1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 09 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 620       Contents:< "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in Re: Advanced Server and UAF / Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!! 7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek 7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek 4 Re: KGPSA-DA (FCA-2354) Support for Alphaserver 1200 Re: Old documentation  Re: Remote Console access  Re: Remote Console access 9 Re: Remote Console access (ConsoleWorks _can_ run on VMS) 9 Re: Remote Console access (ConsoleWorks _can_ run on VMS) ) Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen? - Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen? 8 Re: The advocacy site's instapol question is VMS related( Re: Vax Macro Porting - Still Struggling8 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2002 06:11:45 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in 3 Message-ID: <yf22LUmlkqx$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   E I temporarily booted an AlphaStation 250 from V7.2-something in order H to run DOCUMENT/IMAGE.  After doing that, I found that my "blank screen"E screen saver (when logged in) changed to (what I consider annoying) a  "wandering X of various sizes".   I But when I booted back to V7.3, I find the same behavior for my username. : The CDE control panel says I have selected "blank screen".  ! Does anyone have any suggestions.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:58:21 -05005 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> $ Subject: Re: Advanced Server and UAF/ Message-ID: <usoqup6h5m9v20@corp.supernews.com>   5 "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com> wrote in message 3 news:3dcbd9ee$0$17646$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net... G > So there is a *connection* of sorts between SAM and UAF even when one  > chooses LM security only.  >   G Except, the VMS part of the security only kicks in from VMS (from the $ 3 prompt, or, some VMS program).  See the difference?   J > Now, if JoeUser has a domain account but does not have a VMS account, or has L > one w/a different user name and Joe connects to an AS server and creates a" > file, then PWRK$default owns it.  L Assumes you have not set up explicit HOSTMAPs.  If this concerns you, set up( explicit hostmaps for all of your users.  + >I guess that's good and bad.  Good in that J > Joe can get some work on an AS server.  And bad perhaps in that everyoneI > (pwrk$default) has some sort of access to Joe's work.  Is this correct?  >   J Define "everyone".  This can get foggy, real fast, but only if you let it.L From the domain side, the access is controlled by the LanMan permissions youG put on the resource thats it.  From the VMS side, it depends on who can J access files owned by VMS user PWRK$DEFAULT.  Thats it.  You choose LanManJ security only, so, think of it that way.  From the network or domain side,- think LanMan, from the VMS prompt, think VMS.    Brad   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:44:37 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)8 Subject: Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!!; Message-ID: <3dcd3b75.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   0 David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote:
 > > [snip]D > > > l) Does OpenVMS will have a lexical like F$GETUAF to get users > > > informations?  > > ( > >    Major security hole?  I hope not! > D > Assuming it uses $GETUAI and is subject to the same contraints re:J > privilege, how does that constitute a security hole? Remember: passwords/ > are stored hashed, and cannot be unscrambled.   < There's no encryption that is immune to a dictionary attack.  E That said, I agree that if F$GETUAI would require the same privileges - as $GETUAI, it won't be a breach of security.    cu,    Martin --  H    Emacs would be a great   | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer5    operating system,        | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de L    if only it came with     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/<    a decent editor...       | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  " Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:59:57 GMT- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) @ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek& Message-ID: <H5B5Bx.4HG@world.std.com>  , In article <3DC31936.6050104@tsoft-inc.com>,* David Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  ? > When Hammer forces Intel to compete, (Yamhill), then IA-64 is F > D-E-A-D!  It may  quiver for a while, but who other than HP will buy> > it.  Surely not Dell, who will go with the MS prefered chip.  L I'll be curious to see how the Hammer really shapes up when it's released.  D If it's as fast as speculated, and if Dell were to push Hammer basedJ systems for gamers and home users, they could potentially put some seriousH hurt on HP in those market segments.  I'd doubt that HP would be willingG to sell Hammer based systems; it would undermine the IA-64 sales.  So I H see Dell as having a favorable position here; they'll be able to be more flexible in their offerings.  @ And then let us say that Dell starts bundling their Dell brandedF printers--which I imagine they must plan on doing--with their systems;E again, they'd be squeezing HP a bit more.  I think Dell is being very I intelligent.  HP is incapacitated by the enormity of the merger, combined F with the effects of our weaker economy.  Certainly Dell is feeling theH economic pinch as well, but any punches they can land on HP are going to- be quite effective given the current climate.    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----=          "VAX - when you care enough to steal the very best." 8              -- Etched into the CVAX processors silicon.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 12:40:59 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>@ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek/ Message-ID: <3DCD48AA.B2D550CC@vl.videotron.ca>    Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:J > hurt on HP in those market segments.  I'd doubt that HP would be willingC > to sell Hammer based systems; it would undermine the IA-64 sales.   K When Windows NT was available on PowerPC and MIPS, did HP make PPC and MIPS M based systems running Windows ? Or was that in a time where HP was the "real" M HP , before Carly got in and strived to downgrade HP into just another Dell ?   