCLUDE=([],[APACHE.SRC.INCLUDE],[APACHE.SRC.OS.OPENVM > S])/ > -  > L PREFIX_LIBRARY_ENTRIES=(ALL_ENTRIES)/WARNINGS=ENABLE=(UNINIT)/POINTER_SIZE=3 > 2 [A% > PACHE.SRC.MODULES.PROXY]MOD_PROXY.CL >S? >         struct dirconn_entry *list = (struct dirconn_entry *)A > conf->dirconn->elt > s; > ........^n# > %CC-E-BADSTMT, Invalid statement. J > at line number 413 in file ROOT$:[APACHE.SRC.MODULES.PROXY]MOD_PROXY.C;1 >t> >             direct_connect = list[ii].matcher(&list[ii], r);  > .............................^> > %CC-E-UNDECLARED, In this statement, "list" is not declared.J > at line number 416 in file ROOT$:[APACHE.SRC.MODULES.PROXY]MOD_PROXY.C;1 >?; > And by the way, I sent mail to the feedback link and got: 2 > 550 <openvms.csws-apache@hp.com>... User unknown >f > Not good all around. >A > Thanks,  Jim >  >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:10:01 -0700M, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>* Subject: Re: Building csws 1.2 from source4 Message-ID: <ad06kb$t5940$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  J I'll answer my own question here, and pose another.  The compiling problem wasnJ solved by upgrade the C compiler to 6.5, I was way behind on this version.  1 Now my question is:  How to deal with lines like:s   #include <ucx$inetdef.h>  K Whan I'm running multinet.  I know the csws works fine with Multinet, causeoJ I run it that way.  But how to build it with hardcoded ucx stuff in there.   Any ideas?  Jimw   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 10:49:49 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)rB Subject: C++ shareable image gives %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG on activation3 Message-ID: <0O1SDDOC9Rho@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  C I get the undocumented message %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG trying to activatesA a shareable image which was written in C++.  Contrary to what onetF might think, the shareable image was freshly built on the same system.   Does anyone have suggestions ?  = =============================================================   ! $       create sys$Login:test.b32   module test (main=TRY_MYSHARE) = begin51 external literal CXX$_7CT14BININPTSTRAMFV16N9NQ1;  routine TRY_MYSHARE =l
         beginI'         CXX$_7CT14BININPTSTRAMFV16N9NQ1!         end; end] eludom0 $       bliss   sys$Login:test/object=sys$Login:' $       define/user MYSHARE-X-VER_7_0 - 6                 NODE$DKA200:[DIR.SUB]MYSHARE-X-VER_7_05 $       link    sys$input:test/option/exec=sys$login:e sys$Login:test MYSHARE-X-VER_7_0/shareC $ run:' $       define/user MYSHARE-X-VER_7_0 -]6                 NODE$DKA200:[DIR.SUB]MYSHARE-X-VER_7_0 $       run     sys$Login:testL %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG, new version of shareable image too big; relink all images $ help/message> %MSGHLP-F-NOTFOUND, message not found in Help Message database $    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:16:23 GMT-& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>F Subject: Re: C++ shareable image gives %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG on activation% Message-ID: <3CF3AC03.8050005@hp.com>e   Larry Kilgallen wrote:E > I get the undocumented message %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG trying to activate,C > a shareable image which was written in C++.  Contrary to what onerH > might think, the shareable image was freshly built on the same system. >   > Does anyone have suggestions ?  G That looks strange.  Are you sure the program didn't run to completion r with some trash value in R0?  5 A "warning" telling you to relink doesn't make sense.   - Can you start the program under the debugger?.     -- k John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderh Hewlett-Packard Companyt   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 11:29:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) N Subject: Re: C++ shareable image gives %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG on activation (fixed)3 Message-ID: <OPIz4SVs6JxA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <3CF3AC03.8050005@hp.com>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:F >> I get the undocumented message %DCL-W-SHARTOOBIG trying to activateD >> a shareable image which was written in C++.  Contrary to what oneI >> might think, the shareable image was freshly built on the same system.v >> s! >> Does anyone have suggestions ?V > I > That looks strange.  Are you sure the program didn't run to completion g > with some trash value in R0?   Wow, thanks John, that was it.  F The Bliss program I wrote is not the "real" environment.  I was tryingF to narrow down a problem when the shareable image is activated by some0 other shareable image that is linked against it.  G Thus, when I got the message about shareable images my mind was alreadye$ focused on shareable image problems.  ; The example I posted actually "works", and I need somethingm* more complicated to debug my real problem.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:19:45 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i7 Subject: CSWS: downloads, file attributes, -DCX-AXPEXE?.; Message-ID: <01KI9G8OEN0Y96VU4K@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>L  > After downloading CSWS V1.2 from the official web site, I get   "    CPQ-AXPVMS-CSWS-V0102--1.PCSI;1  @ and not, as advertised, CPQ-AXPVMS-CSWS-V0102--1.PCSI-DCX-AXPEXE   It looks like this:   A CPQ-AXPVMS-CSWS-V0102--1.PCSI;1           File ID:  (121593,50,0)m4 Size:        14390/14391      Owner:    [group,user]" Created:   28-MAY-2002 13:04:51.13& Revised:   28-MAY-2002 13:05:00.81 (4) Expires:   <None specified>  Backup:    <No backup recorded>m Effective: <None specified>l Recording: <None specified>r File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online  Caching attribute:  WritethroughH File attributes:    Allocation: 14391, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 09                     No version limit, Contiguous best tryo< Record format:      Stream, maximum 0 bytes, longest 0 bytes4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:. Client attributes:  Archivel  $ Total of 1 file, 14390/14391 blocks.   PRODUCT INSTALL says:=  J %PCSI-E-READERR, error reading DEVICE:[DIR]CPQ-AXPVMS-CSWS-V0102--1.PCSI;1# -DDIS-E-TNF, invalid element syntax " %PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failedM %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error conditionI  - I suspect that the file attributes are wrong.    I did   & set file/att=(lrl:8192,rfm:fix) *.pcsi  G which makes it look like other PCSI files (I think) are OK.  I get the e same error though.  % Do I have the wrong SET FILE command?   D Is there a way to download the file in the proper format and/or the  self-extracting thingy?b  A A direct download isn't possible; I downloaded it by clicking the>E Download Now button from Netscape Navigator running on a PC and savedtF the file on an ODS-5 disk on a VMS machine connected over pathworks.  @ That is, now FTP in ASCII mode or other obvious goofs at my end.  G Biting the bullet, I tried Internet Explorer.  I get the same DIR/FULL i@ output except that the file is named CPQ-AXPVMS-CSWS-V0102--1.;1   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:38:06 -0400h& From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@rcn.com>; Subject: Re: CSWS: downloads, file attributes, -DCX-AXPEXE?f< Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020528073645.04a18008@pop.rcn.com>  2 At 01:19 PM 5/28/2002 +0100, Phillip Helbig wrote:> >After downloading CSWS V1.2 from the official web site, I get >t$ >    CPQ-AXPVMS-CSWS-V0102--1.PCSI;1 >RA >and not, as advertised, CPQ-AXPVMS-CSWS-V0102--1.PCSI-DCX-AXPEXEg  E You really downloaded the EXE, rename it and run it. The downloading  C mechanisms don't know how to handle the longer extension correctly.e  
 Ken Robinson o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:00:31 +0100.* From: "Rainer Giese" <giese@volkswerft.de>5 Subject: Re: downloads, file attributes, -DCX-AXPEXE?)5 Message-ID: <acvv1f$sd3ap$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>a  L "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag5 news:01KI9G8OEN0Y96VU4K@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... ? > After downloading CSWS V1.2 from the official web site, I get  > $ >    CPQ-AXPVMS-CSWS-V0102--1.PCSI;1 >-B > and not, as advertised, CPQ-AXPVMS-CSWS-V0102--1.PCSI-DCX-AXPEXE  F Perhaps the extension is wrong and you have that, what is advertised ?0 Excuse the question, but did you try to RUN it ?   -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:22:31 -0400a2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>6 Subject: Re: Forced migration to HPHUX - Storm Warning. Message-ID: <3CF37687.3DF432C9@mindspring.com>   GreyCloud wrote:  ; > That is a funny image at that.  Of course the old weapons>< > systems used a covered red switch that said "Battle Short"; > on a Sperry Univac system.  It'll try to keep going untilr% > the weapon(s) are fired during war.r  3 (I can't tell from your reply whether you know thish3 or not, so if I'm telling you something you alreadyt" knew, please accept my apologies.)  1 "Battle Short" switches are common devices on allo0 sorts of military equipment. The imlplication of0 throwing the "Battle Sort" switch is to tell the/ equipment, "Boys, we're in a shootin' war!" ande1 that the equipment should now be ready to performf2 its job as long as possible, even to the extent of4 sacrificing itself as a result. "Battle Short" often) does things like disable thermal shutdown.- mechanisms, low coolant alarms, over-voltage/t- under-voltage detection, and the like. It mayi5 disable or change circuit breaker or fuse thresholds,a0 and so on. In other words, it puts the equipment! into "run till you fry/die" mode.    Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:43:05 GMTn, From: AVIGLH <gregory.hewitt@f22.boeing.com> Subject: Re: GhostView on VMS . Message-ID: <3CF3B399.3A044F45@f22.boeing.com>   Rick Dyson wrote:" >  > AVIGLH wrote:i > >e9 > > I have Ghostview 3.5.8 on an alpha at OpenVMS V7.1-2.. > >mK > > The GV/GS window will open, but I cannot open a postscript file nor anyr% > > other kind of file.  The error isb > >gE > > %DCL-W-NOCOMD, no command on line - reenter with alphabetic firste
 > > characterd > >g) > > In the Ghostscript message popup box.p > >i@ > > I carefully copied the files into place.  I do not have fullL > > instructions on installing.  When I copied the files, the GV program ranL > > right away.  I have tried many files and all sorts of detours.  No files > > will open. > M > Ghostview is only part of the equation.  You also have to have GhostScript.hL > They are separate packages.  Do you know if you specifically installed theI > GS package?  How are you installing GV and/or GS?  From the freeware ornK > from the original source code sites?  Are you compiling them from scratchn+ > or are you getting pre-compiled binaries?h >  > rick  F I am using an alpha compiled version of GhostScript.  One of my fellowE admins compiled it on their alpha system.  It is version 7.04 of GS. iH Then GhostView runs like a wrapper over that.  The X window runs OK, butD the functions do not work on the Alpha that I copied them over to.     Greg   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:43:21 GMT , From: AVIGLH <gregory.hewitt@f22.boeing.com> Subject: Re: GhostView on VMS,. Message-ID: <3CF3B3A9.BE62DABE@f22.boeing.com>   Rick Dyson wrote:> >  > AVIGLH wrote:e > >c9 > > I have Ghostview 3.5.8 on an alpha at OpenVMS V7.1-2.d > >@K > > The GV/GS window will open, but I cannot open a postscript file nor any@% > > other kind of file.  The error is  > >tE > > %DCL-W-NOCOMD, no command on line - reenter with alphabetic firsts
