1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 19 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 639       Contents:A Re:  Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support ph A Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support phone # E Re: Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support phone #  Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: Attaching files on VMSmail% RE: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates  Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi  Re: CSWS hangs Re: CSWS hangs Re: edit/edt/command! geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure ! Re: Getting the user owner string 5 Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign 5 Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign 5 Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign 5 Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign 1 HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign ) I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: Installing DCE raises multithread caution - Re: Installing DCE raises multithread caution  job scheduling in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping, Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread) Re: Patch installation Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1 Re: Strange ACL discrepancy 4 Re: syntax for PJL commands in a vms form setup file8 Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002& Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:46:29 -0500 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> J Subject: Re:  Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support phK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B9D@rlghncst964.usps.gov>    Good luck, Thomas.   You'll need it.   + The phone menus weren't too bad under DEC,    7 "for hardware support, press 1, for software, press 2".   = They got worse when DEC and Compaq merged, and now, with all  4 the HP stuff added in they're virtually unnavigable.  ? Trying to find such things now gets routed first through sales  3 and then to some place called the "welcome center"     It's anything but.  ( (or vice versa- I forget the order now.)  B I've been a customer since the d|i|g|i|t|a|l days, and these folks had never heard of me.  E To make a point, I called them again, and got my Gold Support TAM to  ' wade through the phone menus with me.     B It took *twenty minutes* for us to get where we were trying to go.   WWWebb  & Since Outlook stinks wrt attribution:     Thomas Wirt wrote: F  I can not find the old DEC pre-sales tech support phone #.  I used itB  in the last year or 2, but I can not find it on the Web.  The WebG  posted phone numbers are not helping me.  Please post (and email me if   you can) the #.    Thanks     Thomas Wirt   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 11:48:48 -0800% From: twirt@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) J Subject: Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support phone #= Message-ID: <89f79057.0211181148.5d9f08d4@posting.google.com>   E I can not find the old DEC pre-sales tech support phone #.  I used it A in the last year or 2, but I can not find it on the Web.  The Web F posted phone numbers are not helping me.  Please post (and email me if you can) the #.    Thanks   Thomas Wirt    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 14:40:39 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) N Subject: Re: Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support phone #3 Message-ID: <NKLeM75ycppH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <89f79057.0211181148.5d9f08d4@posting.google.com>, twirt@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) writes: G > I can not find the old DEC pre-sales tech support phone #.  I used it C > in the last year or 2, but I can not find it on the Web.  The Web H > posted phone numbers are not helping me.  Please post (and email me if > you can) the #.   '    Well the OLD one was 1-800-digital .    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:14:12 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) ' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail + Message-ID: <arbe63$e83$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   R In article <00A172B5.D5746707.13@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:4 >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: > P >> Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, a theoretical foreign mail protocol. >>P >> Lets assume that such a "plugin" would allow one to attach files when sending >> a VMSmail message.  >>J >> Would there be any prefered syntax to signal the files to be attached ? >> >> for instance:
 >> -------' >> TO: chocolate%Chef_Pierre@pastry.com = >> Subject: Please find inclosed my recipe for a great mousse  >> Enter text below: >> >> Cher Pierre,  >>K >> Ci-inclus sont des fichiers DECwrite avec des recettes incroyables d'une  >> mousse au chocolat.? >> @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse1.doc  application/decwrite 4 >> @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse.jpg  image/jpeg >> >> <ctrl-Z> 	 >> ------  >> >>N >> Apart from a @@@file_name_here, what other syntaxes could be used to signal >> inclusion of a file ? >  >  >$ MAIL  >MAIL> SEND /EDIT /ATTACH  >To: <recipient(s)>  >Subject: <subject>  >  ><body of the mail>  > 	 ><ctrl-Z>  > * >Enter name of file(s) to be attached: ... >  > F >That would of course require an enhanced mail utility -- but it is myE >understanding that composing the final mail message is a task of the F >mail utility itself and not of a transfer protocol. The original file6 >name(s) should be included along with the correct (!)  >file/application/document type. >  > + >Reading such a mail could be easy as well:  >  >$ MAIL 
 >MAIL> READ #  >  >... ... > $ >There are attachments to this mail.G >Please enter the location they shall be extracted to or press [ctrl-C] 3 >if you don't want them to be extracted: <location>  > F ><file name> extracted to <location>, file type: <file/app/doc type or >"unspecified">  >... >  >MAIL> >  >  >Michael  E What you want is the same improved interface as PMDF MAIL provides :-    ie  ; EMAIL> SEND /EDIT  filename.ext,filename2.ext,filename3.ext  To: <recipient(s)> Subject: <subject>   <body of the mail>    J With a configuration file to control what file extension maps to what Mime type.    and   
 EMAIL> READ #    ... ...   ' Content-type: application/octet-stream;   name="filename.doc"! Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 8 Content-disposition: attachment; filename="filename.doc"  = %EMAIL-W-UNKAPLTYPE, unknown application subtype octet-stream 2         Extract to a file with the EXTRACT command     Or even   ; with a  mailcap. file to tell it what helper program to run   * Content-type: image/gif; name=filename.gif! Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 6 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=filename.gif  " Display image (Y/N, default is N)?  C which on an X-windows display will use XV to display the gif image.       
