1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 12 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 625       Contents:@ Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in@ Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in! %SYSTEM-F-LINKABORT trouble !!!!! 1 =?iso-8859-1?Q?FW=3A_Origin_=3C=2DSpam_troll=09?= 5 Re: Alpha network performance issues over leased line 5 Re: Alpha network performance issues over leased line + Re: Alpha versus Vax linker PSECT addresses P Business Week article - Will HP use this as an opportunity to promote and market  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  RE: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  RE: Capellas to head up WorldCom  RE: Capellas to head up WorldCom  Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom% Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP  Re: Detecting a serial device  Re: Detecting a serial device  Re: Detecting a serial device + Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995 + Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995 + Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995 + Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995  E10k administrator needed ! Re: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION: / Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!!  Re: FW: Origin <-Spam troll  Happy Veteran's Day  Re: Happy Veteran's Day  HELP DATA RECOVERY !!! Re: HELP DATA RECOVERY !!! Re: HELP DATA RECOVERY !!!% How to determine if a NIC is in use ?  Re: HP Advocacy Site+ Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? + Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? + Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? + RE: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? + Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? 2 Re: Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/Plus2 Re: Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/Plus Image on a NT system Re: Image on a NT system RE: Image on a NT system Re: Image on a NT system Re: Image on a NT system RE: Image on a NT system Re: Image on a NT system7 Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek & Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye& Re: Looking for contract opportunities Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping OT: Hamburger Flipping RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Pathworks and a PDC Change1 Re: Postscript printers and Mozilla/CSWB printing 9 Re: RISKS of VMS system mismanagement or misconfiguration 9 Re: RISKS of VMS system mismanagement or misconfiguration  Re: The Leper colony at ETS  Upgrading/Replacing PCm  Re: Upgrading/Replacing PCm  Re: Upgrading/Replacing PCm 
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 Re: VMS Sales " Re: WorldCom and HP together ! ! !" Re: WorldCom and HP together ! ! !" Re: WorldCom and HP together ! ! !" Re: WorldCom and HP together ! ! ! Re: XP1000 hardware problem  Re: XP1000 hardware problem   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 11 Nov 02 20:23:42 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) I Subject: Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in ) Message-ID: <51$RyYILkRj2@elias.decus.ch>   j In article <0fQz9.27$C32.147589@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:K > Did you corrupt something?  Try wiping out all the stuff in your personal C > [.dt...] area.  Perhaps something in one of the files got munged.  >   < If you have done any extensive customization of CDE, I would7 instead recommend identifying what has changed from the ; file modification dates in <.dt...>, and maybe reaching for 
 your backups.    M > The "wandering X" is the built-in (inside the X-Server) non-blanking screen L > saver.  The screen savers are a bit crazy, since itwas less designed, thanJ > "grew" in the X11 world.  The device driver has a video bloanking screenH > saver that gets kicked in if enabled.  The server DIX has both a blankK > screen (which usually causes the device driver to kick in) as well as the M > floating X.  Then CDE has *it's* screen savers which are really full screen I > override-redirect windows that it manages using a little application it 	 > spawns.  > F > Sounds like non-blanking is selected, but the CDE screen saver isn't
 > running. >  > _Fred  > & > Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...G >>I temporarily booted an AlphaStation 250 from V7.2-something in order J >>to run DOCUMENT/IMAGE.  After doing that, I found that my "blank screen"G >>screen saver (when logged in) changed to (what I consider annoying) a ! >>"wandering X of various sizes".  >>K >>But when I booted back to V7.3, I find the same behavior for my username. < >>The CDE control panel says I have selected "blank screen". >># >>Does anyone have any suggestions.  >   ? An alternative if you find you have messed up your CDE settings C is to restart DECW or reboot without logging out from CDE, to avoid / the settings being saved as part of the logout.     --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:58:10 -0800 " From: Koloth <koloth@telocity.com>I Subject: Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in + Message-ID: <3DD0A682.7060807@telocity.com>   & --------------0404020402000609090904079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   C Could be worse Larry.  It could have been a MS blue screen of death    :) Cass   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  J >Did you corrupt something?  Try wiping out all the stuff in your personalB >[.dt...] area.  Perhaps something in one of the files got munged. > L >The "wandering X" is the built-in (inside the X-Server) non-blanking screenK >saver.  The screen savers are a bit crazy, since itwas less designed, than I >"grew" in the X11 world.  The device driver has a video bloanking screen G >saver that gets kicked in if enabled.  The server DIX has both a blank J >screen (which usually causes the device driver to kick in) as well as theL >floating X.  Then CDE has *it's* screen savers which are really full screenH >override-redirect windows that it manages using a little application it >spawns. > E >Sounds like non-blanking is selected, but the CDE screen saver isn't 	 >running.  >  >_Fred > % >Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...  >    > G >>I temporarily booted an AlphaStation 250 from V7.2-something in order J >>to run DOCUMENT/IMAGE.  After doing that, I found that my "blank screen"G >>screen saver (when logged in) changed to (what I consider annoying) a ! >>"wandering X of various sizes".  >>K >>But when I booted back to V7.3, I find the same behavior for my username. < >>The CDE control panel says I have selected "blank screen". >># >>Does anyone have any suggestions.  >>     >> >  >  >    >     & --------------040402040200060909090407) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>   <title></title>  </head>  <body>L Could be worse Larry. &nbsp;It could have been a MS blue screen of death<br> <br> :)<br> Cass<br> <br> Fred Kleinsorge wrote:<br>G <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid0fQz9.27$C32.147589@news.cpqcorp.net"> X   <pre wrap="">Did you corrupt something?  Try wiping out all the stuff in your personalA [.dt...] area.  Perhaps something in one of the files got munged.   K The "wandering X" is the built-in (inside the X-Server) non-blanking screen J saver.  The screen savers are a bit crazy, since itwas less designed, thanH "grew" in the X11 world.  The device driver has a video bloanking screenF saver that gets kicked in if enabled.  The server DIX has both a blankI screen (which usually causes the device driver to kick in) as well as the K floating X.  Then CDE has *it's* screen savers which are really full screen G override-redirect windows that it manages using a little application it  spawns.   D Sounds like non-blanking is selected, but the CDE screen saver isn't running.   _Fred   $ Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">V     <pre wrap="">I temporarily booted an AlphaStation 250 from V7.2-something in orderH to run DOCUMENT/IMAGE.  After doing that, I found that my "blank screen"E screen saver (when logged in) changed to (what I consider annoying) a  "wandering X of various sizes".   I But when I booted back to V7.3, I find the same behavior for my username. : The CDE control panel says I have selected "blank screen".  ! Does anyone have any suggestions. 
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 </blockquote>  <br> </body>  </html>   ( --------------040402040200060909090407--   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 11:58:05 -0800# From: zitoune@hotmail.com (Olivier) * Subject: %SYSTEM-F-LINKABORT trouble !!!!!= Message-ID: <ba03ef99.0211111158.46680cf6@posting.google.com>    Hello,F I handle to resolve a problem of deconnexion/reconnexion unpredictable, Decnet v4 between two systems VMS in mirror.' Here is the log of the primary server:  : %SYSTEM-F-LINKABORT, network partner aborted logical link.   On the remote server :! Lost connection with name_server2   D At the network level, I have no log of disconnection at the level ofF the ports of the switch. The reconnexion is made in the same second. ID think not that the problem comes from the network (even subnet, even' switch). Then VMS, or mirroring Decnet?   ; Anybody would have an idea, because we are in the impasse?     Thank you for your help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:47:47 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?FW=3A_Origin_=3C=2DSpam_troll=09?=0 Message-ID: <01C289B2.F2959AF0@sulfer.icius.com>  B If anyone else on the group got this (since it's where he stole myD address from), I'd say it's a spam troll. This exact text appears inE several newsgroups, and he uses the address in his sig in others. Not @ exactly hard to track down. He claims to be the moderator of the@ alt.os.windows-xp newsgroup, Real name John Burton. Based on his8 nickname and interests, looks like his home page is hereH http://www.geocities.com/kadaitcha_xp/, which would make his real e-mail( address kadaitcha_xp@kadaitcha.cjb.net.   H Personally, I think I'm going to have a word with his real ISP. LeachingG addresses from newsgroups is bad netiquette. Spamming them is a hanging  offence in my book.    Shane    -----Original Message-----( From: jlearn [mailto:jlearn@eircom.net] ' Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:08 PM  To: Shane Smith  Subject: Origin       Hi,     /  Where in the world do you reside?                   John                     ------------------------------   Date: 11 Nov 2002 20:27:21 GMT& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>> Subject: Re: Alpha network performance issues over leased line* Message-ID: <aqp3r9$5hr$8@web1.cup.hp.com>  8 In comp.os.vms Dale King <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote: > Rick Jones wrote: ; >> In comp.os.vms Dale King <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote:  >>> Maverick wrote: B >>>> - An FTP put from any NT box to any NT box (over the link) is% >>>> about 170kB/s in both directions E >>>> - An FTP put from an NT box in A to the DS20 in B is again about  >>>> 25kB/s  >>... H >> So, indeed, it does appear that there may be enough receiver window -G >> which leaves questions about the SO_SNDBUF (which while usually, may E >> not be the same as the SO_RCVBUF - in some cases FTP codes weren't I >> setting both) and the cwnd (congestion window).  And questions of cwnd @ >> takes us to questions of packet loss and perhaps receiver ACKD >> policies, which takes us back to the "netstat" statistics and the >> packet trace.  O > Would he not then see the same poor performance for the NT->VMS case?  (since  > the receiver is the same)   F I've lost some of the original thread, but from above, it sounded likeF the NT-VMS case was indeed getting poor performance - "An FTP put fromD an NT box in A to the DS20 in B is again about 25kB/s" as opposed to the 170 quoted for NT to NT.  F > I don't think the TCP window size is his problem though, more likely* > he is running old, buggy version of UCX.  $ And so we await the packet traces :)  
 rick jones --  = denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, rebirth...  where do you want to be today?F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:53:38 +1100 * From: "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com>> Subject: Re: Alpha network performance issues over leased line' Message-ID: <aqpfu4$5cd$1@lore.csc.com>    Rick Jones wrote: : > In comp.os.vms Dale King <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote:G >>> So, indeed, it does appear that there may be enough receiver window F >>> - which leaves questions about the SO_SNDBUF (which while usually,B >>> may not be the same as the SO_RCVBUF - in some cases FTP codes@ >>> weren't setting both) and the cwnd (congestion window).  AndF >>> questions of cwnd takes us to questions of packet loss and perhaps? >>> receiver ACK policies, which takes us back to the "netstat" $ >>> statistics and the packet trace. > B >> Would he not then see the same poor performance for the NT->VMS* >> case?  (since the receiver is the same) > H > I've lost some of the original thread, but from above, it sounded likeH > the NT-VMS case was indeed getting poor performance - "An FTP put fromF > an NT box in A to the DS20 in B is again about 25kB/s" as opposed to > the 170 quoted for NT to NT.  ( yep, you're right.. the relevant bits...   Maverick wrote: E > In summary, performance declines dramatically when the Alpha is the - > recipient of the data, and is OK otherwise.  snipG > - An FTP put from the DS20 in A to the DS20 in B is dreadful at about  > 25kB/sF > - An FTP put from the DS20 in B to the DS20 in A is also not good at > about 50kB/sF > - An FTP put from any NT box to any NT box (over the link) is  about > 170kB/s in both directionsB > - An FTP put from an NT box in A to the DS20 in B is again about > 25kB/sF > - An FTP get from an NT box on one side of the link to a DS20 on the > other is about 170kB/sG > - Local performance from NT boxes to Alpha's (both PUT and GET) seems % > OK at about 4MB/s in both locations   K Given the rate on the local network would it be correct to assume there are & enough receive buffers for a 2Mb link?  < The big question remains - what is the delay over that link?   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 11:17:47 -0800+ From: paul_hallam@hotmail.com (Paul Hallam) 4 Subject: Re: Alpha versus Vax linker PSECT addresses= Message-ID: <5ed44bd3.0211111117.53c8ed31@posting.google.com>   F Many thanks for the help chaps but I'm afraid my example may have been a little misleading, I said : e.g. (VERY SIMPLIFIED)       ===============  PASCAL CODE 3  data1 : [Global,Psect(shr_name),Volatile] BOOLEAN; 3  data2 : [Global,Psect(shr_name),Volatile] BOOLEAN; D  data3 : [Global,Psect(shr_name),Volatile] Array [1..10[ of integer;3  data4 : [Global,Psect(shr_name),Volatile] BOOLEAN;   , whereas the following may have been better :   e.g. (VERY SIMPLIFIED) PASCAL CODE 5  c_data1 : [Global,Psect(shr_name),Volatile] BOOLEAN; 5  t_data2 : [Global,Psect(shr_name),Volatile] BOOLEAN; F  p_data3 : [Global,Psect(shr_name),Volatile] Array [1..10[ of integer;5  c_data4 : [Global,Psect(shr_name),Volatile] BOOLEAN;   F I.E. On the vax the name of the variables didn't matter, the psect wasD created with the variables in the same order as they appeared in theE pascal (i.e. c_data1, t_data2, p_data3, c_data4) whereas, as you say, C on the alpha the compiler/linker appears to sort the psect elements F alphabetically (i.e. c_data1, c_data4, p_data3, t_data2) which because@ of the way the programs were written gives some very interestingC results on the Alpha - but not quite what was generated on the vax.   E If there is no simple solution I will bite the bullet and rewrite the 	 software.    Again, many thanks   Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:53:41 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Business Week article - Will HP use this as an opportunity to promote and market I Message-ID: <pgRz9.43168$YSz1.26401@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   J http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2002/tc20021111_2402.htm NOVEMBER 11, 2002    SECURITY NET By Alex Salkever    & Computer Break-Ins: Your Right to KnowI California law now demands that the public be informed when government or 1 corporate databases are breached. It's about time H In April, 2002, hackers broke into the payroll database for the state ofF California. For more than a month, cybercriminals rooted around in theD personal information of 265,000 Golden State employees, ranging from6 Governor Gray Davis to maintenance workers and clerks.  L Worse, the California Controller's Office, which ran the database, failed toC notify state employees for more than two weeks after the breach was H discovered. Although officials with the Controller's office insisted theG break-in probably hadn't resulted in any significant harm, the incident L enraged Golden State pols and employees, whose Social Security numbers, bankG account information, and home addresses were fair game for the hackers.   H This lapse sparked what may mark a dramatic shift in legal policy towardJ cybersecurity. Over strenuous objections from the business lobby, on Sept.K 26 California enacted a sweeping measure that mandates public disclosure of J computer-security breaches in which confidential information may have beenK compromised. The law covers not just state agencies but private enterprises K doing business in California. Come July 1, 2003, those who fail to disclose J that a breach has occurred could be liable for civil damages or face class actions.   LEAPFROGGING D.C. H According to legal experts, this is the first state law of its kind. AndJ because of California's size and prominent role in the high-tech industry,G it could create a de facto national disclosure policy. What's more, the J California law leapfrogs efforts by industry and White House cybersecurityF chief Richard Clarke to create an amnesty policy designed to encourageH companies to share information about breaches with law enforcement. ThatD policy, which is written into the still-pending House version of theL Homeland Security Act, would exempt from the U.S. Freedom of Information ActF any information about security breaches that's shared with the federal government.   F I think the California law is long overdue. In far too many instances,J companies and governments have kept mum after they were hacked, seeking toH preserve their reputations and avoid public outcry while their customersL face risk of identity theft. Computer-security breaches must be treated likeJ any other issue of public safety, and people must be informed when they're at risk.  J The bill cuts to the quick of what has been an extremely contentious issueC in the computer-security field. Businesses and many law-enforcement L personnel argue that disclosing security breaches to the public could affectI legal cases and disrupt investigations. It also would make companies more K reluctant to share information on cyberattacks -- making it harder to fight  hackers.   