1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 10 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 622       Contents:A Re: Advanced server: Adding local groups rights on member server.  RE: AltaVista changes , CXML on VMS (Was: re: [OT] Doing my part...)- Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen? + Re: trying to replace pathworks with samba. 8 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002$ Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:55:14 -05005 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> J Subject: Re: Advanced server: Adding local groups rights on member server.. Message-ID: <usrf595s0dm4d@corp.supernews.com>  G Onno and I exchanged mail offline on this topic.  A couple points worth 
 sharing...   In Onno's example below:  H > \\MEMBERSERVER\\CLUSTER_NODE> mod share adv_serv_tst /perm=(test=read); > %PWRK-S-SHAREMOD, share "ADV_SERV_TST" modified on server  > "CLUSTER_NODE"  F Resulted in the MasterDomain group 'test' getting permissions applied,J despite the  fact that he was administering the MEMBERSERVER (as seen fromG the prompt). Onno felt that this was wrong, that the local group 'test' K should have been used.  I agree.  This is what we call a bug.  Onno sent me K some debug traces of the ADMIN commands, and from the debug information, it I looks like ADMIN is looking in the global domain for the local group name I rather than in the local domain. There is some tricky code in a number of G places in ADMIN to make this work in clusters and it looks like one got J missed.  Of course, we discourage using the local SAM, and, I believe mostL customer do not, so, its no surprise to me that this has gone un-noticed for so long.  , Then in a reply posting, I said to try this:  ! >>Did you try "MEMBERSERVER\TEST"   K BZZZZZTTTT!!! I almost lost my ADMIN developer union card on that one.  No, I you can't do that.  There is no "real" domain called MEMBERSERVER, so the K lookup for the name TEST fails because ADMIN tries to find that name in the J specified domain (MEMBERSERVER).  What you need to do is exactly what Onno@ had done, set his focus to the member server local SAM and apply permissions.   Sorry for any confusion,  
 Brad McCusker  OpenVMS Engineering  Advanced Server Engineering  Littleton MA	 Nashua NH  USA       1 "Onno Welling" <wellingo@gvb.nl> wrote in message 7 news:6b3c917e.0211060724.5d9a9887@posting.google.com...  > Hello, > G > In the light of moving a server from one domain to the other, we came  > across this phenomenon:  > > > We have both global groups in a domain and local groups on aD > memberserver (which is a VMS 7.2-2 cluster). Both local and globalF > groups have the same name. We are currently trying to give the local< > group on a memberserver permissions on a share on the same? > memberserver. This appears not possible since Advanced server ( > apparently uses the GLOBAL group name. >  > , > These commands illustrate this phenomenon:* > ****************************************) > \\MASTERDOMAIN\\CLUSTER_NODE> show vers " > Advanced Server V7.3 for OpenVMS > 1 > MASTER_DOMAIN> SET ADMIN /DOMAIN=\\MEMBERSERVER C > %PWRK-S-ADMSET, now administering domain "\\MEMBERSERVER", server  > "CLUSTER_NODE" >  > 1 > Two groups "TEST" exist, both local and global:  >  >  > - > \\MEMBERSERVER\\CLUSTER_NODE> sh group test  > $ > Groups in domain "\\MEMBERSERVER": > + > Group Name            Type    Description = > --------------------  ------  -----------------------------  > TEST                  Local  >  >   Total of 1 group > C > \\MEMBERSERVER\\CLUSTER_NODE> sh group test /domain=MASTER_DOMAIN  > # > Groups in domain "MASTER_DOMAIN":  > + > Group Name            Type    Description D > --------------------  ------  ------------------------------------ > TEST                  Global >  >   Total of 1 group >  >  >  > ; > Now we are giving the group TEST permissions on the share  > adv_serv_tst. 6 > Before giving permissions the share looks like this: >  >  > ; > \\MEMBERSERVER\\CLUSTER_NODE> sh share adv_serv_tst /full  > , > Shared resources on server "CLUSTER_NODE": > & > Name          Type       DescriptionD > ------------  ---------  ----------------------------------------- > ADV_SERV_TST  Directory  >     Path: DIR:[ADV_SERV_TST]1 >     Connections:  Current: 1, Maximum: No limit  >     RMS file format: Stream D >     Directory Permissions: System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RWED, > World: RE E >     File Permissions: System: RWD, Owner: RWD, Group: RWD, World: R  >     Share Permissions:E >         MASTER_DOMAIN\GROUP1                           Full Control  >  >   Total of 1 share >  > + > Now we are giving group TEST permissions: G > (NOTE: we are administring the MEMBERSERVER, not the MASTERDOMAIN!!!)  > H > \\MEMBERSERVER\\CLUSTER_NODE> mod share adv_serv_tst /perm=(test=read); > %PWRK-S-SHAREMOD, share "ADV_SERV_TST" modified on server  > "CLUSTER_NODE" >  > ; > \\MEMBERSERVER\\CLUSTER_NODE> sh share adv_serv_tst /full  > , > Shared resources on server "CLUSTER_NODE": > & > Name          Type       Description > ------------  --------- 9 > -------------------------------------------------------  > ADV_SERV_TST  Directory  >     Path: DIR:[ADV_SERV_TST]1 >     Connections:  Current: 1, Maximum: No limit  >     RMS file format: Stream D >     Directory Permissions: System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RWED, > World: RE E >     File Permissions: System: RWD, Owner: RWD, Group: RWD, World: R  >     Share Permissions:H >         MASTERDOMAIN\GROUP1                                       Full	 > Control H >         MASTERDOMAIN\TEST                                         Read >  >           ^^^^^^^^) >      WE WANT MEMBERSERVER\TEST HERE!!!!  > F > So, in the modify share command, apparently there is no qualifier toF > specify that the group we want to use is the LOCAL group TEST on the > MEMBERSERVER. * > **************************************** >  > Now the question is:A > Does anyone know how to specify a LOCAL group in a modify share H > command? Or any other way to tell the Advanced Server to use the LOCAL% > group instead of the GLOBAL group??  > G > Oh, using UserManager on W2K domain controller is NOT an option here!  > B > We already tried "MASTERDOMAIN\LOCAL_GROUP" constructions in the > modify share command.  >  > " > Help/advise greatly appreciated! >  > Onno Welling.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:56:03 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: AltaVista changes9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEENOGAAA.tom@kednos.com>   6 I guess the camcorder is needed to record progress :-)       >-----Original Message----- 8 >From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]* >Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:11 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: AltaVista changes  >  > J >I used to have a bookmark for the text version of advanced search on AltaB >Vista. If course, with progress, they had to remove that feature. > J >Now, I am forced to watch those ads on their normal advanced search page. > = >Tonight's featured ad is titled "Penis Enlargement Magazine"  > I >I couldn't believe it. I normally don't ever click on those links, but I K >couldn't resist. Turns out they directed me to some page trying to sell me  >camcorders !!!!!! >  >Where has the web gone ?  > , >Google will be getting more of my business. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Nov 2002 08:13:48 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) 5 Subject: CXML on VMS (Was: re: [OT] Doing my part...) ! Message-ID: <zlmoeNCtkI4V@rabbit>   O My understanding is that the S@H "results" would be invalid, if any sort of O/S N "tuning" or "tweaking" would take place - of course, that begs the question ofN whether or not the algoritm, since it was most likely developed on a UN*X box,B is already "tuned" for UN*X environments, to the detriment of VMS.  L I wonder what the workunit/day rate would be on TRU64 vs. OpenVMS, given the" exact same hardware configuration?  f In article <byrz9.222412$aa2.2796710@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:] > In article <G1s2laEgtL$0@rabbit>, sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: O >>I don't have a Marvel, but I'm trying to do my part with an EV68.  I won't be M >>able to use these machines for long, but as long as I'm testing them in the  >>lab...(warning! wrapped URL):  >>. >>http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/fcgi-bin/6 >>fcgi?email=sy18889@bosa90.fmr.com&cmd=user_stats_new > P > Sounds good. But look who many units VMS (or Alpha) has to catch up. Millions.C > You really need umpteen THOUSANDS of your machine (or MARVELs)...  > O > Boy would have that been great if S@H had allowed the use of the CXML on VMS. O > 1 hour instead of over 11 per unit the same machine would have kicked them...  >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist --   Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"  "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:08:52 GMT * From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>6 Subject: Re: Seti at home under OpenVMS 7.2 on Jensen?< Message-ID: <8Cnz9.35456$og.70400@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3DCDE71A.A0A24FCF@vl.videotron.ca...  > "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote: F > > Perhaps Sue or someone else from HP can forward this thread to the	 education 
