1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 14 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 630       Contents: Empty text module in library0 Hacker's Preferred Entry Point Is Tough To Close Re: HP Advocacy Site Jaw dropping EV7 systems% Re: Need GCC binaries for VAX VMS 5.5 ) New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ???  Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping& Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping and the FDA& Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping and the FDA Re: Patch installation RE: Patch installation* Scheduling an ingres procedure on vax/vms!I Still OT - now channel-hopping day trips [was RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping] M Re: Still OT - now channel-hopping day trips [was RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping] P Re: Still OT - now channel-hopping day trips [was RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping] Fl* Re: Tool for testing C/C++ code in VAX VMS> VAX/VMS v7.2, MicroVAX 3400, TZ88 DLT Tape - SCSI Controller ? Re: VMS Perl Help!3 Re: Want ODBC and JDBC? (Was: Re: HP Advocacy Site)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:51:13 -0000 2 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>% Subject: Empty text module in library 4 Message-ID: <ar02jq$9no$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Is this possible in any way ?   ( $ libr/tex lpddevctl nl:/mod=msap$ctrl_d  L ought to insert/replace a blank module. Instead it inserts a module with one blank line. G Not a big difference, but it's causing one of our printers to mishandle " jobs, because the first line isn't "%!PS-Adobe" like it expects.   J I'm using lpddevctl (which works well on most printers) - an lpddevctl.tlb6 to clone most of the functionality of msap$devctl.tlb.  - We use all the same forms for both protocols. F The problem is with the ps_plain form, which does nothing (just passes through postscript).6 For appletalk, it just sends a job separator (ctrl/d).E For lpd, it needs to send nothing, which is what I want to put in the K separator text module. Instead it sends a blank line, which is not the same  thing.  < Creating an empty file (rather than using nl:) doesn't help.L The re-extracted module has the spurious blank line, as does the output from the symbiont using it.  
 Thanks, Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2002 22:15:37 -08002 From: cwhii_google_spam@yahoo.com (C.W.Holeman II)9 Subject: Hacker's Preferred Entry Point Is Tough To Close < Message-ID: <77555df7.0211132215.beebd75@posting.google.com>  M A large chuck of Informationweek, July 9, 2002 is on security. There is a box J titled "Hacker's Preferred Entry Point Is Tough To Close" which contains a graph with this info:   )    What were the primary method of attack & %  or portals used when your company's    systems were compromised?) -- -------------------------------------- " 41 Exploited known OS vulerablitiy 25 Exploited known application 20 Misused valid account% 20 Unitended misconfig or human error   18 Exploited poor access control 17 DOS$ 15 Exploited unknown OS vulerablitiy 10 Guessed password   K Seems like an ad for VMS would have been well placed in this issue. Maybe a 6 similar graph but broken down by OS would be nice too.   --   C.W.Holeman II cwhii@5Julian5Locals.com Remove the fives.  http://also.as/cwhii   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2002 06:36:14 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site 3 Message-ID: <K7W8J2+QaD+h@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <3DD2C825.B8A806DE@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> writes:  > H > Should HP provide the interfacing to RMS (and perhaps other functions)> > ?   In the current situation I would say "maybe" rather thanJ > "definitely".  On the other hand if Java could provide low level hooks -J > perhaps that enable me to run DCL with Java commands spread through it -D > then the answer would definitely be "yes" because of the degree of# > integration with DCL and the CLI.  >   C    When you say RMS support, I'm interpretting it as primarily some F    access by key to keyed-indexed files.  That's the one big thing youG    can't do that's likely to make a real difference.  The other things  J    you can't do are mostly related to creating files other than stream-lf I    format.  I've had few problems reading other formats from Java; the C  K    RTL (used by the JRE) and RMS (used by the C RTL) just do it, just like      native C I/O.  ?    But I don't think we'll see quick action.  Years ago at a US E    DECUS symposium I specifically asked a member of the C team for C  B    extensions to access key-indexed files comparable to Fortran's.D    The answer I got was "No".  I think getting them for Java is just
