1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 18 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 638       Contents: Re: %rms-f-dme on vms 7.3 & Re: A Dilbert cartoon that says it all( ANN: libxml2 2.4.27 XML parser available Attaching files on VMSmail Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: Attaching files on VMSmail% Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates  CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi  Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi  RE: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi  Re: Detecting non-Files-11 disk  Re: Detecting non-Files-11 disk  edit/edt/command Re: edit/edt/command Re: edit/edt/command Re: edit/edt/commandF Re: Follow-up   Re: VAXStation 3100 ....not booting, speaks in tongues! RE: Getting the user owner string @ Re: Going OT - cheese and bacon (was:Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping)5 Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign  Re: HP-ETS 2002 CD+ Re: I've come back to build you a better OS > Init/que/autostart_on=(node1::,node2::,node3::) system_UtilityB Re: Init/que/autostart_on=(node1::,node2::,node3::) system_Utility) Installing DCE raises multithread caution - Re: Installing DCE raises multithread caution  Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems RE: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: job scheduling in VMS  Re: job scheduling in VMS  Re: job scheduling in VMS  Re: job scheduling in VMS 9 Memo:  Re: Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/Plus  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS - Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ??? # New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS " Re: OpenVMS books : seeking advice RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping? Re: Problem with Hunter Goatley's ODS2 win version and MO drive ! Recall: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi ) Re: serial console on VAXstation 3100 M38 0 Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.0 Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.0 Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.0 Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.0 RE: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.0 Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway. Strange ACL discrepancy  Re: Strange ACL discrepancy  Re: Strange ACL discrepancy  Re: Strange ACL discrepancy 8 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS20025 Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor) 5 Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor) A Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar? A Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar? A Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar? A Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar? A Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar? @ RE: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at Montagar? Re: [OT] HP has big cheeses   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:42:48 -0000 2 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>" Subject: Re: %rms-f-dme on vms 7.34 Message-ID: <arag3b$njj$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in messageD >    Somebody's got a SET RMS command that's too big for the way the >    system is tuned.   G Show rms output below: nothing radical. No process set rms, just system  defaults as below. piopages 675J sylogin contains a couple of dcl open/closes, and a few uses of f$search() Nothing excessive.I The user had some 5,000 or so files in her directory (dir size 312K), and C this appeared to be the cause of the problem (at least, the problem 3 disappeared when significant numbers were deleted). G That almost makes sense for the dir command, but doesn't when the error  appears on "sho log/job". F The whole log was in the original post: I just don't understand what's@ exhausting resources. Quotas, piopages, etc are all in line with@ recommendations; sylogin doesn't do anything I'd consider odd orG unreasonable - so what has a problem with very large directories ? Does J piopages need to be able to contain the entire directory ? I don't see why, "sho log/job" needs any rms resource at all.   Chris    $ sh rmsE           MULTI-  |                MULTIBUFFER COUNTS               |  NETWORK L           BLOCK   | Indexed  Relative            Sequential         |  BLOCKL           COUNT   |                     Disk   Magtape  Unit Record |  COUNTJ Process     0     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    0J System     16     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    8  >           Prolog    Extend Quantity      VCC_DFW    QUERY_LOCK: Process     0              0                0       System< System      0           1000                0       Disabled             CONTENTION_POLICY  Process       System System        Never    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:27:37 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>/ Subject: Re: A Dilbert cartoon that says it all . Message-ID: <3DD8EAC9.C38C0973@mindspring.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   I > Looking at the Dilbert in question, it struck be how much Dilbert's PHB 7 > looks like "curly".  Could there be a connection?  :)   ( Perhaps, but not in the direction you're+ probably thinking of. The PHB long-predates ) Michael's ascendency, so it would have to % mean that Michael had adopted the PHB  as "hero figure".    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:29:25 -0600 7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> 1 Subject: ANN: libxml2 2.4.27 XML parser available G Message-ID: <craigberry-F356F5.17292517112002@news.directvinternet.com>   H Libxml2 is an XML library written in C as part of the Gnome project. It H includes a fully validating parser and supports a number of XML-related E standards.  Version 2.4.27 has updated VMS support and builds out of  H the box on OpenVMS Alpha using DEC/Compaq C 5.7 or later.  More details & and download links are available here:   http://www.xmlsoft.org/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:23:33 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Attaching files on VMSmail / Message-ID: <3DD8CDB5.AAC4FE72@vl.videotron.ca>   M Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, a theoretical foreign mail protocol.   M Lets assume that such a "plugin" would allow one to attach files when sending  a VMSmail message.  G Would there be any prefered syntax to signal the files to be attached ?   
 for instance:  ------- $ TO: chocolate%Chef_Pierre@pastry.com: Subject: Please find inclosed my recipe for a great mousse Enter text below:    Cher Pierre,  H Ci-inclus sont des fichiers DECwrite avec des recettes incroyables d'une mousse au chocolat. < @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse1.doc  application/decwrite1 @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse.jpg  image/jpeg    <ctrl-Z> ------    K Apart from a @@@file_name_here, what other syntaxes could be used to signal  inclusion of a file ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:42:38 +0000 (UTC) / From: "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> ' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail 1 Message-ID: <arau8u$hjn$1@knossos.btinternet.com>   L Take a look at Mime and see what you can find. Its quite highly undocumentedG but you can do it with this, providing you have all of the latest TCPIP F updates. I would send you more details but I am not at work this week.  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3DD8CDB5.AAC4FE72@vl.videotron.ca... E > Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, a theoretical foreign mail 	 protocol.  > G > Lets assume that such a "plugin" would allow one to attach files when  sending  > a VMSmail message. > I > Would there be any prefered syntax to signal the files to be attached ?  >  > for instance: 	 > ------- & > TO: chocolate%Chef_Pierre@pastry.com< > Subject: Please find inclosed my recipe for a great mousse > Enter text below:  >  > Cher Pierre, > J > Ci-inclus sont des fichiers DECwrite avec des recettes incroyables d'une > mousse au chocolat. > > @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse1.doc  application/decwrite3 > @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse.jpg  image/jpeg  > 
 > <ctrl-Z> > ------ >  > F > Apart from a @@@file_name_here, what other syntaxes could be used to signal > inclusion of a file ?    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 08:09:49 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail 3 Message-ID: <M1lUCkh13U5s@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DD8CDB5.AAC4FE72@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:O > Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, a theoretical foreign mail protocol.  > O > Lets assume that such a "plugin" would allow one to attach files when sending  > a VMSmail message. > I > Would there be any prefered syntax to signal the files to be attached ?   	 How about   & %%attach filename [/content-type=] ...  0 Then you could think about supporting stuff like   %%include filename [/uuencode]   %%signature   
 or maybe even    %%pgp sign /key=x /passphrase=y    and, getting really fancy:  ? %%literal "%%include ""xyz.dat"""	-- First non white space char # 					-- following %%literal becomes $ 					-- quote character and doubling& 					-- the quote character quotes it.  ? And maybe you include a command line qualifier so that you can:   !  $ my_mail_frontend /escape="@@@"    or  $ my_mail_frontend /noescape   ? And maybe you decide that embedded command failure is fatal for B a non-interactive session but non-fatal for an interactive session4 and generates an immediate error message either way.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 08:38:53 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail 3 Message-ID: <nZW$La5AS5Si@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <arau8u$hjn$1@knossos.btinternet.com>, "Rob Heyes" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> writes: N > Take a look at Mime and see what you can find. Its quite highly undocumentedI > but you can do it with this, providing you have all of the latest TCPIP H > updates. I would send you more details but I am not at work this week.  . There are at least two issues with doing that.  E 1.  Using the standard interface, the user doesn't have access to the ? mail headers.  If you put MIME-looking content in the body of a E message without touching the headers, all you'll have is MIME-looking ! content in the body of a message.   C 2.  We're talking about a user interface.  Even if we give the user F the ability to inserte a "Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed, Boundary=xyz"A header, do we really expect him or her to be competent to get the D headers on the individual bodyparts and the associated boundary tags right by hand?  B Yes, the right implementation technique for the user agent here isE for it to create attachments using MIME.  But that's at the interface D between the user agent and the mail system.  We're talking about theF interface between the user and the user agent:  How does the user tell& his mail program to add an attachment?  E I think JF is talking about embedding us as a foreign mail transport. B So we're not talking directly to the user.  I assume that we'll beC handed a completed message body and will have to parse out embedded A commands.  So our job is to come up with a syntax that is easy to % use and hard to generate by accident.    Is that right, JF?   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:07:34 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail + Message-ID: <00A172B5.D5746707.13@decus.de>   3 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   O > Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, a theoretical foreign mail protocol.  > O > Lets assume that such a "plugin" would allow one to attach files when sending  > a VMSmail message. > I > Would there be any prefered syntax to signal the files to be attached ?  >  > for instance: 	 > ------- & > TO: chocolate%Chef_Pierre@pastry.com< > Subject: Please find inclosed my recipe for a great mousse > Enter text below:  >  > Cher Pierre, > J > Ci-inclus sont des fichiers DECwrite avec des recettes incroyables d'une > mousse au chocolat. > > @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse1.doc  application/decwrite3 > @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse.jpg  image/jpeg  > 
