1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 11 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 624       Contents:@ Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in Re: Advanced server 7.3 bug? Re: AltaVista changes  Re: AltaVista changes  Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom% Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP % Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP % Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP % Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP ' Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on + RE: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on + Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on + Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on + Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on + Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on + Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on + Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on  Detecting a serial device  Re: Detecting a serial device  DHCP GUI crashes , TCPIP 5.3  Re: DHCP GUI crashes , TCPIP 5.3  Re: DHCP GUI crashes , TCPIP 5.3+ Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995 + Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995 ! Re: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION: ! RE: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION: / Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!! ; Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month ; Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month   Re: Graphics files and wallpaper- Re: Hobbyist License programs under Emulators - Re: Hobbyist License programs under Emulators  Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP keyboard problems' HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? + Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? + Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? + Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? + Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? + Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? . Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/Plus7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek 7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek 7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek 7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek " It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye Re: OpenVMS & XDMCP - Postscript printers and Mozilla/CSWB printing 9 Re: RISKS of VMS system mismanagement or misconfiguration   Re: Slow performance with BACKUP  Re: Slow performance with BACKUP( Re: Vax Macro Porting - Still Struggling( RE: Vax Macro Porting - Still Struggling8 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20028 RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT; Re: VMS mentioned in Comp.risks article on WA pipeline fire ; RE: VMS mentioned in Comp.risks article on WA pipeline fire ! Re: What is DAP status code 5067?  WorldCom and HP together ! ! ! Re: XP1000 hardware problem   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:43:56 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> I Subject: Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in 2 Message-ID: <0fQz9.27$C32.147589@news.cpqcorp.net>  I Did you corrupt something?  Try wiping out all the stuff in your personal A [.dt...] area.  Perhaps something in one of the files got munged.   K The "wandering X" is the built-in (inside the X-Server) non-blanking screen J saver.  The screen savers are a bit crazy, since itwas less designed, thanH "grew" in the X11 world.  The device driver has a video bloanking screenF saver that gets kicked in if enabled.  The server DIX has both a blankI screen (which usually causes the device driver to kick in) as well as the K floating X.  Then CDE has *it's* screen savers which are really full screen G override-redirect windows that it manages using a little application it  spawns.   D Sounds like non-blanking is selected, but the CDE screen saver isn't running.   _Fred   $ Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...F >I temporarily booted an AlphaStation 250 from V7.2-something in orderI >to run DOCUMENT/IMAGE.  After doing that, I found that my "blank screen" F >screen saver (when logged in) changed to (what I consider annoying) a  >"wandering X of various sizes". > J >But when I booted back to V7.3, I find the same behavior for my username.; >The CDE control panel says I have selected "blank screen".  > " >Does anyone have any suggestions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:47:27 -0600 & From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net>% Subject: Re: Advanced server 7.3 bug? 9 Message-ID: <3dcffb3d$0$17654$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net>   > "Specifies the name of a server that is a member of the domain from which to remove the user."   K As I interpreted the above sentence, it meant (incorrectly as it turns out) . remove the user from the server in the domain.  G I accept the mistake I made, but wonder if others won't stumble here as  well.    Dave...   @ "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> wrote in message) news:usrgkg6iqojg4f@corp.supernews.com...  > 7 > "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com> wrote in message 5 > news:3dcc2e57$0$17645$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net... L > > Discovered this today.  While logged on to an Alpha running AS v7.3 then, > > $admin to get to AS admin utility, I did4 > > set admin/domain=\\alpha to admin the local box. > > J > > from >sho users  I discovered 3 users listed, Administrator, Guest and Me.  > > 0 > > I wanted to remove Me, so here's what I did. > > < > > >remove user Me /server=alpha    (found this in the doc) >  > From the online help:  >    REMOVE  > 	 >    USER  >  >    /SERVER >  >    /SERVER=server-name > B >    Specifies the name of a server that is a member of the domain > C >    from which to remove the user. Do not specify both /DOMAIN and  > & >    /SERVER on the same command line. > I > If the server "alpha" belongs to domain foo, and, "Me" was removed from L > domain foo, then, it seems to me that it did exactly what the help says it
 > will do. > > H > > followed by a warning about the unique number (SID) assigned to each user,  > > etc.  OK remove user Me  > > L > > what then echoed was user "Me" removed from domain "domain".    Huh????? > I B > > thought I asked AS to delete a local account on /server=alpha. > >  > H > Nope, as I already indicated.  If you wanted to remove Me from the SAML > database on the member server "alpha", then, all you should have needed toJ > do was "remover user Me" (after doing the appropriate set admin command, > which you did up at the top).  >  > A > > BTW, "domain" has thousands of users, not the 3 listed above.  > >  > F > I suspect that your "SHO USER" command did not include the qualifierC > "/server=alpha", becuase if it did, it should have showed you the 	 thousands L > fo users.  I wonder why you felt the need to specify a "/server" qualifierG > on the REMOVE command, but not on the SHOW command?  I'll bet you are  > wondering now too ;^)  >  > K > > I now have to have my "domain" account recreated with a bunch of global * > > groups I have no recollection of, etc. > > D > > Did I do something wrong or might I have found a bug in AS v7.3? > >  > D > Sorry, as far as I can tell, this one is user error.  Now, to your defense,K > I will say that the help and documentation for dealing with member server L > local SAMs is somewhat thin, but, then again, you really shouldn't need toK > be using that local SAM for day to day operations. In fact, you shouldn't  > need it all. >  > Brad McCusker  > OpenVMS Engineering  > Advanced Server Engineering  > Littleton MA > Nashua NH  > USA  >  >  >  >  >  > > -- > > Dave...  > > K > > It is noble to teach oneself, but still nobler to teach others-and less  > > trouble. > > -----Mark Twain  > >  > >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:01:54 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>  Subject: Re: AltaVista changes5 Message-ID: <aqogpg$bnsbe$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>   = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3DCDCE42.7BD25922@vl.videotron.ca... K > I used to have a bookmark for the text version of advanced search on Alta C > Vista. If course, with progress, they had to remove that feature.  > K > Now, I am forced to watch those ads on their normal advanced search page.  >     H Are you sure you went to altavista.com? One time I manually typed in theL address instead of using my bookmarks and I transposed two letters (I forgetK which ones) and I was taken to a site that looked a lot like Altavista, but J every link it gave to a search brought up something that I did not want toK see. (i.e. search for VMS, see a link for www.digital.com , click on it and  be taken to some porn site).  I I just went to http://ca-en.altavista.com/ and the only ads I see are for  Altavista itself.    -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:15:53 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>  Subject: Re: AltaVista changes' Message-ID: <3DCFE5C9.886D223F@vcu.edu>   F you may need the lavasoft.com's ad-aware program... i worked on one of8 my friends's puters, and found oh, only 86 worms.... ;-D  H boy she was grossed, remembering her dog worms........... hee hee hee...   JF Mezei wrote:  > K > I used to have a bookmark for the text version of advanced search on Alta C > Vista. If course, with progress, they had to remove that feature.  > K > Now, I am forced to watch those ads on their normal advanced search page.  > > > Tonight's featured ad is titled "Penis Enlargement Magazine" > J > I couldn't believe it. I normally don't ever click on those links, but IL > couldn't resist. Turns out they directed me to some page trying to sell me > camcorders !!!!!!  >  > Where has the web gone ? > - > Google will be getting more of my business.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 02:24:09 -0800% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> % Subject: Capellas to head up WorldCom ( Message-ID: <aqo0g9024i@drn.newsguy.com>  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173     * Mike "Curly" Capellas to head up Worldcom    No, we're not joking  . By Mike Magee: Monday 11 November 2002, 09:56     K TODAY'S WALL STREET JOURNAL reckons that fun loving ex Dynegy director Mike N "Curly" Capellas, who was CEO of Compaq and currently works for Princess Carly@ Fiorina at the New Age P, is tipped as the next CEO of Worldcom.N The normally cautious WSJ, when it runs stories like this, is usually spot-on, we can add.   N Worldcom has been through a bit of a tough patch after a $9 billion accounting7 scandal and perhaps Curly is the right man for the job.   J Before he gets the job, he has to have the imprimatur of a court appointed administrator.  P The paper claims that Worldcom is interested in Capellas because he "stabilised" Compaq. Yeah, right.  F Carly, the same report claims, is very supportive of Curly moving out.  - It would be the end of an era, nay an epoch.     WSJ External link .              ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:30:06 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) ) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom < Message-ID: <ipNz9.316850$Fw2.9375801@twister.austin.rr.com>  & Alan Greig (a.greig@virgin.net) wrote:+ : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173  , : Mike "Curly" Capellas to head up Worldcom  :  : [snip  :  : WSJ External link . :   " Here's a free link to the story...  I    http://money.cnn.com/2002/11/11/news/companies/capellas.reut/index.htm J    HP's Capellas reportedly leads list to be WorldCom CEO. - Nov. 11, 2002  D   "Report puts computer executive on short list to head up embattled    telecom outift.     F    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hewlett-Packard Co. President Michael CapellasD    tops the list of possible successors to WorldCom Inc.'s departingI    Chief Executive Officer John Sidgmore, the Wall Street Journal said on 3    Monday, citing people familiar with the matter.       B    WorldCom's board informally "has already signed off" on pickingH    Capellas for the job, according to one person close to the situation,    the newspaper said.     G    The five creditors' committee representatives on the search panel at G    WorldCom, which is operating under bankruptcy-court protection, "are B    all enthusiastic" about Capellas, the same person was quoted as    telling the newspaper..."     2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 07:30:24 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0211110730.26c69dd@posting.google.com>  U Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<aqo0g9024i@drn.newsguy.com>... + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173   >   , > Mike "Curly" Capellas to head up Worldcom  >  > No, we're not joking > 0 > By Mike Magee: Monday 11 November 2002, 09:56  >  > M > TODAY'S WALL STREET JOURNAL reckons that fun loving ex Dynegy director Mike P > "Curly" Capellas, who was CEO of Compaq and currently works for Princess CarlyB > Fiorina at the New Age P, is tipped as the next CEO of Worldcom.P > The normally cautious WSJ, when it runs stories like this, is usually spot-on,
 > we can add.  > P > Worldcom has been through a bit of a tough patch after a $9 billion accounting9 > scandal and perhaps Curly is the right man for the job.  > L > Before he gets the job, he has to have the imprimatur of a court appointed > administrator. > R > The paper claims that Worldcom is interested in Capellas because he "stabilised" > Compaq. Yeah, right. >   + stabilized them?  more like gutted them ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:43:47 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom I Message-ID: <nuOz9.54961$MGm1.36813@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   J One has to wonder if he runs a real company that depends on computers thanI need to be reliable, whether he'll begin to appreciate OpenVMS and Alpha.   