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:07:23 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail / Message-ID: <3DD9487B.CC7BEEB1@vl.videotron.ca>    Rob Heyes wrote: > N > Take a look at Mime and see what you can find. Its quite highly undocumentedI > but you can do it with this, providing you have all of the latest TCPIP H > updates. I would send you more details but I am not at work this week.    N No, that is the whole point of my message. I would like to make it possible toN attach files in a normal VMS mail message freom the existing VMSmail characterH cell or xwindows software which the VMS engineers have so far refused to improve to 1990's technology.   M the MIME utility requires that you first compose your text message in a file, M then use MIME to assemble the message, and then use SFF to transmit it to the  SMTP system for tranmission.  J I would like to write a simple foreign protocol that does this from inside VMSmail's standard interface.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:56:10 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>. Subject: RE: Capellas was offered job by Gates0 Message-ID: <01C28EF1.27D61800@sulfer.icius.com>  D I see. So he was offered the number 3 slot at MS, but if he goes andH kills enough VMS customers first he gets to be number 2? - Errr, hang on a minute.... ;-)    I'm sorry, I couldn't resist it.   Shane    -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] ) Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:42 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates     Alan Greig wrote: E > According to the New York Times, Microsoft offered to make Capellas 1 > No.3, adopting the title of President and COO."  > @ > Hey maybe he'll just strip down WorldCom first then merge with > Microsoft.  F No, I think I found out what the strategy is. Capellas will "visit" as CEO,? all major remaining VMS customers, force the dumping of VMS and  replacement E with Windows crap, then leave as the company crumbles and go onto the  next VMS9 customer. Once VMS is dead, he gets his job at Microsoft.    :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:16:15 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates/ Message-ID: <3DD94A8E.EAF4E3EC@vl.videotron.ca>   K Latest I heard is that they have realised that Capellas isn't anywhere near L good enough for the job and Woldcom might be courting Rudolph Giuliani to beN chairman of the board of Worldcom to really clean up the ship in term of image	 etc etc.    L I.E. effectively demote Curly back to a president level (if not in title, inL effect) and have Giuliani run the shop. That would be brilliant for Worldcom if it is true.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:11:11 -0500 , From: David Michaels <michaedi@email.uc.edu>& Subject: Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi, Message-ID: <3DD93B4F.36BE2B1E@email.uc.edu>  
 VAXVMS wrote:  > ; > I am 'havening' a difficult time getting this one to work < > with parity on/off, block on/off or combinations of above.? > CD-RW firmware rev is 1.07 which according to Plextor website & > is latest available for this device. >  > System details: & > Personal Workstation 433a (hobbyist)	 > 1GB RAM  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 6 > Digital Qlogic 1020-based SCSI controller (wide, but, > running 2 narrow drives on same bus as CD) > = > I figured that the first thing to do would be to drop it in ; > in place of my regular CD drive check and check to see if " > it would read an ODS-2 CD-ROM--- > = > and got a %MOUNT message ending with "invalid media format" B > (sorry for the incomplete message there, pen at workbench died.) > 7 > CDRECORD -SCANBUS errors with a "wrong bus#" message.       E I think you should say cdrecord -scanbus and then specify the device.   H I run cdrecord on a VaxStation and I get the same type of message unless1 I say something like cdrecord -scanbus -dev=0,7,0   	 Good Luck  David michaels dmichaels@acm.org                    > < > so I thought I'd try booting from a VMS binaries CD to see5 > if the console would give me better error details--  > ) > failed to send Read to DKA300.3.0.200.0  > failed to read DKA300.0.200.0  > ) > Anybody used one of these successfully? ( > Any tips would be greatly appreciated. >  > ========================" > William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS > OpenVMS Support Services( > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800< > 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 15:37:36 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)  Subject: Re: CSWS hangs 3 Message-ID: <GmGNlfb0FVZb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <8IsA9.9$U35.392347@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes:  > 6 > "JOUKJ" <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote in message& > news:aqtegj$gdf$1@news.tudelft.nl...