1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 643       Contents: Re: ACME agent interface/ ANN: GRAB added to HG/Process freeware archives  Re: Attaching files on VMSmail Re: Attaching files on VMSmail+ RE: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail % RE: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates  Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi-/ DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?  Re: edit/edt/commandP Re: Enterprise Ressource Planning systems (like SAP, PeopleSoft, BaaN, ...) and P Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before you write it write % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure  Re: Gnat Ada for VMS1 Re: How to delete a command from the DCL-Tables ? - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. % Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ? Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha??? C Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha??? 8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 AlphaP Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on wP Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on w- Re: Java runtime error trying to access a URL - Re: Java runtime error trying to access a URL  Re: Linux for Alpha/VAX $ Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!$ Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!$ Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!! Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS , Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread) Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1 Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1! PHP sybase_ct module availability % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance  Re: RSYNC for OpenVMS ?  Re: RSYNC for OpenVMS ? 1 Re: Scheduler - how to re-instate an entry number  Re: SHOW SYSTEM bug VAX-VMS 7.2 1 Re: Special characters. Postscript. fonts for GKS $ Re: TCPIP Services and Cluster Alias
 Test 6[OU@( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has( Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP has Re: VS3100 help, please.5 Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor) 5 Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor) 3 Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter 3 Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter * Re: Where can I find patches to my system?* RE: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated* Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated* Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 21:14:07 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: ACME agent interface 3 Message-ID: <9d7dgvMT6Y$5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <9qYofmaNc1yH@ludens>, tiz@ludens.elte.hu (Toth Istvan Zoltan) writes:   J >   We should to write an own ACME agent but in documentation (ProgrammingK >   Concepts) ive read that this interface isn't available for public yet.  " >   Do you know anything about it?  C Send mail to Leo Demers at HP requesting to be considered when they C get around to field testing it.  If you don't want Field Test level 9 quality, wait until they announce it in a future release.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:15:40 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) 8 Subject: ANN: GRAB added to HG/Process freeware archives1 Message-ID: <3ddc40ee.172884384@news.process.com>   F Graham Burley's <burley@encompasserve.com> GRAB utility has been addedF to my freeware archives.  This is the first brand-new package added toH the archives in over a year.  Thanks to Graham for permission to include it.    http://www.process.com/openvms/   4 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/grab.zip9 http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/grab.zip 0 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/grab.zip  ? And the usual mirrors.  Here is Graham's original announcement:   E >GRAB is a search utility for VMS, the main features of interest are:   B > o Search using wildcard search strings (* and %) using /WILDCARDF > o Extract windows or sections by search strings using /CUT=(s1[,s2])4 > o Incremental processing using /CONTEXT and /LIMITD > o Scripting support using /SAVE to save information in DCL symbols  C >Source distribution including help file and example procedures can  >be downloaded from here:   3 > http://www.encompasserve.org/~burley/grab_src.zip   " >Requires DEC C or VAX C to build.  B >This is version 0.21, the first to be released into the wild, I'd >be grateful for any feedback.  / >%HOBBYIST-?-CODE, coded by an OpenVMS hobbyist      Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:52:25 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail / Message-ID: <3DDBE7F7.7ECECC09@vl.videotron.ca>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: ? > To my knowledge, there is no requirement that the user agents A > display such messages properly or allow their clients to create G > messages with such long lines.  But the transport service is required  > to handle them properly.  K Although it is not a MUST, there are plenty of indications in the RFCs that N each line must be terminated with a <CR><LF> and that lines should be about 8- characters (fit on a screen).   M Microsoft decided to mis-interpret the internet culture and decided to encode H paragraphs as a single line. (or rather, didn't bother to split its textT buffers as separate lines). As a rtesult, the 1000 character lines have been abused.  H I think that the 1000 character buffer  was not intended for "paragraphsL encided as a sintle line" but rather to provide the ability to send listings0 and wide data/tables. (where each line is long).   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 06:18:36 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail 3 Message-ID: <KfaMX$Z2G+A$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3DDB4D86.46B0C9A3@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: R >> > Lets assume that such a "plugin" would allow one to attach files when sending >> > a VMSmail message.  >> > > * > It depends on what you meen by "attach". > > > A plain text file with <80 char lines can just be "attached" > as-is. > ? > Any binary file (or a text file with lines > 80 char) must be B > coded in a manner that lets mail servers pass it through without@ > truncating or wrapping. One such tool that works just fine, is% > MFTU (Mail File Transfer Utilitu) :   A The minimum line length that must be supported by conforming SMTP # implementations is 1000 characters.   = To my knowledge, there is no requirement that the user agents ? display such messages properly or allow their clients to create E messages with such long lines.  But the transport service is required  to handle them properly.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:10:49 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 4 Subject: RE: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAENFGBAA.tom@kednos.com>    Ah.  Thanks.     >-----Original Message----- : >From: Martin Vorlaender [mailto:martin@radiogaga.harz.de]+ >Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:59 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 >Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail  >  > # >Tom Linden (tom@kednos.com) wrote:  >> Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:B >> >That's what MPACK/MUNPACK does for you, add all RFC headers to< >> >properly markup the plaintext part and any attachements. >>/ >> I didn't find a VMS version at the cmu site.  > $ >It's on the OpenVMS Freeware CD v5. > 9 >That version also is downloadable via anonymous FTP from ) >ftp.pdv-systeme.de in /vms/mpack15.zip .  >  >cu,	 >  Martin  >-- C >                        | Martin Vorlaender | VMS & WNT programmer 2 > OpenVMS: Where do you  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deE > want to BE today?      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 9 >                        | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:46:58 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> . Subject: RE: Capellas was offered job by GatesT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B7D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John,   B >>> the feeling was at the time that Alpha for the desktop was tooE expensive a proposition vs. Intel and that Alpha desktop volume would  not grow much.<<<   B Well, it certainly would not grow volume if the company making theE software does not even respond to fixing basic things like shipping a : product with the debug code loaded throughout the product.  F That's just an example of the difficulty one has in dealing with an OSA vendor who is basically not interested in your platform, but will 4 tolerate it if you are willing to pay all the bills.  F I hope I am wrong, but I suspect other HW platform providers are about to find this out the hard way.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)        -----Original Message-----+ From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20  Sent: November 20, 2002 9:21 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates      2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B79@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .   H Microsoft was real interested in Alpha client software all right. That'sB why they never released an updated version of WORD on the NT-AlphaE platform that fixed the issue of the Alpha NT V1.0 WORD version being C shipped with all of the debug code still loaded in it (you know the G stuff that kills performance, but is loaded for debugging functionality D prob's). I was part of the NT Wizards with Digital at the time  - We$ screamed... But the rest is history.   --------   Kerry,  	 <hearsay> D My understanding is that there was nothing in the agreements betweenC Digital/Microsoft that explicitly called for desktop products to be A shipped on Alpha, much less version parity with Intel releases. I F believe that the deal was for server-side NT and not much beyond that.D IIRC, the feeling was at the time that Alpha for the desktop was tooE expensive a proposition vs. Intel and that Alpha desktop volume would  not grow much.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:13:47 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates/ Message-ID: <3DDC0910.AEF857ED@vl.videotron.ca>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:D > Well, it certainly would not grow volume if the company making theG > software does not even respond to fixing basic things like shipping a < > product with the debug code loaded throughout the product.  H > I hope I am wrong, but I suspect other HW platform providers are about  > to find this out the hard way.  K had Digital made serious attempts at marketing and growing Alpha, I suspect   things would be quite different.  M For AMD, it is a win-win situation. It will be able to claim "volume" for its L hammer line because one or more models will be made for volume desktops. AndK it will be able to claim "compatibility" because it will continue to run 32  bit wintel code.  N This will be a much easier entry into the 64 bit market for microsoft comparedU to the lethargic IA64 that has a totally different philosophy/architecture/compilers.     L In a way, I really hope that IA64 not only fails, but also brings down IntelK with it. What is left of the IT industry will have learnt their lessons to  ' 	1-not put all yor eggs in one basket,  @ 	2-compete, instead of donate all your wares to your competitor.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:19:20 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by GatesJ Message-ID: <YLUC9.148788$MGm1.48114@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B7D@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. John,   B >>> the feeling was at the time that Alpha for the desktop was tooE expensive a proposition vs. Intel and that Alpha desktop volume would  not grow much.<<<   B Well, it certainly would not grow volume if the company making theE software does not even respond to fixing basic things like shipping a : product with the debug code loaded throughout the product.  F That's just an example of the difficulty one has in dealing with an OSA vendor who is basically not interested in your platform, but will 4 tolerate it if you are willing to pay all the bills.  F I hope I am wrong, but I suspect other HW platform providers are about to find this out the hard way.  	 ---------    Kerry,   Why hope that you are wrong?  J If you are correct it only serves to level the playing field and screw allL HW vendors equally. In that way, the HW vendors can compete on the merits ofL their designs and not which software they run. Maybe that's what HP has been6 hoping for in its rush to kill VMS by a thousand cuts.  G I suspect that had Digital sent the 'we are committed to Alpha' message K during that time period, Microsoft would have stepped up to the plate. They J have a history of spending money, taking risks with all manner of things -G some new to them and 'stolen', some innovative, and doing many of these L 'projects' simultaneously, so 64-bit NT and a fully debugged Office suite onJ Alpha were not beyond the realm of the possible. But GQ Bob sent the wrong	 messages.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:14:39 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: CD-RW: Plextor PX-W124TSi- ' Message-ID: <3DDC4F9F.9D3B3FC5@fsi.net>   