 Probably not.   ) Anyway, I hope he takes Winkler with him.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:04:47 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom / Message-ID: <3DCFF13E.4EFD522C@vl.videotron.ca>    Alan Greig wrote:  > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173 > + > Mike "Curly" Capellas to head up Worldcom   M Why would anyone want Capellas ? Ironic that MCI, one of the few "real" parts I of the .COM Worldcom was/is a big VMS customer. Can't wait to see Curly's " order to get rid of VMS at MCI :-)  N Frankly, I am not surprised that Capellas would be leaving HP. After a merger,C the guy who gets the "also ran" job usually doesn't stay very long.   L But I really can't imagine why Worldcom would want a guy who ran Compaq intoM oblivion as its new CEO in charge of refloating Worldcom. And considering the J question of ethics, which, for worldcom is a hot issue, hiring the guy who. broke commitments to Alpha wouldn't help much.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:36:00 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom 5 Message-ID: <aqotas$bvoui$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   7 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> schreef in bericht 6 news:d7791aa1.0211110730.26c69dd@posting.google.com...2 > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message$ news:<aqo0g9024i@drn.newsguy.com>..., > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173 > > - > > Mike "Curly" Capellas to head up Worldcom  > >  > > No, we're not joking > > 1 > > By Mike Magee: Monday 11 November 2002, 09:56  > >  > > J > > TODAY'S WALL STREET JOURNAL reckons that fun loving ex Dynegy director MikeL > > "Curly" Capellas, who was CEO of Compaq and currently works for Princess Carly D > > Fiorina at the New Age P, is tipped as the next CEO of Worldcom.I > > The normally cautious WSJ, when it runs stories like this, is usually  spot-on, > > we can add.  > > G > > Worldcom has been through a bit of a tough patch after a $9 billion 
 accounting; > > scandal and perhaps Curly is the right man for the job.  > > D > > Before he gets the job, he has to have the imprimatur of a court	 appointed  > > administrator. > > G > > The paper claims that Worldcom is interested in Capellas because he  "stabilised" > > Compaq. Yeah, right. > >  > - > stabilized them?  more like gutted them ...   " Dead is a fairly stable condition./ Perhaps he should set up shop with B.Palmer....    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2002 21:17:34 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) . Subject: Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP3 Message-ID: <fF1CaVVbwu0x@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <ma6osukfjf6l74a3cmqecedkb6bj0rvo3k@4ax.com>, munk@home.nl writes: E > On 8 Nov 2002 12:08:39 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  > wrote: > O >>In article <i1vnsu0q5vndf5nl4jf1clnu85s7mq4fpm@4ax.com>, munk@home.nl writes:  >> >>> B >>> Now there is something very strange with VMS TCPIP clustering.I >>> Normally you can have only one master DNS server, however with VMS it D >>> is possible to build a clustered DNS server. That is wonderfull,G >>> because if one of the nodes in the cluster goes down, the other one : >>> will still be a master DNS server. A real VMS virtue ! >>> G >>> Now comes the less nice part. You can not use this clustered master I >>> DNS server with dynamic updates ! The reason is that only the cluster I >>> member that receives the update will know about the update. The other = >>> node(s) will not know of this update, because there is no > >>> synchronisation mechanism over the cluster members for the  >>> distribution of the updates. >>> J >>> So we can build clustered master DNS servers for maximum availability,C >>> and we can build clustered production systems, also for maximum @ >>> availability, but we can't combine the two. Very unpleasant. >>>  >>! >>	Unless I am misinterpreting...  >>( >>	You don't need clustered DNS servers. >>< >>	There are products similar to the following... substitute >>	your favorite product...  >>	 >>	NetID:  >>? >>http://www.nortelnetworks.com/products/01/optivity/opt_netid/  >>A >>	You make the changes on the NetID Admin Server and the changes > >>	are pushed out to the NetID servers.  Here is an editorial D >>	comment on NetID... don't think it is true DNS as we know it.  It' >>	is a nice GUI wrapper around DNS ...  >>M >>http://www.nortelnetworks.com/products/01/optivity/opt_netid/faq_dns.html#8  >>H >>Q: Why would I replace my DNS Servers with Optivity NetID DNS Servers? >>P >>A: The Optivity NetID DNS Server eliminates the need to produce and distributeG >>DNS configuration files. Optivity NetID DNS Servers are automatically O >>configured from the Management Console and receive automatic updates from the D >>Server Manager/database. When the DNS Server starts, it builds itsP >>configuration from the Optivity NetID database. When there are changes made toO >>static addresses in the database, the Server Manager pushes these changes out L >>to the DNS Server. When a DHCP Server issues a dynamic address, the ServerO >>Manager updates the database. From the database, the Server Manager sends the   >>new address to the DNS Server. >>5 >>	In most cases, you have multiple "master" servers.  >>@ >>	The feature or tool missing in what you describe is of courseG >>	the method to push the changes to the other VMS servers in realtime.  >>F >>	The AIX boys nearby used to have a very nice Perl script to provideB >>	this functionality when managing DNS.  Perhaps you can write a > >>	DCL/Perl script to force changes to all your DNS servers in( >>	real-time?  Is that the wrong answer? >>	 >>				Rob  >  > Actualy, yes :-) > B > With DHCP as you will know a client asks a DHCP server for an IPG > address (and other IP stuff like gateway etc.). Once the clients gets D > that, the whole thing is rather static. The client will use the IPH > address basically as long as it is on line. Usually you will combine a. > DHCP server with a DNS server in one system. > H > The dynamic updates I am referring to are very different. Let's say weD > have a DNS name VMSCLUSTER(.compaq.com), and it is used with a two7 > node cluster with IP addresses 10.1.1.1 and 10.1.1.2.  > A > Now what will happen is that every 30 seconds the loadbroker in B > conjunction with the metric server will check which node has theE > lowest load. Then the loadbroker will send the name VMSCLUSTER with G > the appropiate IP address to the master DNS server. So it may well be F > that VMSCLUSTER has IP address 10.1.1.1 now, and 30 seconds later itC > has IP address 10.1.1.2. And this this will go on the whole time.  > 2 > So the Nortel thing is something very different. >   = 	I need to point out that I had that last post turned around.   A 	The client polls a DNS server to resolve VMSCLUSTER.  VMSCLUSTER < 	is resolved by the nodes offering the service.  TTL ensures@ 	that the info is only cached for 1 minute.  I suppose you could= 	be abusive and lower that, but 1 minute is good enough (also @ 	Multinet recalculates load every minute so a 1 minute TTL makes 	sense).   $ mu netc domain show - Connected to NETCONTROL server on "LOCALHOST" E < node2.holder.domain.com Network Control V4.3(10) at Sun 10-Nov-2002  10:51PM-EST ' < Service VMSCLUSTER.HOLDER.DOMAIN.COM: % <   Nodename      Address      Rating % <   --------  ---------------  ------ & <   NODE1     199.99.10.1          250& <   NODE2     199.99.10.3          237& <   NODE3     199.99.10.9          245
 < End of line    $ mu nslook VMSCLUSTER Server:  LOCALHOST Address:  127.0.0.1   % Name:    VMSCLUSTER.holder.domain.com 1 Addresses:  199.99.10.1, 199.99.10.9, 199.99.10.3   & 	NODE1, NODE2 or NODE3 will pass back:  & 	199.99.10.1, 199.99.10.9, 199.99.10.3  I 	If queried, until the load changes.  No load broker, no metric server.     6 http://www.process.com/techsupport/multinet/787/9.html6 http://www.process.com/techsupport/multinet/787/8.html  B 	I'm assuming in your case, the master DNS server has a TTL of 30 	 	seconds.   ; 	One thing that seems rather odd is the concept of a master 9 	DNS server to work in conjunction with the load balancer 7 	you describe.  You had mentioned earlier the downside.   ? 	Can you detail the flow or reference online, TCPIP load broker ; 	and metric services?  I'm curious to know more, having not  	worked with it.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:31:25 +0100 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> . Subject: Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP6 Message-ID: <3dcf4ebd$0$46613$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Rob Young wrote: > J >>        The client polls a DNS server to resolve VMSCLUSTER.  VMSCLUSTERE >>        is resolved by the nodes offering the service.  TTL ensures I >>        that the info is only cached for 1 minute.  I suppose you could F >>        be abusive and lower that, but 1 minute is good enough (alsoI >>        Multinet recalculates load every minute so a 1 minute TTL makes  >>        sense).  >  > M > It has often been said that VMS's clustering andTCPIP services provided far M > superior and faster response to redirect traffic when a node failed so that + > incoming calls get redirected right away.  > M > But in the current explanation, wouldn't it take at least one minute before ? > the DNS server starts to send requests to the "backup" node ?  > P > Furthermore, if you have oodles of short transactions (say:  a web server), doJ > I understand correctly and the above mechanism will NOT distribute thoseL > transactions to all nodes, but rather send them all to the least busy nodeM > (making that node the most busy, and other nodes very unused), and a minute O > later, will redirect traffic to a new node (making that one the most busy and * > all other ones the least busy) etc etc ?  G Well, we are talking TCP/IP of course, and that usually means that you  H can not, or at most with a lot of trouble, do what you are used to with @ DECnet or LAT. But then again, we keep network management happy!  E You could use a combination of multiple DNS A records (which will be  D served in a round-robin fashion) and dynamic updating of DNS by the I loadbroker. In that way you have load balancing between multiple systems  F where each system gets a share of the load, but without really taking C the actual load into account. You would increase the availability,  I however, because if one system becomes unavailable, it would get removed  	 from DNS.   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:51:08 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP. Message-ID: <3DCF8B7D.F1A2E3C@vl.videotron.ca>   Bart Zorn wrote:F > You could use a combination of multiple DNS A records (which will beE > served in a round-robin fashion) and dynamic updating of DNS by the 
 > loadbroker.    ok, so I could do:   www.chocolate.com	A	10.0.0.10  				A	10.0.0.11  				A	10.0.0.12     L ? I just tried multiple nslookups with www.microsoft.com and indeed, it doesN seem like the DNS servers rearrange the list, taking the first one and sending; it to the bottom of the list with each subsequent requests.       D > the actual load into account. You would increase the availability,J > however, because if one system becomes unavailable, it would get removed > from DNS.   N If 10.0.0.11 goes down, will the loadbroker be able to remove it from the listJ of A records ? Will it be smart enough to put it back in the list when the host becomes available again ?  M Or would www.chocolate.com be setup dynamically by loadbroker to begin with ? * (eg: not written in the .db file itseldf).  J Also, what keywords should I be looking for in the doc if I want to enable6 dynamic updates to the dns database on my vms system ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:07:09 +0100 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> . Subject: Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP6 Message-ID: <3dcf9d6d$0$46609$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Bart Zorn wrote: > F >>You could use a combination of multiple DNS A records (which will beE >>served in a round-robin fashion) and dynamic updating of DNS by the 
 >>loadbroker.  >  >  > ok, so I could do: >  > www.chocolate.com	A	10.0.0.10  > 				A	10.0.0.11  > 				A	10.0.0.12  >  > N > ? I just tried multiple nslookups with www.microsoft.com and indeed, it doesP > seem like the DNS servers rearrange the list, taking the first one and sending= > it to the bottom of the list with each subsequent requests.    Yes, that's how it works.     D >>the actual load into account. You would increase the availability,J >>however, because if one system becomes unavailable, it would get removed >>from DNS.  >  > P > If 10.0.0.11 goes down, will the loadbroker be able to remove it from the listL > of A records ? Will it be smart enough to put it back in the list when the  > host becomes available again ?  $ Yes, it can be configured like that.  O > Or would www.chocolate.com be setup dynamically by loadbroker to begin with ? , > (eg: not written in the .db file itseldf). > L > Also, what keywords should I be looking for in the doc if I want to enable8 > dynamic updates to the dns database on my vms system ?  A It's been a while since I used a setup like this. Have a look at  M http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/tcpip51/6526/6526pro_010.html#lbroker_chap   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:38:11 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 0 Subject: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on8 Message-ID: <20021111083811.08267a8c.mathog@caltech.edu>  4 Looks like Worldcom is next for the Curly treatment:  *   http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173  A At least with Worldcom, already in Chapter 11, there won't be any D need to disguise Curly's role as the Liquidator.  That is, unlike atG Compaq, where they pretended he was actually trying to run the company.  In one sense or another.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:39:22 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 4 Subject: RE: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEPAGAAA.tom@kednos.com>   7 He must have had an acceleration of his merger options.    >-----Original Message----- / >From: David Mathog [mailto:mathog@caltech.edu] ( >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:38 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1 >Subject: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on  >  > 5 >Looks like Worldcom is next for the Curly treatment:  > + >  http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173  > B >At least with Worldcom, already in Chapter 11, there won't be anyE >need to disguise Curly's role as the Liquidator.  That is, unlike at H >Compaq, where they pretended he was actually trying to run the company. >In one sense or another.  > 	 >Regards,  > 
