1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 19 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 640       Contents:@ Re: Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support ph Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: backup/list save_sets  Re: backup/list save_sets % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates % RE: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates % RE: Capellas was offered job by Gates  Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi 8 Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2< Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2< Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2% Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure ! Re: Getting the user owner string - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. P Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on w Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: job scheduling in VMS  Managing C routine prototypes  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS , Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread) Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1 Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1P Police Forensic & Evidence Elimination programs                                 P Police Forensic & Evidence Elimination programs                                  RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!  VS3100 help, please. Re: VS3100 help, please. Re: VS3100 help, please. Re: VS3100 help, please. Re: VS3100 help, please. Re: VS3100 help, please.* Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated( [ANNOUNCE] OpenSSL 0.9.7 beta 4 released Re: [OT] HP has big cheeses   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:07:11 -0500  From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net>I Subject: Re: Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support ph / Message-ID: <utj0107hac3l05@news.supernews.com>    They don't exist any longer...  D Found that out the other day when Max our buyer called them to buy a replacement DS20e power button.   I Went through the whole menu, (which mentioned Alpha servers etc) and then  held for a REP.   J After about 15 minutes we got a human that asked us what kind of system we had and the serial num. / He told them Alphaserver Ds20e and gave the SN. 3 HE asked what OS we were using and he said OpenVMS.   G The response, wait for it..., was "WE DON'T SUPPORT OPENVIEW (some HPUX  stuff I guess). I SO I interjected - "He said OPENVMS - that's an Operating System that has ' been around for years before Microsoft. G He said "Oh, OK, but OpenView is supported through a different number "    Aghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!    DT  . "VAXVMS" <bounce@notmail.com> wrote in messageE news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B9D@rlghncst964.usps.gov...  > Good luck, Thomas. >  > You'll need it.  > , > The phone menus weren't too bad under DEC, > 9 > "for hardware support, press 1, for software, press 2".  > > > They got worse when DEC and Compaq merged, and now, with all6 > the HP stuff added in they're virtually unnavigable. > @ > Trying to find such things now gets routed first through sales4 > and then to some place called the "welcome center" >  > It's anything but. > * > (or vice versa- I forget the order now.) > D > I've been a customer since the d|i|g|i|t|a|l days, and these folks > had never heard of me. > F > To make a point, I called them again, and got my Gold Support TAM to' > wade through the phone menus with me.  > D > It took *twenty minutes* for us to get where we were trying to go. >  > WWWebb > ' > Since Outlook stinks wrt attribution:  >  >  Thomas Wirt wrote: H >  I can not find the old DEC pre-sales tech support phone #.  I used itD >  in the last year or 2, but I can not find it on the Web.  The WebI >  posted phone numbers are not helping me.  Please post (and email me if  >  you can) the #. > 	 >  Thanks  >  >  Thomas Wirt >  > ========================" > William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS > OpenVMS Support Services( > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800< > 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:20:42 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail / Message-ID: <3DD94B99.B147CC72@vl.videotron.ca>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: D > So we're not talking directly to the user.  I assume that we'll beE > handed a completed message body and will have to parse out embedded C > commands.  So our job is to come up with a syntax that is easy to ' > use and hard to generate by accident.  >  > Is that right, JF?  
 Exacto mundo.   J I'd like the foreign mail software to parse the contents and if necessary,M convert it to MIME format on the fly, and then submit the message to the SMTP J system via the SFF facility. The trick is to find an acceptable means in aL text message to say "include file XXX" so that the software will remove that, line and include the file as an attachement.  I Of course, if the VMS engineers dedice to drop the port to IA64 and start H working on bringing VMSmail up to snuff, that would be more than welcome, (especially since ALL-In-1 has been killed).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:09:16 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail + Message-ID: <00A1737F.3C96379B.13@decus.de>   . "David Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:   [...]   D > What you want is the same improved interface as PMDF MAIL provides :- >  > [...]   F I vaguely remember having heard of PMDF but I do not know any details.  J Is it a commercial product or freeware? URL? "hobbyist" license available?   Michael    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) ' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail + Message-ID: <are0jn$a4k$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   R In article <00A1737F.3C96379B.13@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:/ >"David Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:  >  >[...] > E >> What you want is the same improved interface as PMDF MAIL provides  >:-  >> >> [...] > G >I vaguely remember having heard of PMDF but I do not know any details.  > K >Is it a commercial product or freeware? URL? "hobbyist" license available?  >  >Michael  A Commercial product now marketed and supported by Process Software 8 (http://www.process.com and http://www.pmdf.process.com)  L Unfortunately I believe license agreements with it's owner SUN (who acquiredI the original developers Innosoft in March 2000) mean that process cannot   offer a hobbyist license.   H The PMDF MAIL interface is a VMS specific mail client bundled with PMDF.K The interface is a near perfect clone of VMS MAIL with the addition of full > MIME support and of course supporting the same VMS mail store.   For further details see X http://www.pmdf.process.com/ftp/documentation/html/user_vms/book_6.html#chapter_pmdfmail    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:27:30 +0100 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> " Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets6 Message-ID: <3dda6672$0$46616$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>  > Just do a MOUNT/OVER=ID in stead of a MOUNT/FOR with the tape.    Then you can do DIR tape_dev:*.*  C You can add /DATE and /SIZE, although the latter gives the size in  1 blocks on tape, not the familiar 512 byte blocks.   D Be aware that if your current directory is SYS$MANAGER, or an other F default which is actually a search list, the directory listing of the 0 tape is repeated for every element in this list.   HTH,  	 Bart Zorn      emanuel stiebler wrote:  > Hi, B > I have tapes with more than one save_set on them. How can I list# > the names of the save_sets only ? E > BACKUP/LIST gives me all the filenames also, which take a while ...  > F > And, how to copy one save_set to another tape, without changing any  > information of the save_set ?  >  > thanks >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:34:02 -0700 ( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>" Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets* Message-ID: <3DDA67FA.9090806@ecubics.com>   UPS, sorry my fault.# Never write mails before coffee ;-)   F This are volume sets, (complete volume backups) so DIR doesn't work :( (made with backup/image ...)   cheers   Jim Agnew wrote:# > easy... if the tape is ansi, then  >  > mount/over=id tape:  >  > dir tape:*.* > 3 > will get you the save set names, but not sizes...  > $ > dir/size:all/date:created tape:*.* > I > will get you sizes and creation dates, but take a while...  anyhow, you I > are still reading the tape, so it will take a bit anyhow, but the first G > may run a bit faster, as you are skipping from tape mark to tape mark G > instead of reading all the data inbetween.  now, if someone knows i'm B > wrong, please feel free to speak up, and speak loud, i'm hard of > hearing.. ;-P  >  > Jim  > emanuel stiebler wrote:  >  >>Hi, B >>I have tapes with more than one save_set on them. How can I list# >>the names of the save_sets only ? E >>BACKUP/LIST gives me all the filenames also, which take a while ...  >>E >>And, how to copy one save_set to another tape, without changing any  >>information of the save_set ?  >> >>thanks >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 00:49:03 -0800% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates) Message-ID: <arcttv02qqu@drn.newsguy.com>   L In article <aravv7$3ph$2@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org says... > = >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes in article K ><3DD6E5E0.C15FE064@vl.videotron.ca> dated Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:42:25 -0500:  >>Alan Greig wrote: G >>> According to the New York Times, Microsoft offered to make Capellas 3 >>> No.3, adopting the title of President and COO."  > H >Was the job offer payback for killing Alpha?  AlphaNT died before Alpha  >though.  Did Curly do that too?   It was one of his first acts.     B >>> Hey maybe he'll just strip down WorldCom first then merge with >>> Microsoft. >>M >>No, I think I found out what the strategy is. Capellas will "visit" as CEO, M >>all major remaining VMS customers, force the dumping of VMS and replacement P >>with Windows crap, then leave as the company crumbles and go onto the next VMS; >>customer. Once VMS is dead, he gets his job at Microsoft.  >  >Or Sun! > , >--Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org? >The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:21:35 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates2 Message-ID: <tsadnVhQA4STGUSgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  9 "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote in message ( news:aravv7$3ph$2@newslocal.mitre.org...> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes in articleJ <3DD6E5E0.C15FE064@vl.videotron.ca> dated Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:42:25 -0500: > >Alan Greig wrote:H > >> According to the New York Times, Microsoft offered to make Capellas4 > >> No.3, adopting the title of President and COO." > I > Was the job offer payback for killing Alpha?  AlphaNT died before Alpha ! > though.  Did Curly do that too?   B Yes indeedy-doo.  It was one of his first acts after his temporaryI annointment became permanent (since one else would take the job) - though L there's little indication that it was initiated by Microsoft (which actuallyH got some mileage out of Alpha, both in the ability to present Windows asF multi-platform and in the prospect of extending its offerings into the) 64-bit enterprise space on the platform).   I Of course, that act sparked off significant concern about Alpha's future, H but Senior VPs Bill Heil and Jesse Lipcon managed to quell it with theirH public, unequivocal, earnest assurances that companies really should betI their futures on the Alpha platform because Compaq was firmly betting its J own future on Alpha - complete with product details right through EV8, andH ironically (or worse) at just about the same time Curly and Robison were  starting to plan how to kill it.   > C > >> Hey maybe he'll just strip down WorldCom first then merge with  > >> Microsoft.  > > I > >No, I think I found out what the strategy is. Capellas will "visit" as  CEO,B > >all major remaining VMS customers, force the dumping of VMS and replacement H > >with Windows crap, then leave as the company crumbles and go onto the next VMS< > >customer. Once VMS is dead, he gets his job at Microsoft. > 	 > Or Sun!   E The idea that VMS has at any time in the last half-dozen years been a E significant threat to Windows is, unfortunately, laughable:  once the L infamous Affinity program got into full swing, it was clear that VMS's ownerK had no interest whatsoever in anything more than high-margin niche business L for VMS, and Capellas arrived on the scene far too late to have changed thatL perception by anything less than a full-court press (which he clearly had no- more interest in initiating than GQ Bob had).   J The only hope of any reversal was the possibility that VMS customers wouldK put a financial gun to cHumPaq's head (the threat of massive revenue/profit F loss possibly being sufficient to either sway Curly or cause him to beI replaced), but the merger pretty much derailed that - and now VMS revenue K may have dropped sufficiently that HP won't be bothered all that much about  losing what remains.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:37:27 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> . Subject: RE: Capellas was offered job by GatesT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B77@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,   + Re: Alpha NT ..not to dig up old news but -   G >>> though there's little indication that it was initiated by Microsoft E (which actually got some mileage out of Alpha, both in the ability to F present Windows as multi-platform and in the prospect of extending its@ offerings into the 64-bit enterprise space on the platform). <<<  @ Since it was not costing Microsoft anything for these additional7 capabilities, imho, why would Microsoft initiate it?=20   B However, for those that were paying ALL the bill's (including manyG ISV's) and waiting for 64bit NT to establish a credible difference (you F can only do so much with 32bit apps running on a 64bit platform), they might have a different view.  H Don't forget IBM and MIPS also dumped NT on their RISC platforms as wellF for the same reasons. They were paying all the costs as well. They did# not like the business model either.   < Oh yes, and keep in mind official V1.0 64bit NT is still not
 available....   D I'm not saying better things could not have been done with Alpha NT,E however, lets not try and position Microsoft as having no part in the  Alpha NT decision.=20    They certainly did.    Regards.  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)      -----Original Message-----2 From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 Sent: November 18, 2002 7:22 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates      9 "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote in message ( news:aravv7$3ph$2@newslocal.mitre.org...> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes in articleC <3DD6E5E0.C15FE064@vl.videotron.ca> dated Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:42:25  -0500: > >Alan Greig wrote:H > >> According to the New York Times, Microsoft offered to make Capellas  4 > >> No.3, adopting the title of President and COO." > F > Was the job offer payback for killing Alpha?  AlphaNT died before=20' > Alpha though.  Did Curly do that too?   B Yes indeedy-doo.  It was one of his first acts after his temporaryB annointment became permanent (since one else would take the job) -C though there's little indication that it was initiated by Microsoft E (which actually got some mileage out of Alpha, both in the ability to F present Windows as multi-platform and in the prospect of extending its< offerings into the 64-bit enterprise space on the platform).  A Of course, that act sparked off significant concern about Alpha's E future, but Senior VPs Bill Heil and Jesse Lipcon managed to quell it H with their public, unequivocal, earnest assurances that companies reallyH should bet their futures on the Alpha platform because Compaq was firmlyE betting its own future on Alpha - complete with product details right H through EV8, and ironically (or worse) at just about the same time Curly1 and Robison were starting to plan how to kill it.    > F > >> Hey maybe he'll just strip down WorldCom first then merge with=20 > >> Microsoft.  > > I > >No, I think I found out what the strategy is. Capellas will "visit"=20  > >as  CEO,B > >all major remaining VMS customers, force the dumping of VMS and replacement H > >with Windows crap, then leave as the company crumbles and go onto the next VMS< > >customer. Once VMS is dead, he gets his job at Microsoft. > 	 > Or Sun!   E The idea that VMS has at any time in the last half-dozen years been a E significant threat to Windows is, unfortunately, laughable:  once the F infamous Affinity program got into full swing, it was clear that VMS'sH owner had no interest whatsoever in anything more than high-margin nicheH business for VMS, and Capellas arrived on the scene far too late to haveG changed that perception by anything less than a full-court press (which ? he clearly had no more interest in initiating than GQ Bob had).   D The only hope of any reversal was the possibility that VMS customersB would put a financial gun to cHumPaq's head (the threat of massiveE revenue/profit loss possibly being sufficient to either sway Curly or E cause him to be replaced), but the merger pretty much derailed that - B and now VMS revenue may have dropped sufficiently that HP won't be1 bothered all that much about losing what remains.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:25:19 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by GatesJ Message-ID: <jRrC9.105742$YSz1.75578@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B77@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. > , >Re: Alpha NT ..not to dig up old news but - >  > = >Oh yes, and keep in mind official V1.0 64bit NT is still not  >available....  H Was there not an alpha version of 64-bit NT for Alpha processor floating around a couple years ago?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:20:27 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>. Subject: RE: Capellas was offered job by Gates0 Message-ID: <01C28FB5.6ABE3CA0@sulfer.icius.com>  F It wasn't an official release, IIRC, it was either a preview or leaked code.    -----Original Message-----( From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]( Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:25 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates      2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B77@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .  > , >Re: Alpha NT ..not to dig up old news but - >  > = >Oh yes, and keep in mind official V1.0 64bit NT is still not  >available....  