1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 30 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 661       Contents:6 Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server.6 Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server.6 Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server.6 Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server.6 Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server., Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ?, Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? Re: DCL and quotation marks!$ Re: DS10 VMS 7.3-1 DECW$SERVER crash Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium Re: Endianity of Itanium) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ) RE: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org 3 RE: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability 3 RE: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability ; Re: NY LUG meeting - Disaster Tolerant Technologies from HP ; Re: NY LUG meeting - Disaster Tolerant Technologies from HP @ Re: Problem with HSZ50 (access to the CLI from the console port)& Re: Question about V7.2-2 distribution& Re: Question about V7.2-2 distribution" Question about V7.2-2 distribution& Re: Question about V7.2-2 distribution& Re: Question about V7.2-2 distribution& Re: Question about V7.2-2 distribution& Re: Question about V7.2-2 distribution& Re: Reason to use MMS instead of MMK ? Re: SRM for multiboot  Re: SRM for multiboot  Using old VRT19-HA Monitor Re: Using old VRT19-HA Monitor" Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 Re: Xdvi and eXcursions   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:04:01 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> ? Subject: Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server. / Message-ID: <uuf3vhaeilo493@corp.supernews.com>    Hans Aus wrote:    > Peter and Jan-Erik,  > H > Does this mean that I don't need either Pathworks or Advanced Server? G > My understanding of the Samba-VMS Faq is that Samba is only a client   > and requires Pathworks.    Nope, that's not correct.    > Our objective: > " > Setup a Open VMS directory where( > 1) our Alpha writes a text file, which> > 2) the PCs detect and read as input to their PC program, and > 3) delete the VMS text file. > 7 > I would prefer to use only Samba, if that's possible.   @ Yep, that's exactly right.  Samba is all you need, no Pathworks.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:12:19 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ? Subject: Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server. ' Message-ID: <3DE791E3.E85386D6@aaa.com>   B Actualy, I'm right now struggling to get my new Samba installation? (Samba 2.2.4. VMS 7.3) to accept a NET VIEW command from my PC. C Only one VMS server and one PC on the whole net right now (a "home"  net).    I'm more or less lost...6 I'v checked most checklist that I'v been able to find.  ; So, Hans, when you have got Samba running, I'd like to know  how you did it. :-)    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Roy Omond wrote: >  > Hans Aus wrote:  > > 9 > > I would prefer to use only Samba, if that's possible.  > B > Yep, that's exactly right.  Samba is all you need, no Pathworks. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:57:40 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server. 4 Message-ID: <82UF9.176569$up.1820577@news.chello.at>  n In article <aus-83D08A.16374029112002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes:J >Does this mean that I don't need either Pathworks or Advanced Server? My G >understanding of the Samba-VMS Faq is that Samba is only a client and   >requires Pathworks.  K No. SAMBA is just like PATHWORKS and/or Advanced Server a LANMAN compatible L file and printserver (PWRK V5 is just like Win95 a LanMan V2 implementation,A PWRK V6 is just like NT3.51 a LanMan V3 implementation and so on)   F SAMBA (unlike PATHWORKS and/or Advanced Server) contains also a LanManJ client utility with which you can access files (but not whole dirs/shares)) on another LanMan server (eg. NT server).    >Our objective:  > " >Setup a Open VMS directory where ' >1) our Alpha writes a text file, which > >2) the PCs detect and read as input to their PC program, and  >3) delete the VMS text file.  > 6 >I would prefer to use only Samba, if that's possible.   SAMBA would be ok then. B (If this files should reside not on OpenVMS, SAMBA is even a must)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:50:42 +0100 ) From: Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> ? Subject: Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server. B Message-ID: <aus-DBA785.06504230112002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  C Many thanks to everyone for the help. It seems I misunderstood the   following in the Samba-VMS FAQ:    "INTRO4.   ... ?      SAMBA can be used as a client on a system with a Pathworks       server.   ..."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:54:04 +0100 ) From: Hans Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> ? Subject: Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server. B Message-ID: <aus-E4FE9D.06540430112002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  ' In article <3DE791E3.E85386D6@aaa.com>, (  Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:  D > Actualy, I'm right now struggling to get my new Samba installationA > (Samba 2.2.4. VMS 7.3) to accept a NET VIEW command from my PC. E > Only one VMS server and one PC on the whole net right now (a "home"  > net).     > The newest version is 2.2.7 on http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:09:25 -0800 - From: Marc Chametzky <marc+spam@bluevine.net> 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? * Message-ID: <3de7c968$1@baja.bluevine.net>  ? > How does the system respond to the command LICENSE GENERATE ?   J On my V7.2-1 system, the command LICENSE REGISTER/GENERATE works with our  existing PAKGEN pak.   --Marc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:36:21 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? ' Message-ID: <3DE7CFC5.ED6268C3@aaa.com>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: 2 > Do you have access to the freeware VERB utility?    ; Yes I have, and, yes, I'v already checked the LICENSE verb. > I didn't saw anything special. The GENERATE command is there :   $ verb license   define verb LICENSE     image LMF    parameter P1, label=COMMAND+       value (required,type=COMMAND_OPTIONS)    define type COMMAND_OPTIONS  [snip]+    keyword GENERATE, syntax=GENERATE_SYNTAX    [snip]   define syntax GENERATE_SYNTAX     image PAK$DIR:PAK$USER.EXE     parameter P1, label=COMMAND+       value (required,type=COMMAND_OPTIONS)     noqualifiers   1 but also the LICENSE REGISTER /GENERATE variant :    define syntax REGISTER_SYNTAX  [snip]    qualifier GENERATE     # What did you expect to find there ?   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2002 08:28:31 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? 3 Message-ID: <y8VwbYhMo8Kh@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <rdeininger-2911020759360001@1cust212.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:2 > In article <3DE74387.90E52A69@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik3 > =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:  >  >>Hi. 2 >>A client is running "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" on an8 >>old VAX 4000. What are the alternatives in this case ?* >>They have a number of Alpha VMS systems.) >>Have anyone tried to VEST the PAK GEN ?  >>3 >>Or is there a native Alpha version of this tool ?  > L > Starting with VMS 7.3 (IIRC), there is a PAKGEN facility included with VMS  & I thought 7.2-1, but I could be wrong.  I > on alpha.  You need a PAKGEN PAK to use it.  Customers can get a PAKGEN J > PAK which allows generation of PAKs with a specific, registered PRODUCER, > (and/or ISSUER, I don't remember exactly).  A Producer AND Issuer.  Their existing PAKGEN PAK should work fine.   J > Customers who join the former CSA program, now DSPP, can register to use  . But they will need the documentation from CSA.  I > PAKGEN.  I don't know about the costs, but I believe it is MUCH cheaper  > than the old VAX PAKGEN.   Yes, as in free to CSA members.   R > http://www.hp.com/dspp  -- seems to require javascript, so it's invisible to me.  : That is too bad.  CSA had just been cured of that problem.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:04:32 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? ' Message-ID: <3DE79010.187A557B@aaa.com>    OK.   What does "included with" mean ?   On the distribution CD's ? Or actualy installed on disk ?  	 Jan-Erik.    Robert Deininger wrote:  > L > Starting with VMS 7.3 (IIRC), there is a PAKGEN facility included with VMS > on alpha.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2002 09:19:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? 3 Message-ID: <KvEDHBg4k3+G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3DE79010.187A557B@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  > OK. " > What does "included with" mean ? >  > On the distribution CD's ?  > Or actualy installed on disk ?   The latter.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:54:49 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? ' Message-ID: <3DE79BD9.1B4A65BE@aaa.com>    OK. = I have a 7.2-1 system but found nothing called *LMF* or *PAC*  that looked promising.  $ Any pointers to what to search for ?  	 Jan-Erik.    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > e > In article <3DE79010.187A557B@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  > > OK. $ > > What does "included with" mean ? > >  > > On the distribution CD's ?" > > Or actualy installed on disk ? > 
