1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 02 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 543       Contents:C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) 0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium ; Re: Celera Throws Compaq Servers In Trash - Forbes Magazine $ Re: CFGETERRORs with TCP/IP 5.1 SMTP( Digital Items on eBay End Wednesday 10/2 Re: DSM Docs On Line? ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail) . F$GETQUI entry completion in the middle ages ?2 Re: F$GETQUI entry completion in the middle ages ? Getting started with VMS? 0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?  Help: Need vms721_pcsi-v0100 kit$ Re: Help: Need vms721_pcsi-v0100 kit3 HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! . http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/2 Re: http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/ jEdit install question& Re: jEdit support for Macro-32 & Bliss LAT terminal server  Re: LAT terminal server < My VMS Webserver book is available - missing acknowledgments@ Re: My VMS Webserver book is available - missing acknowledgments@ Re: My VMS Webserver book is available - missing acknowledgments OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist? % OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! ) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! ) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! ) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! ) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!   Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless?% Result of search directly to a symbol ) Re: Result of search directly to a symbol ) Re: Result of search directly to a symbol  Re: search command Re: search command Re: search command Re: Suggestion for SEARCH  Re: Suggestion for SEARCH  Re: UAF Problem  Re: UAF Problem  Re: UAF Problem  Re: UAF Problem # Re: Upgrade from OpenVMS 6.2 to 7.2  Upgrade to 7.3-1 from 7.1-1H2 ! Re: Upgrade to 7.3-1 from 7.1-1H2  Re: VMS 7.3 DCL / MX VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boot0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued ! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued ! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued ! RE: WASD Security Advisory Issued ! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued " Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?" Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ? Re: Writing a VMS CLI ? 7 Re: Writing a VMS CLI ?, was: Re: Suggestion for SEARCH 7 Re: Writing a VMS CLI ?, was: Re: Suggestion for SEARCH 7 Re: Writing a VMS CLI ?, was: Re: Suggestion for SEARCH   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 13:56:13 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)3 Message-ID: <eF32XRhcn$gu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <Gwhm9.272085$Jo.125606@rwcrnsc53>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes: > A > "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message * > news:3D99A343.9BF80864@mindspring.com... >>4 >> 'Cause otherwise I'll have to explain to everyone1 >> how the blackouts have now been proven to have 1 >> been caused by Texas energy firms deliberately $ >> attempting to gouge California... > G > OK, let's see the legal proof. Something that will stand up in court.   G    Of course it won't stand up in court.  Those companies own the laws, ,    or at least the politicians writing them.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 12:11:38 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210011111.c66fe99@posting.google.com>  Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3D996676.CC54A88C@127.0.0.1>...  > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > y > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<bPFl9.363298$5r1.16859132@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...  > > > (URL below wraps)  > > > R > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/29/technology/circuits/29CHIP.html?ex=1033876& > > > 800&en=573e03cf736d51a5&ei=5062& > > H > > all this tells us is that google can't afford to pay for a few extraG > > volts of electicity ... doubts about whether co's will want to move G > > to a new architecture are old news ... this repeats the doubts from $ > > the past ... useless article ... > 7 > Look at this power (pun not intended) in perspective.  > I > More power (not volts specifically) = more heat = more air conditioning I > = more UPSes = more contracts and so on. Ever been in a place where the A > heat output of a human also has to be taken into consideration?  > H > So it is more than just the power bills (again puns not intended) that	 > matter.  >  > Did someone say floorspace?   @ that's what happens when you run windoze ... 80,000 box farms to@ deal with ... if they were on alpha, you would have only I would: say 4 boxes to deal with and a lot fewer cpus burning that= precious energy ... they are concerned about all of the above 8 you stated but are running windoze ... makes real sense!   ------------------------------  " Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:55:24 GMT- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)& Message-ID: <H3BGKC.EL8@world.std.com>  # C.O.V: The older grumpier Slashdot.   - -brian. (DAMN HIPPY KIDS!  GET OFFA MY LAWN!)     = In article <vwkm9.25102$ji3.29435@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, 0 Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:> > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message* > news:Gwhm9.272085$Jo.125606@rwcrnsc53...C > > "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message , > > news:3D99A343.9BF80864@mindspring.com... > > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:   8 > > > > Thzt pretty much sums it up, especially in Govt.3 > > > > Gray "Blackout" Davis' State of California.  > > > 3 > > > Uh oh, someone yell at Terry. He's once again 1 > > > inserted a gratuitous slam at the Left into ! > > > an otherwise on-topic post.  > > C > > Why don't YOU yell? Too lazy? I can be reached at 508 881 5563.  > > 6 > > Hey, ever fight fpor your country? Dodge a bullet? > > & > > The crap I do for the likes of you > >  > >  > > > 7 > > > 'Cause otherwise I'll have to explain to everyone 4 > > > how the blackouts have now been proven to have4 > > > been caused by Texas energy firms deliberately' > > > attempting to gouge California...  > > >  > > > Atlant > > >  > > I > > OK, let's see the legal proof. Something that will stand up in court.  > >  > > I'm waiting... > > I > Still waiting. How was your tour in Desert Storm or Viet Nam? Or was it  > Berkeley or Sweden???? > N > Had I known I'd be defending vermin like you, I might have chosen one of the5 > latter venues, like Prevaricator in Chief Clinton .  > J > LONG LIVE AMERICA, MORE THAN ENOUGH TO KICK ANY AND ALL TALIBAN BUTT!!!! >  > Viva W-88! >  >  >  >      --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----H This counter is [6,177,399,753] times as pointless as a real one.  -- K.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 12:52:35 -0700 ! From: gokrix@hotmail.com (gokrix) L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)= Message-ID: <50e71495.0210011152.2791ae61@posting.google.com>   m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0209301448.56cabc4b@posting.google.com>...    > F > all this tells us is that google can't afford to pay for a few extraE > volts of electicity ... doubts about whether co's will want to move E > to a new architecture are old news ... this repeats the doubts from " > the past ... useless article ...   It's Watts, not Volts.   --GS   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:14:15 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)A Message-ID: <bumm9.68690$Ii4.2896340@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message7 news:vwkm9.25102$ji3.29435@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...    ...   & > > The crap I do for the likes of you  L The problem, Terry, is that a great deal of it *is* crap, and that while youK may think you're doing it for the likes of us we'd really rather you didn't + (so that's why you may feel unappreciated).    ...   I > Still waiting. How was your tour in Desert Storm or Viet Nam? Or was it  > Berkeley or Sweden????  L Can't speak for anyone else, but my own contribution to Vietnam was refusingL induction when the time came to do so and working with disturbed adolescentsK for 3 years as a conscientious objector (though I don't fault those who may  have pursued other courses).  J Since then, I've at least made some attempts to steer this country in lessJ damaging directions.  My most current observation in that vein is that theH governments most deserving of being toppled "by any means necessary" areJ precisely those who advocate "regime change by any means necessary", sinceJ they're far more dangerous to world stability than the pigmys they want to	 stomp on.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:41:06 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)A Message-ID: <lTmm9.68952$Ii4.2897122@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   3 "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message 2 news:aeajpuk4701mbqoqohpcsf8nr98hkmivfb@4ax.com...H > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:30:48 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote: >  > > 8 > >"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message@ > >news:bPFl9.363298$5r1.16859132@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > >> (URL below wraps) > >> > >> > L >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/29/technology/circuits/29CHIP.html?ex=103387 6 % > >> 800&en=573e03cf736d51a5&ei=5062&  > > H > >Rats - looks as if they make you register for it after it's no longerL > >current.  So I'll reproduce it below for the convenience of those who may > >find that difficult:  > >  > - > Now there's a little ethical irony for you.   A Not if you bother to check before offering an uninformed opinion.   D The NYT article was freely accessible on Sunday when I referenced itI dutifully with a URL, with no indication that it would be less accessible J later.  It also provided a 'printer-friendly' version, which happens to beH what I posted - and also happens to be an explicit invitation to copyingK (and I was careful to include the copyright notice when posting it, to keep H its provenance clear).  But the clearest indication that the NYT doesn'tI object to my posting is in their 'rights and permissions' FAQ, where they J indicate explicitly that a newsgroup posting is acceptable if the materialH cannot be linked to at nytimes.com (which, as of yesterday, it no longerB could be:  the link instead dropped you into a registration page).   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:04:34 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)A Message-ID: <mdnm9.61829$q42.2851696@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   J "GcE" <gce@gce.com> wrote in message news:ancdbr$l9h$1@bob.news.rcn.net...   ...   ( > Please keep political rants off C.O.V.  I Yes, I read your subsequent indication that this message was not intended H for c.o.v.  But it was a good one, and I (at least) am glad it appeared.  L > Had California not had its regulatory mispolicy in place, there would havdJ > not been the shortages that enabled Enron and others to game the market.J > The possibility of such gaming (indeed, its inevitability) had been wellK > predicted by folks critical of the legislature's moves there. Yet another I > example of a legislature that causes huge damage through being clueless  > about what they were doing.   L Well, perhaps not so much clueless as careless.  The parallel you draw belowL with so-called anti-terror legislation is a good one, and in both cases it'sH arguable that some action was appropriate even if the particular actionsL that occurred were not.  I tend to agree that no law is better than bad law,F but am perhaps more optimistic that those aren't the only two options.  I The intent of the California legislation clearly was not to enable energy D brokers to game the market.  I certainly hope that the intent of theI anti-terror legislation (and unlegislated adminstrative changes that have L yet to be tested in court) has not been to undermine civil liberties, thoughK I'm a great deal more suspicious that this was indeed the intent of some of G those who helped draft it than I am of the intentions of the California  crew.   K And I certainly share your disappointment that no significant Congressional @ opposition arose in defense of civil liberties:  even though theI Administration had successfully wrapped its excesses in the flag early-on G and made this difficult, I would have expected more of many legislators > whose principles I used to hold in considerably higher esteem.   - bill  .  Doesn't the behavior of Congress over in D.C.G > give ample illustration of how this can happen? The more activist the H > legislature the oftener in ny observation this happens. Generally thatK > has happened under Democratic administrations, but while DMCA and similar J > giveaways of public information and secrity research inhibition happenedI > under Clinton, the rush to put in "anti terror" placebos (whose effects J > on civil liberties are alas NOT harmless) happened under bush this time. With notA > much criticism from either side of the aisle when it counted...  > ,grumbles of disgust.  > ? > The "proof" isn't worth the powder to blow it to Hell though. H > If anything all that is proven is that legislators tend to be cluelessG > and that some business people have the ethics of alley cats. A plague  > on both their houses.  >  > Glenn Everhart >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:36:30 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... A Message-ID: <5Gnm9.62087$q42.2852568@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   3 "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message 2 news:3o9jpucr6q31sasb9h5jj45r16d4gpk4mn@4ax.com...H > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:38:38 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote: >  > > L > >I can see why you don't have problems with Carly:  you two appear to have9 > >similar concepts of what constitutes ethical behavior.  > & > Well, aren't we sanctimonious today.  L I'd say that equating ethics (and the espousal thereof) to sanctimony says a) lot more about you than it does about me.    ...   D > One's need to eat - and support a family - can make one do strange8 > things, though.  But for the grace of God, there go I.  I You seem to have missed the less-than-subtle distinction between "need to E eat" and "desire to obtain an exclusive, high-paying job whose stated L requirements you don't meet, rather than some slightly lower-paying positionK that would still place you in the top 10% of wage-earners".  But given your J apparently fluid attitude toward ethics in general, this does not surprise me.    > C > If someone can't do the job they've been hired to do, then by all E > means, take them out of that job.  However, if they can perform all B > that's required of them, no piece of paper should mean more than > actual ability.   J In the capitalistic world I'm familiar with, it's the employer who gets to= make that determination (whether or not it's a sensible one).    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:36:32 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... C Message-ID: <kHnm9.350062$216.14276378@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   3 "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message 2 news:3o9jpucr6q31sasb9h5jj45r16d4gpk4mn@4ax.com...H > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:38:38 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote: >  > > L > >I can see why you don't have problems with Carly:  you two appear to have9 > >similar concepts of what constitutes ethical behavior.  > & > Well, aren't we sanctimonious today.  L I'd say that equating ethics (and the espousal thereof) to sanctimony says a) lot more about you than it does about me.    ...   D > One's need to eat - and support a family - can make one do strange8 > things, though.  But for the grace of God, there go I.  I You seem to have missed the less-than-subtle distinction between "need to E eat" and "desire to obtain an exclusive, high-paying job whose stated L requirements you don't meet, rather than some slightly lower-paying positionK that would still place you in the top 10% of wage-earners".  But given your J apparently fluid attitude toward ethics in general, this does not surprise me.    > C > If someone can't do the job they've been hired to do, then by all E > means, take them out of that job.  However, if they can perform all B > that's required of them, no piece of paper should mean more than > actual ability.   J In the capitalistic world I'm familiar with, it's the employer who gets to= make that determination (whether or not it's a sensible one).    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 17:37:57 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <JWkfYy1brMdb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <alqe7e$kta$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes: > OpenVMS Into the Future  > K > Hewlett Packard's OpenVMS Engineering organization is pleased to announce K > the first annual OpenVMS Symposium. The OpenVMS Symposium will take place I > November 19-21 2002 at the Sheraton Tara Hotel in Nashua, NH, USA. This J > Symposium is designed for the intermediate - advanced level technologistM > wishing to increase their knowledge of OpenVMS and associated technologies.  >  > ) > Please visit the Symposium web site at: * > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/  > Has anyone outside HP successfully registered for this event ?  E I sent email to the designated address last Friday and have not heard  anything back.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:59:19 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium; Message-ID: <Xpsm9.3666$dp1.7530@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:JWkfYy1brMdb@eisner.encompasserve.org... < > In article <alqe7e$kta$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski"' <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:  > > OpenVMS Into the Future  > > D > > Hewlett Packard's OpenVMS Engineering organization is pleased to announceG > > the first annual OpenVMS Symposium. The OpenVMS Symposium will take  place K > > November 19-21 2002 at the Sheraton Tara Hotel in Nashua, NH, USA. This L > > Symposium is designed for the intermediate - advanced level technologistA > > wishing to increase their knowledge of OpenVMS and associated 
 technologies.  > >  > > + > > Please visit the Symposium web site at: , > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/ > @ > Has anyone outside HP successfully registered for this event ? > G > I sent email to the designated address last Friday and have not heard  > anything back.  J Don't expect to hear anything until the Last Picture Show, er HPETS2002. II got taken to the woodshed and spanked royally for mentioning the November  event.  @  But post Oct 11, you'll hear a lot, and I'll see you in Nashua!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 03:00:13 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium8 Message-ID: <00A14D0D.9E6E509C@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  o In article <Xpsm9.3666$dp1.7530@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:  > ; >"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message . >news:JWkfYy1brMdb@eisner.encompasserve.org...= >> In article <alqe7e$kta$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" ( ><susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes: >> > OpenVMS Into the Future >> >E >> > Hewlett Packard's OpenVMS Engineering organization is pleased to 	 >announce H >> > the first annual OpenVMS Symposium. The OpenVMS Symposium will take >placeL >> > November 19-21 2002 at the Sheraton Tara Hotel in Nashua, NH, USA. ThisM >> > Symposium is designed for the intermediate - advanced level technologist B >> > wishing to increase their knowledge of OpenVMS and associated >technologies. >> > >> >, >> > Please visit the Symposium web site at:- >> > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/  >>A >> Has anyone outside HP successfully registered for this event ?  >>H >> I sent email to the designated address last Friday and have not heard >> anything back.  > K >Don't expect to hear anything until the Last Picture Show, er HPETS2002. I J >got taken to the woodshed and spanked royally for mentioning the November >event.   K If it's supposed to be a secret then it sure shouldn't be up on the OpenVMS  website.   -- Alan    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 22:50:32 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <oWdmt$8flMBY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <Xpsm9.3666$dp1.7530@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:  > < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:JWkfYy1brMdb@eisner.encompasserve.org...   A >> Has anyone outside HP successfully registered for this event ?  >>H >> I sent email to the designated address last Friday and have not heard >> anything back.  > L > Don't expect to hear anything until the Last Picture Show, er HPETS2002. IK > got taken to the woodshed and spanked royally for mentioning the November  > event.  @ I would certainly expect to hear whether my credit card has been@ charged or not.  If I were not relatively close, I would need toB know whether I made it into the limited number admitted so I would be able to make travel plans.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 04:39:57 GMT * From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>: Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium* Message-ID: <xMum9.3797$PP.7059@rwcrnsc53>  5 When & where is this? Where is the registration page?   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:oWdmt$8flMBY@eisner.encompasserve.org... G > In article <Xpsm9.3666$dp1.7530@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, "Terry C. ) Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:  > > > > > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message1 > > news:JWkfYy1brMdb@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > C > >> Has anyone outside HP successfully registered for this event ?  > >>J > >> I sent email to the designated address last Friday and have not heard > >> anything back.  > > L > > Don't expect to hear anything until the Last Picture Show, er HPETS2002. I D > > got taken to the woodshed and spanked royally for mentioning the November
 > > event. > B > I would certainly expect to hear whether my credit card has beenB > charged or not.  If I were not relatively close, I would need toD > know whether I made it into the limited number admitted so I would > be able to make travel plans.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:15:11 -0400 From: <rob@netcarrier.net>D Subject: Re: Celera Throws Compaq Servers In Trash - Forbes Magazine9 Message-ID: <valm9.375$_g7.109613154@news.netcarrier.net>    ">? > I'll take them ... or else if you read the China clones alpha . > story, I'm sure they would take them too ...    C    Sure I'd take them too, the question is can HP sell any of them.                          Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:09:47 -0400 + From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com> - Subject: Re: CFGETERRORs with TCP/IP 5.1 SMTP ) Message-ID: <3D99BABB.4E696EBF@yahoo.com>    labadie wrote: > : > "John Johnstone" <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com> wrote in message% > news:3D986CB0.5D8E5EE0@yahoo.com... H > > I'm seeing a problem with mail delivery of some messages on an AlphaG > > with TCP/IP V5.1 ECO 4,  The messages fail to be delivered with the 1 > > following errors showing in the SMTP logfile:  > > D > > A permanent error makes this mail undeliverable. Must bounce it.G > > %TCPIP-E-SMTP_CFGETERROR, error getting address/domain from control % > >  file, type of tridentusa.com<CR> 9 > > -RMS-W-RTB, 0 byte record too large for user's buffer  > > D > Check if PQL_MPGFLQUOTA is not too low, and feel free to raise it.  C PQL_MPGFLQUOTA on this system is 32768 which was set by the default C values of the V7.3 FIS load.  I'm not sure what is low for the SMTP D symbiont but, generally speaking, 32768 does seem somewhat low in myD experience.  AMDS shows the symbiont process with a PGFLQUO usage ofG 7210 out of 528384 with the process idle.  It seems to me that I'd have B to raise MPGFLQUOTA to more than 528384 in order for it to have anE effect.  Do you think setting PQL_MPGFLQUOTA higher than 528384 might  make a difference?  F With AMDS, the SMTP receiver process shows a PGFLQUO usage of 7104 outC of 32768 with the process idle.  I could try setting PQL_MPGFLQUOTA G higher to raise the receiver's PGFLQUO but the pattern of what triggers H the problem makes it seem either unlikely that it would help or it wouldF just be making an allowance for a bug somewhere in the receiver.  I'll1 try raising it to 131072 and see if that does it.   ? The messages that fail always have the (what seems to be broken C according to RFC 821) <CR><CR><LF> sequence in them and they aren't F unusually large, many are 10-15 KB.  All other messages including 5 MBA ones, are delivered routinely with no problems.  This leads me to H believe that the problem is specific to the particular type of message. D It's my strong suspicion that the problem might be with the receiverE creating a corrupt CF entry when it receives one of these "defective" 	 messages.   B If I could figure out how to generate a test message that has thisD sequence of characters in it, I could use it to try to reproduce theH problem easily.  Since these messages don't come from any "normal" email@ client, I can't reproduce them on demand.  The shipment deliveryD notifications that are issued by Tech Data from do cause the bug forD sure.  Some mailings from the NY Times mailing lists also do it.  IfC anyone's receiving these on a VMS system, I'd be interested to hear G about it.  Not too likely, though.  :-)  Just telnetting to port 25 and E manually entering the SMTP commands doesn't help either since you can C only produce cleanly delimited data with it (i.e. what the receiver G interprets as <CR><LF> pairs).  If anyone knows of a method to generate H a mail message with a raw <CR><CR><LF> sequence in it, it would be a big help.    ------------------------------   Date: 02 Oct 2002 01:29:39 GMT! From: swmoretp@aol.com (SWMORETP) 1 Subject: Digital Items on eBay End Wednesday 10/2 9 Message-ID: <20021001212939.27380.00005963@mb-bk.aol.com>   L We have these DEC books and manuals for sale on eBay. They end on October 2.K You can do a search by the item number you are interested in or by seller:  N swmoretp@aol.com  to see the full list. The end time is US west coast time. WeM ship anywhere and ship multiple wins together by cheaper Book Rate/Media Mail  to save on shipping.- VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures Digital    2056597344  Oct-02 19:55:58 ' Digital Unix Version 4.0 Rev. A - NEW    2056598149  Oct-02 19:58:29  DECwrite 2.0 by Digital - NEW    2056599005  Oct-02 20:01:07 , DECchip 21064 Microprocessor Hardware Ref.   2056599882  Oct-02 20:03:14 , 100 Digital UNIX Software Products - 3 CDs   2056600900  Oct-02 20:05:26 % 4 Digital Technical Journals by DEC    2057382738  Oct-02 19:42:39 * PDP-11 Machine/Assembly Programming Book   2057383450  Oct-02 19:45:01 % DECtalk A Guide to Voice by Digital    2057383925  Oct-02 19:46:20 ' UNIX, VAX, CP/M, MVS, VM Systems Book    2057384368 Oct-02 19:47:43' HiNote Ultra Windows 95 CD by Digital    2057384699  Oct-02 19:48:53      ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 13:00:38 -0700 0 From: keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) Subject: Re: DSM Docs On Line?= Message-ID: <3a65a5c8.0210011200.4daa78a9@posting.google.com>   > I have found the following URLs pertaining to DSM and Mumps...  9 http://mtechnology.intersys.com/mproducts/dsm7/index.html @ http://mtechnology.intersys.com/support/documentation/index.html  > I'm not currently getting a response from the following URL... http://www.mtechnology.org/      JNCHAMBL@TEXASCHILDRENSHOSPITAL.ORG (Jesse Chambless) wrote in message news:<764ccbac.0210010514.44acb5f8@posting.google.com>...H > True.  Cache is the current product.  It morphed from the ISM product.E >  It is an object oriented version of Mumps with the same M database H > structure.  Major modifications are the increase in database size fromF > a maximum of 16GB to over a terabyte per database.  Even this can be' > extended by using translation tables.  > G > The below listed books are excellent references for the M programming = > system and all give a brief overview of database structure.  >  > Good luck on your interview. >  > Jesse Chambless $ > VMS/DSM/Cache System Administrator > m > "Jay E. Morris" <jem@epsilon3.com> wrote in message news:<hr8m9.50159$Fw2.1276691@twister.austin.rr.com>... M > > In message <+ZZy4OyX7984@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  > > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:D > > > In article <up7if2t7oc4m03@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" >  <John@mvpsi.com> writes: E > > > > I'm no MUMPS expert but I think you can find what you need at $ > > > > http://www.intersystems.com/ > > > > 3 > > > > I believe that DSM has morphed into Cache'.  > > > C > > > I was under the impression that Cache' is a different product O > > > and that InterSystems still supports DSM (but does not add new features). R > > Correct.  We had an InterSys engineer in last week.  There will be maintenanceN > > releases as needed, and to keep current on OpenVMS, but no major upgrades. > > Q > > You might look for these books (I don't think any are still in print though):  > > The ABCs of Mumps  > > M Programming  > > The Complete Mumps   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 13:25:00 -0700 4 From: francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.it (Francesco Gennai)* Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)< Message-ID: <72f5654.0210011225.4934b40b@posting.google.com>  e Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> wrote in message news:<3D996314.3C585889@digital.com>... F > You could try using PHP to roll your own. There is a useful class at- > http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/POP3.phtml 7 > (works for me reading VMSmail from Apache webserver.) I > Unfortunately, mail once read is automatically moved out of the NEWMAIL 	 > folder.  > E > Otherwise, YAHmail works well on the OSU webserver. (Alpha or VAX.)  > Have not tried it on Apache.  : YAHmail read messages by a direct access to VMSmail store.  A What I'm searching for is a webmail client that should run on VMS D platform (Apache or OSU or WASD is ok) and that can access mailboxes on any other remote D system via POP (optionally IMAP) protocol and that can send messages$ by a remote system via SMTP session., This is like most of webmail interface work.   Thank you for your answers.    Regards,	 Francescos   >  > ~Mike  >  > Francesco Gennai wrote:a > > E > > I would know if there are any e-mail web clients to access remote @ > > POP (optionally IMAP) mailboxes and to send messages by SMTPN > > sessions that someone has successfully tested in some web/vms environment. > > @ > > For example I know about SilkyMail based on PHP, but I don'tA > > know if someone has successfully installed and run it on VMS.  > >  http://www.cyrusoft.com > > B > > Any other e-mail/web client that runs on OpenVMS could be good > > for me.e > >  > > Regards, > > Francesco Gennai >    > -- oG > ---------------------------------------------------------------------aG > Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. A > Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*tH > Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  D >   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"G > ---------------------------------------------------------------------c! > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----c > Version: 3.1< > GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$8 > PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@! > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:29:51 +02000 From: Andrew Atkinson <andrew@xwind.demon.co.uk>7 Subject: F$GETQUI entry completion in the middle ages ?"0 Message-ID: <78$2qgFvefm9EwJ6@xwind.demon.co.uk>  F Maybe it's just me ... but trying to get the time of completion of an G entry in a batch queue by using the lexical f$getqui returns a date in p 1578 ?      + If you need to ask, the answer is always 42e   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 15:14:40 -0600p From: briggs@encompasserve.org; Subject: Re: F$GETQUI entry completion in the middle ages ?&3 Message-ID: <X9rUw40Rnfka@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <78$2qgFvefm9EwJ6@xwind.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Atkinson <andrew@xwind.demon.co.uk> writes:-H > Maybe it's just me ... but trying to get the time of completion of an I > entry in a batch queue by using the lexical f$getqui returns a date in i > 1578 ?  A Without even trying to reproduce this, I'll guess that the actualHA date returned is November 17, 1858 at 00:00:00.00 in the morning.P  @ Now to confirm...  Yup.  That's what shows for jobs that haven't completed yet.  E That date is, of course, the zero date for the VMS quadword date/timet format.h   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:15:08 GMTe! From: "VB Guy" <dont.spam@me.now>d" Subject: Getting started with VMS?= Message-ID: <gnnm9.433865$v53.19657411@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>A   Hey all!  H Just wanting to learn a bit about VMS, but not sure where to start. I'veL been messing around with computers since before IBM had a PC. Programming inE Z80 & 6809 assembler, GWBasic, Dbase III and Clipper, Visual Basic 6.e  J I've got a Sun Sparcstation 5 as well as a number of PC's running Windows,E and one that will be getting Open BSD installed in the next few days.s  K Can anyone give me some pointers as to how I could get some VMS experience?eL Is there something I can load onto one of my machines so I could try it out?  - Any information would be greatly appreciated!e   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 12:36:20 -0700n$ From: bdhobbs18@acm.org (Bill Hobbs)9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?-= Message-ID: <74ca5032.0210011136.2fa8ce5f@posting.google.com>0  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D93666F.19A0D165@videotron.ca>...r > Ed Wilts wrote:iH > > Disk drives are evil little pieces of spinning metal just waiting to
 > > hurt you.e > O > Out of curiosity, are your physical drives "the latest and greatest" in termse: > of speed/capacity or are they a few generations behind ? > I > I feel more confident with drives that are not at the current limits. IwI > consider the "latest and greatest" to be Version 1.0 of a product. JustoP > because they have found a way to put 50 gigs onto a drive doesn't mean it will > be reliable.  F When one purchases one of those "evil little pieces of spinning metal"D that is a "a few generations behind", how does one ensure that it isD not, in fact, a version 1.0 device?  For instance, I decide to get aE 50 GB drive - well behind the current bleeding edge in capacity.  How@@ would I determine that this is a recent 50 GB drive with all theB updates and debugged technology, and not a buggy, first generation2 drive that has been rotting for a couple of years?  E I suppose that one could try to analyze the drive's labels, scour the>E manufacturer's web site, get assurances/guarantees from the supplier,.C etc..  What do y'all do to assure yourselves that you are NOT usingg old bleeding edge drives?L   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:15:43 GMTy* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?sC Message-ID: <Pnnm9.405812$5r1.18830044@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>c  3 "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message 2 news:fc9jpusr29di6cnogbbt0asifl02obfplu@4ax.com.... > On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:41:19 -0400, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:o >n > >dL > >In 15 years, perhaps we will be able to store all of humanity's knowledge in a laptop.  I Not if we only make the ~1000-fold advances in density that we've made in = the past 15 years:  that wouldn't even hold a largish privatee" high-definition 3-D media library.   >h@ > Yabbut, unfortunately the access speeds have not improved muchD > (relatively speaking).  At the current rate of speed improvements,7 > recalling any of that knowledge could take weeks. ;-)l  H No, accessing 'any' of it will likely take a few milliseconds (includingG indexing look-up overhead).  It's the concentration of large amounts of A parallel access activity (e.g., from many concurrently-interested I individuals) that would be a lot slower than would be the case if it were J spread out over thousands of disks, but in a laptop this may not be a very important scenario.   K Even in shared servers, much larger disks may work well if what seems to berH the current trend of keeping more and more data on line even though it'sJ almost never accessed continues:  it's mostly the amount of 'hot' data per? disk that determines performance, not the amount of total data.r   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:54:11 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?.' Message-ID: <3D9A4987.2E06C843@fsi.net>   
 GcE wrote: >  > Rob Young wrote:
 > > [snip] > >       181 GByte SCSI:  > >'U > > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1081,331,00.html  > >n% > >                               Robt > > N > There have been 180GB SCSI disks for some time. There is not a trend to haveS > larger IDE disks first; it has been mostly the reverse with large disks appearinglQ > for SCSI first, then IDE. With the drop in IDE warranties this may change a biteK > and also one must recall that the IDE standard maxxed out at around 128GBwO > until very recently. Most existing IDE controllers can't address larger disks J > than that, which led to the 160GB IDEs being shipped with new controller	 > boards.e > O > As for why the IDE max out, apparently someone way back when thought cylinder " > count would never go over 16384.  F The way I see it, it may be a 181GB disk, but Micro$lop Bloatware will1 eat up 180GB of it leaving only 1GB for the user.    -- a David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems, http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 13:07:55 -0700a6 From: carlos_listas@yahoo.com.br (Carlos Alberto-TOCA)) Subject: Help: Need vms721_pcsi-v0100 kite; Message-ID: <ebc6078.0210011207.26b7096@posting.google.com>-  
 Hello all,    OpenVMS AXP V.7.2-1, Alpha 1200.  C We tried to install DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721-UPDATE-V0300. Its README filefF states that the kit vms721_pcsi-v0100 is required. I tried to find the kit on? ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v721, but found only theiC README, CVLETTER and CHECKSUM file. It seems that the .exe file has 
 been removed.s  
 Any ideas?  
