1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 12 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 626       Contents:@ Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in@ Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in0 ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs - Part 2 Re: AltaVista changes   Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  RE: Capellas to head up WorldCom/ Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!! / Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!!  Formatting hard disk(s)  Re: Formatting hard disk(s)  Re: Formatting hard disk(s)  Re: Formatting hard disk(s)  Re: Happy Veteran's Day ) Re: How to determine if a NIC is in use ?  Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site Re: HP Advocacy Site+ Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ? 2 Re: Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/Plus& Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbye3 Re: Moving IMAGLIB, HELPLIB and STARLTE to Base VMS 3 Re: Moving IMAGLIB, HELPLIB and STARLTE to Base VMS  Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping1 Re: Postscript printers and Mozilla/CSWB printing 9 Re: RISKS of VMS system mismanagement or misconfiguration 8 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002 VMS freeware Re: VMS freeware> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT> Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT
 Re: VMS Sales 1 What EV am I running? (family name for processor) 5 Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor)  work for Re: work for Re: work for Re: XP1000 hardware problem   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 05:32:06 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) I Subject: Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in 3 Message-ID: <lX8Ma8bNBLmm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <0fQz9.27$C32.147589@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:K > Did you corrupt something?  Try wiping out all the stuff in your personal C > [.dt...] area.  Perhaps something in one of the files got munged.  > M > The "wandering X" is the built-in (inside the X-Server) non-blanking screen L > saver.  The screen savers are a bit crazy, since itwas less designed, thanJ > "grew" in the X11 world.  The device driver has a video bloanking screenH > saver that gets kicked in if enabled.  The server DIX has both a blankK > screen (which usually causes the device driver to kick in) as well as the M > floating X.  Then CDE has *it's* screen savers which are really full screen I > override-redirect windows that it manages using a little application it 	 > spawns.  > F > Sounds like non-blanking is selected, but the CDE screen saver isn't
 > running.  
 Thanks, Fred.   B I don't know that I corrupted something, but as I write this (on aC different screen), I look over and notice the X has disappeared !!!   F The only thing I have done lately is to set host to the Infoserver :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 05:33:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) I Subject: Re: "Wandering X" instead of a blank screen saver when logged in 3 Message-ID: <Dqk+0GDEfr1Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <3DD0A682.7060807@telocity.com>, Koloth <koloth@telocity.com> writes: > ( > --------------040402040200060909090407; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed ! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  > E > Could be worse Larry.  It could have been a MS blue screen of death  >  > :)  1 I didn't corrupt the system disk _that_ badly :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:29:14 +0100 . From: "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>9 Subject: ??== OVMS 7.3-1:.PCSI_INSTALL_MIN hangs - Part 2 B Message-ID: <aus-508963.12291412112002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  B I'm back. First and foremost thanks for the help and ideas so far.  
 $sh proce/par G 12-NOV-2002 11:38:59.96   User: SYSTEM           Process ID:   00000123 G                           Node: xxxxx            Process name: "SYSTEM"  Soft CPU Affinity: off Parse Style: Traditional   -----   I Quick refresh: I can install a minimum OpenVMS system from a structure 2  % disk but not from a structure 5 disk.   H Below is the VERITY output after I enter the target disk name and until : the endless loop starts. The problem seems to be the file:  E SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON]DEC-AXPVMS-VMS-V0703-1-2.PCSI$DESCRIPTION;1    -------   9 Enter device name for target disk: (? for choices) DKB100 2 $target_disk = f$edit(inpt,"TRIM,UPCASE,COMPRESS") $else  $endif $if target_disk .eqs. helpvalue  $endif- $if target_disk .eqs. "" then goto 020_target " $If f$length(target_disk) .gt. 128 $endif8 $if f$locate(" ",target_disk) .lt. f$length(target_disk) $endif  $if f$logical("DKB100") .gts. "" $endifC $if target_disk .eqs. target_disk - ":" then target_disk := DKB100: : $if f$locate(":",target_disk) .lt. f$length(target_disk)-1 $endif( $if .not. f$getdvi(target_disk,"exists") $endif+ $if f$getdvi(target_disk,"devclass") .ne. 1  $endif $if f$getdvi(target_disk,"swl")  $endif) $if f$getdvi(target_disk,"devnam") .eqs.  " f$getdvi("sys$sysdevice","devnam") $endif% $if .not. f$getdvi(target_disk,"mnt")  $endif% $if .not. f$getdvi(target_disk,"all")  $endif $if f$getdvi(target_disk,"for")  $endif+ $if f$search("DKB100:[000000]*.*") .eqs. ""  $endif $if f$search -E ("sys$sysdevice:[vms$common]dec-axpvms-vms-*-2.pcsi$description",1) -  .eqs. "" $endif! $define/nolog/user sys$output nl:   $define/nolog/user sys$error nl:	 $set noon 4 $product show product /producer=DEC /base=AXPVMS VMS   $sav_status = $status  $set on . $if sav_status .eq. 1 then goto 030_vms_in_pdb $030_vms_in_pdb: $prod_ver_file = f$search - C ("sys$sysdevice:[vms$common]dec-axpvms-vms-*-2.pcsi$description",2)  $if prod_ver_file .eqs. "" $endif9 $prod_ver_string = f$element(3,"-",prod_ver_file) + "-" -   + f$element(4,"-",prod_ver_file)/ $prod_ver_work = f$element(3,"-",prod_ver_file) , $prod_ver_vis = f$extract(0,1,prod_ver_work)1 $if f$extract(1,1,prod_ver_work) .nes. "0" then - : prod_ver_vis = prod_ver_vis + f$extract(1,1,prod_ver_work); $prod_ver_vis = prod_ver_vis + f$extract(2,1,prod_ver_work) " $prod_ver_vis = prod_ver_vis + "."1 $if f$extract(3,1,prod_ver_work) .nes. "0" then - : prod_ver_vis = prod_ver_vis + f$extract(3,1,prod_ver_work); $prod_ver_vis = prod_ver_vis + f$extract(4,1,prod_ver_work) / $prod_ver_work = f$element(4,"-",prod_ver_file) ! $if prod_ver_work .nes. "" then - 1 prod_ver_vis = prod_ver_vis + "-" + prod_ver_work ! $define/nolog/user sys$output nl:   $define/nolog/user sys$error nl:	 $set noon D $product show product /producer=DEC /base=AXPVMS VMS /version=V7.3-1   $sav_status = $status  $set on 3 $if sav_status .eq. 1 then goto 030_check_pdf_files  $030_check_pdf_files: : $sear_file = "sys$sysdevice:[vms$common]dec-axpvms-vms-" - + prod_ver_string -  + "-2.pcsi$description" " $if f$search(sear_file,3) .eqs. "" $endif: $sear_file = "sys$sysdevice:[vms$common]dec-axpvms-vms-" - + prod_ver_string -  + "-2.pcsi$tlb" " $if f$search(sear_file,3) .eqs. "" $endif> $sear_file = "sys$sysdevice:[vms$common]dec-axpvms-openvms-" - + prod_ver_string -  + "-5.pcsi$description" " $if f$search(sear_file,3) .eqs. "" $endif> $sear_file = "sys$sysdevice:[vms$common]dec-axpvms-openvms-" - + prod_ver_string -  + "-5.pcsi$tlb" " $if f$search(sear_file,3) .eqs. "" $endif8 $if f$search("DKB100:[000000]vms$common.dir;1") .gts. "" $endif8 $if f$search("DKB100:[000000]vms$common.dir;1") .gts. "" $else 5 $if f$search("DKB100:[sys*]syscommon.dir;1") .gts. ""  $endif $endif: $If f$search("DKB100:[syse]syscommon.dir") .nes. "" then - goto 070_build_pcf0 $if f$getdvi("DKB100:","freeblocks") .lt. 115000 $endif $070_build_pcf: $ $if f$trnlnm("SYS$SCRATCH") .eqs. "" $endif $pid = f$getjpi("","PID") ! $close/error=070_pdf_open min$pdf  $070_pdf_open: $open/error=err_exit min$pdf  3 SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON]DEC-AXPVMS-VMS-V0703-1-2.  