1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 02 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 544       Contents:C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) 0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium  Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS C Does anyone think that this is a good idea Was Re: ds10L + sound .. ) Dual-head problem on VMS 7.3 on XP1000... - Re: Dual-head problem on VMS 7.3 on XP1000... 4 Re: Dual-head problem on VMS 7.3 on XP1000... Solved! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)  Re: External Authentication 2 Re: F$GETQUI entry completion in the middle ages ?	 FDL Files 
 Re: FDL Files A Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue E RE: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue E RE: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue E RE: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue  Re: Getting started with VMS?  Re: Getting started with VMS? 0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?0 Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! P I found a cool HACKER COMMUNITY site.  Come hurry and be the first members to joE Java 1.3.1. Failing to run a program trying to access an Ingres dbase I Re: Java 1.3.1. Failing to run a program trying to access an Ingres dbase  Re: jEdit install question Re: LAT terminal server $ LCD monitors on OpenVMS workstationsP Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS   just yawnP Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS   just yawn Mozilla and CSS  Re: Mozilla and CSS  Re: Mozilla and CSS  Re: Mozilla and CSS ( MS Unix services for Windows and OpenVMS Re: MySQL for VMS? Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's P Re: Press Release  LEGATO Teams with HP To Release An Industry-First For Backup P Re: Press Release  LEGATO Teams with HP To Release An Industry-First For Backup ) Re: Result of search directly to a symbol * Seen on a sign at the HP booth at EDUCAUSE; Telnet to a consoleport of an openVMS using a DECserver 300  Trace Route. Re: Trace Route. Re: Trace Route. Re: Trace Route. RE: Trace Route. RE: Trace Route. Re: Trace Route. Re: Trace Route. Re: Trace Route. Re: UAF Problem  Re: UAF Problem  Re: UAF Problem 6 UCX POP Server, Was: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boot RE: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boot Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boot Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boot3 WANTED: VAX 11/750 in New Mexico, W. Texas, Arizona ! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued ! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued ! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued ! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued ! RE: WASD Security Advisory Issued / Why slow system when using logical search list?  [OT] Fix your Outlook Express.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:48:43 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT), Message-ID: <3D99B5CB.80405@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote: w > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<bPFl9.363298$5r1.16859132@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...  >  >>(URL below wraps)  >>N >>http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/29/technology/circuits/29CHIP.html?ex=1033876" >>800&en=573e03cf736d51a5&ei=5062& >>I >>(BYT, it mentions that eliminating *both* PA-RISC and Alpha development M >>should save HP $200 - $400 million annually, one more confirmation of EV8's M >>cost being on the order of $100 million or less annually, given that it was K >>only one of two parallel chip efforts plus did not include server-related  >>development.)  >> >>- bill >  > F > all this tells us is that google can't afford to pay for a few extraE > volts of electicity ... doubts about whether co's will want to move E > to a new architecture are old news ... this repeats the doubts from " > the past ... useless article ...    A Nope it tells us the the power budget for servers is a real issue   and not one that can be ignored.  @ One customer I deal with has a remove a box before putting a new? box into one of their main datacenters. The datacenter is by no  means full so whats going on.   + Ans They have run out of power and cooling.   0 BTW you gave the article a huge seal of approval by trashing it :-)   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 07:50:33 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 8 Message-ID: <4cqlpu4r6l4kogkv5sbdpn9pcsoujbeb94@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:36:30 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:   > 4 >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message3 >news:3o9jpucr6q31sasb9h5jj45r16d4gpk4mn@4ax.com... I >> On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:38:38 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> 	 >> wrote:  > E >> One's need to eat - and support a family - can make one do strange 9 >> things, though.  But for the grace of God, there go I.  > J >You seem to have missed the less-than-subtle distinction between "need toF >eat" and "desire to obtain an exclusive, high-paying job whose statedM >requirements you don't meet, rather than some slightly lower-paying position L >that would still place you in the top 10% of wage-earners".  But given yourK >apparently fluid attitude toward ethics in general, this does not surprise  >me. >   F Actually, you have no idea what I believe and what I do not believe in4 regards to ethics.  You would probably be surprised.  B I merely ask these questions because this discussion has raised myE curiousity about how far people will take this one specific thing.  I E mean, if someone is really, really good at their job, and are helping B your company, should/would they still be fired if it is found they, lied on their resume?  In every single case?  F This goes beyond the current example which,  imho, is an example whereD someone's credentials may actually matter to the business because it$ impacts the credibility of the work.  F The answer, I suppose, might depend upon what kind of lies were on theE resume, but I've been in places where it has been really difficult to C find good, dedicated employees.  I'm not so sure that some of these ? managers would be willing to let someone go if they were really  performing well.   >>D >> If someone can't do the job they've been hired to do, then by allF >> means, take them out of that job.  However, if they can perform allC >> that's required of them, no piece of paper should mean more than  >> actual ability. > K >In the capitalistic world I'm familiar with, it's the employer who gets to > >make that determination (whether or not it's a sensible one). >   = Well, sure.  I don't think I've ever said anything different.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:05:01 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 2 Message-ID: <NOEm9.30$EJ3.526448@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bill Todd wrote in message ... > A >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message - >news:OC2m9.42$MY1.909479@news.cpqcorp.net...  >  >... > J >> There was a note in here a week or so ago looking for developers in theL >> Boston area.  They wanted Systems programmers, and are only interested inC >> people with degree's from "Top Technical" schools...  What if an C >> experienced, brilliant, degree'd from a small state college, and  >unemployed H >> Systems engineer - recently layed off with wife and kids - padded his >resume B >> just enough to make it seem like he had a degree from Stanford. >>H >> 1) He'd never get in the door without the degree.  2) He might end up >their@ >> best employee.  3) He would get fired if the "lie" was found. >>C >> On a scale of 1 to 3, where 3 means burning in hell, and 1 means J >> no-harm-no-foul -- where does this guy rank?  The requirement is stupid onL >> it's face, but lying is also bad.  The guy does have a family to support,G >> and no chance of getting the job without the lie.  If I were him - I  think  >IF >> could sleep at night if the lie got me the job.  It meets my simple >tests -J >> he thinks (knows) he can do the job, the requirement (a "top" technicalJ >> school degree) isn't critical to the work, and the person has reason to" >> believe they will perform well. > J >I can see why you don't have problems with Carly:  you two appear to have7 >similar concepts of what constitutes ethical behavior.  > J >I've never lied on a resume to match a stated job requirement, regardless ofF >my own suspicions about its relevance.  And I've never had difficultyF >getting a job I wanted despite failing to match any such requirement:L >requirements are just as negotiable as the other aspects of employment, and= >that's the way to address the kind of issue you raise above.  > E >I do, however, tend not to bother investigating jobs which list such C >requirements, because I prefer working with people smart enough to $ >understand what they actually need. >   H Hmm.  Neither have I.  Nonetheless, it is easy to see how it can happen.I One day you may have some Zen-like breakthrough and be able to see things 0 from someone elses eyes - but I highly doubt it.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 06:19:51 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <iId$8mQrtqys@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <xMum9.3797$PP.7059@rwcrnsc53>, "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com> writes: 7 > When & where is this? Where is the registration page?   E It is the renamed (and possibly repurposed; I never went to the prior I editions) THOT conference formerly held for ISVs and Channel Partners (as C if I would know what a Channel Partner is after tripping over one).   ) 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:52:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> & Subject: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS+ Message-ID: <3D9B1654.A9EBED4@videotron.ca>    A better mousetrap ?  I The WHOIS software I had found for VMS seemed to date from before Al Gore 0 invented the Internet (eg: educational servers).  J So I set out to build a better WHOIS client which can handle today's needs> better. It is fully native to VMS, designed for TCPIP Services  P It is available for download at: http://pages.infinit.net/jfmezei/vms/index.html  N Package contains source and objects and a simple build procedure, as well as aU procedure to update the built-in list of servers (there are about 160 known servers).   M The utility also does lookups by IP address (eg: put in any IP address and it = will tell you who owns the block containing that IP address).    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:05:31 GMT = From: peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) L Subject: Does anyone think that this is a good idea Was Re: ds10L + sound ..1 Message-ID: <3d9ac327.3480718@news.cable.ntl.com>   ! On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:47:41 GMT, > peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote:  F I had an idea - maybe someone could produce a small rack mount cabinetB you could fit under your desk. That way you could have say up to 5E ds10l/ds20L under your desk clustered and then you could use just one D most of the time and then if you wanted to do some serious gaming orF more seriously floating point you could switch on the other 4. ImagineE that 10 EV6 1ghz or maybe now ev7 under your desk! How many Gigaflops  would that be?  % It's possible to pick up DS10Ls from     http://www.islandco.com   
 for $995US  D I suppose you don't need a specially built rackmount cabinet there's1 probably something from desk shops that would do.   C I thought it would be a good idea to have maybe a laptop on the top 1 rack - though that would probably have to be x86.   B Also I thought it would good idea for those in Academic places who/ need a lot of power or Research establishments.   B Out of interest does anyone, Dave, know how much a DS20L costs? Of+ course these don't run VMS for some reason.   / Does anyone think that this idea has any merit?   
