1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 22 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 645       Contents:' Advanced server 7.3 on OVMS 7.3 problem  Re: allocating from P1 Re: allocating from P1 Re: Alpha post-upgrade problem+ Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail  CSV files to .JPG  Re: CSV files to .JPG  Re: CSV files to .JPG  Re: CSV files to .JPG ) CSWS 1.2 - Private Key generation problem  Database for VMS Re: Database for VMS Re: Database for VMS DCPS V2.2 field test available Debugging decw$startlogin?6 DECW$XFS (X font service) - anyone successfully using?3 RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? 3 Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? P Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before  youwrite it  yM Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before you write it P Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before youwrite it you Re: Get owner info from UAF  Re: Get owner info from UAF  Re: Get owner info from UAF  Re: Get owner info from UAF % Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure  Re: Gnat Ada for VMS1 Re: How to delete a command from the DCL-Tables ? ) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org 8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha8 Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha- Re: Java runtime error trying to access a URL  Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems$ Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!$ Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!! Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS  Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS ' Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS  Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1 Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1% Re: PHP sybase_ct module availability % Re: PHP sybase_ct module availability % Re: PHP sybase_ct module availability % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance $ Re: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setup$ RE: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setup. Reminder:  Two surveys need your participation? Re: Sue Skonetski recognized at OpenVMS Symposium for hard work J Sue Skonetski recognized at OpenVMS Symposium for hard work and dedicationN RE: Sue Skonetski recognized at OpenVMS Symposium for hard work and dedication# System uptime - The Uptimes Project  Re: Termination mailbox problem  Re: Termination mailbox problem  Re: Termination mailbox problem : Unauthorised mail access, was: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS Re: VS3100 help, please. Re: VS3100 help, please.! Re: What is DAP status code 5067? @ Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at Montagar?@ Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at Montagar?* Re: Where can I find patches to my system?* Re: Where can I find patches to my system?6 Re: Would HP ever do something like this for VMS? Nah!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:21:06 -0800- From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) 0 Subject: Advanced server 7.3 on OVMS 7.3 problem< Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0211211521.2b8d6e1@posting.google.com>   Hi    % I have a Advanced server 7.3 install    
 $ ucx sho ver   7   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 2   on a AlphaStation 250 4/266 running OpenVMS V7.3  4 when I go and pwrk$config it I cant join the domain:    D Enter the name of the primary domain controller for domain ACADEMUS: MERKABA < Enter the name of the administrator account: [Administrator]0 Enter the account password in the required case: Re-enter to verify password:  # Confirming domain name with MERKABA   E PWRK-F-COMERR, error communicating with the primary domain controller  Error getting domain name      the logs give me:     8 PWRK$COMMONROOT:[000000.LOGS]PWRK$KNBDAEMON_TSCTST.LOG;8  7  Sun Nov 17 17:55:32 2002 PH Address: AA-00-04-00-62-08 2  Sun Nov 17 17:55:33 2002 IP Address: 172.16.0.1995  Sun Nov 17 17:55:33 2002 NBNS IP Address: 172.16.1.2 1  Sun Nov 17 17:55:33 2002 KNB Driver linked with   <netbios/streams/pwips> succes sfully;  Sun Nov 17 17:55:33 2002 KNB Driver : Starting knblink ... =  Sun Nov 17 17:55:33 2002 KNB Driver : Starting knblmhost ... =  Sun Nov 17 17:55:33 2002 preloaded nbname MERKABA         at  172.16.1.10 C  Sun Nov 17 17:55:33 2002 KNB Driver : Starting knbbindresolver ... F  Sun Nov 17 23:43:21 2002 resolve_name: LMHOSTS Lookup for LANGROUP        [1b] failed knbcb 38 6  Sun Nov 17 17:55:31 2002  dllink t_open successful on netbios/streams/dl6  Sun Nov 17 17:55:31 2002  dllink t_open successful on netbios/streams/dlpi1 E  Sun Nov 17 17:55:31 2002  Exiting dllink with success we have one or 	 more dlpi  devices B  Sun Nov 17 17:55:31 2002 netbios/streams/nbes opened successfullyB  Sun Nov 17 17:55:31 2002 Microsoft NetBEUI : Starting nbelink ...  Sun Nov 17 17:55:31 2002 done $         # 1: I can ping and nslookup the PDC     $ ping  merkaba ) PING MERKABA (172.16.1.10): 56 data bytes 7 64 bytes from 172.16.1.10: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=2 ms 7 64 bytes from 172.16.1.10: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=1 ms 7 64 bytes from 172.16.1.10: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=0 ms 7 64 bytes from 172.16.1.10: icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=0 ms      ----MERKABA PING Statistics---- 9 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss ' round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/1/2 ms    and nslookup merkaba:    $ nslookup merkaba Server:  sps2s.spsd.sk.ca  Address:  172.16.1.2   Name:    merkaba.SPSD.SK.CA  Address:  172.16.1.10     ) 2: how would I check Netbios connectivity   E the PDC is Win2000 in a natvie 2000 domain the evernt log is clean no  reference to the try to join...   + the password was tried upper and lower case        what do you think I should try?   D I have been throught the as Iguide doing trouble shooting for a week and I am at a loss.               & any Ideas what causing me this problem   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:15:15 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: allocating from P1 3 Message-ID: <xVQkgXH1eUPT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3DDD275E.8209EFCF@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:  > ' > I think you were thinking of alloca .  >   9    Yep.  I knew there was another "a" in their someplace.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 20:34:01 -08001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)  Subject: Re: allocating from P1 = Message-ID: <477e0934.0211212034.53d11f67@posting.google.com>   X VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A174D7.3768A8CD@SendSpamHere.ORG>...s > In article <477e0934.0211210734.559962f9@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:  >  > G > Why do you think you need to allocate space in P1?  What's wrong with E > P0?  Unless, of course, it's cluttered with executable code because F > your using a "clutteral" language like C++ or you're trying to cacheG > the entire US Census database, I don't see why you cannot get by with  > P0.  > E > Explain what you're trying to accomplish and there my be other ways 0 > to skin the cat that you're trying to defrock.  ; Our applications use very little stack space.  Our apps are A multithreaded, and each thread gets its own stack, which pthreads F allocates off of the heap, P0.  Our main stack is very small, just big7 enough to fire off all of the threads that are running.   ? Yes, we consume lots of memory.  We are doing massive financial A calculations, with many huge vectors in memory.  Add to that some F VMZones, some memory mapped files, many many shared libraries of code,1 etc... and we start to push the P0 limit quickly.   D We can't easily switch to 64-bit programming, because we have aroundF 1,000,000 lines of legacy code (guessing, haven't checked lately) that may all assume 4 byte pointers.   C Given that, it seems that there is around 600 megs of unused 32-bit 7 memory in P1, even while reserving space for the stack.   E I have actually solved my problem, and it ended up being quite easy.  ; It just took some digging through all of the documentation.   F I ended up using a vmzone with custom get and free methods (not a userE zone, the regular zone, passing in my own get/free).  My get function F uses expreg to return pages from P0.  If that is full, it tries expreg to get pages from P1.   A It works like a charm, I can allocate over 1.7 gigs, free it, and F allocate it again.  Previously, I could only get just less than 1 gig.  = Finally, by consuming P0 then P1, the growth of P1 ultimately F approaches the stack, which will grow down to meet P1 as it grows up. F When they meet, you are SOL, but that is what we all learn in college,E stack grows one way, heap the other, and when tht meet in the middle,  you are toast.  A There is an easy way to fix this.  My main can increase the stack F using __ALOCA(1024*1024), then instantly pop the stack back.  This hasD the effect of reserving those virtual addresses in P1 for the stack,, making them unavailable to my custom VMZone.  E The only remaining issue is that VMZones require you to know the size C of the memory that you are freeing when you call lib$free_vm.  good B ol' "free" does not require this.  I know I can get around this by@ using boundary tags, but that "Adds a minimum of 8 bytes to eachD black."  For many small allocations (Strings), this could get really? expensive.  Or, perhaps "malloc" stores the length on the head, * costing you 4 or 8 bytes each time anyway?  
 joshua lehrer  factset research systems   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2002 08:34:36 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: Alpha post-upgrade problem - Message-ID: <87lm3m4f37.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * "Piotr Glowacz" <pglowacz@used.pl> writes:  F > Today I've upgraded the CPU Modules firmware from 4/xxx to 5/xxx. ItD > was very stupid move, since I have AS 2100A 4/275 system ;-) I was6 > in hurry and didn't read the instructions carefully.  D > Now, when I'm powering up the system, all messages on the OCP stopC > with: "FAIL I/O_00 0004". I've tried to run into FSL (by enabling C > FSL switch) and powering the machine with the HALT button in, but D > with no results. Now, my question is - what else can I do BEFORE IF > turn to the Compaq support?  My system is AS 2100A RM, with four EV4( > processors and one 512MB memory board.   You have to     1) Update the firmware   2) Swap in the new CPUs  ? The firmware must correct when you first power up the new CPUs, ' so it must be upgraded before the swap.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:42:48 GMT 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>4 Subject: Re: Base64 encoding, Attachments in VMSMail+ Message-ID: <3DDCFE0F.1139610C@digital.com>   G Use the SFF utility, as follows. I realise this is not VMSmail, OTOH it  works...   <snip 1>G $! Command file to send MIME attachments by VMSmail, using the SFF_SMTP * $! utility, and third-party MPACK utility. $!$ $! Small bugfixes, 30-Apr-2002, Mike $!
