1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 05 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 612       Contents: $ CREPRC with LOGINOUT Re: $ CREPRC with LOGINOUT Alpha 1000 4/233 Re: AST Restriction??  RE: AST Restriction??  Re: CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS empty? Re: Digital Press discount Re: Disk size specification ' Re: Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP?  Don't Froget to Vote Re: Don't Froget to Vote( Re: DS10L and backups on an IDE CDRW ...( RE: DS10L and backups on an IDE CDRW ... Dumping: AS1000a 4/266 Encompass Electioneering Begins  Re: errno equivalent Re: errno equivalent Re: errno equivalent Re: errno equivalent; Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month ; Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month ; Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month ; Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month  Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site
 HP Service RE: HP Service Re: HP Service5 Re: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It 5 Re: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It 5 Re: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It 5 RE: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It 5 Re: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It  Re: HP-ETS 2002 CD Re: HP-ETS 2002 CD Re: HP-ETS 2002 CD Icons on Eisner...continued  Re: Icons on Eisner?0 Re: installing the Adobe Acrobat Viewer for Java0 Re: installing the Adobe Acrobat Viewer for Java7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek 7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek 7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek 7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek  looking for a DSSI cable$ Re: Microsoft strikes (itself) again$ Re: Microsoft strikes (itself) again$ Re: Microsoft strikes (itself) again Re: Monitoring NIC utilization Re: Monitoring NIC utilization Re: OpenVMS & XDMCP , Re: Problem with /AUTOSTART_ON on VMS V7.3-1, Re: Problem with /AUTOSTART_ON on VMS V7.3-17 Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARENT (was: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE) 7 Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARENT (was: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE)  SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE  Re: Slow performance with BACKUP Re: smp license per card?  RE: smp license per card?  test Re: The Leper colony at ETS  Two TLZ30's " VAX instruction set (was:: <None>) VMS job posting sites? RE: VMS job posting sites? Re: VMS job posting sites? Re: VMS job posting sites? Re: VMS job posting sites?( Re: VMS on Itanium not mission critical?( Re: VMS on Itanium not mission critical?7 Re: VMS to support KDE over CDE in which future version 7 Re: VMS to support KDE over CDE in which future version 7 Re: VMS to support KDE over CDE in which future version 7 Re: VMS to support KDE over CDE in which future version  Voting Systems ? Re: Voting Systems ? Re: Voting Systems ? Re: Voting Systems ?$ Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?$ Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?$ Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?$ Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?$ RE: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?$ Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose? Re: What Ethertype do I use? Re: What Ethertype do I use? Re: What Ethertype do I use? Re: What Ethertype do I use?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 07:49:04 -0800 L From: ffrancillette@lucent.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9rick_FRANCILLETTE?=) Subject: $ CREPRC with LOGINOUT = Message-ID: <486786bf.0211050749.51adea99@posting.google.com>   , I tried to create a detached process using :     sys_stat := $CREPRC -         ( image := 'SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE', &           input := 'process_java.com',           prvadr := privilege,           quota := liste_quota,            prcnam := prcnam, 6           stsflg := PRC$M_DETACH + PRC$M_NOPASSWORD );   with(   liste_quota[1].code := PQL$_PGFLQUOTA;    liste_quota[1].value := value;&   liste_quota[2].code := PQL$_LISTEND;  5 and process_java.com contains one line : $java "toto"   @ The process is created and works fine but the problem is that myE PGFLQUOTA value seems to be ignored. The value I can see is the value  of the caller of the $CREPRC.    Thanks for any idea.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:23:18 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> # Subject: Re: $ CREPRC with LOGINOUT < Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0211050919360.1480-100000@jaipur>  H I think if you read the documentation for CREPRC very carefully you willH see that many of the quota values are maxed by the values of the callingH process.  That is, the calling process must have at least the values you? are trying to set.  I remember something like that in the docs.   B Or that may have had to do only with subprocesses.  Don't rememberI for sure.  Either way, I'd check this little detail in the documentation.   = On 5 Nov 2002, [ISO-8859-1] Fr=E9d=E9rick FRANCILLETTE wrote: . > I tried to create a detached process using : >  > [...]  > B > The process is created and works fine but the problem is that myG > PGFLQUOTA value seems to be ignored. The value I can see is the value  > of the caller of the $CREPRC.  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:09:27 +0100( From: "Simon Brown" <simon.brown@kns.ch> Subject: Alpha 1000 4/233 3 Message-ID: <aq81s9$76d4b$1@ID-6220.news.dfncis.de>   J The name is almost correct I guess, anyway yesterday I bought two of theseL excellent machines (each with two RAID arrays) for just $500 for testing and* have VMS 7.3 up and running (no surprise).  H Is there a DCL command to show the status of the RAID arrays (DRA0, DRA1 etc.) ?   E If not, how do I find out what's going on with them - hotswaps etc. ?    $ set mode /grumpy  J How the hell can a company which produced this quality of hardware so manyH years ago end up as it is now? There is a slot in Hell reserved for many ex-DEC 'executives.    $ set mode / hard_work=again   Thanks All,  --& Simon Brown, CH-7031 Laax, Switzerland
 www.hb9drv.ch    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:38:31 GMT 3 From: "Jerome" <Jerome.Forissier@removethis.hp.com>  Subject: Re: AST Restriction??1 Message-ID: <bsLx9.2$mH1.114801@news.cpqcorp.net>    Gerald,   B I had a similar problem some time ago, in an ADA application. ThisJ application uses ASTs, and was later linked with a C application using the pthread library...  I My guess is that the AST is being delivered in the context of the manager H thread of the application. Since this particular thread has a very smallK stack (16 or 32K I think), you are likely to run into troubles if your code K gets executed in this context. Since your application crashes on a function H call, but does not crash if you inline the code, this may be the reason.  G I bet your EXE has upcalls disabled. You can check this using THREADCP:    $ THREADCP YOUR.EXE   3 If it is the case, you should try enabling upcalls:   # $ THREADCP /UPCALLS=ENABLE YOUR.EXE   G This way, the pthread library will always queue the ASTs to the initial F thread of your application, which has plenty of stack space available.  J IIRC, there is a chapter on threads and ASTs in the "Guide to DECThreads".   -- Jerome    : "Gerald Marsh" <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> wrote in message2 news:u0ldsuk5nj1sobka01h9f68ub9g3jf6l7q@4ax.com... > Heelllppppp! > F > We are having real hassle with a Compaq BASIC program calling an AST > routine written in BLISS.  > G > The following ACCVIO is produced when another routine is being called G > from within the AST routine. The instruction suggests that either R27 & > or the stack pointer is corrupted... > F > 11:45:59.48-BALGV-AFTMQO--%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reasonA > mask=04, virtual address=00000000029C19A0, PC=000000000003ACB8, 
 > PS=0000001B F > 11:45:59.51-BALGV-AFTMQO--  Improperly handled condition, image exit	 > forced. < > 11:45:59.54-BALGV-AFTMQO--    Signal arguments:   Number = > 0000000000000005< > 11:45:59.58-BALGV-AFTMQO--                        Name   = > 000000000000000C > 11:45:59.61-BALGV-AFTMQO-- > 0000000000000004 > 11:45:59.64-BALGV-AFTMQO-- > 00000000029C19A0 > 11:45:59.68-BALGV-AFTMQO-- > 000000000003ACB8 > 11:45:59.71-BALGV-AFTMQO-- > 000000000000001B. > 11:45:59.76-BALGV-AFTMQO--    Register dump:= > 11:45:59.79-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R0  = 0000000000000065  R1  =  > 819764C010000FF0 > R2 >   = 0000000000011660= > 11:45:59.82-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R3  = 00000000029A00A0  R4  =  > 00000000029CBB40 > R5 >   = 0000000000000000= > 11:45:59.85-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R6  = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF  R7  =  > 00000000029A0110 > R8 >   = 0000000000000000= > 11:45:59.89-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R9  = 0000000000000000  R10 =  > 00000000029A0128 > R1 > 1 = 000000007BC01110= > 11:45:59.92-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R12 = 0000000000000001  R13 =  > FFFFFFFF8D44FCD0 > R1 > 4 = FFFFFFFF81ACB240= > 11:45:59.95-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R15 = 000000007BC010E0  R16 =  > 00000000029C5A68 > R1 > 7 = 00000000029C5A68= > 11:45:59.99-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R18 = 000000000000002C  R19 =  > 0000000000000001 > R2 > 0 = FFFFFFFF8E1DA000= > 11:46:00.02-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R21 = FFFFFFFDFF7FE000  R22 =  > FFFFFFFF80109240 > R2 > 3 = 000000007FFA1FC0= > 11:46:00.05-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 =  > 000000000000002F > R2 > 6 = 000000000003B034= > 11:46:00.09-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R27 = 0000000000011620  R28 =  > FFFFFFFF800C6328 > R2 > 9 = FFFFFFFF8003BEC8= > 11:46:00.13-BALGV-AFTMQO--    SP  = 000000007AF12000  PC  =  > 000000000003ACB8 > PS >   = 000000000000001BC > =================================================================  > H > It is interesting to note that the ACCVIO occurs as the called routine > is being entered.  > H > The following is the AST routine. The ACCVIO occurs at the line marked
 > with "++++"  > ( > ROUTINE SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST:NOVALUE= > BEGIN  > LOCAL   STATUS,  >         GETLIST:VECTOR[4],. >         SENDER_PROCESS_NAME:VECTOR[16,BYTE],B >         SUBSERVER_DESC:VECTOR[2] INITIAL(0,SENDER_PROCESS_NAME), >         SUBSERVER_INDEX1,  >         SUBSERVER_INDEX, >         SUBSERVER_INDEX2, * >         SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC:VECTOR[2]' > INITIAL(0,SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_MESSAGE),  >         CONNECTION_INDEX, & >         QUEUE_INFO:REF BLOCK[,BYTE];B > BIND    SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_LENGTH=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[1]:WORD,2 >         SUBSERVER_PID=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[2],- >         SENDER_SIZE=SUBSERVER_DESC[0]:WORD; 
 > EXTERNAL >         ROUTINE DELAY;5 > WRITE_MESSAGE ('Subserver mailbox ast  delivered'); ( > IF NOT .SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[0] THEN >         BEGIN 8 >         WRITE_MESSAGE('SUBSERVER MAILBOX READ ERROR');. >         MESSAGE(.SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[0]); >         RETURN;  >         END;7 > GETLIST[0]=16+JPI$_PRCNAM^16;           !PROCESS NAME ! > GETLIST[1]=SENDER_PROCESS_NAME;  > GETLIST[2]=SENDER_SIZE;  > GETLIST[3]=0; 7 > STATUS=$GETJPIW(PIDADR=SUBSERVER_PID,ITMLST=GETLIST);  > CHECK_STATUS; 6 > WRITE_MESSAGE('***SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST STEP 1***'); > INCR I FROM 1 TO 100 DO  >         DUMMY_ROUTINE(); > !SUBSERVER_INDEX=0; : > ++++SUBSERVER_INDEX=GET_SUBSERVER_INDEX(SUBSERVER_DESC);6 > WRITE_MESSAGE('***SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST STEP 2***');5 > SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC[0]=.SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_LENGTH  > ! > -SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_HEADER_SIZE; / > CONNECTION_INDEX=.SUBSERVER_CONNECTION_INDEX; 5 > QUEUE_INFO=SUBSERVER_QUEUE_INFO[.CONNECTION_INDEX]; 0 > WRITE_VALUE('SUB MBX AST', .CONNECTION_INDEX);6 > WRITE_DESC ('SUB MBX AST',  SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC);; > ENQUEUE_COMM_MESSAGE(.QUEUE_INFO,SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC); E > ENQUEUE_COMM_MESSAGE(.QUEUE_INFO,SUBSERVER_LIST[.SUBSERVER_INDEX]);  > STATUS=$SETEF(EFN=19); > CHECK_STATUS; & > STATUS=$QIO(CHAN=.SUBSERVER_MAILBOX, >         FUNC=IO$_READVBLK,' >         ASTADR=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST, & >         IOSB=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB,& >         P1=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_BUFFER,& >         P2=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_LIMIT); > CHECK_STATUS; ) > WRITE_MESSAGE('SUBSERVER_MAILBIX_AST');  > $waitfr(efn=17);  > END;    !SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST >  > L ============================================================================ ======== > B > Any other routine called from within the AST code results in the	 > ACCVIO.  > D > (The original worked fine for years before we upgraded MQueue from5 > 2.2.1.1 to 5.1 but no MQ routine seems implicated!)  > F > If the code for GET_SUBSERVER_INDEX is placed "in-line", the routine
 > works... >  > - > ROUTINE SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST_AFTS:NOVALUE=  > BEGIN  > LOCAL   STATUS,  >         GETLIST:VECTOR[4],. >         SENDER_PROCESS_NAME:VECTOR[16,BYTE],B >         SUBSERVER_DESC:VECTOR[2] INITIAL(0,SENDER_PROCESS_NAME), >         SUBSERVER_INDEX,* >         SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC:VECTOR[2]' > INITIAL(0,SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_MESSAGE),  >         CONNECTION_INDEX, & >         QUEUE_INFO:REF BLOCK[,BYTE];B > BIND    SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_LENGTH=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[1]:WORD,2 >         SUBSERVER_PID=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[2],- >         SENDER_SIZE=SUBSERVER_DESC[0]:WORD; 5 > WRITE_MESSAGE ('Subserver mailbox ast  delivered'); ( > IF NOT .SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[0] THEN >         BEGIN 8 >         WRITE_MESSAGE('SUBSERVER MAILBOX READ ERROR');. >         MESSAGE(.SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[0]); >         RETURN;  >         END;7 > GETLIST[0]=16+JPI$_PRCNAM^16;           !PROCESS NAME ! > GETLIST[1]=SENDER_PROCESS_NAME;  > GETLIST[2]=SENDER_SIZE;  > GETLIST[3]=0; 7 > STATUS=$GETJPIW(PIDADR=SUBSERVER_PID,ITMLST=GETLIST);  > CHECK_STATUS; 9 > SUBSERVER_INDEX=(INCR I FROM 0 TO .SUBSERVER_COUNT-1 DO F >         IF STR$COMPARE(SUBSERVER_DESC,SUBSERVER_LIST[.I]) EQL 0 THEN >                 EXITLOOP .I);   > IF .SUBSERVER_INDEX LSS 0 THEN > BEGIN 4 >         IF .SUBSERVER_COUNT GEQ MAX_SUBSERVER THEN >         BEGIN 6 >                 WRITE_VALUE('MAX SUBSERVER EXCEEDED: > ',.SUBSERVER_COUNT); >         END;+ >         SUBSERVER_INDEX=.SUBSERVER_COUNT; G >         STR$COPY_DX(SUBSERVER_LIST[.SUBSERVER_COUNT],SUBSERVER_DESC); - >         SUBSERVER_COUNT=.SUBSERVER_COUNT+1;  > END;< > !SUBSERVER_INDEX=GET_SUBSERVER_INDEX_AFTS(SUBSERVER_DESC); > !SUBSERVER_INDEX=0; @ > !STR$COPY_DX(SUBSERVER_LIST[.SUBSERVER_COUNT],SUBSERVER_DESC);5 > SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC[0]=.SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_LENGTH  > ! > -SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_HEADER_SIZE; / > CONNECTION_INDEX=.SUBSERVER_CONNECTION_INDEX; 5 > QUEUE_INFO=SUBSERVER_QUEUE_INFO[.CONNECTION_INDEX]; 0 > WRITE_VALUE('SUB MBX AST', .CONNECTION_INDEX);6 > WRITE_DESC ('SUB MBX AST',  SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC);; > ENQUEUE_COMM_MESSAGE(.QUEUE_INFO,SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC); E > ENQUEUE_COMM_MESSAGE(.QUEUE_INFO,SUBSERVER_LIST[.SUBSERVER_INDEX]);  > STATUS=$SETEF(EFN=19); > CHECK_STATUS; & > STATUS=$QIO(CHAN=.SUBSERVER_MAILBOX, >         FUNC=IO$_READVBLK,, >         ASTADR=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST_AFTS,& >         IOSB=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB,& >         P1=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_BUFFER,& >         P2=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_LIMIT); > CHECK_STATUS;   > END;    !SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST > H > What concerns me is that there is still an underlying problem and it's$ > going to come up and bite us soon! > H > Can anyone see if there is anything suspect regarding the AST routine? > B > Note that, to overcome a known hang problem, the PTHREADS rtl is? > explicitly linked in the LINK command. (This version of MQ is 3 > multi-threaded but the application image is not.)  > D > We have even tried to upgrade to the latest Bliss compiler (1.9, I4 > think) to no avail. The OpenVMS version is V7.2-2. > B > IBM have suggested a quota problem but massive increases haven't	 > helped.  >  > G > Any help to keep this high-availability system highly available would  > be gratefully received.  > E > In the meantime, keep up the good work  - The threads in this group ' > are much better than the rtl threads!  >  > Bye for now, >  > 	 > Gerald.  > Gerald Marsh > 1 > gerald -at- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uk  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:18:54 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> Subject: RE: AST Restriction??0 Message-ID: <01C284B4.C50034E0@sulfer.icius.com>  @ If you're using pthreads, you're already in trouble. BASIC isn'tC threadable. In fact, in the RTL there is some code to make sure you  don't try to thread it.   H Interesting thought though, I wonder if you could get away with a singleF BASIC thread and multiple C threads in the same image? Hmm, maybe I'll= give it a try sometime. Unless of course someone already did?    Shane    -----Original Message-----8 From: Jerome [mailto:Jerome.Forissier@removethis.hp.com]) Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:39 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: AST Restriction??     Gerald,   B I had a similar problem some time ago, in an ADA application. ThisF application uses ASTs, and was later linked with a C application using the  pthread library...  A My guess is that the AST is being delivered in the context of the  manager H thread of the application. Since this particular thread has a very smallF stack (16 or 32K I think), you are likely to run into troubles if your codeB gets executed in this context. Since your application crashes on a functionH call, but does not crash if you inline the code, this may be the reason.  G I bet your EXE has upcalls disabled. You can check this using THREADCP:    $ THREADCP YOUR.EXE   3 If it is the case, you should try enabling upcalls:   # $ THREADCP /UPCALLS=ENABLE YOUR.EXE   G This way, the pthread library will always queue the ASTs to the initial F thread of your application, which has plenty of stack space available.  = IIRC, there is a chapter on threads and ASTs in the "Guide to  DECThreads".   -- Jerome    : "Gerald Marsh" <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> wrote in message2 news:u0ldsuk5nj1sobka01h9f68ub9g3jf6l7q@4ax.com... > Heelllppppp! > F > We are having real hassle with a Compaq BASIC program calling an AST > routine written in BLISS.  > G > The following ACCVIO is produced when another routine is being called G > from within the AST routine. The instruction suggests that either R27 & > or the stack pointer is corrupted... > F > 11:45:59.48-BALGV-AFTMQO--%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reasonA > mask=04, virtual address=00000000029C19A0, PC=000000000003ACB8, 