PCSI$DESCRIPTION;1! $close/error=070_pcf_open min$pcf  $070_pcf_open:B $open/error=err_exit/write min$pcf sys$scratch:vms$min00000123.pcf $pcf_producer = "" $pcf_base = "" $pcf_product = ""  $070_read_minpcf: 7 $read/error=err_exit/end=070_end_minpcf min$pdf pdf_rec 1 $pdf_rec = f$edit(pdf_rec,"COMPRESS,TRIM,UPCASE") , $if f$element(0," ",pdf_rec) .eqs. "PRODUCT" $then ( $pcf_producer = f$element(1," ",pdf_rec)$ $pcf_base = f$element(2," ",pdf_rec)' $pcf_product = f$element(3," ",pdf_rec)  $write min$pcf "DEC AXPVMS VMS"  $endif+ $if f$element(0," ",pdf_rec) .eqs. "OPTION"  $endif $goto 070_read_minpcf  $070_read_minpcf: 7 $read/error=err_exit/end=070_end_minpcf min$pdf pdf_rec 1 $pdf_rec = f$edit(pdf_rec,"COMPRESS,TRIM,UPCASE") , $if f$element(0," ",pdf_rec) .eqs. "PRODUCT" $endif+ $if f$element(0," ",pdf_rec) .eqs. "OPTION"  $endif $goto 070_read_minpcf  $070_read_minpcf: 7 $read/error=err_exit/end=070_end_minpcf min$pdf pdf_rec 1 $pdf_rec = f$edit(pdf_rec,"COMPRESS,TRIM,UPCASE") , $if f$element(0," ",pdf_rec) .eqs. "PRODUCT" $endif  ( #### Then the procedure loops endlessly.   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 00:55:07 -0800% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: AltaVista changes) Message-ID: <aqqflb01evg@drn.newsguy.com>    > ? >> Tonight's featured ad is titled "Penis Enlargement Magazine"  >>  K >> I couldn't believe it. I normally don't ever click on those links, but I M >> couldn't resist. Turns out they directed me to some page trying to sell me  >> camcorders !!!!!!  N Surely that will work? You obviously just tie the camcorder to the appropriateO part of your anantomy and leave it there for a few weeks/months/years. Probably @ more effective than any other penis enlarger on the marketplace.   >>   >> Where has the web gone ?  >>  . >> Google will be getting more of my business.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 00:17:35 -08006 From: philipp.lewis@deutsche-boerse.com (philip lewis)) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom = Message-ID: <4ad76487.0211120017.459d1dfe@posting.google.com>   ? Indeed.  The former Bankers Trust money market trading system.  E According to rumour, the DB people wanted to shut it down immediately D after the takeover and replace it with an IBM solution that was used, at HQ.  Apparently their minds were altered.  C Actually, and this is not a secret, DB is very reliant on Alpha/VMS B for the core exchange systems, as are quite a few other exchanges.  F Personally, I doubt that this is of serious significance to Carley (orD was to Curly).  These people have an agenda, and it does not include VMS.   ciao philip\ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C289A8.DDA5B210@sulfer.icius.com>...E > I know Deutsche Bank, at least up to '97 and with no visible change F > planned, used VMS systems in at least one critical area. I wonder if" > that had anything to do with it? >  > Shane  >  > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] ) > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:20 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + > Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  >  >  > Bill Todd wrote:O > > wouldn't expect any significant changes in corporate direction at HP:  that P > > wasn't his department anyway (though it certainly seemed consistent with the( > > direction he established at Compaq). > F > Prior to may 7th, I would have agreed with you 113%. Carly and Curly > wereH > "industry standard and wintel" fanatics with anything not fitting that > being ditched. > F > But since may 7th, Carly seems to have been much more resonable with	 > respect D > to serious systems and less emphatic about "industry standard" and
 > "wintel"	 > stuff.   > I > I *suspect* that Deutche Bank may have forced Carly to drop that wintel F > centric stuff in exchange for their pivotal support. This was, after
 > all, oneJ > of the big complains from the Hewletts who opposed the buying of compaq. > H > Whether Carly personally believes in the new direction, or whether she > is? > really forced by the bankers and others to go to the "serious  > computing", I  > really do not know.  > I > Lets assume Carly were *really* smart for a minute.  Strategically, she  > knows D > that Compaq would be the only wintel company capable of mounting a > worldwide @ > wintel assault on HP-UX. Dell doesn't have worldwide presence. > E > So, pretend you're a wintel company, become best buddies with dumbo 
 > CapellasI > and invite him to join the ranks at HP because the two companies are so E > compatible. So compatible in fact that Carly and Hewlett pretend to  > fight. > I > But as soon a the HP has signed the buyout of Compaq, dumbo Capellas is  > put C > aside, and all of a sudden, the wintel business doesn't figure so 
 > prominently ) > anymore and HP-UX seems more important.  > F > End result: for 25 billion (or whatever it costed to buy Compaq), HP > will have J > eliminated the only company capable of bringing wintel to enterprise and > as+ > such, will have preserved HP-UX's future.  > B > The problem is that I have absolutly no idea on whether Carly is > brilliant or! > just as dumb as dumbo Capellas.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:22:55 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>) Subject: RE: Capellas to head up WorldCom 0 Message-ID: <01C28A35.980B91B0@sulfer.icius.com>  G But if the people providing the funds want VMS to stay, I doubt Carly's  dumb enough to cut them off.  0 Yes, I know, somedays I'll grasp at any straw...   Shane    -----Original Message-----' From: philipp.lewis@deutsche-boerse.com * [mailto:philipp.lewis@deutsche-boerse.com]) Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:18 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom     ? Indeed.  The former Bankers Trust money market trading system.  E According to rumour, the DB people wanted to shut it down immediately D after the takeover and replace it with an IBM solution that was used, at HQ.  Apparently their minds were altered.  C Actually, and this is not a secret, DB is very reliant on Alpha/VMS B for the core exchange systems, as are quite a few other exchanges.  F Personally, I doubt that this is of serious significance to Carley (orD was to Curly).  These people have an agenda, and it does not include VMS.   ciao philip/ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message , news:<01C289A8.DDA5B210@sulfer.icius.com>...E > I know Deutsche Bank, at least up to '97 and with no visible change F > planned, used VMS systems in at least one critical area. I wonder if" > that had anything to do with it? >  > Shane  >  > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] ) > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:20 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + > Subject: Re: Capellas to head up WorldCom  >  >  > Bill Todd wrote:I > > wouldn't expect any significant changes in corporate direction at HP:  thatL > > wasn't his department anyway (though it certainly seemed consistent with the ( > > direction he established at Compaq). > F > Prior to may 7th, I would have agreed with you 113%. Carly and Curly > wereH > "industry standard and wintel" fanatics with anything not fitting that > being ditched. > F > But since may 7th, Carly seems to have been much more resonable with	 > respect D > to serious systems and less emphatic about "industry standard" and
 > "wintel"	 > stuff.   > I > I *suspect* that Deutche Bank may have forced Carly to drop that wintel F > centric stuff in exchange for their pivotal support. This was, after
