1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 01 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 541       Contents:C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) 0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...$ Re: alpha hpicide come home to roost$ Auction For True Digital Lovers Only# Re: Boycott The Body Shop !!!  9652 # Re: Boycott The Body Shop !!!  9652   CFGETERRORs with TCP/IP 5.1 SMTP! Re: Changing Strings in EXE files  Re: DSM Docs On Line?  e-mail web client (SilkyMail) ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail) ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)  FA: Digital HiNote AC Adapter ; FYI, for those getting into St. Louis on Saturday for HPETS 0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ? Re: Hobbyist LicenseP Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re:  OpenVMSMultisessioP Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMSMultisession Re: Monitor over frequency Re: Nameserver resolving.  Re: Nameserver resolving.  Pathworks, and shares on PC's ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's   Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?4 Re: Seeking Senior VMS System Administrator Position4 Re: Seeking Senior VMS System Administrator Position Re: TCPIP BIND stuff Re: VMS 7.3 DCL / MX0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued 6 Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX6 Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:51:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT), Message-ID: <3D98B952.EB279792@videotron.ca>  5 http://cgi.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_quote?sym=intc&x=8&y=7   0 Has an interesting article at the bottom titled:  9 "AMD Gambles on New 64-Bit Chip That Runs Older Programs"   N The article says nothing new to the crowd here, but does outline the fact thatL the IA64 and Hammer issues are starting to become more public. This articlesL makes AMD's strategy look smarter than Intel since it provides a much easierC transition to 64 bits due to its compatibility with 32 bit windows.    Intel lost 5% today. HP down to about $11.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2002 15:48:36 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209301448.56cabc4b@posting.google.com>   u "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<bPFl9.363298$5r1.16859132@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...  > (URL below wraps)  > N > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/29/technology/circuits/29CHIP.html?ex=1033876" > 800&en=573e03cf736d51a5&ei=5062& > I > (BYT, it mentions that eliminating *both* PA-RISC and Alpha development M > should save HP $200 - $400 million annually, one more confirmation of EV8's M > cost being on the order of $100 million or less annually, given that it was K > only one of two parallel chip efforts plus did not include server-related  > development.)  >  > - bill  D all this tells us is that google can't afford to pay for a few extraC volts of electicity ... doubts about whether co's will want to move C to a new architecture are old news ... this repeats the doubts from   the past ... useless article ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:40:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT), Message-ID: <3D98E0C4.AEFE76E4@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote: E > to a new architecture are old news ... this repeats the doubts from " > the past ... useless article ...  F What is newsworthy isn't the contents itself, but the fact that it hasA "escaped" from internet trade rags and moved to mainstream press.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2002 20:07:16 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)3 Message-ID: <nSrrG2kEgEBQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3D98B952.EB279792@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:7 > http://cgi.nyse.com/cgi-bin/ny_quote?sym=intc&x=8&y=7  > 2 > Has an interesting article at the bottom titled: > ; > "AMD Gambles on New 64-Bit Chip That Runs Older Programs"  > P > The article says nothing new to the crowd here, but does outline the fact thatN > the IA64 and Hammer issues are starting to become more public. This articlesN > makes AMD's strategy look smarter than Intel since it provides a much easierE > transition to 64 bits due to its compatibility with 32 bit windows.  >  > Intel lost 5% today. > HP down to about $11.   D 	And most telling of all, AMD lost 7% today with little prospects of" 	making money for at least a year:  < http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/tech/kcswanson/10042279.html  N Wall Street doesn't expect AMD to make money until the fourth quarter of 2003.B The last time it was in the black was the second quarter of 2001.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:35:41 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 8 Message-ID: <776hpuo3o6n6om70psdbd7es33qa15ajdj@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:57:16 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   
 >jlsue wrote: @ >> Wouldn't that depend on whether his work output, before beingH >> "discovered", was valid?  I mean, sure it's wrong to lie on a resume.I >> But if someone does a great job after the hire, it seems to be foolish  >> to fire him/her.  >  > K >I disagree. If one is capable of lying on an "official" document, it means E >that he would be capable of lying elsewhere. Theye may also be legal C >implications should the employee be caught up in some controversy.   F Official document?  You elevate something like a resume as an officialD document... that's just a tad to much for the reality I've lived in.   > M >If it is found that the company didn't check the employee's credentials, the J >company will look bad. The company could be accused of hiring incompetentM >people. And worse, if the company keeps the employee after having discovered N >the lie, the company becomes an accomplice. A company really has no choice in3 >the matter the minute the lie becomes known to it.   C Again, this is not necessarily true.  I mean, if the company learns E that the employee "lied" on his/her taxes, should they also fire them E by virtue of that logic above?  How about if they lie about their age  on a driver's license?  > To equate some inflated item on a resume with outright fraud -C especially after the employee displays their true value - is silly,  imho.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:37:57 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 8 Message-ID: <ud6hpu48dtdkva85gksaeha6r6qq4m4h96@4ax.com>  / On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:40:06 GMT, Tim Llewellyn ' <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:    >  > 
 >jlsue wrote: @ >> Wouldn't that depend on whether his work output, before beingH >> "discovered", was valid?  I mean, sure it's wrong to lie on a resume.I >> But if someone does a great job after the hire, it seems to be foolish  >> to fire him/her.  >  > I >What about the person who didn't lie on their CV and didn't get the job? I >Surely this practice if endorsed will eventually lead to situation where  >all CV's are pure fiction.   C Well, what about that person?  There's never any guarantee a person B will get a job.  And my questions don't endorse any such behavior.> However, it is easy to see real-world examples where someone'sE abilities are really great, but they might not have the "pedigree" to C show the experience.  Once in action at the real job, though, their ! abilities should become apparent.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:35:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... , Message-ID: <3D98A783.82763E6B@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:H > want to insinuate) that it means that the HP merger was wrong, or that2 > somehow HP should be tarred with the same brush.  G Consider that the merger passed by a razor thin margin because a single L shareholder (Deutche Bank) was bribed at the last minute. One must ask about3 what other institutions received similar treatment.   K In the case of the DB decision, the employee decided against the good of DB J customers and for a short term boost in DB business.  The DB employee left4 unceremoniously a short while after the story broke.    F The fact that it is known that Carly used very "convincing tactics" toK convince at least one institutional investor to vote for her means that one U will wonder what other institutions were the targets of Carly's "convincing tactics".   K Now comes an employee whose honesty and integrity have been put in question L (due to rsum lie). He is in charge of that controversial merger.  It wouldE seem that this guy might be more easy to "corrupt" and be swayed into 8 supporting Carly due to his past.  Image is everything.   M had this been a no-brainer merger with a clear cut support and no significant L opposition, then this wouldn't be an issue. But since many serious investorsJ were against, then the role of the analysts becomes even more important inL deciding on which side of the fence he, and all the investors who follow his advice,  will sit.    M From ISS's point of view, next time comes a controversial merger and they are I asked for their opinion, if that employee was still there, their image of 9 integrity and independance would be somewhat compromised.      It is all about image.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:40:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... , Message-ID: <3D98A8AA.783A51E4@videotron.ca>   jlsue wrote:@ > To equate some inflated item on a resume with outright fraud -E > especially after the employee displays their true value - is silly,  > imho.   K Would you like to go to a hospital where it is known that they keep doctors M who lied about their medical degree  even if they haven't killed anyone yet ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:48:02 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D9A0A02.6060302@mail.tele.dk>    JF Mezei wrote:    > jlsue wrote:@ >>To equate some inflated item on a resume with outright fraud -E >>especially after the employee displays their true value - is silly,  >>imho.  > M > Would you like to go to a hospital where it is known that they keep doctors O > who lied about their medical degree  even if they haven't killed anyone yet ?      There are a few differences:9    - in your example there are a very strong link between :      education and job (medical degree - doctor) which was2      not the case  (law degree - business analyst)9    - in many countried (I do not know about the US) there 7      are laws requiring a medical degree to practice as 
      a doctor   5 But when that is said, then I guess even for a doctor 4 I would be more interested in his/her skills than in
 his/her exam.    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:38:06 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 2 Message-ID: <OC2m9.42$MY1.909479@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3D98A8AA.783A51E4@videotron.ca>... 