 > > characterl > >h) > > In the Ghostscript message popup box.d > >y@ > > I carefully copied the files into place.  I do not have fullL > > instructions on installing.  When I copied the files, the GV program ranL > > right away.  I have tried many files and all sorts of detours.  No files > > will open. > M > Ghostview is only part of the equation.  You also have to have GhostScript. L > They are separate packages.  Do you know if you specifically installed theI > GS package?  How are you installing GV and/or GS?  From the freeware oreK > from the original source code sites?  Are you compiling them from scratcht+ > or are you getting pre-compiled binaries?- >  > rick  F I am using an alpha compiled version of GhostScript.  One of my fellowE admins compiled it on their alpha system.  It is version 7.04 of GS. gH Then GhostView runs like a wrapper over that.  The X window runs OK, butD the functions do not work on the Alpha that I copied them over to.     Greg   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 10:00:28 -0700$ From: issinoho@slayme.com (issinoho) Subject: Hobbyist licences= Message-ID: <d0141774.0205280900.367061b9@posting.google.com>b  8 I know this is going to be a dumb, dumb question, but...  E The hobbyist licence only includes VMS itself, how do I get a licensee0 for the other products on the CD, such as DEC C?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:13:44 -0400a* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: Hobbyist licences- Message-ID: <0033000065782001000002L012*@MHS>   = =0AThere are three choices in the LICENSE TYPE dropdown menu:t   OpenVMS VAX 
 OpenVMS Alphan Layered Products   Choose the last option.t   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETi# Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:01 PM@B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: Hobbyist licences    8 I know this is going to be a dumb, dumb question, but...  E The hobbyist licence only includes VMS itself, how do I get a licensea1 for the other products on the CD, such as DEC C?=-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:04:23 -0400g* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>D Subject: RE: HP doesn't act positively towards VMS any more than CPQ- Message-ID: <0033000065760329000002L092*@MHS>t  ( =0Afirst.last@hp.com usually gets there.  & Did you see the smiley?  I was joking.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET," Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:17 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETD Subject: RE: HP doesn't act positively towards VMS any more than CPQ      That's strictly for ng postings.  A If you want to chat off-line via email or otherwise, let me know.t    7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message-' news:0033000065425806000002L062*@MHS...   B Perhaps it's that "nonymous.com" reply-to address you're using, a. :^)R   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETi" Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 2:16 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETD Subject: RE: HP doesn't act positively towards VMS any more than CPQ    . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageA news:e7AG8.78831$t8_.5150@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...AH > Perhaps the title of the post should be as changed with this message?=   >DH > I have sent 3 messages to HP thus far, all polite, all composed in mu= ch lessH > of a rush than I tend to do when posting to the ng - zero acknowlegem= ent/@ > that my messages were read, much less having replies thus far. >O > YMMV  H One might surmise that the Big Dogs are out on road chatting up custome= rs,sH or doing integration-related things. Most of the VMS team is occupied w= ithlH the Ambassador's meeting in Nashua, Gorham's about to head to the UK fo= r anH customer briefing at a Reading brewery (beats some of the venues at whi= chH I've spoken!), and Blackmore's in Europe meeting with customers this we= ek.=3D=r   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 07:18:07 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)# Subject: Inquirer says Alpha lives? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0205280618.7ae710ff@posting.google.com>   0 well Bill Todd, answer the inquirers question --  = * TOMORROW A BUNCH OF PEOPLE in Alaska will talk about DesignYE Tradeoffs for the Alpha EV8. This technology now belongs to Intel andS> we are told the EV8 is "dead". So what's that all about, then?   here is the article in full ...B    ' European plot thickens on Itanic front E  & Intel teams up with Barcelona boffins . By Branch Speculation, 28/05/2002 15:04:11 BST  D ROGER ESPASA gave a talk about Tarantula at an Alaskan semiconductor, conference, as we reported over the weekend.> But he's also a 64-bit boffin at the Universitat Politecnia de Catalunya in Barcelona.s  F And by a curious coincidence, Intel today announced that the ComputingF Dept at Barcelona will host a research centre funded by the chip giant later in the year.  @ According to Intel, this will let it work "with some of the best& microprocessor researchers in Europe".  D The Computer Architecture Dept at the University will collaborate on@ "advanced microprocessor technologies" for both Intel Itanic and Pentium 4 processors.s  : Those, said Intel in a statement will "focus on increasingD microprocessor performance, reducing power consumption and extending battery life".  E So it isn't just Pentium 4s and Itanics, but obviously Banias systemsf too.  D The firm said that the department at the university has 70 full time@ members working on comms and telecomms enginering including VLSIB systems design, processor microarchitecture and code generation.   = * TOMORROW A BUNCH OF PEOPLE in Alaska will talk about DesignsE Tradeoffs for the Alpha EV8. This technology now belongs to Intel andc> we are told the EV8 is "dead". So what's that all about, then?  > ** HPQ RELEASED the AlphaServer SC20 and said it had sold some@ already. The SC20 has a pair of 833MHz Alpha EV68 chips with 4MB cache.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:32:10 +0100e From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.comB Subject: Memo:  Re: "Best" programming language on VMS for newbie?E Message-ID: <OF1F1DE5C5.D2F15979-ON80256BC7.002E92CF@systems.uk.hsbc>h  G I lived in Germany for a bit and had the surreal experience of watching,K 'The Jungle Book' (The Disney version) in German. The songs were not dubbedeH thought it reminds me of a story .... The dubbed version of the Sound ofH Music  shown in Singapore was considered too long so they cut all of the songs. It was a big hit!  5 How does this relate to programming languages anyway?R   Paul            ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **!  D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseyB  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.   =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure orHA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, >  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context ofo?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.g  eD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office r=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly bA  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so h3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.n  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:10:47 +0100u From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.comK Subject: Memo:  Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...-E Message-ID: <OFFD744EAE.68839A93-ON80256BC7.002CC086@systems.uk.hsbc>g  A I can also confirm some good news. I am aware of at least 2 largee0 institutions that are expanding in the VMS area.K Let's have some good news in this forum sometimes - surely there is some?!?5   Paul        ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **   D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseoB  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.m  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure ormA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,n>  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context ofx?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.l  tD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office E=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly iA  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so v3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.   D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:38:28 +0100l From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>WO Subject: Re: Memo:  Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work... ) Message-ID: <3CF34203.C2BA0A4A@Omond.net>-   paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:A  C > I can also confirm some good news. I am aware of at least 2 largec2 > institutions that are expanding in the VMS area.M > Let's have some good news in this forum sometimes - surely there is some?!?i  8 I am also aware of a large customer actively considering6 the establishment of a new data centre in Raleigh (NC)6 based on a cluster of 6 fully populated ES45's running4 VMS and Oracle.  This customer currently uses Oracle4 on Tru64, running on a mixture of GS and ES machines5 in this country (UK).  They are *extremely* impressedo8 by the stability of their (small number) of VMS machines3 used as an archive/retrieval system for their Tru64f4 environment, and would love to get the same ballpark1 stability (I designed and implemented the archiveM1 system, of course using VMS :-)  This is a systemt8 potentially generating 200,000 *files* per day.  Started7 off 5 years ago running on a cluster of VAX 4000-705's,o4 now on a split-site cluster of DS10's with oodles of2 storage.  The VAXen were finally switched off last2 month, and the cluster has been up pretty much the whole of the 5 years.t  	 Roy Omondr Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 05:17:32 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> O Subject: Re: Memo:  Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...o, Message-ID: <3CF34B22.C90DE127@videotron.ca>   paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:o > C > I can also confirm some good news. I am aware of at least 2 largew2 > institutions that are expanding in the VMS area.   Are they existing VMS shops ?t  H Are they adding new applications or just growing existing applications ?  G And more importantly, are all the VPs in that organisation aware of the G success of VMS and its importance inside their organisation, or do most H believe that VMS is dead, not realising it still plays an important role inside your organisation ?  M I have dealt with organisations in your industry whose high level people wererN obviously unaware of the role of VMS inside their own organisation and told meN in no uncertain words that I had no future with them if I presented a solutionH based on any Digital product (that was before the Compaq buyout of DEC).  I As long as those attitudes persist at high levels, it means that VMS willy4 remain only a niche inside such large organisations.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:50:42 GMTo4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>O Subject: Re: Memo:  Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...p0 Message-ID: <3CF389F6.8532E615@blueyonder.co.uk>   paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:E > C > I can also confirm some good news. I am aware of at least 2 larger2 > institutions that are expanding in the VMS area.M > Let's have some good news in this forum sometimes - surely there is some?!?P >  > Paul  F Do they need a contractor? Are they trying to hire boys for mens wagesJ like the rest of the market? (not meant to be a sexist comment, just rolls2 of the tongue better then gender neutral version).   