 > PS=0000001B F > 11:45:59.51-BALGV-AFTMQO--  Improperly handled condition, image exit	 > forced. < > 11:45:59.54-BALGV-AFTMQO--    Signal arguments:   Number = > 0000000000000005< > 11:45:59.58-BALGV-AFTMQO--                        Name   = > 000000000000000C > 11:45:59.61-BALGV-AFTMQO-- > 0000000000000004 > 11:45:59.64-BALGV-AFTMQO-- > 00000000029C19A0 > 11:45:59.68-BALGV-AFTMQO-- > 000000000003ACB8 > 11:45:59.71-BALGV-AFTMQO-- > 000000000000001B. > 11:45:59.76-BALGV-AFTMQO--    Register dump:= > 11:45:59.79-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R0  = 0000000000000065  R1  =  > 819764C010000FF0 > R2 >   = 0000000000011660= > 11:45:59.82-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R3  = 00000000029A00A0  R4  =  > 00000000029CBB40 > R5 >   = 0000000000000000= > 11:45:59.85-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R6  = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF  R7  =  > 00000000029A0110 > R8 >   = 0000000000000000= > 11:45:59.89-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R9  = 0000000000000000  R10 =  > 00000000029A0128 > R1 > 1 = 000000007BC01110= > 11:45:59.92-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R12 = 0000000000000001  R13 =  > FFFFFFFF8D44FCD0 > R1 > 4 = FFFFFFFF81ACB240= > 11:45:59.95-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R15 = 000000007BC010E0  R16 =  > 00000000029C5A68 > R1 > 7 = 00000000029C5A68= > 11:45:59.99-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R18 = 000000000000002C  R19 =  > 0000000000000001 > R2 > 0 = FFFFFFFF8E1DA000= > 11:46:00.02-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R21 = FFFFFFFDFF7FE000  R22 =  > FFFFFFFF80109240 > R2 > 3 = 000000007FFA1FC0= > 11:46:00.05-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 =  > 000000000000002F > R2 > 6 = 000000000003B034= > 11:46:00.09-BALGV-AFTMQO--    R27 = 0000000000011620  R28 =  > FFFFFFFF800C6328 > R2 > 9 = FFFFFFFF8003BEC8= > 11:46:00.13-BALGV-AFTMQO--    SP  = 000000007AF12000  PC  =  > 000000000003ACB8 > PS >   = 000000000000001BC > =================================================================  > H > It is interesting to note that the ACCVIO occurs as the called routine > is being entered.  > H > The following is the AST routine. The ACCVIO occurs at the line marked
 > with "++++"  > ( > ROUTINE SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST:NOVALUE= > BEGIN  > LOCAL   STATUS,  >         GETLIST:VECTOR[4],. >         SENDER_PROCESS_NAME:VECTOR[16,BYTE],B >         SUBSERVER_DESC:VECTOR[2] INITIAL(0,SENDER_PROCESS_NAME), >         SUBSERVER_INDEX1,  >         SUBSERVER_INDEX, >         SUBSERVER_INDEX2, * >         SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC:VECTOR[2]' > INITIAL(0,SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_MESSAGE),  >         CONNECTION_INDEX, & >         QUEUE_INFO:REF BLOCK[,BYTE];B > BIND    SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_LENGTH=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[1]:WORD,2 >         SUBSERVER_PID=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[2],- >         SENDER_SIZE=SUBSERVER_DESC[0]:WORD; 
 > EXTERNAL >         ROUTINE DELAY;5 > WRITE_MESSAGE ('Subserver mailbox ast  delivered'); ( > IF NOT .SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[0] THEN >         BEGIN 8 >         WRITE_MESSAGE('SUBSERVER MAILBOX READ ERROR');. >         MESSAGE(.SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[0]); >         RETURN;  >         END;7 > GETLIST[0]=16+JPI$_PRCNAM^16;           !PROCESS NAME ! > GETLIST[1]=SENDER_PROCESS_NAME;  > GETLIST[2]=SENDER_SIZE;  > GETLIST[3]=0; 7 > STATUS=$GETJPIW(PIDADR=SUBSERVER_PID,ITMLST=GETLIST);  > CHECK_STATUS; 6 > WRITE_MESSAGE('***SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST STEP 1***'); > INCR I FROM 1 TO 100 DO  >         DUMMY_ROUTINE(); > !SUBSERVER_INDEX=0; : > ++++SUBSERVER_INDEX=GET_SUBSERVER_INDEX(SUBSERVER_DESC);6 > WRITE_MESSAGE('***SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST STEP 2***');5 > SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC[0]=.SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_LENGTH  > ! > -SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_HEADER_SIZE; / > CONNECTION_INDEX=.SUBSERVER_CONNECTION_INDEX; 5 > QUEUE_INFO=SUBSERVER_QUEUE_INFO[.CONNECTION_INDEX]; 0 > WRITE_VALUE('SUB MBX AST', .CONNECTION_INDEX);6 > WRITE_DESC ('SUB MBX AST',  SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC);; > ENQUEUE_COMM_MESSAGE(.QUEUE_INFO,SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC); E > ENQUEUE_COMM_MESSAGE(.QUEUE_INFO,SUBSERVER_LIST[.SUBSERVER_INDEX]);  > STATUS=$SETEF(EFN=19); > CHECK_STATUS; & > STATUS=$QIO(CHAN=.SUBSERVER_MAILBOX, >         FUNC=IO$_READVBLK,' >         ASTADR=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST, & >         IOSB=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB,& >         P1=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_BUFFER,& >         P2=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_LIMIT); > CHECK_STATUS; ) > WRITE_MESSAGE('SUBSERVER_MAILBIX_AST');  > $waitfr(efn=17);  > END;    !SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST >  > H ======================================================================== ==== ======== > B > Any other routine called from within the AST code results in the	 > ACCVIO.  > D > (The original worked fine for years before we upgraded MQueue from5 > 2.2.1.1 to 5.1 but no MQ routine seems implicated!)  > F > If the code for GET_SUBSERVER_INDEX is placed "in-line", the routine
 > works... >  > - > ROUTINE SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST_AFTS:NOVALUE=  > BEGIN  > LOCAL   STATUS,  >         GETLIST:VECTOR[4],. >         SENDER_PROCESS_NAME:VECTOR[16,BYTE],B >         SUBSERVER_DESC:VECTOR[2] INITIAL(0,SENDER_PROCESS_NAME), >         SUBSERVER_INDEX,* >         SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC:VECTOR[2]' > INITIAL(0,SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_MESSAGE),  >         CONNECTION_INDEX, & >         QUEUE_INFO:REF BLOCK[,BYTE];B > BIND    SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_LENGTH=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[1]:WORD,2 >         SUBSERVER_PID=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[2],- >         SENDER_SIZE=SUBSERVER_DESC[0]:WORD; 5 > WRITE_MESSAGE ('Subserver mailbox ast  delivered'); ( > IF NOT .SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[0] THEN >         BEGIN 8 >         WRITE_MESSAGE('SUBSERVER MAILBOX READ ERROR');. >         MESSAGE(.SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB[0]); >         RETURN;  >         END;7 > GETLIST[0]=16+JPI$_PRCNAM^16;           !PROCESS NAME ! > GETLIST[1]=SENDER_PROCESS_NAME;  > GETLIST[2]=SENDER_SIZE;  > GETLIST[3]=0; 7 > STATUS=$GETJPIW(PIDADR=SUBSERVER_PID,ITMLST=GETLIST);  > CHECK_STATUS; 9 > SUBSERVER_INDEX=(INCR I FROM 0 TO .SUBSERVER_COUNT-1 DO F >         IF STR$COMPARE(SUBSERVER_DESC,SUBSERVER_LIST[.I]) EQL 0 THEN >                 EXITLOOP .I);   > IF .SUBSERVER_INDEX LSS 0 THEN > BEGIN 4 >         IF .SUBSERVER_COUNT GEQ MAX_SUBSERVER THEN >         BEGIN 6 >                 WRITE_VALUE('MAX SUBSERVER EXCEEDED: > ',.SUBSERVER_COUNT); >         END;+ >         SUBSERVER_INDEX=.SUBSERVER_COUNT; G >         STR$COPY_DX(SUBSERVER_LIST[.SUBSERVER_COUNT],SUBSERVER_DESC); - >         SUBSERVER_COUNT=.SUBSERVER_COUNT+1;  > END;< > !SUBSERVER_INDEX=GET_SUBSERVER_INDEX_AFTS(SUBSERVER_DESC); > !SUBSERVER_INDEX=0; @ > !STR$COPY_DX(SUBSERVER_LIST[.SUBSERVER_COUNT],SUBSERVER_DESC);5 > SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC[0]=.SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_LENGTH  > ! > -SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_HEADER_SIZE; / > CONNECTION_INDEX=.SUBSERVER_CONNECTION_INDEX; 5 > QUEUE_INFO=SUBSERVER_QUEUE_INFO[.CONNECTION_INDEX]; 0 > WRITE_VALUE('SUB MBX AST', .CONNECTION_INDEX);6 > WRITE_DESC ('SUB MBX AST',  SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC);; > ENQUEUE_COMM_MESSAGE(.QUEUE_INFO,SUBSERVER_MESSAGE_DESC); E > ENQUEUE_COMM_MESSAGE(.QUEUE_INFO,SUBSERVER_LIST[.SUBSERVER_INDEX]);  > STATUS=$SETEF(EFN=19); > CHECK_STATUS; & > STATUS=$QIO(CHAN=.SUBSERVER_MAILBOX, >         FUNC=IO$_READVBLK,, >         ASTADR=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST_AFTS,& >         IOSB=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_IOSB,& >         P1=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_BUFFER,& >         P2=SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_LIMIT); > CHECK_STATUS;   > END;    !SUBSERVER_MAILBOX_AST > H > What concerns me is that there is still an underlying problem and it's$ > going to come up and bite us soon! > H > Can anyone see if there is anything suspect regarding the AST routine? > B > Note that, to overcome a known hang problem, the PTHREADS rtl is? > explicitly linked in the LINK command. (This version of MQ is 3 > multi-threaded but the application image is not.)  > D > We have even tried to upgrade to the latest Bliss compiler (1.9, I4 > think) to no avail. The OpenVMS version is V7.2-2. > B > IBM have suggested a quota problem but massive increases haven't	 > helped.  >  > G > Any help to keep this high-availability system highly available would  > be gratefully received.  > E > In the meantime, keep up the good work  - The threads in this group ' > are much better than the rtl threads!  >  > Bye for now, >  > 	 > Gerald.  > Gerald Marsh > 1 > gerald -at- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uk  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:59:10 -0500 + From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com> % Subject: Re: CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS empty? ( Message-ID: <3DC7CEAE.8DC8D8E@yahoo.com>  E If the icon files can be opened with the icon editor, it's not likely H that file protections are causing the problem.  I see that Create ActionD on my system here also shows cde$home_defaults.  It is strange sinceA there is no logical name for cde$home_defaults but much of CDE is  strange!  F I have several icon files in my [.dt.icons] directory and they do showG with Find Set.  You need to double-click on the other icon folder names H such as cde$system_defaults:[appconfig.icons.c] to open them.  Does that) produce an error or just a blank display?      Christoph Gartmann wrote:  >  > Hello, > O > when I try to install Mozilla as a desktop icon all is fine besides the stuff P > with the icon picture. I downloaded "CDE_ICONS.ZIP", unpacked it and saved theO > six files into "[GARTMANN.DT.ICONS]". Now when I run "Create Action" and then ? > "Find Set", I don't get any files listed. There is nothing in  >    CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS] >       and nothing in, >    CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]P > But when I look into these two directories I see icon files. I am able to open< > the icon files via the "Icon Editor". Thus, what is wrong? > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  > J > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:11:52 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> # Subject: Re: Digital Press discount > Message-ID: <YcRx9.106372$wG.405997@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  D Yeah, it used to be a 35 percent discount. Now its 20 percent. Yawn.  9 "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> wrote in message > news:OF23FE54EA.A715A488-ON07256C67.004E7F3C@mck.us.ray.com... > Folks: > L > I've been asked to pass this along.  This is certainly the right group for > this information.  >  > dave.  > J > ----- Forwarded by David D Miller/RWS/Raytheon/US on 11/04/2002 07:17 AM > -----  >  >  > DISCOUNT OFFER EXTENDED I > Looking for books on OpenVMS? Go to www.openvms.compaq.com and click on  the E > hotlink labeled "Digital Press Bookstore for HP Technologies". It's 
 > designedL > to cater to the needs of anyone who uses OpenVMS (or UNIX). There's always > a I > discount available to anyone who accesses the DP website from this link  > (theG > tag line in your shopping cart will read, "You received a discount of  > $XX.XX: > because you qualify for our HP technologies discount."). > H > Right now, tho, we are running a year-end special of 30% off any title > purchased. > J > We announced that the discount would be available Oct. 15, 2002-Jan. 15, > 2003.  > D > Due to technical difficulties, we weren't able to go live with the discountJ > until October 29. However, the offer has been extended by two weeks (now > ends Jan. 31, 2003). > G > So if you tried the site last month, please visit again--it should be  > working now. > K > If you encounter problems, or bought books between Oct. 15 and 29 for the H >  lower discount, please contact Pam Chester at p.chester@elsevier.com. >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:20:41 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> $ Subject: Re: Disk size specification? Message-ID: <0c229d904b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   ) In message <aq7aem$sag$1@web1.cup.hp.com> .           hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:   > a > In article <00A167AD.E9AB4834@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes: C > :In article <3dc6bc91$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>, rok@nuk.uni-lj.si writes:  > : ! > :> OpenVMS V7.3, Alpha and VAX.  >  >   Which Alpha, and which VAX?  > ? >   How are these disks connected to the OpenVMS VAX and to the  >   OpenVMS Alpha systems? > H > :> I have two RA82 lookalike disks, but alas, they differ: one has one> > :>cylinder less than the other, they differ for 1120 blocks.D > :> I there a way to tell VMS both disks are of the same size, as I > :>would like to shadow them. > C >   The RA82-class disks are ancient and physically giant UDA-class G >   disk drives.  If these two lookalike disks are of a similar vintage H >   as the RA82 series, then I'm mildly surprised these widgets are even >   still working. > G >   But you will also want to check with the vendor or the organization C >   supporting your hardware, as the details of how these disks are F >   configured are obviously known to the particular vendor's support. > L > :I seem to recall that disks no longer had to be the same size or geometryO > :to be shadowed, that the shadowing stuff will just use as much of the larger O > :one as will cover the smaller one.  (I think this was a 7.3 change - haven't + > :gone back to the release notes to look.)  > G >   As currently configured, these two disks cannot be shadowed by the  H >   OpenVMS host-based shadowing package -- the block counts must match.  L I was told that this check wasn't made in early versions of shadowing, which resulted in the following mess.   L A friend on another site, running VMS 4.1 as I recall, shadowed an RA81 withL a non-Dec similar disk, which had more blocks. At first it worked - the RA81" was the initial shadow set member.  H At some point, the non-Dec disk became the master. The shadow copy wroteK blocks to the smaller RA81, and wrapped round, overwriting the beginning of : the disk with the data which should have been off the end.  ( He stopped shadowing this pair of disks.   > H >   While disk geometry no longer matters for shadowing -- and there areG >   shadowing ECO kits with this capability available for older OpenVMSeH >   releases -- the overall disk block counts must be identical for the F >   volumes to be shadowed using host-based volume shadowing software. > H >   There is work going on in this area for future OpenVMS releases, but- >   this information is current as of V7.3-1.a > H >   And yes, I would encourage you to replace these RA82-lookalike disks" >   with some more modern storage. >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  >    -- t
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:51:20 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>P0 Subject: Re: Does anyone use P7 in DCPS$STARTUP?/ Message-ID: <usfto9fbgejf2a@news.supernews.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message$ news:3DC7220B.676A6F@videotron.ca... > VAXVMS wrote:YK > > There are literally thousands of queues that we manage, and not only doC weL > > have data-file driven queue management but we periodically run a commandH > > procedure that surveys each district context and recreates the queue setupo > > ande >nK > The question becomes: should Digital change the queue manager to be "datapI > driven" or should it let each customer design their own customized dataW file2 > format and procedures that fit their own needs ? >   L The queue manager isn't the problem.  It remembers everything between boots.K It's DCPS, LAT, Logical Names etc that need to be redefined during startup.a  J > I would think that the needs are diverse enough that no single data-file  > driven solution would fit all. >MI > But enabling the quaue maneger to be more easily dara driven would be a/
 good idea. > L > Perhaps a SHOW/QUEUE/MANAGER/CONFIG=myfile.dat in a documented file formatD > would go a long way towards helping customize their queue configs.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:15:01 GMTW1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>K Subject: Don't Froget to Vote = Message-ID: <VfRx9.82331$bt.141605@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   J Yes, today is voting day. So do your civicduty, whether you want more govtJ and taxes under the left, or less of the same under the right. Either way, vote.   