 > <ctrl-Z> > ------ >  > M > Apart from a @@@file_name_here, what other syntaxes could be used to signal  > inclusion of a file ?      $ MAIL MAIL> SEND /EDIT /ATTACH To: <recipient(s)> Subject: <subject>   <body of the mail>   <ctrl-Z>  ) Enter name of file(s) to be attached: ...     E That would of course require an enhanced mail utility -- but it is my D understanding that composing the final mail message is a task of theE mail utility itself and not of a transfer protocol. The original file 5 name(s) should be included along with the correct (!)  file/application/document type.     * Reading such a mail could be easy as well:   $ MAIL MAIL> READ #   .. ...  # There are attachments to this mail. F Please enter the location they shall be extracted to or press [ctrl-C]2 if you don't want them to be extracted: <location>  E <file name> extracted to <location>, file type: <file/app/doc type or  "unspecified"> ..   MAIL>      Michael    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:11:35 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis). Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates. Message-ID: <aravv7$3ph$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes in article <3DD6E5E0.C15FE064@vl.videotron.ca> dated Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:42:25 -0500:  >Alan Greig wrote:F >> According to the New York Times, Microsoft offered to make Capellas2 >> No.3, adopting the title of President and COO."  G Was the job offer payback for killing Alpha?  AlphaNT died before Alpha  though.  Did Curly do that too?   A >> Hey maybe he'll just strip down WorldCom first then merge with 
 >> Microsoft.  > L >No, I think I found out what the strategy is. Capellas will "visit" as CEO,L >all major remaining VMS customers, force the dumping of VMS and replacementO >with Windows crap, then leave as the company crumbles and go onto the next VMS : >customer. Once VMS is dead, he gets his job at Microsoft.   Or Sun!   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:47:46 -0500 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> " Subject: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSiK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B9C@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   : I am 'havening' a difficult time getting this one to work : with parity on/off, block on/off or combinations of above.> CD-RW firmware rev is 1.07 which according to Plextor website $ is latest available for this device.   System details: $ Personal Workstation 433a (hobbyist) 1GB RAM  OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 4 Digital Qlogic 1020-based SCSI controller (wide, but* running 2 narrow drives on same bus as CD)  < I figured that the first thing to do would be to drop it in 9 in place of my regular CD drive check and check to see if   it would read an ODS-2 CD-ROM---  ; and got a %MOUNT message ending with "invalid media format" @ (sorry for the incomplete message there, pen at workbench died.)  5 CDRECORD -SCANBUS errors with a "wrong bus#" message.   : so I thought I'd try booting from a VMS binaries CD to see3 if the console would give me better error details--   ' failed to send Read to DKA300.3.0.200.0  failed to read DKA300.0.200.0   ' Anybody used one of these successfully? & Any tips would be greatly appreciated.   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:21:23 +0100 I From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de> & Subject: Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi0 Message-ID: <006001c28f2f$4f4d5c20$0201a8c0@WS1>   William,   her are my ideas:   + 1.) cdrecord -scanbus doesn't work with VMS : 2.) You must configure the drive to use 512 block per I/O.8      May be this is the "block on/off" jumper mentioned.7 3.) Booting is a more complicated task than mounting. I <      have a drive here that works fine, but you cannot boot.= 4.) Try to mount foreign first. If this fails, you connection 7      to your machine is  not OK, because wrong jumpered )     drives still are accessable this way.    hope this helps  eberhard ----- Original Message -----  # From: "VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com>  To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ' Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:47 PM " Subject: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi     > < > I am 'havening' a difficult time getting this one to work < > with parity on/off, block on/off or combinations of above.@ > CD-RW firmware rev is 1.07 which according to Plextor website & > is latest available for this device. >  > System details: & > Personal Workstation 433a (hobbyist)	 > 1GB RAM  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 6 > Digital Qlogic 1020-based SCSI controller (wide, but, > running 2 narrow drives on same bus as CD) > > > I figured that the first thing to do would be to drop it in ; > in place of my regular CD drive check and check to see if " > it would read an ODS-2 CD-ROM--- > = > and got a %MOUNT message ending with "invalid media format" B > (sorry for the incomplete message there, pen at workbench died.) > 7 > CDRECORD -SCANBUS errors with a "wrong bus#" message.  > < > so I thought I'd try booting from a VMS binaries CD to see5 > if the console would give me better error details--  > ) > failed to send Read to DKA300.3.0.200.0  > failed to read DKA300.0.200.0  > ) > Anybody used one of these successfully? ( > Any tips would be greatly appreciated. >  > ========================" > William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS > OpenVMS Support Services( > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800< > 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:33:48 -0500 : From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb@email.usps.gov>& Subject: RE: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSiK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEC48@rlghncst964.usps.gov>    Vielen dank, Herr Doktor.   . It won't mount anything, foreign or otherwise.  1 An old thread in comp.os.vms indicates that these . devices, although visible to VMS, won't mount 4 anything, and despite that they *will* write to CDs.  9 This has got to be the longest URL I've ever sent anyone-   L http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=009FCC9E.6F5DC802L %40SendSpamHere.ORG&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DCDRECORD%2BPlextor%2Bgroup:comL p.os.vms%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D009FCC9E.6F5DC802%2540SendS pamHere.ORG%26rnum%3D2  / I'm going to put it back to parity on, block on  and see what happens.    ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800 919.874.3043   -----Original Message----- From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" 0 [mailto:Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de]' Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:21 PM  To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" & Subject: RE: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi     William,   her are my ideas:   + 1.) cdrecord -scanbus doesn't work with VMS : 2.) You must configure the drive to use 512 block per I/O.8      May be this is the "block on/off" jumper mentioned.7 3.) Booting is a more complicated task than mounting. I <      have a drive here that works fine, but you cannot boot.= 4.) Try to mount foreign first. If this fails, you connection 7      to your machine is  not OK, because wrong jumpered )     drives still are accessable this way.    hope this helps  eberhard ----- Original Message -----# From: "VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com>  To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ' Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:47 PM " Subject: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi     > ; > I am 'havening' a difficult time getting this one to work < > with parity on/off, block on/off or combinations of above.? > CD-RW firmware rev is 1.07 which according to Plextor website & > is latest available for this device. >  > System details: & > Personal Workstation 433a (hobbyist)	 > 1GB RAM  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 6 > Digital Qlogic 1020-based SCSI controller (wide, but, > running 2 narrow drives on same bus as CD) > = > I figured that the first thing to do would be to drop it in ; > in place of my regular CD drive check and check to see if " > it would read an ODS-2 CD-ROM--- > = > and got a %MOUNT message ending with "invalid media format" B > (sorry for the incomplete message there, pen at workbench died.) > 7 > CDRECORD -SCANBUS errors with a "wrong bus#" message.  > < > so I thought I'd try booting from a VMS binaries CD to see5 > if the console would give me better error details--  > ) > failed to send Read to DKA300.3.0.200.0  > failed to read DKA300.0.200.0  > ) > Anybody used one of these successfully? ( > Any tips would be greatly appreciated. >  > ========================" > William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS > OpenVMS Support Services( > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800< > 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:02:53 -0000  From: "Ian" <ian@127.0.0.1> ( Subject: Re: Detecting non-Files-11 disk. Message-ID: <ar8smc$aic$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>  G why not BACKUP/PHYSICAL every time? - works if disk is Files-11 or not.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 07:37:21 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Detecting non-Files-11 disk3 Message-ID: <hC8EK3iyOKRV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <ar8smc$aic$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Ian" <ian@127.0.0.1> writes:I > why not BACKUP/PHYSICAL every time? - works if disk is Files-11 or not.   E    Tremendously slow if you're doing a backup on a fairly empty disk.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:13:28 +0530 # From: "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com>  Subject: edit/edt/command / Message-ID: <uth6dtar47ja66@corp.supernews.com>   % what is  /command for in a .com file.    edit/edt/command   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:14:43 +1100 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>  Subject: Re: edit/edt/command , Message-ID: <3DD8AF83.2070007@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Vivek Soni wrote: ' > what is  /command for in a .com file.  >  > edit/edt/command >  >  >  Try $help edit /edt /command.   G I don't understand why this should be any different in a .COM file, or   are you confusing it with:   $ assign sys$command sys$input   or   $ define sys$input sys$command  H Also, I know several will disagree with me, but why not use (especially % if on an Alpha) the default edit/tpu?   D (I'm biased because when I came to VMS, /tpu was the first editor I 6 used.  I know several colleagues swear blind by /edt.)   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:31:48 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: edit/edt/command . Message-ID: <3DD8EBC4.C5C4A86D@mindspring.com>   Vivek Soni wrote:   ' > what is  /command for in a .com file.  >  > edit/edt/command  ) I'm not sure I undeerstand your question, ( but let me answer what I *THINK* you may have asked.   , When EDT starts up, it ordinarily reads your/ EDTINI.EDT (?) file to initialize the editor to - your own personal settings. (In my case, that / file set some modes and defined about a zillion  keystrokes that I liked.)   ( Usingthe /COMMAND qualifier, you can get, EDT to execute other command files. (I don't0 recall if EDTINI.EDT executes first.) In theory,- this lets you "automate" some routine editing , task or operate the editor in any of several$ different modes that you've defined.   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:31:52 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: edit/edt/command / Message-ID: <3DD914D1.2068433B@eps.zko.dec.com>    Vivek Soni wrote:   ' > what is  /command for in a .com file.  >  > edit/edt/command   RTFH!   F The most impotant use of /COM for me in in fact /NOCOM, telling it not to run my EDTINI. @ All of this is explained in gory details in HELP EDIT /EDT /COM. hth, Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:31:24 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>O Subject: Re: Follow-up   Re: VAXStation 3100 ....not booting, speaks in tongues ) Message-ID: <3DD8B36C.943720C3@127.0.0.1>    fred_zeppelin wrote: > > > I believe the display problem is a semi-failed graphic/videoB > card/board as suggested by several.  We're migrating this app toH > another platform, so I only need to hold on another month or so.  I'll  > look into replacing the video.  D The 3100 series can be converted down to B/W greyscale. You may only, have a faulty 4- 8- plane graphics (or SPX).  G This card piggy backs onto the 'motherboard' to the rear of the machine F and is held on by 4 clips and the socket into which it sits. These canG be retro fitted, however you'll be missing the clips that stabilize the  card onto the motherboard.  E Dunno if you've removed the lid on your box, however it's very tricky G getting it back on, the little RF shielding clips fall off all over the F place, so you need to learn the knack, and patience, and a side effect; is an occasional increase in your vocabulary of expletives.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:53:30 -0000 - From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> * Subject: RE: Getting the user owner stringE Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CB087@tahiti.tinuk.com>   J No, I can see where he's coming from, if you take the question literally =$ from an 'interactive' point of view!   ;^D   I I guess it could be taken as a gentle hint to the original poster to be = ) slightly more specific in his question...    Cheers   Steve S    > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne@vajhoej.dk]=20  > Sent: 14 November 2002 22:44 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com , > Subject: Re: Getting the user owner string >=20 >=20
