1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 634       Contents: Re: Atlant's rants...  Re: Atlant's rants...  Re: Atlant's rants... ' Re: backup: /since input file qualifier ' Re: backup: /since input file qualifier   Re: Capellas is new WorldCom CEO  Re: Carly reinvents HP yet again Re: DE602 and ucx 4.2 ec02+ RE: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995 + Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995  Going for authorised reseller  Re: HP Advocacy Site" Re: HP gains on supercomputer list" Re: HP gains on supercomputer list" Re: HP gains on supercomputer list' Re: Identifying an email user (VMSmail)  Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems JSP on Alpha Re: JSP on Alpha1 Re: JSP on Alpha (Jackson Structured Programming)  Re: Linking problem - need help  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS - Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ??? - Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ??? - Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ??? - Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ??? - Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ??? " Re: OpenVMS books : seeking advice" Re: OpenVMS books : seeking advice" Re: OpenVMS books : seeking advice OpenVMS in HP press release  RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping# OT: Medicare Was: Atlant's rants... 1 Re: Primary home block anywhere other than LBN 1? 1 Re: Primary home block anywhere other than LBN 1? % serial console on VAXstation 3100 M38 , Something totally OT, but here it is anyway. Re: test Re: Turnaround artist??? Re: Vax 4000-60 power supply  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 02 08:06:13 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: Atlant's rants...) Message-ID: <j5Jgv2mf0hB6@elias.decus.ch>   r In article <3dd52af7.34143415@news.demon.co.uk>, Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) writes:: > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:58:23 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig- > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  > C >>> > > > Care" in this country, much like the civilised world has? 8 >>> > >                                        ^^^^^^^^^N >>> > > That would work well. Then the government gets to decide what care you2 >>> > > get, who gets it, and who doesn't get it.  >>> > L >>> > All get that which is medically necessary.  What other real choice is  >>> > there? >>> H >>> Uhm.  Have you looked at the UK NHS lately?  They've certainly found >>> another way. >>J >>The discussion was limited to the "civilised world".  :-)  The UK is in H >>a class by itself in this and many other aspects.  As most Brits will $ >>tell you, it's not part of Europe.  	 ROTFLMHO!    >>I >>At the moment in Germany, there is a big discussion about cost-cutting  J >>in public health care (interestingly, shifting costs to the patients is 9 >>NOT an item being considered).  There is also a lot of  J >>party-politics--motivated mud-slinging, so that the opposition plans to I >>paint a worse picture than actually exists.  As was pointed out by the  D >>health minister herself, criticism claiming that it is worse than K >>country X is rather unbelievable from someone who, as most people do, is  C >>insured for being transferred to Germany in case of illness when  K >>travelling in country X.  I haven't seen anyone dying because they can't  I >>get treatment from cancer here.  It's like proportional representation  H >>with the anti-argument "look at the Weimar republic".  Apart from the K >>question of whether PR (and the lack of a 5% threshold) was the cause of  F >>its downfall, one can't ignore that PR functions much better than a 9 >>two-party (or a 1-party) system almost everywhere else.  > D > Can a public health service be run better than the UK NHS?  AlmostE > certainly, and without personal knowledge of Germany's system, I'll  > take your word for it. > C > *Must* a public health service be efficient, equal, and effective G > (which is the implication I read -- possibly incorrectly -- into your = > prior comment)?  The UK, at least, proves the answer is NO.  >    Let's try this one:   J http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/05/16/npar16.xml   ---Quote---    (Filed: 16/05/2002) - Health service 'has more managers than beds'    : Inefficient hospitals 'could do 300,000 extra operations'   K Britain's spending on the health service will overtake that of the European - Union average, Tony Blair promised yesterday.   M He told MPs: "We have set out precisely the targets we will reach by the time O of the next election and we've set out when we will hit, and indeed exceed, the  EU average for spending."   N Speaking during Prime Minister's Questions, Mr Blair was responding to chargesM from Iain Duncan Smith, the Tory leader, that additional investment was going ( on bureaucracy, rather than on patients.  M He said that productivity in the NHS had been in decline since Labour came to M office. Mr Duncan Smith asked Mr Blair: "Why are there now more managers than J beds in the NHS?" Mr Blair replied: "We have increased the number of beds.3 They've risen in the last year for the first time."   
 ---Unquote---   = Sorry, no points for spotting the dodge in the last sentence.   / How did I find the above quote? Hit Google with    nhs "more managers than beds"   N The surprise there was the second entry "Casualty review - "The BBC has become% a party political broadcast ... " at  ? http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/tv/tv_programs/casualty/_review/367119/    ---quote--- M Casualty is the BBC's own grown hospital drama. These days however it is more G to do with political drama, than hospital drama. After watching another E gruelling episode of death, stress and caring, I can only come to one D conclusion. The BBC has finally become blatant at being a New LabourI advertising tool. Tonight Casualty was bought to its knees. Corridors had L become full and Casualty could no longer cope with the flotsam and jetsam ofO Britain's health service. All very dramatic and harrowing, and Max had to close 
 Casualty.   H The coincidence is all too apparent. On Wednesday next is Gordon Brown'sO awaited budget. The budget that, he has promised, will outline his prescription N for saving the NHS. A prescription that many pundits are prophesying that willM mean the end of low taxation. Never fear though, increased taxes will; we are M assured, save our ailing health service. So the BBC helps out. Over dramatize L the worries of the middle classes, and soften them up for the blow that willH come. I have been sceptical about claims that the BBC was in New Labours pocket, but now I am agreeing.  
 ---Unquote---   0 Meanwhile, don't think that M$ are not involved.   http://www.google.ch/search?q=cache:tZBSvOre84AC:www.pharmafile.com/Pharmafocus/News/story.asp%3FsID%3D2012%26m%3D11+nhs+microsoft&hl=de&ie=UTF-8    ---Quote---  Concern over NHS-Microsoft deal  Thursday, November 01, 2001   K A new software deal with Microsoft has caused unease among NHS IT managers, : despite Government claims of an annual B#50 million saving  M The three-year deal will see Microsoft provide a single corporate licence for L the NHS, the largest single employer in the world, and is a rental agreement' covering a range of Microsoft products.   H Some managers have warned that the agreement could bind organisations toG Microsoft, affect the financial autonomy of NHS trusts and even present K logistical difficulties when licences run out if trusts want to change to a  different supplier.   N Part of the unease felt by IT managers centres around the rental nature of theM agreement. "At the end of the deal we will effectively have nothing," one NHS % IT professional told Computer Weekly.   N Announcing the deal in October, Health Minister Lord Hunt said: "The agreementM will deliver the most up to date software to improve the quality and delivery O of patient care through better IT support and will be followed by similar deals M with other suppliers to cover the full range of software packages used by the  NHS."   I The NHS Enterprise Agreement will see the single subscription replace the * 35,000 separate orders currently in place.