NUISANCE SUITS. J "Because businesses currently fear sharing information about cyberattacks,I they're holding information back. Because of that, we're less equipped at C the government level and the industry level to figure out where our F vulnerabilities are great and how to address them," says Mario Correa,L director of Internet and security policy for the Business Software Alliance, a high-tech trade group.  C Legal experts fear that the law could unleash a torrent of nuisance H litigation. "A statute like California's is going to give rise to untoldE number of class actions, some of them created by aggressive plaintiff F lawyers," says Jeffrey D. Neuburger, an expert in technology law and aK partner at New York City firm Brown Raysman Millstein Felder & Steiner. "It # won't serve the public's interest."   K Consumer groups strongly disagree. Consumer Union, the self-styled advocacy F group that helped craft the California bill, argues that if the publicI doesn't know what's going on, people can't protect themselves from crimes G such as identity theft and credit-card fraud. Even if it appears that a J breach hasn't resulted in major exposures of critical information, such asL Social Security or bank-account numbers, the reality is that it's impossibleC to know for sure whether intruders have grabbed any sensitive data.    THE NET REMEMBERS.G "We can't protect ourselves if we don't know what's being done with our H information," says Gail Hillebrand, a senior attorney at CU. She rightlyI points out that timely notification would allow victims to warn the three H big credit-reporting agencies to watch out for strange activity on theirE accounts or to give victims time to request a new driver's license or / credit-card number, or open a new bank account.   J The Internet's elephantine memory is also a concern. Nothing that makes itL onto the Net in a digital format ever really disappears. "As our informationJ exists in more databases, we are exposed to more risks of identity theft,"J says Hillebrand. She thinks a salutary benefit of the legislation would beL companies and agencies putting a higher priority on data security and takingI more preventive action. "We always hear there will be litigation, but the G best way to avoid litigation is to have good prevention in place," says  Hillebrand.   D Most businesses that get hacked surely do the right thing and informJ customers. Also, the idea of allowing companies to quietly share technicalE information on breaches with investigators clearly has merit. In some B instances, law enforcement's claims that full disclosure will ruinH investigations are valid. For that reason, the California law includes a> clause suspending full disclosure if such a move would harm an investigation.  H Under any other circumstance, however, the public's right to know should< trump a company or government's right to save face or money.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:12:39 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom / Message-ID: <3DD00122.BF2FEE98@vl.videotron.ca>    Hans Vlems wrote: $ > Dead is a fairly stable condition.1 > Perhaps he should set up shop with B.Palmer....   M No. Intel placed Palmer at AMD as a sleeper agent. And the minute AMD becomes J a real threath to Intel, then Palmer will kick into action and destroy AMD from within.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:26:56 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> ) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom 8 Message-ID: <20021111112656.0c2f7503.mathog@caltech.edu>  " On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:04:47 -05001 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:     N > But I really can't imagine why Worldcom would want a guy who ran Compaq into; > oblivion as its new CEO in charge of refloating Worldcom.   H Kind of obvious isn't it?  The board didn't decide to refloat Worldcom -C they decided to cut up the remains.  So they called in a butcher.   C Palmer must have been too busy to attend to it (finding a good suit = can be a full time job!) so they called in the second string.    Regards,   --   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:26:43 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>) Subject: RE: Capellas to head up WorldCom 0 Message-ID: <01C28975.391D0FA0@sulfer.icius.com>  D Rumour has it Intel are developing an alternative 64-bit chip that'sB Hammer compatible, in case IA-64 tanks. Intel denies this. KnowingG Intel's fondness for (ahem) letting others develop technology, and that G there's a Palmer-bomb in place at AMD, maybe Hammer /is/ Intel's backup  chip?   G IA-64 tanks horribly, Intel set off the Palmer-bomb, AMD goes bankrupt, # Intel scoops up Hammer for peanuts.    Shane    -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] ( Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:13 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom      Hans Vlems wrote: $ > Dead is a fairly stable condition.1 > Perhaps he should set up shop with B.Palmer....   E No. Intel placed Palmer at AMD as a sleeper agent. And the minute AMD  becomes F a real threath to Intel, then Palmer will kick into action and destroy AMD  from within.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:22:57 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom / Message-ID: <3DD0038B.A472F83F@vl.videotron.ca>   F Now that Compaq is truly dead, it will be interesing to see what Carly *really* does.  N Will all product lines now be moved quickly under the HP umbrella with no more "compaq" brand names ?  M Was Carly just playing "I am good buddies with Curly and we both like wintel" E as an act to lure compaq into HP's hands, and will now return to true B enterprise computing, or will she increase her pro=wintel stance ?  J Carly couldn't have gone to Curly and told him he was an incompetent twit,K since Curly woudln't have cooperated with Carly and Curly woudl have sought N another investor to save the company. So there is a question of how much of anM act Carly had to make to make Curly feel "comfortable" with HP buying Compaq.    Only time will tell.   ------------------------------  6 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:12 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)9 From: duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald) ) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom B Message-ID: <memo.20021111201251.54975A@macdonald.compulink.co.uk>  O In article <aqo0g9024i@drn.newsguy.com>, a.greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) wrote:   + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6173   >   , > Mike "Curly" Capellas to head up Worldcom  >  > No, we're not joking > 0 > By Mike Magee: Monday 11 November 2002, 09:56   I Perhaps it is time for Sun to give the "Employee of the Decade Award" to  7 Capellas for his services in removing their competition    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:24:10 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom 2 Message-ID: <xaOdnY6jBfl4jE2gXTWc3g@metrocast.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3DD0038B.A472F83F@vl.videotron.ca... H > Now that Compaq is truly dead, it will be interesing to see what Carly > *really* does. > K > Will all product lines now be moved quickly under the HP umbrella with no  more > "compaq" brand names ? > G > Was Carly just playing "I am good buddies with Curly and we both like  wintel" G > as an act to lure compaq into HP's hands, and will now return to true D > enterprise computing, or will she increase her pro=wintel stance ? > L > Carly couldn't have gone to Curly and told him he was an incompetent twit,F > since Curly woudln't have cooperated with Carly and Curly woudl have soughtJ > another investor to save the company. So there is a question of how much of an G > act Carly had to make to make Curly feel "comfortable" with HP buying  Compaq.   G Probably not much of one at all.  C&C were good buddies for a couple of L years before the merger announcement, and likely got to know each other more than adequately.  I Curly's timely but not quite precipitate departure, after all, is exactly F what the pundits predicted from the beginning.  He doubtless considersK himself a player, and just needed a comfortable position to hold until such I time as someone else shared that opinion.  And for a company that needs a A bean-counter/butcher, he probably *is* (short-term) CEO material.   E A ComputerWorld article reflected analyst unease with his departure - K apparently they think his COO-style contributions to cHumPaq were important C (and one could even imagine some truth in that:  take away any real K decision-making authority, and he may be a useful high-level gofer).  But I K wouldn't expect any significant changes in corporate direction at HP:  that L wasn't his department anyway (though it certainly seemed consistent with the$ direction he established at Compaq).  I It would be nice to be able to say "One down, one (plus a few minions) to L go."  But realistically this changes nothing relevant to the concerns of DECF users, since it does not reflect any change in attitude - just a minorL executive shuffle, unless HP now falls apart more quickly and thus generates2 a complete top-level management transplant sooner.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:46:47 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom / Message-ID: <3DD0172B.7F45F67B@vl.videotron.ca>    Duncan Macdonald wrote: J > Perhaps it is time for Sun to give the "Employee of the Decade Award" to9 > Capellas for his services in removing their competition   L Good one. And Scott McNealy might be capable of doing such a thing. It wouldJ be good marketing too, unless Worldcom is a big customer for Sun, in which$ case, Sun shouldn't insult Worldcom.  M Perhaps Curly will rebound, and do the resverse: split off MCI from Worldcom, N and Curly would stay at Worldcom to preside over the shutdown of an asset-lessI virtual company while MCI, un-hindered by Worldcom's debts and management 9 would once againb become a prominent telecom corporation.   M And with Curly staying at Worldcom, MCI would be free to continue to use VMS.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:33:09 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) ) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom & Message-ID: <H5Fqr9.K5o@world.std.com>  0 In article <01C28975.391D0FA0@sulfer.icius.com>,& Shane Smith  <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  F > Rumour has it Intel are developing an alternative 64-bit chip that'sD > Hammer compatible, in case IA-64 tanks. Intel denies this. KnowingI > Intel's fondness for (ahem) letting others develop technology, and that I > there's a Palmer-bomb in place at AMD, maybe Hammer /is/ Intel's backup  > chip?   F If Intel were to have a backup plan (i.e. a 64-bit extended version ofJ IA-32), you can be sure it wouldn't be Hammer compatible.  AMD pretty muchH has all of its eggs in the Hammer basket.  If Intel release a comparable) but incompatible processor, AMD is toast.   H The interesting catch here is that doing this would, I think, completelyF undermine their IA-64 effort.  The dynamics of the situation is really interesting.  H If I were Intel, I'd /really/ want to have Hammer-like processor waitingG in the background in case IA-64 doesn't pull through, or in case Hammer I starts eating into Intel's market.  But Intel would have to keep any such I project completely secret to avoid undermining IA-64.  That's a hell of a I position in which to find yourself.  You're potentially damned if you do, $ and potentially damned if you don't.  G I'd like to see AMD come out of this a winner, but I don't know if they I will.  I'll speculate that Intel does have a 64-bit Pentium in the works,0E despite their adamant denials.  Guess I'll have to wait a year or twof before I'll know.e   -brian.e --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----=          "VAX - when you care enough to steal the very best."D9              -- Etched into the CVAX processors' silicon.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:41:22 +0100l6 From: Martin Heller <martin.nospam.heller@mheller.org>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldComt* Message-ID: <3DD02402.6000404@mheller.org>   Shane Smith schrieb:F > Rumour has it Intel are developing an alternative 64-bit chip that'sD > Hammer compatible, in case IA-64 tanks. Intel denies this. KnowingE This project has been terminated.  That was probably one of the main u4 reasons Andy Glew changed his job and is now at AMD. link: V http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9fa03643.0207221334.7c89d4ab%40posting.google.com Yours,	 M. Helleru  I > Intel's fondness for (ahem) letting others develop technology, and thatmI > there's a Palmer-bomb in place at AMD, maybe Hammer /is/ Intel's backupe > chip?n > I > IA-64 tanks horribly, Intel set off the Palmer-bomb, AMD goes bankrupt,s% > Intel scoops up Hammer for peanuts.a >  > ShaneU >  > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]D* > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come+ > Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  >  >  > Hans Vlems wrote:  > $ >>Dead is a fairly stable condition.1 >>Perhaps he should set up shop with B.Palmer....E >  > G > No. Intel placed Palmer at AMD as a sleeper agent. And the minute AMDP	 > becomesiH > a real threath to Intel, then Palmer will kick into action and destroy > AMDe > from within.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:19:57 -0500e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom / Message-ID: <3DD02CFB.5D114378@vl.videotron.ca>n   Bill Todd wrote:M > wouldn't expect any significant changes in corporate direction at HP:  thatmN > wasn't his department anyway (though it certainly seemed consistent with the& > direction he established at Compaq).  I Prior to may 7th, I would have agreed with you 113%. Carly and Curly wereeU "industry standard and wintel" fanatics with anything not fitting that being ditched.o  L But since may 7th, Carly seems to have been much more resonable with respectK to serious systems and less emphatic about "industry standard" and "wintel"s stuff. .  G I *suspect* that Deutche Bank may have forced Carly to drop that wintelcM centric stuff in exchange for their pivotal support. This was, after all, onerH of the big complains from the Hewletts who opposed the buying of compaq.  I Whether Carly personally believes in the new direction, or whether she iseK really forced by the bankers and others to go to the "serious computing", I  really do not know.t  M Lets assume Carly were *really* smart for a minute.  Strategically, she knowsSL that Compaq would be the only wintel company capable of mounting a worldwide> wintel assault on HP-UX. Dell doesn't have worldwide presence.  L So, pretend you're a wintel company, become best buddies with dumbo CapellasG and invite him to join the ranks at HP because the two companies are so J compatible. So compatible in fact that Carly and Hewlett pretend to fight.  K But as soon a the HP has signed the buyout of Compaq, dumbo Capellas is put M aside, and all of a sudden, the wintel business doesn't figure so prominentlyt' anymore and HP-UX seems more important.-  N End result: for 25 billion (or whatever it costed to buy Compaq), HP will haveK eliminated the only company capable of bringing wintel to enterprise and asa) such, will have preserved HP-UX's future.M  M The problem is that I have absolutly no idea on whether Carly is brilliant or  just as dumb as dumbo Capellas.!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:26:58 -05000* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom-2 Message-ID: <pfednebq6poxs02gXTWc3g@metrocast.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee) news:3DD02CFB.5D114378@vl.videotron.ca...  > Bill Todd wrote:I > > wouldn't expect any significant changes in corporate direction at HP:, thatL > > wasn't his department anyway (though it certainly seemed consistent with ther( > > direction he established at Compaq). > K > Prior to may 7th, I would have agreed with you 113%. Carly and Curly werefH > "industry standard and wintel" fanatics with anything not fitting that being ditched. >tF > But since may 7th, Carly seems to have been much more resonable with respectoD > to serious systems and less emphatic about "industry standard" and "wintel" > stuff.  J Carly is no dummy when it comes to figuring out how to say things in a wayC that people will respond favorably to.  The real question is:  whateJ *substantive actions* has she taken since May 7th to support the idea that anything has really changed?   ...a  L > The problem is that I have absolutly no idea on whether Carly is brilliant or! > just as dumb as dumbo Capellas.a  K Until you have some (any) actual evidence to support the former assumption,pG the weight of the evidence supporting the latter is rather difficult to F ignore.  If you're not familiar with Carly's record at HP prior to theI merger announcement, it would likely behoove you to become so (unless you7: prefer to continue your completely baseless speculations).   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:00:06 GMT(# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldComII Message-ID: <WDWz9.60134$MGm1.41708@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   4 "David Mathog" <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message2 news:20021111112656.0c2f7503.mathog@caltech.edu...$ > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:04:47 -05003 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:o >l >iK > > But I really can't imagine why Worldcom would want a guy who ran Compaq  into= > > oblivion as its new CEO in charge of refloating Worldcom.  >aJ > Kind of obvious isn't it?  The board didn't decide to refloat Worldcom -C > they decided to cut up the remains.  So they called in a butcher.iE > Palmer must have been too busy to attend to it (finding a good suit2? > can be a full time job!) so they called in the second string.o  + Priceless.  I like the way your mind works.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:34:14 -0800)$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>) Subject: RE: Capellas to head up WorldComl0 Message-ID: <01C289A8.ADF6AA10@sulfer.icius.com>  E Very interesting. What is your reason for believing the cancelling of H the backup chip (Yamhill?) is the reason for Andy's change of jobs, if I@ may ask? I notice he's very careful in that post not to give any. reasons, and it's his only post in the thread.   Shanei   -----Original Message-----= From: Martin Heller [mailto:martin.nospam.heller@mheller.org] ' Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:41 PMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldComr     Shane Smith schrieb:F > Rumour has it Intel are developing an alternative 64-bit chip that'sD > Hammer compatible, in case IA-64 tanks. Intel denies this. KnowingE This project has been terminated.  That was probably one of the main o4 reasons Andy Glew changed his job and is now at AMD. link:SH http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9fa03643.0207221334.7c89d4ab%40post ing.google.com Yours,	 M. Hellers  I > Intel's fondness for (ahem) letting others develop technology, and that I > there's a Palmer-bomb in place at AMD, maybe Hammer /is/ Intel's backup3 > chip?t > I > IA-64 tanks horribly, Intel set off the Palmer-bomb, AMD goes bankrupt,d% > Intel scoops up Hammer for peanuts.e >  > Shaneo >  > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] * > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:13 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComP+ > Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldComo >  >  > Hans Vlems wrote:  > $ >>Dead is a fairly stable condition.1 >>Perhaps he should set up shop with B.Palmer....s >  > G > No. Intel placed Palmer at AMD as a sleeper agent. And the minute AMDo	 > becomeseH > a real threath to Intel, then Palmer will kick into action and destroy > AMDc > from within.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:36:18 -0800o$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>) Subject: RE: Capellas to head up WorldComs0 Message-ID: <01C289A8.DDA5B210@sulfer.icius.com>  C I know Deutsche Bank, at least up to '97 and with no visible change"D planned, used VMS systems in at least one critical area. I wonder if  that had anything to do with it?   Shaner   -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] ' Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:20 PMi To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldComd     Bill Todd wrote:M > wouldn't expect any significant changes in corporate direction at HP:  that N > wasn't his department anyway (though it certainly seemed consistent with the& > direction he established at Compaq).  D Prior to may 7th, I would have agreed with you 113%. Carly and Curly wereF "industry standard and wintel" fanatics with anything not fitting that being ditched.  D But since may 7th, Carly seems to have been much more resonable with respectnB to serious systems and less emphatic about "industry standard" and "wintel" stuff. r  G I *suspect* that Deutche Bank may have forced Carly to drop that wintelnD centric stuff in exchange for their pivotal support. This was, after all, oneH of the big complains from the Hewletts who opposed the buying of compaq.  F Whether Carly personally believes in the new direction, or whether she is= really forced by the bankers and others to go to the "seriousi