 > all, oneJ > of the big complains from the Hewletts who opposed the buying of compaq. > H > Whether Carly personally believes in the new direction, or whether she > is? > really forced by the bankers and others to go to the "serious  > computing", I  > really do not know.  > I > Lets assume Carly were *really* smart for a minute.  Strategically, she  > knows D > that Compaq would be the only wintel company capable of mounting a > worldwide @ > wintel assault on HP-UX. Dell doesn't have worldwide presence. > E > So, pretend you're a wintel company, become best buddies with dumbo 
 > CapellasI > and invite him to join the ranks at HP because the two companies are so E > compatible. So compatible in fact that Carly and Hewlett pretend to  > fight. > I > But as soon a the HP has signed the buyout of Compaq, dumbo Capellas is  > put C > aside, and all of a sudden, the wintel business doesn't figure so 
 > prominently ) > anymore and HP-UX seems more important.  > F > End result: for 25 billion (or whatever it costed to buy Compaq), HP > will have J > eliminated the only company capable of bringing wintel to enterprise and > as+ > such, will have preserved HP-UX's future.  > B > The problem is that I have absolutly no idea on whether Carly is > brilliant or! > just as dumb as dumbo Capellas.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 06:27:06 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!!3 Message-ID: <bN$HcKuIWFpT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3DD07B7F.A4C289A0@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >  > Where can I read about it? >   :    In a very old MUP.  (Details intentioanlly not posted.)   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 07:22:24 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: Fabio's A-Z questions to HP (Year 2003) !!!3 Message-ID: <lJX65sXvpp6+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <bN$HcKuIWFpT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: ] > In article <3DD07B7F.A4C289A0@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >>   >> Where can I read about it?  >>   > < >    In a very old MUP.  (Details intentioanlly not posted.)  = At least one such problem was addressed by a MUP to VMS V4.4. - The problem had not existed in (C2) VMS V4.3.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:00:01 +0100 % From: Jurren Bouman <jubo@euronet.nl>   Subject: Formatting hard disk(s)8 Message-ID: <0122tu43fggipm31q3bbcqoiskcsfm4f8t@4ax.com>  C We have to clean the hard drives, and possible a raid-5, and remove D all the data from the disks. How can we do this? It really has to be something like DOS' "format"  F Hardware is: Digital AlphaServer 1000 4/200 and the installed software is OpenVMS 6.2.   D Is there a free tool somewhere because I don't have any boot CD's or anything else..;-(  	 Thanks...    --  
 Jurren Bouman  email: jubo@euronet.nl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:19:40 +0100  From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1> $ Subject: Re: Formatting hard disk(s)* Message-ID: <aqr9n0$ioc$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  2 "Jurren Bouman" <jubo@euronet.nl> wrote in message2 news:0122tu43fggipm31q3bbcqoiskcsfm4f8t@4ax.com...E > We have to clean the hard drives, and possible a raid-5, and remove F > all the data from the disks. How can we do this? It really has to be > something like DOS' "format" > H > Hardware is: Digital AlphaServer 1000 4/200 and the installed software > is OpenVMS 6.2.   I As said Atlant, the only completely secure approach is melt down the disk ( Less than that: security erase the disk.+ Less than that: delete/erase all the files. ! Less than that: delete the files.    Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:04:02 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>$ Subject: Re: Formatting hard disk(s). Message-ID: <3DD13481.E5382AAD@mindspring.com>  8 Isn't the magic word something like DATA_SECURITY_ERASE?   Atlant   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 11:36:51 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: Formatting hard disk(s)3 Message-ID: <j++4KZYl4Tb+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <q6b2tuss48ja3k03rnhn77aje65l51pjbs@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes: L > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:41:24 -0500, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote: >> >>It's part of VMS.  >> >>$ INIT/ERASE device-name:  > J > Last time I checked the documentation for this, it seemed to suggest theL > volume was marked erase-on-allocate (my words), not that anything happenedL > at INIT time.  A better bet would be ANAL/MEDIA/EXERCISE - you can specifyM > the write pattern, so several passes with complete bit-flips ought to erase ? > any possibility of a "shadow" of the original data remaining.   F    INITIALIZE/ERASE writes a data security erase pattern on the blocksC    of the disk.  I've dumped the blocks on some disks to make sure.   2    You're thinking of SET VOLUME /ERASE_ON_DELETE.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:39:14 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>   Subject: Re: Happy Veteran's Day' Message-ID: <3DD12EB2.6D71330A@vcu.edu>   " I'll bite, whut's fondavision?????   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > 3 > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net> wrote in message 5 > news:3dd06d27$0$17644$1dc6e903@news.corecomm.net... K > > I took the day off..... first time I've done that and I am a veteran as  > you ( > > are Terry.  Hope you had  a fun day. > I > Well, actually, I was fixing to drive from DFW to ABQ, had a flat tire, K > discovered that all my tires were corrupted (damned strange with way less L > than 10K miles and three years use) so I celebrated the day by getting newN > tires. Very little mention of Veteran's Day in the paper and the traditionalM > (CBS, NBC, ABC, FondaVision) media, other than the lack of mail delivery it  > was pretty much a non-event. > L > Just as well. Veteran's day 1970 and 1971 were a lot more eventful. Things= > were a bit warm in Nha Trang and Pleiku back in those days!  > 	 > cheers,  > 	 > terry s    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Nov 02 09:04:30 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com 2 Subject: Re: How to determine if a NIC is in use ?( Message-ID: <xi1er1xhdcyA@cpva.saic.com>  ' In article <3dcfc15f$1@cpns1.saic.com>, (  "Bruce Taube" <taubed@saic.com> writes: > Hi,  > M > Does anyone know of a Device characteristic that can be viewed to determine  > if a NIC is in use ? > L > So far I've tried DVI$_REFCNT and XM$M_STS_ACTIVE using DVI$_DEVDEPEND but > can't seem to get anywhere.  > N > The only other thing I can think of is the "Active Unit Count" which is partN > of the SDA> show lan/dev=ewa.  I think that lists the total number of activeJ > protocols bound to the NIC.  I suppose if that was greater than 3 (alwysI > seems to have two "DNAME" and one "LAST" clients), that would mean that K > somthing is bound to it.  But what is the GETDVI item that corresponds to  > the the "Active Unit Count" ?  >   L EWA0 is a template device and as such doesn't really have a reference count.I EWA1(2,3,4...): are the devices cloned from this template and will have a J non-zero reference count. Maybe something like this will help (even thoughL it doesn't answer your question) since it looks like you want a DCL solution for your problem.    --   - Jim        $ count = 0 
 $ template :=  $_1$:  $ nic = f$device(,32,,777)! $ if (nic .eqs. "") then goto _2$ C $ if ((f$getdvi(nic,"sts") .and. %x2000) .eq. %x2000) then goto _2$  $ count = count + 1 
 $ goto _1$ $_2$:  $ if count .ne. 0 then -L     write sys$output "NIC -> ''device' is active with ''count' active units" $ count = 0  $ device = nic - "0:"  $ if nic .eqs. "" then exit 1 
