1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 27 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 655       Contents:2 ANN: JUMP upgraded in HG/Process freeware archives Re: Carly on Newsnight Re: Carly on Newsnight Re: Carly on Newsnight" Re: Changing vms passwords via web" Re: Changing vms passwords via web" Re: Changing vms passwords via web" Re: Changing vms passwords via web" Re: Changing vms passwords via web Chip Upgrade in a DS10 Re: Chip Upgrade in a DS10, Re: Configure XPDF helper in Netscape 3.03??, Re: Configure XPDF helper in Netscape 3.03??/ Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 RE: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper " Re: DCPS V2.2 field test available" Re: DCPS V2.2 field test available1 Does the CMU-IP 066 stack run on openVMS VAX 7.3? P Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before youwrite it you Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....  Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....  Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....  Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....  Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80.... 8 Re: Gigabit Ethernet DEGPA-TA as second network problems8 Re: Gigabit Ethernet DEGPA-TA as second network problemsP Re: How to discover what is waiting a process WAS:Re: SMTP non working after upgP Re: How to discover what is waiting a process WAS:Re: SMTP non working after upg Re: hung process hung process Re: hung process) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org & It's Official! Sun Listens. Hello, HP? Just another Slowaris CERT ..." Re: Just another Slowaris CERT ..." Re: Just another Slowaris CERT ... Re: Monitoring NIC utilization8 Re: Need of help for an OpenVMS - newbie with a problem.8 Re: Need of help for an OpenVMS - newbie with a problem.) Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6 7 NY LUG meeting - Disaster Tolerant Technologies from HP  Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping) Re: POP Server and/or TCP strange problem @ Re: Problem with HSZ50 (access to the CLI from the console port) Re: Recursive Deletion Re: Recursive Deletion Re: Recursive Deletion Recursive Deletion Re: Recursive Deletion Re: Recursive Deletion Re: Recursive Deletion# Re: Removing phantom TCPIP services # Re: Removing phantom TCPIP services # Re[2]: Weak $DELPRC and mighty AMDS # Re: SMTP non working after upgrade. # Re: SMTP non working after upgrade. # Re: SMTP non working after upgrade. # Re: SMTP non working after upgrade. 0 SOLVED: Configure XPDF helper in Netscape 3.03??  Re: Suggestions for Removing LAT  Re: Suggestions for Removing LAT' Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project ' Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project ' Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project ' Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project ' Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project ' Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project ' Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project ' Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project  Test Test Re: TIFF processing on VMS?  Re: TIFF processing on VMS?  Re: TIFF processing on VMS?  Re: TIFF processing on VMS?  Re: TIFF processing on VMS?  Re: TIFF processing on VMS?  Re: TIFF processing on VMS?  totally OT: terminal emulators" Re: totally OT: terminal emulators> U.S. Public School Educatuion (was:Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:11:52 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) ; Subject: ANN: JUMP upgraded in HG/Process freeware archives 0 Message-ID: <3de3d493.60914570@news.process.com>  J Jonathan Ridler's JUMP V4.2 is now available for download from my freewareG archives.  JUMP allows users to login exactly as another user without a F password.  It has many restrictions for security purposes, and is thus6 better suited for secure environments than HGLOGIN is.  " Thanks to Jonathan for the update!   http://www.process.com/openvms/   4 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/jump.zip9 http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/jump.zip 0 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/jump.zip  2 And on the usual mirrors within the next 24 hours.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 8 goathunter@goatley.com    http://www.goatley.com/hunter/< New Robert R. McCammon site: http://www.RobertRMcCammon.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:44:08 -0500 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Carly on Newsnight . Message-ID: <3DE388B8.3E7CCA6E@mindspring.com>   Simon Clubley wrote:  J > Something caught my attention however: Why is [Carly] so focused on onlyH > promoting cost savings when discussing how the merger is going instead< > of also talking about technology integration/development ? > M > Combined with other interviews that I've seen/read, it seems as if the only J > thing that matters is cost cutting, cutting, cutting. That just feels soH > short term. What happened to the part of the CEO's job that focuses on7 > developing the products/technologies for the future ?   2 You understand that most of HP's actual technology2 left with Agilent, right? The company now known as2 HP is basically a volume manufacturer of commodity5 products: PCs and printers, with a few sidelines into / higher-end computing (which they appear anxious 
 to jettison).   1 It's almost a self-parody that HP got to keep the ( "Invent" slogan in the Agilent spin-off.   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:15:26 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>  Subject: Re: Carly on Newsnight = Message-ID: <ieME9.372303$S8.7468357@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   J The biggest incentive in merging two large companies like Compaq and HP isK almost always focused primarily on cost savings through economies of scale, L eliminating redundancies and reducing competitive pressures.  Of course theyJ hope that consolidating technologies and building off each others strengthJ will help build market share as well, but those things would theoreticallyG happen regardless of the merger.  It is the cost savings that drive the G mergers.  That is why she is hammering on that aspect.  And you have to G admit, the stock is rebounding rather nicely.  A few more years at this  pace, and I may break even.   I But I have to wonder how much new revenue they could take away from M$oft 3 if they were to really push their new found jewels.   G "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in 5 message news:PR$gPlbU9Jlm@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > Carly was on Newsnight (a UK news analysis programme) last night.  > B > Here's an online (Real Player) URL in case anyone is interested: >  > L http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/38512000/rm/_38512639_fiorina22_mason_vi.r am > - > Nothing unique, just the usual bland stuff.  > F > Something caught my attention however: Why is she so focused on onlyH > promoting cost savings when discussing how the merger is going instead< > of also talking about technology integration/development ? > H > Combined with other interviews that I've seen/read, it seems as if the onlyJ > thing that matters is cost cutting, cutting, cutting. That just feels soH > short term. What happened to the part of the CEO's job that focuses on7 > developing the products/technologies for the future ?  >  > Simon. >  > --= > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP ( > "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant." >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:05:46 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Carly on Newsnight / Message-ID: <3DE3C608.E4CC8E69@vl.videotron.ca>    "John N." wrote: > L > The biggest incentive in merging two large companies like Compaq and HP isM > almost always focused primarily on cost savings through economies of scale, ? > eliminating redundancies and reducing competitive pressures.    M I think that in the case of HP, it was clearly a case of reducing competitive E pressures. EG: remove the weak Compaq from the market and capture the S customers they have left. Getting Tandem was just a "vanity" item that looks great.   J I don't believe for a minute that anyone really believes those promises ofL "cost savings thorugh economies of scale". Once all the downsizing, layoffs,I product elimination, sales channels streamlining are all done, the new HP ' won't be as big as the old HP + Compaq.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:23:23 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> + Subject: Re: Changing vms passwords via web " Message-ID: <3de3ca4e@news.si.com>  2 >As of VMS V7.3-1 that is provided on Alpha.  See: > B >http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/731FINAL/4527/4527pro_003.html  ) I sure wish this were available on a VAX.  --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 10:07:46 -0800, From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive)+ Subject: Re: Changing vms passwords via web = Message-ID: <b10654c6.0211261007.6239f06e@posting.google.com>   U Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message news:<3DE00B65.8040602@rdrop.com>...  > Mark E. Levy wrote: & > > My gut feel is that it won't work. > I > Part of a utility script we use to do a number of things for users who  % > log in via a Windows GUI interface:  > 
 > $ PASSWORD: " > $ SF = "sys$scratch:chg_pwd.com" > $ OPEN t 'SF' /WRITE > $ WRITE t "$ SET NOON"E > $ WRITE t "$ SET MESSAGE /NOFACILITY /NOIDENTIFICATION /NOSEVERITY"  > $ WRITE t "$ SET PASSWORD" > $ WRITE t "''P2'"  > $ WRITE t "''P3'"  > $ WRITE t "''P3'" : > $ WRITE t "$ IF $STATUS THEN WRITE sys$output ""PWDOK"""G > $ WRITE t "$ DELETE /NOLOG /NOCONFIRM 'F$ENVIRONMENT(""PROCEDURE"")'"  > $ WRITE t "$ EXIT" > $ CLOSE t 	 > $ @'SF' = > $ IF F$SEARCH(SF) .NES. "" THEN DELETE /NOLOG /NOLOG 'SF';*  > $   B A small aside, and my own opinion, but if it's important to you toC have code delete itself (for security purposes, to keep from prying C eyes), I would (1) make sure you SET PROT=(O:RD) on the file before F the DELETE command (someone can always set their default protection to@ less than [D]elete, and the file won't delete and will be layingE around for prying eyes), and (2) make sure that it IS the real DELETE B command that runs ("DELETE" can just be redefined).  I usually do:   $ real*ly = " " % $ this = f$environment( "PROCEDURE" ) % $ really set protection=(O:RD)  'this % $ really delete/nolog/noconfirm 'this   E Still not foolproof, but those two extra lines will cause one to have D to work quite a bit harder to get what you obviously don't want them to have.   Chris  -----  chris at technologEase dot com   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 13:52:51 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: Changing vms passwords via web 3 Message-ID: <dr+38bFKSw0b@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <3de3ca4e@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:3 >>As of VMS V7.3-1 that is provided on Alpha.  See:  >>C >>http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/731FINAL/4527/4527pro_003.html  > + > I sure wish this were available on a VAX.   C As I may have said earlier in this thread, the Security Development E Manager for VMS said at the VMS Symposium that he was surprised there E were no requests for the newer security features on upcoming versions A of VAX VMS.  And there were three tables of VAX fans at lunch one ) day (30 out of 159 attending is not bad).    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:57:46 GMT 3 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.removespam.ie> + Subject: Re: Changing vms passwords via web / Message-ID: <_RME9.14015$cP3.25988@news.iol.ie>   3 "John Parker" <jwparker@sfasu.edu> wrote in message 7 news:229a787c.0211220940.53b218f9@posting.google.com... B > We are trying to come up with a way to allow vms users to changeB > their password via a web page.  (It seems to be getting just too@ > hard for people to understand how to use a telnet program). We@ > would like to be able to use the normal checks provided by vms9 > such that we can use the history list, dictionary, etc.   # ftp://picard.eurokom.ie/setpass.zip   H It is essential that any program that validates a password supplied by aL user (particularly from a remote network connection) call $SCAN_INTRUSION toI check for multiple password guesses.  The above program does this, and it L results in similar evasion to that used by LOGINOUT including entry into the intrusion database.      --H ------------------------------------------------------------------------I Tom Wade    | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie (all domain mailers). G EuroKom     | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a=eirmail400;c=ie & 30, Dale Rd | Tel:   +353 (1) 278-7878& Stillorgan  | Fax:   +353 (1) 278-78793 Co Dublin   | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimer @ Ireland     | Tip:         "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 10:12:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: Changing vms passwords via web 3 Message-ID: <O$pavMvldfKA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <_RME9.14015$cP3.25988@news.iol.ie>, "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.removespam.ie> writes:  > 5 > "John Parker" <jwparker@sfasu.edu> wrote in message 9 > news:229a787c.0211220940.53b218f9@posting.google.com... C >> We are trying to come up with a way to allow vms users to change C >> their password via a web page.  (It seems to be getting just too A >> hard for people to understand how to use a telnet program). We A >> would like to be able to use the normal checks provided by vms : >> such that we can use the history list, dictionary, etc. > % > ftp://picard.eurokom.ie/setpass.zip  > J > It is essential that any program that validates a password supplied by aN > user (particularly from a remote network connection) call $SCAN_INTRUSION toK > check for multiple password guesses.  The above program does this, and it N > results in similar evasion to that used by LOGINOUT including entry into the > intrusion database.   C Calling SYS$ACM does so as well, but also provides a guarantee that D additional such checks in the future will also be provided when they are added to LOGINOUT.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:07:02 +0000 (UTC) - From: "Colin Scott" <c.scott1@btinternet.com>  Subject: Chip Upgrade in a DS10 / Message-ID: <as0npm$48v$1@venus.btinternet.com>    Hi All,   H I have upgraded a chip in a DS10 from the original 466Mhz (damaged) to aK 600Mhz Chip. Does anyone know how to change the "configuration" of the DS10 H which still  reports itself as being a "Alphaserver DS10 466 Mhz Console V6.3-1, Aug 14 2002 07:42:34"?  > My second question would be: Does this make any difference????  K My Third Question: Will something "bite" me now that I have done this :-) ?    Any help appreciated.    Thanks  
 Colin P Scott    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:30:57 -0800  From: Frd <nospam@euro.com># Subject: Re: Chip Upgrade in a DS10 $ Message-ID: <3DE3E811.1376@euro.com>   Colin Scott wrote: > 	 > Hi All,  > J > I have upgraded a chip in a DS10 from the original 466Mhz (damaged) to aM > 600Mhz Chip. Does anyone know how to change the "configuration" of the DS10 J > which still  reports itself as being a "Alphaserver DS10 466 Mhz Console  > V6.3-1, Aug 14 2002 07:42:34"? > @ > My second question would be: Does this make any difference???? > M > My Third Question: Will something "bite" me now that I have done this :-) ?  >  > Any help appreciated.  >  > Thanks >  > Colin P Scott    Look at Appendix A  ; http://h18006.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/ds10cr-d.pdf    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:49:52 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> 5 Subject: Re: Configure XPDF helper in Netscape 3.03?? $ Message-ID: <3de3d082$1@news.si.com>  H >I have installed and configured XPDF on my system (OVMS 7.3).  It works fineH >as a stand-alone app.  I have tried to make it work as a "Helper" under& >Netscape 3.03 and can't get it to go.  & In Netscape, add the following helper:  % Description: Portable Document Format  Type: application/pdf  Suffix: pdf + Handle By: Application: mcr yourdir:xpdf %s    That works for me. --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 15:16:30 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) 5 Subject: Re: Configure XPDF helper in Netscape 3.03?? + Message-ID: <trjBp1Ta9QlL@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   e In article <j8JE9.102477$up.1109172@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:   ; > I had it working with NETSCAPE V3 with %s without quotes. 8 > I didn't manage to get it working with MOZILLA so far.J > That reminds me, that I had to do some more testing in this area soon... >   G Mozilla calls helpers with the program-file-name as the first argument: 6 Make a jacket .com file which simply does "xpdf 'p2'".  5 Mozilla passes the temporary file as "/tmp/file.typ", G it depends on the xpdf version and the DECC* logicals eventually, if it K understands the unix path-syntax , or You have to convert it to VMS syntax:   # $ f = "SYS$SCRATCH:" + p2 - "/tmp/" 1 $ open/write log sys$scratch:xpdf_for_mozilla.log " $ write log "P1 = ",p1," P2 = ",p2 $ write log "File to open:",f  $ close log 