 computing", I% really do not know.o  G Lets assume Carly were *really* smart for a minute.  Strategically, she  knows,B that Compaq would be the only wintel company capable of mounting a	 worldwidet> wintel assault on HP-UX. Dell doesn't have worldwide presence.  C So, pretend you're a wintel company, become best buddies with dumbol CapellasG and invite him to join the ranks at HP because the two companies are sokC compatible. So compatible in fact that Carly and Hewlett pretend tot fight.  G But as soon a the HP has signed the buyout of Compaq, dumbo Capellas ism putsA aside, and all of a sudden, the wintel business doesn't figure son prominently ' anymore and HP-UX seems more important.e  D End result: for 25 billion (or whatever it costed to buy Compaq), HP	 will have H eliminated the only company capable of bringing wintel to enterprise and as) such, will have preserved HP-UX's future.S  @ The problem is that I have absolutly no idea on whether Carly is brilliant or just as dumb as dumbo Capellas.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:01:23 +0100x6 From: Martin Heller <martin.nospam.heller@mheller.org>) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldComt* Message-ID: <3DD08B23.5030901@mheller.org>   Shane Smith schrieb:G > Very interesting. What is your reason for believing the cancelling of J > the backup chip (Yamhill?) is the reason for Andy's change of jobs, if IB > may ask? I notice he's very careful in that post not to give any0 > reasons, and it's his only post in the thread.  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4565   excerpt:  F "AN ENGINEER WHO LEFT INTEL FOR AMD has posted a cryptic message on a F newsgroup and picked up on Ace's Hardware here trying to avoid saying  why he's done so.y  H Spookily, your inquiring INQUIRER picked up on a earlier piece at Ace's I place that had unearthed Andy Glew's CV online. Glew said he'd worked on  G a cancelled project which "proposed to extend the IA32/X86 instruction GA set to 64 bits". Guesses are that the canellation left poor Glew o@ twiddling his thumbs, so he jumped ship to arch-rival AMD.  ..."   Yours,	 M. Hellern   >  > Shanel >  > -----Original Message-----? > From: Martin Heller [mailto:martin.nospam.heller@mheller.org]r) > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:41 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComN+ > Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldComa >  >  > Shane Smith schrieb: > F >>Rumour has it Intel are developing an alternative 64-bit chip that'sD >>Hammer compatible, in case IA-64 tanks. Intel denies this. Knowing > G > This project has been terminated.  That was probably one of the main w6 > reasons Andy Glew changed his job and is now at AMD. > link: J > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9fa03643.0207221334.7c89d4ab%40post > ing.google.com > Yours, > M. Hellerq >  > I >>Intel's fondness for (ahem) letting others develop technology, and thattI >>there's a Palmer-bomb in place at AMD, maybe Hammer /is/ Intel's backup  >>chip?a >>I >>IA-64 tanks horribly, Intel set off the Palmer-bomb, AMD goes bankrupt, % >>Intel scoops up Hammer for peanuts.a >> >>Shaneb >> >>-----Original Message-----9 >>From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] * >>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:13 AM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + >>Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldComh >> >> >>Hans Vlems wrote:l >> >>% >>>Dead is a fairly stable condition.g2 >>>Perhaps he should set up shop with B.Palmer.... >> >>G >>No. Intel placed Palmer at AMD as a sleeper agent. And the minute AMDb	 >>becomeshH >>a real threath to Intel, then Palmer will kick into action and destroy >>AMDt >>from within. >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 20:07:27 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o. Subject: Re: Cluster load balancing via TCP/IP3 Message-ID: <wxD2ehuieXo+@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  b In article <3DCF3F7A.9EE062CF@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:K >>         The client polls a DNS server to resolve VMSCLUSTER.  VMSCLUSTER F >>         is resolved by the nodes offering the service.  TTL ensuresJ >>         that the info is only cached for 1 minute.  I suppose you couldG >>         be abusive and lower that, but 1 minute is good enough (alsonJ >>         Multinet recalculates load every minute so a 1 minute TTL makes >>         sense). > M > It has often been said that VMS's clustering andTCPIP services provided far M > superior and faster response to redirect traffic when a node failed so that + > incoming calls get redirected right away.  > M > But in the current explanation, wouldn't it take at least one minute beforeT? > the DNS server starts to send requests to the "backup" node ?  >   = 	Perhaps.  But if there are 8 nodes in your cluster, you haveo= 	a 1 in 8 probability of the least loaded node being the one	eA 	that crashed.  If re-establishing connections are that importants/ 	and stateless (perhaps NFS via the example),   * 	you probably want to use a cluster alias:  7 http://www.process.com/techsupport/multinet/787/37.htmll  P > Furthermore, if you have oodles of short transactions (say:  a web server), doJ > I understand correctly and the above mechanism will NOT distribute thoseL > transactions to all nodes, but rather send them all to the least busy nodeM > (making that node the most busy, and other nodes very unused), and a minuteoO > later, will redirect traffic to a new node (making that one the most busy ande* > all other ones the least busy) etc etc ?    C 	Not least busy.  Least loaded.  That is an important difference ase= 	the least loaded node won't remain the least loaded node for 8 	long.   Dozens of way to skin this cat.  For Web, maybe 	you front-end it with Cisco:e  A http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/cxsr/400/tech/lobal_wp.htm1   				Rob0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:19:11 -0600a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>1& Subject: Re: Detecting a serial device' Message-ID: <3DD0813F.8B09FB47@fsi.net>r   Nic Clews wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:e > >,O > > Lets say I have a serial "gizmo". (be it a PDA, blood sugar metre etc) that:O > > needs to be plugged into the vax to record imformation from it from time tol, > > time. I have no control over the device. > >VQ > > Apart from leaving a process running 7/24 with a channel to that serial port,EN > > ready to "notice" the device, are there any other ways to deal with this ?B > > (these are actual TX ports on a Microvax, with modem control). > >dQ > > Does Alf require one pressing <return> to activate the ALF process that wouldmP > > auto-login to a password-less account whose login.com starts the application$ > > to record data from the device ? > > O > > Or could I configure it to auto-start an application as soon as some of thee0 > > modem signals on the RS232 line are raised ? > H > Isn't this the essence of how windoze works, it have some some form ofC > process monitoring signals which kicks in whatever application isdH > required. It also does a scan for 'new hardware' on startup for serialG > devices, and my phone manager has a taskbar icon which irritatingly IiF > don't appear to be able to switch off without either identifying theG > process and stopping it, or removing the startup call. I'm digressing  > into pet hates again...-  G Well, as I understand it, it would all depend on being able to issue anoG inquiry to the device and have it return a recognizable identification.oD Then, invoke an appropriate daemon processor to communicate with the device based on that ident.s   FWIW...t  G > However in summary, what's wrong with having a process monitoring theO
 > data lines?    That'd be my choice...   -- r David J. Dachterak dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:37:46 GMTp- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>o& Subject: Re: Detecting a serial device< Message-ID: <uA%z9.14755$6g.4760161@news1.news.adelphia.net>   JF Mezei wrote:   C > Lets say I have a serial "gizmo". (be it a PDA, blood sugar metretG > etc) that needs to be plugged into the vax to record imformation fromi: > it from time to time. I have no control over the device.  > What level of compliance to EIA signals does the device claim?  C > Apart from leaving a process running 7/24 with a channel to that ,E > serial port, ready to "notice" the device, are there any other wayseD > to deal with this ? (these are actual TX ports on a Microvax, with > modem control).e  E A device should be asserting it's DSR line when it is powered up and  D ready to communicate.  This should be wired to the DTR line on your  serial port.  C Your program can monitor the DTR line to detech when the device is e
 connected.  H Of course your program should issue the signals that the device expects.  G > Does Alf require one pressing  to activate the ALF process that wouldnD >  auto-login to a password-less account whose login.com starts the . > application to record data from the device ?  E I have not played with ALF.  I Prefer to use a detached process that  % owns the port.  It might work though.t  G > Or could I configure it to auto-start an application as soon as some t5 > of the modem signals on the RS232 line are raised ?o  < The only program that I know that OpenVMS will autostart is I LOGINOUT.EXE.  You would need your own program monitoring the port to do t something else.t   -Johnd wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyf   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:50:23 -0500n0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>& Subject: Re: Detecting a serial device/ Message-ID: <3DD09675.FD1C3D6D@vl.videotron.ca>    "John E. Malmberg" wrote:s@ > What level of compliance to EIA signals does the device claim?  M Well, I can always hardwire this. If VMS supplies DTR, I can wire DTR to comepK back as DCD  etc when the simple RS232 device is plugged in. The problem isdI that with VMS, simply raising DTR isn't enough to auto trigger something.-  D > Your program can monitor the DTR line to detech when the device is > connected.  N My wish would be to still allow normal interactive logins. If I have a programM that always has a channel assigned to the device, it really makes that devicea dedicated to one application.n  M Just seems like a waste to have a real RS232 port used only a few minutes pereL week and for the rest of the time, rendered unusable for other purposes, andA to have a process hanging out in memory for use only once a week.a    K With mobile computing etc, shouldn't VMS start to look at innovative use ofnL RS232 ports to trigger different applications when you plug in some "device" (PDA etc etc).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:16:45 -0500u From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net>4 Subject: Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995/ Message-ID: <ut0hv0piv3poe1@news.supernews.com>e  6 Until we sell them... basically first come first serve    G Look around and see if you can buy a base system anywhere for less thank $4000 (without memory or disk)   :0)    Davidu< "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3DCF23FE.4AA8D14A@fsi.net...e > ICUSC wrote: > >  > > Limited time only, >e > ...and the time limit is ...?s >  > > one per customer >rF > ...and we can expect to be able to offer these in quantity ... when? >s > > at special pricing >s > ...and that price is ... ? >h > > DS10 600Mhz EV67	 > > 512MBa > > CDROM and Floppy > > 9GB U2 SCSI Disk > > Ultra2 SCSI Controller > > Dual 10/100 Ethernet > > VX1 Oxygen 32MB Video PCIc > > Keyboard & 3 Button  Mouse > > VMS Base license >'H > No offense, but let's leave the hucksterism to the hucksters and stick > to business, shall we? >, > -- > David J. Dachteram > dba DJE Systemso > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:13:48 -0600b1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o4 Subject: Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995' Message-ID: <3DD07FFC.E88C363B@fsi.net>e  % winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:e > ] > In article <3DCF23FE.4AA8D14A@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:o > >ICUSC wrote:c > >> > >> Limited time only,n > >m  > >...and the time limit is ...? > # > (Probably until they're all sold)o > >e > >> one per customer" > >rG > >...and we can expect to be able to offer these in quantity ... when?d > >y > 4 > Fairly clearly, never, at least not at that price. >  > >> at special pricingo > >e > >...and that price is ... ?  >   > Mentioned in the subject line. >  > >e > >> DS10 600Mhz EV67s
 > >> 512MB > >> CDROM and Floppy  > >> 9GB U2 SCSI Disk  > >> Ultra2 SCSI Controllere > >> Dual 10/100 Etherneti > >> VX1 Oxygen 32MB Video PCI > >> Keyboard & 3 Button  Mouse  > >> VMS Base licensem > >AI > >No offense, but let's leave the hucksterism to the hucksters and stick  > >to business, shall we?o > O > I don't how much of Island's business is selling to resellers and how much touQ > end-users; I've only bought stuff from them as an end-user.  But for end-users,s+ > they're sticking pretty well to business.   D ...except for huckster-ish plugs like this. Sorry, but I've grown toA expect better from them. On the other hand, I'm no great judge ofm character, I'll admit.   -- e David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/R   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:16:32 -0600o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a4 Subject: Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995' Message-ID: <3DD080A0.187BA9CC@fsi.net>t   ICUSC wrote: > 8 > Until we sell them... basically first come first serve > I > Look around and see if you can buy a base system anywhere for less than-  > $4000 (without memory or disk)  D Well, no argument there, but we're looking to get these machines out9 into the market in mass quantities, and one-to-a-customer1# this-month-only ain't gonna cut it.>  1 "RIGHT! I'll boot up *ANY* Alpha for only $3995!"e - Burle Scribe   -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:47:42 -0800 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>4 Subject: Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995( Message-ID: <3DD095FE.F9C130EF@mist.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > ICUSC wrote: > > : > > Until we sell them... basically first come first serve > >hK > > Look around and see if you can buy a base system anywhere for less than," > > $4000 (without memory or disk) > F > Well, no argument there, but we're looking to get these machines out; > into the market in mass quantities, and one-to-a-customerg% > this-month-only ain't gonna cut it.o > 3 > "RIGHT! I'll boot up *ANY* Alpha for only $3995!"4 > - Burle Scribe >   : LOL!!  Reminds me of a Seattle TV ad where Cal Worthington% said "I'll paint any car for $99.95!"t   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 13:36:14 -0800# From: jcarl@paradigm-wa.com (Jason) " Subject: E10k administrator needed< Message-ID: <e1746a1.0211111336.6f23bd8b@posting.google.com>  ? Looking for someone for a 3-6mo contract in Seattle.  Must haverD current E10k skills with some experience with EMC and BMC.  Sorry no sponsorships at this time.  9 If interested please send resume to jcarl@paradigm-wa.comW   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:11:14 -0500e' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>.* Subject: Re: ES40 MINIMUM OPENVMS VERSION:= Message-ID: <igrpqa.nms.ln@cc49395-b.wodhvn01.mi.comcast.net>    Mark Bowman wrote:  H > Could someone tell me what is the lowest level of VMS that will run on > ES40?  > according to the quick specs:  > B > http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10392_na/10392_na.html >  > Its states OpenVMS 7.2-2.s > ? > However we have other ES40 is a VMScluster running 7.2-1. TheuG > Alphaserver todate has never crashed (120days) and has over 300 usersa% > on it, no problems have been found.n >  > Hp/Compaq don't have a clue.  H What is your ES40?  Not all ES40s are alike.  The ES40 mentioned in the L referenced web page is an EV68 833Mhz processor.  What processor is in your  ES40?t   Maybe HP has a clue.           