1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 644       Contents: allocating from P1 Re: allocating from P1 Re: allocating from P1 Re: allocating from P1 Re: allocating from P1 Alpha post-upgrade problem Re: Attaching files on VMSmail+ Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail + Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail % Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates 3 Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? M Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before you write it  Get owner info from UAF  Re: Get owner info from UAF  Re: Get owner info from UAF % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure - Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now. ) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ) RE: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ) RE: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org C Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha??? C Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha??? C Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha??? C Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha??? 8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems RE: Jaw dropping EV7 systems$ Just got back from OpenVMS Symposium Re: Linux for Alpha/VAX  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Multinet did not work  Re: Multinet did not work ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1% Re: PHP sybase_ct module availability % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance   Read/Write Locks in an SMP setup$ Re: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setup$ RE: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setup$ Re: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setup Re: Setting HBA QueueDepth" Strange behavior in command DELETE Termination mailbox problem  Re: Termination mailbox problem  Re: Termination mailbox problem  Re: Termination mailbox problem  TPU scripting for MAIL ? Re: TPU scripting for MAIL ? Re: TPU scripting for MAIL ?> Re: Unauthorised mail access, was: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS3 Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter @ Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at Montagar?* Re: Where can I find patches to my system?* Re: Where can I find patches to my system?* Re: Where can I find patches to my system?6 Re: Would HP ever do something like this for VMS? Nah!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 07:34:27 -08001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)  Subject: allocating from P1 = Message-ID: <477e0934.0211210734.559962f9@posting.google.com>    the heap is in P0  the stack is in P1D given that I can not use 64-bit programming to allocate from P2, andF that my application uses very little stack, and lots of heap, is thereE any way that I can allocate memory from P1?  I'd like to write my own E wrapper function that allocates memory from either P1 or P0, and have 5 my applications call that wrapper rather than malloc.    Thanks for your suggestions,  
 joshua lehrer  factset research systems   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:11:31 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: allocating from P1 0 Message-ID: <00A174D7.3768A8CD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <477e0934.0211210734.559962f9@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:  >the heap is in P0 >the stack is in P1 E >given that I can not use 64-bit programming to allocate from P2, and G >that my application uses very little stack, and lots of heap, is there F >any way that I can allocate memory from P1?  I'd like to write my ownF >wrapper function that allocates memory from either P1 or P0, and have6 >my applications call that wrapper rather than malloc.  E Conceivably, you could allocate memory from P1 space.  However, where D you allocate that P1 space with respect to the user stack (which canE grow to the entire extent of P1 space bounded by @CTL$GL_CTLBASVA and E 40000000[16]) will be key.  If you can somehow change the base of the D user stack pointer (@CTL$GL_CTLBASVA), you can create a region above the user stack.   E Why do you think you need to allocate space in P1?  What's wrong with C P0?  Unless, of course, it's cluttered with executable code because D your using a "clutteral" language like C++ or you're trying to cacheE the entire US Census database, I don't see why you cannot get by with  P0.   C Explain what you're trying to accomplish and there my be other ways . to skin the cat that you're trying to defrock.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:13:08 -0000 2 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: allocating from P1 4 Message-ID: <arj474$702$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  3 usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:  > >the heap is in P0 > >the stack is in P1 G > >given that I can not use 64-bit programming to allocate from P2, and I > >that my application uses very little stack, and lots of heap, is there H > >any way that I can allocate memory from P1?  I'd like to write my ownH > >wrapper function that allocates memory from either P1 or P0, and have8 > >my applications call that wrapper rather than malloc.  L The easy way would be to allocate a suitably huge piece of stack in the mainL procedure, and then use lib$create_vm_zone to set it up correctly. Take careL not to initialize it unnecessarily - memory you don't touch can remain DZRO,I and never be faulted into physical memory (don't know if this is possible  for stack).   J But as the vaxman said, do you really need more than 1Gb of memory (that's) the P0 32-bit limit), and less than 2Gb ?    Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:20:37 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: allocating from P1 3 Message-ID: <2KeqWh8mzGfw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <477e0934.0211210734.559962f9@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:  > the heap is in P0  > the stack is in P1F > given that I can not use 64-bit programming to allocate from P2, andH > that my application uses very little stack, and lots of heap, is thereG > any way that I can allocate memory from P1?  I'd like to write my own G > wrapper function that allocates memory from either P1 or P0, and have 7 > my applications call that wrapper rather than malloc.   C    IIRC there are lots of routines (alloc, calloc, ?) that allocate A    space on the stack.  Most of them have been ported to VAX.  On     an Alpha it's a bit harder.  @    If you know the size you need while your in the main routine,>    or some routine which is higher up on the calling tree than?    all the routines that need the data, you just bump the SP by B    the needed size and use the new SP value as the the pointer to @    the data.  If you are doing this within a utility routine youD    bump the saved SP on the stack and use that value as the pointer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:35:11 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: allocating from P1 . Message-ID: <3DDD275E.8209EFCF@mindspring.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:  s > In article <477e0934.0211210734.559962f9@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:  > > the heap is in P0  > > the stack is in P1H > > given that I can not use 64-bit programming to allocate from P2, andJ > > that my application uses very little stack, and lots of heap, is thereI > > any way that I can allocate memory from P1?  I'd like to write my own I > > wrapper function that allocates memory from either P1 or P0, and have 9 > > my applications call that wrapper rather than malloc.  > E >    IIRC there are lots of routines (alloc, calloc, ?) that allocate C >    space on the stack.  Most of them have been ported to VAX.  On   >    an Alpha it's a bit harder.  % I think you were thinking of alloca .   A man>   The alloca() function allocates size bytes of space in the > man>   stack frame of the caller, and returns a pointer to theC man>   allocated block. This temporary space is automatically freed @ man>   when the caller returns. If the allocated block is beyondD man>   the current stack limit, the resulting behavior is undefined.  ) And calloc is just malloc that clears the ' space that was allocated from the heap.    Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:13:00 +0100 ( From: "Piotr Glowacz" <pglowacz@used.pl># Subject: Alpha post-upgrade problem & Message-ID: <arj46o$rcc$1@news.tpi.pl>   Dear AllH Today I've upgraded the CPU Modules firmware from 4/xxx to 5/xxx. It wasK very stupid move, since I have AS 2100A 4/275 system ;-) I was in hurry and ' didn't read the instructions carefully. H Now, when I'm powering up the system, all messages on the OCP stop with:K "FAIL I/O_00 0004". I've tried to run into FSL (by enabling FSL switch) and J powering the machine with the HALT button in, but with no results. Now, myE question is - what else can I do BEFORE I turn to the Compaq support? G My system is AS 2100A RM, with four EV4 processors and one 512MB memory  board.   TIA, Piotr    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 07:33:59 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: Attaching files on VMSmail 3 Message-ID: <nf1miys1IdFz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DDBE7F7.7ECECC09@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: @ >> To my knowledge, there is no requirement that the user agentsB >> display such messages properly or allow their clients to createH >> messages with such long lines.  But the transport service is required >> to handle them properly.  > M > Although it is not a MUST, there are plenty of indications in the RFCs that P > each line must be terminated with a <CR><LF> and that lines should be about 8- > characters (fit on a screen).   C Lines _MUST_ be terminated with <CR><LF>.  That's basic to RFC 821. > And it's pretty strongly embedded in RFC 822 and MIME as well.4 That's what a line is.  Text followed by a <CR><LF>.  H 1000 character lines _MUST_ be handled properly.  That's part of RFC 821> as well.  (Actually, it's 998 character lines encoded as up toF 1001 characters if you count the terminating <CR><LF> and possible dot
 stuffing).  ? I don't recall seeing any language in RFC 822 or MIME governing D minimum supported line length there.  For 7BIT encoding, I've always7 assumed that any reasonable implementation would handle @ the lesser of the length supported by the transport layer(s) and* the length supported by the message store.  = In my opinion, a user agent should use 7BIT encoding for line ; lengths up to at least 132 characters.  Past that it's more 8 of a judgement call.  At 1000 characters, the user agent- should definitely switch to QUOTED-PRINTABLE.   < If you can find chapter and verse where a different behavior# is recommended, I'd love to see it.   J > I think that the 1000 character buffer  was not intended for "paragraphsN > encided as a sintle line" but rather to provide the ability to send listings2 > and wide data/tables. (where each line is long).  F Certainly, you'll find lots of paragraphs longer than 1000 characters,E making the guarantee of 1000 character support only marginally useful  for that application.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 06:37:40 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail3 Message-ID: <SjGes4d3nwT0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3DDBD823.B0B8BABA@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: ! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  >>  < >> I mean a dumb user.  At least 90% of all users seem to beE >> are unable to deal with a BASE64 encoded data if their mail client - >> has not automatically decoded it for them.  > 1 > Which is expected and perhaps quite reasonable.  > C > I'd say that just a very very few out of the user base (including B > all 100's of millions PC users) know what "BASE64" is. Much much2 > less then 10%. Perhaps just a few ppm's of them. > 8 > That does *NOT* make them all dumb. Or even make *any* > of them dumb.   9 Sorry.  I didn't really mean to be that pejorative.  When 7 I talk about "typical dumb users", I generally mean the 2 term both humorously and affectionately.  It's not; the user's fault that they don't know how their mail system 4 works.  And, indeed, they shouldn't have to know how	 it works.   = Still, when you fix their computer by hitting the "on" switch < on their power strip it can be tough to hold in the laughter" until you are safely out of range.   Users.  Gotta love 'em.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 06:48:41 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail3 Message-ID: <PlDduBwbakkx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <SjGes4d3nwT0@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > ; > Sorry.  I didn't really mean to be that pejorative.  When 9 > I talk about "typical dumb users", I generally mean the 4 > term both humorously and affectionately.  It's not= > the user's fault that they don't know how their mail system 6 > works.  And, indeed, they shouldn't have to know how > it works.  >   G A couple of years or so ago, I used MPACK to pack up some binary files, H before sending them (in the body of a message created using VMS MAIL) to+ a VMS support person at CPQ here in the UK.   - I had to talk him through how to decode them.    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       & "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:21:16 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> . Subject: Re: Capellas was offered job by Gates8 Message-ID: <20021121082116.773cf275.mathog@caltech.edu>  " On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:46:58 -0500( "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:    D > Well, it certainly would not grow volume if the company making theG > software does not even respond to fixing basic things like shipping a < > product with the debug code loaded throughout the product.  ? Perhaps they shipped it that way because the code would not run E when compiled optimized and/or without the debug code included?  I've 6 seen many programs over the years where a bug triggers? that behavior.  This sort of bug is usually a real PITA to find A because it only manifests itself when you cannot easily debug it. G Generally it comes down to debugging via printf statements.  Even then, : since this tends to be a memory access problem, the printfA statements can change the program's behavior in inexplicable ways L and at great distances from the actual problem (ie, the site who's variablesF that get stepped on rather than the code which is doing the stomping.)  E It's a reasonable hypothesis given the vast number of bugs which ship ! in the average Microsoft product.    Regards,     David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:43:43 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> < Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?. Message-ID: <3ddd1c54$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  $ Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...< >In article <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >> Fabio Cardoso wrote:  >>> 	 >>> Click  >>> - >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.html  >>H >> Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at OpenVMS, >> don't count on it.  > 8 >I would not count it out as being technically possible. > E >Certainly HP would not provide technical support, but it is possible : >you might be able to buy a license (and not get support).  H As he said, I think the only question is one of licensing, I don't thinkL there is a technical issue, as long as they are following all the firmware & hardware rules.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:51:48 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>< Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?0 Message-ID: <01C29143.AD668A50@sulfer.icius.com>  E Did you just say "firmware and hardware rules"? Are you implying that H the VMS port to Itanium will run on any Itanic based system that followsH Intel's guidelines regardless of manufacturer? If that's what you meant, I'm interested and encouraged.  F Call me cynical (because I am, and I know it) but I'd sort of expectedA there to be some widget or other that tied VMS to HP's own Itanic 1 systems, probably in the form of custom firmware.    Shane    -----Original Message-----: From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]) Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:44 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?      $ Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...< >In article <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >> Fabio Cardoso wrote:  >>> 	 >>> Click  >>> - >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.html  >>H >> Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at OpenVMS, >> don't count on it.  > 8 >I would not count it out as being technically possible. > E >Certainly HP would not provide technical support, but it is possible : >you might be able to buy a license (and not get support).  H As he said, I think the only question is one of licensing, I don't thinkA there is a technical issue, as long as they are following all the 
 firmware & hardware rules.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:18:14 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) < Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?3 Message-ID: <Y3UGXfrdnQqx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <01C29143.AD668A50@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: G > Did you just say "firmware and hardware rules"? Are you implying that J > the VMS port to Itanium will run on any Itanic based system that followsJ > Intel's guidelines regardless of manufacturer? If that's what you meant,  ' 	Yes, that appears to be what he means.     > I'm interested and encouraged. > H > Call me cynical (because I am, and I know it) but I'd sort of expectedC > there to be some widget or other that tied VMS to HP's own Itanic 3 > systems, probably in the form of custom firmware.  >   < 	It is indeed getting harder to FUD up IA64 with Dell lining; 	up and all that.  Because... we know it means the hardware + 	will be very reasonable in cost, don't we?    	Earlier, Fred had said this:   d http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=oXjS8.29%24Wi6.433260%40news.cpqcorp.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain  5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  Subject: Re: VMS port delayed!# Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:10:28 GMT   M "BTW - to make the poor guy at Island feel better - this is one reason why it I would be more difficult to stop VMS from running on generic hardware - we E are doing our best to not have detailed knowledge of the HW above the E controller level.  And just *try* to find some string or value in the 6 firmware to tell you the vendor and the model number."  ; 	But you may have missed that Shane.  Glad to see you back.    				Rob    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:43:03 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>< Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?@ Message-ID: <20021121184303.38452.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>  F I dont have doubt that HP in the future can use the same Itanium boardC as DELL, made by Intel ! The cost will not grow with mass productin C of Itanium Motherboards by Intel.... and.... HP can plug all their  B Network/Storage hardware in these motherboards. If Itanium will beB the consolidation processor, why not consolidade the production of< the boards. HP can append just their specifc hardware ! ! ! < At the end, I think Itanium will be one standard hardware !    Regards    FC  ) --- Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote: G > Did you just say "firmware and hardware rules"? Are you implying that J > the VMS port to Itanium will run on any Itanic based system that followsJ > Intel's guidelines regardless of manufacturer? If that's what you meant,  > I'm interested and encouraged. > H > Call me cynical (because I am, and I know it) but I'd sort of expectedC > there to be some widget or other that tied VMS to HP's own Itanic 3 > systems, probably in the form of custom firmware.  >  > Shane  >  > -----Original Message-----< > From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]+ > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:44 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? >  >  > & > Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...> > >In article <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"! > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > >> Fabio Cardoso wrote:  > >>>  > >>> Click  > >>> / > >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.html  > >>J > >> Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at OpenVMS, > >> don't count on it.  > > : > >I would not count it out as being technically possible. > > G > >Certainly HP would not provide technical support, but it is possible < > >you might be able to buy a license (and not get support). > J > As he said, I think the only question is one of licensing, I don't thinkC > there is a technical issue, as long as they are following all the  > firmware & > hardware rules.  >  >  >  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?5 Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.  http://mailplus.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:45:41 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>< Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?0 Message-ID: <01C2914B.31E2B130@sulfer.icius.com>  E I have no doubt this would be a good thing for us customers, but I do B wonder why HP would take a captive market and open it up for otherH vendors to take a bite. However, from other postings it does indeed seemF this is what they're doing. Could this indicate an interest in growing/ the user base? Did I just see a flying pig? :-/   
 I'm confused.    Shane    -----Original Message-----5 From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br] * Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:43 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?    F I dont have doubt that HP in the future can use the same Itanium boardC as DELL, made by Intel ! The cost will not grow with mass productin E of Itanium Motherboards by Intel.... and.... HP can plug all their=20 B Network/Storage hardware in these motherboards. If Itanium will beB the consolidation processor, why not consolidade the production of> the boards. HP can append just their specifc hardware ! ! !=20> At the end, I think Itanium will be one standard hardware !=20   Regards    FC=20 ) --- Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote: G > Did you just say "firmware and hardware rules"? Are you implying that D > the VMS port to Itanium will run on any Itanic based system that = follows E > Intel's guidelines regardless of manufacturer? If that's what you =  meant,  > I'm interested and encouraged. >=20H > Call me cynical (because I am, and I know it) but I'd sort of expectedC > there to be some widget or other that tied VMS to HP's own Itanic 3 > systems, probably in the form of custom firmware.  >=20 > Shane  >=20 > -----Original Message-----< > From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]+ > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:44 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? >=20 >=20 >=20& > Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...> > >In article <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"! > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > >> Fabio Cardoso wrote:  > >>>  > >>> Click  > >>> / > >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.html  > >>C > >> Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at =  OpenVMS, > >> don't count on it.  > > : > >I would not count it out as being technically possible. > > G > >Certainly HP would not provide technical support, but it is possible < > >you might be able to buy a license (and not get support). >=20F > As he said, I think the only question is one of licensing, I don't = think C > there is a technical issue, as long as they are following all the  > firmware & > hardware rules.  >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?5 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.  http://mailplus.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:31:56 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> V Subject: Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before you write it5 Message-ID: <arj1pt$j95c4$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>    Curtis Rempel wrote: >...1 > a) there seems to be a case of sloppy cut/paste H > b) the exam questions are actually the same ones from the 010-629 pool> > c) Compaq was attempting to brainwash VMS folks into Windows& > (followups to alt.conspiracy please) > d) both a) and b)  >...   e) Incompetence.  J Until about two weeks ago if you went to the logos page you had the optionK of downloading the "OpenVMS Unix - System Adminstrator" logo, they took the D "Unix" out of there when I complained, but as of yesterday still hadH "Administrator" spelt wrong for both VMS and Tru64. I'm not the greatestG speller in the world, but I don't think I would allow "Adminstrator" or G "Virutal" (on their "Technical benefits" page) to slip past the quality & control and onto an official web site.  L I have now asked three times for them to put the VMS System Engineer logo onK the page, the first time I was told that the logo was available, the second K and third times I asked the question was ignored. When I wrote to tell them I that I do not want to receive HTML e-mail I also pointed out that I still G could not find the logo even though I was told that it was available on L October 25th. This time I received a reply that the logos were being changed> but they would e-mail the old one to me. This was my response;1    If you are changing the logo I do not need the 5    old logo, but it would have been nice for <munged> 0    to say "We are in the process of changing the/    logo so we will not post the old one that is .    