1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 641       Contents: 600Mhz DS10's Only USD2875@ Re: Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support ph Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: backup/list save_sets  Re: backup/list save_sets  Re: backup/list save_sets  Re: backup/list save_sets  backup/list save_sets  Re: backup/list save_sets  Re: backup/list save_sets  Re: backup/list save_sets + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail ' Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates % RE: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates  Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi  Re: CSWS hangs< Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2< Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2< RE: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2% Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure  Re: Goldfax performance/support - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. P Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on wP Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on w RE: Linux for Alpha/VAX ! Re: Managing C routine prototypes ! Re: Managing C routine prototypes ! Re: Managing C routine prototypes ! Re: Managing C routine prototypes  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS ' RE: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS  OT: Linux for Alpha/VAX  Re: OT: Linux for Alpha/VAX , Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread), Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread), Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread), Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread) Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1# Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!  SHOW SYSTEM bug VAX-VMS 7.2  Re: SHOW SYSTEM bug VAX-VMS 7.2 $ VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has* Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:45:44 -0500  From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net># Subject: 600Mhz DS10's Only USD2875 . Message-ID: <utltm883c2u1a@news.supernews.com>   DS10 600Mhz EV67 256MB Memory Dual 10/100 Ethernet 40GB IDE Disk (VMS Compatible) Floppy CDROM   / This is lower than dealer to dealer pricing !!!    Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory St, Ste 180 Savannah GA 31404, USA Tel: (00) 1 912 447 662  Fax: (00) 1 912 201 0096 sales@hpaq.net www.islandco.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:23:10 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) I Subject: Re: Anyone still have the Digital pre-sales technical support ph + Message-ID: <ardafe$2qt$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   P In article <utj0107hac3l05@news.supernews.com>, "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net> writes: >They don't exist any longer...  > E >Found that out the other day when Max our buyer called them to buy a   >replacement DS20e power button. > J >Went through the whole menu, (which mentioned Alpha servers etc) and then >held for a REP. > K >After about 15 minutes we got a human that asked us what kind of system we  >had and the serial num.0 >He told them Alphaserver Ds20e and gave the SN.4 >HE asked what OS we were using and he said OpenVMS. > H >The response, wait for it..., was "WE DON'T SUPPORT OPENVIEW (some HPUX >stuff I guess).J >SO I interjected - "He said OPENVMS - that's an Operating System that has( >been around for years before Microsoft.H >He said "Oh, OK, but OpenView is supported through a different number " >  >Aghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! >  >DT  >   D OK yet another argument for never pronouncing the Open in OpenVMS :)  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:03:12 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail ' Message-ID: <3DDAED60.9FFF3978@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  > O > Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, a theoretical foreign mail protocol.  > O > Lets assume that such a "plugin" would allow one to attach files when sending  > a VMSmail message. > I > Would there be any prefered syntax to signal the files to be attached ?  >  > for instance: 	 > ------- & > TO: chocolate%Chef_Pierre@pastry.com< > Subject: Please find inclosed my recipe for a great mousse > Enter text below:  >  > Cher Pierre, > J > Ci-inclus sont des fichiers DECwrite avec des recettes incroyables d'une > mousse au chocolat. > > @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse1.doc  application/decwrite3 > @@@$MYDISK:[cooking.desert]mousse.jpg  image/jpeg  > 
 > <ctrl-Z> > ------ > M > Apart from a @@@file_name_here, what other syntaxes could be used to signal  > inclusion of a file ?   F Within recent memory, someone posted some DCL to use UUENCODE/UUDECODEG to "attach" files to messages. There were some possible uses for it, as / I recall. May be worth Googling for... Dunno...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 11:48:33 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)" Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets< Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0211191148.5c5e8e2@posting.google.com>  Z emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> wrote in message news:<3DDA6053.8090505@ecubics.com>... > Hi, B > I have tapes with more than one save_set on them. How can I list# > the names of the save_sets only ? E > BACKUP/LIST gives me all the filenames also, which take a while ...  > F > And, how to copy one save_set to another tape, without changing any  > information of the save_set ?  >  > thanks   $ MOUNT/OVER=ID tape-device  $ DIRECTORY tape-device    -or-   $ MOUNT tape-device label  $ DIRECTORY tape-device    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 13:11:08 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) " Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets= Message-ID: <8a646952.0211191311.69bf475e@posting.google.com>   Z emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> wrote in message news:<3DDA6053.8090505@ecubics.com>... > Hi, B > I have tapes with more than one save_set on them. How can I list# > the names of the save_sets only ? E > BACKUP/LIST gives me all the filenames also, which take a while ...  > F > And, how to copy one save_set to another tape, without changing any  > information of the save_set ?  >  > thanks   Emanuel,   I think this is how it goes?   $    allocate Tape_device . $    mount/override=identification Tape_device $    dir Tape_device  ' Now you can treat the device as a disk.    Daryl Jones    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 14:08:26 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets3 Message-ID: <KrAtrSFf104m@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3DDA6053.8090505@ecubics.com>, emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> writes:  > Hi, B > I have tapes with more than one save_set on them. How can I list# > the names of the save_sets only ? E > BACKUP/LIST gives me all the filenames also, which take a while ...   E    BACKUP creates an ANSI/ASCII labled tape which is the VMS Files-11 H    tape format.  Dismount it (BACKUP requires the mount to be /foreign),E    and mount it as a labeled tape (don't use /foreign).  Then you can G    use the DIRECTORY command on the tape, it will list all the save set 	    names.   F > And, how to copy one save_set to another tape, without changing any  > information of the save_set ?   D    Use the save set manager (optional product), or better yet track     down a copy of TCOPY.EXE.  A    You can usually get away with a tape to tape COPY of the files B    treating both tapes as labeled tapes, but sometimes BACKUP doesD    non-standard error processing with the save set manager and TCOPY     understand, but COPY doesn't.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 15:16:09 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) " Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0211191516.3946b4e8@posting.google.com>   Z emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> wrote in message news:<3DDA6053.8090505@ecubics.com>... > Hi, B > I have tapes with more than one save_set on them. How can I list# > the names of the save_sets only ? E > BACKUP/LIST gives me all the filenames also, which take a while ...  > F > And, how to copy one save_set to another tape, without changing any  > information of the save_set ?  >  > thanks4 If you mount the tape without the /FOREIGN qualifier% $ mount mkannn: <label> <logicalname> D then just do a directory - it should show the savesets as .bck files $ dir mkannn:* then rewind the tape $ set magtape mkannn: /rewind I then copy the savesets where you want (all saveset details are unchanged) # $ copy mkannn:saveset1.bck mkcnnn:  / (the second tape must also be mounted as above)  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:01:23 -0700 ( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> Subject: backup/list save_sets* Message-ID: <3DDA6053.8090505@ecubics.com>   Hi, @ I have tapes with more than one save_set on them. How can I list! the names of the save_sets only ? C BACKUP/LIST gives me all the filenames also, which take a while ...   D And, how to copy one save_set to another tape, without changing any  information of the save_set ?    thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:10:15 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> " Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets' Message-ID: <3DDA6267.348DFA8B@vcu.edu>   ! easy... if the tape is ansi, then    mount/over=id tape:    dir tape:*.*  1 will get you the save set names, but not sizes...   " dir/size:all/date:created tape:*.*  G will get you sizes and creation dates, but take a while...  anyhow, you G are still reading the tape, so it will take a bit anyhow, but the first E may run a bit faster, as you are skipping from tape mark to tape mark E instead of reading all the data inbetween.  now, if someone knows i'm @ wrong, please feel free to speak up, and speak loud, i'm hard of
 hearing.. ;-P    Jim  emanuel stiebler wrote:  >  > Hi, B > I have tapes with more than one save_set on them. How can I list# > the names of the save_sets only ? E > BACKUP/LIST gives me all the filenames also, which take a while ...  > E > And, how to copy one save_set to another tape, without changing any  > information of the save_set ?  >  > thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 09:45:23 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org" Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets3 Message-ID: <cGsLAtex6kJ+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3DDA67FA.9090806@ecubics.com>, emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> writes:  > UPS, sorry my fault.% > Never write mails before coffee ;-)  > H > This are volume sets, (complete volume backups) so DIR doesn't work :( > (made with backup/image ...)  C Read again.  The commands given will work.  The backup save sets on > tape are also files on tape.  And when you mount the tape with< file structure turned on, the DIRECTORY command will be able to access them as such.   D When you make the backup, the tape is traditionally mounted /FOREIGN/ (and these days, BACKUP will mount it for you).   = When you do the directory, the tape must be mounted as a file * structured volume.  e.g. without /FOREIGN.   $ MOUNT /FOREIGN MKA0:+ $ BACKUP /IMAGE SYS$SYSDEVICE: MKA0:FOO.BCK  $ DISMOUNT MKA0: /NOUNLOAD $ MOUNT MKA0: FOO  $ DIR MKA0:  $ DISMOUNT MKA0:   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:22:53 -0700 ( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>" Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets* Message-ID: <3DDA736D.9080406@ecubics.com>  