Stuw   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:54:39 -0600l1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>u8 Subject: Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!!' Message-ID: <3DD07B7F.A4C289A0@fsi.net>c   Bob Koehler wrote: > ] > In article <3DCC8889.DBD89480@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:o > > Bob Koehler wrote: > >> [snip]-S > >> > l) Does OpenVMS will have a lexical like F$GETUAF to get users informations?  > >>) > >>    Major security hole?  I hope not!c > >dF > > Assuming it uses $GETUAI and is subject to the same contraints re:L > > privilege, how does that constitute a security hole? Remember: passwords1 > > are stored hashed, and cannot be unscrambled.  > E >    If done correctly it can be done with no security hole.  $GETUAI ) >    however, has an unfortunate history.o   Where can I read about it?   -- N David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:39:46 -060021 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c$ Subject: Re: FW: Origin <-Spam troll' Message-ID: <3DD08612.9DCB8AD5@fsi.net>j   Shane Smith wrote: > D > If anyone else on the group got this (since it's where he stole myF > address from), I'd say it's a spam troll. This exact text appears inG > several newsgroups, and he uses the address in his sig in others. NotlB > exactly hard to track down. He claims to be the moderator of theB > alt.os.windows-xp newsgroup, Real name John Burton. Based on his: > nickname and interests, looks like his home page is hereJ > http://www.geocities.com/kadaitcha_xp/, which would make his real e-mail) > address kadaitcha_xp@kadaitcha.cjb.net.w > J > Personally, I think I'm going to have a word with his real ISP. LeachingI > addresses from newsgroups is bad netiquette. Spamming them is a hangingl > offence in my book.   D I can picture the look on the priest's face upon hearing, "Bless me, father, for I have spammed."   -- m David J. Dachteraf dba DJE Systemsb http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:12:05 GMTn1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>i Subject: Happy Veteran's Day, Message-ID: <pHXz9.2213$V16.11142@rwcrnsc54>  $ To all U.S. veterans, enjoy the day!   cheers,r   terry sn   -- Terry C. Shannon+ Consultant and Publisher, Shannon Knows HPCe% Director at Large, Encompass US, Inc.y terryshannon@attbi.com http://www.openvms.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:53:25 -0600l& From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net>  Subject: Re: Happy Veteran's Day9 Message-ID: <3dd06d27$0$17644$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net>m  K I took the day off..... first time I've done that and I am a veteran as youh$ are Terry.  Hope you had  a fun day.   Dave...l  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message& news:pHXz9.2213$V16.11142@rwcrnsc54...& > To all U.S. veterans, enjoy the day! >t	 > cheers,o >e	 > terry sd >  > -- > Terry C. Shannon- > Consultant and Publisher, Shannon Knows HPC ' > Director at Large, Encompass US, Inc.s > terryshannon@attbi.com > http://www.openvms.org >, >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:43:10 GMTh From: jl50_us@yahoo.coms Subject: HELP DATA RECOVERY !!!r& Message-ID: <O0Zz9.22$%M2.632@testbox>  : I have four month of work saved on my desktop computer andE it collapes on the floor today. When I turn it on, I could not accessoD my data anymore, can anyone refer me a reputable data recovery shop,< I will fail all my courses if I could not recovery my files, I am in Massachusettsi Please help!!!     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:35:52 GMTn From: song_michael@hotmail.com# Subject: Re: HELP DATA RECOVERY !!!c* Message-ID: <YVYz9.1674$1O2.169@sccrnsc04>  ; >I have four month of work saved on my desktop computer andnF >it collapes on the floor today. When I turn it on, I could not accessE >my data anymore, can anyone refer me a reputable data recovery shop, = >I will fail all my courses if I could not recovery my files,  >I am in Massachusetts >Please help!!! P A couple of month ago, I had a situation similiar to yours, it was so disastrous% that i almost want to commit suicide, ? A friend of mine recommend me to Techfusion, www.techfusion.com-L They did an unbelievable job, all my data was recovered !!!. Their charge isg reasonable. I am still feel grateful work they have done, otherwise I won't be able to keep my job !!! .   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:50:43 +0000<2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org># Subject: Re: HELP DATA RECOVERY !!!i4 Message-ID: <20021112015043.B19850@eisenschmidt.org>  L Unless the Voices are Mistaken, jl50_us@yahoo.com (jl50_us@yahoo.com) Wrote:< > I have four month of work saved on my desktop computer andG > it collapes on the floor today. When I turn it on, I could not accessaF > my data anymore, can anyone refer me a reputable data recovery shop,> > I will fail all my courses if I could not recovery my files, > I am in Massachusettst > Please help!!!    - Was this a VMS machine, or is this off topic?t   Watch this:n  . http://www.google.com/search?q=data%20recovery  @ Amazing -- the first listing is none other than Ontrack. If yourF wallet can't tollerate a late night visit from them, there are quite a few others you can find there.  F Of course, "could not access my data" says nothing. I saved a coworker@ from a multi-thousand dollar ontrack visit with a copy of NortonC Utilites and a couple of hours of suffering (I was still smoking at4E the time -- I think it was a four cigarette fix) maybe two years ago.e@ On another occasion, I saved an employee at a certain governmentF agency (one which doesn't wait in line for funds, they get them a year. early) by doing a controller board transplant.  F If it's VMS, the filesystem should survive a traumatic event (like theB Field Engineer coming out last friday and hard downing your system@ seven times during volrebuilds and shadow merges). If it's Unix,A you'll find dd and fsck can be your friend (though not as much asDB logging mode or softdep), There are a host of things you can do toF revive a fat16/fat32/ntfs filesystem long enough to sign it's own DNR.E I've even resurrected a Mac HFS/HFS+ volume or two before. Unless thelC platter has been moshing with the drive arm, it shouldn't *need* to 0 take a FedEx vacation to a data recovery place.   A Oh, and to really pour salt in the wound: what have we learned???   F /me mirrors his harddrives at home, backs up to DAT at night, and uses0 cvs to implement version control all his files.    -- G/ John W. Eisenschmidt (jweisen@eisenschmidt.org)t.   http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/pgp.html  L "I'm curious to try [DB2] out, since Oracle is much more sinister than IBM."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:37:13 -0800b% From: "Bruce Taube" <taubed@saic.com>I. Subject: How to determine if a NIC is in use ?' Message-ID: <3dcfc15f$1@cpns1.saic.com>g   Hi,k  K Does anyone know of a Device characteristic that can be viewed to determinea if a NIC is in use ?  J So far I've tried DVI$_REFCNT and XM$M_STS_ACTIVE using DVI$_DEVDEPEND but can't seem to get anywhere.o  L The only other thing I can think of is the "Active Unit Count" which is partL of the SDA> show lan/dev=ewa.  I think that lists the total number of activeH protocols bound to the NIC.  I suppose if that was greater than 3 (alwysG seems to have two "DNAME" and one "LAST" clients), that would mean thatnI somthing is bound to it.  But what is the GETDVI item that corresponds to  the the "Active Unit Count" ?-   Thanks in advance,   Bruce9  2 P.S.  Please excuse me if this is the wrong group.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:03:11 GMT.  From: "Tom M" <kryios@attbi.com> Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site + Message-ID: <Pb_z9.2049$ME6.1292@rwcrnsc53>n  J A JDBC server/driver for RMS or C-ISAM attempts to make a group of indexedL files look like a database.  Real applications that use indexed files accessL files independently and merge them in the program logic (like in COBOL whereK indexed file access is natural and part of the language).  There is a wholecJ lot of plumbing required to serve a group of indexed files, make them lookK like a database (perform joins, etc), and perform anywhere near reasonably..  H From the description of the third party product, it appears that it doesF exactly that, works with indexed file systems on various platforms and? allows you to perform joins across platforms.  If you need thiseJ functionality, this product seems ideal.  Why would a layered product fromL HP be any better?  Is someone hoping that HP would bundle a DBMS with VMS atG no cost?  Unlikely, but if they are going to do that (again), there arel others I would prefer.      8 "David Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message% news:aqohvv$4ab$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...e5 > In article <2QFmukf231oe@eisner.encompasserve.org>,p/ koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:bG > >In article <3DCF7D09.2090901@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUKa Consultancy writes:c > >>3 > >> No another CF on your part, I complained aboutr  > >> the lack of a JDBC for RMS. > > E > >   Which is like asking for RMS support for your chocolate teapot. C > >   JDBC requires more than what RMS offers or intended to offer.r > >n >tD > It isn't often I agree with Andrew but if third-party Unix  C-ISAM productsH > can supply JDBC connectors then there definitely should be an RMS JDBC > connector. >nH > >   And why keep harping on RMS?  Why not AWT or Swing support for SMG' > >   or support for LIB, DLM, LRB, ...n >d > Why not indeed ?L > Java already provides a means for native C programs to interact with Java. >- > G > I note that Compaq/HP have a beta JAVA machinecode compiler for Tru64r >s >eL http://www.compaq.com/java/documentation/1.3.1/swift_unix/release_notes.html >3 > This states that > F > "Swift compiles class files or .jar files or methods containing java	 bytecodesvH > to highly optimized Alpha machine instructions that can be used by the fast > VM." >oL > Hopefully this will soon be ported to VMS which might overcome some of the# > perceived speed problems of Java.  >i >t > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >i >y > >3H > >   Oh, maybe because the JDK already has AWT and Swing support or theG > >   typical Java programmer wants to write code that will also run ons > >   eunichs and Windoze? > >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:19:34 -0500s0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?/ Message-ID: <3DD002C0.AECEB7E7@vl.videotron.ca>h  = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messagei1 > > We have good developers in Latin America too r  N South american si considered an unstable area, with wild currency fluctuationsM (generally downward), wild interest rates fluctuations etc etc.   India seemssM pretty stable compared to south america, even with the Kashmir reagion issue.   L India also has a more stable government that many south american countries.   M I think that perhaps there is a case of a few south american countries givingeD all of south america a bad reputation. But that is the image that is projected. Image is everything.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:20:31 -0800 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?( Message-ID: <3DD0110F.7DBC015C@mist.com>   Jerry Leslie wrote:s > ; >      http://trav-tech.com/cgi/testwww/config.pl?read=7297e, >      HP moving Tandem maintenance offshore > 1 >                 ``Tandem Jobs and Resumes Boardf > 9 >                   HP moving Tandem maintenance offshorey > < >                   Posted By: Anonymous <noone@nowhere.org>@ >                   Date: Tuesday, 29 October 2002, at 1:29 p.m. > C >      A friend and former co-worker, whom I trust and who is stillcH >      working at Tandem in Cupertino, told me that HP has just informedJ >      its Tandem employees that it will be moving most Tandem maintenanceH >      programming to India, and eliminating 170 positions in Cupertino.H >      (Just what we need, 170 *more* Tandem programmers on the market.) > G >      My source also reports that when asked what the Tandem customers F >      thought of this, a senior executive (who shall rename nameless) >      replied:o > 1 >      "We aren't going to tell the customers".''n  ; Hi Jerry.  It seems that economics are now turning toward af deflation cycle.9 Your information of migration to offshore stopgap methodso seem to confirm this.s   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Nov 02 22:19:23 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture):4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?) Message-ID: <ozJ5JwTA6lhE@elias.decus.ch>i  p In article <qXUz9.336192$121.9270456@twister.austin.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) writes:% > GreyCloud (cumulus@mist.com) wrote:m > : ? > : Hi Jerry.  It seems that economics are now turning toward ao > : deflation cycle.= > : Your information of migration to offshore stopgap methodsn > : seem to confirm this.M > :i > Hi Wayne,g > H > Steven Roach, Morgan Stanley's chief economist, mentions that the low H > cost of IT services in Asia could be a factor on the downward pressure > of the price of services:  > D >    http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/021023/economy_usa_morganstanley_2.html( >    Morgan Stanley: Deflation Risk High >  >  ``Reuters > ( >    Morgan Stanley: Deflation Risk High% >    Wednesday October 23, 6:40 am ET  >    - <snip>  & Is even hamburger flipping safe? From:  = http://www.siamfuture.com/asiannews/asiannewstxt.asp?aid=16820  G "Only a few years ago, Japan was infamous for having the most expensivepL hamburgers in the world. In 1995, when the yen was at its peak, a McDonald's" burger cost almost Dollars 3 each.  M But now McDonald's offers the very same hamburgers for Dollars 1 - a third of.C its peak price and one of the lowest hamburger prices in the world.m   ...   L But soaring sales of hamburgers have not, it appears, translated into higherK profits. In spite of total sales growing 7.7 per cent to Y183bn, McDonald'scK Japan recently reported a 10 per cent decline in pre-tax profits to Y12.6bnDF (Dollars 103m) for the first half of the year. Analysts suggested thatK operating profits have been unable to keep up with the company's aggressivea expansion program."t     -- h
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:03:13 -0500.' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>,4 Subject: RE: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D98BA@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Paul,e  D >>> But soaring sales of hamburgers have not, it appears, translatedD into higher profits. In spite of total sales growing 7.7 per cent toC Y183bn, McDonald's Japan recently reported a 10 per cent decline in3C pre-tax profits to Y12.6bn (Dollars 103m) for the first half of theh year.<<<  G I suspect that the lower costs of making their hamburgers in India werebB offset by the higher transportation costs of getting them to Japan before they got cold.y   :-)r   Regardsn  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)d       -----Original Message-----3 From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]=20e Sent: November 11, 2002 4:19 PMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?    < In article <qXUz9.336192$121.9270456@twister.austin.rr.com>,3 LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) writes:l% > GreyCloud (cumulus@mist.com) wrote:d > :i? > : Hi Jerry.  It seems that economics are now turning toward ao > : deflation cycle.= > : Your information of migration to offshore stopgap methodsi > : seem to confirm this.  > :c > Hi Wayne,c >=20G > Steven Roach, Morgan Stanley's chief economist, mentions that the loweH > cost of IT services in Asia could be a factor on the downward pressure > of the price of services:, >=20D >    http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/021023/economy_usa_morganstanley_2.html( >    Morgan Stanley: Deflation Risk High >=20 >  ``Reuters >=20( >    Morgan Stanley: Deflation Risk High% >    Wednesday October 23, 6:40 am ETp >   =20l <snip>  & Is even hamburger flipping safe? From:  ? http://www.siamfuture.com/asiannews/asiannewstxt.asp?aid=3D1682a  G "Only a few years ago, Japan was infamous for having the most expensiveaA hamburgers in the world. In 1995, when the yen was at its peak, a2- McDonald's burger cost almost Dollars 3 each.o  D But now McDonald's offers the very same hamburgers for Dollars 1 - aE third of its peak price and one of the lowest hamburger prices in they world.   ..  E But soaring sales of hamburgers have not, it appears, translated intoYG higher profits. In spite of total sales growing 7.7 per cent to Y183bn,cC McDonald's Japan recently reported a 10 per cent decline in pre-tax A profits to Y12.6bn (Dollars 103m) for the first half of the year.=E Analysts suggested that operating profits have been unable to keep upy1 with the company's aggressive expansion program."s     --=20e
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:41:54 -0800r" From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?( Message-ID: <3DD094A2.F5D0C1DD@mist.com>   Paul Sture wrote:X > r > In article <qXUz9.336192$121.9270456@twister.austin.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) writes:' > > GreyCloud (cumulus@mist.com) wrote:  > > :eA > > : Hi Jerry.  It seems that economics are now turning toward an > > : deflation cycle.? > > : Your information of migration to offshore stopgap methods1 > > : seem to confirm this.. > > : 
