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 Re: <None>+ Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly? + Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly? + Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly? + Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly? + Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly? + Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly? + Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly?  Re: CHARON-ALPHA - soon ???? Re: CHARON-ALPHA - soon ???? Re: CHARON-ALPHA - soon ???? Re: CHARON-ALPHA - soon ???? Re: decwindows resolution  Re: decwindows resolution ' Re: Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP?  FTP with SSL for VMS/Alpha?  Re: FTP with SSL for VMS/Alpha?  Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP advocacy survey Re: HP advocacy survey Re: HP advocacy survey Re: HP User Advocacy ADE survey  Re: HP User Advocacy ADE survey  Re: HP User Advocacy ADE survey  Re: Immutable laws of the PC Re: Immutable laws of the PC, import/export between oracle 8.1.7 and 8.0.35 Re: Itanic ordered to halt by court. Iceberge free... 5 Re: Itanic ordered to halt by court. Iceberge free... 5 Re: Itanic ordered to halt by court. Iceberge free...  Migrating Linux files to VMS  RE: Migrating Linux files to VMS  Re: Migrating Linux files to VMS Re: NCDware for OpenVMS ?  OPCOM/console questions % Re: Pathworks v6 (AS) & Win2000 (SBS)  Remote Console access  Re: Remote Console access  RE: Remote Console access  Re: Remote Console access # Remote VMScluster recovery question  SMTP connection OPCOM messages" Re: TCPIP buglet ... (UCX$UCP.EXE)" Re: TCPIP buglet ... (UCX$UCP.EXE)0 Re: VMS PHP connect to local Oracle Rdb Database0 Re: VMS PHP connect to local Oracle Rdb Database& Re: [Fwd: HP User Advocacy ADE survey]  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2002 13:48:21 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: <None> 3 Message-ID: <IZX6PAuLLk1F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3DC18D27.233480FC@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:1 >> In practice Z-OS or MVS is also under the same 1 >> kind of threat as OpenVMS, falling ISV support / >> and a push on cost reduction means that lots 3 >> of customers are trying to ditch their S390 tin.  > N > This is nowhere near the same level as VMS. MVS has a much bigger "audience"M > then VMS.  It runs the largest corporations. Also, since the mid 1990s, IBM N > has adapted MVS to the times, changing licensing to make it more affordable.L > Gerstner did wonders for IBM, changing its mentality and opening up to theN > rest of the world. It used to be that inside IBM, only IBM proprietary stuffP > existed (token ring is a good example). But under Gerstner, IBM adopted a more9 > open strategy, acknowledging ethernet, Unix, TCPIP etc.  > K > Also, IBM has absolutely no problems talking about its mainframe business O > doing well (or not so well) in its financial reports. It is also undergoint a N > long term transition from the 360 to the Power architecture for MVS. (Ok, soN > MVS and the 360 have also undergone silly name changes, so that have that in > common with VMS).  > N > I think corporations now have a more distributed approach to their mainframeO > with a variety of smaller servers around the mainframe. So yes, the MVS boxes K > haven't been tasked of handling all the growth anymore, since much of the @ > newer apps are given to Unix boxes, but they are still strong.  ? 	I agree with Andrew that mainframes are under siege.  Unix is  I 	supplanting.  VMS isn't as expensive as OS/390 - zOS and has its niches.   - 	I think we will see a pretty big contraction A 	in mainframes in the next 2-3 years.  They aren't going away but ? 	it will be a smaller segment.  Costs are high... wasting money D 	is never a good thing.  For all the upside in the following article+ 	the killer is what is found at the bottom:   5 http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20021017S0004    	Page 2:  7 http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20021017S0004/2   G Still, not all mainframe customers see a future in IBM's zSeries. Sabre K Holdings Corp. revealed earlier this month that it has begun to migrate its N airfare-pricing application from its IBM mainframes to Hewlett-Packard NonStopI servers. The migration is the first part of a four-year program to switch : Sabre's pricing, scheduling, and seating system from IBM'sP transaction-processing technology to Unix using relational-database technology.   D NonStop servers will cut the cost of running Sabre's airfare-pricingN application by about 40%, says Craig Murphy, Sabre's chief technology officer,K though he wouldn't provide specific figures. Similarly, Sabre rival Galileo L International, a subsidiary of travel-services company Cendant Corp., in MayJ began replacing part of its IBM mainframe infrastructure with SunFire 6800M servers and Solaris 8 for its GlobalFares airfare-pricing system. It's a move M Galileo says will save the company tens of millions of dollars in programming   and hardware-maintenance costs.     > 	Sabre is saving a ton of money and it is a much more scalable7 	system (not that an IBM Parallel Sysplex is a slouch).   B 	I'm sure HP will leverage Sabre's success.  I know how this works? 	too.  A bigwig gets fun days in exciting Tulsa Oklahoma.  Tour  	of the data center:   http://www.rink.com/sabre.htm   1 	golf, steaks, rodeos, rattlesnake roundups, etc.    				Rob    M "Any escape might help to smooth the unattractive truth but the suburbs have  B  no charm to soothe the restless dreams of youth."   -- Neil Peart   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:23:15 -0500 , From: Mark Jilson <jilly@clarityconnect.com> Subject: Re: <None> 2 Message-ID: <wofw9.187$nS.7917@newsfeed.slurp.net>  F Yes you may do a rolling reboot.  XFC will work with VIOC in the same  cluster.   David Webb wrote:   I > In article <apre5d$4a9e2$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de>, "Martin O'Connor"  > <moconnor@dvfs.com> writes: J >>Sorry for being so terse. The system is a cluster of 6 nodes, 4 CI AlphaH >>nodes (2 AS4100 & 2 AS2100) and 2 NI nodes (1 Alpha & 1 VAX). For thisK >>week all of the disks are on HSJ 40s and 50s and all night long the CI is L >>being used at max. Within the next few weeks we are migrating to an EVA so0 >>I hope to really blow the socks off the users. >> >>Marty  > K > I've got a cluster of VMS 7.3-1 systems with the latest patches on but am , > still currently running with VCC_FLAGS = 1 >  > VCC_FLAGS is not dynamic. K > Can I do a rolling reboot of the cluster to change this or will I need to K > take all the cluster members down at once ie can XFC be run on some nodes 3 > with Virtual IO cache running on the other nodes.  >  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >>+ >><norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message ; >>news:OF2992F7FD.D9062DF9-ON85256C63.004DC2A9@metso.com...  >>8 >>Is this for a standalone system or a clustered system?G >>Pardon my ignorance, but does XFC help cluster-shared storage IO this  >>much?  >> >>A >>"Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com> on 10/31/2002 08:40:32 AM  >>9 >>Please respond to "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>  >> >>To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>cc:  >>Subject:    Re: <None> >>D >>After we upgraded to VMS 7.3-1 in mid Sept., with XFC turned on, IL >>observed a 20% decrease in the clock time for out nightly batch runs whichJ >>are very IO bound. Even users came (unsolicited) asking what we had done$ >>because the systems seemed faster. >> >>Marty O'Connor >> >> >> >> >>   --  C Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY H       - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanH       - Mark.Jilson@hp.com                            - since 1975 or soH       - http://www.jilly.baka.com           - http://www.brettbodine.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:06:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: <None> , Message-ID: <3DC18D27.233480FC@videotron.ca>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:0 > In practice Z-OS or MVS is also under the same0 > kind of threat as OpenVMS, falling ISV support. > and a push on cost reduction means that lots2 > of customers are trying to ditch their S390 tin.  L This is nowhere near the same level as VMS. MVS has a much bigger "audience"K then VMS.  It runs the largest corporations. Also, since the mid 1990s, IBM L has adapted MVS to the times, changing licensing to make it more affordable.J Gerstner did wonders for IBM, changing its mentality and opening up to theL rest of the world. It used to be that inside IBM, only IBM proprietary stuffN existed (token ring is a good example). But under Gerstner, IBM adopted a more7 open strategy, acknowledging ethernet, Unix, TCPIP etc.   I Also, IBM has absolutely no problems talking about its mainframe business M doing well (or not so well) in its financial reports. It is also undergoint a L long term transition from the 360 to the Power architecture for MVS. (Ok, soL MVS and the 360 have also undergone silly name changes, so that have that in common with VMS).   L I think corporations now have a more distributed approach to their mainframeM with a variety of smaller servers around the mainframe. So yes, the MVS boxes I haven't been tasked of handling all the growth anymore, since much of the > newer apps are given to Unix boxes, but they are still strong.   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 02 23:18:01 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: <None> ) Message-ID: <Qm7c4ABM7bFV@elias.decus.ch>   ^ In article <OFF8CE8C7A.5FE268DA-ON85256C62.006C3047@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > 
 > Good catch! G > That might be a useful line to add at the end of the procedure  ;-) .   > Given that VUPOMETER has a date prior to Alphas, I don't think it's valid any more.  I Here is another I picked up a couple of years ago. It was pretty accurate D when applied to my Vaxstation 3100, and seems reasonably good on theD Alphas I have tried. I modified it then to do an Alpha/VAX test, but1 I'll warn you now it is not Itanium compliant :-)    $!