 Kind regards,               " >On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:38:18 GMT,? >peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote:  >  >> >>Hi,  >>F >>I suppose this is a bit of an odd question. But I was looking at theH >>specs of the DS10L and it seems it comes with only one PCI slot and noH >>in built sound capabilities therefore if you put in a vga card you areE >>left without sound. Are there any video + sound PCI cards out there  >>that work with Alpha X?  >>H >>Shame really as the DS10L is about the cheapest EV6 system you can buyB >>out there and I have read that it is possible to use as Desktop." >>Pretty cool looking one at that. >>G >>Of course I expect there is absolutely no hope of finding such a card ; >>that works with VMS, though maybe Tru64 is a possibility.  >>	 >>cheers,  >> >> >> >> >>Peter Watkinson ' >>peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com  >>remove <nospam> to reply :-) >> > E >Are I have found a card. A Videologic Apocalypse 5D Sonic from about A >98. It has a Tseng labs chip so should be OK for X plus is Sound G >Blaster compatible. However they are about as rare as the proverbial -  >put your phrase here - ;-). >   >Does anyone know of any others. > % >On the Compaq DS10L Quick specs page  >  > A >http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10551_na/10551_na.html  > C >There are plenty of PCI Combo cards available but none for sound + $ >video - video + scsi + network yes. > D >Also it says that it's OK to use the DS10L as a desktop - so that's
 >official. > E >The quick specs for the DS20L say that only supposed to be used as a C >rackmount. The DS20L has two PCI slots though. Maybe someone could C >produce one of those little stands like used with the Multias - be C >pretty neat. Though DS20Ls I think are quite a bit more expensive. A >Also with these systems it's only possible to have one hard disk F >unless you use an external cd rom/floppy. So no real chance of a dual >boot. > G >I had an idea - maybe someone could produce a small rack mount cabinet C >you could fit under your desk. That way you could have say up to 5 F >ds10l/ds20L under your desk clustered and then you could use just oneE >most of the time and then if you wanted to do some serious gaming or G >more seriously floating point you could switch on the other 4. Imagine F >that 10 EV6 1ghz or maybe now ev7 under your desk! How many Gigaflops >would that be?  >  >cheers, >  >  >Peter Watkinson& >peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com >remove <nospam> to reply :-)  >    Peter Watkinson % peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com  remove <nospam> to reply :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:42:37 GMT & From: "Mark Sun" <marksun@genetek.com>2 Subject: Dual-head problem on VMS 7.3 on XP1000...; Message-ID: <NtEm9.21252$OO4.1212482@news1.telusplanet.net>    Hello!  H I am trying to get VMS 7.3 to work on a dual-headed XP1000 that uses twoG Oxygen VX1 cards.  I have upgraded the firmware to v5.9-1 successfully. E Running a single head configuration works fine, but as soon as I copy L DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.TEMPLATE to *.COM, and DECW$STARTUP RESTART, I get@ the username/password screen with the behaviour described below.  J -Compaq startup screen comes up, but the Username/Password box is the same color as the background (grey). I -The second monitor background is displayed properly in grey, but I can't  move the mouse over to it.K -In fact, the mouse appears to be disabled as clicking in the Password text  area doesn't allow entry to it.   G -The session manager box appears, but it appears to have a heavy shadow 
 behind it.K -Mouse does not seem to recognize window placement.  When I try to click on L the menu bar on the session manager, I receive the Workspace pop-up, as if I  were clicking on the background.L -Keyboard controls continue to work, which allows me to shutdown the system.    I During boot, I notice that I receive the message that there are 4 screens G detected (but only 2 cards present!)  VMS 7.3 system disk is completely  unmodified.  ...  Number of screens:        4 / Screen devices and order:   GZA0,GZA0,GZB0,GZB0        $ show dev g/full > Device GZA0:, device type DECwindows output device, is online, record-oriented $ device, carriage control, shareable.  J Error count               0                                     Operations& completed                           87E Owner process            ""                                 Owner UIC  [SYSTEM]; Owner process ID   00000000                        Dev Prot  S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPL I Reference Count           2                                Default buffer " size                             0  > Device GZB0:, device type DECwindows output device, is online, record-oriented $ device, carriage control, shareable.   Error count               0 1 Operations completed                           50 K Owner process            ""                                       Owner UIC  [SYSTEM]A Owner process ID   00000000                              Dev Prot  S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPL I Reference Count           2                                       Default ) buffer size                             0     I I looked for patches that may be applicable, but nothing seems to address J this problem.  Any help is greatly appreciated, as I need to solve this as soon as possible.      Thanks!    Mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:00:20 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 6 Subject: Re: Dual-head problem on VMS 7.3 on XP1000...2 Message-ID: <oKEm9.29$WG3.450659@news.cpqcorp.net>  B You have apparently mucked with the configuration files.  Check inK SYS$MANAGER for any DECW$*.COM file that is both in the COMMON area and the  system specific area.   G This is typical of someone, say, editing DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_GF.COM, and I ending up with two copies not in the same directory.  The wildcard search K being done ends up finding both of the files, and executing them both.  You L then end up with these ghost devices, and two servers trying to write to the same screen.   _Fred    Mark Sun wrote in message ...  >Hello!  > I >I am trying to get VMS 7.3 to work on a dual-headed XP1000 that uses two H >Oxygen VX1 cards.  I have upgraded the firmware to v5.9-1 successfully.F >Running a single head configuration works fine, but as soon as I copyI >DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.TEMPLATE to *.COM, and DECW$STARTUP RESTART, I  get A >the username/password screen with the behaviour described below.  > K >-Compaq startup screen comes up, but the Username/Password box is the same   >color as the background (grey).J >-The second monitor background is displayed properly in grey, but I can't >move the mouse over to it. L >-In fact, the mouse appears to be disabled as clicking in the Password text  >area doesn't allow entry to it. > H >-The session manager box appears, but it appears to have a heavy shadow >behind it. L >-Mouse does not seem to recognize window placement.  When I try to click onK >the menu bar on the session manager, I receive the Workspace pop-up, as if  I ! >were clicking on the background. E >-Keyboard controls continue to work, which allows me to shutdown the  system.  >  > J >During boot, I notice that I receive the message that there are 4 screensH >detected (but only 2 cards present!)  VMS 7.3 system disk is completely >unmodified. >... >Number of screens:        40 >Screen devices and order:   GZA0,GZA0,GZB0,GZB0 >  >  >  >$ show dev g/full? >Device GZA0:, device type DECwindows output device, is online,  >record-oriented% >device, carriage control, shareable.  > K >Error count               0                                     Operations ' >completed                           87 F >Owner process            ""                                 Owner UIC	 >[SYSTEM] < >Owner process ID   00000000                        Dev Prot >S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLJ >Reference Count           2                                Default buffer# >size                             0  > ? >Device GZB0:, device type DECwindows output device, is online,  >record-oriented% >device, carriage control, shareable.  >  >Error count               02 >Operations completed                           50L >Owner process            ""                                       Owner UIC	 >[SYSTEM] B >Owner process ID   00000000                              Dev Prot >S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLJ >Reference Count           2                                       Default* >buffer size                             0 >  > J >I looked for patches that may be applicable, but nothing seems to addressK >this problem.  Any help is greatly appreciated, as I need to solve this as  >soon as possible. >  >  >Thanks! >  >Mark  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:35:14 GMT & From: "Mark Sun" <marksun@genetek.com>= Subject: Re: Dual-head problem on VMS 7.3 on XP1000... Solved ; Message-ID: <6fFm9.21256$OO4.1218949@news1.telusplanet.net>    Fred has solved my problem.   D I think guys at HP like Fred should get paid more than the CEO's do.   Thanks again, Fred!    Mark  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:oKEm9.29$WG3.450659@news.cpqcorp.net... > D > You have apparently mucked with the configuration files.  Check inI > SYS$MANAGER for any DECW$*.COM file that is both in the COMMON area and  the  > system specific area.  > I > This is typical of someone, say, editing DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_GF.COM, and K > ending up with two copies not in the same directory.  The wildcard search H > being done ends up finding both of the files, and executing them both. You J > then end up with these ghost devices, and two servers trying to write to the  > same screen. >  > _Fred    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:52:22 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) * Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)+ Message-ID: <aneq66$o4g$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   s In article <72f5654.0210011225.4934b40b@posting.google.com>, francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.it (Francesco Gennai) writes: f >Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> wrote in message news:<3D996314.3C585889@digital.com>...G >> You could try using PHP to roll your own. There is a useful class at . >> http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/POP3.phtml8 >> (works for me reading VMSmail from Apache webserver.)J >> Unfortunately, mail once read is automatically moved out of the NEWMAIL
