1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 642       Contents: ACME agent interface Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: backup/list save_sets + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + RE: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + RE: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates   Re: Carly reinvents HP yet again  Re: Carly reinvents HP yet again Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi  Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi  RE: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi-P Enterprise Ressource Planning systems (like SAP, PeopleSoft, BaaN, ...) and proj% Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure  Gnat Ada for VMS- How to delete a command from the DCL-Tables ? 1 Re: How to delete a command from the DCL-Tables ? B Re: Init/que/autostart_on=(node1::,node2::,node3::) system_Utility4 Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 RE: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha) Java runtime error trying to access a URL   Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!$ Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!$ Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!! Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  RE: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  RE: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS , Old Capellas Wine in New Worldcom Bottles...0 Re: Old Capellas Wine in New Worldcom Bottles...0 Re: Old Capellas Wine in New Worldcom Bottles...! poor Gigabit Ethernet performance % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance  RSYNC for OpenVMS ? # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !! # Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!  Setting HBA QueueDepth- Special characters. Postscript. fonts for GKS 1 Re: Special characters. Postscript. fonts for GKS   TCPIP Services and Cluster Alias( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( RE: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has" We need your XP1000 500Mhz Systems/ What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter 3 Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter 3 Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter & Where can I find patches to my system?* Re: Where can I find patches to my system?* Re: Where can I find patches to my system?* Re: Where can I find patches to my system?* Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated2 Would HP ever do something like this for VMS? Nah!P [SOLVED] [ISH] Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2 7.27  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 16:47:42 +0100- From: tiz@ludens.elte.hu (Toth Istvan Zoltan)  Subject: ACME agent interface ! Message-ID: <9qYofmaNc1yH@ludens>      Hi!   H   We should to write an own ACME agent but in documentation (ProgrammingI   Concepts) ive read that this interface isn't available for public yet.      Do you know anything about it?     Bye, tiz     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:53:26 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail ' Message-ID: <3DDB4D86.46B0C9A3@aaa.com>   Q > > Lets assume that such a "plugin" would allow one to attach files when sending  > > a VMSmail message. > >   ( It depends on what you meen by "attach".  < A plain text file with <80 char lines can just be "attached" as-is.  = Any binary file (or a text file with lines > 80 char) must be @ coded in a manner that lets mail servers pass it through without> truncating or wrapping. One such tool that works just fine, is# MFTU (Mail File Transfer Utilitu) :    $ MFTU
 MFTU> help   MFTU  *     The Mail File Transfer Utility Program  D       It encodes VAX/VMS files to a text file that can be handled by)       mailers, and decodes encoded files. 2       It Huffman packs files for archive purposes,       and unpacks packed files.     #   Additional information available:   5   ENCODE     DECODE     PACK       UNPACK     Example    MFTU Subtopic? ENCODE    MFTU     ENCODE  +       Will encode the files to a text file. &         Format: ENCODE file-spec[,...]    %     Additional information available:   6     Parameter  /LOG       /DELERR    /OUTPUT=file-spec   MFTU ENCODE Subtopic?     + MFTU works OK if both ends are VMS systems.     B Now, to communicate with a PC environment, the mail must of course? have a format that is accepted by the mail tools used on PC's,  & most often Microsoft Exchange/Outlook.  4 I'v found the tools MPACK/MUNPACK to work very well.   To send a file :   $ mpack  An input file must be specified  mpack version 1.5 D usage: mpack [-s subj] [-d file] [-m maxsize] [-c content-type] file
 address...G        mpack [-s subj] [-d file] [-m maxsize] [-c content-type] -o file  fileB        mpack [-s subj] [-d file] [-m maxsize] [-c content-type] -n groups file   ' $ mpack -s "Subject" -o trx.tmp trx.zip ; $ mail trx.tmp "nbl%""jan-erik.soderholm@pac.ericsson.se"""   B To use MUNPACK, just save the incomming mail on a tmp file and run MUNPACK  on it.    E UUENCODE will also work OK, but it will not give you MIME headers, if  that2 is importent. Outlook will decode the mail anyway.   Hope this helps.   PS. B The MIME.EXE tool is, as delivered in VMS 7.2 at least, a piece of junk...  DS.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 14:09:17 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: backup/list save_sets3 Message-ID: <ezkF2flyOl8b@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3DDA67FA.9090806@ecubics.com>, emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com> writes:  > UPS, sorry my fault.% > Never write mails before coffee ;-)  > H > This are volume sets, (complete volume backups) so DIR doesn't work :( > (made with backup/image ...)  I    Yes it does.  What are you doing, exactly, and what error did you get?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 12:50:58 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail3 Message-ID: <spcP$xMOSuxg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <utkt3ro7a02809@corp.supernews.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes:  > Greetings! > @ > Somewhere in the dim, dark past I remember being able to send L > BASE64-encoded files using VMSMail.  For the life of me, however, I can't M > drag the procedure out of my memory banks (you don't suppose I'm aging, do  I > you?).  So: how does one send, say, a binary file using VMSMail (other  # > than, say, UUENCODEing it first)?  > L > Also, is it possible to send files using VMSMail with MIME surrounds such K > that other mail programs on the Internet will see the file(s) being sent   > as attachments?   < One approach is the semi-supported $ MAIL /FOREIGN interface  B $ MAIL /FOREIGN filename SMTP%"internet@address" /SUBJECT=whatever  < That will let you send a one-part message BASE64 encoded and: typically with a CONTENT-TYPE header chock full of baroque FDL syntax.   > As long as the receiving mail package is willing to ignore the3 bulk of the Content-Type header, you're good to go.     B Another approach was, at one time, to embed a Mime-Version: header into the Subject: line.   ( Make the message subject something like:  F Subject: Make More Money<CR><LF>Mime-Version:1.0<CR><LF>Content-Type: 1 Multipart/Mixed, Boundary="-=-Girl Pictures Free"   @ And then in the message body you insert the appropriate boundary$ tags and headers for each body part.    ; Another approach along those lines is to use a foreign mail ; protocol handler just like SMTP% except that the blank line 8 that separates the RFC 822 headers from the message body; is not emitted.  So the message body you supply can include 6 RFC 822 headers, a blank line and then the bulk of the9 message body, complete with any appropriate MIME boundary  tags and body part headers.     < A real low tech approach is to simply UUENCODE an attachment= and include it in the message body.  I _think_ that the state 9 of the art on mail clients is to treat text starting with 9 "begin <umask> filename" as part of an embedded UUENCODEd  attachment.     = If you have access to the outbound mail queue on your system, ; for instance in the Multinet package, you can simply create B a properly formatted message file and $ PRINT /QUEUE=MULTINET_SMTP1 (or $ SUBMIT /QUEUE=MULTINET_SMTP if you prefer).     ; And you can always write your own application to connect to < port 25 on your VMS machine (or on a downstream smart relay)1 and submit a properly formatted message via SMTP.     = Or you could use rsh to pop the message file across to a Unix , box and invoke mail or sendmail or whatever.     Or you could use ALL-IN-1.    $ That's all I can think of right now.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 14:10:21 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail3 Message-ID: <9gwVLtvaIqBj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <utkt3ro7a02809@corp.supernews.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes:  > Greetings! > @ > Somewhere in the dim, dark past I remember being able to send L > BASE64-encoded files using VMSMail.  For the life of me, however, I can't M > drag the procedure out of my memory banks (you don't suppose I'm aging, do  I > you?).  So: how does one send, say, a binary file using VMSMail (other  # > than, say, UUENCODEing it first)?   G    There was a base64 encoder/decoder on a web site somewhere I used to     use.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:10:59 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail; Message-ID: <01KP359UDG429ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F > There was a base64 encoder/decoder on a web site somewhere I used to > use.    I Not sure where I got these.  Here they are.  Yes, I downloaded them from  C somewhere in the WWW which resulted in extra <CR>.  Removing these  @ efficiently is left as an exercise for the students of TECO 101.  H ---------------8<-------------------------------------------------------   #include <stdlib.h>  #include <stdio.h> #include <ctype.h>   int decode_b64char( int ch ) {      int		sextet;  $     if( ('A' <= ch) && (ch <= 'Z') ) 	sextet = ch - 'A'; )     else if( ('a' <= ch) && (ch <= 'z') )  	sextet = (ch - 'a') + 26;)     else if( ('0' <= ch) && (ch <= '9') )  	sextet = (ch - '0') + 52;     else if( ch == '+' )
 	sextet = 62;      else if( ch == '/' )
 	sextet = 63; 
     else {D 	fprintf( stderr, (isprint(ch) ? "Illegal base64 character '%c'\n" :* 					"Illegal base64 character 0x%02x\n"), 		 ch ); 	exit( EXIT_FAILURE );     }        return( sextet );  }      main( int argc, char *argv[] ) {      FILE	*fin;     FILE	*fout;      int		flushing = 0;     int		temp = 0;     int		bits = 0;     int		ch;       if( argc < 2 ) {< 	fprintf( stderr, "Usage: b64decode <infile> [outfile]\n" ); 	exit( EXIT_SUCCESS );     }         fin = fopen( argv[1], "r" );     if( fin == NULL ) {  	perror( "openin" ); 	exit( EXIT_FAILURE );     }        if( argc < 3 ) 	fout = stdout; 
     else { 	fout = fopen( argv[2], "wb" );  	if( fout == NULL ) {  	    perror( "openout" );  	    fclose( fin );  	    exit( EXIT_FAILURE ); 	}     }   )     while( (ch = fgetc( fin )) != EOF ) {  	if( !isspace(ch) ) {  	    if( flushing ) {  		if( ch != '=' ) { > 		    fprintf( stderr, "Illegal character in EOF padding\n" ); 		    exit( EXIT_FAILURE );  		}  	    } 	    else {  		if( ch == '=' )  		    flushing = 1;  		else { 		    temp <<= 6; # 		    temp |= decode_b64char( ch );  		    bits += 6; 		    if( bits >= 8 ) { 
 			bits -= 8; * 			fputc( (0xff & (temp >> bits)), fout ); 		    }  		}  	    } 	}     }        fclose( fout );      fclose( fin ); }     H ---------------8<-------------------------------------------------------     #include <stdlib.h>  #include <stdio.h>   #define	MAXLINELEN	76    static const char	b64chars[] =  G     "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/"; H /*   0000000000000000111111111111111122222222222222223333333333333333	*/H /*   0123456789ABCDEF0123456789ABCDEF0123456789ABCDEF0123456789ABCDEF	*/   main( int argc, char *argv[] ) {      FILE	*fin;     FILE	*fout;      int		octet;      int		temp = 0;     int		bits = 0;     int		linelen = 0;        if( argc < 2 ) {< 	fprintf( stderr, "Usage: b64encode <infile> [outfile]\n" ); 	exit( EXIT_SUCCESS );     }   !     fin = fopen( argv[1], "rb" );      if( fin == NULL ) {  	perror( "openin" ); 	exit( EXIT_FAILURE );     }        if( argc < 3 ) 	fout = stdout; 
     else { 	fout = fopen( argv[2], "w" ); 	if( fout == NULL ) {  	    perror( "openout" );  	    fclose( fin );  	    exit( EXIT_FAILURE ); 	}     }   ,     while( (octet = fgetc( fin )) != EOF ) { 	temp <<= 8; 	temp |= 0xff & octet; 	bits += 8;  	while( bits >= 6 ) {  	    bits -= 6; 6 	    fputc( b64chars[ 0x3f & (temp >> bits) ], fout );$ 	    if( ++linelen >= MAXLINELEN ) { 		fputc( '\n', fout ); 		linelen = 0; 	    } 	}     }      if( bits > 0 ) { 	temp <<= 6 - bits; ( 	fputc( b64chars[ 0x3f & temp ], fout ); 	if( bits == 4 ) 	    fputc( '=', fout ); 	else if( bits == 2 ) {  	    fputc( '=', fout ); 	    fputc( '=', fout ); 	} 	fputc( '\n', fout );      }        fclose( fout );      fclose( fin );     exit( EXIT_SUCCESS );  }    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:05:56 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail' Message-ID: <3DDB5074.70CFEFC8@aaa.com>   8 See my answer on the "Attaching files on VMSmail" topic. This isn't black magic.   = Just install a few tools and you have full MIME functionality @ to send and receive attachents in the form PC users are used to.   To send a binary file :   ' $ mpack -s "Subject" -o trx.tmp trx.zip ) $ mail trx.tmp "nbl%""some-user@domain"""   6 NBL ("No Blank Line") is needed since SMTP% will enter4 an extra blank line that violates the MIME standard.8 My URL to the download page for NBL don't work any more,+ (http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/nbl/).     To receive an attachment :  = [first save the mail in a file, either by hand or automaticly =  by using a tool like DELIVER, the mail.tmp file below is the   actual mail as-received]    $ munpack mail.tmp( T04021113.zip (application/octet-stream)   $ unzip -v T04021113.zip- Archive:  SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]T04021113.ZIP;1 >  Length   Method    Size  Ratio   Date   Time   CRC-32    Name> --------  ------  ------- -----   ----   ----   ------    ----F   597056  Defl:X    21440  96%  11-13-02 07:52  35fb277a  TR021113.T04A --------          -------  ---                            ------- @   597056            21440  96%                            1 file       Best Regards Jan-Erik Sderholm       Mike Freeman wrote:  >  > Greetings! > ? > Somewhere in the dim, dark past I remember being able to send K > BASE64-encoded files using VMSMail.  For the life of me, however, I can't L > drag the procedure out of my memory banks (you don't suppose I'm aging, doH > you?).  So: how does one send, say, a binary file using VMSMail (other# > than, say, UUENCODEing it first)?  > K > Also, is it possible to send files using VMSMail with MIME surrounds such J > that other mail programs on the Internet will see the file(s) being sent > as attachments?  >  > We're using UCX, BTW.  >  > T I A! >  > -- > Mike Freeman < K 7 U I J >J > "All men tend to become that which they oppose." - Laurence van der Post   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 06:05:48 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail3 Message-ID: <+Bj7D3+RA2YV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <9gwVLtvaIqBj@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: [ > In article <utkt3ro7a02809@corp.supernews.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: 