 $ set noon( $ orig_privs        = f$setprv("ALTPRI")( $ process_priority  = f$getjpi(0,"PRIB")K $ cpu_multiplier    = 10                        ! VAX = 10 - Alpha/AXP = 40 K $ cpu_round_add     =  1                        ! VAX =  1 - Alpha/AXP =  9 > $ if f$edit(f$getsyi("arch_name"),"upcase,trim") .eqs. "ALPHA" $ then $       cpu_multiplier = 40  $       cpu_round_add  =  9  $ endif ' $ cpu_round_divide  = cpu_round_add + 1 * $ init_counter      = cpu_multiplier * 525 $ init_loop_maximum = 205 * $ start_cputime     = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") $ loop_index        = 0  $ 10$:! $     loop_index = loop_index + 1 8 $     if loop_index .ne. init_loop_maximum then goto 10$% $ end_cputime  = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") C $ init_vups    = ((init_counter / (end_cputime - start_cputime) + - H                    cpu_round_add) / cpu_round_divide) * cpu_round_divide5 $ loop_maximum = (init_vups * init_loop_maximum) / 10 0 $ base_counter = (init_counter * init_vups) / 10 $ vups         = 0 $ times_through_loop = 0 $ 20$:) $    start_cputime = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM")  $    loop_index = 0 	 $    30$: $ $        loop_index = loop_index + 16 $        if loop_index .ne. loop_maximum then goto 30$' $    end_cputime = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") B $    new_vups = ((base_counter / (end_cputime - start_cputime) + -G                   cpu_round_add) / cpu_round_divide) * cpu_round_divide ) $    if  new_vups .eq. vups then goto 40$  $    vups = new_vups0 $    times_through_loop = times_through_loop + 1, $ if times_through_loop .le. 5 then goto 20$ $ 40$:" $ new_privs = f$setprv(orig_privs)< $ set message /nofacility/noidentification/noseverity/notext1 $ ASSIGN/SYSTEM/EXEC  'vups'  MACHINE_VUPS_RATING 4 $ set message /facility/identification/severity/text: $ write sys$output "Approximate System VUPs Rating :  ", -;                    vups / 10,".", vups - ((vups / 10) * 10)  $ exit  @ Result on my Alpha PWS 600au (598 MHz according to CLUE CONFIG):  ' Approximate System VUPs Rating :  757.0   B The 466MHz DS10 at work comes out with over 900 on the same test.      --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 02 23:58:21 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: <None> ) Message-ID: <CoPLZYADYASI@elias.decus.ch>    Well folks,   E I am answering to the first respondent in this thread, because I have F had so many good answers, the variety of which have helped demonstrateE the dilemma. Even the cynical or humourous responses were valuable in 
 this contect.    Kerry's first url was a belter:   4 "Performance Comparisons: Why Must They Be So Hard?"2 http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/Article.cfm?ID=12036  8 Authored by "IBM's iSeries chief scientist", the article6 basically describes why he withdrew a previous article2 trying to describe cross-server comparisons. It is3 worth a read, and was a super reference to throw at 
 the IBM team.   < Then, I have to say that AH's response was highly practical.= Thanks Andrew, for that. You are not let off playground style ? arguments, but when you come out with something worth listening  to, then I'll listen.    8 The speculation in this thread had me chuckling greatly,8 although, Great Shame, I cannot share the joke publicly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:30:33 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: <None> , Message-ID: <3DC1E748.91914D49@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:6 >         I think we will see a pretty big contraction/ >         in mainframes in the next 2-3 years.    L I don't. I think that the applications that are on MVS right now are more orM less here to stay. New ones are definitely going to other platforms, but that ( has been the case for some time already.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 03:50:02 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: <None> J Message-ID: <KRmw9.121225$mxk1.81901@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3DBF478E.7073C390@fsi.net...  > Tom Linden wrote:  > > = > > FWIW, some years ago we used to figure that 2 VUP = 1 MIP  > # > More like .9 VUP = roughly 1 MIP.  > H > There's a story there, but it's been too long and I don't remember the
 > details. > J > Nowadays, they talk about "transactions" per second, but I've yet to see: > a lucid explanation of what constitutes a "transaction".    E transaction - everything the bank dings you with a service charge for    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 03:58:16 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: <None> I Message-ID: <sZmw9.138002$Q3S.21449@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:IZX6PAuLLk1F@eisner.encompasserve.org... 9 > http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20021017S0004/2  > I > Still, not all mainframe customers see a future in IBM's zSeries. Sabre I > Holdings Corp. revealed earlier this month that it has begun to migrate  its H > airfare-pricing application from its IBM mainframes to Hewlett-Packard NonStop K > servers. The migration is the first part of a four-year program to switch < > Sabre's pricing, scheduling, and seating system from IBM'sE > transaction-processing technology to Unix using relational-database  technology.  > F > NonStop servers will cut the cost of running Sabre's airfare-pricingG > application by about 40%, says Craig Murphy, Sabre's chief technology  officer,E > though he wouldn't provide specific figures. Similarly, Sabre rival  Galileo J > International, a subsidiary of travel-services company Cendant Corp., in May L > began replacing part of its IBM mainframe infrastructure with SunFire 6800J > servers and Solaris 8 for its GlobalFares airfare-pricing system. It's a moveC > Galileo says will save the company tens of millions of dollars in  programming ! > and hardware-maintenance costs.  >  > ? > Sabre is saving a ton of money and it is a much more scalable 8 > system (not that an IBM Parallel Sysplex is a slouch).  L Not having ever worked with it, but my recollection of Sabre is that it usesH IBM's TPF which if memory serves correctly is a not quite an o/s and notI quite a TP monitor, and requires immense handholding from IBM (read 'Take E your checkbook and sign all the checks...we'll fill in the amount.').   J There's probably not more than a handful of TPF customers in the world, so< it's not hard to see how Tandem could come in a lot cheaper.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:23:46 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: <None> + Message-ID: <3DC201CA.3C290CC@videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote: L > There's probably not more than a handful of TPF customers in the world, so> > it's not hard to see how Tandem could come in a lot cheaper.  & Not sure Tandem could handle the load.  K Also, Sabre and IBM are best friends with lots of outsourcing contracts etc 0 etc. Very doubtful that Sabre woudl abandon IBM.  K It is interesting that on one of those "Inform" (or whatever name was being L used that week), one of the rare mentions of VMS was with reference to Sabre6 still using microvax IIs as part of its sabre system !   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2002 16:41 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 4 Subject: Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly?- Message-ID: <31OCT200216414311@gerg.tamu.edu>   / "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes...  }stu wrote:  }  }>Hi,  }>E }>I need to be able to access the vax vms keyboard directly so that I B }>can capture key presses as they occur, including the arrow keys. }>F }>When you use the getchar() library routine (which advertises that itF }>gets a character from stdin), it actually doesn't get any charactersH }>until the user has pressed the ENTER key.  And, any arrow keys pressed }>are filtered out of stdin. }>3 }>Is there a way for a C program to do what I need?  }>   }>I }Using VMS System Service calls to $QIO on the terminal that the process  @ }is connected to, you can read per key input if you so desire... }  }Barry  ( Another alternative is the SMG routines.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:36:28 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 4 Subject: Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly?/ Message-ID: <us3fjsdd4him88@corp.supernews.com>   ! stu <aronoffs@hotmail.com> wrote: E : I need to be able to access the vax vms keyboard directly so that I B : can capture key presses as they occur, including the arrow keys.  J Why does VMS make it so hard?  If they fixed ioctl() this would be as easy on VMS as it is on Unix.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:35:33 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 4 Subject: Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly?/ Message-ID: <us3fi5mo31d363@corp.supernews.com>   ! stu <aronoffs@hotmail.com> wrote: E : I need to be able to access the vax vms keyboard directly so that I B : can capture key presses as they occur, including the arrow keys.  ) Yes, but you'll need to use $QIO or SMG$.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:39:23 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly?0 Message-ID: <00A1649D.AE9C438B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <us3fjsdd4him88@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: " >stu <aronoffs@hotmail.com> wrote:F >: I need to be able to access the vax vms keyboard directly so that IC >: can capture key presses as they occur, including the arrow keys.  > K >Why does VMS make it so hard?  If they fixed ioctl() this would be as easy  >on VMS as it is on Unix.   & What's *hard* about doing it on VMS?    L Why does unix make it so hard?  I'd think it is more difficult to do on unix# but then I'm not a unix programmer.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 04:00:50 GMT # From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net> 4 Subject: Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly?- Message-ID: <3DC1FC6F.70DCF530@earthlink.net>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > U > In article <us3fjsdd4him88@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: $ > >stu <aronoffs@hotmail.com> wrote:H > >: I need to be able to access the vax vms keyboard directly so that IE > >: can capture key presses as they occur, including the arrow keys.  > > M > >Why does VMS make it so hard?  If they fixed ioctl() this would be as easy  > >on VMS as it is on Unix.  > & > What's *hard* about doing it on VMS? > N > Why does unix make it so hard?  I'd think it is more difficult to do on unix% > but then I'm not a unix programmer.   L Hear Hear! I do both but $QIO & ASTs/event flags are easy. select, poll, and0 the like send me back to the manuals every time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 03:59:56 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 4 Subject: Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly?/ Message-ID: <us3v1s5m5tue92@corp.supernews.com>   ! VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: U : In article <us3fjsdd4him88@corp.supernews.com>, Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> writes: # :>stu <aronoffs@hotmail.com> wrote: G :>: I need to be able to access the vax vms keyboard directly so that I D :>: can capture key presses as they occur, including the arrow keys. :>L :>Why does VMS make it so hard?  If they fixed ioctl() this would be as easy :>on VMS as it is on Unix.  ( : What's *hard* about doing it on VMS?    N : Why does unix make it so hard?  I'd think it is more difficult to do on unix% : but then I'm not a unix programmer.   D On Unix you set the tt control with ioctl() and then call getchar().   That's hard?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:32:54 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 4 Subject: Re: can vms C access the keyboard directly?+ Message-ID: <3DC211FA.3258469@videotron.ca>    Z wrote:F > On Unix you set the tt control with ioctl() and then call getchar().    K How does getchar handle PF keys that generate multiple characters on UNIX ? N Does it feed it to to your application one at a time as if they had been typedM separately (forcing our app to have the logic to reconstitute multi-character I escape sequences), or does it provide some method to get you a PFKEY as a  single entity ?   L On VMS, the $QIO service and terminal drivers do have the ability to processL escape sequences as a single IO and you are told how long the terminator is.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:51:08 -0500 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>% Subject: Re: CHARON-ALPHA - soon ???? - Message-ID: <3DC1435C.8310.E0E0BAA@localhost>   8 On 31 Oct 2002 at 15:09, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:F > I'm not interested in replacing actual chips but I'd love to have an? > Alpha on my lap in the form of a laptop emulation if need be.   C I asked about that some time back.  I was told it is possible, but   performance would be terrible.  E You have to remember that CHARON-VAX is a success because of Moore's  @ Law -- anyone can afford a computer that blows the doors off of C almost any VAX.  Let's postpone this discussion for, say, 7 years,  E and you'll probably see an Alpha emulator running on your new 40 GHz   laptop.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:22:18 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> % Subject: Re: CHARON-ALPHA - soon ???? ( Message-ID: <3DC1BB2A.9010503@rdrop.com>   Stanley F. Quayle wrote:: > On 31 Oct 2002 at 15:09, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > F >>I'm not interested in replacing actual chips but I'd love to have an? >>Alpha on my lap in the form of a laptop emulation if need be.  > E > I asked about that some time back.  I was told it is possible, but    > performance would be terrible.   Compared to... ???  E New laptops are in the 1.5-2.0 GHz range.  Suppose that CHARON-Alpha  E on a 1.5GHz laptop ran at an emulated, oh, say, 400MHz.  Considering  = it's a laptop, one could reasonably assume it's either being  A implemented as a rather small server or a workstation- I'd think, 9 unless you're working it hard, that would be fast enough.   < Even on a rack-mounted 4P server- the question isn't *just* E performance- it's price/performance- and include h/w maintenance and  9 availability in that price figure.  For small shops, the  1 cost/performance ratio could be quite attractive.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:47:30 -0500 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>% Subject: Re: CHARON-ALPHA - soon ???? - Message-ID: <3DC188D2.6673.F1D5F77@localhost>   - On 31 Oct 2002 at 15:22, Dean Woodward wrote: G > New laptops are in the 1.5-2.0 GHz range.  Suppose that CHARON-Alpha  G > on a 1.5GHz laptop ran at an emulated, oh, say, 400MHz.  Considering  ? > it's a laptop, one could reasonably assume it's either being  C > implemented as a rather small server or a workstation- I'd think, ; > unless you're working it hard, that would be fast enough.  > > > Even on a rack-mounted 4P server- the question isn't *just* G > performance- it's price/performance- and include h/w maintenance and  ; > availability in that price figure.  For small shops, the  3 > cost/performance ratio could be quite attractive.   D What about the 466 MHz DS10L Alphas that Island Computers sells for - less than $1000?  That's price/performance...   B Also, there's the issue of the cost of the CHARON-ALPHA license.  D We're not just giving these away.  Most of the time, the CHARON-VAX F license price is more than justified just on the hardware maintenance B cost.  Sites are paying thousands *per month* to keep their VAXen @ going.  That gives a payback of a few of years for migration to  CHARON-VAX.   F Another factor is that some VAX people are not using VMS, but VAXELN. D They're really locked in.  Their custom Qbus cards are supported by E CHARON-VAX.  Alpha systems use PCI devices and are running VMS.  (If  E you're running Tru64UNIX, HP has a migration path already picked out  	 for you.)   > And if you really want an Alpha laptop, Tadpole still has one D Alphabook in stock, last I checked.  But $10,000 is a little pricey C for me.  I just use my Winlap and wireless modem to telnet into an   Alpha.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:34:33 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: CHARON-ALPHA - soon ???? 0 Message-ID: <00A1649D.01F4C0AA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  P In article <3DC1BB2A.9010503@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes: >Stanley F. Quayle wrote: ; >> On 31 Oct 2002 at 15:09, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >>  G >>>I'm not interested in replacing actual chips but I'd love to have an @ >>>Alpha on my lap in the form of a laptop emulation if need be. >>  F >> I asked about that some time back.  I was told it is possible, but ! >> performance would be terrible.  >  >Compared to... ???  > F >New laptops are in the 1.5-2.0 GHz range.  Suppose that CHARON-Alpha F >on a 1.5GHz laptop ran at an emulated, oh, say, 400MHz.  Considering > >it's a laptop, one could reasonably assume it's either being B >implemented as a rather small server or a workstation- I'd think,: >unless you're working it hard, that would be fast enough.  H As long as I can dabble in the kernel, I'd be happy with the performance" equivalent of an AlphaStation 200.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:26:57 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>" Subject: Re: decwindows resolution0 Message-ID: <3DC183E5.AF01ABEF@blueyonder.co.uk>  7 FWIW I have had good mileage out of using SCO X-vision   to access VMS in the past.     --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 03:18:34 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> " Subject: Re: decwindows resolution: Message-ID: <eomw9.2837$6g.852836@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Shane Smith wrote:B > I'm happily using eXcursion, it handles my LK450 series keyboardI > properly. Only problem is every once in a while it loses the right hand H > pixels of a letter or two. It does handle DECterm character renditionsI > properly though, something I've seen Exceed mess up royally a couple of  > years ago.  F You really need to test any mission critical applications an a sample 	 x-server.   A I have not done comparisons in a while, but the last time I did,  G Pathworks32 including eXcursion and Powerterm was the lowest cost X-11   server.   H It also was the only one that correctly displayed the application where 3 it was told to on a keyboard and mouseless display.   G I had to display two windows, one had to the bottom half of the window  ( below the physical bottom of the screen.  F The other X-11 servers would not allow a window to be positioned that / way, and moved it up to cover the other window.   G Disclaimer: I now work for the vendor of Pathworks32, even though I am  " not affiliated with that division.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:15:10 -0600 * From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com>0 Subject: Re: Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP?9 Message-ID: <3dc1651f$0$17648$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net>   F And for those who might be interested in this, how about creating DCPSH queues from VMS Management Station, with all the parameters, etc.  Don't think you can do that now.   -- Dave...   G It is noble to teach oneself, but still nobler to teach others-and less  trouble. -----Mark Twain   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3DC041FC.D97936A8@videotron.ca... > John Vottero wrote: J > > prefer to let the queue manager database be the "gold standard" then I run a J > > command procedure that uses f$getqui to examine the queue database and build - > > a command procedure that can recreate it.  > 
