1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 10 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 621       Contents: Re: Advanced server 7.3 bug?5 Re: Alpha network performance issues over leased line  AltaVista changes  Re: AltaVista changes  Re: AltaVista changes  ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION: ! RE: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION: ! Re: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION:  Re: HP keyboard problems+ Re: Last call for C-Kermit 8.0.206 binaries  Re: Old documentation - Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen? - Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen? - Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen? 8 Re: The advocacy site's instapol question is VMS related8 RE: The advocacy site's instapol question is VMS related( Re: Vax Macro Porting - Still Struggling8 RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002; Re: VMS mentioned in Comp.risks article on WA pipeline fire $ Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose? Re: XP1000 hardware problem D [OT] Doing my part...(was: Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on...)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:20:26 -05005 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> % Subject: Re: Advanced server 7.3 bug? / Message-ID: <usrgkg6iqojg4f@corp.supernews.com>   5 "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com> wrote in message 3 news:3dcc2e57$0$17645$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net... J > Discovered this today.  While logged on to an Alpha running AS v7.3 then* > $admin to get to AS admin utility, I did2 > set admin/domain=\\alpha to admin the local box. > L > from >sho users  I discovered 3 users listed, Administrator, Guest and Me. > . > I wanted to remove Me, so here's what I did. > : > >remove user Me /server=alpha    (found this in the doc)   From the online help: 	    REMOVE       USER   
    /SERVER      /SERVER=server-name  @    Specifies the name of a server that is a member of the domain  A    from which to remove the user. Do not specify both /DOMAIN and   $    /SERVER on the same command line.  G If the server "alpha" belongs to domain foo, and, "Me" was removed from J domain foo, then, it seems to me that it did exactly what the help says it will do. > L > followed by a warning about the unique number (SID) assigned to each user, > etc.  OK remove user Me  > J > what then echoed was user "Me" removed from domain "domain".    Huh????? I @ > thought I asked AS to delete a local account on /server=alpha. >   F Nope, as I already indicated.  If you wanted to remove Me from the SAMJ database on the member server "alpha", then, all you should have needed toH do was "remover user Me" (after doing the appropriate set admin command, which you did up at the top).     ? > BTW, "domain" has thousands of users, not the 3 listed above.  >   D I suspect that your "SHO USER" command did not include the qualifierK "/server=alpha", becuase if it did, it should have showed you the thousands J fo users.  I wonder why you felt the need to specify a "/server" qualifierE on the REMOVE command, but not on the SHOW command?  I'll bet you are  wondering now too ;^)     I > I now have to have my "domain" account recreated with a bunch of global ( > groups I have no recollection of, etc. > B > Did I do something wrong or might I have found a bug in AS v7.3? >   K Sorry, as far as I can tell, this one is user error.  Now, to your defense, I I will say that the help and documentation for dealing with member server J local SAMs is somewhat thin, but, then again, you really shouldn't need toI be using that local SAM for day to day operations. In fact, you shouldn't  need it all.  