 $ goto _1$   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 06:33:38 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site 3 Message-ID: <graRSA0QE9gh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <aqohvv$4ab$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes: e > In article <2QFmukf231oe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   D >>   Which is like asking for RMS support for your chocolate teapot.B >>   JDBC requires more than what RMS offers or intended to offer. >> > M > It isn't often I agree with Andrew but if third-party Unix  C-ISAM products I > can supply JDBC connectors then there definitely should be an RMS JDBC   > connector.    ?    IIRC someone else already posted that there is a third party 5    solution.  Andrew doesn't think that's acceptable.   G >>   And why keep harping on RMS?  Why not AWT or Swing support for SMG & >>   or support for LIB, DLM, LRB, ... >  > Why not indeed ?L > Java already provides a means for native C programs to interact with Java.  H    Personally, I'd like to "import Startlet.SYS" or "import Starlet.LIB"D    from time to time, but I don't think there's a big market for it.   > H > I note that Compaq/HP have a beta JAVA machinecode compiler for Tru64  > N > http://www.compaq.com/java/documentation/1.3.1/swift_unix/release_notes.html >  > This states that   > P > "Swift compiles class files or .jar files or methods containing java bytecodesM > to highly optimized Alpha machine instructions that can be used by the fast  > VM." > L > Hopefully this will soon be ported to VMS which might overcome some of the# > perceived speed problems of Java.   G    Maybe GNU will figure out how to complete their Java compiler, which G    does native code and is supposed to be in the class of GNU compilers 8    inheriting from gcc, which can do native code on VMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 06:36:36 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site 3 Message-ID: <ws0HixlhNI8s@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3DCFC927.4020800@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >  >  > Bob Koehler wrote:[ >> In article <3DCF7D09.2090901@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:  >>  1 >>>No another CF on your part, I complained about  >>>the lack of a JDBC for RMS. >>   >>  E >>    Which is like asking for RMS support for your chocolate teapot. C >>    JDBC requires more than what RMS offers or intended to offer.  >>   > 9 > The simple proof that you point isn't valid is that you . > can get JDBC connectors for RMS from CONNX ?  H    Yes, we've been over that.  So whats so wrong about it being a third B    party product?  Why do YOU keep harping on getting HP to do it?   > 9 > Because John Mclean in this thread complained that Java 9 > doesn't support RMS properly and thus RMS was the topic  > under discussion.   &    Obviously I disagree with him, too.  F > I am tempted to be very rude here but it would really be much better7 > if you tried reading the other articles in the thread 5 > instread of trying to reply out of context to mine.   0    Its just so much easier to push your buttons.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 06:39:29 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site 3 Message-ID: <BaCiqZFPygaB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <20021111160709.C15988@eisenschmidt.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> writes:  > H > Why aren't you big HP customers calling your sales droid and demandingH > Java support for OpenVMS? I would, but I can't even get my Field Droid) > to fix my DS-10 in less than 30 visits.  >   E    Because we have Java support for OpenVMS.  We've been using VMS as F    our prime Java development platform for a couple years now.  And weI    use it to provide compile-once code that runs on VMS, MacOS, Windows,      IRIX, ...  ,    What we have now is exactly what we need.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 06:40:46 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site 3 Message-ID: <VC27yVHIn2QE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <Pb_z9.2049$ME6.1292@rwcrnsc53>, "Tom M" <kryios@attbi.com> writes:L > A JDBC server/driver for RMS or C-ISAM attempts to make a group of indexedN > files look like a database.  Real applications that use indexed files accessN > files independently and merge them in the program logic (like in COBOL whereM > indexed file access is natural and part of the language).  There is a whole L > lot of plumbing required to serve a group of indexed files, make them lookM > like a database (perform joins, etc), and perform anywhere near reasonably.  > J > From the description of the third party product, it appears that it doesH > exactly that, works with indexed file systems on various platforms andA > allows you to perform joins across platforms.  If you need this L > functionality, this product seems ideal.  Why would a layered product fromN > HP be any better?  Is someone hoping that HP would bundle a DBMS with VMS atI > no cost?  Unlikely, but if they are going to do that (again), there are  > others I would prefer.  C    So all they really need is a Java API to Datatrieve?  Datatrieve (    could make anything look like a DBMS.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:34:22 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site + Message-ID: <aqre2t$2sp$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <graRSA0QE9gh@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: Z >In article <aqohvv$4ab$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes:f >> In article <2QFmukf231oe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > E >>>   Which is like asking for RMS support for your chocolate teapot. C >>>   JDBC requires more than what RMS offers or intended to offer.  >>>  >>  N >> It isn't often I agree with Andrew but if third-party Unix  C-ISAM productsJ >> can supply JDBC connectors then there definitely should be an RMS JDBC 
 >> connector.  >  > @ >   IIRC someone else already posted that there is a third party6 >   solution.  Andrew doesn't think that's acceptable. > 	 Nor do I. J I shouldn't need to search for a thirdparty vendor or pay out extra money.A HP is RMS's vendor they should develop the JDBC connector for it.   M As I stated previously this is exactly the problem VMS had with TCPIP stacks.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 11:24:08 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site 3 Message-ID: <pLZevqk6norU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <86b2tusigvfav52kep5j2qs6uppr8jtqqv@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: >>J >>   Yes, we've been over that.  So whats so wrong about it being a third D >>   party product?  Why do YOU keep harping on getting HP to do it? > F > Possibly because HP do bundle a JDBC connector for Oracle 8i but not > RMS.    D    Oracle is a DBMS.  It should ahve all the parts needed to support    a JDBC connector.  D    RMS is not a DBMS.  As others have pointed out you need more thanH    RMS to support a JDBC.  So there's no such thing as "a JDBC connectorC    for RMS".  It has to be "a JDBC connector for RMS and some extra     functions not present".  C    Since another vendor already has a product in the extruciatingly =    small market there's no bussines case for HP to write one.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 11:20:08 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site 3 Message-ID: <bxZwkdQ5vydD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3DD12EEA.3020902@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > 3 > This is a case in point but calls for Sun to port / > StarOffice to OpenVMS also fall into the same  > category.  >   F    I never called for that.  You getting me mixed up with someone else	    again?    