 > Fair point.  > I > On the other hand, you'll have 2 separate configuration places for your  queue.H > The actual VMS queue definitions with all its attributes, and the DCPSG > specific definitions that cannmot be stored in VMS queue information.  (perhapsJ > that could be an improvement to the VMS queue manager, adding a few moreJ > fields so that all of DCPS's config about a queue could be stored in the queue 
 > itself ?   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2002 23:55:14 GMT- From: WADE@DAX.ASUB.ARKNET.EDU (Wade Fincher) $ Subject: FTP with SSL for VMS/Alpha?5 Message-ID: <slrnas2p96.38v.WADE@DAX.ASUB.ARKNET.EDU>   H Does anyone know of such a beast?  Ckermit 8 has it for unix and windows but not vms.   --      F  ___ ___   _______   ______     _______     __________________________G |   Y   | |   _   | |   _  \   |   _   |   /      Wade Fincher        \ H |.  |   | |.  l   | |.  |   \  |.  l___|  | wade@sisko.asub.arknet.edu |H |. / \  | |.  _   | |.  |    \ |.  __)_   | Director of Computer Serv. |H |:      | |:  |   | |:  l    / |:  l   |  | Arkansas State University  |H |::.|:. | |::.|:. | |::.. . /  |::.. . |  |       Beebe Branch         |G `---^---' `---^---' `------'   `-------'   \__________________________/   9        Any opinions expressed above are simply the result ;      of random bit changes caused by cosmic rays and should :       not be considered a sign of any form of intelligence   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:37:30 GMT>$ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU( Subject: Re: FTP with SSL for VMS/Alpha?8 Message-ID: <00A16484.44D3F346@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  e In article <slrnas2p96.38v.WADE@DAX.ASUB.ARKNET.EDU>, WADE@DAX.ASUB.ARKNET.EDU (Wade Fincher) writes:   I >Does anyone know of such a beast?  Ckermit 8 has it for unix and windowst
 >but not vms.m  L Frank da Cruz asked here for volunteers to port that stuff for Ckermit, and 1 nobody stepped up.  So this could be your chance!s  D If you'd rather spend money than effort, Multinet (and maybe TCPwareP - don't use it), supports SCP.  I thought I remembered SFTP support in 4.4, but N the data sheet at http://www.process.com/tcpip/multinetds.html doesn't mentionG it (except to say that SCP does some of the same stuff).  (Oh, and thisaN capability is included in the SSH for VMS package they sell, which runs on top of TCP/IP Services.)  L STUNNEL, which is supposed to allow the encrypted tunneling of many kinds ofL protocols through SSL, comes with VMS 7.3-1.  I don't know if that'll do you	 any good.a   -- Alan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:34:03 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Sitee5 Message-ID: <iQdw9.662$SG2.56558@weber.videotron.net>n   I didn't answer the survey.rH I replied to the email saying that I will complete the survey as soon as" OpenVMS is listed as a "platform"., That has worked before with other companies. Let`s see what HP does.e   Syltreme    J "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> a crit dans le message de news:( hmZ9eYvF2W+o@eisner.encompasserve.org...? > In article <d45fc237.0210301148.7fe76e43@posting.google.com>,e. ed.stuart@austinenergy.com (Ed Stuart) writes:J > > While c.o.v is a good place to exchange ideas, thoughts, questions andJ > > solutions it may not be the best place to get a response from HP.  TheF > > HP Advocacy site at http://www.hpuseradvocacy.org/ allows folks to' > > submit issues for HP to respond to.r >o= >    Yeah, right, those guys really have there acts together.j >z@ >    Just today they asked me to respond to a poll on enterprize@ >    applications.  Guess which OS I had to enter under "other"! >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:46:18 +0100o9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>i Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Siteh' Message-ID: <3DC16C6A.E18F71B5@aaa.com>   < Note that there is a specific email address to send "issues" about the survey to :m   admin@hpuseradvocacy.org   Jan-Erik Sderholm.n   Syltrem wrote: >  > I didn't answer the survey.rJ > I replied to the email saying that I will complete the survey as soon as$ > OpenVMS is listed as a "platform".. > That has worked before with other companies. > Let`s see what HP does.  > 	 > Syltremn   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:55:12 GMTP# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e Subject: Re: HP advocacy surveymI Message-ID: <48ew9.145952$%h2.89009@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A1645F.7373FD16@SendSpamHere.ORG... >.E > >Tru64 is there, so it's been designed post-merger. Notice anythingt > >missing?  > H > Nope.  The plan was, from the get-go. to kill off VMS.  Annihilate the onlyI > viable platform upon which it runs -- namely Alpha -- and then announcei in-eK > tentions to port it to a platform that looks everyday like it will go they$ > way of the dodo -- namely Itanium.    J The last time I can recall that I was sure that the company that owned VMSL wanted customers to purchase systems running VMS was when Ken Olsen declared6 unix to be like 'snake oil', and that was when...1988?  K If you have not seen the following site, I highly recommend reading throughr it:g  L http://www.cwheroes.org/oral_history_archive/gordon_bell/index.asp#Ken%20Ols en%20transitiond   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:24:09 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: HP advocacy survey00 Message-ID: <00A16471.A4F1C1D3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <48ew9.145952$%h2.89009@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:d >s- ><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in messageb+ >news:00A1645F.7373FD16@SendSpamHere.ORG...t >>F >> >Tru64 is there, so it's been designed post-merger. Notice anything >> >missing? >>I >> Nope.  The plan was, from the get-go. to kill off VMS.  Annihilate thei >onlyeJ >> viable platform upon which it runs -- namely Alpha -- and then announce >in-L >> tentions to port it to a platform that looks everyday like it will go the% >> way of the dodo -- namely Itanium.C >g >rK >The last time I can recall that I was sure that the company that owned VMSiM >wanted customers to purchase systems running VMS was when Ken Olsen declarede7 >unix to be like 'snake oil', and that was when...1988?t > L >If you have not seen the following site, I highly recommend reading through >it: >lM >http://www.cwheroes.org/oral_history_archive/gordon_bell/index.asp#Ken%20Olst >en%20transition >l >s  J I'm sure they don't want to sell anything.  I went to the URL listed and IJ clicked on a few of the question answer buttons and then I clicked on the @ [Continue>>>] button.  The page refreshed with a warning in red:  9               Please fill out the required information ase6               indicated below and re-submit this page.  :                   Email Address was not completed properly    E Problem here?  You bet!  There is no form field for an email address.e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMy            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:57:29 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e Subject: Re: HP advocacy surveyr' Message-ID: <3DC18B29.5C9DF68E@aaa.com>n  < And why is there a [Continue>>>] button when the page at the> same time says "page 1 of 1". Maybe there's a "page 2 of 1"...  A (Well, it says "page 1/1", but I'm sure this is what it means...)   4 Seems a bit of bad design in not just one way, IMHO.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:15:53 -0500d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>.( Subject: Re: HP User Advocacy ADE survey, Message-ID: <3DC18F77.917B1E93@videotron.ca>   "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote: I > I know - we shouldn't *have* to light a fire under these folks - that'stQ > supposed to be their job.  Perhaps we can shame them into performing their job.   N Sure, they will add VMS to the site after a number of complaints. But the harmJ has been done. They have shown that left to their own devices, they do not think  about including VMS.n   One more reason to have  VMS user group that is somewhat independant of Interex/DECUS/Emcompass/HPadvocacy/CANACU/whatever_the_name_is_this_week_where_you_live.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:21:02 -0600 * From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com>( Subject: Re: HP User Advocacy ADE survey9 Message-ID: <3dc190b0$0$17654$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net>   L Here's what I did.  I sent an e-mail to Scott Stallard letting him know thatK VMS was AWOL from the platform list on the survey.  I usually get an answer I from him (have all other times) so I expect the same now.  Let's see whati happens.   -- Dave...o  G It is noble to teach oneself, but still nobler to teach others-and lesss trouble. -----Mark Twain.  D "Bradford J. Hamilton" <sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm> wrote in message news:j+BqpC4ivska@rabbit...a > Hello all, >  > May I make a suggestion here?o >nJ > I have gone to the website, logged in, and submitted an "issue" with theL > advocacy organization, expressing my disappointment at not finding a "VMS"7 > option, and requesting that they fix this issue ASAP.  >pE > I suspect there are a number of you out there who are Encompasserve-	 members --L > some of you may have a vested interest in seeing VMS remain visible within theoJ > HP "Advocacy" organization; if so, I suggest that you go to the website, andc > make your feelings known.o >lI > I know - we shouldn't *have* to light a fire under these folks - that'shL > supposed to be their job.  Perhaps we can shame them into performing their job. >  > :-)o >s5 > In article <nZykFr5uoyjT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: C > > In article <j9bw9.505$SG2.33407@weber.videotron.net>, "Syltrem"t" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes: > >> Hello all!n' > >> Have you received the email below?. > >>< > >> It's a shame OpenVMS is not listed under this question: > >>F > >> For which platform(s) are you developing enterprise applications? > >>        NonStop Kernel > >>         HP-UX > >>         Tru64 UNIX  > >>         Windows > >>         Linux% > >>         Other (please elaborate)  > >> > >> > >> HP are your listening?o > >s+ > >    Not to us.  Sue's been off too long.e > >n > -- > Bradford J. Hamilton' > braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom (home)f' > sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm (work)  >.= > "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"s > "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 03:45:26 GMTd# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>v( Subject: Re: HP User Advocacy ADE surveyJ Message-ID: <qNmw9.150603$%h2.111889@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com> wrote in messagex3 news:3dc190b0$0$17654$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net...-I > Here's what I did.  I sent an e-mail to Scott Stallard letting him know. thatF > VMS was AWOL from the platform list on the survey.  I usually get an answerK > from him (have all other times) so I expect the same now.  Let's see whatm