 Brad McCusker  OpenVMS Engineering  Advanced Server Engineering  Littleton MA	 Nashua NH  USA            > --	 > Dave...  > I > It is noble to teach oneself, but still nobler to teach others-and less 
 > trouble. > -----Mark Twain  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:09:04 -0500 From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net>> Subject: Re: Alpha network performance issues over leased line/ Message-ID: <uspuikja4a4ea9@news.supernews.com>   @ Out of curiosity are the SUBNET masks the same on these systems?     DT  5 "Maverick" <maverick902@hotmail.com> wrote in message * news:aqe2qa$khj$1@sparta.btinternet.com... > Hello, > K > We have a strange network performance problem.  We have a 2Mb leased line J > terminated at each end by a Cisco 2600 router.   A Digital Alpha DS20 isK > present in both locations, along with a network of NT boxes. One Alpha is L > loaded with VMS 7.1-2 and the other with 7.2-1.  The network at either end > is Switched ethernet.  >  > So we have >  > | NT boxes|   |DS20 (7.2-1)|) > ____|___________|______      Location A  >                    | >       |Baystack 350 |  >       |10/100 switch | >  >     |Cisco 2651 router|  >                   |  >                   | # >                   |    (2Mb link)  >                   |  >                   |  >     |Cisco 2621 router|  >  >       |Cisco Catalyst| >       |  3500 switch |& > _________|____________    Location B# >          |                      |  > | NT boxes|   |DS20 (7.1-2)| >  > D > All boxes can connect over IP, but performance varies dramatically	 depending  > on the destination box.  > E > In summary, performance declines dramatically when the Alpha is the I > recipient of the data, and is OK otherwise. The alpha in location B has  onlyF > recently moved there.  They used to talk quite happily to each other beforeF > this, when the second Alpha was in another location again.  The only thingsF > that have changed are the routers at each end (used to be Nortel ARNJ > routers) and the seond Alpha now plugs into a Cisco switch rather than a- > Nortel Baystack 350 it plugged into before.  > I > There appears to be no congestion on the link.  Can anyone think of any H > reason why the choice of router (Cisco) would have such an effect, but onlyK > on traffic to the Alphas? Or should I be looking at something else?  Some 1 > measurements on performance are given below.  .  > G > - An FTP put from the DS20 in A to the DS20 in B is dreadful at about  25kB/sL > - An FTP put from the DS20 in B to the DS20 in A is also not good at about > 50kB/sF > - An FTP put from any NT box to any NT box (over the link) is  about 170kB/s  > in both directionsI > - An FTP put from an NT box in A to the DS20 in B is again about 25kB/s L > - An FTP get from an NT box on one side of the link to a DS20 on the other > is about 170kB/sJ > - Local performance from NT boxes to Alpha's (both PUT and GET) seems OK at > about 4MB/s in both locations  >   > Any help greatly appreciated!! >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:11:03 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: AltaVista changes/ Message-ID: <3DCDCE42.7BD25922@vl.videotron.ca>   I I used to have a bookmark for the text version of advanced search on Alta A Vista. If course, with progress, they had to remove that feature.   I Now, I am forced to watch those ads on their normal advanced search page.   < Tonight's featured ad is titled "Penis Enlargement Magazine"  H I couldn't believe it. I normally don't ever click on those links, but IJ couldn't resist. Turns out they directed me to some page trying to sell me camcorders !!!!!!    Where has the web gone ?  + Google will be getting more of my business.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 23:45:53 -0500! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>  Subject: Re: AltaVista changesK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B9A@rlghncst964.usps.gov>    jf-   , A lot of that stuff is targeted advertising.0 Have you checked your system for spyware lately?  5 In other words, if the, um, shoe, um, doesn't fit,...    :^) :^) :^)    WWWebb   >jfmezei wrote:  > J >I used to have a bookmark for the text version of advanced search on AltaB >Vista. If course, with progress, they had to remove that feature. > J >Now, I am forced to watch those ads on their normal advanced search page. > = >Tonight's featured ad is titled "Penis Enlargement Magazine"  > I >I couldn't believe it. I normally don't ever click on those links, but I K >couldn't resist. Turns out they directed me to some page trying to sell me  >camcorders !!!!!! >  >Where has the web gone ?  > , >Google will be getting more of my business. >  ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:45:21 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: AltaVista changes/ Message-ID: <3DCDF271.7209B104@vl.videotron.ca>   
