1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 28 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 658       Contents:A Checking currently installed memory modules on Alphas through VMS E Re: Checking currently installed memory modules on Alphas through VMS 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 9 How to mix binary and ascii data in SDA SHOW LOCK /NAME ? 9 How to mix binary and ascii data in SDA SHOW LOCK /NAME ? , Re: J2EE /Java Server on OpenVMS with MANMAN" Re: TCPIP programming: URGent flag Re: TIFF processing on VMS?  Re: TIFF processing on VMS?  Unzip for VMS 4.7  Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10" RE: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10" Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10" RE: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10* Re: Where can I find patches to my system? [announce] FreeVMS 0.0.34 ( Re: [OT] FORTRAN-based accounting system  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2002 23:33:29 -0800' From: roose_chua@yahoo.com (Roose Chua) J Subject: Checking currently installed memory modules on Alphas through VMS= Message-ID: <127ddcff.0211272333.477a7b71@posting.google.com>    Hi,   B We are currently planning in upgrading the memories of some of our= Alpha servers. However, since these servers are being managed B remotely, ie. some in North America, Europe and Asia, and the factE that we currently don't have a copy of these servers current hardware B configuration with the changes in it, we are having a problem whatE type of memory modules could still be installed, or if there are even # available slots for the new memory.   E Question is, is there an available tool that can run in OpenVMS which F could tell us a) how many memory slots are taken/available and b) whatF type of memory modules/chips has been installed so far? I've talked toD our local support here and they told me that the only way to do thisE is to get a downtime, have someone be at the site, open the node then F do the inventory. I was hoping there is another alternative to this as? downtime is being avoided on this activity as much as possible.    Thanks in advance to your help!    Regards, Roose    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:59:40 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)N Subject: Re: Checking currently installed memory modules on Alphas through VMSK Message-ID: <rdeininger-2811020759400001@1cust175.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   = In article <127ddcff.0211272333.477a7b71@posting.google.com>, ( roose_chua@yahoo.com (Roose Chua) wrote:   >Hi, > C >We are currently planning in upgrading the memories of some of our > >Alpha servers. However, since these servers are being managedC >remotely, ie. some in North America, Europe and Asia, and the fact F >that we currently don't have a copy of these servers current hardwareC >configuration with the changes in it, we are having a problem what F >type of memory modules could still be installed, or if there are even$ >available slots for the new memory. > F >Question is, is there an available tool that can run in OpenVMS whichG >could tell us a) how many memory slots are taken/available and b) what G >type of memory modules/chips has been installed so far? I've talked to E >our local support here and they told me that the only way to do this F >is to get a downtime, have someone be at the site, open the node thenG >do the inventory. I was hoping there is another alternative to this as @ >downtime is being avoided on this activity as much as possible.  P AFAIK, there is no VMS tool that gives this info directly for all alpha systems.  I Memory configuration is handled by the console firmware, not by VMS.  The G console builds a memory descriptor table for the OS, but it is based on G physical addresses, not hardware components.  In most systems, there is   little relation between the two.  B You don't mention your system type(s), nor version(s) of VMS.  The% following may help you in some cases:   I The ANALYZE/SYSTEM tool will show many of VMS's internal data structures.   F SDA> CLUE CONFIG will show the firmware's memory descriptor table.  InH some systems there are "holes" in the address space which are related to@ me hardware configuration.  But this is a pretty weak indicator.  = SDA> SHOW GCT  -- on recent alpha models -- shows the "Galaxy @ Configuration Tree", which includes FRU (Field Replaceable Unit)E information.  On many systems, the memory components are FRUs and are D included in the tree.  The GCT is constructed by the firmware, varys@ greatly from one system type to another, and is not particularly documented.   H For any particular system type, you could construct a tool to figure outE the memory configuration, essentially following the logic used by the D firmware.  But it would require detailed hardware specs that are not= readily available and would not be a simple programming task.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:48:41 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper. Message-ID: <3DE5E679.2030800@nospamn.sun.com>   David Mathog wrote: * > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:11:27 +0000 (UTC)9 > jloup@gailly.OmitThisWord.net (Jean-loup Gailly) wrote:  >  > J >>I have written a patch for John the Ripper http://www.openwall.com/john/M >>to allow cracking OpenVMS (Vax and Alpha) passwords.  The patch is based on ? >>code from Shawn Clifford, Davide Casale and Mario Ambrogetti.  >  > L > Which is nice but of little relevance to VMS security.  Only a priv'd userI > should be able to read SYSUAF.DAT, and if that user has evil intentions C > then the system is already compromised - there's no need to crack J > the password file.  