 $ set noon $ subj_text     = "''p1'"  $ attach_file   = p2 $ addr_to       = p3 $ addr_from     = p4 $ debug         = (p5 .nes. "")  $ if debug then debug=1  $ if .not. debug then debug=0  $! $! Example: - $! @DKA200:[MYPROGS.VMSMAIL_MIME]MMAIL.COM  - A $!      "test of MMAIL"                              - << Subject E $!      []X.GIF                                      - << Attachement F $!      """"""rechtman@dandan.raa.cpqcorp.net""""""  - << To. Note SIX quotesA $       """"""rechtman@dandan.raa.cpqcorp.net""""""    << From. 6  quotes!! $! $ mmail_ver=f$verify(debug)  $! $ proc = f$envir("Procedure") > $ dir = f$parse(proc,,,"DEVICE") + f$parse(proc,,,"DIRECTORY") $ pid = f$getjpi("","PID")( $ temp_file = "SYS$SCRATCH:MMAIL_''pid'"/ $ subj_text = f$edit(subj_text,"Compress,Trim") 9 $ mpack == "$''dir'MPACK_VAX.EXE"	! change for Alpha <<<< : $ mpack -s "''subj_text'"  -o 'temp_file'.tmp 'attach_file $!$ $ open/write file1 'temp_file'_1.tmp( $ write file1 "MAIL FROM:<''addr_from'>"$ $ write file1 "RCPT TO:<''addr_to'>" $ write file1 "DATA"
 $ close file1  $!A $ convert/fdl='dir'str_lf.fdl 'temp_file'_1.tmp 'temp_file'_2.tmp + $ append 'temp_file'.tmp  'temp_file'_2.tmp  $!& $ sff :== $SYS$SYSTEM:UCX$SMTP_SFF.EXE. $!!!! sff :== $tcpip$system:tcpip$smtp_sff.exe) $ sff 'temp_file'_2.tmp  -loglevel 'debug & $ dele/nolog/noconf 'temp_file'*.tmp;* $ mmail_ver=f$verify(mmail_ver)  <end snip 1>   <snip 2 STR_LF.FDL >A IDENT   "30-MAY-2000 08:17:13   OpenVMS ANALYZE/RMS_FILE Utility"    SYSTEM'         SOURCE                  OpenVMS    FILE"         CONTIGUOUS              no!         EXTENSION               0 "         FILE_MONITORING         no!         GLOBAL_BUFFER_COUNT     0 *         ORGANIZATION            sequential   RECORD#         BLOCK_SPAN              yes /         CARRIAGE_CONTROL        carriage_return )         FORMAT                  stream_lf !         SIZE                    0  <end snip 2>  D You can get MPACK_VAX and/or MPACK_AXP off the net, or IIRC from one+ of the recent (V4 or V5) freeware releases.      Mike Mike Freeman wrote:  >  > Greetings! > ? > Somewhere in the dim, dark past I remember being able to send K > BASE64-encoded files using VMSMail.  For the life of me, however, I can't L > drag the procedure out of my memory banks (you don't suppose I'm aging, doH > you?).  So: how does one send, say, a binary file using VMSMail (other# > than, say, UUENCODEing it first)?  > K > Also, is it possible to send files using VMSMail with MIME surrounds such J > that other mail programs on the Internet will see the file(s) being sent > as attachments?  >  > We're using UCX, BTW.  >  > T I A! >  > -- > Mike Freeman < K 7 U I J >J > "All men tend to become that which they oppose." - Laurence van der Post   --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:34:14 -0700 ! From: "CMO" <cmorrill@nospam.com>  Subject: CSV files to .JPG/ Message-ID: <arjcfn$s58$1@admin-svc.micron.com>   J If have been trying to find an easy way to take text data or text file andK convert it to a graph on VMS.  I can manipulate how the data is placed into F the text file but I do not know how to convert it to a graphical file.  E Is there a way to have a file that converts it to a .JPG file on VMS?    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:20:49 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: CSV files to .JPG3 Message-ID: <fTP1YdrM$koN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <arjcfn$s58$1@admin-svc.micron.com>, "CMO" <cmorrill@nospam.com> writes: L > If have been trying to find an easy way to take text data or text file andM > convert it to a graph on VMS.  I can manipulate how the data is placed into H > the text file but I do not know how to convert it to a graphical file. > G > Is there a way to have a file that converts it to a .JPG file on VMS?   C    I always just used Lotus/123.  DEC gave away copies of this (you A    could choose other suff) when they tried to make VMS a desktop C    platform.  I wonder if that's still supported.  I wonder if that     still works?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:42:05 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: CSV files to .JPG/ Message-ID: <3DDD7D4A.4E739E7F@vl.videotron.ca>   
 CMO wrote:G > Is there a way to have a file that converts it to a .JPG file on VMS?   N There are some graphical routines available (but requires programming). Or youN could use Postscript to convert the data to a graphic, and then ghostscript to# convert it to .JPG or other format.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:19:14 +1100 * From: "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> Subject: Re: CSV files to .JPG' Message-ID: <ark0mj$nsa$1@lore.csc.com>   
 CMO wrote:C > If have been trying to find an easy way to take text data or text G > file and convert it to a graph on VMS.  I can manipulate how the data G > is placed into the text file but I do not know how to convert it to a  > graphical file.  > G > Is there a way to have a file that converts it to a .JPG file on VMS?   ? Check out the capabilities of Gnuplot: http://www.gnuplot.info/   , It builds under VMS and may suit your needs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:57:35 -0500 % From: Liz Lee <LizLee218@hotmail.com> 2 Subject: CSWS 1.2 - Private Key generation problem* Message-ID: <3DDD9D1F.F0227E9@hotmail.com>  1 We are currently running CSWS 1.2 on OpenVMS 7.3.   E We use the Certificate Tool which comes with CSWS to generate CSR for E secure certificate. We've done this several times with version 1.1-1. > For every CSR, the server only generated one Private Key file.  @ However, when we request a CSR this time on CSWS 1.2, the serverD generates 2 Private Keys under the same file name but with differentE version number. The contents in the 2 files look different. Which one 
 should I use?   5 Has anyone came across the same problem? Is it a bug?    Liz Lee    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:24:59 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> Subject: Database for VMS - Message-ID: <3DDD330B.7268AD2@pressenter.com>    Hello,  F I know this has been brought up before, but I didn't follow the thread at the time.  < What are the options/opinions of a "free" database for VMS?   H I went out and looked as MySQL... But there's isn't a VMS port for it. I+ downloaded it anyway... Maybe I'll port it.      Thanks in advance,   Lyndon     --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:01:04 -0600 7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>  Subject: Re: Database for VMS G Message-ID: <craigberry-4B2E31.20010421112002@news.directvinternet.com>   - In article <3DDD330B.7268AD2@pressenter.com>, 0  Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote:  > > What are the options/opinions of a "free" database for VMS?   B Rdb is available in a hobbyist version from the Oracle Technology , Network.  Look for "Oracle Rdb products" at   1 <http://technet.oracle.com/software/content.html>   2 I think Mimer gives you the first copy free.  See:   <http://www.mimer.com>  ? If it's a commercial deployment, I don't think there is a free   alternative.  J > I went out and looked as MySQL... But there's isn't a VMS port for it. I- > downloaded it anyway... Maybe I'll port it.   B Please do, but it's more than an afternoon's work.  PostgreSQL is G probably a better database.  David Mathog posted some notes on what it  F would take to port it; do a web search on his name and PostgreSQL and B I'm sure you'll find it.  IIRC the main kicker was replacing unix F domain sockets with mailboxes or global sections for IPC; not for the ? faint of heart but quite doable for someone with the resources.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:36:55 +0100 B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> Subject: Re: Database for VMS 7 Message-ID: <3DDD9847.23B7@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>    Lyndon Bartels wrote:  >  > Hello, > H > I know this has been brought up before, but I didn't follow the thread > at the time. > = > What are the options/opinions of a "free" database for VMS?  > I > I went out and looked as MySQL... But there's isn't a VMS port for it.  / > I downloaded it anyway... Maybe I'll port it.   I I noticed several messages in the group mailing.database.mysql-internals  E from a french guy who is in the process of porting MySql to OpenVMS.  E The last one was about a week ago (november 14). If you want to know  E how he's doing, or want to give him a hand, you can search in Google  D for last weeks posts on "OpenVMS", "MySql" and "port", and you will  find his E-mail address.   --   ME Posted by news://news.nb.nu    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:42:33 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>' Subject: DCPS V2.2 field test available 5 Message-ID: <211120021541063211%paul.anderson@hp.com>   ? OpenVMS Engineering is pleased to announce that a field test of D DECprint Supervisor (DCPS) V2.2, called DCPS F2.2, is now available.  B The major features of this release are new printer support and the@ addition of autostart capability to DCPS queues.  DCPS F2.2 adds# support for the following printers:   *         HP       Color LaserJet 2500, 5500>                  LaserJet 4200, 4300, 5100, 4100 MFP, 9000 MFP         Lexmark  C750   B It is likely that additional printers will be added in future V2.2D field test releases.  Anyone running the newly-supported printers orF interested in autostart DCPS queues is encouraged to install the field test.   E Please see the F2.2 Release Notes for a full list of enhancements and B bug fixes.  The SPD, Software Installation Guide, System Manager'sG Guide and User's Guide have not been changed for this release, but will * be revised for a later field test release.  G This kit will expire on July 1, 2003.  DCPS V2.2 is expected to ship in  Q1 2003.  E If you are interested in participating in the field test, please send   me mail at paul.anderson@hp.com.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:20:36 -0800* From: cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley)# Subject: Debugging decw$startlogin? = Message-ID: <139d5a58.0211211520.32141ecd@posting.google.com>   E I'm fighting a weird here today, gone tomorrow problem with my PC and F my Alpha(7-2.1).  I want to run decw$startlogin to launch into the CDEA environment (using Reflections).  This afternoon, it just stopped 7 working.  No error messages, no known changes, nothing.   E What can I do to debug this?  I could ask desktop support for help...  yeah, right.   mystified and annoyed    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:54:56 +1030 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> ? Subject: DECW$XFS (X font service) - anyone successfully using? 3 Message-ID: <arh27q$k7t$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au>   L I've been asked to look into why font services from our VMS systems seem to @ provide intermittent service at best.  Primary use is to supply K DECW-specific fonts to some X-terms and PC X display servers.  We start it  H during system DECW startup and the process DECW$XFS is present where it J should be.  There is nothing in the SYS$MANAGER:DECW$FS-ERRORS.LOG.  If I D telnet to port 7100 sometimes I can type a few characters before it L disconnects (no output) sometimes it disconnects immediately.  I have tried J various configuration file items based in the XFS man page (some of which " cause the DECW$XFS.EXE to ACCVIO).  4 Is the DECW font server daemon congenitally useless?  I If not, is there some technique or tool I can use to diagnose this issue?    AATIA.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 12:15:50 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) < Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?3 Message-ID: <NG4g46DXQN4b@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <01C2914B.31E2B130@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: G > I have no doubt this would be a good thing for us customers, but I do D > wonder why HP would take a captive market and open it up for otherJ > vendors to take a bite. However, from other postings it does indeed seemH > this is what they're doing. Could this indicate an interest in growing1 > the user base? Did I just see a flying pig? :-/  >  > I'm confused.  >   - 	I think some folks might read it that way.     D 	Let's use good old Joe Tucci as an example of where the industry is 	headed.   	Joe says this:   ) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-966349.html   N EMC's Tucci also stressed his company's focus on the software side of the dataH storage business, where it is spending three-fourths of its research and development budget.   L "Just like everything else in this industry, the value inevitably ends up in the software,'' he said.     ---   : 	He says that of course because it is true AND his company= 	has had the stuffins knocked out of it on the hardware side.  	Have to make money somewhere.  > 	Dell is in hardware.  Dell makes sure that margins stay razorA 	thin in hardware... including storage.  The "Dell effect" hasn't > 	really worked its way out in storage yet.  The software isn't? 	there to make storage totally plug and play like servers (yes, ; 	there is more to it than that... but you catch the drift).   A 	The value will be somewhere other than server margins.  HP could > 	*foolishly* hope to lock users into HP hardware via firmware E 	hackups for HP/UX and VMS... BUT ... wisdom dictates that would just ; 	cause massive backlash.  Imagine if Solaris only worked on > 	Sun hardware... and not Fujitsu.  IA64 will be far wider open! 	than UltraSparc.  Far more OEMs.    				Rob    B Men with walkie-talkie                  I'm home again to you babeC Men with flashlights waving             You know it makes me wonder G Up upon the tower                       Sittin' in the quiet slipstream > The clock reads daylight savin'         Rollin' in the thunder  .                                 -- Neil Young    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:26:51 -0500 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> < Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDKEBFCEAA.dallen@nist.gov>  B 	Perhaps the question is whether HP is in the hardware or softwareJ 	business.  