 > > Hi Wayne,p > > I > > Steven Roach, Morgan Stanley's chief economist, mentions that the lownJ > > cost of IT services in Asia could be a factor on the downward pressure > > of the price of services:s > >.F > >    http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/021023/economy_usa_morganstanley_2.html* > >    Morgan Stanley: Deflation Risk High > >o > >  ``Reuters > > * > >    Morgan Stanley: Deflation Risk High' > >    Wednesday October 23, 6:40 am ET  > >. > <snip> > ( > Is even hamburger flipping safe? From: > ? > http://www.siamfuture.com/asiannews/asiannewstxt.asp?aid=1682r > I > "Only a few years ago, Japan was infamous for having the most expensive N > hamburgers in the world. In 1995, when the yen was at its peak, a McDonald's$ > burger cost almost Dollars 3 each. > O > But now McDonald's offers the very same hamburgers for Dollars 1 - a third ofaE > its peak price and one of the lowest hamburger prices in the world.o >  > ...M > N > But soaring sales of hamburgers have not, it appears, translated into higherM > profits. In spite of total sales growing 7.7 per cent to Y183bn, McDonald'suM > Japan recently reported a 10 per cent decline in pre-tax profits to Y12.6bn H > (Dollars 103m) for the first half of the year. Analysts suggested thatM > operating profits have been unable to keep up with the company's aggressive- > expansion program."- >   ; Now, if only the new cars prices would drop.  I still thinkr* that new cars are overly inflated in cost.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Nov 02 22:08:32 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)d; Subject: Re: Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/Plus:) Message-ID: <RjjW8mUyn7+W@elias.decus.ch>   f In article <HKUz9.235750$aa2.3232095@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:W > In article <EdCbs1M9dpu7@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:uJ >>This weekend our network people did some "network testing", during whichD >>we switched our workstations and printers off (we left our cluster >>servers running).  >>L >>By this morning, the server operator logs had grown to over 200,000 blocksD >>each, due to MOP load failures (unrecognized client), ticking awayL >>since early Saturday evening. I can only assume that something was changed >>as a result of the tests.o >>F >>So, does anyone know of a way using DECnet/Plus to get any more info) >>on the source of the MOP load requests?r >>E >>The servers are running Alpha V7.3-1 and the version of DECnet/Plusb >>which comes with that. > $ > The "unrecognized client" message  > E > a) includes a Mac.Add which can be used to identify the client (iff > > 	you have a list of all the used Mac.Add in your company ;-) >   A Sorry, forgot to mention that I do have the MAC address. The listm> is a little more tricky, the tool I know about doesn't provide that as an index :-(  r > b) can be turned off > D > eg.	$ NCL BLO EVE DIS OUT STR * GLOB FIL ((NOD,MOP,CIR), Unr L Cl) >   I Thanks, that should sort out the immediate symptom of unwieldy log files.r3 It's probably time to lob this at the network guys.i   -- a
 Paul Sture Switzerlandg   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:50:47 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER); Subject: Re: Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/Plus 5 Message-ID: <HKUz9.235750$aa2.3232095@news.chello.at>k  U In article <EdCbs1M9dpu7@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:/I >This weekend our network people did some "network testing", during which-C >we switched our workstations and printers off (we left our cluster  >servers running). >mK >By this morning, the server operator logs had grown to over 200,000 blocks9C >each, due to MOP load failures (unrecognized client), ticking away K >since early Saturday evening. I can only assume that something was changed  >as a result of the tests. >eE >So, does anyone know of a way using DECnet/Plus to get any more infoo( >on the source of the MOP load requests? >lD >The servers are running Alpha V7.3-1 and the version of DECnet/Plus >which comes with that.e  " The "unrecognized client" message   C a) includes a Mac.Add which can be used to identify the client (iffc< 	you have a list of all the used Mac.Add in your company ;-)   b) can be turned off  B eg.	$ NCL BLO EVE DIS OUT STR * GLOB FIL ((NOD,MOP,CIR), Unr L Cl)   -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERc% Network and OpenVMS system specialistr E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:25:02 -0600i4 From: "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> Subject: Image on a NT systemaN Message-ID: <241D02BFAC149A4C9CD9B1EC86A1661B089EEB@BP1CLVEX001.bp1.ad.bp.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ; ------=_NextPartTM-000-cbf9ce0b-f5a7-11d6-b78b-0002a58abbf5l$ Content-Type: multipart/alternative;1 	boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C289B8.081970FC"d  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C289B8.081970FCo Content-Type: text/plain;u 	charset="iso-8859-1"i   Hello Everyone  oD I have a site that prints an image off an NT system. The image is an invoice.  eF Does anyone have any idea how I can take the image that prints on a NT1 system and have the same image print on an Alpha.y  oL My thinking is that the NT site needs to scan the document in some type of a+ format the Alpha (OpenVMS) will understand.t4 I then take the image and FTP to my system as ASCII.7 The big question in my mind:  What format do they use ?   h Hmmmmmmb  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C289B8.081970FCt Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"6  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">    < <META content="MSHTML 5.00.3502.4373" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>1 <BODY style="COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">v7 <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002>Hello   Everyone</SPAN></FONT></DIV>K <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>dN <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002>I have a site that prints an D image off an NT system. The image is an invoice.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>K <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>hQ <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002>Does anyone have any idea how I eO can take the image that prints on a NT system and have the same image print on o an Alpha.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>dK <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>sQ <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002>My thinking is that the NT site  M needs to scan the document in some type of a format the Alpha (OpenVMS) will I understand.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> O <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002>I then take the image and FTP t* to my system as ASCII.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>H <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002>The big question in my 9 mind:&nbsp; What format do they use ?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>YK <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=023021119-11112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN B class=023021119-11112002>Hmmmmmm</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>  ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C289B8.081970FC--M  = ------=_NextPartTM-000-cbf9ce0b-f5a7-11d6-b78b-0002a58abbf5--s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:24:03 -0500M- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> ! Subject: Re: Image on a NT system 5 Message-ID: <aqp3lh$c0bqb$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>,  ? "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> wrote in messagevH news:241D02BFAC149A4C9CD9B1EC86A1661B089EEB@BP1CLVEX001.bp1.ad.bp.com... >...H > Does anyone have any idea how I can take the image that prints on a NT3 > system and have the same image print on an Alpha.  >lL > My thinking is that the NT site needs to scan the document in some type of a format& > the Alpha (OpenVMS) will understand. >...  I Isn't this the third or fourth time you asked this question over the lastvD month or so? Keep trying until someone gives you an answer you like?  H VMS is not really involved here, you need a format that the printer willJ understand. Postscript is probably the answer, but it may not be dependingK on what you have. DCPS may also be part of the answer depending on what your have.e  I Hire someone who understands Postscript (or PCL or SIXEL or whatever your-H printer understands) to create the form in whatever language you want toJ program in. There are people who hang out C.O.V. who could do this for youL and who are looking for some contract work. Get someone to give you a budgetL big enough to bring on someone for a week and you should be able to get this solved.r   P.S.8 Please do not post in HTML, plain text is so much nicer.   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:48:26 -0600o4 From: "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com>! Subject: RE: Image on a NT system.N Message-ID: <241D02BFAC149A4C9CD9B1EC86A1661B089EED@BP1CLVEX001.bp1.ad.bp.com>   Peter   B No this is not the third of fourth time I am asking this question.  9 I am aware VMS is not involved and DCPS is not an option.cJ If I was to use DCPS, I would need a dedicated printer.  But I want people+ in diff. locations to print the same image.   I The printers are postscript printers and no I cannot hire a contractor toi create a PS file for me to use.:H This is why I am posting this request.  I am attempting to find a way to accomplish this issue.  H I do understand your opinions are your own, my recommendation is to keep your opinion to yourself.i  , This is a technical site not a opinion site.       -----Original Message-----2 From: Peter Weaver [mailto:peter.weaver@stelco.ca]' Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:24 PM. To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! Subject: Re: Image on a NT systemt    ? "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> wrote in messagenH news:241D02BFAC149A4C9CD9B1EC86A1661B089EEB@BP1CLVEX001.bp1.ad.bp.com... >...H > Does anyone have any idea how I can take the image that prints on a NT3 > system and have the same image print on an Alpha.a >pL > My thinking is that the NT site needs to scan the document in some type of a format& > the Alpha (OpenVMS) will understand. >...  I Isn't this the third or fourth time you asked this question over the lasteD month or so? Keep trying until someone gives you an answer you like?  H VMS is not really involved here, you need a format that the printer willJ understand. Postscript is probably the answer, but it may not be dependingK on what you have. DCPS may also be part of the answer depending on what you  have.   I Hire someone who understands Postscript (or PCL or SIXEL or whatever yourfH printer understands) to create the form in whatever language you want toJ program in. There are people who hang out C.O.V. who could do this for youL and who are looking for some contract work. Get someone to give you a budgetL big enough to bring on someone for a week and you should be able to get this solved.a   P.S.8 Please do not post in HTML, plain text is so much nicer.   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:42:30 GMTl" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG! Subject: Re: Image on a NT systemf0 Message-ID: <00A16D19.08CE7100@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <241D02BFAC149A4C9CD9B1EC86A1661B089EEB@BP1CLVEX001.bp1.ad.bp.com>, "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> writes:iK >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand = >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.- > < >------=_NextPartTM-000-cbf9ce0b-f5a7-11d6-b78b-0002a58abbf5% >Content-Type: multipart/alternative;g2 >	boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C289B8.081970FC" >-( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C289B8.081970FC >Content-Type: text/plain; >	charset="iso-8859-1" >j >Hello EveryoneM   TURN OFF MIME!    E >I have a site that prints an image off an NT system. The image is ana	 >invoice.  > G >Does anyone have any idea how I can take the image that prints on a NTs2 >system and have the same image print on an Alpha. > M >My thinking is that the NT site needs to scan the document in some type of al, >format the Alpha (OpenVMS) will understand.5 >I then take the image and FTP to my system as ASCII.s8 >The big question in my mind:  What format do they use ?  H Same question here.  Perhaps if you tell us what format is used for thisH "image" on the PeeCee a solution to get it to VMS and printed therefrom  could be offered you.r   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr            a5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:42:55 -0500o0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: Image on a NT system / Message-ID: <3DD04E73.6D1E5F44@vl.videotron.ca>i   "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" wrote:lK > The printers are postscript printers and no I cannot hire a contractor to ! > create a PS file for me to use.0J > This is why I am posting this request.  I am attempting to find a way to > accomplish this issue.   Ok.   I You say it is currently being done on yoru windows boxes. What exactly is N being done, using what software ? And what is the format of the image ? (jpeg,' gif, proprietary windwos BMP etc etc) ?/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:17:14 GMTt" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG! Subject: RE: Image on a NT systemn0 Message-ID: <00A16D2E.A725915B@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <241D02BFAC149A4C9CD9B1EC86A1661B089EED@BP1CLVEX001.bp1.ad.bp.com>, "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> writes:? >Peter >SC >No this is not the third of fourth time I am asking this question.  >8: >I am aware VMS is not involved and DCPS is not an option.K >If I was to use DCPS, I would need a dedicated printer.  But I want people    Why?    , >in diff. locations to print the same image. >dJ >The printers are postscript printers and no I cannot hire a contractor to  >create a PS file for me to use.  G Then create one yourself if that is the issue.  You could ease the pain.G of asking here if you'd provide some further information such as formate of the existing image!!!    I >This is why I am posting this request.  I am attempting to find a way tos >accomplish this issue.e  * Then please provide the information asked.    I >I do understand your opinions are your own, my recommendation is to keepd >your opinion to yourself. >h- >This is a technical site not a opinion site.,  & This is not a site, it is a newsgroup.  & It is far from technical these days.    B Opinions are like noses -- everybody has one and they all smell.    I Nobody has asked you to keep your "nose" out of here, so don't ask others/ to suppress their opinions.l   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:29:28 GMT < From: "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>! Subject: Re: Image on a NT system 3 Message-ID: <s3Xz9.68$313.2625553@news.cpqcorp.net>m   Lucas, Edward A (SAIC) wrote:s > Peterx > D > No this is not the third of fourth time I am asking this question.  H This topic has come up before, I have not kept track of by it by poster  though.l  ; > I am aware VMS is not involved and DCPS is not an option. L > If I was to use DCPS, I would need a dedicated printer.  But I want people- > in diff. locations to print the same image.a  G DCPS does not require a dedicated printer.  It only requires that when hC it sends a PostScript command at the start of a print job that the   printer responds approprietly.  G The major advantage of DCPS had for me is that it takes care of making  H sure that other print jobs do not interfere with the printers settings, & and that it provides some translators.  K > The printers are postscript printers and no I cannot hire a contractor to:! > create a PS file for me to use.   G The only thing that makes this complex is if you want to use the image r2 inside of an OpenVMS print job with other content.   If so:  F The model of the printer may be critical to the solution that is best  for you.  G Some printers have the ability to print an image to local storage, and a7 then a postscript document can pull this up on request.E  H But this does not seem to be what you are asking, so I will not go into  more detail on that.  J > This is why I am posting this request.  I am attempting to find a way to > accomplish this issue.   <snip>  G >Does anyone have any idea how I can take the image that prints on a NTt2 >system and have the same image print on an Alpha.  E If it is the same model of printer, then either a PRINT command to a rH queue connected to a PostScript Printer, or a Copy command can be used, ! once you get the file on OpenVMS.S  F When printing graphics to a printer, make sure that you set up a form H that does not truncate the data at the end of the line, or have margins I set.  And if you are using a serial port it is set to /NOWRAP, /PASSTHRU v proably would not hurt.-  L Otherwise it may modify your output so that what you get is garbage printed.  K >My thinking is that the NT site needs to scan the document in some type ofo. >a format the Alpha (OpenVMS) will understand.  F Set your printer on the NT application to the PostScript printer that 3 most closely matches the one on the OpenVMS system.a  8 Then select the print to file option for that print job.  I You now have a PostScript Print image that you should be able to send to  E any PostScript printer on any OpenVMS or UNIX like platform by using  + that platform's standard printing commands.H  > By the way, as long as the printers support the same graphics F instruction set, you can substitue PCL or other format for PostScript.  E The normal OpenVMS print queues just pass the data through.  A print aH form or terminal/printer setting may modify what the printer thinks are H text lines as mentioned above, but they really do not care what you are  pushing through.     -Johne! malmberg.dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hpm   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Nov 2002 20:22:24 GMT& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>@ Subject: Re: Intel Conceding 64-Bit Desktops to IBM, AMD - eWeek* Message-ID: <aqp3i0$5hr$7@web1.cup.hp.com>  P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >> <excerpt> >>  SCALABILITY- >> -: >>  Feature: Support for multiple boards within a domain.  >> rE >>  Function: The Sun Crypto Accelerator 1000 board is able to handleAG >>  over 4300 operations per second with 16 CPUs, and it is scalable ton3 >>  four boards on applicable Sun Fire[tm] servers._ >> h
 >> </excerpt>  >> aI >> Of course, it does not say what manner or cost of 16 CPUs are requiredeG >> to get those 4300 operations per second with the card - if they werecC >> the 750 MHz, 900s, or 1.015s. Nor the "flavor" of SSL operations  >> measured. >> l  > > You don't need a 16 way Sun to drive the Crypto or 4 cryptos > for that matter.  @ How many CPUs are needed then to drive a Crypto 1000 or 4 Crypto 1000s? And with what workload?  D Seems then that Sun's website needs to be updated because that "ableE to handle over 4300 operations per second with 16 CPUs" statement waseB pretty explicit about using 16 CPUs even in its content-free state& (wrt the conditions of the benchmark).  = > You might need a 16 server to drive all of your web trafficl= > though my preference would be smaller V series servers like4 > the 120, 280 or 480.  D All the online verbiage about the Crypto 1000 seems to be discussing web traffic.  @ > The reasons why you may need more general purpose CPU's are or > should be obvious:  A > Firstly most sites are not entirely SSL in fact the majority of  > pages arn't encrypted.  ? > Secondly CGI, Perl or JSP/ASP processing is also a fairly bigtF > resource hit on many sites hence the need for general purpose CPU's.  A Were those 4300 operations per second requiring 16 CPUs includingrE non-SSL stuff and/or doing CGI, Perl or JSP/ASP?  The public stuff ontB Sun's website has said virtually _nothing_ about the conditions of: that benchmark - keys, sizes, application... At least withB SPECweb99_SSL or even SSLperf one has a good idea of what is being measured...   