 > The latter.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:14:25 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? K Message-ID: <rdeininger-2911021214250001@1cust128.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   0 In article <3DE79BD9.1B4A65BE@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik1 =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:    >OK.> >I have a 7.2-1 system but found nothing called *LMF* or *PAC* >that looked promising.  > % >Any pointers to what to search for ?   = How does the system respond to the command LICENSE GENERATE ?   H That's where the functionality resides in later versions of VMS.  But onH my home V7.3 system, some pieces are not where they are expected to be. C Since I've never seen the docs, I don't know what further steps are 	 required.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:38:20 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? ' Message-ID: <3DE7A60C.9188B9CB@aaa.com>   	 $ lic gen < %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image PAK$DIR:PAK$USER.EXE8 -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file PAK$DIR:[SYSEXE]PAK$USER.EXE;A -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for 	 operation  $   	 Jan-Erik.    Robert Deininger wrote:  > ? > How does the system respond to the command LICENSE GENERATE ?  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:35:47 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? 4 Message-ID: <DJTF9.176026$up.1818387@news.chello.at>  S In article <00A17B43.44AA6A07@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: d >In article <3DE7A60C.9188B9CB@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: >>$ lic gen > >>%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image PAK$DIR:PAK$USER.EXE: >>-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file PAK$DIR:[SYSEXE]PAK$USER.EXE;C >>-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for  >>operation  > 1 >Do you have access to the freeware VERB utility?    Yes. And what now ?   L I do not see, how this helps me explain where the PAK$DIR logical comes from6 or where on the system disk a PAK$USER.EXE is located.  K So I still think, that the LICENSE GENERATE (and LICENSE REGISTER/GENERATE) F verb is defined in pure VMS but the PAK generator itself is a separate installable kit...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2002 19:23:09 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? 3 Message-ID: <OlMZ8St3Z6P0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <DJTF9.176026$up.1818387@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:   M > So I still think, that the LICENSE GENERATE (and LICENSE REGISTER/GENERATE) H > verb is defined in pure VMS but the PAK generator itself is a separate > installable kit...  C The old PAK generator was a separate kit.  The new one is built in. @ You can get instructions for the new one from the same folks who8 give you your PAK for the product PAKGEN (producer DEC).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:28:57 -0500 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? / Message-ID: <uug8ja5hh0ljb7@news.supernews.com>   3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3DE74387.90E52A69@aaa.com...  > Hi. 2 > A client is running "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" on an8 > old VAX 4000. What are the alternatives in this case ?* > They have a number of Alpha VMS systems.) > Have anyone tried to VEST the PAK GEN ?  > 3 > Or is there a native Alpha version of this tool ?  >   G That specific tool isn't available on Alpha.  However, if you're a DSPP H member you can get a PAKGEN license and generate license PAKs with newerL versions of OpenVMS (I think 7.2 or higher).  If you really want to continueJ using the old PAKGEN stuff, you can VEST it and it works.  I'm not sure of the legal issues involved.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:20:05 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: Alternatives to "DEC LMF PAK GEN V1.3" ? 0 Message-ID: <00A17B43.44AA6A07@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <3DE7A60C.9188B9CB@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: 
 >$ lic gen= >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image PAK$DIR:PAK$USER.EXE 9 >-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file PAK$DIR:[SYSEXE]PAK$USER.EXE; B >-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for
 >operation >$   > 
 >Jan-Erik.  0 Do you have access to the freeware VERB utility?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:01:28 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: DCL and quotation marks! 5 Message-ID: <1POF9.19491$H67.88715@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   L Use 2 double-quotes in place of one, in a string delimited by double-quotes.F Don't forget starting/ending double-quote when that may mean writing 3 double-quotes in a row $ say:=write sys$output  $ say " ""a "" "  "a " 
 $ say """a"""  "a"  $   	 Have fun!      --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  D "Roose Chua" <roose_chua@yahoo.com> a crit dans le message de news:2 127ddcff.0211282327.61a4c428@posting.google.com... > Hi folks,  > E > I've been searching for days now on how to go about with my problem E > and it seems that I have been stucked without the correct solution.  > G > What I am trying to do is to create a DCL procedure using another DCL G > procedure. What I would like to be the final file would be like this:  >  > $ testsym = "test"1 > $ write sys$output "This is just a ''testsym'."  > $ exit > 2 > What my initial procedure that did this is like: > $ > $ open/write testfile testfile.com) > $ write testfile "$ testsym = ""test""" 1 > $ write testfile "$ This is just a ''testsym'."  > $ write testfile "$ exit"  > $ close testfile > $ exit > B > However, this does not produce the result that I wanted to have. > " > Thanks in advance for your help! > Roose    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 01:29:24 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: DS10 VMS 7.3-1 DECW$SERVER crash 4 Message-ID: <UvUF9.177292$up.1823108@news.chello.at>  W In article <3DE7ACDC.A919FD4C@fi.upm.es>, "Juan C. Blanco" <jcblanco@fi.upm.es> writes: ? >Hello, I've installed VMS v7.3-1 on a DS10 test system and the H >DECW$SERVER crash when a user logs out (using the exit button) from the
 >CDE session.  > E >I've applied all patches to this version of VMS, I can reproduce the D >crash if start some X applications from other systems displaying onF >the DS10 server, the DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG reports an ACCVIO error. > : >We are using also Multinet V4.4 with all current patches. > C >I've revised the protection of the [.DT] directory of the user and  >all seems right.  > F >Using "decw$startup restart" starts a new server and the login screen. >but don't accept any keystroke on the window. >  >Any ideas ?   Idea ? Yes. Solution ? No.  G Delete the [.DT] directory and recreate it (ie. customize CDE again)...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:27:31 +0100 % From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>  Subject: Endianity of Itanium , Message-ID: <3de7c20d$1@news.swissonline.ch>   Hello,  I does the Itanium plattform have the same endianity as alpha (tru64, vms):  little endian?   best regards   Jakob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:09:10 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 2 Message-ID: <V7idnQdfk50yknWgXTWcoQ@metrocast.net>  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A17B43.90423D49@SendSpamHere.ORG...< > In article <3de7c20d$1@news.swissonline.ch>, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> writes: 	 > >Hello,  > > L > >does the Itanium plattform have the same endianity as alpha (tru64, vms): > >little endian?  > >  > >best regards  > >  > >Jakob > ' > Itanium has any endium you preferium.   J Great news!  My preference for its endium is soonium rather than laterium.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:11:20 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 2 Message-ID: <6-icnRkLdaKsjXWgXTWcrg@metrocast.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3DE7E91E.11542C9A@vl.videotron.ca... # > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: ) > > Itanium has any endium you preferium.  > F > Do bi chips have any "preference" for either endium in terms of core > design/performance ?  I I'm pretty certain that some (e.g., PPC) do, but am unacquainted with the  details.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2002 12:42:59 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 3 Message-ID: <0KZkYd5D4OB9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3de7c20d$1@news.swissonline.ch>, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> writes: > Hello, > K > does the Itanium plattform have the same endianity as alpha (tru64, vms):  > little endian?  / It has the same endianity as Alpha - bi-endian.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:22:12 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 0 Message-ID: <00A17B43.90423D49@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <3de7c20d$1@news.swissonline.ch>, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> writes: >Hello,  > J >does the Itanium plattform have the same endianity as alpha (tru64, vms): >little endian?  > 