 > Z wrote: >=205 > > Stephen Eickhoff <operagost@bogus.address> wrote: @ > > : Is there a RTL of some sort to get the owner field from=20 > the current=20
 > > user's > > : account? > >=20 > > $ write sys$output f$user()  >=20 >=20/ > What has that to do with the owner field ????  >=20 > Arne >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:23:42 +0100 & From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>I Subject: Re: Going OT - cheese and bacon (was:Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping) $ Message-ID: <3DD9302E.7DE1@c-lab.de>  % winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:  >  > O > And the same Maytag family that's now responsible for the quite-decent Anchor  > Steam Beer, incidentally.   ( Anchor Steam, Stanford, Bay Area, hmm...  F The single time I was in USA (conference in San Francisco, 2000), theyD served Anchor Steam in the evening during the BOF session, with hugeC bowls of nachos and salsa. Not being a beer drinker, I remember odd F looks from my coworkers when I mentioned that US beer actually doesn't* taste as bad as we Germans tend to think.   : Guess I came across one of the positive exceptions, right?     --  * Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:03:57 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> > Subject: Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising CampaignI Message-ID: <hr6C9.104492$oRV.73265@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   3 "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in message 9 news:yU5C9.119220$dn3.5205256@twister.southeast.rr.com... H > HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign; Focuses on CustomerJ > Partnerships and the Role of HP Services, People, Technology in Business and  > Life  F This is supposedly an 'image building' campaign for HP so one does not7 expect to hear/see much detail about specific products.   J As you view all the ads so far, the campaign includes specific mentions of, OpenView, HP-UX, Linux, and HP X Class pc's.  I However there are two things you can be sure of - they won't ever mention J Alpha because it's dead, and they won't ever mention VMS because they want it dead.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:02:39 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: HP-ETS 2002 CD ' Message-ID: <3DD811FF.D99EEE34@fsi.net>    "Clay M. Denton" wrote:  > X > I'm trying to figure out how any statement made gets turned into a "HP doesn't support > VMS" message.   H If you don't do the promotional stuff, what other evidence of support isG there? We see no ad.'s, no apparent efforts to garner additional market ( share or even preserve the existing, ...  . Actions, as they say, speak louder than words.  A Simply maintaining the status quo won't cut it. Something's gotta A change, and the longer HP/Q resists the change the longer the "no G support" claims will continue, and probably increase. It's that simple.   \ > Regarding the conference CD - along with the "defray the cost of putting on the conference\ > by attending" post, many Encompass volunteers put in countless (OK - 2-3000) hours to helpZ > produce this conference.  They did it because they wanted to, and they wanted to support\ > Encompass.  The conference CD is an output of all of this.  So, pay the $90 for a CD - andY > get a free Encompass membership 8-) , or if you're already a member - enjoy one of your # > many (and more to come) benefits.   F I don't think anyone has a problem with Encompass membership, at least not a large one, anyway.  F What I and others have a problem with is the idea of "locking out" theD non-attendees. We see no reason to penalize those who chose businessG priorities (or were not permitted the choice due to cost-cutting, etc.)  instead of attending.   / See my earlier post for a next-year suggestion.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:06:12 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: I've come back to build you a better OS3 Message-ID: <869C9.29$Z44.1115182@news.cpqcorp.net>    Jerry Leslie wrote in message 3 <42OA9.321502$8o3.9722553@twister.austin.rr.com>... 2 >JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca) wrote:J >: Some car company in the USA has TV ads where some guy named Harley EarlH >: says "I've come back to build you a new car", making one believe thatH >: Harley Earl was a car designer in the 1950s/1960s and has returned to, >: that car company to make even better cars >:* >     http://www.automuseum.com/HARLEY.HTM< >     The legendary General Motors design chief, Harley Earl >  > B >    "...One design historian has noted that Earl's successes withE >     Cadillacs, Chevrolets, Pontiacs, Oldsmobiles and Buicks broughtfB >     him, by the time of his retirement in 1958, to a position ofF >     influence unequalled by any automobile designer before or since. >i >     [snip] >eB >     Earl's influence on contemporary automotive design was trulyE >     significant. He was a giant innovator in his field of designing:/ >     vehicles for success in the marketplace."S >   E But how does perhaps great work by a dead guy have any bearing on theeK garbage that is designed by todays car designers.  I am often amazed by cartJ commercials showing someone drooling over the design of a bland me-too car9 that I couldn't name the maker if I saw it on the street.n  G The Buicks they are trying to lend the dead guys "image" to, are BORINGP designs.   _Fredl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:53:54 -0500l* From: "Stewart, Bill" <wjs-corp@Kaman.com>G Subject: Init/que/autostart_on=(node1::,node2::,node3::) system_Utility:< Message-ID: <1E4B06029E11D211B47C0000F8207F4D01B9F4FB@ESKC2>  L I am running openvms v7.2-1 on a cluster with 3 alphas and one vax.  I issue the following commands:p  
 from node1  ) $ ENABLE AUTOSTART/QUEUES/ON_NODE=NODE1::p  
 from node2  ) $ ENABLE AUTOSTART/QUEUES/ON_NODE=NODE2::p  
 from node3  ) $ ENABLE AUTOSTART/QUEUES/ON_NODE=NODE3::uG $ INIT/QUE/BAT/AUTOSTART_ON=(AXP009::,AXP008::,AXP006::) SYSTEM_UTILITYo   The system comes back with:l@ %JBC-I-AUTONOTSTART, queue is auto start active, but not started  $ If I try to start it I get the same.  2 I'm sure that I'm forgetting something.  Any help?  
 Bill Stewart   (860) 243-7058   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:34:05 -0500M% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>rK Subject: Re: Init/que/autostart_on=(node1::,node2::,node3::) system_Utility / Message-ID: <uti94eirta2sd9@news.supernews.com>c  5 "Stewart, Bill" <wjs-corp@Kaman.com> wrote in message 6 news:1E4B06029E11D211B47C0000F8207F4D01B9F4FB@ESKC2...H > I am running openvms v7.2-1 on a cluster with 3 alphas and one vax.  I issue  > the following commands:a >a > from node1 > + > $ ENABLE AUTOSTART/QUEUES/ON_NODE=NODE1::h >  > from node2 >e+ > $ ENABLE AUTOSTART/QUEUES/ON_NODE=NODE2::e >t > from node3 >a+ > $ ENABLE AUTOSTART/QUEUES/ON_NODE=NODE3::gI > $ INIT/QUE/BAT/AUTOSTART_ON=(AXP009::,AXP008::,AXP006::) SYSTEM_UTILITY2 >e > The system comes back with: B > %JBC-I-AUTONOTSTART, queue is auto start active, but not started >s& > If I try to start it I get the same. >X4 > I'm sure that I'm forgetting something.  Any help? >e  G You are forgetting the /START qualifier.  The default is /NOSTART.  YouVJ could also do a START/QUE.  An autostart queue can still be in the stopped1 state and that won't change until you tell it to.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:02:18 GMT1( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>2 Subject: Installing DCE raises multithread caution, Message-ID: <3DD7F5A9.5020506@spammotel.com>  % Another Hobbyist question I'm afraid:m  K I wanted to install DCE (version 3.0) on my VMS Alpha 7.2 system to enable 7M secure Telnet sessions to it over the Internet.  According to the docs, this lL version should install on the VMS version I have, but the post-installation @ verification procedure thinks not.  During the test, I get this:  4 Logging in to DCE using principal "cell_admin" . . .  ;      Executing DCE for OpenVMS Alpha V3.0 CVP (please wait)cJ      Copyright (c) Compaq Computer Corporation. 1999. All Rights Reserved.   ....9 %CMA-F-EXCCOPLOS, exception raised; some information lost)9 -DCERPC-F-COMMFAILURE, communications failure (dce / rpc)a  ,       DCE for OpenVMS Alpha V3.0 CVP failed.  Press <RETURN> to continue . . .    Press <RETURN> to continue . . .  : What the heck is causing this???   For more info, I tried:   $ help/message %CMA-F-EXCCOPLOS     5   EXCCOPLOS,  exception raised; some information lost   L    Facility:     CMA, DECthreads (DIGITAL's Multithreading Run-Time Library)  M    Explanation:  An exception was raised using an old mechanism that does notoJ                  preserve all exception information. The exception messageI                  displays, but argument values are not substituted in theh                  message text.  H    User Action:  None required. However, you can recompile the code thatJ                  raised the exception to allow it to use the new mechanism:                  that preserves the exception information.      ' ...but that isn't very helpful (to me).   H I'd appreciate any suggestions you might have for getting DCE installed  successfully.  Thanks.   Alder    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:31:44 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>6 Subject: Re: Installing DCE raises multithread caution, Message-ID: <3DD81870.6000601@spammotel.com>   Alder wrote:' > Another Hobbyist question I'm afraid:- > F > I wanted to install DCE (version 3.0) on my VMS Alpha 7.2 system to K > enable secure Telnet sessions to it over the Internet.  According to the  G > docs, this version should install on the VMS version I have, but the m6 > post-installation verification procedure thinks not.  K A further bit of reading on Threads reveals that while DCE is supported on  O OpenVMS Alpha 6.2 or greater (DCE Product Manual), it also relies on the POSIX fH Threads library, which is installed only with newer versions of the OS,   replacing the older CMA library.  P That would seem to explain the message I received, but it also seems to suggest H that POSIX Threads is installed as part of the operating system, and is P therefore not something I can simply install on the existing 7.2 version.  Am I N right, or is there a way to "upgrade" my Hobbyist OS to use the POSIX Threads  library without upgrading VMS?   Thanks for reading,s   Alderv   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:23:06 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemsD2 Message-ID: <TEedncqSO-UEcUqgXTWc3g@metrocast.