    as likely.      C    And of course, we rolled our own for C and reused it many times.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2002 23:55:11 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ! Subject: Jaw dropping EV7 systems 3 Message-ID: <MHow7G0L7UTT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <a1Cdncr6qsYEeU-gXTWcpg@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:    > L > As I've pointed out before, Fred, Opteron is just about as vaporous as EV7J > (by the way, a few days ago Paul DeMone stated over at realworldtech.comK > that he had information that the EV7 announcement had been deferred until I > January, apparently not for any technical reason:  any light to shed on H > that?).  Both EV7 and Opteron are in the field, being used by ISVs andN > customers, and soon to appear - whereas what Intel may do with Itanic beyondJ > the three McKinley/Madison/Montecito stooges is *definitely* shrouded in > vapor. >   8 	Well ... if you are going to FUD up EV7, you might want 	to overlook the good stuff:  i http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&PostNum=1029&Thread=6&entryID=11617&roomID=11   / Paul DeMone (pdemone@igs.net) on 11/9/02 wrote:  --------------------------- L I think the EV7 systems are going to cause a lot of jaws to drop, the POWER4M design to be re-evaluated in a different, less positive light, and maybe even N stir up controversy again about Compaq killing Alpha in favour of IA64 (I mean6 by people that aren't already obsessed by this topic).    6 	Might I note he has his reputation on the line there.   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 04:49:28 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> . Subject: Re: Need GCC binaries for VAX VMS 5.5< Message-ID: <sXFA9.20116$6g.5459650@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Thomas Dzubin wrote:  * > I will download and try it out...thanks!  C  From the OpenVMS FAQ available from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:    [FAQ] H A mirror for work performed at the Progis company in Germany in porting = GCC (GNU C) to OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS VAX is available at:   *      * ftp://vms.gnu.org/progis_mirror/gcc0      * http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_gnu.htmlx(      * ftp://ftp.caltech.edu/pub/rankin/  I There are also updated header files for GCC on OpenVMS VAX that allow it  0 to work with TCP/IP Sockets and the HP C RTL at:  -      * ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/gcc281_u/   F The HP C compiler and other development tools are part of the OpenVMS I Hobbyist licensing program for non-commercial users, and these and other  I tools are available to commercial developers via the CSA partner program.  [/FAQ]  G The progis_mirror version is for 2.8.1 of GCC.  The most recent that I  C am aware of.  The source file for GCC.EXE appears not to match the  I binaries, and the binaries do not match the GCC CLD file, so you need to   use foreign commands.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:33:28 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>2 Subject: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ???+ Message-ID: <00A16F7B.A4815600.13@decus.de>   
 Just found at   1 http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/acu/readme.html # (AlphaServer Configuration Utility)     New items, November 2002 release   - New AlphaServer GS1280 models  - New AlphaServer ES47 models   < Strange -- these new models are not mentioned anywhere else.   Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:38:43 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping ) Message-ID: <3DD36F23.2FAB1C06@Omond.net>    Shane Smith wrote:  H > Going anywhere near central London, Brian? If so, swing past LiverpoolJ > street station. On the way in past the Horrendous Rusty Scrap Metal HeapJ > sculpture there's a specialist cheese shop that'll make your jaw hit theJ > ground. Or at least, there was when I worked just up the road from there7 > a few years ago. Can anyone confirm it's still there?   I Yep, it's still there (if it's the same one I think you're referring to).   ; Funny how all this discussion seems to make British cheeses ? sound  so good ... here in south-east UK, we tend to make trips ; over to France (Calais) to stock up on wine and cheese, the ; implication being that *our* cheeses are not up to the same > standard as the French ones.  Sure, some of our better cheesesC are good (Stilton, real Cheddar, Sage Derby), but a lot of them are % just as rubbish as the American ones.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:12:54 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping ; Message-ID: <01KOUXW8WXWI9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   8 > > Is Kraft's "Chez Whiz"  considered american cheese ? > = >    No.  But it is considered the but of a great many jokes.  > D > > (a bit like the rumour that 3M failed to develop a new glue, but2 > > it turned out to be usable for post-it notes). > H >    Originally they used paraffin for post-its but couldn't sell it to F >    the corporate execs as a viable product.  So they just left them K >    around the office until all the lower downs saw how usefull they were.   F I seem to recall reading in the excellent British music magazine Mojo A that, back in the early 70s, folks who used to hang out at Brian  H Wilson's pad (hey, if I talk about the error, I have to do it properly) B used to use cheeze whiz as one of their many drugs.  