 Thank you, Carlos Alberto Limaa   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:58:15 -0400o5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>e- Subject: Re: Help: Need vms721_pcsi-v0100 kita2 Message-ID: <JQyaPVwiAXyDSw=9oSv1JKz9PVna@4ax.com>   Look again:-   FTP1.SERVICE.DIGITAL.COM>pwd/ <"/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1" is current directory.e* FTP1.SERVICE.DIGITAL.COM>dir *vms721_pcsi*< <Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls (0.0.0.0,0).5 -rw-r--r--   3 root     0             58 Jun  3  2001 & dec-axpvms-vms721_pcsi-v0100--4.CHKSUM5 -rw-r--r--   3 root     0          39188 Jun  3  2001c& dec-axpvms-vms721_pcsi-v0100--4.README5 -rw-r--r--   5 root     0        1216512 Jun  3  2001 / dec-axpvms-vms721_pcsi-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexei5 -rw-r--r--   3 root     0             58 Jun  3  2001e vms721_pcsi-v0100.CHKSUM5 -rw-r--r--   3 root     0          13411 Jun  3  2001  vms721_pcsi-v0100.CVRLET_TXT5 -rw-r--r--   5 root     0          59392 Jun  3  2001k' vms721_pcsi-v0100.CVRLET_TXT-DCX_AXPEXEo5 -rw-r--r--   3 root     0          39188 Jun  3  2001g vms721_pcsi-v0100.README <Transfer complete.k  . The file with extension pcsi-dcx_axpexe is the
 one you want.j   David R. Beatty'  @ On 1 Oct 2002 13:07:55 -0700, carlos_listas@yahoo.com.br (Carlos Alberto-TOCA) wrote:   >Hello all,t > ! >OpenVMS AXP V.7.2-1, Alpha 1200.c >nD >We tried to install DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721-UPDATE-V0300. Its README fileG >states that the kit vms721_pcsi-v0100 is required. I tried to find theh >kit ond@ >ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v721, but found only theD >README, CVLETTER and CHECKSUM file. It seems that the .exe file has >been removed. >- >Any ideas?- >- >Thank you,  >Carlos Alberto Lima   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 13:05:55 -0700R( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)< Subject: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210011205.7b7dca00@posting.google.com>.   it is found here ... so relax!  B http://searchhp.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid6_gci854116,00.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:52:23 GMTl1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> @ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!9 Message-ID: <bWnm9.575$dp1.910@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>o  ; Relax, I have timesharing available on the Brooklyn Bridge.>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0210011205.7b7dca00@posting.google.com...   > it is found here ... so relax! >oD > http://searchhp.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid6_gci854116,00.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:01:10 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!A Message-ID: <q2om9.62283$q42.2853173@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>b  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messager7 news:d7791aa1.0210011205.7b7dca00@posting.google.com...   > it is found here ... so relax! >tD > http://searchhp.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid6_gci854116,00.html  J Indeed.  I particularly liked the sentence about migrating from PA-RISC toK Itanic:  "That's why our competitors would like to call it a migration or a L disruption, but I challenge them to show me one customer who had a difficultK transition" - when I suspect it would at this time be difficult to find onet: customer who had migrated at all in any significant sense.  L Just as Compaq said for years about Alpha, people should definitely feel allL warm and cozy about their great future after swimming over to take a ride onL the Good Ship Itanic.  After all, "there is momentum. We expect the momentumJ to take off in the middle of 2003" - just as there was momentum for MercedG (until there wasn't), and just as McKinley was when Itanic was *really*l1 going to set the world on fire (until it didn't).   ' You Gotta Believe:  Carly says it's so.e  E Of course, HP and its supporters say other things that aren't exactlymH universally agreed upon either.  For example, in a ComputerWorld article) linked to indirectly from your link aboveo  L http://www.computerworld.com/managementtopics/management/financial/story/0,1 0801,74704,00.html   we findb  H "We had a vocal few in the beginning that weren't very supportive of theD merger," said Linda Roach, a board member of Interex, the Sunnyvale,L Calif.-based HP user group that arranged last week's show. "But they seem to have quieted down."a  - Damn.  We've just got to stop being so quiet.-   But near the end we also find   G The company racked up over $2 billion in losses in its first postmergertI quarter-mainly from merger-related expenses. Despite being propelled to atJ market-leading position in several segments, HP saw declines in revenue inI key businesses, including high-end systems and storage. It has blamed thecK declines on slow IT spending, but analysts have said the company's problemspE are also related to a specific weakening of demand for its server andi storage products.h  L But we should still just relax and be happy:  after all, any belt-tightening1 resulting from the above could hardly affect VMS.w   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:35:53 -0400n( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!, Message-ID: <3D9A3159.1050207@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Todd wrote:    N > But we should still just relax and be happy:  after all, any belt-tightening3 > resulting from the above could hardly affect VMS.     F What about selling off parts of a company to meet a cash flow problem?  P All speculation.  I'm still waiting to see the outcome of IA-64, and of Hammer. $   Not much to talk about until then.   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:57:07 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>n@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!; Message-ID: <Tnsm9.3654$dp1.7823@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>e  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message & news:3D9A3159.1050207@tsoft-inc.com... > Bill Todd wrote: >h >t@ > > But we should still just relax and be happy:  after all, any belt-tightening 5 > > resulting from the above could hardly affect VMS.  >  >dH > What about selling off parts of a company to meet a cash flow problem? >sI > All speculation.  I'm still waiting to see the outcome of IA-64, and of  Hammer.c& >   Not much to talk about until then. >   = Sure there is. Dell's success and HP's apparent death spiral.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:30:47 +0200 + From: Thomas Schick <schick.thomas@gmx.net>P7 Subject: http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/n& Message-ID: <3D9A1407.5040800@gmx.net>  # does anyone know what happened with 9 http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/version.htmn Regards2 Thomas   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:23:14 -0700n+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ; Subject: Re: http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/e' Message-ID: <3D9A2052.3030305@MMaz.com>w   Thomas Schick wrote:  % > does anyone know what happened withs; > http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/version.htm    Yes, it still exists...    Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 17:23:56 -0600t+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)s Subject: jEdit install questione3 Message-ID: <GexPqeOKuXTY@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  q In article <3d99cbbd.9533448@news.demon.co.uk>, Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) writes:nC > I've been using jEdit (http://www.jedit.org) for the past severalhE > months.  For those who have not run across it, it is an open-source  > Java-based editor. > H > Because I still have to at least read Macro-32 and Bliss every now andD > then, I've created a set of edit modes to support syntax coloring.C > These are now available on the jEdit website, in case anyone elsee > finds them useful. >  > Jim. > 
 > Jim Johnson- > Software Exploration, Ltd.+ > (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)l  A I downloaded 4.03 and tried to install it, but regardless of whatrC I filled in for installation and shortcut directories it would failnB with a "Child creation error".  Here is a transcription of a text 9 based install, anyone have a clue as to what I did wrong?.   (Alpha, VMS V7.3, Java 1.3.1)8  ; $ java "-Djava.compiler=none" -jar JEDIT403INSTALL.JAR text  *** jEdit 4.0.3 installerhH Installation directory [/usr/local/share/jedit/4.0.3]: /DKA0/MARTY/JEDIT6 Shortcut directory [/usr/local/bin]: /DKA0/MARTY/JEDIT! *** Program components to installh+ Install jEdit text editor (3676Kb) [Y/n]? Y C Install Default set of macros (highly recommended) (176Kb) [Y/n]? Y. *** Starting installation...N *** An error occurred: java.io.IOException: Child creation error: no such file or directory   Thanks,  Martym   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:40:32 +0200d@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>/ Subject: Re: jEdit support for Macro-32 & Blisst+ Message-ID: <3D9B3DA0.5060905@mail.tele.dk>a   Jim Johnson wrote:  G > I haven't bothered.  I understand that some people have, but I do all H > my development using a combination of VMS and a Win2K machine.  I findF > the Win2K desktop more responsive and, well, denser (more capable of+ > doing and showing more at the same time).   $ I tried and I could not get to work.  2 A shame - it would be nice to have the same editor# available on VMS, Unix and Windows.,  1 (I know there are other such, but not like jEdit)o   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:15:37 GMT-% From: "Yong Liu" <fdu9774@rogers.com>  Subject: LAT terminal serverF Message-ID: <JUqm9.3547$Aiq1.259@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Hi,e  G I have heard that HP discontinued the DEC-HUB, DEC terminal server, DECaG concentrator and so forth. It happens we need some of that for our lab.eF Which vendors are taking over these niche equipment market. Who do you- recommend? How do you deal with this problem?    Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 02:56:17 GMT1- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>   Subject: Re: LAT terminal server< Message-ID: <lftm9.8794$m92.2167720@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Yong Liu wrote:h > Hi,w > I > I have heard that HP discontinued the DEC-HUB, DEC terminal server, DECoI > concentrator and so forth. It happens we need some of that for our lab.eH > Which vendors are taking over these niche equipment market. Who do you/ > recommend? How do you deal with this problem?r  C Those product lines were sold off and are currently available from c Digital Networks.    http://www.dnpg.com/products/s  G Also the Lantronix corporation has some LAT and TCP/IP terminal server iF devices.  The Lantronix devices can support Parrallel port operations.   -Johnl wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlye   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 03:09:40 GMTa$ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUE Subject: My VMS Webserver book is available - missing acknowledgments 8 Message-ID: <00A14D0E.F06B8A49@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --   * I'm pleased to report the availability of   9 OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD: The Nonstop Webserverr! Digital Press, ISBN 1-55558-264-8t by Alan Winston  S  M This can be purchased at a discount either through amazon.com or by followingo; the links to digital press from the Compaq/HP openVMS page.a  9 I got one copy express mailed to me, hot off the presses.S  N I'm chagrined that, somewhere in the editing process, the acknowledgments pageO got lost.  (It should have been the second page of the introduction.)  This washM probably the result of there not being a separate table of contents entry for N it.  I owe public thanks to a number of people whose names should have been in? the book.  Here's the text I submitted for the acknowledgments:    ACKNOWLEDGMENTS   J No project of this size is the sole work of one person.  I would have beenN unable to complete this project without the help, patience, and forbearance of a number of people.   O I must thank my technical reviewers, Rick Barry, Mark Daniel, and David Jones. 0M Knowing I had the authors or porters of the webservers I was writing about toeN keep me from going too far off the track really helped in getting the words onD the page.  The errors that inevitably remain are entirely my fault.   L David Turner of Island Computers came through, first with a low-priced AlphaF system for me to run VMS on at home, then with an emergency (and free)M replacement motherboard when the system blew up after it was out of warranty,tF at a critical time for the book.  I recommend Island Computers highly.  N My colleagues at SSRL, for help, encouragement, and tolerating a lot of unpaidN leave while I tried to get this finished.  Especial thanks to my boss, ClemensG Wermelskirchen, for frequent encouragement and support in this project.   L Thanks to Pam Chester, of Digital Press, for considerable forbearance as theH project stretched well past the original deadline, and to Alan Rose, forE cheerful competence and making the technical side of copy-editing andm typesetting just work.  I Vanessa Schnatmeier, an experienced computer journalist herself, was veryoN helpful in letting me explain things to her until I was convinced I understoodO them and could describe them coherently.  Deborah Rush put up with seeing a lotpF of movies alone while remaining extremely understanding, tolerant, and8 supportive during the long process of writing the book.    Thanks, all.   Alan Winston