( >> winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote: >> >J >> > (The book only goes up to 1.2, where I didn't see that problem.  With > 1.3, I am L >> > seeing that problem, and I don't have an answer, although I notice that > itK >> > happens much less often if I crank up the total number of servers.  In K >> > addition, those servers all seem to be sitting happily in LEF at times  > whenJ >> > port 80 is totally unresponsive.  The main process is still alive and6 > responds > to a @SYS$STARTUP:APACHE$CONFIG RESTART.) >>H >>   I havae not seen the problem with the initial release of 1.2, but IH >> think it was introduced with the security patches last autumn also in3 >> 1.2. An upgrade to 1.3 did not give improvement.  > [snip] > J > We're currently investigating a problem where Apache servers hang in LEFN > state. If your servers are in LEF state, issue the command: $ tcipip sho devL > (or the equivalent command for the TCP/IP software you're running). Do you= > see a number of socket devices connected to port 80 or 443?   B I too have seen that problem on my CSWS 1.2 server.  I thought it A was someone trying to hack the system by DOSing the 443 port.  I  B didn't worry about a hack (this is VMS afterall) but I did wonder C what the problem was.  I talked with manager of the system with IP  B that had all the 443 ports locked up and he said that there was noA traffic at that time (I don't know the time lag between the CSWS    lockup and when I noticed it).    I I "fixed" it by commenting out the SSL stuff in the conf file.  I didn't  D need it since I wouldn't be allowing SSL connections after my ThawteD cert expired anyway (a few days in the future at that time).  I say D fixed in quotes because I haven't seen it repeated, but then I don't allow 443 through anymore.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 15:43:07 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)  Subject: Re: CSWS hangs 3 Message-ID: <RTIayQsiCxMI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <aqu2uq$pkk@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) writes: a > In article <8IsA9.9$U35.392347@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes: K > ~We're currently investigating a problem where Apache servers hang in LEF O > ~state. If your servers are in LEF state, issue the command: $ tcipip sho dev M > ~(or the equivalent command for the TCP/IP software you're running). Do you > > ~see a number of socket devices connected to port 80 or 443? > E > 	Since my Multinet expert isn't sitting right next to me right now, D > 	and without the standard TCPIP product from DEC/Compaq/HP to viewD > 	documentation on what the command cited above actually does, can 8 > 	you hint at the equivalent command for Multinet v4.4? > E > 	I see this situation regularly.  Used to be every day or so, upped C > 	my maxclients value from 20 to 60, and now it only happens every I > 	week or so.  But it does happen, with all APACHE$nnn processes sitting 
 > 	in LEF.   $ MU SHO /CONN=PROC    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:55 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: edit/edt/command - Message-ID: <18NOV200221554274@gerg.tamu.edu>   ' "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> writes... & }what is  /command for in a .com file. }  }edit/edt/command  }   - The same thing it is when not in a .com file.     The on-line help is your friend:   $ HELP EDIT/EDT/COMMAND    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:23:43 -0800 $ From: "K  Kong" <nws@fmo.esf.edu.hk>* Subject: geting parameter in DCL procedure. Message-ID: <arce9a$m6q$1@news.hk.linkage.net>   Hi, i am new to vms 3 how to get the value of parameter in DCL procedure? E according to some online samples, it can get pamarmeters inside a DCL  procedure. so i try this: ( --------my simple procedure (rs1.com)--- $ TYPE RS1.COM TYPE P1 0 ------run the procedure with 1 parameter ------- $ @RS1 "RS-BACKUP.COM"B %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]P1.LIS; -RMS-E-FNF, file not found ---------------------   D there is a file "rs-backup.com" there but it seems that P1 cannot be" reconized as "rs-backup.com". why?   thank you for your reply   K. Kong    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:29:57 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure. Message-ID: <3DD9CC43.5848EB3@vl.videotron.ca>  