 Thank you.  H PS-- Encompass voting is open for the next 13 days, too. $90 members canL vote online. Coach class members (who are grandfathered in) must send fax or email.  ! Four vacancies, three candidates.    -- Terry C. Shannon+ Consultant and Publisher, Shannon Knows HPCe% Director at Large, Encompass US, Inc.f terryshannon@attbi.com http://www.openvms.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:59:31 GMTo1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>?! Subject: Re: Don't Froget to Votes> Message-ID: <DVRx9.106712$wG.415258@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  * And don't "froget" how to spell reel gude.  " Sorry, I went to a Publik Skool...  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message7 news:VfRx9.82331$bt.141605@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...-L > Yes, today is voting day. So do your civicduty, whether you want more govtL > and taxes under the left, or less of the same under the right. Either way, > vote.$ >E > Thank you. > J > PS-- Encompass voting is open for the next 13 days, too. $90 members canK > vote online. Coach class members (who are grandfathered in) must send faxg or > email. >L# > Four vacancies, three candidates.r >s > -- > Terry C. Shannon- > Consultant and Publisher, Shannon Knows HPCo' > Director at Large, Encompass US, Inc.  > terryshannon@attbi.com > http://www.openvms.org >h >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 08:26:17 +0100uC From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)n1 Subject: Re: DS10L and backups on an IDE CDRW ...e- Message-ID: <3dc77299.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>   = In article <d7791aa1.0211041018.545a7be6@posting.google.com>,a* bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:9 |>does the cdwrite program mentioned on this board before ; |>allow you to install and IDE CDRW drive and do consistentr3 |>backups (daily) on rewritable cd's on a ds10l ... 0 |>would this work with an automated dcl routine? |>Any success stories? |>  " 1. It is not cdwrite but cdrecord.G 2. The cdrecord version is 1.10, that last officially released one (midv 2001).- 3. cdrecord.com doesn't activate "burnproof".oK 4. Ask HP/Compaq/DEC and I'm sure, you'll get no answer (just like me abouti the same subject.).o  G cdrecord V1.11 will be released soon. I did contribute the VMS relevant ! parts as I did from the beginningi of cdrecord.     eberhard   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:32:42 -0500! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>p1 Subject: RE: DS10L and backups on an IDE CDRW ...cK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B96@rlghncst964.usps.gov>b  C I run the heck out of three TL892s (= 6 TZ89s) and have them maxed RE out for about half of the day, using anywhere from twelve to fifteen 0% DLT4s daily with compression enabled.n   That'd be a *lot* of CDs...1   :^)3   WWWebb  1 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes in article I <usdjjgpmp6eiec@news.supernews.com> dated Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:45:52 -0500:eL >I backup to CD-R all the time.  We've completely eliminated tape.  You needK >to backup to an intermediate device (or virtual device) and then burn thats >device to the CD-R. >(6 >"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message8 >news:d7791aa1.0211041018.545a7be6@posting.google.com...: >> does the cdwrite program mentioned on this board before< >> allow you to install and IDE CDRW drive and do consistent4 >> backups (daily) on rewritable cd's on a ds10l ...1 >> would this work with an automated dcl routine?- >> Any success stories?a  L I'm not familiar with cdwrite, but I know cdrecord + VD (virtual disk, newerH version known as LD) works great with VMS for creating disk images.  And" yes, you can automate it with DCL.   Here's what I don't know:4  D 1.  Will cdrecord (or cdwrite) work with IDE CD burners on an Alpha?  > 2.  Will those programs work in CD-RW mode?  I'm guessing yes.  H 3.  Can you jam a full-size CD-RW drive into a DS10L if you toss out the CD/floppy combo?  H One thing though -- A CD doesn't give you all that much backup capacity.I As long as you're writing your backup data to IDE anyway, consider an IDEuI hard drive.  It's officially unsupported, but so is the IDE CDRW I think.x  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:35:42 -0500# From: "Island" <sales@islandco.com>a Subject: Dumping: AS1000a 4/266t/ Message-ID: <usfibus621ige7@news.supernews.com>o  ' We have 8 left of the following system:a   PB74x-xx Alphaserver 1000a 4/266" CDROM andmFLoppy included . No memory (uses ind. std 72pin Parity (X x 36)$ 2 x 2GB Disk Storageworks WIde 16Bit On board Video   Price each is $550   30 days warranty    $ Shipping within the USA is about $90. International pricing for shipping is $200-300  
 Thanks all       -- David B Turner	 Sales Dpth Island Computers US Corporationg 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 180s Savannah GA 31404r Tel: 912 447 66224 Fax: 912 201 0096O sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com' http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htm0   We sell Alpha Systems !C* All emails are checked for Virus and Worms   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:20:20 GMT51 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> ( Subject: Encompass Electioneering Begins, Message-ID: <3dSx9.43901$bG.39372@rwcrnsc53>  D Snagged from www.openvms.org. Opinions are those of Ken Farmer. As a* Director, I am not entitled to an opinion.  / Reminder: Vote for Encompass Board of Directors4I You only have two weeks to vote for Encompass BOD's. OpenVMS.org supports L Clay Denton who really seems to have a grasp on the issues and what needs toK be done to raise Encompass out of the ashes, not to mention nobody else hasOA put in the same amount of volunteer effort as he has. In addition I OpenVMS.org supports Kristi Browder. Both of the candidates will do their H best, in our view, to fight the current bureaucracy that has bogged down% Encompass for the past several years.    -- Terry C. Shannon+ Who had nothing to do with this endorsement9+ Consultant and Publisher, Shannon Knows HPC1% Director at Large, Encompass US, Inc.F terryshannon@attbi.com http://www.openvms.org6 Stay tuned for new email and cell number Real Soon Now   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 06:56:45 GMT0- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)  Subject: Re: errno equivalent:5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-qLxXwIhLG9T1@localhost>   C On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:30:00 UTC, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) F wrote:   BIG Snip  D > Onthe other hand, in Fortran there are some values stored that you$ > can get via the ERRSNS subroutine: >  >     ERRSNS > = >        ERRSNS ([io-err] [,sys-err] [,stat] [,unit] [,cond])0 >  >        Class:  Subroutine0 > H >        Returns information about the last Fortran error that occurred.K >        The arguments are all return values and must be defined as integere% >        variables or array elements:a > A >           io-err    Stores the most recent Fortran error numberA= >                     that occurred during program execution. A >                     The value is zero if no error has occurred.  > A >           sys-err   Stores the most recent RMS STS status code.E > B >           stat      Stores the most recent RMS STV status value.B >                     This status value provides additional status" >                     information. > A >           unit      Stores the logical unit number (if the lastE7 >                     the last error was an I/O error).N > > >           cond      Stores the actual processor value.  This+ >                     value is always zero.=  F I've always used this as a means of obtaining the VMS (originally RSX)B error code when a Fortran error status is indicated during an i/o B statement. e.g. READ (ERR=...)  or (OPEN ERR=). Nowadays, I check  IO_STATUS of course.  F This gave me the ability to give the user a better error message than C 'Open Failed'. On RSX, I defined a text on the basis of the IE.xxx E+ error code, under VMS I can use PUTMSG (?).S   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:08:26 +1100$1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>H Subject: Re: errno equivalent*, Message-ID: <3DC78A8A.9000708@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Dave Weatherall wrote:E > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:30:00 UTC, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) _ > wrote: > 
 > BIG Snip >  > D >>Onthe other hand, in Fortran there are some values stored that you$ >>can get via the ERRSNS subroutine: >> >>    ERRSNS >>= >>       ERRSNS ([io-err] [,sys-err] [,stat] [,unit] [,cond])I >> >>       Class:  SubroutineE >>H >>       Returns information about the last Fortran error that occurred.K >>       The arguments are all return values and must be defined as integerA% >>       variables or array elements:  >>A >>          io-err    Stores the most recent Fortran error number = >>                    that occurred during program execution.NA >>                    The value is zero if no error has occurred.R >>A >>          sys-err   Stores the most recent RMS STS status code.  >>B >>          stat      Stores the most recent RMS STV status value.B >>                    This status value provides additional status" >>                    information. >>A >>          unit      Stores the logical unit number (if the last=7 >>                    the last error was an I/O error).t >>> >>          cond      Stores the actual processor value.  This+ >>                    value is always zero.w >  > H > I've always used this as a means of obtaining the VMS (originally RSX)D > error code when a Fortran error status is indicated during an i/o D > statement. e.g. READ (ERR=...)  or (OPEN ERR=). Nowadays, I check  > IO_STATUS of course. > H > This gave me the ability to give the user a better error message than E > 'Open Failed'. On RSX, I defined a text on the basis of the IE.xxx E- > error code, under VMS I can use PUTMSG (?).R > 0 How about SYS$GETMSG, or LIB$SIGNAL or LIB$STOP.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************U  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedR> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with EC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesE> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************M   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:44:46 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: errno equivalentU9 Message-ID: <KiNx9.2982$3e2.662649@news20.bellglobal.com>=  1 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in messageS* news:01C2818F.EE00A000@sulfer.icius.com..." > Depends on your language, Johan. >VF > In C errno is supported, and it's thread safe; ie you get a separateJ > errno for each thread (unlike Windows (hawk, spit)). In BASIC there's anI > system-maintained integer called ERR that contains the last error. Then[ > there's $status in DCL.T >A  . In Compaq-BASIC you've actually got 4 choices:  J 1. "err" is the most recent Compaq-BASIC error. You can use "ert$(err)" to? return the error text and "erl" to return the error line numberS  I 2. VMSSTATUS is the most recent OpenVMS error condition when trapped by a * BASIC error handler (like BASIC error #12)  N 3. RMSSTATUS(channel#, STATUS) and RMSSTATUS(channel#, VALUE) can provide more- insight into some strange disk i/o conditionsB  M 4. the return code from the "functional version" of OpenVMS system calls (eg. 9 rc% = lib$getjpi(foo) ) will indicate success or failure.   E In the case of the last three, you may wish to run the number throughdI sys$getmsg() to turn it into something useful for a log file. Click here: F http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/demo_vms/basic-display-sys-errors.zipM for a Compaq-BASIC demo on how to do this. BTW, this method can be adapted toi any other OpenVMS language.a  M Note that $status in DCL will only contain the exit code of the program. ManysN Compaq-BASIC programs just finish with "end". However, if you end your program
 like this:   my_code = 2p end program (my_code)e  J then $status will contain the value 2 (error in this case). But I've found& this exit method a little more useful:   my_reason = 1000 my_code = 2a( end program (my_reason * 1024 + my_code)   then in DCL you go:   7 $my_status = $status            ! save a copy of status E $my_error = (my_status .and. 7) ! 0=warning, 1=success, 2=error, etc.t0 $if my_error .ne. 1             ! if not success $then-! $    my_reason = my_status / 1024,* $    write sys$output "reason: ",my_reason $    goto do_something_else: $endif      
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,l Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:50:30 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>a Subject: Re: errno equivalenth9 Message-ID: <6oNx9.2983$3e2.663100@news20.bellglobal.com>h  ? "Johan Nilsson" <johan.nilsson@esrange.ssc.se> wrote in messagee7 news:c3c6388a.0211010652.2d24328e@posting.google.com...  > Hi,n > A > are there any native errno (*nix) or Get/SetLastError() (Win32)@D > equivalent under OpenVMS, or do you always have to store condition) > values returned by the system services?r >i
 > // Johan  2 You may find these online Compaq-C manuals useful:; http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/index_alpha.htmll4 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/5492P.HTM4 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/6180P.htm4 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/5763P.htm  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,s Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:08:47 +1100L From: forSALTsythm@optushome.com.aSALTu (Mark(desalinate for e-mail)Forsyth)D Subject: Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month9 Message-ID: <slrnasf9lu.63.forSALTsythm@plague.bogus.com>   c On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:49:45 GMT, Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> gushed forth:w >$ typ tmp.com+ >$First=f$cvtime("1-"+p1,"absolute","date")tD >$Days=f$loc(f$extr(0,2,f$cvt(First,,"WEEKDAY")),"SaFrThWeTuMoSu")/2@ >$First_Saturday=f$cvtime(First + "+''Days'-","absolute","date")D >$Third_Saturday=f$cvtime(First_Saturday + "+14-","absolute","date")9 >$write sys$output "''first', ''Days', ''First_saturday',b >''Third_Saturday'"     - Hmmm. Neat. I NEVER would've thought of that.h  	 [deletia]I     --   Ooroo 	 Mark F...o    $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/c  H Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 17th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3168   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:51:32 +0000O( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>D Subject: Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month) Message-ID: <3DC7BED4.75E35F06@127.0.0.1>O   Hein van den Heuvel wrote: >  > $ typ tmp.comc ...   H I've used a similar method, but using the full dayname, and of course by9 swapping the order of days you can select different days.a  F Many years ago I wrote a company calendar calculator in DCL based on aD 4-4-5 week format. Then the company broke it because they decided toF have year end on the 31st of December, not when it "should be", and weH ended up with 6 weekers and all sorts of complications which couldn't be programmed :-(   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences0 nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:10:10 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comD Subject: Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month? Message-ID: <OFC3D06655.C3B62EF1-ON85256C68.004DDA8D@metso.com>O  D We have that now, but "which couldn't be programmed :-(" sounds like  8 a challenge you should have embraced, not spurned  ;-) .        < Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> on 11/05/2002 07:51:32 AM  4 Please respond to Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: G Subject:    Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each MonthC     Hein van den Heuvel wrote: >  > $ typ tmp.comD ..  H I've used a similar method, but using the full dayname, and of course by9 swapping the order of days you can select different days.-  F Many years ago I wrote a company calendar calculator in DCL based on aD 4-4-5 week format. Then the company broke it because they decided toF have year end on the 31st of December, not when it "should be", and weH ended up with 6 weekers and all sorts of complications which couldn't be programmed :-(   --? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences= nclews at csc dot comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:55:32 +0000i( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>D Subject: Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month) Message-ID: <3DC7E9F4.ECA9B7AF@127.0.0.1>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > F > We have that now, but "which couldn't be programmed :-(" sounds like > : > a challenge you should have embraced, not spurned  ;-) .  D If you've managed to get logic in code line up with the innards of a1 Financial Director's head you deserve a medal :-)C  ; I had a phrase based on my personal opinion, which for bothNC professionalism, and the fact ladies are present, I'll refrain fromS