 rick jones -- n= denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, rebirth...hC                                      where do you want to be today?mF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:34:55 -0500/( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye , Message-ID: <3DD0227F.9060200@tsoft-inc.com>  L Gee!  I wonder who will now provide Bob with his $1000 Itanium systems?  :-)   Dave     Alan Greig wrote:e  ; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2002/021111b.htmly > / > HP Announces Departure of Michael D. Capellasd > # > PALO ALTO, Calif., Nov. 11, 2002 oR > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Q > HP (NYSE:HPQ) today announced that Michael D. Capellas will be leaving his postiM > as president of the company and as a member of the HP board of directors too$ > pursue other career opportunities. > Q > "We've reached a natural transition point. Michael made a commitment to see thecL > merger through, and now thanks to the hard work of the entire team, we areN > meeting or exceeding all of our integration targets," said Carly Fiorina, HP' > chairman and chief executive officer.  > R > "Michael and I have been friends and peers since long before the merger. I fullyO > support this decision and appreciate the dedication and passion he brought tosN > our joint endeavor. On behalf of the board, management team and employees, IH > want to thank Michael for his many contributions to HP," said Fiorina. > P > "I am proud to have been associated with this company and believe -- as I haveH > from the beginning -- that HP is redefining the information technologyM > landscape," said Capellas. "I'm comfortable making this move because of theuK > progress of the integration, HP's market momentum and the strength of the R > management team. I have tremendous respect for Carly and her leadership. I couldM > not be more proud of our accomplishments and I have every confidence in ther! > future success of the company."e > P > The president's position will not be replaced. The operating executives of theR > company who previously reported to Capellas will now report directly to Fiorina. >  >  n >    >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:19:52 GMTh1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>"/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyes9 Message-ID: <IOXz9.1258$yA6.67@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>1  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee( news:3DCFF8D2.4831CD5@vl.videotron.ca...( > Alan Greig quoted an HP press release:K > > "We've reached a natural transition point. Michael made a commitment toe see the  > > merger through,B >oL > Funny. I seem to recall that prior to May 7th, Curly and Carly were set toL > have a long term relationship since they were so compatible and spend many1 > years building HP into a formidable enterprise.i >h> > But now, they admit that Curly stayed only for a few months. > 2 > > The president's position will not be replaced. >nH > In essence, Curly was given an office/secretary and told to look for a job.  H That very well could be. Ken Olsen used to do the same thing. Perhaps MCL wanted to be the Big Dog, not a sidekick. Whatever, had it been me, I'd haveG looked a little longer and harder for a job that MC apparently did. ;-}e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:24:45 -0500t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyea/ Message-ID: <3DD0583F.C1568D8F@vl.videotron.ca>n   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:eJ > That very well could be. Ken Olsen used to do the same thing. Perhaps MCN > wanted to be the Big Dog, not a sidekick. Whatever, had it been me, I'd haveI > looked a little longer and harder for a job that MC apparently did. ;-}y    B I personally think that Curly is lucky to have found another job.   M Remember that he didn't earn his nomination to Compaq. Nobody else wanted thesL job and they just gave it to the accountant that had been the caretaker. AndJ then he lacked vision etc etc and was responsible for Compaq's demise. Not, exactly CEO material if you want my opinion.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:01:13 GMTb From: "McEagle" <spam@spam.com>m/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyer= Message-ID: <Z9_z9.117784$fa.2213388@twister.tampabay.rr.com>t   Good riddance to bad rubbish.c   Mike  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3DD0583F.C1568D8F@vl.videotron.ca...o > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:sL > > That very well could be. Ken Olsen used to do the same thing. Perhaps MCK > > wanted to be the Big Dog, not a sidekick. Whatever, had it been me, I'd  haveK > > looked a little longer and harder for a job that MC apparently did. ;-}i >e >aC > I personally think that Curly is lucky to have found another job.- > K > Remember that he didn't earn his nomination to Compaq. Nobody else wanted  thecJ > job and they just gave it to the accountant that had been the caretaker. AndsL > then he lacked vision etc etc and was responsible for Compaq's demise. Not. > exactly CEO material if you want my opinion. >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:52:45 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyeA2 Message-ID: <ChOdnU_aspWV5k2gXTWc3g@metrocast.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagen) news:3DD0583F.C1568D8F@vl.videotron.ca...  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:dL > > That very well could be. Ken Olsen used to do the same thing. Perhaps MCK > > wanted to be the Big Dog, not a sidekick. Whatever, had it been me, I'd, haveK > > looked a little longer and harder for a job that MC apparently did. ;-}  >d >pC > I personally think that Curly is lucky to have found another job.e >sK > Remember that he didn't earn his nomination to Compaq. Nobody else wantedh thelJ > job and they just gave it to the accountant that had been the caretaker. AndtL > then he lacked vision etc etc and was responsible for Compaq's demise. Not. > exactly CEO material if you want my opinion.  J Curly doesn't seem to be in very bad odor in the financial community:  theK commentary I heard tonight focused on how much he had to be bribed to go toSJ WorldCom, given that he had a solid position at HP, and how much investors. had pummeled HP on finding out he was leaving.  L It appears that the idea that a CEO's worth actually be measured in some way, by performance has completely lost traction.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:21:27 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyer' Message-ID: <3DD081C7.A45847D6@fsi.net>n   David Froble wrote:s > N > Gee!  I wonder who will now provide Bob with his $1000 Itanium systems?  :-)  H Perhaps someone with integrity, insight and ... no, better shutup there.   -- a David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:38:56 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye1/ Message-ID: <3DD093C8.55569DA4@vl.videotron.ca>   K As far as Curly, the guy was lucky and won the lottery when he accepted thew Compaq job nobody wanted:s   From Dow jones:t  J Mr. Capellas is eligible for at least $14.5 million in severance and otherH payments, according to filings made later Monday with the Securities andI Exchange Commission. His separation from H-P and any related payments arepI governed by his Compaq employment agreement, which was assumed by H-P andp4 still is effective, according to an H-P spokeswoman.  N  According to documents H-P included in the quarterly report it filed in June,M Mr. Capellas signed a  three-year employment agreement with Compaq in OctobereN 2000 and amended the agreement last  November, around the same time former H-PM director Walter Hewlett announced plans to launch a proxy battle to block the2N deal. The amendment to Mr. Capellas' employment agreement extended to one yearI from 90 days the period during which he could resign after the merger and5 still receive severance.  J   The amended deal provides him with a lump-sum severance payment equal toL three times the sum of his base salary and target annual bonus. Mr. CapellasL earned a salary of $1.6 million in his last  full fiscal year at Compaq, wasG eligible for a bonus up to $3.2 million and is eligible for a $100,000 hL payment when he signs a release of claims, suggesting a severance payment of at least $14.5 million.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:55:01 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>t/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyeg5 Message-ID: <3DD097B4.49EE170D@swissonline.delete.ch>-  8 He should have worked in Sales; he's clearly good at it.  G Selling so little competence for so much money ($14.5 million mentioned[1 here and close to $20 million in another report).1  E And if/when Worldcom calls it a day and closes up shop, Capellas willeG probably walk away with a bonus there too. And what's more, no-one willr# blame him when Worldcom shuts down.O  F What staggered me as that HP's stockprice actually dropped.  I thoughtF it would have risen sharply.  Perhaps he had spent time selling his onB brand of competence to the market analysts ... those guys that few people still trust.      John McLeanh           JF Mezei wrote:= > M > As far as Curly, the guy was lucky and won the lottery when he accepted thet > Compaq job nobody wanted:  >  > From Dow jones:w > L > Mr. Capellas is eligible for at least $14.5 million in severance and otherJ > payments, according to filings made later Monday with the Securities andK > Exchange Commission. His separation from H-P and any related payments areWK > governed by his Compaq employment agreement, which was assumed by H-P andi6 > still is effective, according to an H-P spokeswoman. > P >  According to documents H-P included in the quarterly report it filed in June,O > Mr. Capellas signed a  three-year employment agreement with Compaq in October P > 2000 and amended the agreement last  November, around the same time former H-PO > director Walter Hewlett announced plans to launch a proxy battle to block thelP > deal. The amendment to Mr. Capellas' employment agreement extended to one yearK > from 90 days the period during which he could resign after the merger and  > still receive severance. > L >   The amended deal provides him with a lump-sum severance payment equal toN > three times the sum of his base salary and target annual bonus. Mr. CapellasN > earned a salary of $1.6 million in his last  full fiscal year at Compaq, wasH > eligible for a bonus up to $3.2 million and is eligible for a $100,000N > payment when he signs a release of claims, suggesting a severance payment of > at least $14.5 million.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:45:15 -08001" From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyer( Message-ID: <3DD0956B.E8343300@mist.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > ? > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messager+ > news:3DD0583F.C1568D8F@vl.videotron.ca...t > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:.N > > > That very well could be. Ken Olsen used to do the same thing. Perhaps MCM > > > wanted to be the Big Dog, not a sidekick. Whatever, had it been me, I'dy > haveM > > > looked a little longer and harder for a job that MC apparently did. ;-}f > >  > >eE > > I personally think that Curly is lucky to have found another job./ > >aM > > Remember that he didn't earn his nomination to Compaq. Nobody else wanteda > thesL > > job and they just gave it to the accountant that had been the caretaker. > And N > > then he lacked vision etc etc and was responsible for Compaq's demise. Not0 > > exactly CEO material if you want my opinion. > L > Curly doesn't seem to be in very bad odor in the financial community:  theM > commentary I heard tonight focused on how much he had to be bribed to go toeL > WorldCom, given that he had a solid position at HP, and how much investors0 > had pummeled HP on finding out he was leaving. > N > It appears that the idea that a CEO's worth actually be measured in some way. > by performance has completely lost traction. >   9 Sounds like what DOD had to do to get rid of someone theyr< don't want working for them anymore... give the individual a! glowing report to another agency.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:34:21 -050010 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyet/ Message-ID: <3DD0A0C1.C7A267BF@vl.videotron.ca>s   GreyCloud wrote:; > Sounds like what DOD had to do to get rid of someone theyr> > don't want working for them anymore... give the individual a# > glowing report to another agency.0  L On a business news programme in Canada tonight, one "analyst" clearly blamedN the drop of HP stock on the loss of half of HP's brains, stating that CapellasF was a very valuable. Amazing how easily "analysts" can be brainwashed.  H I guess if they look only at the numbers, if Capellas got in just as theK merger with digital was startting to resolve itself, the numbers would showpK that under him, things improved, but it could very well be that the digitalsK merger was actually solved by Pfeiffer (but he wasn't given enough time foro the results to show up).  M I cannot understand why ANYONE would think of Capellas as a high profile CEO.nL He has no charisma, no "presence", no vision and has clearly run Compaq into1 the ground, squandering its most valuable assets.s  M Just compare pictures in the various publications and you'll see how dramatic H a difference there was between Carly and Curly. I may not agree with her: phisolophies, but Carly has the PR presence and charisma.   L When you have such a high salary, you can afford a professional photographerL as Carly obviously did. Capellas looks like he went to those shopping centreK automated photo booths to get his pictures taken during lunch time on a hoth muggy summer day..   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:19:58 -0000 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>/ Subject: Re: Looking for contract opportunitiesF5 Message-ID: <aqp0e0$c3rdg$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   A Snap... (just catching up on old news, I got 14,000+ posts when I  subscribed!)  H HP are just making me redundant. Looking for any valid source of income.  25 years with Digital/Compaq/HP.C Been supporting VMS at the internals level since 1985, mainly crash)	 analysis.RF Also worked on PDP, VAX and Alpha hardware, mainly Alpha since 1992... Based near Portsmouth, UK.F Telecommuting a speciality (last 4 years working from home!) and couldI travel almost anywhere worldwide for short term contracts if the money isk right.3 Relocation a possibility for the right opportunity.r  ; Those who know me may choose to comment on my capabilities.h   --
 John Travell,r john@travell.uk.neto http://www.travell.uk.net/    5 "Don Sykes" <annonymous@pacbell.net> wrote in messagei% news:3DC02681.A136D80C@pacbell.net.... >c > Welcome to the club. >n > TR wrote:  > > J > > Forgive me if this post is inappropriate in this newsgroup...I am just trying everything Io > > can think of.  > >O@ > > I'll be blunt about this. I have 19 years of experience with VMS/OpenVMS, yet opportunitiesJ > > for contract work are fading fast. I am looking for any leads that may lead to contract work,6 > > preferably programming. Duration is not important. > >dL > > I am looking for VMS opportunities in Canada. Actually, I'm just looking for one....notH > > greedy here :) I am not opposed to a finder's fee, if that's what it takes. TelecommutingI > > opportunities, in the US, Canada, or anywhere else in the world, will  also be appreciated.< > > Unfortunately, extensive travel is not an option for me. > > H > > If you have any info, a lead, or might be interested in my services, then please email me ats" > > if-or@cogeco.ca for my resume. >D >E > -- >0 > Have VMS. Will Travel. > Wire Paladin (@alphase.com)M > San Franciscoo     ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 31/10/2002u   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:02:00 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingc0 Message-ID: <00A16D45.AB6AB173@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <hAWz9.60083$MGm1.59010@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:a
 >{...snip...}a >rK >Part of the lower sales is that what McDonald's sells isn't necessarily askJ >healthy to eat as other 'fast' foods priced at the same levels. Consumers >are smartening up to this.e >aI >Also, McDonald's absolute profitability is now being driven by issues ofnJ >market saturation, in that they can't simply build new locations in areasI >that ensure a steady stream of customers and profits.  Their competitors H >have gotten smart along the way too, and have acquired prime locations.K >Besides, can you really eat burgers 7 days/week? The novelty has worn off.   I I had never eaten at a McD's until I attended college.  A gang took me to=J a McD's establishment one evening.  Last time I've ever eaten at McD's.  II might be able to eat a hamburger 7 days/week but not that item marketted   as a hamburger by McD's inc.  E BTW, what *is* that brown discus shaped stuff between the soggy buns?I   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMF            D5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" /   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:56:13 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e Subject: OT: Hamburger FlippingsI Message-ID: <hAWz9.60083$MGm1.59010@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>V  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:ozJ5JwTA6lhE@elias.decus.ch...A >l( > Is even hamburger flipping safe? From: >e? > http://www.siamfuture.com/asiannews/asiannewstxt.asp?aid=1682h >lI > "Only a few years ago, Japan was infamous for having the most expensiveSC > hamburgers in the world. In 1995, when the yen was at its peak, ay
 McDonald's$ > burger cost almost Dollars 3 each. >>L > But now McDonald's offers the very same hamburgers for Dollars 1 - a third ofE > its peak price and one of the lowest hamburger prices in the world.1 >1 > ...< >AG > But soaring sales of hamburgers have not, it appears, translated into2 higherB > profits. In spite of total sales growing 7.7 per cent to Y183bn,
 McDonald'sE > Japan recently reported a 10 per cent decline in pre-tax profits to- Y12.6bn-H > (Dollars 103m) for the first half of the year. Analysts suggested thatB > operating profits have been unable to keep up with the company's
 aggressive > expansion program."1  J Part of the lower sales is that what McDonald's sells isn't necessarily asI healthy to eat as other 'fast' foods priced at the same levels. Consumersd are smartening up to this.  H Also, McDonald's absolute profitability is now being driven by issues ofI market saturation, in that they can't simply build new locations in areassH that ensure a steady stream of customers and profits.  Their competitorsG have gotten smart along the way too, and have acquired prime locations.sJ Besides, can you really eat burgers 7 days/week? The novelty has worn off.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:37:16 -0800o$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com># Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger Flippingb0 Message-ID: <01C289A9.057FB8D0@sulfer.icius.com>  F Truth. Growing up in England I didn't even /see/ a McD's until the midH 80's. I used to go to a chain called Wimpy's. Hand grilled, buns toasted> dark with a hairline of burn on the edge, everything tasted ofD something. When I tried McD's and found the only taste came from theE "special sauce" I was incredibly disappointed. I actually thought thev meat had gone off.  B Damn. Now I'm all nostalgic for the Wimpy stand that used to be in Stafford town square.l   Shaneo   -----Original Message-----B From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG]' Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:02 PMt To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping-    
 In articleD <hAWz9.60083$MGm1.59010@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:C
 >{...snip...}s >.K >Part of the lower sales is that what McDonald's sells isn't necessarily asEJ >healthy to eat as other 'fast' foods priced at the same levels. Consumers >are smartening up to this.n >hI >Also, McDonald's absolute profitability is now being driven by issues of J >market saturation, in that they can't simply build new locations in areasI >that ensure a steady stream of customers and profits.  Their competitors H >have gotten smart along the way too, and have acquired prime locations.K >Besides, can you really eat burgers 7 days/week? The novelty has worn off.   F I had never eaten at a McD's until I attended college.  A gang took me toG a McD's establishment one evening.  Last time I've ever eaten at McD's.a IiH might be able to eat a hamburger 7 days/week but not that item marketted as a hamburger by McD's inc.  E BTW, what *is* that brown discus shaped stuff between the soggy buns?    --2 VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" P   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:40:55 +0000e2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping 4 Message-ID: <20021112014054.A19850@eisenschmidt.org>  Z Unless the Voices are Mistaken, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG (VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG) Wrote:q > In article <hAWz9.60083$MGm1.59010@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > >{...snip...}  > > M > >Part of the lower sales is that what McDonald's sells isn't necessarily asdL > >healthy to eat as other 'fast' foods priced at the same levels. Consumers > >are smartening up to this.t > >sK > >Also, McDonald's absolute profitability is now being driven by issues of L > >market saturation, in that they can't simply build new locations in areasK > >that ensure a steady stream of customers and profits.  Their competitors.J > >have gotten smart along the way too, and have acquired prime locations.M > >Besides, can you really eat burgers 7 days/week? The novelty has worn off.o > K > I had never eaten at a McD's until I attended college.  A gang took me to L > a McD's establishment one evening.  Last time I've ever eaten at McD's.  IK > might be able to eat a hamburger 7 days/week but not that item marketted   > as a hamburger by McD's inc. > G > BTW, what *is* that brown discus shaped stuff between the soggy buns?3  F Well, my understanding is that the USDA allows "100% pure ground beef" to be up to 25% sawdust.  B What McDonald's calls a hamburger is 1/10 lbs of "100% pure ground beef" before cooking.1  ? While I agree that the novelty has worn off (I have a sign fromtC Unamerican in my office that reads: MCDONALD'S ISN'T FOOD), I wouldtB pay big money to get one of those life size Mayor McCheese statuesF that they used to have in McD's in the 80s. I've offered to pay peopleA to go into old, unrenoved McDonalds and steal them, I almost evenPB bought a giant Big Boy to scratch the itch, but I knew I needed an authentic Mayor McCheese.l  C Before you ask, it's because of who he is. Come on people, it's the C Mayor of Frytown, the coolest mayor in America (followed closely bya DC's own former Marion Barry).   >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr
 >            .7 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" d   --  / John W. Eisenschmidt (jweisen@eisenschmidt.org)i.   http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/pgp.html  D "I liked HP, and at one time I liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better C  than HP and Compaq put together."   -Phil Mendlesohn (comp.os.vms)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:38:54 -0500e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger FlippingA/ Message-ID: <3DD0699A.D1E8C205@vl.videotron.ca>a   John Eisenschmidt wrote:H > Well, my understanding is that the USDA allows "100% pure ground beef" > to be up to 25% sawdust. > D > What McDonald's calls a hamburger is 1/10 lbs of "100% pure ground > beef" before cooking.D    H In canada, we have a chain called Harveys which don't even bother makingM claims about being 100% beef. I almost convinced a vegetarian once to try onerG since it is likely there might not be any meat in there :-) :-) :-) :-)   I In all fairness to McDonalds, I think that they are only now waking up to N healthier food with salads etc in north america (they have had different menus in europe for some time).h  I I personally avoid McDonalds because "I am not heavy enough to trip their D counter" and, as a result they cannot serve me if I go through theirL drive-through on my bike as I would "screw up their statistics". One cyclistL in florida was charged with trespassing when he insisted on being served andU the civil servant inside couldn't because the cyclist hadn't triggered the "process"..  @ That is the type of experience that stays in one's mind forever.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:36:59 -0600n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>w# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping ' Message-ID: <3DD0856B.39ADDC6B@fsi.net>i   Shane Smith wrote: > H > Truth. Growing up in England I didn't even /see/ a McD's until the midJ > 80's. I used to go to a chain called Wimpy's. Hand grilled, buns toasted@ > dark with a hairline of burn on the edge, everything tasted ofF > something. When I tried McD's and found the only taste came from theG > "special sauce" I was incredibly disappointed. I actually thought thed > meat had gone off.  D I've been having "fun" for years asking for hamburgers "plain". It'sD amazing the scale of meanings "plain" can have - to some, "plain" isH meaningless; to some, it's onions-only; to some, it's cheese only ... atE "the local biffy-burger", it means lettuce only: you ACTUALLY have toc" ask for a "plain hamburger plain".   B-mazing...y  D > Damn. Now I'm all nostalgic for the Wimpy stand that used to be in > Stafford town square.n  E Yeah - I miss a local "choke and puke" ("greasy spoon") that made onee' excellent bread-and-meat burger. FFO...t   -- ( David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/2   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:40:02 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingm/ Message-ID: <3DD09409.89EE587F@vl.videotron.ca>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:F > I've been having "fun" for years asking for hamburgers "plain". It'sF > amazing the scale of meanings "plain" can have - to some, "plain" isJ > meaningless; to some, it's onions-only; to some, it's cheese only ... atG > "the local biffy-burger", it means lettuce only: you ACTUALLY have tor$ > ask for a "plain hamburger plain".  L If you ever go to the australian outback, you HAVE to ask for a "Burger with	 the lot".t  7 You'll find that McDonalds is a very "plain" hamburger.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:08:02 GMTo! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzo# Subject: Pathworks and a PDC Change % Message-ID: <3dd04508.102161590@news>r   Hello any Pathworks experts!  B Running Pathworks 6.1 under OpenVMS VAX 7.2 configured as a MemberA Server. Serves out some shares and does external authentication..i  > Our NT 4 PDC is due to be replaced, as we move to a W2K Active Directory structure.  C Question is, will I need to rebuild the SAM or do any configuration  changes after the upgrade?  ? Or, should it quietly know things have moved and continue on as  before?s   Any info, tips, welcome,   TIAn   Rob.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:19:23 GMTi9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>i: Subject: Re: Postscript printers and Mozilla/CSWB printing? Message-ID: <cc77e5934b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   ; In message <cc5619f2.0211111031.7a11b4a@posting.google.com> 1           jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) wrote:i  H > Next step in eliminating win-nt Alpha from my life is getting printingE > to work from Mozilla/CSWB on my PWS 600au.  My current printer is aSH > LAT and IP connected DEC Colorwriter 520ic, which is fine for text andF > such (and for everything from the NT box), but as far as I can tell,C > Mozilla on VMS only outputs 'rich' pages in postscript.  At least/3 > thats what prints (in source) on the DEC printer.m > B > I don't have a spare PS capable printer to hook up and try.  HasE > anyone been using a PS printer to successfully print browser pages, 4 > 'html' email, etc from CSWB/Mozilla under OpenVMS? > F > Also, looks like the cheap way to go might be a DeskJet 1200 or 1600H > with Postscript unless a deal on a Laserjet 5M or better comes up (theD > 4s I've seen are all beat to death).  Has anyone used one of thoseE > deskjets, _especially_ in a VMS environment, with or without DCPS? pD > Any comments on their capabilities?  THis is home/hobbyist use, so > speed is not the main factor.l > 	 > Thanks!t > 
 > Rich Jordane > CCSc   A devious route.  