Since they manufacture HP-UX and VMS but not Itanium they loo= k J 	like a software company to me. If software is the only part of the packa= geJ 	you actually manufacture why should you care greatly where the rest of t= heJ 	package comes from (aside from the support issue) as long as you sell yo= urJ 	product?  You may make more on the turn-key package but if that limits t= heJ 	sales of your basic product significantly you are likely better off sell= ing J 	both the bundled and un-bundled product.  And anticipating responses abo= utJ 	past Compaq practices I can only say that I have a "whitebox" Alpha sitt= ing J 	on this desktop with a fully licensed copy of VMS 7.2 (purchased from CP= Q)J 	running on it.  No support contract from CPQ of course!  The market is n= o J 	less captive in this scenario - simply larger. No one else makes or sell= s        VMS or HP-UX.    	Dan   > -----Original Message------ > From: Shane Smith [mailto:ssmith@icius.com] + > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:46 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? >  > G > I have no doubt this would be a good thing for us customers, but I do D > wonder why HP would take a captive market and open it up for otherJ > vendors to take a bite. However, from other postings it does indeed see= m H > this is what they're doing. Could this indicate an interest in growing1 > the user base? Did I just see a flying pig? :-/  >  > I'm confused.  >  > Shane  >  > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br] , > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:43 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? >  > H > I dont have doubt that HP in the future can use the same Itanium boardE > as DELL, made by Intel ! The cost will not grow with mass productin D > of Itanium Motherboards by Intel.... and.... HP can plug all theirD > Network/Storage hardware in these motherboards. If Itanium will beD > the consolidation processor, why not consolidade the production of= > the boards. HP can append just their specifc hardware ! ! ! = > At the end, I think Itanium will be one standard hardware !  > 	 > Regards  >  > FC+ > --- Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote: I > > Did you just say "firmware and hardware rules"? Are you implying that J > > the VMS port to Itanium will run on any Itanic based system that foll= ows J > > Intel's guidelines regardless of manufacturer? If that's what you mea= nt, " > > I'm interested and encouraged. > > J > > Call me cynical (because I am, and I know it) but I'd sort of expecte= d E > > there to be some widget or other that tied VMS to HP's own Itanic 5 > > systems, probably in the form of custom firmware.  > > 	 > > Shane  > >  > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]- > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:44 AM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com @ > > Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? > >  > >  > > ( > > Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...@ > > >In article <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"# > > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > >> Fabio Cardoso wrote:  > > >>> 
 > > >>> Click  > > >>> 1 > > >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.html  > > >>J > > >> Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at OpenV= MS,  > > >> don't count on it.  > > > < > > >I would not count it out as being technically possible. > > > I > > >Certainly HP would not provide technical support, but it is possible > > > >you might be able to buy a license (and not get support). > > J > > As he said, I think the only question is one of licensing, I don't th= ink E > > there is a technical issue, as long as they are following all the  > > firmware & > > hardware rules.  > >  > >  > >  > >  >  >  > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D K > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?7 > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.  > http://mailplus.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:23:32 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>< Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?/ Message-ID: <3DDD40C2.D5E8F44D@vl.videotron.ca>    Rob Young wrote:E >         It is indeed getting harder to FUD up IA64 with Dell lining D >         up and all that.  Because... we know it means the hardware4 >         will be very reasonable in cost, don't we?  N Perhaps it is just me, but I don't see Dell's IA64 program as truly genuine. IM have a feeling that Intel may have grabbed Mikey's balls and told it to start F producing IA64 stuff otherwise the price of the 8086 chips might rise.  J There really is no business or technocal reason for Windows to go to IA64,N especially since the amount of software on windows-IA64 will be a small subset! of what is available on the 8086.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:30:12 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>< Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?/ Message-ID: <3DDD4252.484D65D6@vl.videotron.ca>V   Dan Allen wrote:S >         business.  Since they manufacture HP-UX and VMS but not Itanium they looke( >         like a software company to me.  1 Au contraire. HP is primarily a hardware company:n  , All wintel companies are hardware companies.  N HP gets substantial proportion of its business with Printers, and Carly is now gung ho about cameras too.  E And remember that the "real" HP was almost all hardware, with all theV> monitoring/scientific equipment as well as the HP calculators.  $ I'd say HP-UX is a small part of HP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:21:47 -0500m* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?2 Message-ID: <nyWdnS-nxq_100CgXTWcpQ@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Y3UGXfrdnQqx@eisner.encompasserve.org...a   ...r  , > It is indeed getting harder to FUD up IA64  D Actually, there's never been any need to FUD it up:  it does such anI excellent job itself of displaying its drawbacks, try though its boostersoC may to mask them behind carefully-selected competitive comparisons.7    with Dell lining  > up and all that.  H 'Lining up' is indeed the correct description:  they haven't said a wordH about *when* they might start offering Itanic2 systems -possibly becauseK Intel still hasn't managed to ship a chipset for them (and if/when they do,oD then the question will be whether it is as much of a pig as HP's zx1G marketeers would like people to believe other Itanic2 chipsets will be,SL which could have a definite impact on non-zx1 - and thus Dell - salability).  > Dell has a pretty efficient business model, and can thus offerL marginally-popular products lines as a convenience for its customers withoutG losing money on them.  This makes the fact that it withdrew its Itanic1pL workstation products particularly telling (demand must have been effectivelyK zero) and explains why it can afford to take a flyer on Itanic2 now that iteI actually seems to be shipping (as opposed to the paper launch last July -aJ which Dell apparently recognized for what it was more clearly than most of the rest of the world).   K If/when Dell actually does start offering Itanic2 systems, their success in I that endeavor may provide (as their Itanic1 offerings did) better insightED than we've yet had into whether any significant numbers of customers actually want to buy them.   - bill   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:08:25 -0800 (PST)p. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>< Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?@ Message-ID: <20021121230825.26783.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>   Dane  N I am sure OVMS will not disappear from today to tomorrow, but what about HP-UX ?mL I belive the standar Unix will disappear in a few years. Much more companiesJ are using Linux. May be NSK and OVMS will be the last High-End proprietary OSes.eK And HP-UX, Solaris and AIX, will be less used because Linux is growing. Andh@ what  is the best plattorm to have a high-end Linux (Itanium)...@ So, I am not worried about HP-UX running in dedicated HP Itanium servers,because N HP-UX will disapear or be converted to a HP Linux, like Solaris will be soon -G just wait ! Sun launched this week a Security Server powered by Intel +s Linux...  I I allways said that Sun focus should be the end consumer and not only thebM corporate - because there are a limit of corporations worldwid...may be this v is a way to begin....c    L AIX...will become a Linux too with IBM selling much more Linux servers thanb AIX...   Regards    FC  & --- Dan Allen <dallen@nist.gov> wrote: > D > 	Perhaps the question is whether HP is in the hardware or softwareL > 	business.  Since they manufacture HP-UX and VMS but not Itanium they lookM > 	like a software company to me. If software is the only part of the packagetM > 	you actually manufacture why should you care greatly where the rest of the,M > 	package comes from (aside from the support issue) as long as you sell yournM > 	product?  You may make more on the turn-key package but if that limits theSN > 	sales of your basic product significantly you are likely better off sellingM > 	both the bundled and un-bundled product.  And anticipating responses aboutdN > 	past Compaq practices I can only say that I have a "whitebox" Alpha sittingM > 	on this desktop with a fully licensed copy of VMS 7.2 (purchased from CPQ) L > 	running on it.  No support contract from CPQ of course!  The market is noL > 	less captive in this scenario - simply larger. No one else makes or sells >       VMS or HP-UX.0 >  > 	Dan >  > > -----Original Message-----/ > > From: Shane Smith [mailto:ssmith@icius.com]k- > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:46 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn@ > > Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? > >d > > I > > I have no doubt this would be a good thing for us customers, but I doiF > > wonder why HP would take a captive market and open it up for otherL > > vendors to take a bite. However, from other postings it does indeed seemJ > > this is what they're doing. Could this indicate an interest in growing3 > > the user base? Did I just see a flying pig? :-/  > >  > > I'm confused.G > >A	 > > Shane1 > >  > > -----Original Message-----9 > > From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br].. > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:43 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt@ > > Subject: RE: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? > >m > > J > > I dont have doubt that HP in the future can use the same Itanium boardG > > as DELL, made by Intel ! The cost will not grow with mass productinkF > > of Itanium Motherboards by Intel.... and.... HP can plug all theirF > > Network/Storage hardware in these motherboards. If Itanium will beF > > the consolidation processor, why not consolidade the production of? > > the boards. HP can append just their specifc hardware ! ! !t? > > At the end, I think Itanium will be one standard hardware !  > >h > > Regardsn > >h > > FC- > > --- Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:tK > > > Did you just say "firmware and hardware rules"? Are you implying thattN > > > the VMS port to Itanium will run on any Itanic based system that followsN > > > Intel's guidelines regardless of manufacturer? If that's what you meant,$ > > > I'm interested and encouraged. > > >iL > > > Call me cynical (because I am, and I know it) but I'd sort of expectedG > > > there to be some widget or other that tied VMS to HP's own Itanice7 > > > systems, probably in the form of custom firmware.n > > >a > > > Shanem > > >   > > > -----Original Message-----@ > > > From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com]/ > > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:44 AMr > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1B > > > Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ? > > >  > > >  > > >0* > > > Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...B > > > >In article <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"% > > > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:s > > > >> Fabio Cardoso wrote:y	 > > > >>>a > > > >>> ClickP	 > > > >>>w3 > > > >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.htmlw > > > >>N > > > >> Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at OpenVMS, > > > >> don't count on it.e > > > >b> > > > >I would not count it out as being technically possible. > > > >yK > > > >Certainly HP would not provide technical support, but it is possiblet@ > > > >you might be able to buy a license (and not get support). > > >eN > > > As he said, I think the only question is one of licensing, I don't thinkG > > > there is a technical issue, as long as they are following all theb > > > firmware & > > > hardware rules.  > > >e > > >g > > >e > > >o > >  > >o	 > > =====W > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazily > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > >t6 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!?9 > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.o > > http://mailplus.yahoo.coma >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?5 Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.m http://mailplus.yahoo.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:48:21 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> < Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?' Message-ID: <3DDD8CE5.1040810A@fsi.net>w   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > & > Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...> > >In article <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"! > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:1 > >> Fabio Cardoso wrote:l > >>>r > >>> Clicka > >>>c/ > >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.htmln > >>J > >> Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at OpenVMS, > >> don't count on it.d > > : > >I would not count it out as being technically possible. > >tG > >Certainly HP would not provide technical support, but it is possibleh< > >you might be able to buy a license (and not get support). > J > As he said, I think the only question is one of licensing, I don't thinkN > there is a technical issue, as long as they are following all the firmware & > hardware rules.m  E ...and who set those rules? If it wasn't OpenVMS, forget it - I'm notd' betting on anything until I see it run.r  E Other o.s.