J Is it correct to state that HP currently does build some wintel stuff withH AMD, but just doesn't brag about it ? Or has HP fallen into an exclusive$ agreement and uses only Intel cpus ?  J If HP already uses some AMD chips, then I see no reason to prevent HP fromM building Hammer based wintel for the consumer market. (what's the name of the L "consumer" version of Hammer ?) But I don't expect to see HP advertise thoseI heavily since without the "intel inside" annoying end to a commercial, HP . would have to pay for those ads all by itself.  M If server software starts to become very available on the 64 bit Hammer, then N I won't be susprised if HP starts to build Hammer based wintel servers. Ooops,N from the get-go, all the current wintel software will run on Hammer ! How much will run on IA64 ?  K In the end, everyone knows that IA64 is to be relegated to a proprietary HP K chip that will remain expensive and be used only on the systems stuck on it L (VMS and HP-UX, possibly NSK). HP would be a fool to insist on foisting IA64K based Wintel servers that will be more expensive than Hammer based ones and 9 have far less native software than Hammer based machines.   N At this point in time, HP's "commitment" to wintel on IA64 is just as credible* as Compaq's commitment to wintel on Alpha.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:04:51 +0100# From: "gilles CASTEL" <gci@free.fr> = Subject: Re: KGPSA-DA (FCA-2354) Support for Alphaserver 1200 3 Message-ID: <aqiush$p46$1@news-reader10.wanadoo.fr>   L http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/options/as1200/as1200_15_72_options.html#O
 ptListHead  / only KGPSA-BC & KGPSA-CA are supported (1 Gpbs)     H "Gerhard from Austria" <gerhard@nomail.at> a crit dans le message news:< 3dcc18aa$0$24796$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at...C > Is the 2 GB KGPSA-DA (FCA-2354) supported on a AlphaServer 1200 ?  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:32:04 -0000 ( From: Paul Williams <news@celigne.co.uk> Subject: Re: Old documentation: Message-ID: <Xns92C193518AAA4newscelignecouk@216.168.3.30>  3 chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran) wrote in 6 news:948f0720.0211071600.48414b5b@posting.google.com:   - > Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com> wrote in message I > news:<Pine.LNX.4.44.0211061944460.22518-100000@localhost.localdomain>..  > . G >> I have in my hand a "Vision II 3220 User's Manual" which describes a B >> VT220-type terminal from Lanpar Technologies (or maybe NorthernC >> Technologies, both names are used).  Probably around 100 sheets, D >> two-sided.  Is there any repository that would like to have this? > H > http://www.vt100.net/ -- who cover much more than their URL implies --G > say they're always looking for manuals (see bottom of page). They add G > "if you're in the UK..." but if you don't mind the postage, and don't - > want it back, probably that doesn't matter.   L Thanks for the mention, Chris (and Zane). Rob will be sending me the manual E (at my expense, of course) and I'll change that paragraph you quoted  C because I am quite willing to pay postage from just about anywhere.   F I also have another name in mind for the site that better reflects my 8 expanding collection, though the URL will stay the same.   - Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 02:33:04 GMT + From: "Bill Johnson" <res0xcil@verizon.net> " Subject: Re: Remote Console access5 Message-ID: <At_y9.4053$Dl.1789@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>   J    Hi All! I work for TECSys Development and some of our engineers pointedL me to this thread today for follow-up. I must say first off, I worked on theI agreement with Compaq to put our ConsoleWorks product on and NT based PC.   J     Frankly, while I did not agree with the thought of having a PC runningF NT and our product on it managing the 1+million dollar box with a realD operating system like OpenVMS or T64, we were TOLD by Compaq ProductK Management that if we wanted to play we had to port our product to NT. Mind K you - IT DID NOT RUN ON NT at the time! We had to port it from VMS to NT to  make that happen.   @     For those of you who ACTUALLY have a GS BOX with an NT basedK ConsoleWorks, and would like to UPGRADE to ConsoleWorks on OpenVMS or Tru64 C Unix - Better yet any OTHER operating system we support, Contact me L personally at b_johnson@tditx.com/nospam-please and I will see to it that ifK you send TDi proof of ownership for the NT version, We will UPGRADE you for I **FREE** to the same configuration of consoleworks on ANY OTHER operating  system we support!  E     And, YES we have scan files for ALL HP related Operating systems, % hardware and network gear like Cisco.   J     When you contact me for the FREE upgrade, please send your name, phoneK number, company etc and YES, I will most likely have to have a sales person I call you to confirm all the details etc, but that's because I travel alot * working with customers and other partners.  I     As a side note, we now have integrated consoleworks with BMC, brocade F SAN switches and HSV controllers as well. More coming in the very near future.    Regards,   Bill Johnson
 President/CEO  TECSys Development 1600 10th Street Suite B  Plano, Texas  75074  http://www.tditx.com 800-695-1258              2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B21@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. ..0 Re: secure access to remote console solutions...  C >>> DO these wonders of modern mentation have any *tested* *secure* 4 recomendations for replacing the LAT/TS consoles?>>>  + Check out SSH offerings with ConsoleWorks - 2 http://www.tditx.com/news_events_press.html#062502D "...ConsoleWorks latest release features the ConsoleWorks secure Web< server with Secure Socket Layer (SSL) and Secure Shell (SSH)F capabilities. SSL provides an encrypted communication path between theE Web browser and the ConsoleWorks Web server, and the SSH capabilities D provide encryption between ConsoleWorks and the terminal server. TDIA built the secure Web server to ensure that our customers have the E highest level of security for their enterprise management software. "   @ http://www.tditx.com/products_cwks_security.html - whitepaper on security and console access    Related article:? http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2002/1014/tec-mgt1-10-14-02.asp G "...In June, TECSys Development LP added Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) and > Secure Shell (SSH) capabilities to its ConsoleWorks product, aD Web-based, out-of-band management tool. Together, SSL and SSH enable> encrypted communication between the user's Web browser and theD ConsoleWorks server, and between the ConsoleWorks server and managed	 devices."    Regards   