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 01:21:25 -0800% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 4 Subject: Re: HP Moving Tandem Maintenance Offshore ?) Message-ID: <aqqh6l01jci@drn.newsguy.com>   N In article <20021111173635.45801.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio says... > $ >Why this obsession with India ?????0 >We have good developers in Latin America too ! C >How Bush can improve the Free Trade Area if USA companies dont see  >their own neighborhood ....  P The fact that it is a British Commonwealth country (until just over 50 years agoL it was still part of the British Empire) and English is an official languageG probably has something to do with it. There is also at least one Knight2O Commander of the British Empire in George Bush's cabinet (Colin Powell). George D Bush Senior is also a KBE and "W" doesn't want to spoil his chances.  E You don't think the US is really independent do you? 1776 was a hoax.    (C) Conspiracies are us :-)m  N But seriously what the US founding fathers would have thought of their highestI officials accepting British Empire titles from the Queen I hate to think!s   >e >Regards >h >FC 7 >--- Jerry Leslie <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote: < >>      http://trav-tech.com/cgi/testwww/config.pl?read=7297- >>      HP moving Tandem maintenance offshoreA >>    2 >>                 ``Tandem Jobs and Resumes Board >>     c: >>                   HP moving Tandem maintenance offshore( >>                                      = >>                   Posted By: Anonymous <noone@nowhere.org>cB >>                   Date: Tuesday, 29 October 2002, at 1:29 p.m.  >>      D >>      A friend and former co-worker, whom I trust and who is stillI >>      working at Tandem in Cupertino, told me that HP has just informedoK >>      its Tandem employees that it will be moving most Tandem maintenancegI >>      programming to India, and eliminating 170 positions in Cupertino.HI >>      (Just what we need, 170 *more* Tandem programmers on the market.)r >>      H >>      My source also reports that when asked what the Tandem customersG >>      thought of this, a senior executive (who shall rename nameless)  >>      replied: >>      2 >>      "We aren't going to tell the customers".'' >> r >> g5 >> --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own) < >>   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email >- >- >===== >==========================- >Fbio dos Santos Cardoso0 >OpenVMS System Manageri >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br" >==========================n >c3 >__________________________________________________@ >Do you Yahoo!?r. >U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos >http://launch.yahoo.com/u2g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:02:09 +1100 B From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@noooo_spammm_optusnet.com.au>; Subject: Re: Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/Pluse< Message-ID: <3dd0d1bb$0$15344$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  $ well reply/enable and then reply/log  will recreate new files for you.   antony   >eK > Thanks, that should sort out the immediate symptom of unwieldy log files. 5 > It's probably time to lob this at the network guys.h >b > -- > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlands   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:14:48 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>/ Subject: Re: It's official. Curly waves goodbyes. Message-ID: <3DD0AA67.74BF4A8B@pressenter.com>   Alan Greig wrote:i > ; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2002/021111b.htmln > / > HP Announces Departure of Michael D. Capellas, > " > PALO ALTO, Calif., Nov. 11, 2002R > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------      I'm surprised it took this long.     Lyndon   -- -G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of mye	 employer.e    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 11:16:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e< Subject: Re: Moving IMAGLIB, HELPLIB and STARLTE to Base VMS3 Message-ID: <bgQD44Gmbccs@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  m In article <Sd9A9.23$KK3.544796@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes: C > OpenVMS supports the addition of user and layered product modules- > into these libraries:a >  >     [SYSLIB]IMAGELIB.OLB >     [SYSHLP]HELPLIB.HLBa >     [SYSLIB]STARLET.OLBu > O > "Supports" means that we preserve such additions when OpenVMS is upgraded -- 9M > these libraries get "merged" by one means or another -- not just overlayed.o > A > These libraries are NOT part of Base VMS.  IMAGELIB and STARLET C > are in the LINKER_LIBRARIES sub-option of the PROGRAMMING option; D > HELPLIB is in the HELP_LIBRARY sub-option of the UTILITIES option.  < I blindly install help modules from both VMSINSTAL and PCSI,? never considering that the system help library might not exist.t> While the fact that I have not gotten complaints for any of my> kits, you might check to ensure both VMSINSTAL and PCSI deftly> handle the absence of those libraries.  If not, you have proofD people are not installing in the absence of the system help library.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 11:54:12 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d< Subject: Re: Moving IMAGLIB, HELPLIB and STARLTE to Base VMS3 Message-ID: <RWg54pOD8SUU@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  m In article <Sd9A9.23$KK3.544796@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes:g > H > I would like to move these libraries into base VMS.  It is likely thatG > this would ONLY be done for OpenVMS Alpha.  (And, by implications, onf< > future Itanium (TM) processor family versions of OpenVMS.)  F    I like it.  Could we also have them decompressed by default instead:    of manually runing libdecompress.com after the install?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:27:03 +1100"1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping", Message-ID: <3DD0C967.3040904@tg.nsw.gov.au>  G Oh yes, memories of Wimpy bars (but can't remember any outdoor stands).v  H Yes, you ordered, it was cooked and it was delivered at your table by a C waitress, on a plate!! and with cutlery!!, if you wanted to use it.   B The bun, meat and chips (not "french-fries") were hot, the **side F salad** was cold and crisp.  Not all crammed into a plastic container I and squashed into the bun so that all ingredients became tepid and soggy.2  C A Wimpy bar was also a not too bad place to take girl friends on a tI student "(non-)salary".  Often a juke-box and you could relish your meal fG as if it were a restaurant.  I could not imagine trying to "impress" a $G new date by taking her to McDonalds.  And if you went on your own, the eG waitresses were even of an age that you could ask them out -- why take e coals to Newcastle :-)  I The atmosphere in many that I frequented in the early 1960's was not too cH dissimilar to the old coffee bars.  Without knowing much of the life in ; US, USers would know this from the old "Happy Days" series.t  H Thanks Shane for reminding me that real hamburgers used to happen.  And D that real life is NOT McDonalds and Micro$oft.  