1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 29 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 659       Contents:; Re: ARG!  Isn't there *any* company in the DC Metro area... ; Re: ARG!  Isn't there *any* company in the DC Metro area... 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper 3 Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper = Re: How to mix binary and ascii data in SDA SHOW LOCK /NAME ? - Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6 - Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6 % Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance @ Re: Problem with HSZ50 (access to the CLI from the console port) Re: Recursive Deletion Re: Recursive Deletion Re: Recursive Deletion Re: Recursive Deletion" Re: totally OT: terminal emulators" Re: totally OT: terminal emulators" Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10" Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10" Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:11:02 GMT  From: 01dynamypants@cox.net D Subject: Re: ARG!  Isn't there *any* company in the DC Metro area...8 Message-ID: <7l8cuu8n830t1ban3vdmp8enjjtdo0clrj@4ax.com>  0 On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:56:17 GMT,  "Ken Randell"@ <ken.randell@fortel.com>  ran screaming out of the mens room and
 exclaimed:  K >I tried to send the below to you but got rejected following your 'removal'  >instructions: >  >Ken Randell  + hmmm..don't know why it didn't go through..    01dynaATcoxDOTnet    but thanks for responding.   > 1 >------------------------------------------------  > < >Searching various places for 'vax or vms or openvms' shows: > G >monster.com, on Nov 25th a position in Fairfax, VA at CARFAX shows up.   F I think, with your help, I've discovered why these jobs didn't show upE in my search agent.  I had selected "Washington DC/metro" as the only F search criteria.  However, if I *also* select the northern Va. cities,E these jobs show up.  I guess "metro DC" doesn't comprise northern Va.  8-P    > M >www.washingtonjobs.com shows that the GPO is looking for someone with VMS/NT  >experience  > B >ACS State/Federal folks in Rockville, MD seem to advertise on the& >washingtonjobs.com from time to time. > K >From memory, a while ago, the following were also hiring for VMS positions  >of one kind or another: > L >SAIC (Falls Church & Bethesda) -- working on VA CHCS contract -- there were$ >also some sub-contractors involved.G >AC-Technologies in Fairfax, VA (I think this one was more of a project  >manager who can speak VMSish) > G >You may also find things on dice.com.  It REALLY helps if you  have an < >existing TS clearance.  This seems to open many more doors.    > thanks Ken, I appreciate your help.  Yes having a clearance isD definitely a plus.  I had a TS up until 1990 but it would have to be< renewed and nobody wants to take the time or money to do so.  D It's sort of the chicken or the egg thing.  If you have a clearance,E you already have a job.  If you quit your job, then your clearance is ? dead.  The only people applying for those positions already are C in a cleared job so, at the end of the year, all the positions have E been filled but now all the *other* positions are vacated!  Everybody  just stepped left.  D I think with the Homeland Security Bill being passed, there' ll be aF lot more positions open up but it will take time to get to that point.   cheers,  -aki     >  >Good Luck.  >  >Ken Randell >        Remove my pants to email   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:12:32 GMT  From: 01dynamypants@cox.net D Subject: Re: ARG!  Isn't there *any* company in the DC Metro area...8 Message-ID: <309cuucbc87klgj52m41itg1t1c1t7m4dg@4ax.com>  2 On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:19:50 -0500,  "Alan Boyles"D <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>  ran screaming out of the mens room and
 exclaimed:  J >Look on Monster.com and search on "Sales Support".  I have an agent setupB >and I receive notes from Monster every other day which state thatI >Lockheed/Martin in Rockville is looking for a LARGE number of VMS types. K >They use the title Embedded S/W engineer for many things so don't let that 