Regards,   -- 2 tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk <  F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:01:16 +0000t  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comN Subject: Re: Memo: Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...: Message-ID: <OF3CAF5294.31275BB1-ON00256BC7.003C0EBD@btyp>  I Well, this is all well and good and all that, but do they want any staff,mJ and if they do where are the jobs advertised! Can you tell me who they are  and if they accept cold calling?  F I'm as happy as the next man that some sites are still buying VMS, butD unless they need new or additional staff, and are preferably locatedK somewhere in the UK they might as well have just bought something else fromh my point of view!o   Cheers anyway!   Steve S         3 Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> on 05/28/2002 08:38:28 AMn    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:n< From:      Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>, 28 May 2002, 8:38 a.m.  F Re: Memo:  Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...     paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:a  C > I can also confirm some good news. I am aware of at least 2 largee2 > institutions that are expanding in the VMS area.E > Let's have some good news in this forum sometimes - surely there is  some?!?G  8 I am also aware of a large customer actively considering6 the establishment of a new data centre in Raleigh (NC)6 based on a cluster of 6 fully populated ES45's running4 VMS and Oracle.  This customer currently uses Oracle4 on Tru64, running on a mixture of GS and ES machines5 in this country (UK).  They are *extremely* impressedT8 by the stability of their (small number) of VMS machines3 used as an archive/retrieval system for their Tru64g4 environment, and would love to get the same ballpark1 stability (I designed and implemented the archivet1 system, of course using VMS :-)  This is a system 8 potentially generating 200,000 *files* per day.  Started7 off 5 years ago running on a cluster of VAX 4000-705's, 4 now on a split-site cluster of DS10's with oodles of2 storage.  The VAXen were finally switched off last2 month, and the cluster has been up pretty much the whole of the 5 years.S  	 Roy Omondw Blue Bubble Ltd.            F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasiG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,w$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received K this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.:  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.8  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, D RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:19:09 +0100e From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> N Subject: Re: Memo: Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...) Message-ID: <3CF367AC.7B04C0F2@Omond.net>t  ! Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote:d  K > Well, this is all well and good and all that, but do they want any staff,lL > and if they do where are the jobs advertised! Can you tell me who they are" > and if they accept cold calling?  C Nope, I cannot tell you who they are.  I'm keeping this option openf@ for myself.  I doubt they would advertise anyway;  I have a good? relationship with this particular company, and any new positioni/ would be offered to me (and in this country :-)a    H > I'm as happy as the next man that some sites are still buying VMS, butF > unless they need new or additional staff, and are preferably locatedM > somewhere in the UK they might as well have just bought something else fromp > my point of view!w  E Problem with VMS is that it requires so few staff to keep it running.tB Better to have a small number of stars than a whole herd of MCSE's and a whole lot cheaper too.  	 Roy Omonda Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:54:17 GMTo4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>N Subject: Re: Memo: Re: Another UK-based VMS System Manager looking for work...0 Message-ID: <3CF38ACC.6E1D97B7@blueyonder.co.uk>   Roy Omond wrote:  - > G > Problem with VMS is that it requires so few staff to keep it running. D > Better to have a small number of stars than a whole herd of MCSE's > and a whole lot cheaper too. >   G yup, this is a real issue,  it might be better for us but non-technicalt0 management don't like dealing with such "stars".   -- o tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:37:45 -0400I' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>: Subject: RE: No new Alpha salesiT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660710@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew -   Re: No "new" Alpha Sales...    You mean like this ?C http://www.tse.com/en/mediaNews/newsreleases/news2265.html (Toronto  Stock Exchange) H http://www.mgex.com/news/news_releases/release28.html (Minneapolis Grain	 Exchange)iD http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D02/04/08/1897447 (Tyson = Foods)E http://www.iona.com/pressroom/2002/20020327.htm (IONA and OpenVMS Webl	 Enabling)jH http://www.compaq.ca/English/enterprise/success/government/healthcentre. htm.  H And in a particular win (albeit an upgrade not a new Cust) I am familiar= with - 28 ES45's with VMS V7.3 + a whole wack of SAN storage.o  B Now, if I wanted to spread fud about Sun and SPARC (as you seem toG continually want to do wrt to OpenVMS and Alpha), I would point out the, following url's in the press:B  E Ah never mind, no sense getting into the mud as I am sure comp.os.vmsL? readers have seen these press articles on Sun already anyway ..    :-)u  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantO Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660d Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 7 [mailto:andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com]=20" Sent: May 23, 2002 12:28 PMs To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 Subject: Re: No new Alpha salese         jlsue wrote:  J > On Wed, 22 May 2002 15:40:14 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy=206 > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote: >=20 >=20 >>: >>But then the flaw in your argument as you know full well; >>is that the market hasn't been increasing over the periods% >>we are refering to it has declined.  >>H >>This rather ruins your argument as you should have realised before you   >>bothered replying. >>J >>Still its a very nice point that you may be able to use in the future=20F >>when the market does start growing again, save it for then. :):):):) >> >> >=20D > That depends on how you define market share.  Do the stats only=20 > including new systems?     Yes !!!!!!!!  6 Had you not noticed what the title of this thread is ?   No "new" Alpha Sales.7   New as in new.   Regards. Andrew Harrison)    3 > Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq1/ > (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)e >=20    + Possibly a good thing in the circumstances.O   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:50:59 GMTh4 From: "Andrew Dodd" <Andrew.Dodd@Compaq.spamfreecom> Subject: Re: No new Alpha salesS1 Message-ID: <T2LI8.13$B13.69701@news.cpqcorp.net>l  L I've been read only for a long time here and haven't wanted to get into someD of the personality wars going on but Andrew Harrison has continuallyJ rubbished the GS systems. I would expect no less as he works for Sun and I$ work for Compaq, part of the new HP.  K I absolutely agree that benchmarks like SPECint are of limited interest for B a commercial buyer, TPC benchmarks have some merit, and in the end only the application matters.a  L So I'll throw in some two tier SAP SD benchmarks and see what the readership3 makes of them, they may have been mentioned before.o  D Sunfire 15000    900MHZ    76cpus    1,242,000steps/hr    4,100users 1.88sec resp time    21/09/01i  G GS320              731MHZ    32cpus    823,000                    2,720e$ 1.9                         30/03/00  L Now I accept that if you want to support 4,100 users on a single system then  the 15K can and the GS320 can't.  K My reading is that by using 230% more CPUs the 15K does 50% more work. ThattJ does not to me say that one of these boxes is a technology failure and the other a triumph.  I If the benchmark was re-run with current technology CPUs, 1001MHz for the D GS320, then a projection would be that there would be a much smaller# difference between the two results.a   -- Andrew Dodds Pre-Sales Account Consultant HP Computer Ltdo www.hp.com/uk/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 13:16:49 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>s Subject: Re: No new Alpha sales 6 Message-ID: <20020528131649.25246.qmail@gacracker.org>  J On Tue, 28 May 2002, "Andrew Dodd" <Andrew.Dodd@Compaq.spamfreecom> wrote:M >I've been read only for a long time here and haven't wanted to get into somerE >of the personality wars going on but Andrew Harrison has continuallyuK >rubbished the GS systems. I would expect no less as he works for Sun and It% >work for Compaq, part of the new HP.e   <snip>  C Andrew, of late I've noticed quite a few new names cropping up with.I Compaq/HP/DEC email addresses. Is there any reason for this? (eg Have therC troops been ordered in to try and get rid of some of the negativityo
 hereabouts?).t     Doc. -- a6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net*   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:36:08 GMTh4 From: "Andrew Dodd" <Andrew.Dodd@Compaq.spamfreecom> Subject: Re: No new Alpha salesv2 Message-ID: <sBMI8.18$Fb3.352363@news.cpqcorp.net>  L In the grand scale of things I'm not a new name. I have not seen any companyJ level suggestions that employees should be more active in external forums.  J Personally I put it down to a new beginning. I have great optimism for the future.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:43:44 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>t Subject: Re: No new Alpha sales 5 Message-ID: <AIMI8.87$fT5.60693@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>   ? "Andrew Dodd" <Andrew.Dodd@Compaq.spamfreecom> wrote in messagee+ news:T2LI8.13$B13.69701@news.cpqcorp.net...    <snip>K > If the benchmark was re-run with current technology CPUs, 1001MHz for theoF > GS320, then a projection would be that there would be a much smaller% > difference between the two results.a  J And if the benchmark was re-run with CPUs that'll be announced in a coupleH of months (e.g. 1224MHz for the GS-Series EV68 family) the results would look better still.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 15:08:27 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>K Subject: Re: No new Alpha sales 6 Message-ID: <20020528150827.28008.qmail@gacracker.org>  J On Tue, 28 May 2002, "Andrew Dodd" <Andrew.Dodd@Compaq.spamfreecom> wrote:M >In the grand scale of things I'm not a new name. I have not seen any companyaK >level suggestions that employees should be more active in external forums.   I Okay, but I actually meant new as in new to this group. Since it's not at*H company request or suggestion would you care to say what prompted you toF actively participate in comp.os.vms (I'm just a little curious, that's all).a  K >Personally I put it down to a new beginning. I have great optimism for then >future.  K I'd like to be able to be optimistic about the future of VMS, but as you'lloH see from postings here there is a lot of feeling that HP have botched upG their initial handling of the VMS base. I would have hoped that someonemJ would have brought the existing concerns and discontent to their attentionJ before now, and that they would have been careful to try and resolve this.D Of course, it is still early in the relationship and they could makeK significant improvements without dramatic expenditure. (Perhaps restart ther VMS renaissance?)A  K A lot of us are fairly sick of hearing the term "Industry Standard" and thevK attached wording which implies this will rule the IT industry. I'm sure yousD don't forget that M$ stuff is as proprietary as it comes, but I wishD someone would hammer that home to the senior people in HP. Their ownI proprietary solutions are far superior, far more profitable, and far more*K likely to help them retain their customers. Of course, working in pre-sales0 this will be old news to you.   