Yep, it's more like C Wimpy's and VMS (am I in the right newsgroup to mention this OS :-)s   Regards, Paddy   Shane Smith wrote:H > Truth. Growing up in England I didn't even /see/ a McD's until the midJ > 80's. I used to go to a chain called Wimpy's. Hand grilled, buns toasted@ > dark with a hairline of burn on the edge, everything tasted ofF > something. When I tried McD's and found the only taste came from theG > "special sauce" I was incredibly disappointed. I actually thought them > meat had gone off. > D > Damn. Now I'm all nostalgic for the Wimpy stand that used to be in > Stafford town square." >  > Shane:      G ***********************************************************************n  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedv> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisehB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid bA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesp> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 02:17:01 -0800% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>f# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping ) Message-ID: <aqqket01sh2@drn.newsguy.com>C  : In article <3DD0C967.3040904@tg.nsw.gov.au>, Paddy says... >  >lH >Oh yes, memories of Wimpy bars (but can't remember any outdoor stands). >fI >Yes, you ordered, it was cooked and it was delivered at your table by a eD >waitress, on a plate!! and with cutlery!!, if you wanted to use it.  M There are astonishingly still a few Wimpys around. And the number seems to beCL increasing again after many years of decline. There's one at the services at7 Junction 2 of the M90 (North of Edinburgh)for instance.c  C >The bun, meat and chips (not "french-fries") were hot, the **side  G >salad** was cold and crisp.  Not all crammed into a plastic container nJ >and squashed into the bun so that all ingredients became tepid and soggy. >sD >A Wimpy bar was also a not too bad place to take girl friends on a J >student "(non-)salary".  Often a juke-box and you could relish your meal H >as if it were a restaurant.  I could not imagine trying to "impress" a H >new date by taking her to McDonalds.  And if you went on your own, the H >waitresses were even of an age that you could ask them out -- why take  >coals to Newcastle :-)  >cJ >The atmosphere in many that I frequented in the early 1960's was not too I >dissimilar to the old coffee bars.  Without knowing much of the life in ?< >US, USers would know this from the old "Happy Days" series. > I >Thanks Shane for reminding me that real hamburgers used to happen.  And oE >that real life is NOT McDonalds and Micro$oft.  Yep, it's more like  D >Wimpy's and VMS (am I in the right newsgroup to mention this OS :-) >b >Regards, Paddy- >- >Shane Smith wrote: I >> Truth. Growing up in England I didn't even /see/ a McD's until the mid K >> 80's. I used to go to a chain called Wimpy's. Hand grilled, buns toasted6A >> dark with a hairline of burn on the edge, everything tasted of G >> something. When I tried McD's and found the only taste came from the H >> "special sauce" I was incredibly disappointed. I actually thought the >> meat had gone off.n >>  E >> Damn. Now I'm all nostalgic for the Wimpy stand that used to be in  >> Stafford town square. >> y >> Shane >l >/ > H >*********************************************************************** >nD >"This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged? >and confidential information intended only for the use of the  C >addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of  D >this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviseC >the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, y8 >distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited. >aB >If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid B >immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the > >individual sender except where the sender expressly and with D >authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses? >virus scanning software but excludes any liability for virusese >contained in any attachment.a >t= >Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is nowi% >firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  >pH >*********************************************************************** >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:07:09 -0500t! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>u# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingb' Message-ID: <3DD10B0D.7B8A5746@vcu.edu>   ' I used to ask for no cheese, please....t    the droids only heard please...     so for years I got cheese....  D    and so my favorite lethal weapon movie is where the short fat guy goes bonkers since" 	he didn't get what he wanted...     jiml   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Shane Smith wrote: > >tJ > > Truth. Growing up in England I didn't even /see/ a McD's until the midL > > 80's. I used to go to a chain called Wimpy's. Hand grilled, buns toastedB > > dark with a hairline of burn on the edge, everything tasted ofH > > something. When I tried McD's and found the only taste came from theI > > "special sauce" I was incredibly disappointed. I actually thought thea > > meat had gone off. > F > I've been having "fun" for years asking for hamburgers "plain". It'sF > amazing the scale of meanings "plain" can have - to some, "plain" isJ > meaningless; to some, it's onions-only; to some, it's cheese only ... atG > "the local biffy-burger", it means lettuce only: you ACTUALLY have toi$ > ask for a "plain hamburger plain". > 
 > B-mazing...  > F > > Damn. Now I'm all nostalgic for the Wimpy stand that used to be in > > Stafford town square.  > G > Yeah - I miss a local "choke and puke" ("greasy spoon") that made onet) > excellent bread-and-meat burger. FFO...b >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 05:42:56 -0800& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan): Subject: Re: Postscript printers and Mozilla/CSWB printing= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0211120542.58a50299@posting.google.com>    Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<cc77e5934b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>...   > A devious route. >  > Print to filee > Load file on Ghostscript< > Print from Ghostscript using its drivers for your printer. >  > Assuming:gO > You can catch the print file - a permanently stopped queue may be useful hereb1 > You can get Ghostscript with a suitable driver.A      A Last resort maybe.  I'd really prefer something more transparent.   F As a test; we have an HP5 at work and a postscript simm on the shelf. C Now we have an HP5M :).  The Alpha at work only has Netscape 3.3 on F it, but I was able to print the new Altavista homepage (after crashingA Navigator 3 times on other common pages it just can't handle on a  weenie system like that!)l  F It'd be nice to test with Mozilla, but I really can't install that for? lack of resources on that alpha box.  Still, thats a good sign.f   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 05:36:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Re: RISKS of VMS system mismanagement or misconfiguration3 Message-ID: <9k32GE3CMpE4@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  n In article <lrTz9.61$uJ2.1684637@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) writes:? > In article <HlQz9.335839$121.9231869@twister.austin.rr.com>, s5 > LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) writes:i; >>Charlie Hammond (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net) wrote:o > ..G >>: Is there a reason to call this "RISKS of VMS system mismanagement"   > ..I >>: I didn't notice anything specific to OpenVMS -- did I miss something?c >>:  >>Yup: >>C >>   "...A pair of DEC VAX computers (one active, one standby) ran tJ >>    the SCADA software. Investigators attempted to duplicate the system H >>    slowdown but were not successful. Nor were any flaws uncovered in " >>    the hardware or software..." > J > O.K., I wasn't clear -- Yes I did see this, but the "mismanatement" had,L > I think, nothing specific to do with OpenVMS vs Unix, Windows or whatever. > Yes?  F I wanted to make it clear that I was not just making an off-topic postD because of my interested in security and reliability.  Also, I thinkC such a VMS example is important here because sometimes VMS fans getrE complacent about the degree to which the operating system can protectb them.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:24:08 +0100w$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002e* Message-ID: <00A16E01.2749E85C.1@decus.de>  1 "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com> wrote:   L > ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/os/openvms now has 2 mpg files (or will have whenE > the mirror comes by so give it until  after 1PM before responding).p > OpenVMS-at-25-opening.mpgo > andw > OpenVMS-at-25-closer.mpg  @ There seems to be an error in the first file name ("opening") on7 disk -- a space character between the "OpenVMS" and thec@ "-at-25-opening.mpg"; I found it FTPing down the directory tree.: Windows was so "kind" to download the file in spite of it.  D Changing the erraneous external link to the MPEG file within the PPT