missing." Maybe he did not need to say that-    the first time I asked, maybe not even the /    second, but after I asked for it THREE TIMES -    YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN POLITE ENOUGH     TO ANSWER!"  L They have known for at least two days that their new e-mail address does notJ work, they are looking into it. They are also looking at a way to send outL there newsletter in a plain text format, I hope they remember to add me back% into their mailing list when they do.   K They have adopted the VMS style of stealth marketing; unless you go looking G (from http://www.openvms.compaq.com/index.html click on "OpenVMS course I descriptions" then click on "HP Certified Professional" then click on the K map then click on ... (rats, I'm lost again! But it is in here somewhere.)) K you would not know that they removed the requirement to take a MS or Novell K or some other vendor's Networking exam before getting the VMS Administrator L level. Before I had passed the VMS Administrator exam, the VMS Engineer examL and the VMS Networking exam but to get the VMS Administrator certification IJ still needed to take a MS Network exam. Rather than saying that they would@ accept the VMS Networking exam as an equivalent they removed theI requirement. I mentioned to them that there may be other people out there L who may be interested so they should ask Sue to put it in the OpenVMS Times,I or post it in comp.os.vms, or send out a snail-mail to VMS customers, but K that would go against the Stealth Marketing guidelines. So anyone who wrote J the Administrator exam before should follow the links and re-apply if they care.    -- Peter WeaverD Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer,A nor the company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it  sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 09:56:00 -0800" From: daveparboo@hotmail.com (DXP)  Subject: Get owner info from UAF< Message-ID: <819f1cc4.0211210955.c6a6de3@posting.google.com>  	 Greetings   " Got a problem with a bit of DCL...  B I need to extract the "Owner" details from SYSUAF - now before youE start pounding away at your keyboard, thinking "this should be in FAQ $ by now", let me add the following...   I'm using the following code;    $ open /read /share uaf sysuafF $ read uaf record /index = 0 /key = "''p1'" /match = EQ /error = _Exit $ close uaf 3 $ owner = f$edit(f$extract(85, 31, record), "trim")  $! $ show symbol owner   0 Aha! "So where's the problem", I hear you ask...  1 Well, if p1 .eqs. plebby_user then no problem.... C However, if p1 .eqs. super_user_with_loads_of_privs_and_identifiers A then I get the message, "%DCL-W-BUFOVF, command buffer overflow - # shorten expression or command line"   C Now, I am aware of the 1024k symbol buffer size limit, but how do I * get the info from this record that I need.   Many thanks in a dance     Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:04:21 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org$ Subject: Re: Get owner info from UAF3 Message-ID: <X7NotbLiXP9$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <819f1cc4.0211210955.c6a6de3@posting.google.com>, daveparboo@hotmail.com (DXP) writes: 5 > $ owner = f$edit(f$extract(85, 31, record), "trim")  ... 3 > Well, if p1 .eqs. plebby_user then no problem.... E > However, if p1 .eqs. super_user_with_loads_of_privs_and_identifiers C > then I get the message, "%DCL-W-BUFOVF, command buffer overflow - % > shorten expression or command line"  > E > Now, I am aware of the 1024k symbol buffer size limit, but how do I , > get the info from this record that I need.  < If I remember correctly, lexical functions such as f$extract= can only deal with arguments that are 256 characters long (or = some such value -- the exact limits for various limits change : from release to release.  And your SYSUAF record is longer than the limit.   5 The only ideas I can come up with are pretty baroque:   6 Data reduce SYSUAF using SORT with a /SPECICATION file  > Use WRITE /SYMBOL to put your selected record back into a disk< file and then CONVERT /TRUNCATE that to get it down to size.  " Write a program.  (Oh, the shame!)   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:53:56 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) $ Subject: Re: Get owner info from UAF3 Message-ID: <gPAk7RdoRvfq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c > In article <819f1cc4.0211210955.c6a6de3@posting.google.com>, daveparboo@hotmail.com (DXP) writes: 6 >> $ owner = f$edit(f$extract(85, 31, record), "trim") > ... 4 >> Well, if p1 .eqs. plebby_user then no problem....F >> However, if p1 .eqs. super_user_with_loads_of_privs_and_identifiersD >> then I get the message, "%DCL-W-BUFOVF, command buffer overflow -& >> shorten expression or command line" >>  F >> Now, I am aware of the 1024k symbol buffer size limit, but how do I- >> get the info from this record that I need.e    H 	One of the best UAF extracting programs is getting harder to find.  JoeA 	Meadows , (in a much earlier DECUS submission I suppose) has twod> 	programs (in addition to Verb) that are in the same bundle.  8 	GUESS_PASSWORD and UAF.  I just went and found it here:  # http://www.uniud.it/ftp/vms/uaf.zipO  < 	Maybe there is another place... real tricky to find though.  4 	To do what you are after looks like this using UAF:  < 	$ uaf /sele=(user=username_goes_here)/display=owner/nolabel    	Or numerous variations on that.  9 	Then play with PIPE to force it into a symbol to make it 4 	usuable.  Many examples of that about.  That or you$ 	can do it the old fashioned way by:  J   $ uaf /select=(user=username_goes_here)/display=owner/nolabel/output=a.a   	And then reading from a.a	r   				RobC  H "An old Oregon rancher once told me, there are three types of men in theL world.  One type learns from books.  One type learns from observations.  And< one type just has to urinate on the electric fence himself."  <                                         -- Carl Barney, 1996   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:57:45 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t. Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure; Message-ID: <01KP4J4IYFQA9ZLF2M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  F > Well, Charlie, I happen to agree with you that not using the closingG > apostrophe is poor programming practice, even when it works. However,tD > the two guys who "wrote the book" on DCL programming (Writing RealI > Programs in DCL) disagree with you and me, and have a long discourse on G > the cases when a closing apostrophe is actually required, ending with  > the following view:  > F > "Trailing apostrophes will be used in this book only when necessary,I > because the authors believe this convention improves the readability ofrG > command procedures, even though it means the programmer must rememberP > the foregoing rules."   C This paragraph (the full quote even more so) is unbelievable.  The eF "foregoing rules" are something like "it always works EXCEPT in <very G long list>".  It should be obvious to anyone that a closing apostrophe bH was intended but that in some cases DCL is "smart" enough to provide it H (like it will provide a missing double quote ("") at the end of a line, 
 for example).   G > I wonder if Hoff still feels that way today, some 13 years later?...     I wonder, too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:59:10 -0500M2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>. Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure. Message-ID: <3DDCE6AE.34DF7453@mindspring.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:l  H > > "Trailing apostrophes will be used in this book only when necessary,K > > because the authors believe this convention improves the readability ofhI > > command procedures, even though it means the programmer must remember4 > > the foregoing rules."@ >tD > This paragraph (the full quote even more so) is unbelievable.  TheG > "foregoing rules" are something like "it always works EXCEPT in <verycH > long list>".  It should be obvious to anyone that a closing apostropheI > was intended but that in some cases DCL is "smart" enough to provide itaI > (like it will provide a missing double quote ("") at the end of a line,a > for example).t  , This is clearly one of those cases where the+ syntax analyzer should simply have *ALWAYS*-7 required the trailing apostrophe (just like it requires:/ balanced "double-quotes"), even if it was smartu4 enough to do without the trailing apostrophe in most cases.  3 Sometimes, allowing flexibility is a bad, bad idea.5 This was one of those cases.   Atlant   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 07:44:21 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t. Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure3 Message-ID: <SLHSIXYc4999@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  c In article <3DDCE6AE.34DF7453@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:h > Phillip Helbig wrote:e > I >> > "Trailing apostrophes will be used in this book only when necessary,.L >> > because the authors believe this convention improves the readability ofJ >> > command procedures, even though it means the programmer must remember >> > the foregoing rules." >>E >> This paragraph (the full quote even more so) is unbelievable.  ThesH >> "foregoing rules" are something like "it always works EXCEPT in <veryI >> long list>".  It should be obvious to anyone that a closing apostropheoJ >> was intended but that in some cases DCL is "smart" enough to provide itJ >> (like it will provide a missing double quote ("") at the end of a line, >> for example). > . > This is clearly one of those cases where the- > syntax analyzer should simply have *ALWAYS*i9 > required the trailing apostrophe (just like it requiresy1 > balanced "double-quotes"), even if it was smart 6 > enough to do without the trailing apostrophe in most > cases. > 5 > Sometimes, allowing flexibility is a bad, bad idea.  > This was one of those cases. >   / 	Not really.  The scanner would look like this:0 	1 	L       [A-Za-z]m 	N	[0-9]    8 	[']{L}[{L}{D}]{0,254}[']?	{  /* Evaluate this symbol */   		--- do something here ---0   			}  ; 	Unless I'm missing your point . . .  and that does happen!e   				Robs   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 08:23:08 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)2. Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure3 Message-ID: <AfGwl58yoGfa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <SLHSIXYc4999@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:me > In article <3DDCE6AE.34DF7453@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:u >> Phillip Helbig wrote: >> gJ >>> > "Trailing apostrophes will be used in this book only when necessary,M >>> > because the authors believe this convention improves the readability of K >>> > command procedures, even though it means the programmer must remembert >>> > the foregoing rules."o >>>cF >>> This paragraph (the full quote even more so) is unbelievable.  TheI >>> "foregoing rules" are something like "it always works EXCEPT in <very-J >>> long list>".  It should be obvious to anyone that a closing apostropheK >>> was intended but that in some cases DCL is "smart" enough to provide it K >>> (like it will provide a missing double quote ("") at the end of a line,5 >>> for example).l >> >/ >> This is clearly one of those cases where thet. >> syntax analyzer should simply have *ALWAYS*: >> required the trailing apostrophe (just like it requires2 >> balanced "double-quotes"), even if it was smart7 >> enough to do without the trailing apostrophe in mosta	 >> cases.o >> o6 >> Sometimes, allowing flexibility is a bad, bad idea. >> This was one of those cases.  >> , > 1 > 	Not really.  The scanner would look like this:t > 	a > 	L       [A-Za-z]r  +  	D	[0-9]   /* But you knew what I meant */a >  > : > 	[']{L}[{L}{D}]{0,254}[']?	{  /* Evaluate this symbol */ >  > 		--- do something here ---r >  > 			} > = > 	Unless I'm missing your point . . .  and that does happen!  > 	 > 				Robi >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:29:14 -0500a2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>. Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure. Message-ID: <3DDD25FA.1EE4CF00@mindspring.com>   Rob Young wrote:  1 > >> This is clearly one of those cases where the 0 > >> syntax analyzer should simply have *ALWAYS*< > >> required the trailing apostrophe (just like it requires4 > >> balanced "double-quotes"), even if it was smart9 > >> enough to do without the trailing apostrophe in most  > >> cases.: > >>8 > >> Sometimes, allowing flexibility is a bad, bad idea.! > >> This was one of those cases.s > >> > > 8 > >       Not really.  The scanner would look like this: > >i > >       L       [A-Za-z] >r9 >         D       [0-9]   /* But you knew what I meant */  > >v > >iG > >       [']{L}[{L}{D}]{0,254}[']?       {  /* Evaluate this symbol */e > >f+ > >               --- do something here ---e > >c > >                       }o > >hD > >       Unless I'm missing your point . . .  and that does happen!  ! I think I'm missing *your* point!   * I'm wasn't arguing about whether requiring1 the trailing apostrophe was a difficult technicale requirement.  , What I was arguing was that the designers of2 DCL blew it (in a human-factors sense) by allowing4 that trailing apostrophe to be optional. That led to/ many rules and special cases regarding when you ! could safely omit the apostrophe.o  . By comparison, they could have implemented the2 simple rule that "All apostrophes must be balanced0 (considering, of course, the '' case when inside2 double quotes)" and then enforced that ruling with3 a lexer that works the way you proposed. Then, withf3 no special cases to worry about, the explanation of-1 apostrophes would have been vastly simplified andm7 people would either get it right or get a syntax error.-   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:11:56 +0100a9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e6 Subject: Re: I give up, need Solaris for VMS jobs now.' Message-ID: <3DDC873C.3F66FC84@aaa.com>u  7 Of course, since (under the hood) it's more or less thel+ same thing. It's just the GUI that differs.0  6 MS SQL Server was born as "Sybase for NT". Then things7 brooke between Sybase and MS and they made an agreement 6 that MS could take the current Sybase version and make+ whatever that wanted with it. And they did.s  8 I'v been managing a Sybase on VMS installation long ago,9 and still helping out MS SQL Server admins that get stuck-2 just because they've only learned the GUI's tools.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Jerry Leslie wrote:f > D > I've been told that one obstacle to converting to Oracle or RDB isF > user-written stored procedures, and that the easiest conversion away" > from Sybase is to Microsoft SQL.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:46:29 GMTh( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org? Message-ID: <pI3D9.129679$dn3.5819624@twister.southeast.rr.com>d   I'll do it!t  # Ah, what exactly am I gonna do?  :)t   Ken,   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org>      ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message 9 news:20021121000102.1515.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com... G > I think  some of us, Independent Consultants, spreaded  over th globel@ > would create a worldwide virtual organization (I suggest using OpenVMS.org) toUL > improve the OpenVMS worldwide (suport, projects, etc..). May be creating aD > standard for development of OpenVMS sites, new technologies as Web Servers,? > etc... for example: Me in Brazil, Didier in France, others innK > Australia, Austria, Sweden, Russia, should join and create an association.K > with rules etc... creating a common information base (under OpenVMS.org).w >d1 > What do you think about ? Am I out of reality ? 	 > Regardsa >( > FC >h >e >h > =====d > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilt > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?4 > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:43:25 -0500 $ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>2 Subject: RE: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.orgJ Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492AEB2@lespaul.process.com>  3 Sounds Interesting.  Could you indulge everyone and0, offer a little more detail about your ideas?   -Mike Duffy=20   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]-, > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:01 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu0 > Subject: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org >=20 >=20G > I think  some of us, Independent Consultants, spreaded  over th globeB= > would create a worldwide virtual organization (I suggest=20  > using OpenVMS.org) toaA > improve the OpenVMS worldwide (suport, projects, etc..). May=20l > be creating ae@ > standard for development of OpenVMS sites, new technologies=20 > as Web Servers,a? > etc... for example: Me in Brazil, Didier in France, others ineB > Australia, Austria, Sweden, Russia, should join and create an=20
 > associationa@ > with rules etc... creating a common information base (under=20 > OpenVMS.org).  >=201 > What do you think about ? Am I out of reality ? 	 > RegardsN >=20 > FC >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dt > =uI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=a =3D=3D > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > =hI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=a =3D=3D >=204 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?4 > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.coma >=20   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:37:53 -0800 (PST)-. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>2 Subject: RE: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org? Message-ID: <20021121183753.6366.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>l   Well -  < I just had this idea when I noticed that people in this list> is spreaded worldwide but without a real link with each other, except by this list.  G This idea is in the begining, and people here can contribute and if KenuN Farmer accept the idea we can use OpenVMS.or as a worldwide brand, independentM of DECUS, Encompass, HP User Group - just for OpenVMS ! The idea is to have a.N worldwide virtual organization to give support in OpenVMS sites. If someone atO HP agrees with  it would be good if this virtual org would be supported by HP.  C Because there are a lot of alone guys, idependet consultants. TheseeE guys would be OpenVMS Ambassadors. Each one giving support in his/her ' country. Just an idea to think about ! c     Regards_   FC e    ) --- Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com> wrote:u > 5 > Sounds Interesting.  Could you indulge everyone anda. > offer a little more detail about your ideas? >  > -Mike Duffy  >  > > -----Original Message-----9 > > From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]5. > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:01 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy2 > > Subject: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org > >  > > I > > I think  some of us, Independent Consultants, spreaded  over th globeb= > > would create a worldwide virtual organization (I suggest d > > using OpenVMS.org) to A > > improve the OpenVMS worldwide (suport, projects, etc..). May   > > be creating ai@ > > standard for development of OpenVMS sites, new technologies  > > as Web Servers,hA > > etc... for example: Me in Brazil, Didier in France, others ineB > > Australia, Austria, Sweden, Russia, should join and create an  > > association @ > > with rules etc... creating a common information base (under  > > OpenVMS.org).t > > 3 > > What do you think about ? Am I out of reality ?c > > Regards  > >  > > FC > >  > >  > > 	 > > =====n > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazili > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > > 6 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!?6 > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.comD > >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?5 Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.I http://mailplus.yahoo.com9   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 06:10:27 -0800& From: aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron)L Subject: Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha???= Message-ID: <99c3a525.0211210610.3dbea30a@posting.google.com>c  , VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message  > H > >2. If I find this address can I just clear the address to 0, and willC > >that initialize the stack to use the bottom of P0 process space?t > E > Sure, if you want an ACCVIO next time you attempt to push something,E > on that stack.  VMS expects a stack to grow towards a lower addressnE > when pushing items on the stack.  If you're at 0 and decrement that-D > to store a longword, you're going to be at {FFFFFFFF.}FFFFFFFC.  I/ > doubt that VMS will allow you to write there.a  E On the Vax stacks in P0 space grow upward and stacks in P1 space grow ) downward.  Has this changed on the Alpha?u   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 07:40:41 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)lL Subject: Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha???3 Message-ID: <WPMW7+21$brS@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  f In article <99c3a525.0211210610.3dbea30a@posting.google.com>, aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron) writes:. > VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message  > G > On the Vax stacks in P0 space grow upward and stacks in P1 space growr+ > downward.  Has this changed on the Alpha?r  D    Implementations of P0 stacks don't use pushr, pushl, popr, calls,E    callg, ret, jsb, bsbw, bsbb, rsb, ...?  All of these instructions s    grow the stack downward.D   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:01:39 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGL Subject: Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha???0 Message-ID: <00A174D5.D65D7749@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <WPMW7+21$brS@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: g >In article <99c3a525.0211210610.3dbea30a@posting.google.com>, aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron) writes:s/ >> VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message h >> yH >> On the Vax stacks in P0 space grow upward and stacks in P1 space grow, >> downward.  Has this changed on the Alpha? >&E >   Implementations of P0 stacks don't use pushr, pushl, popr, calls,0F >   callg, ret, jsb, bsbw, bsbb, rsb, ...?  All of these instructions  >   grow the stack downward.    H Careful please with your quotation.  *I* did not state that stacks in P0G space grow upward.  aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron) wrongfully assumedi this to be, not I.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            l5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:13:04 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) L Subject: Re: Initializing the stack to the bottom of P0 space on an Alpha???3 Message-ID: <esPGV9iGXk+H@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A174D5.D65D7749@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:me > In article <WPMW7+21$brS@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:. > J > Careful please with your quotation.  *I* did not state that stacks in P0I > space grow upward.  aaron.d.mullens@lmco.com (Aaron) wrongfully assumedj > this to be, not I.  E    Oops, sorry.  It hit me after I posted that this was not somethingo<    you were likely to get wrong, but missed the attribution.      r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:07:59 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>A Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alphad. Message-ID: <3DDCE8BF.987C317B@mindspring.com>  
 VAXVMS wrote:t   > Look who's mentioned :^).v >  > $ HELP SHOW USERS Examples >n > SHOW >i	 >   USERSm >e >     Examples >n >          1.$ SHOW USERS A >                  OpenVMS User Processes at 12-MAY-2001 10:37 AM	E >                Total number of users = 4,  number of processes = 143 > C >             Username     Node     Interactive  Subprocess   Batch:- >             S_SKONETSKI BBBBBB            1V7 >             WISNIEWSKI  XXXXXX            4         2i7 >             HIBBITS     AAAAAA            1         4a- >             VAXMAN      AAAAAA            2I  3 Given the other names, I don't think you can safelyI assume that's *SUE* Skonetski.   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:41:12 -0500I5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>n% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems . Message-ID: <3ddd1bbf$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>   John Smith wrote in message ...b >nA >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message@. >news:zU8C9.26$w34.1038486@news.cpqcorp.net... >> >> > >>J >> Remember that there is more than just a new CPU chip.  It's an entirely >newD >> system platform from the ground up.  As in *any* new major system
 >platform,I >> things always appear to stretch out at the end while the last few nits  >(andeJ >> not just HW, but SW) are cleaned up as real customer workloads start to >hitL >> them in field test.  The Marvel platform is unreal in how fast it is, andJ >> how well it scales - even the 800Mhz proto's were unbelievable.  As far as >IJ >> can detect, there is no feet dragging to get it officially shipped, but >care J >> is being taken to make sure that it is 100% rock solid when it hits the