 Menlo Park May 2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:28:43 +0930o/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>rI Subject: Re: My VMS Webserver book is available - missing acknowledgmentsr3 Message-ID: <andr9t$4pb$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au>    Congratulations!  % winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:  > VMSers --1 > , > I'm pleased to report the availability of  > ; > OpenVMS with Apache, OSU, and WASD: The Nonstop Webservers# > Digital Press, ISBN 1-55558-264-8a > by Alan Winston  t > O > This can be purchased at a discount either through amazon.com or by followinge= > the links to digital press from the Compaq/HP openVMS page.  > ; > I got one copy express mailed to me, hot off the presses.l > P > I'm chagrined that, somewhere in the editing process, the acknowledgments pageQ > got lost.  (It should have been the second page of the introduction.)  This waseO > probably the result of there not being a separate table of contents entry for P > it.  I owe public thanks to a number of people whose names should have been inA > the book.  Here's the text I submitted for the acknowledgments:- >  > ACKNOWLEDGMENTS@ > L > No project of this size is the sole work of one person.  I would have beenP > unable to complete this project without the help, patience, and forbearance of > a number of people.  > Q > I must thank my technical reviewers, Rick Barry, Mark Daniel, and David Jones. nO > Knowing I had the authors or porters of the webservers I was writing about tonP > keep me from going too far off the track really helped in getting the words onF > the page.  The errors that inevitably remain are entirely my fault.  > N > David Turner of Island Computers came through, first with a low-priced AlphaH > system for me to run VMS on at home, then with an emergency (and free)O > replacement motherboard when the system blew up after it was out of warranty,tH > at a critical time for the book.  I recommend Island Computers highly. > P > My colleagues at SSRL, for help, encouragement, and tolerating a lot of unpaidP > leave while I tried to get this finished.  Especial thanks to my boss, ClemensI > Wermelskirchen, for frequent encouragement and support in this project.1 > N > Thanks to Pam Chester, of Digital Press, for considerable forbearance as theJ > project stretched well past the original deadline, and to Alan Rose, forG > cheerful competence and making the technical side of copy-editing ande > typesetting just work. > K > Vanessa Schnatmeier, an experienced computer journalist herself, was veryeP > helpful in letting me explain things to her until I was convinced I understoodQ > them and could describe them coherently.  Deborah Rush put up with seeing a lotjH > of movies alone while remaining extremely understanding, tolerant, and: > supportive during the long process of writing the book.  >  > Thanks, all. >  > Alan Winston > Menlo Park
 > May 2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:28:21 -0500v7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>OI Subject: Re: My VMS Webserver book is available - missing acknowledgmentsiG Message-ID: <craigberry-FD4890.23282101102002@news.directvinternet.com>e  8 In article <00A14D0E.F06B8A49@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,&  winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:  O > This can be purchased at a discount either through amazon.com or by followingo= > the links to digital press from the Compaq/HP openVMS page.w  E And for those as lazy as I am, the amazon link is available with one iC click from the openvms.org home page.  The amazon.com marketingbot eE tells me that people who bought this book also bought, "The Ultimate sC Sex, Love & Romance Quiz Book", so now I know what ya'll have been s reading ;-).  B Thanks Alan, I'm really looking forward to reading this (yours, I  mean).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:19:12 -0500 5 From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@no-spam.knology.net>n$ Subject: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?/ Message-ID: <upkpeokgk2ac7f@corp.supernews.com>Q  G I remember reading that v7.3-1 was going to be available for hobbyists PE in the beginning of Sept.  The web site still says they are shipping o1 v7.2 - any info on when v7.3-1 will be available?u   Thanks.t Michael    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 04:16:29 GMTr1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?' Message-ID: <3D9A78F3.77ACD06C@fsi.net>    Michael Rice wrote:C > H > I remember reading that v7.3-1 was going to be available for hobbyistsF > in the beginning of Sept.  The web site still says they are shipping3 > v7.2 - any info on when v7.3-1 will be available?p  @ Last I heard seems to still be the best guess - check back after HPETS-2002, circa. mid-October.h   -- t David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:38:02 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>. Subject: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!@ Message-ID: <20021001183802.23563.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>  - I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from myc. datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP).( How can I configure the LPR queues in my, local server to print in the LAT printers in6 the other (remote) server ? I searched comp.os.vms and" didnt find any useful information.     Ex:l  5 (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2 ---->o LAT Printerp     Regardsy   FC t   =====i ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!a http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 14:23:47 -06000- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)v2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!3 Message-ID: <E+lF7NRxeFfX@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  q In article <20021001183802.23563.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:e/ > I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from mye0 > datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP).* > How can I configure the LPR queues in my. > local server to print in the LAT printers in8 > the other (remote) server ? I searched comp.os.vms and$ > didnt find any useful information. > Ex:6 > 7 > (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2 ---->r
 > LAT Printer9  C    You mean, I hope, the AS-1000 had TCP/IP but the printers don't.0  G    Now tell us which TCP/IP package and we could give you some details.7?    Basically you set the LPD server on the AS-1000 to serve the +    LAT print queue to the local LPR client.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:15:12 GMTS4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!0 Message-ID: <3D99F224.27BD4EB8@blueyonder.co.uk>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > / > I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from mya0 > datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP).* > How can I configure the LPR queues in my. > local server to print in the LAT printers in8 > the other (remote) server ? I searched comp.os.vms and$ > didnt find any useful information. >   4 By "No TCPIP" do you mean no ip stack on the machine; with the LAT printers or no IP support for printers on thatR machine?  6 For the former, you will not be able to run lpr on the# SERVER2 because it has no IP stack.s  1 For the latter, just configure the lpr on server2e& appropriately (eg mcr tcpip$lprsetup).  & What specific problems are you having?     > Ex:a > 7 > (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2 ----> 
 > LAT Printera > 	 > Regardsn >  > FC >  > =====a > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilr > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?+ > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!n > http://sbc.yahoo.com   -- h tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk A  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:29:16 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!@ Message-ID: <20021001202916.11640.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>   Bob   + Yes ! We have TCPIP (V5.0A) in the AS-1000.n4 The LPD is configured but I am receiving the message5 of LPD reject in my server. I created a local printerh1 there to test. When I send the job, the file goes . to the spool directory. But when I try to send! to the LAT print I have problems:l    # In my server I set up the LPR queueu, (rm:server2,rp:lat-printer) is this right  ?     Regardse    2 --- Bob Koehler <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote: > In article >n5 <20021001183802.23563.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>,h2 > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:1 > > I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from myr2 > > datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP)., > > How can I configure the LPR queues in my0 > > local server to print in the LAT printers in6 > > the other (remote) server ? I searched comp.os.vms > and-& > > didnt find any useful information. > > Ex:o > > 3 > > (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2  > ---->e > > LAT Printer5 > 5 >    You mean, I hope, the AS-1000 had TCP/IP but ther > printers don't.e > 2 >    Now tell us which TCP/IP package and we could > give you some details.4 >    Basically you set the LPD server on the AS-1000 > to serve the- >    LAT print queue to the local LPR client.o >      =====t ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilA fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!a http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:36:12 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!@ Message-ID: <20021001203612.87628.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>   Sorry !   + The printserver dont have TCPIP just LAT !       Regards    FC  2 --- Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >  >  > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > 1 > > I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from mys2 > > datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP)., > > How can I configure the LPR queues in my0 > > local server to print in the LAT printers in6 > > the other (remote) server ? I searched comp.os.vms > and & > > didnt find any useful information. > >  > 6 > By "No TCPIP" do you mean no ip stack on the machine5 > with the LAT printers or no IP support for printers-	 > on that-