-es have a supported hardware list. Solaris/Intel is a good D parallel here. I would expect OpenVMS-IPF to likewise have a list ofA supported chipsets, etc. outside of which I would expect marginald success, if any.   -- t David J. Dachtera? dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 21:36:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s< Subject: Re: DELL Itanium Servers - May be we can run OVMS ?3 Message-ID: <vFWIIg5XjxrA@eisner.encompasserve.org>/  [ In article <3DDD8CE5.1040810A@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:r > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >> i' >> Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...g? >> >In article <3DDC50D6.3254BEC9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"0" >> <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> >> Fabio Cardoso wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Click >> >>>0 >> >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966499.html >> >>tK >> >> Unless the folks at Dell have been working with the folks at OpenVMS,m >> >> don't count on it. >> >; >> >I would not count it out as being technically possible.1 >> >H >> >Certainly HP would not provide technical support, but it is possible= >> >you might be able to buy a license (and not get support).f >> hK >> As he said, I think the only question is one of licensing, I don't think,O >> there is a technical issue, as long as they are following all the firmware &  >> hardware rules. > G > ...and who set those rules? If it wasn't OpenVMS, forget it - I'm note) > betting on anything until I see it run.   > Intel sets those rules.  All vendors should be following them.  E But I have just had a lot of experience examining ISO9660 CDROMs from E various sources, and many products targeted at Microsoft Windows fail H to follow the Joliet rules written by Microsoft.  So indeed the computerI industry has many producers who test against Windows and if it works theyH, ignore the issue of conforming to the rules.  G > Other o.s.-es have a supported hardware list. Solaris/Intel is a goodrF > parallel here. I would expect OpenVMS-IPF to likewise have a list ofC > supported chipsets, etc. outside of which I would expect marginal  > success, if any.  F I expect the Intel VMS list will include only HP hardware (absent someH special arrangement like ruggedized military machines), but I have equalG faith that some of the participants here will get their hands on non-HP ) Itanium machines and report results here.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:46:17 GMTa& From: Curtis Rempel <curtis@telus.net>Y Subject: Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before  youwrite it  y!6 Message-ID: <JwjD9.156$hu.70400@news2.telusplanet.net>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Curtis Rempel wrote: > J >>Just a heads up if you're considering writing this certification exam in >>the near future.   [snip]    B > This has been brought to HP/Q's attention. Mark G. Cc'd me on anG > internal memo to his internal delegate. I understand that a fix is inc > the works.  / Would you mind sending me a copy of it offline?M  F After reaching the NorthAmericaCAP@hp.com folks via phone, I was told F that I'd have to email nacurriculum@hp.com - they kindly forwarded my C email to them to that address.  However, they said it is a 48 hour mH turnaround.  I have not yet heard back and I suspect that if and when I G do hear back, it is going to be a difficult struggle trying to explain nA to the Windows weenies on the other end why their exam is broken.e  C Prometric was kind enough to grant a free rewrite voucher and I am nD supposed to contact them once it can be verified that Compaq/HP has 9 fixed the broken exam so I don't end up writing it again.    Thanks!S   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:19:59 -0800F* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>V Subject: Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before you write it2 Message-ID: <uV2dnVL80KWt5UCgXTWcpQ@mpowercom.net>  3 "Curtis Rempel" <curtis@telus.net> wrote in message 5 news:Q4ZC9.15735$Cn2.1719207@news2.telusplanet.net...o= > I reflected back on the exam and realized that there was in + > fact no VMS questions on the exam at all!  > L The obvious conclusion is that HPaq understandably assumes anyone working onI VMS now is doing so only to migrate to Windows.  Netware was thrown in toaK test your legacy knowledge.  Testing for VMS skills would be as relevant asgI testing for your ability to program the drum card on an IBM 129 keypunch.h     Jack PeacockJ (ex OS-8, RT-11, TOPS-20, RSX-11, RSTS, VMS programmer busily migrating to
 VB and XP)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:05:00 -0600i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>sY Subject: Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before youwrite it youc' Message-ID: <3DDD90CC.3BA25B5E@fsi.net>a   Curtis Rempel wrote: > J > Just a heads up if you're considering writing this certification exam in > the near future. > J > I wrote it today and after the first few questions, I began to wonder ifG > I was writing the correct exam as the questions were thus far Windows(G > and NetWare related.  Of course I thought that was odd since the ExamaH > Guide for 010-627 on the HP certification website clearly says OpenVMSJ > all over the place without a single mention of Windows or NetWare.  So IC > plodded along and was subsequently diverted into the evil land of > > SANworks Secure Path questions for Windows and NetWare.  :-( > F > The other strange thing is that other OpenVMS exams I've written allJ > allow for you to "mark" and review questions at the end.  As well, everyF > question has a "Next" and "Previous" question button.  This exam hadF > neither capability and when I finished the last question it promptlyI > told me I had not passed the exam without a chance to review any of theo. > questions or click on the "End Exam" button. > I > After I had explained this strange (!) exam content to the examiner (as-I > well as the fact that there was no opportunity for reviewing questions)hE > I was told that it did indeed seem strange to her and that I shouldeH > contact Prometric and Compaq to discuss a rewrite (this is still knownH > as a Compaq exam according to Prometric even though the HP website now; > shows it is an HP exam as well as in the exam guide PDF).i > D > As I was explaining this matter to Compaq/HP (BTW, their new emailE > address, certification.americas@hp.com, does not work despite beinggA > listed on the website and also being the address you get in thetC > confirmation email when you apply for a certification through theeI > website.  The old address, NorthAmericaCAP@hp.com, still works though ImI > found out), I reflected back on the exam and realized that there was innE > fact no VMS questions on the exam at all!  Then I got thinking thateI > maybe what had happened is that since 010-627 is a new exam, just maybeo@ > they did a poor cut/paste job on an existing exam, say 010-629I > (Windows/NetWare and HSx80), did a global replace on Windows/NetWare totE > OpenVMS, and added the VMS outline to the exam guide, replacing anyeF > Windows/NetWare specific stuff in the outline.  I took a look at theH > 010-629 (Windows/NetWare) Exam Guide and sure enough, it's verbatim toI > the VMS 010-627 exam with the exception at the end in Module 8 where it0G > says "OpenVMS Host Configuration".  That leads me to believe that theRG > exam pool questions haven't been touched at all - I probably actuallytJ > wrote the 010-629 exam questions even though it says OpenVMS on the examH > result sheet.   Looking at the exam result sheet, none of the sectionsH > use VMS anywhere - in fact, the last 3 sections on the result page areJ > called "SANworks Secure Path" (which does not apply to VMS), "Windows NTA > 4.0 and Windows 2000 Host Configuration", and "NetWare 5.x Host/ > Configuration".  >  > So, from what I can gather,y > 1 > a) there seems to be a case of sloppy cut/pastehH > b) the exam questions are actually the same ones from the 010-629 poolI > c) Compaq was attempting to brainwash VMS folks into Windows (followups2 > to alt.conspiracy please)r > d) both a) and b). > A > Whatever the case, there certainly seems to be a QA issue here.  > J > Anyway, I'm going to discuss it with whomever is on the other end of theH > certification phone line these days (Compaq or HP) and see if they canF > figure out why we need to know Windows/NetWare specific stuff for an > OpenVMS specific exam :-)r > J > Thought I'd post this to warn anybody considering writing this exam thatG > you may want to hold off for a bit, or study up lots on the billywaret" > stuff ;-)  <cough, gag, sputter>  @ This has been brought to HP/Q's attention. Mark G. Cc'd me on anE internal memo to his internal delegate. I understand that a fix is in:
 the works.   --   David J. Dachtera0 dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:36:26 -0500e& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>$ Subject: Re: Get owner info from UAF8 Message-ID: <nngqtugl577alcm1cl66950dr8jq0fl5fd@4ax.com>  B On 21 Nov 2002 09:56:00 -0800, daveparboo@hotmail.com (DXP) wrote:  C >I need to extract the "Owner" details from SYSUAF - now before youuF >start pounding away at your keyboard, thinking "this should be in FAQ% >by now", let me add the following...-  N As other responders have indicated, this isn't a good job for DCL. I recommend you get a copy of GETUAI fromR  < 	http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?GETUAI  L and either use it as is or use it to roll your own. This program can be usedL (with appropriate privilege) to retrieve any field of interest from a SYSUAF record.f  % For example, for what you want to do:a   $ show symbol getuai"   GETUAI = "$XXXXX:[XXXXXX]getuai" $ getuai system /owner=owner $ show symbol owner:   OWNER = "David M Smith"r  I -------------------------------------------------------------------------tI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comiI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:14:13 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d$ Subject: Re: Get owner info from UAF3 Message-ID: <4KJvuxHjCDcm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <819f1cc4.0211210955.c6a6de3@posting.google.com>, daveparboo@hotmail.com (DXP) writes:e   > I'm using the following code;o >   > $ open /read /share uaf sysuafH > $ read uaf record /index = 0 /key = "''p1'" /match = EQ /error = _Exit
 > $ close uaf 5 > $ owner = f$edit(f$extract(85, 31, record), "trim")s > $! > $ show symbol owneri > 2 > Aha! "So where's the problem", I hear you ask... > 3 > Well, if p1 .eqs. plebby_user then no problem....oE > However, if p1 .eqs. super_user_with_loads_of_privs_and_identifiers   F    According to FDL the key at index 0 is length 32.  That makes senseD    because you probably should be looking by username.  So why wouldH    p1 be "super_user_with_loads_of_privs_and_identifiers"?  Is it really    record that's too long?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:14:07 -0600m1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>l$ Subject: Re: Get owner info from UAF' Message-ID: <3DDD92EF.26FC5908@fsi.net>    Rob Young wrote: > e > > In article <819f1cc4.0211210955.c6a6de3@posting.google.com>, daveparboo@hotmail.com (DXP) writes:"8 > >> $ owner = f$edit(f$extract(85, 31, record), "trim") > > ...b6 > >> Well, if p1 .eqs. plebby_user then no problem....H > >> However, if p1 .eqs. super_user_with_loads_of_privs_and_identifiersF > >> then I get the message, "%DCL-W-BUFOVF, command buffer overflow -( > >> shorten expression or command line" > >>H > >> Now, I am aware of the 1024k symbol buffer size limit, but how do I/ > >> get the info from this record that I need.. > Q >         One of the best UAF extracting programs is getting harder to find.  JoeoJ >         Meadows , (in a much earlier DECUS submission I suppose) has twoE >         programs (in addition to Verb) that are in the same bundle. A >         GUESS_PASSWORD and UAF.  I just went and found it here:C > % > http://www.uniud.it/ftp/vms/uaf.zipr > E >         Maybe there is another place... real tricky to find though.w > = >         To do what you are after looks like this using UAF:c > E >         $ uaf /sele=(user=username_goes_here)/display=owner/nolabelo > ) >         Or numerous variations on that.  > B >         Then play with PIPE to force it into a symbol to make it= >         usuable.  Many examples of that about.  That or youv- >         can do it the old fashioned way by:t > L >   $ uaf /select=(user=username_goes_here)/display=owner/nolabel/output=a.a > # >         And then reading from a.a   H I'll add it to my freeware area, unindexed since the directory itself is listed in the OVMS FAQ.   A The program includes source, so maybe someone could add a /SYMBOL-