 >jlsue wrote: A >> To equate some inflated item on a resume with outright fraud - F >> especially after the employee displays their true value - is silly, >> imho. > L >Would you like to go to a hospital where it is known that they keep doctorsL >who lied about their medical degree  even if they haven't killed anyone yet ?   ; We have Harvard educated doctors removing the wrong organs.   L It's easy to set this up as a pure B&W issue.  I guess I would ask - did theI person believe that he could do the job when he applied, was the inflated K part of the resume critical to his ability to do the work, and lastly - did * the person perform his job satisfactorily.  L I might believe that I can perform surgery, but I fail the second part - theL knowledge and training are critical to the job.  Was the law degree criticalJ to his job, or was there a check-the-box degree requirement?  Or did he go to law school, and not finish?  G There was a note in here a week or so ago looking for developers in the I Boston area.  They wanted Systems programmers, and are only interested in @ people with degree's from "Top Technical" schools...  What if anK experienced, brilliant, degree'd from a small state college, and unemployed L Systems engineer - recently layed off with wife and kids - padded his resume? just enough to make it seem like he had a degree from Stanford.   K 1) He'd never get in the door without the degree.  2) He might end up their = best employee.  3) He would get fired if the "lie" was found.   @ On a scale of 1 to 3, where 3 means burning in hell, and 1 meansJ no-harm-no-foul -- where does this guy rank?  The requirement is stupid onI it's face, but lying is also bad.  The guy does have a family to support, L and no chance of getting the job without the lie.  If I were him - I think IK could sleep at night if the lie got me the job.  It meets my simple tests - G he thinks (knows) he can do the job, the requirement (a "top" technical G school degree) isn't critical to the work, and the person has reason to  believe they will perform well.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:43:49 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 3 Message-ID: <9I2m9.43$r42.1128601@news.cpqcorp.net>   = JF Mezei wrote in message <3D98A783.82763E6B@videotron.ca>...  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote: I >> want to insinuate) that it means that the HP merger was wrong, or that 3 >> somehow HP should be tarred with the same brush.  > H >Consider that the merger passed by a razor thin margin because a singleG >shareholder (Deutche Bank) was bribed at the last minute. One must ask  about 4 >what other institutions received similar treatment. >   I Consider that the merger almost failed because a large block of stock was K controlled by the Packard family, who's interests are far from the ordinary 
 investors.    L >In the case of the DB decision, the employee decided against the good of DBK >customers and for a short term boost in DB business.  The DB employee left 5 >unceremoniously a short while after the story broke.  >   J I think, and many also do, that it was in both DBs customers and the banks	 interest.    > G >The fact that it is known that Carly used very "convincing tactics" to L >convince at least one institutional investor to vote for her means that oneL >will wonder what other institutions were the targets of Carly's "convincing	 tactics".  > L >Now comes an employee whose honesty and integrity have been put in questionG >(due to rsum lie). He is in charge of that controversial merger.  It  would F >seem that this guy might be more easy to "corrupt" and be swayed into8 >supporting Carly due to his past.  Image is everything. >   L So, are you accusing HP, or someone at HP of a felony?  Come on.  Let's hear) it.  Does the SEC know of your suspicion?   B >had this been a no-brainer merger with a clear cut support and no significant C >opposition, then this wouldn't be an issue. But since many serious 	 investors K >were against, then the role of the analysts becomes even more important in I >deciding on which side of the fence he, and all the investors who follow  his  >advice,  will sit.  >   0 Factor out the Packards, and it was a landslide.   > J >From ISS's point of view, next time comes a controversial merger and they are J >asked for their opinion, if that employee was still there, their image of: >integrity and independance would be somewhat compromised. >   K I agree that ISS has taken a blow here.  The fact they dismissed the person L is in their favor, and that they indicate that they had reviewed the opinion- and still stand by it also is in their favor.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:12:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... , Message-ID: <3D98BE26.C5384726@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:K > Consider that the merger almost failed because a large block of stock was M > controlled by the Packard family, who's interests are far from the ordinary  > investors.  J Hewlett's interests were far more towards profitable  printers and seriousM computers while Carly was focused on non-profitable industry standard junk to N compete against Dell. the H and P families had every right to be against this,( as were the other 30% who voted against.  L You should be happy that perhaps a last minute deal resulted in Carly havingH to reduce the "wintel" focus in exchange for the crucial vote, otherwiseL Stallard's original memo may have been official policy. (migrate everyone toI HP-UX) This is speculation on my part of course, but it would provide one : reason why Stallard's memo was written in the first place.  L > I think, and many also do, that it was in both DBs customers and the banks > interest.   N No. Remember that DB had originally annoucned it would vote against since theyN stated it would be against their customer's best interests to have HP squanderN money on a sick Compaq. At the last minute they changed their vote in exchangeN for banking business from HP (which doesn't benefit DB's customers). Clearly a conflict of interest here.  N > So, are you accusing HP, or someone at HP of a felony?  Come on.  Let's hear+ > it.  Does the SEC know of your suspicion?   M No, not accusing of wrongdoing by HP. Carly did her job trying to convince as M many as possible, and offering gifts to those who needed convincing. Offering N to give DB some banking business in exchange for their support is probably not  illegal from HP's point of view.  E But from DB's point of view, it is unethical to compromise customer's J investments in exchange for some banking business from HP. But then again,L when DB bought bankker's Trust, they bought all the "unethical" baggage thatE came with it. Adding one more story to that baggage isn't a big deal.   2 > Factor out the Packards, and it was a landslide.  G That is like saying "Factor out the opposition and it was a landslide".   H Remember that a large number of small investors followed the Hewlett and0 Packards in theior opposition for Carly's folly.  9 Remove either ISS or DB and the merger would have failed.     E By the way, HP announced about 1400 job terminations in France today.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:38:38 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... A Message-ID: <yv3m9.51136$Ii4.2571305@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:OC2m9.42$MY1.909479@news.cpqcorp.net...   ...   I > There was a note in here a week or so ago looking for developers in the K > Boston area.  They wanted Systems programmers, and are only interested in B > people with degree's from "Top Technical" schools...  What if anB > experienced, brilliant, degree'd from a small state college, and
 unemployedG > Systems engineer - recently layed off with wife and kids - padded his  resumeA > just enough to make it seem like he had a degree from Stanford.  > G > 1) He'd never get in the door without the degree.  2) He might end up  their ? > best employee.  3) He would get fired if the "lie" was found.  > B > On a scale of 1 to 3, where 3 means burning in hell, and 1 meansL > no-harm-no-foul -- where does this guy rank?  The requirement is stupid onK > it's face, but lying is also bad.  The guy does have a family to support, L > and no chance of getting the job without the lie.  If I were him - I think I E > could sleep at night if the lie got me the job.  It meets my simple  tests - I > he thinks (knows) he can do the job, the requirement (a "top" technical I > school degree) isn't critical to the work, and the person has reason to ! > believe they will perform well.   I I can see why you don't have problems with Carly:  you two appear to have 6 similar concepts of what constitutes ethical behavior.  L I've never lied on a resume to match a stated job requirement, regardless ofE my own suspicions about its relevance.  And I've never had difficulty E getting a job I wanted despite failing to match any such requirement: K requirements are just as negotiable as the other aspects of employment, and < that's the way to address the kind of issue you raise above.  D I do, however, tend not to bother investigating jobs which list suchB requirements, because I prefer working with people smart enough to# understand what they actually need.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:00:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... , Message-ID: <3D98C966.DD7B1C70@videotron.ca>  I > > Systems engineer - recently layed off with wife and kids - padded his  > resumeC > > just enough to make it seem like he had a degree from Stanford.   I If you don't have such a degree, then it is up to you to make your resume E convincing enough that they should make the exception and give you an H interview even though you don't have a degree from a famous institution.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 04:21:52 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... I Message-ID: <Ap9m9.109082$q41.29405@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D98C966.DD7B1C70@videotron.ca...K > > > Systems engineer - recently layed off with wife and kids - padded his 