 Kerry Main Solutions Architect  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----/ From: Richard Brodie [mailto:R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk]  Sent: November 6, 2002 8:33 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " Subject: Re: Remote Console access      9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87pttig975.fsf@prep.synonet.com...   F > The really nice thing about LAT, is that it is idiot resistant. TheyB > can screw you over, but they have to work at it harder. DO theseG > wonders of modern mentation have any *tested* *secure* recomendations $ > for replacing the LAT/TS consoles?  ! Well picking something at random: ) http://www.ute.de/vts_terminal_server.htm G If you're just going to slap a remote Telnet box on the public network, F that is making life easy for attackers. However, things have moved on,F and if you care about security you don't provide remote console access
 in the clear.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:30:32 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Remote Console access' Message-ID: <3DCD3828.AA858CAF@fsi.net>    Bill Johnson wrote:  > L >    Hi All! I work for TECSys Development and some of our engineers pointedN > me to this thread today for follow-up. I must say first off, I worked on theK > agreement with Compaq to put our ConsoleWorks product on and NT based PC.  > L >     Frankly, while I did not agree with the thought of having a PC runningH > NT and our product on it managing the 1+million dollar box with a realF > operating system like OpenVMS or T64, we were TOLD by Compaq ProductM > Management that if we wanted to play we had to port our product to NT. Mind M > you - IT DID NOT RUN ON NT at the time! We had to port it from VMS to NT to  > make that happen.  > B >     For those of you who ACTUALLY have a GS BOX with an NT basedM > ConsoleWorks, and would like to UPGRADE to ConsoleWorks on OpenVMS or Tru64 E > Unix - Better yet any OTHER operating system we support, Contact me N > personally at b_johnson@tditx.com/nospam-please and I will see to it that ifM > you send TDi proof of ownership for the NT version, We will UPGRADE you for K > **FREE** to the same configuration of consoleworks on ANY OTHER operating  > system we support! > G >     And, YES we have scan files for ALL HP related Operating systems, ' > hardware and network gear like Cisco.  > L >     When you contact me for the FREE upgrade, please send your name, phoneM > number, company etc and YES, I will most likely have to have a sales person K > call you to confirm all the details etc, but that's because I travel alot , > working with customers and other partners. > K >     As a side note, we now have integrated consoleworks with BMC, brocade H > SAN switches and HSV controllers as well. More coming in the very near	 > future.  > 
 > Regards, >  > Bill Johnson > President/CEO  > TECSys Development  5 Now *THERE'S* the man who should be leading OpenVMS!    E A man who understands *AND* *RESPONDS* to his customers in a visible, 
 positive way.   + HP/Q could learn volumes from Bill Johnson.   G Any chance a "grassroots" movement among the stokcholders could get him  elected chairman of HP/Q?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2002 06:19:45 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Re: Remote Console access (ConsoleWorks _can_ run on VMS)3 Message-ID: <77U8AcDvHH2N@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <At_y9.4053$Dl.1789@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, "Bill Johnson" <res0xcil@verizon.net> writes:   L >     Frankly, while I did not agree with the thought of having a PC runningH > NT and our product on it managing the 1+million dollar box with a realF > operating system like OpenVMS or T64, we were TOLD by Compaq ProductM > Management that if we wanted to play we had to port our product to NT. Mind M > you - IT DID NOT RUN ON NT at the time! We had to port it from VMS to NT to  > make that happen.  > B >     For those of you who ACTUALLY have a GS BOX with an NT basedM > ConsoleWorks, and would like to UPGRADE to ConsoleWorks on OpenVMS or Tru64 E > Unix - Better yet any OTHER operating system we support, Contact me N > personally at b_johnson@tditx.com/nospam-please and I will see to it that ifM > you send TDi proof of ownership for the NT version, We will UPGRADE you for K > **FREE** to the same configuration of consoleworks on ANY OTHER operating  > system we support!  A Thank you for posting.  I do not have a Wildfire system, but your B explanation and your offer certainly makes me think more highly of@ your company than my previous low opinion.  In the long run thatD matter of public image may count for something, and I will certainlyB point out your broader capabilities to those I encounter with such a need.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 18:18:23 GMT + From: "Bill Johnson" <res0xcil@verizon.net> B Subject: Re: Remote Console access (ConsoleWorks _can_ run on VMS)5 Message-ID: <Pjcz9.9285$Dl.8703@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>    Larry:K     I appreciate your reply and the good words. TDi is still and always has K been customer centric. While the solution that Compaq has chosen to deliver L to its customers IS NOT necessarily the solution I would have chosen, COMPAQK did allow the customer the option of using other tools and there has ALWAYS C been the option to purchase a DS10L w/OpenVMS or TRU64 Unix and run G consoleworks to manage the GS or anything else for that matter. We have C actually helped a number of customers implement just that solution.   I    For those customers who did purchase the NT SMC with ConsoleWorks, you K can still purchase the Retail version of the product and build a hierarchal I management environment keeping the SMC in place for the Compaq Field Rep. 2 This too has been done at numerous customer sites.  @     We also have a package deal running now where we will supplyL consoleworks on OpenVMS, Linux or TRU64 on an ALPHA DS10, A 48 port terminalJ server and connections as well as scan files for HPux, TRU64, OpenVMS 7.3,I HSx Controllers, Brocade, Alpha Console, and wildfire as well as training  on-site all for a fixed cost.   J     Anyways, the customer has always had a choice where they wanted to runH consoleworks and frankly we have encouraged that choice where we had the& opportunity. Hence - my upgrade offer.  