 VAXVMS wrote:  >  > jf-  > . > A lot of that stuff is targeted advertising.2 > Have you checked your system for spyware lately? > 7 > In other words, if the, um, shoe, um, doesn't fit,...   L Ok, I checked my cookie file. Boy was there a lot of lint in there.  But forM the .altavista.com lines, there didn't seem to be any pointers to request ads I about, um, my member... Interesting that those cookies you'd like to stay G (like one NASA uses to know my lat/lon to calculate when the spation is J overhead) don't persist long enough, while those you don't even know about seem to stay there forever.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2002 12:25:57 -0800 % From: mb301@hotmail.com (Mark Bowman) & Subject: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION:= Message-ID: <1d08b916.0211091225.37fc31cf@posting.google.com>   F Could someone tell me what is the lowest level of VMS that will run on ES40?  according to the quick specs:   @ http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10392_na/10392_na.html   Its states OpenVMS 7.2-2.   = However we have other ES40 is a VMScluster running 7.2-1. The E Alphaserver todate has never crashed (120days) and has over 300 users # on it, no problems have been found.    Hp/Compaq don't have a clue.   Regards    Mark   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:07:22 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> * Subject: RE: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION:T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B2B@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Mark,   E OpenVMS V7.2-2 is a maint release over V7.2-1. Therefore, V7.2-1 will G work fine on a ES40. We have a 6 ES40 node cluster running locally with ! no issues on V7.2-1 + maint kits.   G However, given that V7.2-1 is about 2+ years old right now, there are a H number of patches that need to be applied to a base V7.2-1 based system.H I would suggest that if there is a reason why you can not do the currentB shipping vertsion (V7.3-1), then V7.2-2 (+ patches as required) is likely the best approach.   
 Reference:  - Server chart with supported OpenVMS versions: : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/supportchart.html=20   OpenVMS Public Patch site:8 http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml   New features in VMS V7.3-1: : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/v731features.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)      -----Original Message-----/ From: Mark Bowman [mailto:mb301@hotmail.com]=20  Sent: November 9, 2002 3:26 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION:    F Could someone tell me what is the lowest level of VMS that will run on& ES40? according to the quick specs:=20  @ http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10392_na/10392_na.html   Its states OpenVMS 7.2-2.   = However we have other ES40 is a VMScluster running 7.2-1. The H Alphaserver todate has never crashed (120days) and has over 300 users on  it, no problems have been found.   Hp/Compaq don't have a clue.   Regards    Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:14:26 +0100  From: munk@home.nl* Subject: Re: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION:8 Message-ID: <mbuqsusig0sbrghjv29ru2o8v9j18sush3@4ax.com>  B It was 7.2-1. But maybe present day ES40's require 7.2-2 ? Anyway,> 7.2-2 is in fact the same as 7.2-1, only with a lot of patchesD applied. V7.2-2 will go to prior version support january 1st, V7.2-1? is not really supported anymore. Compaq would like you to go to 3 V7.3-1. It is about 20 - 25% faster I've been told.   D On 9 Nov 2002 12:25:57 -0800, mb301@hotmail.com (Mark Bowman) wrote:  G >Could someone tell me what is the lowest level of VMS that will run on  >ES40? >according to the quick specs:   > A >http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10392_na/10392_na.html  >  >Its states OpenVMS 7.2-2. > > >However we have other ES40 is a VMScluster running 7.2-1. TheF >Alphaserver todate has never crashed (120days) and has over 300 users$ >on it, no problems have been found. >  >Hp/Compaq don't have a clue.  >  >Regards >  >Mark    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2002 02:49:11 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Re: HP keyboard problems - Message-ID: <87r8dushnc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   2 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  > > So I put in a good old VT220 terminal, only to find out thatC > triggering a letter no longer worked because the LK201 keyboard's B > logic was too slow. I think it was a serial protocol between the? > keyboard and terminal, whereas on the XL84, it was a parralel  > interface.  C The VT220/LK201 uses RS-232 at AIRC, 4800 baud. The Pro Tech manual > and possinly the 'bow manual had all the nitty gritty details.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:02:02 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: Last call for C-Kermit 8.0.206 binaries5 Message-ID: <_Qdz9.214849$aa2.2720827@news.chello.at>   X In article <aqh3c2$p$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:0 >In article <3DCC0339.8DB24B6F@vl.videotron.ca>,3 >JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  >: Frank da Cruz wrote: K >: > but there's always room for improvement.  If you can build C-Kermit on K >: > any platform for which we don't yet have an 8.0.206 binary, we can put K >: > it on the CDROM if you send it in soon.  You can find the current list  >: > of binaries here: >:  3 >: I'd be willing to build it for VMS 7.2 TCPIP-5.3  >:  N >: However, is there really any differennce between such a build and one built9 >: with TCPIP 5.1 which you already have ? (TCPIP = UCX).  >:  F >That one wouldn't be essential.  It's more important to get builds onF >platforms that have earlier OS's or, in the VMS case, earlier TCP/IP D >versions than the ones for which C-Kermit 8.0.206 is already built. > L >: Also, just a comment, in the list of OS at the top of the page, just use < >: "DEC Tru64, DEC VMS" instead of "DEC/Compaq/HP VMS" etc.  >:  % >: Or as a compromise, "DEC/HP VMS".   >:  M >: The word Compaq doesn't belong anywhere near "VMS" and it just make things 2 >: look far more complicated than they really are. >:G >Understood, but on the other hand if I left it out somebody else would L >complain.  This way more searches succeed.  Also, it *is* more complicated;N >e.g. DEC OSF/1 and Digital Unix, but Compaq and HP Tru64 (DEC never called itN >Tru64, unless I'm mistaken)...  Plus, if you think it's complicated now, just2 >wait til VMS comes out on IA64.  Then we'll have: > N > (VAX vs Alpha vs IA64) x ([Open]VMS version) x (TCP product) x (TCP version)  N Not really. Because [Open]VMS has a great history of beeing upward compatible.  > Built for UCX it will run on TCPIP, Multinet and TCPware also.K Built on ancient/earlier VMS versions it will run on more recent ones also.   < I used an image of 1978 (TAPECOPY.EXE) up to the late 90s...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 23:15:09 GMT   From: Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com> Subject: Re: Old documentationK Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211091609340.6326-100000@localhost.localdomain>   ( On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Paul Williams wrote:  $ > Rob will be sending me the manual   F Yes, indeed.  It should hit the mailbox tonight or tomorrow (I had to D find an envelope that I was sure would not self-destruct before the  package arrived in the UK).   G I really appreciate the work that Paul and other folks like him do.  I  E hate to throw away old documentation.  Putting it someplace where it  = can be available to whoever needs it is a much better option.    Thanks Paul.   - Rob      --    / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:51:30 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen?5 Message-ID: <mzez9.215417$aa2.2728160@news.chello.at>   n In article <Pine.GSO.4.31.0211082123130.24504-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>, Greg Linder <glinder@uiuc.edu> writes:D >	I recently traded some equipment for two Alpha AXP 150 machines. IF >have been trying to get the networking to function properly, with theH >ultimate goal of running Seti @ home on these machines under openVMS. IK >have the two machines clustered and networked to the degree that I am able K >to telnet to and from the boxes by specifying an IP address. FTP and other  >services work as well.   