 > > resumeE > > > just enough to make it seem like he had a degree from Stanford.  > K > If you don't have such a degree, then it is up to you to make your resume G > convincing enough that they should make the exception and give you an J > interview even though you don't have a degree from a famous institution.    L There are a lot of companies, or at least departments within companies, thatJ would not let you get your nose in the door for an interview if you didn'tF go to the 'correct' prep school or 'correct university, or have been aK member of the 'correct' frat, or played competitive varsity hockey, or some K other such sport, or didn't have the moniker Jr. or III after your name, no J matter how much knowledge or experience you may have. I've seen it where I
 used to work.   I And even if you do get into an organization like that, be prepared to NOT H rise to or near the top no matter how good or valuable your work is. YouC might get paid a lot of money, but you'll never be in a position of @ authority. You'll have lots of responsibility, but no authority.  I The 'you' above is not directed at anyone in particular - just people who K aren't 'the sort of people we are looking for', as I've heard it expressed. L Hard to believe that this kind of crap still occurs in this day and age, but it does.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:36:55 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> - Subject: Re: alpha hpicide come home to roost . Message-ID: <Xt3m9.264509$Jo.115990@rwcrnsc53>   bbbbbb9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87lm5neb5e.fsf@prep.synonet.com... $ > Drop over to the register and read > 4 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/27309.html > / > More of the positive merger synergy no doubt.   " Well, that's one way of puttng it! >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:11:03 -0400 2 From: "Homer J Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com>- Subject: Auction For True Digital Lovers Only A Message-ID: <%88m9.33947$IO5.4385703@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>   F This is my last and only set of original 1998 Digital 40th AnniversaryL playing cards.  They went extinct about a month later when Compaq bought the
 great DEC.  < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=719716194   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:49:58 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> , Subject: Re: Boycott The Body Shop !!!  9652' Message-ID: <3D989CD6.234DFBE3@vcu.edu>   F and now the local district court wants to put our land deeds, COMPLETEH WITH SSN'S AND SIGNATURES on the web...   I'm helping cause an uproar on that one...    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > 6 > Body Sop? I thought it was Panel Beaters over there! > ( > <owxzoc@britshit.org> wrote in message9 > news:3d978fb7$0$69050$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... M > > Description: Anita Roddick (founder and CEO of  The Body Shop) commentary E > for the London Independent regarding American civil liberties since  > 9/11/2001  > >  > > ---  > > I > > How has the world changed since Sept. 11? For one thing, Europeans no " > longer aspire to *be* Americans. > > J > > Who would, given how that country moves steadily and inexorably towardI > dictatorship? The American people, in a scant 12 months, have had their N > once-enviable civil liberties outrageously eroded in the name of patriotism.L > The ideals of freedom and democracy which America pledges to export acrossG > the globe have been perverted so spectacularly at home that America's ( > admirers hardly recognise her anymore. > > E > > Where once Americans reveled in their uniquely American right and M > willingness to criticize their government, they are now told that those who L > dissent are no better than terrorists, or terrorists themselves. They haveM > had their pride of country, their patriotism, hijacked by a self-interested L > and short-sighted government which steals freedoms from its own people andI > gives riches to corporations and "security" infrastructures such as the H > military, FBI, and CIA, all of which which have proven, in the past 12? > months, to be either fatally incompetent and totally corrupt.  > > J > > Those Americans who would question their government are told to "watchL > what they say." The FBI has been given broad reign to spy on citizens withM > phone taps and email snoops. Long-held ideals of fair and speedy trials are D > thrown out the window as suspected terrorists and sympathizers areC > "disappeared" like the enemies of Pinochet 20 years ago in Chile.  > > N > > In exchange for their freedoms, Americans are not safer now than they wereM > a year ago; in fact, they are probably less so. Their government is a rogue I > state, rejecting international consensus on every front and threatening E > first-strike nuclear attacks and politically expedient invasions of G > sovereign nations. America has more nuclear, biological, and chemical M > weapons that any other country, and it is the only nation to have used such M > a weapon against another. And still it stubbornly refuses any international L > effort or treaty to regulate, minimise, or eliminate such weapons, even asL > it uses Iraq's suspected possession of (or mere desire for) them as reason > for wholesale attack.  > > L > > America's us-against-the-world mentality has managed to wear away almostK > all of the remarkable international sympathy it built up just after Sept. N > 11. Bush & Co. has slapped the international community in the face as the itI > tried to embrace and console the United States. Now the enmity has left G > America alone, more reviled and isolated internationally than before.  > > H > > The scars of Ground Zero will heal, the grief at the loss of so manyH > innocents will ease, but the damage the United States has inflicted onJ > itself will last far longer. To hell with George Bush; God save America. > > ---  > > M > > A version of this article appeared in the London Independent on Sept. 11,  > 2002 > > ---- > > -  > > -  > > -  > > E > > lblyrevpjonhorkeoeviwwritzpbhnxtnzhlhlyknofbvguyebbjxmwkcbhkxowmp  > >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:36:55 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> , Subject: Re: Boycott The Body Shop !!!  9652? Message-ID: <Xt3m9.468681$kp.1323797@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   . "Jim Agnew" <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote in message! news:3D989CD6.234DFBE3@vcu.edu... H > and now the local district court wants to put our land deeds, COMPLETEJ > WITH SSN'S AND SIGNATURES on the web...   I'm helping cause an uproar on
 > that one...   C You have got to be joking, but I fear you are not. We now return to $ regularly scheduled VMS programming. >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > > 8 > > Body Sop? I thought it was Panel Beaters over there! > > * > > <owxzoc@britshit.org> wrote in message; > > news:3d978fb7$0$69050$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... D > > > Description: Anita Roddick (founder and CEO of  The Body Shop)
 commentaryG > > for the London Independent regarding American civil liberties since 