 repeating. -- G? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesR nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:50:16 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyo Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site.. Message-ID: <3DC7DAA8.9090008@nospamn.sun.com>   John McLean wrote: >  > Syltrem wrote: >  >>I didn't answer the survey.SJ >>I replied to the email saying that I will complete the survey as soon as$ >>OpenVMS is listed as a "platform".. >>That has worked before with other companies. >>Let`s see what HP does.E >>	 >>Syltrem  >  >  > E > Not replying specifically to you but to a bunch of postings in thisE > thread ... > C > The survey looks like it is about Java development and as I foundMF > recently, I would just about need a lobotomy to use java on VMS if I/ > don't use a database for the underlying data.S >   2 You are aiming your complaint at the wrong target.  3 It is unrealistic to assume that Java itself shouldH5 support specific file access methods like RMS it is aI= cross platform development environment. A quick check through < K&R or the Fortran specs will also reveal that there is also1 no support in these "standards" for RMS directly.U  ; It is however fair to ask the supplier of the filesystem in_> this case HP where their JDBC or other standard Java interface is for RMS.(  < And they do exist, so it would appear that you simply havn't8 assembled the correct set of tools (with Java) to do the job you are trying to do.   5 Many people regard RMS as being equivalent to a DBMS,B5 if so compare your complaint against what you can getH4 for any of the DBMS's. They all provide JDBC support5 perhaps you should be jumping up and down and gettingT4 the supplier of RMS to do a proper job of supporting8 it with Java, rather than complaining about Java itself.   Regards  Andrew Harrisonn       Regardse   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:59:53 +0000w( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Sitee) Message-ID: <3DC7EAF9.90F9EF80@127.0.0.1>N  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > 7 > Many people regard RMS as being equivalent to a DBMS,E ...   # Some people confuse RMS with a DBMSE   Sigh.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesV nclews at csc dot comE   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:21:11 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: HP Advocacy SiteI2 Message-ID: <K9WdnWNu9qaZY1qgXTWc3w@metrocast.net>  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message[# news:3DC7EAF9.90F9EF80@127.0.0.1...S* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > >S > >_9 > > Many people regard RMS as being equivalent to a DBMS,l > ...) > % > Some people confuse RMS with a DBMSN  G But there's no obvious indication that Andrew is one of them, since his;E statement had to do with (limited, of course) equivalence rather than J identity.  RMS is certainly a suitable facility to use for many tasks thatJ might otherwise be farmed out to a DBMS (though in many ways that might beH overkill), and in particular can be used through interfaces (e.g., ODBC,J IIRC) similar to those used to access databases from various environments.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:51:42 +00002 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> Subject: HP ServiceR4 Message-ID: <20021105165142.D21980@eisenschmidt.org>  A My little DS10s have quite a racket going. When we got them 12-18CC months ago, CESIUM was naughty for several months (excessive shadow C merges, crashes, etc), which was finally resolved after five or six)D visits from Compaq (it turned out to be a bad SCSI cable). Once thatA  got fixed, the other one (BARIUM) blew a power supply (actually D just the fan). P  ? They've been good for about a year, and then BARIUM got sick in_D October. It had machine checked three times (May, July, and October)E before I finally logged a call (most of the times I didn't noticed it_@ had even crashed until days later because the app it runs is RMS? based). It turned out to be a bad DIMM, but HP only brought oneSD replacement out, and ended up making the problem worse. I had to runD with 1/2 the ram until they brought two replacement DIMMs a few daysE later. I would think if they operate in pairs you'd replace the pair,IA especially since they're a little finicky about part revisions it  seems, but I'm not HP.  A CESIUM apparently felt left out, and machine checked last week. IEC called and opened a case, and it turns out the dcache in the CPU is_: bad (only has one cpu), so they have field support bring aB replacement. Except they bring the motherboard for a DS10L (and 23B revisions news -- 23 revisions?), and I promise it took more than ( 4 hours (like a day more than 4 hours).   ? So the tech had to order another motherboard, and he'll be back . tomorrow or so, depending on when it gets in.   E Now, I could complain about the build quality of the DS10, but I know B they're the welfare Alpha, and frankly they're at least double theD power we actually need. The reason we keep 24/7/4 support on them isF because we know they're the welfare Alpha, and we're a 9 by 5 shop, so? we can eat a little down time. But HP's support, which was onlylE mediocre when it was Compaq, has gotten worse. I could have bought ankD entire DS10 for what a year of maintenance is (in fact I argued thatC point internally), so do you think HP could bring two dimms and nota& just one? Is that really a lot to ask?  D IBM came in the other day, begging us to dump our Alphas and our SunD Fires and get RS/6000s and AS/400s. I have to say I'm partial to VMSE and Solaris over OS/400 and AIX, but I have yet to have HP show up topD fix something (a) with the right part the first time, and (b) beforeE it actually breaks, having been notified by the system itself. I knownB that WEBES/DESTA/RCM is supposed to do that to some degree, but itF doesn't, and certainly not like IBM does. Nothing beat IBM showing up:D "I'm here to replace the hard drive in your 400" "We didn't call for7 support." "No, the 400 did". Just like the commercial. d  B Of course, maybe the larger customers get that? Who knows. Anyway, today's lesson:a  
 	-yea IBM!	 	-boo HP!p   -- i/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>rC    Public Key   |  http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/pgp.asclD    Fingerprint  |  5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2J Is this mail an attachment? http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.html  C "Don't you want a Fanta?" --  http://www.fantanas.com/fantanas.htmlh   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:04:47 -0500> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> Subject: RE: HP ServiceCM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3D93@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>o  + Sorry you are having some problems with HP.   H I would only point out that WEBES can dial out and/or sent out over the F Internet problems to HP, such that HP shows up at your door much like  (and IMHO, better than) IBM.   :) jck
 John Koska   > -----Original Message-----; > From: John Eisenschmidt [mailto:jweisen@eisenschmidt.org] + > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:52 AMa > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn > Subject: HP Servicep >  > C > My little DS10s have quite a racket going. When we got them 12-18 E > months ago, CESIUM was naughty for several months (excessive shadowmE > merges, crashes, etc), which was finally resolved after five or six2F > visits from Compaq (it turned out to be a bad SCSI cable). Once thatC >  got fixed, the other one (BARIUM) blew a power supply (actually @ > just the fan). t > A > They've been good for about a year, and then BARIUM got sick in.F > October. It had machine checked three times (May, July, and October)G > before I finally logged a call (most of the times I didn't noticed it B > had even crashed until days later because the app it runs is RMSA > based). It turned out to be a bad DIMM, but HP only brought oneeF > replacement out, and ended up making the problem worse. I had to runF > with 1/2 the ram until they brought two replacement DIMMs a few daysG > later. I would think if they operate in pairs you'd replace the pair,eC > especially since they're a little finicky about part revisions ith > seems, but I'm not HP. > C > CESIUM apparently felt left out, and machine checked last week. IwE > called and opened a case, and it turns out the dcache in the CPU iss< > bad (only has one cpu), so they have field support bring aD > replacement. Except they bring the motherboard for a DS10L (and 23D > revisions news -- 23 revisions?), and I promise it took more than * > 4 hours (like a day more than 4 hours).  > A > So the tech had to order another motherboard, and he'll be backo0 > tomorrow or so, depending on when it gets in.  > G > Now, I could complain about the build quality of the DS10, but I knowdD > they're the welfare Alpha, and frankly they're at least double theF > power we actually need. The reason we keep 24/7/4 support on them isH > because we know they're the welfare Alpha, and we're a 9 by 5 shop, soA > we can eat a little down time. But HP's support, which was onlyvG > mediocre when it was Compaq, has gotten worse. I could have bought anoF > entire DS10 for what a year of maintenance is (in fact I argued thatE > point internally), so do you think HP could bring two dimms and not.( > just one? Is that really a lot to ask? > F > IBM came in the other day, begging us to dump our Alphas and our SunF > Fires and get RS/6000s and AS/400s. I have to say I'm partial to VMSG > and Solaris over OS/400 and AIX, but I have yet to have HP show up to9F > fix something (a) with the right part the first time, and (b) beforeG > it actually breaks, having been notified by the system itself. I knowhD > that WEBES/DESTA/RCM is supposed to do that to some degree, but itH > doesn't, and certainly not like IBM does. Nothing beat IBM showing up:F > "I'm here to replace the hard drive in your 400" "We didn't call for9 > support." "No, the 400 did". Just like the commercial. s > D > Of course, maybe the larger customers get that? Who knows. Anyway, > today's lesson:p >  > 	-yea IBM! > 	-boo HP!  >  > -- .1 > John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>tE >    Public Key   |  http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/pgp.ascrF >    Fingerprint  |  5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2 > Is this mail an attachment? . http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.html  C "Don't you want a Fanta?" --  http://www.fantanas.com/fantanas.htmlc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:46:19 +00002 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> Subject: Re: HP Servicei4 Message-ID: <20021105174619.E21980@eisenschmidt.org>  ] Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB) (John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com) Wrote: - > Sorry you are having some problems with HP.e  C Thanks - I appreciate it. I know I'm not the first person to have aiB problem with support of any kind. Non-IT people have no idea. It'sC like being in charge of having cable installed in a 100 houses in ah7 new housing development, all put in at different times.M  J > I would only point out that WEBES can dial out and/or sent out over the H > Internet problems to HP, such that HP shows up at your door much like  > (and IMHO, better than) IBM.  ; Yup, so I'm told. It's installed, it's "working correctly".m  D Actually I have a beef about that too. When you install it, you haveE to put the maintence agreement id and the duration in. I installed itgB in January. Since then, the agreement has expired (though I have a= new one). It provides no way for the customer to put in a newhE maintenance agreement, you have to uninstall and reinstall the app or  have HP dial in and "fix it".i  F Well, I couldn't get ca to work to analyze my dump.  I had to have HP D dial in and fix it. How dumb is that? Make it a layered product and E ship a PAK with each maintenance agreement. One piece of paper would  B be more than I got for the check we wrote for maintenance -- this  time or last. I MISS DECEVENT!  D If you want to make the argument that WEBES would have notified themC had my obligation been current, it didn't. The other system crashedeC twice while my obligation was current. Have you seen my technician?r  C One more thing: I opened both of these last two cases using the web)D submission system. (A) total pain in the ass to wait to have someoneD setup my account (B) why the hell am I submitting it online, only toE talk to a person? (C) why does field support make a courtesy call? If0F it's supposed to reassure me -- it doesn't. When I got the call HP wasF downstairs I bet $10 the system would be in a worse state than when heA left the last time, as it turned out neither of us won because heCD didn't do anything. Courtesy call != reassurance (D) everytime an HPE tech updates the ticket my session is killed (E) the notes in the webt0 system might as well be Greek. What the hell is:  C  *** NOTES 04-Nov-2002 16:19 Pulse_CBO Action Type: Interface notesc* Field engineer placed onsite call on hold.  ? supposed to mean? Sure I can guess, but the help system doesn'tdF translate HP into English. I'm sure someone thought it would be a goodF idea for customers to be able to see through the looking glass and getF an idea what you're doing, but personally I think it's worthless. It'sJ loaded with meaningless ETAs for when a tech arrive. The next time someoneE at HP thinks this system is helpful, dispatch a tech to fix somethingiD and then try and get in touch with them. I'm not saying they're lateG or lost, but I spent half a day once trying to find a tech because they F mumbled their pager number in my voice mail, and when I called the 800C number and gave them my case all they did was put a note in my caseoC for him to call. We could not track them down, and all the web case:F management system did was give me a false sense of reassurance that it# would help me find him. It didn't. V  F Ok that was five things. The tech I talked to on the phone was polite,D was helpful, but we spent 40 minutes fixing the WEBES/DESTA/CA mess,) only to have field bring the wrong part. h  E For a set of things that are supposed to make one's life easier, they  don't. 1   > :) jck > John Koska >  > > -----Original Message-----= > > From: John Eisenschmidt [mailto:jweisen@eisenschmidt.org]c- > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:52 AMn > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh > > Subject: HP Servicer > >  > > E > > My little DS10s have quite a racket going. When we got them 12-18-G > > months ago, CESIUM was naughty for several months (excessive shadowmG > > merges, crashes, etc), which was finally resolved after five or six H > > visits from Compaq (it turned out to be a bad SCSI cable). Once thatE > >  got fixed, the other one (BARIUM) blew a power supply (actually i > > just the fan). C > > C > > They've been good for about a year, and then BARIUM got sick in4H > > October. It had machine checked three times (May, July, and October)I > > before I finally logged a call (most of the times I didn't noticed it D > > had even crashed until days later because the app it runs is RMSC > > based). It turned out to be a bad DIMM, but HP only brought onemH > > replacement out, and ended up making the problem worse. I had to runH > > with 1/2 the ram until they brought two replacement DIMMs a few daysI > > later. I would think if they operate in pairs you'd replace the pair, E > > especially since they're a little finicky about part revisions itp > > seems, but I'm not HP. > > E > > CESIUM apparently felt left out, and machine checked last week. IaG > > called and opened a case, and it turns out the dcache in the CPU is:> > > bad (only has one cpu), so they have field support bring aF > > replacement. Except they bring the motherboard for a DS10L (and 23F > > revisions news -- 23 revisions?), and I promise it took more than , > > 4 hours (like a day more than 4 hours).  > > C > > So the tech had to order another motherboard, and he'll be back 2 > > tomorrow or so, depending on when it gets in.  > > I > > Now, I could complain about the build quality of the DS10, but I knownF > > they're the welfare Alpha, and frankly they're at least double theH > > power we actually need. The reason we keep 24/7/4 support on them isJ > > because we know they're the welfare Alpha, and we're a 9 by 5 shop, soC > > we can eat a little down time. But HP's support, which was onlyoI > > mediocre when it was Compaq, has gotten worse. I could have bought an H > > entire DS10 for what a year of maintenance is (in fact I argued thatG > > point internally), so do you think HP could bring two dimms and notR* > > just one? Is that really a lot to ask? > > H > > IBM came in the other day, begging us to dump our Alphas and our SunH > > Fires and get RS/6000s and AS/400s. I have to say I'm partial to VMSI > > and Solaris over OS/400 and AIX, but I have yet to have HP show up tolH > > fix something (a) with the right part the first time, and (b) beforeI > > it actually breaks, having been notified by the system itself. I know@F > > that WEBES/DESTA/RCM is supposed to do that to some degree, but itJ > > doesn't, and certainly not like IBM does. Nothing beat IBM showing up:H > > "I'm here to replace the hard drive in your 400" "We didn't call for; > > support." "No, the 400 did". Just like the commercial. t > > F > > Of course, maybe the larger customers get that? Who knows. Anyway, > > today's lesson:  > >  > > 	-yea IBM!