 >> street. >? > H >So Fred, how much advertising and marketing of Marvel do you think will take? >place at Sun and IBM and existing HP Superdome customer sites?s >  >Just curious. >w  L I can't imagine us wanting a happy HP-UX customer to port to VMS.  As to theI rest, it's hard to change the path of a customer committed to another OS.sC But if they are OS agnostic, I expect that Marvel will sell itself.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:45:40 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>% Subject: RE: Jaw dropping EV7 systems 0 Message-ID: <01C29142.CAE96E40@sulfer.icius.com>  F Marvel can only sell itself if people know about it. The only way mostG people would get to know about it is through advertising. Word of mouthe> is all very well, but it tends to only circulate around within. communities, like the existing Alpha userbase.  F I too would like to know how much advertising is planned, and who it's to be directed at.   Shane_   -----Original Message-----: From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]) Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:41 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems        John Smith wrote in message .... >>A >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messages. >news:zU8C9.26$w34.1038486@news.cpqcorp.net... >> >> > >>J >> Remember that there is more than just a new CPU chip.  It's an entirely >newD >> system platform from the ground up.  As in *any* new major system
 >platform,I >> things always appear to stretch out at the end while the last few nitsi >(and J >> not just HW, but SW) are cleaned up as real customer workloads start to >hitL >> them in field test.  The Marvel platform is unreal in how fast it is, andJ >> how well it scales - even the 800Mhz proto's were unbelievable.  As far as >IJ >> can detect, there is no feet dragging to get it officially shipped, but >care J >> is being taken to make sure that it is 100% rock solid when it hits the
 >> street. >l >TH >So Fred, how much advertising and marketing of Marvel do you think will take? >place at Sun and IBM and existing HP Superdome customer sites?h >  >Just curious. >a  H I can't imagine us wanting a happy HP-UX customer to port to VMS.  As to the E rest, it's hard to change the path of a customer committed to anothere OS. C But if they are OS agnostic, I expect that Marvel will sell itself.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:48:50 GMTe( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>- Subject: Just got back from OpenVMS Symposiumt? Message-ID: <CK3D9.129688$dn3.5818734@twister.southeast.rr.com>s  I Just got back in from Nashua  Brrr, cold up there. Was unable to stay fora
 entire event.a  5 The presentations were great and attendance was good.o  A Bob Gezelter will be doing follow-up article soon to be posted onoL OpenVMS.org, will let you know when available.  Terry Shannon was there so I9 would expect him to do a write-up in his newsletter also.o   Keni       -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.orgi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:43:02 -06000, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>  Subject: Re: Linux for Alpha/VAX+ Message-ID: <ariv70$qpv$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>y  L I have heard of a number of attempts at a VAX Linux port, but I know of none that were completed.  H There are a number of BSD-based systems, which are also open source UNIXK implementations.  One, NetBSD, has ports to many architectures, some pretty J far out, like Amiga, StrongARM PDA, PlayStation 2, and Sega Dreamcast, and> it is the only one I know of that has been ported to VAX.  SeeK http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/vax/.  The bad news is most old VAXes are shortdI on memory and disk, and to add a decent amount of old memory and old SCSI G disk would cost more than a new PC that runs Linux or any BSD orders of&! magnitude faster than an old VAX.=  	 Have fun, 1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541= scandora@cmt.anl.gov  ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message : news:20021120013909.80574.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com... >.9 > I got two gifts from an old company which I worked for:3 >D > An Alpha 2100 and VAX 4000 ! >_A > Is there a way to install Linux (Alpha) in these two machines ?i? > I know there is Linux for Alpha, but what do I need to changeoA > in the AS-2100 to run Linux ! The VAX: Is there a Linux or just1 > FreeBSD runs in it ? >r	 > Regardse >. > FC >e > =====  > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilc > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?4 > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.comr   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:08:31 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) $ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS+ Message-ID: <ariibv$ov6$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>g  e In article <a98cd882.0211192334.2792d413@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:tA >I have complained earlier about the use of privileges in TCP/IP.S >dE >Do a search/noout/stat sys$startup:tcpip*.com bypass (or sysprv) and  >you will see what I mean. > M So what. The fact that programs are installed with privileges just means thatoL they need those privileges to operate. This isn't in itself a security hole.K To give a program privileges on VMS you have two choices you either installtB it with privileges or have it run under a privileged user account.8 Sometimes one approach is better sometimes the other is.  J The fact that you need privileges to bind to ports less than 1024 is good.O It stops user's setting up a web server on the official port - port 80 on your m! system without your knowledge etc   K If you look at the corresponding privileged TCPIP programs on Unix you wills find that they are suid root.l     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    
 >Bart Zorn >Wh >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3DDAD422.7E399060@vl.videotron.ca>... >> "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:tF >> > You mention "jeopardizing the file system".  Anyone can bind to aH >> > "known" port, just those with SYSPRV can take the ones below 1024.  >> WO >> That is the point. I feel that SYSPRV is not the right privilege that shouldnO >> be needed to bind to a port < 1024.  For instance, a web server should neverhP >> need SYSPRV since you DON'T want to grant it acces sto files/directories thatO >> it shouldn't have access to. But based on your logic, it needs SYSPRV to maprN >> to prt 80. (as it stands however, SYSPRV isn't actually required to bind to0 >> 80, the OSU web server does fine without it). >> HK >> The whole privilege thing for the TCPIP stack seems to be a mess betweenmD >> actual behaviour, documented behaviour and what should really be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:06:55 +0800s- From: "Fred Jiang" <r54123@email.sps.mot.com>t Subject: Multinet did not work+ Message-ID: <ari48i$2jm$1@newshost.mot.com>e  
 Hello, buddy,MG I have VMS 7.3 and Multinet V4.3 installed on alpha XP1000 workstation. J After everything done. We found that the network did not work. Can't ping,	 telnet...t We configure it as following:h VMS_device :EIA0 eia0_mode: fast Duplex FDhH And configured it with correct ip,mask,domain name server,default router etc.I We have done it before and it works with OS VMS V7.2-1 and Multinet V4.3.e Any advise? Thanks.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:15:22 -0800s" From: Koloth <koloth@telocity.com>" Subject: Re: Multinet did not work) Message-ID: <3DDC961A.70009@telocity.com>e   Use MC LANCP and do a show DEV/chan  eia0I make sure that the speed is still 100 and duplex is yes.   I think there o% was an issue with the EI devices thatt? sometimes they don't always get set correctly from the console 5 environment variable   Cass   Fred Jiang wrote:j   >Hello, buddy,H >I have VMS 7.3 and Multinet V4.3 installed on alpha XP1000 workstation.K >After everything done. We found that the network did not work. Can't ping,O
 >telnet... >We configure it as following: >VMS_device :EIA0  >eia0_mode: fast Duplex FDI >And configured it with correct ip,mask,domain name server,default routerh >etc.wJ >We have done it before and it works with OS VMS V7.2-1 and Multinet V4.3. >Any advise? Thanks. >  >r >  _ >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:03:16 +0100 I From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de>e0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <016d01c2912c$13ebbc40$0201a8c0@WS1>   ----- Original Message ------ From: "Ryan Moore" <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>f To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ) Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:17 AM20 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS    , > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Paul A. Jacobi wrote:G > > "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de>2 wrote in6 > > message news:007501c29053$e095e380$0201a8c0@WS1... > >nH > > >>> The maximum is 4.3 GB for burnable DVDs. A Video-DVD usually hasL > > >>> 9 GB (double layered). I'm sure the industry is able to produce 9 GBK > > >>> burners but they don't sell them, because this is would destroy the  > > >>> DVD-Video market.l > >uH > > Although both double-layer and double-sided are specified in the DVDI > > standard, I don't know if anyone has ever implmeneted that format.  IuB > > believe most, if not all, Video DVD disk are all single-layer, single-sidedK > > disk (4.7Gb)  This seems to be enough storage for a Standard Definitionr= > > movie, although longer movies require a two DVD disk set.s >cL > A lot of feature length movies use double-layered disks.  Depending on theH > disk and the player, there is sometimes a small "pause" when the layer@ > switch happens.  If you watch a lot of movies on DVD, you willL > occasaionlly notice this small (.1-.75) second pause in the movie.  If theH > authoring of the disk is done well, it happens at a scene switch whereJ > it's less noticable.  Some DVD players can tell you which layer they are  > reading (like my Sony player). >.@ > There are also some disks that are double-sided where they areL > double-layered on one side (for the movie) and single-layered on the other > (for the "extras").t >nH > They need to use double-layering to get the movie onto one side of theD > disk.  Between high-quality MPEG2 video with a reasonable bit rateC > combined with multiple Dolby Digital/DTS soundtracks (in multiple F > languages and director "commentary" tracks), the space gets eaten upJ > pretty quickly.  That's why some movies come with the extras on separateJ > disks.  Even with the movie disk being double-layered, there still isn't" > enough space for all the extras. >>G > Only a few disks are double-sided and double-layered because they areIH > tricky to produce.  I believe the first mass-produced double-sided andG > double-layered DVD was the DVD version of the Stephen King movie "ThecI > Stand".  The movie is pretented in four 2-hour installments (how it waseH > originally produced for TV).   The DVD contains 2 installments on each > side of the DVD. >tH > However, there is a big difference between the professionally producedG > DVDs and DVD(+/-)(R/RW).  The authoring and production facilities aren > completely different.s  6 There are two methods to produce a "master"-video-DVD:  I DLT with a defined layout or authoring DVD-R. The only and very expensiveaI authoring DVD-writer sells Pioneer (S101/S201). They are real SCSI-drivese/ and DVDwrite for OpenVMS works with this drive.s  L All other burners produce DVDs for general usage. You can burn data-files or a video-filmI but it is impossible to send this "master" to a DVD-producing firm, wheree the DVD is been pressed.   eberhard     >pK > > There is a lot of effort to define the next generate DVD standard whichc willJ > > be needed for High Definition video.  I think some of these effort areL > > looking to put 10-30Gb on a DVD disk through various techniques, such as% > > using a shorter wavelength laser.v >uL > We can only hope they get their act together and come up with one standard) > from the competing camps we have today.e >m > -Ryane >  >r >,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:50:47 +0100rC From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de>w0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS> Message-ID: <00A174D4.4FD95B40.9@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>   Paul,e  L "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <Eberhard.Heuser-Hofmann@uni-konstanz.de> wrote in2 message news:007501c29053$e095e380$0201a8c0@WS1...  D >>> The maximum is 4.3 GB for burnable DVDs. A Video-DVD usually hasH >>> 9 GB (double layered). I'm sure the industry is able to produce 9 GBG >>> burners but they don't sell them, because this is would destroy the. >>> DVD-Video market.h  E >Although both double-layer and double-sided are specified in the DVD F >standard, I don't know if anyone has ever implmeneted that format.  IL >believe most, if not all, Video DVD disk are all single-layer, single-sidedH >disk (4.7Gb)  This seems to be enough storage for a Standard Definition: >movie, although longer movies require a two DVD disk set.  M >There is a lot of effort to define the next generate DVD standard which will G >be needed for High Definition video.  I think some of these effort are2I >looking to put 10-30Gb on a DVD disk through various techniques, such asc" >using a shorter wavelength laser.  