 >> Greetings!  >>  A >> Somewhere in the dim, dark past I remember being able to send  M >> BASE64-encoded files using VMSMail.  For the life of me, however, I can't  N >> drag the procedure out of my memory banks (you don't suppose I'm aging, do J >> you?).  So: how does one send, say, a binary file using VMSMail (other $ >> than, say, UUENCODEing it first)? > I >    There was a base64 encoder/decoder on a web site somewhere I used to 	 >    use.   D Yeah.  I used one called "mmencode" which was part of the "metamail"8 package initially written by Nathaniel S. Borenstein and8 distributed at one time via ftp on thumper.bellcore.com.  = The problem with just using BASE64 is that if you don't craft ? some RFC 822 headers to indicate that BASE64 is in use, all the A recipient sees is a bunch of encoded gibberish.  If the recipient = has his own off-line decoder (mmencode -u does a decode) then = you're all set.  But if the recipient is a typical dumb user, 4 you need to get a little fancier on the sending end.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:33:02 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail' Message-ID: <3DDB8F0E.FA75EA1E@aaa.com>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  > ? > The problem with just using BASE64 is that if you don't craft A > some RFC 822 headers to indicate that BASE64 is in use, all the 1 > recipient sees is a bunch of encoded gibberish.   > That's what MPACK/MUNPACK does for you, add all RFC headers to8 properly markup the plaintext part and any attachements.    	 Example : < [After just doing '$ MPACK -s "Subject" -o TRX.TMP TRX.ZIP']& [I'v only added the '--' on each line]  6 -- Message-ID: <1225909.1037771362@npbcg1.ericsson.se> -- Mime-Version: 1.0 -- Subject: Subject . -- Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-" --< -- This is a MIME encoded message.  Decode it with "munpack"B -- or any other MIME reading software.  Mpack/munpack is available5 -- via anonymous FTP in ftp.andrew.cmu.edu:pub/mpack/  -- ---9 -- Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="trx.zip" $ -- Content-Transfer-Encoding: base642 -- Content-Disposition: inline; filename="trx.zip"( -- Content-MD5: swLo5Y7W4zIH403I9Mr2KA== --   --H UEsDBBQAAAAIADNsKS0ioUVoN0cAABj4AgAHAAAAdHJ4Lm91dJyd286rqhaA71ey3mE9giCg --H XHqs0Wqqtdb2/R9kD1Dn3U7m12bmv5pfEBgnBjD4FDZNTKHrdv3vv/+mpZe/n2ma1H//7/fv --H P5/dqiSxyhv/94y0o3Vu0lQhRr7Nfoc7ZdLBzX/PHP3xxrH+qNxpm2vEhP6sNRjrsz8LHwP9 -- ...# -- [snipped rest of Base64 code...]   & This mail opens just OK in MS Outlook.   > If the recipient? > has his own off-line decoder (mmencode -u does a decode) then ? > you're all set.  But if the recipient is a typical dumb user, 6 > you need to get a little fancier on the sending end. >   " You mean a user with a dumb tool ?$ It doesn't have to be a dumb user...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 07:35:42 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail3 Message-ID: <dxBjgDaZv3eO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3DDB8F0E.FA75EA1E@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: ! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  >>  @ >> The problem with just using BASE64 is that if you don't craftB >> some RFC 822 headers to indicate that BASE64 is in use, all the2 >> recipient sees is a bunch of encoded gibberish. > @ > That's what MPACK/MUNPACK does for you, add all RFC headers to: > properly markup the plaintext part and any attachements.  B Yes.  Providing, of course, that you mail the resulting text using? the NBL% transport or otherwise arrange for the message headers 6 to be treated as message headers and not message body.  > If you don't provide the headers or if you don't manage to get: them treates as headers, your recipient will be treated to? unreadable garbage regardless of how good their mail client is.   $ > You mean a user with a dumb tool ?& > It doesn't have to be a dumb user...  9 I mean a dumb user.  At least 90% of all users seem to be B are unable to deal with a BASE64 encoded data if their mail clientE has not automatically decoded it for them.  In my user community, I'd 7 estimate that about half would be unable to recognize a ; BASE64 encoded attachment, even if it came accompanied with 7 explanatory text identifying it as a BASE64 attachment.   > It's like they have a little blind spot.  "It looks like stuff? that I can't understand and its right next to stuff that I sure - can't understand so I won't even look at it".    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:38:48 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 4 Subject: RE: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEMGGBAA.tom@kednos.com>   , I didn't find a VMS version at the cmu site.   >-----Original Message----- . >From: Jan-Erik Sderholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com]+ >Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:33 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 >Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail  >  >   >briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: >>@ >> The problem with just using BASE64 is that if you don't craftB >> some RFC 822 headers to indicate that BASE64 is in use, all the2 >> recipient sees is a bunch of encoded gibberish. > ? >That's what MPACK/MUNPACK does for you, add all RFC headers to 9 >properly markup the plaintext part and any attachements.  >  > 
 >Example := >[After just doing '$ MPACK -s "Subject" -o TRX.TMP TRX.ZIP'] ' >[I'v only added the '--' on each line]  > 7 >-- Message-ID: <1225909.1037771362@npbcg1.ericsson.se>  >-- Mime-Version: 1.0  >-- Subject: Subject/ >-- Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-"  >-- = >-- This is a MIME encoded message.  Decode it with "munpack" C >-- or any other MIME reading software.  Mpack/munpack is available 6 >-- via anonymous FTP in ftp.andrew.cmu.edu:pub/mpack/ >-- --- : >-- Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="trx.zip"% >-- Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 3 >-- Content-Disposition: inline; filename="trx.zip" ) >-- Content-MD5: swLo5Y7W4zIH403I9Mr2KA==  >--  >-- I >UEsDBBQAAAAIADNsKS0ioUVoN0cAABj4AgAHAAAAdHJ4Lm91dJyd286rqhaA71ey3mE9giCg  >-- I >XHqs0Wqqtdb2/R9kD1Dn3U7m12bmv5pfEBgnBjD4FDZNTKHrdv3vv/+mpZe/n2ma1H//7/fv  >-- I >P5/dqiSxyhv/94y0o3Vu0lQhRr7Nfoc7ZdLBzX/PHP3xxrH+qNxpm2vEhP6sNRjrsz8LHwP9  >-- ... $ >-- [snipped rest of Base64 code...] > ' >This mail opens just OK in MS Outlook.  >  >> If the recipient @ >> has his own off-line decoder (mmencode -u does a decode) then@ >> you're all set.  But if the recipient is a typical dumb user,7 >> you need to get a little fancier on the sending end.  >> > # >You mean a user with a dumb tool ? % >It doesn't have to be a dumb user...  >  >Jan-Erik Sderholm. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:58:54 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail; Message-ID: <3ddbbf4e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   " Tom Linden (tom@kednos.com) wrote: > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: A > >That's what MPACK/MUNPACK does for you, add all RFC headers to ; > >properly markup the plaintext part and any attachements.  > . > I didn't find a VMS version at the cmu site.  # It's on the OpenVMS Freeware CD v5.   8 That version also is downloadable via anonymous FTP from( ftp.pdv-systeme.de in /vms/mpack15.zip .   cu,    Martin --  B                         | Martin Vorlaender | VMS & WNT programmer1  OpenVMS: Where do you  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D  want to BE today?      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8                         | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:22:37 -0800 ' From: Mike Freeman <mikef@pacifier.com> 4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMailH Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0211201015070.9908-100000@shell.pacifier.com>  . On 20 Nov 2002 briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  e > In article <3DDB8F0E.FA75EA1E@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: # > > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  > >>B > >> The problem with just using BASE64 is that if you don't craftD > >> some RFC 822 headers to indicate that BASE64 is in use, all the4 > >> recipient sees is a bunch of encoded gibberish. > > B > > That's what MPACK/MUNPACK does for you, add all RFC headers to< > > properly markup the plaintext part and any attachements. > D > Yes.  Providing, of course, that you mail the resulting text usingA > the NBL% transport or otherwise arrange for the message headers 8 > to be treated as message headers and not message body. > @ > If you don't provide the headers or if you don't manage to get< > them treates as headers, your recipient will be treated toA > unreadable garbage regardless of how good their mail client is.  > & > > You mean a user with a dumb tool ?( > > It doesn't have to be a dumb user... > ; > I mean a dumb user.  At least 90% of all users seem to be D > are unable to deal with a BASE64 encoded data if their mail clientG > has not automatically decoded it for them.  In my user community, I'd 9 > estimate that about half would be unable to recognize a = > BASE64 encoded attachment, even if it came accompanied with 9 > explanatory text identifying it as a BASE64 attachment.  > @ > It's like they have a little blind spot.  "It looks like stuffA > that I can't understand and its right next to stuff that I sure / > can't understand so I won't even look at it".  >  > 	John Briggs > G John is correct.  These will be "dumb users".  Moreover, I suspect that I some of them will be using machines using Windows-2000 as their OS, not a I VMS flavor or a flavor of UNIX.  Hence, I suspect that without installing C another mail utility -- something I am reluctant to do -- I'm S O L - insofar as sending files as attachments goes.    Michael Freeman < K 7 U I J > B Bonneville Power Administration; P.O. Box 491, Vancouver, WA 98666' M/S TOOS/DITT2; Telephone (360)418-2307    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:31:32 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>4 Subject: RE: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail0 Message-ID: <01C29080.15BEE1C0@sulfer.icius.com>  D If you don't have any luck, I think I may have some C sourcecode forG encoding and decoding base 64. Drop me a note offline and I'll see if I A can find it. It may mean rebuilding a machine that's currently in 7 multiple pieces, so please leave this as a last resort!    Shane    -----Original Message-----B From: koehler@encompasserve.org [mailto:koehler@encompasserve.org]) Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:10 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail    H In article <utkt3ro7a02809@corp.supernews.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > Greetings! > @ > Somewhere in the dim, dark past I remember being able to send L > BASE64-encoded files using VMSMail.  For the life of me, however, I can't M > drag the procedure out of my memory banks (you don't suppose I'm aging, do  I > you?).  So: how does one send, say, a binary file using VMSMail (other  # > than, say, UUENCODEing it first)?   G    There was a base64 encoder/decoder on a web site somewhere I used to     use.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:44:51 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail' Message-ID: <3DDBD823.B0B8BABA@aaa.com>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  > ; > I mean a dumb user.  At least 90% of all users seem to be D > are unable to deal with a BASE64 encoded data if their mail client, > has not automatically decoded it for them.  / Which is expected and perhaps quite reasonable.   A I'd say that just a very very few out of the user base (including @ all 100's of millions PC users) know what "BASE64" is. Much much0 less then 10%. Perhaps just a few ppm's of them.  6 That does *NOT* make them all dumb. Or even make *any*