 > > 	-boo HP!l > >  > > -- l3 > > John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>aG > >    Public Key   |  http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/pgp.asctH > >    Fingerprint  |  5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2  > > Is this mail an attachment? 0 > http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.html > E > "Don't you want a Fanta?" --  http://www.fantanas.com/fantanas.html    -- s/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>rC    Public Key   |  http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/pgp.asc D    Fingerprint  |  5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2J Is this mail an attachment? http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.html  C "Don't you want a Fanta?" --  http://www.fantanas.com/fantanas.html    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 06:57:49 -0600a- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i> Subject: Re: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It3 Message-ID: <iAMdOto69Q0e@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  _ In article <OP2dnYSCGs8OZVugXTWcpw@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:e > ? >> The best estimate of OpenVMS's install base is about 411,000i > G > Now, that is truly amazing:  estimated VMS-related annual revenue haseI > dropped from $4 billion to $2 billion (perhaps even lower now), but itsjL > estimated installed base is *exactly* the same as it was back at its peak.  A    Just because if got some, doens't mean I'm currently paying HP     for anything.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:28:28 -0500- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>d> Subject: Re: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It5 Message-ID: <aq8o39$7m7j7$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>i   Keith Parris wrote:s@ > HP World News, published by Interex, included a pointer to theD > following article in the Oct. 31 issue of their e-mail newsletter. >29 > You can find this article on the Interex.org website ataH > http://www.interex.org/hpworldnews/hpw211/news9.jsp (while one must beH > a member of Interex to read it, there is a level of membership that is: > free -- see http://www.interex.org/member/benefit.html). >...  I Kerry, if you are out there get Leyland to print this on some nice glossy 2 paper and snail-mail a copy to everyone she knows.     --w Peter WeaverD Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer,A nor the company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it  sub-contracts to.e   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 08:30:59 -0800h, From: mike@akita-security.co.uk (Mike Riley)> Subject: Re: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It= Message-ID: <a26ed8f5.0211050830.2ee62cdc@posting.google.com>t  @ Can't you?  I was under the impression we posted a simple way toB do just this only around a month ago...  Funny how short memories  people have :)   --- Mike Riley - Security Systems manager @ Akitaa http://www.akita-security.co.uk.F ----------------------------------------------------------------------( "Security, performance, cost - pick two"    v keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message news:<cf15391e.0211041359.7f0a052d@posting.google.com>...@ > HP World News, published by Interex, included a pointer to theD > following article in the Oct. 31 issue of their e-mail newsletter. > 9 > You can find this article on the Interex.org website atlH > http://www.interex.org/hpworldnews/hpw211/news9.jsp (while one must beH > a member of Interex to read it, there is a level of membership that is: > free -- see http://www.interex.org/member/benefit.html). > ---   > You Can't Crack It or Crash It# > OpenVMS Inspires Loyal Following ] >  n >  by Susan B. Shora > A > For 25 years, OpenVMS and its predecessor VMS have been runningaH > unhacked and with extremely infrequent if not non-existent reboots, or$ > so say their very loyal followers. > G > "When you port to VMS, you know that the operating system is going tot> > be stable and just about bulletproof," said Champ Clark, whoE > administers the DeathRow OpenVMS cluster (www.deathrow.vistech.net)rG > under HP's hobbyist license program. A common refrain, said Clark andS? > others, is "OpenVMS uptime is measured in years, not months."t > @ > Clark started working on VMS as a teen. "I've always loved theA > handling of VMS and the security model it uses," he said. "It's G > incredibly stable, even under heavy loads. It's just a load of fun to F > use." He said he has also worked on HP-UX and other UNIX releases asG > well as Linux. His company, Vistech Communications (www.vistech.net),a > does networking and security.t >  > Back to DEC  > F > VMS has its roots in Digital Equipment Corp., where it ran on 32-bitB > VAX (Virtual Address eXtension) systems. DEC changed the name toD > OpenVMS when the operating system was ported to Alpha servers. TheH > name is unrelated to open source as we think of it today. OpenVMS is aF > proprietary OS. HP is now porting OpenVMS to Itanium using the AlphaC > source code so that Alpha users will get the same improvements as-7 > those who upgrade to the 64-bit Itanium architecture.  > < > "OpenVMS has many, many extremely loyal users," Bob Blatz,@ > Hewlett-Packard's director of OpenVMS marketing, told HP WorldE > Magazine. "It simplifies their life, simplifies their job. We're at 6 > the 25th anniversary, and it still has a long life." > E > Through the hobbyist program, individuals can get free licenses for G > the UNIX-based OpenVMS and the layered software products for VMS, butrH > they must purchase the distribution kit to get the binary code to run.F > The license allows non-commercial use of OpenVMS and the software. AE > similar program allows educational institutions to obtain a licenseaH > and use the OS and software for anything other than revenue-generatingF > functions. "It's nice to get back information around the cool thingsB > they've done," said Blatz, "but it also provides a way of havingA > people on [their] own initiative learn about the system, and it ) > provides a talent pool for businesses."  > D > The best estimate of OpenVMS's install base is about 411,000, withC > much of that in government, education, financial services, health>G > care, manufacturing and telecommunications, according to Blatz. ThosegG > industries all require high availability and security. OpenVMS allowsaE > 96 nodes per cluster and has featured clustering-now catching on inaE > Linux environments-since the mid-1980s. It can also handle disastereF > variant clustering, in which nodes can be as far apart as 500 miles. >  > A Homegrown Community  > B > Admirers of OpenVMS, like admirers of other OSes, have their ownF > community that helps solve problems and generate ideas. The DeathRowE > cluster, for instance, gives new users access to the DCL prompt and F > compilers as well as a bulletin board. Most in the OpenVMS communityF > swear by the system's security, going so far as to say that it can't > be hacked. > B > According to an entry on alt.ph.uk, a discussion group set up toD > discuss hacking and cracking, "you'd be hard pushed to find anyone9 > these days who has successfully hacked a fully secured,a< > enterprise-scale VMS machine. Which is not to say it's notB > possible-far from it. Indeed, shell code for VMS does exist in aB > Digital [sic] form, out there... somewhere :-)." The VMS section* > concludes, "Want a challenge? Hack VMS." > B > Others say the reason OpenVMS has not been hacked is its lack ofF > bandwidth. Hackers want to go where the notoriety is, where they canF > affect the most people. Blatz said, somewhat jokingly, that he likedH > to keep it quiet that VMS was so secure in order to avoid waving a red > flag at the hacker community.r > E > Blatz believes part of the reason OpenVMS was ahead of the curve onoF > issues such as clustering was just plain good business practice. "We: > spend a lot of time talking to our customers about theirA > requirements," he said. HP has an OpenVMS executive council and*G > several technical advisory forums, but loyalty is born of more than a-G > quarter decade of familiarity, Blatz said. "In addition to growing upvF > with it, you find out how useful it is, and you're not fighting it."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:22:32 -0500# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> > Subject: RE: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDAEFOCCAA.dallen@nist.gov>   	dZ 	Note: I'm certainly a part of the installed base but have contributed $0.00 in revenue to< 		VMS over the past 3 years. Still running but not paying...   	Dan   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]* > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:04 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como@ > Subject: Re: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash It >  >  > Bill Todd wrote: > > B > > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message; > > news:cf15391e.0211041359.7f0a052d@posting.google.com...n > >  > > ...  > > B > > > The best estimate of OpenVMS's install base is about 411,000 > > I > > Now, that is truly amazing:  estimated VMS-related annual revenue hasiK > > dropped from $4 billion to $2 billion (perhaps even lower now), but itsgN > > estimated installed base is *exactly* the same as it was back at its peak. > J > ...but that's good! If revenue is down and the user base the same, maybeJ > that means there have been price cuts that somehow escaped us - "stealth > marketing", y'know.a > G > In such case, we need to get the word out far and wide and OpenVMS isM8 > now affordable, even if the hardware it runs on isn't. > 9 > 1st step: increase the user base (revenues rise again).g > ? > 2nd step: sell more support contracts (revenues rise higher).s > G > 3rd step: make VMS-capable hardware that is affordable (revenues rise  > even higher).a > G > 4th step: use the reveue increases to advertise the living SPIT outtat$ > VMS! (Revenues rise higher still). > H > 5th step: when the user base reaches a sustainable level, pull back onG > marketing, but don't relapse back into "stealth" mode (revenues leveleC > off at a much higher, but much more sustainable level: due to the H > greater market penetration, loss of any one large customer or group of* > smaller ones does not kill the product). > - > Baby steps - slow and steady wins the race!- >  > -- e > David J. Dachtera5 > dba DJE SystemsN > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:57:12 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>2> Subject: Re: HP World News says You Can't Crack It or Crash ItI Message-ID: <YDTx9.164529$mxk1.1892@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   . "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> wrote in message4 news:JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDAEFOCCAA.dallen@nist.gov... > G > Note: I'm certainly a part of the installed base but have contributed. $0.00 in revenue tox< > VMS over the past 3 years. Still running but not paying...    + But that's true of any o/s from any vendor.6  L They only sure-fire way to increase revenues is to sell more product, not to: hold a knife up to the jugular of your existing customers.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:17:12 -0000/ From: "Adam Price" <adam+usenet@pappnase.co.uk>o Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 CDe5 Message-ID: <aq7r8u$7f4pj$1@ID-138239.news.dfncis.de>e    In news:3DC73D53.FBBF1A9@fsi.net0 ,David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> said: > Encompass - HP-ETS wrote:0 >>C >>> Thank you very much! As I said, I'd be glad to pay a reasonabled. >>> price for one, but I can live with free... >"" > Strictly my opinion (follows)... >( >> You do have to be a membera >h' > Well, that gets us up to the B+ mark.i > H > Anyone wanna try for an A-? How 'bout free to members, non-members pay. > $mumble (not more than two digits) plus S&H? >'' export mumble=$encompass_membership_feeT   There that should fix that.t Adam   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:06:42 -0800, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 CDm4 Message-ID: <aq8j9j$7of71$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  : "Encompass - HP-ETS" <KilleenJ@toast.net> wrote in message) news:usd8s6i82u16a3@corp.supernews.com...:K > It is likely that any member of Encompass will be able to request a CD of 7 > the conference presentations at no additional charge.D  K So let me get this straight.  Some (many?) of these presentations were made. byI HP employees, right?  And these are presentations regarding functions andu featuresF of HP products, like VMS, right?  And these features were put into the productsB to entice people to buy them (why else?).  And the company, HP, is
 supposedly8 interested in getting more people to use their products.  K And yet the distribution of the HP presentations is limited? (I won't arguen aboutoG the others).  This is exactly the wrong thing, like some kind of secretN society.F How does anyone expect VMS usage to increase if the information is not widely available?-   Jim-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:26:49 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 CDhI Message-ID: <djSx9.182025$Q3S.78282@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>v  7 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in messagei. news:aq8j9j$7of71$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de... >rH > So let me get this straight.  Some (many?) of these presentations were made > byK > HP employees, right?  And these are presentations regarding functions andc
 > featuresH > of HP products, like VMS, right?  And these features were put into the
 > productsD > to entice people to buy them (why else?).  And the company, HP, is > supposedly: > interested in getting more people to use their products. >sG > And yet the distribution of the HP presentations is limited? (I won'tn arguec > about I > the others).  This is exactly the wrong thing, like some kind of secrete
 > society.H > How does anyone expect VMS usage to increase if the information is not > widely available?n    J I could be caustically cynical in agreeing with you on this, however let's; look at a possible HP/Encompass point of view for a moment.s  E The conference, like all other conferences was held to enable certain0K messages to be delivered, techniques to be discussed, and as an opportunitygK for face-to-face discussions. The conference cost each participant money toC! defray the expense of holding it.m  J Like other conferences held previously by other vendors and organizations,K I'm sure that there were the usual trinkets (I wasn't there) such as canvas.I literature bags with logos, pens with logos, 'nerf' footballs with logos,iH peppermint candies wrapped within logo-encrusted foil, and all the otherH customary business-decision making necessities (also logo encrusted). AsJ part of this 'exclusive' environment, the organizers have decided that theI information that formed the heart of the presented part of the conference-L should be reserved for the exclusive use of the exclusive list of attendees,E just in the same way that the conference-exclusive peppermint candies-G wrapped within logo-encrusted foil are also not being sent to the greate0 unwashed who didn't pony up the money to attend.  H We are talking in some cases about some information that was given underH NDA's. Even though the information disclosed under the NDA will not helpK HP's market position vis-a-vis VMS one iota given that HP refuses to marketgJ VMS, it none the less must remain exclusive to those who attended and paidJ the money. That disclosing this information to the wide audience of peopleL who could not attend may improve the likelihood that HP gear, and OpenVMS inK particular, will not be unceremoniously dumped from hundreds, or thousands,t= of commercial customer sites clearly is of no interest to HP.f  L Rest assured that some of this information will eventually make its way intoK view...as part of an article in the Harvard Business Review, when they showlK that had HP disclosed the information on a timely basis to a wide audience,eI they would have been able to stem the erosion in their customer base thats" ultimately lead to its bankruptcy.    J Either all the foregoing, or HP really thinks that the money raised by theI CD sales can be booked in the 'VMS-related' category and will again bringt# annual sales back to the $4B level.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:56:04 +0200l* From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>$ Subject: Icons on Eisner...continued* Message-ID: <3DC80634.5070002@tzora.co.il>  4 Well, my browser at home now sees icons from Eisner.$ Thanks to whoever made the changes!!  	 examples: E http://eisner.encompasserve.org/vms/vmsfaq.html (only the first page -
 thus far.) orD http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/ (icon here a trifle more  ambitious.)@   Ta'.   Mike -- R  & New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmF More hopefully useful links at http://eisner.decusserve.org/~rechtman/E ---------------------------------------------------------------------eE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.a? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*NE Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337jC    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"cE ---------------------------------------------------------------------s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:04:36 GMTt2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: Icons on Eisner? + Message-ID: <3DC7A52D.6D439562@digital.com>    JF Mezei wrote:o >  > Mike Rechtman wrote:2 > >     <link rel="shortcut icon" href="vms.ico" >: > >     <link rel="icon" type="image/ico" href="vms.ico" > > ) > >     However, adding the same lines ton5 > >     http://eisner.decus.org/~rechtman/index.htmlxt > >     shows no icon image. <some snipped....>N > Out of curiosity, how is the browser supposed to render your 2 <LINK lines ?N > The documentation about the <LINK tag is very hazy on what they are actuallyL > supposed to DO. They just show nice examples of what you could do (provideP > links to many language versions of the same document for instance, but nothing3 > about how a browser is supposed to handle those).e  F Well in CSWB (Mozilla on OpenVMS) it shows the icons in two places: in the URL search field, C and on the tab header if tabs are enabled. It does _not_ show up in 
 bookmarks.  6 And yes, the OSU server has .ico defined as image/icon   Mike   -- gE ---------------------------------------------------------------------tE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.i? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*nF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------n -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------e   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 03:56:32 -0800t  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser)9 Subject: Re: installing the Adobe Acrobat Viewer for Javad= Message-ID: <2178d61f.0211050356.1bc3507d@posting.google.com>d  i peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<jjWv9.41080$aa2.475849@news.chello.at>...iW > In article <CFN375594785171181@news.felk.cvut.cz>, Jiri Kulhan <lars@post.cz> writes:tK > >I've got Viewer running with 1.1.8-5 with no problem. Just followed the  C > >install guide on openvms.compaq.com. But yes, it's slow as hell.e > H > Yes, so did I. But for newer JAVA one needs the Apple supplied stub...  8 I want toget up the acrobat viewer running under openvms     HW:e   Alpha station 250 4/266 
 RAM 128 MB   Alpha station 600 5/266/
 RAM 192 MB     SW:s   Open VMS Alpha 7.2-1 VMS0721-update-v0300 patch kit ACRTL v4.0  patch kitn JAVA SDK 1.2.2-3  D I followed exactly the instructions on the E-business CD from compaq