I Sounds good. But why do you think that a AXP150 is something SETI needs ? G They need umpteen hundred MARVELs to ramp up the OpenVMS statistics ;-)   D >	The problem comes when I fire up seti @ home. I get an error alongG >the lines of "host not found- unrecoverable error code thus and so" or I >something of that nature. I am running seti@home using the same commands A >that I do on my other machines, and they all work fine behind my 8 >installation of setiqueue on my PC, except the Alpha's.C >	I am a relative newby to the world of VMS- Trying to maintain and K >find answers to questions about VMS is nearly impossible on the University G >of Illinois campus, seeing as most people seem to regard VMS as a dead K >operating system around here, which is too bad. I have had a very pleasent E >time figuring out VMS to the extent that I have, but this particular J >problem has me stumped- Has anyone else running Seti @ home on VMS/ AlphaJ >version 7.2 experienced these problems? Am I misconfiguring something, or' >is Seti just not functioning properly?   J I do '$ @SETI 1 SUBMIT "-procname"' in the directory I installed SETI intoN and had so far no problems (many months now). I've 2920 (pure VMS) units done.F I did start with V7.1 (IIRC), did V7.2 then and have now V7.3 running.J No difference, so far. I now run V3.03 and did run a previous SETI version% (maybe V3.0, sorry, I don't remember)   9 So, I think, your problem lies in the DNS lookup process. ? SETI@HOME tries to connect to shserver2.ssl.berkeley.edu so try   ' 	$ NSLOOKUP setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu & 	$ NSLOOKUP shserver2.ssl.berkeley.edu  2 and if you get useful answers then ask again here.  F Maybe you have a DNS client problem or maybe you have a default router problem instead...    9 And for VMS problems:	http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ 8 			http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html7 			http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index_nojs.html  			news:comp.os.vms ! 			http://www.openvms.compaq.com/    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2002 07:13:49 GMT 7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) 6 Subject: Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen?! Message-ID: <gbdSay66cpSd@rabbit>    Hi Greg,  ( Welcome to VMS - you made a good choice!  K I run S@H, but not as a back-end to setiqueue, so my comments may not help.   N Are you running behind a university firewall?  If so, have you tried using theM "-proxy" switch on the command line?  The supplied README shows an example of  using the switch.   M Good luck, and please avail yourself of all the online resources that the VMS A community uses (folks, please chime in here with your favorites).   N I'd like to ask the community to refrain from turning this thread into "VMS isJ dead in academia", and to focus on the positive aspects of this exchange. L Perhaps Sue or someone else from HP can forward this thread to the education folks.  n In article <Pine.GSO.4.31.0211082123130.24504-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>, Greg Linder <glinder@uiuc.edu> writes:
 > 	Greetings-  > E > 	I recently traded some equipment for two Alpha AXP 150 machines. I G > have been trying to get the networking to function properly, with the I > ultimate goal of running Seti @ home on these machines under openVMS. I L > have the two machines clustered and networked to the degree that I am ableL > to telnet to and from the boxes by specifying an IP address. FTP and other > services work as well.E > 	The problem comes when I fire up seti @ home. I get an error along H > the lines of "host not found- unrecoverable error code thus and so" orJ > something of that nature. I am running seti@home using the same commandsB > that I do on my other machines, and they all work fine behind my9 > installation of setiqueue on my PC, except the Alpha's. D > 	I am a relative newby to the world of VMS- Trying to maintain andL > find answers to questions about VMS is nearly impossible on the UniversityH > of Illinois campus, seeing as most people seem to regard VMS as a deadL > operating system around here, which is too bad. I have had a very pleasentF > time figuring out VMS to the extent that I have, but this particularK > problem has me stumped- Has anyone else running Seti @ home on VMS/ Alpha K > version 7.2 experienced these problems? Am I misconfiguring something, or ( > is Seti just not functioning properly? > 