 of them dumb.   : When we are talking MIME and attachements, we aren't realy, talking about VMS-only environments, right ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:20:00 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>. Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates2 Message-ID: <foycnRdyxLtCE0egXTWcqg@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:jRrC9.105742$YSz1.75578@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > 4 > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in message > L news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B77@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. > .. > > . > >Re: Alpha NT ..not to dig up old news but - > >  > > ? > >Oh yes, and keep in mind official V1.0 64bit NT is still not  > >available.... > J > Was there not an alpha version of 64-bit NT for Alpha processor floating > around a couple years ago?  C Indeed:  32-bit Win2K and 64-bit Win2K were intended to be released L concurrently, and the 64-bit version was reportedly pretty much in step withI the 32-bit version until Compaq pulled the rug out from under the latter.   E This was sufficient to cause Microsoft to cancel the 64-bit release - K perhaps because it decided that Win2K was in enough trouble getting out the I door (after multiple major slips) without trying to ship simultaneously a I 64-bit version on a different hardware platform to an installed base that L had just been torpedoed by its vendor.  And since Itanic was supposedly justK around the corner 3+ years ago, having a bit of extra breathing room to get H it ready for what they considered their primary platform may have seemed attractive as well.   L Of course, 64-bit Windows on Itanic may also have required considerably moreI work than the same product on Alpha, because where Alpha had FX!32 to run H existing IA32 binaries (thus isolating them behind a layer of Alpha codeI that may have been fairly easy to move to a 64-bit environment) on Itanic L they run as native processes (not that I know enough about the details to doL anything more than speculate in this area).  In any event, demand for 64-bitF Windows on Itanic has apparently not been such as to spur Microsoft toJ Herculean efforts to release it, and the real product is now aimed at .NetH Server rather than at Win2K - thus requiring yet more massaging over andE above what would have been required to release 64-bit Win2K on Alpha.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:05:17 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by GatesJ Message-ID: <1QwC9.107206$YSz1.11964@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message , news:QcWcnagmx5IjDEegXTWcog@metrocast.net... >  > J > And while you may not think that 32-bit NT on Alpha was significant, theJ > fact that (before the Compaq take-over put the future of the platform inJ > question) it accounted for about 15% of Alpha systems sold suggests that3 > actual customers viewed that differently as well.e    H I can't begin to tell you the number of companies I came across who wereJ monumentally p*ssed off shortly after Compaq pulled the rug out from underK NT/Alpha.  They felt that they were sold a bill-of-goods by Compaq in termsaH of the viability of their hardware purchases. A few demanded their money$ back but were turned down by Compaq.  G Many of them were running mid-range Alphaservers, and told me that they4B would never buy anything ever again from Compaq. Most of them have% subsequently switched to Dell or IBM.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:59:49 +00004% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates8 Message-ID: <9fjmtu0ns9vr1v4v7dqlc43sdiip382sag@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:37:27 -0500, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>y wrote:    = >Oh yes, and keep in mind official V1.0 64bit NT is still not  >available....  E But also don't forget AMD are  demonstrating, with Microsoft,  64 bitnE Windows 2000 Terminal Server Edition at COMDEX  this week, running onm% a 4 processor 64 bit AMD Opteron box.m  C This is the first time a native Windows for the AMD 64 bit platformaB has been demonstrated in public. Users are able to see 32 bit codeA running alongside native 64 bit apps with no performance penalty.=  E >I'm not saying better things could not have been done with Alpha NT,"F >however, lets not try and position Microsoft as having no part in the >Alpha NT decision.  >H >They certainly did. >V	 >Regards.a >a >Kerry Mainr >Senior Consultant >Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.d" >Consulting & Integration Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax   : 613-591-4477! >Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom . >    (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s) >V >  >-----Original Message----- 1 >From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net] Y  >Sent: November 18, 2002 7:22 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com/ >Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by GatesM >  >  > : >"Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote in message) >news:aravv7$3ph$2@newslocal.mitre.org...r? >> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes in article.D ><3DD6E5E0.C15FE064@vl.videotron.ca> dated Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:42:25 >-0500:r >> >Alan Greig wrote:tI >> >> According to the New York Times, Microsoft offered to make Capellasg >t5 >> >> No.3, adopting the title of President and COO.", >>E >> Was the job offer payback for killing Alpha?  AlphaNT died before B( >> Alpha though.  Did Curly do that too? > C >Yes indeedy-doo.  It was one of his first acts after his temporaryCC >annointment became permanent (since one else would take the job) -hD >though there's little indication that it was initiated by MicrosoftF >(which actually got some mileage out of Alpha, both in the ability toG >present Windows as multi-platform and in the prospect of extending itse= >offerings into the 64-bit enterprise space on the platform).l >cB >Of course, that act sparked off significant concern about Alpha'sF >future, but Senior VPs Bill Heil and Jesse Lipcon managed to quell itI >with their public, unequivocal, earnest assurances that companies reallyaI >should bet their futures on the Alpha platform because Compaq was firmly F >betting its own future on Alpha - complete with product details rightI >through EV8, and ironically (or worse) at just about the same time Curlyp2 >and Robison were starting to plan how to kill it. >y >>E >> >> Hey maybe he'll just strip down WorldCom first then merge with t >> >> Microsoft. >> >H >> >No, I think I found out what the strategy is. Capellas will "visit"  >> >as >CEO, C >> >all major remaining VMS customers, force the dumping of VMS and- >replacementI >> >with Windows crap, then leave as the company crumbles and go onto thej	 >next VMSg= >> >customer. Once VMS is dead, he gets his job at Microsoft.  >>
 >> Or Sun! >eF >The idea that VMS has at any time in the last half-dozen years been aF >significant threat to Windows is, unfortunately, laughable:  once theG >infamous Affinity program got into full swing, it was clear that VMS'saI >owner had no interest whatsoever in anything more than high-margin nichehI >business for VMS, and Capellas arrived on the scene far too late to have H >changed that perception by anything less than a full-court press (which@ >he clearly had no more interest in initiating than GQ Bob had). > E >The only hope of any reversal was the possibility that VMS customers<C >would put a financial gun to cHumPaq's head (the threat of massive F >revenue/profit loss possibly being sufficient to either sway Curly orF >cause him to be replaced), but the merger pretty much derailed that -C >and now VMS revenue may have dropped sufficiently that HP won't be 2 >bothered all that much about losing what remains. >U >- billo >m >    -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:21:27 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>H. Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by GatesJ Message-ID: <HTMC9.111986$YSz1.28981@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B79@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. ..  H Microsoft was real interested in Alpha client software all right. That'sB why they never released an updated version of WORD on the NT-AlphaE platform that fixed the issue of the Alpha NT V1.0 WORD version beingSC shipped with all of the debug code still loaded in it (you know theuG stuff that kills performance, but is loaded for debugging functionality'D prob's). I was part of the NT Wizards with Digital at the time  - We$ screamed... But the rest is history.   --------   Kerry,  	 <hearsay>fD My understanding is that there was nothing in the agreements betweenK Digital/Microsoft that explicitly called for desktop products to be shipped]J on Alpha, much less version parity with Intel releases. I believe that theK deal was for server-side NT and not much beyond that. IIRC, the feeling was"J at the time that Alpha for the desktop was too expensive a proposition vs.8 Intel and that Alpha desktop volume would not grow much.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:19:40 +0000K' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyi) Subject: Re: Carly reinvents HP yet again . Message-ID: <3DDBB61C.5030006@nospamn.sun.com>  3 I liked the bit where She compliments Dell on their 2 efficiency as a distribution company and then goes2 on to say that this isn't the HP strategy which is focused on innovation.  3 Funny because moving HP from a technology innovators/ to a distribution company is one of the charges 2 leveled at Carly by a whole range of commentators.  5 Perhaps outsourcing development looks like innovationl from where Carly sits.   regardse Andrew Harrisons Bill Todd wrote:L > I really do believe I remember when C&C were touting the merger as the wayN > to create an entity that could meet IBM head-on on its own terms (except, ofL > course, for offering proprietary systems with credible life expectancies).  > But I must have been mistaken: > 4 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/28110.html >  > ...x > M > She finished by saying that some people had mistakenly compared her companye2 > with HP's systems and consulting competitor IBM. > I > "We are not trying to emulate IBM. You can look at IBM, and our product4L > portfolios are different in many areas. They are doubling down in areas weM > haven't. In services they bought PriceWaterhouseCoopers, where we prefer to.L > partner," Fiorina said, overlooking HP's own failed attempt to buy PCW for > $20bn in November 2000.  >  > - bill >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:01:58 -0500r* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>) Subject: Re: Carly reinvents HP yet againr2 Message-ID: <DASdnS5HxJuZXUagXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>w9 wrote in message news:3DDBB61C.5030006@nospamn.sun.com...i5 > I liked the bit where She compliments Dell on their 4 > efficiency as a distribution company and then goes4 > on to say that this isn't the HP strategy which is > focused on innovation. > 5 > Funny because moving HP from a technology innovatori1 > to a distribution company is one of the chargess4 > leveled at Carly by a whole range of commentators. >C7 > Perhaps outsourcing development looks like innovationi > from where Carly sits.  J That certainly seems to be the case.  Innovation in marketing.  InnovationI in partnering.  Innovation in distribution (but not of course like Dell).lK Innovation in streamlining business practices.  But God knows no innovationt6 in any *technical* area:  leave that to the suppliers.  J Of course, that will eventually leave HP with one grossly overpaid CEO andJ plus offshore box-building by coolies at burger-flipping wages (which willK look pretty good to them).  I have nothing against exporting such jobs that I can be done more cost-effectively by upwardly-mobile third-world workers,iJ but I prefer generating the kinds of jobs that *can't* be done effectivelyH elsewhere - and that requires a kind of innovation Carly doesn't seem to like.U   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:49:20 -0500t; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>e& Subject: Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi$ Message-ID: <3ddba124$1@news.si.com>  9 >OpenVMS V7.3-1 has versions of CDRECORD and LD built in.a  l  But there is no V7.3-1 on a VAX. -- eA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com)A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comu= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:50:08 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>B& Subject: Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi" Message-ID: <3ddba154@news.si.com>  3 >I am pleased to report that with a combination of e >LDDRIVER (thanks, Glenn!) and i- >CDRECORD (thanks to Herr Doktor and others!)h  ) So, what was the combination that worked?l -- sA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comwA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comn= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventy< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:18:46 -0500-! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> ' Subject: RE: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi-HK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BA1@rlghncst964.usps.gov>V   Okay, here's the lowdown:D  / I used the LDDRIVER from David Dachtera's site-a   link on - http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html#cdrcdvmso  	 points to . http://www.djesys.com/vms/freeware.html#lddrvr  - and I used the precompiled CDRECORD_ALPHA.EXEw! from Brian Schenkenberger's site:i   link on  http://www.tmesis.com/CDrom/  * Notes that'll save y'all time and trouble:  ' Remember: PW433au, OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 -  9 (I described it as a converted "a" because it didn't have.;  native SCSI, just IDE, but it says 433au when it boots.),    7 1.  The system will see the Plextor at the boot prompt.x  9 2.  The system will see the Plextor from the dollar sign.   0 3.  The Plextor won't read/mount/boot ODS-2 CDs.  ? 4.  CDRECORD -SCANBUS didn't work for me, despite some archived'= indications that it worked for some folks using it on the VAX  side of things.n  ' 5.  CDRECORD -V DEV=x,y,z -PRCAP works.c  = I had to divest myself of the notion that I was just going to	4 pull the CD-ROM drive and drop the CD-RW in instead & (after making the swap, of course) :^)  D I wasn't at all sure that the CD-RW was good until I got significant output from the -PRCAP command.t  : Thanks to Brian and David for the stuff on their websites,  D Thanks to David Michaels, Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann and  Hoff Hoffman A (hmm.  Perhaps we should all change our names to some variant of  B Hofmann/Hoffmann...it could a secret VMS handshake) who were kind 3 enough to send me personal emails with suggestions.a   WWWebb    2 >I am pleased to report that with a combination of >LDDRIVER (thanks, Glenn!) and- >CDRECORD (thanks to Herr Doktor and others!)(  ) So, what was the combination that worked?( --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comsA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comI= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 10:31:23 -08001 From: ivesvanmeenen@hotmail.com (Ives Van Meenen)cY Subject: Enterprise Ressource Planning systems (like SAP, PeopleSoft, BaaN, ...) and proj6= Message-ID: <42769229.0211201031.2e904bdd@posting.google.com>3   Hi all  < I am doing a research in ERP systems and project management.  > Therefore I am looking for people that were involved in an ERP project, for an interview.  F If anyone knows project managers or other people that were involved in# an ERP project, please let me know.f  D I am located in Sweden, in Vxj. Also, if you know companies around4 Vxj that have implemented ERP, please let me know.   Best regards   Ives Van Meenenp (Belgian student in Sweden)    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 13:57:40 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure3 Message-ID: <LrME2fp4$WbY@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  ` In article <3DDA04F8.9040104@tg.nsw.gov.au>, Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> writes: >  > Phillip Helbig wrote: 	 > [snips]c >>>So you should have: >>>i >>>$TYPE 'P1 >>   >> +L >> I prefer 'P1'.  Leaving out the trailing apostrophe works in some cases, ( >> but it is better style to include it. >>   > 5 > I **definitely** agree with Phillip's comment here.= >   F    Nope.  'p1 does not mean the same thing as 'p1' .  In this case theF    end result is the same.  Older and wizer folks will remember doing     "''f$mode()'" .   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:24:27 +1100-1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> . Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure, Message-ID: <3DDB54CB.3060108@tg.nsw.gov.au>  	 O.K., BobS  I I do not understand the subtlety here.  I've tried a few things with 'p1 h+ and 'p1' and cannot discern any difference.k  I My understanding has always been that they are identical except that 'p1 o? can be used instead of 'p1' if there is white-space after 'p1.  B Obviously, 'p1'.txt is not the same as 'p1.txt -- the latter is a C W-IVOPER warning in any case.  I still stand by my remark that the  B authors of DCL should have balanced the apostrophes in all cases, F white-space or not.  How much more obscure would C have been if there C were times that you didn't have to balance the comment terminating  H delimiter?  The writers of obfuscated code would surely have loved that  one :-)    I know the difference between: $ a = f$mode()  ! 1h $ a = 'f$mode()'  ! 2e $ a = "''f$mode()'"  ! 3  E 1 and 3 put the same answer into a, but 3 has the symbol translation   when doing $ set verify.  G 2 will give an error unless there is a symbol "interactive" or "batch" 2 or whatever.  $ Is there any extra subtlety in this?  * But I'm still curious betwixt 'p1 and 'p1'   Regards, Paddy       Bob Koehler wrote:b > In article <3DDA04F8.9040104@tg.nsw.gov.au>, Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> writes: >  >>Phillip Helbig wrote: 	 >>[snips]  >> >>>>So you should have:o >>>>