 K Kong wrote:  > $ TYPE RS1.COM	 > TYPE P1 2 > ------run the procedure with 1 parameter ------- > $ @RS1 "RS-BACKUP.COM"    M 1- all lines that contain commands in a commadn procedure should begin with a 	 "$" sign.   A 2- In the above case, you need to tell DCL that "P1" is a symbol.    So you should have:   	 $TYPE 'P1     N You can get more help by typing "HELP" at the $ sign, and looking at any topic. that has text in lowercase (start with Hints).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:28:37 GMT + From: jcring@switch.com (John C. Ring, Jr.) * Subject: Re: Getting the user owner string, Message-ID: <arbkkb$ojj$1@usenet.switch.com>  y In article <Q7TA9.6123$h37.2453@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@bogus.address> wrote: K >Is there a RTL of some sort to get the owner field from the current user's 	 >account?  > J >I was hoping for something more elegant than using jpi_username to obtain; >the username, then FINGERing it and parsing out the owner.   K Here's a snippet of a DCL procedure I had lying about which (unsupported!)  / directly reads the information from the sysuaf.   	 $set noon  $on CONTROL_Y then goto DONE $on WARNING then goto DONE $say := write sys$output $!@ $!Values obtained via $LIB/EXTRACT=($UAFDEF) SYS$LIBRARY:LIB.MLB $! $UAF$T_USERNAME         = 4  $UAF$T_USERNAME_TAG     = 35 $UAF$T_ACCOUNT          = 52 $UAF$T_OWNER            = 84  $!Rest commented out for brevity $!< $if P1 .eqs. "" then read/prompt="Username: " sys$command P1 $usrnam = P16 $sysuaf = f$trnlnm("SYSUAF","LNM$SYSTEM",,"EXECUTIVE")8 $if sysuaf .eqs. "" then sysuaf := SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT $open/read/share uaf &sysuaf8 $read/index=0/key='usrnam' uaf uafrec /nolock/error=DONE $!5 $username       = f$extract(uaf$t_username,12,uafrec) 2 $owner          = f$extract(uaf$t_owner,31,uafrec) $! $say "''username' -- ''owner'" $! $DONE:
 $close uaf   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:04:03 -0800 , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign4 Message-ID: <arbdj4$gnk7o$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  H Boy, that flash ad at the top of http://disney.go.com is really going to impress  the CTO/CIO community!  NOT!   Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:13:56 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>> Subject: Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign/ Message-ID: <3DD94A03.25D4C23C@vl.videotron.ca>    Ken Farmer wrote: O >> HP powers more than 100 stock and commodity exchanges; we support 95 percent J > of the world's securities transactions; we help process two out of every" > three credit card transactions;     M You know, it is funny, but I still don't see HP as owner of Tandem or VMS, so N it is quite strange to see HP make these claims. Since plenty of people in theL past had made these very same claims (Digital, Tandem and even some consumerG PC company named Compaq) in the past, it just dilutes from the message.   N I think that HP would have gained far more credibility with a message such as:  J "With our Tandem NSK and VMS products, we run over 100 stock and commodityH exchanges, support 95% etc etc etc". This would make the claim much moreM credible and "factual". Right now, it remains just one of a gazillion claims.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:32:04 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>> Subject: Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign/ Message-ID: <3DD94E42.FE6A2D0D@vl.videotron.ca>    James Gessling wrote:  > J > Boy, that flash ad at the top of http://disney.go.com is really going to	 > impress  > the CTO/CIO community!  NOT!    J Funny, they mention that one needs Flash. But the message is generated not< because of flash, but because of javascipt being turned off.  > Boeing's site makes use of flash without requiring javascript.  G Just another example of microsoft weenies not understanding established  internet standards.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:22:51 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> > Subject: Re: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign' Message-ID: <3DD95A2B.17C84A04@aaa.com>   G After opening "http://www.hp.com", clicking on "Enterprise" to the left H and then on "Software" right in the middle of the screen, I got a screenH where it said under the heading "high availability / cluster technology" :     hp's cluster technology %  ProLiant high availability clusters   clusters for Alpha  clusters for Tru64 UNIX   OpenVMS high availability  NonStop ServerNet Cluster  hp-ux high availability   B So, from this, it seems that if someone is looking for a *cluster*= solution, they can just as well forget about VMS or  HP-UX...    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:26:54 GMT ( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>: Subject: HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign? Message-ID: <yU5C9.119220$dn3.5205256@twister.southeast.rr.com>   F HP Launches New Global Brand Advertising Campaign; Focuses on CustomerL Partnerships and the Role of HP Services, People, Technology in Business and Life  2 PALO ALTO, Calif., Nov 18, 2002 (BUSINESS WIRE) --  I HP (NYSE:HPQ) today launched a new global brand advertising campaign, the < first campaign for the company since its merger with Compaq.  