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 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2002 00:39:21 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Atlant's rants...- Message-ID: <87smy2aiti.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   "  VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  ? > In article <3DD3E8D9.F572CD7A@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt ' > <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:   D > >And you still don't see why we need "Single-Payer Health Care" in3 > >this country, much like the civilised world has?    " > Yeah.  That'll solve everything.  C No, but it will start to turn around the growing problem the US has B with TB and several other infectious diseases. The person you give? free heathcare to may be the one you breath in from tommorow...      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:16:14 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: Atlant's rants...+ Message-ID: <ar3h5u$o77$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   b In article <3DD53904.1000100@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: >G Everhart wrote: > & >And just to confuse things even more: > 7 >There are a world outside the US and in most countries 0 >the liberal versus conservative was replaced by/ >social democrats versus liberal & conservative . >after World War I ! And the terms liberal and. >conservative mean the same to most people and4 >only the very political interested knows the subtle
 >differences.  >  >Arne   ' And in the UK it's even more confusing.   ? The Conservatives seem to be becoming more and more right-wing. D The Labour party (traditionally a socialist party) has occupied the ( traditional ground of the Conservatives.M And the Liberal Democrats who have traditionally positioned themselves in the H middle are now on a number of issues (including raising taxes to pay for1 public services) to the left of the Labour party.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:00:35 -0500 ) From: Virginia Rogers <vrogers@umich.edu> 0 Subject: Re: backup: /since input file qualifier( Message-ID: <3DD52833.8080801@umich.edu>  D Thanks for all the help.  I guess it kind of makes sense to back up F files in a directory if the directory has been modified, and it looks G like I can use the /NOINCR qualifier to change the behaviour.  But, in  I my case, I still don't see why these files are getting backed up: I have  F a subdirectory named ANX.DIR.  The creation and modification dates of H the directory, *as well as all of the files in the directory*, are both E 13-APR-2001.  I tried using BACKUP/SINCE= with many different dates.  F Dates before 6-NOV-2002 caused all the files to be backed up, whereas I dates between 7-NOV-2002 and the present caused no files to be selected.     I can't understand this.   vrogers> sh time    15-NOV-2002 11:59:36  vrogers> dir/ful anx.dir   Directory DISK$USER:[VROGERS]   4 ANX.DIR;1                     File ID:  (14192,24,0)7 Size:            1/9          Owner:    [STAFF,VROGERS] " Created:   13-APR-2001 10:06:17.03& Revised:   13-APR-2001 10:06:17.11 (1) Expires:   <None specified> " Backup:    14-NOV-2002 13:10:26.63 Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified>  ...   E vrogers> backup [vrogers.anx]/mod/sin=yesterday [vrogers]tmp.bck/save F %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]*.*;*G vrogers> backup [vrogers.anx]/mod/sin=13-nov-2002 [vrogers]tmp.bck/save F %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]*.*;*G vrogers> backup [vrogers.anx]/mod/sin=12-nov-2002 [vrogers]tmp.bck/save F %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]*.*;*G vrogers> backup [vrogers.anx]/mod/sin=11-nov-2002 [vrogers]tmp.bck/save F %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]*.*;*G vrogers> backup [vrogers.anx]/mod/sin=10-nov-2002 [vrogers]tmp.bck/save F %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]*.*;*F vrogers> backup [vrogers.anx]/mod/sin=9-nov-2002 [vrogers]tmp.bck/saveF %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]*.*;*F vrogers> backup [vrogers.anx]/mod/sin=8-nov-2002 [vrogers]tmp.bck/saveF %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]*.*;*F vrogers> backup [vrogers.anx]/mod/sin=7-nov-2002 [vrogers]tmp.bck/saveF %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]*.*;*F vrogers> backup [vrogers.anx]/mod/sin=6-nov-2002 [vrogers]tmp.bck/saveB %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]1472365DY1RN.FMZ;1B %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DISK$USER:[VROGERS.ANX]2126282DY1RN.FMZ;1 ...      Bob Koehler wrote:V > In article <3DD3FA9C.4050602@umich.edu>, Virginia Rogers <vrogers@umich.edu> writes: > H >>I am using backup on OpenVMS 7.2-1, and I am trying to do incremental I >>backups.  The problem I'm having is that the /since qualifier does not   >>seem to be working.  >>5 >>Here is an example of the backup command I'm using: H >>BACKUP/RECORD DISK$USER:[VROGERS]*.*/MOD/SIN=1-NOV-2002 []TMP.BCK/SAVE >>K >>But, when I do this it is backing up all the files in the directory, not  K >>just the ones that have been modified since Nov 1.  I'm going crazy with  H >>this.  It seems so simple and straightforward, but I can't figure out H >>what I'm doing wrong.  I've looked at release notes, and haven't seen K >>mention of a problem.  It did seem to work if I used /SIN=YESTERDAY, and  J >>  there were some other dates I tried that worked, but most of the time  >>it didn't work.  >>5 >>Am I doing something really dumb?  Any suggestions?  >  > G >    IIRC if the directory date updates, all files in it will be backed F >    up.  I still don't know the rules for when the directory modifiedJ >    date gets updated (it's not when a direvtory entry is added/removed). >    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 2002 09:26 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 0 Subject: Re: backup: /since input file qualifier- Message-ID: <16NOV200209261951@gerg.tamu.edu>   W In article <27h8Ig+RpuFJ@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes... b }In article <+OIc0bUQURSR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:W }> In article <3DD50FF1.3090404@umich.edu>, Virginia Rogers <vrogers@umich.edu> writes: * }>> Thanks.  Where can I find the VMS FAQ? }>  = }> 	The same place you can find most anything.  I start here:  }>   }> 			http://www.google.com/ }> } D }I beg to differ. There are a lot of outdated versions listed there. }  } ) }> 	If interested in more official links:  }>  " }> 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ }>  C }> 	Look for "OpenVMS faq" (lower right under Service and Support).  }>   } 6 }http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html }  }>   }--  }Paul Sture  }Switzerland   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:31:11 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Capellas is new WorldCom CEO / Message-ID: <3DD5598E.717E0715@vl.videotron.ca>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: J > NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Former Compaq Computer Corp. CEO Michael CapellasL > said a statement from Capellas. "In order to do this, we must first regainL > trust and win respect. Accordingly, together we will rebuild WorldCom intoA > a model of good corporate governance and management integrity."     J Which immediatly brings to mind June 25 2001 and shows why Capellas is the" wrong person for Worldcom to hire.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:49:38 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Carly reinvents HP yet again / Message-ID: <3DD69341.EC20C8BF@vl.videotron.ca>    Bill Todd wrote:4 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/28110.html    J I find it interesting that the writer of the article made a big fuss aboutM Capellas' "sudden" departure and the fact that Carly didn't mention it. Jesus L Christ, there is nothing surprising about the ex CEO of the consumed companyI leaving the new owner. And secondly, what was Carly supposed to say ? "we H finally got rid of him" ? "If I were you'd I'd sell my Worldcom stock ?"    Y ##Fiorina informed Oracle's users, gathered in San Francisco, California, that prevailing H ##economic conditions  meant TCO and ROI are more important to them than technology innovations.   H Whether it is true or not, this is not something the CEO of a technologyE company should be saying. Especially when his Highness Gates keeps on ? pretending that innovation is so important to the wintel world.     Q ##"People misunderstand and still think this has been driven by cyclical economic G ##requirements, but this has long-lasting structural changes for the IT  industry," she said.    M No, the wintel boom of the 1990s is over. Folks have simply stopped replacing F their wintel equipment at the articicial rate of the 1990s when it wasN fashionable to do so, and when Microsoft forced folks to buy more powerful PCsS because the older ones weren't powerful enough to run Y2K-ready Microsoft software.   J But from an enterprise point of view, I am not so sure that there has been? such a dramatic change. It is just a slwodown due to recession.     J ##Defending Superdome and UX 11i in the wake of comments made against Unix