 qualifier.  F Then again, isn't there a GETUAI program or something on FILESERV that already does that?   -- r David J. DachteraD dba DJE Systems1 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/P   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 21:03:13 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)h$ Subject: Re: Get owner info from UAF3 Message-ID: <mjP6V4JQs71V@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3DDD92EF.26FC5908@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > Rob Young wrote: >> - >> -> >>         To do what you are after looks like this using UAF: >> kF >>         $ uaf /sele=(user=username_goes_here)/display=owner/nolabel >> a* >>         Or numerous variations on that. >> 7C >>         Then play with PIPE to force it into a symbol to make itn> >>         usuable.  Many examples of that about.  That or you. >>         can do it the old fashioned way by: >> iM >>   $ uaf /select=(user=username_goes_here)/display=owner/nolabel/output=a.ae >> W$ >>         And then reading from a.a > J > I'll add it to my freeware area, unindexed since the directory itself is > listed in the OVMS FAQ.t > C > The program includes source, so maybe someone could add a /SYMBOLu > qualifier. > H > Then again, isn't there a GETUAI program or something on FILESERV that > already does that? >   $ 	Yes.  David Smith pointed that out.  A 	A quick comparison shows GETUAI's strength to be pumping results  	to a symbol.  e  ' 	UAF can do things like  this and more:s  I $ uaf /select=(user=a*,flag=nodisuser)/match=and/display=(username,owner)0  & 	One slick use is in this DCL snippet:  F $ read/prompt = "        Number of days without logging in? [180]: " -         sys$command numidleD. $       if numidle .eqs. "" then numidle = 180$ $       numidle = f$integer(numidle) $       call vms_date 'numidle't= $       uaf/sele=INTERACTIVE=(17-NOV-1858,'day_month_year') -m5            /display=(username,logfails,interactive) -r!            /field_delimiter="|" -d;            /nolabel/output='scratchdir''mypid'_idledays.logeH $       if f$file_att("''scratchdir'''mypid'_idledays.log","ALQ") .eq. 0 $       thenF $               write sys$output "No one inactive for ''numidle' days"   		etc.  = 	If the last interactive login falls outside that range, then & 	they won't match ... aren't inactive.  = 	That is to give a nice menu function to track down inactive 0: 	accounts or accounts with high login failures (not in theA 	menue function above, but elsewhere given as another example).   ; 	Automate it in batch if need be and disuser automatically.t  = 	While GETUAI I suppose has its feature, the two really don'ti, 	compare feature-for-feature, in my opinion.   				RobH  N "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persistsI  in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all progress dependsD1   on the unreasonable man." --George Bernard Shawt   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:11:07 GMT'8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond). Subject: Re: geting parameter in DCL procedure0 Message-ID: <fdaD9.5$Nd3.65601@news.cpqcorp.net>   Rob Young [I think] wrote:                    e1 > >> This is clearly one of those cases where theo0 > >> syntax analyzer should simply have *ALWAYS*< > >> required the trailing apostrophe (just like it requires! > >> balanced "double-quotes")...e  = Careful!  DCL does not always require balanced double-quotes.wA A closing quote is generally/often/always assumed at end of line.a E.g.  $     $ write sys$output "Hello World!  . works just well with out the closing " as does  %     $ write sys$output "Hello World!"    with the closing ".e  F And, in my opinion, it is just as bad to omit the closing double-quote* as it is to omint the closing appostrophe.   --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:47:43 +0100n% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>e Subject: Re: Gnat Ada for VMSo% Message-ID: <3ddcf20f$1@news.post.ch>u  L > I presume you have informed ACT.  Please be sure to inform VMS Development > at HP as well.   Which way should I go?   Jakoba   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:27:50 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: How to delete a command from the DCL-Tables ?2 Message-ID: <WZdD9.16821$up.193857@news.chello.at>  e In article <argjh8$6f2$1@news.dtag.de>, "Thomas Egenberger" <thomas.egenberger@technidata.de> writes:n6 >with the installation of oracle on OpenVMS Alpha 7.21: >an old java version was installed and integrated into the< >DCL-Tables. Installing a newer Version of Java, the commandH >java still points to the old version (which has other syntax qualifier) >f; >How can I delete the old java command from the DCL Table ?i  K $ SET COM/TA=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES/OU=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES - 
 	/DEL=JAVA) $ INSTALL RE SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES ) $ SET COM/TA=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLESh  
 >And maybe= >How can I make the new command to be part of the DCL-Table ?R  M There is no .CLD file in newer JAVA versions. Do you want to build your own ?s  C >Work around is in the moment to define a symbol to the new versionl >to override the old command.n  6 That's no workaround. That's the supported method now.  1 $ JAVA == "$ sys$common:[java$131.bin]java$java "t  = Note the space at the end. This (and umpteen other) symbol(s) F (and logicals) is (are) defined in JAVA$131_SETUP.COM which you shouldG invoke in you LOGIN.COM (and JAVA$STARTUP.COM in you SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM):   -- n Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:01:53 -0600s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>m2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org' Message-ID: <3DDD9011.F5BE7E0E@fsi.net>r   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Well > > > I just had this idea when I noticed that people in this list@ > is spreaded worldwide but without a real link with each other, > except by this list. > I > This idea is in the begining, and people here can contribute and if Ken P > Farmer accept the idea we can use OpenVMS.or as a worldwide brand, independentO > of DECUS, Encompass, HP User Group - just for OpenVMS ! The idea is to have aiP > worldwide virtual organization to give support in OpenVMS sites. If someone atP > HP agrees with  it would be good if this virtual org would be supported by HP.E > Because there are a lot of alone guys, idependet consultants. TheseoG > guys would be OpenVMS Ambassadors. Each one giving support in his/her ( > country. Just an idea to think about !  H I admire your spirit, Fabio, but let's face reality here: this is hardlyG a den of entrepreneurs. The VMS faithful are working people: employEEs,]G not employERs. The whole concept is well outside of both their paradigmi and their "comfort zone".L  G ...and we need to accept also, that like everyone else, the denizens ofiF comp.os.vms are cowed by BG's wealth and power. Folks here are no moreD likely to piss off "the king", or even risk it, than anyone at HP/Q.  G (Folks: Is your blood boiling yet? ...or do I have piss you off more tow" get you to actually do something?)   --   David J. Dachterak dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:30:33 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) 2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org9 Message-ID: <ZhjD9.17594$Gc.487430@twister.austin.rr.com>o  0 David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote: : I : ...and we need to accept also, that like everyone else, the denizens ofdH : comp.os.vms are cowed by BG's wealth and power. Folks here are no moreF : likely to piss off "the king", or even risk it, than anyone at HP/Q. : I : (Folks: Is your blood boiling yet? ...or do I have piss you off more to-$ : get you to actually do something?) :   
 Do what ?   E We of comp.os.vms don't own VMS, it's HP's to do with as it sees fit, 8 including listen to the Wintel Cartel, if they so chose.  C Many of us have closed the book on the VMS chapter of our lives, as B "VMS job market" becomes as big an oxymoron as "corporate ethics".  C A lot of us will be closing the book on the IT chapters as well, asv( headlines like these become more common:  ;    http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/1503461D+    Nearly 1 Million IT Jobs Moving Offshore   =    http://www.zdnetindia.com/news/national/stories/70849.html :    US to move 3.3 Million jobs offshore by 2015: Forrester  >    http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/14952510    Harsh Fall: High-Tech Layoffs Soar In October    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:14:22 -0800e, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>A Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alphan4 Message-ID: <arjbag$jahh7$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  H Yeah but, as in most shops where the users home directory is the same as their username3 this would never work.  SCHENKENBERGER 's too long.j   But funny anway.   Jimr    , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A17415.389E30F5@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In articleG <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027B9F@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, VAXVMSo <bounce@notmail.com> writes: > >n > >Look who's mentioned :^). >r# > It was there a few versions back.i >l9 > Shameless plug... check HELP SHOW DEFAULT EXAMPLE  (#4)r >r > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >e6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:02:34 GMT'" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGA Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha 0 Message-ID: <00A174F7.7E60E5A3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <arjbag$jahh7$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>, "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:rI >Yeah but, as in most shops where the users home directory is the same ass >their usernamen4 >this would never work.  SCHENKENBERGER 's too long. >g >But funny anway.A >  >Jim  G But my username is SYSTEM and my home directory is [SYSMGR].  That puts  a damper on your theory.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            o5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:20:06 -0500w& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>A Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alphas8 Message-ID: <qjfqtus86mn6ek9utff3oqqrdl612mi97t@4ax.com>  J On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:14:22 -0800, "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote:  I >Yeah but, as in most shops where the users home directory is the same as- >their usernamel4 >this would never work.  SCHENKENBERGER 's too long.  L Well, since (I think) V6.x of OpenVMS it is not possible to create usernamesO longer than 12 characters. However, before that, it was possible to create suchtK usernames by taking "advantage" of two bugs in AUTHORIZE, one in the RENAMEvP command and one in the COPY command, either of which would complain about a longM username but then go ahead and create it. I have run into a number of systemsaG where such long usernames exist. The field in SYSUAF.DAT is actually 32 H characters long. Other than being truncated by the AUTHORIZE SHOW /BRIEFL command, such usernames continue to function normally, as far as I can tell, under newer versions of VMS.  ( This is for historical reference...  ;<)   From a V5.5-2 system here:  1 UAF> rename dsmith toolongusername /pass=abcd1234-$ %UAF-E-NAMETOOBIG, username too long" %UAF-I-RENMSG, user record renamed- %UAF-I-RDBMDFYMSG, identifier DSMITH modified> UAF> sh toolongusernameu  @ Username: TOOLONGUSERNAME                  Owner:  David M SmithP Account:  TEST                             UIC:    [377,1] ([TEST,TOOLONGUSERNAM E])d< CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES  Default:  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[DSMITH] LGICMD:   LOGINa Flags:  + Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri        l+ Secondary days:                     Sat SunS No access restrictionsD Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     0? Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired) HP Last Login: 15-NOV-2002 16:16 (interactive),            (none) (non-interactive)9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       100  Bytlm:         8192w9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0n9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:        18  JTquota:       1024 9 Prclm:           2  DIOlm:        18  WSdef:          150r9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:        24  WSquo:          256a9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        10  WSextent:       512I9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:       100  Pgflquo:      10240  Authorized Privileges: d   TMPMBX NETMBXr Default Privileges:    TMPMBX NETMBXe UAF>  Exit  2 %UAF-I-DONEMSG, system authorization file modifiedB %UAF-I-NAFNOMODS, no modifications made to network proxy data base, %UAF-I-RDBDONEMSG, rights data base modified XXXXXX$ set host 0O *******************************************************************************pO ** YOU MAY NOT ACCESS OR CHANGE COMPUTER PROGRAMS OR DATA WITHOUT AUTHORITY. **oO **            IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE AUTHORISED TO DO THEN           **sO **            CONTACT THE CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTRE ON EXTENSION ????          **hO **   WHEN YOU HAVE READ AND UNDERSTOOD THE ABOVE MESSAGE YOU MAY CONTINUE.   **pO *******************************************************************************s Username: TOOLONGUSERNAMEc
 Password: 8         Welcome to VAX/VMS version V5.5-2 on node XXXXXX7     Last interactive login on Friday, 15-NOV-2002 16:16t  @ Your password has expired; you must set a new password to log in     New password:  Verification:    $ lo4   TOOLONGUSERN logged out at 21-NOV-2002 15:20:03.17I -------------------------------------------------------------------------oI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)fI -------------------------------------------------------------------------n   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:18:26 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)tA Subject: Re: Interesting SHOW USERS "feature" under VMS 7.3 Alpha 3 Message-ID: <tpaJKLZbdC+p@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <arjbag$jahh7$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>, "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:tJ > Yeah but, as in most shops where the users home directory is the same as > their username5 > this would never work.  SCHENKENBERGER 's too long.  >   D    Gave that up when I added an account for a user with a hyphenatedC    name (her husband is from the middle east).  I couldn't give hereB    a properly spelled username, but I did give her a correct login
    directory.a  F    Someday VMS needs to allow more special characters in usernames and    passwords than it does now.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 16:30:40 -0800, From: rcs@slac.stanford.edu (Robert C. Sass)6 Subject: Re: Java runtime error trying to access a URL= Message-ID: <ab56e6c6.0211211630.6bc1175b@posting.google.com>   F Looks like it might be a Fast VM problem in the 1.3.1-4 release. I got> the same error until I used the Classic VM and then it worked.   Thanks for your help!o   Bob   h koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<nWzlIKpDKAm6@eisner.encompasserve.org>...n > In article <ab56e6c6.0211200948.2cc56904@posting.google.com>, rcs@slac.stanford.edu (Robert C. Sass) writes: > > Running it produces: > >  > > $ java "TestURL" > > Entered main.P > > Created URL # > > Error retrieving NameServer IORc> > > errno: 47, error: address family not supported   for fd: 7 >  >    I get   >  > Entered main.n