 >> folder. >>  F >> Otherwise, YAHmail works well on the OSU webserver. (Alpha or VAX.) >> Have not tried it on Apache.  > ; >YAHmail read messages by a direct access to VMSmail store.  > B >What I'm searching for is a webmail client that should run on VMSE >platform (Apache or OSU or WASD is ok) and that can access mailboxes  >on any other remoteE >system via POP (optionally IMAP) protocol and that can send messages % >by a remote system via SMTP session. - >This is like most of webmail interface work.  >   N Try MAILMAN from ENDYMION see http://www.endymion.com/  this uses PERL and I'mM pretty sure others have run it on VMS in the past. It uses POP to access the   user's mailboxes.   N I don't use it myself since all the student's mail is stored on the VMS systemH and Yahmail can access all the user's mail folders whereas POP access is$ restricted to just the user's inbox.  H You might also be able to use Endymion's newer Sake Mail which is a javaL servlet system since tomcat will run on VMS. This can access mail via POP or* IMAP. Again I haven't actually tried this.  I These are commercial products but you can get a free demo distribution to  install and test out.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 08:19:54 -0700 " From: horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn)$ Subject: Re: External Authentication= Message-ID: <843706dc.0210020719.21181516@posting.google.com>   1 Does this work with Win2000 and Active Directory?   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<at$umegheyjT@eisner.encompasserve.org>...\ > In article <3D94EF4C.82867DB@bellsouth.net>, Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net> writes: > >  > > Rick Barry wrote:  > >>  Q > >> External authentication requires an Advanced Server installation on at least Q > >> one node of the cluster, running the "logon" service. Advanced Server is the O > >> communication channel into the Microsoft user domain database and services Q > >> the actual authentication requests or passes them off to a Domain Controller  > >> elsewhere on the network. > >>   > > ? > > So is there another way to do this without Advanced Server?  > ; > No, because the required code comes with Advanced Server.  > J > But installing Advanced Server is not the same thing as buying a licenseH > for Advanced Server.  The last I knew the part of Advanced Server thatM > is used for external authentication runs with just the regular VMS license.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:11:59 +02000 From: Andrew Atkinson <andrew@xwind.demon.co.uk>; Subject: Re: F$GETQUI entry completion in the middle ages ? 0 Message-ID: <aQj+hTAfjym9Ew$B@xwind.demon.co.uk>  I Easy once you know - thanks John. I suspected that it might be something  E like this. The main problem (which I have now resolved) was the fact  H that the job had actually completed - well that is what the user said ! F Mea Culpa - too much work and not enough time to think things through 
 logically.   Andrew  4 In message <X9rUw40Rnfka@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  briggs@encompasserve.org writes B >In article <78$2qgFvefm9EwJ6@xwind.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Atkinson # ><andrew@xwind.demon.co.uk> writes: H >> Maybe it's just me ... but trying to get the time of completion of anI >> entry in a batch queue by using the lexical f$getqui returns a date in 	 >> 1578 ?  > B >Without even trying to reproduce this, I'll guess that the actualB >date returned is November 17, 1858 at 00:00:00.00 in the morning. > A >Now to confirm...  Yup.  That's what shows for jobs that haven't  >completed yet.  > F >That date is, of course, the zero date for the VMS quadword date/time >format. >  >       John Briggs    --   Andrew Atkinson    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:30:24 +0530# From: "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com>  Subject: FDL Files/ Message-ID: <uplusdrrrfao00@corp.supernews.com>   ( Is there any documentation of FDL files.  3 How do these files help in reprot writing..........      Thanks in Advance  Vivek    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:56:36 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: FDL Files/ Message-ID: <3D9B0719.125A07DC@eps.zko.dec.com>    Vivek Soni wrote:   * > Is there any documentation of FDL files.  " Start with the VMS guide to files,> Next the OpenVMS Record Management Utilitues Reference Manual.- FInally, if need be the RMS reference Manual.    > 5 > How do these files help in reprot writing..........  >   ( [Assuming reprot was ment to be report.]+ I don't know. They might or might not help.   E FDL have no function writing reports in their own right, but they can B help re-organize an (indexed) file to make reports more efficient.B They for example  can be used to add KEYs and change bucket sizes.  H But they don't help writting reports. Thats a job for Perl, C progggies,  C Cobol programs, Datatrieve scripts, and a slew of 4-gl power tools.   > You would need top be a lot more clear about the exact problem- you are trying to sole to get more melp here.    >    Cheers,  Hein   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 11:56:33 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)J Subject: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue3 Message-ID: <uv62O9rGpeYp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   D It's nice to see that a formal security advisory has now been issued$ about the POP server security issue:  E  Title:  SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server local vulnerability     [...]  6    This bulletin will be posted to the support website"    within 24 hours of release to -3    http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/support.html F    Use the SEARCH IN feature box, enter SSRT2371 in the search window.  ?    SSRT2371  POP server potential vulnerability (Severity HIGH)     D What I would be interested in knowing is if they were just very slowB in issuing the advisory or if they only decided to issue one afterB customer criticism that they (the customers) had not been formally	 notified.    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:51:53 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> N Subject: RE: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEHPFNAA.tom@kednos.com>    Didn't work for me.    >-----Original Message-----  >From: Simon Clubley6 >[mailto:clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP]+ >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:57 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE >Subject: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security  >issue >  > E >It's nice to see that a formal security advisory has now been issued % >about the POP server security issue:  > F > Title:  SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server local vulnerability >  > [...]  > 7 >   This bulletin will be posted to the support website # >   within 24 hours of release to - 4 >   http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/support.htmlG >   Use the SEARCH IN feature box, enter SSRT2371 in the search window.  > @ >   SSRT2371  POP server potential vulnerability (Severity HIGH) >  > E >What I would be interested in knowing is if they were just very slow C >in issuing the advisory or if they only decided to issue one after C >customer criticism that they (the customers) had not been formally 
 >notified. >  >Simon.  >  >-- C >Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP        , >Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 12:24:25 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)N Subject: RE: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue3 Message-ID: <tfC$30shm8io@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEHPFNAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  > Didn't work for me.  >   F Interesting. I cut and pasted straight from the security advisory that0 was sent to people on the security mailing list.  F They probably haven't got round to posting it onto the website yet; in? other words it probably really does take 24 hours to post it...    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:41:35 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> N Subject: RE: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEICFNAA.tom@kednos.com>   8 Since I couldn't access the site does this also apply to	 TCPIP5.1?    >-----Original Message-----  >From: Simon Clubley6 >[mailto:clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP]+ >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:57 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE >Subject: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server securityd >issue >e >eE >It's nice to see that a formal security advisory has now been issued % >about the POP server security issue:i >tF > Title:  SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server local vulnerability >o > [...]n >u7 >   This bulletin will be posted to the support websiteu# >   within 24 hours of release to -e4 >   http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/support.htmlG >   Use the SEARCH IN feature box, enter SSRT2371 in the search window.  >u@ >   SSRT2371  POP server potential vulnerability (Severity HIGH) >0 >BE >What I would be interested in knowing is if they were just very slowuC >in issuing the advisory or if they only decided to issue one afterrC >customer criticism that they (the customers) had not been formally 