 systems byI ##Michael Dell  earlier in the week, she said: "No, I don't think Unix is  dead. Unix is D ##not growing as fast as Linux or NT, but it's  clear there's a real requirement for  ##high-end systems.   M Well, perhaps someone should tell Carly that Linux is Unix. She should simply I have said something such as : when you combine all Unix systems together, E including Linux, you see a greater growth rate than NT systems in the  enterprise market".    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:08:42 +1100 B From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@noooo_spammm_optusnet.com.au># Subject: Re: DE602 and ucx 4.2 ec02 < Message-ID: <3dd55476$0$12758$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>   Well, I have sort of solved it.  I have replaced the de602  with a de500 and reconfigured  it and it is now working.    I guess that because the card ( is an EI device, ucx was having problems# with it. It seems happy now that an  EWA device has turned up.   # I understand that with version 5 it  would have been ok.   % I will check out to see if that patch , was on the list of "vendor approved patches"     cheers   antony        B "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> wrote in messageA news:craigberry-E69CC7.17591914112002@news.directvinternet.com... > > In article <3dd42eb7$0$16997$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,F >  "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@noooo_spammm_optusnet.com.au> wrote: > < > > I have configured ucx 4.2 eco 4 on a ds20e running 7.1-2I > > and I can't seem to get outside the card. I have network connectivity . > > via decnet, but I can't get any ip access. > J > Do you have the option of installing the latest LAN ECO for your system: > K > <http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/dec-axpvms-vms712_l  > an-v0300--4.README>  > F > I have no specific knowledge that this would help but there's a long > list of fixes.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 02 08:29:11 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 4 Subject: RE: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995) Message-ID: <c$F8L2I5omyZ@elias.decus.ch>    In article <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3E18@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>, "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> writes:L > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand> > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > ) > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28CD6.25C172C0  > Content-Type: text/plain;  > 	charset="iso-8859-1"  > M > Please accept my apology on the MIME/rich text.  I had my billy box rebuilt  > to  J > my corporation's current standard, and I forgot to flip the switch/check > markN > to plain text.  (Note to self: Try harder to get corporate standard changed) >   - You have still not managed to suppress it :-(     --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:20:36 -0500 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 4 Subject: Re: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995/ Message-ID: <utap961h6nqvb2@news.supernews.com>   I "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> wrote in message G news:3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3E18@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM... E > Please accept my apology on the MIME/rich text.  I had my billy box  rebuilt  > toJ > my corporation's current standard, and I forgot to flip the switch/check > markE > to plain text.  (Note to self: Try harder to get corporate standard  changed) >   G It's difficult to accept your apology when you post it in MIME format!!   K However, I got your "will cost more" joke and I thought it was funny.  Even  when MIMEd.   J > As to the content of my post, I was perhaps unclear and obtuse in my ownG > amusing moment.  I was thinking the original poster might want to run  > something F > other (Linux, Tru64 or even perhaps an old NT Alpha image if that is > possible) thanH > OpenVMS on the trimmed down system from Island. Yes, hobbyist is quite valid  > and  > a great way to go. > I > I guess I just plumb forgot that there was a hobbyist program out there  for  > OpenVMS.  My bad!  >  > :) jck > John Koska >  > > -----Original Message-----< > > From: peter@langstoeger.at [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]- > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:38 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 > > Subject: RE: DS10 600Mhz Special this month USD 3995 > >  > >  > > In articleB > > <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D032C3DE9@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.CI > > OM>, "Koska, John C. (LNG-ALB)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com> writes: @ > > >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does > > not understand > > 6 > > Please, don't do this. No MIME and no TOFU here !! > > > > > >It will cost you more to run in the long term without the > > VMS Base license.  > > ><grin>  > >  > > Care to explain ?  > > 5 > > As a hobbyist, I'm interested in the answer also. H > > And I don't see why you think a hobbyist license is not a license... > >  > > -- > > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ) > > Network and OpenVMS system specialist   > > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atJ > > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:41:38 -0500  From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net>& Subject: Going for authorised reseller/ Message-ID: <utd0m5ivtu3o07@news.supernews.com>    Hi all  H We are going to contact Compaq/HP next week about becoming an authorised partner.  C We really would appreciate any comments or suggestions about Island 8 Computers US Corp that could help us in the application.I Comments in the way of POSTS to this NG would be good or direct emails as 
 testimonials. H No rude ones though please - if you would like to comment please keep it clean    Thanks   -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory St, Ste 180 Savannah GA 31404, USA Tel: (00) 1 912 447 662  Fax: (00) 1 912 201 0096 sales@hpaq.net www.islandco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:56:01 +0100 E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>  Subject: Re: HP Advocacy Site + Message-ID: <3DD51911.F42D0E15@mediasec.de>   ) > >       READ (10, KEYGE = "Joe") Record  > ( > SELECT * from file where keyge ='Joe';3 > does actually look less clumsy and awkward to me!    De gustibus...  N > And there is no high level RMS interface, such as the Fortran example above, > available in C in any case.   J That is more of an indictment of C than of RMS ISAM-file access, methinks.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:32:57 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Re: HP gains on supercomputer list I Message-ID: <Js8B9.93927$MGm1.78060@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message ( news:3DD5077F.C8870A6F@mindspring.com... > 5 >   I've forgotten, but isn't ASCI-Q an Alpha system?     C http://www.hoise.com/primeur/00/articles/weekly/AE-PR-09-00-44.html   L ASCI Q will consist initially of approximately 375 AlphaServer GS320 systemsK (approximately 12,000 Alpha processors) with EV68 CPUs running in excess of J 1,250 MHz on Compaq's Tru64 UNIX operating system. Almost the size of fiveK basketball courts (in excess of 21,000 square feet), the supercomputer will K be coupled together with more than 6,000 fiber and copper cables, will have D more than 600 terabytes of Compaq StorageWorks Modular Array storageG systems, and receive onsite 24x7 service and support. The NNSA also has K options to upgrade to future generations of Alpha processors (EV7 and EV8), : which would result in a 100 Tflop/s configuration by 2004.  L I wonder if the EV8 upgrade is contractually guaranteed, or did ChumHPaq pay= big money to buy themselves out of that potential obligation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:09:31 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: HP gains on supercomputer list K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1511022209310001@1cust215.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   I In article <Js8B9.93927$MGm1.78060@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, $ "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  @ >"Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message) >news:3DD5077F.C8870A6F@mindspring.com...  >>6 >>   I've forgotten, but isn't ASCI-Q an Alpha system? >  > D >http://www.hoise.com/primeur/00/articles/weekly/AE-PR-09-00-44.html > M >ASCI Q will consist initially of approximately 375 AlphaServer GS320 systems L >(approximately 12,000 Alpha processors) with EV68 CPUs running in excess of4 >1,250 MHz on Compaq's Tru64 UNIX operating system.   G The page is old.  This isn't the way ASCI-Q ended up being implemented.   ) Imagine a lot of ES45's mounted in racks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 03:51:21 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Re: HP gains on supercomputer list J Message-ID: <ZgjB9.100857$MGm1.82773@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message E news:rdeininger-1511022209310001@1cust215.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net... K > In article <Js8B9.93927$MGm1.78060@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, & > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: > B > >"Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message+ > >news:3DD5077F.C8870A6F@mindspring.com...  > >>8 > >>   I've forgotten, but isn't ASCI-Q an Alpha system? > >  > > F > >http://www.hoise.com/primeur/00/articles/weekly/AE-PR-09-00-44.html > > G > >ASCI Q will consist initially of approximately 375 AlphaServer GS320  systems K > >(approximately 12,000 Alpha processors) with EV68 CPUs running in excess  of5 > >1,250 MHz on Compaq's Tru64 UNIX operating system.  > I > The page is old.  This isn't the way ASCI-Q ended up being implemented.  > + > Imagine a lot of ES45's mounted in racks.     2 How was I to know? I don't have clearance at LANL.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:38:07 GMT 2 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@bogus.address>0 Subject: Re: Identifying an email user (VMSmail)E Message-ID: <PWcB9.8137$h37.1316@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3DD4A92C.405E7EA2@vl.videotron.ca...  > Scenario:  > L > foreign mail protocol wants to pull a record from a separate profile to be > used when sending an email.  > G > Now, when a user is on a cluster, he may be using any node to send an  email. > G > So, assuming a  cluster alias of CHOCOLAT , with nodes SWISS, FRENCH,  BELGIUM, GERMAN.  / BELGIUM is not a valid node name. Too long  <g>    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 02 09:57:02 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) % Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems ) Message-ID: <B+UISg53dTRs@elias.decus.ch>   b In article <3DD5E993.95074F99@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Paul Sture wrote: P >> this service is available exclusively to Swisscom customers in Switzerland atO >> specially labelled Coca-Cola vending machines where a 25 cent charge will be ; >> added to each purchase made at these vending machines. "  > O > We *had* banking by SMS in canada some time ago. It tanked. Why ? because you N > could do more by dialing the banks's 800 telephone number and punch about asL > many keystrokes though their automated system, compared to their fancy SMSK > based applications. But more importantly, the banks charged you $0.25 per N > transaction, whereas on the 800 number you could do as much as you wanted onY > your plan minutes (eg: no extra charge if you were within your monthly bank of minutes)  >    As you say, what's the point?    M > The mobile phone companies in north america are torn between the success of N > SMS in the rest of the world, and a culture here that doesn't quite tolerateA > pay-per-use. As soon as the companies try the european style of & > billing-per-use, their efforts fail. >   B When I got my first mobile here, SMS was quite expensive, then theB price dropped, loads of services were provided, and it really tookD off. An important part of that was the availability of pay-as-you-goB mobiles, meaning they were available to a much larger slice of the" population, especially schoolkids.  B Low budget? Use it as little as possible then, but it's there when% needed, and you are still a customer.    M > In Canada, prior to Fido removing their $2.00/per month SMS  package, there M > were a few providers of SMS-based services for free, including an email-SSM O > gateway, and information services such as stock quotes, weather and of course P > ring-tones. FIDO saw potential to make money out of those, cancelled the $2.00O > option, anc charged $0.10 per SMS sent and received. The 3rd party "freeware" M > providers (volunteers) were put out of business, and FIDO thinking it would I > have the market all to itself, setup its own subsidiary to handle these N > services. The subsidiary was wound down less than a year after it was formedA > because the market vanished even though they had advertised it.  >   E I have just checked, and the Swisscom prices are now SFr 0.20 (approx D 0.13 USD) per message sent, with free reception, regardless of whichF payment plan you are on. The free reception of messages is of course aF major difference, making services like stock price alerts very popular/ (well, that particular example was popular...).   P > A lot of those services are "cute" but make no business sense for the customer+ > when there are such high per-use charges.   D But if you had a pay-as-you-go model, without fixed monthly charges,B would that make a difference over there? I'll admit that my mobileF phone usage doesn't amount to much, but I save a fortune compared withC the monthly subscription model, so really don't mind paying that 20  cents whenever I feel like it.   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:11:50 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems 8 Message-ID: <00A17017.E068E0A2@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  m In article <20021115110556.27215.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: E >On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote:  >>Bill Todd wrote: > N >>> Sure - that's why Compaq killed their most profitable hardware platform 17 >>> months ago.  > F >>But..... There may be more factors determining "profit." And there'sH >>also shortterm versus longterm... And from what perspective.  Like theG >>stock-holders.  A sale of the company, could reap the stock-holders a:J >>huge short-term profit... Where-as, a slow, long term profitable product >>line, wouldn't.p >fJ >>And that's another reason why Curly could be seen as a "successful CEO".H >>Because he earned the stockholders a good chunk of short-term profits. > < >>It may not be "right" it may not be "fair." It's business. >cK >What happened to the idea that a business should continue to exist for theeK >next generation? Is it now assumed that any business will eventually cease E >to exist and you should squeeze as much money out of it as possible?  >e  M Well, just about.  (It's not required that it will eventually cease to exist,sL but the idea of the fiduciary responsibility of the management of a publiclyJ held company appears to have devolved to nothing more than "keep the stockN price up."  There's a lot wrong here, and there has been since the 1980s, whenF any company that didn't keep the stock price up high enough to make itD obviously unprofitable to mess with it became a target for a hostileF takeover and dismemberment.  (And leveraged buy out kings became mediaL darlings as well as very rich -- there's not a lot of social stigma attachedM to dismembering businesses.  Michael Milken went to jail for insider trading, G not for inventing "junk bonds" and financing takeover-and-dismemberment  operations.)    F It doesn't help even the most honest and community-oriented of companyD managements to face stockholder lawsuits if they don't make earnings projections.  G Somehow the (pernicious, to my eye) idea has been sold that everyone isyI entitled to make money in the stock market every quarter.  (And the whole-N social-security privatization idea, which the Republicans are _still_ pushing,O is based on the idea that this is not only possible but will continue forever.)AN If companies don't report earnings growth, their share prices go down; if thatH happens many quarters in a row, the managers are replaced (and generally without golden parachutes).n  N On the other hand, if as a manager you can sell the business to somebody else,O you may be able to structure the deal so that you personally get rich, possiblyd# at the expense of the stockholders.   J The naive observer (me, for example), would imagine that a company doing aL steady healthy business, even if it only got new customers in at a rate fastK enough to offset attrition, could be a worthwhile enterprise and allowed torL continue.  Under current conditions, only closely-held private companies are' allowed to continue that kind of thing.t  O So the largest companies in any field are likely to gobble up their competitorssF because they can't otherwise show enough growth to keep their managersO employed.  The managers of the smaller (publicly-traded) companies are incented M to sell out because they can personally get rich, while if they stay in therecO and don't show quarter-to-quarter growth, they may get sued and/or fired.  It'sdJ worth it for larger companies to buy and shut down competitors with better	 products.    I have no idea how to fix this.s   -- Alanh   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 2002 09:38 CSTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)w% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemsi- Message-ID: <16NOV200209381940@gerg.tamu.edu>   - p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes...aP }No special device is necessary and payments of this type can be made with everyM }mobile phone and with every Swisscom Mobile subscription. For the time beingrN }this service is available exclusively to Swisscom customers in Switzerland atM }specially labelled Coca-Cola vending machines where a 25 cent charge will be 9 }added to each purchase made at these vending machines. "c }--  }Paul Sture>  D A 25 cent charge added to the price of your dollar or less purchase?  F You too can pay more than 25% more than the item is normally sold for.E (Unless Cokes are seriously overpriced in Switzerland, which wouldn'toD surprise me - I've heard that food costs are something around double what they are in the US.)   & What idiot would pay such a large fee?   