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:miwZjoubOzoN@eisner.encompasserve.org...oJ > In article <wvgB9.16950$QD6.1614998@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > K > > 2. Someone in Compaq management had to know that EV7 was that far ahead  of theI > > rest of the industry. Since it would have been child's play to marketu thisJ > > advantage by reducing profit margins for 1-12 months, I have to assume that. > > Compaq management was paid off to kill EV8 >cF > That does not follow.  The chip that was cancelled was EV8.  The EV7F > chip was not cancelled.  It is fallacious to assume that the advanceD > made by EV7 would have been matched by an EV8 advance.  EV8 shouldD > have performed no worse that EV7, but the statement made by Compaq@ > was that EV8 would not have been sufficiently better than EV7.  K Unless you can provide a reference for that statement, I'll assume that youmE simply fabricated it out of your lack of familiarity with what CompaqlB actually said in this area.  To the best of my knowledge, the onlyH statements Compaq made about future Alpha performance (in the context ofI killing it) were to say that it could not maintain a sufficient lead overnK contemporary Itanics to remain competitive - i.e., they concentrated on howlI wonderful Itanic would be rather than on how disappointing Alpha would belH (and specifically never made any suggestion of how EV8 performance wouldL compare with EV7's, though may have thrown out some FUD about EV8's scheduleI at some point - or perhaps only their fellow-travelers did; in any event,dK this view was not shared by the EV8 development team, who stated that therec7 were no known obstacles to the scheduled 2004 release).n  E The only reference that I'm familiar with that compared projected EV8nH performance with EV7 came from the EV8 developers prior to the AlphacideL (sorry - I don't have the reference at hand) who felt, based on simulations,F that EV8 would provide twice the single-thread performance of EV7 plusL another factor of two increase for multi-threaded loads (due to SMT).  SinceI EV7 in 180 nm. promises to be respectably faster than McKinley (closer to J Madison's performance, in fact), this would have given EV8 about 1.5 timesL the performance of Montecito (the Itanic scheduled to release at about EV8'sL scheduled release date) in single-threaded use and about 3 times Montecito'sE performance in multi-threaded (i.e., typical server) use - unless the:I EV7/EV8 speed comparison was based on comparable process technologies (mysI recollection is not clear on this point), in which cases EV8's advantageseA over Montecito would have been more like 2x and 4x, respectively.f   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:54:02 -0500u0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemsr/ Message-ID: <3DD801E5.78EA0B6F@vl.videotron.ca>e   Larry Kilgallen wrote:D > have performed no worse that EV7, but the statement made by Compaq@ > was that EV8 would not have been sufficiently better than EV7.  K I never saw such a statement. All I saw was Compaq stating that they thoughrM that IA64 would surpass Alpha and that it wasn't worth the cost of continuing N the costly development of Alpha since some cheap, industry standard chip would outrun Alpha in a year or two.    > It was fairly clearly stated that IA64 would outperform Alpha.  % Now, lets bring this back in context:   " Right now, Alpha outperforms IA64.2 In the near term, EV7 will really outperform IA64.  I In the medium/long term, all that has been announced for IA64 are processs% shrinks and a few minor advancements.r  M Therefore, it is fairly logical to state that if EV8 benefiteed from the same8G process technology, and also had some minor advancements, then it woudlt. maintain the huge lead that EV7 has over IA64.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 08:34:08 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems 3 Message-ID: <yABNbZpQDI8Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  o In article <4495ef1f.0211171739.1af7d36e@posting.google.com>, Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com (Brannon Batson) writes:tj > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<miwZjoubOzoN@eisner.encompasserve.org>...	 >> [snip]a > 
 >> EV8 shouldtE >> have performed no worse that EV7, but the statement made by Compaq A >> was that EV8 would not have been sufficiently better than EV7.v > G > Ridiculous.  Why would we have been designing a new chip if it wasn'tb! > 'sufficiently' faster than EV7?i  ? Because how fast a chip runs is a matter of engineering and thee@ definition of "sufficiently" is a marketing/management decision.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:43:53 GMTd5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemsr3 Message-ID: <dN8C9.25$l44.1079471@news.cpqcorp.net>h  D Bill Todd wrote in message <_MudnRz5LuDG7E6gXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>... >t >iK >Are you feeling unusually stupid today, Rob?  Aside from noting in passingeI >Paul's comment about another EV7 delay (because I was a bit surprised nouK >mention of it had yet surfaced here - Paul is a fairly reliable source, asoJ >you seem to agree), my response to Fred's comment about Hammer's vaporousK >quality was that it was about as vaporous as (a sarcastic way of saying noaI >more vaporous than) EV7.  That's not FUD, that's recognition that EV7 is, >real (and so is Hammer).- >-  G Where can I order a 16p enterprise class "Hammer" system?  I missed theh
 announcement.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:51:43 GMTB5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>@% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemsm3 Message-ID: <zU8C9.26$w34.1038486@news.cpqcorp.net>m  @ JF Mezei wrote in message <3DD381CB.68833325@vl.videotron.ca>... >Bill Todd wrote:wK >> more vaporous than) EV7.  That's not FUD, that's recognition that EV7 ist >> real (and so is Hammer).c > ! >EV7 seems more real than Hammer.  > L >For one thing, it uses an existing core.  So rumours that the chip has beenL >ready for some time and is just being delayed/kept secret are credible. AndI >some would say that it is to HP's political advantage to hold/delay/hidea EV7. >t  K Remember that there is more than just a new CPU chip.  It's an entirely newKK system platform from the ground up.  As in *any* new major system platform, K things always appear to stretch out at the end while the last few nits (and K not just HW, but SW) are cleaned up as real customer workloads start to hittI them in field test.  The Marvel platform is unreal in how fast it is, and L how well it scales - even the 800Mhz proto's were unbelievable.  As far as IL can detect, there is no feet dragging to get it officially shipped, but careG is being taken to make sure that it is 100% rock solid when it hits theh street.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:50:29 -0800a$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>% Subject: RE: Jaw dropping EV7 systemsL0 Message-ID: <01C28EF0.6919F800@sulfer.icius.com>  G EV8 had some pretty impressive plans - the simultaneous multi-threadings@ looked like it had a lot of potential for real-world performance? improvements. It may not have made as much difference to lineareH benchmarks though. "The statement made by Compaq..." isn't a very strongH argument with me, I'm afraid. They'd say that whether it was true or notC to justify the political decision they made to kill the Alpha chip,y IMHO.    ShaneD   -----Original Message-----: From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]' Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 4:53 AMn To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems>    H In article <wvgB9.16950$QD6.1614998@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  L > 2. Someone in Compaq management had to know that EV7 was that far ahead of the L > rest of the industry. Since it would have been child's play to market thisM > advantage by reducing profit margins for 1-12 months, I have to assume thath, > Compaq management was paid off to kill EV8  D That does not follow.  The chip that was cancelled was EV8.  The EV7D chip was not cancelled.  It is fallacious to assume that the advanceB made by EV7 would have been matched by an EV8 advance.  EV8 shouldB have performed no worse that EV7, but the statement made by Compaq> was that EV8 would not have been sufficiently better than EV7.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:17:49 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>j" Subject: Re: job scheduling in VMS< Message-ID: <howard-B5B2A3.21174917112002@enews.newsguy.com>  = In article <f72c17cd.0211171706.2d2fb8be@posting.google.com>,o!  nws@fmo.esf.edu.hk (N.ws) wrote:n  H > would any one could give me an example of how to run a job (a command)9 > at a spcify time once a day? for example, my commnad is : > reply/all "The system will be out of service in 15 mins"H > at 5:45pm every day, i want to run this job as a notice for all users.C > what can i do in openvms? (i am very new in vms)thank you for yout > reply.  D Create a command script (.com) with whatever commands you want, and * submit it (and have it submit itself) with   SUBMIT/AFTER="TOMORROW+17:45"m   -- e4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:53:17 +1100w1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>y" Subject: Re: job scheduling in VMS, Message-ID: <3DD8AA7D.6070809@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Howard S Shubs wrote:e? > In article <f72c17cd.0211171706.2d2fb8be@posting.google.com>,n# >  nws@fmo.esf.edu.hk (N.ws) wrote:  >  > H >>would any one could give me an example of how to run a job (a command)9 >>at a spcify time once a day? for example, my commnad isR: >>reply/all "The system will be out of service in 15 mins"H >>at 5:45pm every day, i want to run this job as a notice for all users.C >>what can i do in openvms? (i am very new in vms)thank you for your >>reply. >  > F > Create a command script (.com) with whatever commands you want, and , > submit it (and have it submit itself) with >  > SUBMIT/AFTER="TOMORROW+17:45"d > I And the command file name, and where is the logfile (default=sys$login)? l   And any parameters?b   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************g  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisegB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.7  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the c= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with 7C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesd> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:22:21 +0100u/ From: "Jean-Yves Meuric" <jy.meuric@wanadoo.fr>T" Subject: Re: job scheduling in VMS3 Message-ID: <araigt$7i4$1@news-reader10.wanadoo.fr>p  @ Many years ago, I used a "crontab"-like system to launch jobs at+ given times of given days, given months ...b Was very useful and simple. 7 I can retrieve the source code if anyone is interested.l  
 Jean-Yves.  H "Paddy O'Brien" <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> a crit dans le message de' news: 3DD8AA7D.6070809@tg.nsw.gov.au...y >  >n > Howard S Shubs wrote:pA > > In article <f72c17cd.0211171706.2d2fb8be@posting.google.com>,C% > >  nws@fmo.esf.edu.hk (N.ws) wrote:  > >4 > >nJ > >>would any one could give me an example of how to run a job (a command); > >>at a spcify time once a day? for example, my commnad is,< > >>reply/all "The system will be out of service in 15 mins"J > >>at 5:45pm every day, i want to run this job as a notice for all users.E > >>what can i do in openvms? (i am very new in vms)thank you for you 
 > >>reply. > >  > >rG > > Create a command script (.com) with whatever commands you want, andc. > > submit it (and have it submit itself) with > >i! > > SUBMIT/AFTER="TOMORROW+17:45"g > > J > And the command file name, and where is the logfile (default=sys$login)? >   And any parameters?  >t > Regards, Paddy >m >o >? >eI > ***********************************************************************g >pE > "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged%? > and confidential information intended only for the use of the3C > addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient ofhE > this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise C > the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,.9 > distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.s >HB > If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGridB > immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the> > individual sender except where the sender expressly and withE > authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesn@ > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses > contained in any attachment. > > > Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now& > firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au" >aI > ***********************************************************************  >    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 10:16:26 -0800; From: JNCHAMBL@TEXASCHILDRENSHOSPITAL.ORG (Jesse Chambless)-" Subject: Re: job scheduling in VMS= Message-ID: <764ccbac.0211181016.101d4043@posting.google.com>   