 $ xpdf 'f' $ exit  A If it does not work, look in the debug file xpdf_for_mozilla.log.     --  N Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:11:27 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: jloup@gailly.OmitThisWord.net (Jean-loup Gailly)8 Subject: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper* Message-ID: <as0v2v$9m9$1@home.gailly.net>  H I have written a patch for John the Ripper http://www.openwall.com/john/K to allow cracking OpenVMS (Vax and Alpha) passwords.  The patch is based on = code from Shawn Clifford, Davide Casale and Mario Ambrogetti.   F The sources are in http://jl.gailly.net/security/john-VMS-patch.tar.gzC A README file is at http://gailly.net/security/john-VMS-readme.html 7 or in ascii at http://jl.gailly.net/security/README.VMS   J This patch has been tested on x86 only and does not work yet on big endianK systems. It uses asm code for speed but a portable C version is included as J well. The asm version checks about 150,000 passwords per second on a 1 GHzI system. Password cracking is much easier on OpenVMS than on other systems C since passwords are not case sensitive and limited to alphanumeric,  '$' and '_' only.    Jean-loup Gailly http://gailly.net/security/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:11:40 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>< Subject: RE: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper0 Message-ID: <01C29566.88276080@sulfer.icius.com>  C If this is a password guesser, which your wording suggests it is, I F doubt it will be particularly effective against a properly secured VMSC system. Successive failed guesses would incur longer delays between B retries, and after a few failures it'd lock off the account. IIRC,B that's default settings out of the box, but I haven't done a freshE install in a while so I'd welcome corrections from those with fresher  (or better) memories.    Shane    -----Original Message-----# From: jloup@gailly.OmitThisWord.net & [mailto:jloup@gailly.OmitThisWord.net]( Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:11 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 Subject: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper    H I have written a patch for John the Ripper http://www.openwall.com/john/H to allow cracking OpenVMS (Vax and Alpha) passwords.  The patch is based on= code from Shawn Clifford, Davide Casale and Mario Ambrogetti.   F The sources are in http://jl.gailly.net/security/john-VMS-patch.tar.gzC A README file is at http://gailly.net/security/john-VMS-readme.html 7 or in ascii at http://jl.gailly.net/security/README.VMS   C This patch has been tested on x86 only and does not work yet on big  endianH systems. It uses asm code for speed but a portable C version is included asF well. The asm version checks about 150,000 passwords per second on a 1 GHz A system. Password cracking is much easier on OpenVMS than on other  systems C since passwords are not case sensitive and limited to alphanumeric,  '$' and '_' only.    Jean-loup Gailly http://gailly.net/security/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:29:04 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>< Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper/ Message-ID: <3DE41FD7.29E21E84@vl.videotron.ca>    Shane Smith wrote:H > doubt it will be particularly effective against a properly secured VMS
 > system.   I If the program has access to the sysuaf.dat FILE, then it can try all the M passwords it wants without arousing any suspicion by the VMS operating system K (expecially if it makes  a copy of the file for its own use). Note that the K poster said that the program was a wintel one, so one would expect it would  have its own local SYSUAF.DAT.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:04:23 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> + Subject: Re: DCPS V2.2 field test available $ Message-ID: <3de3c5da$1@news.si.com>  4 >Did the DCPS setup make them autostart, or did you?  H The latter.  We simply use a command procedure containing a DEFINE_QUEUE  subroutine that looks like this:     $DEFINE_QUEUE: SUBROUTINE  $!: $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE/NOLOG DCPS$'P1'_DEVICE_NAME 'P2'; $ IF F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_QUEUE","QUEUE_PRINTER",P1) THEN EXIT  $!5 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Initializing Printer Queue ''P1'"  $!J $ INIT/QUE/BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DCPS$DEFAULT)/NOENABLE_GENERIC -B    /LIBRARY=DCPS$DEVCTL /OWNER=[SYSTEM]/PROCESSOR=DCPS$SMB/START -F    /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:RS) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)/SEPARATE=(FLAG) ->    /AUTOSTART_ON=(NODE1::DCPS$,NODE2::DCPS$,NODE3::DCPS$) 'P1' $ EXIT $! $ ENDSUBROUTINE   $ Some typical calls to this would be:  " $ CALL DEFINE_QUEUE 1A_HPLJ4000N_1* """ip_rawtcp/1a_hplj4000n_1.si.com:9100"""! $ CALL DEFINE_QUEUE 1A1_HPLJ5MP_1 ) """ip_rawtcp/1a1_hplj5mp_1.si.com:9100""" ! $ CALL DEFINE_QUEUE 1A3_HPLJ4PL_1 ) """ip_rawtcp/1a3_hplj4pl_1.si.com:9100"""  --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 21:59 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) + Subject: Re: DCPS V2.2 field test available - Message-ID: <26NOV200221593361@gerg.tamu.edu>   d In article <3de3c5da$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes...5 }>Did the DCPS setup make them autostart, or did you?  } I }The latter.  We simply use a command procedure containing a DEFINE_QUEUE ! }subroutine that looks like this:  }-- B }Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com  & Then it wasn't in DCPS before, was it.   Thus it is a new thing in DCPS.   , Therefore they announce it as a new feature.   Duh.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:44:45 +0000 E From: Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> : Subject: Does the CMU-IP 066 stack run on openVMS VAX 7.3?8 Message-ID: <qkj7uu8afkr7him64gq922ls2gak3gv5lh@4ax.com>  0 [Followup set to vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek]   Hi!   ? Does the CMU-IP 066 stack run on openVMS VAX 7.3? I know it has B trouble linking on v7, due to a version-specific TZDRIVER, but I'mF going round that by rebuilding the savesets. But am I wasting my time?; Is there a v7-compatible version of CMUIP that I've missed?    Regards  Jamie Stallwood    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:24:35 GMT & From: Curtis Rempel <curtis@telus.net>Y Subject: Re: Exam 010-627 (HSx80 Solutions for OpenVMS): read this before youwrite it you 9 Message-ID: <D1WE9.4274$fk5.324302@news0.telusplanet.net>    Curtis Rempel wrote: > G J wrote: > 	 >> Chris,  >>H >> I took this exam last month, and brought up the same points (20 of 61G >> questions were windows based, 1 vms question, and one unix question  
 >> with noL >> mark/review abilities).  I discussed it with some of my coworkers, and weL >> thought that maybe the exam writer was a person that was from Compaq thatH >> had only a windows/Netware background, and this was their first exam 
 >> writingH >> experience (probably someone right out of college) that wasn't aware 	 >> of the J >> other test standards, or the operating system that had it's name in theC >> title of the exam test.  I sent a note to the email address you  
 >> mentioned, ; >> as well as put the same comments at the end of the test.  >>	 >> -Garth  >> >> >  > Garth, > K > Sounds the same - the exam I wrote had 61 questions and according to the    > breakdown on the result sheet: > / > Section 8. SANworks Secure Path - 9 questions M > Section 9. Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 Host Configuration - 8 questions : > Section 10. NetWare 5.x Host Configuration - 2 questions > K > for a total of 19 non-VMS questions since VMS has built-in "Secure Path"  K > capabilities.  I don't recall answering any VMS related questions at all.  > E > I'll update when I hear something back, but I think the wheels are  E > probably going pretty slow on this... I have a feeling the biggest  C > hurdle to overcome will be in them understanding that there is a  ) > difference betweeen VMS and Windows :-(  > J > Fortunately though, Mark Gorham is aware of the matter and he has asked = > another individual to look into this matter.   Thanks Mark!  >  > Curtis >     I For anybody who is interested in this thread, I received word today that  F the exam has been pulled and the certification folks are aware of it. F They will be providing vouchers to anybody who has received the wrong E exam (I would assume this means everybody who wrote 010-627 as there  G does not appear to be a correct version of this exam to my knowledge).    No ETA yet for the correct exam.  4 If you have inquiries, they have suggested email to A certification.americas@hp.com (or if that address still bounces,  9 NorthAmericaCAP@hp.com should still work, it did for me).   G The response I received was from an individual with the title "OpenVMS  C System Management and Mature Products"  I hope these two areas are  F mutually exclusive.  If not, I would assume that "mature" in terms of C OpenVMS would mean "stable and well behaved" as opposed to certain  E "operating systems" from a company in Redmond that are "childish and   behaving badly"  ;-)   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Nov 2002 16:03:08 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) ( Subject: Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....! Message-ID: <RwkRxm$zftEq@rabbit>   * According to the information located here:  > http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_move.html  # Galaxy is indeed moving to Itanium.   w In article <8a646952.0211251257.2a936488@posting.google.com>, jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) writes: | > "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<F86DB227673F0C2B.B3DFA56007275969.82A6D33CED452EDA@lp.airnews.net>...O >> It's my understanding that an ES4x is limited to two Galaxy instances... one H >> per PCI bus..... any idea how many instances one can run on the ES80?0 >> Hopefully the restriction is now more like 4? >  > Hal, > > > This is just a reminder, Galaxy will not be supported on the > VMS-Itanium configuration. > 
 > Daryl Jones  --   Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"  "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 12:59:13 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) ( Subject: Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....= Message-ID: <8a646952.0211261259.67241cf4@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<lGgyvZwUNIfU@eisner.encompasserve.org>...y > In article <8a646952.0211251257.2a936488@posting.google.com>, jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) writes: ~ > > "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<F86DB227673F0C2B.B3DFA56007275969.82A6D33CED452EDA@lp.airnews.net>...Q > >> It's my understanding that an ES4x is limited to two Galaxy instances... one J > >> per PCI bus..... any idea how many instances one can run on the ES80?2 > >> Hopefully the restriction is now more like 4? > >  > > Hal, > > @ > > This is just a reminder, Galaxy will not be supported on the > > VMS-Itanium configuration. > >  > H > 	Where do you get your information from?  Do you make it up as you go ? > 	along?  Part of an NDA presentation in Nashua recently?  The B > 	reason I ask, is slide 30 of the latest roadmaps clearly shows	I > 	the Galaxy Configuration Manager being on Itanium and Alpha (H1 2004).  > D > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm > 	 > 				Rob  > < > And the wind shall say:  "Here were decent godless people:@ >                           Their only monument the asphalt road< >                           And a thousand lost golf balls."/ >                                 -- T.S. Eliot   	 Dear Sir:    Compaq.    Daryl Jones    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 13:03:00 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) ( Subject: Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....= Message-ID: <8a646952.0211261302.3380558e@posting.google.com>   \ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C2948A.B0419180@sulfer.icius.com>...H > WHAT!!!! We'll /need/ Galaxy sized systems just to keep up if we're on	 > Itanic!  >  > Shane  >  > -----Original Message-----+ > From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net . > [mailto:jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net]* > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:58 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * > Subject: Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80.... >  > 0 > "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in messageJ > news:<F86DB227673F0C2B.B3DFA56007275969.82A6D33CED452EDA@lp.airnews.net> > ..P > > It's my understanding that an ES4x is limited to two Galaxy instances... oneI > > per PCI bus..... any idea how many instances one can run on the ES80? 1 > > Hopefully the restriction is now more like 4?  >  > Hal, > > > This is just a reminder, Galaxy will not be supported on the > VMS-Itanium configuration. > 
 > Daryl Jones    Shane Smith:  R I believe the Galaxy software will not be ported to the VMS/IA-64. Source: Compaq.   Daryl Jones    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 14:11:43 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ( Subject: Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....3 Message-ID: <hKh3wwnhVeTl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <8a646952.0211261302.3380558e@posting.google.com>, jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) writes: ^ > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C2948A.B0419180@sulfer.icius.com>...I >> WHAT!!!! We'll /need/ Galaxy sized systems just to keep up if we're on 
 >> Itanic! >>   >> Shane >>   >> -----Original Message----- , >> From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net/ >> [mailto:jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net]e+ >> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:58 PM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ >> Subject: Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....  >> w >> t1 >> "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in messagesK >> news:<F86DB227673F0C2B.B3DFA56007275969.82A6D33CED452EDA@lp.airnews.net>w >> .. Q >> > It's my understanding that an ES4x is limited to two Galaxy instances... one J >> > per PCI bus..... any idea how many instances one can run on the ES80?2 >> > Hopefully the restriction is now more like 4? >> i >> Hal,S >> w? >> This is just a reminder, Galaxy will not be supported on theo >> VMS-Itanium configuration.e >> p >> Daryl Jones >  > Shane Smith: > E > I believe the Galaxy software will not be ported to the VMS/IA-64. e > Source: Compaq.u >    	That's interesting.  > 	Can you provide a source for your information or is that part 	of an NDA session?y   				Robs   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 06:56:18 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e( Subject: Re: Galaxy and ES47 vs ES80....3 Message-ID: <8r2jvufIBS$X@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-tC3svHs7EMNT@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes: C > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:36:50 UTC, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob c > Young) wrote:n > f >> In article <3DE2A0B2.29202300@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:B >> > Hm, from the PPT file, it isn't clear if it's the GCM client,2 >> > the GCM server or both that will run on IA64. >> > oA >> > It *could* be that you can use a IA64 GCM *client* to manage 6 >> > an Alpha GCM *server* on a Alpha Galaxy server... >> > f >>  6 >> 	Could be.  But that certainly wouldn't make sense. >> 	Besides: >>  [ >> http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/OpenVMS_clusters_to_Itanium_WP.pdfT >> b1 >> 	OpenVMS Clusters move to Itanium Architecture  >> rK >> Subsequent production releases Larger configurations. Support for Galaxy M >> configurations. Support for FDDI and ATM for cluster (SCS) communications. J >> Possibility of support for VAX systems, based on customer requirements. >> eE >> 	Now maybe you would care to read "client" into that.  I doubt it.  >> i3 >> 	Things that won't be coming to Itanium include:p >>  R >> OpenVMS Cluster software supports three proprietary interconnects that will notF >> be ported: DSSI (DIGITAL Systems Storage Interconnect), CI (Cluster% >> Interconnect), and Memory Channel.e >> u$ >> 	I don't see Galaxy in that list. > F > Maybe Rob but the above just infers where VMS Clustering is/will be H > supported. I don't read it as being a statement about Galaxy features  > being included on VMS/IPF. P    ? 	I wouldn't know how you couldn't read it that way.  After all,g 	the title of the document is:  Q http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/download/openvms_clusters_to_IPF.pdft 		/ 		OpenVMS Clusters move to Itanium Architecturep   	On page 3:u  $ 		Support for Galaxy configurations.  C 	Slated for a "subsequent production release" (past H104).  Now youtE 	could argue "that's just the GCM client."  Again, that wouldn't makec 	a lot of sense.  ( > That's why VAXen get a mention. Funny < > though, I thought clustering already worked on VMS/Vax :-)  @ 	VAX is mentioned quite a bit on page 2.  Along the lines of "ifA 	you really need (or more likely, care to state a business case)  A 	VAX-Itanium mixed-architecture cluster support, drop us a line."o   				RobV   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:50:22 +0000p% From: Alan Fay <alan.fay@veritas.com>lA Subject: Re: Gigabit Ethernet DEGPA-TA as second network problemsE4 Message-ID: <as0qb1$eqg$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk>  8 > > From sendspamhere@127.0.0.1 Tue Nov 26 10:20:01 2002, > > From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsuE > > Subject: Re: Gigabit Ethernet DEGPA-TA as second network problemsi) > > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:20:01 +0000r > >. > >  > > Antony Wardle wrote: > > # > > does the gigabit card step downr