 > happens.  / This isn't an HP owned and operated site is it?l: How much, if any, of their funding comes from HP directly?  L Perhaps in this case the blame for the omission of OpenVMS is not HP's fault> directly, but rather just indirectly. If VMS were marketed, noJ self-respecting webmaster or organization would ever simply 'forget' about it when creating a survey.  L Unless of course there is a subliminal message here that HP wants us to see.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:35:51 -0500)2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>% Subject: Re: Immutable laws of the PC . Message-ID: <3DC169F7.BDBE0DFE@mindspring.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Bob Koehler wrote:\ > > In article <3DC12D17.8010708@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > >  > >> > >>Bob Koehler wrote:1 > >>Nope but most systems have to maintain state.t > >t > > " > >    Oh god, then don't use NFS! > >i >  > Umm, why ? >p( > Explain in one paragraph why NFS isn't" > a sensible way of storing state.  ' Andrew, I believe that was a joke aboute! NFS being a "stateless" protocol.1   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:57:03 +0000u' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy % Subject: Re: Immutable laws of the PC . Message-ID: <3DC160DF.4040802@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:Z > In article <3DC12D17.8010708@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >  >> >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>[ >>>In article <3DBFFC71.8090901@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:x >>>  >>> , >>>>I know its bad form to followup ones own% >>>>posts but the lack of a supportedI2 >>>>release of Oracle for HP-UX/IA64 puts the seal1 >>>>on any discussions about the validity of HP'sd1 >>>>claims to have sucessfully migrated customers  >>>v  >>>>from HP-UX/PA to HP-UX/IA64. >>> H >>>   Yeah, right.  We all know there isn't a customer on the planet who6 >>>   can use a computer without loading Oracle on it. >>>p% >>>   Get just a little bit real, OK?t >>>d >>/ >>Nope but most systems have to maintain state.  >  >   >    Oh god, then don't use NFS! >   
 Umm, why ?  & Explain in one paragraph why NFS isn't  a sensible way of storing state.   > + >>At least on UNIX and we are talking aboutv, >>HP-UX migrations this is generally done in	 >>a DBMS.( >  > : >    Not if the application doesn't use one to begin with. >   / Of course, but then as you know most commerciale apps do.  % >  Sybase isn't available for Itaniumt > * >>Oracle isn't supported so the claim that/ >>HP have piloted significant customer projects.- >>through the PA->Itanium migration is prettye >>unbelievable.A >  > 8 >    Only to your narrow view of what an application is. >  > . >>Now they could have swapped some web servers, >>out or apps servers for IA-64 based boxes,* >>but until they do the entire HP-UX stack* >>including the data then claiming to have! >>migrations down to a tee is BS.r >  > F >    They claimed to have migrated some customers.  There is no reasonF >    to believe they haven't.  They didn't claim to have all aps readyC >    for all customers.  Heck, they don't even have an OS with real  >    clustering yet! >    Or a database or apps.  0 Perhaps their idea of migrating is booting HP-UX/ on the new boxes and setting their IP addressesa- and hostnames to be the same as the ones theya0 were replacing. There seems precious little else that they could have done.   regardso Andrew Harrisono   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2002 15:56:36 -0800  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser)5 Subject: import/export between oracle 8.1.7 and 8.0.3p< Message-ID: <2178d61f.0210311556.5b90da0@posting.google.com>   Hi oracle users0  C i don't know if it is the right place to post but as my systems are  running alpha VMSE i will try it.) i have the following system configuration     / node 1 and node 2 are connected via TCPIP (wan)   E sqlnet are configured on both sides, tnsnames.ora match in both nodesc% so connection via sqlplus is possibler    @ +--------------+                                +--------------+@ !    node1     !                                !   node2      !@ ! vms 7.3      !                                !  vms 7.2-1   !@ ! oracle SRV   !                                ! oracle SRV   !@ !   8.1.7      !                                !   8.0.3      !@ +--------------+                                +--------------+  9 catexp.sql and catexp7 were run both at node 1 and node 2   , i want to transfer Data from node1 to node 2  F 1) i run on node 1 the export utility to create a dump file expdat.dmp8    i transfer this file via ftp in binary mode to node 2,    at node 2 i run import to import the file  NODE2> imp <username>/<password>  ? Import: Release 8.0.3.2.0 - Production on Fri Nov 1 0:8:40 2002a  < (c) Copyright 1997 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.    < Connected to: Oracle8 Enterprise Edition Release 8.0.3.2.0 -
 Production) With the Partitioning and Objects optionso% PL/SQL Release 8.0.3.2.0 - Productions  5 Import file: DISK$ORACLE:[000000.IMPORTS]EXPDAT.DMP >.1 Enter insert buffer size (minimum is 4096) 30720>o> IMP-00010: not a valid export file, header failed verification? IMP-00021: operating system error - error code (dec 2, hex 0x2) + IMP-00000: Import terminated unsuccessfullya  < 2) on node 2 i run the export utility against 8.1.7 (node 1)  6 NODE2> exp <username>/<password>@<db_name>.<db_domain>  @ Export: Release 8.0.3.2.0 - Production on Fri Nov 1 0:31:49 2002  < (c) Copyright 1997 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.  ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtuali: address=77774500000000E0, PC=0000000000668F40, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows C   image    module    routine             line      rel PC          i abs PC'  ORACLIENT64_V803  NTTUTIL  nttbnd2addr,>                                         84536 0000000000000AF0 0000000000668F40>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NTAC  ntacbnd2addr   80395 0000000000000384 000000000056FAC4>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NSC2  nsc2addr       91273 0000000000000AA8 00000000005CF5B8>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NSCALL  nscall1      91477 0000000000000D88 00000000005D0468>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NSCALL  nscall       91254 000000000000059C 00000000005CFC7C>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NRICALL  nricdt      92178 0000000000001554 00000000005C02A4>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NRICALL  nricall     91909 0000000000000CC8 00000000005BFA18>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NIO  niotns         100006 0000000000005E24 000000000059D284>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NIG  nigcall         95089 0000000000000054 0000000000596954>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NIGCON  osncon       96370 0000000000000CEC 000000000057897C>  ORACLIENT64_V803  UPIPRV  upiini      194027 0000000000000FCC 00000000004A351C>  ORACLIENT64_V803  UPICDC  upiah0      169170 00000000000000C8 00000000004A3CA8>  ORACLIENT64_V803  UPICDC  upiahm      169222 0000000000000154 00000000004A3D34>  ORACLIENT64_V803  KPU  kpuatch        268352 0000000000000848 00000000004795D8(  ORACLIENT64_V803  OCI8  OCIServerAttach>                                        162404 0000000000000194 0000000000493384>  EXP  EXULON  exulon                   259471 0000000000000684 00000000000C5584>  EXP  EXUDRV  main                     259952 00000000000007E8 00000000000B07E8>  EXP  EXUDRV  __main                        0 000000000000006C 00000000000B006C>  PTHREAD$RTL                                0 0000000000030E7C 000000007BC04E7C>  PTHREAD$RTL                                0 0000000000012B48 000000007BBE6B48>                                             0 FFFFFFFF84CBD3D4 FFFFFFFF84CBD3D4  ) 3) i try the same with the import utility-  6 NODE2> imp <username>/<password>@<db_name>.<db_domain>  ? Import: Release 8.0.3.2.0 - Production on Fri Nov 1 0:32:3 2002   < (c) Copyright 1997 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.  ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualu: address=77774500000000E0, PC=0000000000648F40, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followsrC   image    module    routine             line      rel PC          u abs PC'  ORACLIENT64_V803  NTTUTIL  nttbnd2addrs>                                         84536 0000000000000AF0 0000000000648F40>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NTAC  ntacbnd2addr   80395 0000000000000384 000000000054FAC4>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NSC2  nsc2addr       91273 0000000000000AA8 00000000005AF5B8>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NSCALL  nscall1      91477 0000000000000D88 00000000005B0468>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NSCALL  nscall       91254 000000000000059C 00000000005AFC7C>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NRICALL  nricdt      92178 0000000000001554 00000000005A02A4>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NRICALL  nricall     91909 0000000000000CC8 000000000059FA18>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NIO  niotns         100006 0000000000005E24 000000000057D284>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NIG  nigcall         95089 0000000000000054 0000000000576954>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NIGCON  osncon       96370 0000000000000CEC 000000000055897C>  ORACLIENT64_V803  UPIPRV  upiini      194027 0000000000000FCC 000000000048351C>  ORACLIENT64_V803  UPICDC  upiah0      169170 00000000000000C8 0000000000483CA8>  ORACLIENT64_V803  UPICDC  upiahm      169222 0000000000000154 0000000000483D34>  ORACLIENT64_V803  KPU  kpuatch        268352 0000000000000848 00000000004595D8(  ORACLIENT64_V803  OCI8  OCIServerAttach>                                        162404 0000000000000194 0000000000473384>  IMP  IMPLON  implon                   177779 0000000000000664 00000000000B2974>  IMP  IMPDRV  main                     178285 000000000000075C 00000000000A075C>  IMP  IMPDRV  __main                        0 000000000000006C 00000000000A006C>  PTHREAD$RTL                                0 0000000000030E7C 000000007BC04E7C>  PTHREAD$RTL                                0 0000000000012B48 000000007BBE6B48>                                             0 FFFFFFFF84CBD3D4 FFFFFFFF84CBD3D4    4) on node 1 i try the following  6 NODE1> exp <username>/<password>@<db_name>.<db_domain>  A Export: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Fri Nov 1 00:07:12 2002   < (c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.  ' EXP-00008: ORACLE error 942 encountered ' ORA-00942: table or view does not existn= EXP-00024: Export views not installed, please notify your DBAr+ EXP-00000: Export terminated unsuccessfullyt    9 5) NODE1> imp <username>/<password>@<db_name>.<db_domain>     A Import: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Fri Nov 1 00:02:16 2002-  < (c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.    ' IMP-00003: ORACLE error 942 encountered:' ORA-00942: table or view does not exist = IMP-00023: Import views not installed, please notify your DBAd+ IMP-00000: Import terminated unsuccessfullys    ( can someone tell me what's going wrong ?  any help is greatly appreciated.   reguards   Nazim Manser   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:05:30 +0000:' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyn> Subject: Re: Itanic ordered to halt by court. Iceberge free.... Message-ID: <3DC162DA.6070801@nospamn.sun.com>   Keith A. Lewis wrote:x~ > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes in article <877kfy6fds.fsf@prep.synonet.com> dated 31 Oct 2002 19:01:51 +0800: > > >>If you drop over to theinquirer, you will see the details of> >>Intergraph being granted an injunction against Intel. 30 day% >>period for Intel to pony up though.. >  > N > Production is not and will not be halted.  Intel and Intergraph already haveM > a patent license contract in place.  Under the terms of that contract, this M > ruling simply changes the price of the license from $0 to $150,000,000.  IfwF > Intel loses the appeal as well, the price goes up to $250,000,000.   > K > They'll have to sell a lot of chips to cover that fee.  Does anybody knowl< > how much they paid for the Alpha, for comparison purposes? >   8 Interesting a new CPU though obviously not Itanium would: be expected to cost this money to develop. Some a bit more
 some less.  = Mind you if you have allready sunk 5 billion into the project / then whats another 250 million amongst friends.    Regardst Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2002 15:38:07 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)> Subject: Re: Itanic ordered to halt by court. Iceberge free...< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210311538.6a2fe8c@posting.google.com>   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3DC162DA.6070801@nospamn.sun.com>...t > Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes in article <877kfy6fds.fsf@prep.synonet.com> dated 31 Oct 2002 19:01:51 +0800: > > @ > >>If you drop over to theinquirer, you will see the details of@ > >>Intergraph being granted an injunction against Intel. 30 day' > >>period for Intel to pony up though., > >  > > P > > Production is not and will not be halted.  Intel and Intergraph already haveO > > a patent license contract in place.  Under the terms of that contract, this O > > ruling simply changes the price of the license from $0 to $150,000,000.  If-H > > Intel loses the appeal as well, the price goes up to $250,000,000.   > > M > > They'll have to sell a lot of chips to cover that fee.  Does anybody know3> > > how much they paid for the Alpha, for comparison purposes? > >  > : > Interesting a new CPU though obviously not Itanium would< > be expected to cost this money to develop. Some a bit more > some less. > ? > Mind you if you have allready sunk 5 billion into the projects1 > then whats another 250 million amongst friends.  > 	 > Regardsr > Andrew Harrison   8 for 400 million they could have had ev8 which would have4 blown away everything else around ... just as bad as7 everyone thinking linux is saving them money when a vms 4 solution would be saving them even more money in the& long run ... it's called stupidity ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 03:46:46 GMT6# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>5> Subject: Re: Itanic ordered to halt by court. Iceberge free...H Message-ID: <GOmw9.150616$%h2.6265@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 6 news:d7791aa1.0210311538.6a2fe8c@posting.google.com... > : > for 400 million they could have had ev8 which would have6 > blown away everything else around ... just as bad as9 > everyone thinking linux is saving them money when a vmsl6 > solution would be saving them even more money in the( > long run ... it's called stupidity ...  G And that's why the executives get paid the big bucks. You can't be thati( stupid unless you get paid $117 million.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:35:01 -0500o. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>% Subject: Migrating Linux files to VMSe. Message-ID: <3DC185E5.6C6A6EDA@pressenter.com>  A I have a linux machine that I've been archiving files since 1997.k  5 A disk drive is now dying. Luckily not a data drive.    ; Anyway, I'm thinking of moving the operation to a VMS box.    ? I have thousands of files spread over dozens of subdirectories.c  H What I want to be able to do is retain the date/time stamps of the files as I move them to the VMS box. o  
 Any thoughts?t   Thanks in advance,   Lyndon   -- -G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer..    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:05:49 -0800S# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>5) Subject: RE: Migrating Linux files to VMSM9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEAJGAAA.tom@kednos.com>s   bash and tar   >-----Original Message-----t6 >From: Lyndon Bartels [mailto:lbartels@pressenter.com]) >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:35 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >Subject: Migrating Linux files to VMS >u > B >I have a linux machine that I've been archiving files since 1997. >d6 >A disk drive is now dying. Luckily not a data drive.  >t< >Anyway, I'm thinking of moving the operation to a VMS box.  >t@ >I have thousands of files spread over dozens of subdirectories. >sI >What I want to be able to do is retain the date/time stamps of the filese  >as I move them to the VMS box.  >  >Any thoughts? >n >Thanks in advance,f >e >Lyndone >A >-- H >My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my
 >employer. >a >pI >The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don'ta >have  >to look at the horse's butt.  >R >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.p; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002 >u ---I& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:53:32 -0600i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e) Subject: Re: Migrating Linux files to VMS-' Message-ID: <3DC1DE9C.CE0524B3@fsi.net>-   Lyndon Bartels wrote:l > C > I have a linux machine that I've been archiving files since 1997.t > 6 > A disk drive is now dying. Luckily not a data drive. > < > Anyway, I'm thinking of moving the operation to a VMS box. > A > I have thousands of files spread over dozens of subdirectories.e > J > What I want to be able to do is retain the date/time stamps of the files  > as I move them to the VMS box. >  > Any thoughts?c  @ I'd ZIP 'em. ZIP is pretty good about preserving file dates when% transferring files in that direction.n   -- p David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:40:13 -0500s' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>e" Subject: Re: NCDware for OpenVMS ?, Message-ID: <aprpts$er5$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>  L Sorry, I am so late in responding to this topic, but I was on vacation for aH week and am trying to catch up.  There is a copy of NCDware V4.1.141 VMSK Full Assy in my office, so it does exist.  The package contains software tonI aid in setting up the boot files for the X-terminals that runs on VMS.  I F have ran into problems with license key processing (you have to have aI license to use NCDnet, their flavor of DECnet) when I have modified filesoI and ncp outside of the NCD configuration program.  Another system managersK was able to install V5.0.129 on a system here with support from NCD several I years ago.  I do not know what steps he went through to get it working onb VMS.  