M The war between two definition for the next generation DVD has already begun:    http://www.hddvd.org/hddvd/b       eberhardO ===============================================================================s   Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmannn Univ. Konstanz Fakultaet fuer Chemiep Universitaets-Strasse 10 D-78464 Konstanz Germany . Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139* email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de  O ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:22:42 +0100m% From: "Goet, Kees" <Kees.Goet@wur.nl>e% Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 and CSWING H Message-ID: <FC47B80651C84E46B756DD58768FE91D3F4765@scomp0010.wurnet.nl>  G A couple of weeks ago there was a rather long discussion about problemsS! with CSWING under OpenVMS V7.3-1.e# I wonder if there already is a fix.o   Kees.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:47:35 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>b' Subject: Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1o8 Message-ID: <20021121084735.0279e88f.mathog@caltech.edu>  ( On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:52:40 -0700 (MST)# John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:t   >  >  > + > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Paul Anderson wrote:D > K > > In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211181557310.17812-100000@athena.csdco.com>,p' > > John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:i > > C > > > It looks like VMS 7.3-1 breaks the unsupported and heretoforeo/ > > > indestructible Pathworks Mac file server.y > > >   D I tried very hard for the better part of a year to get Pathworks/MacK released so that it could be maintained by the end users.  Digipaq couldn't I figure out all the intellectual property issues.  That was a particularly K shocking lesson in itself. Who would have thought that a major company likesO Digipaq would license technologies and then not be able to determine what theiroL rights were under those licenses down the road?  Heck, they didn't even knowL who owned the other ends of the licenses!  No wonder Digipaq was so happy toQ shed intellectual property - they were vastly incompetent at keeping track of it. L I hunted down the owners of the Alisashare bits myself and the ownership hadL wandered off into a company N times removed which had absolutely no interestI in Pathworks/Mac - and was literally willing to write a letter to Digipaq O disowning any interest in the product.  Parts of Pathworks/Mac came from Apple.eP You might have thought that Digipaq could resolve an issue like this with Apple.K I don't know if they tried and failed or never tried, but the issue was not		 resolved.t  ) Eventually I just gave up in frustration.   I It was inevitable that some version of VMS would break PW/Mac.  Do not be-I surprised if some release of VMS breaks connectivity to printers as well.rF I'm not at all confident that Chumpaq can even locate all the relevantI source code for PW/Mac to fix such a problem, or would bother to even trysJ should this occur (no matter how much the DCPS folks screamed).  Your bestE bet is to get the heck off VMS before the vendor causes you even moreaF problems Failing that, set up a Linux box running netatalk, export theI stuff you want to share from VMS to it over NFS, and share the NFS mount sL point with netatalk. It should also work using NFS in the other direction.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, Biology Division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:09:34 -0600i7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>v. Subject: Re: PHP sybase_ct module availabilityG Message-ID: <craigberry-6DF6F6.11093421112002@news.directvinternet.com>   , In article <EnqdnaBrR4s60EGgXTWcpA@dls.net>,+  "Sam Rozenfeld" <rozenfeld@dls.net> wrote:t  K > Does anyone know if sybase_ct module will be available for VMS PHP ? This J > module allows you to access SQL server and is very handy for programming > with SQL server back end.s  G A quick look at the code suggests it might not be that hard to build.  e? However, it also looks as though it requires the Sybase client  < libraries.  Do you have Sybase installed on your VMS system?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:17:08 +0100 (MET)k& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance6 Message-ID: <200211210717.IAA17969@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Andrew Harrison wrotes:g   >>>-= If HP are saying the 26% is what you should expect regardless : of what tesdt you use then that is low compared with other= platforms, we tested a Sun 450 a long time ago at 700-800 Mbst using GigE.< <<<t  B Andrew, is there any testtool to test this? We do have four Sun450D with Gigabit Ethernet and we would like to know how good the networkA performance is. A tool to scan the network connection, did reportn@ 1000Base line, but a throughpu less then a 10Base line. We would@ like to verify this. May be the tool is buggy. On the other hand? user do report sometimes very slow performance, may be there iso@ some mismatch between switch and interface (may be the same with( Alphas) like duplex, flow control or so.  G I did test the performance with DTSEND tool. This tool generates a testoC pattern and send them to the client. It looks like memory to memory A transfer. The test disk-->network-->nl: could not faster then the{% disk read performance (about 30MB/s).a   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:19:38 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance6 Message-ID: <200211210719.IAA17979@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Labadie wrotes:h   >>> 9 Even if this is about Vms 7.3, you should have a look at sE FTP tests over Gigabit Ethernet show slow link performance on OpenVMSi system <<<l  < I did not test with FTP. I know that FTP ticks half of other
 technologies.i   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:17:07 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER). Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance0 Message-ID: <TN6D9.6656$up.76190@news.chello.at>  S In article <7_MC9.5$Ny1.297046@news.cpqcorp.net>, "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1> writes: 4 >"Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message1 >news:200211200746.IAA15385@sinet1.fom.fgan.de...tG >> I have measured the Gigabit performance and was very unhappy, to see-F >> only about 26% of the possible network performance. Is this normal?F >> (HP/Compaq meens yes) Or must I change any device parameter in con-C >> junction with the switch parameter? In case of a mixed speed LAN,G >> i have the jumbo frames disabled and the PIPELINE QUOTA set to a low E >> value. Could this be the reason of slow performance? Are there anyhK >> SYSGEN parameter or user QUOTA, which influence the network performance. 8 >> Aaaaah I did forget to write the configuration infos: >>; >> XP1000, DS20 and/or ES40 with DEGPA-SA and OpenVMS 7.1-2  >>4 >Try using TTCP for testing your netwotk performance >d- >[TCP/IP] Internet Performance Program TTCP.C M >http://www.compaq.com/support/asktima/communications/009d0125-ee1a6d20-1c02a  >1.html   E TTCP is already part of TCPIP V5.3 and maybe also earlier versions...s   -- r Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 01:50:07 -08007 From: stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge).) Subject: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setuph= Message-ID: <a48f6f51.0211210150.65bd796f@posting.google.com><   Hi,/  D I have an OpenVMS application that needs Read/Write locks to protectB an area of shared memory, several processes can access this memoryD 10,000+ operations per second with the vast majority of them reads -( it needs to be as efficient as possible.    What is the best method to use ?  E Will the system services $ENQ be too slow/use too much resources (I'm ? not too keen on having a dedicated lock manager taking a CPU) ?a  @ Can I use the tis thread library or is this only for thread, not process protection ?  E Do I need to write locks using the C primitives, if so which ones ares the most efficient to use ?j     Cheers for any ideas.o   Steveh   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:17:40 -0800 , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>- Subject: Re: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setupd4 Message-ID: <aripu5$j33un$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  D "Steve Bainbridge" <stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message7 news:a48f6f51.0211210150.65bd796f@posting.google.com..._ > Hi,_ >_F > I have an OpenVMS application that needs Read/Write locks to protectD > an area of shared memory, several processes can access this memoryF > 10,000+ operations per second with the vast majority of them reads -* > it needs to be as efficient as possible. >R" > What is the best method to use ? >gG > Will the system services $ENQ be too slow/use too much resources (I'moA > not too keen on having a dedicated lock manager taking a CPU) ?   E You didn't mention the hardware, but you should easily be able to get F 10k per second for local locks using $ENQ.  Keith Parris measured lock	 latenciesnB in the 4-6 microsecond range depending on the hardware.  I've seenJ rates over 90k per second during application testing.  (6 processor gs140)  D You will probably want to run the latest VMS version (v7.3-1) to get= lock performance enhancments.  For Keith's presentation go to.  % http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/   : And look for "Monitoring and controlling the Lock manager"   Jimd  
 p.s. Hi Keithn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:01:05 -0800e$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>- Subject: RE: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setupd0 Message-ID: <01C2913C.A535B1A0@sulfer.icius.com>  B Since it's shared memory, I'm going to assume this is all within aG single node. I don't know how many locks you need, but if it's a fairly G small number have you considered a shared event flag cluster? I believeDD the event flag routines are faster than ENQ, and they are one of theH mechanisms listed in the manual for negotiating access to shared memory.  D I'm pretty sure the tis routines won't be any help to you. AFAIK you@ can't access a mutex outside the process that owns it. If you do5 multithreading, I'd suggest looking at POSIX threads.Y  F If you gave us a better idea of the kind of operations you're going toF be doing, we might be able to help more. What is the code going to do?   Shane0     -----Original Message-----$ From: stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk' [mailto:stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk]+) Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:50 AM3 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como) Subject: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setupe     Hi,e  D I have an OpenVMS application that needs Read/Write locks to protectB an area of shared memory, several processes can access this memoryD 10,000+ operations per second with the vast majority of them reads -( it needs to be as efficient as possible.    What is the best method to use ?  E Will the system services $ENQ be too slow/use too much resources (I'mi? not too keen on having a dedicated lock manager taking a CPU) ?t  @ Can I use the tis thread library or is this only for thread, not process protection ?  E Do I need to write locks using the C primitives, if so which ones ared the most efficient to use ?      Cheers for any ideas.e   Stever   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:01:22 GMTf+ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>I- Subject: Re: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setup = Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0211210946010.27548-100000@jaipur>   ' On 21 Nov 2002, Steve Bainbridge wrote:rF > I have an OpenVMS application that needs Read/Write locks to protectD > an area of shared memory, several processes can access this memoryF > 10,000+ operations per second with the vast majority of them reads -* > it needs to be as efficient as possible.  J I had an application that needed something like this.  It's possible to do5 synchronization without locks.  But it can be tricky.o  G > Do I need to write locks using the C primitives, if so which ones aref > the most efficient to use ?,  H I was able to solve this problem by having only one writer, but multiple readers.  J Remember that on Alpha, you can atomically increment a 32 bit integer onlyJ if it is aligned.  And also, you need to worry about memory barriers since% memory writes can occur out-of-order.t  D I kept two integers (call them sync1 and sync2) to protect each data< bucket in a data chain. The algorithm looked something like:   writer:=   increment sync1  memory barrier do data update memory barrier increment sync2B memory barrier   reader:o  
 read sync2 copy data to local buffer 