 >fool you. >  >Alan     D thanks Alan, I tried to do a search on Sales Support but didn't comeE up with anything.  However I've discovered that I have to select more F than just "Washington DC/Metro" to come up with anything.  I have alsoF individually select the northern Va. cities as well.  Then it comes up with a lot more hits.    Thanks!  -aki       Remove my pants to email   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:00:10 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>< Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper/ Message-ID: <3DE667B9.F8374923@vl.videotron.ca>    Jean-loup Gailly wrote: J > By using John, a system administrator can effectively eliminate all weakN > passwords. I'm surprised that many VMS fans cannot understand the usefulnessG > of such a tool. (I wrote the John VMS patch for a security audit of a  > large company.)     M Suppose you do find that your boss has a weak password. What do you do then ? N Do you go and tell him that you extracted his password and decided that it wasN weak ? Wouldn't that jeoperdize the integrity of the system manager who is not- supposed to have access to user's passwords ?   L He may have access to his own sysuaf.dat on that small departmental VAX, butK getting his boss's password on the vax would probably also get his password N for the IBM mainframe and email servers etc etc etc. Revealing that you can inZ fact extract passowrds would jeoperdize the security of other systems in the organisation.  K One would have to be very diplomatic in trying to educate the person on the O use of stronger passowrds without giving any hints that you saw their password.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:44:15 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>< Subject: Re: Cracking OpenVMS passwords with John the Ripper) Message-ID: <3DE61DAF.1BDFA156@127.0.0.1>    Robert Deininger wrote:  > K > In article <SKWHEP+YdiIq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > D > >4. The vulnerability to such a tool is when people have access toH > >   unencrypted backup tapes.  At some shops that is easier to achieve3 > >   than privileged access to the running system.  > 
 > Good point.   C However you could set the SYSUAF.DAT as /NOBACKUP and independently H secure the backup copies of SYSUAF. Or fix your tape handling procedure,G however, if it is that bad, you deserve to get all your burgers nicked.   D There are far easier methods of breaking into a system that any selfE respecting hacker would use, as opposed to anything mentioned in this E thread. Like I said, if anyone is allowing passwords as supplied as a G list with that cracker, mine is with lots of ketchup and onions please.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:49:32 GMT , From: "Ed Dennison" <ed.dennison@compaq.com>F Subject: Re: How to mix binary and ascii data in SDA SHOW LOCK /NAME ?1 Message-ID: <02qF9.11$uA.397496@news.cpqcorp.net>   	 Valentin,   	     Try -   7         SDA> show lock/name=("WBM$BM$_DS",3a3641,"002")        as the appropraite syntax.  9     This would show a lock with the name WBM$BM$_DSA6:002        You will need to check -  7     the case of the lock name - because it is in quotes 1     the order in which the binary data is entered J     if it is an ALPHA or a VAX (works on ALPHA - I don't think this syntax ever appeared on VAX)                Regards,                       Ed Dennison   A "Valentin Likoum" <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> wrote in message / news:13212099329.20021128113006@ncc.volga.ru...  > Hello all, > H >   I need to see locks queued on the particular resource. UnfortunatelyH > resource name containt non-printable data. I saw somethere the exampleF > how to intermix binary and printable data in the SHOW LOCK/NAME, butA > can't remember where it was (Alpha System Analysis Tools Manual $ > checked of course). Something likeB > SHOW LOCK/NAME=%X13printable_data_follows , but it doesn't work. > Screen. Mind. Both are blank.  >  > -- > Best regards,  >  Valentin * >  valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:52:59 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>6 Subject: Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-65 Message-ID: <as5s6v$olghe$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   I "Michiel Erens" <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> schreef in 9 bericht news:3DE561A7.5B08@this.mailaddress.is.invalid...  > Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > > H > > In article <as39ds$nrnes$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" > <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: E > > >The Navigator V2.02 software is available for both VAX and Alpha  > > >platforms.  > > > @ > > >No reference at all to 3.03, could you give me a valid URL? > >  > > It used to be  > > > L http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/ns_navigator_303goldj_dow nload_page.html  > J > It is also on the layered products CD VAXBINMAR022 in the [NETSNAVG0303] > directory. > J OK, I installed 3.03 but that version also shows the same behaviour as itsJ predecessor. The application starts fine, it shows the widget where you'veD got to accept the license terms. Once I click accept the applicationJ freezes. ANALYZE/SYSTEM does not show anything alarming, the process state is LEF. < So the question remains: is this a Motif 1.2-6 problem then?   