H Was there not an alpha version of 64-bit NT for Alpha processor floating around a couple years ago?   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:02:18 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) & Subject: Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi* Message-ID: <arbkgq$mh7$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  % :Personal Workstation 433a (hobbyist)   A   The Personal Workstation -a series is not supported by OpenVMS. B   (There are low-level I/O hardware differences in various membersB   of this platform; between various of the -a and the -au series.)   :1GB RAM :OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1    :   OpenVMS V7.3-1 has versions of CDRECORD and LD built in.   5 :Digital Qlogic 1020-based SCSI controller (wide, but + :running 2 narrow drives on same bus as CD)  : = :I figured that the first thing to do would be to drop it in  : :in place of my regular CD drive check and check to see if! :it would read an ODS-2 CD-ROM---  : < :and got a %MOUNT message ending with "invalid media format"  6 :CDRECORD -SCANBUS errors with a "wrong bus#" message.  -   What is the -dev specification used here?     .   IIRC, it should be something like -dev 0,3,0  ; :so I thought I'd try booting from a VMS binaries CD to see 4 :if the console would give me better error details-- : ( :failed to send Read to DKA300.3.0.200.0 :failed to read DKA300.0.200.0  C   This looks like you have a SCSI bus (termination problem, length, &   SCSI unit collision, etc) problem.    '   Or your Plextor drive is not working.   >   If your console cannot get at the drive, then OpenVMS is not   involved here.  ( :Anybody used one of these successfully?  B   I've regularly used a Plextor PlexWriter 12x10x32S series on theB   UltraSCSI of an AlphaStation XP1000 series, and it works nicely.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:21:51 GMT / From: Richard Heggs <richardSPAMh@mailSPAM.com> A Subject: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2 = Message-ID: <PRcC9.133716$Yb1.135297@sea-read.news.verio.net>    Hi,   G I'm fairly new to VMS (relearning stuff I last used years ago :)... so  3 please excuse me if I'm asking an obvious question.   M I have a VAXstation 3100 model 38, and I have installed OpenVMS 7.2 from the  4 Hobbyist CD. The CD drive I'm using is from Toshiba.  ? However, when I boot into OpenVMS and try to mount the CD with:  MOUNT DKA400: /OVER=ID I get the following error:# %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline.    And yet when I do a: SHOW DEV DKA400: /FULL> The status report assures me that the device is indeed online.  G I've got the following licenses installed (by hand - when I get TCP/IP  B installed, I can get the PAK across and install the rest of them): VAX-VMS  OPENVMS-HOBBYIST DVNETEND  * Does anyone have idea what the problem is?   Thanks in advance, Richard    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:16:02 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>E Subject: Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2 / Message-ID: <3DD96699.C5A87049@vl.videotron.ca>    Richard Heggs wrote:A > However, when I boot into OpenVMS and try to mount the CD with:  > MOUNT DKA400: /OVER=ID > I get the following error:% > %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline.   5 Have you tried adding /NOWRITE to the mount command ?   M Does the CD do anything (spin, lights flashing etc) when you attempt to mount  it ?  I If everything were fine, the message you'd be getting was indicative that ! there was no CD inside the drive.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:54:41 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)E Subject: Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2 . Message-ID: <ardms1$71o$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Richard Heggs <richardSPAMh@mailSPAM.com> writes in article <PRcC9.133716$Yb1.135297@sea-read.news.verio.net> dated Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:21:51 GMT:H >I'm fairly new to VMS (relearning stuff I last used years ago :)... so 4 >please excuse me if I'm asking an obvious question. > N >I have a VAXstation 3100 model 38, and I have installed OpenVMS 7.2 from the 5 >Hobbyist CD. The CD drive I'm using is from Toshiba.   L So the CD and the CD drive are both good, or at least they were when you did the install.  @ >However, when I boot into OpenVMS and try to mount the CD with: >MOUNT DKA400: /OVER=ID  >I get the following error: $ >%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline. >  >And yet when I do a:  >SHOW DEV DKA400: /FULL ? >The status report assures me that the device is indeed online.    device = CD drive  medium = CD   F They really should describe medium status as "loaded" and "not loaded"9 rather than "online" and "offline".  It can be confusing.   J Try cleaning the business side of the CD with soft cotton (i.e. wipe it onK your t-shirt).  If that doesn't work, you could take case off the drive and  clean the lens.   I As a sanity check, you might want to boot from the CD again, just to make # sure nothing broke since last time.   H >I've got the following licenses installed (by hand - when I get TCP/IP   J You don't need any licenses to mount a disk.  Actually, a good way to loadI your hobbyist licenses is to burn them onto a CD and then stick the CD in J your VMS box.  That's probably what I did.  Much less work than commercial@ licenses, where you have to type them in from a PAK certificate.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:10:54 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> . Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure; Message-ID: <01KP1OBHGYNM9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>    > > $ TYPE RS1.COM > > TYPE P1 4 > > ------run the procedure with 1 parameter ------- > > $ @RS1 "RS-BACKUP.COM" > O > 1- all lines that contain commands in a commadn procedure should begin with a  > "$" sign.   C Right.  Also, in this case, no need to put the parameter in quotes.   C > 2- In the above case, you need to tell DCL that "P1" is a symbol.    Right.   > So you should have:  >  > $TYPE 'P1   I I prefer 'P1'.  Leaving out the trailing apostrophe works in some cases,  % but it is better style to include it.    F > You can get more help by typing "HELP" at the $ sign, and looking at: > any topic that has text in lowercase (start with Hints).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:20:38 +1100 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> . Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure, Message-ID: <3DDA0266.1080100@tg.nsw.gov.au>  3 What you need is $type 'p1'.  Note the apostrophes.   I There are certain places that VMS anticipates a symbol substitution, and  @ others where you need to "tell" it by the enclosing apostrophes.  B Just a few simple things to remember are that VMS accepts/expects  undelimited symbols as:   / 1).  the first command on a DCL/.COM file line.   D 2).  in a write statement.  Literals have to be enclosed by " and ".   3).  within lexicals.   G These are not definitive rules and there are many others.  These rules  D might get you going as a starter.  I think that if you are in doubt = enclosing with apostrophes should get you through most cases.   G One final point is if you use a symbol within a literal, the syntax is   something like:    $ name := paddy - $write sys$ouput "Hello ''name', how are you"   + i.e., two apostrophes before and one after.   B In this instance, a symbol is a parameter P1 to P8 to a .COM file.   Regards, Paddy      
 K Kong wrote:  > Hi, i am new to vms 5 > how to get the value of parameter in DCL procedure? G > according to some online samples, it can get pamarmeters inside a DCL  > procedure. so i try this: * > --------my simple procedure (rs1.com)--- > $ TYPE RS1.COM	 > TYPE P1 2 > ------run the procedure with 1 parameter ------- > $ @RS1 "RS-BACKUP.COM"D > %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]P1.LIS; > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found > ---------------------  > F > there is a file "rs-backup.com" there but it seems that P1 cannot be$ > reconized as "rs-backup.com". why? >  > thank you for your reply > 	 > K. Kong  >  >       G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:31:36 +1100 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> . Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure, Message-ID: <3DDA04F8.9040104@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Phillip Helbig wrote:  [snips]  >>So you should have:  >> >>$TYPE 'P1  >  > K > I prefer 'P1'.  Leaving out the trailing apostrophe works in some cases,  ' > but it is better style to include it.  >     3 I **definitely** agree with Phillip's comment here.   ? This is laxity, all other languages that I can think of expect  E "balance".  Not a good one from our VMS engineering friends.  (But I  F suppose "balance" could be ''symbol' within a literal). Similar to in I some conditions not requiring $ at the beginning of each line in command   files.   Regards, Paddy          G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:40:14 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>. Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure, Message-ID: <3DD9DCCE.3040301@tsoft-inc.com>  I Also, set up a user account, and quit logging into SYSTEM for non-system  % management activity.  Very bad habit!    Dave    