I'm sure the , propellant has heady psychedelic properties.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:24:25 -0500 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> # Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping O Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D528A39D@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>    Alton Brown RULES 8 http://www.foodtv.com/foodtv/recipe/0,6255,20964,00.html  8 http://www.foodtv.com/foodtv/recipe/0,6255,20963,00.html  8 http://www.foodtv.com/foodtv/recipe/0,6255,20970,00.html       -----Original Message-----, From: Shane Smith [mailto:ssmith@icius.com] * Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:39 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping     J Easier, maybe. Better tasting; personally, yeuck. It sticks to your tongueI too. Doing a proper cheese sauce from scratch may be a bit time consuming I and a touch tricky, but IMHO it's well worth it. In fact, it's one of the K few bits of "real" cooking I have actually bothered to learn. I'll stack my F bechamel and cheddar sauce against anything you can make with American cheese.    Shane    -----Original Message-----4 From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gerg.tamu.edu]* Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:31 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping     ' "Tom Cole" <tom.cole@sas.com> writes... B }Whereas American cheese food products pretty much revert to their= }constituent fats when you do anything interesting to them...   J Nonsense. "American" cheese is better for things involving melting it thanH "normal", unprocesses, cheese is. If you are going to make, for example,K macaroni and cheese I suggest you use it instead of plain old cheddar (from I which it is made - well, a very young cheddar type cheese anyway; that is F then shredded and heated and has emulsifiers, and often food coloring, added).   K The rest of the world just calls it "processed cheese". As processed cheese > goes, the typical "American" cheese is only lightly processed.   --- Carl    I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and J confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is J strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theI original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or J instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:22:27 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com># Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping 0 Message-ID: <01C28BB6.F8AF4520@sulfer.icius.com>  B That's an omission on my part Roy, I agree. The French cheeses areC excellent. I'm a particular fan of Brie, which once saved me from a E customs official at Dover (Long story). However, the Bloody Colonials D don't make crappy knockoffs of the French cheeses (at least not thatA I've seen), which is probably why I didn't think to mention them.    Shane    -----Original Message-----& From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net]) Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:39 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping      Shane Smith wrote:  H > Going anywhere near central London, Brian? If so, swing past LiverpoolJ > street station. On the way in past the Horrendous Rusty Scrap Metal HeapJ > sculpture there's a specialist cheese shop that'll make your jaw hit theJ > ground. Or at least, there was when I worked just up the road from there7 > a few years ago. Can anyone confirm it's still there?   D Yep, it's still there (if it's the same one I think you're referring to).  ; Funny how all this discussion seems to make British cheeses ? sound  so good ... here in south-east UK, we tend to make trips ; over to France (Calais) to stock up on wine and cheese, the ; implication being that *our* cheeses are not up to the same > standard as the French ones.  Sure, some of our better cheesesC are good (Stilton, real Cheddar, Sage Derby), but a lot of them are % just as rubbish as the American ones.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:44:07 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping ( Message-ID: <3DD3D2D7.3040304@rdrop.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote: H > I seem to recall reading in the excellent British music magazine Mojo C > that, back in the early 70s, folks who used to hang out at Brian  J > Wilson's pad (hey, if I talk about the error, I have to do it properly) D > used to use cheeze whiz as one of their many drugs.  I'm sure the . > propellant has heady psychedelic properties.  / Nitrous Oxide, most likely; same as Reddi-Whip.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:37:53 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> / Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping and the FDA ' Message-ID: <3DD3B541.F08291A3@vcu.edu>   G Sorry, HAD... sadly, the farm is gone, and Mrs. P is too. She quit when  her best cow died...   Jim Agnew wrote: > J > My folks on the farm has this little ole lady that came around in a 1950/ > Ford stickshift delivering homemade butter...  