 VAXVMS wrote:  >  > Okay, here's the lowdown:  > 1 > I used the LDDRIVER from David Dachtera's site-  > 	 > link on / > http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html#cdrcdvms  >  > points to 0 > http://www.djesys.com/vms/freeware.html#lddrvr  E F.Y.I.: The OpenVMS Freeware CD area at HPaq has LD063 which has some C neat new stuff in it that I have yet to examine. What I have is the E older LD062. Full functional, but I've no way of knowing which future H VMS release will "break" it. One can only hope that it will be available< for IA64/Hammer/whatever-ends-up-actually-getting-to-market.   > [snip]   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:15:45 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>8 Subject: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?@ Message-ID: <20021120211545.71472.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   Click   ) http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.html    Regards    FC     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:19:50 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> < Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?' Message-ID: <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>    Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Click  > + > http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.html   E Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at OpenVMS,  don't count on it.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 21:19:25 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?3 Message-ID: <ssxM6HPPGeOu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Fabio Cardoso wrote: >>   >> Click >>  , >> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.html > G > Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at OpenVMS,  > don't count on it.  7 I would not count it out as being technically possible.   D Certainly HP would not provide technical support, but it is possible9 you might be able to buy a license (and not get support).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:20:26 -0600 0 From: Earl Lakia <Lakia_n_o__s_p_a_m_@ipact.com> Subject: Re: edit/edt/command 1 Message-ID: <tbWcnZLgGaXSl0GgXTWcpg@netnitco.net>    Vivek Soni wrote: ' > what is  /command for in a .com file.  >  > edit/edt/command >  >  >  > 6 Since the file specified to the /command is read after5 the file is opened,  you can use it to do some global 4 search and replace such as in a batch job to convert6 some occurance of a string in all of your source code.  8 I used this for converting some FORTRAN in this fashion.   -earl    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:16:42 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Y Subject: Re: Enterprise Ressource Planning systems (like SAP, PeopleSoft, BaaN, ...) and  @ Message-ID: <20021120211642.91249.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>   Try    www.rossinc.com   D I am not sure but they would have ERP Renaissance's for OpenVMS ! !    Regards    FC  6 --- Ives Van Meenen <ivesvanmeenen@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi all > > > I am doing a research in ERP systems and project management. > @ > Therefore I am looking for people that were involved in an ERP > project, for an interview. > H > If anyone knows project managers or other people that were involved in% > an ERP project, please let me know.  > F > I am located in Sweden, in Vxj. Also, if you know companies around6 > Vxj that have implemented ERP, please let me know. >  > Best regards >  > Ives Van Meenen  > (Belgian student in Sweden)      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:14:40 GMT & From: Curtis Rempel <curtis@telus.net>Y Subject: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before you write it write  ; Message-ID: <Q4ZC9.15735$Cn2.1719207@news2.telusplanet.net>   I Just a heads up if you're considering writing this certification exam in   the near future.  I I wrote it today and after the first few questions, I began to wonder if  F I was writing the correct exam as the questions were thus far Windows F and NetWare related.  Of course I thought that was odd since the Exam G Guide for 010-627 on the HP certification website clearly says OpenVMS  I all over the place without a single mention of Windows or NetWare.  So I  B plodded along and was subsequently diverted into the evil land of < SANworks Secure Path questions for Windows and NetWare.  :-(  E The other strange thing is that other OpenVMS exams I've written all  I allow for you to "mark" and review questions at the end.  As well, every  E question has a "Next" and "Previous" question button.  This exam had  E neither capability and when I finished the last question it promptly  H told me I had not passed the exam without a chance to review any of the , questions or click on the "End Exam" button.  H After I had explained this strange (!) exam content to the examiner (as H well as the fact that there was no opportunity for reviewing questions) D I was told that it did indeed seem strange to her and that I should G contact Prometric and Compaq to discuss a rewrite (this is still known  G as a Compaq exam according to Prometric even though the HP website now  9 shows it is an HP exam as well as in the exam guide PDF).   C As I was explaining this matter to Compaq/HP (BTW, their new email  D address, certification.americas@hp.com, does not work despite being @ listed on the website and also being the address you get in the B confirmation email when you apply for a certification through the H website.  The old address, NorthAmericaCAP@hp.com, still works though I H found out), I reflected back on the exam and realized that there was in D fact no VMS questions on the exam at all!  Then I got thinking that H maybe what had happened is that since 010-627 is a new exam, just maybe ? they did a poor cut/paste job on an existing exam, say 010-629  H (Windows/NetWare and HSx80), did a global replace on Windows/NetWare to D OpenVMS, and added the VMS outline to the exam guide, replacing any E Windows/NetWare specific stuff in the outline.  I took a look at the  G 010-629 (Windows/NetWare) Exam Guide and sure enough, it's verbatim to  H the VMS 010-627 exam with the exception at the end in Module 8 where it F says "OpenVMS Host Configuration".  That leads me to believe that the F exam pool questions haven't been touched at all - I probably actually I wrote the 010-629 exam questions even though it says OpenVMS on the exam  G result sheet.   Looking at the exam result sheet, none of the sections  G use VMS anywhere - in fact, the last 3 sections on the result page are  I called "SANworks Secure Path" (which does not apply to VMS), "Windows NT  @ 4.0 and Windows 2000 Host Configuration", and "NetWare 5.x Host  Configuration".    So, from what I can gather,   / a) there seems to be a case of sloppy cut/paste F b) the exam questions are actually the same ones from the 010-629 poolH c) Compaq was attempting to brainwash VMS folks into Windows (followups  to alt.conspiracy please)  d) both a) and b)   ? Whatever the case, there certainly seems to be a QA issue here.   I Anyway, I'm going to discuss it with whomever is on the other end of the  G certification phone line these days (Compaq or HP) and see if they can  E figure out why we need to know Windows/NetWare specific stuff for an   OpenVMS specific exam :-)   I Thought I'd post this to warn anybody considering writing this exam that  F you may want to hold off for a bit, or study up lots on the billyware   stuff ;-)  <cough, gag, sputter>   Curtis   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:17:56 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond). Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure0 Message-ID: <EdRC9.1$zC.145530@news.cpqcorp.net>  9 In article <c7hntuslqrkauu2oogdemfm03tf3ennm0v@4ax.com>,  ( David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:  P >Well, Charlie, I happen to agree with you that not using the closing apostropheL >is poor programming practice, even when it works. However, the two guys whoQ >"wrote the book" on DCL programming (Writing Real Programs in DCL) disagree with P >you and me, and have a long discourse on the cases when a closing apostrophe is3 >actually required, ending with the following view:  > Q >"Trailing apostrophes will be used in this book only when necessary, because the P >authors believe this convention improves the readability of command procedures,H >even though it means the programmer must remember the foregoing rules."  N Hoff and I do not agree on everything -- a fact which does not diminish eitherL my respect for him or whatever respect he may, in one of his kinder moments, have for me.  M As for leaving of trailing apostrophes because it "improves the readability", J well, I disagree.  At best it is neutral; much or the time it distracts meH because it looks like a mistake.  Did the coder just forget the trailing8 apostrophe?  Or was something more subsantial forgotten?   --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:43:52 GMT 8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond). Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure0 Message-ID: <skMC9.2$Bs1.32801@news.cpqcorp.net>  B I believe that the stated rules for DCL syntax REQUIRE the closingC apostrophy (') for symbol substitution  ("Apostrophy" is also often D called "single quote").  The exact wording I found said "encolsed in apostrophes(')."  C The current implemenation of DCL relaxes this requirement and works C without the closing apostrophy in many cases.  It is unlikely that  A this will change -- it would break a lot of procedures.  However, @ while I know of no plans or reason to change, this is no formal # commitment to continue this either.   0 Using the closing apostrophy will always work.  4 I regard NOT using it as poor programming practice.   D FWIW, DCL_CHECK will report missing closing apostrophes as an error.   --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 21:36:09 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Gnat Ada for VMS 3 Message-ID: <8QFTjqANY0uM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3ddbcc61$1@news.swissonline.ch>, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> writes: > Hello, > H > when we complained, about Compaq would stopping the support for CompaqL > Ada83, Compaq replied with full right, why we could not use Gnat Ada as an > alternative.  ? Although they have announced they will not port Compaq Ada83 to A Itanium, I do not see that as a reason to stop using it on Alpha. < There are too many mission-critical customers who need it on Alpha for them to stop support.   L > Now, I'm able to start a list of weak points of this compiler, gathered in > our own porting process: > I > 1) The Gnat Ada compiler is incredible slow in comaprison to the Compaq  > Ada83 compiler. K >      When it took about 2 and a half hours to build our whole system with  > Ada83, we can be3 >      glad if we manage the same in 24h with Gnat! N > 2) We make use of very complex variant rekord defintions. Where Compaq Ada83
 > compilesM >      those in a view seconds, the Gnat compiler needs incredible amounts of  > memory and time K >      to perform the same task. In our last attempt, we configured 1 GB of  > virtual memory forJ >      the compiler to use. But it still run out of memory. We will not we > able to avoid code/ >      modifications to make it pass this code.  > H > These are the points till now. I let you know, when more are occuring.  J I presume you have informed ACT.  Please be sure to inform VMS Development at HP as well.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:10:17 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>: Subject: Re: How to delete a command from the DCL-Tables ?8 Message-ID: <p9nntucevuqg9epoo31vsltvu9q7nt2gro@4ax.com>  C On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:29:25 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   f >In article <argjh8$6f2$1@news.dtag.de>, "Thomas Egenberger" <thomas.egenberger@technidata.de> writes:  < >>How can I delete the old java command from the DCL Table ? >>And maybe > >>How can I make the new command to be part of the DCL-Table ?  C >$ SET COMMAND/DELETE=JAVA/TABLE=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE - , >_$ /OUTPUT=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE >  > A >$ SET COMMAND JAVA.CLD /TABLE=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE - , >_$ /OUTPUT=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE   ...followed by: 2 $ install replace sys$common:[syslib]dcltables.exe  M repeated on each node, if a VMScluster. Any active logged in user must either  log out and back in, or   5 $ set command /table=sys$common:[syslib]dcltables.exe   K Possible "gotcha" -- insufficient free global pages or sections. Worst case 0 scenario: reboot after the SET COMMAND commands.I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 13:06:04 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) 6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.= Message-ID: <8a646952.0211201306.76cfcaee@posting.google.com>   k Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote in message news:<howard-FE2775.21452419112002@enews.newsguy.com>... ? > In article <8a646952.0211191322.17547e42@posting.google.com>, ; >  jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) wrote:  > I > > It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when your F > > still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulum > > will swing back. > H > What makes you think time is a pendulum?  VMS's time has passed.  The K > 1980s are over.  It was fun while it lasted, but it's -done-.  HP can go   > fuck itself.   Howard,   ? Please remember, someone out there is buying IBM mainframes!!!!    Daryl Jones    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 13:10:47 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) 6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.= Message-ID: <8a646952.0211201310.5bd7c5dc@posting.google.com>   h Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3DDB91BC.F4AB8D40@mindspring.com>... > Daryl Jones wrote: > I > > It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when your F > > still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulum > > will swing back. > 5 > The first step, of course, in making the transition 2 > to another O/S is realizing that each have their2 > strong points and their weak points. Calling the1 > other O/S funny names may make you feel better, 2 > but it probably won't help get your attitude set3 > appropriately to land a job using that other O/S.  > " > Important Solaris strong points: > ( >   o You can still find a new job based >     on that O/S. > & >   o Your vendor actually believes in/ >     what they're selling and isn't constantly . >     stabbing you in the back promoting other >     systems over yours.  >  > Atlant   Atlant,   A Good point! However, after seeing 2.6 millions dollars spent on a C Solaris solution when there was a VMS solution in place and VMS was > faster. I wonder. Solaris will have their hay-day and pass on.   Daryl Jones    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:44:28 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.. Message-ID: <3DDB91BC.F4AB8D40@mindspring.com>   Daryl Jones wrote:  G > It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when yourhD > still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulum > will swing back.  3 The first step, of course, in making the transition 0 to another O/S is realizing that each have their0 strong points and their weak points. Calling the/ other O/S funny names may make you feel better,-0 but it probably won't help get your attitude set1 appropriately to land a job using that other O/S.d    Important Solaris strong points:  &   o You can still find a new job based     on that O/S.  $   o Your vendor actually believes in-     what they're selling and isn't constantlyt,     stabbing you in the back promoting other     systems over yours.A   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:17:11 -0000o! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>e6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now./ Message-ID: <uto5vn2egpk045@corp.supernews.com>   3 Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote: H :> It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when yourE :> still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulumo :> will swing back.   5 : The first step, of course, in making the transition,2 : to another O/S is realizing that each have their2 : strong points and their weak points. Calling the  % VMS is only big right now in terms oft  & 1 Defense contracts for legacy systems' 2 Porting and migration work _from_ VMSo  A VMS is a fine o/s but so was Beta format.  I honestly don't thinkrB the pendulum will ever swing back, though I wish it would.  VMS is) a much better o/s than Unix, Linux or NT.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:29:25 -0500a* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.2 Message-ID: <xbucncTLQoJOh0GgXTWcpQ@metrocast.net>  D "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message7 news:8a646952.0211201306.76cfcaee@posting.google.com... 4 > Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote in message8 news:<howard-FE2775.21452419112002@enews.newsguy.com>...A > > In article <8a646952.0211191322.17547e42@posting.google.com>, = > >  jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) wrote:e > >lK > > > It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when your H > > > still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulum > > > will swing back. > >nI > > What makes you think time is a pendulum?  VMS's time has passed.  TherL > > 1980s are over.  It was fun while it lasted, but it's -done-.  HP can go > > fuck itself. >u	 > Howard,l > A > Please remember, someone out there is buying IBM mainframes!!!!   F But are you really holding your breath waiting for *their* pendulum toG 'swing back'?  Even though IBM is doing creative things with them (likeyE using them to run zillions of Linux images) that HP shows no interestt! whatsoever in exploring with VMS?e   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:35:27 -0500M* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.2 Message-ID: <iYecndazMcyhgUGgXTWcqA@metrocast.net>  D "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message7 news:8a646952.0211201310.5bd7c5dc@posting.google.com...l? > Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in messageN* news:<3DDB91BC.F4AB8D40@mindspring.com>... > > Daryl Jones wrote: > > K > > > It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when youreH > > > still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulum > > > will swing back. > >-7 > > The first step, of course, in making the transitiong4 > > to another O/S is realizing that each have their4 > > strong points and their weak points. Calling the3 > > other O/S funny names may make you feel better,>4 > > but it probably won't help get your attitude set5 > > appropriately to land a job using that other O/S.t > > $ > > Important Solaris strong points: > >h* > >   o You can still find a new job based > >     on that O/S. > >g( > >   o Your vendor actually believes in1 > >     what they're selling and isn't constantlyd0 > >     stabbing you in the back promoting other > >     systems over yours.  > >a
 > > Atlant > 	 > Atlant,a > C > Good point! However, after seeing 2.6 millions dollars spent on a E > Solaris solution when there was a VMS solution in place and VMS wasB > faster. I wonder.f  K Exactly what are you wondering about?  That a customer would replace a goodBD solution from a vendor they no longer trusted with a merely adequateL solution from a different vendor that they felt would continue to meet their needs?  . > Solaris will have their hay-day and pass on.  K As will humanity, the Earth, and the Sun itself.  What matters (at least toaE us) is what happens in the interim, and most indications are that thegE interim will be kinder to those systems (and customers) whose vendorssD consider them crucial to their own future than to those systems (andJ customers) whose vendors reply "Do we sell that?" when a customer asks for one.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:02:20 -0000a! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> 6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now./ Message-ID: <uto8kcluvuv41d@corp.supernews.com>   8 Daryl Jones <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote:C : Good point! However, after seeing 2.6 millions dollars spent on awE : Solaris solution when there was a VMS solution in place and VMS was @ : faster. I wonder. Solaris will have their hay-day and pass on.  A A former employer of mine spent more than $2 million moving from d VMS to AIX.S  ? They had no choice once Sybase announced their end-of-life plant for VMS support.  ? The AIX system is not any cheaper, but the choice was between a * supported solution and an unsupported one.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:11:42 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.@ Message-ID: <20021121001142.90248.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>   Well ! e  N A database is a database .... why not migrate from Sybase to Oracle or RDB ???   Regards    FC y% --- Z <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote:e: > Daryl Jones <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote:E > : Good point! However, after seeing 2.6 millions dollars spent on aeG > : Solaris solution when there was a VMS solution in place and VMS wasdB > : faster. I wonder. Solaris will have their hay-day and pass on. > C > A former employer of mine spent more than $2 million moving from  
 > VMS to AIX.e > A > They had no choice once Sybase announced their end-of-life plan  > for VMS support. > A > The AIX system is not any cheaper, but the choice was between ae, > supported solution and an unsupported one.     =====e ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:48:47 -0600o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.' Message-ID: <3DDC498F.8BDC7100@fsi.net>    Daryl Jones wrote: > m > Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote in message news:<howard-FE2775.21452419112002@enews.newsguy.com>...aA > > In article <8a646952.0211191322.17547e42@posting.google.com>,s= > >  jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) wrote:s > > K > > > It maight have to do with not letting go of a good OS (VMS) when youriH > > > still fighting with the new OS (slowaris). Hang tight. The pedulum > > > will swing back. > >fI > > What makes you think time is a pendulum?  VMS's time has passed.  TheeL > > 1980s are over.  It was fun while it lasted, but it's -done-.  HP can go > > fuck itself. > 	 > Howard,s > A > Please remember, someone out there is buying IBM mainframes!!!!h  $ Underscore: some _o_n_e_ (singular).   -- - David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems2 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:04:06 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>a6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.< Message-ID: <howard-14DDDC.22040620112002@enews.newsguy.com>  = In article <8a646952.0211201306.76cfcaee@posting.google.com>,n9  jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) wrote:   A > Please remember, someone out there is buying IBM mainframes!!!!r  G Yes, and there's a word for them: "bankers".  Given two contracts with yB bankers, I know they and I don't get along.  Anyway, as suggested I earlier, IBM is actively supporting their big iron.  You can't seriously o say that HP is/will do so.   -- p4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:11:19 GMTo1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)y6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.9 Message-ID: <H1ZC9.12106$Gc.282659@twister.austin.rr.com>m  / Fabio Cardoso (fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br) wrote:i	 : Well !   : ? : A database is a database .... why not migrate from Sybase to o : Oracle or RDB ???1 : C I've been told that one obstacle to converting to Oracle or RDB is iE user-written stored procedures, and that the easiest conversion away w  from Sybase is to Microsoft SQL.    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email5   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:01:02 -0800 (PST)e. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>. Subject: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org? Message-ID: <20021121000102.1515.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>r  E I think  some of us, Independent Consultants, spreaded  over th globesN would create a worldwide virtual organization (I suggest using OpenVMS.org) toJ improve the OpenVMS worldwide (suport, projects, etc..). May be creating aK standard for development of OpenVMS sites, new technologies as Web Servers,r= etc... for example: Me in Brazil, Didier in France, others ineI Australia, Austria, Sweden, Russia, should join and create an associationbI with rules etc... creating a common information base (under OpenVMS.org).a  / What do you think about ? Am I out of reality ?a Regards    FC       =====e ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilt fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.comn   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 13:50:42 -0800& From: aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron)H Subject: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha???= Message-ID: <99c3a525.0211201350.654fdbbb@posting.google.com>.  E I am trying to initialize the stack on an Alpha to use the P0 processa space. I have a few questions.  E 1. How do you find the address of the location that holds base of theiD stack? Since my main program is using Ada there is a function calledF Ada$Current_Task that returns the task control block which I think may be a piece of the puzzle.   E 2. If I find this address can I just clear the address to 0, and willD@ that initialize the stack to use the bottom of P0 process space?  D 3.  Do I have to use Macro code or can I use a higher level language such as C to do this?b   Thanks,i Aaronr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:07:28 GMTa" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGL Subject: Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha???0 Message-ID: <00A1743F.C6104FF8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <99c3a525.0211201350.654fdbbb@posting.google.com>, aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron) writes:F >I am trying to initialize the stack on an Alpha to use the P0 process >space. I have a few questions.f >eF >1. How do you find the address of the location that holds base of theE >stack? Since my main program is using Ada there is a function calledrG >Ada$Current_Task that returns the task control block which I think maye >be a piece of the puzzle.  D Tasks and threads have their own localized stacks.  Finding the baseE of said stack will be tricky and, more likely than not, undocumented e and unsupported.    F >2. If I find this address can I just clear the address to 0, and willA >that initialize the stack to use the bottom of P0 process space?s  C Sure, if you want an ACCVIO next time you attempt to push somethinglC on that stack.  VMS expects a stack to grow towards a lower address C when pushing items on the stack.  If you're at 0 and decrement thatmB to store a longword, you're going to be at {FFFFFFFF.}FFFFFFFC.  I- doubt that VMS will allow you to write there.     E >3.  Do I have to use Macro code or can I use a higher level languagel >such as C to do this?   C is a higher level language?a   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:33:56 +0100w" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>A Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpham5 Message-ID: <argo38$ht3od$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>    LOL !e: BTW the text is there in VAX/VMS (7.2 and 7.3) as well :-)    . <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> schreef in bericht* news:00A17415.389E30F5@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In articleG <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B9F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, VAXVMSh <bounce@notmail.com> writes: > >a > >Look who's mentioned :^). >v# > It was there a few versions back.p >d9 > Shameless plug... check HELP SHOW DEFAULT EXAMPLE  (#4)n >w > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >b6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:17:22 -0500e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>A Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alphae/ Message-ID: <3DDBEDCE.810A61AF@vl.videotron.ca>n  
 VAXVMS wrote:o > Look who's mentioned :^).e >  > $ HELP SHOW USERS ExamplesC >             Username     Node     Interactive  Subprocess   Batchu- >             S_SKONETSKI BBBBBB            1g7 >             WISNIEWSKI  XXXXXX            4         2e7 >             HIBBITS     AAAAAA            1         4n- >             VAXMAN      AAAAAA            2t >   I Shirley, they could have found some more interesting node names for their  network :-) :-) :-)   M I think we should mount a campaign to give the node used by Sue a better named :-) :-)p  G Considering that nodenames are known outside of the DEC network (due tow= email), I am curious as to why they would want to hide those.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:21:47 -0500N0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>A Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alphae/ Message-ID: <3DDBEED7.A0801196@vl.videotron.ca>e  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:r9 > Shameless plug... check HELP SHOW DEFAULT EXAMPLE  (#4)R    G I'm affraid to look at the STOP <process_name> examples :-) :-) :-) :-)A   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:45:32 GMT ) From: Patrick Jankowiak <eccm@swbell.net> A Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha * Message-ID: <3DDC2C55.3996A8DC@swbell.net>  & and who's hogging the machine.. hehe..  