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:41:50 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>a% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems/; Message-ID: <wvgB9.16950$QD6.1614998@news20.bellglobal.com>l   At this URL:= http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?AID=RWT070101205659&p=30M the author states (with references) that EV7 has a total chip bandwidth of 44a@ MB/s while McKinley (Itanium-2) only has a bandwith of 6.4 MB/s.   <BLOW OFF STEAM MODE>e  N I read somewhere that the marketing bozos at Compaq were coveting marketing atL Dell but we all know that Dell is just a system builder/integrator and not aH system inovator. If the bandwidth spec above is factual, then it must be2 stated that one or both of the following are true:  J 1. Compaq management forfeited their huge lead just to "dumb down" to Dell. (something I have seen market types do before)  N 2. Someone in Compaq management had to know that EV7 was that far ahead of theJ rest of the industry. Since it would have been child's play to market thisK advantage by reducing profit margins for 1-12 months, I have to assume thatfM Compaq management was paid off to kill EV8 (warning: I also watch the X-filesg* and think the "Lone Gunmen" are for real).  . You can find many Alpha related articles here:H http://www.realworldtech.com/listing.cfm?section=columns&subject=insiderN but beware. When you're done reading them you'll feel like you've been punchedL in the gut and the only thing that you'll want to do is to find a picture ofI Michael Capellas and start throwing darts (other ideas are too violent to 	 publish).c   </BLOW OFF STEAM MODE>    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 04:06:18 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemseJ Message-ID: <_ujB9.101002$MGm1.15782@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messaged, news:z72dncTpgY1PHUigXTWcpw@metrocast.net... >  >aI > Well, 5x the previous throughput is nice and all that, but WHAT IS THISu > APPLICATION DOING??? > @ > I mean, 12.5 FX (Financial Exchange?) transactions per second?   FX = F/X = foreign exchangei  A I am not familiar with the specific of this application but theirsF transaction rate *may* also include SWIFT messaging in addition to theE original deal capture between the counterparties. SWIFT is a pig of as+ protocol, done over x.25 or now via TCP/IP.   K In F/X trading there is the original deal done in the 'front office', whichoI may be conducted over the telephone of via a dealing network, followed bytK the settlement instructions between the parties - and this part of the deal.J is done via the 'back office' for reasons of security, accountability, andI auditability. Both sets of instructions have to be processed in order forr* the business transaction to be consumated.  K Having written several systems that inteface with SWIFT over the years, and K having written OLTP trading systems for equities,fixed income, derivatives,aK and f/x  - several of which did in excess of 1000 tps, this WSS seems a bito slow.d     Even if theyH > were strictly serial (no intra- or inter-transaction parallelism), you couldtI > do over a dozen small accesses per transaction to a single 15 Krpm disku andyL > still get that level of throughput.  Assuming that transactions can by and? > large be processed in parallel (even if they have no internal 
 parallelism), H > there could easily be hundreds of disk accesses per transaction and it still E > wouldn't tax the resources of a relatively modest mid-range system.o >CJ > So without in any way questioning the awesome capabilities of Marvel, if WSSdI > needs it for this application then said application sounds suspiciouslyq likeH > a great, honking pig - not only in I/O (since just having enough disks could H > handle that) but in CPU as well.  I envision something that could have beenC > based on RMS instead using an unoptimized Oracle base plus reallyi
 uninspired > data manipulation... >s > - bill >s >r >t   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 02 18:45:22 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)v% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemso) Message-ID: <XRAcfxoyR55$@elias.decus.ch>l  W In article <16NOV200209381940@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:G/ > p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes...pR > }No special device is necessary and payments of this type can be made with everyO > }mobile phone and with every Swisscom Mobile subscription. For the time beingiP > }this service is available exclusively to Swisscom customers in Switzerland atO > }specially labelled Coca-Cola vending machines where a 25 cent charge will bet; > }added to each purchase made at these vending machines. "t > }-- 
 > }Paul Sturee > F > A 25 cent charge added to the price of your dollar or less purchase? >   O Probably a bit more than a dollar. This summer I was catching the train to work N and was thirsty. A small bottle of water came in at something like SFr 3.80 atI the newsagents stand at the train station (1 USD roughly equals 1.5 SFr). L Shoot, I pay less than that in a cafe/restaurant for a bigger bottle, with a% table to sit at and waitress service.o  K 15 minutes before the next train, so I ducked down to the small supermarketj downstairs.n  & Same bottle of water - 60 Swiss cents!  aH > You too can pay more than 25% more than the item is normally sold for.G > (Unless Cokes are seriously overpriced in Switzerland, which wouldn'tsF > surprise me - I've heard that food costs are something around double > what they are in the US.)b >l  ; Depending on the food, it can be expensive. I was seriouslyl> shocked at the price of a small chicken (whole) when I arrived9 here until I realised I could pay similar for a couple ofl2 chicken breast fillets in the UK in a supermarket.  ' The chicken here tastes a _lot_ better.t  e( > What idiot would pay such a large fee?  1 I believe this one is aimed at tourists. No locala will do that unless desperate.   -- a
 Paul Sture Switzerlandr   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:56:27 -0500t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemsn/ Message-ID: <3DD694DA.2A466D23@vl.videotron.ca>h   Paul Sture wrote:pF > But if you had a pay-as-you-go model, without fixed monthly charges,* > would that make a difference over there?  I The mobile phone companies did go nuts over prepaid services, at least inuH Canada, but quickly realised that they didn't make as much money as withG postpaid monthly packages, so now they are marketing postpaid services.s  M Here, because you pay to send and receive, a transaction to get a stock quoteiM costs you 0.20 (one to send the request, and one to receive it). And it costsnL the service provider the same. Hence, 3rd partty providers stopped existing.  J The mobile company here was shortsighted and looked only at the short termL money potential and not the need to have 3rd party providers do the world ofJ providing those services (and giving them free access to their SMS system,J since that would generate revenus on the consumer side whenever he sends a	 request. d  L But with those services gone, the mobile gets no revenus from such services.I Reminds me of Digital which didn,T realise the need to provide affordablet development systems/compilers.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:54:17 +0000 (UTC)w/ From: "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com>1 Subject: JSP on Alpha11 Message-ID: <ar5pn9$ssq$1@knossos.btinternet.com>i  9 Does anyone know where I can get a JSP Package for Alpha?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:40:32 +0100x6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: JSP on Alphao) Message-ID: <3DD69120.2080304@vajhoej.dk>c   Rob Heyes wrote:  <  > Does anyone know where I can get a JSP Package for Alpha?     JSP engine:o8     Tomcat is availabel for VMS in several versions from     different sources.  6     The CSWS_JAVA kit contains a version of Tomcat and&     is officially supported by Compaq.  2     I run the JBoss + Tomcat bundles. Works great.  6     You can download and install any version of Tomcat;     yourself. If you have latest JDK + latest VMS patches +/:     install on an ODS-5 disk, then I would expect problems     to be minimal.   JSP editor::A     Compaq has ported NetBeans to VMS. I am sure it supports JSP.2  <     I recall reading about Oracle JDeveloper running on VMS.  -     EDT/EVE/LSE can also write JSP files !!!!v   Arne  < PS: I recently created a mail-list for VMS & Java questions.>       So far not much activity. But I still hope. You can find4       details at http://www.vajhoej.dk/arne/vmsjava/   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:56:22 +0000 (UTC)r/ From: "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com>r: Subject: Re: JSP on Alpha (Jackson Structured Programming)/ Message-ID: <ar64cm$i91$1@helle.btinternet.com>i  I Thanks for this, but I mean JSP as in Jackson Structured Programming, not  Java. Sorry!  0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message# news:3DD69120.2080304@vajhoej.dk...b > Rob Heyes wrote: > > >  > Does anyone know where I can get a JSP Package for Alpha? >i >i
 > JSP engine:c: >     Tomcat is availabel for VMS in several versions from >     different sources. >m8 >     The CSWS_JAVA kit contains a version of Tomcat and( >     is officially supported by Compaq. >w4 >     I run the JBoss + Tomcat bundles. Works great. >t8 >     You can download and install any version of Tomcat= >     yourself. If you have latest JDK + latest VMS patches + < >     install on an ODS-5 disk, then I would expect problems >     to be minimal. >s