 presentation:u  ! (1) Select the appropriate slide. ? (2) Click (once) on the right-hand mouse button. A menu will ber opened. B (3) Select "play movie" or similar item. (I don't know the message* displayed in english PowerPoint versions.)D (4) A message box will be opened "PowerPoint could not find the file1 .. Do you want to search yourself?" Select "Yes". F (5) A selection box will be opened titled "Change source file". Select> the correct one; it should reside in the same directory as the. presentation itself. The link will be changed.? (6) Double-click the left-hand mouse button to start the movie.   F This is an example taken from "PowerPoint 2002 alias XP", the sequence$ may be different for other versions.   Michaeln   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:47:54 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>- Subject: VMS freeware0; Message-ID: <01KOSACGU200A23PDU@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n  8 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/opensource.html  1 >  future directions of OpenVMS open source tools  >  > Tell us what you think!s > E > Please send email to OpenVMSSecurity@hp.com and tell us which open  C > source products you would like to see part of future versions of o > OpenVMS.    ; I think the page should just have the following informationI  4 <A HREF="http://www.process.com/openvms/index.html">@ Here is an excellent source for free software which runs on VMS. </A>  F I really don't see the point of a page at HP which has just a fractionG of the packages at the Process site mentioned above.  I think that mostoH freeware packages which are commonly used on VMS are at the Process siteH above.  It is nice to have a single source for such packages, especially? if it is as well organised and maintained as the Process site.    G I DO think the freeware CD is a good idea.  Although obviously it will DG tend to lag behind web-based archives, a relatively up-to-date version  F is good to get things kick-started; packages which need to be updated = can be done individually.  So have a link to the freeware CD.i  E Why mention just a few items?  I haven't looked in detail, but these  D don't appear to be different than, say, the versions at the process  site.  Why just THESE items?  F Some, it appears, are included with VMS.  In that case, shouldn't the 3 source code just be in SYS$EXAMPLES or somewhere?  4  I Anyone who runs third-party software on VMS has, compared to regular VMS dI upgrades and patches, a fair amount of administrative work to do to keep t? current.  What we really don't need is an additional web page, AG especially if it doesn't offer much but, since it is at HP, could give sE the impression that the stuff here is somehow better than stuff from   somewhere else.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 11:12:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: VMS freeware-3 Message-ID: <lHBU+IY7anb1@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  w In article <01KOSACGU200A23PDU@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:A: > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/opensource.html > 2 >>  future directions of OpenVMS open source tools >> - >> Tell us what you think! >> 6F >> Please send email to OpenVMSSecurity@hp.com and tell us which open D >> source products you would like to see part of future versions of  >> OpenVMS.   H > I really don't see the point of a page at HP which has just a fractionI > of the packages at the Process site mentioned above.  I think that mosttJ > freeware packages which are commonly used on VMS are at the Process siteJ > above.  It is nice to have a single source for such packages, especiallyA > if it is as well organised and maintained as the Process site.   > I > I DO think the freeware CD is a good idea.  Although obviously it will XI > tend to lag behind web-based archives, a relatively up-to-date version eH > is good to get things kick-started; packages which need to be updated ? > can be done individually.  So have a link to the freeware CD.y  F You seem to be talking about Freeware, whereas Leo seems to be talkingB about things like Kerberos an STUNNEL on which VMS Engineering has  applied some integration effort.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:44:57 +0100 (MET)u9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>2G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT ; Message-ID: <01KORY30IC8Y9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  7 > The cluster Alias IP address is used in-bound only.  m   Right.   > But what youI > haven't understood is that  you can have multiple incoming and outgoing  > connections concurrently.  .  G I think I've understood it, and that I need PAT to do this.  It seems, iH however, that most routers---even low-cost ones---which say they do NAT  actually do PAT.  / > I have 2 VMS machines, as well as a Linux boxaJ > and 4 PC's and have had tested the fact that I can have multiple inboundA > ftp connections to the cluster IP address as well as 2 outboundhE > connections using FTP at the same time using a Linksys router using E > DSL/PPPoE (and the same thing when using a cable-modem(Bridged).  InD > think you are just making it way more difficult than it really is.  / This sounds fine and is just what I want to do.-  B > Now the real question. What is it EXACTLY that you are trying to > achieve?    G Nothing special.  I just want to make sure what capabilities my router s has to have before I buy it.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:56:04 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>dG Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NATN; Message-ID: <01KORY5YV4489ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  I > Ok, of a consumer grade router that does "NAT" allows multiple outboundiH > connections (and mine does), what happens when 2 separate machines tryI > to connect to the same host on the outside and their "outgoing" port ish, > the same ? Will that confuse the router ?   H That's the whole point of PAT.  If it works, you have PAT, if not, just  NAT.    G If the router doesn't support PAT, it would be interesting to see what t& error message it gives in such a case.  A > Is there a way to spacity which outgoing port will be used when)  > connecting to a remote host ?    I don't think so.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:17:19 +0000h4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>G Subject: Re: VMS machines behind DSL router---do I need PAT or just NAT 8 Message-ID: <4mh1tu0manabak074s2gmpkv728o9ou7ff@4ax.com>  8 On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:44:57 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:    >It seems,  I >however, that most routers---even low-cost ones---which say they do NAT p >actually do PAT.'  H Correct.  Anything that implemented purely NAT wouldn't last long in theL market place.  Already, people are starting to expect decent firewalling and VPN facilities.  I know I am !   	Johnm   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:28:23 +0100 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: VMS Sales) Message-ID: <3DD13A37.2030001@vajhoej.dk>k   ICUSC wrote:  5 > Just FYI, 70% of our system sales this year to dater > are openvms. > L > So I don't know if it's our advertising (we push Tru64 as much as VMS) but2 > seems there is a lot of action in the VMS arena. >  > Anyone wish to comment why ?     Three possible explanations:; 1) There are actually more VMS than Tru64 systems out there <     making the demand for replacement/upgrade systems bigger     for VMS.; 2) Tru64 do not have the 10-20 years experience people thate)     like to run it as a hobbyist at home.d@ 3) Tru64 are officially "dead", so most Tru64 sites are probably8     buying new boxes to run HPUX/AIX/Solaris on to start     migration.  K > My guess is that our prices (though not fantastic) are more realistic andpM > Users feel they can afford to buy products at a more market oriented price.Y > OR AM I DREAMING    7 Your prices *and* your good service may explain why you 