 > 	Thank you,  >  > 	Greg Linder > 	glinder@uiuc.edu > > 	Junior in Computer Engineering @ The University of Illinois > 	www.ews.uiuc.edu/~glinder >  >  >  --   Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"  "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 23:57:10 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen?/ Message-ID: <3DCDE71A.A0A24FCF@vl.videotron.ca>    "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote: N > Perhaps Sue or someone else from HP can forward this thread to the education > folks.  G Wouldn't it be cool if HP donated all the unsold Alphas to run the seti J software and that it would be VMS on an Alpha that discrovered intelligent life somewhere out there ?  J I'd hate it to be some windows weenie on an 8086 that makes the discovery.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:08:04 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)A Subject: Re: The advocacy site's instapol question is VMS related 5 Message-ID: <EWdz9.214933$aa2.2724240@news.chello.at>   c In article <M7EIMXKa$PZo@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: X >In article <01C28712.C346BFB0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: > I >> Incidentally, how come there's only 3 "me too"'s on the "please market 0 >> VMS" issue? 3? THREE? That's a lousy turnout. > H >Because compaquseradvocacy.org burnt their bridges by requiring cookies  >or JavaScript (I forget which).  E Naaah. THAT's the reason why I see only answers, but no actual polls. 7 And I thought I'm again too late to answer something...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:27:23 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)A Subject: RE: The advocacy site's instapol question is VMS related 5 Message-ID: <Lcez9.215168$aa2.2723846@news.chello.at>   c In article <ojgtE+o4Ihq6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: X >In article <01C2871F.239B9550@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:H >> It's cookies. Mozilla has the ability to limit cookie lifetime to the@ >> current session, would you consider that sufficient security? > F >No.  They fact that they ask (rather than program correctly) is quite
 >off-putting.    It's not only cookies.  G Try to select "HP User Advocacy Online Surveys" and "click here to take G the HP OpenVMS Survey". You end up with a window asking what to do with - this file because of type: application/msword    Another survey I won't take...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2002 14:45 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 1 Subject: Re: Vax Macro Porting - Still Struggling , Message-ID: <9NOV200214455217@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes... U }In article <zTPlD5G3PFZK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: i }> In article <99c3a525.0211071221.636daae7@posting.google.com>, aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron) writes: E }>> Thanks for the previous help.  I have been looking into the Alpha I }>> calling standards.  I am still unsure of what to do.  I was wondering J }>> if anyone could help me get started on this task by looking at a small@ }>> segment of macro code for me and giving me some suggestions. }>> F }>> ****************************************************************** }>> Initial_FP: .long 0  }>> , }>>   psect $CODE,long,exe,pic,rel,shr,nowrt }>>   , }>>   .entry $Initialize_Tasking,^m<R10,R11> }>  D }> Since someone was apparently attempting to implement a home-grownD }> threads library here, have you considered using a vendor-supplied }> threads library instead?  } E }Possibly because it would increase the difficulty of the programming  }effort for the port.   F Are you sure that it will be easier to port a home-made thread libraryD than to modify the software to use a vendor supplied thread library?  F It might be, but I wouldn't count on it. It is certainly worth lookingE into switching. When porting a program you should always check to see H how hard it would be to reimpliment the complicated bits to use existingE native routines instead of porting your own. Porting a thread library F could be fairly difficult - you may just find yourself doing somethingE a lot like completely reimplementing it rather than just tweaking the E code a little. In that case, why reinvent the wheel? (And end up with C a "wheel" that is likely to have some bugs in it - almost certainly 6 more than are in the already existing native library.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:50:15 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> A Subject: RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B2D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  F Re: last video with VP Oracle Engineering, Swiss Stock Exchange, Carly# and other testimonial statements ..   I I am surprised no one has commented on the Carly portion of the video.=20    Carly Quote:  D "OpenVMS has been recognized for its rock solid reliability for manyH years. It was built from the beginning to endure the test of time. HP isE proud to celebrate its 25th anniversary this year and I am especially G pleased that it continues to attract new Customers and new applications  in key market segments."  