E Another part of the problem people here are finding is the failure toaF *visibly* pursue new business with VMS solutions. I've privately heardF positive things about the plans to pursue ISVs to expand the availableG software on VMS, but surely these companies also need to be able to seeV< that HP has faith in the long-term viability of the product.  I It probably isn't within your power to make the changes, or authorize thenG expenditure, to make the visible statements about VMS that many in thisnK newsgroup would like. However, if the opportunity arises I'm sure there arerH many who would appreciate if you could pass on what we (a) would like toK see, and (b) believe would be a wise strategy for HP. There are many placesoJ using VMS that offer a lot of marketing potential. I for one would love to@ see the following in very large text in the Wall Street Journal.  0     "The Whitehouse is immune to email viruses?"  "     "Of course, they use OpenVMS."  I There would naturally need to be a follow-on or complimentary campaign in B the IT press to ensure that when the CEO asks his IT staff "What's OpenVMS?" they can answer him.   Oh, welcome to comp.os.vms :-)     Doc. -- c6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:15:12 GMTM1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>M Subject: Re: No new Alpha saless6 Message-ID: <4aNI8.102$fT5.69984@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>  J "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message0 news:20020528150827.28008.qmail@gacracker.org...   <snip> >tK > It probably isn't within your power to make the changes, or authorize the I > expenditure, to make the visible statements about VMS that many in this I > newsgroup would like. However, if the opportunity arises I'm sure thereu are J > many who would appreciate if you could pass on what we (a) would like toF > see, and (b) believe would be a wise strategy for HP. There are many placesL > using VMS that offer a lot of marketing potential. I for one would love toB > see the following in very large text in the Wall Street Journal. >r2 >     "The Whitehouse is immune to email viruses?" >d$ >     "Of course, they use OpenVMS." >uK > There would naturally need to be a follow-on or complimentary campaign in.D > the IT press to ensure that when the CEO asks his IT staff "What's  > OpenVMS?" they can answer him.  L Yeah, I'd like to see the ad, too, but something tells me that the epicenterF of the US Government would not want to serve as a reference site. EvenK though they've used ALL-In-1 since it was perpetrated, and even though they 3 have (IIRC) FIVE VMS-based GS-320s on site now. ;-}o   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 17:44:16 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: No new Alpha sales 6 Message-ID: <20020528174416.31114.qmail@gacracker.org>  G On Tue, 28 May 2002, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:iK >"Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message 1 >news:20020528150827.28008.qmail@gacracker.org...t >  ><snip>u >>L >> It probably isn't within your power to make the changes, or authorize theJ >> expenditure, to make the visible statements about VMS that many in thisJ >> newsgroup would like. However, if the opportunity arises I'm sure there >areK >> many who would appreciate if you could pass on what we (a) would like toiG >> see, and (b) believe would be a wise strategy for HP. There are many> >places M >> using VMS that offer a lot of marketing potential. I for one would love toeC >> see the following in very large text in the Wall Street Journal.  >>3 >>     "The Whitehouse is immune to email viruses?"m >>% >>     "Of course, they use OpenVMS."t >>L >> There would naturally need to be a follow-on or complimentary campaign inE >> the IT press to ensure that when the CEO asks his IT staff "What'sp! >> OpenVMS?" they can answer him.  >vM >Yeah, I'd like to see the ad, too, but something tells me that the epicenter G >of the US Government would not want to serve as a reference site. EvenyL >though they've used ALL-In-1 since it was perpetrated, and even though they4 >have (IIRC) FIVE VMS-based GS-320s on site now. ;-}  G Well, I didn't really think that the Whitehouse would go for it, but ittJ wouldn't hurt to ask them. There's got to be other high-profile sites thatH everyone has heard of that would be prepared to be references. Can't seeJ the NSA being a reference site either... but, a picture of the VMS sectionI of their datacenter with the caption "For reasons of national security we H can't tell you whose computers these are, but they all run VMS" would be* nice. Need to be a big picture though. :-)     Doc. -- r6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net6   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:51:57 +0100gC From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" <unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>i, Subject: Re: OT: Units (was  USofA'an coins)4 Message-ID: <3CF3371D.5FC26996@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>   Paul Hardy wrote:0  I > amused me that two good aproximations are: 1Mm/month/month, and 1 light G > year/year/year ! I think both these are better than the usual 10m/s/sp > approximation.  A I've found the approximation of c as 1 giga foot/second useful on_; occasion. Not very accurate but a useful rule of thumb. And_
 approximatingr  ( (speed of light) / (speed of a tortoise)  B as 10^10 is a dodge I've used in the novel to explain interstellar) distances and travel times to the reader.s   -- iD I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animalB lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N.  http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/C "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a womann5 is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:30:25 -0600: From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>u, Subject: Re: OT: Units (was  USofA'an coins)& Message-ID: <3CF3B0A1.2090901@srv.net>   Paul Hardy wrote:07 > "Don Sykes" <annonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in message ' > news:3CEECEC3.DDFA728A@pacbell.net...s >  >>Everhart wrote:l >><snip> >>D >>>It is of course always fun to express, say, the speed of light in >>>rods per fortnight... >>8 >>I LOVE that! Have you ever calculated rods/fortnight ? >  > L > No, but as a student nearly thirty years ago, I wrote a Fortran program toH > print out the accelleration due to gravity in various units. It ratherI > amused me that two good aproximations are: 1Mm/month/month, and 1 lightaG > year/year/year ! I think both these are better than the usual 10m/s/st > approximation.  < One of the programs availabel from http://www.gnu.org is one9 called units, which will convert from one unit of measureh; to another. It is capable of many amusing conversions, suchy as 'miles/gallon' to '1/acre'.   > A > The light year per year per year neglects relativity of course!  > H > Now I still have the punched cards somewhere, and I have a VMS Fortran0 > system to hand - anyone got a card reader? :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:05:52 -0400 ' From: Eric Sosman <Eric.Sosman@sun.com>u, Subject: Re: OT: Units (was  USofA'an coins)' Message-ID: <3CF3B8F0.C8F1AD5C@sun.com>h   Kevin Handy wrote: > > > One of the programs availabel from http://www.gnu.org is one; > called units, which will convert from one unit of measureM= > to another. It is capable of many amusing conversions, suchc  > as 'miles/gallon' to '1/acre'.  ;     Years ago I dealt with a full-text indexing system thatE; tried to "understand" numbers it found in the indexed text.e; If it found "60 miles per hour" it would make index entriesg: for the unitless value 60, for the length 96.6 kilometers,) and for the speed 26.8 meters per second..  ;     But every so often its parser produced amusing results.u5 In one test database of newspaper articles, the queryc> "vanilla AND >0.5 teaspoon" came back with a bunch of recipes,: as expected, but also produced an article about a land-use= hearing before a town zoning board.  The story quoted someone0: as saying the zoning proposal was "plain vanilla," so that8 made sense, but where did the ">0.5 teaspoon" come from?  :    Aha!  The land in question was described as "12.7 acres8 in Bedford" -- and 12.7 acre-inches is about 1.3 million< liters, a volume noticeably greater than half a teaspoon ...   -- o Eric.Sosman@sun.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:06:02 -0700n' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>i Subject: Re: Pipes in DCL7+ Message-ID: <3CF39CDA.E3722BDC@caltech.edu>s   Stuart Fuller wrote: >  > Sandeep Yelwatkar wrote: >  > > Hi,wL > > I would like to how to concatenate two commands in DCL or how to execute( > > two commands on single command line. > >C > > For example.D > > In Unix we use pipes to send the ouput of one command to another > > $ who | grep martinfC > > and semicolon to execute more than one command at single prompt  > + > $ pipe show user | search sys$pipe martinw  3 True, except that unlike every unix you'll ever tryt6 the performance of a multistage VMS pipe goes straight6 to hell as the number of stages increase.  Or at least8 that's how it was on VMS 7.2-1, when last I looked.  The3 DCL pipe was handy for very small operations (which5; the above might or might not be, depending on your system), : but ironically, considering the rest of the OS, it was not8 industrial strength and could not be used to efficiently+ sequentially process large amounts of data.n  / There was a thread on this topic back in 6/2000e in this newsgroup.  3 Has pipe performance improved on 7.3?  There was a r2 trivial performance test in the 6/2000 thread, has anybody run it on 7.3? r   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 01:21:52 -0700) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) Q Subject: PMDF: access to from address in customer-supplied routine substitutions?i= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0205280021.14792a64@posting.google.com>n  = I'm using the customer-supplied routine substitution facilitye; in PMDF since I'm generating a mailing list on the fly from > our student database. ([SHAREABLE_IMAGE, ROUTINE, $U]$F). This= is so staff can send mail to course-id@our_domain.unsw.EDU.AU ? and have it go to the current set of enrolled students after ite
 is moderated.7  D In my code I would like to know the contents of the from address forA the message being processed. This particular PMDF instance is 5.2d under OpenVMS 7.3.   Many thanks.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:23:45 +0000 (UTC)u From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukU Subject: Re: PMDF: access to from address in customer-supplied routine substitutions?e+ Message-ID: <acvib1$6jo$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  i In article <55f85d77.0205280021.14792a64@posting.google.com>, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes:o> >I'm using the customer-supplied routine substitution facility< >in PMDF since I'm generating a mailing list on the fly from? >our student database. ([SHAREABLE_IMAGE, ROUTINE, $U]$F). Thisr> >is so staff can send mail to course-id@our_domain.unsw.EDU.AU@ >and have it go to the current set of enrolled students after it >is moderated. >oE >In my code I would like to know the contents of the from address forhB >the message being processed. This particular PMDF instance is 5.2 >under OpenVMS 7.3.c > 