 K Kong wrote:    > Hi, i am new to vms 5 > how to get the value of parameter in DCL procedure? G > according to some online samples, it can get pamarmeters inside a DCL  > procedure. so i try this: * > --------my simple procedure (rs1.com)--- > $ TYPE RS1.COM	 > TYPE P1 2 > ------run the procedure with 1 parameter ------- > $ @RS1 "RS-BACKUP.COM"D > %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]P1.LIS; > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found > ---------------------  > F > there is a file "rs-backup.com" there but it seems that P1 cannot be$ > reconized as "rs-backup.com". why? >  > thank you for your reply > 	 > K. Kong  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:38:05 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>. Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure, Message-ID: <3DD9DC4D.6030201@tsoft-inc.com>  C First, commands in DCL should begin with '$ ' <dollar sign><space>.   N When you issue the command $ TYPE P1, you are trying to type the file P1.LIS, K (the default filename extension for TYPE is LIS).  If you want to TYPE the  P contents of the filename contained in the SYMBOL P1, then you must tell the DCL R interperter that P1 is a SYMBOL that you want to use the value of.  (Bad grammer.)   So, what you want is:d  
 $ TYPE 'P1   or   $ TYPE "''P1'"  P Sorry for the long answer, but if you're going to use DCL and SYMBOLS, you will K need to know when a SYMBOL is automatically evaluated, and how to force an n evaluation when required.0  6 Note how to evaluate a SYMBOL within a string literal.   Dave    
 K Kong wrote:    > Hi, i am new to vmsr5 > how to get the value of parameter in DCL procedure?eG > according to some online samples, it can get pamarmeters inside a DCL  > procedure. so i try this:r* > --------my simple procedure (rs1.com)--- > $ TYPE RS1.COM	 > TYPE P1 2 > ------run the procedure with 1 parameter ------- > $ @RS1 "RS-BACKUP.COM"D > %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]P1.LIS; > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found > ---------------------e > F > there is a file "rs-backup.com" there but it seems that P1 cannot be$ > reconized as "rs-backup.com". why? >  > thank you for your reply > 	 > K. Kong  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:36:32 GMT + From: jcring@switch.com (John C. Ring, Jr.)r* Subject: Re: Getting the user owner string, Message-ID: <arbl36$ons$1@usenet.switch.com>  Y In article <arbkkb$ojj$1@usenet.switch.com>, jcring@switch.com (John C. Ring, Jr.) wrote:iO >In article <Q7TA9.6123$h37.2453@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Stephen  >eL >Here's a snippet of a DCL procedure I had lying about which (unsupported!) 0 >directly reads the information from the sysuaf.  L I forgot to mention that it requires you have read acccess to the sysuaf as O well; sorry about that.  You didn't say if you had privledges on the system(s) 0D you wanted to run this on.  I also have a FORTRAN copy to grab this K information via the $getuai service, which only requires FORTRAN for VMS :)0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:47:19 -0500l( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now., Message-ID: <3DD9C257.9000403@tsoft-inc.com>  ( Might be converting from Solaris to VMS.  L I don't do wing walking or jumping out of airplanes that can still fly, and + such.  I'll stick with the VMS programming.t   Dave     John Smith wrote:   C > "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in messagea+ > news:3DD9500C.6DD013A@blueyonder.co.uk...v > G >>Why do all the decent looking VMS infrastructure jobs (what few thereS. >>are around now) also require Solaris skills? >> > K > Because of the lack of new VMS sales to new customers in the marketplace, K > all the companies that currently have VMS are looking towards a migrationtF > off VMS. With Solaris skills, you can more effectively assist in the  > migration off VMS. That's why. > L > At this point in time, I think that human cannonballs and wingwalkers have? > better career prospects than VMS system managers/programmers.  >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 03:47:18 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on wf- Message-ID: <87wunawth5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ( Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> writes:   > Vilmos Soti wrote:  C > > Does HP offer hobbyist license for other HP products other thanu > > VMS?    > Not that I am aware of.d  n> > > I looked around their homepage, but I didn't find anythingB > > relevant.  It seems this is an active newsgroup and people areD > > aware of the hobbyist program.  I have a 712/80 parisc box lyingF > > around with HP-UX 9 on it and would like to get a newer version so" > > I can get familiar with HP-UX.   C > You can run HP-UX 10 on it. I have successfully run HP-UX 11 on a ; > similar vintage machine (735/125) but it's not supported.#  @ What Greg has not mentioned, is that HP's licence terms alow theF licence to go with the machine, as long as you inform HP of the changeB of ownership. Lots of things about PH unix suck, but licence terms is not one of them.=  F The only place for a `hobbyist' licence would be with a new box, and I< *think* that all the 9000 workstations have a 2 user licenceF included. Network logins don't count to the user limit, as hp felt you& had `bought a seat' somewhere already.   -- 0< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda..@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:58:50 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems 2 Message-ID: <9WGdncF2nI407USgXTWcqw@metrocast.net>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:dN8C9.25$l44.1079471@news.cpqcorp.net...k > F > Bill Todd wrote in message <_MudnRz5LuDG7E6gXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>... > >h > >eE > >Are you feeling unusually stupid today, Rob?  Aside from noting in. passinguK > >Paul's comment about another EV7 delay (because I was a bit surprised no J > >mention of it had yet surfaced here - Paul is a fairly reliable source, asL > >you seem to agree), my response to Fred's comment about Hammer's vaporousJ > >quality was that it was about as vaporous as (a sarcastic way of saying noK > >more vaporous than) EV7.  That's not FUD, that's recognition that EV7 is  > >real (and so is Hammer).m > >. > I > Where can I order a 16p enterprise class "Hammer" system?  I missed theM > announcement.   K While you do seem to miss rather a lot these days, the fact that Hammer andeJ Alpha do not cover precisely the same range of solutions (Hammer extendingK far lower, and Alpha - especially when EV7 becomes available, extending far0I higher) really has nothing to do with their relative vaporousness or lackj thereof.  L Of course, Alpha will never extend downward now, and the limit of its upwardH extension is also well-defined.  Hammer, by contrast, is scheduled to beG shrunk to 90 nm. in a bit over a year's time, and that will give it the>J opportunity to place dual cores on each chip (already hinted at for 90 nm.H but not committed officially), resulting in 16-processor systems with no other changes.  H Not to mention the additional efforts already in progress in cooperationC with partners to extend Hammer beyond its initial 8-package no-glue 4 configurations that may reach fruition even earlier.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:55:07 -0500r( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemsc, Message-ID: <3DD96FCB.3070105@tsoft-inc.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  F > Bill Todd wrote in message <_MudnRz5LuDG7E6gXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>... >  >>L >>Are you feeling unusually stupid today, Rob?  Aside from noting in passingJ >>Paul's comment about another EV7 delay (because I was a bit surprised noL >>mention of it had yet surfaced here - Paul is a fairly reliable source, asK >>you seem to agree), my response to Fred's comment about Hammer's vaporous-L >>quality was that it was about as vaporous as (a sarcastic way of saying noJ >>more vaporous than) EV7.  That's not FUD, that's recognition that EV7 is >>real (and so is Hammer). >> >> > I > Where can I order a 16p enterprise class "Hammer" system?  I missed they > announcement.e    O That's about as bad as expecting any other two products in development to both cQ be available at the same time.  Hammer appears to be a bit further out than EV7. eP   No big issue, unless you wish to make it appear to be an issue.  That's about O as bogus as saying a year ago "Where can I order an EV7 system", while talking ,/ about the availability of Athlon based systems.i  . Both are coming, and both will be appriciated.   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:38:24 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemssI Message-ID: <AuhC9.110269$oRV.82542@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- news:zU8C9.26$w34.1038486@news.cpqcorp.net...t >l > >m >cI > Remember that there is more than just a new CPU chip.  It's an entirely0 newbC > system platform from the ground up.  As in *any* new major system 	 platform,eH > things always appear to stretch out at the end while the last few nits (andI > not just HW, but SW) are cleaned up as real customer workloads start tot hit K > them in field test.  The Marvel platform is unreal in how fast it is, andeL > how well it scales - even the 800Mhz proto's were unbelievable.  As far as IgI > can detect, there is no feet dragging to get it officially shipped, butt careI > is being taken to make sure that it is 100% rock solid when it hits thei	 > street.s    L So Fred, how much advertising and marketing of Marvel do you think will take> place at Sun and IBM and existing HP Superdome customer sites?  