 VAXVMS wrote:L >  > Look who's mentioned :^).u >  > $ HELP SHOW USERS Examples >  > SHOW > 	 >   USERSe >  >     Examples >  >          1.$ SHOW USERSgA >                  OpenVMS User Processes at 12-MAY-2001 10:37 AM E >                Total number of users = 4,  number of processes = 14- > C >             Username     Node     Interactive  Subprocess   Batchp- >             S_SKONETSKI BBBBBB            1n7 >             WISNIEWSKI  XXXXXX            4         2-7 >             HIBBITS     AAAAAA            1         44- >             VAXMAN      AAAAAA            2s > K >            The SHOW USERS command in this example displays the user names-G >            and node names of all current interactive, subprocess, andp >  > Press RETURN to continue ... >  > ========================" > William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS > OpenVMS Support Services( > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800< > 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:51:08 +0000s) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>/A Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alphae" Message-ID: <3DDBF5BC.905@iee.org>   Hans Vlems wrote:  > LOL !o< > BTW the text is there in VAX/VMS (7.2 and 7.3) as well :-)  8 But presumably not in V7.1 ... or I'm missing something.8 Why not post it so those of us who are (through no fault5 of their own) hopelessly outdated can have their dullh days brightened?   Antoniok acarlini@iee.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:16:10 GMTw" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGA Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha-0 Message-ID: <00A17438.9BCDA525@SendSpamHere.ORG>  N In article <3DDBF5BC.905@iee.org>, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> writes: >Hans Vlems wrote: >> LOL != >> BTW the text is there in VAX/VMS (7.2 and 7.3) as well :-)n >t9 >But presumably not in V7.1 ... or I'm missing something.y9 >Why not post it so those of us who are (through no fault>6 >of their own) hopelessly outdated can have their dull >days brightened?e   What's wrong with:  $ http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/    4 It's in the documentation as well as the help files. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            o5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:08:50 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> A Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha@' Message-ID: <3DDC4E41.1E50DB9E@fsi.net>h   Patrick Jankowiak wrote: > ( > and who's hogging the machine.. hehe.. >  > VAXVMS wrote:e > >d > > Look who's mentioned :^).  > >i > > $ HELP SHOW USERS Examples > >o > > SHOW > >r > >   USERSe > >  > >     Examples > >n > >          1.$ SHOW USERSiC > >                  OpenVMS User Processes at 12-MAY-2001 10:37 AMTG > >                Total number of users = 4,  number of processes = 14  > >2E > >             Username     Node     Interactive  Subprocess   Batcho/ > >             S_SKONETSKI BBBBBB            1i9 > >             WISNIEWSKI  XXXXXX            4         2-9 > >             HIBBITS     AAAAAA            1         4 / > >             VAXMAN      AAAAAA            2y  G I can picture him in his computer den - surrounded by monitors, perhapssE a VT or two, maybe a bunch o' DECterm sessions where he TELNETted in,i ...r   --   David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:43:18 GMT ) From: Patrick Jankowiak <eccm@swbell.net> Y Subject: Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on wv* Message-ID: <3DDC2BD0.7A50CE14@swbell.net>   The hobbyist program for VMS is still going strong. I do have an "OpenVMS" live free or die license plate, but not for sale 8-Pr       David Michaels wrote:  >  > Vilmos Soti wrote: > >p
 > > Hello, > >rH > > Does HP offer hobbyist license for other HP products other than VMS?H > > I looked around their homepage, but I didn't find anything relevant.M > > It seems this is an active newsgroup and people are aware of the hobbyist, > > program. > >4H > > I have a 712/80 parisc box lying around with HP-UX 9 on it and wouldA > > like to get a newer version so I can get familiar with HP-UX.e > >-B > > It seems HP-UX 9 is already hopelessly outdated so there is no > > reason to learn it.  > >n > > Thanks, Vilmos >  > Hi,  > H > HP was kind enough to send me a free copy of HPUX 11 a couple of weeksH > ago. It was a cd-r copy and it took forever to arrive but it was free.( > They even paid for the fedex shipping. > J > The programm was called 'easy setup' I'm not sure if it's still offered,G > but emailing them to ask is free so is looking around their web site.l > I > All I had to do was send them a email and then confirm my address a fewv3 > months later when they sent a follow up email....e > E > HPUX 11 seems to require a 3 gig drive. HPUX 11i seems to require 4eJ > gigs. I personnaly think HPUX 9 is pretty cool with HP VUE, but buildingD > from source or finding applications is difficult to say the least. > 6 > Since I'm off topic and talking about free stuff....H > The coolest think I ever got free from Compaq was a license plate thatI > said Linux (live free or die) from Inform magazine.... (I wouldn't mind G > a free OS download for VMS 7.x :) or a VMS license plate, anyone know / > where to get those ?? or are they long gone ?  >  > Good Lucky > David Michaels > dmichaels@acm.orgt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:41:44 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>nY Subject: Re: Is there a hobbyist program for other HP products? Was Re: What's going on wn' Message-ID: <3DDC47E8.CA4D7D56@fsi.net>)   Patrick Jankowiak wrote: > C > The hobbyist program for VMS is still going strong. I do have an e@ > "OpenVMS" live free or die license plate, but not for sale 8-P  . I picked up a coupla those in San Diego ('99).   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 13:01:02 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h6 Subject: Re: Java runtime error trying to access a URL3 Message-ID: <nWzlIKpDKAm6@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  l In article <ab56e6c6.0211200948.2cc56904@posting.google.com>, rcs@slac.stanford.edu (Robert C. Sass) writes: > Running it produces: >  > $ java "TestURL" > Entered main.c
 > Created URLw! > Error retrieving NameServer IORl< > errno: 47, error: address family not supported   for fd: 7  	    I get    
 Entered main.a Created URL 
 Opened streamm Created buffered readere IOR = <html><head>  E    VMS 7.2-1, java 1.3.1, FastVM 1.3.1-1, java$filename_controls = 8, B    DCL extended parsing enabled, decc$argv_parse_style = "ENABLE",$    decc$efs_case_preserve = "ENABLE"  . The URL I tried was "http://www.altavista.com"   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 12:53:13 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n6 Subject: Re: Java runtime error trying to access a URL3 Message-ID: <2jRn+R8fJaeQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  l In article <ab56e6c6.0211200948.2cc56904@posting.google.com>, rcs@slac.stanford.edu (Robert C. Sass) writes:   > OpenVMS V7.3.e >  > java version "1.3.1"2 > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionF > Fast VM (build 1.3.1-4, build J2SDK.v.1.3.1:10/02/2002-09:27, native
 > threads, jil > t_131)   > The jdb error looks like:t >  > $ jdb "TestURL"r  G    You can't use the jdb with the FastVM.  Select the standard VM whilen
    using jdb:   +    @sys$common:[java$131.com]java$131_setupt  /    and when you need speed, back to the FastVM:s  0    @sys$common:[java$131.com]java$131_setup fast   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:06:36 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: Linux for Alpha/VAX5 Message-ID: <argq1m$if40a$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>h  = "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> schreef in bericht-: news:20021120013909.80574.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com... > 9 > I got two gifts from an old company which I worked for:  >j > An Alpha 2100 and VAX 4000 ! >oA > Is there a way to install Linux (Alpha) in these two machines ?c? > I know there is Linux for Alpha, but what do I need to change A > in the AS-2100 to run Linux ! The VAX: Is there a Linux or justh > FreeBSD runs in it ? >s	 > Regardsp >  > FC4 Hmm, is there any reason why you stay away from VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:24:37 -0500m0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>- Subject: Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!t/ Message-ID: <3DDBEF81.6B503960@vl.videotron.ca>l  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:hJ > I can receive email but any mail I originate (send or reply) shows up onJ > the queue as CANCELLED.  Any hints or suggestions where to look?  I'm at	 > a loss.e  2 I would suspect your  DNS/MX resolution mechanism.   if using TCPIP Services, try:e  
 TCPIP SHOW MX    and then TCPIP SHOW MX ibm.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:06:36 +0000a4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>- Subject: Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!! 8 Message-ID: <qutntu4p65pkaf0m3s3prehgkvn5hqskf0@4ax.com>  C On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:47:56 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:h  c >In article <3DDBEF81.6B503960@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:H# >>VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:cL >>> I can receive email but any mail I originate (send or reply) shows up onL >>> the queue as CANCELLED.  Any hints or suggestions where to look?  I'm at >>> a loss.- >>4 >>I would suspect your  DNS/MX resolution mechanism. >> >>if using TCPIP Services, try:q >> >>TCPIP SHOW MXm >>
 >>and then >>TCPIP SHOW MX ibm.comL >oK >Well, I'd been running MX 5.1 for some time and decided that I'd probably eH >be better if I had the latest (MX 5.3) running when the responses to myJ >question started popping up so I installed it.  MX 5.3 seems to have cor- >rected whatever was happening.e  J In this context, MX is not related to MX :-)  MX stands for Mail eXchange,J records for which are kept on DNS servers.  Just as you need to find an IPG address to send telnet/ftp/http requests to www.vaxman.org and use namevK lookups, likewise your mail client needs to know where on earth the machinetH that handles mail for anyone@vaxman.org lives.  In this example, SHOW MXI vaxman.org provides the clues - usually a list of possible machines, with_K priorities.  (Say your own primary mail server first, then a secondary, andr finally an ISP "backup".)a  7 Sounds like your ISP's name server had a senior moment.e   	Johnq   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:47:56 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!e0 Message-ID: <00A17434.A9D557C9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <3DDBEF81.6B503960@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:K >> I can receive email but any mail I originate (send or reply) shows up on K >> the queue as CANCELLED.  Any hints or suggestions where to look?  I'm atd
 >> a loss. >l3 >I would suspect your  DNS/MX resolution mechanism.  >  >if using TCPIP Services, try: >e >TCPIP SHOW MX >l	 >and theno >TCPIP SHOW MX ibm.com  J Well, I'd been running MX 5.1 for some time and decided that I'd probably G be better if I had the latest (MX 5.3) running when the responses to mytI question started popping up so I installed it.  MX 5.3 seems to have cor-e rected whatever was happening.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM8             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:57:23 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS/ Message-ID: <3DDBE921.E580382E@vl.videotron.ca>c   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:dG > A good reason for not wanting J. Random user binding to a port < 1024   K Correct. A privilege is definitely needed to prevent anyone from binding toiK the ports < 1024. (as a matter of fact, one shoudl also be able to define aoM list of ports > 1024 where one would be required to have privileges as well).s  G The question is whether SYSPRV or OPER or whatever is accepted by TCPIPfF services are the correct privileges. I say that SYSPRV isn't the right! prvilege that should be required.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:14:08 -0500>0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS/ Message-ID: <3DDBED0C.AE6A3AEB@vl.videotron.ca>2   Brian Tillman wrote:J > JF, you're talking through your hat (again).  From the OSU startup file:7 > $ if .not. f$privilege("SYSNAM,SYSPRV,NETMBX,CMKRNL"):  U Yes, the procedure that STARTS the web server , usually done from the SYSTEM account.   Y Do a SHOW PROC/id=xxx/all for  WWW Server 80 and tell me if you see all those privileges.C  L Go into authorize, and tell me if the user that runs your web server has all those privileges.D  L Go into install and you'll find that the main image is installed with CMEXEC and SYSPRV.S  J So, before insulting me, you should make damned sure you check your facts.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:57:54 GMTe* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS1 Message-ID: <SrUC9.3$cg1.291981@news.cpqcorp.net>   L "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de> wrote in2 message news:007501c29053$e095e380$0201a8c0@WS1...  D >>> The maximum is 4.3 GB for burnable DVDs. A Video-DVD usually hasH >>> 9 GB (double layered). I'm sure the industry is able to produce 9 GBG >>> burners but they don't sell them, because this is would destroy the- >>> DVD-Video market.-  D Although both double-layer and double-sided are specified in the DVDE standard, I don't know if anyone has ever implmeneted that format.  I:K believe most, if not all, Video DVD disk are all single-layer, single-sided7G disk (4.7Gb)  This seems to be enough storage for a Standard Definitionn9 movie, although longer movies require a two DVD disk set.o  L There is a lot of effort to define the next generate DVD standard which willF be needed for High Definition video.  I think some of these effort areH looking to put 10-30Gb on a DVD disk through various techniques, such as! using a shorter wavelength laser..       Paul A. Jacobi Hewlett Packard Company ! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14a 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698 $ Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:17:29 GMTe+ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>i0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0211201701340.27339-100000@jaipur>o  * On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Paul A. Jacobi wrote:N > "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de> wrote in4 > message news:007501c29053$e095e380$0201a8c0@WS1... >tF > >>> The maximum is 4.3 GB for burnable DVDs. A Video-DVD usually hasJ > >>> 9 GB (double layered). I'm sure the industry is able to produce 9 GBI > >>> burners but they don't sell them, because this is would destroy theS > >>> DVD-Video market.T >pF > Although both double-layer and double-sided are specified in the DVDG > standard, I don't know if anyone has ever implmeneted that format.  ItM > believe most, if not all, Video DVD disk are all single-layer, single-sidedeI > disk (4.7Gb)  This seems to be enough storage for a Standard Definitionp; > movie, although longer movies require a two DVD disk set.t  J A lot of feature length movies use double-layered disks.  Depending on theF disk and the player, there is sometimes a small "pause" when the layer> switch happens.  If you watch a lot of movies on DVD, you willJ occasaionlly notice this small (.1-.75) second pause in the movie.  If theF authoring of the disk is done well, it happens at a scene switch whereH it's less noticable.  Some DVD players can tell you which layer they are reading (like my Sony player).  > There are also some disks that are double-sided where they areJ double-layered on one side (for the movie) and single-layered on the other (for the "extras")..  F They need to use double-layering to get the movie onto one side of theB disk.  Between high-quality MPEG2 video with a reasonable bit rateA combined with multiple Dolby Digital/DTS soundtracks (in multiple D languages and director "commentary" tracks), the space gets eaten upH pretty quickly.  That's why some movies come with the extras on separateH disks.  Even with the movie disk being double-layered, there still isn't  enough space for all the extras.  E Only a few disks are double-sided and double-layered because they areyF tricky to produce.  I believe the first mass-produced double-sided andE double-layered DVD was the DVD version of the Stephen King movie "ThesG Stand".  The movie is pretented in four 2-hour installments (how it waseF originally produced for TV).   The DVD contains 2 installments on each side of the DVD.  F However, there is a big difference between the professionally producedE DVDs and DVD(+/-)(R/RW).  The authoring and production facilities arec completely different.S  N > There is a lot of effort to define the next generate DVD standard which willH > be needed for High Definition video.  I think some of these effort areJ > looking to put 10-30Gb on a DVD disk through various techniques, such as# > using a shorter wavelength laser.e  J We can only hope they get their act together and come up with one standard' from the competing camps we have today.h   -Ryana   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 21:10:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <ewNP51GQaw2G@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  W In article <20NOV200206232669@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:l4 > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes...> > }Forgive me my ignorance but why a DVD writer for OpenVMS ? @ > }To record information from the OS or any layered software ???3 > }Please explain me a use of it .... production ! g
 > }Regards > }  > }FC  > > > For exactly the same reason that you might want a CD writer.< > (Not surprising since it is essentally the same thing, but > higher capacity.)  > A > Ever want to write something to CD for whatever reason and find.B > that your data was too big to fit on one? That is why you'd want > a DVD writer.s  A And if it will not fit on a DVD, would you rather write to 2 DVDso or 8-14 CD-Rs ?l   ------------------------------   Date: 20 NOV 2002 22:30:29 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> 5 Subject: Re: parsing file name (refer to time thread)g2 Message-ID: <20NOV02.22302929@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  F In a previous article, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote: > Lyndon Bartels wrote:n >  HI > I found another "wierdness."  As per another posting... I looked at theo& > strcpy, and changed it to strncpy.   >   % > And everything works perfectly.... i >  rJ > I included the affected code.  In the first posting, I had misplaced the6 > later status check.... It's right in the text below. >  s> > I still don't know *why*.... but it works, and I'll take it.  E Glad it's working better for you now.  I wanted to make a few general:D comments that I hope will help if something like this happens again.< Note that these apply to (almost) any OS and many languages.  E If a program changes from not working to "working" when compiled withlE /debug/nooptimize, or when print statements are added/deleted then mynA first assumption is that some data is overwriting some other dataoF location.  That can be writing beyond the end of an array or, as would? appear to be the case here, a character string.  The reason theoD program "works" in one case and not another is that those qualifiersE (alone or separately) and print statements change the way the data is G laid out in memory.  In the "working" case you are probably overwritingeF some innocuous location (maybe the text for an already-completed printF statement for example).  Or perhaps the strcpy encountered a null byteD before it did any serious damage.  OTOH, in the non-working case theE overwrite changed some critical location before it was used (like thei device name for example).   G As others have pointed out, strcpy assumes a null-terminated string but E rsa is not null-terminated.  So you copied more bytes than you wanteddC and overwrote some other area of memory.  Just how many extra bytesvD were copied, and what they overwrote, depends on where your data was located in memory.  B BTW, CC/LIST/SHOW[=option] will show the layout of data in memory.   HTH, Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVoH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:01:58 GMTt* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1a5 Message-ID: <201120021400326806%paul.anderson@hp.com>S  G In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211181557310.17812-100000@athena.csdco.com>, # John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:n  ? > It looks like VMS 7.3-1 breaks the unsupported and heretofores+ > indestructible Pathworks Mac file server.h > C > The file server loops doing BIOs when it tries to mount a volume.?  E I just mounted a volume from an OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 system on my Mac-F running OS X 10.2.2.  It mounted fine and I can read files correctly. G I do recall a problem a while back, though, on an earlier OS X version,-D where mounting an OpenVMS volume would cause hanging problems on theB Mac.  This problem prompted me to not mount my OpenVMS volume on a' regular basis, but it works for me now.i  A DCPS printing with the AppleTalk stack from PATHWORKS for OpenVMSt (Macintosh) still works.   Paul   -- -  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringf   Hewlett-Packard Companyl   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:52:40 -0700 (MST)r" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>' Subject: Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1tG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211201741390.29762-100000@athena.csdco.com>   ) On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Paul Anderson wrote:2  I > In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211181557310.17812-100000@athena.csdco.com>,b% > John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:s > A > > It looks like VMS 7.3-1 breaks the unsupported and heretoforei- > > indestructible Pathworks Mac file server.a > > E > > The file server loops doing BIOs when it tries to mount a volume.y > G > I just mounted a volume from an OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 system on my MacoH > running OS X 10.2.2.  It mounted fine and I can read files correctly. I > I do recall a problem a while back, though, on an earlier OS X version, F > where mounting an OpenVMS volume would cause hanging problems on theD > Mac.  This problem prompted me to not mount my OpenVMS volume on a) > regular basis, but it works for me now.h > C > DCPS printing with the AppleTalk stack from PATHWORKS for OpenVMS  > (Macintosh) still works. >  > Paul >  > -- b >  Paul Anderson >   OpenVMS Engineeringo >   Hewlett-Packard Company. >    Paul,   H It's understood that this problem doesn't affect DPCS which is your mainJ interest, however, the file server is non-functional except for a trivial F volume - I noticed that it would work if there were one or maybe a few files.  E The file server appears to be looping when msaf$server(n) attempts too perform verification.-   moni file shows   G     Dir FCB    (Hit %)              100.00      99.99      99.00 100.00mH                (Attempt Rate)      1498.66    1483.36    1420.00 1567.66G     Dir Data   (Hit %)               99.00      99.81      99.00 100.00SH                (Attempt Rate)      1613.00    1507.09    1430.33 1640.33  H The msaf server process(es) rack up buffered I/O counts but don't appearF to be doing anything useful.  The files shown open in sho device /fileC don't change very much when it should be wizzing (highly technical o term) through the volume.    Regards,  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:03:59 -0600 ) From: "Sam Rozenfeld" <rozenfeld@dls.net> * Subject: PHP sybase_ct module availability, Message-ID: <EnqdnaBrR4s60EGgXTWcpA@dls.net>   Hello,  I Does anyone know if sybase_ct module will be available for VMS PHP ? ThistH module allows you to access SQL server and is very handy for programming with SQL server back end.-  
 Sincerely,     Sam Rozenfelde     DLS Internet Servicesr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:08:17 GMT- From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1>2. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance1 Message-ID: <laJC9.7$Gf1.190591@news.cpqcorp.net>S  3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message00 news:200211200746.IAA15385@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, >0F > I have measured the Gigabit performance and was very unhappy, to seeE > only about 26% of the possible network performance. Is this normal?IE > (HP/Compaq meens yes) Or must I change any device parameter in con-eB > junction with the switch parameter? In case of a mixed speed LANF > i have the jumbo frames disabled and the PIPELINE QUOTA set to a lowD > value. Could this be the reason of slow performance? Are there anyJ > SYSGEN parameter or user QUOTA, which influence the network performance.7 > Aaaaah I did forget to write the configuration infos:E >L: > XP1000, DS20 and/or ES40 with DEGPA-SA and OpenVMS 7.1-2 >d  > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert >D Hello9  8 Even if this is about Vms 7.3, you should have a look at  J      FTP tests over Gigabit Ethernet show slow link performance on OpenVMS system      F http://www.compaq.com/support/askkcs/hpcg/215_0_105505663_3569250.html   Regardst   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:03:18 +0000e' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyi. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance. Message-ID: <3DDB5DE6.3030501@nospamn.sun.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > Hello, > F > I have measured the Gigabit performance and was very unhappy, to seeE > only about 26% of the possible network performance. Is this normal?tE > (HP/Compaq meens yes) Or must I change any device parameter in con-0B > junction with the switch parameter? In case of a mixed speed LANF > i have the jumbo frames disabled and the PIPELINE QUOTA set to a lowD > value. Could this be the reason of slow performance? Are there anyJ > SYSGEN parameter or user QUOTA, which influence the network performance.7 > Aaaaah I did forget to write the configuration infos:a >   9 It does depend on what you are using to measure your GigEr9 performance any test that also involves disk I/O like ftp ; for example may well bottleneck on the the disk rather thanp GigE itself.  = If HP are saying the 26% is what you should expect regardlessC: of what tesdt you use then that is low compared with other= platforms, we tested a Sun 450 a long time ago at 700-800 Mbsi using GigE..   regards= Andrew Harrison=; > 	XP1000, DS20 and/or ES40 with DEGPA-SA and OpenVMS 7.1-2o >   > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:08:21 GMT-0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance1 Message-ID: <9mWC9.3$lv1.151672@news.cpqcorp.net>n  J I don't have the time to look this up, but if memory serves me, the XP1000H is a 33MHz 32-bit PCI bus.  Your performance is greatly reduced comparedH with the faster 64MHz 64-bit bus.  On higher performing systems you will7 readily see throughput in excess of 700Mb/s using TTCP.r  I Apart from file I/O getting in the way, FTP is not designed to be a speed J demon.  Avoid using it for performance testing.  I will add that by savingK your file to the NL: device, you will remove the write performance from thezL equation.  Placing the source file on a RAM DISK will minimise the impact ofB file read IO.  Having said that, you may as well use TTCP instead.  (     $ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands
     $ ttcp -ha       SERVER> ttcp -r -s4     CLIENT> ttcp -t -s -l 65535 -n 10000 -f M SERVER    Enable jumbo frames with either:       Edit systartup_vms.com:?@     $ mcr lancp set dev ewa/jumbo ! enable jumbo frames for GbE.       or edit modparams.dat:C     LAN_FLAGS=64 ! Enable jumbo frames on GbE, a dynamic parameter.r;     ! Same as MC LANCP SET DEV EWA/JUMBO and restart TCP/IPs     Now restart TCP/IP.e;     $ ifconfig we0  ! check the ipmtu is set to 7534 bytes.   H You need to be sure your switch also supports jumbo-frames and that bothL ends negotiate the correct size.  The most reliable way to do this is with a trace.   Try this experiment:     Setup 3 windows:"     1 - Server side ($ ttcp -r -s))     2 - Client side ($ ttcp -t -s server)lG     3 - Client side ($ pipe tcptrace/prot=tcp/pack=2/port=remo=5001 | - ,                        search sys$pipe 0402)     Here is a sample output:  K   NOTE that the results show two lines.  The first line is from the TCP SYNu,   packet, and the second is the TCP SYN ACK.  