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:32:44 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> / Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping and the FDA ' Message-ID: <3DD3B40C.C358F4B1@vcu.edu>   H My folks on the farm has this little ole lady that came around in a 1950- Ford stickshift delivering homemade butter...   F It was so good I used to slice off hunks and eat it like cheese.  Man,& oh man it whupped anything avail now..   Jim    Bob Koehler wrote: > e > In article <BCEGLBGJDODLELBJIADKKEJPCCAA.dallen@nist.gov>, "Daniel Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes:  > 5 > > Anyone want to to guess which one Micky D's uses?  >  >    Look familiar? 	 >     / \ 
 >    /   \ >   /Once \  >  / Upon A\
 > /  A Time \ 
 > -----------  > C >    McD's uses a "custom blend".  Which pretty well describes most  >    brands of American Cheese.  >  > > + > >       Next stop: Butter or Oleo anyone?  > I >    Oh definitley butter.  I have an aunt and uncle who keep both on the C >    table because she won't eat margarine and he won't eat butter.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:40:36 -0000 2 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: Patch installation 4 Message-ID: <ar01vt$a0l$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:3DD320F9.E8BF359A@firstdbasource.com... > Bob Koehler wrote: > > H > > In article <aqtv84$bu8$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris Sharman"$ <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes: > > > F > > > Patches arrive with reboot required, so I keep them for January.K > > > Would it be safe to install them & not reboot, or am I better keeping  them > > > uninstalled ?  > > L > >    NO.  Systems can fail when patches are marked reboot required and the > >    reboot isn't done.  > I > Andsome patches require all systems in the cluster to be be running the E > same code so you must at least do a rolling reboot of your cluster.    Not seen many of those. J But 'rolling reboot' & 'rolling upgrade' implies a window and a tolerance.< Not the answer I wanted, but crystal clear, anyway - thanks.   Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:39:13 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Patch installation T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B59@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Chris,  C >>> But 'rolling reboot' & 'rolling upgrade' implies a window and a ? tolerance. Not the answer I wanted, but crystal clear, anyway - 
 thanks.<<<  , There are ways around these types of issues.  H If the application and/or database is cluster aware, then systems can be= scheduled for rolling reboots with zero impact on application H availability i.e.. no window and/or tolerance is required since there is3 no (none, nada) impact on application availability.   A Assuming DNS load balancing is used (TCPIP Services, Multinet and E TCPware all support this), then one simply sets a flag or does a $set H login/int=3D0 on the server marked for shutdown that says "allow currentG active connections to continue, but direct all new connections to other F systems in the cluster." In addition, stop batch queues on that systemF with $stop/queue/next" on that server specific execution queue so thatH new batch jobs submitted to the generic batch queue are started on otherE systems. When the current connections and batch jobs are completed on E that server, it can be shutdown. No impact on users. No restarting of ( any app's. No remounting of disk drives.  E Only other qualifiers might be that never-log-out users need asked to G logout and re-login and servers are sized such that remaining nodes can D adequately handle expected loads when one server is removed from the cluster for planned maint.  @ There might be few minor additional items to look at wrt to yourH specific environment, but you can see the point - with careful planning,F clustered systems can be scheduled for planned system reboots (tuning,G patches, HW maint etc) without ever telling the end users that a system  in the cluster is going down.   D We have Customers doing this today. It gives their Operational folksC much more flexibility in dealing with the planned maint type issues F (kernel tuning / patches, HW maint/upgrades) that are required for ALL
 platforms.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)        -----Original Message-----: From: Chris Sharman [mailto:chris.sharman@sorry.nospam]=20 Sent: November 14, 2002 6:41 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: Patch installation       > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:3DD320F9.E8BF359A@firstdbasource.com... > Bob Koehler wrote: > > H > > In article <aqtv84$bu8$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris Sharman"$ <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes: > > > I > > > Patches arrive with reboot required, so I keep them for January.=20 F > > > Would it be safe to install them & not reboot, or am I better=20