 >notified. >  >Simon.  >  >-- C >Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP        , >Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.W; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 08:49:14 -0700 + From: seanobanion@attbi.com (Sean O'Banion) & Subject: Re: Getting started with VMS?< Message-ID: <f883d5a4.0210020749.a08ab9c@posting.google.com>  = Have a look at the OpenVMS home page, the FAQ, and the online  documentation:   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmll" http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000    < Also, you will need a supported system: a VAX or an Alpha.  C Note that not all Alphas support OpenVMS. Ebay is a good source for-F used Alphas.  I have a couple of Alphaserver 2100 that I got for about
 $500 each.  A OpenVMS requires a valid license to run.  Details of the Hobbyestn license can be found at:! http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/>    4 The OpenVMS home page also has a test drive program:! http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/E    D That's quite a bit to look at: If you have questions that don't seem5 to be answered there, your welcome to come back here.E       Sean  f "VB Guy" <dont.spam@me.now> wrote in message news:<gnnm9.433865$v53.19657411@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
 > Hey all! > J > Just wanting to learn a bit about VMS, but not sure where to start. I'veN > been messing around with computers since before IBM had a PC. Programming inG > Z80 & 6809 assembler, GWBasic, Dbase III and Clipper, Visual Basic 6.r > L > I've got a Sun Sparcstation 5 as well as a number of PC's running Windows,G > and one that will be getting Open BSD installed in the next few days.r > M > Can anyone give me some pointers as to how I could get some VMS experience?EN > Is there something I can load onto one of my machines so I could try it out? > / > Any information would be greatly appreciated!p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:43:45 GMTr! From: "VB Guy" <dont.spam@me.now>n& Subject: Re: Getting started with VMS?= Message-ID: <lfGm9.442464$v53.19844897@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>s   Thanks Sean!   Just what I was looking for.  8 "Sean O'Banion" <seanobanion@attbi.com> wrote in message6 news:f883d5a4.0210020749.a08ab9c@posting.google.com...? > Have a look at the OpenVMS home page, the FAQ, and the online  > documentation: >n  > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/7 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmll$ > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000 >n >l< > Also, you will need a supported system: a VAX or an Alpha.E > Note that not all Alphas support OpenVMS. Ebay is a good source foraH > used Alphas.  I have a couple of Alphaserver 2100 that I got for about > $500 each. >mC > OpenVMS requires a valid license to run.  Details of the Hobbyeste > license can be found at:# > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/  >0 >d6 > The OpenVMS home page also has a test drive program:# > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/, >a >bF > That's quite a bit to look at: If you have questions that don't seem7 > to be answered there, your welcome to come back here.  >n >p >e > Sean > . > "VB Guy" <dont.spam@me.now> wrote in message9 news:<gnnm9.433865$v53.19657411@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...  > > Hey all! > >PL > > Just wanting to learn a bit about VMS, but not sure where to start. I'veA > > been messing around with computers since before IBM had a PC.v Programming inI > > Z80 & 6809 assembler, GWBasic, Dbase III and Clipper, Visual Basic 6.r > > E > > I've got a Sun Sparcstation 5 as well as a number of PC's runningp Windows,I > > and one that will be getting Open BSD installed in the next few days.  > > C > > Can anyone give me some pointers as to how I could get some VMS  experience? K > > Is there something I can load onto one of my machines so I could try it  out? > > 1 > > Any information would be greatly appreciated!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:57:44 +0100b' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyr9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ? . Message-ID: <3D9AD128.2030007@nospamn.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:. > On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:41:19 -0400, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >  > X >>In 15 years, perhaps we will be able to store all of humanity's knowledge in a laptop. >  > @ > Yabbut, unfortunately the access speeds have not improved muchD > (relatively speaking).  At the current rate of speed improvements,7 > recalling any of that knowledge could take weeks. ;-)l  4 The Seagate drive refered to by JF is large but slow3 15000 RPM drives are now available, somewhat faster  than the 7200 Seagate.  7 But you are right, drive speeds have risen by much lesso then their capacities.   Regardsi Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 09:11:03 -0700e" From: ewilts@ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)9 Subject: Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?e= Message-ID: <995e39b6.0210020811.579b53f3@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D93666F.19A0D165@videotron.ca>...  > Ed Wilts wrote: H > > Disk drives are evil little pieces of spinning metal just waiting to
 > > hurt you.2 > O > Out of curiosity, are your physical drives "the latest and greatest" in termse: > of speed/capacity or are they a few generations behind ? > I > I feel more confident with drives that are not at the current limits. IfI > consider the "latest and greatest" to be Version 1.0 of a product. JusthP > because they have found a way to put 50 gigs onto a drive doesn't mean it will > be reliable.  D Sorry I haven't been following this thread so I'm a bit behind.  I'mD typically a way behind.  Most of my drives are 9 & 18GB - I've got a> few 36GB drives, but not many.  I've even got 4GB drives still running.  	    .../Edt   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 08:03:05 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!3 Message-ID: <X0FwvOR0Vold@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  h In article <d7791aa1.0210011205.7b7dca00@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  > it is found here ... so relax! > D > http://searchhp.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid6_gci854116,00.html  B    The article is an interview with Ram Appalaraju, HP's Business '    Critical Systems marketing director.t  B       "But it's not a transition. It's not a migration for OpenVMS       customers."t  G    Someone at HP has been listening.  "not a migration" is a different m2    track from the last decade with DEC and Compaq.  B       "if you're an OpenVMS customer, you are pretty much safe andC       secure where you are until you architecturally transition to o        Itanium in '04 and beyond"  H    Yeah, we know we're safe and secure.  It's good to see that HP knows C    it, too.  But we're safe and secure even if we don't transition..  B    Evidence:  recently someone excessed an 11/780 and an 8650, notE    exactly the kind of system you have top replace every few years.  dC    I don't have any of the code I wrote under VMS 1.x anymore, but aD    code I wrote under VMS 2.x is running unmodified on my VAX under E    VMS 7.1 and simply recompiled (cleanly) on my Alpha under VMS 7.3.11    And, of course, my anti-virus software is VMS.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:00:00 +0100t' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyc@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!. Message-ID: <3D9B1800.8060504@nospamn.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagen9 > news:d7791aa1.0210011205.7b7dca00@posting.google.com...f >   >>it is found here ... so relax! >>D >>http://searchhp.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid6_gci854116,00.html >  > L > Indeed.  I particularly liked the sentence about migrating from PA-RISC toM > Itanic:  "That's why our competitors would like to call it a migration or a N > disruption, but I challenge them to show me one customer who had a difficultM > transition" - when I suspect it would at this time be difficult to find onen< > customer who had migrated at all in any significant sense. >   8 It would be pretty remarkable if any major customers hadC done a serious migration to Itanium, you need Itanium II to supportS8 HP-UX and unless HP have invented a working time machine: or in the new climate payed someone to invent one for them its a practical impossibility.  8 Still its nice to see a marketing person reload and blow5 the other foot off. Rather reminiscant of some of then choir.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:39:55 -0700d& From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!/ Message-ID: <upm8amhjm1g883@corp.supernews.com>h  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  : > It would be pretty remarkable if any major customers hadE > done a serious migration to Itanium, you need Itanium II to supportA: > HP-UX and unless HP have invented a working time machine< > or in the new climate payed someone to invent one for them  > its a practical impossibility.  = Not exactly sure what you're getting at here, but you *don't*tA need Itanium II to support HP-UX - HP-UX 11i shipped on the i2000e* workstation and rx4610 and rx9610 servers.  