 Dale A. Marcyc  : "Rich Alderson" <alderson+news@panix.com> wrote in message( news:mddadl6738t.fsf@panix5.panix.com...2 > peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: >e7 > > In article <3DB4607F.EF42582@uiowa.edu>, Rick DysonL <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> > > writes:u >d > >> Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:- >-I > >>> Does anyone know which version of NCDware was the latest/newest forh > >>> OpenVMS? >tI > > I got a mail from NCD which states NCDware V4.1.141 as the latest for3 the8H > > OpenVMS platform, while V5.1.140 is the current version (without VMS support) > J > I'm still not sure what it means for NCDware to support OpenVMS.  Like I saidK > in my other response, I've got *TOPS-20* systems supporting Exploras, andr NCDr& > certainly never "supported" Tops-20! >iA > So what is it that you are looking for that 5.1.140 doesn't do?o >eG > >>> I have NCDware V3.3.2 but this version seems older (1994) than myr recentlyL > >>> acquired NCD ExploraPro(XQ) (or NCD Xplora or NCD Explorapro - I don'tL > >>> understand why this thing has three different names written on it) and so? > >>> it seems that it doesn't support my 'new' X11-terminal...t >sC > >> Is this different than NCBridge?  The software on a server foro
 NCD/TektronixaI > >> X Terminals?  I believe there is a v4.x of NCBridge.  Note, NCBridgee, > >> replaced the old Tektronix eXpressWare. >nD > > I don't know neither NCBridge nor eXpressWare but thanks anyway.  > > Did/do they run on OpenVMS ? >tF > If you have Exploras, it doesn't matter whether NCBridge runs on any platformF > you have, since it is the software for an entirely different line of Xterms,-B > the NC900 family, which NCD bought from Tektronix and rebranded.	 DifferentzI > hardware, different processor family, different everything (and I don't3 like  > them or their software a bit). > I > > So, to rephrase: Does anyone know how to obtain NCDware V4.1.141 (for  free) ?o >MH > Last 4.1.nnn I'm aware of was 4.1.129 or so; the edit numbers increase monoton-H > ically, like DEC's did.  But it wouldn't surprise me if someone at NCD told youK > otherwise--NCD even bought Tek's tech support, who know (next to) nothingo aboutr > the NCD product line.4 >. > -- > Rich Alderson. alderson+news@panix.com F >   "You get what anybody gets.  You get a lifetime."  --Death, of the Endless    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:44:44 -0500d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e  Subject: OPCOM/console questions, Message-ID: <3DC214BF.FB78FED5@videotron.ca>  K Is it possible to send an OPCOM message that gets sent to all consoles thatlB are enabled for that opcom class but which doesn't get logged into operator.log ?  L For instance, if you have a syslog server (whcih logs its own transactions),M it is pointless to also have the opcom messages also sent to the operator.log  (cluttering it up).e   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2002 14:12:42 -0800% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips).. Subject: Re: Pathworks v6 (AS) & Win2000 (SBS)= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0210311412.5e936927@posting.google.com>N  l "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> wrote in message news:<us29gt7d56st60@corp.supernews.com>...4 > "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> wrote in message9 > news:af0dc2ea.0210300605.2ebad343@posting.google.com... E > > Thank you for the reply. I'll try to find a 7.3 kit a give that a| > >a
 > > <snip> > >n9 > >it looks like it doesn't really get along with anothert0 > > DC in its domain though it let us add one. I > G > With Windows 2000, you must add the trust (both parts of it) from the I > Windows 2000 box.  In other words, you can't use ADMIN.  Seeing as this`K > Win2K box is remote, I wonder if you are in fact adding both sides of thev > trust from the Win 2K box. > N > The other thought is, you might want to work with CSC on this, those guys in! > Alphareta are really top notch.  >    Brad,-  E This is a Win2K Small Business Server that doesn't allow trusts. I'veSF read more about it now and it is supposed to allow any number of otherF servers of any type to live in it's Domain, so that isn't the problem.  F I'm trying to do whatever I can to get this working and eventually go D there and do a proper system update. I'm sorry I didn't post enough B quoted content with my last post, but here's the deal again, along with some updates:    OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 '       Pathworks License: PWLMXXXCA07.02   Currently installed is:0    Pathworks for OpenVMS (Advanced Server) V6.0B  9 The site is 600 miles away, this is not in a cluster, theS: users are unable to connect to the pathworks shares except; by using the administrator name and password. Comparing thea= two event logs I've determined that the W2K thinks it's doingi9 a successful replication, but the Alpha is reporting thath= the synch failed. It's doing this about every 3 to 4 seconds.d  ? A person at that site who only knows MicroSoft things talked tog@ CSC and was told to install Advanced Server V7.3A and that would< take care of everything. This person at CSC also told him he? would NOT need a licenses to do this. I have contacted that CSCd@ person's voice-mail and will provide them with valid information if they ever return my call.  ; So, until we iron out that license issue, I've "borrowed" an= PWLMXXXCA07.03 PAK from another site so I can get them up to  4 PW 6.1 now and hope that at least solves this issue.  ? They won't let me bring down the network again until next week,kA however, so if any of this sounds familiar to anyone and there's F? some setting or tweaking I can do now from 600 miles away, I'd 4 appreciate hearing about it.    DL Phillips   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:40:29 -0500a. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> Subject: Remote Console access. Message-ID: <3DC1872D.2DB3CF0B@pressenter.com>   Hello,  H I've got a couple ES40s at a remote site. Along with HSJ50s, and HSG80s.G I want to be able to remotely access the serial ports on these systems.h That way, do shutdowns etc.y    C Currently, I've got an old copy of PCM (Polycenter Console Manager)hG running. But our network guys think that LAT is a four-letter-word. And- DECserver are evil incarnate.6  H So I want to get rid of that and get a TCP/IP based solution... At least similar to what I have now.e     So.....C  / Any thoughts? What are people currently using? e   Thanks in advance,   Lyndon   -- bG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.r    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:34:29 +0800) From: "Steven Xie" <r33300@email.mot.com> " Subject: Re: Remote Console access+ Message-ID: <apslok$e5v$1@newshost.mot.com>1  K We use HP webconsole to do handle this issue, also you can ask your network / guys a multi-port switch, it can do things too.i   Steven; "Lyndon Bartels" <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in messagee( news:3DC1872D.2DB3CF0B@pressenter.com... > Hello, >uJ > I've got a couple ES40s at a remote site. Along with HSJ50s, and HSG80s.I > I want to be able to remotely access the serial ports on these systems.e > That way, do shutdowns etc.p >w >hE > Currently, I've got an old copy of PCM (Polycenter Console Manager)tI > running. But our network guys think that LAT is a four-letter-word. Andd > DECserver are evil incarnate.t >mJ > So I want to get rid of that and get a TCP/IP based solution... At least > similar to what I have now.g >S >s	 > So.....l > 0 > Any thoughts? What are people currently using? >h > Thanks in advance, >  > Lyndon >f > --I > My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myr > employer.y >c >eJ > The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't > have > to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:28:42 -0500e' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>a" Subject: RE: Remote Console accessT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9855@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Lyndon,<   A few suggestions:D http://www.tditx.com/products_consoleworks.html (ConsoleWorks is std2 console pkg included with Alpha GS Series servers)6 http://www.robomon.com/products/detail_robocentral.htmC http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Product.asp?ID=3D1210 (CA follow-on to  VAXcluster Console)o   Regardsr  
 Kerry Main Solutions Architecto Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesd Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----8 From: Lyndon Bartels [mailto:lbartels@pressenter.com]=20 Sent: October 31, 2002 7:40 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd Subject: Remote Console access     Hello,  H I've got a couple ES40s at a remote site. Along with HSJ50s, and HSG80s.G I want to be able to remotely access the serial ports on these systems.t That way, do shutdowns etc..    C Currently, I've got an old copy of PCM (Polycenter Console Manager)eG running. But our network guys think that LAT is a four-letter-word. Ands DECserver are evil incarnate.c  H So I want to get rid of that and get a TCP/IP based solution... At least similar to what I have now.f     So.....e  1 Any thoughts? What are people currently using?=20    Thanks in advance,   Lyndon   --=20 G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.o    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't! have to look at the horse's butt.(   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:22:11 -0500"2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)" Subject: Re: Remote Console accessJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-3110022322110001@1cust49.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  