 > machine? > 4 > For the former, you will not be able to run lpr on > the % > SERVER2 because it has no IP stack.R > 3 > For the latter, just configure the lpr on server2t( > appropriately (eg mcr tcpip$lprsetup). > ( > What specific problems are you having? >  >  > > Ex:f > > 3 > > (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2- > ---->- > > LAT Printer- > >  > > Regards- > >  > > FC > > 	 > > =====O > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - BrazilD > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > > 6 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!?- > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!c > > http://sbc.yahoo.com >  > -- i! > tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk e > 5 > * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk addressy > is NO LONGER VALID *     =====f ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!o http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 02:45:25 GMTn+ From: "Joe Heimann" <heimann@ecs.umass.edu>,) Subject: Re: Q: Running OpenVMS diskless? , Message-ID: <andmk5$6vd$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  . Brian 'Jarai' Chase <bdc@world.std.com> wrote:> > In article <Pine.LNX.4.31.0209270812120.5691-100000@jaipur>,/ > Ryan Moore  <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> wrote:,  J >> I remember booting a VAX 6000 off an Infoserver to do VMS upgrades.  WeE >> didn't have a CD-ROM on our VAX 6420, so we'd use the Infoserver. b  K > What?!  You mean to say that Hydra was only a VAX 6420?  You've got to beeG > kidding me!  Certainly there were times when more than 100 users were-L > logged into that system; especially when the Fortran projects were due forH > the ME students.  It's hard to believe that 14 VUPs could be stretched! > that far.  I'm truly impressed.   H We had a 6410 here that regularily had more than 60 users logged on at aG time, many of them doing student Pascal or Fortran projects.  Did that  H with only 64 MB, usually were running out of memory before we ran out ofF CPU.  Occasionally would have a serious grad programming a simulation G and running it at the same time to take advantage of the vector unit one
 that VAX CPU.s    Joe Heimann   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:58:24 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com. Subject: Result of search directly to a symbol? Message-ID: <OF0E44D471.BC9A457C-ON85256C45.0067BC3E@metso.com>-  4 I have a flat file of <username><space><other-thing>  + that I want to SEARCH by <username> and user  6 other_thing="''f$element(1," ",<search-result>")'" but  / without writing a temporary file out of search.M   Can I do this with PIPE?      C I can PIPE the search so my <matching-record> will be in SYS$INPUT,l  E but how do I get that into a symbol to feed to the f$element lexical?       ' Or am I on the wrong track, altogether?i       -Normp   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 14:28:40 -0600t From: briggs@encompasserve.org2 Subject: Re: Result of search directly to a symbol3 Message-ID: <FvjCGOjh8iHb@eisner.encompasserve.org>"  ^ In article <OF0E44D471.BC9A457C-ON85256C45.0067BC3E@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > 6 > I have a flat file of <username><space><other-thing> > - > that I want to SEARCH by <username> and usee > 8 > other_thing="''f$element(1," ",<search-result>")'" but > 1 > without writing a temporary file out of search.. >  > Can I do this with PIPE? > E > I can PIPE the search so my <matching-record> will be in SYS$INPUT,. > G > but how do I get that into a symbol to feed to the f$element lexical?a  A The problem with PIPE is that you can get the symbol, but it will A be in a sub-process context.  The classic trick is to capture thec> symbol into a job logical name and then translate that back in the parent process.r   $ CREATE somewhere.dat asdf something else fdsa ^Z+ $ PIPE SEARCH somewhere.dat "something" | -n=        ( READ SYS$PIPE x ; DEFINE /JOB search-result &x ) ; --+        write sys$output f$element(1, " ", -m>                         f$trnlnm("search-result", "LNM$JOB") )   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:28:42 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com2 Subject: Re: Result of search directly to a symbol? Message-ID: <OFD3373F16.884C20FF-ON85256C45.00755A23@metso.com>1  : Interestingly enough, when I do this (Thank you very much)H and there is no match, the result is "no" from the informational result:5 "%SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched", element 1.hI I also discovered I need to set the symbol after ending the pipe command.h        2 briggs@encompasserve.org on 10/01/2002 04:28:40 PM  * Please respond to briggs@encompasserve.org   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: 5 Subject:    Re: Result of search directly to a symbols    ? In article <OF0E44D471.BC9A457C-ON85256C45.0067BC3E@metso.com>,s norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > 6 > I have a flat file of <username><space><other-thing> >o- > that I want to SEARCH by <username> and usee >o8 > other_thing="''f$element(1," ",<search-result>")'" but >t1 > without writing a temporary file out of search.o >  > Can I do this with PIPE? >rE > I can PIPE the search so my <matching-record> will be in SYS$INPUT,  >eG > but how do I get that into a symbol to feed to the f$element lexical?   A The problem with PIPE is that you can get the symbol, but it will A be in a sub-process context.  The classic trick is to capture the:> symbol into a job logical name and then translate that back in the parent process.    $ CREATE somewhere.dat asdf something else fdsa ^Z+ $ PIPE SEARCH somewhere.dat "something" | -M=        ( READ SYS$PIPE x ; DEFINE /JOB search-result &x ) ; -:+        write sys$output f$element(1, " ", -n>                         f$trnlnm("search-result", "LNM$JOB") )                John Briggs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:17:16 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: search command 5 Message-ID: <ancorp$d08ah$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>e  8 Alternatief: search in cascade (kost wel meer overhead):  G $ pipe search <filenaam> <string1> | search SYS$PIPE <string2> | searchk SYS$PIPE <string3>   Werkt maar kostbaar...  7 "vogelaar" <infogevraagd@emailme.nu> schreef in berichtl7 news:c015481c.0210010708.5c75151a@posting.google.com...oG > Hi, This could be an easy question but i have looked at several sitesd$ > but could not find the answer yet. >dD > Is it possible in MVS to search for two words in 1 document at the > same timet > for example:E > I want to know if a number and a name can be found altough there is  > data in between. >a: >  VKPPT,  D2              ; (121-896) 20 = vrije voorraad> >  VKAFG,  D8              ; (534-432) Aantal voorraadeenheden > gekorrigeerd: >  VKRTY,  D4              ; (232-234) Produktiekosten per > voorraadeenheid  >eG > can i search in the ex. file for "d8" , "534", "eenheden" at the same- > time in one search command?0 >a; > 4 your information I just work with VMS for a few months,j > thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 14:03:28 -0600@- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)X Subject: Re: search commandt3 Message-ID: <ZIPAiWYz8mWc@eisner.encompasserve.org>E  h In article <c015481c.0210010708.5c75151a@posting.google.com>, infogevraagd@emailme.nu (vogelaar) writes:G > Hi, This could be an easy question but i have looked at several sitesE$ > but could not find the answer yet. > D > Is it possible in MVS to search for two words in 1 document at the > same time-  .    Might be, but this is comp.os.VMS, not MVS.   > ; > 4 your information I just work with VMS for a few months,  > thanks  B    Ah, so maybe you just can't type and spell at the same time, me    neihter.  8-)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 21:51 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)S Subject: Re: search command1, Message-ID: <1OCT200221515811@gerg.tamu.edu>  / koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org writes... i }In article <c015481c.0210010708.5c75151a@posting.google.com>, infogevraagd@emailme.nu (vogelaar) writes:8H }> Hi, This could be an easy question but i have looked at several sites% }> but could not find the answer yet.e }> vE }> Is it possible in MVS to search for two words in 1 document at the  }> same time } / }   Might be, but this is comp.os.VMS, not MVS.r }  }>  < }> 4 your information I just work with VMS for a few months,	 }> thanks5 } C }   Ah, so maybe you just can't type and spell at the same time, meX }   neihter.  8-)- }   D You also seem to miss the part where what he said was essentially "I+ can do this on MVS, how do I do it on VMS?"c  % $ search my.file thing1,thing2,thing3a  5 will find all records with any of the 3 things in it.s  / $ search my.file thing1,thing2,thing3/match=andH  ; will find all records with all 3 things in the that record.e  < See HELP SEARCH (particularly /MATCH) for some more options.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 13:50:08 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)u" Subject: Re: Suggestion for SEARCH3 Message-ID: <oQT1zU6eF8Yt@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  l In article <20021001151029.7162.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: > H > I would hope that at some point in the future a different CLI would beM > available with standard VMS. Then, if user x wants a unix-like environment,2% > you just do the following for them:  > " > $ mc authorize modify x/CLI=bash >   L    IIRC the SIR response which used to be held at DECUS symposia would have     been something like:,            Cult.  F    Wollongong shipped csh, DEC shipped DECshell (Bourne shell) and theG    POSIX shell (subset of ksh).  Insufficient demand to continue.  What5<    makes you think anyone else will want this in the future?   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 19:11:24 -0000n= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>@" Subject: Re: Suggestion for SEARCH6 Message-ID: <20021001191124.14847.qmail@nym.alias.net>  = On 1 Oct 2002, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:-A >In article <20021001151029.7162.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypherb, ><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:   <snip>  # >> $ mc authorize modify x/CLI=bashg >>   >oM >   IIRC the SIR response which used to be held at DECUS symposia would have n >   been something like: >  >         Cult.0 >2G >   Wollongong shipped csh, DEC shipped DECshell (Bourne shell) and the H >   POSIX shell (subset of ksh).  Insufficient demand to continue.  What= >   makes you think anyone else will want this in the future?A  I I have no idea if there would be any demand for this, and from a personaliJ point of view I would have no interest in such a feature because I'm happy to use DCL.r  * So, why would I suggest a thing like this?  H Well, as has been pointed out in other semi-recent discussions, it isn'tH realistic to modify unix to support everything VMS does, but the reverseF may be possible. This would be one of the things I think you'd need to