   Ethernet   --------- G   $ pipe tcptrace/prot=tcp/pack=2/port=remo=5001 | search sys$pipe 0402oJ      05030301   B4050402   00006F9C   FFFF02B0    0020    .....o..........J      05030301   B4050402   000094AA   FFFF12B0    0020    ................  !   NOTE: B405 => 05B4 = 1460 bytess       GbEe   ---   G   $ pipe tcptrace/prot=tcp/pack=2/port=remo=5001 | search sys$pipe 0402eJ      05030301   461D0402   000090E5   FFFF02B0    0020    ...........F....J      05030301   461D0402   000041F0   FFFF12B0    0020    .....A.....F....  "   NOTE: 461D => 1D46 = 7494 bytes.   Matt.-   --= -------------------------------------------------------------v OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAo= -------------------------------------------------------------     3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in messagep0 news:200211200746.IAA15385@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, >HF > I have measured the Gigabit performance and was very unhappy, to seeE > only about 26% of the possible network performance. Is this normal? E > (HP/Compaq meens yes) Or must I change any device parameter in con-hB > junction with the switch parameter? In case of a mixed speed LANF > i have the jumbo frames disabled and the PIPELINE QUOTA set to a lowD > value. Could this be the reason of slow performance? Are there anyJ > SYSGEN parameter or user QUOTA, which influence the network performance.7 > Aaaaah I did forget to write the configuration infos:: >:: > XP1000, DS20 and/or ES40 with DEGPA-SA and OpenVMS 7.1-2 >-  > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:03:36 GMTR< From: "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>  Subject: Re: RSYNC for OpenVMS ?1 Message-ID: <spVC9.2$6s1.317587@news.cpqcorp.net>N   Bru, Pierre wrote: > 1 > is there an OpenVMS version of the RSYNC tool ?   $ I am not aware of any working ports.  I The UNIX flavor requires a working fork(), and is expecting a UNIX shell tH   with the RSH command known.  It fork()s a new parent and then fork()s  a child.  E Apparently there are some alternate implementations of the algorithm.n  ? One of them is reported to be in Python, IIRC: known as PYSYNC.i  K There is also a librsync that may be usuable as a base for an OpenVMS port.-  A For those that do not know what RSYNC is: http://rsync.samba.org/i  G RSYNC is a program to remotely keep directory trees in synchronization a; by only transfering the portion of a file that has changed..  ? It does this by calculating checksums on sections of the files.l  H Many of the Open Source projects are using rsync for developers to keep ' their local copy of the source current.    -John-! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hpe Personal Opinion Only5   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:50:34 GMTs From: danco@ns2.pebble.org  Subject: Re: RSYNC for OpenVMS ?1 Message-ID: <slrnatoo6c.dv8.danco@ns2.pebble.org>h  P In article <a39f53b1.0211200945.19f117bf@posting.google.com>, Bru, Pierre wrote:  1 > is there an OpenVMS version of the RSYNC tool ?   E I haven't found one.  Here is what I have been doing for the past fewS@ years to keep up with the latest and greatest goings on at work:  : 1. I have one Redhat Linux system at work and one at home.    Old PCs are cheap.     eF 2. I use the "MIRROR" utility (see freshmeat.net) to frequently mirrorI    files from various VMS and Windows server systems at work to the Linux E    system at work over a 100Mbs LAN.  Mirror uses FTP.  This is fast, 2    so I do it very, very frequently as a cron job.    mC 3. I run a vpnd deamon on the Linux system at work and on the LinuxaB    system at home.  This creates a 24/7 VPN connection between the"    Linux systems at work and home.  H 4. I have the Linux system at home periodically run rsync to synchronizeE    files with the Linux system at work.  This is amazingly fast, so Il/    also do this quite frequently as a cron job.-    -I 5. I run the NFS daemon and the SAMBA daemon on the Linux system at home. E    This is another 100Mbs LAN, so everything is blazingly fast again.e     I 6. I have my OpenVMS systems (2 VAXen and 2 Alphas) at home NFS mount the     Linux system's filesystem.V  F 7. I use "Windows networking aka SMB" between the Linux system and the<    various and sundry Windows systems (four of 'em) at home.  E Maybe someday we'll all have pipes fat enough so that we can just NFSaC mount everything over the net (wrapped in a secure VPN, of course).-A Compression done by the VPN or even no compression at all will be@ sufficient.O   - Danc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:20:58 -08000" From: Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com>: Subject: Re: Scheduler - how to re-instate an entry number( Message-ID: <3DDBEEAA.1060103@tgsmc.com>  
 Ade wrote: > Chaps, > M > I need re re-instate a deleted entry number in DecScheduler. (214 should be. > 18).  ) Not sure what you're trying to do, but...s  M VSS.DAT is an RMS indexed file;  key 0 is an int4 job number.  You can remakehF the file, changing 214 to 18, but you might have problems if there areS dependencies.  (The dependencies are in an array in the record, if you feel brave.)n  M There are other games you can play with sch script job/all and recreating the & databases, but they're more dangerous.  S If the problem is you have "$ sch run 18" embedded in comfiles, well, it's probably8- easier to just track those down and fix them.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:59:38 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>( Subject: Re: SHOW SYSTEM bug VAX-VMS 7.25 Message-ID: <argpjp$fvu8b$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>V  ? "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> schreef in berichtS) news:3DDAB7BE.C0AFC1CF@vl.videotron.ca...  > VAX-VMS 7.2: > 8 > HELP SHOW SYSTEM documents a /MULTITHREADED qualifier. > C > But when I try it, it tells me that /MULTITHREADED is not a valid 
 qualifier.  H > This is definitely NOT a documentation bug, since that qualifier works well on K > Alpha. So if the documentation is right then it MUST be the software thatB is > wrong :-) :-) :-) :-)   E This is abviously a glitch in HELPLIB.HLB since VAX/VMS does not have  support for the feature.  F > VMS is VMS is VMS, right ? So customers shoudln't be seing different > functionality on VAX, right ?d  K AFAIK platform parity was achieved in VMS 6.1 (I still have the original CD J box). It was just about the only version were parity was achieved, perhapsJ in 6.2 you could still call it that. But AXP/VMS took off quite fast after VMS 6.  I > So, on top of lack of PPP support, lack of ODS2 etc etc we must now add  lack > of SHOW SYSTEM :-)   CDE support for the VAX?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:48:46 -0500i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>: Subject: Re: Special characters. Postscript. fonts for GKS/ Message-ID: <3DDBE71C.50B7F968@vl.videotron.ca>t   Lars Voigt wrote:-F > The problem is that when I change the font, the danish letters ,,F > is no longer printed in postscript. (they still appear on the screenI > if I use IWSTYPE=16). Do I need some special postscript font definitiong
 > files ??  7 Look into the postscript for the font handling section:r  * Here is an example of selecting Eurostyle:  * /EurostyleT findfont dup length dict begin0 {1 index /FID ne {def} {pop} {pop} ifelse forall /Encoding ISOLatin1Encoding def- currentdict  ends /Eurostyle exch definefont pop  ? In other words, you  duplicate the font, change the encoding tonK ISOLatinEncoding and then define your font to point to that new dictionary.U  K I don't know about GKS specfically, but if it has template files, you could H change the font selection to ensure it has a full encoding to access the characters not used by the USA.n  K Look for "Times-Roman" and "findfont" in the code if it is in one whole biggI blob of unreadable junk. You can split lines any way you wish, except forh+ strings which are enclosed in (Hello World)w   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:42:04 GMTg0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>- Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and Cluster AliasV1 Message-ID: <wZVC9.2$Nv1.170098@news.cpqcorp.net>i  # >However it would appear that TCPIP F > only allows one cluster alias, since, as soon as I define the second> > alias, the first disappears from the SHOW INTERFACE display.? > Interestingly, I can configure both aliases in the SET CONFIGn > INTERFACE command.$ > Any thoughts would be appreciated.  J These issues have were resolved in March.  I haven't checked what ECO theyL should have appeared in.  Upgrade to the latest ECO and try again.  You will( need to be running TCP/IP V5.1 or later.    From our fixed bugs report list:  K         Several problems related to creating, deleting, and showing clusterc         aliases, as follows:  L         1. Repeated use of UCP's SET INTERFACE /CLUSTER=host command createsL            many cluster aliases for the specified interface -- not just one.  L         2. Must specify all cluster alias information together in UCP's  SETL            INTERFACE /CLUSTER=host command.  That is, unable to specify  theL            /CLUSTER,   /C_NETWORK_MASK,   and  /C_BROADCAST_MASK  qualifiers0            separately to modify a cluster alias.  L         3. UCP's SHOW INTERFACE /CLUSTER command fails to show  all  cluster&            aliases that are available.  L         4. UCP's SET NOINTERFACE command fails  to  delete  cluster  aliasesJ            when deleting a interface (either primary or pseudo interface).   Matt.r   --= -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companye Gold Coast, AUSTRALIAt= -------------------------------------------------------------     > "Edward Heller" <edward.heller@transcore.com> wrote in message7 news:2d2038b7.0211201022.1a24b84d@posting.google.com..._H > I did come across our situation in a search of this Newsgroup, so I am > looking for some guidance.H > We have two DS10 Alphas running OpenVMS 7.3-1. Each Alpha has two NICs= > connected to individual networks, such that Alpha1_NIC1 and ? > Alpha2_NIC1 are connected and Alpha1_NIC2 and Alpha2_NIC2 are G > connected. We are trying to configure the system so that computers oncC > the "NIC1" network can access either Alphas using a TCPIP clustergG > alias and computers on the "NIC2" network can access the Alphas using7H > a different cluster alias. The reason for this is that one network has@ > communications gear that needs to be on a private network (forA > performance and security reasons), while the other network is a A > standard office configuration. The aliasing is to permit a warm E > failover without the need to reconfigure the rest of the network innE > the event that one of the Alphas has a problem (understandably rareh6 > for an Alpha, but these things do happen sometimes).E > What I have tried so far is to use the TCPIP SET INTERFACE /CLUSTER6F > command to set the cluster alias. However it would appear that TCPIPF > only allows one cluster alias, since, as soon as I define the second> > alias, the first disappears from the SHOW INTERFACE display.? > Interestingly, I can configure both aliases in the SET CONFIGo > INTERFACE command.$ > Any thoughts would be appreciated. >A > Edward Heller  > TransCore ITS, Inc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:36:42 -0800 * From: "Rupert Lomax" <rupert@stockbot.org> Subject: Test 6[OU@t1 Message-ID: <arhppt$6pr@netnews.proxy.lucent.com>   D A guy visits his doctor complaining of a really sharp headache along  the left hand side of his brain.  D "Right" the doctor says, ruminating on the problem. "Can I ask you a