 > > to 100MB?s > >  > > I can't remember what mine# > > are set to, but they do connect  > > to a gigabit switch. > H > Yes it correctly steps to 100 Mb, even the light shows correctly. Just > no traffic passes. > I > There are a raft of patches from 7.1-1H1 and even one for 7.3 affectingr > this card. > J > However I'm 7.3-1, anyone successfully using this card with this version	 > of VMS?: > > > Compare this display (few minutes ago) with the one I posted > yesterday... > 8 > $ TCPIP SHOW INTER/FULL (extract and addresses hidden) >  > .../ > Interface: WE0F >    IP_Addr: n.n.n.n      NETWRK: 255.255.254.0     BRDCST: n.n.n.255G >                        Ethernet_Addr: AA-00-hh-hh-hh-hh    MTU:  1500-& >      Flags: UP BRDCST RUN MCAST SMPX7 >                                   RECEIVE        SEND.7 >    Packets                            390           187 >      Errors                             0           0 + >    Collisions:                          0  >  > $o > I > No more sends, but claims to have received. I'll speak to HP support...i >  > --  A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  > nclews at csc dot comv >      In answer to your question:    > J > However I'm 7.3-1, anyone successfully using this card with this version	 > of VMS?h >   R In our Lab the DEGPA-TA NIC is used on two V7.3-1 833MHz DS20E (single processor) K Alpha's and in tests we get a backup throughput of about 40 MBytes/sec to aa SunFire Media Server.   J This is a very fast NIC -- the network almost disappears as a bottleneck. - We are using a NETGEAR GS508T Gigabit Switch.h  K I must say that the 833MHz DS20E Alpha is a very well built machine, when ItI installed the NIC I was very impressed with the layout and quality of theoI hardware (much better than Sun), it is also the fasted Alpha I have ever   had the pleasure to work with.   Alan Fay VERITAS Software Corporation   Roseville Engineeringe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:20:01 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>A Subject: Re: Gigabit Ethernet DEGPA-TA as second network problemsn) Message-ID: <3DE34AD1.865A724F@127.0.0.1>    Antony Wardle wrote: > ! > does the gigabit card step downf > to 100MB?  >  > I can't remember what mine! > are set to, but they do connecte > to a gigabit switch.  F Yes it correctly steps to 100 Mb, even the light shows correctly. Just no traffic passes.  G There are a raft of patches from 7.1-1H1 and even one for 7.3 affectingg
 this card.  H However I'm 7.3-1, anyone successfully using this card with this version of VMS?r  < Compare this display (few minutes ago) with the one I posted yesterday...  6 $ TCPIP SHOW INTER/FULL (extract and addresses hidden)   ...p Interface: WE0D    IP_Addr: n.n.n.n      NETWRK: 255.255.254.0     BRDCST: n.n.n.255E                        Ethernet_Addr: AA-00-hh-hh-hh-hh    MTU:  1500.$      Flags: UP BRDCST RUN MCAST SMPX5                                   RECEIVE        SENDi5    Packets                            390           1 5      Errors                             0           02)    Collisions:                          0    $e  G No more sends, but claims to have received. I'll speak to HP support...:   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesh nclews at csc dot comi   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 13:14:11 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)/Y Subject: Re: How to discover what is waiting a process WAS:Re: SMTP non working after upgt= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0211261314.73959580@posting.google.com>C  R rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espam wrote in message news:<arvuvv$ceh$1@tejo.csic.es>...H > I have runned de DECamds over the process and all the quotas seems ok. > J > and is in a wait state of the type control and the event log say that isC > waiting for a lock, how can I discover why is waiting that lock??<  > The easiest way is probably to use the DECamds Lock ContentionF detection facility.  It can display the process(es) waiting for a lockF and the process holding the conflicting lock.  If appropriate, you canA "fix" the problem by forcing an image exit of the process that is 5 "hung" holding the lock, or even delete that process.d   $ANALYZE/SYSTEMr SDA> SHOW PROCESS/LOCKSt0 can show you what locks a process is waiting on.  E SDA> SHOW RESOURCE/CONTENTION is another method of displaying data inn@ cases of lock contention, and is available in VMS version 7.2 or later.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 15:33:59 -0800# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)cY Subject: Re: How to discover what is waiting a process WAS:Re: SMTP non working after upgt= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0211261533.7a65ffa9@posting.google.com>'  R rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espam wrote in message news:<arvuvv$ceh$1@tejo.csic.es>...O > In article <artsm6$btn$1@tejo.csic.es>, rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espam writes:we > >In article <3DE26184.F69E8ADD@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:V( > >>rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espam wrote:M > >>> The problem happen with all the arriving message, the system is able towS > >>> deliber the message (it arrive to the user mailbox) but the user is no notifyiS > >>> of the arriving message but if he enter in the mail utility the mail is there.T > >>> as a new mail, But the process in the queue keep in the process state, but notU > >>> using using any recourse, seems to be waiting for some call to return and blockt > >>> the queue. > >>Q > >>"But the process is in the queue"... which queue are you talking about ? Whatg6 > >>commands do you enter to obtain that information ? > >> > >  > >I do  > >b > >sh queue/all *smtp*, > >Generic server queue TCPIP$SMTP_LANGRA_00 > >rM > >Server queue TCPIP$SMTP_LANGRA_01, busy, on LANGRA::, mounted form DEFAULTw > > 7 > >  Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status 7 > >  -----  -------         --------     ------  ------w% > >      2  02112519304566_TCPIP$SMTPa; > >                         TCPIP$SMTP        6  Processing  > >P
 > <Skiped...>E >  >  > H > I have runned de DECamds over the process and all the quotas seems ok. > J > and is in a wait state of the type control and the event log say that isC > waiting for a lock, how can I discover why is waiting that lock??s  ? to find out what smtp is doing have a look at the logical namesR. TCPIP$SMTP_LOG_LEVEL and TCPIP$SMTP_SYMB_TRACE Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:41:25 GMTG! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzd Subject: Re: hung processs% Message-ID: <3de40613.998712242@news>i  F The only utility I know of I obtained from Compaq. The image ident is:(         Image Identification Information  E                 image name: "CSCPAT_0245_USE_WITH_CAUTION_MTDISMOUNT" <                 image file identification: "CSC/CS MTDMT V2"7                 link date/time: 27-OCT-1993 07:06:28.58t.                 linker identification: "05-13"  ,  This will clear the owner process ID field.  C Note, there's plenty of warnings but it's done the job successfullye  for me on a number of occasions.   Rob.  / On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:11:14 -0500, Chuck Aarone  <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> wrote:  8 >When I look at my dlt tape device it shows a process id> >7654 that has the device tied up. Is there a way to find this9 >process and delete it. That process id is not showing upN >under show system/full. >  >Thanks, >Chuck > I >Magtape MAJOR$MKB600:, device type COMPAQ DLT8000, is online, allocated,DM >     deallocate on dismount, mounted foreign, volume is marked for dismount,,J >     record-oriented device, file-oriented device, available to cluster,  >errorE >     logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction 0
 >enabled), >     device supports fastskip.u >w? >     Error count                   20    Operations completed i
 >     9727K >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                 [STAFF]h3 >     Owner process ID        00007654    Dev Prot r >S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W> >     Reference count                2    Default buffer size 
 >      512 >c> >     Volume label            "ONBK03"    Relative volume no. 
 >        0< >     Record size                    0    Transaction count 
 >        16 >     Mount status             Process    Mount count 
 >        0& >     ACP process name              ""1 >     Density                  default    Format d
 >Normal-11 >s6 >   Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, odd parity. >. >CHUCK>a >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:11:14 -0500v+ From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>t Subject: hung processo/ Message-ID: <3DE3B942.2050106@ceris.purdue.edu>o  7 When I look at my dlt tape device it shows a process ids= 7654 that has the device tied up. Is there a way to find this 8 process and delete it. That process id is not showing up under show system/full.a   Thanks,o Chuckl  H Magtape MAJOR$MKB600:, device type COMPAQ DLT8000, is online, allocated,L      deallocate on dismount, mounted foreign, volume is marked for dismount,I      record-oriented device, file-oriented device, available to cluster, r errortD      logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction 	 enabled),-      device supports fastskip.  >      Error count                   20    Operations completed 	      9727 J      Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                 [STAFF]2      Owner process ID        00007654    Dev Prot  S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WD=      Reference count                2    Default buffer size  	       512   =      Volume label            "ONBK03"    Relative volume no. -	         0a;      Record size                    0    Transaction count L	         1l5      Mount status             Process    Mount count s	         0p%      ACP process name              "" 0      Density                  default    Format 	 Normal-11.  5    Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, odd parity.k   CHUCK>   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 13:31:24 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton)h Subject: Re: hung processo! Message-ID: <DBfcz5SeR3xq@rabbit>e  	 Hi Chuck,s  M An easier way to look at a particular process, if you know its process id, istJ to type, "$show system/id=7654".  "$show system/full" yields many pages of" output (on my production systems).  < One way to delete the process is by typing, "$stop/id=7654".  ] In article <3DE3B942.2050106@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes:r9 > When I look at my dlt tape device it shows a process id_? > 7654 that has the device tied up. Is there a way to find thisr: > process and delete it. That process id is not showing up > under show system/full.n > 	 > Thanks,e > Chucks > J > Magtape MAJOR$MKB600:, device type COMPAQ DLT8000, is online, allocated,N >      deallocate on dismount, mounted foreign, volume is marked for dismount,K >      record-oriented device, file-oriented device, available to cluster, 0 > error0F >      logging is enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction  > enabled),   >      device supports fastskip. > @ >      Error count                   20    Operations completed  >      9727 L >      Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                 [STAFF]4 >      Owner process ID        00007654    Dev Prot  > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,Ws? >      Reference count                2    Default buffer size s >       512n > ? >      Volume label            "ONBK03"    Relative volume no. l >         0b= >      Record size                    0    Transaction count d >         1 7 >      Mount status             Process    Mount count e >         0 ' >      ACP process name              ""e2 >      Density                  default    Format  > Normal-11E > 7 >    Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, odd parity.  >  > CHUCK> >  -- p Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"b "Lose the MAPS"e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:29:12 -0500u* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org2 Message-ID: <HfKdnVDTqvFrsHmgXTWc2Q@metrocast.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3DE2E130.DC640550@fsi.net.... > John Vottero wrote:d   ...-  L > > Certainly there are many oppressed people in the world but we won't help* > > them by withholding job opportunities. >nJ > Must we sacrifice our own workforce so they can have one? ...or is there+ > an equitable way for the two to co-exist?   F What we're seeing is the emergence of exactly that equitable way:  theI problem is that U.S. workers find it less comfortable than their previoustG coddled existence where they didn't have to compete on equal terms witheJ people elsewhere who were willing to do the same job for considerably less money.  J (This of course ignores the question of whether the quality of the work isI in fact equal, but that's not at all the same issue:  companies that savesI money by sacrificing quality will likely get what they deserve - and this " will vary situation by situation.)   > ' > > Instead of trying to erect barriersR* > > that prevent jobs from leaving the US, >'' > Whole-heartedly disagree. Dead wrong.-  D Disagree all you want:  it's happening, for very simple and powerfulF economic reasons, and there's no reason to expect it to stop until the) playing fields are a lot closer to equal..   >." > > we should be trying to enforce! > > standards for workers rights,l >s@ > What about our own people? Is not our loyalty first to our own
 > countrymen?h  I Clearly it's not:  if it were, Americans would refuse to purchase foreign.5 products that cost less and demand domestic products.    >i > > environmental controls >aD > What about here at home? Why not provide opportunities for our own3 > people, our own parents, siblings, progeny, ... ?o  G Why not indeed?  Incompetent corporate leadership lacking any technicalfE vision is a prime reason why the kinds of jobs that *can't* easily bexK exported aren't being created to replace those jobs that are leaving:  whenHF new products and even entire industries are born, for at least a whileB they're much easier to grow locally because of the difficulties ofJ arm's-length management and coordination - it's the more mature industriesL that have the time to sit back and figure out how to optimize costs (becauseL they are no longer expending all their efforts developing their technology).   >u > > and human rights.  >0J > Maybe we need a world-wide government to whom all rulers must answer for > their crimes ... ?  H Sounds like a good goal to me, though a major challenge to make work.  IJ certainly have a great deal more respect for the attitudes of many WesternH governments than I have for our those of our own (though I wouldn't haveF said that a few years ago), and since such attitudes seem to be on theJ ascendent world wide such a higher authority could be a major improvement.   >a > > WeI > > shouldn't erect trade barriers to ensure that an American high school. dropH > > out doesn't lose their job, we should do it to ensure that a foreign childtI > > is able to finish high school without being forced into a sweat shop.n > 4 > ...and that leaves U.S. workers exactly ... where?  B Competing with the rest of the world, for the first time since theL Industrial Revolution really took hold here (and in many cases for the first time ever).d   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:54:23 -0600y1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>2/ Subject: It's Official! Sun Listens. Hello, HP?m' Message-ID: <3DE433DF.773831E3@fsi.net>n  @ Well, I guess it's official: in the race to engage the "industry3 standard" market, Sun has committed it's resources:i  N http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/11/26/021126hnsolaris.xml?1126tuam   Sorry if that wraps.  E In essence, it says Solaris-9 and Sun's ONE products will run on IA32eC long before a viable, quantity-shippable IA64 makes its appearance.t  G This tells the world (not in so many words, of course) that Sun is morea- responsive to its customers than HP/Q or VMS.t  H Guess I better get back in touch with that cat that wanted me to teach a4 Solaris Admin. class at a local community college...   -- i David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 09:40:41 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)' Subject: Just another Slowaris CERT ...d= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0211260940.5d163e82@posting.google.com>t  1 CERT counts continue to pile up except on VMS ...i    0 Experts warn of buffer overflow flaw in Solaris    By Joris Evers j November 26, 2002 6:28 am PT     E  A VULNERABILITY IN Solaris puts systems running the Sun MicrosystemsdD operating system at risk of being taken over by an attacker, experts warned late Monday.   D A buffer overflow flaw lies in Sun's implementation of the X WindowsB Font Service (XFS), which serves font files to clients and runs byE default on all versions of Solaris, according to advisories issued byrC Internet Security Systems (ISS) and the Computer Emergency Response # Team/Coordination Center (CERT/CC).e  F By formulating a specific XFS query, remote attackers can either crashD the service or run arbitrary code with the privileges of the "nobodyD user." This privilege level is limited and similar to a normal user.= However, after gaining access an attacker could use privilegeoD escalation flaws to attain root status, the highest privilege level,	 ISS said.   ? The XFS service (fs.auto) uses a high TCP (Transmission Control D Protocol) port, which mitigates the risk as such ports are typicallyD blocked by firewalls, preventing an attack from the public Internet,F Gunter Ollmann, manager of X-Force Security Assessment Services at ISS in London said.x  ? "Normally this service would not be available over the Internet-@ because it would be protected by a firewall, but internally this( service is commonly available," he said.  