 > Created URLl > Opened stream. > Created buffered readerd > IOR = <html><head> > G >    VMS 7.2-1, java 1.3.1, FastVM 1.3.1-1, java$filename_controls = 8,eD >    DCL extended parsing enabled, decc$argv_parse_style = "ENABLE",& >    decc$efs_case_preserve = "ENABLE" > 0 > The URL I tried was "http://www.altavista.com"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:17:03 -0500y0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systems9. Message-ID: <3DDD3F3D.619AA8F@vl.videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:D > I can't imagine us wanting a happy HP-UX customer to port to VMS.   L Prior to HP buying Digital, would you have said the same thing ? How many of) your competitor OS do you say this with ?,  @ Is Solaris the only OS you can imagine stealing customers from ?  K VMS has technical features that make it unique and which are not present inoN HP-UX. In the past, HP would work hard to prevent its customers from defectingI to Digital. But now that VMS is part of HP, there should be ABSOLUTELY NO @ REASON for HP to prevent a HP-UX customer from switching to VMS.  O Would GM prevent some customers from switching from a chevrolet to a cadillac ?i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:13:25 GMT=# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>_% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemshJ Message-ID: <F7bD9.157329$MGm1.82647@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message( news:3ddd1bbf$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com... >r! > John Smith wrote in message ...n > >aC > >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message_0 > >news:zU8C9.26$w34.1038486@news.cpqcorp.net... > >> > >> > > >>L > >> Remember that there is more than just a new CPU chip.  It's an entirely > >newF > >> system platform from the ground up.  As in *any* new major system > >platform,K > >> things always appear to stretch out at the end while the last few nitsg > >(andDL > >> not just HW, but SW) are cleaned up as real customer workloads start to > >hitJ > >> them in field test.  The Marvel platform is unreal in how fast it is, andyL > >> how well it scales - even the 800Mhz proto's were unbelievable.  As far > as > >IL > >> can detect, there is no feet dragging to get it officially shipped, but > >carebL > >> is being taken to make sure that it is 100% rock solid when it hits the > >> street. > >u > >bJ > >So Fred, how much advertising and marketing of Marvel do you think will > takeA > >place at Sun and IBM and existing HP Superdome customer sites?n > >t > >Just curious. > >  >dJ > I can't imagine us wanting a happy HP-UX customer to port to VMS.  As to thenK > rest, it's hard to change the path of a customer committed to another OS.sE > But if they are OS agnostic, I expect that Marvel will sell itself.     K One changes the path of customers by advertising and marketing, even if theh% product is utter crap. See Microsoft.   E It helps marketing and advertising immeasurably when the product is ap! superior one. See Marvel and VMS.c  J So HP will simply send out a one paragraph announcement to the trade pressB stating that Marvel systems are now GA, along with a couple sampleG configuration prices and then sit by the phones with order pads in hand-D awaiting the phones to ring 24x7 with new orders from new customers?   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:01:03 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e% Subject: Re: Jaw dropping EV7 systemsC3 Message-ID: <zu4H0hOB+wI4@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  f In article <3ddd1bbf$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > C > I can't imagine us wanting a happy HP-UX customer to port to VMS.@  *    You wouldn't care to make them happier?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:57:51 GMT.. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!>2 Message-ID: <PxdD9.16395$up.193288@news.chello.at>  S In article <00A17415.87EBD1DC@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:l8 >I've completely lost the ability to send email with MX. >lI >I can receive email but any mail I originate (send or reply) shows up oniI >the queue as CANCELLED.  Any hints or suggestions where to look?  I'm ato >a loss.  + Check file protections and user privileges. D I once reduced the file protections too much and sending a file withE VMSmail led to a DCL prompt after VMSmail completed but no mail-entrys inserted (only CANCELLED).   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERa% Network and OpenVMS system specialistn E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:48:34 GMTt" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: Madgoat MX users, I need help!!!s0 Message-ID: <00A17517.10AB012D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <PxdD9.16395$up.193288@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:oT >In article <00A17415.87EBD1DC@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:9 >>I've completely lost the ability to send email with MX.  >>J >>I can receive email but any mail I originate (send or reply) shows up onJ >>the queue as CANCELLED.  Any hints or suggestions where to look?  I'm at	 >>a loss.  >i, >Check file protections and user privileges.E >I once reduced the file protections too much and sending a file with F >VMSmail led to a DCL prompt after VMSmail completed but no mail-entry >inserted (only CANCELLED).s  F Nothing on my system changed!  I know so as I am the ONLY user of saidE system.  MX had been working just fine on Monday -- which was a shortmG day for me because I headed out to a Peter Gabriel concert -- and Tues-iG day morning it was FUBAR.  Nobody but my daughter and my 3 year old sonhF were home and I'm fairly confident that neither knows my 20+ characterF passwords to my machines.  MX just weirded out.  This problem finally F prompted me to upgrade from V5.1 to V5.3.  In the process, the problem was annihilated.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMd             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 13:14:31 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS3 Message-ID: <ftLpVgUYnrEi@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  b In article <3DDD3AFB.1EB2675E@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > David Webb wrote:hM >> The fact that you need privileges to bind to ports less than 1024 is good.tQ >> It stops user's setting up a web server on the official port - port 80 on yourh$ >> system without your knowledge etc > N > But having to grant a privilege that allows the image to do a whole lot moreK > than just bind to that port is just as dangerous, especially when you are@U > talking about open source/freeware programs that come from other operating systems.5 > N > Since they don't know about VMS, they won't have code to turn off SYSPRV andP > turn it on only when absolutely necessary, and with SYSPRV alwasy on, you riskO > that freware application corrupting your system, just like IIS did to Windowsg0 > because it runs with the equivalent of SYSPRV. > N > This is one reason I trust the OSU web server since I know that it turns off+ > its allocated privileges when not needed.r > P > However, if there were a privilege (such as LOG IO or other) which allowed theI > binding of the port without granting the application free access to the-! > system, it would be far better.2  D Who told you the fairy tale that LOG_IO doesn't give the application free access to the system?   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:58:52 -0500E0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMS/ Message-ID: <3DDD3AFB.1EB2675E@vl.videotron.ca>    David Webb wrote:aL > The fact that you need privileges to bind to ports less than 1024 is good.P > It stops user's setting up a web server on the official port - port 80 on your# > system without your knowledge etcE  L But having to grant a privilege that allows the image to do a whole lot moreI than just bind to that port is just as dangerous, especially when you are S talking about open source/freeware programs that come from other operating systems.r  L Since they don't know about VMS, they won't have code to turn off SYSPRV andN turn it on only when absolutely necessary, and with SYSPRV alwasy on, you riskM that freware application corrupting your system, just like IIS did to Windowsq. because it runs with the equivalent of SYSPRV.  L This is one reason I trust the OSU web server since I know that it turns off) its allocated privileges when not needed.o  N However, if there were a privilege (such as LOG IO or other) which allowed theG binding of the port without granting the application free access to thet system, it would be far better.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:24:13 GMT * From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>0 Subject: Re: New version of DVDwrite for OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <h2dD9.2$rN3.96351@news.cpqcorp.net>  8 "Ryan Moore" <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> wrote in message7 news:Pine.LNX.4.31.0211201701340.27339-100000@jaipur...m  L > A lot of feature length movies use double-layered disks.  Depending on theH > disk and the player, there is sometimes a small "pause" when the layer@ > switch happens.  If you watch a lot of movies on DVD, you willL > occasaionlly notice this small (.1-.75) second pause in the movie.  If theH > authoring of the disk is done well, it happens at a scene switch whereJ > it's less noticable.  Some DVD players can tell you which layer they are  > reading (like my Sony player).  D Thanks for the correction.  I was not aware that double-layered disk7 technology actually made it out to the consumer market.0     Paul A. Jacobi Hewlett Packard Companyo! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698 $ Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:14:23 GMTW* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1w5 Message-ID: <211120021612567829%paul.anderson@hp.com>a  G In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211201741390.29762-100000@athena.csdco.com>,m# John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> wrote:a  J > It's understood that this problem doesn't affect DPCS which is your mainL > interest, however, the file server is non-functional except for a trivial H > volume - I noticed that it would work if there were one or maybe a few > files.  G The volume I mounted is a directory with 489 files in it.  Well, that's,E what the Mac-mounted volume shows; a DCL DIRECTORY command shows 513,5A excluding .MSAF$CAT files.  (I wonder where the 24 files went...)   G > The file server appears to be looping when msaf$server(n) attempts ton > perform verification.n  . I have partial verification set on the volume.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringo   Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:44:35 -0500Q5 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com>i' Subject: Re: Pathworks Mac vs VMS 7.3-1 / Message-ID: <utrdhu67crtq5e@corp.supernews.com>)  I You aren't also running Advanced Server V7.3A somewhere in the cluster oriH somewhere such that it might be touching the same files, are you?  UntilI V7.3A, we had maintained the MAC info in the %80ACE, however, in V7.3A weo? actually nuke it and re-write that ACE, sans MAC information...o   Brad    / "John Nebel" <nebel@csdco.com> wrote in messageoA news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0211181557310.17812-100000@athena.csdco.com...  >e? > It looks like VMS 7.3-1 breaks the unsupported and heretofore + > indestructible Pathworks Mac file server.n >iC > The file server loops doing BIOs when it tries to mount a volume.  >-$ > Does anyone know of a work-around? >,J > The NFS server does seem to work well with Mac OS X 10.2, however, there8 > are still a lot of OS 9x Macs which need to be served. >c	 > Thanks,0 >f > John Nebel >2   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:18:58 -0600o) From: "Sam Rozenfeld" <rozenfeld@dls.net>n. Subject: Re: PHP sybase_ct module availability, Message-ID: <2YSdnYiqudKC90CgXTWc2Q@dls.net>  I No, I don't. I don't even think they make Sybase for VMS anymore. I couldi really use it badly.  B "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> wrote in messageA news:craigberry-6DF6F6.11093421112002@news.directvinternet.com... . > In article <EnqdnaBrR4s60EGgXTWcpA@dls.net>,- >  "Sam Rozenfeld" <rozenfeld@dls.net> wrote:a >fH > > Does anyone know if sybase_ct module will be available for VMS PHP ? ThisL > > module allows you to access SQL server and is very handy for programming > > with SQL server back end.w >:G > A quick look at the code suggests it might not be that hard to build.-@ > However, it also looks as though it requires the Sybase client> > libraries.  Do you have Sybase installed on your VMS system?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:53:15 -0600-) From: "Sam Rozenfeld" <rozenfeld@dls.net>-. Subject: Re: PHP sybase_ct module availability, Message-ID: <FJCcnbqjbty070CgXTWcqA@dls.net>  J In case someone is interested, I just found out from that sybase_ct can beL compiled with FreeTDS libraries which I have. FreeTDS was actually ported toG VMS. (Works great for accessing MS SQL server from DCL). I just need to  figure out how to build it.o  B "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> wrote in messageA news:craigberry-6DF6F6.11093421112002@news.directvinternet.com... . > In article <EnqdnaBrR4s60EGgXTWcpA@dls.net>,- >  "Sam Rozenfeld" <rozenfeld@dls.net> wrote:o >eH > > Does anyone know if sybase_ct module will be available for VMS PHP ? ThisL > > module allows you to access SQL server and is very handy for programming > > with SQL server back end.  > G > A quick look at the code suggests it might not be that hard to build.h@ > However, it also looks as though it requires the Sybase client> > libraries.  Do you have Sybase installed on your VMS system?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:16:07 -060027 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>f. Subject: Re: PHP sybase_ct module availabilityG Message-ID: <craigberry-9016D8.19160721112002@news.directvinternet.com>a  , In article <FJCcnbqjbty070CgXTWcqA@dls.net>,+  "Sam Rozenfeld" <rozenfeld@dls.net> wrote:"  L > In case someone is interested, I just found out from that sybase_ct can beN > compiled with FreeTDS libraries which I have. FreeTDS was actually ported toI > VMS. (Works great for accessing MS SQL server from DCL). I just need toW > figure out how to build it.w  G Please post details of the FreeTDS port.  