 >best regards  >  >Jakob  % Itanium has any endium you preferium.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:24:31 -0500 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium / Message-ID: <3DE7E91E.11542C9A@vl.videotron.ca>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: ' > Itanium has any endium you preferium.   D Do bi chips have any "preference" for either endium in terms of core design/performance ?  M In other words, would alpha perform just as well in either endian, or was the M chip/architecture tuned to perform better with little endian since all the oS % that run on Alpha are little endian ?   J Similarly, is the bloated IA64 performing better as big endian (for HP) or. little endian (for the rest of the world) ????   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:33:29 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 0 Message-ID: <00A17B5E.48D30D3D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <3DE7E91E.11542C9A@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:( >> Itanium has any endium you preferium. > E >Do bi chips have any "preference" for either endium in terms of core  >design/performance ?  > N >In other words, would alpha perform just as well in either endian, or was theN >chip/architecture tuned to perform better with little endian since all the oS& >that run on Alpha are little endian ? > K >Similarly, is the bloated IA64 performing better as big endian (for HP) or / >little endian (for the rest of the world) ????     K Please!  I can imagine suffering through an SDA session with all matter and L sorts of register mappings will be difficult enough.  Please don't give themL any ideas that will make this transition even more like the house just drop-$ ped on the wicked witch of the east.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:45:48 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org' Message-ID: <3DE7A7CC.2698C3D5@fsi.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Bill,  > H > >>> Competing with the rest of the world, for the first time since theH > Industrial Revolution really took hold here (and in many cases for the > first time ever).<<  > I > Yep, everyone is having to compete globally and for many, that is a new I > experience. And individual Govt's are becoming much less of a factor in & > trying to control what is happening.  C I'll agree in so far as it does appear that national boundaries are D having less and less meaning, except where war is concerned. I can't2 agree with it, put I am powerless to influence it.  ? > A few examples that are a bit closer to home (at least for us  > Northerners) - > H > - recent software lumber dispute between US and Canada appears to be aI > logging issue. However, while both sides likely have valid points, home H > builders in US have stated that they estimate is that it is costing USJ > citizens something like an additional $2k for every new house built. So,D > all US citizens are paying more to protect special interest lumber > industries in the US.   G On the other hand, restrictions put on developers and builders by local C governments currently contribute 35% or more to the cost of a newly G built home here in the metropolitan area. Profit motivation contributes B almost 25%. So, it's easy to see what the U.S. worker is trying toD "compete with": living in a hole in the ground vs. living in comfort
 with dignity.   A > - recent US TV show (20/20 ?? Can't remember) interviewed a few H > previously US based candy companies and asked them why they had pickedJ > up and relocated lock, stock and barrel to Canada. Number one reason wasD > cost of sugar in the US and the fact that 60% of the cost of theirF > products was sugar. Because of import duties on sugar and high sugarC > cost in the US, these companies were finding they could no longer E > compete with global competitors. So, US citizens are paying more to J > protect special interest Sugar groups in the US and now it is costing US > jobs.   H The Almighty Dollar - perhaps explains why its minions (the like of Bill, Gates and others) are worshipped as deities.  G > Right or wrong, imho, the globalization and competitive nature of all E > future businesses is only going to increase. The more Govt's try to  > coddle  G Both you and Bill have used the word "coddle". So let's explore that...   C My Dad's first job (as head of a household, not as a teenager) paid @ somewhere on the order of $0.12/hr. The family paid $8,800 for aC hell-hole of a home when he was making $0.65/hr. as a machinist for H International Harvester. Including compound interest that works out to -F what, about 12 year's wages for a home? (...a home that he would spendG the next 15 years making livable in his "copious spare time"? Imagine a H home that had an oil-fired water heater not connected to a chimney. At aB time when "the boys" were coming back from "over there", they were' extremely fortunate to find even that!)   / We won't even talk about the cost of new car...   , Let's look at the facts and figures today...  G The median home price in this area here is in excess of $225,000 (don't H have exact figures handy - sorry; I know I'll get shot full of holes forH that, but so be it). The median household income for workers employed inE this area, on the other hand, is less than $50,000. According to most F lenders' guidelines, that means that average area wroker cannot affordC the average area home. So, folks who work here can't afford to live  here.   B Rather explains why we have people commuting 50-100 miles each wayD today, doesn't it? ...and why the roads are jammed with cars insteadG having streetcars and buses jammed with commuters like our folks had...   G Dunno 'bout you, but this situation hardly constitutes "coddling" in my  book.   F To me, the "coddled" are the top 1% of the work force who can actuallyC afford the new housing going up out here. Believe me, we're looking E (again!) and it's getting damned difficult to find anything decent at D under $400,000 (about six years' wages for me, eighteen years' wagesA when you allow for compound interest - not to mention that such a F payment would require a household income of roughly half that amount -B or roughly four times the average income of area wage-earners - to& qualify by most lenders' guidelines).   + So, let's keep our perspectives straight...   A > specific groups with protectionist policies, the more they will  > hurt other citizens.  A Specific group - American "blue collar" workers (including hourly F clerical and service industry workers), roughly 70%+ of the work forceD (check the bureau of labor statistics). I wonder how "specific" that
 really is?  5 > I would certainly not depend on any Govt to protect  > my job in the future.   B I doubt anyone does that now. Within our lifetimes, some companiesG protected their own work force, knowing what it takes to develop a good H worker vs. trying to develop new workers to replace them at lower wages.E Retention used to be company policy. Now, it's listed as a liability. E Not sure why. Guess it's cheaper to "throw money at" the work/quality H issue and have high-turnover than to address it once and be done with it for five to ten years or more.  H > One only has to look at the recent events in Europe i.e.. establishingB > common currency, eliminating some of the trade bureaucracy    ofI > individual countries to see that they are very much in tune to becoming & > much more competitive in the future.  E Too bad the political landscape doesn't match the economic landscape. E Perhaps someday, there will be no more "countries", just "Terra - One E People", though stopping the religious squabbling that has shaped the B human history of this world will be an even greater challenge than? stopping territorial disputes, which are frequently religiously 
 motivated.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:46:34 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.orgK Message-ID: <e7SF9.213184$MGm1.205149@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message4 news:lYQF9.88163$8D.2119139@twister.austin.rr.com... > : G > : I'll agree in so far as it does appear that national boundaries are H > : having less and less meaning, except where war is concerned. I can't6 > : agree with it, put I am powerless to influence it. > :  > 0 > The U.S. has the bst government money can buy. > F > And it's going to cost less to buy it, since the Democratic Party isG > losing contributions from corporations who used to support both major 