 >>>>$TYPE 'P1n >>>e >>> L >>>I prefer 'P1'.  Leaving out the trailing apostrophe works in some cases, ( >>>but it is better style to include it. >>>  >>5 >>I **definitely** agree with Phillip's comment here.o >> >  > H >    Nope.  'p1 does not mean the same thing as 'p1' .  In this case theH >    end result is the same.  Older and wizer folks will remember doing  >    "''f$mode()'" .      G ***********************************************************************r  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedt> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise-B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid gA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the b= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with .C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************b   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:26:58 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>. Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure8 Message-ID: <c7hntuslqrkauu2oogdemfm03tf3ennm0v@4ax.com>  O Well, Charlie, I happen to agree with you that not using the closing apostrophe K is poor programming practice, even when it works. However, the two guys whoAP "wrote the book" on DCL programming (Writing Real Programs in DCL) disagree withO you and me, and have a long discourse on the cases when a closing apostrophe isn2 actually required, ending with the following view:  P "Trailing apostrophes will be used in this book only when necessary, because theO authors believe this convention improves the readability of command procedures,-G even though it means the programmer must remember the foregoing rules."k  D I wonder if Hoff still feels that way today, some 13 years later?...    K On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:43:52 GMT, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charliec Hammond) wrote:o   > C >I believe that the stated rules for DCL syntax REQUIRE the closing D >apostrophy (') for symbol substitution  ("Apostrophy" is also oftenE >called "single quote").  The exact wording I found said "encolsed inU >apostrophes(')."  > D >The current implemenation of DCL relaxes this requirement and worksD >without the closing apostrophy in many cases.  It is unlikely that B >this will change -- it would break a lot of procedures.  However,A >while I know of no plans or reason to change, this is no formal  $ >commitment to continue this either. >l1 >Using the closing apostrophy will always work.  n5 >I regard NOT using it as poor programming practice. e >IE >FWIW, DCL_CHECK will report missing closing apostrophes as an error.i  I -------------------------------------------------------------------------sI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comsI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)AI -------------------------------------------------------------------------1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:44:43 +0100/% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>l Subject: Gnat Ada for VMSN, Message-ID: <3ddbcc61$1@news.swissonline.ch>   Hello,  F when we complained, about Compaq would stopping the support for CompaqJ Ada83, Compaq replied with full right, why we could not use Gnat Ada as an alternative.J Now, I'm able to start a list of weak points of this compiler, gathered in our own porting process:  G 1) The Gnat Ada compiler is incredible slow in comaprison to the Compaq. Ada83 compiler.dI      When it took about 2 and a half hours to build our whole system with6 Ada83, we can be1      glad if we manage the same in 24h with Gnat!aL 2) We make use of very complex variant rekord defintions. Where Compaq Ada83 compilesK      those in a view seconds, the Gnat compiler needs incredible amounts ofm memory and timegI      to perform the same task. In our last attempt, we configured 1 GB ofs virtual memory forH      the compiler to use. But it still run out of memory. We will not we able to avoid code-      modifications to make it pass this code.a  F These are the points till now. I let you know, when more are occuring.   best regards   Jakob Erbere   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:21:05 +0100g; From: "Thomas Egenberger" <thomas.egenberger@technidata.de>d6 Subject: How to delete a command from the DCL-Tables ?' Message-ID: <argjh8$6f2$1@news.dtag.de>o   Hello,  5 with the installation of oracle on OpenVMS Alpha 7.21n9 an old java version was installed and integrated into theg; DCL-Tables. Installing a newer Version of Java, the commandoG java still points to the old version (which has other syntax qualifier)e  : How can I delete the old java command from the DCL Table ?	 And maybed< How can I make the new command to be part of the DCL-Table ?  B Work around is in the moment to define a symbol to the new version to override the old command.   Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:29:25 GMTi" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: How to delete a command from the DCL-Tables ?0 Message-ID: <00A17418.EE79E16A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <argjh8$6f2$1@news.dtag.de>, "Thomas Egenberger" <thomas.egenberger@technidata.de> writes:- >Hello,  >a6 >with the installation of oracle on OpenVMS Alpha 7.21: >an old java version was installed and integrated into the< >DCL-Tables. Installing a newer Version of Java, the commandH >java still points to the old version (which has other syntax qualifier) >M; >How can I delete the old java command from the DCL Table ? 
 >And maybe= >How can I make the new command to be part of the DCL-Table ?S >eC >Work around is in the moment to define a symbol to the new versiono >to override the old command.e >o >Thanks  >t >i  B $ SET COMMAND/DELETE=JAVA/TABLE=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE -+ _$ /OUTPUT=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXEe    @ $ SET COMMAND JAVA.CLD /TABLE=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE -+ _$ /OUTPUT=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXEo     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMd             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:54:09 -0500o; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>tK Subject: Re: Init/que/autostart_on=(node1::,node2::,node3::) system_Utilitys$ Message-ID: <3ddba245$1@news.si.com>  G >I am running openvms v7.2-1 on a cluster with 3 alphas and one vax.  In issue  >the following commands: >/ >from node1- > * >$ ENABLE AUTOSTART/QUEUES/ON_NODE=NODE1::  3 Why do you have the /ON_NODE qualifier?  From HELP:              /ON_NODE=nodename;  H        Specifies a node in an OpenVMS Cluster system. Use this qualifierH        to enable autostart on a node *other than* the one from which you        enter the command.D   (emphasis mine)B  * >$ ENABLE AUTOSTART/QUEUES/ON_NODE=NODE3::H >$ INIT/QUE/BAT/AUTOSTART_ON=(AXP009::,AXP008::,AXP006::) SYSTEM_UTILITY  1 Does AXP009 correspond to NODE1, NODE2, or NODE3?T -- aA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comhA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:50:02 -0500f! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>n= Subject: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B9F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>r   Look who's mentioned :^).y   $ HELP SHOW USERS Examples   SHOW     USERS        Examples              1.$ SHOW USERSa?                  OpenVMS User Processes at 12-MAY-2001 10:37 AMeC                Total number of users = 4,  number of processes = 14n  A             Username     Node     Interactive  Subprocess   Batche+             S_SKONETSKI BBBBBB            1a5             WISNIEWSKI  XXXXXX            4         2a5             HIBBITS     AAAAAA            1         4d+             VAXMAN      AAAAAA            2e  I            The SHOW USERS command in this example displays the user namesME            and node names of all current interactive, subprocess, andh     Press RETURN to continue ...   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:02:51 GMT/" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGA Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha-0 Message-ID: <00A17415.389E30F5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B9F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> writes:. >0 >Look who's mentioned :^).  ! It was there a few versions back.i  7 Shameless plug... check HELP SHOW DEFAULT EXAMPLE  (#4)E   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            o5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 6   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:41:55 -0800S$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>A Subject: RE: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha/0 Message-ID: <01C29081.874B5FC0@sulfer.icius.com>  F That's new. I've got 6.2 here and she's not mentioned. The rest of the text is the same though.   Shane    -----Original Message-----( From: VAXVMS [mailto:bounce@notmail.com]* Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:50 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd= Subject: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alphag       Look who's mentioned :^).r   $ HELP SHOW USERS Examples   SHOW     USERSe       Examples              1.$ SHOW USERSi?                  OpenVMS User Processes at 12-MAY-2001 10:37 AMnC                Total number of users = 4,  number of processes = 14   A             Username     Node     Interactive  Subprocess   Batchd+             S_SKONETSKI BBBBBB            1a5             WISNIEWSKI  XXXXXX            4         2 5             HIBBITS     AAAAAA            1         4 +             VAXMAN      AAAAAA            2e  C            The SHOW USERS command in this example displays the userh names E            and node names of all current interactive, subprocess, and      Press RETURN to continue ...   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 09:48:43 -0800, From: rcs@slac.stanford.edu (Robert C. Sass)2 Subject: Java runtime error trying to access a URL= Message-ID: <ab56e6c6.0211200948.2cc56904@posting.google.com>g  F We are developing a distributed CORBA/Java project and pass an IOR via8 a URL. TLA city. Here is all of our version information:/ ------------------------------------------------
 OpenVMS V7.3.-   java version "1.3.1"0 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionD Fast VM (build 1.3.1-4, build J2SDK.v.1.3.1:10/02/2002-09:27, native threads, ji0 t_131)  % $ show logical java$filename_controlst5    "JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS" = "-1" (LNM$JOB_8185E100)r0 -----------------------------------------------   E The following simple program fails on VMS though it works fine on ourh
 UNIX systems.i  A *****************************************************************  import java.io.*;e import java.net.*;   public class TestURL {i3     public static final String NAMESERVER_IOR_URL =eB      "http://www.slac.stanford.edu/... a valid URL goes here ...";  *     public static void main(String args[])     {t,         System.out.println("Entered main.");         InputStream in = null;         try 	         {h2             URL url = new URL(NAMESERVER_IOR_URL);.             System.err.println("Created URL");"             in = url.openStream();0             System.err.println("Opened stream");!             BufferedReader bfin =?A                  new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader( in )); :             System.err.println("Created buffered reader");)             String ior = bfin.readLine(); .             System.err.println("IOR = "+ ior);	         }a         catch (IOException e)0	         { B             System.err.println("Error retrieving NameServer IOR");/             System.err.println(e.getMessage());D             System.exit(1); 	         }e         finally {o5             try {in.close(); } catch (Exception e) {}e	         }b     }r }nF **********************************************************************   Running it produces:   $ java "TestURL"