 >Many thanks.p  K You would probably be better asking this sort of technical PMDF question on A the vmsnet.mail.pmdf newsgroup or the info-pmdf mailing list (see - http://www.pmdf.process.com/info-PMDF.html ).n    M My understanding is that the syntax for site-supplied routine substitution is    $[image,routine,argument]   O If you call this from one of the mappings table then you can use the $0, $1 etceM substitutions to pick up the envelope from address in the wildcarded mapping w table entry.  5 The routine is called with the following arguments :-     9 status := routine(argument,arglength,result,resultlength)n  O argument and result are 252 byte long character string buffers. On VMS argumentCO and result are passed by a class S descriptor. On other systems they are passed0K as a pointer to a character string. arglength and reslength are signed long] integers passed by reference.a     Hope that helps0    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 09:40:48 -06009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)o Subject: Re: Powered by HP3 Message-ID: <ecyVtFhfuaPO@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  ` In article <2CVC8.18340$RR3.8900@sccrnsc02>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:@ > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message' > news:abgvim$ejl$5@info.cs.uofs.edu... / >> In article <siQC8.17141$WR1.6711@sccrnsc01>, 7 >>  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:f >> |>gK >> |> I'll be staying in the Lyon Hilton along with my comely secretary ande# >> |> administrative assistant. ;-}B >> >> Does your wife know??  ;-)h > 4 > Marsha Shannon knows. We divorced three years ago.  K In that case, instead of shipping one over from this side of the pond, rent. one once you get there :-)    @         You [should] not examine legislation in the light of theD         benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in theF         light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause ifF         improperly administered -- Lyndon Johnson, former President of         the U.S.  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamye4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 09:44:16 -06009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)e Subject: Re: Powered by HP3 Message-ID: <G8QCOm$Lc2Tw@eisner.encompasserve.org>0   In article <rdeininger-1005022150340001@1cust113.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:J > In article <YGYC8.36976$GLp1.3995@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,& > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: > M >>HP can take one submission/petition, signed by thousands, and circular fileh >>it very quickly. >>L >>Hundreds of individual letters arriving daily from different customers are@ >>harder to ignore. (It's the same way you  influence Congress). >>K >>Get the Chairman/CEO/President/COO/CFO etc...as high as you can get to in0M >>your own organization to send the letter to Carly......you write it for himr >>if you have to >> >>Get them in the mail asap. >  > An excellent suggestion. > J > I would add that copies of the letters should go to Scott Stallard, MarkK > Gorham, and Peter Blackmore.  VMS gets Mark's undivided attention, and ishG > a significant part of Scott's territory.  Scott is the new guy in thee% > picture with high-octane authority.p > L > Carly and Mike have a lot on their plate for the forseeable future, and weI > have to admit that VMS is a pretty small part of the whole HP pie.  The.I > only sane way for them to treat a small business like VMS is to rely onu6 > the advice and wisdom of their lower-level managers. > K > If Scott can be convinced of the value to HP of a healthy VMS business, IdL > expect he will help VMS whenever possible.  I suspect he is still learning@ > about the various business units he took charge of on Tuesday.  / How about posting their email addresses here...y  @         You [should] not examine legislation in the light of theD         benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in theF         light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause ifF         improperly administered -- Lyndon Johnson, former President of         the U.S.  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamys4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 09:35:14 -06009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)a Subject: Re: Powered by HP3 Message-ID: <nmGvQzDAi7W5@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  e In article <9697b9e2.0205100949.426e53c7@posting.google.com>, rnturn@baxter.com (Rick Turner) writes:s > "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in message news:<92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C3F1@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>... G >> Wow, that never happened to us.  We still have Digital AlphaServers.n > F > It was obviously not done everywhere but probably something that theH > local FS guy decided to get out of the way.  My current employer still+ > has plenty of equipment w/ Digital logos.   K When we got our first Wildfire box 2 years ago, I had some fun counting theuD number of "digital" logos inside. I stopped looking after getting to twenty-something.b  @         You [should] not examine legislation in the light of theD         benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in theF         light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause ifF         improperly administered -- Lyndon Johnson, former President of         the U.S.  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamyn4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:52:34 GMT.9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>e+ Subject: Re: RMS: How many XABs do I need ?u/ Message-ID: <3CF3A548.85493B9D@eps.zko.dec.com>.   JF Mezei wrote:-   >-N > Is there a way for me to then add to the XAB linked list a sufficient numberO > of XABKEY blocks and get those populated so I can get the information on each2 > key ?4  M Many years ago I wrote an answer for that question for the RMS documentation.]P http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4523/4523pro_003.html#prog_index_root   hth.
      Hein.     ** Show_roots.co  **   */h    #include <rms>   #include <stdio>,  #define MAXKEY 10  main (int argc, char *argv[])  {  struct FAB      fab;   struct XABSUM   sum;p  struct XABKEY   xab[MAXKEY];u$  int             i, stat, lvl, keys;    fab = cc$rms_fab;  sum = cc$rms_xabsum;   fab.fab$b_shr = FAB$M_SHRPUT;  fab.fab$b_fac = FAB$M_GET;   fab.fab$l_fna = argv[1];M#  fab.fab$b_fns = STRLEN( argv[1] );t  fab.fab$l_xab = &sum;  stat = SYS$OPEN ( &fab );  if (!(stat&1)) return stat;/  if (fab.fab$b_org!=FAB$C_IDX) return RMS$_ORG;n  keys = sum.xab$b_nok;  fab.fab$l_xab = &xab[0];e  for (i=0; i<keys; i++)o      {      /*d)      ** Init Xab Key for each defined keyn/      ** Point previous to current except first.a      */T      xab[i] = cc$rms_xabkey;      xab[i].xab$b_ref = i;)      if (i) xab[i-1].xab$l_nxt = &xab[i];t      }  /*t3  ** Ask RMS to fill in the XABs hooked off the FAB.s  */a  stat = SYS$DISPLAY ( &fab );h  if (!(stat&1)) return stat;@  printf ("File %s, Root levels: %d", argv[1], xab[0].xab$b_lvl);:  for (i=1; i<keys; i++) printf (", %d", xab[i].xab$b_lvl);  printf (".\n");
  return stat;-  }   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 08:53:46 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: SHOW LOGICAL bug?3 Message-ID: <Kc1IOn0O$NMM@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  c In article <Ct7cz5LZMP5P@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:wV > In article <3CEEBE80.12DF16E6@nospam.net>, Jeffrey Chimene <jeff@nospam.net> writes:Q >>> "If SHOW DEV D showed you all your disks twice would you see no reason to fixp	 >>> that?o >>> T >> Isn't there a prefix mechanism that tells RMS that the current equivalence stringJ >> is a device, and that no further translation is possible? IIRC it's "_" >> (underscore) or %d27. > F > /TRANSLATION=TERMINAL is the definitive method.  Leading underscoresD > were a temporary method introduced in VMS V2, but I can't rememberE > the difference in meaning between a double leading underscore (gonel4 > and not lamented) and a single leading underscore. > G > Escape is used for process permanent logical names, but not in devicep$ > specs to the best of my knowledge.  F My recollection is that a single underscore in the result of a logicalA name translation was taken as an indication that the result was ae? physical device name.  The moral equivalent of /TRANS=TERMINAL.o  = My recollection is that the double underscore was taken as an A indication that the result is a physical device name but that theAF original logical name should be retained for presentation to the user.3 The moral equivalent of /TRANS=(CONCEALED,TERMINAL)t  D This usage persisted until version 4.0 rolled out the modern logical name structure.e   That's a long time ago now.l  @ Single and double leading underscores are still treated as noiseA symbols on disk device names for most (all?) purposes.  But their ; presence in an equivalence name no longer has the effect ofi- suppressing further logical name translation.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 07:57:09 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: SHOW LOGICAL bug?= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0205280657.76b75c86@posting.google.com>    "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> wrote in message news:<craig.berry-2BFFD3.15585324052002@news.directvinternet.com>...o? > In article <343f30ae.0205241142.7a731bf7@posting.google.com>,o2 >  SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) wrote: > K > > "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> wrote in mP > > message news:<craig.berry-B9EA98.17424323052002@news.directvinternet.com>...G > > > Why, when I create a logical name where the logical name and the s > > > equivalence Q > > > name are the same (though they may differ by case), does show logical show t	 > > > me eN > > > the translation 10 times?  Other mechanisms for translating the logical  > > > name   > > > only see it once.    > >  > > J > > The mechanisms that show it only once are cases where you only ask for? > > that. When you use the logical name, you get full iterativetI > > translation unless an equivalence name with the terminal attribute iso > > encountered. > G > Right, but what we're seeing here is that the mechanism intended for -J > iterative translation becomes a mechanism for unintended recursion when F > the logical name and equivalence name are the same.  In the case of G > DEFINE FOO FOO, there is no possibility of further translation after a? > the first iteration, yet it keeps going as though there were.t    @ So, why is this a problem? It gives the correct answer. It showsE exactly what's happening when the logical name is translated in other>	 contexts.t    I > The check that stops iteration just happens to stop the recursion even nF > though it was probably not intended to do so.  Whether we call this     D It was probably (almost certainly) intended to avoid non-terminating  loops as would happen if you did       $ define a b     $ define b a   and it does that very well.t  G > good design or just good luck I don't know, but the thing that stops eG > the loop and the reason we loop in the first place are two different n	 > things.e    % I'm not sure what your point is here.m     [snipr0 > > Bottom line: I see no reason to "fix" this.  > I > I can see that fixing this might be tricky to get right, perhaps could  K > hurt performance, and is very likely a low priority, but the more I look tK > at it the more apparent it becomes that it's really broken.  If SHOW DEV aJ > D showed you all your disks twice would you see no reason to fix that?  D > I think I will take up Matt's suggestion to write the authorities.    D Yes, a very low priority. In fact, I'd prefer that it be left alone.  