 You're right.  Simply not my day today ;-)    cheers & thanks    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: W > In article <3DDA67FA.9090806@ecubics.com>, emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> writes:  >  >>UPS, sorry my fault.% >>Never write mails before coffee ;-)  >>H >>This are volume sets, (complete volume backups) so DIR doesn't work :( >>(made with backup/image ...) >  > E > Read again.  The commands given will work.  The backup save sets on @ > tape are also files on tape.  And when you mount the tape with> > file structure turned on, the DIRECTORY command will be able > to access them as such.  > F > When you make the backup, the tape is traditionally mounted /FOREIGN1 > (and these days, BACKUP will mount it for you).  > ? > When you do the directory, the tape must be mounted as a file , > structured volume.  e.g. without /FOREIGN. >  > $ MOUNT /FOREIGN MKA0:- > $ BACKUP /IMAGE SYS$SYSDEVICE: MKA0:FOO.BCK  > $ DISMOUNT MKA0: /NOUNLOAD > $ MOUNT MKA0: FOO 
 > $ DIR MKA0:  > $ DISMOUNT MKA0: >  > 	John Briggs   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:42:13 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail. Message-ID: <are46l$7nl$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  ~ mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes in article <utkt3ro7a02809@corp.supernews.com> dated Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:27:23 -0000:? >Somewhere in the dim, dark past I remember being able to send  K >BASE64-encoded files using VMSMail.  For the life of me, however, I can't  L >drag the procedure out of my memory banks (you don't suppose I'm aging, do H >you?).  So: how does one send, say, a binary file using VMSMail (other " >than, say, UUENCODEing it first)?  J MAIL has a SEND/FOREIGN command which is undocumented and unsupported.  It$ may or may not use base-64 encoding.  K >Also, is it possible to send files using VMSMail with MIME surrounds such  J >that other mail programs on the Internet will see the file(s) being sent  >as attachments?   If you're running VMS 7.3,       $ help mime   . older versions (not sure how far back it goes)       $ mcr mime     MIME> help  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:27:23 -0000 ' From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) 0 Subject: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail/ Message-ID: <utkt3ro7a02809@corp.supernews.com>   
 Greetings!  > Somewhere in the dim, dark past I remember being able to send J BASE64-encoded files using VMSMail.  For the life of me, however, I can't K drag the procedure out of my memory banks (you don't suppose I'm aging, do  G you?).  So: how does one send, say, a binary file using VMSMail (other  ! than, say, UUENCODEing it first)?   J Also, is it possible to send files using VMSMail with MIME surrounds such I that other mail programs on the Internet will see the file(s) being sent   as attachments?    We're using UCX, BTW.    T I A!   --   Mike Freeman < K 7 U I J >H "All men tend to become that which they oppose." - Laurence van der Post   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:32:15 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates2 Message-ID: <QcWcnagmx5IjDEegXTWcog@metrocast.net>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B77@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. Bill,   + Re: Alpha NT ..not to dig up old news but -   G >>> though there's little indication that it was initiated by Microsoft E (which actually got some mileage out of Alpha, both in the ability to F present Windows as multi-platform and in the prospect of extending its@ offerings into the 64-bit enterprise space on the platform). <<<  @ Since it was not costing Microsoft anything for these additional4 capabilities, imho, why would Microsoft initiate it?  B However, for those that were paying ALL the bill's (including manyG ISV's) and waiting for 64bit NT to establish a credible difference (you F can only do so much with 32bit apps running on a 64bit platform), they might have a different view.   *** J You don't have to speculate:  clearly, Compaq had a *very* different view.K The question is whether that view was a rational one or an incompetent one.   H And while you may not think that 32-bit NT on Alpha was significant, theH fact that (before the Compaq take-over put the future of the platform inH question) it accounted for about 15% of Alpha systems sold suggests that1 actual customers viewed that differently as well.  ***   H Don't forget IBM and MIPS also dumped NT on their RISC platforms as wellF for the same reasons. They were paying all the costs as well. They did# not like the business model either.    *** H I suspect that NT on their platforms may not have accounted for the sameJ percentage of system sales as it did for Alpha.  And they also didn't haveI the imminent prospect of a 64-bit version of Windows when they decided to 
 drop support.   H Given that Curly and Robison were apparently already considering killingJ Alpha at about that time, then the Compaq decision makes a twisted kind ofL sense (i.e., it was the decision to kill Alpha that was utterly incompetent,L but the decision to drop the NT development activity followed naturally fromE there).  For a company interested in expanding the hardware platform, L however, the decision was a monumentally stupid one - a fact that did not go( unrecognized by some people at the time.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:47:29 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates/ Message-ID: <3DDAB171.5E06AF98@vl.videotron.ca>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:G > however, lets not try and position Microsoft as having no part in the  > Alpha NT decision.  M Yes and no. Microsoft would quit working on Alpha-NT the minute they would be K told that Compaq had no longe term intentions to expand Alpha's marketplace  and be phased out.  I Remember that initially, Digital had hoped that Alpha would become widely L used, so it was to Microsoft's advantage to jump into what could potentiallyL become a bandwagon. When it started to look like Digital was shooting itselfL in the foot, Microsoft would realised that porting stuff like Office etc wasH opintless, and when Capellas took over, it must have become offical thatJ Digital/Compaq would never leverage the potential of Alpha, hence a mutual agreement to cancel it.   L But the fault still lays clearly on Digital/Compaq for not wanting to expandK Alpha to the markets where Microsoft wanted it for NT. Remember that NT was H nowhere near being ready for Wildfire type of systems, it was looking atO smaller systems which Digital/Compaq was not interetested in marketing/growing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:23:00 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> . Subject: RE: Capellas was offered job by GatesT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B79@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,   1 >>> Microsoft would quit working on Alpha-NT ..<<   
 What work?  : The Alpha NT code was all compiled, tested and debugged byF Digital/Compaq in Digital/Compaq facilities by Digital/Compaq staff. IF can't remember, but I think even the pkging was done by Digital/Compaq, folks or contractors paid by Digital/Compaq.  4 Re: Microsoft interest in Alpha NT client markets ..  H Microsoft was real interested in Alpha client software all right. That'sB why they never released an updated version of WORD on the NT-AlphaE platform that fixed the issue of the Alpha NT V1.0 WORD version being C shipped with all of the debug code still loaded in it (you know the G stuff that kills performance, but is loaded for debugging functionality D prob's). I was part of the NT Wizards with Digital at the time  - We$ screamed... But the rest is history.  G And that was approx 2 years before the drop Alpha NT decision was made.   G Again, there are lots of area's that could have been done better wrt to E Alpha NT, but lets not put the sparkle glasses on and try and put all  the blame on Digital/Compaq.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)        -----Original Message-----: From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]=20 Sent: November 19, 2002 4:47 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates     "Main, Kerry" wrote:J > however, lets not try and position Microsoft as having no part in the=20 > Alpha NT decision.  D Yes and no. Microsoft would quit working on Alpha-NT the minute theyH would be told that Compaq had no longe term intentions to expand Alpha's marketplace and be phased out.  B Remember that initially, Digital had hoped that Alpha would becomeG widely used, so it was to Microsoft's advantage to jump into what could H potentially become a bandwagon. When it started to look like Digital wasH shooting itself in the foot, Microsoft would realised that porting stuffH like Office etc was opintless, and when Capellas took over, it must haveH become offical that Digital/Compaq would never leverage the potential of- Alpha, hence a mutual agreement to cancel it.   E But the fault still lays clearly on Digital/Compaq for not wanting to F expand Alpha to the markets where Microsoft wanted it for NT. RememberE that NT was nowhere near being ready for Wildfire type of systems, it H was looking at smaller systems which Digital/Compaq was not interetested in marketing/growing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:26:26 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates/ Message-ID: <3DDB00E0.F57740B4@vl.videotron.ca>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:J > Microsoft was real interested in Alpha client software all right. That'sD > why they never released an updated version of WORD on the NT-Alpha    J 2 years before Capellas killed NT-Alpha, it was already clear that Digital, would not even try to make Alpha mainstream.  I In order for Microsoft to take Alpha seriously, Digital would have had to K start marketing Alpha and start making it more competitive. Digital was too N busy with its bi-weekly re-orgs and musical chairs games ever since Palmer had$ taken the helm to get anything done.  L Now, Intel is funding PORTS to its fledgling IA64 chip. But will it continue2 to fund ports of VMS to IA64 once it is done ? No.  L Digital could have funded the initial port of Windows to NT, but after that,L the market for alpha should have been self-sustaining with Microsoft getting6 interested in it and paying for continued development.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:41:51 -0500 ! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> & Subject: Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSiK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B9E@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   2 I am pleased to report that with a combination of  LDDRIVER (thanks, Glenn!) and , CDRECORD (thanks to Herr Doktor and others!)  ) I've managed to burn an ODS-2 CD-ROM with / the Plextor PX-W124TSi, and that said CD-ROM is - actually mountable, readable, and usable for  / purposes other than that of beverage container  # support/desktop surface protection.   - Thanks to those who made helpful suggestions.    ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:58:16 GMT + From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: CSWS hangs 3 Message-ID: <sctC9.21$I02.1015858@news.cpqcorp.net>   8 "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:GmGNlfb0FVZb@eisner.encompasserve.org...  [snip]C > I too have seen that problem on my CSWS 1.2 server.  I thought it B > was someone trying to hack the system by DOSing the 443 port.  IC > didn't worry about a hack (this is VMS afterall) but I did wonder D > what the problem was.  I talked with manager of the system with IPD > that had all the 443 ports locked up and he said that there was noB > traffic at that time (I don't know the time lag between the CSWS  > lockup and when I noticed it). > J > I "fixed" it by commenting out the SSL stuff in the conf file.  I didn'tF > need it since I wouldn't be allowing SSL connections after my ThawteE > cert expired anyway (a few days in the future at that time).  I say F > fixed in quotes because I haven't seen it repeated, but then I don't > allow 443 through anymore.  D This problem only impacts SSL connections (usually port 443), so you# wouldn't see it if SSL is disabled.   G We have a fix undergoing test. We plan to announce a patch kit shortly.   