H The campaign features a series of vignettes that showcase the remarkableL ways people and businesses use technology today and the role of HP services,J technology and people in making it possible. The first set of campaign adsB showcases the ways HP is helping DreamWorks animators create a newK generation of animation; helping NASA bring astronauts home safely; helping J FedEx absolutely, positively get packages delivered overnight; and helpingA birdwatchers in Finland to record the GPS location of rare birds.   I "Today, most people think of HP as a great printer and PC company. We are L certainly proud of our leadership in these areas, but when you consider thatL HP powers more than 100 stock and commodity exchanges; we support 95 percentH of the world's securities transactions; we help process two out of everyI three credit card transactions; and we are the world's leading technology I supplier to consumers and small and medium businesses, there's a lot that L people don't know about HP," said Allison Johnson, senior vice president, HP  Global Brand and Communications.  L The brand campaign introduces the theme line "everything is possible" and anA equation device -- (customer) + hp = everything is possible -- to & communicate HP's focus on partnership.  L "This is the most assertive, creative brand campaign HP has done," said GaryK Elliott, vice president, HP Brand and Marketing Communications. "We decided K the best way to become recognized as the world's leading technology company H was to simply tell it like it is. But rather than focus on what we make,J this campaign focuses on what we make possible on behalf of our customers, our clients and our partners."  H The campaign, which includes television, print, online and outdoor mediaF components, will launch in North America and pan-regional media acrossI Europe, Asia and Latin America. The first print ads ran today in the Wall H Street Journal and New York Times, followed by USA Today on Tuesday. TheJ first television ad ran this morning on CNBC's "Early Today Show" and willF run tonight during ABC's "Monday Night Football." The first outdoor adL appears in New York City's Times Square today, and HP will take over premierK placement on the Yahoo! site for the entire week. Magazine placements began 6 today in Time with more appearing the week of Nov. 25.  D San Francisco-based advertising agency Goodby Silverstein & PartnersG designed the campaign. Components of HP's integrated marketing campaign @ include: an innovative Comdex booth that blends HP customers andI technologies to create an interactive experience; Web site "landing pads" J for visitors to explore what customers are doing with HP; along with other integrated marketing programs.  F More information about HP's brand advertising campaign is available at) http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/hpads/.    HP.com Redesign   J In conjunction with the new brand campaign, HP unveiled its redesigned WebG site, http://www.hp.com, on Nov. 5. The site features a simpler graphic K layout, easier navigation and customer-specific sections that take users to L relevant HP products and services with fewer clicks. In addition, hp.com nowL delivers dynamic content via rolling "billboards" for each audience segment,G providing quick access to customized information, events and promotions  relevant to every type of user.   I The new hp.com design is based on global customer research and integrated C Web analytics to help users do what they want to do efficiently and F effectively. The site will migrate to other countries in 34 additionalI languages in 2003. HP.com serves more than 4 million unique visitors each C week and is the lead component of HP's consumer, small business and   enterprise e-commerce offerings.       --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.OpenVMS.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:41:11 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>2 Subject: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now./ Message-ID: <3DD9500C.6DD013A@blueyonder.co.uk>   F Why do all the decent looking VMS infrastructure jobs (what few there D are around now) also require Solaris skills? Does the tunnel that isD the VMS jobs market actually have an ending through which one day weD can dream of seeing some light through? Have all the system managersC been replaced by ISO17799 software and minimum wage helpdesk staff? E How can people live on the salary levels in London at present, is the  smog really that nutritious?    ( Is there a lack of cans or shit or what?  D Sorry, too much pressing Reload on JOBSERVE is sending me 1/2 crazy.C Even to the point where I'd take a unix or BG job if I could get an 1 agent to take my skills in these areas seriously.      --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:00:29 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.@ Message-ID: <20021118220029.43057.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   Tim   8 OpenVMS is just a legacy complement in the market ! ! ! 