 > parties: > H >    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43694-2002Nov26.htmlA >    Big Business's Funding Shift Boosts GOP (washingtonpost.com)  > 1 >   "Trend May Put Squeeze On Democrats' Finances  >  >    By Thomas B. Edsall! >    Washington Post Staff Writer + >    Wednesday, November 27, 2002; Page A01  > H >    Major industries such as accounting, aerospace, commercial banking,H >    defense, HMOs and pharmaceuticals have abandoned their tradition ofK >    bipartisan campaign contributions in favor of a commitment to the GOP, K >    a trend that could deepen the problems of a Democratic Party rocked by  >    this month's elections. > J >    An analysis of political donations by industry groups shows that overH >    the past decade, 19 major sectors have shifted from a roughly 50-50G >    split between the two main parties -- or in some cases, a slightly K >    pro-Democratic tilt -- to a solid alignment with the Republican Party, K >    which now enjoys advantages exceeding 5 to 1 in some of these sectors. J >    The shift has produced at least $78 million in additional GOP supportG >    from these groups over 10 years, while donations to Democrats have  >    declined slightly.  >  >    [snip]   L The GOP is just getting started. Just wait until unions are banned by an act? of Congress, OSHA standards are relaxed, and the EPA is gutted.   F It'll be full circle back to the days of when Ford hired goons to beatJ workers who were trying to organize, workers getting sick from their placeH of employment, and their kids breathing coal dust and sulphur-laden air.  K But by then, courtesy of the Department of Homeland Security, each of those E on a picket line or who is trying to organize for better pay, medical J benefits, better working contitions, and so on, will have a dossier in theK database labelling them as troublemakers and a threat to national security.  Try to get a job then.  ' McCarthy couldn't have done any better.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:13:23 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 2 Subject: RE: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.orgT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660BB1@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  % Well, at the risk of going way OT ...   / >>> and why the roads are jammed with cars ..>>e   Is this a good thing ?  G Some countries have realized that mass transit is the way of the futurevB as everyone driving to work by themselves in a single car and thenE complaining about the price of gas, parking shortages, global warmingv$ etc etc can only go on for so long..  G In Canada, we complain with great bitterness when gas gets to be $.75/LNH or higher. Of course, the folks in other parts of the globe would likelyH love to have the price of gas even close to $.75/L. However, it does notF stop us from filling up normally or change our driving habits. Look at$ the soaring SUV sales these days.=20  G While I do not necessarily agree with the trend, I suspect this move toeE offshore resources is going to better balance the +'s and -'s betweenFG many countries. One can certainly not blame other countries for wantingE. what the Western world has had for many years.  ) What impact will have on workers here?=20i  F Well, I suspect security concerns in the future will cause the currentA trend to use off shore resources to slow drastically, but it willeF definitely continue. Who knows - perhaps in the future, IT workers mayH have to look at relocating to not only other parts of their country, butG rather other parts of the globe. We have already seen the start of thisb with a few posts to this NG.  H Having worked (albeit short 1-3 week terms) in many different countries,G I can say that having an improved global view of how things are done inm5 other countries is a definite plus on your resume.=20e  G >>> The Almighty Dollar - perhaps explains why its minions (the like ofV5 Bill Gates and others) are worshipped as deities. <<<   > Well, while we like to make fun of BG, a recent radio show wasB discussing what private individuals have donated the most of theirF personal wealth to charities and community services. BG was first withF $22B and the next individual was not even close - came in at somethingH like $6B. And apparently, BG has stated that there will be a huge amount more when he decides to retire.-   Regards-  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant- Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesm Voice: 613-592-4660b Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)a       -----Original Message-----9 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]=20e  Sent: November 29, 2002 12:46 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org     "Main, Kerry" wrote: >=20 > Bill,r >=20H > >>> Competing with the rest of the world, for the first time since theH > Industrial Revolution really took hold here (and in many cases for the   > first time ever).<<t >=20H > Yep, everyone is having to compete globally and for many, that is a=20F > new experience. And individual Govt's are becoming much less of a=200 > factor in trying to control what is happening.  C I'll agree in so far as it does appear that national boundaries are2D having less and less meaning, except where war is concerned. I can't2 agree with it, put I am powerless to influence it.  ? > A few examples that are a bit closer to home (at least for usc > Northerners) - >=20H > - recent software lumber dispute between US and Canada appears to be a  G > logging issue. However, while both sides likely have valid points,=20lE > home builders in US have stated that they estimate is that it is=20cG > costing US citizens something like an additional $2k for every new=20 H > house built. So, all US citizens are paying more to protect special=20' > interest lumber industries in the US.A  G On the other hand, restrictions put on developers and builders by local C governments currently contribute 35% or more to the cost of a newlykG built home here in the metropolitan area. Profit motivation contributes4B almost 25%. So, it's easy to see what the U.S. worker is trying toD "compete with": living in a hole in the ground vs. living in comfort
 with dignity.2  D > - recent US TV show (20/20 ?? Can't remember) interviewed a few=20H > previously US based candy companies and asked them why they had picked  I > up and relocated lock, stock and barrel to Canada. Number one reason=20iH > was cost of sugar in the US and the fact that 60% of the cost of their  I > products was sugar. Because of import duties on sugar and high sugar=20cF > cost in the US, these companies were finding they could no longer=20H > compete with global competitors. So, US citizens are paying more to=20J > protect special interest Sugar groups in the US and now it is costing=20
 > US jobs.  H The Almighty Dollar - perhaps explains why its minions (the like of Bill, Gates and others) are worshipped as deities.  J > Right or wrong, imho, the globalization and competitive nature of all=20H > future businesses is only going to increase. The more Govt's try to=20 > coddle  G Both you and Bill have used the word "coddle". So let's explore that...h  C My Dad's first job (as head of a household, not as a teenager) paide@ somewhere on the order of $0.12/hr. The family paid $8,800 for aC hell-hole of a home when he was making $0.65/hr. as a machinist fortH International Harvester. Including compound interest that works out to -F what, about 12 year's wages for a home? (...a home that he would spendG the next 15 years making livable in his "copious spare time"? Imagine a H home that had an oil-fired water heater not connected to a chimney. At aB time when "the boys" were coming back from "over there", they were' extremely fortunate to find even that!)e  / We won't even talk about the cost of new car...   , Let's look at the facts and figures today...  G The median home price in this area here is in excess of $225,000 (don't-H have exact figures handy - sorry; I know I'll get shot full of holes forH that, but so be it). The median household income for workers employed inE this area, on the other hand, is less than $50,000. According to mostdF lenders' guidelines, that means that average area wroker cannot affordC the average area home. So, folks who work here can't afford to live  here.n  B Rather explains why we have people commuting 50-100 miles each wayD today, doesn't it? ...and why the roads are jammed with cars insteadG having streetcars and buses jammed with commuters like our folks had....  G Dunno 'bout you, but this situation hardly constitutes "coddling" in my1 book.   F To me, the "coddled" are the top 1% of the work force who can actuallyC afford the new housing going up out here. Believe me, we're lookinguE (again!) and it's getting damned difficult to find anything decent atRD under $400,000 (about six years' wages for me, eighteen years' wagesA when you allow for compound interest - not to mention that such a-F payment would require a household income of roughly half that amount -B or roughly four times the average income of area wage-earners - to( qualify by most lenders' guidelines).=20  + So, let's keep our perspectives straight...d  I > specific groups with protectionist policies, the more they will hurt=20  > other citizens.s  A Specific group - American "blue collar" workers (including hourlyaF clerical and service industry workers), roughly 70%+ of the work forceD (check the bureau of labor statistics). I wonder how "specific" that