 > > > keeping  them > > > uninstalled ?  > > H > >    NO.  Systems can fail when patches are marked reboot required and the  > >    reboot isn't done.  > H > Andsome patches require all systems in the cluster to be be running=20C > the same code so you must at least do a rolling reboot of your=20 
 > cluster.   Not seen many of those. ? But 'rolling reboot' & 'rolling upgrade' implies a window and a G tolerance. Not the answer I wanted, but crystal clear, anyway - thanks.    Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2002 00:43:07 -0800/ From: prasad.chaubal@patni.com (prasad chaubal) 3 Subject: Scheduling an ingres procedure on vax/vms! = Message-ID: <842994ae.0211140043.462f16a0@posting.google.com>   - How I call my procedure at the Ingres prompt?  Hi1  Please help me out! ' I am new user of Ingres & vax/vms both. @ For my project I nedd to perform some manipulations on my ingresA database on a daily basis. How do I write an Ingres procedure for  that?  What is the command for it? * What is the language used ? Is it sql/4gl?- How I call my procedure at the Ingres prompt? * How I call my procedure at the vax prompt?) Do I have to make any exe file /com file?  How do I schedule it? 9 Can an Ingres procedure be scheduled dirctly from ingres? 
 Please reply!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:45:44 -0000 - From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> R Subject: Still OT - now channel-hopping day trips [was RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping]E Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CB080@tahiti.tinuk.com>    Come off it Roy!  H You just shove a couple of bottles of plonk and a round or two of cheeseH in the back of the tranny van and fill the rest up with fags and baccy - you old smuggler you!    ;^D    Cheers   Steve S    > -----Original Message-----+ > From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net]=20  > Sent: 14 November 2002 09:39 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping  >=20 >=20 > Shane Smith wrote: >=20> > > Going anywhere near central London, Brian? If so, swing=20 > past Liverpool=20 J > > street station. On the way in past the Horrendous Rusty Scrap Metal=20> > > Heap sculpture there's a specialist cheese shop that'll=20 > make your jaw=20@ > > hit the ground. Or at least, there was when I worked just=20 > up the road=20D > > from there a few years ago. Can anyone confirm it's still there? >=20? > Yep, it's still there (if it's the same one I think you're=20  > referring to). >=20@ > Funny how all this discussion seems to make British cheeses=20> > sound  so good ... here in south-east UK, we tend to make=20B > trips over to France (Calais) to stock up on wine and cheese,=20? > the implication being that *our* cheeses are not up to the=20 @ > same standard as the French ones.  Sure, some of our better=20@ > cheeses are good (Stilton, real Cheddar, Sage Derby), but a=207 > lot of them are just as rubbish as the American ones.  >=20 > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Nov 2002 14:52:33 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)V Subject: Re: Still OT - now channel-hopping day trips [was RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping]5 Message-ID: <ar0dbg$e3abk$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   8 In article <np77tukio7cq81nt8o4ifqdqe5fjdv8vi6@4ax.com>,( 	Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:4 > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:45:44 -0000, "Steve Spires"! > <Steve.Spires@torex.com> wrote:  >  >>Come off it Roy! >>J >>You just shove a couple of bottles of plonk and a round or two of cheeseJ >>in the back of the tranny van and fill the rest up with fags and baccy - >>you old smuggler you!  >  > Fags =  cigarettes > Tranny = Transit > + > Just in case the Yanks get confused!! :-)    Not some of us.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:35:24 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> Y Subject: Re: Still OT - now channel-hopping day trips [was RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping] Fl ' Message-ID: <3DD3B4AC.3784B3F7@vcu.edu>   F Thanks for the clarification....  I knew it *had* to be something like that...   ) like chundering after a bluescreen... ;-D   % (chundering = projectile vomiting...)    jim    Alan Greig wrote:  > 4 > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:45:44 -0000, "Steve Spires"! > <Steve.Spires@torex.com> wrote:  >  > >Come off it Roy!  > > K > >You just shove a couple of bottles of plonk and a round or two of cheese K > >in the back of the tranny van and fill the rest up with fags and baccy -  > >you old smuggler you! >  > Fags =  cigarettes > Tranny = Transit > + > Just in case the Yanks get confused!! :-)  >  > -- > Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2002 23:58:22 -0800  From: goality@suomi24.fi (Jussi)3 Subject: Re: Tool for testing C/C++ code in VAX VMS = Message-ID: <cb9da98b.0211132358.3731d32b@posting.google.com>   Q "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<aqt67r$o80$1@web1.cup.hp.com>... / > "Jussi" <goality@suomi24.fi> wrote in message 9 > news:cb9da98b.0211130115.3e3d9dfa@posting.google.com... 