 Just read:  L "Need System dministration professional, skills Solaris, HP-UX, TCPIP, Perl,J etc ... etc .... OpenVMS knowledge would be considerated but not required"  I There are hundreds of jobs like this... and the other problem. There aren I OpenVMS servers in Universities anymore. In Brazl the ones which had VAX  " and Alphas are migrating to Sun !      Regards    FC  9 --- Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:  > H > Why do all the decent looking VMS infrastructure jobs (what few there F > are around now) also require Solaris skills? Does the tunnel that isF > the VMS jobs market actually have an ending through which one day weF > can dream of seeing some light through? Have all the system managersE > been replaced by ISO17799 software and minimum wage helpdesk staff? G > How can people live on the salary levels in London at present, is the  > smog really that nutritious?   > * > Is there a lack of cans or shit or what? > F > Sorry, too much pressing Reload on JOBSERVE is sending me 1/2 crazy.E > Even to the point where I'd take a unix or BG job if I could get an 3 > agent to take my skills in these areas seriously.  >  >  > --  ! > tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   > J > * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:53:22 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.I Message-ID: <CIhC9.110305$oRV.68367@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   A "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message ) news:3DD9500C.6DD013A@blueyonder.co.uk...  > G > Why do all the decent looking VMS infrastructure jobs (what few there . > are around now) also require Solaris skills?  I Because of the lack of new VMS sales to new customers in the marketplace, I all the companies that currently have VMS are looking towards a migration D off VMS. With Solaris skills, you can more effectively assist in the migration off VMS. That's why.  J At this point in time, I think that human cannonballs and wingwalkers have= better career prospects than VMS system managers/programmers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:49:25 -0600 7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> 6 Subject: Re: Installing DCE raises multithread cautionG Message-ID: <craigberry-15F19D.18492517112002@news.directvinternet.com>   , In article <3DD81870.6000601@spammotel.com>,*  Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> wrote:  F > is there a way to "upgrade" my Hobbyist OS to use the POSIX Threads   > library without upgrading VMS?  H You've got pthreads, but you may want to check that you have the latest A ECO and any prerequisites for your system applied (URL may wrap):   I <http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2/vms72_pthread-v0200.h  tml>  D N.B. This is general advice and I have no specific knowledge of the 1 particular problem you are encountering with DCE.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:47:56 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 6 Subject: Re: Installing DCE raises multithread caution' Message-ID: <3DD854DC.4B67D05F@fsi.net>    "Craig A. Berry" wrote:  > . > In article <3DD81870.6000601@spammotel.com>,, >  Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> wrote: > G > > is there a way to "upgrade" my Hobbyist OS to use the POSIX Threads " > > library without upgrading VMS?  G VMS is VMS. There is no "hobbyist version", only the licensing changes. G If your current version supports POSIX threads, you should have all you E need. Otherwise, yes - you will need to upgrade to the version of VMS F that supports POSIX threads and continue to run it under your hobbyist license.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2002 17:06:34 -0800 From: nws@fmo.esf.edu.hk (N.ws)  Subject: job scheduling in VMS= Message-ID: <f72c17cd.0211171706.2d2fb8be@posting.google.com>   F would any one could give me an example of how to run a job (a command)7 at a spcify time once a day? for example, my commnad is 8 reply/all "The system will be out of service in 15 mins"F at 5:45pm every day, i want to run this job as a notice for all users.A what can i do in openvms? (i am very new in vms)thank you for you  reply.   regards    N.ws   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:55:24 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) $ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS+ Message-ID: <arbd2s$dm5$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   k In article <3DD9180D.418A3429@eps.zko.dec.com>, Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> writes:u >Phillip Helbig wrote: > * >> > OPER.  Valid uses that I know of are: >> > >> : >p >> >M >> > They should have used the same privilege as DECnet (LOG_IO as I recall).i >> >> PING also needs OPER. >hP >This is IMHO a classic example of OpenVMS trying to piss off the world by being& >as different as they can possibly be.P >Best I know every single other OS out there allows a random user to 'ping xyz'.J >On vms (using the vms suggested tcp package) you first have to know where4 >to find it (UCX$PING) and then you need privs. :-(.  K Firstly you can use TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS.COM to define the ping and other m commands so you just type ping.lJ Secondly the image is installed with OPER priv so you don't need any privsK yourself to run it. And on Unix systems the ping image is almost certainly  % suid root - it certainly is on Tru64.       