 > JSP editor:vC >     Compaq has ported NetBeans to VMS. I am sure it supports JSP.I >E> >     I recall reading about Oracle JDeveloper running on VMS. >,/ >     EDT/EVE/LSE can also write JSP files !!!!> >I > Arne >t> > PS: I recently created a mail-list for VMS & Java questions.@ >       So far not much activity. But I still hope. You can find6 >       details at http://www.vajhoej.dk/arne/vmsjava/ >d >  >d   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 2002 08:41 CSTd' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ( Subject: Re: Linking problem - need help- Message-ID: <16NOV200208415409@gerg.tamu.edu>c  = "Robert TRAWISKI" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes...gA }It works ! But there was small error in your hint. It should be:@ }  }$ MC SYSMAN }PARAM USE CURRENT }PARAM SET CHANNELCNT 'value'n }PARAM WRITE CURRENT }EXITr }  }Thank you ! }  }Robertw  A The problem is that you really shouldn't ever actually do this ifvB you can avoid it. (Experimenting with dynamic parameters, changingB only the active configuration, is one thing - changing the current; on-disk configuration that will be used on the next boot isi1 another thing entirely. Beware the dreaded typo.)h  ? The next time you autogen the system (and you should do it from	= time to time) you may very well undo your change and have the"@ problem again (and possibly not remember exactly what you set itC to in order to get it to work - or if you are no longer the managerrE of this system, how is your successor supposed to know what you did). C Also, for some of the parameters if you change one without changing>D some other ones you can cause yourself a variety of problems (mostlyC minor, but still...). Autogen does a lot of that balancing for you.K  < You should try to only make changes to system parameters via" the sys$system:modparams.dat file.  ; In this case, I'd suggest that you put a line in there likep   MIN_CHANNELCNT = value  / where "value" is the value that you used above.o   Then do an autogen.m   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:54:23 GMTy- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>h$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS< Message-ID: <zvwB9.23263$6g.6404635@news1.news.adelphia.net>   JF Mezei wrote:d  G > SYSPRV essentially gets you access to any/all files. So it is a very 4 > powerful privilege..   Yes.  G > However, it is used for many other purposes. For instance, the MAIL$  F > routines, you need SYSPRV to change the "FROM" line of a message youE > are sending. And I believe that TCPIP services , you need SYSPRV to " > create a socket on a known port.  B I can see that having SYSPRV to impersonate another user for MAIL.  E However the last time I looked at the TCPIP documentation, only OPER i8 privilege was needed to create a socket on a known port.   -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion OnlyS   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2002 01:10:17 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ???- Message-ID: <87k7jeahdy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   + labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr> writes:i   > Michael Unger wrote:  n > > Just found atn  5 > > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/acu/readme.htmlu' > > (AlphaServer Configuration Utility)r  $ > > New items, November 2002 release  # > > - New AlphaServer GS1280 modelsl! > > - New AlphaServer ES47 modelse  @ > > Strange -- these new models are not mentioned anywhere else.   C > I know a guy who has already done a benchmark on a GS 1280, but It > did'nt knew the ES47.h  @ The ES47 is a follow on to the ES40/ES45, but with EV7 CPU pairs as the basic building block.   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:26:00 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ???/ Message-ID: <3DD55858.72AD8182@vl.videotron.ca>s   Mike Kier wrote:J > But keep in mind that there's a *whole* lot more to a product launch forK > systems designed for the VMS and Tru64 markets than just getting the base-M > hardware running.  You've got a sales force to train around configuring the  > systems  [etc etc]    N Where there is a will, there is a way.  HP/Compaq could have easily begun that\ process long ago so that everyone would be ready the monute the hardware is ready/finalised.  M They may have structured the management aspect exactly to lengten the time to > market for EV7 to give it a delay comparable to Intel's IA64.   M I am still not convinced that HP/Compaq acted in a way to bring EV7 to markete as fast as possible.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:45:38 GMT + From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com> 6 Subject: Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ???2 Message-ID: <S1dB9.35$Zm.1914948@news.cpqcorp.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messaget) news:3DD55858.72AD8182@vl.videotron.ca...e > Mike Kier wrote:L > > But keep in mind that there's a *whole* lot more to a product launch forH > > systems designed for the VMS and Tru64 markets than just getting the baseK > > hardware running.  You've got a sales force to train around configuringe the  > > systems  [etc etc] >v >hK > Where there is a will, there is a way.  HP/Compaq could have easily begun1 thatJ > process long ago so that everyone would be ready the monute the hardware is ready/finalised.  >cL > They may have structured the management aspect exactly to lengten the time to? > market for EV7 to give it a delay comparable to Intel's IA64.  >tH > I am still not convinced that HP/Compaq acted in a way to bring EV7 to market > as fast as possible.  E I'll defer to your depth of experience in merging multibillion dollar3+ multinational corporations on this one, JF.C   --	 Mike Kiern0 Consultant, HP Consulting & Integration Services Cincinnati, OH, USAc mike.kier@hp.com  ' "Practice random acts of VMS marketing"r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:20:23 -0500C. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>6 Subject: Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ???. Message-ID: <3DD57327.2E53184C@pressenter.com>   JF Mezei wrote:o >  > O > I am still not convinced that HP/Compaq acted in a way to bring EV7 to market. > as fast as possible.      D That... we'll probably never know.... Of course HP/Compaq could haveF spent more resources on R&D... But they didn't.... and there's nothing! we can do about it... spilt milk.     D I for one am happy that I'll probably get a couple of these boxes to play with....     C The best we can hope is better performance on the part of HP in the  future.      Lyndon     -- <G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my0	 employer.0    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:51:21 -0500t2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)6 Subject: Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ???K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1511022151210001@1cust215.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>e  P In article <ar2ugh02gjn@drn.newsguy.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:  O >The first test build of an EV7 GS1280 was over a year ago. I am surprised that P >it has taken around 18 months to bring it to market given that it was described >as having "no show-stoppers".  : I suspect whoever described it that way was full of beans.  I >>As far as keeping them secret... This is the first time in 4 years thati > K >Te first use of the term GS1280 (deliberately jokey) in comp.os.vms was 11sO >months ago by myself. And I'd already sat on the term for some time as we wereKM >asked not to mention directly that Compaq had anything above a 64 (or was itoO >32?) EV7 processor box already running. The term GS1280 was used by the Compaqn >engineer who described it.j  F Again, I guess these statements were delivered with at least a partialG dose of "wishful thinking".  I saw a 4 processor prototype running (far H from perfectly) almost exactly a year ago.  "Larger than 32P" would have been fantasy at that point.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:03:07 -0600o7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>i+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS books : seeking adviceoG Message-ID: <craigberry-2ED46F.14030715112002@news.directvinternet.com>   8 In article <40jatukpq90ohm1u40j91pheanoajlkdlu@4ax.com>,+  Georges A. Tomazi <gt@diapason.com> wrote:i   > Hi - > H > On 15 Nov 2002 08:55:10 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > wrote: >  > [...]e > $ > Thanks to you all for your advice. > E > BTW, I found one of the three I was mentionning in my original postt > available as PDF on the net :- > $ > http://www.snee.com/bob/opsys.html >  > It's really worth looking. > 3 > Far from exhaustive but very useful as a starter.-  > A quick look suggests that yes, it provides some fairly clear H introductions to basic end-user utilities.  Be aware, though, that it's D ten years out of date and not completely accurate.  For example, it  says Rdb does not use SQL!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:38:43 +0100 ) From: Georges A. Tomazi <gt@diapason.com> + Subject: Re: OpenVMS books : seeking advicei8 Message-ID: <40jatukpq90ohm1u40j91pheanoajlkdlu@4ax.com>   Hi -  F On 15 Nov 2002 08:55:10 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   [...]   " Thanks to you all for your advice.  C BTW, I found one of the three I was mentionning in my original post  available as PDF on the net :   " http://www.snee.com/bob/opsys.html   It's really worth looking.  1 Far from exhaustive but very useful as a starter.4   Georgesa   --$ Georges A. Tomazi - gt@sunwizard.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:12:02 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)i+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS books : seeking advicet1 Message-ID: <3dd570ff.111115776@news.process.com>a  P On 15 Nov 2002 13:36:48 -0800, jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) wrote: >iG >Some of my recommendations are old but the basics are there. There are1% >new versions of some of these books.y >s >m >Recommendations:  >n: >VMS:                 VAX/VMS Operating Systems Concepts, 8 >                              David Donald Miller, 1992B >VMS File System:     VMS File System Internals, Kirby McCoy, 1990E >VMS IO:              VAX I/O Subsystems: Optimizing Performance, Kenl >Bates 1991 @ >DCL:                 VAX/VMS Writing Real DCL Programs in DCL, < >                              Paul C. Anagnostopoulos, 1989@ >VMS General:         A Beginner's Guide to VAX/VMS Utilites and