 In June 2001.   : > Still its nice to see a marketing person reload and blow7 > the other foot off. Rather reminiscant of some of theh > choir.   Pot, kettle, etc.d -- /
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:53:30 GMT,# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>v@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!I Message-ID: <uoGm9.166558$8b1.76205@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message5 news:Tnsm9.3654$dp1.7823@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...- > 7 > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messageH( > news:3D9A3159.1050207@tsoft-inc.com... > > Bill Todd wrote: > >g > > B > > > But we should still just relax and be happy:  after all, any > belt-tighteningi7 > > > resulting from the above could hardly affect VMS.e > >e > >VJ > > What about selling off parts of a company to meet a cash flow problem? > >eK > > All speculation.  I'm still waiting to see the outcome of IA-64, and of 	 > Hammer.m( > >   Not much to talk about until then. > >w >h? > Sure there is. Dell's success and HP's apparent death spiral.r     Terry,  E Does this mean that you are now not in favor of the Compaq/HP merger?r   ------------------------------  + Date: Wednesday, 02 Oct 2002 03:10:54 -0600i From: jaydawg@yahoo.comlY Subject: I found a cool HACKER COMMUNITY site.  Come hurry and be the first members to jos% Message-ID: <02100203.1054@yahoo.com>o  /Yeah i was looking on the net today and found this cool site that needs to be populated.  Its a message forum community for hackers and stuff.  They got forums for all kind of security and even some for free xxx password cracks and stuff.  Anways come check it out.  The address is www.teencyberlink.como   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 09:17:56 -0700n0 From: andrew.g.scott@ntlworld.com (Andrew Scott)N Subject: Java 1.3.1. Failing to run a program trying to access an Ingres dbase= Message-ID: <ac8de108.0210020817.4a8ae25d@posting.google.com>u  F I wrote a very quick and dirty program to test out access to an IngresE II dbase. Under Java 1.1.8 I get the error "no suitable driver found"nB which I guess means that ODBC hasn't been installed on the server.  + However, under Java 1.3.1, I get this errorP    C Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: allocEnveE         at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbc.SQLAllocEnv(JdbcOdbc.java, Compiledr Code) G         at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver.initialize(JdbcOdbcDriver.java,u Compiled Code)D         at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver.connect(JdbcOdbcDriver.java, Compiled Code)C         at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java,d Compiled Code)C         at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java,T Compiled Code)4         at MOSSDEV.main(MOSSDEV.java, Compiled Code)   Mmmm? Any ideas?    + Here's the relevant portion of the program:G     public class MOSSDEV {   *     public static void main(String[] args)     { 8         //Sets up all the parameters for connections etc;         String jdbcDriver = "sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver";7               -         String protocolHeader = "jdbc:odbc:";i&         String dbName = "yy::mossdev";         String user = "";e         String password = "";a<         System.out.println("***Solution being executed***");         try 	         {T           // Load in the driverv$           Class.forName(jdbcDriver);1           System.out.println("...Driver loaded");            // Get a connectionf           Connection cn =tA                DriverManager.getConnection(protocolHeader+dbName,t user, password);:           System.out.println("...Connection established");          //Create a querye1           Statement query = cn.createStatement();k5           System.out.println("...Statement created");    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:28:58 +0200h@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>R Subject: Re: Java 1.3.1. Failing to run a program trying to access an Ingres dbase+ Message-ID: <3D9B2CDA.5000605@mail.tele.dk>l   Andrew Scott wrote:   H > I wrote a very quick and dirty program to test out access to an IngresG > II dbase. Under Java 1.1.8 I get the error "no suitable driver found" D > which I guess means that ODBC hasn't been installed on the server. > - > However, under Java 1.3.1, I get this error  >  > E > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: allocEnv-G >         at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbc.SQLAllocEnv(JdbcOdbc.java, Compiledo > Code)nI >         at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver.initialize(JdbcOdbcDriver.java,r > Compiled Code)F >         at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver.connect(JdbcOdbcDriver.java, > Compiled Code)E >         at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java,n > Compiled Code)E >         at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java,o > Compiled Code)6 >         at MOSSDEV.main(MOSSDEV.java, Compiled Code) >  > Mmmm? Any ideas?    = I can not positive say that you do not have a ODBC driver for 3 Ingres on VMS, but it would surprise me if you had.   = I would expect you to have a JDBC driver specific for Ingres.r   > public class MOSSDEV > {T > , >     public static void main(String[] args) >     {-: >         //Sets up all the parameters for connections etc= >         String jdbcDriver = "sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver";  >               / >         String protocolHeader = "jdbc:odbc:";L( >         String dbName = "yy::mossdev";    = To my best knowledge (base on JDBC-ODBC experience on Win32),-> the the syntax jdbc:odbc:dsnname and I assume : is not a valid part of DSN name..   >         String user = "";d >         String password = ""; > >         System.out.println("***Solution being executed***");
 >         tryV >         {t! >           // Load in the driver & >           Class.forName(jdbcDriver);3 >           System.out.println("...Driver loaded");u >           // Get a connection. >           Connection cn =eC >                DriverManager.getConnection(protocolHeader+dbName,s > user, password);< >           System.out.println("...Connection established"); >          //Create a queryl3 >           Statement query = cn.createStatement(); 7 >           System.out.println("...Statement created");n   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:08:17 +0200e@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk># Subject: Re: jEdit install questionr+ Message-ID: <3D9A8D51.6040408@mail.tele.dk>t   Marty Kuhrt wrote:  s > In article <3d99cbbd.9533448@news.demon.co.uk>, Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) writes:rC > I downloaded 4.03 and tried to install it, but regardless of whatcE > I filled in for installation and shortcut directories it would failVD > with a "Child creation error".  Here is a transcription of a text ; > based install, anyone have a clue as to what I did wrong?e  + The installation code does not work on VMS.S   But that is not a big problem.  > You can just UNZIP/UNJAR and you get a working JEDIT directory: (+some installation stuff you do not need but do no harm).  3 Worse is that it does not work properly. The editort6 can startup, but it goes bezerk when you try do a file browse.n  : It looks as if JEDIT has a problem with VMS directory/file name syntax.  + A pity - JEDIT on VMS would really be nice.    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:38:05 GMTe= From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>j  Subject: Re: LAT terminal server= Message-ID: <Nfym9.1570$JZ2.10372337@news-text.cableinet.net>l  . See www.digitalnetworks.net and www.vnetek.com  J Vnetek own Digital Networks. Digital Networks was known as Digital NetworkF Product Group and was owned by Cabletron when sold to them by DEC justI before the takeover of what was left of DEC by Compaq. A confused history J for a rock solid product line. However, it's now back under a Digital logo and it's still available.h  H For terminal servers there's also Xyplex (now MRV after re-branding from8 iTouch). See http://www.itouchcom.com/products/index.cfm  % There's also the second user dealers.n -- Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin.E' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)s   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 06:48:58 -0700.) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)r- Subject: LCD monitors on OpenVMS workstations = Message-ID: <55f85d77.0210020548.66577ee2@posting.google.com>r  B We recently received an offer at work from our PC supplier for LCDJ 18 inch monitors, and decided to take a couple (one for myself and one for our Novell Administrator).  G Very nice under OpenVMS 7.3/Motif with the Elsa Gloria - I want one for F home!. While not quite of the magnitude of the transition I made on myG home OpenVMS box from dial up modem to cable modem - it is pretty good!A  F The monitor is the Sony SDM-S81 which I run in 1280x1024 mode as it is
 designed for.y  L A concern are the adjustments for pitch and phase. Without proper adjustmentI horizontal lines of text to go from sharp to unfocused at a number of seti regions along the screen.j  E Of course you are provided with Window(tm) and Mac utils to provide a E test pattern to make this adjustment, which as far as I can tell is a  series of white/black bars.s  H OpenVMS?, sorry for the hack-o-rama as I've not done much with Xlib, andB did/do not have the time to make it nice. Yes this needs some niceG buttons etc - get the display geometry by itself, but does do the trick7$ (link with sys$share:decw$xlibshr).    /*F    A simple "produce alternate line pattern on monitor of 1280x1024 as4    I want my new monitor to look good now!" proggie.      Patrick Young - Sep 30, 2002f   */   #include <decw$include/Xatom>h #include <decw$include/Xlib> #include <stdio> #include <stdlib>c #include <string>    main() {  )     const int xsize = 1280, ysize = 1024;s  
     int x;       Display *dpy;p