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    P >The argument is probably that just defining a 'ping' command this 'late' in theC >cycle could upset customer with an other ping command. ya right...a >o >Just a silly rant,  >Cheers, >Hein. >Y >V   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:05:42 GMT 2 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@bogus.address>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMSE Message-ID: <aSaC9.5959$PU4.1396@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>a  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KP0SQBMZ8YA23PDU@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...  > > > PING also needs OPER.s > >eJ > > This is IMHO a classic example of OpenVMS trying to piss off the world2 > > by being as different as they can possibly be. >-> > Not sure about the motivation, but that is often the result. >nG > > Best I know every single other OS out there allows a random user toi > > 'ping xyz'.e >g > Right. >0G > > On vms (using the vms suggested tcp package) you first have to knowo= > > where to find it (UCX$PING) and then you need privs. :-(.e >E > Right. >hL > > The argument is probably that just defining a 'ping' command this 'late'D > > in the cycle could upset customer with an other ping command. ya > > right... >aG > I don't know how valid is, but I read somewhere that the argument was B > that with /NUMBER_PACKETS and /PACKET_SIZE one could conceivablyF > overload a system, thus only those with OPER should have this power.   I would have to say that since:d  3 1) Systems have been DOS'ed by malformed pings, and,I 2) Very few people have bitched about the right required to ping on a VMSo system, that> 3) DEC made the right choice once again, in favor of security.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:43:37 GMTa4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS0 Message-ID: <3DD9428E.2116F5C3@blueyonder.co.uk>   Paul Repacholi wrote:n > 4 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > H > > SYSPRV essentially gets you access to any/all files. So it is a very > > powerful privilege.M > G > No, it get you possible access via the `system' priv field. Which may. > be SFA...s >   lO But sysuaf has to be system writeable surely and if you can write to the uaf...v   -- 1 tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk .  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 14:35:33 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS3 Message-ID: <xYy3fEniGSkG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <3DD9180D.418A3429@eps.zko.dec.com>, Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> writes:n > Q > This is IMHO a classic example of OpenVMS trying to piss off the world by being0' > as different as they can possibly be.e  H    No.  This is an example of VMS providing security where it should be.  A    The average user has no business loading down the network withnG    unecessary pings.  Only folks who are supposed to be troubleshooting./    network problems whould have access to ping.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:06:21 -0500,! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingn' Message-ID: <3DD93A2D.60FEDDF6@vcu.edu>   / "Sulu, Lock phasers, and fire what we have...."-   Shane Smith wrote: > E > America does have culture. Unfortunately it's becoming resistant to  > penicillin...h >  > [dons asbestos underwear]c >  > Shanei >  > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]7, > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 10:51 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm% > Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping  >  > Paul Sture wrote: ' > > American cheese has no culture? :-)  > 6 > What's the difference between The USA and yoghourt ? > 5 > Yoghurt has culture ... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)a   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 14:00:59 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)-# Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger Flippingr3 Message-ID: <VcRYcDWuQJBE@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  W In article <01C28CE0.B603CAE0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:hJ > There's a quote from the radio version of the Hitch Hiker's Guide to theF > Galaxy that springs to mind here, but it could be taken as seriouslyI > rude rather than funny. (HHGTTG afficionados:* Why do humans like dried  > leaves in boiling water?)f  ? I don't know, but when I asked the Nutrimatic it locked up all u@ the computing resources I had (except my VMS box which is immune? to the "Share and Enjoy" virus).  I eventually had to activate  ? the Infinite Improbablity Drive to escape which caused 239,000  : lightly fried eggs to appear on Pogril... but I digress...   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:28:57 GMTi9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>r# Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping)? Message-ID: <4d2e8c974b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>/  ( In message <agaC9$9Rt1pB@elias.decus.ch>4           p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:  Y > In article <01C28CE0.B603CAE0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:lL > > There's a quote from the radio version of the Hitch Hiker's Guide to theH > > Galaxy that springs to mind here, but it could be taken as seriouslyK > > rude rather than funny. (HHGTTG afficionados:* Why do humans like driedy > > leaves in boiling water?)t > >e >  > Because they like it?   ; Because they're ignorant monkeys who don't know any better.x   Alan   -- e
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:38:04 -0500>0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>5 Subject: Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread)e/ Message-ID: <3DD9A406.C8860E97@vl.videotron.ca>;   Lyndon Bartels wrote: = > >     if ((status = sys$parse(&dfab,0,0)) == RMS$_NORMAL) { @ > >         printf("\nFrom $PARSE %.*s\n", dnam.nam$b_esl, esa);  K Is "%.s" really supposed to consume the first argument and use it as lengtheJ and then consume the second argument and use it as a pointer to a string ? That is news to me.n  H If that statement screws up the stack, it may cause surprises elsewhere.    . > extra text included to fool the nntp server.   It didn't fool me.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:24:34 -0500-& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> Subject: Re: Patch installation<8 Message-ID: <tvpituggbtl0h1c69lo6mrpitdctiqa0g6@4ax.com>  P On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:41:32 -0000, "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:  I >I'm just after maximising uptime - potentially I could see a patch for adG >crash, and then several crashes for that reason or another, or a powerII >failure. At least if the patch is installed, the problems it fixes won't., >cause more than one crash (the reboot one).  