 achieve that.a     Doc. -- o6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netu   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 13:59:00 -0600n- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Re: UAF Problem3 Message-ID: <IZU$DNMO9gGh@eisner.encompasserve.org>H  h In article <f936a854.0210010542.20f16bef@posting.google.com>, robert_kersey@bat.com (Rob Kersey) writes: >  > $ dir sys$system:sysuaf.dat  >   > Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] >  > SYSUAF.DAT;1         >  > Total of 1 file. >  > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]. >  > SYSUAF.DAT;1         >  > Total of 1 file. >   B    So you actually have 2 (count them: 2) UAF files.  Which one is;    authorize.exe using and which one is loginout.exe using?o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:22:06 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: UAF Problem5 Message-ID: <and060$d4vam$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>    [snip]G > Can anyone tell me why I am getting a user authorization failure whennC > the user has been created? (I have tried changeing the password &l > entering it correctly!)iF Unless your default directory is SYS$SYSTEM, you need the logical nameJ SYSUAF set up to point to the file SYSUAF.DAT. You already discovered that9 SYS$SYSTEM points to two names, SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE] andg SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].  > Just look at the ouput of  $ DIR SYSUAF and next do $ DIR/DATE SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAFl; and you might get an idea when the second file was created.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:27:56 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e Subject: Re: UAF Problem, Message-ID: <3D9A054C.337E09AB@videotron.ca>   Rob Kersey wrote:D > H > I have created the following account, when I issue the show TICS_ADMIN& > command I get the following details.F > Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  5   Login Fails:     0@ > Pwdlifetime:           (none)    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired)@ > Last Login:            (none) (interactive),            (none) > (non-interactive)   E If login Fails remains at 0, it means that the file you are using for-L authorize isn't the one that is being used by loginout which should increaseG the login fails on the account whenever you unsuccesfully try to login.   N You must also check for the existence of the logical name SYSUAF. You can haveN a process logical pointing to any file for the purposes of using the AUTHORIZEG utility, but loginout will only deal with system logicals that redirectu7 SYSUAF.DAT (or when absent, takes it default location).    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:27:19 -0400G From: "Lorraine Profeta" <profetal@greaterbaynet.com@greaterbaynet.com>  Subject: Re: UAF Problem, Message-ID: <andat9$en1$1@news.chatlink.com>   Bob,?        SYS$SYSTEM is a list logical of SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] and'C SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].  If you set default to sys$system and look for-D sysuaf.dat will see it, but you'll also see it if you look for it inE sys$common:[sysexe].  Maybe this is wat you are seeing, but it's alsooL possible that somebody wrote a new sysuaf to sys$sysroot:[sysexe] and you doG have two sysuaf.dat files.  Besides looking at which file is newer with L DIR/DATE you can run AUTHORIZE and see which sysuaf.dat is being accessesed.L There are two ways to do this: (1) $ANALYZE/RMS SYSUAF.DAT    and if you get? an error that means the file is locked.  or you can try (2) $SH5I DEV/FILES/OUT=DEV.LIS   SYS$SYSTEM   to get a list of all the files beingpI acessed on the disk.  Then you can search for sysuaf to see if it's being J accessed  $SEA DEV.LIS SYSUAF  ; the name of the program accessing it willK be on the left hand of the string.  I told somebody about this technique on4K yahoo.com group OpenVMS, and the system moderator liked it so much he wrote0H a DCL procedure to accomplish the taks; see the yahoo goup for the code.   Dave  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:IZU$DNMO9gGh@eisner.encompasserve.org...e? > In article <f936a854.0210010542.20f16bef@posting.google.com>,s* robert_kersey@bat.com (Rob Kersey) writes: > >. > > $ dir sys$system:sysuaf.dat  > >t" > > Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] > >, > > SYSUAF.DAT;1 > >  > > Total of 1 file. > > ! > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]a > >r > > SYSUAF.DAT;1 > >w > > Total of 1 file. > >a >tD >    So you actually have 2 (count them: 2) UAF files.  Which one is= >    authorize.exe using and which one is loginout.exe using?. >    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 14:00:51 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d, Subject: Re: Upgrade from OpenVMS 6.2 to 7.23 Message-ID: <fFvl97MXnGqB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <c6406a41.0210010633.338fcd7f@posting.google.com>, lgemedia@mestre.if.usp.br (Luiz Emediato) writes:n > Dear Charlie Hammond,I > K > I did read the OpenVMS 7.2 Release Notes and am starting with OpenVMS 7.2jI > Upgrade and Installation Manual. Both are very nice documents with lotscD > of details and instructions. However, the latter document contains! > so many steps that dazzles me. J  C    So, they give you a nice book with all the instructiuons and you7C    want fewer instructions?  What part of the install do you really7"    feal comfortable doing without?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:07:24 -0400. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>& Subject: Upgrade to 7.3-1 from 7.1-1H23 Message-ID: <fgnm9.106211$C8.283703@nnrp1.uunet.ca>O  < After waiting for 7.3-1 to arrive it now my turn to upgrade.  J I have since found out that I cannot go directly to 7.3-1 from 7.1-1H2 but have to go to 7.3 first.  J If this is the case do I have to worry about all the patches for 7.3 to beG applied in order to even do the 7.3-1 upgrade ?  I know there were some G rating 1 patches but I was hoping that I could just boot under 7.3 withoG minimal startup parameters (disable all my site specific startup duringoJ upgrade process) and just upgrade to 7.3-1 and apply the two 7.3-1 patches that are out there now  I I have already in my modparams.dat set the VCC_FLAGS=1 so that when I was-G going to go to 7.3 the XFC bug would not get me.  Do I need to do other"K things like this before the fact.  I guess that after I boot OK under 7.3-1$K that I could remove this setting and run autogen again to allow XFC to kickP in.o  + We also run DecNET Phase IV, TCPIP 5.1 ECO3   F I heard that when upgrading from 7.1 to 7.2x that when answering NO toL DecNET Plus that Phase IV will not be installed and that you have to installJ it manually.  Is this the case for 7.3.  I read in the 7.3-1 install guideL that it would handle Phase IV correctly.  Being that I am doing two upgradesI do I have to worry that under 7.3 is does not install DecNET Phase IV and9K just let 7.3-1 handle it or should I make sure that the it is there for 7.3a with the right version.n  K I have the HP internal checklist document for upgrading.  What I am lookingp5 for is real life experiences, suggestions would help.    -- Jerry Alan Braga Senior Programmer Analysto Flanagan Foodservice (519) 748-2190 Ext. 3361 jabraga@flanagan.cac   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:29:02 GMTs8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)* Subject: Re: Upgrade to 7.3-1 from 7.1-1H22 Message-ID: <iAnm9.25$t%2.859204@news.cpqcorp.net>  4 In article <fgnm9.106211$C8.283703@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, 0 "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes:  + [upgrading vrom V7.1-1H2 -> V7.3 -> V7.3-1] I >                ... do I have to worry about all the patches for 7.3 ...i   I wouldn't.i  , >We also run DecNET Phase IV, TCPIP 5.1 ECO3 >AG >I heard that when upgrading from 7.1 to 7.2x that when answering NO tovM >DecNET Plus that Phase IV will not be installed and that you have to installi* >it manually.  Is this the case for 7.3.    N If you have Phase IV installed, the upgrade will offer to install DECnet Plus.L If you say "yes", Phase IV is removed and DECnet Plus installed.  (You can'tD have them both!)  If you say "no", DECnet Phase IV will be upgraded.  G Yes, if I recall, there was a point where we had implemented a decisiontJ that required a manual re-install of DECnet Plus, but this is not the case in the V7.3 versions.e   -- bI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:06:16 -0400o+ From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com>e Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 DCL / MXo) Message-ID: <3D99C7F8.295C898C@yahoo.com>i   Brian Tillman wrote: > J > >This is the behavior that I've seen with V7.3, V7.2, and V7.1.  I think > >I saw it with V6.2 also.e > J > Not from the DCL command line.  Within the mail utility, the SET FORWARDN > command required the "1-2-3" or "3-3" approach to quoting for V6.2, but withI > V7.0 that was "fixed" so that a single set of quotes were required.  Inf > other words, for V6.2m > J > MAIL> set forward/user=tillman_brian "mx""tillman_brian@smpgwy.si.com""" >  > or > L > MAIL> set forward/user=tillman_brian mx%"""tillman_brian@smtpgwy.si.com""" > J > were required, but V7.1 and V7.2 (I have no direct experience with V7.0)
 > allowed: > H > MAIL> set forward/user=tillman_brian mx%"tillman_brian@smtpgwy.si.com" > J > If this changed in V7.3 to revert back to the V6.2 behavior, then it's aK > bug.  And if the "1-2-3" or "3-3" methods are required on the DCL commands$ > line, then something REALLY broke.  H OK, I've gotten mixed up with what works vs. what's required.  As far asB what syntax works on the DCL command line, on VMS 7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 systems here, these all work:   ; $ mail login.com/sub="Test" smtp%"joe_user@test_domain.com"x? $ mail login.com/sub="Test" "smtp%""joe_user@test_domain.com"""c? $ mail login.com/sub="Test" smtp%"""joe_user@test_domain.com"""       fF Since all of these systems are using TCPIP rather than MX, maybe there; is a change somewhere past the DCL parsing with MX and 7.3.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:45:32 +0200- From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not bootr5 Message-ID: <THom9.158444$H6.13180892@zwoll1.home.nl>e  N I was hoping to upgrade my PWS500au from 7.3 to 7.3-1 tonight, but I stumbled  over a problem.   O After booting the CD it will go as far as reporting that the network interface  Q is set to full duplex etc. After that I see some more activity, but then after a DN while the CD player doesn't do very much anymore. Only occasionally I see the " read led flash for a short moment.  P I'm using a copied CD, but I cleaned the CD player and did a anal/read over the  CD and saw no problems.M  N My system is vary basic, Powerstorm 4D20 and Qlogic SCSI controller. The only O thing special is a USB card with the Lucent chipset. I was hoping to connect a  P scroll mouse to that, so I installed the card months ago. The VMS 7.3 CD has no 9 problems, so I suppose it has something to do with 7.3-1.f   Has anyone seen this problem ?   Regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:55:00 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>C9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)o' Message-ID: <3D9A49BA.F023A970@fsi.net>n   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3D996518.72E7CEE0@videotron.ca...G > > It was recently revealed that even the most boring and conservativeu	 > britishr: > > prime minister (John Major) has had an illicit affair. > >i, > > How will this impact the future of VMS ? > >h > > :-) :-) :-) ;-)e >  > It won't. They used Windoze.  + So, we're talking about voyeurism here, eh?    -- C David J. Dachterag dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:55:56 GMTt1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>C9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)c' Message-ID: <3D9A49F3.B9C64641@fsi.net>d   JF Mezei wrote:r > M > It was recently revealed that even the most boring and conservative britisho8 > prime minister (John Major) has had an illicit affair. > * > How will this impact the future of VMS ? >  > :-) :-) :-) ;-)c  G Rather depends. If it was a threesome with C&C, there might be room forR# ... (fill in the blank as you will)a   -- e David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/v   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 18:04:13 -0000n4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued6 Message-ID: <20021001180413.19117.qmail@nym.alias.net>  / On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, <rob@netcarrier.net> wrote:pD >> what spin?  if you use wasd or webes shareware, this can and doesG >> happen ... it happens with apache and it happens w/ucx, although ucx0B >> was a file protection glitch ... since I use none of the above, >> I am batting 1000 still ... >M >eL >    Ahh Yes I forgot you don't use any software created after 1988 and then% >only if written in Dibol or Bliss :)n  K Well, even though he is in my killfile, I've been waiting for Bob's spin onSJ this too. I also know there are a few others out there interesting in what0 comments Captain InstantWhip could come up with.  