 really is?  5 > I would certainly not depend on any Govt to protect  > my job in the future.=  B I doubt anyone does that now. Within our lifetimes, some companiesG protected their own work force, knowing what it takes to develop a goodiH worker vs. trying to develop new workers to replace them at lower wages.E Retention used to be company policy. Now, it's listed as a liability.qE Not sure why. Guess it's cheaper to "throw money at" the work/qualitykH issue and have high-turnover than to address it once and be done with it for five to ten years or more.  H > One only has to look at the recent events in Europe i.e.. establishingB > common currency, eliminating some of the trade bureaucracy    ofC > individual countries to see that they are very much in tune to=20r/ > becoming much more competitive in the future.a  E Too bad the political landscape doesn't match the economic landscape.mE Perhaps someday, there will be no more "countries", just "Terra - OneKE People", though stopping the religious squabbling that has shaped theeB human history of this world will be an even greater challenge than? stopping territorial disputes, which are frequently religiouslyo
 motivated.   --=20  David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  H Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:15:21 -0600s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>D2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org' Message-ID: <3DE84969.B12CEBED@fsi.net>K   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > ' > Well, at the risk of going way OT ...g > 1 > >>> and why the roads are jammed with cars ..>>d >  > Is this a good thing ?  C Rather depends. ARe a member of - or paid by - the petroleum lobby?a  I > Some countries have realized that mass transit is the way of the futurepD > as everyone driving to work by themselves in a single car and thenG > complaining about the price of gas, parking shortages, global warming-& > etc etc can only go on for so long..  C Here in the states, they'll still be studying mass transit 50 yearsl after it becomes a moot point.  I > In Canada, we complain with great bitterness when gas gets to be $.75/LaJ > or higher. Of course, the folks in other parts of the globe would likelyJ > love to have the price of gas even close to $.75/L. However, it does notH > stop us from filling up normally or change our driving habits. Look at# > the soaring SUV sales these days.-  @ Give the public a solid, reasonably safe-feeling car with enoughH acceleration to get out of its own way and you might see that trend that  shift a bit - MAYBE, just maybe.  I > While I do not necessarily agree with the trend, I suspect this move to>G > offshore resources is going to better balance the +'s and -'s between I > many countries. One can certainly not blame other countries for wantingt0 > what the Western world has had for many years.  F Wanting? No, can't balem them. Seeing as their due? For what? Years of@ poverty? Are we less deserving for what our forebearers endured?  ( > What impact will have on workers here? > H > Well, I suspect security concerns in the future will cause the current7 > trend to use off shore resources to slow drastically,.  ; "somewhat" may be more realistic, but equally optimistic...   
 > but it will H > definitely continue. Who knows - perhaps in the future, IT workers mayJ > have to look at relocating to not only other parts of their country, butI > rather other parts of the globe. We have already seen the start of thisk > with a few posts to this NG. > J > Having worked (albeit short 1-3 week terms) in many different countries,I > I can say that having an improved global view of how things are done inM4 > other countries is a definite plus on your resume.  I > >>> The Almighty Dollar - perhaps explains why its minions (the like ofa7 > Bill Gates and others) are worshipped as deities. <<<o > @ > Well, while we like to make fun of BG, a recent radio show wasD > discussing what private individuals have donated the most of theirH > personal wealth to charities and community services. BG was first with > $22B  * Is that a current-year number or lifetime?  C > and the next individual was not even close - came in at somethingeJ > like $6B. And apparently, BG has stated that there will be a huge amount! > more when he decides to retire.   G Ah. Another Rockefeller or Carnegie: robber-baron in life who built his G emire on the backs of under-paid slaves, immortal philanthropist in theA eyes of posterity.   --   David J. Dachterag dba DJE Systems1 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/I   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:05:10 -0500c* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org2 Message-ID: <rsCdnXdFsJddk3WgXTWcqA@metrocast.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3DE7A7CC.2698C3D5@fsi.net...  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:   ...e  I > > Right or wrong, imho, the globalization and competitive nature of allgG > > future businesses is only going to increase. The more Govt's try toA
 > > coddle >eI > Both you and Bill have used the word "coddle". So let's explore that...B >aE > My Dad's first job (as head of a household, not as a teenager) paid B > somewhere on the order of $0.12/hr. The family paid $8,800 for aE > hell-hole of a home when he was making $0.65/hr. as a machinist forSJ > International Harvester. Including compound interest that works out to -H > what, about 12 year's wages for a home? (...a home that he would spendI > the next 15 years making livable in his "copious spare time"? Imagine a J > home that had an oil-fired water heater not connected to a chimney. At aD > time when "the boys" were coming back from "over there", they were) > extremely fortunate to find even that!)e >a1 > We won't even talk about the cost of new car...  >e. > Let's look at the facts and figures today... >mI > The median home price in this area here is in excess of $225,000 (don't J > have exact figures handy - sorry; I know I'll get shot full of holes forJ > that, but so be it). The median household income for workers employed inG > this area, on the other hand, is less than $50,000. According to most H > lenders' guidelines, that means that average area wroker cannot affordE > the average area home. So, folks who work here can't afford to live  > here.I  G Yes, they can:  even if some lenders are too stupid to understand how a H near-$50K income can be budgeted to pay off the mortgage on a $225K home= (especially in these low-interest-rate times), others aren't.   K You seem to completely fail to appreciate the dramatic improvement from theaJ 12+ years of wages it took your father to buy what you call a hell-hole toD the 5 or so years of wages it takes a current family to buy a prettyJ comfortable abode.  That's got to be an *absolute* improvement of a factorI of *at least* 4x in the standard of living, and here you are acting as ifJ it's the absolute pits.a  L No one is happy losing ground.  But it happens, and with increasingly globalJ competition it will *continue* to happen.  It's probably not going to takeG us back to the same conditions your dad faced (and triumphed over), buteL unless we (and this means our institutions and corporations at least as muchJ as our work force:  *everyone* is involved) get our acts together and keepG generating work that *can't* easily be exported we're headed for harderc times.   >hD > Rather explains why we have people commuting 50-100 miles each wayF > today, doesn't it? ...and why the roads are jammed with cars insteadI > having streetcars and buses jammed with commuters like our folks had...-  H Another reflection of our relative prosperity:  as you noted above, cars were once a definite luxury.   >"I > Dunno 'bout you, but this situation hardly constitutes "coddling" in my  > book.c  D The only 'coddling' is in attempts to preserve (or, worse, appear toF preserve or suggest the possibility of preserving) the status quo whenK irresistable economic forces are in the process of changing it.  Facing theRI problem and finding ways to accommodate to the new realities are the only 4 ways we'll get ourselves to a more palatable future.   >hH > To me, the "coddled" are the top 1% of the work force who can actually+ > afford the new housing going up out here.   L The difference is that it's not the gov'mint that's coddling them:  it's theF imbalances in the system (yes, the gov'mint has some responsibility toI address these as well, but that's an *internal* matter as distinct from -s; essentially impotent - attempts at external protectionism).o    Believe me, we're lookingG > (again!) and it's getting damned difficult to find anything decent atlF > under $400,000 (about six years' wages for me, eighteen years' wagesC > when you allow for compound interest - not to mention that such a H > payment would require a household income of roughly half that amount -D > or roughly four times the average income of area wage-earners - to' > qualify by most lenders' guidelines).s >h- > So, let's keep our perspectives straight...   