 > > 9/11/2001  > > > 	 > > > ---  > > > K > > > How has the world changed since Sept. 11? For one thing, Europeans no $ > > longer aspire to *be* Americans. > > > L > > > Who would, given how that country moves steadily and inexorably towardK > > dictatorship? The American people, in a scant 12 months, have had their D > > once-enviable civil liberties outrageously eroded in the name of patriotism. G > > The ideals of freedom and democracy which America pledges to export  acrossI > > the globe have been perverted so spectacularly at home that America's * > > admirers hardly recognise her anymore. > > > G > > > Where once Americans reveled in their uniquely American right and K > > willingness to criticize their government, they are now told that those  who I > > dissent are no better than terrorists, or terrorists themselves. They  have? > > had their pride of country, their patriotism, hijacked by a  self-interested J > > and short-sighted government which steals freedoms from its own people and K > > gives riches to corporations and "security" infrastructures such as the J > > military, FBI, and CIA, all of which which have proven, in the past 12A > > months, to be either fatally incompetent and totally corrupt.  > > > L > > > Those Americans who would question their government are told to "watchI > > what they say." The FBI has been given broad reign to spy on citizens  withK > > phone taps and email snoops. Long-held ideals of fair and speedy trials  are F > > thrown out the window as suspected terrorists and sympathizers areE > > "disappeared" like the enemies of Pinochet 20 years ago in Chile.  > > > K > > > In exchange for their freedoms, Americans are not safer now than they  wereI > > a year ago; in fact, they are probably less so. Their government is ai rogue K > > state, rejecting international consensus on every front and threatening G > > first-strike nuclear attacks and politically expedient invasions of I > > sovereign nations. America has more nuclear, biological, and chemicalrJ > > weapons that any other country, and it is the only nation to have used suchA > > a weapon against another. And still it stubbornly refuses anyr
 internationaleK > > effort or treaty to regulate, minimise, or eliminate such weapons, even  asG > > it uses Iraq's suspected possession of (or mere desire for) them ask reason > > for wholesale attack.e > > >eG > > > America's us-against-the-world mentality has managed to wear away  almostG > > all of the remarkable international sympathy it built up just afterk Sept.eI > > 11. Bush & Co. has slapped the international community in the face asv the itK > > tried to embrace and console the United States. Now the enmity has left I > > America alone, more reviled and isolated internationally than before.S > > >OJ > > > The scars of Ground Zero will heal, the grief at the loss of so manyJ > > innocents will ease, but the damage the United States has inflicted onL > > itself will last far longer. To hell with George Bush; God save America.	 > > > ---a > > >oK > > > A version of this article appeared in the London Independent on Sept.i 11,s > > 2002
 > > > ---- > > > -b > > > -n > > > -  > > >tG > > > lblyrevpjonhorkeoeviwwritzpbhnxtnzhlhlyknofbvguyebbjxmwkcbhkxowmp  > > >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:24:32 -0400i+ From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com> ) Subject: CFGETERRORs with TCP/IP 5.1 SMTPd) Message-ID: <3D986CB0.5D8E5EE0@yahoo.com>   D I'm seeing a problem with mail delivery of some messages on an AlphaC with TCP/IP V5.1 ECO 4,  The messages fail to be delivered with thee- following errors showing in the SMTP logfile:e  @ A permanent error makes this mail undeliverable. Must bounce it.C %TCPIP-E-SMTP_CFGETERROR, error getting address/domain from control.!  file, type of tridentusa.com<CR>n5 -RMS-W-RTB, 0 byte record too large for user's buffero  rE The domain name that's shown in the error message is our domain.  TheMD <CR> that I've shown on the end is actually a single carriage-return5 character in the log file when viewed with an editor.e  D It seems that the source of the problem is malformed mail messages. D These same messages have passed through a Unix server that's runningH sendmail though without any problem.  In any of the cases that I've beenB able to look at, the mail message contains multiple occurrences ofF successive carriage-return characters.  The only way I've been able toH see the actual incoming message has been when a bounce of the message isH attempted and then the system for the return-path of the message rejectsD or delays the bounce.  If the bounce stays in the queue long enough,@ I've been able to look at the _TEXT portion of the message which5 fortunately contains the unmodified incoming message.n  E Most, possibly all, of the messages are sent via automated processes, F not mail that's composed by human hands.  The messages will show lines like:m  : A line of text<CR><CR><LF>Another line of text<CR><CR><LF>  B It's seems that the two successive carriage-returns cause the SMTPH receiver to create a bogus control file entry for the message.  When the9 SMTP symbiont then goes to deliver the message, it bombs.(  G I've been able to re-process the mail messages via the SMTP SFF utilitylC without errors.  If I take the original message from the _TEXT file5A which includes these <CR> strings and use it to create a new mail G message with the SMTP commands for SFF added, SFF sends it and the SMTPx% symbiont delivers it with no problem.5  C I'd appreciate it if anyone knows if this problem has been fixed in F TCP/IP V5.3.  I think I remember reading in the 5.3 release notes thatH the control file format was revised for 5.3 so maybe the problem doesn't happen with 5.3.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:32:51 -0500e& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>* Subject: Re: Changing Strings in EXE files8 Message-ID: <t06hpu4c6mj67nvs885kpg95a2ve43a00a@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:53:14 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   
 >jlsue wrote:sI >> I'm sure this has already been answered, but my opinion and experience G >> is that *any* properly run change management  process will not allow@? >> *any* change, no matter how trivial it may seem, to get intot/ >> production without proper regresion testing.. >EE >Consider that *perhaps* anyone can play with an executable, but only K >authorized folks can place that executable in production. Those authorized.O >people have always been trusted NOT to mess with the code. (consider a bankingpI >aplication where the system manager might have used PATCH to add code to-  >transfer funds to his account.   C Again, no right-minded change control process trusts anyone to thatjF extent, without proper testing.  The extent of the testing, of course,0 depends greatly on the value of the application.  1 Latent bugs are just too easy to introduce, as myJ= half-joking-half-true quote about changing comments suggests.s   >/H >So like it or not, it is next to impossible to prevent a corrupt systemQ >manager from committing a fraud. This is why a system manager must be trustable.  >   = While I agree with much of this sentiment, it is also not tooeD difficult to audit things to check on said system manager.  Also, inF my time, I was so busy with system management I rarely got enough infoC about individual applications to be able to even make the necessaryc changes that might benefit me.  J >So if the system manager tells you he can patch the image to show the newD >company name in time for when the new owner comes to visit, and theN >programmers tell you it will take 2 weeks to go through the testing etc, what >will you do ?  @ Easy... I will recommend that they do it he proper way, and test thoroughly.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 03:15:25 GMT-( From: "Jay E. Morris" <jem@epsilon3.com> Subject: Re: DSM Docs On Line?; Message-ID: <hr8m9.50159$Fw2.1276691@twister.austin.rr.com>d  I In message <+ZZy4OyX7984@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.netd (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:@ > In article <up7if2t7oc4m03@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:A > > I'm no MUMPS expert but I think you can find what you need at>  > > http://www.intersystems.com/ > > / > > I believe that DSM has morphed into Cache'.  > ? > I was under the impression that Cache' is a different producthK > and that InterSystems still supports DSM (but does not add new features).cN Correct.  We had an InterSys engineer in last week.  There will be maintenanceJ releases as needed, and to keep current on OpenVMS, but no major upgrades.  M You might look for these books (I don't think any are still in print though):u The ABCs of Mumps 