 Entered main.  Created URL  Error retrieving NameServer IOR : errno: 47, error: address family not supported   for fd: 7  D This is a C RTL error which makes it seem that perhaps DEC/Compaq/HPB forgot about this URL class? Probably not. The URL can be accessedB from our site by Mozilla running on the same machine as TestURL. I9 tried using jdb to go down into the line that was failingv   in = url.openStream();  C but trying to start it also failed! Perhaps we have an error in our A installation of the SDK though it's unclear at this time what theu problem might be.    The jdb error looks like:s   $ jdb "TestURL"t Initializing jdb.... > run  run TestURL<? VM initialization failed for: /SYS$COMMON/java$131/jre/bin/javaw -Xdebug -Xnoagen t -Djava.compiler=NONE9 -Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,address=mccdev.slac.stanfore d.edu:2972,suspend=y TestURL   Unrecognized option:; -Xrunjdwp:transport=dt_socket,address=mccdev.slac.stanford.g edu:2972,suspend=y* Could not create the Java virtual machine. Fatal error:     Target VM failed to initialize.  3 The jdb symbol appears to point to the right place:    $ sho symbol jdb/   JDB == "$ sys$common:[java$131.bin]java$jdb "-    3 Thanks for any suggestions or ideas you might have!    Bobe   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:05:04 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!w0 Message-ID: <00A17415.87EBD1DC@SendSpamHere.ORG>   Hi,e  7 I've completely lost the ability to send email with MX.   H I can receive email but any mail I originate (send or reply) shows up onH the queue as CANCELLED.  Any hints or suggestions where to look?  I'm at a loss.t   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMl            d5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:41:50 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>- Subject: Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!d6 Message-ID: <20021120174150.29517.qmail@nym.alias.net>  6 On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >Hi, >s8 >I've completely lost the ability to send email with MX. >eI >I can receive email but any mail I originate (send or reply) shows up oniI >the queue as CANCELLED.  Any hints or suggestions where to look?  I'm at  >a loss.  J Installed any patches recently? This sounds similar to what happened to me) a couple of days ago - but with Multinet.   I As far as I could tell I'd missed a patch in January (VMS73_CLUSTER-V0200tG Alpha V7.3) and things broke after applying several of the recent ones.d     Doc. -- u6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net1   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:47:20 GMTf" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!r0 Message-ID: <00A1741B.6F1A041A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <20021120174150.29517.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:i7 >On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:h >>Hi,q >>9 >>I've completely lost the ability to send email with MX.c >>J >>I can receive email but any mail I originate (send or reply) shows up onJ >>the queue as CANCELLED.  Any hints or suggestions where to look?  I'm at	 >>a loss.  >eK >Installed any patches recently? This sounds similar to what happened to me * >a couple of days ago - but with Multinet.   Nope.  Same old same old.b   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm            t5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:15:41 -0500e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS/ Message-ID: <3DDAD422.7E399060@vl.videotron.ca>0   "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:C > You mention "jeopardizing the file system".  Anyone can bind to aGE > "known" port, just those with SYSPRV can take the ones below 1024. e  L That is the point. I feel that SYSPRV is not the right privilege that shouldL be needed to bind to a port < 1024.  For instance, a web server should neverM need SYSPRV since you DON'T want to grant it acces sto files/directories thatwL it shouldn't have access to. But based on your logic, it needs SYSPRV to mapK to prt 80. (as it stands however, SYSPRV isn't actually required to bind to - 80, the OSU web server does fine without it).p  H The whole privilege thing for the TCPIP stack seems to be a mess betweenA actual behaviour, documented behaviour and what should really be.o   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 23:34:03 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)e$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0211192334.2792d413@posting.google.com>t  @ I have complained earlier about the use of privileges in TCP/IP.  D Do a search/noout/stat sys$startup:tcpip*.com bypass (or sysprv) and you will see what I mean.T  	 Bart Zorne  g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3DDAD422.7E399060@vl.videotron.ca>...n > "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:E > > You mention "jeopardizing the file system".  Anyone can bind to aeG > > "known" port, just those with SYSPRV can take the ones below 1024. e > N > That is the point. I feel that SYSPRV is not the right privilege that shouldN > be needed to bind to a port < 1024.  For instance, a web server should neverO > need SYSPRV since you DON'T want to grant it acces sto files/directories thatrN > it shouldn't have access to. But based on your logic, it needs SYSPRV to mapM > to prt 80. (as it stands however, SYSPRV isn't actually required to bind toA/ > 80, the OSU web server does fine without it).  > J > The whole privilege thing for the TCPIP stack seems to be a mess betweenC > actual behaviour, documented behaviour and what should really be.j   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:10:03 GMTo. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS2 Message-ID: <%bJC9.24471$Ih.405946@news.chello.at>  e In article <a98cd882.0211192334.2792d413@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:kh >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3DDAD422.7E399060@vl.videotron.ca>... >> "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:iF >> > You mention "jeopardizing the file system".  Anyone can bind to aH >> > "known" port, just those with SYSPRV can take the ones below 1024.  >> nO >> That is the point. I feel that SYSPRV is not the right privilege that shouldrO >> be needed to bind to a port < 1024.  For instance, a web server should never P >> need SYSPRV since you DON'T want to grant it acces sto files/directories thatO >> it shouldn't have access to. But based on your logic, it needs SYSPRV to map N >> to prt 80. (as it stands however, SYSPRV isn't actually required to bind to0 >> 80, the OSU web server does fine without it). >> nK >> The whole privilege thing for the TCPIP stack seems to be a mess between>D >> actual behaviour, documented behaviour and what should really be. >uA >I have complained earlier about the use of privileges in TCP/IP.e > E >Do a search/noout/stat sys$startup:tcpip*.com bypass (or sysprv) andn >you will see what I mean.  F And I've complained about the structure of the application directoriesI SYS$SYSDEVICE vs SYS$SPECIFIC. (eg. why is TCPIP$SNMP in SYS$SYSDEVICE ?)a; Nothing changed so far. So, I (still) second JF's statementg  K >> The whole privilege thing for the TCPIP stack seems to be a mess between D >> actual behaviour, documented behaviour and what should really be.  F and think, that we should find out "what should really be" (AFAIK thatI is the hardest part) and then force HPQ to improve TCPIP cause of this...s   -- l Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERr% Network and OpenVMS system specialiste E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 06:14:27 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS3 Message-ID: <H1SeJchEuKXQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>"  b In article <3DDAD422.7E399060@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:D >> You mention "jeopardizing the file system".  Anyone can bind to aF >> "known" port, just those with SYSPRV can take the ones below 1024.  > N > That is the point. I feel that SYSPRV is not the right privilege that shouldN > be needed to bind to a port < 1024.  For instance, a web server should neverO > need SYSPRV since you DON'T want to grant it acces sto files/directories thateN > it shouldn't have access to. But based on your logic, it needs SYSPRV to mapM > to prt 80. (as it stands however, SYSPRV isn't actually required to bind toh/ > 80, the OSU web server does fine without it).e  E A good reason for not wanting J. Random user binding to a port < 1024h  J You don't want the user putting up an FTP server and harvesting passwords.L You don't want the user putting up a telnet server and harvesting passwords.I You don't want the user putting up a WWW server and harvesting passwords.nE You don't want the user putting up a DNS server and spoofing the namef service.J You don't want the user putting up a POP3 server and harvesting passwords.H You don't want the user putting up an SMTP server and harvesting e-mail.  @ And as the system manager you want to be able to take any or all@ of those services down without worrying about whether your users6 are going to grab the ports while the service is down.  B If I connect to your SMTP server, I darned well want it to be your< SMTP server I'm connecting to and not some unprivileged user) process masquarading as your SMTP server.g   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:40:48 -0500 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>u$ Subject: RE: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMSO Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D528A3DF@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   L I agree in theory that VMS engineers are smarter than this and should have aH more elegant solution (perhapse by owning an identifier for example); myK problem with some earlier comments about how VMS is different and different.K is bad.  This is not an example of them being different but being UNIX liketL - 1 particular priv can give you access to a lot of things (intentionally or not).  y   Vive La Differance   -----Original Message-----8 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] ( Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 7:16 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS     "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:D > You mention "jeopardizing the file system".  Anyone can bind to a D > "known" port, just those with SYSPRV can take the ones below 1024.  L That is the point. I feel that SYSPRV is not the right privilege that shouldL be needed to bind to a port < 1024.  For instance, a web server should neverH need SYSPRV since you DON'T want to grant it acces sto files/directoriesJ that it shouldn't have access to. But based on your logic, it needs SYSPRVJ to map to prt 80. (as it stands however, SYSPRV isn't actually required to5 bind to 80, the OSU web server does fine without it).o  H The whole privilege thing for the TCPIP stack seems to be a mess betweenA actual behaviour, documented behaviour and what should really be.     I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged andoJ confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication isiJ strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theI original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or J instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:42:34 -0500e5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>r$ Subject: RE: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMSO Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D528A3E0@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   H Agreed, but I think the worry is if you have to give someone sysprv (forH whatever reason) you give them this ability, or if you have to give themJ this ability (binding to less than 1024) then you give them a lot of otherL keys to things.  VMS security is way more granular than this and should have a better solution.   -----Original Message-----A From: briggs@encompasserve.org [mailto:briggs@encompasserve.org] n* Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:14 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS    8 In article <3DDAD422.7E399060@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei) <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:i > "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:E >> You mention "jeopardizing the file system".  Anyone can bind to a aE >> "known" port, just those with SYSPRV can take the ones below 1024.i > H > That is the point. I feel that SYSPRV is not the right privilege that I > should be needed to bind to a port < 1024.  For instance, a web server  F > should never need SYSPRV since you DON'T want to grant it acces sto H > files/directories that it shouldn't have access to. But based on your I > logic, it needs SYSPRV to map to prt 80. (as it stands however, SYSPRV aF > isn't actually required to bind to 80, the OSU web server does fine  > without it).  E A good reason for not wanting J. Random user binding to a port < 1024a  J You don't want the user putting up an FTP server and harvesting passwords.L You don't want the user putting up a telnet server and harvesting passwords.I You don't want the user putting up a WWW server and harvesting passwords.eE You don't want the user putting up a DNS server and spoofing the namevH service. You don't want the user putting up a POP3 server and harvestingK passwords. You don't want the user putting up an SMTP server and harvestingn e-mail.t  I And as the system manager you want to be able to take any or all of thoseRI services down without worrying about whether your users are going to grabw$ the ports while the service is down.  G If I connect to your SMTP server, I darned well want it to be your SMTPIL server I'm connecting to and not some unprivileged user process masquarading as your SMTP server.   	John Briggs    I The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged andmJ confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s)L named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agentF responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, anyK review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication isdJ strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactD the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theI original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/oruJ instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:30:33 -0500d; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>.$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS$ Message-ID: <3ddb9cbd$1@news.si.com>  0 >But based on your logic, it needs SYSPRV to mapL >to prt 80. (as it stands however, SYSPRV isn't actually required to bind to. >80, the OSU web server does fine without it).  H JF, you're talking through your hat (again).  From the OSU startup file:   $! Network proxy requirements:J $!    Assuming system startup runs under SYSTEM account and server account isG $!    HTTP_SERVER and local node name is MYNODE, the following commands4' $!    define the required proxy access." $!> $!      UAF> add/proxy mynode::http_server http_server/default1 $!      UAF> add/proxy mynode::system http_serverS  