 >Applicationsr< >                     Ronald M. Sawey & Troy T. Stokes, 1989 > C There's also a new book, GETTING STARTED WITH OPENVMS, published by0B Digital Press and written by Michael Duffy (one of my co-workers).   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/C8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:41:09 -0500h5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>.$ Subject: OpenVMS in HP press release* Message-ID: <ar383b$acf$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2002/021114d.html   L Computershare Expands Investment in HP StorageWorks Technology to Strengthen! Global Operations and Fuel Growthr      PALO ALTO, Calif., Nov. 14, 2002L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----  J HP (NYSE:HPQ) today announced that Computershare, a global stock registry,E has selected HP StorageWorks storage technology to optimize financialtI operations across 14 countries. As part of the company's high-performanceiG and expandable solution, Computershare also has selected HP AlphaServere  systems and HP ProLiant servers.  B Computershare fueled its growth with unique financial products andH complementary acquisitions since its establishment in 1978 in Melbourne,G Australia. The only share registrar/transfer agent operating worldwide,MK Computershare maintains more than 61 million shareholder accounts and lookst, after shares valued at trillions of dollars.  I "Given the number of accounts we maintain and the sheer number of dollars J that depend on our service, we absolutely must keep our data assets secureF and always available to those who need it," said Martyn Drake, generalG manager of Computershare Technology Services in the United Kingdom. "We<@ place our trust in HP StorageWorks systems to make that happen."  K Computershare's IT staff balances user activity evenly across all computersGJ so that either site has enough capacity to operate the full business load.K The main site is located outside of Bristol, England, and the recovery sitemI is approximately 13 miles away. Both incorporate diversely routed storageg9 area network (SAN) switches to protect against a failure.t  I "The ability to support multiple heterogeneous platforms with centralizedCL storage is critical," said Gary Paramore, operations manager, Computershare.C "When we factor in the expansion, management and disaster toleranceeE capabilities of our StorageWorks SANs, along with our ability to move J technology between computer platforms as needed, Computershare realized an( excellent return on our IT investments."  I Computershare employees are using their storage infrastructure to support-E use of the company's share registration application, called SCRIP, toh? maintain shareholder accounts and manage takeovers, mergers andaL demutualization. The Computershare IT staff configured the SCRIP applicationH for its production, handover and development environments in multi-site,& disaster-tolerant HP OpenVMS clusters.  E "Our StorageWorks ESA systems have given us great service for severaleH years," said Paramore. "We're also gaining abundant storage capacity andL generous flexibility from our StorageWorks EMA system. The system gives us aK high-density solution in a relatively small footprint by housing four pairs L of HP StorageWorks HSG80 controllers, 12 disk shelves and 168 universal disk drives."  K The company's storage portfolio includes HP StorageWorks Enterprise ModularhL Array 16000 systems and Enterprise Storage Array 12000 systems configured inL fully redundant, dual-site SANs. More information about HP's network storage offerings is available ato: http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/prodserv/storage.html.  < More information about Computershare Limited is available at  http://www-au.computershare.com.   About HP  H HP is a leading global provider of products, technologies, solutions andE services to consumers and businesses. The company's offerings span ITgJ infrastructure, personal computing and access devices, global services andJ imaging and printing. HP completed its merger transaction involving CompaqK Computer Corporation on May 3, 2002. More information about HP is availablea at http://www.hp.com.     L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----  I This news release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks,hF uncertainties and assumptions. All statements other than statements ofC historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward-looking H statements. Risks, uncertainties and assumptions include the possibilityE that the market for the sale of certain products and services may notoK develop as expected; that development and performance of these products andhL services may not proceed as planned; and other risks that are described fromJ time to time in HP's Securities and Exchange Commission reports, includingK but not limited to HP's quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended H July 31, 2002 and reports filed subsequent to HP's annual report on FormK 10-K, as amended on January 30, 2002, for the fiscal year ended October 31,tI 2001. If any of these risks or uncertainties materializes or any of thesepL assumptions proves incorrect, HP's results could differ materially from HP'sG expectations in these statements. HP assumes no obligation and does nots& intend to update these forward-looking   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 02 09:00:48 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)d# Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping ) Message-ID: <agaC9$9Rt1pB@elias.decus.ch>s  W In article <01C28CE0.B603CAE0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:rJ > There's a quote from the radio version of the Hitch Hiker's Guide to theF > Galaxy that springs to mind here, but it could be taken as seriouslyI > rude rather than funny. (HHGTTG afficionados:* Why do humans like driedn > leaves in boiling water?)D >e   Because they like it?   eJ > I've been introducing Americans to european cheeses since 1997, and I'veF > found most had only ever tasted the local stuff before. After tryingF > some of the good stuff, they understood why I started chuckling when& > California cheese adverts are shown. >t  I I've had successes introducing English cheeses to the Dutch (a revelationcG for them in contrast to Edam style cheeses), the French, and the Swiss.hF Wensleydale ( www.wensleydale.co.uk ), Lancashire, Cheddar and Stilton spring to mind.o  H Here's a new one for you: Gjetost, a Norwegian goats' milk cheese. AvoidK the "Ski Queen" brand though, as it has a kind of stale taste in comparisoneJ with the gen stuff. Excellent for sandwiches and goes well with everything  from tomatoes to strawberry jam!   6 > Advert voiceover: Great cheese comes from happy cowsG > Shane's silent addendum: ...and the local ones are fraggin' suicidal.. >  > Shanet > @ > *=If you know the quote, I'm not worried about sense of humour > deficiency...[  # American cheese has no culture? :-)  >  -- r