     GC gc;     Screen *scn;     Window win;o     XGCValues xgcv;'     XSetWindowAttributes xswa;  '     if ((dpy = XOpenDisplay(0)) == 0) {   (         printf("Cannot open display\n");         exit(1);  	         }t  '     scn = XDefaultScreenOfDisplay(dpy);s  5     xswa.background_pixel = XBlackPixelOfScreen(scn);d  M     win = XCreateWindow(dpy, XRootWindowOfScreen(scn), 0, 0, xsize, ysize, 0,cM         XDefaultDepthOfScreen(scn), InputOutput, XDefaultVisualOfScreen(scn),v         CWBackPixel, &xswa);  /     xgcv.foreground = XWhitePixelOfScreen(scn);v/     xgcv.background = XBlackPixelOfScreen(scn);o  A     gc = XCreateGC(dpy, win, GCForeground | GCBackground, &xgcv);3       XMapWindow(dpy, win);x  "     for (x = 0; x += 2; x < xsize)0         XDrawLine(dpy, win, gc, x, 0, x, ysize);       XSync(dpy, 0);       }o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:10:17 +0200@@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>Y Subject: Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS   just yawn0+ Message-ID: <3D9B2879.7050609@mail.tele.dk>a   konabear wrote:   M > Of course if HP did license OpenVMS for the low end, and dust off DECwrite,t1 > DECcalc...  Hey we'd have a desktop system! :^)I   Hmmm.Y  2 I think people expectations of word-processors and1 spread-sheets has raised a lot the last 10 years.e   :-(e   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:14:14 GMTi( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>Y Subject: Re: license costs (was: RE: Microsoft reeling from hack attacks, VMS   just yawne? Message-ID: <qXEm9.1857$F53.1990790@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>c  K Of course if HP did license OpenVMS for the low end, and dust off DECwrite,o/ DECcalc...  Hey we'd have a desktop system! :^)e   Todd3 "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in messagey2 news:mnr3ou0q3ccesm60l5s3jm9fvh3m948oqu@4ax.com...E > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:34:42 -0400, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>j > wrote: >e6 > >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message5 > >news:9d31ou4ue6ajnmqvgvhdr89mg8jicbdf5v@4ax.com...g1 > >> On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:01:22 -0400, JF Mezeii* > >> <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > >> > >> >jlsue wrote:K > >> >> But the competitor, low-end products (especially Windows) do not gonH > >> >> through the exhaustive qualification that VMS does for supported > >> >> platforms. > >> > > >hL > >Yes, they do.  It's called Windows 2000 Datacenter Edition and it costs a > >LOT.e > E > Minor NIT.... I said "low-end products".  Datacenter Edition is not C > low-end.  And, just fyi, your statement is exactly what I've been  > saying all along.a >  >m > >>J > >> Sure, but again, there's a trade-off that if we decide not to performG > >> the qualifications on the low-end systems, the result could easily.4 > >> become a parity in the reliability comparisons. > >> > >oG > >Are you suggesting that when the Itanium port is released, HP shoulde refuse. > >to license OpenVMS on unqualified hardware? >tG > I don't think I ever made this statement.  Honestly, I can't even see06 > how what I did say could even be construed this way. >z > >cK > >When OpenVMS/IA-64 is released I hope that HP comes up with pricing thatDH > >mimics Microsoft.  If you want an OpenVMS license, it's $300.  If you callL > >for support, have your credit card ready.  If you want an OpenVMS license onI > >qualified hardware with support, it's $3,000.  If you need a developer J > >license, it's $1,000 a year for everything HP has.  A single person can runeE > >the software on as many machines as they need to but it's only formK > >development use, not production.  Just take a Microsoft MSDN License and  > >change Microsoft to HP. > E > This is interesting.  Hey, I'm all for cheaper VMS solutions.  I'vekE > been asking for it since the late 80s, early 90s (I have not alwaysaG > been a DEC/CPQ/HPQ employee).  I have no idea if they are consideringd2 > this since I'm not in that part of the business. >3 >e > >>B > >> I don't see how one can expect that a system+OS that has veryF > >> controlled hardware variability, with a significant qualification> > >> effort and higher reliability, should be capable of beingI > >> cost-competitive with a throw-away system that may have a huge arrayhK > >> of possible hardware combinations, and almost no qualification effort.c > >> > >aL > >There's no added cost in selling low-end OpenVMS licenses for unqualified > >hardware. >oF > Well, I can tell you that this assertion is not always true.  We hadH > low-cost storage (compared to certain competitors) in our StorageWorksB > SAN products, and we got bit with customer sat. issues when theyH > couldn't/didn't implement them correctly.  The failures were generally9 > blamed on the product, when it was more often incorrectjF > implementation.  This has forced us to require the purchase of a SanF > Implementation Service with all our SAN hardware.  It's the only wayG > we can guarantee that the stuff is implemented correctly.  And we canhB > verify that, at the time we leave, it is all working fine (well,E > assuming the customer doesn't change things when we get back to ouri > hotel rooms in the evenings).  >rC > >The main fear that HP will have is that selling low-end licensesuG > >will cannibalize their high-end, qualified sales.  If HP doesn't eate theiri > >young, someone else will. > >n >aF > I don't know if this is even an issue today.  For one thing, at thisE > point nobody is predicting the low-cost IA64 products we've come to-@ > expect from Intel-world systems.  Intel, itself, appears to be2 > charging a good bit of scratch to get the chips. > " > Only time will tell on that one. >-   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 13:33:04 GMT73 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)c Subject: Mozilla and CSS0 Message-ID: <anesig$okq$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hi,h  E Mozilla 1.2a doesn't honor the cascading style sheet on our web pages 6    http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/englisch/index.htmlM The color of the the text that corresponds to a link should be green (and not K blue). Netscape and Internet-Explorer on various platforms display the page-: properly. Thus, is this specific to my version of Mozilla?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannj  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:01:39 GMTo' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>  Subject: Re: Mozilla and CSS, Message-ID: <3D9B185E.5000404@theblakes.com>  D The css file is being sent with a mime type of "text/plain", so its ; being ignored. The W3C spec says it needs to be "text/css".)  E See http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/incorrect-mime-types/M   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:41:22 +00002 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> Subject: Re: Mozilla and CSS4 Message-ID: <20021002164122.E30801@eisenschmidt.org>  B 1.2 is an Alpha release, but I am seeing the same behavior with an& older 1.0 release (I need to upgrade).  C Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0+) Gecko/20020521e  6 You might want to look at what's reported in Bugzilla:  \http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=css&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=css&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=css&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=css  A If I had to guess though, I'd say your CSS isn't following a rulet1 properly. Have you used the CSS checker from W3C?   # http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/    Warnings. URI : http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/stil.css  A     * Line : 5 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generici family as a last alternativeA     * Line : 6 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generics family as a last alternativeA     * Line : 7 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a genericV family as a last alternativeA     * Line : 8 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic  family as a last alternativeA     * Line : 9 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generico family as a last alternativeB     * Line : 10 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternativeB     * Line : 11 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternativeB     * Line : 12 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternativeB     * Line : 13 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternativeB     * Line : 14 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternativeC     * Line : 15 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic   family as a last alternative      T Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Christoph Gartmann (gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de) Wrote: > Hi,n > G > Mozilla 1.2a doesn't honor the cascading style sheet on our web pages)8 >    http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/englisch/index.htmlO > The color of the the text that corresponds to a link should be green (and notiM > blue). Netscape and Internet-Explorer on various platforms display the page < > properly. Thus, is this specific to my version of Mozilla? > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmanns > J > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   --  / John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>hC    Public Key   |  http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/pgp.asceD    Fingerprint  |  5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2J Is this mail an attachment? http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:54:51 GMTd' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>h Subject: Re: Mozilla and CSS* Message-ID: <3D9B24DA.10808@theblakes.com>   John Eisenschmidt wrote:  B >If I had to guess though, I'd say your CSS isn't following a rule2 >properly. Have you used the CSS checker from W3C? >mF The css itself is valid, but its being served as text instead of css.  See my previous reply.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2002 23:46:36 -0700t+ From: usenet_ihc@hotmail.com (Gert de Boom) 1 Subject: MS Unix services for Windows and OpenVMSo= Message-ID: <12ce5972.0210012246.673aaf71@posting.google.com>-  E Using Microsoft Services for Unix we have installed a NFS server on auA Windows 2000 host. Our OpenVMS server connects to this NFS server " using the NFS client from TCPWare.  C Especially in setting user rights we have some problems. Anyone gotk# any valuable remarks/tips on this ?o   SFU version 2.0  TCPWare V5.5-3   Thanks in advance.   Gert   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 05:57:18 -0700 ) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)A Subject: Re: MySQL for VMS? = Message-ID: <55f85d77.0210020457.7a29dba9@posting.google.com>   V Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<amshkp02cvb@drn.newsguy.com>...J > reliable. Might be worth checking you are fully up to date with firmware > revisions on the 8400.   