 Rick Barry Compaq Secure Web Server OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett-Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:03:20 GMT / From: Richard Heggs <richardSPAMh@mailSPAM.com> E Subject: Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2 = Message-ID: <YVvC9.133749$Yb1.135671@sea-read.news.verio.net>    JF Mezei wrote:    > Richard Heggs wrote: > B > >However, when I boot into OpenVMS and try to mount the CD with: > >MOUNT DKA400: /OVER=ID  > >I get the following error: & > >%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline. >  > 7 > Have you tried adding /NOWRITE to the mount command ?    Just tried this, same result.   G > Does the CD do anything (spin, lights flashing etc) when you attempt  
 > to mount > it ?   Silent as the grave.  K > If everything were fine, the message you'd be getting was indicative that # > there was no CD inside the drive.   G There's definitely a CD in there, I checked. :)  The frustrating thing  G is that I have repeatedly managed to install OpenVMS using this drive,  G the last time being a couple of hours ago.  The OpenVMS hobbyist CD is  3 in the drive still, and just does not want to play.    I think my VAX hates me.   Richard    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:08:52 GMT / From: Richard Heggs <richardSPAMh@mailSPAM.com> E Subject: Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2 = Message-ID: <8%vC9.133750$Yb1.135628@sea-read.news.verio.net>    Keith A. Lewis wrote:   H > Richard Heggs  writes in article  dated Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:21:51 GMT:   > G > >I have a VAXstation 3100 model 38, and I have installed OpenVMS 7.2  
 > from the7 > >Hobbyist CD. The CD drive I'm using is from Toshiba.  >  > G > So the CD and the CD drive are both good, or at least they were when  	 > you did  > the install.  J Yes, and I've reinstalled several times, the last time was this afternoon.   > L > Try cleaning the business side of the CD with soft cotton (i.e. wipe it onD > your t-shirt).  If that doesn't work, you could take case off the  > drive and  > clean the lens.  > K > As a sanity check, you might want to boot from the CD again, just to make % > sure nothing broke since last time.   E I'll give this a go later after dinner.  I spoke to a friend of mine  G earlier who told me he had almost the same problem (ie CD installation  B went fine, and then OpenVMS refused to recognise any media in the D drive).  The only way he got round it was to dig out another drive, $ which has worked happily ever since.  < I might have a sniff around work and see what's to be had...  L > You don't need any licenses to mount a disk.  Actually, a good way to loadK > your hobbyist licenses is to burn them onto a CD and then stick the CD in L > your VMS box.  That's probably what I did.  Much less work than commercialB > licenses, where you have to type them in from a PAK certificate.  B Coo, that's a good idea. I was going to squirt them down a TCP/IP + connection, but a CD would be much handier.    > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org @ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   :) I love this sig.    Richard    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:29:08 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>E Subject: RE: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2 0 Message-ID: <01C28FBF.08CE52A0@sulfer.icius.com>  B Hmmm, sounds like there's something small wrong that the bootstrapC routine doesn't care about but full-blown VMS does. I assume you've G tried the usual suspects; reseat/replace the cables, check the jumpers? E Toshes have always worked from the box for me, but I'm told there's a F jumper you need to set to make it 512-byte blocks. Also check the SCSIB chain is terminated properly. I prefer active termination if I can0 arrange it, seems to have a better success rate.  H Also, check the CD itself. Is it an ODS-2, or a PC formatted one. You'll> need to add /MEDIA_FORMAT=CDROM if it's PC-style. Is it clean.  0 Finally, try sacrificing a hamster at full moon.   Shane    -----Original Message-----6 From: Richard Heggs [mailto:richardSPAMh@mailSPAM.com]) Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:03 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E Subject: Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2      JF Mezei wrote:    > Richard Heggs wrote: > B > >However, when I boot into OpenVMS and try to mount the CD with: > >MOUNT DKA400: /OVER=ID  > >I get the following error: & > >%MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline. >  > 7 > Have you tried adding /NOWRITE to the mount command ?    Just tried this, same result.   G > Does the CD do anything (spin, lights flashing etc) when you attempt  
 > to mount > it ?   Silent as the grave.  K > If everything were fine, the message you'd be getting was indicative that # > there was no CD inside the drive.   G There's definitely a CD in there, I checked. :)  The frustrating thing  G is that I have repeatedly managed to install OpenVMS using this drive,  G the last time being a couple of hours ago.  The OpenVMS hobbyist CD is  3 in the drive still, and just does not want to play.    I think my VAX hates me.   Richard    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:18:31 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond). Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure1 Message-ID: <HSqC9.9$uL1.421926@news.cpqcorp.net>   / In article <arce9a$m6q$1@news.hk.linkage.net>,  & "K  Kong" <nws@fmo.esf.edu.hk> writes:   >Hi, i am new to vms   Welcome.  4 >how to get the value of parameter in DCL procedure?  : One of the great things about OpenVMS is the HELP utility. Give it a try.   In this case either        $ HELP @ or     $ HELP @ Examples   ' should provide the informatio you need.    --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:04:15 GMT + From: First Last <my_no_spamtrap@yahoo.com> ( Subject: Re: Goldfax performance/support8 Message-ID: <365mtughnvk3n1cp7biv7un9kjtr0ktdr5@4ax.com>  2 On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:41:24 -0000, "Chris Sharman"# <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:   K >I've a couple of Goldfax performance issues - anyone out there still using 5 >it on VMS, or has it become a windoze only product ?  > J >1) The postscript queue appears to have a memory leak, which causes it toJ >thrash after a few hundred jobs. Initially it works fine, ripping severalM >pages per second. Performance deteriorates however - I've seen it taking all J >of a DS20E and around 1 minute/page. The workaround is to sit & watch it,7 >and stop and restart the queue every few hundred jobs.  > M >I opened a support call last December, and despite much kicking, never got a H >solution. Now I'm declining to renew the contract (!!) and the folks atL >dpd.co.uk have stopped talking to me, so I guess the product is unsupportedJ >in the uk in practice, although there's still a willingness to take money. >apparently. Is support any better elsewhere ? >p  F The Postscript Symbiont is based on the Ghostscript interpreter.   AnyB changes made to the User Dictionary will be maintained through theD life of the image.  If things are being added to the User DictionaryF and not cleaned up afterwards, the memory usage will continue to grow.  F A good way to test Postscript files is to download the Windows versionC of the Ghostscript interpreter and run the files through it looking @ for things that aren't being released when the file is finished.C Issuing several RUN commands in a row is a good way to simulate theM* way the GoldFax Postscript Symbiont works.  M >2) We just had another issue with it, this one traced to the goldfax_cleanupC >job.d > L >It does a "show queue/all/full 'name'/out='tempfile'" for each queue in itsK >config file, generating about 1Mb of files for some 3000 queue entries. ItaI >then loops round in DCL, using f$search to find nearly 6000 files in its M >scratch directory, and searching the 1Mb of temporary files for each name in * >turn, and deleting the file if not found. > M >Anyone know what it's trying to achieve, and whether there's a less resourcey >hungry way to do it ?K >We're using Goldfax 4.5-1 on VMS 7.3-1. They said 5.2 was 'coming soon' ineK >September - I don't know what happened to 5.0 or 5.1, but they didn't sendi) >them to me despite my having a contract.u >e  A GoldFax spools jobs from the Postscript Symbiont into the ScratchiE directory.  It then submits the files in the Scratch directory to thet GoldFax_Send Symbiont.    E The Cleanup program creates a list of the files in the GoldFax queues @ and then deletes any files that are in the Scrath directory thatC aren't currently being queued to one of the GoldFax Symbionts.  TheA@ reason it was written as a DCL procedure instead of a executable@ application is so it could be modified by the end user to handle custom requirements.    @ If you have 6000 files in your Scratch directory, I would assumeD either the Cleanup procedure is missing a specific file type that isF accumulating in the Scratch directory.  Or the Cleanup procedure isn't being run often enough.0  M >If anyone at DPD knows or cares about these problems, and would like to givetM >me some service in return for support fees paid in the past, and convince me J >that support in the future would be of acceptable quality and timeliness,; >then I'd still be prepared to consider paying for support.l >c	 >Regards,s >Chris Sharman >t   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 13:17:12 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones):6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.< Message-ID: <8a646952.0211191317.af6aebc@posting.google.com>  k Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote in message news:<howard-2D30AF.08061619112002@enews.newsguy.com>...D
 > In article  @ > <CIhC9.110305$oRV.68367@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,' >  "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:G > N > > At this point in time, I think that human cannonballs and wingwalkers haveA > > better career prospects than VMS system managers/programmers.o > G > Y'know, I've been working on getting out of VMS for some time.  So I uB > went for training last March.  Got me some Tru64 system manager  > training!  So useful...q > D > My company is migrating away from HP.  Period.  Linux and (maybe) H > Solaris for us!  If it weren't for the cost of Solaris, the "(maybe)" 7 > wouldn't be there.  Damn but that stuff is expensive.m > I > The more I think about it, the more I come to the belief that quitting  I > VMS is like quitting smoking: the only way is cold-turkey, 'cause it's a