 Just curious.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:08:40 +0100w/ From: "Jean-Yves Meuric" <jy.meuric@wanadoo.fr> " Subject: Re: job scheduling in VMS3 Message-ID: <arbocl$doh$1@news-reader11.wanadoo.fr>   ) So once again, I reinvented the wheel !!!   
 Jean-Yves.  G "Jesse Chambless" <JNCHAMBL@TEXASCHILDRENSHOSPITAL.ORG> a crit dans le>C message de news: 764ccbac.0211181016.101d4043@posting.google.com...- > Jean-Yves, >aG > Auto-Sched.  From a very old DECUS Sig tape.  Works great!  We use itu here.R >C< > "Jean-Yves Meuric" <jy.meuric@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message/ news:<araigt$7i4$1@news-reader10.wanadoo.fr>...cD > > Many years ago, I used a "crontab"-like system to launch jobs at/ > > given times of given days, given months ...6 > > Was very useful and simple.t; > > I can retrieve the source code if anyone is interested.> > >o > > Jean-Yves. > > L > > "Paddy O'Brien" <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> a crit dans le message de+ > > news: 3DD8AA7D.6070809@tg.nsw.gov.au...y > > >r > > >g > > > Howard S Shubs wrote:AE > > > > In article <f72c17cd.0211171706.2d2fb8be@posting.google.com>, ) > > > >  nws@fmo.esf.edu.hk (N.ws) wrote:o > > > >r > > > >eE > > > >>would any one could give me an example of how to run a job (ag command)? > > > >>at a spcify time once a day? for example, my commnad isf@ > > > >>reply/all "The system will be out of service in 15 mins"G > > > >>at 5:45pm every day, i want to run this job as a notice for alle users.I > > > >>what can i do in openvms? (i am very new in vms)thank you for you  > > > >>reply. > > > >  > > > >eK > > > > Create a command script (.com) with whatever commands you want, and-2 > > > > submit it (and have it submit itself) with > > > >B% > > > > SUBMIT/AFTER="TOMORROW+17:45"j > > > >C9 > > > And the command file name, and where is the logfileG (default=sys$login)? > > >   And any parameters?@ > > >i > > > Regards, Paddy > > >e > > >v > > >@ > > >a > > >.G ***********************************************************************3 > > >.I > > > "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedrC > > > and confidential information intended only for the use of theoG > > > addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of I > > > this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise G > > > the sender.  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But I find the/ quality of the .CH files to be lacking somewhatt  8 ( eg: it generates   int bake_cake( int, short, char *);Q 	instead of      int bake_cake( int duration, short temperature, char * flavour);   @ How do people manage all those declarations for an application ?  I 1- one .h file that is manually maintained which contains all 100 routinea definitions for the app.  N 2- 20 .h files,  one for each .c file, which contains definitions for routines in that module ?  B 3- include in each module the definitions needed for that module.   ' are there other ways of handling this ?t  K It would be really nice it it could be automated in some way. (eg: when youiN compile a module, some library containing the prototypes is updated,  and whenH you compile a module, it loads that library to have all prototypes handy whenever needed.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:02:03 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS0 Message-ID: <3DD946E0.755C6543@blueyonder.co.uk>   Hein van den Heuvel wrote: >  > Phillip Helbig wrote:s > + > > > OPER.  Valid uses that I know of are:@ > > >1 > > :a >  > > >eN > > > They should have used the same privilege as DECnet (LOG_IO as I recall). > >t > > PING also needs OPER.i > Q > This is IMHO a classic example of OpenVMS trying to piss off the world by beingi' > as different as they can possibly be. Q > Best I know every single other OS out there allows a random user to 'ping xyz'. K > On vms (using the vms suggested tcp package) you first have to know whered5 > to find it (UCX$PING) and then you need privs. :-(.a  N Well, I can understand why you might require netmbx, and tighter control COULDM have been implemeted a la DECNET Phase V with identifiers. One might not wantnL to give all functionality implied by OPER priv to a user who wanted to ping.    Q > The argument is probably that just defining a 'ping' command this 'late' in the D > cycle could upset customer with an other ping command. ya right... >    > So, whats wrong with $ TCPIP PINg? I don't buy this arguement. -- c tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk v  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:16:10 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>y$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS. Message-ID: <utim4qd66s34d@corp.supernews.com>   :> PING also needs OPER.  	 Not true.    $ sh proc/priv  G 18-NOV-2002 16:14:44.72   User: ZARLENGA         Process ID:   00002E8BO ...n Authorized privileges:  NETMBX       TMPMBX  - Process privileges: /  NETMBX               may create network devicer2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox  : Process rights: +  ZARLENGA                          resource<#  INTERACTIVE                       g#  LOCAL                             . .... $ ucx ping 155.212.1.9- PING 155.212.1.9 (155.212.1.9): 56 data bytesE7 64 bytes from 155.212.1.9: icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=35 ms27 64 bytes from 155.212.1.9: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=52 ms 7 64 bytes from 155.212.1.9: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=34 ms>7 64 bytes from 155.212.1.9: icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=35 msa# ----155.212.1.9 PING Statistics----l9 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss * round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 34/39/52 ms $    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Nov 2002 16:03:51 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0211181603.53773745@posting.google.com>l  g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3DD5EE13.9341DF46@vl.videotron.ca>...iZ > SYSPRV essentially gets you access to any/all files. So it is a very powerful privilege. > P > However, it is used for many other purposes. For instance, the MAIL$ routines,O > you need SYSPRV to change the "FROM" line of a message you are sending. And InS > believe that TCPIP services , you need SYSPRV to create a socket on a known port.  > N > Shouldn't the VMS folks have kept SYSPRV solely for file accces, and made itM > such that another privilege would be required for non-file accesses such ass > the two examples above ? > P > I would feel much mroe comfortable with an application having a privilege suchL > as "TELECOM" which grants it what is needed to do without jeoperdizing theP > file system. Similarly, to create a DECNET object, an application needs SYSNAMI > which si also quite dangerous. (or are decnet object names stored in ano > obscure logical name table ?)e >  > Any comments ?   that's what ACL'S are for ...a   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:55:45 +0100 (MET)f9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS; Message-ID: <01KP1WTR03BKA23PDU@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>V   > :> PING also needs OPER. >  > Not true.i   > $ ucx ping 155.212.1.9  : I think the behaviour depends on the version of TCPIP/UCX.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:35:15 +0000 (UTC)(+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)i$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS+ Message-ID: <ardb63$2qt$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  b In article <3DD9E522.9C19340A@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >Mike Rechtman wrote:i, >> Mike_$set proc/priv=(NOALL,TMPMBX,NETMBX) >> Mike_$ping 16.190.233.99t >m >Ahh, but try: > M >INSTALL LIST/FULL SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$PING.EXE and you'll see that the image isa >installed with OPER privilege.m   Yes but so what.A Look on Tru64 and you will find the ping executable is suid root.MF And looking at a Solaris 2.6 system ping also appears to be suid root.