E The vulnerable service exposed on a corporate network makes an attackcD from the inside possible, but can also facilitate an attacker on theA outside, Ollmann noted. Should a host that is accessible from the C Internet get compromised, an attacker could cascade his attacks andBE gain access to a Solaris machine by exploiting the XFS vulnerability,' he said.  E Sun told ISS and the CERT/CC that it is working on a software update.PC Meanwhile, ISS advises users to disable XFS unless it is explicitly4+ required and investigate firewall settings.C   The ISS X-Force advisory is at:[G http://bvlive01.iss.net/issEn/delivery/xforce/alertdetail.jsp?oid=21541H   The CERT/CC advisory is at:-. http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-34.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:33:24 -0000s* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>+ Subject: Re: Just another Slowaris CERT ..."5 Message-ID: <as10bu$mqd2t$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>1  / "rob kas" <rob@netcarrier.net> wrote in message_- news:3de3e172$0$1416$8e9e3842@news.atx.net...1 >"7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagea9 > news:d7791aa1.0211260940.5d163e82@posting.google.com... 5 > > CERT counts continue to pile up except on VMS ...  > >d > >eG >               Could be because the VMS Machine counts are diminishingt >i9 >                                                     Robm >y >   I Maybe, but more likely that there are fewer bugs left in VMS than in mostr other OS's.a     ---s& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.422 / Virus Database: 237 - Release Date: 20/11/2002@   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:02:47 -0500 $ From: "rob kas" <rob@netcarrier.net>+ Subject: Re: Just another Slowaris CERT ...N3 Message-ID: <3de3e172$0$1416$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>B  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0211260940.5d163e82@posting.google.com...i3 > CERT counts continue to pile up except on VMS ...  >a > E               Could be because the VMS Machine counts are diminishinga  7                                                     Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:43:41 +01000, From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>' Subject: Re: Monitoring NIC utilizationo, Message-ID: <ra10sa.ub1.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   Colin Butcher wrote: > C > LANCP SHOW DEV EWA0 [or whatever you have] /COUNTERS works nicelyk > [repeat as desired]s  H I'm using this sometimes. There is an entry "Seconds since last zeroed",G but I couldn't find a LANCP ZERO COUNTER command or similar in the helpt and/or docs.  ' Is there a way to zero these counters ?-   Albrecht Schlosser   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:42:43 -0500e; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>rA Subject: Re: Need of help for an OpenVMS - newbie with a problem.2$ Message-ID: <3de3ced5$1@news.si.com>  D >I am interested in moving this to the web using a java based telnetA >solution or find some telnet package (less $$$ - currently usingi >WRQ reflections )  J Certainly TeraTerm (http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html) would be cheaper (i.e., free). --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coms= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:48:50 GMTe+ From: Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net>hA Subject: Re: Need of help for an OpenVMS - newbie with a problem. D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.40.0211260846070.5084-100000@bolt.sonic.net>  I Great suggestion Brad.  I did look at that first. However (don't you loveNE that word when you want to get something done!) this system has callswG to a home-grown screen system ( at least that's what they tell me ) andC@ yes - you guessed it - nobody seems to know where the source is.  H Fun fun.   If I get the source - I would like to go the way you mention,E but for now I just want to get it up and running in a timely fashion.h   Thanks.n  ; #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql)lI print @c=map chr $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8,iC -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);     ' On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Brad Hughes wrote:G   > Joseph Norris wrote: > > Here is the problem. > > J > > I have a legacy cobol system on OpenVMS that produces text based entryF > > screens. Currently the users are using an expensive telnet package= > > to telnet into the box and run these cobol entry screens.a >oH > "text based entry screens"?  Does it use SMG$ routines, or simple textH > prompt and accept?  If text (or if SMG$ and you can hack the source toG > provide a different front end), write some perl to provide the forms,.G > and dynamically generate .com files to run the system with redirecteds > input. >l > brad >f >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:52:10 +0100p" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>2 Subject: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-65 Message-ID: <as0jdk$mlp0f$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>u  I My VAXstation collection was substantially enhanced with the arrival of auI VAXstation 4000 model 90A. It's not the fastest VAX (nor VAXstation) evereI built but it sure beats a 3100-M48 or a 4000-60. Not bad at all given then6 fact that the system hadn't been used for three years.I I felt that this system is probably fast enough to use the web. HP offers@A Netscape 2.02, which I downloaded and installed. None of the post K installation updates seem applicable for my system, which runs VAX/VMS 7.3,r( TCP/IP V5.3 and Motif 1.2-6. No patches. The problem:G Netscape starts, but as soon as I click a button (like Preferences) the  screen freezes. Any ideas?  
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:06:05 -0500s5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>w@ Subject: NY LUG meeting - Disaster Tolerant Technologies from HP* Message-ID: <as0k7l$i4v$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  " NY Metro Local Users Group meeting   > Thursday, December 12    > 5pm to 7pm    > Registration starts at 4:30pm.   > HP offices  1 > 2 Penn Plaza ( 7th Avenue at 31st St) 8th Floor    > wait at guard stationl   > call 212-856-2000 for entry.   >-  * > "Disaster Tolerant Technologies from HP"  G > including HP-UX, OpenVMS, Linux and Storage Keith Parris, Multivendor9 Systems Engineering	   >)  . > "Customer Case Studies on Disaster Recovery"  & > Exchanges and Financial Institutions   >-  ( > Save the Date. More details to follow.   >-  K > Send email to Lynne Hummel to register to attend. Light refreshments willl
 be served.   >S   >.   > Lynne Hummel   > Hewlett-Packard1  # > High Performance Sales Specialisto   > NY Metro Finance & Healthcarem   > Office 973-586-0807@   > Fax 973-586-0368   > Pager 800-842-2460   > Cell 201-826-75894   >s   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 13:57:25 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger FlippingF3 Message-ID: <Xtn+igsLw1aS@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  { In article <a1178f9b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes:e > N > But are Americans still taught that the first world war started in 1917, and > the second in 1942?h > 9 > (In case they are, the correct dates are 1914 and 1939)   G    No.  They are taught that those were the years America entered thosef'    wars and saved everybody else's ass.o   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 14:01:43 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping 3 Message-ID: <pYOru79pIWRX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3DE3C2B0.DDBD9486@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > re: educatione > P > Without being specific on any country's education problems, I often wonder if,P > with all of today's additional knowledge, high-school shouldn't be extended by$ > one year (or even primary school).  %    Nope.  I want my kid out of there.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 14:22:26 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger FlippingS3 Message-ID: <QUnYsHsOguX2@eisner.encompasserve.org>5  c In article <Xtn+igsLw1aS@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:f} > In article <a1178f9b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes:- >> iO >> But are Americans still taught that the first world war started in 1917, ando >> the second in 1942? >>  : >> (In case they are, the correct dates are 1914 and 1939) > I >    No.  They are taught that those were the years America entered those<) >    wars and saved everybody else's ass.<  B by helping them to achieve the goals of the war -- for World War I1 that being "the war to end all wars"...   Whoops!e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:04:25 -0800s$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com># Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping 0 Message-ID: <01C29565.8DD07680@sulfer.icius.com>  D What really bugs me is that some people over here seem to think thatH America single handedly won the war and nobody else did anything useful.   Shaned   -----Original Message-----: From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]) Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:22 PM_ To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping     3 In article <Xtn+igsLw1aS@eisner.encompasserve.org>,o/ koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:pL > In article <a1178f9b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams0 <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes: >> sK >> But are Americans still taught that the first world war started in 1917,e andt >> the second in 1942? >> o: >> (In case they are, the correct dates are 1914 and 1939) > I >    No.  They are taught that those were the years America entered thosee) >    wars and saved everybody else's ass.N  B by helping them to achieve the goals of the war -- for World War I1 that being "the war to end all wars"...   Whoops!a   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 21:56 CST3' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)p# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingu- Message-ID: <26NOV200221562526@gerg.tamu.edu>a  > }          Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote: }> VAXVMS wrote: }> e@ }> > To any who would posit that what passes for education today> }> > is anything more substantial than a rough outline drawingB }> > of what once was considered to be essential common knowledge,= }> > here is a link to an eighth grade final examination froml  }> > Salinas, Kansas dated 1895. }> >A }> > Most of *us* couldn't answer all of the questions correctly.u }> >< }> > http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/ottawa/exam.html }> s) }> Syllabi vary. My son has learned a lot ' }> more biochemistry/mollecular biology@) }> than I was ever taught in high school.:* }> On the other hand, his vocabulary isn't* }> as broad. Diff'ren strokes for diff'ren }> folks, I guess. }> 2+ }> Kids today know far more about computerse }> as well.e }>  - }> And turning to that Kansas exam, I suspecto, }> those Kansas kids really didn't know much+ }> about the calculus or solving systems ofc- }> simultaneous equations. Or nuclear energy.@, }> Or physics in general. Or evolution (and,( }> thanks to the Kansas government, they1 }> still don't!). Or any number of topics outside> }> that 1895 "core curriculum".   E That wasn't a high school final exam, it was an 8th grade final exam.lH Thus what kids learn, or don't learn, in high school today is irrelevant to the comparison.  E Somthing the 8th grader of today has in comon with the one from 1895:dI In neither case is it likely that the student learned anything about VMS.a   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:11:47 -0500o2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingo. Message-ID: <3DE38123.BC3A50C1@mindspring.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:e  e > In article <3DE289F9.E1EA34BC@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:c$ > >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >Sh > >> In article <3DE22992.7A447547@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:' > >> >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:> > >> >B > >> >> but the kids will be with me and their NJ public schooling? > >> >> educated minds are not ready for that much stimulation.i > >> >3 > >> >I'm always amused at the Right Wing hypocricym: > >> >that says that they can slip in gratuitous political8 > >> >slams whenever they wish, but woe unto any lefties5 > >> >who bring up politics in a technical newsgroup.8 > >> > > >> >But nice try, VAXMAN.w > >> > > >> >Atlant > >>L > >> Perhaps if you lived in the US and not fantasy land, you'd see that theL > >> educational system is in a state of disarray.  How "slamming" this poorH > >> excuse of an educational system is "Right Wing hypocricy" fails me. > >g0 > >You're either missing or deliberately dodging4 > >my point. The topic was (at least for the moment)4 > >non-political. But you saw an opportunity to slip6 > >your little political stilleto in and make a Right-/ > >Wing snide remark slamming public education.t > >u  > >So you took the opportunity.. > >i1 > >But would you have taken it as kindly if I hado/ > >slipped in a Left Wing point in an otherwise, > >non-political discussion? >mJ > I believe the discussion was, at Mr. Harrison's suggestion, about takingK > my family on a tour of the Tate Modern.  The discussion was non-politicaluK > as you have pointed out but it was also non-technical.  You've alluded to I > my introduction of the former into the latter which is simply not true.R  - Of course it's true. You slipped in a typicalo- Right Wing slam at American public education.0, *THAT* was a political point, and denying it  now just makes you look foolish.    K > If it makes you any happier, yes, the americun edyoucayshun cystum is thehJ > graytest in the hole world!  I'm certain that 3/5 of all americuns (that+ > would be 75% right?) wood agree with you.   1 Clearly a lot of Americans *ARE* poorly educated, 0 otherwise they would not have voted for a drunk,. cocaine-abusing, military-deserting, abortion-3 procuring, corrupt, war-mongering, ignorant asshole 6 for "President" in 2000; they would have realized that2 just because he'd make a fine drinking buddy (mind2 the pretzels, though, especially when he's half in0 the bag) doesn't mean he'd make a good leader of4 the free world or this formerly free, formerly great country.   Atlant   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 07:13:01 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)E# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping 3 Message-ID: <Kdeqc9N76Nrm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A1780D.E4B102D6@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: J > Perhaps if you lived in the US and not fantasy land, you'd see that the I > educational system is in a state of disarray.  How "slamming" this poorpE > excuse of an educational system is "Right Wing hypocricy" fails me.s  E    I hate to say it, but that's what you get for living in New Jerseyt    (from first hand knowledge).   E    My daughter has had two years of Algebra and a year of Geometry inoH    middle school, and we don't think much of her school compared to someB    of the others (all public).  My son is studying intro to modern:    physics in high school (they just finished relativity).  J > This is sad.  It's my opinion that with a nation and an economy that is L > becoming more and more dependent on high-technology, ignoring and neglect-K > ing prerequisites such as mathematics is injuring the nation and economy.s  E    Barbie syndrome (boy did I get in hot for that earlier this year).F   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:14:47 -0500-2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping@. Message-ID: <3DE381D7.906ED775@mindspring.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:g  G > >Be it left-wing, right-wing, US, UK or .au.  What I think that BrianeJ > >(subsequently) expressed a desire for was to get his kids educated at a+ > >similar level/pace to his own education.b >sI > That would be nice.  Mr. Harrison suggested we take in the Tate Modern. H > The education system in the UK may be one that exposes school childrenH > art/art appreciation but not so here in the US and, more specifically, > here in the state of NJ.  0 You're apparently not doing you job as a parent;4 instead, you're just leaving it all up to the state.  ( (BTW, *THAT* is what's mostly wrong with! education in America these days.)    Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:52:48 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger FlippingD0 Message-ID: <00A178BA.0C88DAD5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <3DE38123.BC3A50C1@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes: " >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >lf >> In article <3DE289F9.E1EA34BC@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:% >> >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:e >> >i >> >> In article <3DE22992.7A447547@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:e( >> >> >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> >> >PC >> >> >> but the kids will be with me and their NJ public schoolingi@ >> >> >> educated minds are not ready for that much stimulation. >> >> >24 >> >> >I'm always amused at the Right Wing hypocricy; >> >> >that says that they can slip in gratuitous politicali9 >> >> >slams whenever they wish, but woe unto any leftiesl6 >> >> >who bring up politics in a technical newsgroup. >> >> >c >> >> >But nice try, VAXMAN. >> >> > 