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:25:08 +0100 B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>6 Subject: Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-67 Message-ID: <3DE6A5D4.1440@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>    Hans Vlems wrote:  > F > OK, I installed 3.03 but that version also shows the same behaviour G > as its predecessor. The application starts fine, it shows the widget  D > where you've got to accept the license terms. Once I click accept A > the application freezes. ANALYZE/SYSTEM does not show anything  % > alarming, the process state is LEF. > > So the question remains: is this a Motif 1.2-6 problem then?  4 I have it running on VMS 7.2 / UCX 5.1 / Motif 1.2-6   Are the config files created ?     --   ME Posted by news://news.nb.nu    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:55:37 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>. Subject: Re: poor Gigabit Ethernet performance2 Message-ID: <dpvF9.14$OO.1004702@news.cpqcorp.net>  9 > 3. TTCP: Server: ttcp -r -s ; Client: ttcp -r -s ES40_2 F >    Result: about 7% or 9.6MB/s best case, mostly about 5% or 6.5MB/s  G Since you are wanting to test max throughput then you need to tune your L application and your system, and as Rick noted, verify you are not receiving errors.   L There has been lots of good suggestions from the community here, but I don'tD see you trying them.  You need to be methodical and thorough in yourB approach and take the time to understand all the factors involved.  ; Here is my pocket reference guide to tuning for throughput:   >     1) Tune your application - increase buffer size to maximum+         For ttcp, use "-l 65535 -b 1048576" L         (For peak performance with many connections, you need to use QIO ASTG         - socket select() does not scale well - though ttcp is a single  connection so doesn't          matter)   1     2) Tune your system - ensure plenty of window C     $ sysconfig -r inet tcp_sendspace=1048576 tcp_recvspace=1048576 (     $ sysconfig -r socket sb_max=1048576H     $! Some sysgen params can make a difference in real world situations2     $! Ensure you are not limited by process quota       3) Tune your network(     a) Enable jumbo frames on the switch'     b) Enable jumbo frames on the hosts L     c) Verify jumbo frame size is being negotiated as MTU (see my prev post)*     d) Verify no errors on switch or hosts  L  > you did get 700Mb/s between two ES40s, where the ES40s connected directly3 > together, or was there a switch between the node?   = I use an Extreme Summit 1i switch.  Jumbo frames are enabled.   J > I don't like to use JUMBO frames. May be the switch between the nodes isG > able to handle. But there also FastEthernet Alphas within the cluster L > and so the JUMBO frames must be splitted. This will make a lot of trouble.  L I don't understand the trouble you are predicting here.  Jumbo frames simplyK give you a path with a large MTU.  It is the job of the IP protocol to make + sure packets are segmented and reassembled.    Matt.    --= -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message 0 news:200211270810.JAA00491@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, >  > Matt Muggeridge wrotes:  >  > >>> J > Please provide at least the command line you used.  9.6MB/s for Ethernet and L > GbE smells like you are not using GbE or you have it throttled way back inJ > your configuration.  Did you verify you are using Jumbo Frames?  Are youJ > certain your configuration is not inadvertenly using Ethernet instead ofI > GbE - check the interface counters ($ mcr lancp show dev /counter) also  look) > for any TCP errors, ($ netstat -p tcp).  > L > Using ttcp, GbE, 33Mhz 64-bit PCI bus, between ES40s, I readily exceed 700 > Mb/s.  > <<<  >  > May be this will clear:  > D > 1. DTSEND: DATA/NODE=ES40_2/SIZE=4096/SECENDS=10/SPEED=1000000000;  >    Result: about 27% or 32MB/s@ > 2. COPY:   PIPE SH TIME ; COPY ES40_2::CONT128MB NL: ; SH TIME  >    Result: about 7% or 9.6MB/s9 > 3. TTCP: Server: ttcp -r -s ; Client: ttcp -r -s ES40_2 F >    Result: about 7% or 9.6MB/s best case, mostly about 5% or 6.5MB/s > J > The first test shows, that the line is Gigabit Ethernet, but with a poorG > performance. Also an $LANCP SHOW DEVICE/PARAMETER show, that the line K > speed is 1Gigabit and the mode is full duplex. An ANALYZE/SYSTEM SHOW LAN I > shows that DECnet and TCPIP uses the same Gigabit Etherenet adapter. If K > you did get 700Mb/s between two ES40s, where the ES40s connected directly H > together, or was there a switch between the node? Second question: are/ > there any flow control enabled on the switch? K > I did the same tests made with fast Ethernet adpater and this looks good. I > DTSEND: ~95% or 11.8MB/s; COPY: ~77% or 9.6MB/s; TTCP ~50% or 6.25MB/s. J > I don't like to use JUMBO frames. May be the switch between the nodes isG > able to handle. But there also FastEthernet Alphas within the cluster L > and so the JUMBO frames must be splitted. This will make a lot of trouble. >   > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 14:13:30 -0800  From: nmanser@progis.de (Manser)I Subject: Re: Problem with HSZ50 (access to the CLI from the console port) = Message-ID: <2178d61f.0211281413.31cbdaa4@posting.google.com>    Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<9c688a9b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>... > Hi,  > G > OK, I'll try to remember as much as possible - I worked with an SW300 K > (RaidArray 450) which uses the same controllers, but with a different bus  > configuration.  0 Lot of thanks, that you investige in my Problem.   > 5 > I don't have access to the hardware or manuals now.  >   - I have access to the manuals, (Service Guide)    > Alan > > > In message <2178d61f.0211260554.261ba26d@posting.google.com>- >           nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote:  >  > > Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<18fa279b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>...B > > > In message <2178d61f.0211251513.75c9a889@posting.google.com>1 > > >           nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote:  > > >  > > > > Hi VMS folks,  > > > > . > > > > I have inherited the folowing material > > > > % > > > > 2 as 800 5/400 in a rackmount , > > > > 2 HSZ50 controllers (dual redundant)! > > > > 5 sbb shelves with disks.  > > > > 1 vt500 Terminal > > > > H > > > > after mounting the Material again, i got the following problems: > > > > L > > > > 1) after connecting the DEc connect cable to the serial port of the G > > > > HSZ50 controller, and powering up the HSZ noting happens at the 4 > > > > console terminal, i can't get into the CLI .: > > > > the LED status of the controller is the following: > > > > $ > > > > GREEN LED : lit continuously* > > > > AMBER LED's: the 2 leftmost are on: > > > > in the troubleshooting manual here is the meaning: > > > >  > > > > Description of error: : > > > > Bugcheck before subsystem initialisation completed > > > > corrective action: > > > > reset the controller.  > > > > A > > > > but when i restart the controller the status is the same.  > > > Q > > > Does this happen on both of the HSZ50s - or can you connect the terminal to ' > > > the other one and get to the CLI?  > > >  > > $ > > This happens on both controllers > > 1 > > > Can you boot one if the other is shut down?  > >  > > no > N > I have an odd recollection that the terminal can prevent booting - I seem toI > remember that the seria cable is non-standard. If I remember correctly, N > pressing BREAK can reboot the controller, as can power cycling the terminal. > L > With this in mind, I would want to know whether booting without a trrminal8 > connected works, or booting with a different terminal.  A booting without the terminal, leads to the same LED status, which 8 tells that a bugcheck occured while starting up the HSZ.   > ; > Somebody else posted the terminal settings, 9600 aud etc.  >   I the terminal settings are OK, because i get console access to the server.  the connection is as follows:   % vt500  session1 <------> alpha server         session2 <------> hsz50    F i replaced the terminal with a PC (kea term) connected to the com port3 and on the alpha get console access i.e >>> prompt. B but when i connected to the hsz50 terminal port , i got no output.   > > > Q > > > (Given the symptoms on the terminal, I'd want to try a different terminal - 1 > > > could something have damaged both of them?)  > > > 3 > > > If one controller works and one doesn't, try   > > > show other > > > on the working one.  > > > M > > > If neither is working, and the diagnostic is correct, then something is Q > > > preventing both of them from booting. The only common hardware, as far as I N > > > know, is the disgnostic unit (the one which operates the alarn light andJ > > > buzzer), and I didn't think that could be a single point of failure. > > >  > > = > > the diagnostic LED's indicate a bugcheck while controller  > > initialistation.9 > > so the controller never completes the initialisation.  > > D > > is in this case normal that the access to the CLI is prevented ? > >  > ? > If the selftest is failing, then the CLI will never start up.  > 5 > During a normal boot quite a lot of test is output.  >   3 what kind of output before the CLI prompt appears ?   F > The hardware consists of two controllers, and a diagnostic unit. TheN > terminals are connected to the controllers, not to the diagnostic unit. EachN > controller has a cache, and a cache battery. I think there are variations inJ > how these work - there is a dual battery SSB, and single battery SSBs. IK > think there may be separate caches, while ours was within the controller.  >   N the controllers are in a ba350 shelf, contains 2 controllers, 2 cache modules. i.e 4 modules.L this is a dual redundant configuration, and a dual battery sbb connected in  another shelf.  L > I don't know whether the controller should boot with no battery connected,L > but it seems worth trying. If the battery is causing the problem, at least > that will show it. >   O i tried to boot the controller while the battery sbb was disconnected from the  ! controller, with the same result.    > > P > > > It is likely, if the equipment has been out of service for some time, thatR > > > the memory batteries are flat, and probably dead. Have you tried leaving the8 > > > system powered up for 24 hours, then trying again. > > >  > > I > > it is right that the system has been powered off since some time, but I > > the vendor told me that he powered it on the day before i got it, and  > > the devices  > > were all OK. > >   P > > > If the batteries are not quiesced (button on the battery housing) when theR > > > systen is shut down, then they go flat after about 100 hours. Not long after) > > > that, they are permanently damaged.  > > >  > > F > > the only thing is that i don't know if he shut down the controller > > by doing this: > >  > > HSZ1>shutdown this > > HSZ1>shutdown other  > > 5 > > wait untill all ports are quisced,and LED status:  > >  > > GREEN : lit continuous0 > > AMBER: the 3 leftmost (ports1,2,3) are lit . > >  > > then power off.  > > : > > suppose the case he did'nt do that, what will happen ? > L > In the worst case, cached updates will not be written to disk, so the disk= > data may not be completely valid. That may not concern you.  > M > If the batteries were not quiesced after the system was shut down, they are L > probably damaged. That is done from a button on the battery unit, not from > the controller CLI.  >  > > R > > > It seems possible that badly damaged batteries could prevent the system fron: > > > starting up. Disconecting them might be worth a try. > > >  > > >  > > D > > the LED status of the ECB is OK, but sometimes one led goes off.? > > in both cases the status LED of the controller is the same.  > L > Is the ECB the correct name for the diagnostic unit I referred to earlier? >   " with ecb i mean the cache battery.  * > I don't think it monitors the batteries. > K > When all power is removed from the system, the LED on each battery should I > flash briefly at about a 2 second rate. If it doesn't the batteries are  > either flat or damaged.  >  > > R > > > > when i power on the system, the disks (on the shelves) attached to the HSZ2 > > > > does not appear when i do >>> show device  > > > 9 > > > If the HSX50s are not booting, I would expect this.  > > > > N > > > > Have anybody had experiences with this kind of problem, what i can do " > > > > to get access to the CLI ? > > > >  > > > > 2) Terminal (VT520)  > > > > S > > > > By powering up the terminal (selftest OK) i can not clear the screen, there O > > > > is a permanent pattern of signs that prevents output afer 3 lines and 7 ? > > > > columns,after that the status of the terminal is : wait W > > > > nothing happens,the session in not accessible, neither by the F3 nor any other   > > > > buttons.	 > > > >   ) > > > > what is wrong with the terminal ?  > > > > 8 > > > > Help is greetly appreciated , thanks in advance. > > > >  > > > > Nazim Manser > > D > > i have disconnected the ECB cache and tried again, with the same > > result.  > K > The caches are connected to the controllers. I don't think the diagnostic  > unit (ECB?) has a cache. >  > > A > > i have put off and on the PCMCIA Programm card, following the  > > instrauctions I > > in the manual, i.e while pushing and holding down the reset button, i   > > ejected, and put back again) > > 3 > > but the result is the same on both controllers.  > > My question: > > E > > which HW piece is broken ? (the PCMCIA Card, or an other thing ?) E > > while init the controller what appears on the console terminal in  > > normal case ?  > M > Either there is a failure in a common piece of hardware, a failure due to a @ > common cause (e.g. batteries flat) or a heck of a coincidence. > F > I believe the system is designed to have no single point of failure. > L > Common cause could include a faulty terminal connected to both controllers > in turn, damaging both.  > @ > I don't believe in coincidence, unless there is good evidence. >  > > 