 >David Mathog  >mathog@caltech.edu ? >Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:54:36 +0000 2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>4 Subject: Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on4 Message-ID: <20021111165436.H15988@eisenschmidt.org>   YES!   ::looks in crystal ball::   ? I see a press conference next Monday, and promises of a 180 day  turnaround.   A Get out your checkbook kids, I also see UUnet going up for sale.    H Unless the Voices are Mistaken, David Mathog (mathog@caltech.edu) Wrote:6 > Looks like Worldcom is next for the Curly treatment: > , >   http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173 > C > At least with Worldcom, already in Chapter 11, there won't be any F > need to disguise Curly's role as the Liquidator.  That is, unlike atI > Compaq, where they pretended he was actually trying to run the company.  > In one sense or another. > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu@ > Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   --  / John W. Eisenschmidt (jweisen@eisenschmidt.org) .   http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/pgp.html  7 [The Onion -> Horoscopes] Aquarius: (Jan. 20--Feb. 18)  L      If a really good roast-beef melt isn't the best sandwich in the world, *      Aquarius would like to know what is.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:01:52 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>4 Subject: Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on@ Message-ID: <20021111170152.40537.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>  5 I dont know why he remembers me the Batmans Joker !     Regards    FC      , --- David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote:6 > Looks like Worldcom is next for the Curly treatment: > , >   http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173 > C > At least with Worldcom, already in Chapter 11, there won't be anyVF > need to disguise Curly's role as the Liquidator.  That is, unlike atI > Compaq, where they pretended he was actually trying to run the company.  > In one sense or another. > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu@ > Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech     =====e ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?- U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videosu http://launch.yahoo.com/u2   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:49:33 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>d4 Subject: Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves onH Message-ID: <xcRz9.39294$oRV.17692@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  E At least he has experience... in running companies into the ground...       4 "David Mathog" <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message2 news:20021111083811.08267a8c.mathog@caltech.edu...6 > Looks like Worldcom is next for the Curly treatment: >h, >   http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173 >pC > At least with Worldcom, already in Chapter 11, there won't be anySF > need to disguise Curly's role as the Liquidator.  That is, unlike atI > Compaq, where they pretended he was actually trying to run the company.i > In one sense or another. >S
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu@ > Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:08:52 GMTi1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) 4 Subject: Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on< Message-ID: <EuRz9.308740$8o3.9140095@twister.austin.rr.com>  ( David Mathog (mathog@caltech.edu) wrote:6 : Looks like Worldcom is next for the Curly treatment: : , :   http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173 : C : At least with Worldcom, already in Chapter 11, there won't be anynF : need to disguise Curly's role as the Liquidator.  That is, unlike atI : Compaq, where they pretended he was actually trying to run the company.e : In one sense or another. :   6 Capellas should be able to solve Worldcom's problems, 3 just like Dr Kevorkian relieved pain and suffering.     2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaily   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:37:08 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>4 Subject: Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on. Message-ID: <3DCFEAC4.20C44F27@mindspring.com>   Minor News Item:  + "Dozens of VMS users have suddenly switchedE. their long-distance phone services from MCI to. Sprint. No explanation could be found for this sudden departure."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:49:42 -0600e& From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net>4 Subject: Re: Curly, alias "the Liquidator", moves on9 Message-ID: <3dcffbc4$0$17651$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net>-    Goodbye Curly.  Goodbye Woldcom.    > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message6 news:EuRz9.308740$8o3.9140095@twister.austin.rr.com...* > David Mathog (mathog@caltech.edu) wrote:8 > : Looks like Worldcom is next for the Curly treatment: > :o. > :   http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173 > : E > : At least with Worldcom, already in Chapter 11, there won't be anyTH > : need to disguise Curly's role as the Liquidator.  That is, unlike atK > : Compaq, where they pretended he was actually trying to run the company.t > : In one sense or another. > :i >i7 > Capellas should be able to solve Worldcom's problems,d5 > just like Dr Kevorkian relieved pain and suffering.- >- >-4 > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own); >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaili   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:37:16 -0500o0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Detecting a serial device/ Message-ID: <3DCF4208.2BD39B67@vl.videotron.ca>t  K Lets say I have a serial "gizmo". (be it a PDA, blood sugar metre etc) thathK needs to be plugged into the vax to record imformation from it from time tor( time. I have no control over the device.  M Apart from leaving a process running 7/24 with a channel to that serial port,.J ready to "notice" the device, are there any other ways to deal with this ?> (these are actual TX ports on a Microvax, with modem control).  M Does Alf require one pressing <return> to activate the ALF process that wouldaL auto-login to a password-less account whose login.com starts the application  to record data from the device ?  K Or could I configure it to auto-start an application as soon as some of thec, modem signals on the RS232 line are raised ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:28:47 +0000r( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: Detecting a serial device) Message-ID: <3DCF865F.5785E8B9@127.0.0.1>o   JF Mezei wrote:  > M > Lets say I have a serial "gizmo". (be it a PDA, blood sugar metre etc) thattM > needs to be plugged into the vax to record imformation from it from time ton* > time. I have no control over the device. > O > Apart from leaving a process running 7/24 with a channel to that serial port,1L > ready to "notice" the device, are there any other ways to deal with this ?@ > (these are actual TX ports on a Microvax, with modem control). > O > Does Alf require one pressing <return> to activate the ALF process that wouldaN > auto-login to a password-less account whose login.com starts the application" > to record data from the device ? > M > Or could I configure it to auto-start an application as soon as some of thet. > modem signals on the RS232 line are raised ?  F Isn't this the essence of how windoze works, it have some some form ofA process monitoring signals which kicks in whatever application iseF required. It also does a scan for 'new hardware' on startup for serialE devices, and my phone manager has a taskbar icon which irritatingly IoD don't appear to be able to switch off without either identifying theE process and stopping it, or removing the startup call. I'm digressing  into pet hates again...s  E However in summary, what's wrong with having a process monitoring thed data lines?,  D You'd need to be careful that data is not 'discarded' if there is noF handshaking of the data from the device into the application, I'd tend> to opt for the always connected application approach. My view.   -- i? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesf nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:02:42 -0500d0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: DHCP GUI crashes , TCPIP 5.3 / Message-ID: <3DCF6412.C77D5509@vl.videotron.ca>t  M Just tried to use the TCPIP$DHCP_GUI to  update my old DHCP server database. nN I had set it up some time ago as a test bed to help debug a DHCP problem I hadL with my ISP, but now, I'd like to set it up to be able to support guests whoB would come with laptops etc (my own machines have fixed adresses).  T Anyhow, in many places, whenever I try to modify an ip address, the program crashes.  I For instance, entering an IP Range ( Server tab, IP_ranges), as soon as IoM start to type something in the "to" field the program crashes. (crash dump at  bottom of this message)o  $ This is on VAX VMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.3-18  C I had no such problem when I ran the 5.0 version of tcpip$dhcp_gui.u  N Also, is there a nice simple guide to all the parameters one can set ? Much of1 the information seems duplicated across the tabs.   H (Note that at the moment, the service is disabled, but the program seems. perfectly capable of reading the information).  P %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=01, virtual address=4FFE987F, PC =0007E20C, PSL=03C00000e/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followsoL module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC  M PARAM           Param::_listModifyCB            66758      00000028  0007E20CrM                                                            002875AC  002875ACdM                                                            003F2281  003F2281 M                                                            003F2B39  003F2B39IM                                                            003F4008  003F4008rM                                                            0028FA04  0028FA04 M                                                            0028FE61  0028FE61uM                                                            0029032B  0029032B M                                                            002894AF  002894AF2M                                                            00289BC8  00289BC8AM                                                            00289EFF  00289EFF M XJOIN           main                            60602      00000288  00067DDC9M                                                            000EA4A2  000EA4A2a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:35:43 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: DHCP GUI crashes , TCPIP 5.3e/ Message-ID: <3DCF6BCC.2481C90F@vl.videotron.ca>m    As an addition to my first post:  D The on-line help on the TCPIP$DHCP_GUI application now refers to the@ www.join.com web site, in the support section for detailed help.  J However, the www.join.com web sitre seems empty, not even a front page. IsA this just a temporary thing, or has the company done a DOT BOMB ?a  L If it no longer exists, could Digital/HP get access to those help documenmts and make them available ?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:49:38 -0500a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: DHCP GUI crashes , TCPIP 5.3a/ Message-ID: <3DCF8B23.EF05B1F4@vl.videotron.ca>    added information:  G it crashes whenever you try to update an item that is a list of values.a  J (seems to happen just as it tries to create the box(es) for the next item.    N I am able to run the 3.3 version whcih came with TCPIP 5.0 without problems to? set the list fields, and then run the 4.x version for the rest.   G However, DHCP server no longer works with my MAC. it used to work fine.MK Considering the poor quality control of the dhcp gui, makes me wonder aboutd	 the rest.A   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:44:53 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU4 Subject: Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 39958 Message-ID: <00A16C9B.A166BAA2@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  [ In article <3DCF23FE.4AA8D14A@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:s
 >ICUSC wrote:t >> i >> Limited time only,t >n >...and the time limit is ...?  ! (Probably until they're all sold)  >  >> one per customerg >rE >...and we can expect to be able to offer these in quantity ... when?0 >2  2 Fairly clearly, never, at least not at that price.   >> at special pricing  >W >...and that price is ... ?0   Mentioned in the subject line.   >n >> DS10 600Mhz EV671 >> 512MB >> CDROM and Floppy  >> 9GB U2 SCSI Disk  >> Ultra2 SCSI Controllery >> Dual 10/100 Ethernetv >> VX1 Oxygen 32MB Video PCI >> Keyboard & 3 Button  Mouseh >> VMS Base licenseg >iG >No offense, but let's leave the hucksterism to the hucksters and stick  >to business, shall we?n  M I don't how much of Island's business is selling to resellers and how much to O end-users; I've only bought stuff from them as an end-user.  But for end-users,m+ they're sticking pretty well to business.  r   -- Alano   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:29:02 -0600e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 4 Subject: Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995' Message-ID: <3DCF23FE.4AA8D14A@fsi.net>s   ICUSC wrote: >  > Limited time only,   ...and the time limit is ...?a   > one per customer  D ...and we can expect to be able to offer these in quantity ... when?   > at special pricing   ...and that price is ... ?   > DS10 600Mhz EV67 > 512MB, > CDROM and Floppy > 9GB U2 SCSI Disk > Ultra2 SCSI Controller > Dual 10/100 Ethernet > VX1 Oxygen 32MB Video PCIo > Keyboard & 3 Button  Mouse > VMS Base license  F No offense, but let's leave the hucksterism to the hucksters and stick to business, shall we?   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho//   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:52:19 +0100 (MET)s& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>* Subject: Re: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION:6 Message-ID: <200211110752.IAA28166@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  @ I do not know where the poeple get there information. We do have= two ES40s, all running under OpenVMS 7.1-2 AXP. Yes there are @ some patches, that it work correct. But the same also with GS80.   Best regards Rudolf WingertM   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:46:52 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>c* Subject: RE: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION:T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D98A2@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Rudolf,e  G As a fyi, from a previous reply, here is the supported VMS versions forn each Alpha Server offering:o  : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/supportchart.html=20   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660. Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)        -----Original Message-----0 From: Rudolf Wingert [mailto:win@fom.fgan.de]=20 Sent: November 11, 2002 2:52 AM0 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>* Subject: Re: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION:     Hello,  D I do not know where the poeple get there information. We do have twoG ES40s, all running under OpenVMS 7.1-2 AXP. Yes there are some patches,e2 that it work correct. But the same also with GS80.   Best regards Rudolf WingertA   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 07:09:01 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n8 Subject: Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!!3 Message-ID: <io+sI8$H1aVy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3DCC8889.DBD89480@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Bob Koehler wrote:	 >> [snip] Q >> > l) Does OpenVMS will have a lexical like F$GETUAF to get users informations?r >> m' >>    Major security hole?  I hope not!e > D > Assuming it uses $GETUAI and is subject to the same contraints re:J > privilege, how does that constitute a security hole? Remember: passwords/ > are stored hashed, and cannot be unscrambled.l  C    If done correctly it can be done with no security hole.  $GETUAI-'    however, has an unfortunate history.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:45:02 GMTr1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>bD Subject: Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month6 Message-ID: <2LMz9.1361$S5.84745@nasal.pacific.net.au>  , Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote:m > In article <3DC67A20.C0B327E7@eps.zko.dec.com>, Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> writes:  >> $ typ tmp.com- >> $First=f$cvtime("1-"+p1,"absolute","date")pF >> $Days=f$loc(f$extr(0,2,f$cvt(First,,"WEEKDAY")),"SaFrThWeTuMoSu")/2B >> $First_Saturday=f$cvtime(First + "+''Days'-","absolute","date")F >> $Third_Saturday=f$cvtime(First_Saturday + "+14-","absolute","date"); >> $write sys$output "''first', ''Days', ''First_saturday',I >> ''Third_Saturday'"t >> w >> l	 >> $ @tmpf) >> 1-NOV-2002, 1, 2-NOV-2002, 16-NOV-2002r