 Best Regards,  --Bill  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:77U8AcDvHH2N@eisner.encompasserve.org... F > In article <At_y9.4053$Dl.1789@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, "Bill Johnson" <res0xcil@verizon.net> writes: > F > >     Frankly, while I did not agree with the thought of having a PC running J > > NT and our product on it managing the 1+million dollar box with a realH > > operating system like OpenVMS or T64, we were TOLD by Compaq ProductJ > > Management that if we wanted to play we had to port our product to NT. MindL > > you - IT DID NOT RUN ON NT at the time! We had to port it from VMS to NT to > > make that happen.  > > D > >     For those of you who ACTUALLY have a GS BOX with an NT basedI > > ConsoleWorks, and would like to UPGRADE to ConsoleWorks on OpenVMS or  Tru64 G > > Unix - Better yet any OTHER operating system we support, Contact me H > > personally at b_johnson@tditx.com/nospam-please and I will see to it that if K > > you send TDi proof of ownership for the NT version, We will UPGRADE you  for C > > **FREE** to the same configuration of consoleworks on ANY OTHER 	 operating  > > system we support! > C > Thank you for posting.  I do not have a Wildfire system, but your D > explanation and your offer certainly makes me think more highly ofB > your company than my previous low opinion.  In the long run thatF > matter of public image may count for something, and I will certainlyD > point out your broader capabilities to those I encounter with such	 > a need.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 01:08:40 -0600$ From: Greg Linder <glinder@uiuc.edu>2 Subject: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen?G Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0211082123130.24504-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>    	Greetings-   C 	I recently traded some equipment for two Alpha AXP 150 machines. I E have been trying to get the networking to function properly, with the G ultimate goal of running Seti @ home on these machines under openVMS. I J have the two machines clustered and networked to the degree that I am ableJ to telnet to and from the boxes by specifying an IP address. FTP and other services work as well.C 	The problem comes when I fire up seti @ home. I get an error along F the lines of "host not found- unrecoverable error code thus and so" orH something of that nature. I am running seti@home using the same commands@ that I do on my other machines, and they all work fine behind my7 installation of setiqueue on my PC, except the Alpha's. B 	I am a relative newby to the world of VMS- Trying to maintain andJ find answers to questions about VMS is nearly impossible on the UniversityF of Illinois campus, seeing as most people seem to regard VMS as a deadJ operating system around here, which is too bad. I have had a very pleasentD time figuring out VMS to the extent that I have, but this particularI problem has me stumped- Has anyone else running Seti @ home on VMS/ Alpha I version 7.2 experienced these problems? Am I misconfiguring something, or & is Seti just not functioning properly?   	Thank you,    	Greg Linder 	glinder@uiuc.edu < 	Junior in Computer Engineering @ The University of Illinois 	www.ews.uiuc.edu/~glinder   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:50:25 GMT 6 From: Jeffrey Coffield <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com>6 Subject: Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen?4 Message-ID: <3DCD4A64.5070506@digitalsynergyinc.com>   Greg Linder wrote:
 > 	Greetings-  > E > 	I recently traded some equipment for two Alpha AXP 150 machines. I G > have been trying to get the networking to function properly, with the I > ultimate goal of running Seti @ home on these machines under openVMS. I L > have the two machines clustered and networked to the degree that I am ableL > to telnet to and from the boxes by specifying an IP address. FTP and other > services work as well.E > 	The problem comes when I fire up seti @ home. I get an error along H > the lines of "host not found- unrecoverable error code thus and so" orJ > something of that nature. I am running seti@home using the same commandsB > that I do on my other machines, and they all work fine behind my9 > installation of setiqueue on my PC, except the Alpha's. D > 	I am a relative newby to the world of VMS- Trying to maintain andL > find answers to questions about VMS is nearly impossible on the UniversityH > of Illinois campus, seeing as most people seem to regard VMS as a deadL > operating system around here, which is too bad. I have had a very pleasentF > time figuring out VMS to the extent that I have, but this particularK > problem has me stumped- Has anyone else running Seti @ home on VMS/ Alpha K > version 7.2 experienced these problems? Am I misconfiguring something, or ( > is Seti just not functioning properly? > 
 > 	Thank you,  >  > 	Greg Linder > 	glinder@uiuc.edu > > 	Junior in Computer Engineering @ The University of Illinois > 	www.ews.uiuc.edu/~glinder >  >  >   C It sounds like the name resoluton isn't set up right. Can you ping   things like www.google.com?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:32:05 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> A Subject: Re: The advocacy site's instapol question is VMS related / Message-ID: <usols6frkplff4@news.supernews.com>   1 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message * news:01C28712.C346BFB0@sulfer.icius.com...A > Today's instapol question on http://www.hpuseradvocacy.org/ is:  >  [snip] > H > Incidentally, how come there's only 3 "me too"'s on the "please market/ > VMS" issue? 3? THREE? That's a lousy turnout.   I It could be because the issue says "please market VMS the same as Tru64". L Tru64 is dead, are they still marketing it?  I would rather have them marketF VMS like they market NSK.  I just received a very nice magazine calledI "24x7" which is really just an HP ad for NSK.  It should be an ad for NSK K AND OpenVMS.  Maybe even explaining when you need NSK vs. VMS (and when you L need both).  HP seems to be doing a good job of marketing NSK but it appears' that NSK views OpenVMS as a competitor.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 09:48:08 -0500 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>1 Subject: Re: Vax Macro Porting - Still Struggling - Message-ID: <3DCCD9D8.1467.7A3B1B8@localhost>   & On 8 Nov 2002 at 20:27, John N. wrote:L > I am not sure if anyone brought this up or not, but since this seems to be; > an old problem, there may be a longer term solution [...]   # #pragma shameless_plug_alert enable   - You could always run CHARON-VAX on your Alpha   $ #pragma shameless_plug_alert disable    D Alternatively, you could use DECmigrate to translate this program.  % Ugly, slow, but potentially useful...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:41:06 +0100$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 + Message-ID: <00A16B97.438D2CC8.10@decus.de>   3 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:    > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > > F http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/openvms_at_25_files/slide03 33.htm > > C > > Has anyone managed to download just the video for playback at a ; > > convenient time? All my efforts to hack at it have been 