 when i do  $java "install"  java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:a $a  ; in the cd it is said that JAVA 1.1.8 or higher is required.s   Dirk munk wrote:  G Don't try to use it. It will not work with any Java version newer then  + 1.1.8 (even if Adobe claims that it will).     so my question:   A Why does it not function with java 1.2.2-3 or any version newer ? - what is the maximum version that support it ?    can anyone help ?p thanks   Nazim Manser   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 07:16:37 -0600a- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n9 Subject: Re: installing the Adobe Acrobat Viewer for Javae3 Message-ID: <x5Fy2r7FF5$y@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  ` In article <2178d61f.0211050356.1bc3507d@posting.google.com>, nmanser@progis.de (Manser) writes: > F > I followed exactly the instructions on the E-business CD from compaq > when i do  > $java "install" ! > java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:  > $   E    I don't think I ever did get those instructions to work.  IIRC therA    classpath wasn't set correctly or the class name was more thansE    "install".  I had to do some reverse engineering to figure it out.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:58:48 +0000l' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyw@ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek. Message-ID: <3DC7DCA8.6000908@nospamn.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:Y > In article <01C281A0.CD15E5B0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:A > B >>How many people are working on the conversion is nowhere near asJ >>important as whether the final product will be worth using. If Itanium'sJ >>performance doesn't improve drastically the move will make VMS unviable. >> >  > A > 	Recent articles talk about Madison (Itanium 3) being a 30-50% -H > 	performance improvement over Itanium 2.  If we chose 40% as a guess, 2 > 	that would put Madison at or near these values: >   < Very recently you predicted a 50% performance improvment for: IA-64 because of its increased cache size, what happend to that ?   Regardss Andrew Harrisonn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:10:10 GMTi1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>s@ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek= Message-ID: <mbRx9.82291$bt.141343@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>y  E According to Dr. Dileep Bhandarkar, who obviously knows less than thenK assembled Usenet multitude, it will be a number of years before Itanic hitsy+ the desktop. This gives AMD an opening, no?a    L For more details on what went on at HP ETS2002, purchase my newsletter. What% you get for nothing is worth nothing.   5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message & news:3DC31936.6050104@tsoft-inc.com... > Daryl Jones wrote: >o2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE news:<UYgv9.86381$mxk1.78654@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...r > >': > >>"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message% > >>news:3DBD8644.5070705@MMaz.com..., > >>G > >>>If Intel were to release an 64-bit X86, they would undermine theirs IA-64 L > >>>efforts!  This could create serious problems for us VMS folks expectingL > >>>to run on IA-64 because what was the Compaq rational for killing Alpha?< > >>> Not enough volume to support the design and fab costs. > >>>-G > >>>So, if Intel does introduce a 64-bit X64 for the desktop, you know A > >>>manufacturers will introduce servers based on that chip set,b essentiallyl. > >>>killing high volume demand for the IA-64. > >>> K > >>>Am I the only one that sees the irony of this?  A major porting effortkI > >>>of VMS to another 'low volume and essentially proprietary' chip set? K > >>> Worse yet, a chip set that HP/Compaq doesn't directly control and maya9 > >>>not even be as fast as the Alpha that was abandoned?h > >>>  > >>A > >>No Barry, you aren't the only one who sees the irony of this.i > >>L > >>However all that do see the irony don't occupy executive level positions at > >>HP.  > >> > >n > > Gentlemen: > >eI > > Before the HP-COMPAQ merger, both HP and Compaq annouced that I64 wasoG > > to be their chip of the future. Compaq gave the Alpha technology to I > > Intel. The Merced/Itanium chip performance would be camparable to thed > > EV7. >a >t6 > How much crippling of EV7 will be required for this? >,A > > What made the Alpha performance was not only the chip but theeE > > compilier technology. Intel in this area was ten years behing theg
 > > Alpha. >b >hJ > So what are you saying here?  10 years behind in compiler technology, or 10! > years behind in CPU technology?a >yC > > By 2004, HP will have only one architecture to work with ratheraG > > than two and it is out of the hardware business to boot. I wouldn't4 > > worry about VMS. >m >cK > The only people that should not worry about VMS are those that don't givea a damnI > about VMS.  If you have a desire to see VMS survive, then you should bes very
 > worried. >sL > When Hammer forces Intel to compete, (Yamhill), then IA-64 is D-E-A-D!  It mayrJ > quiver for a while, but who other than HP will buy it.  Surely not Dell, whoi$ > will go with the MS prefered chip. >n7 > > There are about 25 programmers in NH working on the H > > conversion from Alpha to Intel. The jobs were posted in DICE several > > months ago.5 >v >0D > Fine.  I'm all for such a port.  I do wonder whether such would be occuringL > without the Intel financing.  Who will finance the port to Yamhill/Hammer? >e >i > Dave >t   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 09:19:17 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e@ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek3 Message-ID: <EQ40nAUahh78@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  X In article <3DC7DCA8.6000908@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >  >  > Rob Young wrote:Z >> In article <01C281A0.CD15E5B0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: >> oC >>>How many people are working on the conversion is nowhere near asoK >>>important as whether the final product will be worth using. If Itanium'slK >>>performance doesn't improve drastically the move will make VMS unviable.  >>>n >>   >> oB >> 	Recent articles talk about Madison (Itanium 3) being a 30-50% I >> 	performance improvement over Itanium 2.  If we chose 40% as a guess, e3 >> 	that would put Madison at or near these values:p >>   > > > Very recently you predicted a 50% performance improvment for< > IA-64 because of its increased cache size, what happend to > that ? >   > 	50% was my guess.  Since then, publically Intel has stated a = 	30-50% increase.  I guess I am on the high-end.  However, ita? 	shouldn't be too much of a stretch.  twolf and two others willn? 	fit entirely in L3, boosting SpecInt considerably.  eon at 1.5aF 	Mbytes , a large chunk of that will fit in L2 (L2 at or near 1 MByte?@ 	I don't know but surely larger than McKinley) at 5 cycle accessD 	and 1.6+ GHz clock, eon should get a considerable boost (percentageD 	and number-wise) over its base of 1004, etc.  Compiler improvements3 	and larger caches should help SpecInt quite a bit.t 	Some of that shown here:t  C http://www.specbench.org/osg/cpu2000/papers/COMPUTER_200007.JLH.pdfl   				Robo   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:49:53 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>t@ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek2 Message-ID: <5xTx9.30$742.735346@news.cpqcorp.net>  H They were available pretty much all along.  We ordered and received themI many weeks ago.  The holdups were mostly due to certain options not beingdJ quite available, if you stripped the order of them - they went through.  I* believe that problem is now taken care of.  ! The rx2600 is a slick little box.n   Bill Todd wrote in message ... > ? >"Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message 8 >news:cf15391e.0211041347.4b7b3031@posting.google.com...2 >> Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message- >news:<01C281A6.6053E3E0@sulfer.icius.com>...yL >> > So far we've seen two versions of Itanium not so much in the wild as in >> > wildlife parks. >> >> The Inquirer says:m >>H >> "A glitch on the Web site meant that the ZX6000 wasn't easily visibleE >> while the ZX 2000, listed as on back order, is actually available,rB >> said Larry Mahoney, Itanium Product Manager at HP's workstation >> division in the US today. >>C >> In fact, said Mahoney, although the HP site showed the ZX2000 oneH >> backorder, it and the ZX8000 were readily available and could ship in >> four to five days.t >>* >> 'Both machines are shipping,' he said." >>+ >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6025m >iB >You should, however, note that all the HP statements in L'Inq areC >conspicuously in the present tense.  In other words, systems *are*n? >available, but there's no indication that they were yesterday.r >hJ >This is consistent with a discussion I recently had elsewhere:  HP's JulyG >8th press releases spoke glowingly about their new Itanic2 toys in the G >present tense, but I happened to notice that HP's SPEC submissions alluJ >listed *September* as the hardware availability date.  This is consistentI >with the earliest actual delivery date I've heard of (latish September),.I >which seems to suggest that the July launch was indeed a 'paper' one butnG >that at least some systems starting making it out the door a couple ofl >months later. >i >- billi >s >o >o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:09:00 +0100+ From: "Luca_B" <balzano-spam-avoid-@iol.it>u! Subject: looking for a DSSI cable ( Message-ID: <aq81m9$29dq$1@half.spin.it>   Hi all,U  H I've recently acquired a 4000/500 system and I'd like to build a clusterI configuration with my other 4000 system (a 4000/600) so I'm looking for at8 BC21M-xx cable (the one with two Pin Socket connectors).  ! thank you in advance for any help    Luca   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 09:46:45 -0000,4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>- Subject: Re: Microsoft strikes (itself) againl6 Message-ID: <20021105094645.19230.qmail@gacracker.org>  = On 4 Nov 2002, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:e> >   The following page would not open from Netscape 6.2 today: >I >      www.microsoft.com >a8 >   maybe they don't want those kind of people any more?  % Hmmm, I managed to open it with Lynx.r     Doc. -- h6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netf   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:46:36 +0100t: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>- Subject: Re: Microsoft strikes (itself) againt/ Message-ID: <aq80h6$ntk1@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>    Shane Smith wrote:  J > It's fine with Mozilla 1.2b, even while rejecting cookies and javascript > off. Interesting.y >  > Shaner  I I also use Mozilla V1.2b, it totally disturbs my screen and the graphics  # controller, the PC must be rebootett       >  > -----Original Message-----? > From: Jerome H. Fine [mailto:jhfineb9rv@b9rvnospamcompsys.to]l) > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:57 PMl > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC/ > Subject: Re: Microsoft strikes (itself) again  >  >i >D > >Dean Woodward wrote:i >n >e > >>Bob Koehler wrote:> > >>The following page would not open from Netscape 6.2 today: > >> www.microsoft.com; > >>   maybe they don't want those kind of people any more?t > >aA > >I never got along with NS 6.x.  The above page works for NS 7.6 >s >d > Jerome Fine replies: > ? > I just tried with Netscape 4.78 - while it works, the page ise? > so difficult to read that it might as well have been blocked.r= > I used the mouse and clicked on one of the icons in the topg; > right hand corner and for some reason it all disappeared.D; > I guess that is what I was supposed to do with a web siteo, > that can't be used with standard software. >e > http://www.microsoft.com/h >  > Sincerely yours, >v
 > Jerome Fine" > --6 > To obtain the original e-mail address, please remove7 > the ten characters which immediately follow the 'at'. : > If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail9 > address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk 7 > e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can beP9 > obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the.0 > 'at' with the four digits of the current year. >      --    - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regards    Karl Rohwedder   iT-Ingenieurteam Ellernbruch 11 D-38112 Braunschweig   Telefon: +49 (531) 515521. Mobil:   +49 (172) 5434843 Telefax: +49 (531) 515531e. E.Mail:  karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.de   fr Volkswagen AGj K-DOE-11  
 Volkswagen AGn Brieffach 1811 38436 WolfsburgC   Telefon: +49 (5361) 9-28724s Telefax: +49 (5361) 9-71854p http://www.volkswagen.de   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:54:14 -07006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>- Subject: Re: Microsoft strikes (itself) againo0 Message-ID: <GQRx9.14$Vc2.27209@news.uswest.net>  K Thre a a lot of sites that PCMagazine discovered that Netscape 6.x wouldn'tcJ render.  The problem in this case is Netscape, since they didn't bother to test their browser.o  
 Mike Ober.  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:IvfVfu5dWmbR@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >t? >    The following page would not open from Netscape 6.2 today:  >$ >       www.microsoft.come >o9 >    maybe they don't want those kind of people any more?a >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:37:32 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>' Subject: Re: Monitoring NIC utilizationu) Message-ID: <3DC7915C.D0785155@127.0.0.1>W   Lyndon Bartels wrote:c  H > Today, I got asked "Is there a slowdown?" And I couldn't answer. I canB > see the number of packets going across the interface (TCPIP SHOW > INTERFACE) > I > But can I monitor, in real-time, or at least really close to real time,  > the load on a given NIC? > 
 > If so, how?.  % SDA, cos that's the type of guy I am.I  
 $ ANAL/SYS SDA> SHOW LAN/COUw  @ (Check each protocol, read off the numbers, repeat until fed up)  H Of course it does mean it is possible to write a program to extract this9 information perhaps some kind soul will tell us where the F offsets/locations are documented, probably in an already available STB in the system library.  E The SDA display does show some interesting statistics relating to the D network, e.g. excessive collisions, disconnections. I've quite often* used the output to beat up notwork people.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:30:35 -0500y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a' Subject: Re: Monitoring NIC utilizatione, Message-ID: <3DC80E4B.843BEAFE@videotron.ca>   Nic Clews wrote: > $ ANAL/SYS > SDA> SHOW LAN/COUa  ) Wow ! it even works on VAX ! :-) :-) :-) p  M Unsually, all the SDA neat tricks don't work on VMS, only on <cough> openVMS.a :-) :-).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:11:41 GMT-4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: OpenVMS & XDMCP0 Message-ID: <3DC7FBA0.48C5C1A9@blueyonder.co.uk>   "Georges A. Tomazi" wrote: >  > Hi - > . > I just installed OpenVMS 7.2 on a DEC Alpha. > : > TCP/IP is up and running, as well as CDE on the console. > G > Now, I'm trying to find out how can I use a  X remote display, such al( > X11 server running on a PC with XDMCP. > 
 > Any hints ?e > 	 > Thanks,  > 	 > Georgese >    XDM is in TCP/IP Services 5.1.   Regards,      -- e tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk m  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:43:53 GMTp" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>5 Subject: Re: Problem with /AUTOSTART_ON on VMS V7.3-1i& Message-ID: <3DC7BCE2.2D6B4582@hp.com>  H Yes, this is a known problem. VMS731_QMAN-V0100 will be released soon to fix this problem,sJ in the meanwhile, contact your local support center to get the new version of the queue manager.R   GuyV   John Johnstone wrote:v  G > There seems to be a problem with the /AUTOSTART_ON qualifier with VMS G > V7.3-1 and TCPIP V5.3 ECO 1.  The following command works on a system.( > running VMS V7.3 and TCPIP V5.3 ECO 1: >e: > $ INITIALIZE/QUEUE/START/AUTOSTART_ON=node2::"pr1:9100"-. >    /RECORD_BLOCKING/PROCESSOR=UCX$TELNETSYM- >    /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE) pr1d >IG > The same command issued on a system running VMS V7.3-1 and TCPIP V5.3n > ECO 1 results in:  > , >    %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name >o > and OPCOM messages:  >o; >    TCPIP$TELNETSYM - (PR1) Invalid /ON="host:port" formata >tF >    %QMAN-I-QUENOTSTART, queue PR1 could not be started on node NODE2 >A< >    -QMAN-I-QUEAUTOOFF, queue PR1 is now autostart inactive >n, >    -SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name >.H > The initialize command also works on VMS V7.3-1 if you use /ON instead > of /AUTOSTART_ON.S >P' > Has anyone seen this with VMS V7.3-1?t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:02:45 -0500a+ From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com> 5 Subject: Re: Problem with /AUTOSTART_ON on VMS V7.3-1 ' Message-ID: <3DC7B365.CCBB53@yahoo.com>r  F Thanks for the quick response.  Since this is a new system that's only@ under the standard warranty support, I hope I can get the system' registered for support just as quickly.      Guy Peleg wrote: > J > Yes, this is a known problem. VMS731_QMAN-V0100 will be released soon to > fix this problem,rL > in the meanwhile, contact your local support center to get the new version > of the queue manager.i >  > Guys   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 04:37:18 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e@ Subject: Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARENT (was: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE)3 Message-ID: <PQIomLMRjvl9@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  w In article <01KOIB0061XM9QXTOZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: J > SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE seems to work on 7.3 and 7.2.1-H1, but isn't inI > HELP.  Is this a deliberate omission, i.e. an undocumented feature, or 0% > is it a bug that it is not in HELP?  > K > (Actually, I was hoping that SHOW PROCESS/PARENT existed.  :-)  Who else o > has this on his wish list?)   D I see incredible semantic issues given the VMS habit of ignoring all/ after the first four characters of a qualifier:i   	SHOW PROCESS/PARENT 	SHOW PROCESS/GRANDPARENTt 	SHOW PROCESS/GREAT_GRANDPARENTd1 	SHOW PROCESS/GREAT_GREAT_GREAT_GREAT_GRANDPARENTb   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:03:26 +0100 (MET)n9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t@ Subject: Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARENT (was: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE); Message-ID: <01KOICYRSX2E9QXTOZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   M > > (Actually, I was hoping that SHOW PROCESS/PARENT existed.  :-)  Who else w  > > has this on his wish list?)  > F > I see incredible semantic issues given the VMS habit of ignoring all1 > after the first four characters of a qualifier:s >  > 	SHOW PROCESS/PARENT > 	SHOW PROCESS/GRANDPARENTo! > 	SHOW PROCESS/GREAT_GRANDPARENTl3 > 	SHOW PROCESS/GREAT_GREAT_GREAT_GREAT_GRANDPARENTc  0 No problem: SHOW PROCESS/PARENT[/GENERATION[=n]]  C In other words, the additional qualifier /GENERATION (with default m. /GENERATION=1) allows for more ancestors.  :-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:06:52 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ! Subject: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE ; Message-ID: <01KOIB0061XM9QXTOZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n  H SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE seems to work on 7.3 and 7.2.1-H1, but isn't inG HELP.  Is this a deliberate omission, i.e. an undocumented feature, or p# is it a bug that it is not in HELP?f  I (Actually, I was hoping that SHOW PROCESS/PARENT existed.  :-)  Who else t has this on his wish list?)    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 07:14:40 -0600h- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLEi3 Message-ID: <2e4ZhrGfRzAa@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  w In article <01KOIB0061XM9QXTOZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:-J > SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE seems to work on 7.3 and 7.2.1-H1, but isn't inI > HELP.  Is this a deliberate omission, i.e. an undocumented feature, or  % > is it a bug that it is not in HELP?D > K > (Actually, I was hoping that SHOW PROCESS/PARENT existed.  :-)  Who else a > has this on his wish list?)     :    Show process/subprocess will give you this information:   $spawn show processn) %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process KOEHLER_6 spawneda; %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process KOEHLER_6y  G  5-NOV-2002 09:05:33.10   User: KOEHLER          Process ID:   00009537H>                           Node: sensored         Process name: "KOEHLER_6"   " There are 2 processes in this job:     _FTA1222:m     KOEHLER_6 (*) 6 %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process _FTA1222: $n      What I really want are:  .       show process/quota=(authorized,consumed)8       show process/privileges=(authorized,current,image),       show device/blocks=(free,used,maximum)&       show device/files/process=<name>4       show device/files/process=<pid>/identificationC       show users/remote_node=<name or address>/protocol=<transport>a   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:25:09 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> % Subject: Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLEe; Message-ID: <01KOIHVBTKKS9QXTOZ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   M > > (Actually, I was hoping that SHOW PROCESS/PARENT existed.  :-)  Who else t  > > has this on his wish list?)  > < >    Show process/subprocess will give you this information: >  > $spawn show processe+ > %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process KOEHLER_6 spawnede= > %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process KOEHLER_6c > I >  5-NOV-2002 09:05:33.10   User: KOEHLER          Process ID:   00009537.@ >                           Node: sensored         Process name:
