1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 30 Nov 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 662       Contents:6 Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server.6 Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server. Re: Best VAX upgrade I've seen$ Re: DS10 VMS 7.3-1 DECW$SERVER crash Re: Endianity of Itanium) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org ) Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org - Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6 - Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6 & RE: Question about V7.2-2 distribution& RE: Question about V7.2-2 distribution Re: TIFF processing on VMS? " Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10" Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10" Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10" Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:35:03 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>? Subject: Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server. , Message-ID: <3DE8DAA7.7040608@tsoft-inc.com>  N Been reading this thread.  Seems that for what you want you're going about it 
 the hard way.   O Much easier, and better in my (not always) humble opinion is to send a message  Q to the PC whan a file is ready, including filespec, and have the PC FTP the file   from the VMS system.  P On the PC, set up a service that listens for socket connection requests, grants J the connection, receives the message, FTPs the file, ACKs the client, and ; notifys whatever application on the PC that needs the file.   P On VMS, you set up a client routine that the application producing the file can O call to request the connection, send the file info, wait for an ACK, and close   down the connection.  O In this manner you don't have the PC attempting to pick up an incomplete file.  K You have positive acknowledgement for the VMS app that the file was indeed  P picked up.  You have the file being picked up immediately after it's ready, and ? the PC doesn't have to uselessly loop on the search for a file.   # If you need any examples, just ask.    Dave     Hans Aus wrote:   ) > In article <3DE791E3.E85386D6@aaa.com>, * >  Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote: >  > D >>Actualy, I'm right now struggling to get my new Samba installationA >>(Samba 2.2.4. VMS 7.3) to accept a NET VIEW command from my PC. E >>Only one VMS server and one PC on the whole net right now (a "home"  >>net).  >> >  > @ > The newest version is 2.2.7 on http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/ >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:06:47 +0100 . From: "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>? Subject: Re: ??== PAKS, Campus License, Samba, Adavnced Server. B Message-ID: <aus-B15B3A.19064730112002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  , In article <3DE8DAA7.7040608@tsoft-inc.com>,*  David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  P > Been reading this thread.  Seems that for what you want you're going about it  > the hard way.     E I agree and would appreciate receiving some detailed examples. I had  3 thought about this but don't know how to set it up.  > I > Much easier, and better in my (not always) humble opinion is to send a  
 > message N > to the PC whan a file is ready, including filespec, and have the PC FTP the  > file   > from the VMS system. > K > On the PC, set up a service that listens for socket connection requests,  	 > grants  L > the connection, receives the message, FTPs the file, ACKs the client, and = > notifys whatever application on the PC that needs the file.  > N > On VMS, you set up a client routine that the application producing the file  > can K > call to request the connection, send the file info, wait for an ACK, and   > close  > down the connection. > K > In this manner you don't have the PC attempting to pick up an incomplete   > file. M > You have positive acknowledgement for the VMS app that the file was indeed  N > picked up.  You have the file being picked up immediately after it's ready,  > and A > the PC doesn't have to uselessly loop on the search for a file.  > % > If you need any examples, just ask.  >  > Dave >  >  > Hans Aus wrote:    --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:59:37 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: Best VAX upgrade I've seen 5 Message-ID: <asa26l$paieo$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   7 "Baby Peanut" <baby_p_nut@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht 6 news:c5cf6e8.0211270618.3454e112@posting.google.com...+ > http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/edenvax/   % Couldn't they have used an RS6000 ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:12:53 +0100 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> - Subject: Re: DS10 VMS 7.3-1 DECW$SERVER crash 6 Message-ID: <3de88f25$0$11741$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:Y > In article <3DE7ACDC.A919FD4C@fi.upm.es>, "Juan C. Blanco" <jcblanco@fi.upm.es> writes:  > @ >>Hello, I've installed VMS v7.3-1 on a DS10 test system and theI >>DECW$SERVER crash when a user logs out (using the exit button) from the  >>CDE session. >>F >>I've applied all patches to this version of VMS, I can reproduce theE >>crash if start some X applications from other systems displaying on G >>the DS10 server, the DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG reports an ACCVIO error.  >>; >>We are using also Multinet V4.4 with all current patches.  >>D >>I've revised the protection of the [.DT] directory of the user and >>all seems right. >>G >>Using "decw$startup restart" starts a new server and the login screen / >>but don't accept any keystroke on the window.  >>