 Jean-Yves,  K Auto-Sched.  From a very old DECUS Sig tape.  Works great!  We use it here.i  j "Jean-Yves Meuric" <jy.meuric@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<araigt$7i4$1@news-reader10.wanadoo.fr>...B > Many years ago, I used a "crontab"-like system to launch jobs at- > given times of given days, given months ...t > Was very useful and simple.a9 > I can retrieve the source code if anyone is interested.  >  > Jean-Yves. > J > "Paddy O'Brien" <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> a crit dans le message de) > news: 3DD8AA7D.6070809@tg.nsw.gov.au...o > >d > >o > > Howard S Shubs wrote: C > > > In article <f72c17cd.0211171706.2d2fb8be@posting.google.com>,S' > > >  nws@fmo.esf.edu.hk (N.ws) wrote:a > > >n > > >"L > > >>would any one could give me an example of how to run a job (a command)= > > >>at a spcify time once a day? for example, my commnad is"> > > >>reply/all "The system will be out of service in 15 mins"L > > >>at 5:45pm every day, i want to run this job as a notice for all users.G > > >>what can i do in openvms? (i am very new in vms)thank you for you  > > >>reply. > > >e > > >sI > > > Create a command script (.com) with whatever commands you want, and=0 > > > submit it (and have it submit itself) with > > >n# > > > SUBMIT/AFTER="TOMORROW+17:45"a > > >gL > > And the command file name, and where is the logfile (default=sys$login)? > >   And any parameters?- > >- > > Regards, Paddy > >2 > >2 > >0 > > K > > ***********************************************************************g > > G > > "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged A > > and confidential information intended only for the use of the-E > > addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of G > > this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise8E > > the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,s; > > distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.P > >ID > > If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGridD > > immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the@ > > individual sender except where the sender expressly and withG > > authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesDB > > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses  > > contained in any attachment. > >-@ > > Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now( > > firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au" > >oK > > ***********************************************************************g > >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:27:06 +0000t From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.comB Subject: Memo:  Re: Identifying a MOP load client with DECnet/PlusE Message-ID: <OFA11A14A7.C4090312-ON80256C75.004E0C7B@systems.uk.hsbc>i   <BLATANT_PLUG>  G Get EMU off the Freeware disk and install it somewhere on the LAN. (Not ( VMSInstal or PCSI but still pretty easy)C Run it and wait at least 20 min (a couple of hours would be better)h8 Run up the interface menu and select device then report. Get the MOP reportD The result is a comma separated list (suitable for excel or find theI procedure that makes it columnar for TPU) for all MOP devices (translatedsB into something readable), names,  Ethernet device etc.,  and whereD appropriate, the software requested and  the number of times loaded.  2 Any problems, contact the mail address in the doc.   </BLATANT_PLUG>   C Among other things, the package reads the MOP SYSID frames that alliI (conforming) MOP devices send periodically and in something like 64 byteslH provides a wealth of network management info. Too bad more manufacturersK did not follow DEC's example. I'm not sure the 'S' in SNMP should stand fore Simple.i   Regards    Paul      ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **   D ********************************************************************A This E-mail is confidential.  It may also be legally privileged. yD If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or @ use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, G please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender - immediately by return E-mail.   C Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure, . error or virus-free. /A The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions.e  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:10:09 +0100 (MET)I9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>d$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS; Message-ID: <01KP0J1OE8SY9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>I  J > Certainly that is an illogical choice.  It seems to me it must have beenP > made by someone who had never worked in a production shop with real operators.K > OPER should convey only the ability to affect coarse scheduling regardinghI > how others can use the system, not use of the system by the person with ' > OPER.  Valid uses that I know of are:v > 2 > 	Log in when logins are disabled (somebody must) > 	Control batch queues1 > 	Receive OPCOM messagesn	 > 	SYSMAN  > J > They should have used the same privilege as DECnet (LOG_IO as I recall).   PING also needs OPER.d   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:04:57 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS. Message-ID: <aravip$3ph$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes in article <3DD5EE13.9341DF46@vl.videotron.ca> dated Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:04:53 -0500:0N >SYSPRV essentially gets you access to any/all files. So it is a very powerful >privilege..  K SYSPRV gives you read/write access to the "system", not just files.  Yes it  is very (all-) powerful.  O >However, it is used for many other purposes. For instance, the MAIL$ routines,uN >you need SYSPRV to change the "FROM" line of a message you are sending. And IL >believe that TCPIP services , you need SYSPRV to create a socket on a known >port. >sM >Shouldn't the VMS folks have kept SYSPRV solely for file accces, and made it L >such that another privilege would be required for non-file accesses such as >the two examples above ?   G The VMS architects obviously decided that the default user shouldn't beo" allowed to forge the From: line.    K There is a mechanism though.  Create an identifier called FORGE_MAIL, grantoI it to whomever you choose, write a program that forges mail (checking for J the presence of the FORGE_MAIL identifier first), and install that programE with SYSPRV.  That way you don't have to grant SYSPRV to these users.   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orga> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:45:40 GMTo9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>t$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS/ Message-ID: <3DD9180D.418A3429@eps.zko.dec.com>E   Phillip Helbig wrote:i  ) > > OPER.  Valid uses that I know of are:n > >m > :y   > > L > > They should have used the same privilege as DECnet (LOG_IO as I recall). >  > PING also needs OPER.n  O This is IMHO a classic example of OpenVMS trying to piss off the world by being % as different as they can possibly be.aO Best I know every single other OS out there allows a random user to 'ping xyz'.vI On vms (using the vms suggested tcp package) you first have to know whereu3 to find it (UCX$PING) and then you need privs. :-(.tO The argument is probably that just defining a 'ping' command this 'late' in therB cycle could upset customer with an other ping command. ya right...   Just a silly rant, Cheers,  Hein.p   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:49:52 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS; Message-ID: <01KP0SQBMZ8YA23PDU@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>:   > > PING also needs OPER.( > H > This is IMHO a classic example of OpenVMS trying to piss off the world1 > by being as different as they can possibly be. h  < Not sure about the motivation, but that is often the result.  E > Best I know every single other OS out there allows a random user toa > 'ping xyz'.    Right.  E > On vms (using the vms suggested tcp package) you first have to knowt< > where to find it (UCX$PING) and then you need privs. :-(.    Right.  J > The argument is probably that just defining a 'ping' command this 'late'B > in the cycle could upset customer with an other ping command. ya > right... t  F I don't know how valid is, but I read somewhere that the argument was A that with /NUMBER_PACKETS and /PACKET_SIZE one could conceivably  D overload a system, thus only those with OPER should have this power.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 09:06:31 -0800, From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive)$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS= Message-ID: <b10654c6.0211180906.4eeb0505@posting.google.com>e  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<pR$4u4reFy5B@eisner.encompasserve.org>...n > In article <zvwB9.23263$6g.6404635@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: > > JF Mezei wrote:A > > J > >> SYSPRV essentially gets you access to any/all files. So it is a very  > >> powerful privilege. > >  > > Yes. > > J > >> However, it is used for many other purposes. For instance, the MAIL$ I > >> routines, you need SYSPRV to change the "FROM" line of a message you H > >> are sending. And I believe that TCPIP services , you need SYSPRV to% > >> create a socket on a known port.e > > F > > I can see that having SYSPRV to impersonate another user for MAIL. > > I > > However the last time I looked at the TCPIP documentation, only OPER -< > > privilege was needed to create a socket on a known port. > J > Certainly that is an illogical choice.  It seems to me it must have beenP > made by someone who had never worked in a production shop with real operators.K > OPER should convey only the ability to affect coarse scheduling regardingdI > how others can use the system, not use of the system by the person withw' > OPER.  Valid uses that I know of are:W > 2 > 	Log in when logins are disabled (somebody must) > 	Control batch queuesr > 	Receive OPCOM messages 	 > 	SYSMAN  > J > They should have used the same privilege as DECnet (LOG_IO as I recall).  F An aside to the SYSPRV issues discussed (since you mentioned OPER...),E but I never cared much for having SYS$BRKTHRU(W) rolled into the OPEReA priv arena.  Never made sense to me.  I realize REPLY/REQUEST usetD SYS$BRKTHRU, but I never thought (and still don't think) SYS$BRKTHRU@ belongs to OPER.  Should be tied to GROUP and WORLD, IMO.  DoubtC seriously it would change now after having been tied to OPER for sooF long, but if someone in VMS Engineering reads this, it's my two cents.   chris  -----. chris at technologEase dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:21:12 -0500n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)6 Subject: Re: New AlphaServer models (ES47, GS1280) ???K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1711021421120001@1cust146.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>o  C In article <ipcdtu8eq2vssep21qb7ge1khn3jki7vk0@4ax.com>, Alan Greiga <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:s  F >On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:51:21 -0500, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert >Deininger) wrote: >a >>IiH >>Again, I guess these statements were delivered with at least a partialI >>dose of "wishful thinking".  I saw a 4 processor prototype running (farlJ >>from perfectly) almost exactly a year ago.  "Larger than 32P" would have >>been fantasy at that point.o >0B >Unfortunately you are completely incorrect. Several other regularB >posters were present, we even saw a photograph of the machine (orF >maybe it was the 64p box) and were given the exact dates on which EV7E >1p, 4p, 16p, 32p, 64p machines booted. He didn't give a date for the F >GS1280 but confrmed it had just booted Unix. By design,. you can justD >glue these things together. If you saw a 4p box running then  16 ofE >these bolted together would build a 64p box. Is it any surprise thatcF >the design lab wanted to boot a 64p or 128p box at least once as soon