I The firmware is up to date, it is more a half/full duplex issue (the 8400aH is Tru64). An AS600 satellite in the OpenVMS cluster with a DE500 on theH same switch has had problems at full duplex when booting OpenVMS. XP1000D (OpenVMS) on the same switch has never had a problem set at autoneg.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:12:58 +0100i' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancye! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategic., Message-ID: <3D9823AA.80400@nospamn.sun.com>   John Smith wrote: 4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:k2f8pusq88umvuklce9vqagc7nd7v7cobp@4ax.com... > B >>Just received a new set of brochures from HP in the UK for AlphaF >>related products. I have to admit that someone has gone out of theirG >>way to ensure that it, at least, tries to send a strong message about  >>VMS. >  > J > Do you know any Sun or IBM customers who have received this, or are they# > just mailing it to VMS customers?n >  >  > H >>"and remember, HP OpenVMS is now a *strategic platform* (underlined inG >>original doc)" and "*OpenVMS is strategic* (large font page headline) G >>as an enterprise server platform for the new HP" No mention of VMS one9 >>low end Itanium systems (iMultia, Mutanium?...) though.a >  > : > No low-end? Where do people cut their teeth on VMS then? >  >  > E >>Lots of offers including 33% trade in against any Sun or IBM systems" >>for any new AlphaServer ordered. >  > H > Related to my 1st  question above - have any IBM or Sun shops actually > received these brochures?o >   + Would it make any difference if they had ??s   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:18:20 +0200V@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategico+ Message-ID: <3D9B2A5C.2090608@mail.tele.dk>t  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > John Smith wrote:eI >> Related to my 1st  question above - have any IBM or Sun shops actuallyb >> received these brochures? > - > Would it make any difference if they had ??I   Pretty dum question.  , How many posts have you read here asking for# more and broader marketing of VMS ?    Probably just a few hundred !.  ( So yes - it would please a lot of people) to hear that every IBM and SUN based shopn has gotten that brochure.h   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 07:45:10 -0600w- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!3 Message-ID: <szsT$8muZ0cs@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  q In article <20021001202916.11640.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:a > Bobi > - > Yes ! We have TCPIP (V5.0A) in the AS-1000. 6 > The LPD is configured but I am receiving the message7 > of LPD reject in my server. I created a local printer 3 > there to test. When I send the job, the file goesn0 > to the spool directory. But when I try to send# > to the LAT print I have problems:  >  > % > In my server I set up the LPR queue . > (rm:server2,rp:lat-printer) is this right  ? >   G    I set up UCX LPD queues over a decade ago.  I don't recall any greateH    difficulty, but I had already been setting up ULTRIX queues which UCX    choose to look like.   C    Sorry, but that's too long ago and I've been using Multinet evere7    since.  I'm sure someone else will be more helpfull.a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:45:06 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's5 Message-ID: <%RBm9.14272$H67.65742@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>a   That would be WindowstG The file originally resides on a share on VMS, and would be copied to a. Windows machine.   Thanks   --   SyltremeI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)A8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  I "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar> a crit dans le message de news:22 FU5m9.16861$ji3.17105@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...J > Who is serving the share that the file is being copied to?  Pathworks or
 > W95/98/WNT?  >p
 > Regards, > Tom/ >b7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messager1 > news:fK2m9.14057$H67.64770@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... F > > Since peecees's command language (DOS) is dumb and insufficient toK > > accomplish most tasks, and because I don't know (nor want to learn just  > thisK > > morning) VBscript or something akin, I was wondering if it was possible6 to, > > copy a VMS file to a PC share, from DCL.L > > From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS, very easily7 > > (COPY \\PC\SHARENAME\FILE.TXT \\VMS\SHARENAME\*.*).B' > > How about doing the same, from VMS?8 > >sH > > If it can be done, please give a reference to the manual where it is% > > explained, or the command syntax.mI > > I don't really know where to start looking (keywords to search in then > book`s > > index or the AskOpenVMS).  > >n
 > > Thanks > >  > > -- > >o > > SyltremgC > > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - ene	 franais)i< > > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address > >e > >a > >i >d >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:51:34 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's5 Message-ID: <3YBm9.14274$H67.65746@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>u   Hi  ? Advanced Server not only looks like PathWorks, IT IS PathWorks! 9 It's only its new name, like TCPIP Services replaced UCX.rH I tend to use old names... as a matter of fact, I still have the DigitalG hot-line phone number in my phone book but when I call, they now answeru "Welcome to the new hp" :-)   J I will not use Samba as we have Advanced Server installed and working just fine.aK I will have a look at FAL (haven't used it in ages) or maybe FTP - although L I hate having to hardcode passwords in procedures, or else leave no security on the link,   --   SyltremeI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  H "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> a crit dans le message de- news: 3D98EA15.D943C06C@firstdbasource.com...5 > Jack Peacock wrote:f > >t9 > > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message 3 > > news:fK2m9.14057$H67.64770@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...>+ > > > I was wondering if it was possible to . > > > copy a VMS file to a PC share, from DCL.G > > > From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS, veryh easily > > >eL > > Not very common but you might consider NFS shared directories instead of SMB J > > shares.  Take a look at Unix Services for Windows (it's fairly cheap). > >    Jack Peacocka >gG > How much cheaper than free can you get...  Samba works great,  but if D > you want to pay for something, look at Advanced Server for OpenVMS! > ...very similar to Pathworks :)t > --
 > Regards, >i8 > Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19849 > First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163 9 > Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com-G >                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmlo1 > 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile): >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:40:34 -0500, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's+ Message-ID: <anf9md$48l$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>:  L If you buy and run Microsoft's UNIX Services for Windows or another vendor'sK product, or download and install cygwin, your PC will be able to run an NFSaL server, which VMS should be able to treat as a VMS disk.  That might be more< of an imposition on your PC and your time than you care for.  F Most PCs can run an FTP server, which can obey commands from a VMS FTPK client if you want to configure and run an FTP server on your PC.  It's notiL hard, and can be done with software that comes with Windows.  You run an FTPL client utility program on your VMS system, and it can get directory listingsI and get and put files.  It's not as easy as a VMS $ COPY command, but the K utility is easy to learn, and you can create command files for it with DCL.   K You can also use Microsoft's proprietary SMB protocols, thanks to Samba, anyI open source implementation with good client and server code for UNIX, andvG varying quality code for other environments, including VMS.  Instead ofnK running an FTP server on your PC, you create a file share, which any PC canoJ map.  VMS can't map a Windows file share like Windows can, but Samba has aL client utility program that can get directory listings and put and get file.C Go to www.samba.org and find the VMS distribution.  You should find:K instructions how to build the client utility, and it's simple to run.  Once0L you figure out what commands to type at it, you will be able to write DCL to tell it what to do.s   Summary:  L NFS -- you run a UNIX environment for Windows on your PC (difficult), map itL on VMS (not difficult if you can install the NFS client), and use DCL $ COPY  and $ DIRECTORY commands (easy).  I FTP -- you run an FTP server on your PC (not difficult) and an FTP clientsJ utility program on VMS (not difficult, but not as easy as DCL $ COPY and $ DIRECTORY commands).  I SMB -- you create a file share on your PC (easy) and run the Samba client E for VMS (not difficult, but not as easy as DCL $ COPY and $ DIRECTORYe
 commands).  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541r scandora@cmt.anl.gov  5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message / news:fK2m9.14057$H67.64770@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...iD > Since peecees's command language (DOS) is dumb and insufficient toI > accomplish most tasks, and because I don't know (nor want to learn juste thisL > morning) VBscript or something akin, I was wondering if it was possible to* > copy a VMS file to a PC share, from DCL.J > From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS, very easily5 > (COPY \\PC\SHARENAME\FILE.TXT \\VMS\SHARENAME\*.*).:% > How about doing the same, from VMS?t > F > If it can be done, please give a reference to the manual where it is# > explained, or the command syntax.tG > I don't really know where to start looking (keywords to search in them book`s > index or the AskOpenVMS).  >t > Thanks >  > -- > 	 > SyltremaK > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)i: > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >c >  >e   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 03:36:02 -0700p) From: jbrankin@ntlworld.com (Jim Brankin)eY Subject: Re: Press Release  LEGATO Teams with HP To Release An Industry-First For Backup  = Message-ID: <863f19d6.0210020236.3a31cf7f@posting.google.com>r   Sue, t  D    Can you say when the Legato client for OpenVMS will be available.  ?    Can you expand a bit on what "HP will support customers who e*    select the new LEGATO solution" means.   