 > SO nice.    D Switching to Solaris (slowaris)is like switching to Pall Malls. YourF choice of hardware isn't any better but worse, although it is promoted better. Good Luck!!!!    Daryl Jones.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 13:22:53 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)O6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.= Message-ID: <8a646952.0211191322.17547e42@posting.google.com>i  k Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3DD9500C.6DD013A@blueyonder.co.uk>...oH > Why do all the decent looking VMS infrastructure jobs (what few there F > are around now) also require Solaris skills? Does the tunnel that isF > the VMS jobs market actually have an ending through which one day weF > can dream of seeing some light through? Have all the system managersE > been replaced by ISO17799 software and minimum wage helpdesk staff?,G > How can people live on the salary levels in London at present, is the  > smog really that nutritious? w > * > Is there a lack of cans or shit or what? > F > Sorry, too much pressing Reload on JOBSERVE is sending me 1/2 crazy.E > Even to the point where I'd take a unix or BG job if I could get ant3 > agent to take my skills in these areas seriously.o   Tim,  E It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when your B still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulum will swing back.   Daryl Jones@   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:06:17 -0500o' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> 6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.< Message-ID: <howard-2D30AF.08061619112002@enews.newsguy.com>   In article  > <CIhC9.110305$oRV.68367@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,%  "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:T  L > At this point in time, I think that human cannonballs and wingwalkers have? > better career prospects than VMS system managers/programmers.w  E Y'know, I've been working on getting out of VMS for some time.  So I e@ went for training last March.  Got me some Tru64 system manager  training!  So useful...r  B My company is migrating away from HP.  Period.  Linux and (maybe) F Solaris for us!  If it weren't for the cost of Solaris, the "(maybe)" 5 wouldn't be there.  Damn but that stuff is expensive.   G The more I think about it, the more I come to the belief that quitting aG VMS is like quitting smoking: the only way is cold-turkey, 'cause it's   SO nice.   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:22:10 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.G Message-ID: <mOrC9.111668$oRV.712@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>d  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message-& news:3DD9C257.9000403@tsoft-inc.com...* > Might be converting from Solaris to VMS. >d, > ....  I'll stick with the VMS programming.  H Given a *fair* choice, everyone still using VMS and most of those who no" longer use VMS would say the same.  H But Compaq/HP gives management at most customer sites insufficient 'warm3 fuzzies' for them to consider that a viable option.a  K Do you think that HP could build an effective brand awareness campaign suchfK as the one they have launched yesterday buy including prominent mention, oroK at least equal mention, of VMS in their ads? Of course they could. But they 2 won't. Without mind-share, VMS is destined to die.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:07:04 -0600e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.' Message-ID: <3DDAEE48.3C742151@fsi.net>6   David Froble wrote:p > * > Might be converting from Solaris to VMS. > M > I don't do wing walking or jumping out of airplanes that can still fly, and<- > such.  I'll stick with the VMS programming.   E In the Chicago, IL (USA) market, ComputerJobs and Dice both currentlyeH come up dry on VMS jobs (searching for openvms, vms or vax). Monster has) a few, but they're getting mighty scarce.i  > May have to try the Linux store idea just to escape my currentD situation... (I'm too old now - even the scavenger company turned me down!)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:08:44 -0600o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.' Message-ID: <3DDAEEAC.7C197310@fsi.net>    Daryl Jones wrote: > m > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3DD9500C.6DD013A@blueyonder.co.uk>...mI > > Why do all the decent looking VMS infrastructure jobs (what few theregH > > are around now) also require Solaris skills? Does the tunnel that isH > > the VMS jobs market actually have an ending through which one day weH > > can dream of seeing some light through? Have all the system managersG > > been replaced by ISO17799 software and minimum wage helpdesk staff?oI > > How can people live on the salary levels in London at present, is thes  > > smog really that nutritious? > >o, > > Is there a lack of cans or shit or what? > > H > > Sorry, too much pressing Reload on JOBSERVE is sending me 1/2 crazy.G > > Even to the point where I'd take a unix or BG job if I could get an 5 > > agent to take my skills in these areas seriously.m >  > Tim, > G > It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when yournD > still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulum > will swing back.  9 Are you sure some wise-guy didn't tie it off to one side?a   -- w David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:45:24 -05000' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>.6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.< Message-ID: <howard-FE2775.21452419112002@enews.newsguy.com>  = In article <8a646952.0211191322.17547e42@posting.google.com>,o9  jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) wrote:t  G > It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when yourcD > still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulum > will swing back.  F What makes you think time is a pendulum?  VMS's time has passed.  The I 1980s are over.  It was fun while it lasted, but it's -done-.  HP can go e fuck itself.   -- e4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:43:26 -0500l' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>z6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.< Message-ID: <howard-F85061.21432619112002@enews.newsguy.com>  < In article <8a646952.0211191317.af6aebc@posting.google.com>,9  jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) wrote:w  F > Switching to Solaris (slowaris)is like switching to Pall Malls. YourH > choice of hardware isn't any better but worse, although it is promoted > better. Good Luck!!!!p  H It's not what -I- want, but what I can get jobs for.  I can continue to H look for VMS jobs, but the companies involved are going to get more and G more Dilbert-like (larger, more organizational inertia).  Or I can cut o! clean and go with something else.t   -- _4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:45:35 -0800 (PST):. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Y Subject: Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on w @ Message-ID: <20021120014535.81868.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  G May be is time to have a MPE hobbist program: migration purposes ! :-))u   Regardsd   FC w* --- Vilmos Soti <vilmos@vilmos.org> wrote: > Hello, > F > Does HP offer hobbyist license for other HP products other than VMS?F > I looked around their homepage, but I didn't find anything relevant.K > It seems this is an active newsgroup and people are aware of the hobbyist 
 > program. > F > I have a 712/80 parisc box lying around with HP-UX 9 on it and would? > like to get a newer version so I can get familiar with HP-UX.o > @ > It seems HP-UX 9 is already hopelessly outdated so there is no > reason to learn it.K >  > Thanks, Vilmos     =====. ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:27:26 -0500s, From: David Michaels <michaedi@email.uc.edu>Y Subject: Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on w>, Message-ID: <3DDB011E.412BE76F@email.uc.edu>   Vilmos Soti wrote: >  > Hello, > F > Does HP offer hobbyist license for other HP products other than VMS?F > I looked around their homepage, but I didn't find anything relevant.K > It seems this is an active newsgroup and people are aware of the hobbyistu
 > program. > F > I have a 712/80 parisc box lying around with HP-UX 9 on it and would? > like to get a newer version so I can get familiar with HP-UX.  > @ > It seems HP-UX 9 is already hopelessly outdated so there is no > reason to learn it.  >  > Thanks, Vilmos     Hi,t  F HP was kind enough to send me a free copy of HPUX 11 a couple of weeksF ago. It was a cd-r copy and it took forever to arrive but it was free.& They even paid for the fedex shipping.  H The programm was called 'easy setup' I'm not sure if it's still offered,E but emailing them to ask is free so is looking around their web site..  G All I had to do was send them a email and then confirm my address a few 1 months later when they sent a follow up email....i  C HPUX 11 seems to require a 3 gig drive. HPUX 11i seems to require 4sH gigs. I personnaly think HPUX 9 is pretty cool with HP VUE, but buildingB from source or finding applications is difficult to say the least.    4 Since I'm off topic and talking about free stuff....F The coolest think I ever got free from Compaq was a license plate thatG said Linux (live free or die) from Inform magazine.... (I wouldn't mindeE a free OS download for VMS 7.x :) or a VMS license plate, anyone known- where to get those ?? or are they long gone ?a    	 Good Lucke David Michaels dmichaels@acm.orgp   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:43:10 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>  Subject: RE: Linux for Alpha/VAX0 Message-ID: <01C28FF3.2493B500@sulfer.icius.com>  H Typing "+VAX +LINUX +DOWNLOAD" into Google pulls up plenty of links withF references to Linux on VAX. You might like to look at some of them.=20   Shaneo     -----Original Message-----5 From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]e( Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:39 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come  Subject: OT: Linux for Alpha/VAX      7 I got two gifts from an old company which I worked for:e   An Alpha 2100 and VAX 4000 !=20   B Is there a way to install Linux (Alpha) in these two machines ?=20= I know there is Linux for Alpha, but what do I need to changeg? in the AS-2100 to run Linux ! The VAX: Is there a Linux or justg FreeBSD runs in it ?   Regardss   FC=20    =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dd F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilh fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Di  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:49:24 -0500:& From: "Ed Vogel" <ed.vogel@compaq.com>* Subject: Re: Managing C routine prototypes. Message-ID: <3dda95c5$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagec) news:3DDA09DD.20B57AA6@vl.videotron.ca... J || With DEC-C's strong syntax checking, one must include prototypes of allG | routines that are used in a module, otherwise the compiler complains.e  :     You can always disable the complaint by either adding:     /WARN=DISABLE=IMPLICITFUNC'     to the command line, or by putting:i(     #pragma message disable implicitfunc?     in the program someplace before the line that generates thel     first diagnostic.h   |lL | I know that CC/PROTO helps in generating those definitions. But I find the1 | quality of the .CH files to be lacking somewhato  J     (They are actually declarations, not definitions, but that's kind of a nit)   |6: | ( eg: it generates   int bake_cake( int, short, char *);H | instead of      int bake_cake( int duration, short temperature, char *	 flavour);i |i       Try /PROTO=IDENTIFIERSL     That should cause the identifiers to be placed in the output declaration as well.  B | How do people manage all those declarations for an application ?G | 2- 20 .h files,  one for each .c file, which contains definitions fory routines | in that module ?  )      I believe this is standard practice.  |*C | 3- include in each module the definitions needed for that module.s  F     Sort of....In each module that needs a declaration(s), include theH     .h file(s) (from #2) that would contain the declaration(s) you need.       Ed Vogel     Compaq C Engineering.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:58:11 -0500d0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: Managing C routine prototypes/ Message-ID: <3DDAB3F2.AE2EE29A@vl.videotron.ca>e   Ed Vogel wrote:e >     Try /PROTO=IDENTIFIERSN >     That should cause the identifiers to be placed in the output declaration