 M Programmingo The Complete Mumps       --  @ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2002 13:39:32 -07004 From: francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.it (Francesco Gennai)& Subject: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)< Message-ID: <72f5654.0209301239.230b2170@posting.google.com>  A I would know if there are any e-mail web clients to access remoten< POP (optionally IMAP) mailboxes and to send messages by SMTPJ sessions that someone has successfully tested in some web/vms environment.  < For example I know about SilkyMail based on PHP, but I don't= know if someone has successfully installed and run it on VMS.i  http://www.cyrusoft.com  > Any other e-mail/web client that runs on OpenVMS could be good for me.-   Regards, Francesco Gennai   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:53:36 -0400q- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-* Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail), Message-ID: <3D98B9C8.AE9CB676@videotron.ca>   Francesco Gennai wrote:b > C > I would know if there are any e-mail web clients to access remoten> > POP (optionally IMAP) mailboxes and to send messages by SMTPL > sessions that someone has successfully tested in some web/vms environment.  N Yahmail runs on VMS and can connect to the DEC Threads server from Dave Jones. Accesses your VMSmail messages.   I ALL-IN-1 also has a web interface that allows IMAP-type of access to youri: emails and documents stored in your All-in-1 file cabinet.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 06:04:50 GMTp2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>* Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)+ Message-ID: <3D996314.3C585889@digital.com>b  D You could try using PHP to roll your own. There is a useful class at+ http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/POP3.phtmll5 (works for me reading VMSmail from Apache webserver.) G Unfortunately, mail once read is automatically moved out of the NEWMAIL0 folder.   C Otherwise, YAHmail works well on the OSU webserver. (Alpha or VAX.)t Have not tried it on Apache.   ~MikeD   Francesco Gennai wrote:r > C > I would know if there are any e-mail web clients to access remote > > POP (optionally IMAP) mailboxes and to send messages by SMTPL > sessions that someone has successfully tested in some web/vms environment. > > > For example I know about SilkyMail based on PHP, but I don't? > know if someone has successfully installed and run it on VMS.m >  http://www.cyrusoft.com > @ > Any other e-mail/web client that runs on OpenVMS could be good	 > for me.n > 
 > Regards, > Francesco Gennai   -- hE ---------------------------------------------------------------------.E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.s? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*rF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------s -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----m Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:40:57 -0400n2 From: "Homer J Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com>& Subject: FA: Digital HiNote AC AdapterA Message-ID: <hY5m9.32600$IO5.4314014@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>c   fr-pcp7h-ade= http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2058649100.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:37:31 -0400t& From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@rcn.com>D Subject: FYI, for those getting into St. Louis on Saturday for HPETS? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020930223704.046c9eb8@mail.rbnsn.com>   - [apologies in advance if this gets out twice]e  E In case you haven't been following baseball this year, the St. Louis uL Cardinals  (National League Central) are in the playoffs this year and will L be playing at least one game in St. Louis on Saturday.  There's another one & scheduled for Sunday, if it is needed.  
 Ken Robinson o   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Sep 2002 23:04 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?e- Message-ID: <30SEP200223044395@gerg.tamu.edu>   1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...0 }Ed Wilts wrote:G }> Disk drives are evil little pieces of spinning metal just waiting toc }> hurt you. } N }Out of curiosity, are your physical drives "the latest and greatest" in terms9 }of speed/capacity or are they a few generations behind ?f } H }I feel more confident with drives that are not at the current limits. IH }consider the "latest and greatest" to be Version 1.0 of a product. JustO }because they have found a way to put 50 gigs onto a drive doesn't mean it willr
 }be reliable.   B I'd like to point out that at this point a 50 gig drive is not theE latest and greatest. It's probably 2 steps behind that, soon to be 3. A (So you can run out and buy some if you want to since they aren'teE V1.0 anymore. They've probably had several firmware revisions by now,tG and presumably any harware changes needed to allow the vast majority ofr6 them to last until the end of the warranty, at least.)  C Current "latest and greatest" is around 150GB for SCSI, or slightlylA larger at about 160GB for ATA - I have no idea why ATA drives are-B typically a bit bigger in most "generations", perhaps they reserveB fewer blocks for bad block replacement or something. In a month orC two the ATA will go up to 320GB drives, if they havn't already, andeE SCSI will follow not too long after that (probaby maxing out at aboutj 300GB).e  F (Using decimal GB of course, as those are the figures on the boxes andE in the advertising. If SCSI drives were advertised using binary GB it>F would pretty much account for the size difference between them and theC ATA drives, but I haven't noticed that being done. 160GB decimal ish a smidge over 149GB binary.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 00:27:17 -0600t+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)d9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?n3 Message-ID: <OzdVQny+Pfy0@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  W In article <30SEP200223044395@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:t3 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...  > }Ed Wilts wrote:I > }> Disk drives are evil little pieces of spinning metal just waiting tod > }> hurt you. > } P > }Out of curiosity, are your physical drives "the latest and greatest" in terms; > }of speed/capacity or are they a few generations behind ?g > } J > }I feel more confident with drives that are not at the current limits. IJ > }consider the "latest and greatest" to be Version 1.0 of a product. JustQ > }because they have found a way to put 50 gigs onto a drive doesn't mean it willu > }be reliable.m > D > I'd like to point out that at this point a 50 gig drive is not theG > latest and greatest. It's probably 2 steps behind that, soon to be 3. C > (So you can run out and buy some if you want to since they aren't G > V1.0 anymore. They've probably had several firmware revisions by now,aI > and presumably any harware changes needed to allow the vast majority of-8 > them to last until the end of the warranty, at least.) > E > Current "latest and greatest" is around 150GB for SCSI, or slightly C > larger at about 160GB for ATA - I have no idea why ATA drives aretD > typically a bit bigger in most "generations", perhaps they reserveD > fewer blocks for bad block replacement or something. In a month orE > two the ATA will go up to 320GB drives, if they havn't already, andpG > SCSI will follow not too long after that (probaby maxing out at about-	 > 300GB).- >    	181 GByte SCSI:  Q http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1081,331,00.htmlR   				Roba   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:41:19 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>99 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ? , Message-ID: <3D99357E.823C48CF@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote: >         181 GByte SCSI:u > S > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1081,331,00.htmlm >   % Interesting point in that spec sheet: G 	Mature seventh-generation 7,200-RPM mechanism with proven reliability n    J 15 years has seen more than a thousand-fold increase in disk capacity. TheV RD54 circa 1987 was 154 megs. We are not in the 180 gig and beyond. Pretty impressive.  V In 15 years, perhaps we will be able to store all of humanity's knowledge in a laptop.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:29:02 -0400n% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>u Subject: Re: Hobbyist Licenset/ Message-ID: <uph5vg785lqh64@news.supernews.com>o  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:dODP5oC$anST@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > In article <xAUl9.88783$142.1109427@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.ats (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:t7 > > In article <qn3k1TfDfcef@eisner.encompasserve.org>,t/ Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:m >aE > >>That Product Authorization Key was added to the Hobbyist licenses C > >>specifically for the use of third parties who want to allow useoC > >>of their product by hobbyist without involving the hobbyist (oreB > >>the vendor) in an extra round of obtaining PAKs, regardless ofC > >>the fact that it would be free of charge.  This is not an issue B > >>with DEC/Compaq/HP products, since the Hobbyist Program issues' > >>individual PAKs for those products.  > >r > > That's what I know.o >s > > Any other product ?  >aC > I suppose Montegar (or anyone else) could post a list on the web. A > For that matter so could DECUServe.  Or anyone who posts there,w& > by using LATEST_RELEASE_INFORMATION. >s@ > But it would probably be good if one also listed products withB > independent hobbyist programs, where you get a separate PAK fromB > the vendor.  