 > > reguards,  > >  > > Nazim Manser > F > Sorry I can't point to a definite cause. I suspect your system has aJ > different configuration to the one I used, for example, removable cache. >  > Good luck, >  > Alan  D i can send you a picture of the server showing how it is configured. my question is:   K suppose the batteries are damaged or flat, does this prevent the controller  to initialise correctly ?     thanks for the answers.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 18:48:18 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: Recursive Deletion = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0211281848.3831ac62@posting.google.com>   ^ John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1021127205133.27197J-100000@Ives.egh.com>...( > On 27 Nov 2002, Alan E. Feldman wrote: > k > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3DE40A93.D4DDF5F4@vl.videotron.ca>... R > > > I haven't tried this, but would BACKUP/DELETE [...]*.*;*  nla0:save.set/save3 > > > delete the whole directory tree in one pass ?  > >  > >  > > Yes, it would. However,  > > 3 > > $ BACKUP/DELETE [...] NL:A.B/SAVE/GROUP=0/NOCRC  > > K > > or if you're worried about the /DELETE deletes the wrong files bug, use  > > : > > $ BACKUP/VERIFY/DELETE [...] NL:A.B/SAVE/GROUP=0/NOCRC > 8 > I think you mean /CONFIRM, not /VERIFY.  /VERIFY gives > 3 > %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass 8 > %BACKUP-F-OPENIN, error opening NL:[]FOO.BCK; as input? > -RMS-F-IOP, operation invalid for file organization or device   " You're right. Sorry for the goof.   F I got burned by that /DELETE deletes files that for some reason didn'tE get copied and have been paranoid about it since. And I've been using B DFU to delete directory trees for quite a while so my memory about  BACKUP/DELETE is a little rusty.  % > When backing up to the null device.  > > N > > No point wasting resources calculating CRC's and making redundancy groups. > & > Good point about CRC's and groups... > # > > IIRC, using DFU is the fastest.  > 
 > Probably...  >  > > Disclaimer: JMHO > > Alan E. Feldman  > >  > >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 18:53:56 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: Recursive Deletion < Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0211281853.7a2c56d@posting.google.com>  ^ John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1021127203925.27197I-100000@Ives.egh.com>...( > On 27 Nov 2002, Alan E. Feldman wrote: >  > > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KPDDC746WOA24IEW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...0 > > > > $ delete [...]*.*;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;* > > > > < > > > > to clear out the entire tree, including directories. > > > @ > > > Is this behaviour "supported" or does it work "by chance"? > >  > > J > > I believe it is supported, and it will work as long as the protections2 > > allow the deletions. (On ODS-2 disks, anyway.) > >  > > Disclaimer: JMHO > > Alan E. Feldman  > I > Doesn't this work by repeating the delete until all files are gone from B > all subdirectories, thus allowing the directories to be deleted?   Yes.  A > If so, you need as many ",;*"'s tacked onto the end as you have G > subdirectories below the directory you are trying to delete.  I think G > even with ODS-2 on V7.2 and later, you can nest directories up to 255 N > deep.  (Section 1.2.2 of V7.3 OpenVMS Guide to Extended File Specifications)  D I work with VAXes running v6.1 and 6.2, so it works for that! I knewD ODS-5 offers more directory levels than 8, but didn't know about the@ ODS-2 on V7.2 or later. So in those cases, it won't always work.  ; Besides, what does Phillip mean by "work by chance" anyway?    