 >> >> >Atlanto >> >> M >> >> Perhaps if you lived in the US and not fantasy land, you'd see that theeM >> >> educational system is in a state of disarray.  How "slamming" this poorsI >> >> excuse of an educational system is "Right Wing hypocricy" fails me.r >> >1 >> >You're either missing or deliberately dodgingx5 >> >my point. The topic was (at least for the moment) 5 >> >non-political. But you saw an opportunity to slipO7 >> >your little political stilleto in and make a Right-i0 >> >Wing snide remark slamming public education. >> >! >> >So you took the opportunity..f >> >2 >> >But would you have taken it as kindly if I had0 >> >slipped in a Left Wing point in an otherwise >> >non-political discussion?m >>K >> I believe the discussion was, at Mr. Harrison's suggestion, about takingpL >> my family on a tour of the Tate Modern.  The discussion was non-politicalL >> as you have pointed out but it was also non-technical.  You've alluded toJ >> my introduction of the former into the latter which is simply not true. > . >Of course it's true. You slipped in a typical. >Right Wing slam at American public education.- >*THAT* was a political point, and denying it ! >now just makes you look foolish.r >: > L >> If it makes you any happier, yes, the americun edyoucayshun cystum is theK >> graytest in the hole world!  I'm certain that 3/5 of all americuns (thatn, >> would be 75% right?) wood agree with you. >n2 >Clearly a lot of Americans *ARE* poorly educated,1 >otherwise they would not have voted for a drunk,h/ >cocaine-abusing, military-deserting, abortion-e4 >procuring, corrupt, war-mongering, ignorant asshole7 >for "President" in 2000; they would have realized that 3 >just because he'd make a fine drinking buddy (mindW3 >the pretzels, though, especially when he's half ina1 >the bag) doesn't mean he'd make a good leader of 5 >the free world or this formerly free, formerly great 	 >country.e >u >Atlant$  K Slapping the education system is Right Wing?  You've littered the newsgroupnK with your left-wing, sour-grapes diatribe about the current political land-- scape time and time again.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" o   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 07:21:29 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t# Subject: RE: OT: Hamburger Flipping 3 Message-ID: <e2OHf4olNYzf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <01C2948C.B0EBC950@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:YH > I agree with VAXman on the education. When I came over to America fromJ > England, a bunch of other families came over with me. Every single childF > in the group found they were at least a year ahead of their peers atI > school, some quite a bit more so. They had to sit through things they'dIH > already covered until the American children caught up. Before you ask,7 > these were supposed to be very good American schools.S > C > I have no political axe to grind here, merely stating my personal A > observation. America's educational system does not impress me. t  H    There's no such thing as "America's educational system".  The schools6    are run by the states, cities, towns, and counties.  @    From first hand experience:  when I was living in Illinois weD    reguarded the Catholic schools as inferior to the public schools.F    When I moved to New Jersey I was suprized to discover the opposite.  B    I'm guessing the quality of the Catholic schools were much moreF    uniform across the states.  I know the quality of public schools is    not.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:01:38 GMTt" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping 0 Message-ID: <00A178BB.48AEB41E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <3DE381D7.906ED775@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:e" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >oH >> >Be it left-wing, right-wing, US, UK or .au.  What I think that BrianK >> >(subsequently) expressed a desire for was to get his kids educated at a , >> >similar level/pace to his own education. >>J >> That would be nice.  Mr. Harrison suggested we take in the Tate Modern.I >> The education system in the UK may be one that exposes school childrenvI >> art/art appreciation but not so here in the US and, more specifically,o >> here in the state of NJ.o > 1 >You're apparently not doing you job as a parent; 5 >instead, you're just leaving it all up to the state.t  @ That's total left of left wing liberal BULLSHIT and you know it!    ) >(BTW, *THAT* is what's mostly wrong with " >education in America these days.) >- >Atlant   L OK.  Enough.  What have I NOT done?  I spend time in the car, kitchen table,K and other moments of non-preoccupied time with my kids trying to teach themoK that which is lacking in their education.  You can't tell or change the wayhK the schools here are run.  The "core curriculum" doctrine of the state con-r  trols their every waking moment.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM0             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:07:43 -0500d2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingm. Message-ID: <3DE38E3F.DBED6444@mindspring.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   e > In article <3DE381D7.906ED775@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:U > 3 > >You're apparently not doing you job as a parent;07 > >instead, you're just leaving it all up to the state.e >uB > That's total left of left wing liberal BULLSHIT and you know it!  & Parental control and responsibility is, "total left of left wing liberal BULLSHIT" ?  , That's news to me. I think it will also come0 as news to millions of Christian Fundamentalists3 who lobby public school boards every day all across & our country with exactly that message.   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:09:22 -0500y2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingy. Message-ID: <3DE38EA2.AA4826A0@mindspring.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:-  M > Slapping the education system is Right Wing?  You've littered the newsgroup M > with your left-wing, sour-grapes diatribe about the current political land-h > scape time and time again.  , Ahh. But when you do it, it isn't littering?   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:42:30 -050052 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingm. Message-ID: <3DE39666.5A2572BC@mindspring.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:e  H > >I cannot understand what type of idiot could concieve of lowering the > >standardsH > >rather than addressing the real problem, bring all students up to the > >standard. >AI > Atlant ;)   (Hey, if he can get away with calling *ME* right winged...)r  # Well, at least you've admitted that  "Right Winged" = "Idiot".,  , I've heard that admitting you have a problem( is the first step towards getting cured.   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:50:03 GMTi From: lbohan@dbc..spamless..com # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping 8 Message-ID: <voc7uu0liaad92dv9rm0683dpu0uce6rgi@4ax.com>  B On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:11:55 -0800, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  G >I agree with VAXman on the education. When I came over to America from I >England, a bunch of other families came over with me. Every single child"E >in the group found they were at least a year ahead of their peers at H >school, some quite a bit more so. They had to sit through things they'dG >already covered until the American children caught up. Before you ask,m6 >these were supposed to be very good American schools.  7 I'm surprised noone had mentioned, so far, some of the nA implicit purposes behind public education in the States, namely,  / day care,  and keeping 16,17, and 18 year olds   out of the employment pool.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:25:33 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> # Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingm? Message-ID: <a1178f9b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>C  - In message <3DE38D57.B07751F0@mindspring.com>F=           Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:m   > VAXVMS wrote:m > ? > > To any who would posit that what passes for education today = > > is anything more substantial than a rough outline drawingrA > > of what once was considered to be essential common knowledge,n< > > here is a link to an eighth grade final examination from > > Salinas, Kansas dated 1895.y > >t@ > > Most of *us* couldn't answer all of the questions correctly. > >h; > > http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/ottawa/exam.htmll > ( > Syllabi vary. My son has learned a lot& > more biochemistry/mollecular biology( > than I was ever taught in high school.) > On the other hand, his vocabulary isn'tn) > as broad. Diff'ren strokes for diff'reng > folks, I guess.o > * > Kids today know far more about computers
 > as well. > , > And turning to that Kansas exam, I suspect+ > those Kansas kids really didn't know muchg* > about the calculus or solving systems of, > simultaneous equations. Or nuclear energy.+ > Or physics in general. Or evolution (and,j' > thanks to the Kansas government, theyr0 > still don't!). Or any number of topics outside > that 1895 "core curriculum". > * > There's also a bit more American History$ > now than when those exam questions, > were written. I understand we've even been* > to the moon, as well as having had a few$ > foreign adventures since 1895. :-)  L But are Americans still taught that the first world war started in 1917, and the second in 1942?n  7 (In case they are, the correct dates are 1914 and 1939).  - > Generally, kids live up to (or down to) thed/ > expectations set by the parents. If you don'th4 > like how your kids turned out, look in the mirror; > don't blame the schools. >  > Atlant >  >  >    --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:43:05 -0500x2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippinga. Message-ID: <3DE3C0B9.7EA20448@mindspring.com>   Alan Adams wrote:h  N > But are Americans still taught that the first world war started in 1917, and > the second in 1942?h >o9 > (In case they are, the correct dates are 1914 and 1939)g  3 Well, the question would be "started for whom", no?g  6 I suppose you'd demark WWII to September 3, 1939, when9 the British declared war, but we Yanks didn't do so untill December 8, 1941 .  9 And a true reading of "root causes" might place the startn8 of the war much earlier, for example, at the time of the: signing of the Treaty of Versailles, or the burning of the6 Reichstag, or any number of other points along the way& to Hitler marching troops into Poland.  5 The more interesting question, of course, may be whens6 did World War III start? December 12th, 2000, when the6 Fourth Reich came to power in a bloodless coup d'etat?4 September 11th, 2001, our "Reichstag fire"? November. 25th, 2002 when the Fatherland, excuse me, the. "Homeland" Security Act was signed? Or will we. demark WWWIII (Dubya's World War III) from the2 date when the first nuke is thrown? And will it be% an American, Israeli, Pakistani nuke?h   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:51:30 -0500l0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingi/ Message-ID: <3DE3C2B0.DDBD9486@vl.videotron.ca>,  
 re: education4  N Without being specific on any country's education problems, I often wonder if,N with all of today's additional knowledge, high-school shouldn't be extended by" one year (or even primary school).  J Typing skills are just as important as writing now. Learning to use a word processor too. Etc etc.c  F Right now, every hour of computer course kids get displaces an hour ofL something else. So the "something else" such as geography gets less and lessF good. At one point, won't they have to increase the number of hours ofL schooling a kid gets ? Either as longer hours every day, fewer vacations, or one additional year.  K The only other alternative is to start specializing kids at and earlier age K (choose between science vs arts) but that would come close to 1984ish world K where kids are steered into one particular life by their parents (or worse,i; the school system through exams that test kid's aptitudes).o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:06:54 GMT0" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippings0 Message-ID: <00A178DD.8BB7F99D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <3DE3C0B9.7EA20448@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:f
 >{...snip...}w6 >The more interesting question, of course, may be when7 >did World War III start? December 12th, 2000, when then7 >Fourth Reich came to power in a bloodless coup d'etat?e  J Do you listen to yourself?  You marked me a Right Winger because I made a H slant remark about the education system in NJ.  You're still playing theG stolen election mouthpiece from two years ago.  Look who is looking the  fool!  Sheesh!  I I ask you, since you seem to be aligned to the far left, if the educationtH system is *so* wonderful in the US, why were President Billy and HillaryI so gung ho pushing education reforms???  The Clinton's were Right Wingersr	 too?  ^^ a       @@     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" v   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 12:06:57 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o# Subject: Re: OT: Hamburger Flippingo3 Message-ID: <GRm$fT7l6aEi@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  { In article <a1178f9b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes:c/ > In message <3DE38D57.B07751F0@mindspring.com>x? >           Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:e >  >> VAXVMS wrote: >> t@ >> > To any who would posit that what passes for education today> >> > is anything more substantial than a rough outline drawingB >> > of what once was considered to be essential common knowledge,= >> > here is a link to an eighth grade final examination fromh  >> > Salinas, Kansas dated 1895. >> >A >> > Most of *us* couldn't answer all of the questions correctly.n >> >< >> > http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/ottawa/exam.html >> i) >> Syllabi vary. My son has learned a loti' >> more biochemistry/mollecular biologyl) >> than I was ever taught in high school.i* >> On the other hand, his vocabulary isn't* >> as broad. Diff'ren strokes for diff'ren >> folks, I guess. >> 0+ >> Kids today know far more about computerss >> as well.  >>  - >> And turning to that Kansas exam, I suspectd, >> those Kansas kids really didn't know much+ >> about the calculus or solving systems of2- >> simultaneous equations. Or nuclear energy.., >> Or physics in general. Or evolution (and,( >> thanks to the Kansas government, they1 >> still don't!). Or any number of topics outside> >> that 1895 "core curriculum".$ >> 6+ >> There's also a bit more American Historyk% >> now than when those exam questionsg- >> were written. I understand we've even been.+ >> to the moon, as well as having had a fewi% >> foreign adventures since 1895. :-)  > N > But are Americans still taught that the first world war started in 1917, and > the second in 1942?  > 9 > (In case they are, the correct dates are 1914 and 1939)a >   * 	"Still taught incorrect World War dates?"  D 	No.  In fact the timeline I helped put together (last night) for my> 	son's project on Germany has the correct dates.  The correct C 	dates are easy to find if you have the correct books.  The correct-B 	books of course sometimes aren't supplied by the liberal American= 	textbook publishers.  Not hard to find examples of incorrectrC 	dates or very important dates that have been subsumed by the likes B 	of the My Lai massacre (etc.).  Importance is relative too.  WhenH 	I was a kid, we celebrated Lincoln's birthday and Washington's birthdayE 	in public school.  That has since become "Presidents Day."  I'm sureSB 	that someday that will be abused and declared too narrow (or moreE 	killing:  "not diverse") and hence we will devolve to "Leader's Day",E 	where we honor all leaders in all professions... eventually focusingd6 	on professions that are deemed "politically correct."  ; 	Regarding this whole discussion.  My son went from 4 years E 	of private school to public school this year.  He is so bored.  They @ 	are doing stuff he was doing at the beginning of last year.  As@ 	a parent, we supplement our children's education.  You have to.C 	So as a taxpayer I shill for an education and then ALSO provide anyB 	education.  My wife talking with other parents, agree the teacher> 	is "lacking".   But with public education you OFTEN DON'T getH 	what you pay for.  That is the result of NO LEGIT COMPETITION.  ImagineA 	the perfect monopoly?  Shoot... even the power companies have tocB 	compete (somewhat) with each other now.  Trucking is deregulated,@ 	natural gas is deregulated.  It may take a while, but I am sure? 	the (one of?) last bastion of government sponsored monopolies mD 	(publick education) will be forced to compete someday but spreadingC 	the money around (i.e. I choose where MY SCHOOL taxes are spent oni 	education).  @ 	My role as a parent is to overcome and provide in light of the < 	conditions and to be supportive (even if the teacher shouldE 	be doing a better job or I personally view it as unfair or lacking)."   				Robi  pN "The whole vast structure of modern naturalism seems to depend not on positiveN  evidence but simply on an a priori metaphysical prejudice and is devised not 7  to get in facts but to keep out God."  -- C.S. Lewis  h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:28:30 -0500i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: POP Server and/or TCP strange problem/ Message-ID: <3DE3D966.C8156B3D@vl.videotron.ca>a   Additional information:n  N When I telnet to the VMS POP server (telnet/port=110), the packets , according' to TCPTRACE have the URG flag set to 0.   