I've been meaning to do this  H for awhile but haven't gotten around to it.  Last time I downloaded the ? sources (a few days ago) I didn't see any VMS build procedures.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:39:29 GMT 1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> . Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance7 Message-ID: <R8eD9.2097$S5.131445@nasal.pacific.net.au>I  / Peter LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:i   >>. >>[TCP/IP] Internet Performance Program TTCP.CN >>http://www.compaq.com/support/asktima/communications/009d0125-ee1a6d20-1c02a >>1.html  G > TTCP is already part of TCPIP V5.3 and maybe also earlier versions.../  - 	Yep, it's in TCPIP V5.1 ( ECO 3 ) already...    						Cheers,  Csaba  I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogoE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.eI    ----------------------------------------------------------------------o;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:e   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2002 02:00:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setupI- Message-ID: <87u1ia4xcs.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   . "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:  F > "Steve Bainbridge" <stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message9 > news:a48f6f51.0211210150.65bd796f@posting.google.com...-  @ > > I have an OpenVMS application that needs Read/Write locks toB > > protect an area of shared memory, several processes can accessD > > this memory 10,000+ operations per second with the vast majority< > > of them reads - it needs to be as efficient as possible.  $ > > What is the best method to use ?  D > > Will the system services $ENQ be too slow/use too much resourcesF > > (I'm not too keen on having a dedicated lock manager taking a CPU) > > ?   C > You didn't mention the hardware, but you should easily be able tow> > get 10k per second for local locks using $ENQ.  Keith ParrisC > measured lock latencies in the 4-6 microsecond range depending ont; > the hardware.  I've seen rates over 90k per second duringn+ > application testing.  (6 processor gs140).  E For shared memory, use a spin or wait lock in the section, or severalrD of them. $ENQ is way too long a code path for shared memory locking,D unless you want recovery of locks in a Galaxy after a node crashing.  * If you use a lock-sequence number, you can  	 read LSN, 	 read datao read LSN8 if LSN1 = LSN2 celebrate, else LSN1=LSN2 and read again.  : Depending on your write rate, readers could be starved out by continual looping.   > If you don't really NEED strict read/write ordering, then just read and go...   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.p@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:57:43 -0800m$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>- Subject: RE: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setupu0 Message-ID: <01C2915D.B53F0F30@sulfer.icius.com>  7 Just in case it wasn't obvious from other posts, Paul's.  ? >If you don't really NEED strict read/write ordering, then just  >read and go...y  H assumes you've planned your map so that your fields don't cross quadword boundaries.'   Shane.   -----Original Message-----3 From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]0* Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:00 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn- Subject: Re: Read/Write Locks in an SMP setupm    . "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:  F > "Steve Bainbridge" <stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message9 > news:a48f6f51.0211210150.65bd796f@posting.google.com...   @ > > I have an OpenVMS application that needs Read/Write locks toB > > protect an area of shared memory, several processes can accessD > > this memory 10,000+ operations per second with the vast majority< > > of them reads - it needs to be as efficient as possible.  $ > > What is the best method to use ?  D > > Will the system services $ENQ be too slow/use too much resourcesF > > (I'm not too keen on having a dedicated lock manager taking a CPU) > > ?n  C > You didn't mention the hardware, but you should easily be able toh> > get 10k per second for local locks using $ENQ.  Keith ParrisC > measured lock latencies in the 4-6 microsecond range depending on ; > the hardware.  I've seen rates over 90k per second duringa+ > application testing.  (6 processor gs140)s  E For shared memory, use a spin or wait lock in the section, or several D of them. $ENQ is way too long a code path for shared memory locking,D unless you want recovery of locks in a Galaxy after a node crashing.  * If you use a lock-sequence number, you can  	 read LSN,h	 read datao read LSN8 if LSN1 = LSN2 celebrate, else LSN1=LSN2 and read again.  : Depending on your write rate, readers could be starved out by continual looping.n  > If you don't really NEED strict read/write ordering, then just read and go...   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:23:04 GMT0( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>7 Subject: Reminder:  Two surveys need your participationa? Message-ID: <YFfD9.130188$dn3.5908877@twister.southeast.rr.com>.   Quick reminder:t  ( 2002 Worldwide HP OpenVMS Study (Survey)3 http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=OpenVMS_Study    New:  + Encompass Education and Member Needs Survey + http://www.encompassus.com/surveyintro.htmla    K This is one of the best ways for you to get your opinion counted.  The more H of us that participate, the more often they will probably offer surveys.       Kenl   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.orgS   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:06:20 -0500]! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>:H Subject: Re: Sue Skonetski recognized at OpenVMS Symposium for hard workK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BA2@rlghncst964.usps.gov>u   It's about damn time.    You rule, Sue.  5 I'd have chipped in a few bucks if I'd known about itt aforehand...  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/11/21/4003931m   WWWebb   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.orgu   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800: 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:40:25 GMT@( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>S Subject: Sue Skonetski recognized at OpenVMS Symposium for hard work and dedicatione? Message-ID: <dpcD9.130134$dn3.5871625@twister.southeast.rr.com>e  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/11/21/4003931O   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:39:47 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>W Subject: RE: Sue Skonetski recognized at OpenVMS Symposium for hard work and dedication 0 Message-ID: <01C29163.7C1A3F80@sulfer.icius.com>  D I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say: Whoever's idea that/ was, and whoever did the work involved, thanks.    Shaneo   -----Original Message------ From: Ken Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org]I) Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:40 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComuH Subject: Sue Skonetski recognized at OpenVMS Symposium for hard work and
 dedication    9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/11/21/4003931s   --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.orgt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:08:06 +0100a; From: "Jerome" <Jerome.Forissier@removethis.libertysurf.fr>o, Subject: System uptime - The Uptimes Project4 Message-ID: <newscache$s68y5h$4y7$1@news.tiscali.fr>   Hi,a  ) A few days ago, I came across this site :i http://uptimes.wonko.com/B  G Since there was no stats for OpenVMS, I decided to write a client in my,I spare time, and register a few hosts. The maintainer of the site has made?C the OpenVMS client available on the site (source and alpha binary).iK Granted, this is geek stuff, and, as mentioned in the FAQ, it probably does I not mean much about OS stability... However I like the idea and I thought * some folks in this NG may like it also ;-)   Take a look at:0- http://uptimes.wonko.com/stats.php?op=generaleK ...I'm sure we can make the OpenVMS bar scale much further to the right :-)    -- Jerome   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:45:29 -0500t* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: Termination mailbox problem5 Message-ID: <ZHaD9.18934$H67.85056@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>o  - Thank you very much for all this information.i   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  ; <briggs@encompasserve.org> a crit dans le message de news:i( VRZ2tD0cC9dJ@eisner.encompasserve.org...A > In article <7E9D9.18933$H67.85119@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"h" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:/ > > That's what I thought (from the look of it)  > >nJ > > So you're saying it is safe to mask off the high order nibble from anyF > > status code returned by DCL, and then let the program continue on, leaving:> > > whatever comparisons and checks it may perform, unchanged. > >l. > > Just one line of code to add and I'm done. > >d1 > > Now you're saying high-order nibble, not bit.m > > So I should do (DEC-Basic):2) > > Returned_Status = Returned_Status ANDr$ B'00001111111111111111111111111111'L > > rather thang) > > Returned_Status = Returned_Status AND $ B'01111111111111111111111111111111'L > >  > > Is that right? >oE > Correct.  If you will notice, the example status did _not_ have the J > high order bit set.  It had the _low order bit of the high order nibble_ > set. >u4 > The high order 4 bits contain control information. >  >   STS$V_CONTROL=28 >   STS$S_CONTROL=45 >wF > Bit 28 tells you whether the error message has already been reported >s >   STS$V_INHIB_MSG=28 >e# > Bits 3-27 tell you the message IDG >' >   STS$V_COND_ID=3u >   STS$S_COND_ID=25 >V@ > Those are further divided into a facility number in bits 16-27$ > and a message number in bits 3-16. >5 >   STS$V_FAC_NO=168 >   STS$S_FAC_NO=12t >. >   STS$V_MSG_NO=3 >   STS$S_MSG_NO=13w >e< > The facilities are divided into HP facilities and customer% > facilities.  The low half is for HPg >  >   STS$V_CUST_DEF=27  >M> > The message numbers are divided into those that are specificG > to the facility and those codes that are shared across all facilitiesa >a >   STS$V_FAC_SP=15  >   STS$V_CODE=3 >   STS$S_CODE=12  >e7 > And then there are the three bits devoted to severityp >e >   STS$V_SEVERITY=0 >   STS$S_SEVERITY=3 >a; > the bottom bit of which is the overall success indicationn >a >   STS$V_SUCCESS=0c ><D > That pretty much covers the stuff in module $STSDEF in STARLET.MLB >o
 > John Briggs    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:55:51 -0500 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>k( Subject: Re: Termination mailbox problem/ Message-ID: <utqi2ok4c5vmd1@news.supernews.com>E  5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messager/ news:7E9D9.18933$H67.85119@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...t- > That's what I thought (from the look of it)( >)H > So you're saying it is safe to mask off the high order nibble from anyL > status code returned by DCL, and then let the program continue on, leaving< > whatever comparisons and checks it may perform, unchanged. >S, > Just one line of code to add and I'm done. >-/ > Now you're saying high-order nibble, not bit.  > So I should do (DEC-Basic):-L > Returned_Status = Returned_Status AND B'00001111111111111111111111111111'L
 > rather than L > Returned_Status = Returned_Status AND B'01111111111111111111111111111111'L >S > Is that right?    H You should just call lib$match_cond.  There's more than just that bit to worry about.     >a > Thanks > -- >w	 > SyltremeK > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)o: > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >CF > "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> a crit dans le message de news:1 > k39D9.8115$kS3.1090796@news20.bellglobal.com...rJ > > When using LOGINOUT, DCL is activated.  When your image exits with theH > > 2C status, DCL writes it to SYS$ERROR (and SYS$OUTPUT, if different)L > > and then sets the high-order nibble to 1 (to indicate that the error has > > been > > reported???).o > > B > > If you use DCL, you must mask-off the high-order nibble before
 processing > > the exit status. > >g > > HTH/	 > > Scott39 > > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messagee3 > > news:%E8D9.18925$H67.85056@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...H > > > HelloA > > >o? > > > I am having a strange problem with a termination mailbox.r > > >dF > > > After modifying a program, which previously returned correct (or ratherL > > > "expected") status codes from the termination mailbox, the program nowJ > > > returns the correct code but... the most significative bit is ALWAYS > set.I > > > That is, if the "watched" program exits with status 2C, the programa > > readingtI > > > the termination mailbox would previously see the status code as HEX  > > 0000002C! > > > now it sees it as 1000002C.( > > > Why the difference?  > > >2I > > > My problem is that the watchdog program compares the status code to  > > > SS$_ABORT.H > > > SS$_ABORT is 0000002C, not 1000002C so the comparison is not equal > > anymore. > > >cH > > > I must add that the modification consisted of starting the program with# > > > $CREPRC running LOGINOUT.EXE. I > > > Prior to my modification, the $CREPRC was running an image directlyQ4 > > > That is, Before = $CREPRC runs program ABC.EXEH > > >             Now = $CREPRC runs LOGINOUT.EXE which executes ABC.COM whichT* > > > executes the same ABC.EXE as before. > > > G > > > Does it make a difference in the returned status, if the image isO > > > LOGINOUT.EXE ? > > >n, > > > I know I can change the comparison forB > > >     IF termination_status AND SS$_ABORT = SS$_ABORT  THEN...G > > > but why would I need to change the code in the first place is theA
 > question > > >P > > > Thanks > > >  > > > -- > > >.