G Being "Site A" ( http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/293229 ) has J been an interesting experience though. I'd really love to see the reactionC from Bob if he'd got a mail from himself signed "Jean-Loup Gailly".b     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netr   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 16:08:01 -0700-( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210011508.109feac5@posting.google.com>b  r Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message news:<20021001180413.19117.qmail@nym.alias.net>...1 > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, <rob@netcarrier.net> wrote:sF > >> what spin?  if you use wasd or webes shareware, this can and doesI > >> happen ... it happens with apache and it happens w/ucx, although ucxaD > >> was a file protection glitch ... since I use none of the above,  > >> I am batting 1000 still ... > >7 > >fN > >    Ahh Yes I forgot you don't use any software created after 1988 and then' > >only if written in Dibol or Bliss :)g > M > Well, even though he is in my killfile, I've been waiting for Bob's spin on L > this too. I also know there are a few others out there interesting in what2 > comments Captain InstantWhip could come up with. > I > Being "Site A" ( http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/293229 ) hasbL > been an interesting experience though. I'd really love to see the reactionE > from Bob if he'd got a mail from himself signed "Jean-Loup Gailly".- >  > Doc.  D wasd is free ... what are you complaining about ... you get what you pay for!   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 16:12:21 -07000( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0210011512.7256c5de@posting.google.com>a  [ <rob@netcarrier.net> wrote in message news:<V%jm9.374$Je7.109486208@news.netcarrier.net>...mE > > what spin?  if you use wasd or webes shareware, this can and doestH > > happen ... it happens with apache and it happens w/ucx, although ucxC > > was a file protection glitch ... since I use none of the above,= > > I am batting 1000 still ...n >  > M >     Ahh Yes I forgot you don't use any software created after 1988 and then=& > only if written in Dibol or Bliss :) >  > $ >                                Rob  C why downgrade to a lesser product ... Synergy DBL blows every other-A 3/4 gl language away ... and ucx runs on top of vms ... they haveo? closed the accidently left open logfile glitch and the vms corexB still remains the best os out there for the past 25 years, and the next 25 years to come ...0   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:15:07 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a* Subject: RE: WASD Security Advisory Issued9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEGLFNAA.tom@kednos.com>o  ) That's because you don't understand PL/I.t   >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]( >Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:12 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ >Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued  >A >r' ><rob@netcarrier.net> wrote in message 06 >news:<V%jm9.374$Je7.109486208@news.netcarrier.net>...F >> > what spin?  if you use wasd or webes shareware, this can and doesI >> > happen ... it happens with apache and it happens w/ucx, although ucxhD >> > was a file protection glitch ... since I use none of the above,  >> > I am batting 1000 still ... >> w >>  A >>     Ahh Yes I forgot you don't use any software created after i >1988 and then' >> only if written in Dibol or Bliss :)e >> u >>  % >>                                Robl >SD >why downgrade to a lesser product ... Synergy DBL blows every otherB >3/4 gl language away ... and ucx runs on top of vms ... they have@ >closed the accidently left open logfile glitch and the vms coreC >still remains the best os out there for the past 25 years, and the  >next 25 years to come ... >i >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.r; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).mA >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002n >P ---k& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:52:02 -0400 From: <rob@netcarrier.net>* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued9 Message-ID: <2Lsm9.378$qB7.110752837@news.netcarrier.net>-  F > >why downgrade to a lesser product ... Synergy DBL blows every otherD > >3/4 gl language away ... and ucx runs on top of vms ... they haveB > >closed the accidently left open logfile glitch and the vms coreE > >still remains the best os out there for the past 25 years, and they > >next 25 years to come ... > >G        L      Interesting how on  CSA's Web Site they list in this order .... Windows , Unix and Then VMSdJ       What thier products run on.... And Synergy/DBL is listed as for your
 legacy needs.-=       Prehaps you should start looking at some new technology   9                                                       Robc   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:45:22 GMTr From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGo+ Subject: Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?o0 Message-ID: <00A14CD9.40A67601@SendSpamHere.ORG>  x In article <lUvAvP3LnO89@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:A >Is there any support in VMS for users writing a new filesystem ?   
 Yes.  $QIO   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMy            w5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" m   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 14:17:36 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r+ Subject: Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?e3 Message-ID: <HeS0uXW$WOol@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <lUvAvP3LnO89@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:  B > Is there any support in VMS for users writing a new filesystem ?  B    Yes and no.  You can write your own device driver, that's fullyD    documented and supported and you could stuff a simple file system8    inside a driver, but it would need to be very simple.  @    You can also write an ACP, which is how all file systems wereF    originally written for VMS.  This is unsupported but the techniquesF    are discussed in "VMS Advanced Device Driver Techniques", Hanrahan H    and Leahy, Professional Press (ISBN 0-9614729-5-2).  I think someone C    bought Professional Press, but this may not be in print.  You'll-F    probably need a copy of the VMS source listing CD.  See the FAQ for#    pointers to buying the listings.j  H    You could in principle supply an alternate XQP, which is how Files-11E    ODS-2 and ODS-5 are now implemented, but IIRC there's only a brieftD    discussion of this in the internals manual "OpenVMS AXP Internals@    and Data Structures", Goldenberg and Saravanan, Digital PressG    (ISBN 1-55558-120-X).  There's likely to be a later version than thetF    one this ISBN references.  You'll certainly need a copy of the VMS     source listing CD.      r  F    You'll need to support all the documented QIO ACP interfaces if youF    think of even having half a chance at getting RMS to work with your@    file system, and remember all the HLL RTLs sit on top of RMS.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:42:45 -0500' From: "Butler,Jim" <JBUTLER@cerner.com>t  Subject: Re: Writing a VMS CLI ?M Message-ID: <D15ED542E12BD3119FFE00805F6551F00EF63DEE@mailwhqnews.cerner.com>v  E If you are a system level programmer, writing a CLI isn't going to beeH too difficult. If you don't start with DCL, I would think recreating allE of the existing DCL functions and features would keep you too busy to E write your add-ons. From a maintenance perspective, things like AlphaiG VMS caused quite a bit of work, but once on Alpha not very many changesa due to VMS version changes.o  ! VMS specific things I recall are:   ! Different program entry procedure_4 You set up condition handlers for things like CNTL-Y% You make calls to the image activator  You do image rundown Not the most fun thing to debuge  
 Jim Butler Cerner Corp.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:57:46 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>@ Subject: Re: Writing a VMS CLI ?, was: Re: Suggestion for SEARCH. Message-ID: <3D99E21A.61B902C1@mindspring.com>   Simon Clubley wrote:  I > [*] BTW, here's my list of what I would like to see in an enhanced DCL:C >Y' > At least 64KB length string variables-- > Maximum command line length of at least 8KB2M > Much better searching of the recall buffer (bash style Ctrl-R support wouldp >         do very nicely)D7 > Editing command lines greater than the terminal width C > Many more built in lexicals (f$getuai/f$setuai come to mind here).7 > Support for site specific lexical function libraries..C > Directly reading and writing to and from TCP (not telnet!) ports. - > Lexical style access to various TCP/IP APIsnQ > A structured multi-option selection construct (in C, that would be switch/case)aK > Character I/O support for terminal devices, including the user's terminal   - While you're at it, support prompts >32 bytest- so that one could pack a meaningful amount ofe information into the prompt.  * In tcsh, I routinely display in my prompt:       o My host node%     o My default run-time environmenta%     o My ClearCase development "view"n)     o The last element in my default pathm  ) And all of this is wrapped in a series ofi$ color-changing ANSI Escape sequences- to highlight various special situations. I'llP, bet I run a lot closer to 128 bytes than 32,( although the actual "displayed width" of# the prompt is usually fairly small.e   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 14:06:06 -0600-- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m@ Subject: Re: Writing a VMS CLI ?, was: Re: Suggestion for SEARCH3 Message-ID: <jvq2Vgqh3ny1@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  x In article <00MMku9mUJh4@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:n > In article <20021001151029.7162.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: >>  I >> I would hope that at some point in the future a different CLI would belN >> available with standard VMS. Then, if user x wants a unix-like environment,& >> you just do the following for them: >> k# >> $ mc authorize modify x/CLI=bash- >> - > B > So what VMS specific coding is required when writing a VMS CLI ?  E    CLIs use undocumented interfaces in VMS.  There have been requestsgA    for documentation on how to write a CLI but it was never done.4   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 02:07:17 GMTe From: lbohan@dbc..spamless..comu@ Subject: Re: Writing a VMS CLI ?, was: Re: Suggestion for SEARCH8 Message-ID: <7gkkpusd8gvorsbt5pj3jjhcp5ot5taac9@4ax.com>   On 1 Oct 2002 12:13:46 -0600, C clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) wrote:P  H >[*] BTW, here's my list of what I would like to see in an enhanced DCL:& >At least 64KB length string variables, >Maximum command line length of at least 8KB8 >Much better searching of the recall buffer (bash style % >Ctrl-R support would do very nicely)h6 >Editing command lines greater than the terminal widthB >Many more built in lexicals (f$getuai/f$setuai come to mind here)6 >Support for site specific lexical function libraries.B >Directly reading and writing to and from TCP (not telnet!) ports., >Lexical style access to various TCP/IP APIsP >A structured multi-option selection construct (in C, that would be switch/case)J >Character I/O support for terminal devices, including the user's terminal  3 I had always thought a (modified?) Perl would make l a very cool CLI/shell.   s  ) Especially if one could add on the usual D CPAN extensions at will.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.543 ************************