 >>Any ideas ?  >  >  > Idea ? Yes. Solution ? No. > I > Delete the [.DT] directory and recreate it (ie. customize CDE again)...  >    Also only some information:   H A DS10 with an Elsa Gloria card, OpenVMS V7.3-1 and Motif V1.2-6. Works H OK with default display settings, but when I changed the settings to 24 G bits per pixel, things started to get real slow and when I did an Exit  I from CDE, the DECW$SERVER_0 process died. Just restarting DECwindows did  8 not bring it back, but I had to reboot the whole system.  B It seems to me that there is no relation with the contents of the  [.DT...] directories.   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:28:05 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG! Subject: Re: Endianity of Itanium 0 Message-ID: <00A17BDB.42B8A3D6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <V7idnQdfk50yknWgXTWcoQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > - ><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message + >news:00A17B43.90423D49@SendSpamHere.ORG... = >> In article <3de7c20d$1@news.swissonline.ch>, "Jakob Erber"  ><erberj@yahoo.de> writes:
 >> >Hello, >> >M >> >does the Itanium plattform have the same endianity as alpha (tru64, vms):  >> >little endian? >> > >> >best regards >> >	 >> >Jakob  >>( >> Itanium has any endium you preferium. > K >Great news!  My preference for its endium is soonium rather than laterium.  >  >- bill    No argument from me.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:49:21 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org' Message-ID: <3DE84351.69F9139B@fsi.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3DE7A7CC.2698C3D5@fsi.net...  > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > ...  > K > > > Right or wrong, imho, the globalization and competitive nature of all I > > > future businesses is only going to increase. The more Govt's try to  > > > coddle > > K > > Both you and Bill have used the word "coddle". So let's explore that...  > > G > > My Dad's first job (as head of a household, not as a teenager) paid D > > somewhere on the order of $0.12/hr. The family paid $8,800 for aG > > hell-hole of a home when he was making $0.65/hr. as a machinist for L > > International Harvester. Including compound interest that works out to -J > > what, about 12 year's wages for a home? (...a home that he would spendK > > the next 15 years making livable in his "copious spare time"? Imagine a L > > home that had an oil-fired water heater not connected to a chimney. At aF > > time when "the boys" were coming back from "over there", they were+ > > extremely fortunate to find even that!)  > > 3 > > We won't even talk about the cost of new car...  > > 0 > > Let's look at the facts and figures today... > > K > > The median home price in this area here is in excess of $225,000 (don't L > > have exact figures handy - sorry; I know I'll get shot full of holes forL > > that, but so be it). The median household income for workers employed inI > > this area, on the other hand, is less than $50,000. According to most J > > lenders' guidelines, that means that average area wroker cannot affordG > > the average area home. So, folks who work here can't afford to live 	 > > here.  > I > Yes, they can:  even if some lenders are too stupid to understand how a J > near-$50K income can be budgeted to pay off the mortgage on a $225K home? > (especially in these low-interest-rate times), others aren't.  > M > You seem to completely fail to appreciate the dramatic improvement from the L > 12+ years of wages it took your father to buy what you call a hell-hole toF > the 5 or so years of wages it takes a current family to buy a pretty > comfortable abode.    G Hardly. Lenders' guidelines are, in large measure, "dictated" by Fannie A Mae; i.e., the specifications of the secondary market where paper B changes hands faster than illicit drugs. In order for a note to beG readily saleable, it must meet certain guidelines. More often than not, 2 FNMA guidelines tend to be the "way of the world".  8 > That's got to be an *absolute* improvement of a factorK > of *at least* 4x in the standard of living, and here you are acting as if  > it's the absolute pits.   F O.k. Let's examine that a bit further: assume for a moment that one ofG us makes on the order of - let's be conservative and say - $65,000. 33% H of that is $21,450 or $1787.50 monthly. On a 30-year fixed rate mortgageE at 5.75% that'll buy you $309,000 home according to my calculator (HP  10B).   F Now, that seems like it'll but a lot of home. Non-US residents may notH be aware of the income tax structures and other things that reduce gross? pay to take home pay (which reduction gets pretty damn gross!).   > Up until now, we've been assuming that the family is debt-freeE (inconsistent with U.S. Gov't stat.'s). So, let's look at it bit more  realistically.  A That $65,000 a year probably comes out to take-home pay of around E $42,250 (I'm rounding here, for convenience) or $3520.83. Now, out of E that has to come the $1787.50 mortgage ($1733.33 remaining), and some > allocation to cover property tax and insurance, let's estimateF ($4800/12=$400)+(480/12=40) $440 for convenience ($1293.33 remaining).  G So far we're not doing too badly, eh? Well, let's see now: $100 or so a F week for groceries or roughly $433.33 a month ($863.33 remaining). The family's gotta eat, y'know.   E Oh, yeah - family car? Let's see, going for somewhere between $12,000 E and $18,000 for the average full-size family car (we're talking sedan F here, not even a mini-van or SUV). If we're lucky, we can get that forF 8.5%. So, we punch that up on the calculator and come up with ($15,000G at 8.5% for six(6) years) and get $266.68 ($596.66 remaining). Oh - and E insurance? Well, if you're a good driver with a good record maybe you E can get a rate of about $450 every six months, $900/year or $75/month H ($521 remaining), $20/week for fuel or $86.67/month ($434.33 remaining).  : So, that leaves us $434.33/month. Not doing badly, are we?  