B Yes, show device listing the same disks twice should be fixed. ButB with logical names it's different. Your example does not cause anyC problems. The output is correct. Fixing it could be problematic. IfrC you fixed it for SHOW LOGICAL, then SHOW LOGICAL would not be doingsF the same thing as other commands, and don't you want it to? (Actually,F SHOW LOGICAL goes by LNM$DCL_LOGICAL for which tables to check whereas@ default translation goes by LNM$FILE_DEV, but normally these areC defined to the same end result, but I digress.) Then they'd have tooC "fix" it for all those other instances. When logical names are used B for queues, mail addresses, etc. Maybe that would only require theD "fix" in one place because the same routine might be called. I don't know.e  5 Here's an example you'll love (SL :== SHOW LOGICAL) :    $ DEFINE A B $ DEFINE B A $ DEFINE A B /JOBi $ SL A     "A" = "B" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  1  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  2  "A" = "B" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  3  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  4  "A" = "B" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  5  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  6  "A" = "B" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  7  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  8  "A" = "B" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  9  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) 8  "A" = "B" (LNM$JOB_8346A840)s 6  "A" = "B" (LNM$JOB_8346A840)3 4  "A" = "B" (LNM$JOB_8346A840)l 2  "A" = "B" (LNM$JOB_8346A840)a    "A" = "B" (LNM$JOB_8346A840)l  1  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  2  "A" = "B" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  3  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  4  "A" = "B" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  5  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  6  "A" = "B" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  7  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  8  "A" = "B" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  9  "B" = "A" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) 8  "A" = "B" (LNM$JOB_8346A840)e 6  "A" = "B" (LNM$JOB_8346A840)i 4  "A" = "B" (LNM$JOB_8346A840)h 2  "A" = "B" (LNM$JOB_8346A840)     E The main problem I find with logical names is that sometimes they get F translated when you don't really want them to be. For example, suppose you have a logical name like       $ DEFINE SPOOK disk:[dir]t  B and you decide to rename a file to SPOOK.TXT but you leave off theD file type so as to take advanatage of sticky defaults (and you don'tD at the time know or recall that there even is such a logical name --F surely you haven't memorized all of the logical names that are defined on your system ) as in       $ RENAME FILE.TYP SPOOK   F What's the result? Instead of SPOOK.TXT you get SPOOK:FILE.TYP! That'sE why I would have preferred that logical names only be translated when-D followed by a colon. But it's too late for that to be fixed now. Too? much existing code would break. For this reason I always try to-; specify at least one file-spec delimiter in all file-specs.8  ; Here's another problem quoted from the comp.os.vms archive:p   [beginq quote]  F In article <2s5nqs$pml@news.tamu.edu>, nburl@tam2000.tamu.edu (Neil A. Burleson) writes: D =More generally, I have found that if you are editing a file FOO.BAR andiD =have a logical FOO_BAR already defined. TPU (not just callable, not justF =within mail) will attempt to open the journal file using the filespec =defined by the logical.   =mC =In my case I had my LOGIN.COM pointed to by a logical LOGIN_COM. In couldn'tE =figure out why the version number was incrementing by 2 every time I  editedC =and saved with TPU. Turns out, I edited LOGIN.COM;10, LOGIN.COM;11k was the:B =journal file (deleted on TPU exit), and LOGIN.COM;12 was my final
 version of
 =the file. =vA =I don't know if this behavior is documented or not. Makes things9 interestingg =at times though...n  > More or less, and not all in one place.  From the online help:  B        o  Buffer-change journaling creates a journal file for each textE           buffer.  This is the EVE default.  Buffer-change journaling$ worksTF           on DECwindows or character-cell terminals.  The journal file nameF           derives from the name of the file or buffer being edited and the .           file type .TPU$JOURNAL--for example:  =              Text Buffer           Buffer-Change Journal Fileu=              ------------------------------------------------s3              MAIN                  MAIN.TPU$JOURNALf9              JABBER.TXT            JABBER_TXT.TPU$JOURNALp?              GUMBO_RECIPE.RNO      GUMBO_RECIPE_RNO.TPU$JOURNAL/<              NEW TEST DATA         NEW_TEST_DATA.TPU$JOURNAL:              * SCRATCH *           __SCRATCH__.TPU$JOURNAL  F That tells you how TPU decides to use a filename LOGIN_COM when you're editing$D LOGIN.COM.  Next, there's the question of how it manages to get back to> LOGIN.COM.  That's because it uses RMS parsing.  It provides a filespec ofgC LOGIN_COM and a default filespec of SYS$SCRATCH:.TPU$JOURNAL.  Wheng
 RMS parsesE this, it first expands the logical name LOGIN_COM, if there is such am logical + name, then applies defaults as appropriate. P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------A Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet:e
 SOL1::CARL   [end quote]b  D Here we get extra versions of the file with wrong data in them. ThisD has since been fixed, BTW. (At least the current version of the fileE remains correct. If the current version would actually become the TPU < journal file, that would be a very annoying problem indeed!)  A Here's another fun problem, but only related to logical names, itoE seems to be more of a problem with the DIRECTORY command, but I'm notr  sure. Maybe it's an RMS problem:  @ $ DIRECTORY/FILE_ID MGR:J*.AEF,EXE:,STA: /NOHEAD/NOTRAI/WI=FI=50@ SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]JUNK.AEF;1                      (2605,186,0)@ SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]JUNK.AEF;1                      (5814,321,0)@ SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]JUNK.AEF;1                      (5814,321,0)@ SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]JUNK.AEF;1                      (2605,186,0)@ SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]JUNK.AEF;1                      (2605,186,0)@ SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]JUNK.AEF;1                      (2605,186,0)@ SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]JUNK.AEF;1                      (2605,186,0)
 $ show def   DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN]  @ Why is JUNK.AEF listed four times for sys$startup? With a fourth? dir-spec, it would be listed 8 additional times! BTW, this onlye@ happens if there is a wildcard (implied or not) in the directoryC argument. Some will say it's because of sticky defaults. BUT I HAVEp= FULLY SPECIFIED THE DIRECTORY PORTION OF ALL THREE DIR-SPECS!-  & A more serious problem is SET DEFAULT:  : $!   1.) If the first translation has a trailing colon and, $!       there is no explicit directory-spec, $!       in the second translation, SYS$DISK< $!       is changed to the 1st translation and the directory5 $!       portion is not changed. The "actual" current . $!       directory remains hidden in SYS$DISK. $!; $!   2.) If the 1st translation has no trailing colon, then 2 $!       only the directory portion of the default, $!       is changed! This can leave SYS$DISK9 $!       incorrect thereby leaving the default incorrect.r $!  C These are problems I'd like to see fixed. Actually, I fixed the SETlF DEFAULT problem in my own SET DEFAULT program called TO.COM (shamelessD plug alert :-) It was actually menition in the release notes for VMSD v5.5-2, that file also mentioning that it would be fixed in a future? release of VMS. Well, I checked VMS v7.2 and it's still broken.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman " afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 09:31:06 -06009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)w# Subject: Re: Stallards smoking gun!a3 Message-ID: <4SB+z3Mli4sV@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  \ In article <3CDAFA0F.5C8CCF08@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:L > Go back to your original statement about the letter. HP was supposed to be9 > doing great things with VMS tyat we all be happy about.r > K > None of that has happened. The statement by Stallard puts VMS on the same N > footing as Tru64. You cannot take the product roadmap by itself. You have toP > consider that Carly has , for 8 months, taken active steps NOT to mention VMS.H > You have to consider that, in the roadmap,  VMS takes up one line thatN > essentially says that HP won't break contractual commitments that Compaq hadM > made with customers. Nothing about fixing the lack of marketing or allowing  > VMS to grow. > J > And then comes the Stallard golden nugget about HP wishing VMS customers > migrate to HP-UX.  > M > HP hasn't had the guts to make the same declaration as it did for Tru64. ItiP > doesn't need to because VMS is obscure and HP need not explain it to the mediaP > (HP had to for Tru64 because HP had to show it was eliminating the duplication > of 2 proprietary Unix).D > O > But the fact remains that HP has given strong hints of its intentions. If you7M > choose not to heed this, you will be caught with your pants down. Check out<M > how quickly Carly moved on the logos etc etc. She won't be wasting any timeC > with VMS.h  J Based on our experience with HPUX vs VMS and TRU64, I'd be more interestedI in a migration path from HPUX to VMS and/or TRU64. Suggestions to migratetK either to HPUX will likely be met with transition from a 2 letter vendor toM a 3 letter vendor.  @         You [should] not examine legislation in the light of theD         benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in theF         light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause ifF         improperly administered -- Lyndon Johnson, former President of         the U.S.  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamyn4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 07:03:35 -0700* From: ken.randell@fortel.com (Ken Randell)B Subject: Re: Sync on green with Elsa Gloria Synergy or Oxygen VX1?= Message-ID: <8debc3ff.0205280603.2364b311@posting.google.com>-  C Sorry, I'm not much help on the SRM variables, but you can't run anu? Oxygen card in the 200 4/233 -- it requires ALPHA EV6 or later.X   Ken Randellu  G sms@antinode.org wrote in message news:<02052623073587@antinode.org>...-F > I currently have a ZLXp-E2 (PGXGA-BA) graphics card in my AlpSta 200D > 4/233, connected to an old (but otherwise nice, honest 19-inch) HPH > (Sony) fixed-frequency RGB display with composite sync on green.  WithH > this card, there's a console variable, "tga_sync_green", which appears- > to arrange for the composite sync on green.  > H >    If I wished to change to an Elsa Gloria Synergy or Oxygen VX1 card,J > is there any way to get the same composite sync on green, or am I doomedA > to update the display or else tack on some lame sync compositorX > hardware?  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > E >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)=E >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work);I >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)o; >    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)b   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:56:48 GMT*+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> # Subject: Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2t2 Message-ID: <k8LI8.14$s93.271421@news.cpqcorp.net>  I For resolution of this problem (servers become unresponsive), I recommend " that you contact Customer Support.  L The TCP/IP Services group is testing a fix for a shared socket problem whichL may address the problem you're seeing and they'll be able to get you a patch as soon as one is available.  K As Patrick mentions, ECO4 fixes a memory leak in socket structures, but the-* shared socket problem is a separate issue.  