I am pretty sure that is the case for at least some> > product(s) from Process Software.  Does anyone want to start> > listing them in this topic (since it is not yet too crowded,? > especially compared to some of the "doom and gloom" topics) ?d  L The JAMS batch job scheduler has a hobbyist license.  It requires a separate PAK which is available at:   http://www.mvpsi.com/hobby.html-  L That web page also contains links to other OpenVMS hobbyist programs that we know about.e   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 03:57:44 GMTe2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>Y Subject: Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re:  OpenVMSMultisessior, Message-ID: <anb6fo011v2@enews4.newsguy.com>  5 Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: L > yup, I'm finding the latest vnc release to be quite sufficient, apart from > lack of direct VMS support.a  K What I found really irritating about VNC was that I was unable to have appseG running on my VMS server display on the VNC session running on my Linux K server.  In other words, I fire up a VNC session under Linux, connect to iteH on my WinXP box, and then tryed to get DECterm, or DECmail to display onD that VNC session, no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to work.  H I finally gave up when I found a version of X-Windows that runs on WinXPL (Cygwin I think), and set it up to act as an XTerminal for my VMS server.  IL just click on an icon on the WinXP desktop, and up pops the login screen forK my VMS server.  Not bad for some free software, though I must admit gettingn it setup was a royal pain.  I > As my ts10 hosted VMS installation runs pretty much like a MicroVAX II,a> > using vnc sure beats logging in every time I turn on the PC.  H For that you might want to take a look at 'screen'.  I run KLH10 and theJ simh PDP-11 emulators under screen.  That way I can run them detached, and6 access the 'system console' from any telnet session.    L In the 'tips and tricks' section of the PDP-10 page on my DEC Emulation siteL http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html I describe how to start such aL 'screen' session up in the background.  Perfect for having the emulator boot- your OS of choice as the UNIX host is booted.t  H I've yet to try running either the ts10 or simh VAX emulation.  I really2 don't see much use for running VMS that slow :^)     			Zanen   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:20:55 GMTg4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>Y Subject: Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMSMultisessiont0 Message-ID: <3D9893F1.F9551DE9@blueyonder.co.uk>   John Eisenschmidt wrote: > 8 > My brain almost exploded when I saw this subject line.  M Blame me, I decided to add some input about vnc to an old thread I discoveredsW in my research. In a moment of browser incompetance I sent my first reply (with changed V thread header) to email only then posted to news but forgot the change the header that time.-   > ' > No you don't. NO YOU DON'T! NO NO NO!M  F > And it sounds like for what you want to do, VNC of Hummingbird would; > do the same thing, unless you want an Alpha on each desk.4  J yup, I'm finding the latest vnc release to be quite sufficient, apart from lack of direct VMS support.   G As my ts10 hosted VMS installation runs pretty much like a MicroVAX II,i< using vnc sure beats logging in every time I turn on the PC.   regardsh -- n tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk o  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:16:57 GMT,2 From: "Phillip Sobottke" <psobottke@ameritech.net># Subject: Re: Monitor over frequency ? Message-ID: <db3m9.1644$F53.1753174@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   F Actually I just resolved the problem by swapping monitors.  I'm up and running now.  Thanks. @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:2RYl9.17$%H1.374825@news.cpqcorp.net...B > You need to tell us what the graphics card is.  Most cards allow
 adjustment& > of the resolution and refresh rates. >i# > Phillip Sobottke wrote in messagef8 > <2JEl9.1501$F53.1561537@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...D > >I have a Digital Ultimate workstation that I am trying to get VMS	 installed K > >on.  When I boot after installation, and the alpha system console starts H > >up...shortly thereafter my monitor shuts down (over frequency).  Do I needD > >to try a different monitor, or can I adjust the frequency setting somehow? > >  > >o >o >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:01:55 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e" Subject: Re: Nameserver resolving., Message-ID: <3D989FA2.7F333DFC@videotron.ca>   Martin Zijderhand wrote:; > and ucx sh host the local host will be displayed and theni > ( > %UCX-W-NORECORD, Information not found > @ > -UCX-E-BIND_READERR, Error reading/interpreting query response    + I am not familiar with the older UCX, but :s  N have you tried SHOW NAME ?  It shoudl show the bind RESOLVER status. Make sureN it is enabled started and that there is one valud host on the "servers:" line.  G Then, on that host on which runs a bind resolver, you do a show servicee' bind/full to see if it is also running.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:49:52 +0200t" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>" Subject: Re: Nameserver resolving.5 Message-ID: <ana9th$cho7d$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>n   Martin,d  I IIRC you've got to start the name server manually. UCX$CONFIG does not do G that by itself. And JF Mezei was quite correct to suggest the  UCX SHOWk; NAME_SERVER command, and you might want to look at UCX SHOWxI NAME_SERVER/STATISTICS because it will give you the name of the log file.m3 That might give you additional information as well.-   Hans  E "Martin Zijderhand" <martin.zijderhand@centric.nl> schreef in bericht , news:an9hii$ko0$1@magellan.sys.centric.nl... > Hi," > ! > We've got some errors with UCX.0 >e > Using mc ucx$nslookupo >s > > ls sys.centric.nlf >e > [thunderchild.sys.centric.nl]m >a5 > *** Can't list domain sys.centric.nl: Query refusedm >n >e >-; > and ucx sh host the local host will be displayed and thenu > ( > %UCX-W-NORECORD, Information not found > @ > -UCX-E-BIND_READERR, Error reading/interpreting query response > , > Who can help me to resolve these problems? >g >o >  >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:47:33 -0400o* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>& Subject: Pathworks, and shares on PC's5 Message-ID: <fK2m9.14057$H67.64770@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>o  B Since peecees's command language (DOS) is dumb and insufficient toL accomplish most tasks, and because I don't know (nor want to learn just thisJ morning) VBscript or something akin, I was wondering if it was possible to( copy a VMS file to a PC share, from DCL.H From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS, very easily3 (COPY \\PC\SHARENAME\FILE.TXT \\VMS\SHARENAME\*.*). # How about doing the same, from VMS?o  D If it can be done, please give a reference to the manual where it is! explained, or the command syntax. L I don't really know where to start looking (keywords to search in the book`s index or the AskOpenVMS).o   Thanks   --   Syltrem.I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)h8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:24:46 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>-* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's( Message-ID: <3D98CF2E.2070805@rdrop.com>   Syltrem wrote:?  > From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS,   > very easily5  >(COPY \\PC\SHARENAME\FILE.TXT \\VMS\SHARENAME\*.*).l&  > How about doing the same, from VMS?  . Pathworks? Not that I could tell.  Samba, yes.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:28:19 GMTn* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC'sA Message-ID: <n65m9.45090$q42.2622028@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message / news:fK2m9.14057$H67.64770@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... ' > I was wondering if it was possible toi* > copy a VMS file to a PC share, from DCL.J > From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS, very easily >iL Not very common but you might consider NFS shared directories instead of SMBF shares.  Take a look at Unix Services for Windows (it's fairly cheap).    Jack Peacocki   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:19:33 -0400e1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>n* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's2 Message-ID: <3D98EA15.D943C06C@firstdbasource.com>   Jack Peacock wrote:E > 7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message11 > news:fK2m9.14057$H67.64770@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...,) > > I was wondering if it was possible toe, > > copy a VMS file to a PC share, from DCL.L > > From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS, very easily > > N > Not very common but you might consider NFS shared directories instead of SMBH > shares.  