 unsuccessful.  > D > http://streaming.nonstop.compaq.com:8080/ramgen/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm > . > You can use fetch_http to save the contents. > B > My problem is with the PPT presentation. Seems that the embedded
 videos (atC > slide 3) make the viewer puke and freeze. And if I go beyond that  screenm the  > images are corrupt.   C I got problems too trying to view the slides (Powerpoint 2002 alias = XP); slides #3 and #49 are of pure black colour. Clicking the A right-hand mouse button a menu is displayed with the option "show F film" (translated from the german menu, the "original" english message? may be different) and selecting that option an error message is @ displayed: "Powerpoint could not find the linked multimedia fileF 'C:\Documents and Settings\GorhamM\Desktop\Opener.mpg'. Do you want to search yourself?" ... :-)   A So obviously there is an external link which can not be resolved.   E Another problem: a lot of comments reappear on pages later on outside ; any context. (Viewed in "normal", not "presentation" mode.)    Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:50:19 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 ' Message-ID: <3DCD3CCB.FE22EB5A@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:R > > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/openvms_at_25_files/slide0333.htm > > C > > Has anyone managed to download just the video for playback at a I > > convenient time? All my efforts to hack at it have been unsuccessful.  > D > http://streaming.nonstop.compaq.com:8080/ramgen/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm  # Yeah, that's as far as I got, also:   D rtsp://161.114.48.167:554/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070 --stop--D pnm://161.114.48.167:7070/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070  F Now, how can I use that to download the video to my hard disk so I can save it to CD or view it later?   . > You can use fetch_http to save the contents.   What's "fetch_http"?  M > My problem is with the PPT presentation. Seems that the embedded videos (at O > slide 3) make the viewer puke and freeze. And if I go beyond that screenm the  > images are corrupt.   H How 'bout if you just look at it in PowerPoint and don't try to view the slide show?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:52:40 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 ' Message-ID: <3DCD3D58.284651C4@fsi.net>    Michael Unger wrote: > 5 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  >  > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > > > H > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/openvms_at_25_files/slide03 > 33.htm > > > E > > > Has anyone managed to download just the video for playback at a = > > > convenient time? All my efforts to hack at it have been  > unsuccessful.  > > F > > http://streaming.nonstop.compaq.com:8080/ramgen/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm > > 0 > > You can use fetch_http to save the contents. > > D > > My problem is with the PPT presentation. Seems that the embedded > videos (atE > > slide 3) make the viewer puke and freeze. And if I go beyond that 
 > screenm the  > > images are corrupt.  > E > I got problems too trying to view the slides (Powerpoint 2002 alias ? > XP); slides #3 and #49 are of pure black colour. Clicking the C > right-hand mouse button a menu is displayed with the option "show H > film" (translated from the german menu, the "original" english messageA > may be different) and selecting that option an error message is B > displayed: "Powerpoint could not find the linked multimedia fileH > 'C:\Documents and Settings\GorhamM\Desktop\Opener.mpg'. Do you want to > search yourself?" ... :-)  > C > So obviously there is an external link which can not be resolved.  > G > Another problem: a lot of comments reappear on pages later on outside = > any context. (Viewed in "normal", not "presentation" mode.)   H I did download the .PPT, but haven't actually tried to do anything with.E I have a rather old PowerPoint and I *shudder* to think what it might  do...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 12:47:57 -0500e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 / Message-ID: <3DCD4A4C.63C15E0D@vl.videotron.ca>t   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:F > rtsp://161.114.48.167:554/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070
 > --stop--F > pnm://161.114.48.167:7070/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070    M Yeah, that is the list of possible "servers" and prototocols to download thatn4 video. (pnm: is usually for slower bandwidth lines).  L There are some utilities to capture the stream and save it. However, rtsp isF "real time streaming protocol" and its speed adjusts depending on lineL conditions, so it really needs bidirectional handshaking that goes on fairly constantly.   0 what is wrong with downloading the real player ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 12:50:55 -0600E1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20020' Message-ID: <3DCD590F.31F1D344@fsi.net>d   JF Mezei wrote:t >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H > > rtsp://161.114.48.167:554/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070 > > --stop--H > > pnm://161.114.48.167:7070/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070 > O > Yeah, that is the list of possible "servers" and prototocols to download thath6 > video. (pnm: is usually for slower bandwidth lines). > N > There are some utilities to capture the stream and save it. However, rtsp isH > "real time streaming protocol" and its speed adjusts depending on lineN > conditions, so it really needs bidirectional handshaking that goes on fairly