This contrasts with many (most?) Unix systems, where1 > everybody can read the encrypted password file.  >   ; This has been untrue for years for Solaris I cannot comment  on other UNIX's.  = /etc/passwd is readable by non root users but doesn't contain  users passwords.  9 The passwords are held in /etc/shadow and this by default  isn't readable except by root.     ls -la /etc/shadow returnsA -r--------   1 root     sys          674 Nov 27 09:55 /etc/shadow      Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:22:05 +0100   From: marco viola <mgv@mail.com>< Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper% Message-ID: <t955sa.9f7.ln@127.0.0.1>   P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:; > The passwords are held in /etc/shadow and this by default   > isn't readable except by root.     > ls -la /etc/shadow returnsC > -r--------   1 root     sys          674 Nov 27 09:55 /etc/shadow    Not writable; interesting.   How do you add users?    Ciao Marco    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:17:02 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper+ Message-ID: <as4tve$sou$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   d In article <jg4auuknn6cro1fu2khri1kbpqvs3827vq@4ax.com>, Georges A. Tomazi <gt@diapason.com> writes: >  >David - > F >On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:27:48 -0800, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> >wrote:  >  >[...] > 6 >>This contrasts with many (most?) Unix systems, where1 >>everybody can read the encrypted password file.  > F >That's not anymore true. Most if not all current Unix systems use nowA >the shadow file (Solaris, Irix, Linux, OpenBSD, NetBSD, etc...).  >   P Most if not all provide a shadow password or similar facility but whether it is  the default I'm not so sure.M Also I doubt whether when upgrading older systems an automatic conversion to  & using shadowed passwords is performed.  L I've also come across systems using shadowed passwords where for some reasonM passwords ended up being setup in the /etc/passwd file and hence posed a risk  until someone noticed.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:21:13 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper' Message-ID: <3DE64279.36E8A91F@fsi.net>    Dale King wrote: >  > Shane Smith wrote:D > > True. However, access to that file would also be restricted in aI > > properly locked down system, so it's still of limited use to hackers. H > > They'd have to get in and get privs to get the file, and the program3 > > would be fairly pointless once you'd done that.  > O > The big problem of course is people using the same passwords on many systems. R > Once a system is comprised so are the rest.  Similarly, a priviliged user on oneL > system can generally be considered privileged on the rest, where a company7 > policy enforces consistent usernames accross systems.   2 The hard part is reconciling that to human nature.  E What's a big complaint of the security people? SAME passwords on many  systems.  G What's the big complauin of users? DIFFERENT passwords on many systems.    Nearly diametric opposition.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:26:15 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper' Message-ID: <3DE643A7.EBB383AF@fsi.net>    marco viola wrote: > R > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:= > > The passwords are held in /etc/shadow and this by default " > > isn't readable except by root. >  > > ls -la /etc/shadow returnsE > > -r--------   1 root     sys          674 Nov 27 09:55 /etc/shadow  >  > Not writable; interesting. >  > How do you add users?   G root effectively has the equivalent of BYPASS privilege. The permission 6 mask is more or less meaningless in such circumstance.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:26:33 +0100 ) From: Georges A. Tomazi <gt@diapason.com> < Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper8 Message-ID: <mm9cuu0gba1t7oml5vajr92s6k8kj0nojt@4ax.com>   Hi -  E On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:22:05 +0100, marco viola <mgv@mail.com> wrote:    [...]    >> ls -la /etc/shadow returns D >> -r--------   1 root     sys          674 Nov 27 09:55 /etc/shadow >  >Not writable; interesting.  >  >How do you add users?  1 That's normal on Solaris. The system bypass that.    Georges    --$ Georges A. Tomazi - gt@sunwizard.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:30:06 +0400 4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>B Subject: How to mix binary and ascii data in SDA SHOW LOCK /NAME ?5 Message-ID: <13212099329.20021128113006@ncc.volga.ru>   
 Hello all,  F   I need to see locks queued on the particular resource. UnfortunatelyF resource name containt non-printable data. I saw somethere the exampleD how to intermix binary and printable data in the SHOW LOCK/NAME, but? can't remember where it was (Alpha System Analysis Tools Manual " checked of course). Something like@ SHOW LOCK/NAME=%X13printable_data_follows , but it doesn't work. Screen. Mind. Both are blank.    --  