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:49:53 GMTs2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS+ Message-ID: <3DD9FA4B.11F5455E@digital.com>-  7 Even simpler in TCPIP (as opposed to the UCX versions):i Mike_$sho sym ping= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellinghH Mike_$@Sys$startup:tcpip$define_commands        <<< put this in LOGIN or SYLOGIN ) Mike_$set proc/priv=(NOALL,TMPMBX,NETMBX)r Mike_$ping 16.190.233.991 PING 16.190.233.99 (16.190.233.99): 56 data bytesG9 64 bytes from 16.190.233.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=1 mst9 64 bytes from 16.190.233.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=1 mso9 64 bytes from 16.190.233.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=1 msS9 64 bytes from 16.190.233.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=2 ms0  % ----16.190.233.99 PING Statistics----u9 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet lossK' round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 1/1/2 mse Mike_$      ! ----127.0.0.1 PING Statistics----a9 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss ' round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 1/1/1 ms,   Z wrote: >  > :> PING also needs OPER. >  > Not true.l >  > $ sh proc/priv > I > 18-NOV-2002 16:14:44.72   User: ZARLENGA         Process ID:   00002E8B  > ...g > Authorized privileges: >  NETMBX       TMPMBX >  > Process privileges: 1 >  NETMBX               may create network device 4 >  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox >  > Process rights:o- >  ZARLENGA                          resourcer >  INTERACTIVE >  LOCAL > ...e > $ ucx ping 155.212.1.9/ > PING 155.212.1.9 (155.212.1.9): 56 data bytesm9 > 64 bytes from 155.212.1.9: icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=35 msh9 > 64 bytes from 155.212.1.9: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=52 msn9 > 64 bytes from 155.212.1.9: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=34 msD9 > 64 bytes from 155.212.1.9: icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=35 msi% > ----155.212.1.9 PING Statistics---- ; > 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss , > round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 34/39/52 ms > $e   -- eE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that."? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*eF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------0 -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----2 Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:16:10 -0500h0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS/ Message-ID: <3DD9E522.9C19340A@vl.videotron.ca>    Mike Rechtman wrote:+ > Mike_$set proc/priv=(NOALL,TMPMBX,NETMBX)- > Mike_$ping 16.190.233.99  
 Ahh, but try:-  L INSTALL LIST/FULL SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$PING.EXE and you'll see that the image is installed with OPER privilege.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:58:51 -0500t. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>5 Subject: Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread)1. Message-ID: <3DD9467B.425C11C5@pressenter.com>   Lyndon Bartels wrote:   G I found the what's causing the application to bomb. Though I don't knowg why.    ? It seems that the last "printf" statement is causing the issue.r  C For some reason, I removed all the debugging printf's and it workedeH perfectly. I went back to the previous version, and it didn't work. ThenD one, by one, I removed them, and tried. The printf at the end is the> culprit. I highlighted the culprit in the enclosed text below.    E Now, any guesses why? I haven't a clue. I'm thinking that it might behA something confuzzling up the valuse of the return status... But I 6 haven't got an idea as to how that might be happening.     Thanks in advance,   Lyndon                 > 0 > /* includes and initial variables left out. */ >  >    dfab   = cc$rms_fab;c >     dnam   = cc$rms_nam; >  >     ffab   = cc$rms_fab; >     fnam   = cc$rms_nam; >     xabfhc = cc$rms_xabfhc;t >     xabdat = cc$rms_xabdat;d > 4 >     /* copy the wildcard name into the filename */ >     strcpy(filename,"*.*;*");  > B >     dfab.fab$l_dna = filename;          /* Assign the address of
 > filename */nA >                                         /* to fab$fab$l_dna. */vB >     dfab.fab$b_dns = strlen(filename);  /* Assign the length. */F >     dfab.fab$l_nam = &dnam;             /* Assign the address of NAM
 > block */ > B >     dnam.nam$l_esa = esa;               /* Address of the esa */= >     dnam.nam$b_ess = sizeof esa;        /* length of esa */nB >     dnam.nam$l_rsa = rsa;               /* Address of the rsa */> >     dnam.nam$b_rss = sizeof rsa;        /* Length of rsa. */ > * >     /* esa  "expanded search address" */+ >     /* rsa  "resultant search address" */1 > ; >     if ((status = sys$parse(&dfab,0,0)) == RMS$_NORMAL) {i> >         printf("\nFrom $PARSE %.*s\n", dnam.nam$b_esl, esa); >  >         file_counter = 0;  > 2 >        printf("    d-ifi: %d\n",dfab.fab$w_ifi); > C >         while ((status = sys$search(&dfab,0,0)) == RMS$_NORMAL) {a) >             printf("Debug point  0\n");:7 >             printf("    d-ifi: %d\n",dfab.fab$w_ifi);s >             file_counter++;e& >             strcpy(outfilename,rsa);1 >             outfilename[dnam.nam$b_rsl] = '\0';n+ >             ffab.fab$l_fna = outfilename;b3 >             ffab.fab$b_fns = strlen(outfilename); % >             ffab.fab$l_nam = &fnam;d' >             ffab.fab$l_xab = &xabfhc; ) >             xabfhc.xab$l_nxt = &xabdat;V > , >             file_status = sys$open(&ffab);- >             if (file_status != RMS$_NORMAL)-( >                 lib$stop(file_status); > 1 >             file_size = xabfhc.xab$l_ebk * 512;e > 7 >             printf("    file size: %d\n", file_size);= > 3 >             date_status = sys$asctim(   &datelen,e4 >                                         &date_dsc,? >                                         &xabdat.xab$q_cdt,0);e, >             if (date_status != SS$_NORMAL)( >                 lib$stop(date_status); > 2 >             printf("    file date: %s\n", date);5 >             printf("    ifi: %d\n",ffab.fab$w_ifi);  > ? >             date_status = sys$numtim(   &datetime_components, = >                                         &xabdat.xab$q_cdt);I, >             if (date_status != SS$_NORMAL)( >                 lib$stop(date_status); > 4 >             printf("    file month/year: %d/%d\n",4 >                         datetime_components.month,4 >                         datetime_components.year); > - >             file_status = sys$close(&ffab);t- >             if (file_status != RMS$_NORMAL)r( >                 lib$stop(file_status); > 7 >             printf("    f-ifi: %d\n",ffab.fab$w_ifi); 7 >             printf("    d-ifi: %d\n",dfab.fab$w_ifi);i >  >             }d% >         printf("Debug point  9\n");g    6 /*   This printf statement is causing the problem.  */      # >         if (status != RMS$_NMF) {  >             exit(status);  >         }h >     }r >     printf("Done.\n");3 >     printf("Number of files: %i\n",file_counter);  >  > --   -- iG My opinions are mine and mine alone. 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Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote in message & news:arcaus02821@enews3.newsguy.com...% > John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:dA > > It looks like VMS 7.3-1 breaks the unsupported and heretofore - > > indestructible Pathworks Mac file server.c >rI > Any idea if VMS can still print to an Ethertalk printer using Pathworks  Mac?I > One of my VMS servers main jobs is a print server.  Stuff prints to the- VMS-9 > box via Samba, and it prints the printer via Appletalk.   L It ought to, because while it's in general unsupported, DCPS is supported, &% still uses it to print via Appletalk.   H We still make extensive use of Appletalk printing (not via DCPS), file &7 disk services, and have a client server app using adsp.mI There's still no good substitute for the Appletalk print protocol, if youuJ want a two-way dialogue with a printer (good for debugging); although lpd,F being much faster, is better for production purposes (but unusable via dcps).   Chrisu   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Nov 2002 03:25:16 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>' Subject: Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1o, Message-ID: <arcaus02821@enews3.newsguy.com>  # John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote: ? > It looks like VMS 7.3-1 breaks the unsupported and heretoforeu+ > indestructible Pathworks Mac file server.r  M Any idea if VMS can still print to an Ethertalk printer using Pathworks Mac? sK One of my VMS servers main jobs is a print server.  Stuff prints to the VMSi7 box via Samba, and it prints the printer via Appletalk.   J > The NFS server does seem to work well with Mac OS X 10.2, however, there8 > are still a lot of OS 9x Macs which need to be served.  I Shoot, my one system will probably remain at 8.5 as it does it's job justRL fine.  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Are there other causes of RWAST, other than ast quota exhausted ?B As far as I could see, none of the standard quotas were exhausted.  K The application is an Appletalk listener, starting up to 40 subprocesses to H serve individual clients over Appletalk. There's a suspicion that it mayK have reached its 40 process limit, so I've increased that to 45. Here's its 