Take a look at Unix Services for Windows (it's fairly cheap). >    Jack Peacock   E How much cheaper than free can you get...  Samba works great,  but ifrB you want to pay for something, look at Advanced Server for OpenVMS  ...very similar to Pathworks :)  -- A Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163 7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comhE                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmla/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)v   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 00:21:57 GMT . From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's= Message-ID: <FU5m9.16861$ji3.17105@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   H Who is serving the share that the file is being copied to?  Pathworks or W95/98/WNT?r   Regards, Tomr  5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messagee/ news:fK2m9.14057$H67.64770@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...dD > Since peecees's command language (DOS) is dumb and insufficient toI > accomplish most tasks, and because I don't know (nor want to learn justh thisL > morning) VBscript or something akin, I was wondering if it was possible to* > copy a VMS file to a PC share, from DCL.J > From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS, very easily5 > (COPY \\PC\SHARENAME\FILE.TXT \\VMS\SHARENAME\*.*).r% > How about doing the same, from VMS?B >aF > If it can be done, please give a reference to the manual where it is# > explained, or the command syntax.yG > I don't really know where to start looking (keywords to search in the  book`s > index or the AskOpenVMS).  >  > Thanks >g > -- >d	 > SyltrempK > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)n: > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >o >t >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:49:18 GMT 2 From: "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC'sD Message-ID: <ya7m9.2079$lV3.173025@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  8 I ftp to and from vms all the time, ftp is free and goes
 both ways.   Bill  5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messagey/ news:fK2m9.14057$H67.64770@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...eD > Since peecees's command language (DOS) is dumb and insufficient toI > accomplish most tasks, and because I don't know (nor want to learn justn thisL > morning) VBscript or something akin, I was wondering if it was possible to* > copy a VMS file to a PC share, from DCL.J > From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS, very easily5 > (COPY \\PC\SHARENAME\FILE.TXT \\VMS\SHARENAME\*.*).r% > How about doing the same, from VMS?s >nF > If it can be done, please give a reference to the manual where it is# > explained, or the command syntax. G > I don't really know where to start looking (keywords to search in the  book`s > index or the AskOpenVMS).i >  > Thanks >h > -- >h	 > Syltrem K > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) : > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >f >  >y >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:14:14 -0400t; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> ) Subject: Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?t$ Message-ID: <3d98b0ec$1@news.si.com>  3 >Do the two boot servers have a shared system disk?    Yes. --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comoA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com0= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventc< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2002 18:23:30 -0700/ From: chinachowchow@mailcity.com (Rick Nickles)w= Subject: Re: Seeking Senior VMS System Administrator PositionE= Message-ID: <ac4e3b24.0209301723.60b03650@posting.google.com>   @ Thanks everyone for the thoughts!!  I'm still out of work, stillE looking hard, and open to any suggestions anyone may have.  I've beenoA considering whether it's worth the $1500 to go to HPETS2002... in!D hopes..   If anyone has any contacts that may be of help, please let me know.   Thanks Rick Nickles        ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D87D883.DC6FD00E@fsi.net>... > Rick Nickles wrote:i > >  > > Greetings! > > H > >      I was recently involved in a major downsizing, and I am seekingD > > employment.  If there is anyone who knows of any VMS openings orE > > anything that may be appropriate for a person with a MS degree in E > > Computer Science and 15 years of VMS experience.  Apparently thisoG > > layoff was primarily due to the financial state of our company, andtH > > also due to the fact that they do not plan to use VMS in the future.I > > I would be more than happy to forward my resume on request. Thank you " > > so much for any help or ideas. >  > Hi, Rick,r > E > Saw a post by way of HotJobs for a VMS SysAdmin in Cinci. Posted bye > Robert Half. > = > http://www.hotjobs.com/cgi-bin/job-show?J__PINDEX=JEJ2K7O5Ui   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:05:49 -0400o* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>= Subject: Re: Seeking Senior VMS System Administrator Positiono- Message-ID: <3D98CABD.30945.3C3AC5@localhost>   , On 30 Sep 2002 at 18:23, Rick Nickles wrote:B > Thanks everyone for the thoughts!!  I'm still out of work, stillG > looking hard, and open to any suggestions anyone may have.  I've beeni@ > considering whether it's worth the $1500 to go to HPETS2002...  B If you're good at multiple-choice tests, with your experience, it C would be worth your while to spend about $200 at www.2test.com and  E pass the tests to become a HP Certified OpenVMS System Administrator.   F Why?  That knocks down your admission to HPETS to $795.  And it looks  good on the resume.t  < Check out all the info at www.compaq.com/certification/na	 .    F When you get to St. Louis, you might want to stay at the Day's Inn.   E $80 per night, instead of the $100 - $200 that the "official" hotels   charge. 
 --Stan Quaylen Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671s1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147e= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:06:55 -0400e+ From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com>n Subject: Re: TCPIP BIND stuff ) Message-ID: <3D98CAFF.6795AEA0@yahoo.com>u  D The approach we use here is to use setup the tcpip$bind.conf file by@ hand but then do routine zone file changes with $ tcpip set hostB commands followed by a command file to update the BIND .DB files. # Something like a command file with:   * $ tcpip convert/unix host backup_hostsfile& $ copy backup_hostsfile backup_node1::& $ copy backup_hostsfile backup_node2::0 $ tcpip convert/unix bind /domain=tridentusa.com5 $ tcpip convert/unix bind /domain=16.172.in-addr.arpav5 $ tcpip convert/unix bind /domain=17.172.in-addr.arpat# $ tcpip set name_service/initializem     JF Mezei wrote:i >  > Jason Fountain wrote:lM > > Starting with TCP/IP Services v5.0 the information in the CONF BIND is not# > > longer used by the BIND server.i > K > yep, the manual does make it clear, but it also leaves the option open tofJ > continue to use the TCPIP SET CONF BIND commands followed by the CONVERT) > command to generate the "real" configs.  > L > So if you go to a new site and are not sure what method was being used, itM > could lead to problems if you make a change using the wrong method. That iskK > why I was suggesting having a flag in the TCPIP> SET CONF BIND that would2N > clearly indicate that this config is not being used, and blocking the use of- > those commands. That would make it obvious.B > J > > In V5.3 you can dump the db with the rndc utility (in 5.1 it was ndc): > >  > > $rndc dumpdb > P > On VMS 5.3, the rndc symbol does exist after tcpip$define_commands, but pointsN > to a non existant executable on VAX ( TCPIP$RNDC.EXE doesn't exist), but theF > TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_CONTROL.EXE does exist and has the dumpdb command. > " > > The cache is stored in memory. > 	 > Thanks.B   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:45:21 -0400o+ From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 DCL / MX ) Message-ID: <3D98C5F1.2435BED2@yahoo.com>c   Chris Sharman wrote: > @ > I don't think this is an MX problem - more likely VMS 7.3 DCL. > * > $ mail msg.txt/subj="Test" mx%agent-13880 > $ mail msg.txt/subj="Test" mx%"fred@there.com", > $ mail msg.txt/subj="Test" mx%"agent-1388" > @ > all used to work (I believe - not 100% sure of the first one).2 > AGENT-1388 is an alias in our MX alias database. > 9 > Now the only thing that works is "mx%""agent-1388""" orc > "mx%""fred@there.com""" 5 > (the mx% is redundant with fred@there.com, I know).e > H > From the mail> prompt, nothing's changed: mx%"agent-1388" still works.I > Can anyone confirm this is a VMS 7.3 DCL thing ? Perhaps related to theo > parsing changes ?w  G This is the behavior that I've seen with V7.3, V7.2, and V7.1.  