 > > folks. > I > Wouldn't it be cool if HP donated all the unsold Alphas to run the seti L > software and that it would be VMS on an Alpha that discrovered intelligent > life somewhere out there ?  G Well, we can hope that SETI@HOME isn't looking at (pre-merger) Compaq - I it'll never find any intelligent life there no matter how many Alphas are H thrown at it. Particularly those 'induhviduals' who made the decision to drop Alpha.    ML   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2002 09:18:43 -0800- From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) 4 Subject: Re: trying to replace pathworks with samba.= Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0211100918.1d9235a6@posting.google.com>     thanks Mike I will give it a try    n "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message news:<kjzy9.27$dJ4.92790@news.uswest.net>...N > I got the same error until I did a full compile from the sources.  Also, youF > need to remove the PWIP_DRIVER (Pathworks IP Driver) since it's also > attempting to use port 139.  >  > Mike Ober. > < > "rob merritt" <merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca> wrote in message9 > news:b6bf97d5.0211070657.40567be9@posting.google.com... H > > Hi I have a ovms axp machine with PW 6.1 installed my boss wanted to > > give samba a tryG > > (we need to upgrade our pwlmxxx7.02 lics to 7.03 to use the PW-AS). I > > So I set about shutting down PW and making sure it would not restart.  > > then I install Samba > > and start it up and get: > >  > >  > > $! > > $ set noon" > > $ define/user sys$output nla0:! > > $ define/user sys$error nla0:   > > $ tcpip disable service smbd > > $ tcpip set service smbd - > >         /protocol=TCP -  > >         /port=139 -  > >         /flags=listen -  > >         /user=SYSTEM - > >         /process=SMBD - 4 > >         /file=SAMBA_ROOT:[BIN]SMBD_STARTUP.COM -> > >         /log=(FILE:SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]SMBD_STARTUP.LOG,ALL) - > >         /limit=100* > > $ tcpip set config enable service smbd@ > > %TCPIP-E-CONFIGERROR, error processing configuration request+ > > -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value  > > $ tcpip enable service smbd  > > $! > > + > > is there some embedded PW that I missed  > > ! > > TCPIP> show config ena serv *  > >  > > Enable serviceA > >      LPD, PWIP_DRIVER, REXEC, RLOGIN, RSH, SMBD, SMTP, TELNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:52:33 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 8 Message-ID: <jp5ssugml7n5ce574jlfd3vd33tbj9qnhe@4ax.com>  D On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:50:15 -0500, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:  G >Re: last video with VP Oracle Engineering, Swiss Stock Exchange, Carly $ >and other testimonial statements .. > H >I am surprised no one has commented on the Carly portion of the video.  > 
 >Carly Quote:  > E >"OpenVMS has been recognized for its rock solid reliability for many I >years. It was built from the beginning to endure the test of time. HP is F >proud to celebrate its 25th anniversary this year and I am especiallyH >pleased that it continues to attract new Customers and new applications >in key market segments."  >  >End quote.  > F >[ok, ok, its only one small step, but surely this is viewed as a very >positive step?] >  >:-)  D Sure it is positive. It would be even more positive if we could haveF such a statement in nice public advertisement, celebrating 25 years of; OpenVMS. That way the rest of the world would be told too.    E With all respect, it is the same story as we have heard so often over E the past years. Digital/Compaq/HP telling us what a great OS we have, E as if we did not know. But when it comes to actualy marketing OpenVMS D (even a tiny little bit), making it very public that OpenVMS is hereD to stay, telling the world how good it is, then there is nothing but1 deafening silence from the marketing department.    D The only way you will ever know about these statements from Carly isA when you are already interested in OpenVMS, and when you read the D OpenVMS web pages. Otherwise you will belong to the vast majority ofF IT people who think that OpenVMS is something ancient that looks a bitF like MS-Dos, and is almost dead. And certainly not something you would use for a new project.  @ Sorry, but this is what we experience every day, despite Carly'sD peptalk. No one can change that image but HP itself . And as long HP? does not admit that and starts doing something about it, all of C Carly's peptalk is just preaching for the OpenVMS congregation, and * that doesn't impress us very much anymore.   >  >Regards >  >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co. " >Consulting & Integration Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax   : 613-591-4477  >Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom . >    (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s) >  >  >  >-----Original Message----- 8 >From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]  >Sent: November 9, 2002 1:51 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComB >Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 >  >  >JF Mezei wrote: >>   >> "David J. Dachtera" wrote: I >> > rtsp://161.114.48.167:554/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070  >> > --stop-- I >> > pnm://161.114.48.167:7070/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070  >>  C >> Yeah, that is the list of possible "servers" and prototocols to  E >> download that video. (pnm: is usually for slower bandwidth lines).  >>  H >> There are some utilities to capture the stream and save it. However, I >> rtsp is "real time streaming protocol" and its speed adjusts depending  > I >> on line conditions, so it really needs bidirectional handshaking that   >> goes on fairly constantly.  >>  3 >> what is wrong with downloading the real player ?  > I >I have RealPlayer. I'm looking to store the video for archival purposes, E >and also to refine the playback until I find the best combination of D >settings without having to wait for it to download on each attempt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:54:07 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 * Message-ID: <00A16C27.92A9FFD4.1@decus.de>  3 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:    > "Main, Kerry" wrote:C > > I am surprised no one has commented on the Carly portion of the  video. > @ > That is because I didn't bother with it. The HTMO page was bad enough as itB > was, I had to lookup source code to see the first video. the PPT file crashedA > on the 3rd slide, and then I gave up lookin for more materials.  > / > I don't spend time debugging microsoft stuff.  >  > C > If you give me the exact url of the .rm file where carly mentions  the wordE > "VMS" I would take a look at it. Perhaps they had Hollywood concuct  someD > computer generated video where Carly was made to say "VMS" :-) :-) :-)   E And those poor contemporaries connecting to the ISP via dial-up lines 1 don't bother at all downloading video streams ...    Michael    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Nov 02 10:18:49 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) A Subject: RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 ) Message-ID: <Ex4vzOlpzDOu@elias.decus.ch>   ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B2D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:H > Re: last video with VP Oracle Engineering, Swiss Stock Exchange, Carly% > and other testimonial statements ..  > K > I am surprised no one has commented on the Carly portion of the video.=20  >  > Carly Quote: > F > "OpenVMS has been recognized for its rock solid reliability for manyJ > years. It was built from the beginning to endure the test of time. HP isG > proud to celebrate its 25th anniversary this year and I am especially I > pleased that it continues to attract new Customers and new applications  > in key market segments." >  > End quote. > G > [ok, ok, its only one small step, but surely this is viewed as a very  > positive step?]  >   < I don't have Real Player, so cannot see the video, so thanks	 for that.   > Meanwhile here in Switzerland hp are unveiling the EV7 at a do@ on the 28th November. An OpenVMS Technology Forum in the morning7 presented by Nigel Barker and Ake Blomberg, with a more ? customer/management orientated session in the afternoon. Either $ session can be booked independently.   Details (in German) at: & http://www.hp.com/ch/events/wonderland   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:17:39 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 * Message-ID: <00A16C44.0218D286.3@decus.de>  2 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > > Ken Robinson wrote:  > > > ? > > > I just noticed that the PowerPoint presentation is now at J > > > <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/openvms_at_25.htm>. This. > > > includes the two videos that were shown. > > 5 > > If you have javascript disabled, One video is at: J > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/openvms_at_25_files/slide03 33.htm > A > Has anyone managed to download just the video for playback at a G > convenient time? All my efforts to hack at it have been unsuccessful.   D I just found my copy of the "Compaq OpenVMS Business Solutions 2002"C CD-ROM. It contains a MPEG video "OpenVMS Opener" -- about 46 MB of @ data. So I would expect the two video streams mentioned are of a
 similar size.   ) "Convenient for download"? Not really ...    Michael    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2002 13:35:18 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Was OpenVMS left out on purpose? - Message-ID: <87d6pernqh.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  , > David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   F > > Which might happen when Hammer is selling.  Wasn't there some infoE > > here a while back about MS running 64 bit windoz on a Hammer, and D > > liking the architecure better than IA-64?  Or was that some FUD?   F > Either the register or theinquirer has an article witha pointer to aC > 'doze performance thing. The interesting bit is it shows the .NET * > version as available for IA-64 or AA-64.   Now that I have the URL,4 http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/index.php?location=sware+ for anyone who wants to see for themselves.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.622 ************************