 ...or are we?   D Well, we've not allowed for payents on any unsecured credit ("credit= card" debt), saving for the kids' college fund(s), saving for D retirement, buying clothes for ourselves and the kids, utility billsH (could easily eat up 50% of that $434) that continue to rise faster thanF Bill Todd's blood pressure, commuting expenses (monthly train tickets, monthly parking permit), ...  G Starting to get the picture now? Just because the lender guidelines say G we can afford a "sumptuous" home (4 bedroom, 2-1/2 bath, 2-car attached F garage, full basement on a 1/3 acre lot if you're lucky), that doesn't necessarily reflect reality.  G No, I don't have to go home every day and rebuild some bit of stupidity C in this house every day of every week of every year. If I did, that ; would even cut FURTHER into my take-home pay, would it not?   0 Do I have it better than Mom and Dad? Certainly!  G Am I one of the dynamos driving the consumer-powered economy? More like H a rechargeable battery, and only one of eight cells in a battery pack at that!   N > No one is happy losing ground.  But it happens, and with increasingly globalL > competition it will *continue* to happen.  It's probably not going to take/ > us back to the same conditions your dad faced    Don't kid yourself!    >  (and triumphed over),  E "Trimuphed"? Well, if you mean did we live in a warm, clean home with H enough to eat, clean clothes and decent education (no college, though, IH put myself through what post-secondary schooling I got), yes - I suppose that's a fair assessment.    > but N > unless we (and this means our institutions and corporations at least as muchL > as our work force:  *everyone* is involved) get our acts together and keepI > generating work that *can't* easily be exported we're headed for harder  > times.  > If you can identify such work, you could be looking at a Nobel nomination! (Economics?)   > > F > > Rather explains why we have people commuting 50-100 miles each wayH > > today, doesn't it? ...and why the roads are jammed with cars insteadK > > having streetcars and buses jammed with commuters like our folks had...  > J > Another reflection of our relative prosperity:  as you noted above, cars > were once a definite luxury.  G Sshhhh!!! Don't tell the government! They're still chiding us about our 7 driving "privileges". They haven't gotten the word yet.   E ...then again, the bulk of them are fat-cat rat-bastards who wouldn't . know such things if they bit them in the face!   > > K > > Dunno 'bout you, but this situation hardly constitutes "coddling" in my 	 > > book.  > F > The only 'coddling' is in attempts to preserve (or, worse, appear toH > preserve or suggest the possibility of preserving) the status quo whenB > irresistable economic forces are in the process of changing it.   H Hhmmm... Funny. My Dad (who was a veteran - WW-II) and others might findB it unusal to refer to defending our life and lifestyle as fightingD "irresistable economic forces". They'd likely call it "defending the American way of life".   > Facing theK > problem and finding ways to accommodate to the new realities are the only 6 > ways we'll get ourselves to a more palatable future.  C Depends. Are we talking about our fellow Americans and our progeny? > ...or are we talking about continuing to support the corporateG rat-bastards who are shipping our livelihoods overseas, one dollar at a  time?    **NEWS FLASH***   H When I spun up Netscape this eve., there was an article on CNN linked toC the page that appeared in Communicator saying that the Kenyan El-Al 4 missile attack incident could very well happen here.  H Let's see now, that means air freight will be too risky, air travel willH be too risky and the costs for maritime shipping (and insurance) are nowC poised to rise higher than that rock they recently found outside of E Pluto's orbit as demand for shipping services sky-rockets and renewed G terrorist attacks endanger the shipping lanes. (Hhmmm ... Almost sounds  like the dawn of WW-III, eh?)   H May have to start shipping those jobs back into the U.S. just to stay in business. Stay tuned...    > > J > > To me, the "coddled" are the top 1% of the work force who can actually- > > afford the new housing going up out here.  > N > The difference is that it's not the gov'mint that's coddling them:  it's theH > imbalances in the system (yes, the gov'mint has some responsibility toK > address these as well, but that's an *internal* matter as distinct from - = > essentially impotent - attempts at external protectionism).   F Uh, in so far as "they" bought the offices those gov't officials hold,C I'd say they're being "coddled" by the ones they paid to do exactly  that!    >  Believe me, we're lookingI > > (again!) and it's getting damned difficult to find anything decent at H > > under $400,000 (about six years' wages for me, eighteen years' wagesE > > when you allow for compound interest - not to mention that such a J > > payment would require a household income of roughly half that amount -F > > or roughly four times the average income of area wage-earners - to) > > qualify by most lenders' guidelines).  > > / > > So, let's keep our perspectives straight...  > ; > Your perspective seems to be simply that you're hurting.    F I.e., I'm doing better than 65% or so of the work-force (guesstimate),H but even that's not all that great, as we saw in our numbers above. JustH imagine where that leaves the folks nearer the 40th percentile, and what: housing THEY can afford! ...the 30th percentile... ...etc.   > But you don't seem# > to have a clue about exactly why,   H Oh, I know *EXACTLY* why, but that would be another - entirely off-topic	 - thread.   + > or what effective steps might be possible  > to change the situation.  H I've got some ideas. Nothing "earth-shattering", just some work I and myF extended family can do over the course of three to five years to raiseC enough money to pay off our homes and vehicles and live in relative 8 comfort on considerably less than a professional salary.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 30 NOV 2002 17:48:32 GMT2 From: karcher@kort.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)2 Subject: Re: Independent Consultants + OpenVMS.org4 Message-ID: <30NOV02.17483272@kort.waisman.wisc.edu>  I In a previous article, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  ..H ->O.k. Let's examine that a bit further: assume for a moment that one ofI ->us makes on the order of - let's be conservative and say - $65,000. 33% J ->of that is $21,450 or $1787.50 monthly. On a 30-year fixed rate mortgageG ->at 5.75% that'll buy you $309,000 home according to my calculator (HP 
 ->10B)....  E That 33% must include property taxes and insurance too. In a high tax D state such as Wisconsin or New Hampshire the property tax bite wouldG significantly reduce the loan you could get. For example, where I live, G a home valued $300,000 would have a $7,200 annual property bill. If you H are debt free that 33% can go as high as 40% if you have a sizable (20%) downpayment.  D As you point out, actually being able to afford such a home with all1 your other living expenses is a different matter.    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 2 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------   Date: 30 Nov 02 09:20:21 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 6 Subject: Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-6) Message-ID: <GjcUCcOgAXPX@elias.decus.ch>   Z In article <as5s6v$olghe$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: > K > "Michiel Erens" <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> schreef in ; > bericht news:3DE561A7.5B08@this.mailaddress.is.invalid...  >> Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  >> >I >> > In article <as39ds$nrnes$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" >  > <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: F >> > >The Navigator V2.02 software is available for both VAX and Alpha >> > >platforms. >> > >A >> > >No reference at all to 3.03, could you give me a valid URL?  >> > >> > It used to be >> > >N > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/ns_navigator_303goldj_dow > nload_page.html  >>K >> It is also on the layered products CD VAXBINMAR022 in the [NETSNAVG0303] 
 >> directory.  >>L > OK, I installed 3.03 but that version also shows the same behaviour as itsL > predecessor. The application starts fine, it shows the widget where you'veF > got to accept the license terms. Once I click accept the applicationL > freezes. ANALYZE/SYSTEM does not show anything alarming, the process state	 > is LEF. > > So the question remains: is this a Motif 1.2-6 problem then? >   D Are you running it from the same system as you are displaying it on?  = I recently tried running it via DECnet from a remote machine:   4 $ set display /create /transport=decnet /node=mynode
 $ netscape  E DECnet because yet again, the network guys were "honing their skills" @ and I couldn't get the two systems talking TCP/IP to each other,; then tried to go into the Options menu. It completely froze ; CDE in a way I have never seen before. The only way out was  to restart DECwindows. >  --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:58:27 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>6 Subject: Re: Netscape 2.02 & VAX/VMS 7.3 & Motif 1.2-65 Message-ID: <asa24f$pga3c$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   8 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> schreef in bericht# news:GjcUCcOgAXPX@elias.decus.ch... D > In article <as5s6v$olghe$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  > >  [snip]@ > > So the question remains: is this a Motif 1.2-6 problem then? > >  > F > Are you running it from the same system as you are displaying it on? > ? > I recently tried running it via DECnet from a remote machine:  > 6 > $ set display /create /transport=decnet /node=mynode > $ netscape > G > DECnet because yet again, the network guys were "honing their skills" B > and I couldn't get the two systems talking TCP/IP to each other,= > then tried to go into the Options menu. It completely froze = > CDE in a way I have never seen before. The only way out was  > to restart DECwindows. > >  Paul  L the "frozen netscape" problem happens on the VAXstation itself as well as onJ remote sessions (and the transport does not matter, DECnet and IP show theF same behaviour). Furthermore, there's no need to restart DECwindows, a7 stop/id= for the appropriate FTA session is sufficient.    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:53:01 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> / Subject: RE: Question about V7.2-2 distribution T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660BB2@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  