 > > Hello, > > J > > I'm using GCC in VAX VMS, and I'm looking for a way to test C/C++ codeF > > for memory leaks etc. Does anyone know of a tool that could handleG > > that kind of testing in VAX VMS using GCC (for example, a tool like " > > Numega BoundsChecker in VC++)? > >  > > Thanks in advance, > > 	 > > Jussi  >  > Hello  > & > May be this in the freeware can help > I > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/callmon/aaareadme.txt  > 	 > Regards  >  > Grard   Thanks for the answer.  Q The software looks good, but it seems to be only for Alpha platform, not for VAX.    Jussi    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2002 06:10:54 -08006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)G Subject: VAX/VMS v7.2, MicroVAX 3400, TZ88 DLT Tape - SCSI Controller ? = Message-ID: <58ba0101.0211140610.5c0f4c38@posting.google.com>    Hi,   @ I need to connect a TZ88 20/40 DLT Tape drive to a MicroVAX 3400C running VAX/VMS. Having a bit of a problem identifying exactly what 2 controller is required. Can anyone please advise ?   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2002 07:44:07 -0800: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry) Subject: Re: VMS Perl Help! = Message-ID: <7f15589f.0211140744.73e4ee32@posting.google.com>   5 In article <ZmBA9.2695$uJ.109747@news2.east.cox.net>, -  "Jeremy Robbins" <jcrobbins2@cox.net> wrote:   ! > This script works great in UNIX   0 No it doesn't.  Here's what it does on Mac OS X:   craig% perl -wc foo.plO Global symbol "$FullFileName" requires explicit package name at foo.pl line 29.  <similar warnings snipped>G Global symbol "$line" requires explicit package name at foo.pl line 40. ? Unmatched right curly bracket at foo.pl line 50, at end of line  foo.pl has too many errors.   F which is of course the exact same result you'll get on VMS if you run D with warnings enabled.  And you do run with warnings enabled, don't  you?    @ If you end up needing VMS-specific help (which is not the issue A in this case) the mailing list vmsperl AT perl DOT org may prove   useful.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:49:00 -0000 2 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>< Subject: Re: Want ODBC and JDBC? (Was: Re: HP Advocacy Site)4 Message-ID: <aqv3l9$hmk$1$830fa78d@news.demon.co.uk>  B >     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/attunity/  I The download link on this page gives you a registration form, the post of  which seems to be broken.   F >     http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10723_na/10723_na.HTML  C Directs me to http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness/index.html to " download, but no download visible.  G >   AFAIK, these kits should also be included somewhere within the bits E >   on the CD-ROM disks that comprise the OpenVMS Alpha distribution.   - "E-Business Infrastructure" with the LP dist. K and it's local node access only, it seems (more available from Attunity...)    Chris    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.630 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ    LŪ     MŪ    MŪ    MŪ    MŪ    MŪ    MŪ    MŪ    MŪ    MŪ    	MŪ    
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