L Your perspective seems to be simply that you're hurting.  But you don't seemK to have a clue about exactly why, or what effective steps might be possiblet to change the situation.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2002 08:24:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: RE: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability3 Message-ID: <XkhYgIXOEFuE@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9974@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > H >>>> and try to make a crosscompiler image running on OpenVMS Alpha. You/ > will be impressed of the performance then.<<<s > H > As well as not having to worry about the virus and/or hacker attack of* > the day associated with other platforms. > G > If looking to move to a more open (i.e.. not tied to MS) environment,01 > you might want to consider NetBeans on OpenVMS:   ; Kerry, you seem to have missed this from the original post:e   > Domain : Embedded Systems      ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:18:40 -0500c' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> < Subject: RE: Information Needed -Cross Compiler AvailabilityT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9981@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Larry,  # >> > Domain : Embedded Systems  <<<V  A So, embedded systems are not susceptible to the virus of the day?h   :-)e   Regardsn  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantS Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Serviceso Voice: 613-592-4660l Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)s       -----Original Message-----7 From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=20b Sent: November 29, 2002 9:25 AMt To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com?< Subject: RE: Information Needed -Cross Compiler Availability    
 In articleH <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9974@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>+ , "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:@ >=20H >>>> and try to make a crosscompiler image running on OpenVMS Alpha. You/ > will be impressed of the performance then.<<<  >=20H > As well as not having to worry about the virus and/or hacker attack of  * > the day associated with other platforms. >=20J > If looking to move to a more open (i.e.. not tied to MS) environment,=201 > you might want to consider NetBeans on OpenVMS:e  ; Kerry, you seem to have missed this from the original post:     > Domain : Embedded Systems  =20   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2002 13:13:48 -0800+ From: spamdump@mccready.com (Gary McCready)eD Subject: Re: NY LUG meeting - Disaster Tolerant Technologies from HP= Message-ID: <ffd79a6c.0211291313.3b9d27ad@posting.google.com>w  C Well, yes, being able to broadcast the presentation is a good idea, & but it does have some requirements....  D -  Last one person, maybe two, to handle the video and emails during the presentation. E - Enough time, both before the presenation to set things up and test,s@ and afterward, for questions beyond what the local folks will be* asking, and to put everything away nicely.A - Coordination, to make sure that the technology is set up right,d' holes punched in the correct firewalls.oB - Asking the speakers to Ok being broadcasted, and perhaps getting  clearances from their employers.  @ And the above is what popped into my mind withing 5 minutes, not= knowing that much about what it takes to do such a broadcast.n  E As one of the folks putting the event together, I can tell you it waseA hard enough just getting the folks to agree to come in and do thenF presentation, let along to think about setting a web cast up properly.  0 However, if someone would want to petition HP toC - have a "broadcast" kit (laptop, etc.) put together so it could be D overnighted to a presentation location to make this happen as easily  as possible, or even better yet,F - Just simply have a digital video camera that could be sent to recordD the meeting, and then have the cassette sent somewhere post-meeting,2 so the DV could be converted and posted somewhere.  @ For every meeting that we set up, I do try to get the speaker toF "donate" a copy of the slides that are presentated, so that I can post9 them in a "public" location. Members of the list (join atDD http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NYMLUG/) will get an email when I have the info posted.  B Thanks for the idea - hopefully, at some point, someone at HP will make this easy to do.m   --Gary McCreadya0 President, NY Metro Local User Group, Encompass.  u "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<n25F9.169585$YSz1.25561@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...XB > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& > news:as0k7l$i4v$1@web1.cup.hp.com...& > > NY Metro Local Users Group meeting > >1 > > > Thursday, December 12i >  e > > > 5pm to 7pm >  n   <Snip>N > Seems like an obvious presentation for streaming audio/video for those of us > who can't attend in person.w > L > And since it's being held at an HP office with tons of bandwidth availableG > on-site, it would be a 'no brainer' to arrange??? Let's see...PC withwL > Real.com video server, a connected video camera, and a network connection. > L > And having a dedicated e-mail address to receive remote audience questions > during the presentation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:37:43 GMTP# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>tD Subject: Re: NY LUG meeting - Disaster Tolerant Technologies from HPJ Message-ID: <X_RF9.213099$MGm1.62608@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  8 "Gary McCready" <spamdump@mccready.com> wrote in message7 news:ffd79a6c.0211291313.3b9d27ad@posting.google.com...FE > Well, yes, being able to broadcast the presentation is a good idea,r( > but it does have some requirements.... >rF > -  Last one person, maybe two, to handle the video and emails during > the presentation./G > - Enough time, both before the presenation to set things up and test,eB > and afterward, for questions beyond what the local folks will be, > asking, and to put everything away nicely.C > - Coordination, to make sure that the technology is set up right,e) > holes punched in the correct firewalls. D > - Asking the speakers to Ok being broadcasted, and perhaps getting" > clearances from their employers. > B > And the above is what popped into my mind withing 5 minutes, not? > knowing that much about what it takes to do such a broadcast.n >iG > As one of the folks putting the event together, I can tell you it wassC > hard enough just getting the folks to agree to come in and do theaH > presentation, let along to think about setting a web cast up properly. > 2 > However, if someone would want to petition HP toE > - have a "broadcast" kit (laptop, etc.) put together so it could be.F > overnighted to a presentation location to make this happen as easily" > as possible, or even better yet,H > - Just simply have a digital video camera that could be sent to recordF > the meeting, and then have the cassette sent somewhere post-meeting,4 > so the DV could be converted and posted somewhere. >iB > For every meeting that we set up, I do try to get the speaker toH > "donate" a copy of the slides that are presentated, so that I can post; > them in a "public" location. Members of the list (join atnF > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NYMLUG/) will get an email when I have > the info posted. >eD > Thanks for the idea - hopefully, at some point, someone at HP will > make this easy to do.n >i > --Gary McCreadyl2 > President, NY Metro Local User Group, Encompass.     Gary,r  I You raised some interesting observations which would definitely need some F 'due diligence'. My comments below are not directed at you per se, butI rather to those from HP who may still visit this forum from time-to-time.t  L As far as getting permission for 'webcasting' from the speakers/employers, aD simple form that is signed by the presenter and/or employer grantingK permission ought to do the trick. Yes I know that some anal retentive legalpJ department somewhere that doesn't have much to do other than look for waysJ to make life difficult for people would object. But if the speaker has theK blessing to stand in front of a bunch of strangers and talk about what theytH are going to be speaking about, and leaving a copy of their presentationK materials, all we are talking about is a difference in scale - 30 attendeesv( locally vs. 30 locally and 300 remotely.  K The digital video cassette idea is certainly simpler, but lacks the abilitydG to make it interactive. Best to do this sort of thing on a iMac anyway.h  K Not all locales are as fortunate as NYC to have a still active VMS customeruI base, one that is still diverse enough and large enough to have customersgL that are still leading edge. To look at it in a slightly different way, if IL were HP I'd make it a precondition that any event held at HP premises in theK way of a user group meeting was webcast live. But I'm not HP nor do I speakn for them, much as I'd like to.  