 Best regards, #  Valentin                           (  valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 08:13:11 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) B Subject: How to mix binary and ascii data in SDA SHOW LOCK /NAME ?= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0211280813.5fbbf5d7@posting.google.com>   q Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> wrote in message news:<13212099329.20021128113006@ncc.volga.ru>... H >   I need to see locks queued on the particular resource. UnfortunatelyH > resource name containt non-printable data. I saw somethere the exampleF > how to intermix binary and printable data in the SHOW LOCK/NAME, butA > can't remember where it was (Alpha System Analysis Tools Manual $ > checked of course). Something likeB > SHOW LOCK/NAME=%X13printable_data_follows , but it doesn't work. > Screen. Mind. Both are blank.   B Enclose the resource name in parentheses, enclose ASCII strings inA quotation marks ("), and include strings of hexadecimal digits as F needed, with no prefix.  Separate the ASCII strings and hex numbers byD commas.  For example, to display the locks (and resource itself) forE the Files-11 File Serialization lock with a lock basis of %x00000622,  one would use:' SDA> show lock/name=("F11B$s",00000622) + SDA> show resource/name=("F11B$s",00000622) > Matching occurs on the subset of the resource name you supply,> behaving as if you had ended the resource name with a wildcard
 asterisk (*).    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:22:44 GMT ? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) 5 Subject: Re: J2EE /Java Server on OpenVMS with MANMAN / Message-ID: <3de5ee58.9130909@news.demon.co.uk>    Alan,   ? We've built up quite a bit of expertise in this area, and could 0 certainly help him.  I've sent him mail offline.   Jim.    E On 27 Nov 2002 07:21:21 -0800, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:   B >Following was recently posted to the CAMUS (MANMAN) mailing list. > $ >From: Warren.Smith@victorreinz.com + >To: manman@camus.org ; manman@interex.org  ) >Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:04 PM 5 >Subject: [MANMAN:3917] J2EE / Java Server on OpenVMS  >  >  > P >I am looking for those who have experience with the OpenVMS Java/Tomcat  Server, >and also the  J2EE tool called Bridgeworks. > E >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html   > M >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/bridgeworks/bridgeworks_index.html   >  >  >Thanks  >  >Warren Smith / >Director I.T. Dana Corp Sealing Prod Division   >Lisle, Il. 60532  >630-271-4860  >    Jim Johnson  Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:19:42 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: TCPIP programming: URGent flag / Message-ID: <3DE5EDBD.250AF4BC@vl.videotron.ca>    "John Gemignani, Jr." wrote:D > URG is the URGENT DATA flag.  Packets which contain this flag alsoE > contain an urgent (expedited) data pointer.  To send such data, the < > client uses the flag MSG_OOB (out-of-band/expedited data).  K Thanks again for the pointer. Was able to find the doc on the OOB flag  and  EUREKA !    7 OOB is a flag (P4) of the QIO call with TCPIP services.   K But this software was originally written for CMU-IP where P4 is a different E flag scheme, and I had set it to flush the data (after an end of line L condition). When I converted to TCPIP, I changed the call establishement andM run-down calls, but the write and read seemed to work fine and didn't seem to 6 need changes... Got bitten by the damned flag :-( :-(   L It is interesting however that the software had no problem talking to remoteA hosts (sun). But the doc does state that OOB is only single byte. S Interestingly, the packets sent out did contain all of the data I asked it to send.    Anyhow, it works now !   thanks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:35:45 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> $ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?0 Message-ID: <5RpF9.9$sB.429193@news.cpqcorp.net>  / "John Nebel" <nebel@csdco.com> wrote in message A news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0211271319340.19345-100000@athena.csdco.com...  >  > JF,  > L > Actually one of the things being done is to print money, however, 50" wide; > photographs that would not be confused with legal tender.  >   J Speaking of printing money... someone last week anonymously sent me a veryL nice - very large - photograph of a $1000 bill (and I mean very large posterL size).  I'm guessing it was a bribe, but so far nobody is willing to take itH as payment ;-)  They forgot to include their name, and what the bribe is for.   _Fred    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 08:29:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?3 Message-ID: <aP20B25ZSS5+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <5RpF9.9$sB.429193@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:  L > Speaking of printing money... someone last week anonymously sent me a veryN > nice - very large - photograph of a $1000 bill (and I mean very large posterN > size).  I'm guessing it was a bribe, but so far nobody is willing to take itJ > as payment ;-)  They forgot to include their name, and what the bribe is > for.  F Just do a Google search of comp.os.vms for the phrase "VMS should" :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2002 23:51:55 -0800$ From: jk@igm-group.com (Joe Kreuzer) Subject: Unzip for VMS 4.7= Message-ID: <5697eb95.0211272351.55d4e1a8@posting.google.com>   A I need Unzip for VMS 4.7. I know this is a pretty old version but A perhaps anybody can help me. I need the binary executable because  theres no compiler installed.    