 > > > Syltrem E > > > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en  > franais) > > > > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address > > >  > > >O > > >R > >N > >E >O >T   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 14:59:08 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)*( Subject: Re: Termination mailbox problem3 Message-ID: <UlEHicXL89G4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <%E8D9.18925$H67.85056@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes: > Helloe > ; > I am having a strange problem with a termination mailbox.  > I > After modifying a program, which previously returned correct (or rather-H > "expected") status codes from the termination mailbox, the program nowK > returns the correct code but... the most significative bit is ALWAYS set.tM > That is, if the "watched" program exits with status 2C, the program reading-N > the termination mailbox would previously see the status code as HEX 0000002C > now it sees it as 1000002C.6 > Why the difference?p > E > My problem is that the watchdog program compares the status code ton > SS$_ABORT.M > SS$_ABORT is 0000002C, not 1000002C so the comparison is not equal anymore.g >   A    The high order bits of a condition code do not define a unique D    condition.  Those bits are a control field (STS$M_CONTROL) who's     only defined bit is:s       STS$M_INHIB_MSG 10000000  G    I've seen applications take liberties with other bits in the controlnI    field.  You really should be looking at only the STS$M_COND_ID field, tM    which is unique to the condition.  LIB$MATCH_COND is a convenience routinec    which will do this for you.  -    Your program has a classic well known bug.t   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2002 06:20:00 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)C Subject: Unauthorised mail access, was: Re: Misuse of SYSPRV in VMSg3 Message-ID: <GWYMaH4GEoYK@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  T In article <H1SeJchEuKXQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > G > A good reason for not wanting J. Random user binding to a port < 1024  > L > You don't want the user putting up a POP3 server and harvesting passwords.J > You don't want the user putting up an SMTP server and harvesting e-mail. > B > And as the system manager you want to be able to take any or allB > of those services down without worrying about whether your users8 > are going to grab the ports while the service is down. > D > If I connect to your SMTP server, I darned well want it to be your> > SMTP server I'm connecting to and not some unprivileged user+ > process masquarading as your SMTP server.d >   L If you care about such things and are running an older version of UCX/TCPIP,M with the UCX/TCPIP POOP Server installed, you may want to check the followingy message of mine:  N http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=i%2BFOJZGtbV0Z%40eisner.encompasserve.org  L I have now tried this on a TCP/IP 5.3 system and it does indeed _not_ appearG to be vulnerable. The only version that I have found this on is the 5.0d version on the hobbyist CD.-  I During testing, I found that the time window appears to be limited to themI time between a system reboot and the first incoming POP connection from aiI client as the POP server does not appear to timeout after been activated.o  H The reason why it's not an issue in 5.3 is that the process gets createdJ at system startup when the service is enabled, not when the first incoming connection occurs.  L I would be interested in knowing if anyone has managed to duplicate this andK if older versions (ie: UCX 4.2) are vulnerable. BTW, if anyone does do someNK testing make sure that you have the process/system logicals setup correctly H to make sure that MIME messages are delivered correctly or just use test	 messages.-   Simon.  L PS: As I mentioned in my original message, I discussed this with Hoff beforeH posting it in COV, and only posted after current versions were found not to be vulnerable.0   -- .B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       & "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2002 02:01:34 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Re: VS3100 help, please.:- Message-ID: <87ptsy4xa9.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:   > Paul Repacholi wrote:n  eF > > Bill, they are a standard switch, I have seen them at RS and otherC > > parts places. Hamiton Havenot would be a good US start I guess.    D > Sometimes, it's the challenge. :-) Why replace the switch when you > can modify the hardware?  A Because we both know that Murphy waits for the solder to solidifyf# before changing the requirements :)y   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:00:26 -0500n2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: VS3100 help, please. . Message-ID: <3DDCE6FA.8E98E0E2@mindspring.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:u  D > Bill, they are a standard switch, I have seen them at RS and otherA > parts places. Hamiton Havenot would be a good US start I guess.m  " Sometimes, it's the challenge. :-) Why replace the switch when youS can modify the hardware?   Atlant   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:16:32 +0000 (UTC)d* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)* Subject: Re: What is DAP status code 5067?/ Message-ID: <ark0hg$1b$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>a  _ In article <fgLz9.4$H%1.23576@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com> writes:t >Lawrence Bleau wrote: > G >> Where would one find documentation on DAP error codes, anyway?  Just  >> curious.5 >:H >They were listed in "DECnet SNA Data Transfer Facility for OpenVMS Use"  >(just a list - no explanation).  D Do you have a URL for this document?  I searched the online docs and couldn't find anything similar.o   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.eduS   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:22:21 -0000-* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>I Subject: Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at Montagar? 5 Message-ID: <arjmp6$hpoc4$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>2  J "Jamie Stallwood" <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> wrote in: message news:chqptuo6cqumdnndo8i06860muv4frgf0j@4ax.com...H > On 13 Nov 2002 09:26:42 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > wrote: >rK > >In article <r8t4tug3a900d271ibr2470ntt3lpbkt2k@4ax.com>, Jamie Stallwoodt7 <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> writes:u1 > >> The site hasn't been updated for months now?n > > ) > >There is no VAX V7.3-1 release of VMS.o >DH > So how do I actually GET a new oV hobbyist distribution for my VAX? Is > VMS now defunct?  6 There never was a VAX V7.2-1 or other variants either.% Vax versions, historical and current:0; V5.5-2, V5.5-2H4, V6.0, V6.1, V6.2, V7.0, V7.1, V7.2, V7.3.a8 Thats it. there have been NO 'dash' variants since V5.5.  ? Alpha, more 'dash' variants than you really want to know about.R   Summary:$ The current version for VAX is V7.3.' The current version for Alpha is V7.3-1n  D I have NOT yet looked at the Montagar kits to see what is available.    I     John Travell, ex-Dec,Cpq,HP, freshly redundant and peed off about it.A     ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.422 / Virus Database: 237 - Release Date: 20/11/2002h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:35:29 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>eI Subject: Re: What's going on with the 7.3.1 VAX hobbyist kit at Montagar? ' Message-ID: <3DDD89E1.D00BE8BD@fsi.net>a   Jamie Stallwood wrote: > H > On 13 Nov 2002 09:26:42 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > wrote: >  > >In article <r8t4tug3a900d271ibr2470ntt3lpbkt2k@4ax.com>, Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> writes:G1 > >> The site hasn't been updated for months now?B > >N) > >There is no VAX V7.3-1 release of VMS.h > H > So how do I actually GET a new oV hobbyist distribution for my VAX? Is > VMS now defunct?  E Well, again - VMS is VMS, there is no "hobbyist version". So, any oldo V7.3 distro for VAX will do.   -- p David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/y   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:16:22 -0500-5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>c3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system? 2 Message-ID: <HDDdPU3D8ucCPiPu=Ms02GuZH3vE@4ax.com>  5 True, but the original poster said V7.2-1H1, which isz an Alpha only release.   David R. Beatty:  3 On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:30:16 -0500, "Brian Tillman"l, <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote:  8 >>Also, to check for patches you already have installed, >>the command is:y >>  >>PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT VMS /FULL >cK >Not on a VAX, since patches are more often than not VMSINSTAL kits and noto >PCSI kits.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:16:22 -0500a5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>m3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system?o2 Message-ID: <TDDdPbmqPZMlw8n4AZbe3uqvVoYV@4ax.com>  ; True, but the original poster was asking specifically aboutP	 V7.2-1H1.n   David R. Beattyf  D On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:28:05 -0500, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:  1 >On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:20:00 -0500, David Beattys* ><David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote: >  >>8 >>Also, to check for patches you already have installed, >>the command is:e >>  >>PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT VMS /FULL >OM >...for patches installed in PCSI format. For older versions of VMS and otherpN >non-PCSI patch kits, you can check for a release notes file in SYS$HELP, e.g. >e# >$ dir sys$help:vax*.rel*,vms*.rel*t >a >Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP] >e >VAXC032.RELEASE_NOTES;1Q >                          82/90        6-JUN-2000 13:21:21.30  (RWED,RWED,RWED,)i" >VAXDWMOTMUP01_073.RELEASE_NOTES;2Q >                          16/18       16-MAR-2001 15:22:13.97  (RWED,RWED,RWED,)a >VAXMAIL01_073.RELEASE_NOTES;1Q >                          13/18       16-MAR-2001 14:03:30.17  (RWED,RWED,RWED,)u >VAXSHAD01_073.RELEASE_NOTES;1Q >                          13/18       16-MAR-2001 14:03:09.27  (RWED,RWED,RWED,)a >g" >Total of 4 files, 124/144 blocks. >m1 >You may also see old "junk" from prior versions.pJ >-------------------------------------------------------------------------J >David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comJ >Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)J >-------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:03:46 -0800e* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>? Subject: Re: Would HP ever do something like this for VMS? Nah!a2 Message-ID: <wg-dneSHit_uH0CgXTWcoQ@mpowercom.net>  / "Koloth" <koloth@telocity.com> wrote in messagea% news:3DDC94FD.6010706@telocity.com...iA > they have a subconsious uncontrollable non-thinking urge to usehB > OpenVMS.  (Hopefully, the pheromones will be powerful enought toG > conteract their uncontrollable non-thinking urge for Microsoft)  Theyn& > have to have it.  They must have it. >VF I think this was first done in an episode of The Avengers around 1968.     Jack Peacock   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.645 ************************ur...m  L > A lot of feature length movies use double-layered disks.  Depending on theH > disk and the player, there is sometimes a small "pause" when the layer@ > switch happens.  If you watch a lot of movies on DVD