 > constantly.  > 2 > what is wrong with downloading the real player ?  H I have RealPlayer. I'm looking to store the video for archival purposes,D and also to refine the playback until I find the best combination ofC settings without having to wait for it to download on each attempt.h   -- b David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 02 09:39:05 +0100o) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)eG Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT-) Message-ID: <UnjDUEiiuFeL@elias.decus.ch>   w In article <01KOMSN2211WA23BZ7@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:oA >> Consumer-grade routers assume that there's only one "outside"   >> address.s > K > That is the case here.  The assumption made by consumer-grade routers is  J > probably that I have several machines that need outgoing connections AT  > THE SAME TIME. >t  # No problem here doing exactly that.   oI >> If you're running a commercial-grade router (Cisco, Linux, etc.), you  F >> can make routing more complicated.  You can route packets based on H >> their source and destination IP addresses and port numbers.  You can 8 >> also spend lots of hours messing with routing tables. > # > That's probably MORE than I need.o  A I'm not sure exactly where the dividing line between consumer ande commercial-grade routers lies. > G >> I'm not familiar with "PAT".  But NAT (also known as IP Masquerade) rG >> should be all you need.  All machines inside your network can reach rB >> out to the Internet, and only certain incoming connections are H >> allowed.  This is exactly what I do at my site -- I have 20 machines 6 >> all accessing the Internet through one cable modem. > K > See Mark Levy's response---it sounds like I really need PAT.  Do your 20 EK > machines actually access the internet at the same time, or just one at a . > time?e  E OK, time to tell you what I have, and supply some links. It's a Zyxel J Prestige 642R-I (the -I is the ISDN version), with one ethernet  port, andF a serial line. It can do DHCP, but I have disabled that, preferring to+ give each of my systems a fixed IP address.    It looks like this:2  -                       !--ISDN box -- phone(s)D Swisscom -- splitter--!i< socket                !--Prestige -- 8 way hub -- my systems  = (the analogue version has a "filter" instead of a "splitter")o  ? Absolutely no problem with having multiple systems connected atsC the same time, and that means VMS, Mac, Linux, (ex)NT. The Prestiger> is simply seen as a gateway on the LAN. It has basic filtering< capabilities, not a full blown firewall - the place for that& would be between the Prestige and hub.  @ It has a Single User feature (SUA) which allows multiple systemsE to share the same connection. For incoming connections, you can route E ports to LAN destinations, so it's no problem having separate systemse# for SMTP, webserver, FTP and so on.i  ( To read a brief summary of its features,B http://www.studerus.ch/products_new.cfm?action=detail&mainart=2646A (in German) does actually mention PAT. Approx 400 Euros, so not arB budget item. There are newer models available, which may suit your
 needs better.   ? I believe I found the manuals for it in both English and Germani< under the support section of that site, or at www.zyxel.com.@ Worth a read to familiarize yourself with the ideas, even if you( decide to buy from another manufacturer.  < Do _not_ buy from the Swiss site  though, as you will want a; Deutsche Telekomm compatible version - see www.zyxel.de forh that.i  ; And if/when you do buy an ADSL router, please watch out ford: firmware upgrades, sometimes dealing with security issues.= www.zyxel.at seem to be well on the ball with those, and makei3 sure you download European rather than US versions.a   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerlanda   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 02:59:26 -0500H( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATf, Message-ID: <3DCCC05E.9000002@tsoft-inc.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:f  F >>Yes, you want PAT. NAT allows a static translation between an insideF >>address, and one of a block of "outside" routable addresses. It alsoF >>allows for both inbound and outbound access. PAT allows for multipleJ >>inside addresses to use a single outside address for outbound access. IfD >>you have only one outside address, you'll need to use PAT to allow> >>multiple nodes to make outbound connections simultaneously.  >> > 8 > OK, that's what I needed (if not wanted :-( ) to hear.     Not so fast.    T With respect for Mark, who the above seems to come from, I disagree with the advice.    O My limited understand of NAT is that there is a part of an IP packet where the eP NAT router can place some information, which will be included in any IP packets Q returned from the (outside) target system.  The NAT router uses this information eI to determine which inside system is getting a response, and forwards the .O response to that system.  All systems on the internal network can send packets t) out over the internet, and get responses.o  O However, if the incoming IP packet doesn't have the expected information, then  Q it isn't a response, but an unsolicited inbound packet.  Either the router has a  N single specified system that gets these packets, making that system appear to P the outside to be the sole system represented by the IP address assigned by the Q ISP, or it discards such packets as undeliverable if it doesn't have an internal o! system 'visable to the internet'.c  N Note that the above is what was explained to me, and may be very wrong.  But, 9 for what you seem to want to do, NAT should be just fine.a   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:54:10 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT I Message-ID: <S0Zy9.24662$MGm1.13220@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s   Phillip,  H Go to your local computer store...one that will let you try and return a5 router within, say 10 days, if you are not satisfied.e  K All the low cost 'home' routers I've worked with, SMC, D-Link, Linksys, all L permit from 64-255 simultaneous outbound connections without problems. On myI home network (with a $49 SMC Barricade router), I often have 5-6 machinese& simultaneously accessing the internet.  L Almost all of them allow you to specify one (1) machine IP address from yourH NAT private network (192.168.123.x for example) to be directly reachableK (via the 'DMZ' port) by users outside your network. Typically this would bet6 if you wanted to run a public web server / ftp server.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 03:45:11 GMT-1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>rG Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATo/ Message-ID: <3DCC82BF.95DA9934@ddfsafdaasf.net>$   Phillip Helbig wrote:r > I > Experts, please correct me if I am wrong in any of my assumptions whilel$ > you answer the questions!  Thanks! > I > I will probably soon provide internet access to my hobbyist VMS clusterC > via a DSL router (mainly to save costs since there are attractiveg > flat-rate offers about). > G > At the moment, I have fixed, routable "real" IP addresses and an ISDN 3 > router which does dial-out AND dial-IN on demand.  > I > I am perfectly happy with this setup from a technical point of view.  Id% > am moving to DSL to decrease costs.1 > G > With a DSL connection, I will have a single IP address visible to thea+ > outside world, namely that of the router.5 > J > One reason for the original setup was that I wanted to be able to accessI > all machines from outside, even though in normal operation it is enough F > to access the cluster alias.  