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 19:00:18 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: Recursive Deletion = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0211281900.36c533ae@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEFKGCAA.tom@kednos.com>... > >-----Original Message----- 8 > >From: Alan E. Feldman [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]- > >Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:50 PM  > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" > >Subject: Re: Recursive Deletion > >  > > 2 > >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message 8 > >news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEFBGCAA.tom@kednos.com>...F > >> A COPY/DELETE similar to unix 'mv' would be useful,  maybe even a > >> /RECURSIVE qualifier. > > - > >Isn't this what BACKUP/VERIFY/DELETE does?  >   > But I was referring to COPY.    F So what's wrong with using BACKUP/VERIFY/DELETE since it does what you ask?  F More specifically: $ BACKUP/VERI/DEL *.* another-disk:[some-directory]  D This command will move files from the current default to a directory= on another disk. Isn't that what mv does? Yes, there are some @ differences between BACKUP and COPY -- is that what bothers you?   > >Disclaimer: JMHO  > >Alan E. Feldman > >$ SHOW SYMBOL A&P  ! &-) * > >  A&P == "Atlantic and Pacific Tea Co."   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 19:01:47 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: Recursive Deletion = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0211281901.39d6fd9c@posting.google.com>   g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3DE52373.1A651D55@vl.videotron.ca>... * > re: now owner "delete" on the DIR files. > P > What I don't like about directory files created so that not even the onwer canO > delete them by default is that when the owner does atte,pt to delete them, it N > generates a file access failure message in opcom, audit and operator.log and+ > that clutters up the files unnecessarily.     It doesn't do that on my system!   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 14:11:17 -08009 From: ue191@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca (T.L. (Terry) Branscombe) + Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators * Message-ID: <3de69485@news.victoria.tc.ca>  F I know I'd like to use Kermit 95 and/or C-Kermit to make secure TelnetH connections to my VMS Alpha at home, but for the life of me, I can't getH the client or the Compaq KTELNET server configured correctly.  I suspectG it has something to do with the fact my VMS system is behind a software J NAT router (M$ Internet Connection Sharing) running on a Windows MilleniumI system and is having difficulty with addressing.  This gateway system has J an ADSL connection to the outside world with an "almost static" IP addressH of 66.183.253.215 and an internal address of 192.168.0.1.  My VMS systemF has an IP address of 192.168.0.3 and a realm name of EREBUS.HOMEIP.NETA derived from the domein name I have "registered" with DYNDNS.ORG.   @ I have configured my connection in the Kermit Dialer as follows:      General tab (Access Info)  	Connection Type: TCP/IP service" 	Hostnam: szeged.erebus.homeip.net 	TCP/IP port: 2323$ 	Protocol: telnet (with negotiation)      Telnet settings 	All options set to 'ACCEPT'% 	Forward credentials to host: enabled + 	Telnet negotiations must complete: enabled  	Telnet debug mode: enabled % 	Telnet subnegotiation delay: enabled       TCP/IP settings 	My IP address: set manually 	Reverse DNS: off       Kerberos settings 	[Version 4]: <left blank> 	[Version 5]- 	Principal: tbransco (also defined on server)  	Realm: EREBUS.HOMEIP.NET  	Auto-Get TGT: enabled 	Auto-Destroy: enabled 	Lifetime: 600 minutes 	Forwardable: enabled   	K5 request get K4 too: disabled 	Credentials cache: <blank>       Login settings  	<blank>  I If someone familiar with Kermit clients and the Compaq KTELNET service on H TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS 5.3 could take a look at these settings, I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.    Alder     ' Frank da Cruz (fdc@columbia.edu) wrote: K : Right, Kermit is able to handle host pools (multiple IP addresses for the N : same; if the first one fails, try the next, and so on).  Not just Kermit 95,J : but also C-Kermit on VMS and Unix.  This is no accident, since Kermit isH : designed for production use in a large university where such things asJ : host clusters are common, not to mention DNS SRV records (so Kermit can N : find your site's Kerberos server without having it hardwired it into on-diskA : configuration files), etc.  We not only write it, we use it :-)   # :   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/   	 : - Frank  --   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2002 17:49:16 -0500& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)+ Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulatorse1 Message-ID: <as66hc$mg8$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>   * In article <3de69485@news.victoria.tc.ca>,: T.L. (Terry) Branscombe <ue191@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca> wrote:H : I know I'd like to use Kermit 95 and/or C-Kermit to make secure TelnetJ : connections to my VMS Alpha at home, but for the life of me, I can't getJ : the client or the Compaq KTELNET server configured correctly.  