 > "KOEHLER_6"  > $ > There are 2 processes in this job: > 
 >   _FTA1222:e >     KOEHLER_6 (*)m8 > %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process _FTA1222:  C Right.  I was hoping for something like SHOW PROC/CONT/PARENT.  :-)f   >    What I really want are: > 0 >       show process/quota=(authorized,consumed): >       show process/privileges=(authorized,current,image). >       show device/blocks=(free,used,maximum)( >       show device/files/process=<name>6 >       show device/files/process=<pid>/identificationE >       show users/remote_node=<name or address>/protocol=<transport>o  B Many of these can be done with PIPE or a few lines of DCL, as the D information is available somehow.  Still, such enhancements will be  nice.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 NOV 2002 17:40:41 GMTD+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>o% Subject: Re: SHOW PROCESS/PARSE_STYLEe1 Message-ID: <5NOV02.17404126@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>   E In a previous article, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:t [snip] >    What I really want are: >  y0 >       show process/quota=(authorized,consumed): >       show process/privileges=(authorized,current,image). >       show device/blocks=(free,used,maximum)( >       show device/files/process=<name>6 >       show device/files/process=<pid>/identificationE >       show users/remote_node=<name or address>/protocol=<transport>e   Add: 	show device/files/nonames  D I don't want the filenames, just the processes with channels open to? the device.  For use when the disk is in mount-verify state and' show dev/files hangs.o   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVfH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:28:23 -0500b+ From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com>n) Subject: Re: Slow performance with BACKUPe) Message-ID: <3DC7C777.410AD989@yahoo.com>l   Rudolf Wingert wrote:- >  > Hello, > : > I did see a very slow performance with BACKUP. Scenario: > C >         Backup node = dual 500Mhz processor DS20 with 4GB memory.-= >         OpenVMS 7.1-2 AXP, backup media 2x73GB Seagate disk-: >         parallel BACKUP of 10 Alphas a two disk. Everery: >         disk is MSCP mounted on the backup node. The ten? >         Alpas are connected via 100BaseTX and the backup nodee? >         with 1000BaseSC. For the backup we used the followinghI >         command BACK/IMA/VER/REC DISKn: DISKm:[BACKUP]DISKn.IBCK/SAVE -?I >         /noCRC/GROUP=0. The disk's on board write cache was enabled -->d2 >         18.5MB/s possible throuput to the disks. > K > I started the backup last monday. Two backups will be processed till now.PJ > The complete backup will have less then 180GB --> less then 16GB/day -->A > less then 0.8GB/h. I did compute the following max. throughput:oH > min of (10*100Mb/s, 1000Mb/s, 2*18.5MB/s) = 37MB/s = 133MB/h --> afterH > three hour BACKUP must be finished. Does anybody have an idea why not?E > Is anything wrong with my calculation or anything else? Any help is-
 > welcome. > % > TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingert   A As others have mentioned, the Ethernet speeds you have quoted are G theoretical maximum data transfer rates.  It might be possible to reachvH 60 to 80% of that but in many cases, 20 to 40% is realistic.  If you areE seeing sustained disk throughput of 18.5 MB/s, that sounds high to me E but I really don't know what can be reached with recent disk drives. i  E The verify pass for a disk-to-disk backup can be slightly faster than B the backup pass since there is no overhead of extending the backupG saveset.  Therefore, the verify time will still be pretty much the sameaB as the backup pass.  The time required for the /record pass can beF significant if there are many files in the backup.  If you are runningH several backups simultaneously, the overall throughput will decrease dueH to the increase in overhead.  The default blocksize for savesets on disk? is 32256 so it's not likely that you'll see much improvement bya specifying /blocksize.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:53:00 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)" Subject: Re: smp license per card?. Message-ID: <aq90hs$ihq$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> writes in article <09AECF17AD8A2EB8.85053A913299723C.49CDEE1C31A896C4@lp.airnews.net> dated Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:58:40 -0500:t@ >How do I tell if we have loaded enough licenses (OPENVMS-ALPHA)) >to run all of the smp cards in a system?   G If you don't have enough units, the system will boot but networking andiK windowing will be disabled.  You will only be able to log into the console.p  E I think there's a way to display the info, but I don't remember it.  t  ? What do you have?  Somebody here can probably tell you how manys OPENVMS-ALPHA units you need.r  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgn> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:28:38 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a" Subject: RE: smp license per card?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEFOGAAA.tom@kednos.com>    If you look atC http://www5.compaq.com/products/software/info/refmat/swl_alpha.htmll  ) It will tell you how many units you need.t   >-----Original Message-----h4 >From: Keith A. Lewis [mailto:lewis@mazda.mitre.org]) >Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:53 AMe >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com# >Subject: Re: smp license per card?t >m > 0 >"Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> writes in articleD ><09AECF17AD8A2EB8.85053A913299723C.49CDEE1C31A896C4@lp.airnews.net>' > dated Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:58:40 -0500:hA >>How do I tell if we have loaded enough licenses (OPENVMS-ALPHA)i* >>to run all of the smp cards in a system? >cH >If you don't have enough units, the system will boot but networking andL >windowing will be disabled.  You will only be able to log into the console. >oD >I think there's a way to display the info, but I don't remember it. > @ >What do you have?  Somebody here can probably tell you how many >OPENVMS-ALPHA units you need. >h, >--Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org? >The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  >l >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.s; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).rB >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >- --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:49:17 +0100 From: "test" <test@test.com>
 Subject: teste3 Message-ID: <OLRx9.36215$I6.3635321@zwoll1.home.nl>a   test   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:45:24 GMTf+ From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com> $ Subject: Re: The Leper colony at ETS2 Message-ID: <EASx9.27$Q_1.467093@news.cpqcorp.net>  C I particularly enjoyed the birthday celebration at The Big Bang :-)c   -- Mike Kier - HP ETS leper0 Consultant, HP Consulting & Integration Services Cincinnati, OH, USAp mike.kier@hp.com  ' "Practice random acts of VMS marketing"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:31:46 -0000* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> Subject: Two TLZ30'sM Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E9FF@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>-  6 Just before these have to be consigned to 'Dusty Bin'   D Does anyone in the UK want a couple of TLZ30 Tapedrives (TK50 tapes) Standard Internal 5.25 fit.iC Suppose they could just be used as spares for the tape leaders etc.3  7 Replaced because I couldn't buy the TK50 Tapes anymore.    Regards    Andrew Robinsont   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:34:35 -0500# From: "Tom Cole" <tom.cole@sas.com>d+ Subject: VAX instruction set (was:: <None>)./ Message-ID: <aq8dst$chd$1@license1.unx.sas.com>o  H Okay, I have to ask... do you really mean 250,000 instructions?  I wouldG have guessed more like 300 instructions or thereabouts for the original G 11/780 architecture (not including PDP-11 instructions), unless you areh8 counting perrmutations of addressing modes or something?    D "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message7 news:8a646952.0211011535.5cd3d36d@posting.google.com...l [elided] >iC > Back in the 1980s, the VAX/VMS 11/780 was rated by DEC as a 1 MIPfH > machine. However, there was a brew-ha-ha with IBM over what was a MIP.H > This caused DEC to rate the VAX 11/780 as a 1 VUP machine instead of aF > 1 MIP machine. The origainal VAX processor had a 250,000 instructionE > set. The MicroVAX chip with its 150,000 instruction set was used innH > the MicroVAX I and II, then later in the VAX6000 and VAX7000 machines. > The Alpha is a RISC chip.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:09:38 GMT00 From: Abe <the_abreus@SPAMMERSCUM.altavista.net> Subject: VMS job posting sites?-8 Message-ID: <uonfsu4r59kmuqprmcbkogce7tfukj7ivn@4ax.com>  ? Do I dare ask where us ancient VMS people (with some Windows NTKC experience) have the best prospects for finding US jobs these days? 5 Any sites that (still) cater to these kinds of folks?-  5 ** Due to SPAM I no longer receive email responses ton' ** newsgroup postings, so don't bother.a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:56:00 -0500- From: "kenrbnsn1@rcn.com" <kenrbnsn1@rcn.com>e# Subject: RE: VMS job posting sites?e7 Message-ID: <410-22002112515560975@M2W084.mail2web.com>   @ >Do I dare ask where us ancient VMS people (with some Windows NTD >experience) have the best prospects for finding US jobs these days?6 >Any sites that (still) cater to these kinds of folks?  I I scan the usual web sites: Monster, DICE, JobCircle, DirectEmployers andJK some of the the not so usual sites (some of which are not free): guru=2Eco=r m,K sologig=2Ecom, flipdog=2Ecom (sometimes has old posts)=2E  I've also poste=  d myK resume on DICE and Monster and on my own web site=2E I've gotten a number =3 of= calls from recruiters that have found my resume on the Web=2Ed   Ken Robinson  D --------------------------------------------------------------------+ mail2web - Check your email from the web att http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:20:18 GMTI( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org># Subject: Re: VMS job posting sites? > Message-ID: <6dSx9.73000$dn3.2655335@twister.southeast.rr.com>  K OpenVMS.org has a forum specifically for OpenVMS job openings.  In additionp? there is a forum to pot your resume for potential head hunters.-   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.orgB        = "Abe" <the_abreus@SPAMMERSCUM.altavista.net> wrote in messagee2 news:uonfsu4r59kmuqprmcbkogce7tfukj7ivn@4ax.com...A > Do I dare ask where us ancient VMS people (with some Windows NT E > experience) have the best prospects for finding US jobs these days?c7 > Any sites that (still) cater to these kinds of folks?j > 7 > ** Due to SPAM I no longer receive email responses to ) > ** newsgroup postings, so don't bother.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:27:51 GMTn( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org># Subject: Re: VMS job posting sites?r> Message-ID: <bkSx9.73002$dn3.2656046@twister.southeast.rr.com>  A > there is a forum to pot your resume for potential head hunters.j  2 Inhale, cough, cough, exhale.  I meant "post."  :)   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org1        3 "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in message 8 news:6dSx9.73000$dn3.2655335@twister.southeast.rr.com...D > OpenVMS.org has a forum specifically for OpenVMS job openings.  In additionA > there is a forum to pot your resume for potential head hunters.o >w > -- >V > Kenneth Farmer > http://www.Tru64.org > http://www.OpenVMS.org > http://www.LinuxHPC.org  >r >m >e >p? > "Abe" <the_abreus@SPAMMERSCUM.altavista.net> wrote in messageo4 > news:uonfsu4r59kmuqprmcbkogce7tfukj7ivn@4ax.com...C > > Do I dare ask where us ancient VMS people (with some Windows NT G > > experience) have the best prospects for finding US jobs these days?H9 > > Any sites that (still) cater to these kinds of folks?  > >09 > > ** Due to SPAM I no longer receive email responses tot+ > > ** newsgroup postings, so don't bother.  >k >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:52:50 GMTp1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)h# Subject: Re: VMS job posting sites?e< Message-ID: <SzTx9.279318$121.8108702@twister.austin.rr.com>  1 Abe (the_abreus@SPAMMERSCUM.altavista.net) wrote:oA : Do I dare ask where us ancient VMS people (with some Windows NT E : experience) have the best prospects for finding US jobs these days?l :<  / Many U.S. IT jobs are being relocated overseas:3  K    http://portland.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2002/08/26/daily56.htmloJ    Intel holds job fairs for 'redeployed' employees, while hiring overseas  H   "Intel Corp., Oregon's largest technology employer, is proceeding withI    previously announced job cuts, while hiring software engineers for itse"    development center in India..."    =    http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4332783.htmsB    Mercury News | 10/21/2002 | Slowdown sending tech jobs overseas  I   "...Labor experts say no one knows how many engineering jobs the UnitedpK    States has lost because of the recent uptick in offshore outsourcing..."-    $    http://www.pcw.co.uk/News/11361700    vnunet.com US companies ship IT jobs offshore  F   "...Analyst Giga Information Group has announced that more than 200 E    of the Fortune 500 companies now ship software work overseas, and r>    that the Fortune 1000 companies are quickly following suit.  C    Forrester Research estimated that corporate budgets for offshoreeE    software outsourcing from the US will probably more than double byh    2004..."n     : 7 : Any sites that (still) cater to these kinds of folks?s :   A Too bad you specified US, since these two sites show 9 and 20 VMSc positions respectively:t      o http://naukri.com/ F      Naukri.com - India's largest jobs, careers and employment portal.      Over 50000 live jobso      o http://monsterindia.com/u,      Monsterindia.com -- More jobs for India    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailV   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:46:01 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>1 Subject: Re: VMS on Itanium not mission critical?h2 Message-ID: <WjmdnUV7edsrelqgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0211042048.46be5830@posting.google.com...o+ > billtodd@metrocast.com (Bill Todd) wrote:nJ > > Where it doesn't work well at all is where the hardware or software is not L > > 'fail-fast'.  If you don't use ECC memory, then unless you use lock-stepF > > hardware-comparator-monitored solutions no software will help you:J > > corrupted memory can cause your system to corrupt data without batting anG > > eye (i.e., no fail-over will occur, because no one knows anything's  wrong).tJ > > Same problem if your buses aren't parity- or ECC-protected, or if someG > > random piece of unqualified hardware (or, for that matter, your OS)  corrupts > > data without notice. > H > In light of the above, it's interesting to note that a report from theF > Microprocessor Forum indicates AMD's Opteron apparently doesn't evenD > bother to protect general register contents with parity, much less > ECC. > B > "Opteron implements ECC data protection mostly everywhere but itG > doesn't yet implement parity for internal registers.  Thus Opteron ist6 > not good enough yet for mission-critical servers" --* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5815  L While I'm reasonably sure from past articles that Paul Hales isn't qualifiedL to pass judgement on this particular point, it's certainly possible that youK are.  Lacking authoritative evidence right now, and given the attention theeE Hammer designers paid to RAS features everywhere else in the chip, my H suspicion is that, since the register file is part of the processor coreD itself rather than a separate cache section using traditional memoryK circuits, it no more needs such protection than other portions of the inner0G core do - but corrections from sufficiently-knowledgeable people are ofs course welcome.u   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:31:55 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>1 Subject: Re: VMS on Itanium not mission critical? 2 Message-ID: <XWGdnZr1peUVnVWgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0211042048.46be5830@posting.google.com...c+ > billtodd@metrocast.com (Bill Todd) wrote: J > > Where it doesn't work well at all is where the hardware or software is notaL > > 'fail-fast'.  If you don't use ECC memory, then unless you use lock-stepF > > hardware-comparator-monitored solutions no software will help you:J > > corrupted memory can cause your system to corrupt data without batting anG > > eye (i.e., no fail-over will occur, because no one knows anything'sS wrong).aJ > > Same problem if your buses aren't parity- or ECC-protected, or if someG > > random piece of unqualified hardware (or, for that matter, your OS)  corrupts > > data without notice. >iH > In light of the above, it's interesting to note that a report from theF > Microprocessor Forum indicates AMD's Opteron apparently doesn't evenD > bother to protect general register contents with parity, much less > ECC. > B > "Opteron implements ECC data protection mostly everywhere but itG > doesn't yet implement parity for internal registers.  