Now that this works fine, I could justC > point the visible IP address to the cluster alias then connect to H > another machine once I get inside.  Other reasons were the lack of DSLH > at the location at the time, and the fact that I wasn't aware that theI > possibility of "dynamic" DNS exists so that a changing IP address is no  > real problem.o > H > A fourth reason is that, in the other direction, more than one addressE > needs to access the internet (even with a cluster alias set up, fortH > example, when I send email it "comes from" a specific machine, not theE > cluster alias, i.e. the cluster alias is just for incoming, not fortC > outgoing, stuff).  This is the main point where I have questions.  > H > Looking at http://www.garykessler.net/library/tcpip.html#IPcidr I haveJ > the impression that NAT (which the obvious routers I would buy appear toI > support) would be enough AS LONG AS ONLY ONE MACHINE AT A TIME ACCESSES0J > THE INTERNET.  If, however, more than one machine at a time accesses the. > internet, then I need PAT.  Is this correct? > H > How big a worry is the "performance hit" due to NAT and especially PAT! > mentioned in the article above?h > G > If I need PAT but NAT would be better, for whatever reasons, is therenB > any way to get the cluster-alias address to be used for OUTgoing > connections as well? > H > In the end, I would use non-routable internal addresses, with only theG > router address being visible to the outside (and assigned dynamicallynI > when the DSL connection is initiated), thus I wouldn't need to have any G > real addresses of my own, as I have now.  For a transitional time, ofaI > course, it would be nice to leave the current ISDN connection as is and I > have the DSL functionality as well (at least for outgoing connections). G > Is it enough to just put the DSL router on the LAN, give it one of mytG > "real" addresses (or could I give it a non-routable address while the I > other machines on the LAN have routable ones) and use this for outgoingiF > connections (keeping incoming ones, for the time being, via the ISDNH > router---or of course allowing additional incoming connections through< > the DSL router, while keeping the ISDN router functional)?     Here is a handy-dandy link  , http://www.firstdbasource.com/vms-on-bb.html  D Should you need a domain name, I can be of service (on a per requestD basis) to "sell" you the domain name of your choice, providing it is available of course...  B 2 VMS systems (clustered), 1 Linux box --I had 2 but lost the hardE drive:(  plus 2 laptops and 2 desktops including a WAP for one of thed! desktops and both of the laptops.A  B I use a Linksys BEFSR41 (3 years old now) + a Linksys WAP11, I useF port-forwarding the cluster IP address and have Apache, telnet and ftpG available.  If I need to get to my Linux box, I SSH to the VMS box then 
 telnet to it.    --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163r7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com.E                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmle   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:40:45 +0100" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATe5 Message-ID: <aqivot$aic9u$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   D NAT translates the IP address in a frame. So for each combination ofH interfaces the router maintains a table to translate the address used onK port x to the IP address it has to use on port y. The table may be fixed ornK may be dynamical (to handle IP address changes on an internal LAN that uses I DHCP for instance). In your case, each internal device would need its owne external address.e  K Port address translation is somewhat more loosely defined and the confusioniH in this disucssion seems to prove that. The old AltaVista firewalls usedI proxy services. The result was that all internal IP addresses (even validdJ Internet addresses like 193.x.y.z) were replaced by one single IP address;H irrespective of the port that was used and provided that that TCP or UDP port was not blocked.pH There is also a mechanism called hide-NAT which behaves quite similar toL proxy translation but uses a different method. This is what Check Point uses in its VPN-1 series.  L With this in mind, you need a device that performs PAT. But the vendor mightG call it NAT as well. The only way to find out is to get an anser to the E question: "With N machines actively working on the internet, how many." external addresses will be used ?"  
 Hans Vlems  H "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> schreef in bericht5 news:01KOMHF7F7YGA23BZ7@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...7I > Experts, please correct me if I am wrong in any of my assumptions while $ > you answer the questions!  Thanks! > I > I will probably soon provide internet access to my hobbyist VMS clustertC > via a DSL router (mainly to save costs since there are attractive  > flat-rate offers about). >gG > At the moment, I have fixed, routable "real" IP addresses and an ISDNu3 > router which does dial-out AND dial-IN on demand.l >nI > I am perfectly happy with this setup from a technical point of view.  Id% > am moving to DSL to decrease costs.u >nG > With a DSL connection, I will have a single IP address visible to the-+ > outside world, namely that of the router.0 > J > One reason for the original setup was that I wanted to be able to accessI > all machines from outside, even though in normal operation it is enougheF > to access the cluster alias.  Now that this works fine, I could justC > point the visible IP address to the cluster alias then connect tosH > another machine once I get inside.  Other reasons were the lack of DSLH > at the location at the time, and the fact that I wasn't aware that theI > possibility of "dynamic" DNS exists so that a changing IP address is no  > real problem.b >wH > A fourth reason is that, in the other direction, more than one addressE > needs to access the internet (even with a cluster alias set up, fordH > example, when I send email it "comes from" a specific machine, not theE > cluster alias, i.e. the cluster alias is just for incoming, not foruC > outgoing, stuff).  This is the main point where I have questions.l >iH > Looking at http://www.garykessler.net/library/tcpip.html#IPcidr I haveJ > the impression that NAT (which the obvious routers I would buy appear toI > support) would be enough AS LONG AS ONLY ONE MACHINE AT A TIME ACCESSESoJ > THE INTERNET.  If, however, more than one machine at a time accesses the. > internet, then I need PAT.  Is this correct? >rH > How big a worry is the "performance hit" due to NAT and especially PAT! > mentioned in the article above?  >dG > If I need PAT but NAT would be better, for whatever reasons, is there B > any way to get the cluster-alias address to be used for OUTgoing > connections as well? >aH > In the end, I would use non-routable internal addresses, with only theG > router address being visible to the outside (and assigned dynamicallyrI > when the DSL connection is initiated), thus I wouldn't need to have any G > real addresses of my own, as I have now.  For a transitional time, ofvI > course, it would be nice to leave the current ISDN connection as is and I > have the DSL functionality as well (at least for outgoing connections).!G > Is it enough to just put the DSL router on the LAN, give it one of myeG > "real" addresses (or could I give it a non-routable address while the I > other machines on the LAN have routable ones) and use this for outgoingeF > connections (keeping incoming ones, for the time being, via the ISDNH > router---or of course allowing additional incoming connections through< > the DSL router, while keeping the ISDN router functional)? >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:12:09 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>aG Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATn' Message-ID: <3DCD41E9.CBAC6E50@fsi.net>l   Phillip Helbig wrote:< > A > > Consumer-grade routers assume that there's only one "outside"w > > address. > J > That is the case here.  The assumption made by consumer-grade routers isI > probably that I have several machines that need outgoing connections AT  > THE SAME TIME. > I > > If you're running a commercial-grade router (Cisco, Linux, etc.), you F > > can make routing more complicated.  You can route packets based onH > > their source and destination IP addresses and port numbers.  You can9 > > also spend lots of hours messing with routing tables.  > # > That's probably MORE than I need.6 > G > > I'm not familiar with "PAT".  But NAT (also known as IP Masquerade) G > > should be all you need.  All machines inside your network can reach B > > out to the Internet, and only certain incoming connections areH > > allowed.  This is exactly what I do at my site -- I have 20 machines7 > > all accessing the Internet through one cable modem.  > J > See Mark Levy's response---it sounds like I really need PAT.  Do your 20J > machines actually access the internet at the same time, or just one at a > time?    Here's what I have here:   3com LANmodem ----++++,                    | +--- 5-port hub --+++++5                    |                     ||+-- WinTelu9                    |                     |+--- Alpha(VMS),8                    |                     +---- uVAX(VMS)                    |*                    +--- 5-port hub --+++++4                                         |+--- Wintel8                                         +---- 486(Linux)  G The second hub is upstairs. The UTP cable runs outside the house and isiE unprotected. I use ports 2 and 4 on the LANmodem's hub because I lost ? port 3 in a (*VERY*!) nearby lightning strike about a year ago.o  B The LANmodem handles the dial-outs (PPP) and is the first-line DNSE server. Anything it can't resolve locally it will dial-out to try ando resolve from a server upline.a  = My local LAN is 192.168.1.x/27 and my local default domain isoG djesys.com. Since the node "www" does not exist on my local LAN (in thedH LANmodem's equivalent of a host table), it dials out to get a resolution on it.  H Dunno if this tells you anything, but it all works quite well using NAT.G I don't do anything exotic here, though when my daughter come home fromeE school she can bring her PC, plug into the network and get an addressrA from the LANmodem via DHCP and do her games, IMs and such with noH& problems other than link speed (56K).   B On this network, I used to run Netscape V3.03 on a VAXstation, butF haven't for some time since the number of sites still usable with suchF an old browser is dwindling rapidly. When I did however, even that had: no problems that weren't related to java(script) and such.  " For what little it may be worth...   -- t David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/U   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:10:59 -0500r* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATh. Message-ID: <3DCD0963.14063.85D66DA@localhost>   Phillip Helbig wrote: A > If you have only one outside address, you'll need to use PAT tonD > allow multiple nodes to make outbound connections simultaneously.    Nope.   B When an inside machine creates an outgoing connection, the router E associates the inside machine's address and port ("N" as an example)  D with the outbound connection.  Packets coming back to the router on B port "N" are sent back to the inside machine.  Any cheap consumer * router will do this for multiple machines.  F What this will NOT work for is FTP -- in FTP, the target system opens E a connection back to the originator (that's the "data connection" it  D mentions at the start of a transfer).  The expensive routers detect A the incoming connection, and route it back to the inside machine.s  E However, as long as you use PASSIVE mode in FTP transfers, you don't o/ need an expensive router.  A cheap one will do.   F My suggestion is to buy a cheap router at the retailer of your choice  and give it a try.
 --Stan Quaylep Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671n1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147r= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.come   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 18:34:12 GMTu* From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATe. Message-ID: <Eycz9.78380$ar4.122980@sccrnsc03>  8 "David Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message% news:aqgrno$h94$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...o= > In article <kbRy9.10747$O71.5436@rwcrnsc53>, "Mark E. Levy"  <levy@sysman-inc.com> writes:eG > >Yes, you want PAT. NAT allows a static translation between an insideoG > >address, and one of a block of "outside" routable addresses. It also  allowsG > >for both inbound and outbound access. PAT allows for multiple insiderH > >addresses to use a single outside address for outbound access. If you haveK > >only one outside address, you'll need to use PAT to allow multiple nodes  to, > >make outbound connections simultaneously. > >b > This isn't quite correct.i >u> > NAT can be configured with either static or dynamic mapping.   ...f  K Note that I said that it "allowed" a static translation - I didn't say thatoJ dynamic was not possible. I was restricting the discussion to the topic atL hand - the use of these low-end broadband routers that are typically used inI a residential setting hanging off of a cable or DSL broadband line. TheseiL routers don't have the features found in, say, a Cisco (cor do they have the cost).   ML   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.620 ************************