 read sync1 if (sync2 != sync1) retry_  J If you have a complicated data structure, this whole thing can get tricky.H And note this algorithm only works with one writer.  But if you can sendG all update requests to a single "writer" process, you should be good torJ go.  Remember that it's important that the data in the shared memory area,H especially the sync integers be properly aligned or the whole thing will	 go wrong.i  H I've tested this on multiprocessor machines with several readers readingE data records and the writer writing as fast as possible.  Try it withmD something like 10 data buckets, 10 readers, and one writer where theB readers read ramdom buckets and the writer updates random buckets.  J The data bucket could be a 1024 byte array that the writer sets to all theJ same byte values.  Then the readers could check if they ever read a bucketI where the 1024 bytes aren't all the same value.  Increase the size of thea) data bucket to push the test even harder.t   -Ryan    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:49:39 -0800o" From: Koloth <koloth@telocity.com># Subject: Re: Setting HBA QueueDepth0+ Message-ID: <3DDC9013.7060401@telocity.com>y  G The limit prevents the OS from sending down more I/O's to a particular oH disk.  So if you have a  HSZ70 controller with a 14 member raid set the H most I/Os that can be sent to the controller is 16.  This limit was set > to prevent the tag queue on the SCSI disk from over flowing.    > In OpenVMS this limit is set in the driver.  Not on the HBA.    E On an EVA system where you can spread the I/O's out over your entire 7I disk pool of  say 136 disks, upping the HBA limit to 128 makes sense.  I 3I don't know if even upping the limit on the SCSI  driver for say an HSZ70  C will matter.  I think there is an internal limit of 11 I/Os to any pG physical disk on an HSx controller.  Perhaps this has changes with the e HSx80 family   Cass   Rob Young wrote:  F >	Looking at HP's full disclosure on the EVA at storageperformance.com >	I noticed this statement:  >t >tf >http://www.storageperformance.org/Results/SPC-1/HP-EVA2C12D_2002-10-02/hp_EVA2C12D_FDR_2002-10-02.pdf >MK >The only customer tuning parameter and/or option that was altered from itsoN >default value was the driver parameter "QueueDepth" for all Host Bus AdaptersL >(HBAs). The value was changed from the default value of 16 (decimal) to 128 >(decimal).B >K >--- >r >	Questions are... >c >	1)  How does this help?oB >	2)  Any bad side-effects to setting HBA queue depths to 128 from >	    the default? >  >				Rob >a >    >y   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:55:17 +0100 (MET)w From: system@msia02.msi.se+ Subject: Strange behavior in command DELETEc* Message-ID: <02112116551772@msia02.msi.se>   Bug in SYS$SYSTEM:DELETE.EXE  K Consider the following. We have to different directories and put some files 
 into them.   $ CREATE/LOG DKA0:[XXX].TMPa <CTRL-Z> DKA0:[XXX].TMP;1 Created $ CREATE/LOG DKA0:[XXX]A.TMP <CTRL-Z> DKA0:[XXX]A.TMP;1 Created  $ CREATE/LOG DKA0:[YYY].TMPn <CTRL-Z> DKA0:[YYY].TMP;1 Created $ CREATE/LOG DKA0:[YYY]A.TMP <CTRL-Z> DKA0:[YYY]A.TMP;1 Createde  L The file beginning with the . (dot) in the second directory can't be deleted with the following command.m  , $ DELETE/LOG DKA0:[XXX]*.*;*,DKA0:[YYY]*.*;*# DKA0:[XXX].TMP;1 deleted (0 blocks)e$ DKA0:[XXX]A.TMP;1 deleted (0 blocks) Error deleting DKA0:[YYY].TMP;1c Invalid wildcard operation$ DKA0:[YYY]A.TMP;1 deleted (0 blocks) 3 files deleted (0 blocks)   However this works.c   $ DELETE/LOG DKA0:[YYY]*.*;*# DKA0:[YYY].TMP;1 deleted (0 blocks)      Carl Gunnar Lindin   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:25:45 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>$ Subject: Termination mailbox problem5 Message-ID: <%E8D9.18925$H67.85056@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>I   Helloh  9 I am having a strange problem with a termination mailbox.b  G After modifying a program, which previously returned correct (or rathereF "expected") status codes from the termination mailbox, the program nowI returns the correct code but... the most significative bit is ALWAYS set. K That is, if the "watched" program exits with status 2C, the program reading L the termination mailbox would previously see the status code as HEX 0000002C now it sees it as 1000002C.s Why the difference?S  C My problem is that the watchdog program compares the status code to:
 SS$_ABORT.K SS$_ABORT is 0000002C, not 1000002C so the comparison is not equal anymore.   G I must add that the modification consisted of starting the program with  $CREPRC running LOGINOUT.EXE. C Prior to my modification, the $CREPRC was running an image directly . That is, Before = $CREPRC runs program ABC.EXEH             Now = $CREPRC runs LOGINOUT.EXE which executes ABC.COM which$ executes the same ABC.EXE as before.  A Does it make a difference in the returned status, if the image is  LOGINOUT.EXE ?  & I know I can change the comparison for<     IF termination_status AND SS$_ABORT = SS$_ABORT  THEN...J but why would I need to change the code in the first place is the question   Thanks   --   SyltremnI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais):8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:52:35 -0500n) From: "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> ( Subject: Re: Termination mailbox problem: Message-ID: <k39D9.8115$kS3.1090796@news20.bellglobal.com>  F When using LOGINOUT, DCL is activated.  When your image exits with theD 2C status, DCL writes it to SYS$ERROR (and SYS$OUTPUT, if different)H and then sets the high-order nibble to 1 (to indicate that the error has been
 reported???).b  I If you use DCL, you must mask-off the high-order nibble before processingt the exit status.   HTH  Scott 5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messagei/ news:%E8D9.18925$H67.85056@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...  > Helloa >r; > I am having a strange problem with a termination mailbox.e > I > After modifying a program, which previously returned correct (or rather H > "expected") status codes from the termination mailbox, the program nowK > returns the correct code but... the most significative bit is ALWAYS set.eE > That is, if the "watched" program exits with status 2C, the programe reading-E > the termination mailbox would previously see the status code as HEX  0000002C > now it sees it as 1000002C.j > Why the difference?V >yE > My problem is that the watchdog program compares the status code too > SS$_ABORT.D > SS$_ABORT is 0000002C, not 1000002C so the comparison is not equal anymore. >tI > I must add that the modification consisted of starting the program withc > $CREPRC running LOGINOUT.EXE.eE > Prior to my modification, the $CREPRC was running an image directlyc0 > That is, Before = $CREPRC runs program ABC.EXEJ >             Now = $CREPRC runs LOGINOUT.EXE which executes ABC.COM which& > executes the same ABC.EXE as before. >rC > Does it make a difference in the returned status, if the image is: > LOGINOUT.EXE ? > ( > I know I can change the comparison for> >     IF termination_status AND SS$_ABORT = SS$_ABORT  THEN...L > but why would I need to change the code in the first place is the question >R > Thanks >t > -- >o	 > SyltremtK > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)u: > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >a >a >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:33:06 -0500u* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: Termination mailbox problem5 Message-ID: <7E9D9.18933$H67.85119@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   + That's what I thought (from the look of it)   F So you're saying it is safe to mask off the high order nibble from anyJ status code returned by DCL, and then let the program continue on, leaving: whatever comparisons and checks it may perform, unchanged.  * Just one line of code to add and I'm done.  - Now you're saying high-order nibble, not bit.  So I should do (DEC-Basic):uJ Returned_Status = Returned_Status AND B'00001111111111111111111111111111'L rather than-J Returned_Status = Returned_Status AND B'01111111111111111111111111111111'L   Is that right?   Thanks --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)-8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  D "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> a crit dans le message de news:/ k39D9.8115$kS3.1090796@news20.bellglobal.com...9H > When using LOGINOUT, DCL is activated.  When your image exits with theF > 2C status, DCL writes it to SYS$ERROR (and SYS$OUTPUT, if different)J > and then sets the high-order nibble to 1 (to indicate that the error has > been > reported???).  >bK > If you use DCL, you must mask-off the high-order nibble before processinga > the exit status. >e > HTHt > Scotti7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message 1 > news:%E8D9.18925$H67.85056@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...S	 > > Hello/ > >L= > > I am having a strange problem with a termination mailbox.  > >0K > > After modifying a program, which previously returned correct (or rather:J > > "expected") status codes from the termination mailbox, the program nowH > > returns the correct code but... the most significative bit is ALWAYS set.G > > That is, if the "watched" program exits with status 2C, the programp	 > readingNG > > the termination mailbox would previously see the status code as HEXp
 > 0000002C > > now it sees it as 1000002C.l > > Why the difference?a > >,G > > My problem is that the watchdog program compares the status code top > > SS$_ABORT.F > > SS$_ABORT is 0000002C, not 1000002C so the comparison is not equal
 > anymore. > >aK > > I must add that the modification consisted of starting the program withC! > > $CREPRC running LOGINOUT.EXE.oG > > Prior to my modification, the $CREPRC was running an image directlyn2 > > That is, Before = $CREPRC runs program ABC.EXEL > >             Now = $CREPRC runs LOGINOUT.EXE which executes ABC.COM which( > > executes the same ABC.EXE as before. > > E > > Does it make a difference in the returned status, if the image isn > > LOGINOUT.EXE ? > >!* > > I know I can change the comparison for@ > >     IF termination_status AND SS$_ABORT = SS$_ABORT  THEN...E > > but why would I need to change the code in the first place is theI question > > 
 > > Thanks > >S > > -- > >? > > SyltremdC > > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en 	 franais)o< > > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address > >n > >a > >o >r >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:54:57 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org( Subject: Re: Termination mailbox problem3 Message-ID: <VRZ2tD0cC9dJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  b In article <7E9D9.18933$H67.85119@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:- > That's what I thought (from the look of it)  > H > So you're saying it is safe to mask off the high order nibble from anyL > status code returned by DCL, and then let the program continue on, leaving< > whatever comparisons and checks it may perform, unchanged. > , > Just one line of code to add and I'm done. > / > Now you're saying high-order nibble, not bit.t > So I should do (DEC-Basic): L > Returned_Status = Returned_Status AND B'00001111111111111111111111111111'L
 > rather thanpL > Returned_Status = Returned_Status AND B'01111111111111111111111111111111'L >  > Is that right?  C Correct.  If you will notice, the example status did _not_ have thelH high order bit set.  It had the _low order bit of the high order nibble_ set.  2 The high order 4 bits contain control information.     STS$V_CONTROL=28   STS$S_CONTROL=4t  D Bit 28 tells you whether the error message has already been reported     STS$V_INHIB_MSG=28  ! Bits 3-27 tell you the message IDp     STS$V_COND_ID=3a   STS$S_COND_ID=25  > Those are further divided into a facility number in bits 16-27" and a message number in bits 3-16.     STS$V_FAC_NO=16W   STS$S_FAC_NO=12i     STS$V_MSG_NO=3   STS$S_MSG_NO=13a  : The facilities are divided into HP facilities and customer# facilities.  The low half is for HP"     STS$V_CUST_DEF=27y  < The message numbers are divided into those that are specificE to the facility and those codes that are shared across all facilitiese     STS$V_FAC_SP=15    STS$V_CODE=3   STS$S_CODE=12   5 And then there are the three bits devoted to severitye     STS$V_SEVERITY=0   STS$S_SEVERITY=3  9 the bottom bit of which is the overall success indicationt     STS$V_SUCCESS=0e  B That pretty much covers the stuff in module $STSDEF in STARLET.MLB   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:58:05 -0500s0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: TPU scripting for MAIL ?s/ Message-ID: <3DDCADF9.79157717@vl.videotron.ca>d  8 TPU is a scripting language available on all VMS systems? VMSmail is available on all VMS system but has basic functions.r  G ALL-IN-1 provided extremely powerful scripting capabilities to generatekL emails, as well as process incoming ones, as well as managing stored emails.  F Has anyone ever contemplated integrating VMSmail functions into TPU ?   @ I looked at the documentation, and the CALL_USER as well the the: TPU$INITIALIZE seems to provide enough (but basic) hooks.   L If such a thing were developped it might be able to provide both a character cell and decwindows interfaces.   