K When my application connects to the POP server, the "USER username<CR><LF>"o> packet is sent as a single packet, with the URG flag set to 1.  J the POP server, in debugging mode, shows the incoming connection, shows itG sends outthe +OK welcome message (which my application gets), but never6N receives the USER command, even though TCPTRACE running on the same node shows it is received.   > The only difference I can find in the packets is the URG flag.  K What is that flag, how does one turn it off when setting up the various QIOt; calls ? And why would an application not see such packets ?e  N Also, is there some document that describes the output of the TCPTRACE command (especially the /FULL).  ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:34:24 GMTx9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>iI Subject: Re: Problem with HSZ50 (access to the CLI from the console port)l? Message-ID: <9c688a9b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>.   Hi,   E OK, I'll try to remember as much as possible - I worked with an SW3002I (RaidArray 450) which uses the same controllers, but with a different bus& configuration.  3 I don't have access to the hardware or manuals now.d   Alan  < In message <2178d61f.0211260554.261ba26d@posting.google.com>+           nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote:I   > Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<18fa279b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>...@ > > In message <2178d61f.0211251513.75c9a889@posting.google.com>/ > >           nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote:f > >  > > > Hi VMS folks,I > > > , > > > I have inherited the folowing material > > > # > > > 2 as 800 5/400 in a rackmounth* > > > 2 HSZ50 controllers (dual redundant) > > > 5 sbb shelves with disks.: > > > 1 vt500 Terminal > > > F > > > after mounting the Material again, i got the following problems: > > > J > > > 1) after connecting the DEc connect cable to the serial port of the E > > > HSZ50 controller, and powering up the HSZ noting happens at theN2 > > > console terminal, i can't get into the CLI .8 > > > the LED status of the controller is the following: > > > " > > > GREEN LED : lit continuously( > > > AMBER LED's: the 2 leftmost are on8 > > > in the troubleshooting manual here is the meaning: > > >  > > > Description of error: 8 > > > Bugcheck before subsystem initialisation completed > > > corrective action: > > > reset the controller.  > > > ? > > > but when i restart the controller the status is the same.y > > O > > Does this happen on both of the HSZ50s - or can you connect the terminal toe% > > the other one and get to the CLI?  > >  > " > This happens on both controllers > / > > Can you boot one if the other is shut down?  >  > no  L I have an odd recollection that the terminal can prevent booting - I seem toG remember that the seria cable is non-standard. If I remember correctly,mL pressing BREAK can reboot the controller, as can power cycling the terminal.  J With this in mind, I would want to know whether booting without a trrminal6 connected works, or booting with a different terminal.  9 Somebody else posted the terminal settings, 9600 aud etc.X   > > O > > (Given the symptoms on the terminal, I'd want to try a different terminal -r/ > > could something have damaged both of them?)y > > 1 > > If one controller works and one doesn't, try   > > show other > > on the working one.n > > K > > If neither is working, and the diagnostic is correct, then something is1O > > preventing both of them from booting. The only common hardware, as far as IeL > > know, is the disgnostic unit (the one which operates the alarn light andH > > buzzer), and I didn't think that could be a single point of failure. > >  > ; > the diagnostic LED's indicate a bugcheck while controllerO > initialistation.7 > so the controller never completes the initialisation.o > B > is in this case normal that the access to the CLI is prevented ? >   = If the selftest is failing, then the CLI will never start up.e  3 During a normal boot quite a lot of test is output.l  D The hardware consists of two controllers, and a diagnostic unit. TheL terminals are connected to the controllers, not to the diagnostic unit. EachL controller has a cache, and a cache battery. I think there are variations inH how these work - there is a dual battery SSB, and single battery SSBs. II think there may be separate caches, while ours was within the controller.o  J I don't know whether the controller should boot with no battery connected,J but it seems worth trying. If the battery is causing the problem, at least that will show it.   > N > > It is likely, if the equipment has been out of service for some time, thatP > > the memory batteries are flat, and probably dead. Have you tried leaving the6 > > system powered up for 24 hours, then trying again. > >h > G > it is right that the system has been powered off since some time, but G > the vendor told me that he powered it on the day before i got it, andr
 > the devicesb > were all OK. >  aN > > If the batteries are not quiesced (button on the battery housing) when theP > > systen is shut down, then they go flat after about 100 hours. Not long after' > > that, they are permanently damaged.6 > >  > D > the only thing is that i don't know if he shut down the controller > by doing this: >  > HSZ1>shutdown this > HSZ1>shutdown otheri > 3 > wait untill all ports are quisced,and LED status:- >  > GREEN : lit continuous. > AMBER: the 3 leftmost (ports1,2,3) are lit . >  > then power off.P > 8 > suppose the case he did'nt do that, what will happen ?  J In the worst case, cached updates will not be written to disk, so the disk; data may not be completely valid. That may not concern you.b  K If the batteries were not quiesced after the system was shut down, they arerJ probably damaged. That is done from a button on the battery unit, not from the controller CLI.i   > P > > It seems possible that badly damaged batteries could prevent the system fron8 > > starting up. Disconecting them might be worth a try. > >  > >  > B > the LED status of the ECB is OK, but sometimes one led goes off.= > in both cases the status LED of the controller is the same.W  J Is the ECB the correct name for the diagnostic unit I referred to earlier?  ( I don't think it monitors the batteries.  I When all power is removed from the system, the LED on each battery shouldnG flash briefly at about a 2 second rate. If it doesn't the batteries arec either flat or damaged.p   > P > > > when i power on the system, the disks (on the shelves) attached to the HSZ0 > > > does not appear when i do >>> show device  > > 7 > > If the HSX50s are not booting, I would expect this.r > > > L > > > Have anybody had experiences with this kind of problem, what i can do   > > > to get access to the CLI ? > > >  > > > 2) Terminal (VT520)* > > > Q > > > By powering up the terminal (selftest OK) i can not clear the screen, thereaM > > > is a permanent pattern of signs that prevents output afer 3 lines and 7 = > > > columns,after that the status of the terminal is : waituU > > > nothing happens,the session in not accessible, neither by the F3 nor any other   > > > buttons. > > >  f' > > > what is wrong with the terminal ?f > > > 6 > > > Help is greetly appreciated , thanks in advance. > > >  > > > Nazim Manser > B > i have disconnected the ECB cache and tried again, with the same	 > result.s  I The caches are connected to the controllers. I don't think the diagnosticn unit (ECB?) has a cache.   > ? > i have put off and on the PCMCIA Programm card, following thee > instrauctionsdG > in the manual, i.e while pushing and holding down the reset button, ix > ejected, and put back again) > 1 > but the result is the same on both controllers.o > My question: > C > which HW piece is broken ? (the PCMCIA Card, or an other thing ?)oC > while init the controller what appears on the console terminal ind > normal case ?i  K Either there is a failure in a common piece of hardware, a failure due to ao> common cause (e.g. batteries flat) or a heck of a coincidence.  D I believe the system is designed to have no single point of failure.  J Common cause could include a faulty terminal connected to both controllers in turn, damaging both.p  > I don't believe in coincidence, unless there is good evidence.   >  > reguards,a >  > Nazim Manser  D Sorry I can't point to a definite cause. I suspect your system has aH different configuration to the one I used, for example, removable cache.  
 Good luck,   Alan     -- i
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:59:51 -0800e" From: Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com> Subject: Re: Recursive Deletiono( Message-ID: <3DE3EED7.7060707@tgsmc.com>   Keith A. Lewis wrote:i| > "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> writes in article <uu6if1ku99u6ac@corp.supernews.com> dated Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:47:40 +0530: [...]rN >>.......how do we recursily delete down a number of directories.....as we can
 >>do on unix.s [...]t > K > It's not a single command as it is in Unix.  You have a few alternatives.i  # And if you have VMS perl installed:g  3 $ perl "-MFile::Path" -e "rmtree 'dev:[dir]', 1, 0"m  Q will do it.  It builds a list in reverse alphabetical order, so it's pretty fast.p   brad   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 11:50:13 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: Recursive Deletiony= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0211261150.24d10180@posting.google.com>   Y "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<zVME9.18$v84.606394@news.cpqcorp.net>... 0 > "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> wrote in message+ > news:uu6if1ku99u6ac@corp.supernews.com...t, > > I guess  this query might have been put> >  > Hello  >  > Use DFU from the freewaree > dfu> help delete > /directory > /treet > ...t  C If you use DFU, be sure you first either set the protections on allt* the .DIR files to allow you to delete them  D $ SET FILE [topdir...]*.DIR /PROT=S=RWED ! if you have SYSPRV turned on orF $ SET FILE [topdir...]*.DIR /PROT=O=RWED ! if you are the owner of all the .DIR files  A where topdir is the top of the directory tree you wish to delete.a   -OR-   Turn on BYPASS.   F If you don't do one of the above, you may end up with a mess requiringF repeated applications of ANAL/DISK and deleting the recovered files in
 [SYSLOST].     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmano   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:55:33 -0500tA From: Richard Hammersley <richard.hammersley%spam%@dartmouth.edu>f Subject: Re: Recursive Deletiont, Message-ID: <3DE3DFC5.8050904@dartmouth.edu>   Vivek Soni wrote:e  F >I guess  this query might have been put in this newsgroup a number of >times...but...still.. > L >......how do we recursily delete down a number of directories.....as we can >do on unix. >. >Thanks in Advance >Vivek >: >: >mG I use the code below is used to delete a directory tree.  It is really  G slow, but for the purpose I use it that does not matter.  Some symbols .G have to be set up ahead of this code fragment.  The names describe the dG symbol's contents.  It's the sort that is the key.  I use it to remove m an account's directory tree.  e/ $   if f$search("''default_dir_spec'") .nes. "" F $     then                    ! There is a default directory & delete  files in itr9 $     dir/nohead/notrail/col=1/out=dir_tree.'pid_string' a 'default_device''full_dir_spec't7 $     sort dir_tree.'pid_string'  dir_tree.'pid_string's5 $     open/read dir_tree_infile dir_tree.'pid_string'  $     read_dir_tree:? $     read/end=no_more_dir_tree dir_tree_infile dir_tree_inlinei; $     write sys$output "Deleting file ... ",dir_tree_inlinea+ $     delete/nolog/noconf 'dir_tree_inline'o $     goto read_dir_tree $     no_more_dir_tree:c $     close dir_tree_infilea1 $     delete/nolog/noconf dir_tree.'pid_string';*  $!$ $! Delete the default directory file $!A $     write sys$output "Deleting directory ... ",default_dir_spece% $     delete/log 'default_dir_spec';0m
 $   endif    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:47:40 +0530e# From: "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com>n Subject: Recursive Deletione/ Message-ID: <uu6if1ku99u6ac@corp.supernews.com>   E I guess  this query might have been put in this newsgroup a number ofe times...but...still..   K ......how do we recursily delete down a number of directories.....as we canu do on unix.M   Thanks in Advance  Vivek    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:53:15 GMTp9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>e Subject: Re: Recursive Deletion,? Message-ID: <caae659b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>o  . In message <uu6if1ku99u6ac@corp.supernews.com>.           "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> wrote:  G > I guess  this query might have been put in this newsgroup a number of- > times...but...still..e > M > ......how do we recursily delete down a number of directories.....as we canO
 > do on unix.i  H delete [...]*.*;* will delete everything down from the current directoryE EXCEPT the directories. You will get "not empty" messages for all thec directories.  B Delete [somewhere...]*.*;* will delete from [somewhere] downwards.  L Repeat the command and the empty directories will be deleted. Keep repeatingH until no errors. It's a bit stupid, but that's how it is. File searching= returns directories before their contents, hence the problem.   L Alternatively look for third party tools - there used to be sometjing on theJ Decus tapes, called I think Deltree. I wrote one, but don't have access to it at the moment.h  L { the ...] syntax means all directories below the starting point. [...] usesL the current directory as the starting point. [-] means up one level, like ..	 in Unix.}    Alan   >  > Thanks in Advancel > Vivekw >  >  >    -- s
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:01:35 GMTa From: "labadie" <g.g@127.0.0.1>> Subject: Re: Recursive Deletione2 Message-ID: <zVME9.18$v84.606394@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> wrote in message) news:uu6if1ku99u6ac@corp.supernews.com...s* > I guess  this query might have been put>   Hello    Use DFU from the freeware  dfu> help delete
 /directory /treep ...n   regardsO   grard   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:54:03 +0000 (UTC)p+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)p Subject: Re: Recursive Deletion + Message-ID: <as08vb$d6i$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>p  ] In article <arvu43$rid$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:s{ >"Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> writes in article <uu6if1ku99u6ac@corp.supernews.com> dated Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:47:40 +0530:pG >>I guess  this query might have been put in this newsgroup a number ofv >>times...but...still..d >>N >>.......how do we recursily delete down a number of directories.....as we can
 >>do on unix.e >nJ >I checked the FAQ on openvms.org and couldn't find the answer to this, so >I'll answer it here.i >iJ >It's not a single command as it is in Unix.  You have a few alternatives. > L >* From the CDE File Manager (x windows), you can select the folder icon andA >"put in trash".  I do not know how or when the trash is emptied.? >oC >* From CSWING (character cell utility), use the "d" command on thea >directory.i >t >* From the command line,r >d) >    $ set file [...]*.dir;* /prot=o=rwedg >    $ delete [...]*.*;* >rF >Since the delete command attempts to delete each .DIR file before theI >contents, it fails because a non-empty directory cannot be deleted.  TheWK >workaround is to use the uparrow and repeat the delete command until theren >are no errors.  >d    $ Or get the public domain DFU utility     DFU HELP DELETE / TREE  N        This qualifier is only used in combination with /DIRECTORY. Starting   N        with the specified directory all (sub)directory contents and all       N        (sub)directory files will be deleted.                                  N                                                                                 B DFU is available on the Freeware v5.0 CD which is available online ar  : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/dfu027a/      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS MIddlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:31:08 -0800@* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>, Subject: Re: Removing phantom TCPIP services+ Message-ID: <3de3da0c$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>    Thanks, Keith.   The phantoms are gone.   Cheers,v Alderg  9 "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote in messaged( news:arvsal$ree$1@newslocal.mitre.org...6 > Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> writes in articleE <3DE2E51B.1050708@spammotel.com> dated Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:06:10 GMT: J > >Using TCPIP$CONFIG to shut down the network, I get a message telling me to stopxI > >the processes associated with several BG devices, but when I do a SHOWa DEVICE > >BG*, they do not appear.  > L > The correct command is "show device bg"; the * will screw up your results. >nL > >Could someone please tell me how to clean out these DCE services from the pointI > >of view of TCP/IP Services? >a > I think it's >c