 sell well.  8 But should not really effect the VMS-Tru64 distribution.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2002 04:31:41 -0800% From: mb301@hotmail.com (Mark Bowman)s: Subject: What EV am I running? (family name for processor)= Message-ID: <1d08b916.0211120431.3d10da03@posting.google.com>   B Does anyknow how to find out what type of cpu you have on openVMS?   In Tru64 Unix its like this:-t   # sizer -implver EV5r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:40:31 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)> Subject: Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor)K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1211020740310001@1cust184.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>-  = In article <1d08b916.0211120431.3d10da03@posting.google.com>,r& mb301@hotmail.com (Mark Bowman) wrote:  C >Does anyknow how to find out what type of cpu you have on openVMS?e >m >In Tru64 Unix its like this:- >9 ># sizer -implvers >EV5   From a priv'd account:   $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM SDA> CLUE CONFIG  I This is the most complete information I know of, in partly-readable form.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:10:24 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>. Subject: work for 8 Message-ID: <tq22tu81andt4l4fp2mnchev4hbep7u2ca@4ax.com>  2 On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:31:51 -0500, Atlant Schmidt$ <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:  . >Anyone considering the modern American burger >would be well-advised to read:o >M >  Fast Food Nation:) >  The Dark Side of the All-American Mealg  F Part of the company I work for processes the seaweed used in a certain* extremely well known brand of hamburger...   >  by Eric Schlosser >e >  ISBN: 0060938455' >u >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060938455/qid=1037107763/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-0143798-5336028?v=glance&s=books&n=507846#product-details >w >Atlantl >e   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:54:22 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e Subject: Re: work forcI Message-ID: <yC8A9.48874$YSz1.29085@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>2  K Same product is an additive in McDonald's milkshakes - used to entrain morecK air,  hence less actual product (chocolate, etc..) is used in the making of 
 the shake.    2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:tq22tu81andt4l4fp2mnchev4hbep7u2ca@4ax.com...4 > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:31:51 -0500, Atlant Schmidt& > <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote: > 0 > >Anyone considering the modern American burger! > >would be well-advised to read:s > >  > >  Fast Food Nation:+ > >  The Dark Side of the All-American MealS > H > Part of the company I work for processes the seaweed used in a certain, > extremely well known brand of hamburger... >o > >  by Eric Schlosser > >I > >  ISBN: 0060938455h > >o >sL >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060938455/qid=1037107763/sr=L 8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-0143798-5336028?v=glance&s=books&n=507846#product-details > >o	 > >Atlant  > >g >D > -- > Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:36:53 +0000 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: work fora8 Message-ID: <dcb2tug09ja94hmp49u1nv7uhu38vf6jlg@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:54:22 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  
 >(seaweed)L >Same product is an additive in McDonald's milkshakes - used to entrain moreL >air,  hence less actual product (chocolate, etc..) is used in the making of >the shake.r  K Agar?  It probably started out as a thickening agent before anyone realisedn it helped entrain more air.n  J (ObFact: in the UK, you can go a long way from a humble start as a chemist9 researching how to sell more air in whipped ice-cream...)n     	Johna   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:16:13 -0500i' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>d$ Subject: Re: XP1000 hardware problem= Message-ID: <tuuqqa.hd5.ln@cc49395-b.wodhvn01.mi.comcast.net>    sms@antinode.org wrote:?  ) > From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>(E >> > [...]  I got this box third hand, and while the Web page claimedeJ >> > "Protected by Compaq Services, including a three-year on-site limitedF >> > warranty", the best I could get from Compaq when the power supply >> > failed E >> > last year was a free replacement which I got to install myself. d& >> > (Better than nothing, I suppose.) >> aF >> I suspect that the warranty said "three year limited warranty", not) >> "three year on-site limited warranty".  > C >    I suspect that you'd be wrong then.  In this case, when I usedDH > quotation marks, it was because I was quoting something, in this case: > E >    http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10030_na/10030_na.htmls > J > Search for "Protected by Compaq Services, including a three-year on-siteJ > limited warranty".  A quick Google search suggests that this sentence isG > not unique to this document.  In all probability, the warranty reallyCG > should have stayed with the original owner, so I was probably getting H > more than I deserved when I got the free power supply, but imagine howI > annoyed I'd be now if I had paid for it only to have the box fail afterh& > a short car ride a few months later. > J >    So far, inspection and mild percussion have changed nothing.  It sureG > would be nice to know what the LEDs mean.  If you can help with that,VF > please do, but while I may need help with many things, I really needF > very little help clarifying the meaning of simple, English-language,) > declarative sentences in things I read.s  J How 'bout that.  The web page that I looked up on HP's web site just said + "limited warranty" without the "on-site".  e   Sorry about that.j           Stu4   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.626 ************************whats so wrong about it being a third D >>   party product?  Why do YOU keep harping on getting HP to do it? > F > Possibly because HP do bundle a JDBC connector for Oracle 8i but not > RMS.    D    Oracle is a DBMS.  It should ahve all the parts needed to support    a JDBC connector.  D    RMS is not a @1Ī    A1Ī    B1Ī    C1Ī    D1Ī    E1Ī    F1Ī    G1Ī    H1Ī    I1Ī    J1Ī    K1Ī    L1Ī    M1Ī    N1Ī    O1Ī    P1Ī    Q1Ī    R1Ī    S1Ī    T1Ī    U1Ī    V1Ī    W1Ī    X1Ī    Y1Ī    Z1Ī    [1Ī    \1Ī    ]1Ī    ^1Ī    _1Ī    `1Ī    a1Ī    b1Ī    c1Ī    d1Ī    e1Ī    f1Ī    g1Ī    h1Ī    i1Ī    j1Ī    k1Ī    l1Ī    m1Ī    n1Ī    o1Ī    p1Ī    q1Ī    r1Ī    s1Ī    t1Ī    u1Ī    v1Ī    w1Ī    x1Ī    y1Ī    z1Ī    {1Ī    |1Ī    }1Ī    ~1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    1Ī    