 > as well.  L Ahhh ! much better ! thanks. /PROTO isn't included on HELP CC (on vax), so I8 have to depend on kind folks like you for those jewels !  E > | 3- include in each module the definitions needed for that module.c > H >     Sort of....In each module that needs a declaration(s), include theJ >     .h file(s) (from #2) that would contain the declaration(s) you need.  M It would have been nice to have some "automated" way of pulling the necessarycG includes. But I guess this would be way outside the language standards..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:15:53 -0600 7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> * Subject: Re: Managing C routine prototypesG Message-ID: <craigberry-B17BCE.19155319112002@news.directvinternet.com>n  / In article <3DDAB3F2.AE2EE29A@vl.videotron.ca>,c2  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   > Ed Vogel wrote:  > >     Try /PROTO=IDENTIFIERSP > >     That should cause the identifiers to be placed in the output declaration > > as well. > N > Ahhh ! much better ! thanks. /PROTO isn't included on HELP CC (on vax), so I: > have to depend on kind folks like you for those jewels !  E If you have any interest in being self sufficient you might consider o reading the documentation:  ; <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/index_vax.html>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:33:59 +0100a2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)* Subject: Re: Managing C routine prototypes; Message-ID: <3dda7607.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>m  1 JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca) wrote:eG > OK, you're working on an C language application that is split up into1G > say 20 modules each defining 5 routines, for a total of 100 routines.j >:I > With DEC-C's strong syntax checking, one must include prototypes of allBH > routines that are used in a module, otherwise the compiler complains.  ... B > How do people manage all those declarations for an application ? >lK > 1- one .h file that is manually maintained which contains all 100 routinee > definitions for the app.  ? Definitely not - all .c files #include'ing the .h file will geto= re-compiled if one declaration changes. At least under MM[SK]s (which is what I mostly use).   G > 2- 20 .h files,  one for each .c file, which contains definitions forg > routines in that module ?l  F Yes. And #include that .h in the .c file itself to get a free checking* of the prototypes against the definitions.  D > 3- include in each module the definitions needed for that module.   * IMHO, that'd be completely unmaintainable.  ) > are there other ways of handling this ?p > I > It would be really nice it it could be automated in some way. (eg: wheniJ > you compile a module, some library containing the prototypes is updated,B > and when you compile a module, it loads that library to have all# > prototypes handy whenever needed.s  F There probably are quite a few *ix prototype generators out there that await porting to VMS ;-)   cu,n   Martin -- tG  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmero4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deH  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.den   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:07:44 GMTb: From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <John.Gemignani@youknow.where>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS- Message-ID: <3DDA6E20.5A7E288A@youknow.where>    JF Mezei wrote:l > Z > SYSPRV essentially gets you access to any/all files. So it is a very powerful privilege. > P > However, it is used for many other purposes. For instance, the MAIL$ routines,O > you need SYSPRV to change the "FROM" line of a message you are sending. And IeS > believe that TCPIP services , you need SYSPRV to create a socket on a known port.l > N > Shouldn't the VMS folks have kept SYSPRV solely for file accces, and made itM > such that another privilege would be required for non-file accesses such asl > the two examples above ? > P > I would feel much mroe comfortable with an application having a privilege suchL > as "TELECOM" which grants it what is needed to do without jeoperdizing theP > file system. Similarly, to create a DECNET object, an application needs SYSNAMI > which si also quite dangerous. (or are decnet object names stored in ana > obscure logical name table ?)i >  > Any comments ?    G It's not a "known" port, it's a "reserved" port.  These are ports below G 1024.  Hosts make the assumption that if a remote system's socket is on0H a reserved port that it is privileged, i.e. suser for Unix.  On VMS whatG constitutes a privileged user?  I think SYSPRV is appropriate as a useraH with a group [UIC] less than 8 (octal 10, I believe) implicitly has thisD privilege (similar to UID 0 for Unix suser), but on VMS you can also give this privilege away.a  A You mention "jeopardizing the file system".  Anyone can bind to ahH "known" port, just those with SYSPRV can take the ones below 1024.  An aH "known" port is only useful if it is known in two places: the client andC server.  So you can implement a known port anywhere in the unsignedyF 16-bit space (with the exception, of course, of zero).  This also doesG not prohibit you from connecting to a port less than 1024, just bindingoF to it.  If the server checks your port and wants you to be below 1024,. it is saying that it wants you to have SYSPRV.   -Johnh   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:44:11 -0800 (PST)e. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS? Message-ID: <20021120014411.2801.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>:  ; Forgive me my ignorance but why a DVD writer for OpenVMS ? C= To record information from the OS or any layered software ???F0 Please explain me a use of it .... production !  Regardse   FC aH --- Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote: > PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT > ==================== > 9 > DVDwrite for OpenMVS now supports DVD "Plus" R(W), too.i > F > As most of you know, there is a fight between two techniques how theJ > burning process of DVD should take places. There are two fractions, one + > favour DVD-R(W) and one DVD+R(W) burning.  > E > Because DVD-R(W) is an official standard I wrote DVDwrite for thesepC > DVD burners. Nevertheless there are some advantages of DVD+RW onei > cannot ignore. > M > Therefore DVDwrite Version 1.5 now supports as well DVD+R(W) as DVD-R(W) in2 > one program.H > The program recognizes the medium inserted and selects accordindly the > burning commands.0M > The "PLUS" part of the program has been tested with a Philips DVDRW228 withn > Firmware 1.29. l > K > I offer program for free for the first one, who tests my program with they > following DVD burner:g >   > Sony DRU500A or NEC ND-1100A.  > , > Both are able to burn PLUS and MINUS DVDs. > K > Please keep in mind that modern DVD-ROM drives read DVD+R(W) and DVD-R(W)  > without problems.  > * > For further information see my homepage: > ! > http://home.tiscali.de/dvdwritea > 	 > Regards 
 > Eberhard > O ===============================================================================  >  > Dr. Eberhard Heuser-HofmannS > Univ. Konstanz > Fakultaet fuer Chemied > Universitaets-Strasse 10 > D-78464 Konstanz	 > Germanyh0 > Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139, > email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de >  > O ===============================================================================s     =====l ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:47:14 -0800@$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>0 Subject: RE: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <01C28FF3.D7665CF0@sulfer.icius.com>  F The obvious one that comes to mind is backups and archiving. DVDs haveH quite a respectable storage capacity, up there in the gigs. I'm not sureD what today's top end is for writable ones, but I saw an article that mentioned 8gig pressed ones.   Shanea   -----Original Message-----5 From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]e( Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:44 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS    = Forgive me my ignorance but why a DVD writer for OpenVMS ?=20 = To record information from the OS or any layered software ??? 2 Please explain me a use of it .... production !=20 Regardsa   FC=20eH --- Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote: > PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=209 > DVDwrite for OpenMVS now supports DVD "Plus" R(W), too.- >=20F > As most of you know, there is a fight between two techniques how theG > burning process of DVD should take places. There are two fractions, =n one=20+ > favour DVD-R(W) and one DVD+R(W) burning.9 >=20E > Because DVD-R(W) is an official standard I wrote DVDwrite for theseiC > DVD burners. Nevertheless there are some advantages of DVD+RW one  > cannot ignore. >=20C > Therefore DVDwrite Version 1.5 now supports as well DVD+R(W) as =  DVD-R(W) in  > one program.H > The program recognizes the medium inserted and selects accordindly the > burning commands.wJ > The "PLUS" part of the program has been tested with a Philips DVDRW228 = with > Firmware 1.29.=20i >=20I > I offer program for free for the first one, who tests my program with =i thei > following DVD burner:. >=20" > Sony DRU500A or NEC ND-1100A.=20 >=20, > Both are able to burn PLUS and MINUS DVDs. >=20D > Please keep in mind that modern DVD-ROM drives read DVD+R(W) and = DVD-R(W) > without problems.=20 >=20* > For further information see my homepage: >=20! > http://home.tiscali.de/dvdwrite  >=20	 > Regardsm