 Print to filee Load file on Ghostscript: Print from Ghostscript using its drivers for your printer.  	 Assuming: M You can catch the print file - a permanently stopped queue may be useful here / You can get Ghostscript with a suitable driver.l     --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/p   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:19:19 GMTT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)B Subject: Re: RISKS of VMS system mismanagement or misconfiguration2 Message-ID: <XTPz9.23$Xh2.416933@news.cpqcorp.net>  4 In article <rYFUo+cc5ttm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:r ..M >The NTSB (U.S. National Transportation Safety Board) has released its reportoF >on the pipeline accident at Bellingham, Washington, in June 1999. ...  ! Larry -- Thanks for posting this.b  C Is there a reason to call this "RISKS of VMS system mismanagement" <6 rather that "RISKS of computer system mismanagemenet"?  E I didn't notice anything specific to OpenVMS -- did I miss something?    -- wI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USAvH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:21:53 GMTl8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)B Subject: Re: RISKS of VMS system mismanagement or misconfiguration3 Message-ID: <lrTz9.61$uJ2.1684637@news.cpqcorp.net>6  = In article <HlQz9.335839$121.9231869@twister.austin.rr.com>, b3 LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) writes:l: >Charlie Hammond (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net) wrote: ..F >: Is there a reason to call this "RISKS of VMS system mismanagement"  ..H >: I didn't notice anything specific to OpenVMS -- did I miss something? >: o >Yup:e >mB >   "...A pair of DEC VAX computers (one active, one standby) ran I >    the SCADA software. Investigators attempted to duplicate the system rG >    slowdown but were not successful. Nor were any flaws uncovered in t! >    the hardware or software..."e  H O.K., I wasn't clear -- Yes I did see this, but the "mismanatement" had,J I think, nothing specific to do with OpenVMS vs Unix, Windows or whatever. Yes?   -- lI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USAnH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:15:45 GMTr1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>d$ Subject: Re: The Leper colony at ETS, Message-ID: <RKXz9.2257$V16.10995@rwcrnsc54>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0211051846.60937f39@posting.google.com...  > Dave,o >0I > My guess would be that Jeff Killeen has seen this note and forwarded toI
 the board.  4 Haven't heard from Jeff on this and I am on the BoD. >-H > I have no influence on this decision at all.  I just help with the VMS content.  * And there were ~30 sessions at HP ETS2002. >w > sueo >p> > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# news:<3DC7440A.6D293074@fsi.net>...A > > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > > K > > > Just so you know they did not announce the next ETS as soon as I find- > > > out I will let you know. > >nD > > Yes! Please, especially the date for submissions of sessions andH > > seminars! Don't know how to convince them that speakers need time toK > > prepare, but I've already started working on the presentations I intend.J > > to submit for (whatever)-2003. Hopefully, the close of submissions andK > > session/seminar selections will be more than two months before the shown7 > > (four months would great, six would be ideal, IMO).d  H The RUMOUR is a Spring 2003 event in Las Vegas. But this is pure RUMOUR.  H By the way, the DFWCUG recently held a 25th Anniversary Party for VMS. A splendid time was had by all.e   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 11:17:55 -0800( From: b_johnson@tditx.com (Bill Johnson)  Subject: Upgrading/Replacing PCm= Message-ID: <39eeb15a.0211111117.342921c3@posting.google.com>   E I don't want this to sound like a SALES post but FRANKLY it is in itsHD purest form. I have come from the OpenVMS background and was workingD with VMS since 3.1 and writting device drivers in the early 80's andE spent a great deal of my waking time using, and abusing OpenVMS. LikeeD the folks that read this new group I believe VMS is here to stay andD is the ONLY OS thats reliable for uptime, security and availability. Nough said.   D I work for TECSys Development, makers of ConsoleWorks and although IB have posted to a related thread re: Remote Console Management, I'dC like to make another offer to those of you who have PCM and want to  egt out from under it.  E If you upgrade from PCM to ConsoleWorks this quarter (or at least getm? the process started) Right now, this minute, I will offer a 35% = discount on the retail version of consoleworks for everythingr9 purchased this quarter. ConsoleWorks will Import your PCMlE configuration and basically its a plug and play swap. I have posted a.D deal for Wildfire owners but after thinking about it I was compelled3 to offer another deal for folks who have PCM and no   ? If your interested call our office at 972-881-1553 or visit ourpD website at http://www.tditx.com/tdiinfo.php and fill out the requestD info form. Tell the sales folks or indicate on the form that you are0 inquiring about the PCM upgrade offer from Bill!  F If this is something else I should be doing, I am sure this group willF let me know. I have thick skin and am always looking for a better idea< - and nope I can't give it away - we have to eat you know 8)   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 15:22:17 -0800+ From: seanobanion@attbi.com (Sean O'Banion)a$ Subject: Re: Upgrading/Replacing PCm= Message-ID: <f883d5a4.0211111522.5a234e1f@posting.google.com>-   Bill,-  0 Is there any possibility for a Hobbyist license?T Something like VAX or Alpha OpenVMS Hobbyiest License, four consoles, no support ...     Sean    m b_johnson@tditx.com (Bill Johnson) wrote in message news:<39eeb15a.0211111117.342921c3@posting.google.com>...dG > I don't want this to sound like a SALES post but FRANKLY it is in itsBF > purest form. I have come from the OpenVMS background and was workingF > with VMS since 3.1 and writting device drivers in the early 80's andG > spent a great deal of my waking time using, and abusing OpenVMS. LikerF > the folks that read this new group I believe VMS is here to stay andF > is the ONLY OS thats reliable for uptime, security and availability.
 > Nough said.a > F > I work for TECSys Development, makers of ConsoleWorks and although ID > have posted to a related thread re: Remote Console Management, I'dE > like to make another offer to those of you who have PCM and want tom > egt out from under it. > G > If you upgrade from PCM to ConsoleWorks this quarter (or at least getaA > the process started) Right now, this minute, I will offer a 35%<? > discount on the retail version of consoleworks for everything.; > purchased this quarter. ConsoleWorks will Import your PCM G > configuration and basically its a plug and play swap. I have posted aCF > deal for Wildfire owners but after thinking about it I was compelled5 > to offer another deal for folks who have PCM and no  > A > If your interested call our office at 972-881-1553 or visit ouruF > website at http://www.tditx.com/tdiinfo.php and fill out the requestF > info form. Tell the sales folks or indicate on the form that you are2 > inquiring about the PCM upgrade offer from Bill! > H > If this is something else I should be doing, I am sure this group willH > let me know. I have thick skin and am always looking for a better idea> > - and nope I can't give it away - we have to eat you know 8)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:35:48 GMTi+ From: "Bill Johnson" <res0xcil@verizon.net>_$ Subject: Re: Upgrading/Replacing PCm5 Message-ID: <E1Yz9.5476$6Z.1126@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>g   Sean:3  I     Yes, we have a hobbyist license, I don't recall the specifics for thevK license, but I am positive that since our VP of Product Support was the guydG who championed the license type and process, and I know he watches this L group, I will see if we can get him to provide the specifics to the group at large.   ---Billl  8 "Sean O'Banion" <seanobanion@attbi.com> wrote in message7 news:f883d5a4.0211111522.5a234e1f@posting.google.com.... > Bill,l >w2 > Is there any possibility for a Hobbyist license?J > Something like VAX or Alpha OpenVMS Hobbyiest License, four consoles, no support ...n >l >o > Sean >d >s5 > b_johnson@tditx.com (Bill Johnson) wrote in message 9 news:<39eeb15a.0211111117.342921c3@posting.google.com>...lI > > I don't want this to sound like a SALES post but FRANKLY it is in itsbH > > purest form. I have come from the OpenVMS background and was workingH > > with VMS since 3.1 and writting device drivers in the early 80's andI > > spent a great deal of my waking time using, and abusing OpenVMS. Like H > > the folks that read this new group I believe VMS is here to stay andH > > is the ONLY OS thats reliable for uptime, security and availability. > > Nough said.. > >mH > > I work for TECSys Development, makers of ConsoleWorks and although IF > > have posted to a related thread re: Remote Console Management, I'dG > > like to make another offer to those of you who have PCM and want top > > egt out from under it. > > I > > If you upgrade from PCM to ConsoleWorks this quarter (or at least getmC > > the process started) Right now, this minute, I will offer a 35%:A > > discount on the retail version of consoleworks for everything-= > > purchased this quarter. ConsoleWorks will Import your PCMeI > > configuration and basically its a plug and play swap. I have posted ayH > > deal for Wildfire owners but after thinking about it I was compelled7 > > to offer another deal for folks who have PCM and now > >pC > > If your interested call our office at 972-881-1553 or visit oureH > > website at http://www.tditx.com/tdiinfo.php and fill out the requestH > > info form. Tell the sales folks or indicate on the form that you are4 > > inquiring about the PCM upgrade offer from Bill! > >nJ > > If this is something else I should be doing, I am sure this group willJ > > let me know. I have thick skin and am always looking for a better idea@ > > - and nope I can't give it away - we have to eat you know 8)   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2002 17:44:55 -08002 From: cwhii_google_spam@yahoo.com (C.W.Holeman II) Subject: Using BaanH= Message-ID: <77555df7.0211111744.661d6ef6@posting.google.com>a   Who is using Baan on VMS?    -- n C.W.Holeman II cwhii@5Julian5Locals.com Remove the fives.  http://also.as/cwhii   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:01:54 -0600c1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>uA Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002y' Message-ID: <3DD07D32.50EB02C1@fsi.net>a   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > John,l >  > >>> What's your take? <<<w > I > I don't think anyone can expect that a huge UNIX company like HP (#2 inaI > market) is all of a sudden going to drop everything to promote OpenVMS.   7 *SIGH*... Why does it always have to be all-or-nothing?   D There's an annoyingly popular buzzword in the job market these days:E "multitasking". I wonder if that could be applied here (simply add to B the marketing work-load, rather than making a major shift in their
 course)...  C > However, imho, there is no such thing as a 100% "safe" OS for thes	 > future.y  # Then, how 'bout "playing the odds"?o  I > Who knows? AIX, HP-UX, Solaris may all be replaced by Linux in the near 	 > future.u  B Possible - but what's the point? Supplanting UN*X isn't the issue,D supplanting BillyWare is the "moral imperative" of the 21st Century, IMO.  H > On the other hand, Linux might stagnate and plateau if ISV's find theyI > can't make any $'s with it i.e. Cust's not willing to pay a few hundredeE > or even a few thousand $'s for the OS may not be willing to pay the I > $10K-50K+ per CPU costs associated with the big ISV's like Oracle, BEA,g9 > PeopleSoft etc. Without ISV support, no OS can survive.o  G Agreed, but that's also a big part of the argument surrounding VMS, no?g  H > The fact that the CEO of HP has released a very positive message aboutH > OpenVMS and also stated "new Customers" and "new applications" in that( > message is good news for OpenVMS fans.  % Bread crumbs. The market is starving.q  D > Imho, the key to success in the future is diversity and that meansI > promoting different options fairly and letting Customers decide what isl > best for them.  = Trouble there is "weighting". Consider: exposure, experience.    -- e David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:07:49 -0600m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>dA Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002i' Message-ID: <3DD07E95.8717F835@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:? > > Come on .. Admit it - you smiled when you read the quote ..u > O > Call me sarcastic but no, I did not smile. I asked myself: did she do this on P > her own, or was this a very scripted message she was "forced" to read, knowingP > it would be sent to a very targetted audience and that her voice was necessaryH > to keep those customers that were funding a good part of the HP dream?  H My guess: knowing the Capellas departure was in the works, she's runningE scared trying to placate the "VMS monster" nipping ever closer at here heels...  O > The fact that she mentioned VMS is worth noting. The fact that VMS *seems* tofT > be ignored less sicne may 7th is worth noting. But I am not yet ready to trust HP.  % I agree, at least with regard to VMS.   M > What i,d like to see Cary do is to go on CNN and flatly say "for the really N > serious stuff, we offer Tandem and VMS, for other stuff,Unix is good enough,( > and for the rest, you can use Windows.  H "The rest": high-pressure petroleum pipelines, battleships and carriers, ... y'know, the piddly shit...  L > But I know Carly could never say that since she would get a call from BillK > Gates' lawyer on her cell phone before the interview was over, announcingt% > Gates's intention to divorce Carly.    Probably true.  C I got an update from InfoWorld today. Says HP's stock tanked on thec= news. Who woulda thought, but I'll look into that tomorrow...e   -- e David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/C   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:35:36 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 / Message-ID: <3DD092FF.368F1B7E@vl.videotron.ca>a   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:E > I got an update from InfoWorld today. Says HP's stock tanked on the ? > news. Who woulda thought, but I'll look into that tomorrow...y  L HP's stock had gone way up on news of Microsoft doing well last week. Way upL to the $17.00 range. It is now back down to a more normal range. I expect HPL to trade at $14.00 which seems to be its "normal" trading value. It is still higher than that at $14.85.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:54:24 GMTe  From: ffd <gfsd@ddfsafdaasf.net>G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT 2 Message-ID: <3DD05F1F.6CC0059C@firstdbasource.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:s >  > I > Misunderstanding---pure VMS question.  Apparently, the cluster alias issH > only used for INcoming connections, whereas outgoing connections don'tE > make use of it.  Thus a problem if only one machine (at a time) can " > initiate an outgoing connection.  A The cluster Alias IP address is used in-bound only.  But what youaG haven't understood is that  you can have multiple incoming and outgoingeH connections concurrently.  I have 2 VMS machines, as well as a Linux boxH and 4 PC's and have had tested the fact that I can have multiple inbound? ftp connections to the cluster IP address as well as 2 outbounduC connections using FTP at the same time using a Linksys router usingnC DSL/PPPoE (and the same thing when using a cable-modem(Bridged).  ItB think you are just making it way more difficult than it really is.  @ Now the real question. What is it EXACTLY that you are trying to