 >> $ @tmp jan ) >> 1-JAN-2002, 4, 5-JAN-2002, 19-JAN-2002I >> $ @tmp jan-2003) >> 1-JAN-2003, 3, 4-JAN-2003, 18-JAN-2003i >> .    ,  $ First=f$cvtime("1-"+p1,"absolute","date")J  $ Days=f$loc(f$extr(0,2,f$cvt(First,,"WEEKDAY")),"SaFrThWeTuMoSu")/2 + 14A  $ Third_Saturday=f$cvtime(First + "+''Days'-","absolute","date")n'  $ write sys$output "''Third_Saturday'"d  = 	By adding the number 14 to line two, we could do away with ae< 	line of DCL. And of course we could get the second Saturday< 	by adding 7 instead of 14, or the fourth Sat. by adding 21.   						Cheers,  Csaba   I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------eE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog<E    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.9I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------e;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:42:38 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>MD Subject: Re: Figuring out the Date of the 3rd Saturday of each Month5 Message-ID: <aqofld$bn148$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>e  ; "CSABA HARANGOZO" <csabah@zipworld.com.au> wrote in messager0 news:2LMz9.1361$S5.84745@nasal.pacific.net.au... >.... >  $ First=f$cvtime("1-"+p1,"absolute","date")L >  $ Days=f$loc(f$extr(0,2,f$cvt(First,,"WEEKDAY")),"SaFrThWeTuMoSu")/2 + 14C >  $ Third_Saturday=f$cvtime(First + "+''Days'-","absolute","date")f) >  $ write sys$output "''Third_Saturday'"i > > > By adding the number 14 to line two, we could do away with a= > line of DCL. And of course we could get the second Saturdayf= > by adding 7 instead of 14, or the fourth Sat. by adding 21.l >...  G Well, if you really want to cut down the number of lines, (but keep theq! lines less than 80 columns wide);zK $ Days=f$loc(f$extr(0,2,f$cvt("15-''p1'",,"WEEKDAY")),"SaFrThWeTuMoSu")/2 +e 157 $ write sys$output f$cvtime("''days'-''p1'","ABSOLUTE")-   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.@   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:57:01 +0000k( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: Graphics files and wallpaperv) Message-ID: <3DCF7EED.DF067BA8@127.0.0.1>c   Greg Landry wrote:  N > I would like to learn about appropriate graphics file formats on VMS systems, > and how to set the wallpaper on my system.J > Is it possible to FTP GIF, BMP or JPG files from the PC platform and useM > these?  Where on the system would one go to choose which image file is usedsK > as the wallpaper?  I apologize for my ignorance, but the VMS OS is prettyl > new to me.M > If there is a FAQ for info like this, I would be grateful if someone in the  > group would point me to it.   F If you get yourself a copy of XV, you'll find it can do a root display0 which remains as the 'wallpaper' on your system.  F Just be aware that you could limit the number of displayed colours forG current applications, some applications remap the colours for their ownfC purposes, and XV is also capable of this, leading to some undesiredl display effects.  / In your login, you can use a command similar tob  " $ MCR XV -root -quit wallpaper.gif  G You're not limited to GIF, the above command will tile your background,sF invoke XV using the -h option to view the command line qualifiers, you! may want to use -max or -maxpect.e  F I'm using a precompiled version of XV 3.10A which fixes a few bugs and9 gives a little more functionality that the standard 3.10..  ' http://www.trilon.com/xv/downloads.html>   and other places.   F Commercial use requires registration, http://www.trilon.com/xv/ is the homepage with details.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences. nclews at csc dot comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:11:25 +0000i> From: Torsten Mattfeldt <torsten.mattfeldt@medizin.uni-ulm.de>6 Subject: Re: Hobbyist License programs under Emulators2 Message-ID: <3DCF743D.FCF3BBE6@medizin.uni-ulm.de>   "Stanley F. Quayle" schrieb: > 2 > On 8 Nov 2002 at 12:24, Torsten Mattfeldt wrote:8 > > These provide many vms-commands and other functions.: > > But it is possible to run programs written for vax/vms) > > under such emulators, e.g. compilers?  > >f' > > Specifically: is it possible to rune* > > the programs of the 'hobbyist license'& > > under dcll and charon-vax on a PC? > F > CHARON-VAX isn't a VMS emulator.  It's a VAX emulator, which can runC > VMS (or VAXELN or ...).  So, VMS commands and programming is 100%m& > supported, just like the real thing. > F > DCL-lite just emulates DCL, and poorly at that.  And doesn't run any > VMS software.e  
 Dear Stanley,f  
 Thank you!   Indeed that's why I supposed.o  7 But now the practical question follows: I have already S8 obtained a licence number from decus and could download 6 the hobbyist package from montagar. I understand that 2 it runs normally on a real Vax (which are no more  available here). t  7 But I want to run it under Charon-Vax. My demo-licence  6 is valid still since the end of  the year. Thereafter 6 I must decide to abandon it or acquire a real license.3 This depends also on what I can do with the system.t3 The hobbyist licence contains an interesting set oft4 programs. So, how can I install the programs of the " hobbyist-licence under Charon-Vax?  9 I understand from the manual of Charon-Vax that new files 1 have to be transported into  Charon-Vax in zipped - state und they have to be unzipped inside? Toe/ this aim it is necessary to get a Vax-compatibec6 unzipper into Charon-Vax by the included file transfer0 utility. I have not yet succeeded in getting it,+ however the vax-ftp utility works properly.r  4 Sorry but this domain is rather new for me, normally, I us linux for my work but Charon vax is an . interesting piece of software by which I could4 finally reanimate old programs of vax/vms computers.   Best wishesb Torsten MattfeldtE         > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671r3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comi   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 07:05:27 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r6 Subject: Re: Hobbyist License programs under Emulators3 Message-ID: <DEGmOP1BIDnO@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  s In article <3DCBACE2.18EB95C3@medizin.uni-ulm.de>, Torsten Mattfeldt <torsten.mattfeldt@medizin.uni-ulm.de> writes:s > % > Specifically: is it possible to runC( > the programs of the 'hobbyist license'$ > under dcll and charon-vax on a PC?  E    When you apply for a hobbyist license for VMS and layered products G    you can enter charon-vax for "serial number".  Every thing runs just I    fine as long as both the hobbyist software and the Charon-VAX emulatorO    licences are up to date.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:53:50 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyd Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site1. Message-ID: <3DCF7E2E.3010506@nospamn.sun.com>   David Webb wrote:ce > In article <bGX$XkF9EvN6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:o > Y >>In article <01C28635.F1540800@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:s >>J >>>There are already products that do this, ConnX (sp?) comes to mind. TheG >>>availability of these may well be why the VMS guys haven't spent thed >>>time doing one themselves.D >>B >>It is to the disadvantage of VMS if VMS Development were to takeA >>on the task of driving all the third party software vendors outl >>of the VMS business. >  > M > True enough. But there is a difference between genuine application softwaree  > and "infrastructure" software.M > Database vendors tend to bundle their own JDBC connectors they don't force r( > you to search for a thirdparty vendor.N > Compaq/HP is RMS's vendor hence they should be providing this functionality. >   8 Just as tellingly commercial suppliers of CISAM which is7 closer to RMS functionality than a full blown DBMS alsoM8 seem to think that it is their responsibility to provide0 JDBC/ODBC connectors for their products as well.     Regardsf Andrew Harrisonu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:48:57 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancya Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Siten. Message-ID: <3DCF7D09.2090901@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:Z > In article <3DCA90ED.4030907@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >  > 3 >>In that case the commercial providers of JDBC fort- >>RMS have engineered their product to meet ae! >>requirement that doesn't exist.  >>+ >>Oh dear, either they are wrong or you are  >  > C >    No, they've done more than write a JDBC access to RMS, they'veeI >    written a complete JDBC.  You complained about a lack of Java accessa" >    to RMS, not a lack of a JDBC. >   . No another CF on your part, I complained about the lack of a JDBC for RMS.s  , I specifically cited the provision of a JDBC* for CISAM (analagous to RMS) as an example of what HPQ should have done.     H >    The former is nonsense since Java does use RMS for I/O on VMS, and 0 >    the latter isn't what you complained about. >   1 Since you have incorrectly read my posts you will . now realise that this statement interesting as it my be is irrelevant.t   Regardsw Andrew Harrisonn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:56:10 +0000i' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyh Subject: Re: HP Advocacy SiteS, Message-ID: <3DCF7EBA.80204@nospamn.sun.com>   Tom M wrote:L > And these products probably fulfill the needs of this market.  The primaryM > reason one would want to access indexed files from Java would be to add newlH > functionality (such as a graphic front-end) to an existing application+ > system that uses RMS for it's data store.- >   C Server side Java is probably more widely used than client side JavaMB so Java could equally be being used to integrate RMS into a server2 side application without a hint of a GUI in sight.   Regardsc   Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:35:33 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyn Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site . Message-ID: <3DCF9605.7080305@nospamn.sun.com>   John McLean wrote: > * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >  > .... > I >>>   Unfortunately we're used to it.  There's no simple interface to RMSaJ >>>   features from C like there is from Fortran.  Now that's an extensionJ >>>   to Fortran, but one that at least Solaris and HP-UX support in their
 >>>   f77. >>> K >>>   We're lucky enough that you can access these features from any native J >>>   language, but Java doesn't currently compile to native instructions. >>>oE >>>   On the other hand C programmers haven't missed what they're noteF >>>   accustomed to.  No reason Java programmers should really miss it
 >>>   either.y >>>a >>Z >>Well except John McLean who does miss it but who incorrectly attributes its absence to aL >>failing in Java and not one that should be leveled squarely at HPQ's door. >> >  > G > Not at all.  It is a weakness of java that one is limited to one file,D > structure and that there is only one kind of calling standard (ie.A > stack-based) to external code.  Sun - back in better days - wascJ > controlling java and it was Sun who could have created better interfacesF > so that additional features could be plugged in at will and at a low
 > level.   >   ? Java has what is the lowest common denominator for file supporto: that is entirely consistent with its cross platform goals.  = Additional support is or should be made available via JDBC or 2 if you have to for a specific application via JNI.  : In this Java is no different from ANSI C etc which have no9 explicit support for index sequential file access methodsh8 within the language standards. Of course most people who8 supply some form of index sequential file storage system6 like for example CISAM also provide libraries to allow5 this file access method to be used by a common set ofm languages such as C, C++, Java.1  7 I say most because HPQ don't for RMS and you beef isn'tt5 with Java but with its incomplete support on OpenVMS,h! the blame for that lies with HPQ.e  : > I'll give you an analogy and change very few letters :-) > G > If all that someone has ever driven is a 1975 Lada then they probablyeJ > haven't missed what they're not accustomed to.   If someone has driven aF > BMW (I said I'd change only a few letters !) then they don't want toJ > downgrade to a Lada.  Ladas have improved in the last 10 or 15 years butF > they are still well behind the BMW.  Sun (and others) have been busy5 > forcing the equivalent of a Lada onto the IT world.a >   ; Its the wrong analogy, a BMW and a Lada do exactly the same 6 thing, they both transport ~4 people plus luggage from2 A-B. A BMW is faster and more comfortable but they# both effectively do the same thing..    9 Most people who use Java don't think of it in Lada terms, 8 however if you are stuck with running Java on a platform4 where the platform vendor has to use you car analogy4 neglected to include all four wheels, relying on 3rd5 parties to provide the 4th and the spare then clearly  you might think that.c  6 Sadly your beef is still with the manufacturer of your4 OS platform HPQ and not with Java, after all you can2 get JDBC connectors for RMS but just not from HPQ.  2 The same story used to apply to TCP/IP support for OpenVMS.   Regards2 Andrew HarrisonT   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 07:29:53 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)O Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Sitem3 Message-ID: <2QFmukf231oe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3DCF7D09.2090901@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > 0 > No another CF on your part, I complained about > the lack of a JDBC for RMS.h  B    Which is like asking for RMS support for your chocolate teapot.@    JDBC requires more than what RMS offers or intended to offer.  E    And why keep harping on RMS?  Why not AWT or Swing support for SMGy$    or support for LIB, DLM, LRB, ...  E    Oh, maybe because the JDK already has AWT and Swing support or theaD    typical Java programmer wants to write code that will also run on    eunichs and Windoze?o   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 07:32:00 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Sitek3 Message-ID: <Ia9p1J0xb2LE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3DCF9605.7080305@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:  < > In this Java is no different from ANSI C etc which have no; > explicit support for index sequential file access methods1: > within the language standards. Of course most people who: > supply some form of index sequential file storage system8 > like for example CISAM also provide libraries to allow7 > this file access method to be used by a common set of5! > languages such as C, C++, Java.!  @    Well if C-ISAM is so important, why don't Sun's Java standard    classes support it?   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:22:39 +0000 (UTC)r+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)a Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site + Message-ID: <aqohvv$4ab$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <2QFmukf231oe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:dY >In article <3DCF7D09.2090901@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:h >> ,1 >> No another CF on your part, I complained aboutc >> the lack of a JDBC for RMS. > C >   Which is like asking for RMS support for your chocolate teapot.hA >   JDBC requires more than what RMS offers or intended to offer.s >,  K It isn't often I agree with Andrew but if third-party Unix  C-ISAM productswG can supply JDBC connectors then there definitely should be an RMS JDBC  