 > Eberhard >oL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=B =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dw >=20 > Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmannd > Univ. Konstanz > Fakultaet fuer Chemie  > Universitaets-Strasse 10 > D-78464 Konstanz	 > Germanyo0 > Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139, > email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de >=20 >mL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=B =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DtL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D- F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilh fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D-  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:00:38 -0600c1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3DDAECC6.CBE5DC85@fsi.net>b   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > < > Forgive me my ignorance but why a DVD writer for OpenVMS ?? > To record information from the OS or any layered software ???h1 > Please explain me a use of it .... production !d   Some possible applications:A  D Long-term storage of high-volume (>700MB) production data, as may be required for legal reasons.h   Archival of medical imaging.    Archival of end-of-year reports.  	 Others...S   -- ] David J. Dachterav dba DJE Systems: http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:10:38 +0100II From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de> 0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <006301c29053$2e74ff60$0201a8c0@WS1>   Fabio,  J Your question is justified. You can view a DVD+-R(W) as a media that hold= so upto 7 CD-R(W).l  " Just look at the cdrecord homepageJ http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/priva= te/s
 cdrecord.htmle  ? "ESO, the owner of the world's largest supertelescope, now uses , cdrecord-ProDVD for CD-R and DVD-R creation.I See the VLT archive project for additional information on DVD-R usage fore scientific archives.J Starting in autumn 2000 for real work, ESO writes 50GB of data each day t= on DVD-R media.E This keeps a single DVD-R drive busy for more than 12 hours per day."h  J There is simply a difference between a DATA-DVD and a Video-DVD, though t= he burning processeF is the same. The amount of data goes up and you need a medium on a non magnetic basis to archiveH data.u   Does this answer your question?a   eberhard ----- Original Message -----0 From: "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>D To: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de>; <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>t* Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:44 AM0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS    < > Forgive me my ignorance but why a DVD writer for OpenVMS ?? > To record information from the OS or any layered software ???a1 > Please explain me a use of it .... production !n	 > Regardsp >c > FCJ > --- Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote= :n > > PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT@ > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >4; > > DVDwrite for OpenMVS now supports DVD "Plus" R(W), too.c > >:H > > As most of you know, there is a fight between two techniques how theJ > > burning process of DVD should take places. There are two fractions, o= ne- > > favour DVD-R(W) and one DVD+R(W) burning.o > > G > > Because DVD-R(W) is an official standard I wrote DVDwrite for these E > > DVD burners. Nevertheless there are some advantages of DVD+RW onet > > cannot ignore. > >cJ > > Therefore DVDwrite Version 1.5 now supports as well DVD+R(W) as DVD-R= (W)g in > > one program.J > > The program recognizes the medium inserted and selects accordindly th= e  > > burning commands.eJ > > The "PLUS" part of the program has been tested with a Philips DVDRW22= 8e with > > Firmware 1.29. > > I > > I offer program for free for the first one, who tests my program witht theN > > following DVD burner:h > >t! > > Sony DRU500A or NEC ND-1100A.. > >v. > > Both are able to burn PLUS and MINUS DVDs. > >sD > > Please keep in mind that modern DVD-ROM drives read DVD+R(W) and DVD-R(W) > > without problems.u > > , > > For further information see my homepage: > >n# > > http://home.tiscali.de/dvdwritee > >  > > Regards  > > Eberhard > >c >nL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Do	 =3D=3D=3D  > >e > > Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmannt > > Univ. Konstanz > > Fakultaet fuer Chemier > > Universitaets-Strasse 10 > > D-78464 Konstanz > > GermanyU2 > > Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139. > > email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de > >j > >a >nL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dp	 =3D=3D=3DD >  >n > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DnK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=a =3D=3D > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazila > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=f =3D=3D > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?4 > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:15:43 +0100 I From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de> 0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <007501c29053$e095e380$0201a8c0@WS1>   ----- Original Message -----& From: "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> * Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:47 AM0 Subject: RE: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS    H > The obvious one that comes to mind is backups and archiving. DVDs haveJ > quite a respectable storage capacity, up there in the gigs. I'm not sur= eoF > what today's top end is for writable ones, but I saw an article that > mentioned 8gig pressed ones.  @ The maximum is 4.3 GB for burnable DVDs. A Video-DVD usually hasD 9 GB (double layered). I'm sure the industry is able to produce 9 GBC burners but they don't sell them, because this is would destroy thei DVD-Video market.v   eberhard   >u > Shanet >f > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]n* > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:44 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-2 > Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS >8 > < > Forgive me my ignorance but why a DVD writer for OpenVMS ?? > To record information from the OS or any layered software ???81 > Please explain me a use of it .... production !o	 > Regardss >o > FCJ > --- Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote= :> > > PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT@ > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >S; > > DVDwrite for OpenMVS now supports DVD "Plus" R(W), too., > >iH > > As most of you know, there is a fight between two techniques how theJ > > burning process of DVD should take places. There are two fractions, o= ne- > > favour DVD-R(W) and one DVD+R(W) burning.f > >aG > > Because DVD-R(W) is an official standard I wrote DVDwrite for thesefE > > DVD burners. Nevertheless there are some advantages of DVD+RW one  > > cannot ignore. > >sJ > > Therefore DVDwrite Version 1.5 now supports as well DVD+R(W) as DVD-R= (W)a in > > one program.J > > The program recognizes the medium inserted and selects accordindly th= e  > > burning commands.kJ > > The "PLUS" part of the program has been tested with a Philips DVDRW22= 8  with > > Firmware 1.29. > >iI > > I offer program for free for the first one, who tests my program withu thes > > following DVD burner:  > >r! > > Sony DRU500A or NEC ND-1100A.  > >-. > > Both are able to burn PLUS and MINUS DVDs. > >3D > > Please keep in mind that modern DVD-ROM drives read DVD+R(W) and DVD-R(W) > > without problems.f > >S, > > For further information see my homepage: > >4# > > http://home.tiscali.de/dvdwritey > >m > > Regardsu > > Eberhard > >eK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=cL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dc > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Do > >h > > Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmanne > > Univ. Konstanz > > Fakultaet fuer Chemiea > > Universitaets-Strasse 10 > > D-78464 Konstanz > > Germanye2 > > Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139. > > email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de > >n > >iK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dl > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dy >  >i > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DeK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil- > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D >R4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?4 > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.como   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:39:09 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>  Subject: OT: Linux for Alpha/VAX@ Message-ID: <20021120013909.80574.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>  7 I got two gifts from an old company which I worked for:    An Alpha 2100 and VAX 4000 ! t  @ Is there a way to install Linux (Alpha) in these two machines ? = I know there is Linux for Alpha, but what do I need to changea? in the AS-2100 to run Linux ! The VAX: Is there a Linux or just  FreeBSD runs in it ?   Regardsa   FC     =====i ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazils fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.comJ   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:25:27 -0600j1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>b$ Subject: Re: OT: Linux for Alpha/VAX' Message-ID: <3DDAF297.523330B4@fsi.net>    Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 9 > I got two gifts from an old company which I worked for:  >  > An Alpha 2100 and VAX 4000 ! > A > Is there a way to install Linux (Alpha) in these two machines ?n? > I know there is Linux for Alpha, but what do I need to change  > in the AS-2100 to run Linux !t  G Should need no changes, but the format of the boot_osflags will change.a/ Check the doc.'s for the distro of your choice.a  % FreeBSD is available for Alpha, also.f  # > The VAX: Is there a Linux or justa > FreeBSD runs in it ?  D There was a second attempt at a VAXlinux project. It may have fallen1 into stagnation also, I think. Check SourceForge.S  F Some *BSD variants do run on VAX, but drivers tend to be a bit limited. for ethernet, disk controllers, graphics, etc.   -- y David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsv http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 13:54:53 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s5 Subject: Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread)m3 Message-ID: <rlWUF3tZQ6qw@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  _ In article <3DD572B1.417A007F@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:s > Debug point  9C > %RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type fors > operationy  ; >     if ((status = sys$parse(&dfab,0,0)) == RMS$_NORMAL) {m   [...]e  C >         while ((status = sys$search(&dfab,0,0)) == RMS$_NORMAL) {d [...]o! >     printf("Debug point  9\n");  >     if (status != RMS$_NMF) {/ >         exit(status);- >     }-  D    After printing out "Debug point  9\n", you passed the status fromF    either sys$parse or sys$search to exit().  exit() passes all valuesA    other than 0 back to DCL as the exit status of the image.  DCLo;    will look up and print the corresponding message unless:u%       a) the status is a success case15       b) the inhibit message bit is set in the statuskG       c) you've used the set message command to supppress all fields ofq       	 all messages  A    So the problem is that either sys$parse or sys$search returnedn    RMS$_DEV (decimal 99524).  G    So either you tried to parse for an non-existent or improper type of A    device, or you searched until you got to one.  If you had someoK    success cases first you may be searching via a faulty logical name list. 7    If not, then you probably hosed up the original FAB.c  H    Congratulations for actually checking the status and issuing a proper6    message.  You'ld be suprized how much code doesn't.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:14:28 -0500l. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>5 Subject: Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread)V. Message-ID: <3DDA8D94.5BE6BE96@pressenter.com>   Lyndon Bartels wrote:T  G I found another "wierdness."  As per another posting... I looked at theo$ strcpy, and changed it to strncpy.    # And everything works perfectly.... e  H I included the affected code.  In the first posting, I had misplaced the4 later status check.... It's right in the text below.  < I still don't know *why*.... but it works, and I'll take it.     Lyndon      9     if ((status = sys$parse(&dfab,0,0)) == RMS$_NORMAL) {D<         printf("\nFrom $PARSE %.*s\n", dnam.nam$b_esl, esa);           file_counter = 0;e  p;         /* status.                                       */a  A         while ((status = sys$search(&dfab,0,0)) == RMS$_NORMAL) {              file_counter++;t4             strncpy(outfilename,rsa,dnam.nam$b_rsl);/             outfilename[dnam.nam$b_rsl] = '\0';t  	         }a 	printf("Debug point 9.\n");9         if ((status != RMS$_NMF) && (status != RMS$_FNF))t             exit(status);      }s     printf("Done.\n");1     printf("Number of files: %i\n",file_counter);-  -  - -- -G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of mys	 employer.u    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:30:38 -0000,! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>n5 Subject: Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread)w/ Message-ID: <utlsue83a8s6c9@corp.supernews.com>i  / Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote: I : I found another "wierdness."  As per another posting... I looked at thet& : strcpy, and changed it to strncpy.    % : And everything works perfectly.... v  J : I included the affected code.  In the first posting, I had misplaced the6 : later status check.... It's right in the text below.  > : I still don't know *why*.... but it works, and I'll take it.  D If strncpy() works and strcpy() doesn't then the problem is probably/ a missing null terminator on the source string.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:34:23 -0000s! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>g5 Subject: Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread)o/ Message-ID: <utlt5fqugrss29@corp.supernews.com>m  / Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote:-C :>     dnam.nam$l_rsa = rsa;               /* Address of the rsa */e ...b' :>             strcpy(outfilename,rsa);t  $ rsa is not a null-terminated string.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:36:30 -0700 (MST)a" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>' Subject: Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1cF Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211191433390.1414-100000@athena.csdco.com>   Zane,I  G It's the file server task which is in trouble so the print server couldy work just fine.e  
 John Nebel  $ On 19 Nov 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote:  % > John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:A > > It looks like VMS 7.3-1 breaks the unsupported and heretoforea- > > indestructible Pathworks Mac file server.= > O > Any idea if VMS can still print to an Ethertalk printer using Pathworks Mac? oM > One of my VMS servers main jobs is a print server.  Stuff prints to the VMS 9 > box via Samba, and it prints the printer via Appletalk.: > L > > The NFS server does seem to work well with Mac OS X 10.2, however, there: > > are still a lot of OS 9x Macs which need to be served. > K > Shoot, my one system will probably remain at 8.5 as it does it's job just N > fine.  My G4/450 will probably stay at 9.1, as I have yet to see a reason to
 > upgrade. > 	 > 			Zanei >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:07:46 -0500n0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!/ Message-ID: <3DDAB631.BC64F355@vl.videotron.ca>    Bob Koehler wrote:I >    It sure as hell is not!  The BSOD is equivalent in VMS only to FATALs3 >    BUGCHECK _with_ the reboot switch set to HALT.     Y I disagree.  RWAST is to VMS what BSOD is to Microsoft: hated. Bad news. Need-for-reboot.f  K >    RWAST is a normal state processes go into and out of all the time, you 9 >    just don't notice until one stays there for a while.c  K BSOD is a normal state of windows too and it goes into it all the time. AndkN people get so used to it that they don't even notice it anymore. Heck, BSOD isJ just a normal, common alert dialog box on Windows that people get used to.N They just press <ALT-CTRL-DEL> to continue where they left off :-) And it alsoL makes people buy faster machines because it takes a lot of time to exit that, dialog box and return where you left off :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:37:00 -0500e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!4 Message-ID: <1021119202727.400C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  $ On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, JF Mezei wrote:   > Bob Koehler wrote:K > >    It sure as hell is not!  The BSOD is equivalent in VMS only to FATALa5 > >    BUGCHECK _with_ the reboot switch set to HALT.  >  > [ > I disagree.  RWAST is to VMS what BSOD is to Microsoft: hated. Bad news. Need-for-reboot.c  H NO!!  Only if something gets stuck in RWAST do you even need to considerE rebooting.  Almost always this is due to the process waiting for some E external event that hasn't happened yet.  Many times, you can unstickkH the process without rebooting.  (Almost always, the process will unstick" itself without you ever noticing!)  C The cases where something deadlocks in RWAST (meaning it is waitingiA for an event that can not happen), are either bugs in the programm> or a device driver, or are a result of hardware failure.  TheyD should be investigated by forcing a crash dump and sending it to HP.   > M > >    RWAST is a normal state processes go into and out of all the time, you1; > >    just don't notice until one stays there for a while.  > M > BSOD is a normal state of windows too and it goes into it all the time. And=P > people get so used to it that they don't even notice it anymore. Heck, BSOD isL > just a normal, common alert dialog box on Windows that people get used to.P > They just press <ALT-CTRL-DEL> to continue where they left off :-) And it alsoN > makes people buy faster machines because it takes a lot of time to exit that. > dialog box and return where you left off :-)   Bob is absolutely correct.  ? The reason I'm making a fuss about this is I don't want someone0< searching Google when something is in RWAST and thinking the; situation is hopeless and they need to hit the halt button,b8 when all they really need to do is correct some external@ situation, such as put a tape drive back online, or wait for theA subprocess that is using all the resources of the RWAST'ed parentfB process to complete and return them.  (And maybe bump the accounts# quotas so it doesn't happen again.)b  @ Unlike BSOD, when something is stuck in RWAST, it is possible to, figure out why and to correct the situation.     -- e John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:16:58 -0500P0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!/ Message-ID: <3DDA2BB8.10D20A36@vl.videotron.ca>i   Chris Sharman wrote:D > I'm mystified, though, by it reporting both RWAST and 98 ast quotaN > remaining. Are there other causes of RWAST, other than ast quota exhausted ?  N Yes. RWAST is VMS's equivalent to the microsoft Blue Screen of Death. It won'tU kill other processes, but requires a reboot to be really sure *OR* a lot of patience.a  M You can use google to search this newsgroup for RWAST and you'll find plenty.    Here is one example of RWAST:n  L You have a process that does an IO on a TK50 which takes 1 hour to complete.N The QIO has been sent off to the driver and the driver waits for the device toJ confirm it has been done, and when it is complete, it will write data in aK certain memory location, and set the status in another and potentially calld) one of your process' routine in AST mode.-  F But you are not so patient, and decide to do a STOP/ID on the process.  H Problem is that if/when the device finally completes the IO request, theN driver will try to write the results and call a routine which reside in memoryL which no longer contains your process and would corrupt the system. So it isI better to "freeze" your process in RWAST mode so that when/if the request.L completes, it can complete in memory that it is still "there".  and preserve+ integrity of other processes in the system.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:17:17 -0000.* From: "Craig Cooke" <ccooke@beta.dabs.com>, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!