I suspectI : it has something to do with the fact my VMS system is behind a software0L : NAT router (M$ Internet Connection Sharing) running on a Windows Millenium2 : system and is having difficulty with addressing. :eH NATs tend to interfere with secure connections, not to mention recyclingH addresses and connections out from under you if you turn your back for aJ few minutes (seconds).  NATs, firewalls, proxies, IP masquerading, and allD the other modern tricks complicate everything, often to the point of total obfuscation.  I My advice would be to take all that stuff out of the picture and get youraK K95 connection to the VMS system working, then worry about how to penetrate8K all the IP-fakeout/filtering/translating mishmash afterwards.  Sometimes itnH simply cannot be done.  For example, if the TCP part of the IP packet isK encrypted, how is a firewall supposed to know what to do with it?  Since itl' doesn't, it just drops is on the floor.o  F Anyway, try getting the Kerberized connection going on your local net.I If you have trouble with that, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu.o7 Then we'll worry about making it work between networks.v   - Franki   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:54:42 +0100i" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>+ Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10i5 Message-ID: <as5sak$o71m0$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>,    In the Netherlands: www.wetec.nl  < "Mike Knowles" <mike@quotelinedirect.com> schreef in bericht7 news:4f0b9322.0211280916.3845b54b@posting.google.com...w > Hi >eH > Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding second hand or? > refurbished Compaq Alpha kit? I am based in the UK. We want ajB > redundant server for restoration and verification of DLT backups >g > Thanks >r > MK   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:22:26 -0800s& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>+ Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10.* Message-ID: <3DE6DD72.3832F95A@sunset.net>   Yes.E The "Big Cheese" at Island Co., a Sir David Turner, Esq., is a formers Limey.   TomC     "Mark E. Levy" wrote:  > 0 > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message5 > news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGGGCAA.tom@kednos.com...y > > http://www.islandco.com/ > N > He said he was in the UK. Are you certain that Island has an export license? >  > > >-----Original Message-----r9 > > >From: Mike Knowles [mailto:mike@quotelinedirect.com]n. > > >Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:16 AM > > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, > > >Subject: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 > > >  > > >s > > >Hin > > >dK > > >Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding second hand or B > > >refurbished Compaq Alpha kit? I am based in the UK. We want aE > > >redundant server for restoration and verification of DLT backups  > > >  > > >Thanksa > > >o > > >MKo > > >  > > >---+ > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.s? > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).eF > > >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 > > >1 > > ---M* > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).E > > Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/20022 > >4   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:49:47 +0000u' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk>o+ Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10"2 Message-ID: <281120022049471286%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  B In article <4f0b9322.0211280916.3845b54b@posting.google.com>, Mike) Knowles <mike@quotelinedirect.com> wrote:s   > Hi > H > Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding second hand or? > refurbished Compaq Alpha kit? I am based in the UK. We want alB > redundant server for restoration and verification of DLT backups >  > Thanks   try debbie@abacus-computing.com http://www.abacus-computing.comn  G I have not bought anything from them yet, but they seem well priced and 
 competent.  G oops! they seem to have had a Flash nightmare on their website. If youra browser barfs, their phone number is 0118 9403111   Elliott1   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.659 ************************