 and later:  5 $ if .not. f$privilege("SYSNAM,SYSPRV,NETMBX,CMKRNL"). $ thenK $    write sys$output "This procedure requires SYSNAM, SYSPRV, and CMKRNL."-	 $    exit  $ endif0  E HTTP servers need to run from a privileged account to access port 80.j -- EA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com.A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comg= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventp< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2002 14:56:48 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)d$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS: Message-ID: <arg7rg$8l7$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  / In message <3DDAD422.7E399060@vl.videotron.ca>,B5    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:-0 >But based on your logic, it needs SYSPRV to mapL >to prt 80. (as it stands however, SYSPRV isn't actually required to bind to. >80, the OSU web server does fine without it).  O In the case of UCX or derivatives, binding to port 80 requires the process have.O SYSPRV, OPER, or BYPASS.  The OSU server temporarily enables SYSPRV (if it can)oH when binding to privileged ports, and the startup procedure installs theO server image with SYSPRV to allow this to happen.  If you authorize the accountiM or install the image with either of the other privileges (or SETPRV), you can A get it to bind to privileged ports - but that is not the intendeda configuration.      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:-L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2002 06:23 CSTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS- Message-ID: <20NOV200206232669@gerg.tamu.edu>t  2 Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes...< }Forgive me my ignorance but why a DVD writer for OpenVMS ? > }To record information from the OS or any layered software ???1 }Please explain me a use of it .... production ! l }Regards }  }FC   < For exactly the same reason that you might want a CD writer.: (Not surprising since it is essentally the same thing, but higher capacity.)t  ? Ever want to write something to CD for whatever reason and finde@ that your data was too big to fit on one? That is why you'd want
 a DVD writer.   = It would be great for archiving data, especially data that is B naturally in groups larger than 700MB or so but still small enough> to fit on a DVD. Unlike a tape, you have direct random access.F Want a file that is at the end of it? On a backup (or even non-backup)D tape you have to wind through the whole thing to get to the file youC want, but on a CD or DVD you can go directly to it, saving yourself9 many minutes of waiting.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 05:42:54 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0211200542.3cf67c01@posting.google.com>b   "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de> wrote in message news:<007501c29053$e095e380$0201a8c0@WS1>...o > ----- Original Message -----( > From: "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> > To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>k, > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:47 AM2 > Subject: RE: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS >  > J > > The obvious one that comes to mind is backups and archiving. DVDs haveK > > quite a respectable storage capacity, up there in the gigs. I'm not sur  >  eH > > what today's top end is for writable ones, but I saw an article that  > > mentioned 8gig pressed ones. > B > The maximum is 4.3 GB for burnable DVDs. A Video-DVD usually hasF > 9 GB (double layered). I'm sure the industry is able to produce 9 GBE > burners but they don't sell them, because this is would destroy ther > DVD-Video market.n > 
 > eberhard >   E does this program work with rewritable cd's?  and are you saying your > write program does up to 7x4.3gb burning in a single save set?E would be great to eliminate 4mm tape with rewritable cd's for backup!a   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 15:30:20 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)r0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS- Message-ID: <3ddb9c7c.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>-  = In article <d7791aa1.0211200542.3cf67c01@posting.google.com>, * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:K |>"Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de> wrotem9 |>in message news:<007501c29053$e095e380$0201a8c0@WS1>...w  |>> ----- Original Message -----* |>> From: "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> |>> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>t. |>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:47 AM4 |>> Subject: RE: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS |>>  |>> G |>> > The obvious one that comes to mind is backups and archiving. DVDsr |>haveI |>> > quite a respectable storage capacity, up there in the gigs. I'm noth |>sur  |>>  eJ |>> > what today's top end is for writable ones, but I saw an article that" |>> > mentioned 8gig pressed ones. |>> D |>> The maximum is 4.3 GB for burnable DVDs. A Video-DVD usually hasH |>> 9 GB (double layered). I'm sure the industry is able to produce 9 GBG |>> burners but they don't sell them, because this is would destroy the  |>> DVD-Video market.  |>>  |>> eberhard |>>  |>G |>does this program work with rewritable cd's?  and are you saying yourt@ |>write program does up to 7x4.3gb burning in a single save set?G |>would be great to eliminate 4mm tape with rewritable cd's for backup!r |>  ? It's just like (extra large) cd-rw. A dvd-+rw has about 7*650MBt of capacity (4,3 "real" GB).     eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:04:30 -0500o2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>5 Subject: Old Capellas Wine in New Worldcom Bottles...t. Message-ID: <3DDB966E.D1DD6E4E@mindspring.com>  * http://zdnet.com.com/2110-1106-966522.html   Nov 20, 2002 5:41 AM PT   " WorldCom's Capellas stresses trust  @ In his new role as chief executive at WorldCom, Michael Capellas@ said on Tuesday that his biggest challenge will be restoring the public's6 confidence in the bankrupt telecommunications company.  A "The company has got incredible assets. It's got great technology-A and customer support remains good," he said in a talk at a Lehman1? Brothers semiconductor conference. "We have to work on the cost4A model and return people to believing in the company's integrity,"d? Capellas said. "We will have to rebuild the trust of employees,,/ customers and the world, in general." --Reutersn    -=-=-=-  : It's amazing how many times one can trot out the same sad,, tired cliches while raking in the big bucks.  3 Meanwhile, we switched away from MCI months ago ande would never consider returning.r   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:52:20 -0500d! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>b9 Subject: Re: Old Capellas Wine in New Worldcom Bottles...8K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BA0@rlghncst964.usps.gov>u  ( I hate to speak ill of people, but every- time I saw his photograph I thought to myself - that the reason he kept his hair short was toe keep the points from showing.    WWWebb   Atlant Schmidt wrote:u >a+ >http://zdnet.com.com/2110-1106-966522.htmle >y >Nov 20, 2002 5:41 AM PT >e# >WorldCom's Capellas stresses trustw > A >In his new role as chief executive at WorldCom, Michael Capellas A >said on Tuesday that his biggest challenge will be restoring thea	 >public's.7 >confidence in the bankrupt telecommunications company.- >-B >"The company has got incredible assets. It's got great technologyB >and customer support remains good," he said in a talk at a Lehman@ >Brothers semiconductor conference. "We have to work on the costB >model and return people to believing in the company's integrity,"@ >Capellas said. "We will have to rebuild the trust of employees,0 >customers and the world, in general." --Reuters >o	 > -=-=-=-a >i; >It's amazing how many times one can trot out the same sad,r- >tired cliches while raking in the big bucks.m  3 Meanwhile, we switched away from MCI months ago andm would never consider returning.?   Atlant   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:00:48 -0800a' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>n9 Subject: Re: Old Capellas Wine in New Worldcom Bottles...T8 Message-ID: <20021120090048.39ea80e6.mathog@caltech.edu>  " On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:04:30 -05003 Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:i  , > http://zdnet.com.com/2110-1106-966522.html >  > Nov 20, 2002 5:41 AM PTo > $ > WorldCom's Capellas stresses trust  : Trust?  Capellas?  The only thing that I trust about Curly? is that nothing he says can be believed or should ever be takenm< at face value.  He had plenty of time to prove that he could; be trusted at Compaq - and he clearly demonstrated that thet< opposite was true.  No need to cite chapter and verse to the choir.   > B > In his new role as chief executive at WorldCom, Michael CapellasB > said on Tuesday that his biggest challenge will be restoring the
 > public's8 > confidence in the bankrupt telecommunications company.  > What, no 180 day plan?  Looks like he hasn't found a buyer for those WorldCom assets yet.     > * > "The company has got incredible assets.   7 Translation:  look at all the good stuff I get to sell.- <SNIP>   > We have to work on the cost4 > modelo  > Translation:  we need to fire enough people so that there will be money left to pay my salary.(  = > and return people to believing in the company's integrity,"@  D Translation:  and string along the remaining customers and investors until I can sell them out.  A > Capellas said. "We will have to rebuild the trust of employees,U' > customers and the world, in general."   > What chutzpah.  Worldcom employees and customers would be well> advised to ask Compaq (ex-) employees and (ex-) customers just$ how much Capellas should be trusted.  < > It's amazing how many times one can trot out the same sad,. > tired cliches while raking in the big bucks.   Amen.  S   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:46:03 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>* Subject: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance6 Message-ID: <200211200746.IAA15385@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  D I have measured the Gigabit performance and was very unhappy, to seeC only about 26% of the possible network performance. Is this normal?-C (HP/Compaq meens yes) Or must I change any device parameter in con-A@ junction with the switch parameter? In case of a mixed speed LAND i have the jumbo frames disabled and the PIPELINE QUOTA set to a lowB value. Could this be the reason of slow performance? Are there anyH SYSGEN parameter or user QUOTA, which influence the network performance.5 Aaaaah I did forget to write the configuration infos:e  9 	XP1000, DS20 and/or ES40 with DEGPA-SA and OpenVMS 7.1-2e   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:28:19 GMT  From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1> . Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance1 Message-ID: <7_MC9.5$Ny1.297046@news.cpqcorp.net>   3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message 0 news:200211200746.IAA15385@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, > F > I have measured the Gigabit performance and was very unhappy, to seeE > only about 26% of the possible network performance. Is this normal?=E > (HP/Compaq meens yes) Or must I change any device parameter in con-cB > junction with the switch parameter? In case of a mixed speed LANF > i have the jumbo frames disabled and the PIPELINE QUOTA set to a lowD > value. Could this be the reason of slow performance? Are there anyJ > SYSGEN parameter or user QUOTA, which influence the network performance.7 > Aaaaah I did forget to write the configuration infos:e >A: > XP1000, DS20 and/or ES40 with DEGPA-SA and OpenVMS 7.1-2 >A3 Try using TTCP for testing your netwotk performancee  , [TCP/IP] Internet Performance Program TTCP.CL http://www.compaq.com/support/asktima/communications/009d0125-ee1a6d20-1c02a 1.html   Regardsc   Grard   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 09:00:00 -0800# From: wmarsh@etrade.com (Wil Marsh)t. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance= Message-ID: <36f52bd6.0211200859.1fa7fc65@posting.google.com>u  X "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<laJC9.7$Gf1.190591@news.cpqcorp.net>...5 > "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in messaget2 > news:200211200746.IAA15385@sinet1.fom.fgan.de...
 > > Hello, > >tH > > I have measured the Gigabit performance and was very unhappy, to seeG > > only about 26% of the possible network performance. Is this normal?MG > > (HP/Compaq meens yes) Or must I change any device parameter in con-hD > > junction with the switch parameter? In case of a mixed speed LANH > > i have the jumbo frames disabled and the PIPELINE QUOTA set to a lowF > > value. Could this be the reason of slow performance? Are there anyL > > SYSGEN parameter or user QUOTA, which influence the network performance.9 > > Aaaaah I did forget to write the configuration infos:_ > >T< > > XP1000, DS20 and/or ES40 with DEGPA-SA and OpenVMS 7.1-2 > > " > > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert > >A > Hello E try setting the rms network buffers to 127..$ set rms/system/net=127   both nodes.  > : > Even if this is about Vms 7.3, you should have a look at > L >      FTP tests over Gigabit Ethernet show slow link performance on OpenVMS > system >  >  > H > http://www.compaq.com/support/askkcs/hpcg/215_0_105505663_3569250.html > 	 > RegardsG >  > Grard   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:35:20 GMT& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance* Message-ID: <argh4o$cur$2@web1.cup.hp.com>  A There are many limits to TCP performance :) One common one is the.F window size divided by the round-trip time. (W/RTT). For single-streamE Gigabit one typically needs a reasonably large window size - say 128KlF for a GbE LAN. My experience thusfar (on other platofrms/OSes) is that% 32KB or even 56KB isn't large enough."  D CPU horsepower is also at issue. There is one vendor that has a ruleF of thumb that one needs 1MHz of CPU for every Mbit/s of throughput. MyD experience with hp-ux on PA-RISC has been 1 MHz for every 2Mbit/s ofB throughput.  I'm not (yet I trust) familiar with a similar rule of thumb for Alpha/VMS.  E A single TCP stream can also go no faster than a single CPU can drivesD it, so somtimes you may see high Mbit/s rates quoted for MP machinesA with slow individual CPUs. One needs to make sure to ask if thosesF figures are for a single stream, or multiple streams.  Particularly if  Jumbo Frames are not being used.  8 Also, packet losses can ruin your whole performance day.  D The suggestions to test with something that does not involve file IO+ is good. Ttcp and netperf are good at that.   