% Message-ID: <3dda25e5$1@194.70.94.92>n  F "Alan Adams" <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message9 news:b0bcd1974b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk...d5 > In message <ard6p7$eeo$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>-? >           "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:e >"> > > I had a process in an RWAST state (according to anal/sys).I > > It's AST limit (PHD) was 100 (correct), and the AST count field (PCB)nB > > contained 98 (that's how many remaining available, I believe). > >e > > All this data from SDA.oJ > > I couldn't find any way to fix/delete the process, so I had to reboot.K > > The new force_process_dump didn't work - it would be nice if that could  work > > regardless of astquota.! > >kF > > I'm mystified, though, by it reporting both RWAST and 98 ast quotaD > > remaining. Are there other causes of RWAST, other than ast quota exhausted ?fF > > As far as I could see, none of the standard quotas were exhausted. >nK > My understanding (possibly wrong) is that RWAST was waiting for an AST to-L > complete, not waiting for enough quota to issue one. For this reason, such anH > process is undeletable, and unless the AST does eventually complete, a > reboot is required.1 >d > >aL > > The application is an Appletalk listener, starting up to 40 subprocesses toL > > serve individual clients over Appletalk. There's a suspicion that it mayK > > have reached its 40 process limit, so I've increased that to 45. Here'sn itst > > quotas today:s > >lI > >            AST     BIO     Byt     DIO     Enq     Fil     Page    TQ  > > PrccF > > Limit   100     100     707296  100     6750    1800    360000  34 45F > > Avail   98      98      400032  100     2633    904     176608  34 10J > > WSsz = 8144 quo = 16288 ext = 2000000 pk = 2608 auth = 16288 authext = > > 2000000tK > > Login: 18-NOV-2002 22:10:54.65; CPU time 0.03; VirtPeak = 168224; WSdefM =K > > 8144 > >h > > VMS 7.3. > >  > >- >  > -- > Alan Adams( > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/l      J I believe you can identify the resource that the process is waiting for by$ doing (something like) the following  
 $ ANAL/SYS SDA > SHOW SUMMl4 Identify the index of the process in the RWAST state  6 SDA > SET PROC/INDEX='index of process in RWAST state' SDA > SHOW PROC/CHAN  A The BUSY channel is the resource that the process is waiting for.    Regards    Craig Cooke    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:13:29 GMTu From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1>l, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!1 Message-ID: <ZNqC9.7$RB1.236655@news.cpqcorp.net>o  = "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in messagen. news:ard6p7$eeo$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...< > I had a process in an RWAST state (according to anal/sys).G > It's AST limit (PHD) was 100 (correct), and the AST count field (PCB)/@ > contained 98 (that's how many remaining available, I believe). >: > All this data from SDA. H > I couldn't find any way to fix/delete the process, so I had to reboot.I > The new force_process_dump didn't work - it would be nice if that coulds work > regardless of astquota.  >DD > I'm mystified, though, by it reporting both RWAST and 98 ast quotaL > remaining. Are there other causes of RWAST, other than ast quota exhausted ?  Helloe   Many causes.I A friend of mine, when working at Dec Education, had a program that put a 8 process in Rwast, until the Sysgen parameter Userd1 =1 !   Checke) http://www.yrl.co.uk/~phil/vms/rwast.html - for a good information about the Rwast state.u   RegardsM   Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:17:40 GMTr From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1>-, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!1 Message-ID: <URqC9.8$QE1.302225@news.cpqcorp.net>   = "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in messaget. news:ard6p7$eeo$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...< > I had a process in an RWAST state (according to anal/sys).G > It's AST limit (PHD) was 100 (correct), and the AST count field (PCB)b@ > contained 98 (that's how many remaining available, I believe). >  > All this data from SDA."H > I couldn't find any way to fix/delete the process, so I had to reboot.I > The new force_process_dump didn't work - it would be nice if that couldr work > regardless of astquota.e >oD > I'm mystified, though, by it reporting both RWAST and 98 ast quotaL > remaining. Are there other causes of RWAST, other than ast quota exhausted ?pD > As far as I could see, none of the standard quotas were exhausted. try using mwait 8 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/mwait/   grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:23:39 GMTk% From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com>o, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!2 Message-ID: <vXqC9.10$RB1.236655@news.cpqcorp.net>  3 other sources on ASK_COMPAQ using the keyword RWASTt  0 http://www.compaq.fr/support/ask/askvms/home.asp      A OpenVMS] How To Troubleshoot A Process In RWAST On VAX or Alpha :   L http://www.compaq.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/0094a663-57dab060-1c	 0069.htmlt      . How To Troubleshoot A Process in RWAST State :  D http://www.compaq.com/support/askkcs/hpcg/253_0_7541379_2866187.html     hthd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:32:14 -0500e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!/ Message-ID: <3DDB023B.24F14153@vl.videotron.ca>    John Santos wrote:B > Unlike BSOD, when something is stuck in RWAST, it is possible to. > figure out why and to correct the situation.  N Possible, in certain cases, yes. But not always.  Sometimes you don't have theL luxury of time to let a TK50 take 24 hours to complete an IO before RWAST is satisfied and goes away. y  > Come to think of it, it would be really nice is STOP/ID would:  M %STOP-W-RWAST_ALERT,  Stopping this process will cause it to go RWAST, do youR really want to do this? [Y,N]   M This way, you would know that you're better investigating the source of RWAST L while the process is still "alive" because once in a comatose state, not all3 commands work (such as show/pro/cont for instance).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:14:24 -0500t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: SHOW SYSTEM bug VAX-VMS 7.2/ Message-ID: <3DDAB7BE.C0AFC1CF@vl.videotron.ca>R   VAX-VMS 7.2:  6 HELP SHOW SYSTEM documents a /MULTITHREADED qualifier.  L But when I try it, it tells me that /MULTITHREADED is not a valid qualifier.  N This is definitely NOT a documentation bug, since that qualifier works well onL Alpha. So if the documentation is right then it MUST be the software that is wrong :-) :-) :-) :-)   D VMS is VMS is VMS, right ? So customers shoudln't be seing different functionality on VAX, right ?r  L So, on top of lack of PPP support, lack of ODS2 etc etc we must now add lack of SHOW SYSTEM :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:20:49 -0600n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n( Subject: Re: SHOW SYSTEM bug VAX-VMS 7.2' Message-ID: <3DDAF181.B67BC520@fsi.net>u   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > VAX-VMS 7.2: > 8 > HELP SHOW SYSTEM documents a /MULTITHREADED qualifier. > N > But when I try it, it tells me that /MULTITHREADED is not a valid qualifier. > P > This is definitely NOT a documentation bug, since that qualifier works well onN > Alpha. So if the documentation is right then it MUST be the software that is > wrong :-) :-) :-) :-)p > F > VMS is VMS is VMS, right ? So customers shoudln't be seing different > functionality on VAX, right ?1  D Um, well, sort of - there are some other things that are Alpha only,1 though I don't have a list handy at the moment...F  N > So, on top of lack of PPP support, lack of ODS2 etc etc we must now add lack > of SHOW SYSTEM :-)  . ...or at least some features of SHOW SYSTEM...   -- s David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:06:04 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>M- Subject: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasvH Message-ID: <gByC9.114402$oRV.8679@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ; http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/netsys/article.php/1500981a  L "In a way, HP needs Oracle now more than ever since it has abandoned much ofF its middleware lineup. Fiorina said HP's strategy is to support legacyL equipment through UNIX, while looking at other OS platforms like Windows and Linux."D   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:18:56 -0600W1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hass' Message-ID: <3DDAF110.76F6971D@fsi.net>o   John Smith wrote:0 > = > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/netsys/article.php/1500981- > N > "In a way, HP needs Oracle now more than ever since it has abandoned much ofH > its middleware lineup. Fiorina said HP's strategy is to support legacyN > equipment through UNIX, while looking at other OS platforms like Windows and	 > Linux.".  H What I find humorous is Windows is considered non-legacy. I got my first: Windows system (V3.0) in 1991. That makes it 11 years old.  C Also humorous is that Linux is considered non-legacy, while UN*X is ? considered legacy. The story behind Linux, if I'm not too badlymH mistaken, is that Finnish college student Linus Torvalds decided to hackE up a UN*X-like kernel for his own use on his '386 PC, then posted thelE results on some BBSes more or less local to him, where upon it spread(E around the world in a matter of months (Hhmmm... sounds like a virus,pH almost, eh?). I guess we're supposed to believe that UN*X is legacy, but a UN*X-emulator is not.D   Bogus, dude!   -- D David J. Dachtera3 dba DJE Systems3 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/3   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 20:23:03 -0800( From: baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has-; Message-ID: <c5cf6e8.0211192023.aa0ce8c@posting.google.com>-  s "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<gByC9.114402$oRV.8679@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...3= > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/netsys/article.php/1500981D > N > "In a way, HP needs Oracle now more than ever since it has abandoned much ofH > its middleware lineup. Fiorina said HP's strategy is to support legacyN > equipment through UNIX, while looking at other OS platforms like Windows and	 > Linux."=  I Yeah, legacy 64-bit HPUX will be replaced with futuristic 32-bit Windoze.B   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:18:26 -0500D% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>-3 Subject: Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated_/ Message-ID: <utkli3ivrlu44e@news.supernews.com>p  1 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message-* news:01C28F04.1BB84EE0@sulfer.icius.com...J > http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~62604,	 > 00.html: >: > (Apologies for the wrap) >eD > So MS are going to try and do a multi-platform OS again. (Ha ha haE > bonk*) I wonder how long before they pick one and stick to it? IMHOo. > it'll be hammer, if AMD survive long enough. >wG > If you step back, it's kind of funny. 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