 End quote.  E [ok, ok, its only one small step, but surely this is viewed as a very  positive step?]    :-)    Regards     
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)        -----Original Message-----9 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]=20  Sent: November 9, 2002 1:51 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002      JF Mezei wrote:  >=20 > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > = F rtsp://161.114.48.167:554/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=3D8080,554,7070 > > --stop--=20  > > = F pnm://161.114.48.167:7070/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=3D8080,554,7070 >=20D > Yeah, that is the list of possible "servers" and prototocols to=20D > download that video. (pnm: is usually for slower bandwidth lines). >=20I > There are some utilities to capture the stream and save it. However,=20 H > rtsp is "real time streaming protocol" and its speed adjusts depending  J > on line conditions, so it really needs bidirectional handshaking that=20 > goes on fairly constantly. >=202 > what is wrong with downloading the real player ?  H I have RealPlayer. I'm looking to store the video for archival purposes,D and also to refine the playback until I find the best combination ofC settings without having to wait for it to download on each attempt.    --=20  David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  H Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:25:16 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 / Message-ID: <3DCDC389.544CCF58@vl.videotron.ca>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > I am surprised no one has commented on the Carly portion of the video.  K That is because I didn't bother with it. The HTMO page was bad enough as it M was, I had to lookup source code to see the first video. the PPT file crashed ? on the 3rd slide, and then I gave up lookin for more materials.   - I don't spend time debugging microsoft stuff.     J If you give me the exact url of the .rm file where carly mentions the wordH "VMS" I would take a look at it. Perhaps they had Hollywood concuct someF computer generated video where Carly was made to say "VMS" :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:59:15 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) D Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Comp.risks article on WA pipeline fire< Message-ID: <TAmz9.323984$121.8944225@twister.austin.rr.com>  - Paul Repacholi (prep@prep.synonet.com) wrote:  : < : comp.risks has a bit on the NTSB report on the WA pipeline= : failure and fire from some time ago. The SCADA system was a 
 : cluster. : < IIRC, the two VAXes used DECMessageQ to upgrade each other's< OpenVECTOR databases for the backup system to assume control0 once it detected that the prime system was down.  ? The two VAXes have been upgraded to three Alphas with two CPUs, = a later version of the OpenVECTOR software, and BEA MessageQ.     2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2002 03:13:34 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose? - Message-ID: <87n0oisgip.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  D > Which might happen when Hammer is selling.  Wasn't there some infoC > here a while back about MS running 64 bit windoz on a Hammer, and B > liking the architecure better than IA-64?  Or was that some FUD?  ? Either the register or theinquirer has an article witha pointer = to a 'doze performance thing. The interesting bit is it shows 1 the .NET version as available for IA-64 or AA-64.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:31:15 -0500 From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net>$ Subject: Re: XP1000 hardware problem/ Message-ID: <uspsbndp5p8he8@news.supernews.com>e   Sounds like a dead motherboard    It is I think S or B Cache error   Requires replacmentt  F We might have a board, but you should be able to get it replaced under warranty   Dr    G <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message news:02110614040794@antinode.org...HI >    After some pretty gentle transportation, I formerly happy XP1000 has J > become uncommunicative (no video output, no response at COMM 1).  Of theF > eight LEDs on the main board (D14-D21), D20 and D21 stay on.  I'd beF > grateful for a diagnosis or any suggestions for further exploration. >-J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >0E >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)A5 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orgo >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547i   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2002 17:50:52 GMTd7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton)hM Subject: [OT] Doing my part...(was: Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on...)l! Message-ID: <G1s2laEgtL$0@rabbit>p  M I don't have a Marvel, but I'm trying to do my part with an EV68.  I won't bedK able to use these machines for long, but as long as I'm testing them in the. lab...(warning! wrapped URL):=  , http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/fcgi-bin/4 fcgi?email=sy18889@bosa90.fmr.com&cmd=user_stats_new   :-)R  J I wonder how the 1.25G EV68 compares to similar offerings from IBM or SUN,1 as far as processing S@H workunits is concenrned.i   System Configuration:  ---------------------m System Information:sI System Type   AlphaServer ES45 Model 2B                 Primary CPU ID 00oK Cycle Time    0.8 nsec (1250 MHz)                       Pagesize       8192  Byte .w .b . ( CPU Type       EV68CB  Pass 4.0 (21264C)   (I think this is 16M of cache)  f In article <mzez9.215417$aa2.2728160@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:p > In article <Pine.GSO.4.31.0211082123130.24504-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>, Greg Linder <glinder@uiuc.edu> writes: <snip> > K > Sounds good. But why do you think that a AXP150 is something SETI needs ?eI > They need umpteen hundred MARVELs to ramp up the OpenVMS statistics ;-)m >  <snip> > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER"' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist -- c Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"o "Lose the MAPS"d   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.621 ************************