 quotas today:p  E            AST     BIO     Byt     DIO     Enq     Fil     Page    TQa PrcoJ Limit   100     100     707296  100     6750    1800    360000  34      45J Avail   98      98      400032  100     2633    904     176608  34      10F WSsz = 8144 quo = 16288 ext = 2000000 pk = 2608 auth = 16288 authext = 2000000oI Login: 18-NOV-2002 22:10:54.65; CPU time 0.03; VirtPeak = 168224; WSdef =s 8144   VMS 7.3.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:08:41 GMTw9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>t, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!? Message-ID: <b0bcd1974b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>h  3 In message <ard6p7$eeo$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>(=           "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:   < > I had a process in an RWAST state (according to anal/sys).G > It's AST limit (PHD) was 100 (correct), and the AST count field (PCB)1@ > contained 98 (that's how many remaining available, I believe). >  > All this data from SDA.dH > I couldn't find any way to fix/delete the process, so I had to reboot.N > The new force_process_dump didn't work - it would be nice if that could work > regardless of astquota.s > D > I'm mystified, though, by it reporting both RWAST and 98 ast quotaN > remaining. Are there other causes of RWAST, other than ast quota exhausted ?D > As far as I could see, none of the standard quotas were exhausted.  I My understanding (possibly wrong) is that RWAST was waiting for an AST todL complete, not waiting for enough quota to issue one. For this reason, such aF process is undeletable, and unless the AST does eventually complete, a reboot is required.o   > M > The application is an Appletalk listener, starting up to 40 subprocesses toaJ > serve individual clients over Appletalk. There's a suspicion that it mayM > have reached its 40 process limit, so I've increased that to 45. Here's its  > quotas today:a > G >            AST     BIO     Byt     DIO     Enq     Fil     Page    TQ9 > Prc0L > Limit   100     100     707296  100     6750    1800    360000  34      45L > Avail   98      98      400032  100     2633    904     176608  34      10H > WSsz = 8144 quo = 16288 ext = 2000000 pk = 2608 auth = 16288 authext =	 > 2000000iK > Login: 18-NOV-2002 22:10:54.65; CPU time 0.03; VirtPeak = 168224; WSdef =H > 8144 > 
 > VMS 7.3. >  >    --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:46:17 -0000p2 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!4 Message-ID: <ardint$r8k$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  = Thanks all - some good resources bookmarked for next time ...t   Regards, Chrisl   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Nov 2002 13:22:09 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: VS3100 help, please. 5 Message-ID: <arddu0$hce3k$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>u  E I have a VS3100 with a proken network switch.  Given the unlikeliness,D of finding a replacement switch, the difficulty in actually removingH the old one and the fact that I would never use 10Base2 again, I proposeI to merely solder jumpers on the board to make it permanently set for AUI.h  D So, does anyone have a schematic or info on the inside of the switchC so I can determine what contacts get soldered together to do this??6   bill   -- 1J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:07:33 -050012 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: VS3100 help, please.w. Message-ID: <3DDA45A5.F017F9B1@mindspring.com>  % Atlant Schmidt UPDATED his ASCII art:s   > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >cI > > I have a VS3100 with a proken network switch.  Given the unlikeliness H > > of finding a replacement switch, the difficulty in actually removingL > > the old one and the fact that I would never use 10Base2 again, I proposeM > > to merely solder jumpers on the board to make it permanently set for AUI.r > >nH > > So, does anyone have a schematic or info on the inside of the switchG > > so I can determine what contacts get soldered together to do this??e > 4 > That's the little "push-push" ("alternate action")< > switch at the back of the box near the network connectors, > right? > 6 > If so, then the switching mechanism is just a series8 > of sliders that slide over the "posts" that are formed5 > by the soldered connections. Here's some ASCII art:  >  > One position:  >m >   <====>      <====> >    o  o  o     o  o  o >   <====>      <====> >e >   <====>      <====> >    o  o  o     o  o  o >   <====>      <====> >e > The other position:m >a >      <====>      <====>i >    o  o  o     o  o  o >      <====>      <====>p >u >      <====>      <====>  >    o  o  o     o  o  o >      <====>      <====>t >l4 > Imagine that those bits shown as "o" are the posts4 > that stick up from the PC board. The bits shown as >i
 >   <====> >y
 >   <====> > 1 > Are actually "U" shaped sliders that slide downo4 > over the posts and contact the posts on both sides3 > (so this is really a cross-section *AT* the levels3 > of the contact points). As those U-shaped slidersd3 > slide fore-and-aft, they short the middle post ini7 > each SPDT triple to the front-most or rear-most post.  >g8 > So just amputate the upper (moving) part of the switch8 > and solder the sliders (or wires) where you need them.6 > If the switch should be depressed, short the middle-: > to-rear posts in each SPDT tripple. If the switch should< > be undepressed, short the middle-to-front in each tripple. >: > Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:06:29 -0500>2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: VS3100 help, please.m. Message-ID: <3DDA4565.ED32787A@mindspring.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  G > I have a VS3100 with a proken network switch.  Given the unlikelinesseF > of finding a replacement switch, the difficulty in actually removingJ > the old one and the fact that I would never use 10Base2 again, I proposeK > to merely solder jumpers on the board to make it permanently set for AUI.> >lF > So, does anyone have a schematic or info on the inside of the switchE > so I can determine what contacts get soldered together to do this??t  2 That's the little "push-push" ("alternate action"): switch at the back of the box near the network connectors, right?  4 If so, then the switching mechanism is just a series6 of sliders that slide over the "posts" that are formed3 by the soldered connections. Here's some ASCII art:   
 One position:e    <====>      <====>v    o  o  o     o  o  o   <====>      <====>       <====>      <====>    o  o  o     o  o  o   <====>      <====>     The other position:1        <====>      <====>r    o  o  o     o  o  o      <====>      <====>J        <====>      <====>e    o  o  o     o  o  o      <====>      <====>.    2 Imagine that those bits shown as "o" are the posts2 that stick up from the PC board. The bits shown as     <====>     <====>  / Are actually "U" shaped sliders that slide down 2 over the posts and contact the posts on both sides1 (so this is really a cross-section *AT* the leveln1 of the contact points). As those U-shaped slidersr1 slide fore-and-aft, they short the middle post in 5 each SPDT triple to the front-most or rear-most post.t  6 So just amputate the upper (moving) part of the switch6 and solder the sliders (or wires) where you need them.4 If the switch should be depressed, short the middle-8 to-rear posts in each SPDT tripple. If the switch should: be undepressed, short the middle-to-front in each tripple.   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Nov 2002 15:31:54 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: VS3100 help, please.l5 Message-ID: <ardlh9$hrhm5$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>i  > Thank you.  I just wanted to confirm that it was just a simpleA switch.  Actually, the top is missing, which is how it is broken.iA I figure to just solder the appropriate switch contacts together.b  