 Comments ????d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:19:21 -0500-2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)% Subject: Re: TPU scripting for MAIL ?hK Message-ID: <rdeininger-2111020619210001@1cust178.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>0  8 In article <3DDCADF9.79157717@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  9 >TPU is a scripting language available on all VMS systemsI@ >VMSmail is available on all VMS system but has basic functions. >eH >ALL-IN-1 provided extremely powerful scripting capabilities to generateM >emails, as well as process incoming ones, as well as managing stored emails.. >AG >Has anyone ever contemplated integrating VMSmail functions into TPU ? O >tA >I looked at the documentation, and the CALL_USER as well the the_; >TPU$INITIALIZE seems to provide enough (but basic) hooks. , >aM >If such a thing were developped it might be able to provide both a charactert  >cell and decwindows interfaces. >A >Comments ????  J I've never had the pleasure of trying ALL-IN-1.  But your idea sounds veryI feasible.  There is a good callable interface to mail.  You could write anC layer to connect it to TPU via the CALL_USER mechanism.  And TPU is 8 obviously a good scripting and text-processing language.  7 I hope you're not going into the email-spam business...y   :-)g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:53:55 -05002- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>V% Subject: Re: TPU scripting for MAIL ?J5 Message-ID: <arj334$j5nub$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>e   JF Mezei wrote:n: > TPU is a scripting language available on all VMS systemsA > VMSmail is available on all VMS system but has basic functions.D >... > Comments ????y  E When I saw some of your questions about Base64 attachments in mail, Id started thinking;u  E    Why not set up mail so SEND/EDIT will call a TPU editor that has a>J routine called 'ADD ATTACHMENT' that will put a file in a different bufferH and encode it, when you exit the message your TPU macro will combine theI messages and add in the correct headers. READ/EDIT will call the same TPUeI editor that reads through the mail, taking out the attachments and decode G them in different buffers. Just off the top of my head I would have theu commands     ADD ATTACHMENT     REMOVE ATTACHMENT [#]oB     VIEW ATTACHMENT [#] (or just move the cursor to the attachment placeholder)     SAVE ATTACHMENT [#|ALL]n8     VIEW RAW (to view the original e-mail as plain text)F     RETURN TO MAIL (or some other command to return to the main e-mail message)  J The VIEW ATTACHMENT command may even be able to launch a viewer if you are; on DECWindows, but I don't know how off the top of my head.    -- Peter WeaverD Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer,A nor the company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that ite sub-contracts to.d   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 06:30:04 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)G Subject: Re: Unauthorised mail access, was: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMSd3 Message-ID: <KDzV1dZPuTde@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  x In article <GWYMaH4GEoYK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: > P > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=i%2BFOJZGtbV0Z%40eisner.encompasserve.org >   B I should point out that the non-privileged user does _not_ see theM incoming password as the POP server does not display it in it's trace output..   Simon.   -- iB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       & "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:35:27 GMTa& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>< Subject: Re: What is the best value for CHANNELCNT parameter1 Message-ID: <zP8D9.1$l%2.252051@news.cpqcorp.net>o   Rudolf Wingert wrote:V > Hello, > A > in case of buildung up a new system with OpenVMS 7.3-1, I wouldy? > like to know what the best value for CHANNELCNT. Should it as-@ > big as possible? Or should it be small (min CHANNELCNT=FILLM)? > What are the rules?r >   > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert >   C I have mine set at 3000.  I needed that for some Java applications iE (NetBeans) that had lots of open files.  Mozilla also opens its fair dB share of files, but I suspect that the default of 256 would be OK.   --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Companyr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:14:36 +0000 E From: Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net>aI Subject: Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at Montagar?c8 Message-ID: <chqptuo6cqumdnndo8i06860muv4frgf0j@4ax.com>  F On 13 Nov 2002 09:26:42 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   >In article <r8t4tug3a900d271ibr2470ntt3lpbkt2k@4ax.com>, Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> writes: / >> The site hasn't been updated for months now?e >i' >There is no VAX V7.3-1 release of VMS.o  F So how do I actually GET a new oV hobbyist distribution for my VAX? Is VMS now defunct?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:10:32 +0100 8 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com>3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system?V. Message-ID: <ari0t9$2ert$1@news2.ipartners.pl>  + > Here's where I'd look for that version...  > A > http://riogrande.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/a721h1d.htm. >>K > This gives a list in reverse chronological order which is *really* handy.i >d  - Thanks. This is really an user-friendly site.a :)   T. D.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:30:16 -0500g; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>h3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system?l$ Message-ID: <3ddd0a4a$1@news.si.com>  7 >Also, to check for patches you already have installed,  >the command is: >l >PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT VMS /FULLn  J Not on a VAX, since patches are more often than not VMSINSTAL kits and not
 PCSI kits. -- uA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comg= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent=< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:28:05 -0500 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system? 8 Message-ID: <c99qtugtakthjohrdgi623n1d0l3amqst7@4ax.com>  0 On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:20:00 -0500, David Beatty) <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote:0   > 7 >Also, to check for patches you already have installed,V >the command is: >  >PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT VMS /FULLD  L ...for patches installed in PCSI format. For older versions of VMS and otherM non-PCSI patch kits, you can check for a release notes file in SYS$HELP, e.g.r  " $ dir sys$help:vax*.rel*,vms*.rel*   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP]-   VAXC032.RELEASE_NOTES;10P                           82/90        6-JUN-2000 13:21:21.30  (RWED,RWED,RWED,)! VAXDWMOTMUP01_073.RELEASE_NOTES;21P                           16/18       16-MAR-2001 15:22:13.97  (RWED,RWED,RWED,) VAXMAIL01_073.RELEASE_NOTES;1wP                           13/18       16-MAR-2001 14:03:30.17  (RWED,RWED,RWED,) VAXSHAD01_073.RELEASE_NOTES;11P                           13/18       16-MAR-2001 14:03:09.27  (RWED,RWED,RWED,)  ! Total of 4 files, 124/144 blocks.s  0 You may also see old "junk" from prior versions.I -------------------------------------------------------------------------pI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)rI -------------------------------------------------------------------------h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:10:37 -0800a" From: Koloth <koloth@telocity.com>? Subject: Re: Would HP ever do something like this for VMS? Nah!t+ Message-ID: <3DDC94FD.6010706@telocity.com>s  H I  was reading this news group and interspersed between the rantings of ' no VMS jobs and no VMS advertising was e* a posting for pheromones to pick up women.  E And I had a thought.  Maybe the VMS marketing group should not think  I big, but think small.  Real small.  Tiny in fact.  Start out by creating -I printed ads aimed at CEOs and CIOs.  You know PHBs.  Then lace them with eH pheromones that attract both men and women. When the CEOs and CIOs read H the ad, they have a subconsious uncontrollable non-thinking urge to use A OpenVMS.  (Hopefully, the pheromones will be powerful enought to aF conteract their uncontrollable non-thinking urge for Microsoft)  They $ have to have it.  They must have it.  E Pretty soon microsoft servers are being replaced by OpenVMS servers.  '  Analysts are stumped.  Yes it works!!!o  F Or they start an attactment to the advertisement itself that can only % truly be told in alt.sex.fetish.paperr   Cass   John Smith wrote:h  3 >http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,687469,00.aspa >)	 >11, 2002t, >Chubby Gets Jiggy at HP Party for Tablet PC2 >(or how to earn $10,000 per hour while you dance) >u >By  Spencer F. Katt >a >kL >Attendees rocked out in the Big Apple's Hudson Theater as rock legends GaryK >U.S. Bonds, Chubby Checker and the Shirelles helped Hewlett-Packard launchiK >its Compaq Tablet PC last week. The audience was also treated to host Dick M >Clark, of "American Bandstand" fame, quizzing HP execs on music trivia. "Who I >knew company Prez Michael Capellas knew so much about the Jackson Five,"yJ >cackled the Kitty. The crowd really cut loose when Chubby Checker invitedL >them on stage with him as he performed "The Twist." The Furball interpretedM >Capellas' movements as something closely resembling the twist, but it was HPoM >CEO Carly Fiorina's bump dance with Checker that drew cheers from the crowd.T > K >Later, when Fiorina asked the audience, "Is this a sexy product, or what?" K >El Gato was pretty sure it had been the dancing-not the demo-that promptedt7 >an audience member to yell back, "You're sexy, Carly!"u >i >--------------------l >tI >Bet the cost of this little party was twice the annual VMS marketing and- >advertising budget. > M >Way to go Carly. Care to bet there won't be pics of her at this event in then >annual report to shareholders?t >n >p >  m >e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.644 ************************