 Rick Barry) Compaq Secure Web Server Development Team  OpenVMS Systems Software Group Hewlett Packard Corporationo
 Nashua, NH  ? "Martin Vorlaender" <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote in messagee5 news:3cf26e89.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de...D, > Patrick Young (P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU) wrote:C > > "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> wrote...u@ > > > ever since having set up CSWS 1.0 I have observed that theA > > > web server becomes unresponsive now and then (once in three C > > > days up to a few times a day). No problem, I wrote a DCL/Perls >"% > Thanks, Patrick. I'll give it a go.S >I > cu,I
 >   Martin > --J >    Emacs would be a great   | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 >    operating system,        | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeJ >    if only it came with     |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> >    a decent editor...       | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 10:56:58 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)# Subject: Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2e= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0205280956.6546170b@posting.google.com>    winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A0E8C7.5C4B81C6@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...? > In article <d7791aa1.0205261819.5ca92e51@posting.google.com>,l, > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: >  > >uE > >this sounds alot like the problem we had w/tcpware and apache, andeF > >it got to the point where we had restarts every 5 minutes and afterG > >log analysis found out that broken pipes among other things were theoF > >culprit ... I thought a patch had been put out, but maybe it didn'tG > >do the trick ... that is why I told Q to buy Purveyor instead of the F > >"what's popular" unix garbage, but to no avail ... looks like I was	 > >right!- > F > The purpose of porting Apache and producing CSWS is to sell more VMSF > systems, or at least to avoid losing more VMS sales.  To the extent E > that there is one, Apache is the industry-standard webserver.  WithAG > CSWS, Compaq could now say "not only do we have the industry-standardwG > webserver, but our own engineers support it" and counter some of the aC > opposition's points about a lack of software availability on VMS.N > G > (This is why, in my opinion, CSWS and Java are the most important newrP > VMS features of the last five years.  With them, there's a selling propositionI > that makes it at least possible to get new customers in the e-commerce gJ > arena, whether or not sales and marketing follow through.  Without thoseM > features, sales and marketing start with one hand tied behind their backs.)e > L > Not a lot of people (with the exception of your operation, perhaps, but I L > think you've said you only buy hardware used or at fire sales) were buyingO > VMS systems to run Purveyor - certainly not enough to make it worth Process'slM > while to keep Purveyor under development - and there's no reason to think ae5 > lot more would have started if Compaq picked it up.  > M > "Do you run Apache, the most popular webserver on the planet, with a lot ofvE > webmaster and developer training and books available?"  "No, but we N > bought the rights to Purveyor, which wasn't popular enough to make it on itsQ > own, and which you'll have to learn without any third-party support."  _That's_y > an attractive proposition. > N > Note that the logic of this decision has zip, zero, nada, nothing to do withM > the relative quality or VMS-appropriateness of Purveyor vs. that of Apache.tQ > Basically, if VMS is gonna be an ecommerce player at all it has to run Apache - N > even if some perfectly sensible sites find that WASD or OSU or Purveyor fit  > better for them. > 	 > -- Alane >   I so you agree with the "free" crowd that running popular, free, "inferior" F software is better than maybe having to buy something that actually is better?c   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:47:48 GMTl, From: "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com>( Subject: Re: VAX emulators (was freeVMS)1 Message-ID: <ECGI8.1$433.131199@news.cpqcorp.net>e  F I don't follow the logic, Didier, but I know people who are happy withK Charon-VAX (and I'd be happy to try it). One big advantage of Charon-VAX isr( that you can run the emulator on LINUX (F http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/CHVX_Linux_lite.htm ). So, if youG regard LINUX as the way to go, and if you're not comfortable  about thehH longevity of OpenVMS, you can still run highly-functional and much-loved7 applications (such as ALL-IN-1) in a Windoze-free zone.l   b   : "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote in message! news:3CF298B5.12445E97@Free.fr...fA > As HPAQ adverts for Charon-Vax, I guess it is the best product.r .. .x .    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:40:12 +0200C- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> ( Subject: Re: VAX emulators (was freeVMS)' Message-ID: <3CF3A4D8.623E3CE4@Free.fr>L  L Well, everyone (or nearly) knows that these guys from SRI are the former DEC0 Geneva Migration Engineering Group, aren't they?   D.   Bob Knowles wrote: > # > I don't follow the logic, Didier,r ../..c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:19:13 -0600a From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>n( Subject: Re: VAX emulators (was freeVMS)& Message-ID: <3CF3AE01.8000109@srv.net>   Bob Knowles wrote:H > I don't follow the logic, Didier, but I know people who are happy withM > Charon-VAX (and I'd be happy to try it). One big advantage of Charon-VAX is"* > that you can run the emulator on LINUX (H > http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/CHVX_Linux_lite.htm ). So, if youI > regard LINUX as the way to go, and if you're not comfortable  about theAJ > longevity of OpenVMS, you can still run highly-functional and much-loved9 > applications (such as ALL-IN-1) in a Windoze-free zone.8  @ Actually, both TS10 and SIMH also work on Linux. The plusses for= them are the lack of any licensing fees. Charon-VAX currentlyS> handles more emulated hardware, and has a longer track record.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 03:49:43 -07006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)U Subject: VAX/VMS v5.5-2  Product - "Digital Security Gate" - what is the upgrade pathL= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0205280249.436a9d39@posting.google.com>6   Hi,   ? I have a VAX/VMS system with OpenVMS v5.5-2 running the Digital D Security Gate v1.1 firewall software. Does anyone know where I mightA find more information on this product, and if there is an upgrade,: path, or what is the equivalent product on OpenVMS Alpha ?   $ NSGr NSG >n   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 08:27:25 -0700! From: pyeargi@yahoo.com (Peter Y)d, Subject: Re: VMS Clusters with FDDI/Ethernet= Message-ID: <15a86a22.0205280727.1658aa06@posting.google.com>d  f pyeargi@yahoo.com (Peter Y) wrote in message news:<15a86a22.0205231031.1bbc0512@posting.google.com>...C > Alright...I have a situation on my hands and I'm looking for somehH > advice on where to proceed.  I have a VMS cluster currently configuredE > with three local bootnodes attached to an HSJ via CI.  They are alleF > networked via gig-E to a Cisco 6509 Switch.  I also have a satelliteB > that I am attempting to boot into the cluster.  The satellite isG > running FDDI and is attached to a DECHUB 900 Multiswitch.  The DECHUBcE > is attached to a DEC Multiswitch 700 which converts FDDI to GigabitnE > Ethernet.  In this configure, the satellite boots with no problems.e > B > However, when I add a VNSwitch900 FX module to the DECHUB900 and? > connect its Fast ethernet uplink to the Cisco switch, therebylB > bypassing the MS700, the satellite will not boot.  The satelliteG > receives its operating system just fine as it did before, but when itgG > goes out to look for its disk partition, it hangs indefinitely.  If IdA > disconnect the Fast ethernet and reconnect the FDDI, the system1/ > finishes coming up.  Anyone offer any advice?,  D Let me clarify how things are currently set up.  I have properly setD up a FDDI ring on the backplane, connected the FDDI daughter card toB this FDDI ring on the backplane, and connected the 900FH module toC this FDDI ring...all via clearvisn.  The Satellite is connected viauF FDDI to the 900FH module, and the boot server is connected via FDDI to? a FDDI/Gigaswitch.  When the 100FX port on the VNSwitch900FX isaA connected and operating, it connects to a Cisco 6509 switch whichmA connects via Gig-E to the MS700 and out the MS700 via FDDI to theiB FDDI/Gigaswitch. The traffic then takes the following path between boot server and satellite.  B *--*  FDDI  *--*  100FX *--*  GigE  *--*   FDDI *--*  FDDI  *--*  A |  | -------|  | -------|  | -------|  | -------|  | -------|  | JA *--*        *--*        *--*        *--*        *--*        *--* C  C Satellite   MS900       6509        MS700     FDDI/Gig    ES40 Boot  Server      A When the MS900 is using its FDDI uplink, it bypasses the 6509 andT@ MS700 completely and plugs directly to the FDDI/Gigaswitch.  TheE satellite boots in this configuration perfectly.  The only difference E in this whole path is the fast ethernet with a different packet size,p= unless I am missing something.  Any help is much appreciated.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:45:39 -0500n1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> ' Subject: Re: Who cares about marketing!a0 Message-ID: <acvu8g$e9$1@fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   Yep, it was Galaxy Quest.-   -- Dave...   > An honest man in politics shines more than he would elsewhere. -----Mark Twaine  4 "Steve Thompson" <smt@vgersoft.com> wrote in messageB news:Pine.LNX.4.33.0205241956100.28412-100000@vger.vgersoft.com...+ > On Thu, 16 May 2002, Dave Gudewicz wrote:. > I > > Never give up.  Never surrender.    <---- remember that movie and thed storye > > it told? >e > Galaxy Quest?e >a > -s >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:28:36 +0100b From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>u, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins) Message-ID: <3CF331A3.51D88FC3@Omond.net>/   Alan Greig wrote:0   > [...snip...] >]F > Don't try to buy milk with a 100 dollar bill at a 7-11 late at nightG > either.  Memo to our internal travel office "Please do not provide me 8 > with expense advances in denominations of 100 dollars" >1D > I was later told that successfully getting change from 100 dollarsH > late at night was sometimes a prelude to armed robbery as it indicatesD > that the employees have immediate access to a reasonable amount ofG > cash. Therefore employees are instructed to say they can't change it. G > In the UK I would expect perhaps "do you have anything smaller".  NotiG > "we can't accept that under any circumstances" as happened In Dallas.(H > In the end I had to go back to the hotel for a credit card just to buy > milk.f >t > [...snip...]   Jeez, Alan, milk ????T  D I'd be guy wary o' a wee Scotsman tryin' tae buy milk late at night,) never mind what currency denomination :-)    Now, if it was whisky ...    Orrabes,  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 28 May 2002 03:42 CDTo' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)!, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins- Message-ID: <28MAY200203421454@gerg.tamu.edu>S  5 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes...nI }> But what the heck is a "quid"? A nickel is a nickel because is was one G }> of the earlier US coins to be made with nickel (and it wasn't coppertJ }> colored, like the earlier one, two, and tree cent coins that had nickelK }> in them). I strongly suspect that a quid isn't made out of quid (or evenT