 >     $ tcpipo2 >     TCPIP> set noservice [your_unwanted_service] > 7 > There's also a help command inside the tcpip utility.n >h- > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orge@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:44:13 -08002* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>, Subject: Re: Removing phantom TCPIP services+ Message-ID: <3de3dd1d$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>R   Thanks, JF.e  F I wish I had the chance to try your suggestions before I hit the panicL button and removed TCP/IP altogether and reinstalled. That's the beauty of aE hobbyist system - nobody notices when you apply Windozed "solutions".)     Regards,   Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:00:42 +0400t4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>, Subject: Re[2]: Weak $DELPRC and mighty AMDS2 Message-ID: <56548138.20021127100042@ncc.volga.ru>  1 On 26.11.2002 Peter Flunger <p-i-b@gmx.at> wrote:t    8 > "Valentin Likoum" <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> wrote >>I >>   And while we are on the topic, another close but unrelated question:eI >> bulletproof X25-related processes. They can't be stopped by any means.LF >> $EXIT, $FORCEX, $DELPRC, all force the processes to loop somethere.H >> AMDS is out of luck too. Processes are in COM state, so many articles  M > If you are having problems when stopping processes that declared themselvesp< > as X.25 applications, you need to get a patch from Compaq.H > This problem has been in place with ( AXP ) versions 1.1B, 1.3 and 1.5H > ( I am not sure about 1.6, as i have'nt had the time to test it, yet )@ > The file you need is an updated X25$NWDRIVER.EXE, that has notJ > been shipped as a working copy  for any of the versions mentioned above,? > and that had never been included in any of the ECOs for X.25.-I > God only knows why Compaq sends this one out to customers reporting thehK > problem for three versions, but never has incorporated this fix in any ofs > the official kits. > Peters  B    This is exactly the words I hoped to hear. So now I can stop to> seek for programming and configuration errors and apply mental& resources somewhere else. HUGE thanks.   -- n
 Best regards,b#  Valentin                          s(  valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:03:03 GMTt/ From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>l, Subject: Re: SMTP non working after upgrade.7 Message-ID: <XWME9.5160$f6.116717@twister.maine.rr.com>r  6 I saw through google groups that you upgraded to V7.3.  L I've read that this SMTP queue hang issue can also be caused by the V7.3 SYS V5 ECO.-   Anyone from HP care to comment?0   -Jeff2  : "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote in message1 news:iqME9.5157$f6.117267@twister.maine.rr.com...3L > My newserver doesn't have the original posting, so I'm not sure if this is > the issue. >iH > Have you installed the VMS731_SYS_V0200 ECO?  I've installed it and amH > having SMTP hang issues similar to yours.  I'm contacted support and I* > understand the issue is being addressed. >i > -Jeffi   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 16:32:48 GMT# From: rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espama, Subject: Re: SMTP non working after upgrade.' Message-ID: <as07ng$cf3$1@tejo.csic.es>-  i In article <iqME9.5157$f6.117267@twister.maine.rr.com>, "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> writes:yK >My newserver doesn't have the original posting, so I'm not sure if this ise >the issue.l >oG >Have you installed the VMS731_SYS_V0200 ECO?  I've installed it and am G >having SMTP hang issues similar to yours.  I'm contacted support and Iy) >understand the issue is being addressed.o >, >-Jeff  , Could be something similar but I am at v7.3.G initially a was at tcpip 5.1eco4 since now I ahve upgrade to tcpip 5.3.- The problem are still there.   Thanks.M       >  >h1 ><rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espam> wrote in messageF" >news:artsm6$btn$1@tejo.csic.es...; >> In article <3DE26184.F69E8ADD@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei5* ><jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:( >> >rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espam wrote:M >> >> The problem happen with all the arriving message, the system is able tooL >> >> deliber the message (it arrive to the user mailbox) but the user is no >notifyfM >> >> of the arriving message but if he enter in the mail utility the mail isi >thereL >> >> as a new mail, But the process in the queue keep in the process state, >but notK >> >> using using any recourse, seems to be waiting for some call to returno
 >and block >> >> the queue. >> >L >> >"But the process is in the queue"... which queue are you talking about ? >What,6 >> >commands do you enter to obtain that information ? >> > >> >> I do- >> >> sh queue/all *smtp*, >> Generic server queue TCPIP$SMTP_LANGRA_00 >>M >> Server queue TCPIP$SMTP_LANGRA_01, busy, on LANGRA::, mounted form DEFAULT- >>7 >>   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Statusn7 >>   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------t% >>       2  02112519304566_TCPIP$SMTPo; >>                          TCPIP$SMTP        6  Processingt >>M >> Server queue TCPIP$SMTP_LANGRA_02, busy, on LANGRA::, mounted form DEFAULTg >>7 >>   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Statuse7 >>   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------ % >>       5  02112519402761_TCPIP$SMTPa; >>                          TCPIP$SMTP        6  Processingr >>M >> Server queue TCPIP$SMTP_LANGRA_05, busy, on LANGRA::, mounted form DEFAULTo >>7 >>   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Statust7 >>   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------e% >>       6  02112519404194_TCPIP$SMTPr; >>                          TCPIP$SMTP        6  Processingr >> >> >> If I runI >> >> TCPIP ANALYZE MAIL. >>! >> All that jobs became stopping.. >>: >> the queues must be stop/queue/reset so could be cleared >># >> the smtp stoped and the procces.  >>
 >> STOP/ID >>! >> So the files could be cleared.t >> >> >The way VMSmail works: >> >K >> >MAIL$SEND ADD_ADDRESS does a basic verification (and established DECNET  >linko >> >if adressee is remote) >> >L >> >then, when you call MAIL$SEND_MESSAGE, it actually delivers the contents >toyD >> >each of those adresses it called ADD_ADDRESS for, and after each >adressee, a) >> >success or failure routine is called.w >> >J >> >For a recipient that is on the same node and the SMTP server, it would >meanoF >> >that it would get stuck inside of MAIL$SEND_MESSAGE. I believe the
 >broadcast= >> >to terminal is done before the success routine is called.d >> >K >> >So MAIL$SEND_MESSAGE might be waiting for some resource or confirmations >before proceeding.t >> > >> >Questions: >> >I >> >if you try to deliver to "pastry::chef"@pastry.chocolate.com" does itd >behavesA >> >the same was as if you tried to : chef@pastry.chocolate.com ?- >> >J >> >(i.e. if VMS mail is done via DECNET, does it behave the same as if it >weren >> >done direct on same node) ?r >> > >>G >> The MAIL done via DECnet only, arrive cleanly and the mail is notify  >>M >> >Also, when the user logs on, or starts MAIL, is he given an updated counth >ofoM >> >messages ? If not, it might indicate a problem prior to MAIL$SEND_MESSAGE G >> >updating VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA. Have you tried ANA/RMS of the file ?e >>' >> When logon the new mails are notify.t >> >> >d >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:07:20 GMTi* From: Mark Boyes <Mark.Boyes@hp.comdespam>, Subject: Re: SMTP non working after upgrade.2 Message-ID: <cTNE9.23$b74.555189@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 VMS73_SYS-V0500 and VMS731_SYS-V0200 both cause thesen: problems.  The short-term solution is to remove the patch.   Jeff Goodwin wrote:e8 > I saw through google groups that you upgraded to V7.3. > N > I've read that this SMTP queue hang issue can also be caused by the V7.3 SYS	 > V5 ECO.  > ! > Anyone from HP care to comment?b >  >h >    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 17:46:35 GMT# From: rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espamb, Subject: Re: SMTP non working after upgrade.' Message-ID: <as0c1r$cf9$1@tejo.csic.es>e  i In article <XWME9.5160$f6.116717@twister.maine.rr.com>, "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> writes:37 >I saw through google groups that you upgraded to V7.3.> >uM >I've read that this SMTP queue hang issue can also be caused by the V7.3 SYS. >V5 ECO. >d  >Anyone from HP care to comment? >  >-Jeff  C That worked, I have remove the v7.3-sysv5 eco an the mail now work.i  ! Thanks to everybody for the help.    Ricardo      > ; >"Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote in messagem2 >news:iqME9.5157$f6.117267@twister.maine.rr.com...M >> My newserver doesn't have the original posting, so I'm not sure if this isa
 >> the issue.  >>I >> Have you installed the VMS731_SYS_V0200 ECO?  I've installed it and amoI >> having SMTP hang issues similar to yours.  I'm contacted support and Il+ >> understand the issue is being addressed.  >> >> -Jeff >o >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:20:20 -0800 + From: "Mike Scott" <mscott_NOSPAM@axys.com>e9 Subject: SOLVED: Configure XPDF helper in Netscape 3.03??h  Message-ID: <3de3cb0d$1@nubby2.>   Well,fI After much poking and prodding, it now works.  Unfortunately, I can't sayi* exactly which tweak got things going :-{(.  My working config is as follows:!  XPDF :== "$dka0:[UTILS]XPDF.EXE"d"  Helper settings in Netscape v3.03  Type: application/pdf  Suffix: pdf   Handle By: Application: xpdf %s  C No wrapper needed.  Many thanks to Steven Schweda.  His functioning@E Netscape/XPDF setup gave me the necessary hope to keep trying things!n Thanks for the hand, Steven!  
 Mike Scott   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:08:29 +0000o( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: Suggestions for Removing LATu) Message-ID: <3DE3805D.F5C846C8@127.0.0.1>i   tolkien wrote: > G > I have 2 Alpha Servers which are running LAT.  Our Datacom DepartmentkD > is currently Bridging it across the Network which is creating some > overhead.t > E > Both servers run OpenVMS 7.2-1.  We currently have about 25 devicese@ > which are utilizing the LAT which we would like to move to IP. > G > I would like to see any feedback from any of you that have ever moved D > devices from LAT to IP as far as pitfalls, gotcha's and success's.  E Two parts to my reply. I appreciate you are bridging LAT, however the F overhead is on the actual bridges, you'd still have the traffic, be it IP or LAT, no?  B Secondly, I can't really be specific, but I have seen a case whereF moving to IP based printing from LAT, LAT handles queuing and printingC problems much more elegantly than IP and caused a few headaches. IncG order to get the same robustness, there has been a significant printingp. and system overhead from the IP point of view.  & In summary, stick with LAT if you can.   -- :? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesn nclews at csc dot comg   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:10:43 -0500d0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Suggestions for Removing LATi/ Message-ID: <3DE3C730.81B1F896@vl.videotron.ca>    "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:H > host system.  On slower VAX hardware, the I/O overhead of a TCP telnetA > session when compared to an equivalent LAT terminal session waseI > astonishing, primarily because LAT buffered multiple I/Os into a singletD > I/O packet where as telnet handled each keystroke as a single I/O.  I For a terminal server, it was even more efficient because keystrokes fromoL multiple terminals were shipped in a single ethernet packet. So the overhead on the ethernet was far less.o  M Also, because LAT is missing a transport layer such as TCPIP, the packets areoM more compact, and more importantly, when it gets to the host, it goes throughrL one less layer of software. The disadvantage is that it is not routable.  InJ secure situations however, this may be seen as an advantage since you know# that LAT connections must be local.t  I However, if you use LAT from PCs directly, then you lose the advantage ofeJ grouping of keystrokes from multiple users that terminal servers could do.@ (since a PC is its own terminal server when doing LAt directly).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:09:32 -0500I; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> 0 Subject: Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project$ Message-ID: <3de3c70e$1@news.si.com>  = >When I looked at that site, I thought that many of the sitesr+ >with long uptime had very low CPU work (orf* >whatever it sax called). Some even 0.0 %.    E That's partly because the load and idle values are not defined on allt systems running the client.   H By the way, the VMS client now works on both Alphas and VAXes, thanks to@ Jerome.  I helped him, since he didn't have a VAX to test it on. -- sA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comyA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comm= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 21:41 CSTr' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)r0 Subject: Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project- Message-ID: <26NOV200221415921@gerg.tamu.edu>l  ) "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes... 5 }"Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in messagey( }news:25NOV200216380573@gerg.tamu.edu..., }> "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes...C }> }How did you manage to cram a 64 bit time into a 32 bit integer?  }>= }> The answer is easy: you use an array of two 32 bit values.g }>B }> How else do you plan on representing a 64 bit integer on a VAX? }> } J }Sure, eight bytes is what you need no matter how it's represented but theG }poster said that he changed the 64 bit ints to 32 bit ints.  He didn't  }mention an array.  ? Yeah, but it was plural and the usual way is to use an array ofI two 32 bit ints.  H There is another method - convert to "Unix" times which are just 32 bitsJ full of a count of seconds. For a delta time value like the system uptime,L a 32 bit integer holding the uptime in seconds should be plenty good enough.  C I would guess that the thing to do to get it correct would be to do B what it takes to produce the value that the program is supposed toC produce, which is probably - but not necessarily - a 32 bit integereC (it could be something like an array of ints or shorts for seconds, D minutes, hours, and days or something along those lines). This wouldC probably be the smart way to go - convert directly from what you've 4 got to what you need without any intermediate steps.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 04:21:16 GMTP* From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>0 Subject: Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project- Message-ID: <0LXE9.149966$nB.12458@sccrnsc03>P  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageaE news:rdeininger-2511020818400001@1cust108.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...e  J > For the Uptimes Project, this would really give VMS an unfair advantage.   And your point is?  L If we're talking about application availability, which is really what's it'sL all about, then the overall cluster availability would give a truer picture.J Who cares about the uptime of an individual node as long as the cluster is never unavailable?   ML  2 P. S. Who remembers "The Network Is The Computer"?   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 06:57:06 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n0 Subject: Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project3 Message-ID: <UyOhHdrZemih@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  W In article <25NOV200216380573@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:1+ > "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes...cB > }How did you manage to cram a 64 bit time into a 32 bit integer? > < > The answer is easy: you use an array of two 32 bit values. > A > How else do you plan on representing a 64 bit integer on a VAX?a      .quad   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:07:11 GMTt2 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@bogus.address>0 Subject: Re: System uptime - The Uptimes ProjectB Message-ID: <P_ME9.368$Ic4.32@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messageA) news:3DE27F25.3DF2863F@vl.videotron.ca...k > John Vottero wrote::C > > How did you manage to cram a 64 bit time into a 32 bit integer?e >1H > Ever heard of compression ?  Use LZW algorithm to replace frequent bit0 > patterns with a smaller number of bits :-) :-) >  > unsigned long mytime_bin[2]; >l > or >e  > unsigned short mytime_bin[4] ; >  > or >nJ > unsigned char mytime_bin[8] ;   /* although this one might have problems with > alignment */  L Turns out I did it totally wrong, and it was reporting incorrect uptimes. MyH knowledge of C is mostly by osmosis, so someone else will have to take a< crack at this. I suppose I could pull off a BASIC client  :p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:56:27 -0500I% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>l0 Subject: Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project/ Message-ID: <uu79tsro3v8jdc@news.supernews.com>   4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:25NOV200216380573@gerg.tamu.edu...r+ > "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes...iB > }How did you manage to cram a 64 bit time into a 32 bit integer? > < > The answer is easy: you use an array of two 32 bit values. >hA > How else do you plan on representing a 64 bit integer on a VAX?  >   I Sure, eight bytes is what you need no matter how it's represented but the F poster said that he changed the 64 bit ints to 32 bit ints.  He didn't mention an array.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:00:59 -0500I% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 0 Subject: Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project. Message-ID: <uu7a6ctkib770@news.supernews.com>  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagen  news:3DE28DAE.37155C4@aaa.com...> > When I looked at that site, I thought that many of the sites, > with long uptime had very low CPU work (or+ > whatever it sax called). Some even 0.0 %.m >m9 > I think they should multiply wall-time uptime with this ; > percentage and get an "effective" working-time. That saysf4 > more about such things as memory leaks and similar > problems.n >e  I I would tend to agree but I think we should wait until the OpenVMS clientt0 reports the load before lobbying for the change.   > Jan-Erik Sderholm.m >  > VAXVMS wrote:a > > 7 > > The site says that they'll exclude input that's nott& > > believable and then shows us this: > > 3 > > Windows  236  1017d 23h 5m  23d 11h 55m  43.17%  > > & > > A Windows system up for 1017 days? > >e/ > > Must be idle with no screen saver selected.l > >e > > ========================$ > > William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS > > OpenVMS Support Services* > > 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800> > > 919.874.3043 <FirstInitialDotLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2002 21:42:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n0 Subject: Re: System uptime - The Uptimes Project3 Message-ID: <ZXxy5AlK13x6@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  Z In article <0LXE9.149966$nB.12458@sccrnsc03>, "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com> writes:A > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messagetG > news:rdeininger-2511020818400001@1cust108.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...i > K >> For the Uptimes Project, this would really give VMS an unfair advantage.e >  > And your point is? > N > If we're talking about application availability, which is really what's it'sN > all about, then the overall cluster availability would give a truer picture.L > Who cares about the uptime of an individual node as long as the cluster is > never unavailable?  < The people running the competition might see it differently.  A I would suggest the cluster version identify the operating system A as VMScluster, and the node version identify the operating systemi as VMS.t   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:01:42 +0000 (UTC)a- From: "Colin Scott" <c.scott1@btinternet.com> 