 >they could..t   Sorry, this is impossible.  J The person who showed me the 4p system and described progress to that timeG was the VMS engineer who did the bulk of the VMS programming to supportuF EV7.  The date of 1st boot was somewhat later than the dates that haveG been posted here.  (It was after the June 2001 alpha anouncement.)  VMSt3 and Unix first boot were within days of each other.d  I By design, you can "just glue them together".  In practice however, it ist somewhat more involved.n  G There isn't a 1P EV7 system in the plans.  If an early 1P prototype wasiJ ever built (this is the first I have heard of it), the hardware was so oddA it wasn't really on the mainstream of EV7 system design.  All EV7 J processor modules for the upcoming systems come two processors at a time. I You won't be able to buy a 1P, 3P, or any other system with an odd numberI of processors.  I A Tru64 engineer I talked to within the last month told me they have justeJ recently began exercising the new code that lets them use more than 64P inH a single SMP box.  There were 64P systems assembled at that time, but noJ 128P.  (Two 64P systems were cleverly deployed right next to each other so they can be connected later.)-  D In the early days, they'd have been working with very few good CPUs,J spread out between various test and qual labs and the OS groups.  DevotingI 128 working processors (if there were that many back then) to toying withrG a big system would have just delayed critical work on the smaller stuff  that will ship first./    F >The Compaq manager who gave the talk was undoubtedly in a position toC >know what he was talking about. Search back a year or more ago andq$ >you'll find out if you really want.  F Managers vs. Engineers.  I trust what I hear from engineers on details7 like this.  Especially the ones who are doing the work.8  E >This was all built with first pass chips, which, he pointed out, was0@ >really incredible. Yes there were some bugs, but far fewer thanB >expected and they could work round them in firmware/software well% >enough to reliably run Unix and VMS.   , Piffle.  Stuff and nonsense.  Manager-speak.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:28:44 +0100iC From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> , Subject: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS> Message-ID: <00A17275.BC36AFF6.3@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>   PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT ====================  7 DVDwrite for OpenMVS now supports DVD "Plus" R(W), too.N  D As most of you know, there is a fight between two techniques how theH burning process of DVD should take places. There are two fractions, one ) favour DVD-R(W) and one DVD+R(W) burning.a  C Because DVD-R(W) is an official standard I wrote DVDwrite for these'A DVD burners. Nevertheless there are some advantages of DVD+RW oneT cannot ignore.  X Therefore DVDwrite Version 1.5 now supports as well DVD+R(W) as DVD-R(W) in one program.X The program recognizes the medium inserted and selects accordindly the burning commands.[ The "PLUS" part of the program has been tested with a Philips DVDRW228 with Firmware 1.29.    _ I offer program for free for the first one, who tests my program with the following DVD burner:    Sony DRU500A or NEC ND-1100A.   * Both are able to burn PLUS and MINUS DVDs.  \ Please keep in mind that modern DVD-ROM drives read DVD+R(W) and DVD-R(W) without problems.   ( For further information see my homepage:   http://home.tiscali.de/dvdwriteh   Regardsa EberhardO ===============================================================================    Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" Univ. Konstanz Fakultaet fuer ChemieS Universitaets-Strasse 10 D-78464 Konstanz Germanym. Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139* email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de  O ===============================================================================r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:47:38 -0700t. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS books : seeking advice D Message-ID: <OF3DEE9700.C8DE407C-ON07256C75.00512544@mck.us.ray.com>   Folks:  J Repeating an earlier post ... there is a 30% discount in effect right now.   >t > Folks: >T > http://www.openvms.compaq.comA >xK > really does work.  Look for the Digital Press logo on the bottom right ofe6 > the first page.  It's orange on my Netscape browser.   > dave.           4 Georges A. Tomazi <gt@diapason.com> wrote in message4 news:<phg8tukfkjbpdhm9d8b492nu7id0ugsmpf@4ax.com>... > Hi - > H > I'm looking for a good introductory book on OpenVMS, from newbie levelA > to intermediate/advanced covering usage and administration, forr+ > someone with some strong Unix background.b >tG > I've found at least three that may fit (and available here in France)g > :v >oF > * The Operating systems handbook: Unix, OpenVMS, OS/400, VM, MVS (D.# > DuCharme - McGraw-Hill GB, 1994).  > F > * Unix for OpenVMS users, second edition (P. Bourne - Digital Press, > 1998). > B > * Introduction to OpenVMS, 5th edition (L. Rice - Digital Press, > 1999). >l > Any recommendation ? >i > Thx, > 	 > Georges-  F Some of my recommendations are old but the basics are there. There are$ new versions of some of these books.     Recommendations:  8 VMS:                 VAX/VMS Operating Systems Concepts,7                               David Donald Miller, 1992eA VMS File System:     VMS File System Internals, Kirby McCoy, 1990eD VMS IO:              VAX I/O Subsystems: Optimizing Performance, Ken
 Bates 1991> DCL:                 VAX/VMS Writing Real DCL Programs in DCL,;                               Paul C. Anagnostopoulos, 1989c? VMS General:         A Beginner's Guide to VAX/VMS Utilites anda Applications;                      Ronald M. Sawey & Troy T. Stokes, 1989e    Daryl Jones   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:29:56 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com># Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger FlippingH0 Message-ID: <01C28EED.8008D110@sulfer.icius.com>  C America does have culture. Unfortunately it's becoming resistant to-
 penicillin...    [dons asbestos underwear]3   Shane    -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]e* Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 10:51 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComK# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippinge     Paul Sture wrote:n% > American cheese has no culture? :-)<  4 What's the difference between The USA and yoghourt ?  3 Yoghurt has culture ... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)e   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 05:46:15 -0800  From: seremil@email.it (Seremil)H Subject: Re: Problem with Hunter Goatley's ODS2 win version and MO drive= Message-ID: <1c729d32.0211180546.219472f0@posting.google.com>o  f goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) wrote in message news:<3dd568e2.109039220@news.process.com>...B > On 15 Nov 2002 09:07:31 -0800, seremil@email.it (Seremil) wrote: > 	 > >Hi all I > >I'm tryng to use old MO 512byte/sector cartridges writed on a Microvaxe> > >VMS 6.2 machine using the Hunter's ODS2 reader for windows.B > >I'm tried with windows2000, windows98 but allways with the same? > >result: when i mount the drive letter at the $ prompt i havee > > ' > >"Could not find suitale ASPI device"c > >" Mount failed with 8"  > >l	 > >error.sE > >The MO drive works fine: i can read and write in windows formattedm
 > >cartridgesf  > >The ASPI check give me all OK > > E > Not all ASPIs are created equally, apparently.  The ASPI driver I'mdE > using (and the one another person recently tried to make this work)r" > came from the link on this page: > 5 > http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/index.php?pg=requiress > : > If you install that ASPI driver, everything should work. >  > Hunter > ------; > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/s: > goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/> > New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/    C I do a lot of try, in Win98 and Win2000. I used the wnaspi32.dll ine! cdexos site, but allways the same C - with the adaptec ASPI 4.71.2 installed, i changed the dll file inc' the winnt\system32 directory -- NOTHINGAC - i deleted all ASPI layer's files, i copied only the cdex's dll ind winnt\system32 -- NOTHINGwF The unit works fine, i can read and write windows cartridges, but with# ODS2 i have allways the same error.e- If i check the ASPI with aspi_you.exe i have:o   C:\adaptec>aspi_you -l -vr * Verbose mode (-v)r Num Adapters = 3 Scanning up to 8 ID'si Scanning up to 8 LUN's, Ho/ID/Lu Manufac  Model            Rev  Type9 ---------------------------------------------------------e; 0,0,0    SAMSUNG  SV1533D          ML20 Disk       status=1o; 0,1,0    IC35L120 AVVA07-0         VA6O Disk       status=1-; 2,1,0    SONY     SMO-C501-00      2.22 Disk       status=1e   C:\adaptec>l  ; For the ODS2 utility, the only important ASPI driver is thecB wnaspi32.dll, or there is other importants file of the ASPI layer?   Thanks Byei Emilio   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:34:20 -05000: From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb@email.usps.gov>* Subject: Recall: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSiK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E49028BEC49@rlghncst964.usps.gov>e  E Webb, William W Raleigh, NC would like to recall the message, "CD-RW:t Plextor PX-W124TSi".   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:20:44 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>2 Subject: Re: serial console on VAXstation 3100 M38. Message-ID: <3DD8E92B.DA1CDECB@mindspring.com>   JF Mezei wrote:u  N > Or, if you are adventurous, take a normal RJ11 plug, and remove the tab, and, > then you should be able to use the plug...  / Someone mentioned here that you could, in fact,,) take a Dremel Moto-Tool and trim off just ( *PART* of the MMJ tab, leaving a smaller/ tab that would still latch in an MMJ. (It wouldr. be weaker, of course, but some is still better than none.)   % I haven't tried this myself, so YMMV.t   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:22:55 GMTd# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t9 Subject: Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.-I Message-ID: <PQ5C9.104334$oRV.30526@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:o5iftu81c3ml0iak00dd7unqbsupv5lp0i@4ax.com... > >tK > >Santa Claus is an americanized (?) version of St. Nicholas (St. Nikolaass inK > >Dutch); this saint celebrates his birthday on 6 December. His arrival in  the  >mF > Worse. The current image of Santa Claus was actually created by Coca1 > Cola early this century. Holidays are coming...,  G I wonder when Coca-Cola will begin exercising its intellectual propertyfI rights in the image and demand that all and sundry cease and desist usingn- the copyright materials or derivates thereof.f  I If Coca-Cola licensed the image for $0.01 per impression, they'd probablyn5 make more money from that than selling sugared water.a   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:49:36 +0100 (MET)39 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>c9 Subject: Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.d; Message-ID: <01KP0MH46NPOA23PDU@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>m  F > Worse. The current image of Santa Claus was actually created by Coca1 > Cola early this century. Holidays are coming...   C I think snopes debunked this....Can't point you to a URL, but go tosE http://www.snopes.com/index.html then to cokelore and you'll see thate red bullet.,   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 07:27:54 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a9 Subject: Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.a3 Message-ID: <O$xmjiqq8a7o@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  ` In article <ar60qp$fg264$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > > I realize this is totally OT, but this is a good and diverse( > group and the curiosity is killing me. > A > How many people here saw the local "arrival of Santa Claus" andn@ > therefore, the beginning of the Christmas shopping season thisB > weekend (as opposed to the traditionl Thanksgiving weekend which > is still two weeks away)?? >   E    Not here.  