 In articleI <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9855@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,t( "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:   >Lyndon, >a >A few suggestions: E >http://www.tditx.com/products_consoleworks.html (ConsoleWorks is stdn3 >console pkg included with Alpha GS Series servers)a  B IMHO, the Consoleworks/PC/Windows package that is foisted with theJ Alphaserver GS series is horrid.  What were they thinking?  The Billy-wareD has a seizure, and your GS-320 either hangs or crashes as a result. 0 Repeat until the PC is dropped down a stairwell.  7 >http://www.robomon.com/products/detail_robocentral.htmeD >http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Product.asp?ID=3D1210 (CA follow-on to >VAXcluster Console)  J VAXcluster Console Manager should have never been allowed to get away from DEC.        D >Currently, I've got an old copy of PCM (Polycenter Console Manager)H >running. But our network guys think that LAT is a four-letter-word. And >DECserver are evil incarnate.  E Sounds like you have sub-standard network guys.  They can't cope withmH multiple network protocols?  Can they explain what they don't like about DECservers?0  G If LAT is a problem, there are TCPIP-based terminal servers.  The later:H ones from DEC have this ability (in addition to LAT), and so do the ones$ available now from Digital Networks.  G I think a multi-port terminal server is the right hardware solution for B console connectivity.  A software layer that gives you logging andD scripting is also very useful.  A web-based or windows-based consoleI manager is a great waste of time unless it is always up and running.  The J ones I have seen are less reliable and less functional than plain terminal servers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:33:47 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com, Subject: Remote VMScluster recovery question? Message-ID: <OFC39C0634.72F66725-ON85256C63.00751630@metso.com>z  1 I have 2 pairs of controllers at each of 2 sites."  1 Last night something caused the pe connections onu  > the pair at site a to close.  I do not know if the controllers   lost power or rebooted.   ; All true physical_disk-physical-disk HB shadowsets remainedi   up.l  7 There are two hardware-raid boxes in the configuration,e  > however, with luns HB shadowed, like to like.  The Luns on the  = raid box at site a dropped out of their HB shadowsets and hadf  @ to be copied afterwards.   The controller(s) on the read box(es)  @ are dual-ported with failover capability, but of course all luns  & would need to failover if any one did.      ; All DSA HB shadowsets went through mount verification.  The0  6 messages in Operator.log seem the same for both kinds.      I Is there something I can set to avoid this, or is it just a timing issue,.   or what?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:52:13 -0500i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>p' Subject: SMTP connection OPCOM messages , Message-ID: <3DC2167F.6BF13E0F@videotron.ca>  L whenever a computer connects to the SMTP server on my vax, it emits an OPCOM message stating so.r  L While this is great for debugging, I wonder: is there a way to turn off suchR messages ? Haven't seen anything in the TCPIP Services 5.3 documentation about it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:39:40 -0500n; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>-+ Subject: Re: TCPIP buglet ... (UCX$UCP.EXE) $ Message-ID: <3dc18760$1@news.si.com>   >VAX VMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.3A >cK >In recent version of TCPIP services, an empty, placeholder file is createde for UCX$UCP.EXED > J >I do not know if VAXNOTES 2.5 is the most recent version, but that is theG >version I have. Its kitinstal.com checks for not only the existence oftG >UCX$UCP.EXE, but also checkes inside the file to get the image version  number6 >to ensure that the softare is at least V2.0 or above.   Will this satisfy Notes?  ) $ define ucx$ucp sys$system:tcpip$ucp.exes --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comrA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comf= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventh< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:26:24 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-+ Subject: Re: TCPIP buglet ... (UCX$UCP.EXE)1, Message-ID: <3DC1E64F.DB285DD6@videotron.ca>   Brian Tillman wrote: > Will this satisfy Notes? > + > $ define ucx$ucp sys$system:tcpip$ucp.exen  N haven't actually used the TCP stuff yet. I just edited the kitinstal to assumeG TCPIP was valid and installation worked fine.  I just wanted to see thetF decwindows interface to notes. (I had used the character cell one, the/ ALL-in-1 one, and now the decwindows interface.O  H Since notes is a dead product, it is pointless to spend much time on it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:20:06 -0500v! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> 9 Subject: Re: VMS PHP connect to local Oracle Rdb Database-' Message-ID: <3DC18266.7A78A827@vcu.edu>0  B could not odbc be called from perl from within php???  string some4 "black boxes" or "black helicopters" together... ;-)   jimu   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > ( > Franz (Franz.Lengel@EvoBus.com) wrote:J > > On our VMS operating system I was able to install CSWS http server andI > > PHP (from hp). But how to access a local Rdb database from PHP ? ODBCUF > > functionality is implemented in this PHP version as far as I know. > J > Let PHP itself tell you what it can do: Create a file PHPINFO.PHTML with >  >   <? >      phpinfo();y >   ?> > I > and drop it into your document root somewhere. When calling it via CSWSm? > it reports all options that have been compiled into this PHP.i > I > Unfortunately, ODBC (or any other database support) are not among thosep > (yet?)...l >  > cu,l
 >   Martin > --C >                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmerm0 > Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deC > to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/N7 > Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.dea   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:42:06 GMTy$ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU9 Subject: Re: VMS PHP connect to local Oracle Rdb Databasef8 Message-ID: <00A16463.6297E755@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  p In article <3dc15ab4.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:' >Franz (Franz.Lengel@EvoBus.com) wrote:>I >> On our VMS operating system I was able to install CSWS http server andaH >> PHP (from hp). But how to access a local Rdb database from PHP ? ODBCE >> functionality is implemented in this PHP version as far as I know.  >iI >Let PHP itself tell you what it can do: Create a file PHPINFO.PHTML withe >> >  <?o >     phpinfo(); >  ?>  > H >and drop it into your document root somewhere. When calling it via CSWS> >it reports all options that have been compiled into this PHP. >rH >Unfortunately, ODBC (or any other database support) are not among those
 >(yet?)...  H Unfortunately also, Rdb doesn't come out-of-the-box with an ODBC server.H (Like a lot of databases, it doesn't talk ODBC on the client.  Rdb talksL SQL Services (or Oracle SQL*NET if you prep the database to do it and defineF a SQL*NET service).  Oracle provides an ODBC client for Windows, whichN translates ODBC to SQL Services _on the client side_.)  So ODBC-client supportO on PHP running on VMS wouldn't, by itself, buy you anything even if you had it.e  M Options: There's a DBD::Rdb DBI plugin for Perl and an Rdb plugin for Python. G (And there's a Perl-based ODBC server product, although I don't know ifnM anybody's running it on VMS or how well it works.  So you could theoretically M use Perl to provide an ODBC interface to Rdb (or any other database supportedtN with a DBI plugin on VMS), but once you're involved enough in Perl to get that< working, why not just do your applications in Perl as well?)  K Otherwise, you can spend money with one of the third parties (eg, Attunity) M that provide ODBC support.  Obnoxiously, the on-platform support package that!N comes for free with VMS supports Oracle Server but not Rdb.  [Fixing this, I'mO told, requires renegotiating the deal with Attunity and is apparently not going  to happen.]-  +J (In theory, again, you could use the OCI (SQL*NET) Support for Rdb to foolN Attunity, except that the Attunity installation links against Oracle libraries> that won't be on your system if you haven't installed Oracle.)  H And none of this will work until there's ODBC-client support in VMS PHP.   -- Alana   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:22:13 +010009 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>s/ Subject: Re: [Fwd: HP User Advocacy ADE survey]E' Message-ID: <3DC166C5.BB0623FE@aaa.com>i  0 I just sent a mail to "admin@hpuseradvocacy.org" and asked where was OpenVMS...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.E   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > $ > -------- Original Message --------& > Subject: HP User Advocacy ADE survey' > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:08:07 -06000  > From: admin@hpuseradvocacy.org > To: Treahy@MMAZ.com  > > Are you involved with the development of enterprise applications on an HP platform? If so, please take a few moments to complete the new ADE survey posted on the HP User Advocacy Program's web site at http://www.hpuseradvocacy.com/Surveys/2002October/index.cfm. HP is sponsoring this survey to better understand languages and to determine the extent to which Java will be adopted in these environments. Let Your Voice Be Heard!! > 9 > Thank you for your support and interest in HP Advocacy!u >  >  > ---------------r > g > Someone remains mentally in a fog, they have a new survey and do not even list VMS as a supported OS!4 >  > Barry0 >  > -- > A > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO0 > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-70280   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.603 ************************000D88 00000000005D0468>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NSCALL  nscall       91254 000000000000059C 00000000005CFC7C>  ORACLIENT64_V803  NRICALL  nricdt      92178 0000000000