 connector.  F >   And why keep harping on RMS?  Why not AWT or Swing support for SMG% >   or support for LIB, DLM, LRB, ...t   Why not indeed ?J Java already provides a means for native C programs to interact with Java.    F I note that Compaq/HP have a beta JAVA machinecode compiler for Tru64   L http://www.compaq.com/java/documentation/1.3.1/swift_unix/release_notes.html   This states that o  N "Swift compiles class files or .jar files or methods containing java bytecodesK to highly optimized Alpha machine instructions that can be used by the fast  VM."  J Hopefully this will soon be ported to VMS which might overcome some of the! perceived speed problems of Java.,    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >tF >   Oh, maybe because the JDK already has AWT and Swing support or theE >   typical Java programmer wants to write code that will also run ona >   eunichs and Windoze? >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:07:26 +0000=' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyo Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Sitem. Message-ID: <3DCFC7AE.7090703@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:Z > In article <3DCF9605.7080305@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >  > < >>In this Java is no different from ANSI C etc which have no; >>explicit support for index sequential file access methods2: >>within the language standards. Of course most people who: >>supply some form of index sequential file storage system8 >>like for example CISAM also provide libraries to allow7 >>this file access method to be used by a common set ofi! >>languages such as C, C++, Java.t >  > B >    Well if C-ISAM is so important, why don't Sun's Java standard >    classes support it? >   6 I think you are looking in the wrong direction. C-ISAM5 isn't important to Java anymore than RMS is importantt; to Java. Java is however important to C-ISAM and apparentlyd it is also important to RMS.  : No one in their right mind thinks that Java should support: explicitly all the available file access methods available8 on the market, be they RMS, C-ISAM, CAFS etc. If Java is8 important to the suppliers of these technologies then it7 is accepted by almost all of them (except the suppliers-2 of RMS) that they should provide the Java support.  6 It is HPQ's responsibility to provide Java support for6 RMS or to assist 3rd parties in providing it. It isn't4 remotely the general Java communities responsibility to support RMS.e  4 Bang on the right persons door and not the wrong one/ it will get you better results in the long run.t   Regards1 Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:13:43 +0000i' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyi Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Siteh. Message-ID: <3DCFC927.4020800@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:Z > In article <3DCF7D09.2090901@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > 0 >>No another CF on your part, I complained about >>the lack of a JDBC for RMS.y >  > D >    Which is like asking for RMS support for your chocolate teapot.B >    JDBC requires more than what RMS offers or intended to offer. >   7 The simple proof that you point isn't valid is that you:, can get JDBC connectors for RMS from CONNX ?  , http://www.connx.com/products/connx-rms.html  * Sort of destroys your argument doesn't it.  G >    And why keep harping on RMS?  Why not AWT or Swing support for SMGo& >    or support for LIB, DLM, LRB, ... >   7 Because John Mclean in this thread complained that Java,7 doesn't support RMS properly and thus RMS was the topick under discussion.:  D I am tempted to be very rude here but it would really be much better5 if you tried reading the other articles in the threadd3 instread of trying to reply out of context to mine.O     Regardst Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:07:09 +0000c2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site 4 Message-ID: <20021111160709.C15988@eisenschmidt.org>  p Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy (Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com) Wrote: >  > Bob Koehler wrote:\ > > In article <3DCF9605.7080305@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > > > > >>In this Java is no different from ANSI C etc which have no= > >>explicit support for index sequential file access methodse< > >>within the language standards. Of course most people who< > >>supply some form of index sequential file storage system: > >>like for example CISAM also provide libraries to allow9 > >>this file access method to be used by a common set ofv# > >>languages such as C, C++, Java.r > >  > > D > >    Well if C-ISAM is so important, why don't Sun's Java standard > >    classes support it? > >  > 8 > I think you are looking in the wrong direction. C-ISAM7 > isn't important to Java anymore than RMS is important = > to Java. Java is however important to C-ISAM and apparentlyg > it is also important to RMS. > < > No one in their right mind thinks that Java should support< > explicitly all the available file access methods available: > on the market, be they RMS, C-ISAM, CAFS etc. If Java is: > important to the suppliers of these technologies then it9 > is accepted by almost all of them (except the suppliersi4 > of RMS) that they should provide the Java support.  D Here here! It should not be all things to all people, and one shouldD not expect them to handle the exception and not the rule. He hit theC nail on the head -- VMS needs Java more than Java needs VMS, thoughhF few can argue that another working language on VMS isn't a good thing.  	 ::ducks::9  8 > It is HPQ's responsibility to provide Java support for8 > RMS or to assist 3rd parties in providing it. It isn't6 > remotely the general Java communities responsibility > to support RMS.t  E This is absolutely correct. Look at all the vendors who were involvedaE in the early days of ODBC, lest they be left out in the cold. Sun has"F provided the framework, some of the more popular options are supportedD there, but people have to pitch in and help if they want support for; their products. Why should developers at Sun go and learn asF competitors Operating System just to make their tools more accessible?  F The option of course is to go it alone and wait the grueling amount ofA time it takes Johnny Java to go off and do it himself. It took an D agonizing amount of time for 3rd parties to develop some of the PerlD DBI stuff because they were neither experts in Perl nor the database" they were writing the driver for.   D HP has a wonderful team of Java developers working for OpenVMS, theyF have a wonderful team of developers that know RMS, all they need to doE is break out the satin sheets and hop into bed with Sun on this one. t  6 > Bang on the right persons door and not the wrong one1 > it will get you better results in the long run.   = You mean bitching into the ether doesn't get you results?? =)n  F Why aren't you big HP customers calling your sales droid and demandingF Java support for OpenVMS? I would, but I can't even get my Field Droid' to fix my DS-10 in less than 30 visits.    > 	 > Regardst > Andrew Harrisone   -- -/ John W. Eisenschmidt (jweisen@eisenschmidt.org) .   http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/pgp.html  6 [The Onion -> Horoscopes] Aquarius: (Jan. 20--Feb. 18)2      Put it back. Don't look at Aquarius like you ;      don't know what it's talking about. Put it back. Now! D   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:38:04 GMTP# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t Subject: Re: HP Advocacy SitetH Message-ID: <0WRz9.39557$oRV.31346@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "John Eisenschmidt" <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote in message . news:20021111160709.C15988@eisenschmidt.org... >dH > Why aren't you big HP customers calling your sales droid and demandingH > Java support for OpenVMS? I would, but I can't even get my Field Droid) > to fix my DS-10 in less than 30 visits.o  H Obviously your Field Droid is missing some parts. Feed him some of this:7 http://www.associatedbrands.ca/brands/prod700.php3?pv=1    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:32:43 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: HP keyboard problemso. Message-ID: <3DCFE9BB.CBAC4971@mindspring.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:v  4 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >f@ > > So I put in a good old VT220 terminal, only to find out thatE > > triggering a letter no longer worked because the LK201 keyboard's D > > logic was too slow. I think it was a serial protocol between theA > > keyboard and terminal, whereas on the XL84, it was a parralel  > > interface. >tE > The VT220/LK201 uses RS-232 at AIRC, 4800 baud. The Pro Tech manual @ > and possinly the 'bow manual had all the nitty gritty details.  / It may not just be a "slow keyboard"; somewhere . in the "VT220 system", there's also logic that# deliberately limits the input rate.2  + When VT100s first came out, they introduced & ANSI Escape Sequences for the keyboard+ function keys. (Prior to that, the VT05 had ' single ASCII bytes and the VT52 used [I  think] two-byte codes.)   , This caused a *LOT* of grief because a VT100) connected to an unbuffered console Serial , Line Unit and running at, say, 9600 baud was- more than able to reliably overrun the double $ buffer of your typical console UART.  ( So the VT220 deliberately "rate-limited"' transmission to (IIRC) 60 bytes/second. ( Yeah, the Keypad keys could take upwards+ of 65 ms to transmit, but at least they got - to the software intact. (I think this feature0& actually "cut-in" in the VT101/VT102.)  % OTOH, I don't know how fast the LK201A+ keyboard scanner is, but I'm almost certaine+ it's fasterthan the VT100. I could reliablyM* press a VT100 key and *HEAR* it hit bottom+ without the key-press being registered. Theg+ LK201 didn't exhibit this effect. I *NEVER* ( routinely used a VT100 precisely because of its dead-slow keyboard.  ) By the way, if you have the user docs forc' the good-old VCB01, I'm pretty sure thee( LK201 technical information is in there,( including everything you need about scan* codes, autorepeat zones, and all the other) LK201 arcana. (I suppose the VMS listingsl) would also answer those questions, albeito more obscurely.)   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:13:29 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)p0 Subject: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?< Message-ID: <ZyRz9.308742$8o3.9140095@twister.austin.rr.com>2 Keywords: is,hp,moving,tandem,maintenance,offshore  9      http://trav-tech.com/cgi/testwww/config.pl?read=7297t*      HP moving Tandem maintenance offshore    o/                 ``Tandem Jobs and Resumes Boardr     7                   HP moving Tandem maintenance offshoret%                                      o:                   Posted By: Anonymous <noone@nowhere.org>?                   Date: Tuesday, 29 October 2002, at 1:29 p.m. l       A      A friend and former co-worker, whom I trust and who is still-F      working at Tandem in Cupertino, told me that HP has just informedH      its Tandem employees that it will be moving most Tandem maintenanceF      programming to India, and eliminating 170 positions in Cupertino.F      (Just what we need, 170 *more* Tandem programmers on the market.)       E      My source also reports that when asked what the Tandem customerstD      thought of this, a senior executive (who shall rename nameless)
      replied:       e/      "We aren't going to tell the customers".''h    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:36:35 -0800 (PST)>. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?@ Message-ID: <20021111173635.45801.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>  # Why this obsession with India ?????l/ We have good developers in Latin America too !  B How Bush can improve the Free Trade Area if USA companies dont see their own neighborhood ....      Regards-   FC I6 --- Jerry Leslie <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote:; >      http://trav-tech.com/cgi/testwww/config.pl?read=7297 , >      HP moving Tandem maintenance offshore >    u1 >                 ``Tandem Jobs and Resumes Boardh >     9 >                   HP moving Tandem maintenance offshorei' >                                      A< >                   Posted By: Anonymous <noone@nowhere.org>A >                   Date: Tuesday, 29 October 2002, at 1:29 p.m. a >      tC >      A friend and former co-worker, whom I trust and who is stillgH >      working at Tandem in Cupertino, told me that HP has just informedJ >      its Tandem employees that it will be moving most Tandem maintenanceH >      programming to India, and eliminating 170 positions in Cupertino.H >      (Just what we need, 170 *more* Tandem programmers on the market.) >       G >      My source also reports that when asked what the Tandem customerspF >      thought of this, a senior executive (who shall rename nameless) >      replied:/ >       1 >      "We aren't going to tell the customers".''  >  > 4 > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own); >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email      =====5 ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?- U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos- http://launch.yahoo.com/u2   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:41:36 -0800@' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>M4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?8 Message-ID: <20021111094136.5983263f.mathog@caltech.edu>    On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:13:29 GMT2 LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) wrote:  , >      HP moving Tandem maintenance offshore >    /  B That's nothing - just wait until they move Tandem service offshore? as well.  Under the new HP's "depot" style service organizationoB customers will FEDEX their broken Tandem machine to Bangalore and C have it back good as new with a guaranteed turn around time of onlya6 3 weeks.  Customer pays shipping both ways, of course.  " Hey, it works for Dell doesn't it?   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:28:49 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?H Message-ID: <lNRz9.39504$oRV.17763@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 I'm sending this to my contacts at several large banks.s      > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message6 news:ZyRz9.308742$8o3.9140095@twister.austin.rr.com...; >      http://trav-tech.com/cgi/testwww/config.pl?read=7297J, >      HP moving Tandem maintenance offshore >o1 >                 ``Tandem Jobs and Resumes Boardw > 9 >                   HP moving Tandem maintenance offshore> > < >                   Posted By: Anonymous <noone@nowhere.org>@ >                   Date: Tuesday, 29 October 2002, at 1:29 p.m. >wC >      A friend and former co-worker, whom I trust and who is stillrH >      working at Tandem in Cupertino, told me that HP has just informedJ >      its Tandem employees that it will be moving most Tandem maintenanceH >      programming to India, and eliminating 170 positions in Cupertino.H >      (Just what we need, 170 *more* Tandem programmers on the market.) > G >      My source also reports that when asked what the Tandem customers5F >      thought of this, a senior executive (who shall rename nameless) >      replied:e >D1 >      "We aren't going to tell the customers".''e >h >_4 > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own); >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailc   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:49:48 GMTd# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>l4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?H Message-ID: <05Sz9.39632$oRV.19574@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messagem: news:20021111173635.45801.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com...% > Why this obsession with India ?????N0 > We have good developers in Latin America too !D > How Bush can improve the Free Trade Area if USA companies dont see > their own neighborhood ....2  ) 1) India has some excellent universities.   L 2) The language of instruction and of senior managers is the Queen's English	 (mostly).u  G 3) Bush doesn't care. If individual corporations make that decision and C American workers lose their jobs as a result, that's fine with him.u  I It's a paradox - there are many cases where US policy make zero sense. OnhH the one hand Bush says it's ok to export high-tech jobs to India, on theJ other hand it's ok to play unjustifiable protectionism for lower wage jobsK (Canada - USA  softwood lumber dispute). The Canadian lumber has been ruledrJ innumerable times to not being 'dumped' in the US by various internationalL trade bodies that have examined the issue, and notwithstanding provisions in1 NAFTA the US has imposed punishing import duties.2  C The Alliance of American Consumers for Affordable Homes (ACAH), hascI estimated that the duties will raise the average cost of a home by $1,000 E (U.S.) and make an estimated 300,000 families ineligible for mortgage@G financing each year. How is this good for the United States? Answer: Itc@ isn't. But it is good for a few small sawmills and their owners.