I've seen some Satna picture setups in the malls, but Ia'    haven't seen them manned (or elved).r  D    I have started shopping (one year I actually got my shopping doneC    before Thanksgiving).  But the season doesn't really start untilg    Macy's says so.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 07:30:18 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t9 Subject: Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.l3 Message-ID: <4CTkj7vtFdq2@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  a In article <3DD699C2.88892F9@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:s > P > Look at it from the merchant's point of view: in order to get sufficient stockJ > of this year's hot toys, they have to place very early orders with earlyM > deliveries (september usually). So the earlier they can start to sell them,aO > the less inventory they must keep and interest paid for payment of those toysi > to the chinese manufacturers.1  G    IMHP September is much too late.  When I worked for a mechant we set-     up the displays in September.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:43:46 -0800V$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>9 Subject: RE: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.a0 Message-ID: <01C28EEF.6EC0C410@sulfer.icius.com>  F There used to be a road in Stoke on Trent where the families seemed toE compete on how early they could put the decorations up. Every year it F crept earlier and earlier. IIRC they were starting in mid October last time I drove down there.   Shanew   -----Original Message-----+ From: Michael Unger [mailto:unger@decus.de]h' Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:49 AMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml9 Subject: Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.y    + "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:i  A > How many people here saw the local "arrival of Santa Claus" and.@ > therefore, the beginning of the Christmas shopping season thisB > weekend (as opposed to the traditionl Thanksgiving weekend which > is still two weeks away)?? > B > Is this an attempt to bolster the numbers for Christmas sales so@ > that the economy can be painted in a better light or is it yet# > another stupid local trick here??q  C You should feel lucky. Here in Germany a lot of shops (supermarkets C mostly) started selling stollen cake, ginger bread and similar foodfB around the end of August (no, I'm NOT joking); in some regions the( summer school holidays weren't yet over.   Michaeln   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:55:27 GMTt2 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@bogus.address>9 Subject: Re: Something totally OT, but here it is anyway.0D Message-ID: <zIaC9.5956$PU4.394@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:o5iftu81c3ml0iak00dd7unqbsupv5lp0i@4ax.com...B > On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:14:10 +0100, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> > wrote: >  > >n: > >"Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> schreef in bericht2 > >news:ar60qp$fg264$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... > >>A > >> I realize this is totally OT, but this is a good and diverse5+ > >> group and the curiosity is killing me.n > >>D > >> How many people here saw the local "arrival of Santa Claus" andC > >> therefore, the beginning of the Christmas shopping season thisvE > >> weekend (as opposed to the traditionl Thanksgiving weekend which  > >> is still two weeks away)??  > >>	 > >[snip]  > >-K > >Santa Claus is an americanized (?) version of St. Nicholas (St. Nikolaase inK > >Dutch); this saint celebrates his birthday on 6 December. His arrival in. the  >jF > Worse. The current image of Santa Claus was actually created by Coca1 > Cola early this century. Holidays are coming...7  0 I think you mean last century, but regardless...  K The image began to form around 1822 when "T'was the Night before Christmas"e was published.  6  He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,7 And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot;f* A bundle of toys he had flung on his back,3 And he looked like a peddler just opening his pack.>  5 His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry! 3 His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry! / His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,u3 And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow;T  / The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth,n2 And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;- He had a broad face and a little round belly, 4 That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly.  / He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,a1 And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself;f* A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,, Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;  * Just missing the red suit, pretty much ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:08:59 -0000a, From: "Colin" <findlayc@turpinltdTURNIP.com>  Subject: Strange ACL discrepancy1 Message-ID: <ufacnWCSk9f6RUWgXTWc0Q@giganews.com>t  	 Hi there.r  $ Does anyone out there know why this:  C XPS_AMAZON> SHOW ACL/OBJECT_TYPE=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE "LNM_XPS_FILES"sA Object type: LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE,  Object name: LNM_XPS_FILES,  ons 8-NOV-2002 14:12:56.343           (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+CREATE) 8           (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+CREATE)   results from this:  + $       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE -s<                 /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE) -                 LNM_XPS_FILES*+ $       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE --A                 /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) --                 LNM_XPS_FILES.   ?   / In other words, why does EXECUTE become CREATE?a       Regards, Colin.                    B Does anyone out there know for sure whether these SET ACL commands   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:02:35 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>d$ Subject: Re: Strange ACL discrepancy/ Message-ID: <uthp79i14vf782@corp.supernews.com>g   Colin wrote:   > Hi there.. >.& > Does anyone out there know why this: >pE > XPS_AMAZON> SHOW ACL/OBJECT_TYPE=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE "LNM_XPS_FILES" C > Object type: LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE,  Object name: LNM_XPS_FILES,  ono > 8-NOV-2002 14:12:56.345 >           (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+CREATE) : >           (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+CREATE) >i > results from this: >5- > $       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE -t> >                 /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE) - >                 LNM_XPS_FILES - > $       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE -cC >                 /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) -t >                 LNM_XPS_FILESi > 1 > In other words, why does EXECUTE become CREATE?n  > The notion of Execute for a logical name table has no meaning.= Therefore the bit in the access mask normally associated with?= Execute for other security objects has been "overloaded" with*= something that makes sense for the logical name table object,m namely Create.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:40:20 -0000I, From: "Colin" <findlayc@turpinltdTURNIP.com>$ Subject: Re: Strange ACL discrepancy1 Message-ID: <yL2cnUjeVqh9ZkWgXTWcpg@giganews.com>e  # Thanks chaps. Makes a lot of sense.a  B "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message, news:bO=YPUiaS=jZTJT7VOTUxxrsb4kg@4ax.com... >sF > Probably because the ACL is for an object type of LOGICAL_NAME_TABLEH > and not for an object type of FILE and the corresponding privilege for6 > CREATE on a logical name table is EXECUTE on a file. >  > David R. Beatty  >u- > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:08:59 -0000, "Colin"f' > <findlayc@turpinltdTURNIP.com> wrote:. >  > >Hi there. > > ' > >Does anyone out there know why this:n > > F > >XPS_AMAZON> SHOW ACL/OBJECT_TYPE=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE "LNM_XPS_FILES"D > >Object type: LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE,  Object name: LNM_XPS_FILES,  on > >8-NOV-2002 14:12:56.34v6 > >          (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+CREATE); > >          (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+CREATE)S > >s > >results from this:8 > >1. > >$       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE -? > >                /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE) -i  > >                LNM_XPS_FILES. > >$       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE -D > >                /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) -  > >                LNM_XPS_FILES > >i > >? > >f2 > >In other words, why does EXECUTE become CREATE? > >p > >  > >a > >Regards,e > >Colin > >  > >e > >n > >t > >  > >  > >Y > >  > >  > >yE > >Does anyone out there know for sure whether these SET ACL commandse > >D > >D > >8 > >. > >o > >. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:51 -050005 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>u$ Subject: Re: Strange ACL discrepancy2 Message-ID: <dBvZPZle4dEv6ttvWgKWvtcdcmXv@4ax.com>  7 You're welcome.  I noticed something similar with queuef5 privileges quite some time back, I think around V6.2.    David R. Beattyi  + On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:40:20 -0000, "Colin"n% <findlayc@turpinltdTURNIP.com> wrote:s  $ >Thanks chaps. Makes a lot of sense. > C >"David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message - >news:bO=YPUiaS=jZTJT7VOTUxxrsb4kg@4ax.com...c >>G >> Probably because the ACL is for an object type of LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE I >> and not for an object type of FILE and the corresponding privilege forn7 >> CREATE on a logical name table is EXECUTE on a file.  >> >> David R. Beatty >>. >> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:08:59 -0000, "Colin"( >> <findlayc@turpinltdTURNIP.com> wrote: >>
 >> >Hi there.* >> >( >> >Does anyone out there know why this: >> >G >> >XPS_AMAZON> SHOW ACL/OBJECT_TYPE=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE "LNM_XPS_FILES"tE >> >Object type: LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE,  Object name: LNM_XPS_FILES,  on  >> >8-NOV-2002 14:12:56.347 >> >          (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+CREATE)a< >> >          (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+CREATE) >> > >> >results from this: >> >/ >> >$       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE -t@ >> >                /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE) -! >> >                LNM_XPS_FILESn/ >> >$       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE - E >> >                /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) -u! >> >                LNM_XPS_FILES  >> > >> >?  >> >3 >> >In other words, why does EXECUTE become CREATE?a >> > >> > >> > >> >Regards,	 >> >Colina >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >F >> >Does anyone out there know for sure whether these SET ACL commands >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >* >* >* >* >*   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:11:08 GMT,0 From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com>A Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002C2 Message-ID: <wi8C9.21$4Z3.717956@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/index.html    sorryr   -warren   F "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3dd18b7a$1@news.si.com...A > >The real files are also available for download as a zip set ataK > >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25/index.html (the mpg's will haveo > >links tomorrow).u >b > From HP's server:t > The requested document5 "http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25/index.html"n > was not found on this server.t > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeC > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com ? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:29:50 -0500C2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)> Subject: Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor)K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1711021429500001@1cust146.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>*  F In article <BqwBO699T0Px@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul
 Sture) wrote:u   >In articled@ <rdeininger-1511022204120001@1cust215.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:
 >> In articleaL >> <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B62@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,+ >> "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:r >> d >>>Mark, >>>sH >>>As a fyi - Here is what the latest Alpha ES45 1.25Mhz system producesF >>>when a $show cpu/full is entered: (dual CPU system). Hopefully, the3 >>>formatting does not get munged with email, but -- >> -H >> Kerry, you're sending with stinkware from the Gates of Hell.  This is" >> microslop's idea of plain text: >> c. >>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>Content-Type: text/plain;# >>>              charset="us-ascii"  >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >> e >t< >I have just inspected a couple of emails that I sent my VMS? >system from work using Outlook. They too come with the headerso> >above. Outlook has been set to send "text only" messages (and= >the checkbox is greyed out so I cannot change it), yet thosetA >headers remain. The text however, _is_ straight unmolested text.g  D Is it really?  Text that doesn't contain the quoted-printable escape# character "=" will usually look ok.y  G A mail reader that knows how to interpret quoted-printable will convertG5 the gibberish back to plain text when it displays it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:32:24 -0500K2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)> Subject: Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor)K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1711021432240001@1cust146.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>r  
 In articleI <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B6C@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,y( "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:   >G'day Rob,P >gI >I sent the note formatted as plain text - did others also not receive myr >last post correctly?H  D You tried.  But outhouse 2000 won't do it, AFAIK.  The offers of 100 quatloos still stands.  J (I'm not worried about having to discover the exchange rate for quatloos.)  C >I use outlook 2000, but have not had any issues sending plain text H >before, but I must admit the ES45 output was cut-n-paste from a Keaterm >window.   Try this test...  F Send a "plain text" message consisting of "a=b+c" ( a equals b plus c)A from outhouse 2000 to your VMS mail account.  Look at the result.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:05:42 -0600i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> J Subject: Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar?' Message-ID: <3DD812B6.BADD2A35@fsi.net>e   Robert Deininger wrote:  > = > In article <3DD6D816.433FBBBB@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > >Ken Robinson wrote: > >>: > >> At 05:46 PM 11/15/2002 -0600, news.charter.net wrote:P > >> >This is VERY interesting; the "OpenVMS 7.3 new features and benefits" pageR > >> >(URL: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/v73features.html ) DEFINITELYF > >> >mentions the VAX. The corresponding page for OpenVMS 7.3-1 (URL:O > >> >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/v731features.html) does not. Can R > >> >someone point me at a roadmap showing HP's plans for OpenVMS VAX? Or is this	 > >> >IT?  > >>1 > >> If you look at the newest OpenVMS Roadmap ongK > >> <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/> you will see VAX mentioned on page 11tM > >> under "OpenVMS V8.2 (Topaz)" for ship in 2004.  That is the same releasen= > >> where the IA port is supposed to be ready for all users.o > >rK > >The better question is: when, if ever, will IA64 be ready for all users?b > L > I heard that special code will be added to VMS to disallow users DACHTERA,I > MEZEI, TODD, and a few others on IA64.  Everyone else should be in goods > shape in two years or so.- >  >  ;-)  F Then, I guess there will have to be code in the installation procedureE to demand a username and somehow detect that the (ab)user is lying. IVB can always use SYSTEM post-install, and login using an alias of my choice.a   :-Pd   -- ( David J. DachteraO dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:23:40 -0500r* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>J Subject: Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar?2 Message-ID: <v5mcnZttwt92i0WgXTWcoA@metrocast.net>  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageeE news:rdeininger-1711021434450001@1cust146.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...e= > In article <3DD6D816.433FBBBB@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"i  > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   ...t  K > >The better question is: when, if ever, will IA64 be ready for all users?_ >EL > I heard that special code will be added to VMS to disallow users DACHTERA,I > MEZEI, TODD, and a few others on IA64.  Everyone else should be in good0 > shape in two years or so.n  G Actually, not quite.  In two years the fastest available Itanic will beDC Montecito, and the fastest available Alpha will be EV79.  And whilemK Montecito may be about equal to EV79 in SPECint performance (mostly becausesK Montecito will be a full process generation ahead of EV79), EV79 will still"L leave it in the dust when it comes to bandwidth and MP scalability:  you mayJ be able to purchase high-processor-count Itanic systems by then, but theirK ability to make scalable use of all those processors won't hold a candle ton Marvel systems.   H So while Itanic may be ready for *some* users in two years, it certainlyF won't be ready for those with more stringent performance requirements:E they'll have to wait for some actual new developement from Intel, the J details of which (assuming it exists at all) are still cloaked from publicJ view but which clearly won't appear before 2005 - and if all that surfacesJ in 2005 is a dual-core Montecito, as has recently been hinted, rather thanL EV7-style on-chip glue, they'll have to wait until 2006-7 (the earliest that a new core could appear).k   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:16:54 +0100o9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>tJ Subject: Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar?' Message-ID: <3DD8E846.5AE2B1F5@aaa.com>g   JF Mezei wrote:o >  > Robert Deininger wrote:qN > > I heard that special code will be added to VMS to disallow users DACHTERA,K > > MEZEI, TODD, and a few others on IA64.  Everyone else should be in goode > > shape in two years or so.d > N > No problem, I'll change my name to HOFF and instantly gain access to all theP > hidden easter eggs and qualifiers that will magically become available :-) :-) > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  > A > I wonder what would happen if one user were named "HARRISSON" ?U  E Well, if you have sound in your box, you'll first hear a guitarr riff  andtE then someone singing "Hmmm, myyy Loooord, I realy what to see you, mys Lord"      :-)    Jan-Erik Sderholm.t   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 07:23:39 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)mJ Subject: Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar?3 Message-ID: <hpMwDQWNrWrl@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  b In article <3DD82C91.4B876540@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Robert Deininger wrote:>M >> I heard that special code will be added to VMS to disallow users DACHTERA,eJ >> MEZEI, TODD, and a few others on IA64.  Everyone else should be in good >> shape in two years or so. > N > No problem, I'll change my name to HOFF and instantly gain access to all theP > hidden easter eggs and qualifiers that will magically become available :-) :-) > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  > A > I wonder what would happen if one user were named "HARRISSON" ?s  <    DCL automatically invokes Ehud Gavron's eunichs emulator.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:03:23 -0000,* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>J Subject: Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at  Montagar?, Message-ID: <aravfs$1fmu@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  U "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:3DD8E846.5AE2B1F5@aaa.com...   B >> I wonder what would happen if one user were named "HARRISSON" ?K > Well, if you have sound in your box, you'll first hear a guitarr riff andhG > then someone singing "Hmmm, myyy Loooord, I realy what to see you, my  > Lord"M   "Here comes the Sun", surely.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:07:55 -0000 - From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com>tI Subject: RE: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at Montagar?eE Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CB086@tahiti.tinuk.com>t  = 7.3-1 would be Alpha only anyway. Why would they mention VAX?h  $ (I haven't looked at the pages BTW.)   Cheers   Steve St     > -----Original Message-----= > From: news.charter.net [mailto:bamalupieman@charter.net]=20e > Sent: 15 November 2002 23:46 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComsA > Subject: Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit=20  > at Montagar? >=20 >=20@ > This is VERY interesting; the "OpenVMS 7.3 new features and=20 > benefits" page
 > (URL:=20B > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/v73fe> atures.html )=203 > DEFINITELY mentions the VAX. The corresponding=20n > page for OpenVMS 7.3-1 (URL:@ > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/v731features.html)=20= > does not. Can someone point me at a roadmap showing HP's=20b' > plans for OpenVMS VAX? Or is this IT?, >=20	 > Thanks,  > Stuart Johnson > ssj152 AT charter DOT nett; > ion 7.3 new features & benefitsOpenVMS version 7.3 new=20 B > features & benefits "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net>=20@ > wrote in message news:YWmFgSkRo1nH@eisner.encompasserve.org...E > > In article <r8t4tug3a900d271ibr2470ntt3lpbkt2k@4ax.com>, Jamie=20e
 > > Stallwoodn9 > <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> writes:.2 > > > The site hasn't been updated for months now? > > * > > There is no VAX V7.3-1 release of VMS. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:56:38 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>i$ Subject: Re: [OT] HP has big cheeses3 Message-ID: <aZ8C9.27$D54.1147025@news.cpqcorp.net>    Roy Omond wrote in message ... >John Smith wrote: >w >> [...snip...]  >>F >> >>HP's big cheeses have repeatedly said that only industry standard >> >>stuff will survive. >> > >> >E >> >Aha, JF, I *knew* we'd come full circle and get back to the topic E >> >of cheeses :-)  Do you think that HP's big cheeses are all of thee >> >American cheese variety ?? >> >>H >> Yes. They are mass-market cheeses - featureless and bland, lacking in >> distinction.i >f@ >Yep, I was aware of that.  Mind you, some of them do sound like >European cheeses: >e* >Fiorina (soft, older cheese with a bite),9 >Marcello (mild cheese suitable for those with no teeth), > >Stallard (Stahlhardt in the original German, a cheese so hardF >   that it's impossible to eat, and even more impossible to stomach),D >Winkler (another German cheese designed to "eviscerate, eviscerate, >   eviscerate") >n; >and then there are the good cheeses, many of which seem to. >be Germanic in origin:t >m@ >Hoffman (a very pleasant cheese, with much hope for the future)A >Kleinsorge (a good cheese at heart, with very "little worry" :-)w> >Goldstein (the TECO cheese, very suitable as a Backup cheese)D >Skonetski (a bubbly Polish cheese, very popular among ambassadorial
 >   types) >0? >And how about some of the other cheeses found in comp.os.vms ?  >mC >Harrison (a cheese with a chip-on-its-shoulder, which often leavesb >   a bitter taste) F >Mezei (a cross between French and German cheeses, energetic, suitable >   for bicyclists)= >= >= >Any more suggestions ?= >=  ; Todd (it's not really cheese, but a processed food product)m   _Fred (what-me-worry?  ;-)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.638 ************************