I thinkb I saw it with V6.2 also.  I > Is there a fix, or am I going to have to alter every DCL mail command ?h >  > Thanks, Chris Sharmani   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:57:57 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) , Message-ID: <3D989EB4.C1A85BF6@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:7 > EV8 would not have supported pages smaller than 64kb.e  K Pardon my ignorance here, but what advantage does having a larger page sizeg give ?  L I realise that with machines with terabytes of RAM, having larger page sizesI means you have fewer pages to manage. But does that offer any performancex advantage ?l  O Who does the mapping between real and virtual memory ? the OS or the hardware ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:16:37 GMTs5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>.9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)-3 Message-ID: <Fi2m9.41$e42.1117321@news.cpqcorp.net>2  E Correct.  Larger pages effectively higher max memory sizes, with less 	 overhead.E  K On the other hand, larger pages also increases minimum memory size, because7H some things use memory inefficiently - for instance page protections - aI single byte of read-only data will require at least a page of memory.  IfiL things cannot be coaleced into a single page, you end up wasting significantI memory.  So, if the number of units (pages) that can have seperate ownersiD and protections remains constant - you will end up with more memory.      E Atlant Schmidt wrote in message <3D98ABBE.10F5FC3B@mindspring.com>...k >JF Mezei wrote: >uI >> Pardon my ignorance here, but what advantage does having a larger pageT size	 >> give ?  >e4 >Because Page Table Entries (PTEs) were 4 bytes long. >and each 512-byte page pf VAX memory required2 >one, page tables on a VAX consumed an appreciable& >portion of the then-expensive memory. >o >*PLUS*x >t. >Because you don't want every memory access to1 >also require one (or three) page table accesses,h0 >Page Table Entries are cached in the processor./ >Bigger pages require fewer PTEs to map a givenb4 >region of memory so your PTE cache in the processor8 >can go a lot farther with a 64KB page than with a 0.5KB >page. >f > G >> Who does the mapping between real and virtual memory ? the OS or the 
 hardware ? >  >Err, both, *AND* PALcode. > . >Hardware tries to map a given virtual address0 >to a physical address using the contents of the- >PTE cache (Translation Look-Aside Buffers ort4 >TLBs) on the chip. Failing that, hardware faults to/ >PALcode which tries to reload one or more TLBsb1 >from the contents of the PTEs in memory. Failinge0 >*THAT*, software does a good old page fault and- >modifies the contents of the PTEs in memory.,0 >Control then passes right back up the hierarchy- >from software to PALcode and from PALcode too- >hardware and your virtual address can now be  >successfully translated.  >r >(Or you die.) >- >Atlant- >-! >(Hey Hein, is that better? :-) )0 >5 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:08:44 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)s, Message-ID: <3D98A13B.D73E2194@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:C > By your reasoning, if an Alpha was embedded in a copier running aoG > Windows-like OS, then we should also have the vision to produce a VMSd > version for it.     J If The copier offered a platform that woudl have opened VMS to a market it didn't already have, the YES.a  L Multia was the much needed "low end VMS" platform that was missing. It wouldN have opened (or re-opened) the low end workstation market. And yes, Multia mayI not have been so great with expansion etc, but neither were macintoshes. O  D There was an opportunity for VMS and the opportunity was squandered.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:53:34 -0400o2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)e. Message-ID: <3D98ABBE.10F5FC3B@mindspring.com>   JF Mezei wrote:-  M > Pardon my ignorance here, but what advantage does having a larger page size  > give ?  3 Because Page Table Entries (PTEs) were 4 bytes longg- and each 512-byte page pf VAX memory requiredl1 one, page tables on a VAX consumed an appreciablec% portion of the then-expensive memory.l   *PLUS*  - Because you don't want every memory access toa0 also require one (or three) page table accesses,/ Page Table Entries are cached in the processor.l. Bigger pages require fewer PTEs to map a given3 region of memory so your PTE cache in the processorw7 can go a lot farther with a 64KB page than with a 0.5KBn page.S    Q > Who does the mapping between real and virtual memory ? the OS or the hardware ?-   Err, both, *AND* PALcode.:  - Hardware tries to map a given virtual addresse/ to a physical address using the contents of theM, PTE cache (Translation Look-Aside Buffers or3 TLBs) on the chip. Failing that, hardware faults toi. PALcode which tries to reload one or more TLBs0 from the contents of the PTEs in memory. Failing/ *THAT*, software does a good old page fault andu, modifies the contents of the PTEs in memory./ Control then passes right back up the hierarchyC, from software to PALcode and from PALcode to, hardware and your virtual address can now be successfully translated.  
 (Or you die.)    Atlant    (Hey Hein, is that better? :-) )   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:33:02 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)i, Message-ID: <3D98B4F7.C42C4149@videotron.ca>   Atlant Schmidt wrote: 5 > Because Page Table Entries (PTEs) were 4 bytes long / > and each 512-byte page pf VAX memory requiredr3 > one, page tables on a VAX consumed an appreciablen' > portion of the then-expensive memory.l  L Is it correct to assume that memory consumption for PTEs on Alpha is also an issue ?v  J If a single PTE uses 4 bytes, does this mean that the PTE table requires a multiplication ?  N eg: I want to translate virtual memory 200 : multiply 200 * 4 , add it to baseN of the PTE and that gives me the address of where the phsycal address to which6 "200" is mapped resides. Is that what really happens ?  K I assume that there is specialized hardware that does the above and not CPUa  instructions that are executed ?    N Before, I felt guilty when my program would force my all mighty microvax II toE do a disk IO. Now I think I will feel guilty if it even has to accessi! memory... Long live registers :-)-   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2002 15:51:59 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0209301451.16a38371@posting.google.com>   l "rob@ NetCarrier" <rob@paychoice.com> wrote in message news:<9QZl9.367$tB6.107352107@news.netcarrier.net>...L > Well  With the last couple updates for Security  I've been waiting for Bob > C's spin on this?e > B >                                                              Rob > A what spin?  if you use wasd or webes shareware, this can and doesCD happen ... it happens with apache and it happens w/ucx, although ucx? was a file protection glitch ... since I use none of the above,e I am batting 1000 still ...l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:04:03 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>/? Subject: Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAX-+ Message-ID: <3D98A022.99AA5E4@videotron.ca>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:H > for that debate.  Then of course, there is the Sun attack dog, Andrew.    3 Hey, I enjoy the catfight between you and Andrew...0   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 05:18:24 GMTt- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)s? Subject: Re: What do the readers want in comp.os.vms / INFO-VAXt5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-U04qmwlkN7sX@localhost>g  > On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 08:32:23 UTC, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave  Weatherall) wrote:  C > On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:14:55 UTC, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= -$ > <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote: >  > > Do people prefer:P > > > > > A) Evaluation of Digital/Compaq/HP management, speculationD > >     about what motivs there were for past decisions, speculationC > >     about what future decisions will be, discussions about whateB > >     decisions should be made, analysis of financials etc.etc.. > > H > > B) Technical questions and answers about DCL, VMS system management,F > >     programming on VMS and VMS capable hardware, discussions aboutJ > >     which technical features future VMS versions should have etc.etc.. > >  > > C) Both. > >  > > ?b > >  > > Arne > >  >  > T'would have to be 'C'.f > H > You can't always divorce the one from the other, particularly when youF > have to argue the case for keeping (or not!) 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