 All the best.a   bill   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:50:33 -0700J From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>o! Subject: Re: VS3100 help, please.t& Message-ID: <3DDA87F9.9090104@srv.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:@ > Thank you.  I just wanted to confirm that it was just a simpleC > switch.  Actually, the top is missing, which is how it is broken. C > I figure to just solder the appropriate switch contacts together.e >   ; Replace it with some wire-wrap pins. then you will still be  able to change it if necesary.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Nov 2002 18:57:25 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: VS3100 help, please.o5 Message-ID: <are1ik$hfv01$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   & In article <3DDA87F9.9090104@srv.net>," 	Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:A >> Thank you.  I just wanted to confirm that it was just a simpleeD >> switch.  Actually, the top is missing, which is how it is broken.D >> I figure to just solder the appropriate switch contacts together. >> > > = > Replace it with some wire-wrap pins. then you will still be   > able to change it if necesary. >   ? That's the option I decided on.  Now I just change jumpers liket on an old WD8003.  :-)   bill      -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:26:51 -0500*0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>3 Subject: Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated / Message-ID: <3DD96920.2440849F@vl.videotron.ca>e   Shane Smith wrote: > Q > http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~62604,00.htmla    D > So MS are going to try and do a multi-platform OS again. (Ha ha haE > bonk*) I wonder how long before they pick one and stick to it? IMHOn. > it'll be hammer, if AMD survive long enough.    K Since Hammer is just a glorified 8086, I don't really see it as a different N platform. In fact, AMD made a point in that press release to state that the 321 bit Office software ran fine on that 64 platform.i  M *in concept* the 64 bit 8686 is the winning platform, compared to the totally M different IA64 which is incompatible with "industry standard" software. (letsiL use Carly's own terminology to show how Carly's decision to put all her ovum8 in the Intel basket is going to come back to haunt her).  J Whether AMD can deliver the product is a different issue. But I think thatK their concept to develop the industry standard 8086 to 64 bits is the right M one. And Intel should know, they managed to get the 8086 from an 8 bit bus tojH a 16 bit bus, and then evolve that same architectire to 32 bits, exactlyP because they knew that software compatibility was job #1 for commodity products.  K If AMD succeeds, it will truly relegate IA64 as HP's proprietarry chip thath runs NSK, VMS and HPUX.e  I And if that happens, I feel that Alpha would be a much better choice as aeJ "proprietary" chip than IA64, both in cost, technology and easy of upgrade# since it is a cleaner architecture.e   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:12:32 +0100 (CET)k9 From: Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker <levitte@openssl.org>e1 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OpenSSL 0.9.7 beta 4 released : Message-ID: <20021119.111232.75426420.levitte@openssl.org>  D   The fourth beta release of OpenSSL 0.9.7 is now available from theC   OpenSSL FTP site <URL: ftp://ftp.openssl.org/source/>.  This betaeE   contains numerous fixes (among others, security-related ones) since B   beta 3, which explains the long time that has passed between the   two.  E   This is NOT a final beta.  Beta 5, which is planned to be the finallC   one, will be released in two weeks if everything works well.  ThebE   final release of OpenSSL 0.9.7 is scheduled for Tuesday 2002-12-10.u>   To make sure that it will work correctly, please test beta 4C   thoroughly, for example with your favorite piece of software, and2F   please report back to us!  Also, please test on as many platforms asE   you have available and you have time for, especially on less commonn   platforms.  :   If you're interested in helping further, please join the?   openssl-dev@openssl.org list, where test requests on specific *   development snapshots will be announced.  8   Changes between 0.9.7 beta 3 and 0.9.7 beta 4 include:  K       o Support for new platforms: Windows CE, Tandem OSS, A/UX, AIX 64-bits4       o Extended support for some platforms: VxWorks.       o Enhanced support for shared libraries.       o Support for pkg-config.t       o Lots of new manuals.2       o A few new engines added in the demos area.  D   The full set of changes between 0.9.6{x} and 0.9.7 beta 4 include:  !       o New library section OCSP.q&       o Complete rewrite of ASN1 code.8       o CRL checking in verify code and openssl utility.*       o Extension copying in 'ca' utility.1       o Flexible display options in 'ca' utility.nC       o Provisional support for international characters with UTF8.dC       o Support for external crypto devices ('engine') is no longer           a separate distribution.+       o New elliptic curve library section.i+       o New AES (Rijndael) library section.cK       o Support for new platforms: Windows CE, Tandem OSS, A/UX, AIX 64-bitL4       o Extended support for some platforms: VxWorks.       o Enhanced support for shared libraries.       o Support for pkg-config.s       o Lots of new manuals.M       o Change DES API to clean up the namespace (some applications link also I         against libdes providing similar functions having the same name).sI         Provide macros for backward compatibility (will be removed in ther         future).H       o Unify handling of cryptographic algorithms (software and engine)N         to be available via EVP routines for asymmetric and symmetric ciphers.3       o NCONF: new configuration handling routines.gJ       o Change API to use more 'const' modifiers to improve error checking         and help optimizers.,       o Finally remove references to RSAref.*       o Reworked parts of the BIGNUM code.G       o Support for new engines: Broadcom ubsec, Accelerated Encryption=         Processing, IBM 4758.f2       o A few new engines added in the demos area.=       o Extended and corrected OID (object identifier) table.eN       o PRNG: query at more locations for a random device, automatic query for6         EGD style random sources at several locations.O       o SSL/TLS: allow optional cipher choice according to server's preference.R@       o SSL/TLS: allow server to explicitly set new session ids.:       o SSL/TLS: support Kerberos cipher suites (RFC2712).K       o SSL/TLS: allow more precise control of renegotiations and sessions.g;       o SSL/TLS: add callback to retrieve SSL/TLS messages.v5       o SSL/TLS: support AES cipher suites (RFC3268).e      The distribution file name is:  "       o openssl-0.9.7-beta4.tar.gz6         MD5 checksum: 43cf89b428fbdd7873b5aae2680cd324  ;   The checksum was calculated using the following commands:n  ,     openssl md5 < openssl-0.9.7-beta4.tar.gz   -- P+ Richard Levitte         levitte@openssl.orgh8 OpenSSL Project         http://www.openssl.org/~levitte/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:43:56 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: [OT] HP has big cheesesJ Message-ID: <MzhC9.103169$YSz1.85045@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message) news:uta1aq66hpk68f@corp.supernews.com...d >e > Any more suggestions ?    L Compaq had the Ben Rosen - an old, crusty cheese, tainted by staying out too long in the hot Texas sun.   and of course there wasuL the Capellas - similar to an Emmenthal, it was full of holes and had a taste0 that was bitter and reminiscent of Prussic acid.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.640 ************************