 achieve?   -- y Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163u7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:30:46 -0500a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATn/ Message-ID: <3DD067B3.1B5A3C27@vl.videotron.ca>s  G Ok, of a consumer grade router that does "NAT" allows multiple outboundwI connections (and mine does), what happens when 2 separate machines try tolM connect to the same host on the outside and their "outgoing" port is the samet  ? Will that confuse the router ?  M Is there a way to spacity which outgoing port will be used when connecting tos a remote host ?e  F something akin to telnet pop.chocolate.com/port=110/from_port=48328  ?  O Then, one could test this from 2 separate nodes and see how the router behaves.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:57:39 GMTr- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>mG Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATt< Message-ID: <D6_z9.14545$6g.4743522@news1.news.adelphia.net>   JF Mezei wrote:3  @ > Ok, of a consumer grade router that does "NAT" allows multipleD > outbound connections (and mine does), what happens when 2 separateC > machines try to connect to the same host on the outside and theirO> > "outgoing" port is the same ? Will that confuse the router ?  D No, the NAT software assigns a new port for each connection that is  passed through.o   For example:  7 10.10.10.1 port 13000 shows up externally as port 24000u7 10.10.10.2 port 13000 shows up externally as port 24001o  B Incoming packets to port 24001 get routed to 10.10.10.2 port 13000B Incoming packets to port 24000 get routed to 10.10.10.1 port 13000    [Port numbers made up of course]  B > Is there a way to spacity which outgoing port will be used when  > connecting to a remote host ?l  F None that I am aware of.  But that could depend on what you are using  for NAT.  I There is a technical discustion on how NAT or IP Masquerade in the LINUX @: how to documents, and probably other places.  A search of * http://www.google.com should turn them up.  + LINUX goes by IP Masquerade instead of NAT.i   -Johns wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:25:30 -0500t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATG/ Message-ID: <3DD090A2.BE43ECFB@vl.videotron.ca>D   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:HE > No, the NAT software assigns a new port for each connection that ise > passed through.  >  > For example: > 9 > 10.10.10.1 port 13000 shows up externally as port 24000h9 > 10.10.10.2 port 13000 shows up externally as port 24001   L Ok thanks. That explains it well. So inbound packets can be mapped easily to the right host. Makes sense.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:30:59 -0500u( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>D Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in Comp.risks article on WA pipeline fire, Message-ID: <3DD02193.9070804@tsoft-inc.com>   Jerry Leslie wrote:     I > Some day, there will be a disaster with a large loss of life & propertykC > due to the (mis)use of Windows for mission-critical applications.a    # I also think that such is possible.c  O But what will occur afterward?  Nothing reasonable in my opinion.  Will people lQ come forth and say that windoz was a mistake in such situations?  Or will we get cN the Microsoft line such as when they recently stated that no OS is secure, or O something like that.  Will anybody point out that the combination of VMS and a (M well designed and tested application would have been a much more responsible  6 choice?  Will anyone get blamed for chosing MicroSoft?  Q Just like the 9-11-2001 incident.  What were the insturments used?  Rather large nM airliners.  What aircraft were allowed to fly soon afterwards?  Rather large  O airliners.  What aircraft were the last to be allowed to fly, and under severe .L restrictions?  Small general aviation aircraft.  Typical human behavor, the ; search for the guilty, and the persecution or the innocent.l  S Why would anybody think that future incidents won't be handled in a similar manner?h   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:46:13 -0500t From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net> Subject: VMS Sales/ Message-ID: <ut0jm88gja148f@news.supernews.com>f  3 Just FYI, 70% of our system sales this year to datee are openvms.  J So I don't know if it's our advertising (we push Tru64 as much as VMS) but0 seems there is a lot of action in the VMS arena.   Anyone wish to comment why ?  I My guess is that our prices (though not fantastic) are more realistic andtK Users feel they can afford to buy products at a more market oriented price.a OR AM I DREAMING    K It just goes to show (in my opinion) that if VMS Hardware was cheap enough,e more users would stick with it.o  I Commodity pricing on VMS products was always massively over inflated, and I maybe this is a good enough sign to HP/AQ that reality speaks louder thanr specialised markets.   David (having a sane moment)           -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory St, Ste 180 Savannah GA 31404, USA Tel: (00) 1 912 447 662  Fax: (00) 1 912 201 0096 sales@hpaq.net www.islandco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:05:27 -0800l# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a Subject: RE: VMS Sales9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEPOGAAA.tom@kednos.com>   , Whar were the percentages in previous years?   >-----Original Message----- $ >From: ICUSC [mailto:sales@hpaq.net]( >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:46 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: VMS Salesv >/ >/4 >Just FYI, 70% of our system sales this year to date
 >are openvms.  >dK >So I don't know if it's our advertising (we push Tru64 as much as VMS) butt1 >seems there is a lot of action in the VMS arena.h >n >Anyone wish to comment why ?l >uJ >My guess is that our prices (though not fantastic) are more realistic andL >Users feel they can afford to buy products at a more market oriented price. >OR AM I DREAMING  >h >oL >It just goes to show (in my opinion) that if VMS Hardware was cheap enough,  >more users would stick with it. >oJ >Commodity pricing on VMS products was always massively over inflated, andJ >maybe this is a good enough sign to HP/AQ that reality speaks louder than >specialised markets.n >m >David (having a sane moment)  >. >i >. >  >  >--  >Island Computers US Corp. >2700 Gregory St, Ste 180n >Savannah GA 31404, USAt >Tel: (00) 1 912 447 662 >Fax: (00) 1 912 201 0096. >sales@hpaq.nets >www.islandco.coms >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).cB >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >o ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:43:01 -0500l0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: VMS Sales/ Message-ID: <3DD05C86.3ECC81BF@vl.videotron.ca>t   ICUSC wrote:L > So I don't know if it's our advertising (we push Tru64 as much as VMS) but2 > seems there is a lot of action in the VMS arena.   My uneducated guess:  C You provide a low cost/affordable Alpha solution to those customers N Digital/Compaq/HP doesn't care about because it only wants to sell those large' mainframes that cost multiple millions.o  L Tru64 has been officially killed. So the only ones who would still buy Tru64F are those very large sites for whom the ability to compute NOW is moreN important than the fact that Alpha/Tru64 are dead. And these customers have an7 easier way to migrate to Sun or AIX or even Apple OS-X.G. And those large sites go direct to Digital/HP.  R What is left are those loyal VMS customers who want/need the extra quality of VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:16:04 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>s Subject: Re: VMS Sales* Message-ID: <3DD06464.3060708@bigpond.com>   ICUSC wrote:5 > Just FYI, 70% of our system sales this year to date  > are openvms.   [...snip...]  B What percentage of those are hobbyist systems? Commercial systems?   Regards, Dave.o -- tI David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.comiI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/oI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmaI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennona   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:57:04 GMTt. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: VMS Sales5 Message-ID: <46_z9.240199$aa2.3284878@news.chello.at>s  P In article <ut0jm88gja148f@news.supernews.com>, "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net> writes:4 >Just FYI, 70% of our system sales this year to date
 >are openvms.f  @ How do you know this ? Do you sell as many licenses as systems ?  K >So I don't know if it's our advertising (we push Tru64 as much as VMS) but 1 >seems there is a lot of action in the VMS arena.g >o >Anyone wish to comment why ?h   Ok. I bite ;-)  J >My guess is that our prices (though not fantastic) are more realistic andL >Users feel they can afford to buy products at a more market oriented price. >OR AM I DREAMINGt  F No. It is not the prices. You also sell used systems (sometimes boughtF by EBAY). You want much more money than you actually payed yourself is5 called business. You could be cheaper if you like ;-)s  
 Instead it isn  L a) you are willing to sell (not limited to OpenVMS capable) Alpha systems !!L b) you are visible (through posts in this group - some consulting, some ads). c) information is easy found on your webserverF 	(though some of your offers are not maintained - homepage is current)& d) you are willing to offer guarantees$ e) you are willing to sell worldwideC f) you obviously got a reputation for the handling of broken piecess$ 	(fix it fast and cheap or for free)  L >It just goes to show (in my opinion) that if VMS Hardware was cheap enough,  >more users would stick with it.  2 What a surprise ;-) That's what we tell for years.4 Thanks for ACKing it. Now go to HPQ and tell them...  J >Commodity pricing on VMS products was always massively over inflated, andJ >maybe this is a good enough sign to HP/AQ that reality speaks louder than >specialised markets.o  A Well done, David. Keep selling (and continue to lower the prices)n   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER1% Network and OpenVMS system specialista E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:30:23 -0600h1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e Subject: Re: VMS Sales' Message-ID: <3DD083DF.288CBEDF@fsi.net>a   ICUSC wrote: > 5 > Just FYI, 70% of our system sales this year to date  > are openvms. > L > So I don't know if it's our advertising (we push Tru64 as much as VMS) but2 > seems there is a lot of action in the VMS arena. >  > Anyone wish to comment why ? > K > My guess is that our prices (though not fantastic) are more realistic andaM > Users feel they can afford to buy products at a more market oriented price.o > OR AM I DREAMING > M > It just goes to show (in my opinion) that if VMS Hardware was cheap enough,D! > more users would stick with it.i > K > Commodity pricing on VMS products was always massively over inflated, andnK > maybe this is a good enough sign to HP/AQ that reality speaks louder than/ > specialised markets. >  > David (having a sane moment)  F As much as I detest PowerPoint, I would suggest preparing a case-studyC of ICUSC for presentation to HP management as a model of how it CANn work, given half a chance.   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:39:18 -0500e From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net> Subject: Re: VMS Sales/ Message-ID: <ut11b8ktqubf86@news.supernews.com>c  # The majority are Commercial systems:   With NEW VMS licensess  G SoemHobbyists buy but our prices are normally a little too high for thet average punter   :0(n   DT  D "David B Sneddon - bigpond" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message$ news:3DD06464.3060708@bigpond.com... > ICUSC wrote:7 > > Just FYI, 70% of our system sales this year to date  > > are openvms. >t > [...snip...] >/D > What percentage of those are hobbyist systems? Commercial systems? >o
 > Regards, > Dave.- > --K > David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com.K > Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/3K > DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm K > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:38:13 -0500e From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net> Subject: Re: VMS Sales/ Message-ID: <ut1197cn2lm158@news.supernews.com>y   Well... one does try     DT :0)    ; "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagek/ news:46_z9.240199$aa2.3284878@news.chello.at... J > In article <ut0jm88gja148f@news.supernews.com>, "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net> writes:-6 > >Just FYI, 70% of our system sales this year to date > >are openvms.. >tB > How do you know this ? Do you sell as many licenses as systems ? >1I > >So I don't know if it's our advertising (we push Tru64 as much as VMS)p but 3 > >seems there is a lot of action in the VMS arena.m > >r > >Anyone wish to comment why ?o >i > Ok. I bite ;-) >uL > >My guess is that our prices (though not fantastic) are more realistic andG > >Users feel they can afford to buy products at a more market orientede price. > >OR AM I DREAMINGi >uH > No. It is not the prices. You also sell used systems (sometimes boughtH > by EBAY). You want much more money than you actually payed yourself is7 > called business. You could be cheaper if you like ;-)s >c > Instead it ise >.K > a) you are willing to sell (not limited to OpenVMS capable) Alpha systems  !!I > b) you are visible (through posts in this group - some consulting, some1 ads)0 > c) information is easy found on your webserverG > (though some of your offers are not maintained - homepage is current)h( > d) you are willing to offer guarantees& > e) you are willing to sell worldwideE > f) you obviously got a reputation for the handling of broken pieces % > (fix it fast and cheap or for free)  > F > >It just goes to show (in my opinion) that if VMS Hardware was cheap enough,p" > >more users would stick with it. >s4 > What a surprise ;-) That's what we tell for years.6 > Thanks for ACKing it. Now go to HPQ and tell them... >pL > >Commodity pricing on VMS products was always massively over inflated, andL > >maybe this is a good enough sign to HP/AQ that reality speaks louder than > >specialised markets.  >mC > Well done, David. Keep selling (and continue to lower the prices)L >r > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERs' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistn > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:52:41 -0500t% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> + Subject: Re: WorldCom and HP together ! ! !r/ Message-ID: <ut02kadu4j2ddb@news.supernews.com>m  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message : news:20021111170326.39278.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com...8 > I am imaginig WorldCom outsourcing all their tech team8 > to HP Services, buying OpenVMS servers for billing and7 > using OpenView as standard management platform  ! ! !- >-  = I believe that WorldCom already has LOTS of OpenVMS machines.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:21:40 GMTy. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: WorldCom and HP together ! ! ! 5 Message-ID: <ojUz9.235416$aa2.3229919@news.chello.at>i  q In article <20021111170326.39278.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:d8 >I am imaginig WorldCom outsourcing all their tech team 7 >to HP Services, buying OpenVMS servers for billing and 6 >using OpenView as standard management platform  ! ! !  H Iff this would happen, then Carly comes in and asks for PH-UX instead...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERi% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:04:34 -0500s$ From: "rob kas" <rob@netcarrier.net>+ Subject: Re: WorldCom and HP together ! ! !-3 Message-ID: <3dd01b5f$0$1403$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>   &  With Curly there not for Long........                  Rob    @ "> I believe that WorldCom already has LOTS of OpenVMS machines. >9 >$ >. >4   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:57:14 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>.+ Subject: Re: WorldCom and HP together ! ! !oH Message-ID: <eBWz9.44526$YSz1.1901@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:ut02kadu4j2ddb@news.supernews.com...n= > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in messageo< > news:20021111170326.39278.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com...: > > I am imaginig WorldCom outsourcing all their tech team: > > to HP Services, buying OpenVMS servers for billing and9 > > using OpenView as standard management platform  ! ! !. > >  >n? > I believe that WorldCom already has LOTS of OpenVMS machines.h    L Wouldn't it be ironic, if as a customer, Capellas demands positive action on VMS from HP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:16:42 -0500a' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>"$ Subject: Re: XP1000 hardware problem= Message-ID: <sqrpqa.nms.ln@cc49395-b.wodhvn01.mi.comcast.net>-   sms@antinode.org wrote:-    > From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net> > ! >> Sounds like a dead motherboarda# >> It is I think S or B Cache errorp >> Requires replacmentI >> We might have a board, but you should be able to get it replaced underh >> warrantyr > H >    I need to verify, but I believe that the three year warranty was upH > last March.  I got this box third hand, and while the Web page claimedG > "Protected by Compaq Services, including a three-year on-site limited J > warranty", the best I could get from Compaq when the power supply failedJ > last year was a free replacement which I got to install myself.  (Better > than nothing, I suppose.)e >   K I suspect that the warranty said "three year limited warranty", not "three   year on-site limited warranty".u           Stut   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:10:28 -0600 (CST)o From: sms@antinode.org$ Subject: Re: XP1000 hardware problem) Message-ID: <02111122102792@antinode.org>h  ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> D > > [...]  I got this box third hand, and while the Web page claimedI > > "Protected by Compaq Services, including a three-year on-site limitediL > > warranty", the best I could get from Compaq when the power supply failedL > > last year was a free replacement which I got to install myself.  (Better > > than nothing, I suppose.)L > M > I suspect that the warranty said "three year limited warranty", not "three n! > year on-site limited warranty".d  A    I suspect that you'd be wrong then.  In this case, when I usedNF quotation marks, it was because I was quoting something, in this case:  C    http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10030_na/10030_na.htmlo  H Search for "Protected by Compaq Services, including a three-year on-siteH limited warranty".  A quick Google search suggests that this sentence isE not unique to this document.  In all probability, the warranty reallylE should have stayed with the original owner, so I was probably gettingnF more than I deserved when I got the free power supply, but imagine howG annoyed I'd be now if I had paid for it only to have the box fail afterl$ a short car ride a few months later.  H    So far, inspection and mild percussion have changed nothing.  It sureE would be nice to know what the LEDs mean.  If you can help with that,rD please do, but while I may need help with many things, I really needD very little help clarifying the meaning of simple, English-language,' declarative sentences in things I read.n  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orgl    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.625 ************************