 Paul Sture Switzerland.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:51:02 -0500h0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping / Message-ID: <3DD69395.A279D74D@vl.videotron.ca>>   Paul Sture wrote: % > American cheese has no culture? :-)   4 What's the difference between The USA and yoghourt ?  3 Yoghurt has culture ... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2002 00:36:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: OT: Medicare Was: Atlant's rants...0 Message-ID: <87wuneaixq.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  " "Ar Ya" <ar14ya@yahoo.com> writes:  F > In article <3DD403CF.A320C1A3@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt wrote: > > Ar Ya wrote:  @ > >> Because I don't want to pay for your pet government programE > >> (undoubtedly administered inefficiently at best and in a corrupta > >> fashion at worst)  F > > Ahh, another famous "big lie" surfaces. When you look at the moneyE > > lost to administrative overhead, Medicare usually (always?) comeso6 > > out looking far better than any "for profit" plan.  < > > Did you not know this or were you just hoping we didn't?  E > I don't know anything about Medicare in particular.  I was speakingoF > generally.  But if what you say is true, then it would surely be oneF > shining example among many to the contrary.  At least, that's what IA > believe.  I have no hard data either way -- I'm just a computerl > geek.e  C Well, if you mean our late lamented Medicare, then yes, the AuditoreB General did conclude that it was the lowest overhead program ever.  ; There was a niggle in that they had aquired the IBMs on theiE understanding that they would continue on, and when Howard kneecappeddC it, the premature ceasation left a big pile on the books. AIR, theyiF re-did the figures with the then current IBM lease rates or some such.  A As this was 75-76 or so, it is only available in dead tree form In suspect.   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2002 00:52:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>: Subject: Re: Primary home block anywhere other than LBN 1?- Message-ID: <87of8qai72.fsf@prep.synonet.com>c  # jsewell@iu.net (Joe Sewell) writes:o  C > According to Kirby McCoy's VMS File System Internals book, a homesA > block can be on any of the 1+n*delta (where delta is calculatedf > based on geometry).e  wF > Will VMS detect a valid home block if the one on LBN 1 of the volumeF > is not a valid home block?  (My preliminary tests indicate it won't,* > but that contradicts McCoy's statement.)   A > I ask this because I'm working on a tool that needs to detect atC > Files-11 disk vs. a "UNIX" disk.  I've had to go to reading LBN 1mC > and doing a check, again based on McCoy's guidelines, for a validsA > home block.  I'm wondering, though, if I need to scan 1+n*delta  > blocks, just in case?a  E Is that an ODS-1, ODS-2 or ODS-5 value of Files-11? Ther is a utilityf1 that does just what you want, it is called MOUNT.s   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:57:32 GMTS* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>: Subject: Re: Primary home block anywhere other than LBN 1?2 Message-ID: <0ddB9.36$_o.2010265@news.cpqcorp.net>   Joe Sewell wrote:w >eC > According to Kirby McCoy's VMS File System Internals book, a homedG > block can be on any of the 1+n*delta (where delta is calculated basedc > on geometry).o >eF > Will VMS detect a valid home block if the one on LBN 1 of the volumeF > is not a valid home block?  (My preliminary tests indicate it won't,* > but that contradicts McCoy's statement.)  I The runtime file system ($MOUNT) has all the smarts to locate backup homeiK block.  However, during bootstrap, the primitive file system is used, which-* assumes the home block is always at LBN 1.  H If your disk does not boot, mount the disk on another system and attempt repair with $ANAL/DISK/REPAIR.  H One of these days, we will eventually get around to making the primitive8 file system smarter about finding alternate home blocks.       Paul A. Jacobi Hewlett Packard Companya! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698.$ Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:41:44 +0100l( From: Torsten Reichert <news@wanano.net>. Subject: serial console on VAXstation 3100 M38) Message-ID: <3DD612D8.7060000@wanano.net>e   Hello   I I got a VAXstation 3100 M38, to test my software on POSIX conformance on tK different systems. So I do not want to have monitors for all that machines n& standing around. The boxes are enough.  8 1) Does anybody know, where I can get an adapter for the8 - vax serial cable with that assymmetric phone-like jackC - to a serial cable for RS232 to connect to a PC as a boot console.1  ' 2) I need a Null-modem cable, correct ?n  F 3) What are the default parameters for the connection ( 9600, N, 1 ) ?   Thank you very much    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 2002 17:55:38 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.o5 Message-ID: <ar60qp$fg264$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>n  < I realize this is totally OT, but this is a good and diverse& group and the curiosity is killing me.  ? How many people here saw the local "arrival of Santa Claus" andW> therefore, the beginning of the Christmas shopping season this@ weekend (as opposed to the traditionl Thanksgiving weekend which is still two weeks away)??  @ Is this an attempt to bolster the numbers for Christmas sales so> that the economy can be painted in a better light or is it yet! another stupid local trick here??n  = Hope no one minds.  If you think they might, just reply to mee	 directly.d   bill   -- gJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:30:33 +0200a* From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il> Subject: Re: teste* Message-ID: <3DD62C59.9020607@tzora.co.il>   jlchorin wrote:p > tets? ^^^^^^^^ if that was meant to be "test" - it failed, did'nt it.t   >  >      -- l  & New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm= Other useful links at http://eisner.decusserve.org/~rechtman/tE ---------------------------------------------------------------------sE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.c? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*nE Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337 C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"qE ---------------------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:22:14 -0500s% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>s! Subject: Re: Turnaround artist??? / Message-ID: <utapcaavguom1b@news.supernews.com>   4 "David Mathog" <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message2 news:20021115091727.46e6dff9.mathog@caltech.edu...B > ZDNET today discusses Capellas starting as CEO of Worldcom here: >l. >   http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1106-965953.html >a7 > In this piece they say a few things which must be thee- > "analysts" view of the man.  In particular:t >oJ >  "Capellas is credited with stabilizing Compaq before it was sold to HP" >f7 >  "If Capellas is successful, he will secure his placet >   as a turnaround artist." >   H I think they mean that he's good at turning around and bending over.  :)    D > It never seemed to me that Compaq stabilized under Capellas and it	 certainly L > never "turned around".  Compaq was more like a slow motion car crash, withL > the vehicle flipping end over end, and big chunks flying off. Still, Curly did-K > manage to sell Carly the wreck.  Which makes him an artist of sorts - butv > not a turnaround artist. > H > CEO of Worldcom is the perfect job for him - it's a no lose situation. The3H > company's such a basket case financially that if it never comes out ofD > chapter 11 nobody will blame him, and if it manages to pull itself togetherJ > (with or without his input) he'll be hailed as a miracle worker.  Either waysI > he gets paid a bundle for at least a couple more years.  My bet is thateE > all he plans to do is spin off MCI with himself as CEO, pay off theeK > Worldcom creditors (to the extent that they will ever be paid) with stockhF > in this "new" enterprise, and let the rest of Worldcom disintegrate.L > In other words, to mix too many metaphors, he's going ride out of Dodge on theb0 > cash cow while the town burns down behind him. >h
 > Regards, >o > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu@ > Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:03:07 -0600s3 From: "news.charter.net" <bamalupieman@charter.net> % Subject: Re: Vax 4000-60 power supplyr/ Message-ID: <utb2n0lkl7jaca@corp.supernews.com>d  E Switching power supplies contain high voltages when operating and arerD dangerous to work on. Unless you are a qualified technician, I wouldK strongly suggest you look for a replacement, perhaps at Island Computers oreJ on eBay. Those funny screws may have saved your life! I was an electronicsJ tech for many years, working at the component (not board) level and I willG NOT attempt to repair these things other than to look for a blown fuse.   ' Island Computers is at www.islandco.comI  L eBay, is, of course www.eBay.com. Search for vax* in computers. A sample URL1 to search the computers area in eBay for vax* is:tD http://cq-search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?query=vax*&CATEGORY0=160  5 eBay has a 4000 power supply listed right now at URL:lK http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2071145756. The starting-C price is $19.95 and the auction has three days to go before ending.e  H Another idea would be to purchase an entire 4000-60 (box only) for spareK parts; I did this a while back (for about $60) and have a complete, workingh7 4000-60 for parts, should my "production" 4000-60 fail.    Regards, Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT nete  G "Michiel Erens" <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> wrote inu9 message news:3DD3FCC4.68B7@this.mailaddress.is.invalid...iE > The powersupply of my vaxstation 4000-60 (part number H7819AA) diedcG > after a power outage. I tried to open it, but I do not have the right I > tool because it uses rather unusual screws. Does somebody know if thesetD > power supplies have easy replaceable parts (like a fuse) or should$ > I give up and look for a new one ? >m > -- > Michiel Erenst > Posted by news://news.nb.nu    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.634 ************************