 question?"  ! "Yeah," responds our protagonist.   " "Do you masturbate?" asks the Doc.  ; Somewhat taken aback the guy replies "err... well... yeah."A  = "It's great, isn't it!" replies the Dr, with a massive smile.a     rupert@stockbot.orge         y:4NNCstiqbBaD#RYET^   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 12:38:00 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasI3 Message-ID: <ux1tGdDw8kJ9@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  ` In article <arg2bm$i909n$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > 2 > So, what exactly is the definition of "legacy"??      Main Entry: legacy     Pronunciation: 'le-g&-sEh    Function: nounn"    Inflected Form(s): plural -ciesF    Etymology: Middle English legacie office of a legate, bequest, fromK    Middle French or Medieval Latin; Middle French, office of a legate, frome-    Medieval Latin legatia, from Latin legatus     Date: 15th centurye  >    1:  an object of traditional use and recognized superiority1    2:  a car made by Subaru (Legacy. proper noun)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:54:16 -0500g0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasd/ Message-ID: <3DDBE866.1C6425CC@vl.videotron.ca>a   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > So, what exactly is the definition of "legacy"??  H Old stuff the company don't intend to push much because it isn't seen as2 "state of the art" from a marketing point of view.  H I am quite surprised that Carly would have used "Legacy"/ for her HP-UX.F Perhaps her attantion span for serious systems is short and she is now4 returning to her "Windows will eviscerate" policies.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 05:54:45 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)1 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasi3 Message-ID: <eB4tWSVSLZ$Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  [ In article <3DDAF110.76F6971D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:I > J > What I find humorous is Windows is considered non-legacy. I got my first< > Windows system (V3.0) in 1991. That makes it 11 years old. >   6 As you are fond of pointing out, it's the marketing...  E > Also humorous is that Linux is considered non-legacy, while UN*X isnA > considered legacy. The story behind Linux, if I'm not too badlyFJ > mistaken, is that Finnish college student Linus Torvalds decided to hackG > up a UN*X-like kernel for his own use on his '386 PC, then posted the G > results on some BBSes more or less local to him, where upon it spreadtG > around the world in a matter of months (Hhmmm... sounds like a virus,nJ > almost, eh?). I guess we're supposed to believe that UN*X is legacy, but > a UN*X-emulator is not.m >   < That's the general history. It was initially based on Minix.   Simon.   -- eB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       & "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:01:27 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>01 Subject: Re: VMS isn't the only legacy o/s HP hasW' Message-ID: <3DDC4C87.3A8875A1@fsi.net>'   Bob Koehler wrote: > b > In article <arg2bm$i909n$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >c4 > > So, what exactly is the definition of "legacy"?? >  >    Main Entry: legacy. >    Pronunciation: 'le-g&-sEg >    Function: nouna$ >    Inflected Form(s): plural -ciesH >    Etymology: Middle English legacie office of a legate, bequest, fromM >    Middle French or Medieval Latin; Middle French, office of a legate, froml/ >    Medieval Latin legatia, from Latin legatusw >    Date: 15th centuryd > @ >    1:  an object of traditional use and recognized superiority3 >    2:  a car made by Subaru (Legacy. proper noun)e  2 I'm surprised our friend didn't come up with this:  
 		OpenVMS: 	A Legacy of Power!a 	A Legacy of Clustering! 	A Legacy of Security! 	A Legacy of Stability!> 	A Legacy of Scalability!p  
 		OpenVMS: 	A Legacy of Excellence!  / Call 1-800-OPEN-VMS today for more information.B   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/Y   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 14:16:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Re: VS3100 help, please. - Message-ID: <87vg2s3gv8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  : > I have a VS3100 with a proken network switch.  Given theA > unlikeliness of finding a replacement switch, the difficulty inaC > actually removing the old one and the fact that I would never use C > 10Base2 again, I propose to merely solder jumpers on the board to-" > make it permanently set for AUI.  MF > So, does anyone have a schematic or info on the inside of the switchE > so I can determine what contacts get soldered together to do this??n  B Bill, they are a standard switch, I have seen them at RS and other? parts places. Hamiton Havenot would be a good US start I guess..   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.b@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 02 23:54:59 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)i> Subject: Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor)) Message-ID: <CO$KEE$IK+0O@elias.decus.ch>r   In article <rdeininger-1711021429500001@1cust146.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:H > In article <BqwBO699T0Px@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul > Sture) wrote:r >  >>In articleB > <rdeininger-1511022204120001@1cust215.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,6 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: >>> In articleM >>> <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660B62@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,-, >>> "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote: >>> 	 >>>>Mark,  >>>>I >>>>As a fyi - Here is what the latest Alpha ES45 1.25Mhz system produceseG >>>>when a $show cpu/full is entered: (dual CPU system). Hopefully, ther4 >>>>formatting does not get munged with email, but - >>> I >>> Kerry, you're sending with stinkware from the Gates of Hell.  This iss# >>> microslop's idea of plain text:c >>> / >>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableD >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; $ >>>>              charset="us-ascii" >>>>Mime-Version: 1.0r >>>  >>= >>I have just inspected a couple of emails that I sent my VMS @ >>system from work using Outlook. They too come with the headers? >>above. Outlook has been set to send "text only" messages (ando> >>the checkbox is greyed out so I cannot change it), yet thoseB >>headers remain. The text however, _is_ straight unmolested text. > F > Is it really?  Text that doesn't contain the quoted-printable escape% > character "=" will usually look ok.e > I > A mail reader that knows how to interpret quoted-printable will convert 7 > the gibberish back to plain text when it displays it.o  : Ah yes. On Monday I sent a=b+c from Outlook at work and itI to a VMS system and it came out as straight text. I will say that whoever1< implemented Outlook at work did lock it it down pretty well.  9 But as point worth noting is that I am on Outlook 97, and 9 the mail headers say we are using OpenMail, not Exchange.a  M BUT, when I send a message to my official address from my VMS system at work,iI why does Outlook translate the underscore in my VMS username to a comma, a< effectively splitting it to 2 non-existant usernames, which C means I cannot reply to it? Oh, it drops the fully qualified domainh@ name (internal address). My Tru64 colleague tried similar today.  J He sent an email from his Tru64 box to his official address. As opposed to; VMSmail. it didn't drop the underscore, but it did drop the K .companyname.com. Same Result - cannot reply to an email from a non-M$ box.h  P Why also, if I inadvertently type, for example,  rdeiningr in the address field,G and then change focus to another input field, why  will Outlook not letr= me edit the name the add the missing letter? I have to deletee. the lot and type the full email address again.  7 LookOut is simply more labour intensive than necessary.r   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerlandt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:14:16 +0100n2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)> Subject: Re: What EV am I running? (family name for processor); Message-ID: <3ddc4178.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>o  * Paul Sture (p_sture@elias.decus.ch) wrote:I > BUT, when I send a message to my official address from my VMS system atiI > work, why does Outlook translate the underscore in my VMS username to a-F > comma,  effectively splitting it to 2 non-existant usernames, which J > means I cannot reply to it? Oh, it drops the fully qualified domain name= > (internal address). My Tru64 colleague tried similar today.h > I > He sent an email from his Tru64 box to his official address. As opposed0@ > to VMSmail. it didn't drop the underscore, but it did drop theH > .companyname.com. Same Result - cannot reply to an email from a non-M$ > box.  B If I should guess, I'd blame it on the format of the address, i.e.1 "name" <email@address>  vs.  email@address (name)e1 LookOut seems to have problems with some of them.r  eC > Why also, if I inadvertently type, for example,  rdeiningr in thehH > address field, and then change focus to another input field, why  willH > Outlook not let me edit the name the add the missing letter? I have to7 > delete the lot and type the full email address again.   C LookOut tries to be helpful (now I wouldn't want any program out ofwG Redmond to help me... ;-) and looks in several places for a record witha@ the name you typed. Successful or not, it changes the entry intoA something containing a display name, an email address, and a mail2D transport. Right click on the address (which gets underlined if that= process has taken place), and select "properties" to edit it.g   cu,u   Martin -- iJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deaJ One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 13:19:23 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)h< Subject: Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter= Message-ID: <8a646952.0211201319.7b8b5153@posting.google.com>*  d Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<200211200749.IAA15407@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>... > Hello, > A > in case of buildung up a new system with OpenVMS 7.3-1, I woulde? > like to know what the best value for CHANNELCNT. Should it asp@ > big as possible? Or should it be small (min CHANNELCNT=FILLM)? > What are the rules?h >   > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   Rudolf,i  B CHANNELCNT should be at its max value on the VAX and at some largeE value on the Alpha. Remember, to change the CHANNELCNT value you muste: occur a reboot while the FILLM can be changed dynamically.   Daryl Joness   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2002 08:52:11 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)h< Subject: Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter3 Message-ID: <RrIbsYb4ek81@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  W In article <20NOV200206451723@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:c, > Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes...	 > }Hello,O > } B > }in case of buildung up a new system with OpenVMS 7.3-1, I would@ > }like to know what the best value for CHANNELCNT. Should it asA > }big as possible? Or should it be small (min CHANNELCNT=FILLM)?  > }What are the rules? > } ! > }TIA and regards Rudolf Wingertw >   < 	If you have a bunch of small files, it will help backup to	? 	jack up CHANNELCNT and adjust up FILLM in your backup account.y  = 	There is a DSN article on backup tuning and in it , we read:l  >  3.  Set the process limit FILLM equal to the SYSGEN parameterF      (CHANNELCNT - 15), but never higher.  If FILLM is set higher than4      this, the following type of messages can occur:  )           %BACKUP-?-NOMSG, message number    ---e  ? 	Personally... I set CHANNELCNT to a "reasonable" high value of.D 	2048.  Don't think the backup comes close and haven't took the time7 	to see what it peaks at.  I've one or two volumes with4< 	a bunch of small files so it isn't worth the effort (to me) 	in pursuing it.  8 	However, at the bottom is a DCL that I use from time to= 	time to poke at processes interactively.  Maybe you tweek it @ 	up to see what your backup process is peaking at with FILLM and> 	adjust your CHANNELCNT accordingly (i.e. set it high and then: 	lower it to a reasonable value).  Can't say where I foundD 	it.  I have hundreds of DCL routines like that, without attributionA 	in the DCL itself.  I don't recall taking out the author's name,w6 	I don't usually do that and those aren't my comments.  1 	Check the DCL, I can see a couple wraps already.a   				Robt   $ !kG $ !From another session (may need to be SYSTEM user), get the ID of theoH $ !process thats exceeding quota (before the job starts if you can) then: $ !run the following com file giving the ID as a parameter $ !- $ !eg @quotas 2345678  $ !2G $ !It doesn't always point up the problem quota but its useful to have.jK $ !While i've no problems with it, i didn't write it and you run it at your0 $ !own risk. $ !a