 Subject: Teste1 Message-ID: <as0nfm$hdc$1@knossos.btinternet.com>i   Please Ignore This.d   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:01:42 +0000 (UTC)t- From: "Colin Scott" <c.scott1@btinternet.com>n
 Subject: Test 1 Message-ID: <as0nfm$hdc$2@knossos.btinternet.com>s   Please Ignore - Test Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:07:30 -0500p2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>$ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?. Message-ID: <3DE3B862.2C453905@mindspring.com>   John Nebel wrote:e  L > Does anyone know of a VMS program for rezizing large TIFFs?  I've ended upL > with several 1.8 GB TIFFs which exceed anything than can be processed withJ > Photoshop on a Mac.  Resizing them down for the time being is a possible > solution.r > J > I tried Mac Imagemagick and after the program executed for 12 hours withK > several malloc failures, figured that it was never going to get anywhere.a > * > VMS Imagemagick didn't seem much better. > L > The images can be re-scanned, however, it would be a pain taking apart theE > document holders again, paper money sheets in a museum.  The person F > who scanned them didn't realize that the default 2540 dpi setting ofK > the scanner, whilst working fine for single bank notes, may not have been  > a good idea for sheets.  > K > This is clearly a case where a 64-bit desktop would be handy and it looks @ > like it will very soon be a requirement for professional imageK > processing.  I can't use a Sinar electronic camera at the full capabilitysL > of the hardware because of the limitations on the desktop.  A Creo flatbed > scanner has the same problem.   0 30 minutes of studying the TIFF format and about6 10 minutes of Perl hacking should do it, no? You could2 downsample or just throw away n out of m pixels in each row and n out of m rows.e  ) And you ought to feed this back to Adobe.h
 Questions:      1. Which version of Photoshop?    2. Which version of the MacOS?&   3. You had enough free space on your)      disk, right? Photoshop was doubtlessi)      using its private VM scheme and that       requires disk.a   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 22:49 CSTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)t$ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?- Message-ID: <26NOV200222490920@gerg.tamu.edu>   S In article <as0dnp$elr$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de writes...em }In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211261034450.18337-100000@athena.csdco.com>, John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> writes:  }>L }>Does anyone know of a VMS program for rezizing large TIFFs?  I've ended upL }>with several 1.8 GB TIFFs which exceed anything than can be processed withJ }>Photoshop on a Mac.  Resizing them down for the time being is a possible }>solution.n }>J }>I tried Mac Imagemagick and after the program executed for 12 hours withK }>several malloc failures, figured that it was never going to get anywhere.n }>* }>VMS Imagemagick didn't seem much better. }  }You could try Xview.c } 	 }Regards,h }   Christoph Gartmann  < When compiling, things tend to default to 32 bit addressing.  C You might try to build one of these programs for 64 bit addressing.'C Then give an account huge a pagefile quota, check you free pagefileoF space (and add some more if needed) and give it a shot. (Then possibly3 go into the source and fix the 32 bit assumptions.)w   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 22:55 CST-' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e$ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?- Message-ID: <26NOV200222551303@gerg.tamu.edu>3  6 Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes... }JF Mezei wrote: }  }> Atlant Schmidt wrote:5 }> > 30 minutes of studying the TIFF format and about21 }> > 10 minutes of Perl hacking should do it, no?i }>N }> Not necessarily. If the image is compressed, then you need to uncompress itS }> first.  The old TIFF standard supports no-compression, CCITT fax, LZW, packbits.y }>M }> If the image is colour, and is stored in an indexed colour sheme, then youmO }> will need some logic in there to rebuilt your colour map if you are going toaO }> be merging various dots into a single dot, possibly generating a new colour.0 } 7 }At 1.8 GB per file, they can't be very compressed. :-):   Yes, they can.  9 }8.5" x 11" at 2450 pixels/inch at 3 bytes/pixel = 1.7 GBc9 }8.5" x 11" at 2450 pixels/inch at 4 bytes/pixel = 2.2 GBM  ) What makes you think they are 8.5" x 11"?v  D A full sheet of US currency measures about 21" x 24.5", give or takeC a few tenths of an inch, before it is cut up into individual notes. G (A sheet is 32 notes layed out 4 by 8.) That's 5.5 times as many pixelsyG at the same resolution - so at 24 bits/pixel a sheet of that size wouldoE be compressed by a bit over 5:1. If they are also storing the data inIG the full 48 bits per pixel that many good scanners can produce (16 bitsE9 per channel), it could be over 10:1. Or it could be less.   ? The size of the sheet in question hasn't been specified, so thet" size of the raw image isn't known.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:22:26 -0500i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?/ Message-ID: <3DE3C9EE.530FCCE5@vl.videotron.ca>-   John Nebel wrote:-L > The images can be re-scanned, however, it would be a pain taking apart theE > document holders again, paper money sheets in a museum.  The personsF > who scanned them didn't realize that the default 2540 dpi setting ofK > the scanner, whilst working fine for single bank notes, may not have beent > a good idea for sheets.d  5 Are you printing money in your basement ????  :-) ;-)   K The CDA converter library does have a TIFF input and output plugins. But iteJ doesn't allow scaling in the options. But you could convert it to DDIF and) perhaps play with it with DECW$PAINT etc.o  L One must also consider what type of TIFF image is generated. Is it a totallyA uncompressed image ?  What sort of colour scheme has been used ? t  Y (TIFF is more of a container file format which describes what sort of image is included)."   However, one possible route:  I convert the TIFF to postscript (CDA converter library will do that). ThentM convert the postscript to PDF. The "real" Adobe PDF distiller will downsample J images and convert them to RGB on the fly. Not sure about those converters available on VMS though.    I Once you have the PDF output, you could then import the PDF in a graphics_$ package to extract the image itself.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:31:52 -0500n0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?/ Message-ID: <3DE3CC24.36631915@vl.videotron.ca>;   Atlant Schmidt wrote:a2 > 30 minutes of studying the TIFF format and about/ > 10 minutes of Perl hacking should do it, no? e  K Not necessarily. If the image is compressed, then you need to uncompress itaP first.  The old TIFF standard supports no-compression, CCITT fax, LZW, packbits.  J If the image is colour, and is stored in an indexed colour sheme, then youL will need some logic in there to rebuilt your colour map if you are going toL be merging various dots into a single dot, possibly generating a new colour.  K But if the image is uncompressed, and stored as raw colours (either CMYK or-S RGB), then the logic to combine multiple dots into a single one may not be so hard.o   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 18:15:21 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)c$ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?0 Message-ID: <as0dnp$elr$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  l In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0211261034450.18337-100000@athena.csdco.com>, John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> writes: >.K >Does anyone know of a VMS program for rezizing large TIFFs?  I've ended upsK >with several 1.8 GB TIFFs which exceed anything than can be processed withmI >Photoshop on a Mac.  Resizing them down for the time being is a possibles
 >solution. >hI >I tried Mac Imagemagick and after the program executed for 12 hours with J >several malloc failures, figured that it was never going to get anywhere. >p) >VMS Imagemagick didn't seem much better.p   You could try Xview.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanne  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:52:56 -0500n2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>$ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?- Message-ID: <3DE3D118.D99CC88@mindspring.com>c   JF Mezei wrote:e   > Atlant Schmidt wrote:34 > > 30 minutes of studying the TIFF format and about0 > > 10 minutes of Perl hacking should do it, no? >cM > Not necessarily. If the image is compressed, then you need to uncompress iteR > first.  The old TIFF standard supports no-compression, CCITT fax, LZW, packbits. >-L > If the image is colour, and is stored in an indexed colour sheme, then youN > will need some logic in there to rebuilt your colour map if you are going toN > be merging various dots into a single dot, possibly generating a new colour.  6 At 1.8 GB per file, they can't be very compressed. :-)  8 8.5" x 11" at 2450 pixels/inch at 3 bytes/pixel = 1.7 GB8 8.5" x 11" at 2450 pixels/inch at 4 bytes/pixel = 2.2 GB  5 So it sounds like the files are 24-bit, uncompressed.     M > But if the image is uncompressed, and stored as raw colours (either CMYK ordU > RGB), then the logic to combine multiple dots into a single one may not be so hard.Q  2 It's pretty easy, at least if you'll accept linear% averaging as the downsampling method.o  $ Assume m pixels on each row and n is the downsampling factor.   for (a bunch of results rows)r   {i  '     Clear a "result row" of m/n pixels.        For (n rows)/       sum every n adjacent pixels together intoo3       the appropriate position in the "results row""  1     Divide each pixel in the results row by n**2.n     }r   And Bob's your uncle!.  , You need enough storage for one result row's/ worth of pixels, but that's something less thane (say) 2450*8.5*3 = 62475 ints.   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:05:15 +0530s4 From: Kesav Tadimeti <Kesav_Tadimeti@KeaneIndia.com>' Subject: totally OT: terminal emulatorstI Message-ID: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C26091E505@exdel01.del.mgsl.com>u   Hi all,oJ We got a CD of pathworks along with other VMS-related CDs when we bought aJ DS-10. The Pathworks CD contains PowerTerm which is a terminal emulator. IL would like to know about its licensing details. Is it an evaluation copy, or? does come with a single-use license or unlimited-user license.    E Any help will be appreciated. I am not very happy with our Reflection 1 emulator - eats up a lot of CPU time on Windows. f  
 With thanks..i keshav   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:22:28 -0600-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>@+ Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators & Message-ID: <3DE45694.2101F56@fsi.net>   Kesav Tadimeti wrote:0 > 	 > Hi all,vL > We got a CD of pathworks along with other VMS-related CDs when we bought aL > DS-10. The Pathworks CD contains PowerTerm which is a terminal emulator. IN > would like to know about its licensing details. Is it an evaluation copy, or@ > does come with a single-use license or unlimited-user license. > G > Any help will be appreciated. I am not very happy with our Reflectione2 > emulator - eats up a lot of CPU time on Windows.   ???!!!  F If you have to worry about how much CPU Reflection eats up on Windows,? you've got more serious problems to consider than just terminalu
 emulation!  G I'd be more worried about Micro$lop like LookOut, Word, Excel, ... than  Reflection!    --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2002 13:55:05 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton)pG Subject: U.S. Public School Educatuion (was:Re: OT: Hamburger Flipping) ! Message-ID: <ZsIPpVPTT480@rabbit>d  K To answer the fist/second ww question below - I was taught the the first ww K began in 1914, and the second ww began in 1939, and this was close to fortyt
 years ago.  C My experience with the issues raised by this thread are as follows:   O - I've always taken an active interest in my children's education - I've workedsK closely with my children's teachers, as well as attempting to supplement my-O children's education with learning away from public school.  I'm pretty sure myuJ kids have been helped, more than if I had left their education up to their	 teachers.-  M - Money for public school education does not go solely to education; there isgL infrastructure to pay for, as well.  Badly-administered public schools wasteN more money than well-administered schools, and therefore, the children suffer.  O - When I was a sophomore in college, we had a student from the UK who attenededTK our university; even though he was the same age as I was, his education wastG more extensive than mine was.  I was impressed; I don't think his was ae@ "prepartory" education, but was supposedly typical of his peers.   { In article <a1178f9b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes:a/ > In message <3DE38D57.B07751F0@mindspring.com> ? >           Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:  >  >> VAXVMS wrote: >> n@ >> > To any who would posit that what passes for education today> >> > is anything more substantial than a rough outline drawingB >> > of what once was considered to be essential common knowledge,= >> > here is a link to an eighth grade final examination from   >> > Salinas, Kansas dated 1895. >> >A >> > Most of *us* couldn't answer all of the questions correctly.d >> >< >> > http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/ottawa/exam.html >> r) >> Syllabi vary. My son has learned a lotl' >> more biochemistry/mollecular biology ) >> than I was ever taught in high school.n* >> On the other hand, his vocabulary isn't* >> as broad. Diff'ren strokes for diff'ren >> folks, I guess. >> m+ >> Kids today know far more about computers  >> as well.S >> o- >> And turning to that Kansas exam, I suspect6, >> those Kansas kids really didn't know much+ >> about the calculus or solving systems of.- >> simultaneous equations. Or nuclear energy.a, >> Or physics in general. Or evolution (and,( >> thanks to the Kansas government, they1 >> still don't!). Or any number of topics outside  >> that 1895 "core curriculum".7 >> w+ >> There's also a bit more American Historyt% >> now than when those exam questionss- >> were written. I understand we've even beens+ >> to the moon, as well as having had a fewl% >> foreign adventures since 1895. :-)  > N > But are Americans still taught that the first world war started in 1917, and > the second in 1942?  > 9 > (In case they are, the correct dates are 1914 and 1939)T > . >> Generally, kids live up to (or down to) the0 >> expectations set by the parents. If you don't5 >> like how your kids turned out, look in the mirror;1 >> don't blame the schools.J >> o	 >> Atlanto >> m >> r >> c >  > -- y > Alan Adams( > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/e -- e Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"n "Lose the MAPS"i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.655 ************************s at tcpip 5.1eco4 since now I ahve upgrade to tcpip 5.3.- The problem are still there.   Thanks.M       >  >h1 ><rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espam> wrote in messageF" >new
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