 rick jones -- RH Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events.F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 09:45:32 -0800+ From: Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre)e Subject: RSYNC for OpenVMS ?= Message-ID: <a39f53b1.0211200945.19f117bf@posting.google.com>r   hi,   / is there an OpenVMS version of the RSYNC tool ?    TIA, Pierre.m   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 14:00:14 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!3 Message-ID: <KFVq0ItZfYUB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <ard6p7$eeo$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:p< > I had a process in an RWAST state (according to anal/sys).G > It's AST limit (PHD) was 100 (correct), and the AST count field (PCB)o@ > contained 98 (that's how many remaining available, I believe).  H    RWAST does not mean you are out of AST quota (usually).  It means youE    are waiting for some resource that the kernel will declare free by !    firing an AST in your process.o   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2002 14:03:23 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n, Subject: Re: RWAST, astlim 100, astcnt 98 !!3 Message-ID: <oPXr4JxTzszn@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  b In article <3DDA2BB8.10D20A36@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Chris Sharman wrote:E >> I'm mystified, though, by it reporting both RWAST and 98 ast quotaeO >> remaining. Are there other causes of RWAST, other than ast quota exhausted ?s > P > Yes. RWAST is VMS's equivalent to the microsoft Blue Screen of Death. It won'tW > kill other processes, but requires a reboot to be really sure *OR* a lot of patience.o  G    It sure as hell is not!  The BSOD is equivalent in VMS only to FATALo1    BUGCHECK _with_ the reboot switch set to HALT.   J    RWAST is a normal state processes go into and out of all the time, you 7    just don't notice until one stays there for a while.-  I    I've done tons of computing on a VMS system while some process was in  6    RWAST.  You can't do any processing under the BSOD.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 09:37:13 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e Subject: Setting HBA QueueDeptha3 Message-ID: <RIx5LwOSm2Cd@eisner.encompasserve.org>D  E 	Looking at HP's full disclosure on the EVA at storageperformance.comn 	I noticed this statement:    e http://www.storageperformance.org/Results/SPC-1/HP-EVA2C12D_2002-10-02/hp_EVA2C12D_FDR_2002-10-02.pdf'  J The only customer tuning parameter and/or option that was altered from itsM default value was the driver parameter "QueueDepth" for all Host Bus Adapters K (HBAs). The value was changed from the default value of 16 (decimal) to 128>
 (decimal).   ---2   	Questions are...a   	1)  How does this help?A 	2)  Any bad side-effects to setting HBA queue depths to 128 fromn 	    the default?a   				Robr   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 05:26:26 -0800' From: lkv@business.tele.dk (Lars Voigt) 6 Subject: Special characters. Postscript. fonts for GKS< Message-ID: <e33ef366.0211200526.33c43c4@posting.google.com>   Hi there    A I am using Fortran 77 and GKS for my applications running in VMS.E0 I export my files in postscript using IWSTYPE=61  B I would like to chnage the standard font to a font more similar to7 Times-Roman. I use GKS_SET_FONTPREC to change the font.u  E The problem is that when I change the font, the danish letters ,, -D is no longer printed in postscript. (they still appear on the screenG if I use IWSTYPE=16). Do I need some special postscript font definitions files ??    3 I really hope that someone can help meon this one!!0   med venlig hilsenm Lars   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2002 16:55:08 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) : Subject: Re: Special characters. Postscript. fonts for GKS0 Message-ID: <argepc$7p7$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  f In article <e33ef366.0211200526.33c43c4@posting.google.com>, lkv@business.tele.dk (Lars Voigt) writes:B >I am using Fortran 77 and GKS for my applications running in VMS.1 >I export my files in postscript using IWSTYPE=61d > C >I would like to chnage the standard font to a font more similar to 8 >Times-Roman. I use GKS_SET_FONTPREC to change the font. >IF >The problem is that when I change the font, the danish letters ,, E >is no longer printed in postscript. (they still appear on the screen:H >if I use IWSTYPE=16). Do I need some special postscript font definition	 >files ??f  J Not all fonts contain all characters. So it might be that your font simply; doesn't include any definitions for your Danish characters.e   >med venlig hilsen   Vaer so god     Christoph GartmannY  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 10:22:17 -08001 From: edward.heller@transcore.com (Edward Heller)v) Subject: TCPIP Services and Cluster Aliasr= Message-ID: <2d2038b7.0211201022.1a24b84d@posting.google.com>0  F I did come across our situation in a search of this Newsgroup, so I am looking for some guidance.F We have two DS10 Alphas running OpenVMS 7.3-1. Each Alpha has two NICs; connected to individual networks, such that Alpha1_NIC1 ands= Alpha2_NIC1 are connected and Alpha1_NIC2 and Alpha2_NIC2 are E connected. We are trying to configure the system so that computers onlA the "NIC1" network can access either Alphas using a TCPIP clusternE alias and computers on the "NIC2" network can access the Alphas using F a different cluster alias. The reason for this is that one network has> communications gear that needs to be on a private network (for? performance and security reasons), while the other network is a ? standard office configuration. The aliasing is to permit a warmhC failover without the need to reconfigure the rest of the network infC the event that one of the Alphas has a problem (understandably rareo4 for an Alpha, but these things do happen sometimes).C What I have tried so far is to use the TCPIP SET INTERFACE /CLUSTER D command to set the cluster alias. However it would appear that TCPIPD only allows one cluster alias, since, as soon as I define the second< alias, the first disappears from the SHOW INTERFACE display.= Interestingly, I can configure both aliases in the SET CONFIGr INTERFACE command." Any thoughts would be appreciated.  
 Edward HellerR TransCore ITS, Inc   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2002 13:23:03 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasm5 Message-ID: <arg2bm$i909n$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>D  ' In article <3DDAF110.76F6971D@fsi.net>,n4 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > J > What I find humorous is Windows is considered non-legacy. I got my first< > Windows system (V3.0) in 1991. That makes it 11 years old. > E > Also humorous is that Linux is considered non-legacy, while UN*X isd > considered legacy. 2  E I guess what is really needed here is a definition for "legacy" whichNI seems to mean differnt things to different people.  I have always assumedaJ "legacy" refered to OSes that while stagnant (development-wise) were stillE in use.  Examples would be things like Primos, RSX, RSTS, etc.  But ItC don't consider things that are still under constant development andeE improvement to be "legacy".  Examples being VMS and Unix (in all it'siD many flavors).  Of course, there are "legacy" examples of the above.= There are people still happily running VMS 5.5 and SYS-V R.2.   0 So, what exactly is the definition of "legacy"??   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:51:45 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasd. Message-ID: <3DDB9371.6FA15F21@mindspring.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  2 > So, what exactly is the definition of "legacy"??   It means practically nothing --n" it's just a pejorative term thrown" against whatever it is that you're marketing against.     Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:14:54 GMTN# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasVI Message-ID: <yNMC9.121941$oRV.12027@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>A  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message@/ news:arg2bm$i909n$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...  >tG > I guess what is really needed here is a definition for "legacy" which K > seems to mean differnt things to different people.  I have always assumed L > "legacy" refered to OSes that while stagnant (development-wise) were stillG > in use.  Examples would be things like Primos, RSX, RSTS, etc.  But InE > don't consider things that are still under constant development andrG > improvement to be "legacy".  Examples being VMS and Unix (in all it'stF > many flavors).  Of course, there are "legacy" examples of the above.? > There are people still happily running VMS 5.5 and SYS-V R.2.w >o2 > So, what exactly is the definition of "legacy"??  D In the United States, 'legacy' means exactly the same as 'liberal' - something to be intolerated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:36:33 +0000a2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hase4 Message-ID: <20021120143633.D19672@eisenschmidt.org>  B Unless the Voices are Mistaken, John Smith (a@nonymous.com) Wrote: > 7 > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messager1 > news:arg2bm$i909n$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...a > >oI > > I guess what is really needed here is a definition for "legacy" whichnM > > seems to mean differnt things to different people.  I have always assumedwN > > "legacy" refered to OSes that while stagnant (development-wise) were stillI > > in use.  Examples would be things like Primos, RSX, RSTS, etc.  But IgG > > don't consider things that are still under constant development and I > > improvement to be "legacy".  Examples being VMS and Unix (in all it'saH > > many flavors).  Of course, there are "legacy" examples of the above.A > > There are people still happily running VMS 5.5 and SYS-V R.2.  > >g4 > > So, what exactly is the definition of "legacy"?? > F > In the United States, 'legacy' means exactly the same as 'liberal' - > something to be intolerated.  . I think you're close, but you missed the mark.  A "Legacy", much like "liberal", is a loaded word that people throw D around to get votes in their favor. It is uttered as though it was aA profanity, when it's really just a (subjective) line in the sand.-  E As Bill pointed out, the makers of all things new and shiny are quickoC to call VMS or OS/400 "legacy" when they are in fact current. ThereiF are teams of full time developers clicking away to make them work with) the newest hardware coming down the pipe.e  B The nice thing about these sorts of words lies in their ambiguity.C Since they are subjective, the right spin makes them go 180 degreesSF the other way. For example: while liberals are perhaps something to beD intolerated, it's amazing how quickly a Republican becomes a Fascist> when left unchecked (like our current, fake president). And weE remember the last time we had Fascists in power running around, don'tp we?r   -- a/ John W. Eisenschmidt (jweisen@eisenschmidt.org)e.   http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/pgp.html  C "Trying to create source code from compiled code is like trying to bB  convert 'hamburger' back into 'cow.'"           -Dave Navarro Jr.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 06:39:55 -0800- From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell)a1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has(< Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0211200639.d9ac4c7@posting.google.com>  $ The IT definition of legacy is this:@ A system in which a company or organization has already investedE considerable time and money. Typically, legacy systems are mainframesy or minicomputers.   = Why does legacy have a negative connotation?  Because, peoplea0 associate legacy with the commom use definition:3 Something transmitted by or received from the past.   F We know UNIX is older than VMS.  We know that in many of the important? enterprise computing criteria VMS is better.  For HPTC, UNIX is D possibly a better choice.  So why does the market place not consider UNIX legacy?  F It is my opinion that VMS and MVS established themselves in the marketC first as enterprise computing systems.  UNIX gained popularity more07 recently as an enterprise platform, thus being "newer".i  E I think a beneficial marketing strategy for VMS is to have a timelineiD comparing its birth with UNIX and having major features listed, like: clustering.  Also, highlight how it keeps current with newE technologies like web-serving (Apache), SOAP, XML, Java, and others. rE And, how its unique design provides better availability and security.g  C Finally, I would recommend a revitialization of the college program2D with some focus on monies for colleges to have courses on leveragingA the beneficial features of OpenVMS, like clustering, DLM, ASTs...    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:39:27 GMT:2 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@bogus.address>1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasiE Message-ID: <3VOC9.1836$uI6.1732@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>e  ? "John Eisenschmidt" <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote in messaget. news:20021120143633.D19672@eisenschmidt.org...D > The nice thing about these sorts of words lies in their ambiguity.E > Since they are subjective, the right spin makes them go 180 degreeseH > the other way. For example: while liberals are perhaps something to beF > intolerated, it's amazing how quickly a Republican becomes a Fascist@ > when left unchecked (like our current, fake president). And weG > remember the last time we had Fascists in power running around, don'tp > we?   + Honestly, do we need this kind of trolling?t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:42:43 -0800a' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>a1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasn8 Message-ID: <20021120084243.3c72d2b1.mathog@caltech.edu>  " On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:51:45 -05003 Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:r   > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 4 > > So, what exactly is the definition of "legacy"?? > ! > It means practically nothing --h$ > it's just a pejorative term thrown$ > against whatever it is that you're > marketing against.  : A legacy system is a customer's existing, working, system.> The term "legacy" is used as pejorative by a vendor attemptingA to defame these known solutions so that customers will migrate toeA the vendor's own incompatible products.  Some vendors are so daftiD that they apply this term to their own products.  Such vendors ceaseI to exist.  Two such companies have already proven this point, and a thirdn@ seems well on its way to recapitulating this sad bit of history.  > Legacy systems earn that title because they get the job done. = Ideally, an ITS department would contain only legacy systems!t   Regards,     David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:45:31 +0000p' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasa. Message-ID: <3DDBBC2B.3050208@nospamn.sun.com>   Jason O'Donnell wrote:& > The IT definition of legacy is this:B > A system in which a company or organization has already investedG > considerable time and money. Typically, legacy systems are mainframeso > or minicomputers.o > ? > Why does legacy have a negative connotation?  Because, peopleS2 > associate legacy with the commom use definition:5 > Something transmitted by or received from the past.i > H > We know UNIX is older than VMS.  We know that in many of the importantA > enterprise computing criteria VMS is better.  For HPTC, UNIX isnF > possibly a better choice.  So why does the market place not consider > UNIX legacy? > H > It is my opinion that VMS and MVS established themselves in the marketE > first as enterprise computing systems.  UNIX gained popularity mored9 > recently as an enterprise platform, thus being "newer".e > G > I think a beneficial marketing strategy for VMS is to have a timelinedF > comparing its birth with UNIX and having major features listed, like< > clustering.  Also, highlight how it keeps current with newG > technologies like web-serving (Apache), SOAP, XML, Java, and others. .G > And, how its unique design provides better availability and security.  >   + Why highlight something that isn't true ???t  8 OpenVMS isn't current with the new technologies that you# mention, thats one of the problems.s  0 Its JVM lags Tru64 and the other UNIX platforms.  . It has a limitted choice of web servers making0 it unsuitable for a lot of web applications that( are built on top of specific web stacks.  7 OpenVMS SOAP from Compaq are based on Apache code, fine 2 but the version that Compaq supports is based on a7 May 2001 code drop and not on the current 2.3.1 releaset8 and there are a lot of changes and bug fixes in between.  E > Finally, I would recommend a revitialization of the college programeF > with some focus on monies for colleges to have courses on leveragingC > the beneficial features of OpenVMS, like clustering, DLM, ASTs...B   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:40:34 +0000g2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has 3 Message-ID: <20021120174034.D3120@eisenschmidt.org>e  Q Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Stephen Eickhoff (operagost@bogus.address) Wrote:r > A > "John Eisenschmidt" <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote in messagea0 > news:20021120143633.D19672@eisenschmidt.org...F > > The nice thing about these sorts of words lies in their ambiguity.G > > Since they are subjective, the right spin makes them go 180 degrees J > > the other way. For example: while liberals are perhaps something to beH > > intolerated, it's amazing how quickly a Republican becomes a FascistB > > when left unchecked (like our current, fake president). And weI > > remember the last time we had Fascists in power running around, don'tg > > we?e > - > Honestly, do we need this kind of trolling?i   He started it, dad.i  E Besides being smug, I was making a point: any decent marking firm can F turn one persons opinion around on them and use it to their advantage.F Someone calling VMS "legacy" can be marketed against as "immature" and "unproven".   @ And thus, the post transubstantiates from "troll" to "on-topic".   -- i/ John W. Eisenschmidt (jweisen@eisenschmidt.org)t.   http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/pgp.html  7 [The Onion -> Horoscopes] Aquarius: (Jan. 20--Feb. 18)  L      If a really good roast-beef melt isn't the best sandwich in the world, *      Aquarius would like to know what is.    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:55:59 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasu5 Message-ID: <argibf$icp3l$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>e  E In article <3VOC9.1836$uI6.1732@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,95 	"Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@bogus.address> writes:- > - > Honestly, do we need this kind of trolling?0  r7 Thw fastest way to kill a troll is to not feed it......v   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:35:55 -0800k$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>1 Subject: RE: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasr0 Message-ID: <01C29080.9ED618C0@sulfer.icius.com>  G Simple: Legacy is anything the salesman you're talking to thinks he can = scare you into replacing, and buying the replacement off him.d   Shanee   -----Original Message-----0 From: bill@cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@cs.uofs.edu]* Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:23 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasy    ' In article <3DDAF110.76F6971D@fsi.net>,d4 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > J > What I find humorous is Windows is considered non-legacy. I got my first< > Windows system (V3.0) in 1991. That makes it 11 years old. > E > Also humorous is that Linux is considered non-legacy, while UN*X ist > considered legacy. a  E I guess what is really needed here is a definition for "legacy" which1A seems to mean differnt things to different people.  I have alwaysa assumedjD "legacy" refered to OSes that while stagnant (development-wise) were stilliE in use.  Examples would be things like Primos, RSX, RSTS, etc.  But IlC don't consider things that are still under constant development andsE improvement to be "legacy".  Examples being VMS and Unix (in all it'saD many flavors).  Of course, there are "legacy" examples of the above.= There are people still happily running VMS 5.5 and SYS-V R.2.o  0 So, what exactly is the definition of "legacy"??   bill   -- 2C Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three> wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:23:39 -0500h# From: "Island" <sales@islandco.com>.+ Subject: We need your XP1000 500Mhz Systemse/ Message-ID: <utn6pbmkbfie8d@news.supernews.com>l  3 We are actively buying quantities of XP1000 systems , Systems should be working in good condition. No disk or memory is required.# Defective boxes will be considered.d   Thanks   -- David B Turner	 Sales Dpte Island Computers US Corporationg 2700 Gregory Streeta	 Suite 180o Savannah GA 31404  USAg Tel: 912 447 6622l Fax: 912 201 0096n sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:49:21 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>8 Subject: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter6 Message-ID: <200211200749.IAA15407@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  ? in case of buildung up a new system with OpenVMS 7.3-1, I woulds= like to know what the best value for CHANNELCNT. Should it asc> big as possible? Or should it be small (min CHANNELCNT=FILLM)? What are the rules?t   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2002 06:45 CSTb' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)u< Subject: Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter- Message-ID: <20NOV200206451723@gerg.tamu.edu>s  * Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes... }Hello,o } @ }in case of buildung up a new system with OpenVMS 7.3-1, I would> }like to know what the best value for CHANNELCNT. Should it as? }big as possible? Or should it be small (min CHANNELCNT=FILLM)?t }What are the rules? }  }TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert,  B I don't know that there are any specific rules, other than settingA it to at least the valuye of the largest FILLM, although one rule C used to be that the default was never enough (on V7.2-1 the default # is 256 - this is often not enough).   C You would ideally want it to be as big as you need it to be but not05 any bigger. This is, of course, not really helpfull. d  D You might check the information for any additional software you willC be installing. Some software recommends higher settings (I know SASlH recommended setting it to 400 because my notes in modparams.dat say so).  D I would suggest at least 400. You might check your sysuaf values andE set it to be at least 5 higher (just in case) than the highest FILLM,0E or 400 - whichever is higher. I don't think that setting it a bit toolD high will waste much in the way of resources, but setting it too low? will probably make you wish you had been willing to waste them.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:28:30 -0000a2 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>< Subject: Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter4 Message-ID: <arg62j$pc7$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in messager0 news:200211200749.IAA15407@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, >aA > in case of buildung up a new system with OpenVMS 7.3-1, I woulds? > like to know what the best value for CHANNELCNT. Should it as @ > big as possible? Or should it be small (min CHANNELCNT=FILLM)? > What are the rules?e   Uses p1 memory obviously. L The default value is mostly adequate, although backup throughput can benefitL from (much) larger values. Tuning for backup to go flat out can impact otherI areas though (eg, the cluster can complain about quorum disk unreachable,I etc).o   ChrisA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:54:13 +0100 8 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com>/ Subject: Where can I find patches to my system?c. Message-ID: <arg7ml$1ho8$1@news2.ipartners.pl>   i.e. V7.2-1H1.E I have tried www.compaq.com, but I was unable to find any link to VMSp patches.   TIA for your answers   T. D.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:40:07 GMTl From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1> 3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system?C2 Message-ID: <r1OC9.11$Zx1.289962@news.cpqcorp.net>  C "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message ( news:arg7ml$1ho8$1@news2.ipartners.pl... > i.e. V7.2-1H1.G > I have tried www.compaq.com, but I was unable to find any link to VMS 
 > patches. >  > TIA for your answers >e > T. D.  >l  Hello  = ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1h1   ) or the more user-friendly australian site ? http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/a721h1.htm?   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:11:15 +0100c5 From: "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>k3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system?e$ Message-ID: <3ddbb440@news.euriware>  7 http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1H1/     J "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> a crit dans le message, de news: arg7ml$1ho8$1@news2.ipartners.pl... > i.e. V7.2-1H1.G > I have tried www.compaq.com, but I was unable to find any link to VMSs
 > patches. >  > TIA for your answers >f > T. D.s >  >u   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:09:40 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>m3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system?h6 Message-ID: <20021120170940.18906.qmail@nym.alias.net>  G On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com>  wrote: >i.e. V7.2-1H1.aF >I have tried www.compaq.com, but I was unable to find any link to VMS	 >patches.o  ) Here's where I'd look for that version...   ? http://riogrande.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/a721h1d.htmt  I This gives a list in reverse chronological order which is *really* handy.2     Doc. -- 16 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nets   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:58:25 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>A3 Subject: Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstratedxK Message-ID: <BJwC9.139312$MGm1.124125@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>a  0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:utkli3ivrlu44e@news.supernews.com...s >QJ > It's worth noting that AMD was one of the main sponsors of Dave Cutler's > racing team this year.    L Gee, does this mean that if you sponsor or provide seed money, equipment, or7 software to ISV's that they will port to your hardware?   L I wonder if HP has heard of this concept with respect to VMS?  Probably, but' they've decided to do nothing about it.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:29:41 GMTg# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>2; Subject: Would HP ever do something like this for VMS? Nah!mJ Message-ID: <pwQC9.145098$MGm1.98013@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,687469,00.asp   11, 2002+ Chubby Gets Jiggy at HP Party for Tablet PCa1 (or how to earn $10,000 per hour while you dance)t   By  Spencer F. Katts    K Attendees rocked out in the Big Apple's Hudson Theater as rock legends Gary J U.S. Bonds, Chubby Checker and the Shirelles helped Hewlett-Packard launchJ its Compaq Tablet PC last week. The audience was also treated to host DickL Clark, of "American Bandstand" fame, quizzing HP execs on music trivia. "WhoH knew company Prez Michael Capellas knew so much about the Jackson Five,"I cackled the Kitty. The crowd really cut loose when Chubby Checker invited/K them on stage with him as he performed "The Twist." The Furball interpretedlL Capellas' movements as something closely resembling the twist, but it was HPL CEO Carly Fiorina's bump dance with Checker that drew cheers from the crowd.  J Later, when Fiorina asked the audience, "Is this a sexy product, or what?"J El Gato was pretty sure it had been the dancing-not the demo-that prompted6 an audience member to yell back, "You're sexy, Carly!"   --------------------  H Bet the cost of this little party was twice the annual VMS marketing and advertising budget.i  L Way to go Carly. Care to bet there won't be pics of her at this event in the annual report to shareholders?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:02:42 GMT / From: Richard Heggs <richardSPAMh@mailSPAM.com> Y Subject: [SOLVED] [ISH] Re: Error mounting CDROM on VAXstation 3100/M38, OpenVMS 7.2 7.27e= Message-ID: <CNwC9.133755$Yb1.135757@sea-read.news.verio.net>a   Shane Smith wrote:  G > Toshes have always worked from the box for me, but I'm told there's a H > jumper you need to set to make it 512-byte blocks. Also check the SCSID > chain is terminated properly. I prefer active termination if I can2 > arrange it, seems to have a better success rate.  F Well, I took the coward's way out and pinched the drive out of a Bull H PPC box I just remembered about.  This one works like a charm, although > I imagine I've just given it the kiss of death by saying that.  & Thanks to everyone who offered advice!  2 > Finally, try sacrificing a hamster at full moon.  H Ah yes, the old hamster sacrifice trick.  Oddly enough, this also works 9 when trying to reconfigure clustering on Bull Escalas. :)a   Richard    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.642 ************************