 G'day Robert,   > I would say the text calling V7.2-2 a hardware release ONLY is
 incorrect.=20   D As previous reply stated, it is more accurately described as a patchD roll-up for OpenVMS V7.2-1 and V7.2-1H (definitely HW release) usersF who, for whatever reason, felt they could not go to OpenVMS V7.3.x forG awhile. It also provides a longer support life as it is the last V7.2-x 
 base release.   C V7.2-2 does include all of the enhancements and fixes in V7.2-1H1 + H other 7.2-1 patches that were not in the V7.2-1 base release. So, V7.2-2D does include "new hardware support and enhancements" for those users( coming from a base V7.2-1 release level.  G By the way, not sure about VAX release info, but here are the p/n's for   the V7.2-2 Alpha OVMS Cdroms:=20 AG-RLMVC-BE - Sept 2001 - media  AG-RQPFA-BE - Sept 2001 - doc's   $ Here is the cover letter for V7.2-2:H http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/722final/cletters/OVMS_V722_COVER_LETT ER.HTML    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)      -----Original Message-----< From: Robert Deininger [mailto:rdeininger@mindspring.com]=20  Sent: November 29, 2002 10:04 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / Subject: Re: Question about V7.2-2 distribution     ; In article <00A17B62.890EF898@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-=20  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   >In article @ <rdeininger-2911021709470001@1cust158.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:: >>In article <00A17B49.7F5E783E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- >>@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>I >>>A customer claims that a product is failing on V7.2-2.  I've looked=20 H >>>through all that I've received from Compaq and I don't have a copy of   >>>the binaries. >>>  >>>Was this just a H/W release?  >> >>No, it was a general release.  >  >According to: > F >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.html > H >V7.3-1 and V7.2-2 shipped at about the same time.  It would appear that  J >the SDK was only the V7.3-1 release.  Leaves me hanging out to dry for=20 >the moment.  E V7.2-2 shipped in 2001.  V7.3-1 shipped in 2002.  Not "about the same  time".  H The page you cited calls V7.2-2 an "alpha hardware release".  So I guessG my previous statement was bogus.  Evidently hardware releases no longer  have the "H" suffix.  E IMHO, the entire published version numbering scheme for OpenVMS Alpha H has been turned into pure fantasy, and should be ignored.  Release typesF "hardware", "dash", "dot", and "dot zero" are assigned at random.  TooG bad.  The numbering scheme was somewhat useful, back when it meant what  it said.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:35:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: RE: Question about V7.2-2 distribution 0 Message-ID: <00A17BDC.3B6CCBCF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660BB2@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >G'day Robert, > ? >I would say the text calling V7.2-2 a hardware release ONLY is  >incorrect.=20 > E >As previous reply stated, it is more accurately described as a patch E >roll-up for OpenVMS V7.2-1 and V7.2-1H (definitely HW release) users G >who, for whatever reason, felt they could not go to OpenVMS V7.3.x for H >awhile. It also provides a longer support life as it is the last V7.2-x >base release. > D >V7.2-2 does include all of the enhancements and fixes in V7.2-1H1 +I >other 7.2-1 patches that were not in the V7.2-1 base release. So, V7.2-2 E >does include "new hardware support and enhancements" for those users ) >coming from a base V7.2-1 release level.  > H >By the way, not sure about VAX release info, but here are the p/n's for! >the V7.2-2 Alpha OVMS Cdroms:=20   >AG-RLMVC-BE - Sept 2001 - media  >AG-RQPFA-BE - Sept 2001 - doc's > % >Here is the cover letter for V7.2-2: I >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/722final/cletters/OVMS_V722_COVER_LETT  >ER.HTML >  >Regards >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co. " >Consulting & Integration Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax   : 613-591-4477  >Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom . >    (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  H My problem is why it wasn't shipped with an SDK shipment?  It apparentlyF has broken something fundamantal because a customer claims a piece of I software doesn't run on it.  