Thus Opteron ise6 > not good enough yet for mission-critical servers" --* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5815 >lD > AMD would have to do another Hammer chip to correct this omission. >.G > Itanium was designed with the intent of supporting NonStop (which, as.F > things turned out, it will), so its design is deterministic and will > support lockstep operation..  K That last comment seems to merit a response as well.  Since no Alpha systemnG ever made has supported lock-step operation (EV7 may, but has no systemhG software that can make any use of it), are you suggesting that no Alpha0G system ever made is good enough for mission-critical use?  That seems aeF rather narrow definition of mission-critical (especially since runningC processors, or even entire system boards, in lock-step is still notXE sufficient to protect against undetected hardware errors beyond theiruL boundaries - e.g., in storage), and the market for such systems turned out tI o be so small that DEC never bothered to create Alpha products similar tow ftVAX.   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 06:56:48 GMTs- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) @ Subject: Re: VMS to support KDE over CDE in which future version5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-PB6Gr1FHdRfY@localhost>   ! On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:47:54 UTC,  C clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) wrote:    > J > BTW, I like GTK. I've used it quite a bit on Linux, and more recently on@ > Win98. (The languages that I have used it with are C and Ada).  F It exists for VMS already and can be downloaded from somewhere on the  Compaq/HP site.l   -- h Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 06:56:53 GMTt- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)l@ Subject: Re: VMS to support KDE over CDE in which future version5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-JuFMQqnEde54@localhost>o  3 On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:43:48 UTC, "Fred Kleinsorge" g$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  > > Please point the ambassador to me.  There are no such plans.  B But _are_ we going to see Gnome as the desktop on VMS? I'm sure I B recall seeing that statement being made here. If so, are you in a F position to speculate as to when? Or is it something that has taken a " back seat because of the IPF work?   -- 0 Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2002 03:23:36 -0600c- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)0@ Subject: Re: VMS to support KDE over CDE in which future version3 Message-ID: <FuLVif+g6WeN@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-JuFMQqnEde54@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes:w5 > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:43:48 UTC, "Fred Kleinsorge" o& > <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote: > ? >> Please point the ambassador to me.  There are no such plans.r > D > But _are_ we going to see Gnome as the desktop on VMS? I'm sure I D > recall seeing that statement being made here. If so, are you in a H > position to speculate as to when? Or is it something that has taken a $ > back seat because of the IPF work?  @ I recall hearing of one (respected) individual VMS developer who? preferred something else to Motif.  The preferences of that onec? person do not constitute "plans" by the corporation d'jour.  As.? it happens, I don't remember if it was in this newsgroup that I 0 heard of those preferences.  I know I disagreed.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:43:42 GMTy5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o@ Subject: Re: VMS to support KDE over CDE in which future version2 Message-ID: <irTx9.29$d82.969797@news.cpqcorp.net>   Let me repeat.  H We periodically consider the idea of Gnome or KDE.  We have not made anyD decision to do either.  Even if we do, CDE/Motif will continue to be offered.  H When we consider the idea, the #1 topic is a business justification.  SoL far, no strong business case has been made that would cause us to place thisG above other work.  There are things on the horizon that "could" at somev' point cause us to do it... but not yet.c  H As to which... Gnome is probably the front runner, as it seems to be theG choice of the GNU and Linux crowd.  In addition, we already have a GTK+h% toolkit for VMS, and Mozilla uses it.   I It is possible that downstream, when the UNIX portability items have been H done, that it may be "simple" to port both as alternatives (supported orB just as freeware).  The real question that I have is the amount ofK engineering needed to make some aspects "VMS-friendly" - like how filenamesdC and directories are presented - we could simply make the names lookn
 UNIX-like.  H I contacted the source of the "rumor" and he indicates that he must haveJ been mis-understood - he may have said "considering" but not that we "are"L doing anything in this regard.  We will continue to "consider" the idea fromH time-to-time waiting for a sufficient business justification to make the work a priority.  I BTW - there is *nothing* magic here.  Someone with sufficient ability and I desire could try to port it today.  Heck, I'll even answer some amount offJ limited questions on things in VMS that may be more obscure (like loginout access).   _Fred $ Dave Weatherall wrote in message ...3 >On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:43:48 UTC, "Fred Kleinsorge" % ><kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:u >c? >> Please point the ambassador to me.  There are no such plans.c >7B >But _are_ we going to see Gnome as the desktop on VMS? I'm sure IB >recall seeing that statement being made here. If so, are you in aF >position to speculate as to when? Or is it something that has taken a# >back seat because of the IPF work?a >r >--g >Cheers - Dave.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:36:51 -0500# From: "Island" <sales@islandco.com>t Subject: Voting Systems ?r/ Message-ID: <usfie4gn44ut33@news.supernews.com>k  < Does anyone know who developed the voting system in Georgia?" Also - is it running Windows ?????: If so, we should probably return to punch cards and levers   -- David B Turner	 Sales Dpts Island Computers US Corporation0 2700 Gregory Streets	 Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404d Tel: 912 447 6622w Fax: 912 201 0096a sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com' http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htmW   We sell Alpha Systems !a* All emails are checked for Virus and Worms   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:05:57 +01005 From: "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>D Subject: Re: Voting Systems ? & Message-ID: <3dc7db43$1@news.euriware>  % http://www.georgiacounts.com/faqs.htm   / Q:         How are votes recorded and reported?o  J A:         Your vote is recorded in three separate locations on the votingI unit, assuring that no vote can ever be lost.  The touch screen terminals I record choices in flash memory, assuring that votes remain secure even inwI the unlikely event of a sudden equipment failure.  The voting units use aoJ form the Microsoft Windows operating system, the most widely used software
 in the world.p  G             In addition to two onboard locations, votes are stored on a J removable computer memory card, much like those found in laptop computers.J After the polls close a paper tape is printed showing the vote totals fromI each machine, and from all of the units in an individual precinct.  TheseOJ tapes, along with the removable PC cards from each unit, are collected andG transported to the county elections office.  There, the vote totals are-? compiled and the cards and tapes are kept in a secure location.     > "Island" <sales@islandco.com> a crit dans le message de news:$ usfie4gn44ut33@news.supernews.com...> > Does anyone know who developed the voting system in Georgia?$ > Also - is it running Windows ?????< > If so, we should probably return to punch cards and levers >E > -- > David B Turner > Sales Dptn! > Island Computers US Corporationm > 2700 Gregory Street  > Suite 180n > Savannah GA 31404C > Tel: 912 447 6622e > Fax: 912 201 0096  > sales@islandco.com > www.islandco.com) > http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htmy >l > We sell Alpha Systems !E, > All emails are checked for Virus and Worms >  >G   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:15:48 GMT:# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>g Subject: Re: Voting Systems ?wI Message-ID: <81Tx9.198138$%h2.91319@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   @ "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote in message  news:3dc7db43$1@news.euriware...' > http://www.georgiacounts.com/faqs.htme >o1 > Q:         How are votes recorded and reported?V > L > A:         Your vote is recorded in three separate locations on the votingK > unit, assuring that no vote can ever be lost.  The touch screen terminalsoK > record choices in flash memory, assuring that votes remain secure even inEK > the unlikely event of a sudden equipment failure.  The voting units use a=L > form the Microsoft Windows operating system, the most widely used software > in the world.  > I >             In addition to two onboard locations, votes are stored on aiL > removable computer memory card, much like those found in laptop computers.L > After the polls close a paper tape is printed showing the vote totals fromK > each machine, and from all of the units in an individual precinct.  TheseoL > tapes, along with the removable PC cards from each unit, are collected andI > transported to the county elections office.  There, the vote totals arefA > compiled and the cards and tapes are kept in a secure location.-  I And at the country elections office, everyone and everything entering the K building has to be scanned by security machines whose induced fields are soOG strong that they wipe out all the votes recorded on the tapes and flasht media cards.    K For national elections in Canada they still use paper ballots and manage to,7 report the results within an hour of the polls closing.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:30:28 GMTM* From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com> Subject: Re: Voting Systems ?a* Message-ID: <QeTx9.2641$sP2.512@sccrnsc02>  @ "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote in message  news:3dc7db43$1@news.euriware...' > http://www.georgiacounts.com/faqs.htme >  The voting units use alL > form the Microsoft Windows operating system, the most widely used software > in the world.l   How scary. And unfortunate.    ML   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:22:52 GMTB. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?.5 Message-ID: <wKOx9.147790$aa2.1733321@news.chello.at>s  \ In article <3DC7212C.75211466@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Rob Young wrote:tG >>         Which goes to show if your tin hat isn't blocking the propers; >>         frequencies, you believe things can be changed. o >gM >Is it the customer's jobs to find all the omissions and errors that HP makesA" >and then beg HP to correct them ? > H >The fact that VMS was omitted to begin with shows that there is still a >problem at HP.  >-J >Has this been a TV commercial that mentioned all of HP's OS's except VMS,P >would that Stallard guy have gone to bat to pull the ad and have it corrected ?  A Why do you differentiate ? Is the survey corrected ? It is not...d   -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialistA E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:08:03 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>O- Subject: Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?R> Message-ID: <n9Rx9.106352$wG.405791@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  L VMS was mentioned a total of ONCE at the analyst briefing last week in Santa Barbara.  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message). news:1021102010045.400D-100000@Ives.egh.com...! > On 1 Nov 2002, Rob Young wrote:  > > > > In article <00A16521.4E63FD58@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:j > >S > > >CI > > > BULLSHIT!  Since when is Windows a non-stop platform?  Just becausem its L > > > crappy GUI has only a [Start] button doesn't make it *NON-STOP* by any! > > > stretch of the imagination!. > > >n > >e	 > > ROTFLe > >p > > Rob  > = > Windows *needs* a START button, but it stops all by itself?R >S > --
 > John Santos) > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:09:48 GMTp1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>S- Subject: Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?r, Message-ID: <g3Sx9.43833$bG.40235@rwcrnsc53>  = VMS was mentioned a total of once at the HP Analyst Briefing.d  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in messageP. news:1021102010045.400D-100000@Ives.egh.com...! > On 1 Nov 2002, Rob Young wrote:b >t> > > In article <00A16521.4E63FD58@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > >t > > >II > > > BULLSHIT!  Since when is Windows a non-stop platform?  Just becauseo its L > > > crappy GUI has only a [Start] button doesn't make it *NON-STOP* by any! > > > stretch of the imagination!N > > >c > >O	 > > ROTFLw > >  > > RobT >E= > Windows *needs* a START button, but it stops all by itself?9 >: > --
 > John Santos  > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:29:36 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>O- Subject: Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose? I Message-ID: <QlSx9.197587$%h2.53842@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message8 news:n9Rx9.106352$wG.405791@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...H > VMS was mentioned a total of ONCE at the analyst briefing last week in Santas
 > Barbara.     As in, a) OpenVMS is owned by HP, ora$ b) OpenVMS will be retired by HP, or6 c) OpenVMS was acquired by HP in the Compaq merger, or d) something more vague?     Hope your move went well.y   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:26:28 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>- Subject: RE: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose? 0 Message-ID: <01C284B5.D14E45B0@sulfer.icius.com>  F I find this disturbing. Surely some of the VMS engineering & marketingD people are reading this thread; does that mean the survey people areH refusing to fix it rather than just being lazy? And if they're refusing, at what level of management?   Shane    -----Original Message-----8 From: peter@langstoeger.at [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]( Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:23 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr- Subject: Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?     5 In article <3DC7212C.75211466@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeio& <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Rob Young wrote:kG >>         Which goes to show if your tin hat isn't blocking the proper ; >>         frequencies, you believe things can be changed. e >pM >Is it the customer's jobs to find all the omissions and errors that HP makesi" >and then beg HP to correct them ? >=H >The fact that VMS was omitted to begin with shows that there is still a >problem at HP.  ><J >Has this been a TV commercial that mentioned all of HP's OS's except VMS,N >would that Stallard guy have gone to bat to pull the ad and have it corrected ?h  A Why do you differentiate ? Is the survey corrected ? It is not...    -- 0 Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialistj E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:41:29 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s- Subject: Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?e, Message-ID: <3DC810D8.3CDA657D@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:u > N > VMS was mentioned a total of ONCE at the analyst briefing last week in Santa
 > Barbara.  ? Well, that is an infinite improvement.... going from 0 to 1 ...o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:27:13 +0100 From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1>t% Subject: Re: What Ethertype do I use?e* Message-ID: <aq7vdn$heq$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  ; "Lyndon Bartels" <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in messaged( news:3DC70894.2C5763FC@pressenter.com.... > I was asked that by our network guys lately. >, >o$ > I told them "DECnet, LAT, TCP/IP."   Hello-   Just doa	 $ ana/sys  sh lan and tell them what is underJ valuee andu client> and tell them there is more than Tcpip in the protocols, check0 http://www.iana.org/assignments/ethernet-numbersJ Usually these days, the network guys seem to think that IP and Arp are the' only available protocols on the wire...    Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:29:53 +0100 From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1>B% Subject: Re: What Ethertype do I use? * Message-ID: <aq8dkg$nuu$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  * "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1> wrote in message$ news:aq7vdn$heq$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > = > "Lyndon Bartels" <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message * > news:3DC70894.2C5763FC@pressenter.com...0 > > I was asked that by our network guys lately. > >h > >k& > > I told them "DECnet, LAT, TCP/IP." >   Hello  , Suppose you want to see the protocols on EWA* Basic hack, with much room for improvement@ gawk :== $ sys$common:<syshlp.examples.tcpip.snmp>gawk.exe_alpha cr c.awk BEGIN {} /EWA/ {print $4 " " $5}e ctrl z  C $ pipe wr sys$output "sh lan" | ana/sys | gawk/input=c.awk sys$pipe0  K will show the codes (60-07 for SCA, 08-00 for IP) and the associated names.u  G The first line should not be printed, but I guess the (numerous) peoplehD knowing gawk better than me will offer a better script, avoiding the Summaryr line and the blank line.   Regardsa   Grard   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 02 05:45:28 PST  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comb% Subject: Re: What Ethertype do I use? ( Message-ID: <oy27di5xOpEZ@cpva.saic.com>  . In article <3DC70894.2C5763FC@pressenter.com>,1  Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:n. > I was asked that by our network guys lately. >  > % > I told them "DECnet, LAT, TCP/IP." c > F > But I want to give them a better answer than that. Given that I haveJ > clusters at multiple sites. I'm positioning the hardware to be ready forI > a Wide Area, Fault Tolerant Cluster. What am I using now, and what do Io0 > definitely not want to give up for the future. >    $ analyze/system SDA> show lan/summarya  K You'll be interested in the Fmt, Value, and Client columns. For the entries K designated in the Fmt column with "Eth" you can look up the associated typetI codes at http://map-ne.com/Ethernet/type.html. You'll see all that you've- got active in the SDA display.   - Jim5   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:02:21 +0100 From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1>c% Subject: Re: What Ethertype do I use?a* Message-ID: <aq8mie$sdk$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  * "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1> wrote in message$ news:aq8dkg$nuu$1@web1.cup.hp.com...A > > > "Lyndon Bartels" <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in messagev, > > news:3DC70894.2C5763FC@pressenter.com...2 > > > I was asked that by our network guys lately. > > >  > > >u( > > > I told them "DECnet, LAT, TCP/IP." > >  Hellon   Last version  C $  gawk :== $ sys$common:<syshlp.examples.tcpip.snmp>gawk.exe_alpha 
 $ cr e.awk BEGIN {}' $1 ~ /EWA[123456789]/ {print $4 " " $5}d  ctrl ze  D  $ pipe wr sys$output "sh lan" | ana/sys | gawk/input=e.awk sys$pipe    Regards    Grardi   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.612 ************************