 }> squid). } M }Quid is Brit slang for the pound. Why the Brits chose the pound for the name J }of its currency is beyond me, but same can be said for baht, dong, dinar, }etc.   B I knew that. What I wanted to know is what it is other than money.@ Nickel is a metal, and the cons are called that because they areA composed (partly) of it. What is a "quid"? Or, if you prefer, whye is a quid a quid?.  D (Actually, I already know the answer to this - the answer is "nobodyF knows". That is because nobody knows. This slang term is centuries old and its origins are unknown.)m  E A pound is a pound because it is, or was, literally a pound of silveraC (based on one of the many definitions of the weight of a pound that ? existed at the time). This is why the symbol is "" - it is fore? "livre" which is french for "pound". (Well, "la livre" = pound, = "le livre" = book. Babelfish actually gets this wrong, givingo" "book" for both - I just checked.)  C A "Loonie" is probably anyone who posts in these off topic threads.i   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 05:18:40 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> , Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins, Message-ID: <3CF34B67.3ACE538C@videotron.ca>   Carl Perkins wrote:rE > A "Loonie" is probably anyone who posts in these off topic threads.    A loon appears on the coin.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:05:57 GMTs, From: "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com>, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins0 Message-ID: <9EII8.6$U03.23576@news.cpqcorp.net>  K And when there are two loons on the face of the coin, it is - of course - ai 'doubloon'.t   bn  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CF34B67.3ACE538C@videotron.ca... > Carl Perkins wrote:lG > > A "Loonie" is probably anyone who posts in these off topic threads.r >p > A loon appears on the coin.U   ------------------------------   Date: 28 May 2002 04:44 CDTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)h, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins- Message-ID: <28MAY200204441975@gerg.tamu.edu>   = Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes...e }Alan Greig wrote:3 }> Oh well one day we'll all be on the Euro anyway.  } 5 }Right, and then having, how many variants of coins ? 0 }Is it 8 or 10 times the number of EU countries.5 }Remember, one side of the Euro coins are "local", so-3 }there are as many variants as there are countries.o }  }Pretty insain, if you ask me. }  }Jan-Erik Sderholm.an  D I don't see thw problem with that. The design is irrelevant. If theyF are all worth the same, the same size and shape, are identicaal on oneJ side, and have an easily identifiable value, what difference does it make?  B The US is currently changing the design of the quarter dollar coinA 5 times each year. They are producing them with one side that hasrB a design for one of the 50 states, released in the order that theyC became states. So when they are done in 2008 there will be quarters-E in circulation with 50 different designs for the states, plus the oldtC design (and then whatever design they plan to use after that, whichy& might not be the same as the old one).   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 28 May 2002 06:42 CDTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) , Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins- Message-ID: <28MAY200206422141@gerg.tamu.edu>w  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...o }Carl Perkins wrote:F }> A "Loonie" is probably anyone who posts in these off topic threads. }  }A loon appears on the coin.   And in newsgroups.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:39:27 -0400o2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins. Message-ID: <3CF37A7F.4B7B50A7@mindspring.com>   Alan Greig wrote:n  G > I was glad to hear George Bush say "nuclear" yesterday. When he first-F > took office I recall him referring to "nucular weapons". Or maybe heD > was right and nucular weapons are something highly classified. ButD > then I come from a part of Scotland where we put a "u" in film and > pronounce it "filum"  2 Someone must have whacked him upside the head with6 a plutonium 2x4, then. As of last week, the Pretender-5 in-Thief was still pronouncing it "Nuke-ular". What ao moron!   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:53:23 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coinsI Message-ID: <DRMI8.133549$t8_.53897@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>p  J Canada's newest paper currency has Braille embossed in one of the corners,( indicating the denomination of the bill.      9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message1' news:873cwe90t0.fsf@prep.synonet.com...P5 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:r >.F > > Continuing this off-topic adventure in things numismatic, word hasH > > it that the US Treasury plans to introduce coloured bills ReasonablyE > > Soon Now.  Apparently 100s, 50s, and 20s are the prime candidatese > > for first colourization. >nC > > A shame that we can't emulate the Aussies and use multicolored,EF > > multi-sized folding currency made out of Mylar. The see-thru panel > > is a nice touch, too.  >oJ > Get them to add the Dutch `touch panel' embossed patterns for the vision( > impaired, and it would be pretty good. >.G > The only problem I have had with them, is some times you get one that-C > tears with near no provocation. They are a beutifull printing jobC	 > though.u >c > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.(B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:58:47 GMTl# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coinsJ Message-ID: <HWMI8.133595$t8_.122068@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? I'm still looking for the "R" in Wa'r'shington and wa'r'shroom.u    8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:AhzFd50yTkle@eisner.encompasserve.org...t? > In article <9f261edc.0205240546.56ab8dc6@posting.google.com>, / tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell) writes:  >d > > A > > Still haven't got all the Americanisms out of my vocab. StillrH > > pronounce the "c" in "schedule". And no end of confused looks when ID > > ask bar staff in UK pubs where the "john" is. But at least I sayF > > Montana & Louisiana properly (instead of "montarna" & "louisiarna"F > > which really irritates me). When Clinton was in the White House, II > > even heard a UK newscaster pronounce "Arkansas" as it's spelled. Dear < > > oh dear, 10 seconds research would have sorted that out. > >e >.D > You don't have to leave the country to get bizarre pronunciations.G > When visiting Pennsylvania and/or after moving back, it is surprising B > how many Penn. folks pronounce Illinois as "Ill-a-noise" instead > of the correct "Ill-a-noi" >n > Robb >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:13:54 GMTp* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins@ Message-ID: <61OI8.51455$%o.4793384@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in messagep( news:3CF37A7F.4B7B50A7@mindspring.com... > Alan Greig wrote:  >rI > > I was glad to hear George Bush say "nuclear" yesterday. When he firstbH > > took office I recall him referring to "nucular weapons". Or maybe heF > > was right and nucular weapons are something highly classified. ButF > > then I come from a part of Scotland where we put a "u" in film and > > pronounce it "filum" >a4 > Someone must have whacked him upside the head with8 > a plutonium 2x4, then. As of last week, the Pretender-7 > in-Thief was still pronouncing it "Nuke-ular". What a- > moron!  L While I agree that Dubya is far from the brightest light in the DC ChristmasG tree, that particular mispronunciation is common inside the beltway andi! dates back to the Eisenhower era.P   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 12:28:48 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins3 Message-ID: <eFEGI$bdOUk6@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  a In article <AhzFd50yTkle@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:o > E > 	You don't have to leave the country to get bizarre pronunciations.9H > 	When visiting Pennsylvania and/or after moving back, it is surprisingC > 	how many Penn. folks pronounce Illinois as "Ill-a-noise" insteadg > 	of the correct "Ill-a-noi"h >   E    According to the official state song it's a misspelling of EllanoyC    in any case.m   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 12:32:16 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a, Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins3 Message-ID: <B7ZZrHm48O0r@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  _ In article <acm0l9$35a$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:. > E > If you mean like "ar" "kansas" as opposed to "arkansaw" that is how G > it was pronounced until at least the 50's.  I have a rather extensive:D > collection of Old Time Radio Shows and am amazed at how many words7 > have changed their american pronunciation since then.2 >   7    It still is in NYC.  But what was it in Little Rock?    ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2002 12:35:38 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins3 Message-ID: <gwxmW3lI4RSt@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  D In article <3CEEBD62.4040307@gce.com>, Everhart <ge@gce.com> writes:  C > It is of course always fun to express, say, the speed of light inn > rods per fortnight...o >w  A    Any serious physics student can tell you the proper measure isX    furlongs per fortnight.  D    Any advanced physics student can tell you it doesn't matter, you     just let c be 1.w   ------------------------------   Date: 28 May 2002 05:43 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)'6 Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins, measures- Message-ID: <28MAY200205433805@gerg.tamu.edu>v  - p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes...es }In article <Pine.LNX.4.33.0205241951160.28412-100000@vger.vgersoft.com>, Steve Thompson <smt@vgersoft.com> writes:f' }> On Fri, 24 May 2002, Everhart wrote:eG }>> Of course we have this decimal currency system which does not force-H }>> people to learn to do arithmetic properly as the old British coinageG }>> did. After awhile we forget the measures. A firkin is I believe 1/4eI }>> barrel, but how many gallons to a barrel? Bushels and pecks are still4H }>> familiar since all the roadside stands have bushel and peck baskets.E }>> It is of course always fun to express, say, the speed of light ino }>> rods per fortnight...t }> dK }> I always thought that a firkin was an Olde English measure, usually used H }> in units of two to denote an excess. For example, two firkin big, two }> firkin heavy, etc.- }> -G }I've always understood that usage to be a slang pun on the swear word.P } A }A firkin is 9 Imperial (i.e. UK) gallons, 4 firkins to a barrel.a } ; }For the rest see http://home.clara.net/brianp/volumes.htmlo }__t }Paul Sturen }Switzerland  B It has also been used as a measure of weight. In such a case it isF generally four stone. Of course, a "stone" varies in size depending on( what you are weighing, as does a firkin.  H   "A firkin of butter is 56lb, a firkin of soap is 64lb, and a firkin of   raisins 112lb."eF         - the American 'Journal of Science', 1937, with respect to theF           state of standardization of weights and measures in Britain.  K   "What is a stone? Fourteen pounds of a living man, eight of a slaughteredDL   bullock, sixteen of cheese, five of glass, thirty-two of hemp, sixteen andL   three-quarters of flax at Belfast, four and twenty of flax at Downpatrick.I   It is fourteen pounds of wool as sold by the growers, fifteen pounds oft3   wool as sold by the wool staplers to each other."tG         - from a letter in 'Monthly Review' of the Incorporated Societye8           of Inspectors of Weights and Measures, in 1893  H It would seem that while the state of standards and compliance with themD is not all that good in today's computer industy, it is nevertheless+ superior to the way such things used to be.i   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:52:24 GMTl1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> 6 Subject: Re: [Change topic]:  USofA'an coins, measures6 Message-ID: <YINI8.109$fT5.80676@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>  I > }>> Of course we have this decimal currency system which does not forceaJ > }>> people to learn to do arithmetic properly as the old British coinageI > }>> did. After awhile we forget the measures. A firkin is I believe 1/4sK > }>> barrel, but how many gallons to a barrel? Bushels and pecks are stillTJ > }>> familiar since all the roadside stands have bushel and peck baskets.G > }>> It is of course always fun to express, say, the speed of light in  > }>> rods per fortnight...-  . How many U (1.75 inches) are there in a Smoot?  F Back on topic, up to 40 1U AlphaServer DS20Ls fit in a 6-foot cabinet.7 That's 80 CPUs. But nary a one of 'em will run OpenVMS.r   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.294 ************************