It runs fine on V7.2-1, and V7.3 and V7.3-1; E releases which flank V7.2-2 at least by traditional version numbering  schemes.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 30 Nov 02 09:08:03 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) $ Subject: Re: TIFF processing on VMS?) Message-ID: <0H5bUHJ0A7VO@elias.decus.ch>   h In article <5RpF9.9$sB.429193@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > 1 > "John Nebel" <nebel@csdco.com> wrote in message C > news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0211271319340.19345-100000@athena.csdco.com...  >> >> JF, >>M >> Actually one of the things being done is to print money, however, 50" wide < >> photographs that would not be confused with legal tender. >> > L > Speaking of printing money... someone last week anonymously sent me a veryN > nice - very large - photograph of a $1000 bill (and I mean very large posterN > size).  I'm guessing it was a bribe, but so far nobody is willing to take itJ > as payment ;-)  They forgot to include their name, and what the bribe is > for.  4 Ooh. I am tempted to quote GBS there... :-) :-) :-)  --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Nov 02 09:51:20 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) + Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 ) Message-ID: <YsIHPL0eGoB6@elias.decus.ch>   I > oops! they seem to have had a Flash nightmare on their website. If your  > browser barfs, their > phone number is 0118 9403111 >   F Oops I have to name and shame someone else. Prompted by a conversationE with a colleague about turning SMG type programs into browser capable I stuff, I recalled a UK site which had claimed to be experts in the field.   K www.anite.co.uk told me in a rather smug fashion that "they had determined" D (clever sods eh?) that I was was running an out of date browser, and< invited me to download the latest version of Netscape or IE.  D I am not allowed to do that at work. It is a disciplinary offence toJ install unapproved software on our PCs. I do not have the privileges on myE NT box to install software, the firewall is set up to reject requests K from any browser other than the officially supported one, and the multitude K of in house software we run has been extensively tested against the browser  we use.   H The most important web based application I use is the timesheet program.G At the end of the month, ABSOLUTELY NOBODY is allowed to mess me around 
 with that.  * Bunch of friggin' cowboys for that IMNSHO.   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Nov 02 10:12:10 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) + Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 ) Message-ID: <FiT6xJ7uj5rD@elias.decus.ch>   S In article <3DE6DD72.3832F95A@sunset.net>, Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net> writes:  > Yes.G > The "Big Cheese" at Island Co., a Sir David Turner, Esq., is a former  > Limey. >   6 And he gets the export/import documentation right too.3 That is often the hardest part, and something which % many much larger companies get wrong.   6 I ordered my system on a Friday, he had it running all3 weekend to check it worked, then shipped on Monday. ; I got to work on Tuesday to find an email from Fedex to say : it had already cleared customs and was in the truck headed for my home.   >  >  > "Mark E. Levy" wrote:  >>  1 >> "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message 6 >> news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGGGCAA.tom@kednos.com... >> > http://www.islandco.com/  >>  O >> He said he was in the UK. Are you certain that Island has an export license?  >>   --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:07:16 +0100 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>+ Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 ) Message-ID: <3DE88DD4.8080900@vajhoej.dk>    Paul Sture wrote:   M > www.anite.co.uk told me in a rather smug fashion that "they had determined" F > (clever sods eh?) that I was was running an out of date browser, and> > invited me to download the latest version of Netscape or IE. > F > I am not allowed to do that at work. It is a disciplinary offence to) > install unapproved software on our PCs.      BS7799 ?   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:00:35 +0100 6 From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>+ Subject: Re: Wanted: Second hand Alpha DS10 ' Message-ID: <3DE88C43.30404@vajhoej.dk>    Mark E. Levy wrote:   0 > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message5 > news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGGGCAA.tom@kednos.com...  >>http://www.islandco.com/ > N > He said he was in the UK. Are you certain that Island has an export license?  ; Unlike many other VMS hardware resellers, then islandco are < both willing to ship overseas and capable of doing it rigth.  5 It takes two days to get something shipped to Denmark : with Fedex (that it sometimes takes a week to get computer5 equipment through danish customs is not their fault).    Arne   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.662 ************************                              