J Again, if this was quarterbacked by the VMS Ambassador program (read Sue),J then all the firewall hole-punching could be co-ordinated through officialL channels, the gear could arrive via FEDEX box at the specified location, andH the appropriate e-mail accounts set up to receive questions from the VMSL users worldwide. I'd imagine that if the topic were interesting enough, we'dG get the European contingent to stay up late, and the Asia-Pacific users.L would be just rolling into work so it would  be easy for them to participate too.  J 'Taped-delayed broadcast' is good - far better than what exists today, butJ live interactive webcasts are a good idea for a lot of reasons that we allK can imagine. Not all questions may be answered just as at any presentation,   principally for reasons of time.  L Hell, HP may even get some VMS marketing ideas out of these events, not thatI they'd do anything with them though. The obtuse way of looking at this isnL that if for something as low-cost and relatively easy to do as what has beenK suggested in one form or another is NOT done, then there is no hope for VMS  at HP.   John   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:58:35 GMTh9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> I Subject: Re: Problem with HSZ50 (access to the CLI from the console port)f? Message-ID: <0517399d4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   < In message <2178d61f.0211281413.31cbdaa4@posting.google.com>+           nmanser@progis.de (Manser) wrote:.   > Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<9c688a9b4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>... > > Hi,t > > I > > OK, I'll try to remember as much as possible - I worked with an SW300eM > > (RaidArray 450) which uses the same controllers, but with a different busi > > configuration. > 2 > Lot of thanks, that you investige in my Problem. >  > > 7 > > I don't have access to the hardware or manuals now.e > >  > / > I have access to the manuals, (Service Guide)r >    < huge snip>   > > H > > Sorry I can't point to a definite cause. I suspect your system has aL > > different configuration to the one I used, for example, removable cache. > >  > > Good luck, > >  > > Alan > F > i can send you a picture of the server showing how it is configured. > my question is:i > M > suppose the batteries are damaged or flat, does this prevent the controllera > to initialise correctly ?u >  h > thanks for the answers.e  J Since the system behaves the same with terminal disconnected (that bit wasL snipped), I suspect the batteries. I don't know whether a faulty battery can; prevent the controller from booting, but it seems possible.   D If not that, then it would seem that you have the same fault on bothH controllers, which seems somewhat unlikely. (Unless, as I have suggestedK before) a faulty terminal has been connected to each controller in turn andt damaged it.)  L (You also asked about the output during boot - I can't remember the details,H but it was plain text, similar to that output by terminal servers duringI boot. It sounds as though your controllers are failing a self test before + the point where they start to output text.)   J Oh, another thought. The PCMCIA memory cards contain the operating system.L The highest version for HSZ50 wqs V5.7. (I hope I remembered this right. I'mF fairly sure we ran 5.4 for a long time, then 5.7.) Have you got higher. versions? If so, you could get a boot failure.   Alan   -- h
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:09:47 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Re: Question about V7.2-2 distributionnK Message-ID: <rdeininger-2911021709470001@1cust158.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>t  9 In article <00A17B49.7F5E783E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- g @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  L >A customer claims that a product is failing on V7.2-2.  I've looked throughL >all that I've received from Compaq and I don't have a copy of the binaries. >+ >Was this just a H/W release?  2   No, it was a general release..   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:03:54 GMTr" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Question about V7.2-2 distributiona0 Message-ID: <00A17B62.890EF898@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <rdeininger-2911021709470001@1cust158.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:: >In article <00A17B49.7F5E783E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  >@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:g >gM >>A customer claims that a product is failing on V7.2-2.  I've looked throughfM >>all that I've received from Compaq and I don't have a copy of the binaries.w >>  >>Was this just a H/W release?   >9 >No, it was a general release.  
 According to:f  E http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.htmlo  G V7.3-1 and V7.2-2 shipped at about the same time.  It would appear thatWF the SDK was only the V7.3-1 release.  Leaves me hanging out to dry for the moment.a   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMv            h5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:04:40 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG+ Subject: Question about V7.2-2 distribution 0 Message-ID: <00A17B49.7F5E783E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  K A customer claims that a product is failing on V7.2-2.  I've looked throughaK all that I've received from Compaq and I don't have a copy of the binaries.a   Was this just a H/W release?    F Was it distributed with new machines or shipped to a general audience?    Was it not available to CSA/SDK?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMG             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" D   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:51:14 -0500s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Re: Question about V7.2-2 distributioneK Message-ID: <rdeininger-2911022151140001@1cust174.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>o  9 In article <00A17B5D.B291A96F@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- w @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   >In articlee@ <rdeininger-2911021709470001@1cust158.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:; >>In article <00A17B49.7F5E783E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- n >>@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>N >>>A customer claims that a product is failing on V7.2-2.  I've looked throughN >>>all that I've received from Compaq and I don't have a copy of the binaries. >>> ! >>>Was this just a H/W release?  d >> >>No, it was a general release.- >-L >Damn.  I've torn this place apart.  I have multiple copies of V7.1, V7.1-2,- >V7.2, V7.2-1, V7.3 and V7.3-1 but no V7.2-2.e >CJ >Would you be able to put the CDs up where I could pull down the contents.  E Sorry, I don't have a V7.2-2 kit nor a server available to put it on..   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:03:44 -0500i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Re: Question about V7.2-2 distribution K Message-ID: <rdeininger-2911022203450001@1cust174.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>f  9 In article <00A17B62.890EF898@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   >In articlen@ <rdeininger-2911021709470001@1cust158.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:; >>In article <00A17B49.7F5E783E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- e >>@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>N >>>A customer claims that a product is failing on V7.2-2.  I've looked throughN >>>all that I've received from Compaq and I don't have a copy of the binaries. >>>e! >>>Was this just a H/W release?  o >> >>No, it was a general release.e >  >According to: > F >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.html >dH >V7.3-1 and V7.2-2 shipped at about the same time.  It would appear thatG >the SDK was only the V7.3-1 release.  Leaves me hanging out to dry forr >the moment.  L V7.2-2 shipped in 2001.  V7.3-1 shipped in 2002.  Not "about the same time".  H The page you cited calls V7.2-2 an "alpha hardware release".  So I guessG my previous statement was bogus.  Evidently hardware releases no longer. have the "H" suffix.  I IMHO, the entire published version numbering scheme for OpenVMS Alpha hasrD been turned into pure fantasy, and should be ignored.  Release typesF "hardware", "dash", "dot", and "dot zero" are assigned at random.  TooJ bad.  The numbering scheme was somewhat useful, back when it meant what it said.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:01:32 -0600s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r/ Subject: Re: Question about V7.2-2 distributioni' Message-ID: <3DE8462C.D9029AB8@fsi.net>e   Robert Deininger wrote:a > : > In article <00A17B62.890EF898@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- > @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > 