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:54:50 -06004& From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net>4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?9 Message-ID: <3dcffcf9$0$17645$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net>   ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messageo: news:20021111173635.45801.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com...% > Why this obsession with India ?????   ,             cheap and plentiful labor market  0 > We have good developers in Latin America too !  :             if cheaper than India, then goto Latin America  D > How Bush can improve the Free Trade Area if USA companies dont see > their own neighborhood ....e  G             good question.  there are some problems with globalization.n  	 > Regardsn >h > FC8 > --- Jerry Leslie <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote:= > >      http://trav-tech.com/cgi/testwww/config.pl?read=72970. > >      HP moving Tandem maintenance offshore > >.3 > >                 ``Tandem Jobs and Resumes Boardg > > ; > >                   HP moving Tandem maintenance offshoreo > >i> > >                   Posted By: Anonymous <noone@nowhere.org>B > >                   Date: Tuesday, 29 October 2002, at 1:29 p.m. > > E > >      A friend and former co-worker, whom I trust and who is stilltJ > >      working at Tandem in Cupertino, told me that HP has just informedL > >      its Tandem employees that it will be moving most Tandem maintenanceJ > >      programming to India, and eliminating 170 positions in Cupertino.J > >      (Just what we need, 170 *more* Tandem programmers on the market.) > > I > >      My source also reports that when asked what the Tandem customers H > >      thought of this, a senior executive (who shall rename nameless) > >      replied:s > >e3 > >      "We aren't going to tell the customers".''s > >n > >i6 > > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)= > >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailb >  >C > =====t > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Braziln > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?/ > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videosm > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Nov 02 19:50:02 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)t7 Subject: Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/Pluse) Message-ID: <EdCbs1M9dpu7@elias.decus.ch>r  H This weekend our network people did some "network testing", during whichB we switched our workstations and printers off (we left our cluster servers running).t  J By this morning, the server operator logs had grown to over 200,000 blocksB each, due to MOP load failures (unrecognized client), ticking awayJ since early Saturday evening. I can only assume that something was changed as a result of the tests.d  D So, does anyone know of a way using DECnet/Plus to get any more info' on the source of the MOP load requests?u  C The servers are running Alpha V7.3-1 and the version of DECnet/Plust which comes with that.   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:15:05 -0600t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o@ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek' Message-ID: <3DCF20B9.954F6EFA@fsi.net>j   JF Mezei wrote:n >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:nD > > I was promised $1000 intanium vms boxes by Capellas and I expectD > > to see them ... this was one of the reasons he gave for dropping > > alpha for itanium ...l > + > Capellas also promised not to kill Alpha.  > O > Nothing Capellas says can be trusted, unless it is written by lawyers, signedh* > by his boss, witnessed by enough people.  F ...and then only if you live among fairies, elves dwarves and wizards.   -- d David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:27:44 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>@ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek, Message-ID: <3DCF23B0.7080905@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:p   > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > B >>I was promised $1000 intanium vms boxes by Capellas and I expectB >>to see them ... this was one of the reasons he gave for dropping >>alpha for itanium ...e >> > + > Capellas also promised not to kill Alpha.r > O > Nothing Capellas says can be trusted, unless it is written by lawyers, signedo* > by his boss, witnessed by enough people. > % I doubt that that will be sufficient!m     Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:19:54 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy @ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek. Message-ID: <3DCF925A.4020300@nospamn.sun.com>   Rick Jones wrote: R > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: > F >>I am still not sure what the point is anyway. Most people who have aB >>SSL requirement put a Crypto accelerator into their web servers. >  > G >>They may need to regardless of the levels of SSL traffic through the tJ >>site because they may also need HSM's many of which double up as Crypto  >>accelerators.- >  > B >>Sun's crypto does 4300 SSL operations per second and costs 2,700D >>dollars a much better deal if you have a very heavy SSL requirment+ >>than filling your system with more CPU's.S >  > G > That would be the card mentioned in the Sun press release of Februaryh > 19th right?  > H > http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2002-02/sunflash.20020219.6.html >  > <excerpt>t= >   SANTA CLARA, CA -- February 19, 2002 -- Sun Microsystems, E >   Inc. (Nasdaq: SUNW)today announces its Sun[tm] Crypto Accelerator:E >   1000 Board (SCA1000) delivering over 4300 new Secure Socket Layer F >   (SSL) sessions per second when used with the Sun Fire[tm] 6800 andF >   the iPlanet [tm] Web Server, a record performance level surpassingC >   any other single secure web server solution reported to date. ArG >   dedicated accelerator board designed to offload session creation of H >   an SSL transaction from the system's processor, the SCA1000 provides& >   fast,reliable, secure connections. > </excerpt> > F > I thought that the press release had stated the number of processors> > used in the 6800, but it isn't there, but the following URL: > n > http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hw/networking/connectivity/sslaccel/suncryptoaccel1000/features.html > F > which I found by doing a search for Crypto 1000 on www.sun.com says: >  > <excerpt>f >  SCALABILITY > 9 >  Feature: Support for multiple boards within a domain. e > D >  Function: The Sun Crypto Accelerator 1000 board is able to handleF >  over 4300 operations per second with 16 CPUs, and it is scalable to2 >  four boards on applicable Sun Fire[tm] servers. >  > </excerpt> > H > Of course, it does not say what manner or cost of 16 CPUs are requiredF > to get those 4300 operations per second with the card - if they wereB > the 750 MHz, 900s, or 1.015s. Nor the "flavor" of SSL operations > measured.d >   < You don't need a 16 way Sun to drive the Crypto or 4 cryptos for that matter.  ; You might need a 16 server to drive all of your web trafficS; though my preference would be smaller V series servers likea the 120, 280 or 480.  7 The reasons why you may need more general purpose CPU'sr are or should be obvious:   # Firstly most sites are not entirely 2 SSL in fact the majority of pages arn't encrypted.  2 Secondly CGI, Perl or JSP/ASP processing is also a/ fairly big resource hit on many sites hence thea need for general purpose CPU's.f   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 07:10:28 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)I@ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek3 Message-ID: <MuE+Yz$ATEja@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  b In article <3DCD48AA.B2D550CC@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:K >> hurt on HP in those market segments.  I'd doubt that HP would be willing D >> to sell Hammer based systems; it would undermine the IA-64 sales. > M > When Windows NT was available on PowerPC and MIPS, did HP make PPC and MIPScO > based systems running Windows ? Or was that in a time where HP was the "real"rO > HP , before Carly got in and strived to downgrade HP into just another Dell ?y  E    At about that time HP briught out a bi-endian version of HO-PARC. dG    Many read an intent to ship WNT on HP-PARC between the lines of thati6    announcement but no such product ever materialized.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 08:07:49 -0800% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> + Subject: It's official. Curly waves goodbyei) Message-ID: <aqokkl02kk8@drn.newsguy.com>a  9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2002/021111b.html   - HP Announces Departure of Michael D. Capellasr  ! PALO ALTO, Calif., Nov. 11, 2002 cP --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  O HP (NYSE:HPQ) today announced that Michael D. Capellas will be leaving his posttK as president of the company and as a member of the HP board of directors toi" pursue other career opportunities.  O "We've reached a natural transition point. Michael made a commitment to see the J merger through, and now thanks to the hard work of the entire team, we areL meeting or exceeding all of our integration targets," said Carly Fiorina, HP% chairman and chief executive officer.i  P "Michael and I have been friends and peers since long before the merger. I fullyM support this decision and appreciate the dedication and passion he brought toeL our joint endeavor. On behalf of the board, management team and employees, IF want to thank Michael for his many contributions to HP," said Fiorina.  N "I am proud to have been associated with this company and believe -- as I haveF from the beginning -- that HP is redefining the information technologyK landscape," said Capellas. "I'm comfortable making this move because of thetI progress of the integration, HP's market momentum and the strength of theiP management team. I have tremendous respect for Carly and her leadership. I couldK not be more proud of our accomplishments and I have every confidence in thet future success of the company."f  N The president's position will not be replaced. The operating executives of theP company who previously reported to Capellas will now report directly to Fiorina.       l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:37:09 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyeo. Message-ID: <3DCFF8D2.4831CD5@vl.videotron.ca>  & Alan Greig quoted an HP press release:Q > "We've reached a natural transition point. Michael made a commitment to see the  > merger through,a  J Funny. I seem to recall that prior to May 7th, Curly and Carly were set toJ have a long term relationship since they were so compatible and spend many/ years building HP into a formidable enterprise.n  < But now, they admit that Curly stayed only for a few months.  0 > The president's position will not be replaced.  K In essence, Curly was given an office/secretary and told to look for a job.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:39:23 GMT $ From: "Upadhyaya" <ups@hotvoice.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS & XDMCP1 Message-ID: <fVKz9.3$e42.155784@news.cpqcorp.net>n   Hi,s: Please follow the steps to get the CDE (using eXcursion) -  $ 1) Start a DECTERM (using eXcursion)" 2) change directory to sys$startup     set def sys$startupa 3) Execute command     @decw$startup.   Hope you get CDE   Regards,	 Upadhyayah   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 10:31:47 -0800& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)6 Subject: Postscript printers and Mozilla/CSWB printing< Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0211111031.7a11b4a@posting.google.com>  F Next step in eliminating win-nt Alpha from my life is getting printingC to work from Mozilla/CSWB on my PWS 600au.  My current printer is asF LAT and IP connected DEC Colorwriter 520ic, which is fine for text andD such (and for everything from the NT box), but as far as I can tell,A Mozilla on VMS only outputs 'rich' pages in postscript.  At least 1 thats what prints (in source) on the DEC printer.-  @ I don't have a spare PS capable printer to hook up and try.  HasC anyone been using a PS printer to successfully print browser pages, 2 'html' email, etc from CSWB/Mozilla under OpenVMS?  D Also, looks like the cheap way to go might be a DeskJet 1200 or 1600F with Postscript unless a deal on a Laserjet 5M or better comes up (theB 4s I've seen are all beat to death).  Has anyone used one of thoseC deskjets, _especially_ in a VMS environment, with or without DCPS? oB Any comments on their capabilities?  THis is home/hobbyist use, so speed is not the main factor.o   Thanks!o   Rich Jordan, CCS    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:51:03 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) B Subject: Re: RISKS of VMS system mismanagement or misconfiguration< Message-ID: <HlQz9.335839$121.9231869@twister.austin.rr.com>  9 Charlie Hammond (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net) wrote:k6 : In article <rYFUo+cc5ttm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1 : Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:d : ..E : >The NTSB (U.S. National Transportation Safety Board) has released  E : >its report on the pipeline accident at Bellingham, Washington, in a : >June 1999. ...i : # : Larry -- Thanks for posting this.s : E : Is there a reason to call this "RISKS of VMS system mismanagement"  8 : rather that "RISKS of computer system mismanagemenet"? : G : I didn't notice anything specific to OpenVMS -- did I miss something?, :  Yup:  A    "...A pair of DEC VAX computers (one active, one standby) ran dH     the SCADA software. Investigators attempted to duplicate the system F     slowdown but were not successful. Nor were any flaws uncovered in       the hardware or software..."  D The VAXes were running OpenVMS and OpenVECTOR, using DECMessageQ forG keeping the databases current on the two machines and detecting failure I of the primary machine so that the backup VAX could take over the controlU of the pipelines.t  D Since then, the two VAXes have been replaced by dual-cpu Alphas, and0 later versions of OpenVECTOR, and BEA MessageQ.   : I was one of the people who worked on the upgrade project.  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:41:11 +0100 (MET)e& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>) Subject: Re: Slow performance with BACKUPg6 Message-ID: <200211110741.IAA28131@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  C years ago I did see the worst case of backup performance. I startedrD multiple IMAGE backups on the backup node, which was the same as theC boot node. After a different time, the whole cluster hangs. Nothing1C goes on. There was no disk and tape transfer. Nothing did happen. AeE crash did show, that the system did loop. If I did remember right, itg@ was within the swapper. Reducing the process quota did stop thisG failure. The problem is, that nobody knows, which quota the problem is.oC But I do not have the time to test different values, so my questionM is, do anybody know the rules?   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert  H P.S. The problem started with OpenVMS 7.1 (our actual version is 7.1-2),G the same version since I can't reboot the boot server without a cluster 4 crash or hang. In earlier version this was possible.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:58:33 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>) Subject: Re: Slow performance with BACKUPo6 Message-ID: <200211110758.IAA28225@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Richard D. Piccard wrotes:   >>>iG Have you tried allocating the target disk drive to the backup writing  oO process, mounting the target disk /FOREIGN, and writing one saveset at a time, uL in a sequence.  I know that works with removable media drives where you wantN to make a multi-volume saveset of one source disk.  A second process could be G doing likewise to the other target disk, if I recall the original post u correctly.   <<<t  B Interisting idea. But can you have concurrent backups to a foreignD mounted disk. Or can you read/write from different processes to this% disk? AFAIK, no!!! May be I am wrong.n   Best regards Rudolf Wingertm   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:08:46 GMTt& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>1 Subject: Re: Vax Macro Porting - Still Strugglingx3 Message-ID: <OmSz9.51$UC2.1369225@news.cpqcorp.net>b   Carl Perkins wrote:h   > H > Are you sure that it will be easier to port a home-made thread libraryF > than to modify the software to use a vendor supplied thread library?  I I would take Carl's advice very seriously.  If you think moving from VAX i> to Alpha is interesting, switching tasks on Itanium gets more G interesting as you have TWO stacks to deal with:  the memory stack and i the register stack.e  H And to confirm VAXman's statement, there will be a Macro-32 compiler on I OpenVMS Itanium (note the AMACRO and IMACRO referenece in my signature). -E   And as he mentioned, the compiler won't help you with architecture r specific code as such.  & It will do a few 'interesting' things:  B - It shuffles registers around to make it look like an Alpha.  Ie,D MOVL #1, R0 will still work, but it will put the result in GR8.  Of I course moving Alpha R0 on top of Itanium R8 makes others have to shuffle > around and so on.f  I - It does some save/restores around routine calls to make it appear that eH you still use the Alpha calling standard with Alpha R2-R15 as preserved F instead of exposing the fact that the underlying calling standard now & only really preserves Itanium GR4-GR7.   -- p John Reaganc' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leadert Hewlett-Packard Companyt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:25:55 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>1 Subject: RE: Vax Macro Porting - Still Strugglingm0 Message-ID: <01C2896C.DDE99020@sulfer.icius.com>  H Personally I'm a fan of Posix threads. And for anyone who doesn't mind aH little VMS extension, take a look through the related C headers. There'sG some interesting prototypes in there. For example, you can assign namesi@ to mutexes that will show up in SDA. Very useful when debugging.   Shanea   -----Original Message-----4 From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gerg.tamu.edu]* Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:45 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com81 Subject: Re: Vax Macro Porting - Still Strugglingn    1 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes..._4 }In article <zTPlD5G3PFZK@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  briggs@encompasserve.org writes:@ }> In article <99c3a525.0211071221.636daae7@posting.google.com>,( aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron) writes:E }>> Thanks for the previous help.  I have been looking into the Alphac? }>> calling standards.  I am still unsure of what to do.  I wase	 wondering D }>> if anyone could help me get started on this task by looking at a smallp@ }>> segment of macro code for me and giving me some suggestions. }>> F }>> ****************************************************************** }>> Initial_FP: .long 0I }>> , }>>   psect $CODE,long,exe,pic,rel,shr,nowrt }>>   , }>>   .entry $Initialize_Tasking,^m<R10,R11> }> kD }> Since someone was apparently attempting to implement a home-grownD }> threads library here, have you considered using a vendor-supplied }> threads library instead?o } E }Possibly because it would increase the difficulty of the programmingd }effort for the port.a  F Are you sure that it will be easier to port a home-made thread libraryD than to modify the software to use a vendor supplied thread library?  F It might be, but I wouldn't count on it. It is certainly worth lookingE into switching. When porting a program you should always check to seehH how hard it would be to reimpliment the complicated bits to use existingE native routines instead of porting your own. Porting a thread library F could be fairly difficult - you may just find yourself doing somethingE a lot like completely reimplementing it rather than just tweaking the E code a little. In that case, why reinvent the wheel? (And end up with C a "wheel" that is likely to have some bugs in it - almost certainlyJ6 more than are in the already existing native library.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:18:52 -0600 7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>vA Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 G Message-ID: <craigberry-90960E.01185211112002@news.directvinternet.com>i  )  "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:n  I > I don't think anyone can expect that a huge UNIX company like HP (#2 iniI > market) is all of a sudden going to drop everything to promote OpenVMS.   E Nor should the #1 OpenVMS company drop everything to promote HP-UX.  gH Since by HP's own numbers the installed OpenVMS base is about a quarter G the size of the HP-UX installed base, this is not like asking Kraft to  G market cheese spread that your uncle made in his bathtub.  OpenVMS and rF HP-UX are on the same order of magnitude, so the fact that HP-UX is a = bit bigger is a pretty lame excuse for not marketing OpenVMS.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:24:52 +1100t1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>hA Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002s, Message-ID: <3DCF7764.3040508@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Craig A. Berry wrote:a+ >  "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:l >  > I >>I don't think anyone can expect that a huge UNIX company like HP (#2 in I >>market) is all of a sudden going to drop everything to promote OpenVMS.i >  > G > Nor should the #1 OpenVMS company drop everything to promote HP-UX.   J > Since by HP's own numbers the installed OpenVMS base is about a quarter I > the size of the HP-UX installed base, this is not like asking Kraft to !I > market cheese spread that your uncle made in his bathtub.  OpenVMS and PH > HP-UX are on the same order of magnitude, so the fact that HP-UX is a ? > bit bigger is a pretty lame excuse for not marketing OpenVMS..   For reality, I go with Kerry.s  G HP bought Compaq not for VMS.  Compaq bought Digital (DEC) not for VMS.m  F VMS is a rope around their necks.  They do not care how much money it F engenders.  They believe that they can move the VMS market into their  own product line.   I It's idiots like us on c.o.v that want to believe VMS has a future.  The sH corporations are not worried about our jobs or how wonderful the OS is. I   They want to get maximum returns for minimal pay-outs.  They see us as oA lemmings -- can't get VMS, HP-UX has to be their next best thing.n  I Go the Micro$soft way; it has been proven the true way.  Be found guilty nE of company law illegalities, tapped on the wrist, and told by the US lG Justice Department "you naughty boys, but you can do what the h*ll you l	 want to."u  I Retirement looms, but the way my organisation is going, I might look for  G an "early" and become a hobbyist.  I'd like to die using the operating  E system that has been dead for the last several years, rather than go n< through the living death of using a BG non-operating system.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************y  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegede> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviseCB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.u  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the c= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with rC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesa> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:03:57 -0500e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002d/ Message-ID: <3DCF7267.7A62FD9D@vl.videotron.ca>    Paddy O'Brien wrote:I > HP bought Compaq not for VMS.  Compaq bought Digital (DEC) not for VMS.   L Pfeiffer bought Digital. It is pretty obvious Compaq didn't buy Digital, butL was saddled with it and viewed it as a liability rather than an asset. It isD clear Compaq would have much prefered staying a wintel-only company.  G > VMS is a rope around their necks.  They do not care how much money it.G > engenders.  They believe that they can move the VMS market into their  > own product line.8  E Not sure it is *that* bad. But it seems clear that VMS is going to benL tolerated as long as it doesn't put *any* sticks in HP's real product line.   M Stallard's original memo does show the underlying long term goal though: move $ non-core customers to core products.    I I wouldn't be surprised if there was a non-trivial number of HP folks who F wished they had inherited Alpha and that their boss Carly hadn'tbashedK proprietary chips so much. Then, HP would have decided that IA64 was a busti4 and it could then move full speed ahead with Alpha.   L But as it stands, Carly has made so many speeches about "industry standard",J and made so many negatinve statements about "proprietary" that it would beN hard for her to admit her mistakes and focus on the best products that give HPJ a technological advantage instead of trying to emulate others (IBM/Sun for enterprise, Dell for wintel).e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:43:35 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> A Subject: RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B35@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Paddy,  F Pure personal opinion, but as I mentioned before, I do not believe anyB OS can be considered 100% safe in these days - on any platform.=20  B Imho, the best way forward from a business perspective would be toF market each offering fairly and let Customers decide which is best for them.=20  C Diversity is something financial analysts typically talk about whenoB discussing your own portfolio i.e.. do not put all you eggs in oneD basket. Imho, that is no different than the strategy used by a totalG solutions provider (HP, IBM etc) looking to address the widest possibled market opportunities.g  E I'm not going to say marketing and positioning mistakes have not been G made in the past (we all know there has been), but from my perspective,oH there is a whole lot more of an "enterprise" high end view in the new HPH than there ever was under Compaq or even the last 2 years of Digital for that matter.=20   3 And that is definitely a good thing for OpenVMS.=20-  5 Is there lots more to do and improve ? Absolutely.=20    Regardsu  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)1       -----Original Message-----; From: Paddy O'Brien [mailto:paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au]=20  Sent: November 11, 2002 4:25 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComeA Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002          Craig A. Berry wrote:t+ >  "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:l >=20 >=20I >>I don't think anyone can expect that a huge UNIX company like HP (#2=20i >>in@ >>market) is all of a sudden going to drop everything to promote OpenVMS. >=20 >=20E > Nor should the #1 OpenVMS company drop everything to promote HP-UX.=A > Since by HP's own numbers the installed OpenVMS base is about a_
 quarter=20H > the size of the HP-UX installed base, this is not like asking Kraft to  H > market cheese spread that your uncle made in his bathtub.  OpenVMS and  J > HP-UX are on the same order of magnitude, so the fact that HP-UX is a=20? > bit bigger is a pretty lame excuse for not marketing OpenVMS.m   For reality, I go with Kerry.N  G HP bought Compaq not for VMS.  Compaq bought Digital (DEC) not for VMS.   H VMS is a rope around their necks.  They do not care how much money it=20H engenders.  They believe that they can move the VMS market into their=20 own product line.r  H It's idiots like us on c.o.v that want to believe VMS has a future.  The  J corporations are not worried about our jobs or how wonderful the OS is.=20H   They want to get maximum returns for minimal pay-outs.  They see us as  A lemmings -- can't get VMS, HP-UX has to be their next best thing.u  H Go the Micro$soft way; it has been proven the true way.  Be found guilty  G of company law illegalities, tapped on the wrist, and told by the US=20 I Justice Department "you naughty boys, but you can do what the h*ll you=20e	 want to."-  H Retirement looms, but the way my organisation is going, I might look for  I an "early" and become a hobbyist.  I'd like to die using the operating=20EG system that has been dead for the last several years, rather than go=20w< through the living death of using a BG non-operating system.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************d  G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged andn< confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise thed@ sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.i  C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20aC immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20,? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20rC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesoH virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************-   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 07:13:52 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)oA Subject: RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS200253 Message-ID: <mCjWNrBXV5nt@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B2D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > F > "OpenVMS has been recognized for its rock solid reliability for manyJ > years. It was built from the beginning to endure the test of time. HP isG > proud to celebrate its 25th anniversary this year and I am especiallyTI > pleased that it continues to attract new Customers and new applicationsm > in key market segments." >   #    Yes.  Positive and from the top.d  E    Now if I'd just seen it last night while JAX was tromping all overi    WAS.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 07:17:45 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)tA Subject: RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002i3 Message-ID: <recmQ1gTHfQC@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B33@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > I > Who knows? AIX, HP-UX, Solaris may all be replaced by Linux in the neari > future.=20  E    Well, of course, Gartner thinks they know.  Solaris and AIX have anF    future according to Gartner.  And now the project that took lots ofF    our systems from VMS to IRIX (because Gartner said VMS is dead) is -    looking to take us from IRIX to Solaris.  @  :    Meanwhile the systems running on VMS just keep running.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:38:43 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>:A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002H; Message-ID: <01KOQW4N6H8Y9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>$  I > I am surprised no one has commented on the Carly portion of the video. m >  > Carly Quote: > F > "OpenVMS has been recognized for its rock solid reliability for manyJ > years. It was built from the beginning to endure the test of time. HP isG > proud to celebrate its 25th anniversary this year and I am especiallypI > pleased that it continues to attract new Customers and new applicationsr > in key market segments." >  > End quote. > G > [ok, ok, its only one small step, but surely this is viewed as a veryi > positive step?]   C Would that be one small step for a man, one giant leap for Carly?  MC (Sorry, couldn't resist.  At least with VMS sold from Compaq to HP 95 "Houston, we have a problem" is no longer an option.).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:31:55 GMT 0 From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002>2 Message-ID: <%XQz9.37$3i2.425129@news.cpqcorp.net>  J ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/os/openvms now has 2 mpg files (or will have whenC the mirror comes by so give it until  after 1PM before responding).a OpenVMS-at-25-opening.mpg  andi OpenVMS-at-25-closer.mpg  > The real files are also available for download as a zip set atH http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25/index.html (the mpg's will have links tomorrow).   -warrenr  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KOQW4N6H8Y9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...sJ > > I am surprised no one has commented on the Carly portion of the video. > >  > > Carly Quote: > >tH > > "OpenVMS has been recognized for its rock solid reliability for manyL > > years. It was built from the beginning to endure the test of time. HP isI > > proud to celebrate its 25th anniversary this year and I am especiallyoK > > pleased that it continues to attract new Customers and new applications. > > in key market segments." > >= > > End quote. > >_I > > [ok, ok, its only one small step, but surely this is viewed as a veryc > > positive step?]v >oC > Would that be one small step for a man, one giant leap for Carly? D > (Sorry, couldn't resist.  At least with VMS sold from Compaq to HP7 > "Houston, we have a problem" is no longer an option.)P   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:22:39 -0800k$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>A Subject: RE: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002o0 Message-ID: <01C2896C.6C7C8B90@sulfer.icius.com>  F There is a package called "streambox" which may be of interest. It's aF product that was tested, found to work, and killed by pressure from MSG and Real Networks. It captures streams of video and saves them locally.tE If you have a good rummage around on the net you can find a couple ofyG beta versions packaged and with the "phone home" code patched out. I'veuF no idea if it's strictly speaking legal, but I've seen it work on real video very well.   Shanet   -----Original Message-----6 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]* Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:51 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComCA Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002.     JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H > > rtsp://161.114.48.167:554/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070 > > --stop--H > > pnm://161.114.48.167:7070/vms/VMSOpenerT1.rm?cloakport=8080,554,7070 > J > Yeah, that is the list of possible "servers" and prototocols to download that6 > video. (pnm: is usually for slower bandwidth lines). > N > There are some utilities to capture the stream and save it. However, rtsp isH > "real time streaming protocol" and its speed adjusts depending on lineN > conditions, so it really needs bidirectional handshaking that goes on fairly
 > constantly.w > 2 > what is wrong with downloading the real player ?  H I have RealPlayer. I'm looking to store the video for archival purposes,D and also to refine the playback until I find the best combination ofC settings without having to wait for it to download on each attempt.p   -- o David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:37:56 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>dG Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATn; Message-ID: <01KOQU0IRFN69ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > > Looking at http://www.garykessler.net/library/tcpip.html#IPcidr I haveL > > the impression that NAT (which the obvious routers I would buy appear toK > > support) would be enough AS LONG AS ONLY ONE MACHINE AT A TIME ACCESSESoL > > THE INTERNET.  If, however, more than one machine at a time accesses the0 > > internet, then I need PAT.  Is this correct? > N > Perhaps this is a matter of semantics, but "NAT" as is marketed by makers of9 > home routers, allows multiple simultaneous connections.y  I I'm sure there is some semantic confusion.  Are you reasonably sure that e% all NAT home routers actually do PAT?   N > Your router will make it look to the internet like there is only a single IP, > address and a single machine on your line.   Right.  H > Each of your machines on your lan will have a private address, usuallyI > non-routable address (for instance 10.*.*.*). Your router will have twosL > interfaces. On the LAN side, it will have an address in the same subnet asQ > your computers. On the WAN side, it will get whatever address the ISP gives it.b   Right.  K > Note that some DSL providers insist on downgrading service with the addedCN > PPPoE layer. This slows down the line, and adds overhead on the router whichP > much repackage packets. (and isn't truly "alwasy on" since you must log in and= > out via PPP commands (the router does this for you though).u   Right.  I > > If I need PAT but NAT would be better, for whatever reasons, is thereiD > > any way to get the cluster-alias address to be used for OUTgoing > > connections as well? > K > No matter which of your LAN's machine makes the outgoing call, the target.L > computer will get a request coming from the one IP negotiated betwene your > router and the ISP.   H Misunderstanding---pure VMS question.  Apparently, the cluster alias is G only used for INcoming connections, whereas outgoing connections don't lD make use of it.  Thus a problem if only one machine (at a time) can   initiate an outgoing connection.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:42:08 +0100 (MET)m9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>aG Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATd; Message-ID: <01KOQU5ZIXDK9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I > it's perfectly possible that I've misunderstood the difference betweeeno; > PAT and NAT (I hadn't heard of PAT before this thread).  r  " The terms seem to be used loosely.   > The way I takeH > it is that PAT is just a proper subset of NAT, having one and only oneK > outside address, whereas NAT has a pool of one or more outside addresses.o  ? I don't think either is a proper subset of the other.  NAT: IP mG masquerading (one or more addresses visible to the outside), PAT: more .D than one machine on the inside can connect to the outside at a time 1 (requires keeping track of the Ports, hence Pat).t  F > As to simulataneous access by all 20 machines, I'd be very surprisedF > if *any* PAT or NAT router did not support it.  Certainly my NetgearG > ISDN router (RH348) supports exactly what I understand you're lookingr$ > for, as does Netgear's DSL router.  I I hope so.  Of course, I have an ISDN router now which supports multiple K) connections, but it does no masquerading.i   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:44:25 +0100 (MET)g9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>zG Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT:; Message-ID: <01KOQU9Z4Z2M9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>w   > Not so fast. > J > With respect for Mark, who the above seems to come from, I disagree with > the advice.  > F > My limited understand of NAT is that there is a part of an IP packetI > where the NAT router can place some information, which will be includedrG > in any IP packets returned from the (outside) target system.  The NAT J > router uses this information to determine which inside system is gettingG > a response, and forwards the response to that system.  All systems onnF > the internal network can send packets out over the internet, and get
 > responses. a  G This is known as "connection tracking".  Yes, there is a bit set which jH says that it is "return traffic" and, presumably, the router could keep G track of this.  However, in this case it is probably doing PAT, by any   other name.s  > > However, if the incoming IP packet doesn't have the expectedC > information, then it isn't a response, but an unsolicited inbound-J > packet.  Either the router has a single specified system that gets theseI > packets, making that system appear to the outside to be the sole systemtH > represented by the IP address assigned by the ISP, or it discards suchI > packets as undeliverable if it doesn't have an internal system 'visable  > to the internet'.    Right.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:53:42 +0000 (UTC)r+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)mG Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATp+ Message-ID: <aqo98m$1ge$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>u  [ In article <3DCD0963.14063.85D66DA@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:r >Phillip Helbig wrote:B >> If you have only one outside address, you'll need to use PAT toE >> allow multiple nodes to make outbound connections simultaneously. c >e >Nope. > C >When an inside machine creates an outgoing connection, the router dF >associates the inside machine's address and port ("N" as an example) E >with the outbound connection.  Packets coming back to the router on HC >port "N" are sent back to the inside machine.  Any cheap consumer  + >router will do this for multiple machines.i >I  L But that is the point. What you have described maybe what resellers call NATN but in reality it isn't NAT. NAT just translates addresses. If the translationK includes port information then it is not NAT it is PORT ADDRESS TRANSLATIONCL (or NETWORK ADDRESS and PORT TRANSLATION - NAPT  or any other similar name).  J If you want to make multiple simultaneous connections from multiple insideK addresses using one external address then you need to use PAT. Whether the e? vendor calls it NAT is irrelevent. If it works it is using PAT.   O If on the otherhand you have multiple outside addresses you may not wish to useoN PAT. PAT can cause additional problems to those generally associated with NAT.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      G >What this will NOT work for is FTP -- in FTP, the target system opens lF >a connection back to the originator (that's the "data connection" it E >mentions at the start of a transfer).  The expensive routers detect eB >the incoming connection, and route it back to the inside machine. >-F >However, as long as you use PASSIVE mode in FTP transfers, you don't 0 >need an expensive router.  A cheap one will do. >VG >My suggestion is to buy a cheap router at the retailer of your choice l >and give it a try.  >--Stan Quayle >Quayle Consulting Inc.S >t >----------sD >Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-16712 >8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147> >Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com >- >-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:45:26 GMTa1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)rD Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Comp.risks article on WA pipeline fire< Message-ID: <GDNz9.316944$Fw2.9377228@twister.austin.rr.com>  & Main, Kerry (Kerry.Main@hp.com) wrote:	 : Stuart,. : E : From the following url, it would appear that some SCADA sites usingc) : OpenVMS have implemented clustering.=20t :  : Reference:> : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/hydroquebec/ :   C But is SCADA/process control one of the niche markets for OpenVMS ?C  H OpenVECTOR was ported Windows NT, where clustering means two nodes with I no sharing, and unix. IIRC, there were very few unix OpenVECTOR systems, h5 most of the newer OpenVECTOR systems were Windows NT.o  E Unless SCADA/process control is one of the niche markets for OpenVMS,sB the SCADA vendors will kill off their OpenVMS products, as demand / increases for other platforms, such as Windows.   2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaili   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:31:30 -0500n' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>-D Subject: RE: VMS mentioned in Comp.risks article on WA pipeline fireT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D98A5@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Jerry,  @ >>> Unless SCADA/process control is one of the niche markets forC OpenVMS, the SCADA vendors will kill off their OpenVMS products, as : demand increases for other platforms, such as Windows. >>>  H Do you think Cust's running SCADA systems consider the impact of a virusE or security hack in their platform decisions these days? Keep in mindp8 that a virus could potentially take power grids offline.  A Fwiw, I know of at least three Provinces in Canada that run theiraF provincial power grids on OpenVMS/SCADA. One of them recently upgraded to new Alpha GS Series systems.n   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesp Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)e       -----Original Message-----; From: Jerry Leslie [mailto:LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM]=20a Sent: November 11, 2002 7:45 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComVD Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Comp.risks article on WA pipeline fire    & Main, Kerry (Kerry.Main@hp.com) wrote:	 : Stuart,e :=20E : From the following url, it would appear that some SCADA sites usingi+ : OpenVMS have implemented clustering.=3D20  :=20 : Reference:> : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/hydroquebec/ :=20  C But is SCADA/process control one of the niche markets for OpenVMS ?i  J OpenVECTOR was ported Windows NT, where clustering means two nodes with=20H no sharing, and unix. IIRC, there were very few unix OpenVECTOR systems,  5 most of the newer OpenVECTOR systems were Windows NT.u  E Unless SCADA/process control is one of the niche markets for OpenVMS,1D the SCADA vendors will kill off their OpenVMS products, as demand=20/ increases for other platforms, such as Windows.E  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emails   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:03:55 GMTp, From: "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com>* Subject: Re: What is DAP status code 5067?0 Message-ID: <fgLz9.4$H%1.23576@news.cpqcorp.net>   Lawrence Bleau wrote:m  F > Where would one find documentation on DAP error codes, anyway?  Just
 > curious.  G They were listed in "DECnet SNA Data Transfer Facility for OpenVMS Use"  (just a list - no explanation)..   bob.know1es@hp.com% (non-spammers should make the 1 an L)7   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:03:26 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>' Subject: WorldCom and HP together ! ! ! @ Message-ID: <20021111170326.39278.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>  7 I am imaginig WorldCom outsourcing all their tech team U6 to HP Services, buying OpenVMS servers for billing and5 using OpenView as standard management platform  ! ! !e     Regardsl   FC      , --- David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote:6 > Looks like Worldcom is next for the Curly treatment: > , >   http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173 > C > At least with Worldcom, already in Chapter 11, there won't be anyeF > need to disguise Curly's role as the Liquidator.  That is, unlike atI > Compaq, where they pretended he was actually trying to run the company.< > In one sense or another. > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu@ > Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech     =====M ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilo fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?# HotJobs - Search new jobs daily nown http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/h   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 07:39:44 -0800+ From: djanello@yahoo.com (david a. janello)u$ Subject: Re: XP1000 hardware problem= Message-ID: <91ece470.0211110739.25ea9455@posting.google.com>n  G sms@antinode.org wrote in message news:<02110614040794@antinode.org>... F > After some pretty gentle transportation, I formerly happy XP1000 hasJ > become uncommunicative (no video output, no response at COMM 1).  Of theF > eight LEDs on the main board (D14-D21), D20 and D21 stay on.  I'd beF > grateful for a diagnosis or any suggestions for further exploration. >   = I ran into a similar problem about a year ago with an XP1000.f  ; Try reseating the daughter card until it works.  I was on aaC development project and during every rebuild (on another machine) IiC would take a minute to reseat the daughter card.  After a couple ofiF hours of trial and error the machine came up and has been running fine ever since.r   David A. Janello Simulation & Searches, LLC      J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > E >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)l5 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orgp >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.624 ************************