Thanks for answers,  Joe Kreuzer    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 09:16:05 -0800- From: mike@quotelinedirect.com (Mike Knowles) ' Subject: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 = Message-ID: <4f0b9322.0211280916.3845b54b@posting.google.com>    Hi  F Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding second hand or= refurbished Compaq Alpha kit? I am based in the UK. We want a @ redundant server for restoration and verification of DLT backups   Thanks   MK   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:18:16 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: RE: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGGGCAA.tom@kednos.com>    http://www.islandco.com/   >-----Original Message----- 5 >From: Mike Knowles [mailto:mike@quotelinedirect.com] * >Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:16 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >Subject: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 >  >  >Hi  > G >Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding second hand or > >refurbished Compaq Alpha kit? I am based in the UK. We want aA >redundant server for restoration and verification of DLT backups  >  >Thanks  >  >MK  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:35:09 GMT * From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>+ Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 < Message-ID: <htsF9.23045$GR5.6771@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGGGCAA.tom@kednos.com...  > http://www.islandco.com/  L He said he was in the UK. Are you certain that Island has an export license?   > >-----Original Message----- 7 > >From: Mike Knowles [mailto:mike@quotelinedirect.com] , > >Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:16 AM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* > >Subject: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 > >  > >  > >Hi  > > I > >Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding second hand or @ > >refurbished Compaq Alpha kit? I am based in the UK. We want aC > >redundant server for restoration and verification of DLT backups  > > 	 > >Thanks  > >  > >MK  > >  > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). D > >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 > >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:21:51 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: RE: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEGHGCAA.tom@kednos.com>   C I thought there name derived from Channel Islands.  Export license?    >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Mark E. Levy [mailto:levy@sysman-inc.com]* >Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:35 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, >Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 >  > / >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message 4 >news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGGGCAA.tom@kednos.com... >> http://www.islandco.com/  > > >He said he was in the UK. Are you certain that Island has an  >export license? >  >> >-----Original Message-----8 >> >From: Mike Knowles [mailto:mike@quotelinedirect.com]- >> >Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:16 AM  >> >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + >> >Subject: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10  >> > >> > >> >Hi >> >J >> >Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding second hand orA >> >refurbished Compaq Alpha kit? I am based in the UK. We want a D >> >redundant server for restoration and verification of DLT backups >> >
 >> >Thanks >> > >> >MK >> > >> >--- * >> >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).E >> >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002  >> > >> ---) >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. = >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). D >> Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >> >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:16:49 +0100 8 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com>3 Subject: Re: Where can I find patches to my system? - Message-ID: <as4ft2$o2o$1@news2.ipartners.pl>   G >   I'm not entirely certain that "id est" (i.e.) is what was intended. H >   Id est is far more commonly associated with an alternate restatementG >   of information.  "Exempli gratia" (e.g.) would probably be what was E >   intended here.  i.e. and e.g. are confused rather often, however.   C "I.e." is equivalent to "it is", while "e.g." is equivalent to "for 	 example". I Now that I wanted to patch exactly that version of VMS, "i.e." seems more  accurate to me. 2 Well, I am not a native speaker. I could go wrong.  H > :I have tried www.compaq.com, but I was unable to find any link to VMS > :patches.  > I >   Please read the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) document for : >   the answer to this and to many other common questions.    Thanks, I will use it next time.G Anyway, asking the question was not pointless, as now I have got a link B to a really nice patch site. It has an advantage of rating patches5 with colours, and sorting them using many categories.    T. D.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:15:21 +0000 (UTC)   From: JKB <bertrand@chezmoi.com>" Subject: [announce] FreeVMS 0.0.34: Message-ID: <slrnauc98b.ki9.bertrand@zebigbos.makalis.com>   	Hello,   5 	The release 0.0.34 of the FreeVMS kernel is done and 2 	downloadable at ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/vms/freevms.  	 	Regards,    	JKB   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:41:14 -0700 3 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@miindspring.nospaam.com> 1 Subject: Re: [OT] FORTRAN-based accounting system 2 Message-ID: <as5dfa$3ns$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>  = John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote in message . news:20021127185322.A31147@eisenschmidt.org...F > May or may not be/have been on VMS, but are any of you familiar with* > an accounting system written in FORTRAN? >   ; The ManMan software package written by ASK Computer Systems 8 probably had some accounting modules.  It was written in: Fortran and used DBMS.  The last I heard about ManMans was6 that it was owned and support by MK Group which is was" subsidiary of Computer Associates.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.658 ************************