 > >In articlegB > <rdeininger-2911021709470001@1cust158.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,6 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:< > >>In article <00A17B49.7F5E783E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- > >>@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>P > >>>A customer claims that a product is failing on V7.2-2.  I've looked throughP > >>>all that I've received from Compaq and I don't have a copy of the binaries. > >>>D! > >>>Was this just a H/W release?e > >>! > >>No, it was a general release.  > >n > >According to: > >uH > >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.html > >0J > >V7.3-1 and V7.2-2 shipped at about the same time.  It would appear thatI > >the SDK was only the V7.3-1 release.  Leaves me hanging out to dry forc > >the moment. > N > V7.2-2 shipped in 2001.  V7.3-1 shipped in 2002.  Not "about the same time". > J > The page you cited calls V7.2-2 an "alpha hardware release".  So I guessI > my previous statement was bogus.  Evidently hardware releases no longeri > have the "H" suffix.  G I seem to recall that Hoff posted about V7.2-2. I think it was supposedeH to be an ECO roll-up for V7.2-1, but also included support for a few new items.  1 The V7.2-2 New Features and Release Notes are at:a  < http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/722final/6650/6650pro.html   FWIW...e   -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:29:16 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Question about V7.2-2 distributiont0 Message-ID: <00A17B5D.B291A96F@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <rdeininger-2911021709470001@1cust158.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:: >In article <00A17B49.7F5E783E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  >@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >tM >>A customer claims that a product is failing on V7.2-2.  I've looked throughcM >>all that I've received from Compaq and I don't have a copy of the binaries.y >>  >>Was this just a H/W release?   >' >No, it was a general release.  K Damn.  I've torn this place apart.  I have multiple copies of V7.1, V7.1-2, , V7.2, V7.2-1, V7.3 and V7.3-1 but no V7.2-2.  I Would you be able to put the CDs up where I could pull down the contents.0  J Funny, I have the V7.2-2 source listings but not the binaries.  Looks like the SDK slips again.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMh            t5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:23:33 -0500.0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: Reason to use MMS instead of MMK ? / Message-ID: <3DE7BEB4.CFCFEEF7@vl.videotron.ca>    "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:t' > MMS is contractually supported by HP.e  J I have learned not to trust layered or middleware that used to be Digital.N Palmer killed many who were "contractuually supported", Capellas did the same,L and Carly is killing All-In-1 and probably many other packages that will not be ported to that IA64 thing.8   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2002 16:44:41 -0800! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro). Subject: Re: SRM for multiboot= Message-ID: <d5440555.0211291644.62162567@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEHCGCAA.tom@kednos.com>.../ > I think only from later version of Tru64, 5.1   ? Thank you (also for your second email), it looks like the Tru64rE consvar(8) was already from 4.0D, and by searching with it on the nettE I got also some info about VMS apparently undocumented sys$setenv and  sys$getenv calls.  Time to dig.   Thanks,t Sorina   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:55:47 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>b Subject: Re: SRM for multiboot' Message-ID: <3DE844D3.DFEC1C1A@fsi.net>    Soterro wrote: >  > Hello, > ? > I looked around for information on this stuff, but I found noe7 > reference whatsoever... (so I'm quite pessimist here)l > F > I have an AlphaServer which boots multiple OS's. Each time I want toD > change the OS, I have to go to SRM, change some variables by hand, > then boot. > [snip]  B If you can use a terminal program on a PC or a laptop (WhineBloze,F Linux, *BSD, etc.) that will facilitate scripting - or even cut from aF "Notepad" like program and paste into the terminal program, would that	 suffice?    < ...or do you need to automate the boot-into-alt-os function?  D You can send sequences from the host to Reflection to make it invokeH scripts local to the PC, and thus achieve some automaton that way, also.2 Kinda goofy, but doable with a bit of hard work...   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Nov 2002 15:05:23 -0800. From: Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman)# Subject: Using old VRT19-HA Monitort= Message-ID: <69d784c4.0211291505.336a34f5@posting.google.com>s  7 Can anyone tell me if I can use an old VRT19-HA monitori5 with one of the newer graphics cards (some version ofg a Number 9 card)?k  3 The monitor takes an RGB cable (only 3 wires).  Anyr. idea where to get a conversion cable?  Thanks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:46:01 -0500o3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com>c' Subject: Re: Using old VRT19-HA Monitor 6 Message-ID: <NgWF9.39526$sT3.22733@news.bellsouth.net>  H That is a fixed-frequency monitor.  I think the Number 9 can be setup toL work, but you have to know the magic refresh frequency & resolution, which I5 don't remember.  A cable should be available on eBay.   ; "Jack Trachtman" <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org> wrote in message 7 news:69d784c4.0211291505.336a34f5@posting.google.com...o9 > Can anyone tell me if I can use an old VRT19-HA monitorm7 > with one of the newer graphics cards (some version of  > a Number 9 card)?t >s5 > The monitor takes an RGB cable (only 3 wires).  Anyi0 > idea where to get a conversion cable?  Thanks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:44:51 -0500o From: "ICUSC" <sales@hpaq.net>+ Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 / Message-ID: <uuev6erme0r7f0@news.supernews.com>   A Export licenses to EU have not been required since about 1990 !!!h   DT. "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEGHGCAA.tom@kednos.com...rE > I thought there name derived from Channel Islands.  Export license?p >M > >-----Original Message-----c2 > >From: Mark E. Levy [mailto:levy@sysman-inc.com], > >Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:35 AM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. > >Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 > >O > >S1 > >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in messageM6 > >news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGGGCAA.tom@kednos.com... > >> http://www.islandco.com/  > > ? > >He said he was in the UK. Are you certain that Island has anr > >export license? > >   > >> >-----Original Message-----: > >> >From: Mike Knowles [mailto:mike@quotelinedirect.com]/ > >> >Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:16 AMr > >> >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn- > >> >Subject: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10a > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi > >> >L > >> >Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding second hand orC > >> >refurbished Compaq Alpha kit? I am based in the UK. We want a F > >> >redundant server for restoration and verification of DLT backups > >> > > >> >Thanks > >> > > >> >MK > >> >	 > >> >---l, > >> >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.@ > >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).G > >> >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002  > >> > > >> ---+ > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.f? > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).dF > >> Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 > >> > >t > >s > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.>= > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).'D > >Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 > >o > ---n( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002o >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:40:05 +0100u; From: "Jerome" <Jerome.Forissier@removethis.libertysurf.fr>   Subject: Re: Xdvi and eXcursions4 Message-ID: <newscache$pc0d6h$zse$1@news.tiscali.fr>  > "Paddy O'Brien" <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message& news:3DE5AADB.5020500@tg.nsw.gov.au...G > We use the TEXMF distribution from the Freeware V5 CD, on ES40.  ThisoF > includes XDVI for pre-viewing in a window, which I find very useful. >eI > I have just been telling a colleague how useful this is, so he tried toaC > use it through eXcursions.  EXcursions brought the window up, but H > contentless.  Re-direction of the display to my workstation showed the > expected content.  >s5 > Has anyone found a way to use XDVI with eXcursions?  >lD I suggest that you enable message logging (eXcursion control panel),L reproduce the problem, then check the log window. Maybe xdvi requires some XI extentions that would not be implemented or disabled in eXcursion? Just a  guess, though.   -- Jerome   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.661 ************************