P As others have already stated, it is safer to reboot when patch instructions sayI to do so. Our practice is to do multiple patch installs at the same time, P immediately prior to a scheduled reboot, rather than to install patches one at aP time as they become available -- unless we are having a specific problem and the fix is critical.  N Except for a critical problem being experienced, we always wait 4 weeks beforeK considering any patch to be production ready. If the patch is still valid 4iO weeks after release (hasn't been pulled or superceded) then we feel comfortable0 installing.0I -------------------------------------------------------------------------eI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comSI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)VI -------------------------------------------------------------------------)   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:03:18 -0700 (MST)m" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com># Subject: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1eG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211181557310.17812-100000@athena.csdco.com>   = It looks like VMS 7.3-1 breaks the unsupported and heretoforet) indestructible Pathworks Mac file server.e  A The file server loops doing BIOs when it tries to mount a volume.   " Does anyone know of a work-around?  H The NFS server does seem to work well with Mac OS X 10.2, however, there6 are still a lot of OS 9x Macs which need to be served.   Thanks,   
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:49:30 -0500t5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>r$ Subject: Re: Strange ACL discrepancy2 Message-ID: <bO=YPUiaS=jZTJT7VOTUxxrsb4kg@4ax.com>  D Probably because the ACL is for an object type of LOGICAL_NAME_TABLEF and not for an object type of FILE and the corresponding privilege for4 CREATE on a logical name table is EXECUTE on a file.   David R. Beattyt  + On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:08:59 -0000, "Colin"e% <findlayc@turpinltdTURNIP.com> wrote:d  
 >Hi there. >t% >Does anyone out there know why this:  > D >XPS_AMAZON> SHOW ACL/OBJECT_TYPE=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE "LNM_XPS_FILES"B >Object type: LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE,  Object name: LNM_XPS_FILES,  on >8-NOV-2002 14:12:56.34 4 >          (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+CREATE)9 >          (IDENTIFIER=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+CREATE)- >- >results from this:  >2, >$       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE -= >                /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$USER,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE) -g >                LNM_XPS_FILES, >$       SET ACL/OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE -B >                /ACL=(IDENT=TDSL$MGR,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE) - >                LNM_XPS_FILES >v >? >D0 >In other words, why does EXECUTE become CREATE? >e >t > 	 >Regards,  >Colin >o >h >d >c >  >  >y >m >t >sC >Does anyone out there know for sure whether these SET ACL commandsh >. >  >  >i >  >g   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 16:56:39 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)t= Subject: Re: syntax for PJL commands in a vms form setup filey< Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0211181656.16c0bde@posting.google.com>  l grunzer@telusplanet.net (grunzer) wrote in message news:<fd03fe23.0211171347.38a16f2b@posting.google.com>...C > Was wondering if anyone has had any experience setting up a fieryr: > print controller to allow the attached copier to staple. > D > I have the PJL commands but am unsure as to how to use them in the > form setup file. >  > I have tried the following:  > " > <esc i.e. 27>%12345X@PJL COMMENT* > @PJL COMMENT OUTPUTSTAPLE = ONEUPPERLEFT > etc@ > etc ) > <esc i.e. 27>%12345X@PJL LANGUAGE = PCLt > F > The copier will not staple in fact it appears to ignore the commands	 > period.e# > It looks like a matter of syntax.o > / > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  > 
 > OpenVMS 7.1o  6 Should there not be a "-" between the "%" and "12345X"$ <ESC>%-12345X@PJL ENTER LANGUAGE PCL Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:41:09 -0600n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>IA Subject: Re: VMS @ 25 --- Mark Gorham's Presentation at HPETS2002-' Message-ID: <3DD9B2D5.3408F109@fsi.net>    warren sander wrote: > 7 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/25th/index.htmlG >  > sorryi   The filespec ofo@ ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/os/openvms/OpenVMS%20-at-25-opening.mpgF contains an extraneous space - the link on the web page fails for that reason.    -- n David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:11:42 -0800n$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>/ Subject: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated 0 Message-ID: <01C28F04.1BB84EE0@sulfer.icius.com>  H http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~62604, 00.html>   (Apologies for the wrap)  B So MS are going to try and do a multi-platform OS again. (Ha ha haC bonk*) I wonder how long before they pick one and stick to it? IMHOi, it'll be hammer, if AMD survive long enough.  E If you step back, it's kind of funny. Intel are trying to break their = own architecture near-monopoly, while AMD are championing it.e   Shanen  & *=The sound of me laughing my ass off.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.639 ************************ sho devL > (or the equivalent command for the TCP/IP software you're running). Do you= > see a number of socket devices connected to port 80 or 443?   B I too have seen that problem on my CSWS 1.2 server.  I thought it A was someone trying to hack the system by DOSing the 443 port.  I  B didn't worry about a hack (this is VMS afterall) but I did wonder C what the problem was.  I talked with manager of the system with IP  B that had all theƪ    ƪ    ƪ    Èƪ    Ĉƪ    ňƪ    ƈƪ    ǈƪ    Ȉƪ    Ɉƪ    ʈƪ    ˈƪ    ̈ƪ    ͈ƪ    Έƪ    ψƪ    Јƪ    шƪ    ҈ƪ    ӈƪ    Ԉƪ    Ոƪ    ֈƪ    ׈ƪ    ؈ƪ    وƪ    ڈƪ    ۈƪ    ܈ƪ    ݈ƪ    ވƪ    ߈ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ     ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    ƪ    	ƪ    
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