 $ !Regards $ !n $ SET CONTROL=Y, $ on CONTROL_Y then goto end $ on WARNING then goto end $ on ERROR then goto end $ ESC[0,8] == 27 $ DELAY := "00:00:02"c $ SET term/NOBROAD $ SAY = "write sys$output" $ if p1 .eqs. "" $ then pid = f$getjpi("","PID")u $ Else pid = p1M $ endife $! $ loopcount = 0 	 $ a = """  $ pid = a+pid+aw $ init_time = f$TIME() $ Say "''ESC'[2J"u $ Say "''ESC'[0;0H"r $ Say "" $! $  firstloop := TRUE $ * $ Name          = F$getjpi('pid',"PRCNAM")) $ ASTLM         = F$getjpi('pid',"ASTLM")r) $ FILLM         = F$getjpi('pid',"FILLM") ) $ DIOLM         = F$getjpi('pid',"DIOLM") ) $ BIOLM         = F$getjpi('pid',"BIOLM") ) $ BYTLM         = F$getjpi('pid',"BYTLM") ( $ TQLM          = F$getjpi('pid',"TQLM")) $ ENQLM         = F$getjpi('pid',"ENQLM")C- $ PGFLQUO       = F$getjpi('pid',"PGFLQUOTA")O+ $ WSDEFAULT     = F$getjpi('pid',"DFWSCNT") + $ WSQUOTA       = F$getjpi('pid',"WSQUOTA") , $ WSEXTENT      = F$getjpi('pid',"WSEXTENT")$ $!              = F$getjpi('pid',"") $LOOP: $ SAY "''ESC'[0;0H"e $!7 $ STATE         =               F$getjpi('pid',"STATE")r: $ IMAGE         =               F$getjpi('pid',"IMAGNAME")9 $  ASTCNT        = 'ASTLM'   -   F$getjpi('pid',"ASTCNT").8 $ FILCNT        = 'FILLM'   -   F$getjpi('pid',"FILCNT")8 $ DIOCNT        = 'DIOLM'   -   F$getjpi('pid',"DIOCNT")8 $ BIOCNT        = 'BIOLM'   -   F$getjpi('pid',"BIOCNT")8 $ BYTCNT        = 'BYTLM'   -   F$getjpi('pid',"BYTCNT")7 $ TQCNT         = 'TQLM'    -   F$getjpi('pid',"TQCNT") 8 $ ENQCNT        = 'ENQLM'   -   F$getjpi('pid',"ENQCNT"); $ PAGFILCNT     = 'PGFLQUO' -   F$getjpi('pid',"PAGFILCNT")18 $ WSSIZE        =               F$getjpi('pid',"WSSIZE")8 $ GLOBAL        =               F$getjpi('pid',"GPGCNT")8 $ PROCESS       =               F$getjpi('pid',"PPGCNT"): $ FAULTS        =               F$getjpi('pid',"PAGEFLTS")8 $ CPUTIM        =               F$getjpi('pid',"CPUTIM") $ CPU_SEC       = CPUTIM / 100* $ CPU_HUND      = CPUTIM - (CPU_SEC * 100)* $ CPUTIME       = "''CPU_SEC'.''CPU_HUND'" $!( $ If firstloop Then gosub INITIAL_values $!B $ IF 'ASTCNT'    .GT. MAX_ASTCNT THEN    MAX_ASTCNT     = 'ASTCNT'B $ IF 'FILCNT'    .GT. MAX_FILCNT THEN    MAX_FILCNT     = 'FILCNT'B $ IF 'DIOCNT'    .GT. MAX_DIOCNT THEN    MAX_DIOCNT     = 'DIOCNT'B $ IF 'BIOCNT'    .GT. MAX_BIOCNT THEN    MAX_BIOCNT     = 'BIOCNT'B $ IF 'BYTCNT'    .GT. MAX_BYTCNT THEN    MAX_BYTCNT     = 'BYTCNT'A $ IF 'TQCNT'     .GT. MAX_TQCNT  THEN    MAX_TQCNT      = 'TQCNT'iB $ IF 'ENQCNT'    .GT. MAX_ENQCNT THEN    MAX_ENQCNT     = 'ENQCNT'E $ IF 'PAGFILCNT' .GT. MAX_PAGFILCNT THEN MAX_PAGFILCNT  = 'PAGFILCNT'sB $ IF 'WSSIZE'    .GT. MAX_WSSIZE THEN    MAX_WSSIZE     = 'WSSIZE'B $ IF 'GLOBAL'    .GT. MAX_GLOBAL THEN    MAX_GLOBAL     = 'GLOBAL' $!P $ TEXT = F$FAO("Process Name: !AS   State: !AS   Start-Time: !AS", NAME, STATE,  F$TIME(),"    ") $ SAY "''ESC'[1;0H''TEXT'"! $ IMAGE = F$PARSE(IMAGE,,,"NAME")p@ $ TEXT = F$FAO("Image Name: !AS   PID: !AS  CPUTIME: !AS !AS", -'   IMAGE,PID,CPUTIME,"seconds         ")l $ SAY "''ESC'[2;0H ''TEXT'"e. $ say "''ESC'[5;0H Process Quota Information:"G $ say "''ESC'[6;0H             Quota    Used     ( % )   MAX used since  ''init_t ime'"e% $  percent = ( ASTCNT * 100 / ASTLM )LO $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!3(8SL)%!8SL", "ASTLM", ASTLM, ASTCNT, PERCENT,MAX_ASTCNT)d
 $ SAY TEXT$ $ percent = ( FILCNT * 100 / FILLM )O $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!3(8SL)%!8SL", "FILLM", FILLM, FILCNT, PERCENT,MAX_FILCNT)o
 $ SAY TEXT$ $ percent = ( DIOCNT * 100 / DIOLM )O $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!3(8SL)%!8SL", "DIOLM", DIOLM, DIOCNT, PERCENT,MAX_DIOCNT)t
 $ SAY TEXT$ $ percent = ( BIOCNT * 100 / BIOLM )O $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!3(8SL)%!8SL", "BIOLM", BIOLM, BIOCNT, PERCENT,MAX_BIOCNT)u
 $ SAY TEXT$ $ percent = ( BYTCNT * 100 / BYTLM )O $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!3(8SL)%!8SL", "BYTLM", BYTLM, BYTCNT, PERCENT,MAX_BYTCNT) 
 $ SAY TEXT$ $ percent = ( ENQCNT * 100 / ENQLM )O $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!3(8SL)%!8SL", "ENQLM", ENQLM, ENQCNT, PERCENT,MAX_ENQCNT)t
 $ SAY TEXT" $ percent = ( TQCNT * 100 / TQLM )L $  TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!3(8SL)%!8SL", "TQLM", TQLM, TQCNT, PERCENT,MAX_TQCNT)
 $ SAY TEXT) $ percent = ( PAGFILCNT * 100 / PGFLQUO )iM $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!3(8SL)%!8SL", "PGFLQUOTA", PGFLQUO, PAGFILCNT, PERCENT,f MA X_PAGFILCNT)
 $ SAY TEXT $ SAY "" $ SAY "Working Set Info." & $ SAY "                      Max size"1 $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!8SL", "WSEXTENT", WSEXTENT)i
 $ SAY TEXT/ $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!8SL", "WSQUOTA", WSQUOTA) 
 $ SAY TEXT3 $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!8SL", "WSDEFAULT", WSDEFAULT) 
 $ SAY TEXT0 $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!2(8SL)", "WSSIZE", WSSIZE)
 $ SAY TEXT $ TOTAL = GLOBAL + PROCESS+ $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!8SL", "PAGES", TOTAL) 
 $ SAY TEXT- $ TEXT = F$FAO("!10AS!8SL", "FAULTS", FAULTS) 
 $ SAY TEXT $ WAIT 'DELAY' $ loopcount = loopcount + 1  $ if loopcount .gt. 1 then exitn $ GOTO LOOP=$ $!              = F$getjpi('pid',"") $! $ end: $       SET term/BROAD $       Say "''ESC'[2J"t $       Say "''ESC'[22;0H" $       exit $! $INITIAL_values: $ MAX_ASTCNT    = 'ASTCNT' $ MAX_FILCNT    = 'FILCNT' $ MAX_DIOCNT    = 'DIOCNT' $ MAX_BIOCNT    = 'BIOCNT' $ MAX_BYTCNT    = 'BYTCNT' $ MAX_TQCNT     = 'TQCNT'  $ MAX_ENQCNT    = 'ENQCNT' $ MAX_PAGFILCNT = 'PAGFILCNT'  $ MAX_WSSIZE    = 'WSSIZE' $ MAX_GLOBAL    = 'GLOBAL' $! $ firstloop := FALSE $ return   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:20:00 -0500d5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> 3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system?s2 Message-ID: <TO7bPSwAmgqPngIMbahHQGgTM1oF@4ax.com>  6 Also, to check for patches you already have installed, the command is:y   PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT VMS /FULL   David R. Beattyi  6 On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:54:13 +0100, "Tomasz Dryjanski"& <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:   >i.e. V7.2-1H1.eF >I have tried www.compaq.com, but I was unable to find any link to VMS	 >patches.  >  >TIA for your answers  >E >T. D. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:52:18 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>3 Subject: RE: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated 0 Message-ID: <01C29093.B6D882B0@sulfer.icius.com>  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6328  C Apparently AMD aren't limiting their intended customer base for the G Hammer range to servers, like Intel are doing with the Itanic. AMD just4F demonstrated a 64 bit version of Unreal Tournament 2003 on Hammer (theD Athlon 64 variation) and Epic say they'll ship it when the chip hits retail shelves.h  @ I am conflicted. I much prefer the Hammer design, and want it toH survive. But if it does, Itanium has less chance of surviving which will% contribute to killing my beloved VMS.c  * Come on HP, port us to Hammer too! PLEASE!   Shanea   -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]n' Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:27 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 Subject: Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstratede     Shane Smith wrote: >  >rM http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~62604,00.ht0 ml    D > So MS are going to try and do a multi-platform OS again. (Ha ha haE > bonk*) I wonder how long before they pick one and stick to it? IMHO . > it'll be hammer, if AMD survive long enough.    A Since Hammer is just a glorified 8086, I don't really see it as a0	 differentFG platform. In fact, AMD made a point in that press release to state thatF the 321 bit Office software ran fine on that 64 platform.=  E *in concept* the 64 bit 8686 is the winning platform, compared to the- totally-G different IA64 which is incompatible with "industry standard" software.- (lets G use Carly's own terminology to show how Carly's decision to put all her- ovum8 in the Intel basket is going to come back to haunt her).  E Whether AMD can deliver the product is a different issue. But I thinkl thatE their concept to develop the industry standard 8086 to 64 bits is thee rightyF one. And Intel should know, they managed to get the 8086 from an 8 bit bus toH a 16 bit bus, and then evolve that same architectire to 32 bits, exactlyF because they knew that software compatibility was job #1 for commodity	 products.l  F If AMD succeeds, it will truly relegate IA64 as HP's proprietarry chip that runs NSK, VMS and HPUX.a  G And if that happens, I feel that Alpha would be a much better choice asc a B "proprietary" chip than IA64, both in cost, technology and easy of upgradea# since it is a cleaner architecture.7   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:26:19 -0500-* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>3 Subject: Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstratedo2 Message-ID: <Jo2dnUqnGdmEh0GgXTWc3A@metrocast.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3DDC0182.DC202117@vl.videotron.ca...Y > Shane Smith wrote:D > > I am conflicted. I much prefer the Hammer design, and want it toL > > survive. But if it does, Itanium has less chance of surviving which will) > > contribute to killing my beloved VMS.  >pI > If AMD succeeds, it may relegate Intel to the same ranks as Motorola or  Texas L > Instruments, with AMD leading the way of CPUs. If/when that happens, CarlyA > will be the first one to ditch Intel and fall in love with AMD.   D That's fine for her IA32 product lines, but yet another port for her 'proprietary' systems.   >tL > Considering how long it took intel to produce merced and how dismal mercedK > was, how many years would it take for intel to produce a 64-bit 8086 thatl	 > rocks ?y  G They reportedly already have something of that sort in 'Yamhill' - just G aren't willing to undercut Itanic by releasing it.  It would not be toopC difficult to believe that Yamhill would not be far behind Hammer inaL SPECint/fp (P4 being somewhat ahead of Athlon, but Hammer being a noticeableH improvement over Athlon - largely because of its excellent memory-accessK characteristics), though the EV7-style on-chip Hammer glue would likely puttG it well out in front in latency/bandwidth-intensive and MP use (just asnJ Hammer should be farther out in front of Madison in such respects than the+ more minor lead it should have in SPECint).:   >.L > Whith the current announced schedules, by the time IA64 becomes palatable, it4 > will have been in development for nearly a decade.  L IA64 has *already* been in development for nearly a decade, even by the mostG charitable of measures:  HP and Intel announced that they were actively.D working together on it in 1994 (over 8 years ago - first release wasH originally scheduled for 1997), and HP started *studying* it in 1988-89.  J And, of course, there is no really palatable Itanic yet discussed publiclyK by Intel:  Madison (2003) and Montecito (2004) will continue to struggle to L keep up with their better RISC counterparts (and Hammer) while still using aI lot more power and chip area (and requiring feedback-directed development K optimization far more than their competition), and Intel is not yet talking K about what might appear in 2005 (though if it's just a dual-core Montecito,.F as rumors are starting to suggest, that won't cut the mustard either).  H EV7-style on-chip glue *could* appear in 2005 and would help a lot if itJ did.  Otherwise, plan on waiting until an Alpha-team-inspired core appears in 2006 - 7.    There really isn't any waya > to spin this into a success. >j2 > How long has AMD been working on a 64 bit 8086 ?  H It may have started in 1999, but that's just a vague recollection (makesJ sense, though, since IIRC that's when Athlon debuted and Hammer is heavily based on Athlon).o   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:41:31 -0500h0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>3 Subject: Re: Windows 64-bit on Opteron demonstrated / Message-ID: <3DDC0182.DC202117@vl.videotron.ca>D   Shane Smith wrote:B > I am conflicted. I much prefer the Hammer design, and want it toJ > survive. But if it does, Itanium has less chance of surviving which will' > contribute to killing my beloved VMS.h  M If AMD succeeds, it may relegate Intel to the same ranks as Motorola or Texas J Instruments, with AMD leading the way of CPUs. If/when that happens, Carly? will be the first one to ditch Intel and fall in love with AMD.r  J Considering how long it took intel to produce merced and how dismal mercedI was, how many years would it take for intel to produce a 64-bit 8086 that- rocks ?-  M Whith the current announced schedules, by the time IA64 becomes palatable, it<M will have been in development for nearly a decade. There really isn't any wayv to spin this into a success.  0 How long has AMD been working on a 64 bit 8086 ?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.643 ************************