    Thanks    - Jim     g "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<amt21v$mko$1@web1.cup.hp.com>...b4 > It provides a free Ericom license for Linux users. >  > The Linux promotion link:m > : > http://h30010.www3.hp.com/promotions/redhat/bundles.html > B > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& > news:amsccf$b13$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > > O >  http://www.legato.com/corporate_info/pressroom/press.cfm?oid=0006E61D-C306-1, > > D90-886280CFAB3DFFFF > >  > >t > >rM > > LEGATO Teams with HP To Release An Industry-First For Backup And Recoveryp >  Of  > > OpenVMS ServersaJ > > OpenVMS Customers Who Select the LEGATO NetWorker Solution to Receive$ > > Direct Technical Support from HP > >  > >u > > I > > Mountain View, CA, September 24, 2002 - LEGATO Systems, Inc. (NASDAQ:a	 >  LGTO),tM > > a worldwide leader in enterprise content and storage management software,oM > > announces that it is teaming with HP to provide data protection solutions0J > > for HP AlphaServer systems running the OpenVMS operating system . As aK > > result, LEGATO will deliver NetWorker Storage Node and NetWorker Client1 >  forN > > OpenVMS, and HP will support customers who select the new LEGATO solution. > >eF > > Marking an industry first is the LEGATO NetWorker Storage Node for >  OpenVMS.fM > > With the Storage Node, backups of AlphaServer systems running OpenVMS andt@ > > OpenVMS Clusters will now be done directly to SCSI or shared >  fibre-attached-L > > backup devices in a heterogeneous environment. Until this time customersM > > could not deploy OpenVMS in a heterogeneous fibre-channel backup solutiongN > > and share those devices with other operating systems. They could only backK > > up over the network or be limited to an OpenVMS-specific solution. With F > > LEGATO NetWorker, management across a heterogeneous environment isK > > centralized on the NetWorker Server, running on UNIX, Windows or Linux.  > >eG > > "Today's announcement demonstrates LEGATO's commitment to providingv >  reliablesN > > backup and recovery solutions for HP OpenVMS customers. With HP's offer toL > > support their customers who prefer LEGATO NetWorker-based solutions overL > > their current backup solution, LEGATO is excited about the confidence HP >  hasM > > in LEGATO technology," said Richard Wendroff, vice president, HP Businesse > > Unit, LEGATO Systems.  > >lG > > The LEGATO solution also includes the NetWorker Client for OpenVMS,a
 >  backingH > > up Alpha or VAX servers over the network. These new LEGATO NetWorker
 >  optionsM > > for OpenVMS are part of a total heterogeneous data protection package for K > > enterprise customers requiring heterogeneous backup and recovery across  >  all > > platforms. > >cN > > "HP OpenVMS customers require industry-leading storage management solutionE > > options that support both direct attach and complex heterogeneous G > > fibre-based SAN environments," said Mark Gorham, vice president, HPa
 >  OpenVMSH > > Software Group. "We're pleased that our customers will have a robustM > > solution available to them from a reliable industry leader such as LEGATO G > > that can help reduce network traffic and improve overall backup andt >  recovery  > > performance."  > >  > > About Legato > >gJ > > LEGATO Systems, Inc. (NASDAQ:LGTO) delivers worldwide enterprise classK > > software solutions and services that keep the world's business-critical I > > information and applications available. With a direct sales force andSE > > through strategic partnerships and alliances, LEGATO delivers the  >  advantageJ > > of business continuance through enterprise automation with informationH > > protection, application availability as well as content, message and
 >  storageM > > management solutions. The company's corporate headquarters are located attJ > > 2350 West El Camino Real, Mountain View, CA 94040 (650) 210-7000, fax: >  (650)& > > 210-7032, Web site: www.LEGATO.com > >fL > > Information regarding products, services and offerings may be superseded >  byoG > > subsequent documents. For the latest information and specifications H > > regarding LEGATO Systems, Inc. and any of its offerings or services,	 >  please.B > > contact your local sales office or the Corporate Headquarters. > >c > >O > >i > >n > >i > >b   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:13:12 GMTD. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)Y Subject: Re: Press Release  LEGATO Teams with HP To Release An Industry-First For Backup d5 Message-ID: <cxAm9.115734$142.1489955@news.chello.at>r  i In article <863f19d6.0210020236.3a31cf7f@posting.google.com>, jbrankin@ntlworld.com (Jim Brankin) writes:  >Sue,   E I'm not Sue, but anyway I give my 0.02 and hope Sue will add hers ;-)s  E >   Can you say when the Legato client for OpenVMS will be available.a  F NOC (Legato NetWorker OpenVMS Client) is available for some years now:   	http://www.wumpusware.com  @ >   Can you expand a bit on what "HP will support customers who + >   select the new LEGATO solution" means. e  6 Dunno. Maybe they sell and maintain/support NOC now...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERb% Network and OpenVMS system specialisty E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:06:43 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG 2 Subject: Re: Result of search directly to a symbol0 Message-ID: <00A14D6A.BA03AFC3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ^ In article <OF0E44D471.BC9A457C-ON85256C45.0067BC3E@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > 5 >I have a flat file of <username><space><other-thing>  >G, >that I want to SEARCH by <username> and use > 7 >other_thing="''f$element(1," ",<search-result>")'" but+ >a0 >without writing a temporary file out of search. >t >Can I do this with PIPE?e >; >  > D >I can PIPE the search so my <matching-record> will be in SYS$INPUT, >)F >but how do I get that into a symbol to feed to the f$element lexical? >- >- >-( >Or am I on the wrong track, altogether? >0 >8 >  >-Norm >m >r   Norm,8  * Try these two links for some illumination:  ? http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/REMNODE_USING_PIPE_ONLY.COM;0E http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/REMNODE_USING_PIPE_AND_SYMBOL.COM;8   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             d5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:34:05 GMT % From: "-Andy-" <acs@fcgnet.works.net> 3 Subject: Seen on a sign at the HP booth at EDUCAUSEa> Message-ID: <Xns929B7555859E8acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  . [If you need to know what EDUCAUSE is go here:9 http://www.educause.edu/. (It's a combination of EDUCOM &d	 CAUSE) ] +  < The EDUCAUSE national(?)/US(?) conference is in Atlanta this= week and some kind person got me a pass to the vendor area (Ib= happened to be in Atlanta yesterday & 'we' have a booth therea8 (I think it's the only one with a truck in the middle of= it...) (All I had to do was wear a "company shirt" :-)) and I : spent a few minutes wandering around before heading to the	 airport.    8 HP has a fairly large booth (just like Sun & a few other8 hardware vendors)... on one side was a 'high performance< computing' display. No actual "high performance" hardware on; display but one of the signs caught my attention.... at eye. level it says:     -                   -o  
     	hp-ux    n     Tru64 Unix        OpenVMS       	linux E   -                   -e  = and there was some Alphaserver literature. (Sorry... I didn'to2 check out the SUN booth... for all I know they had Alphaserver literature also.)    -Andy-   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 02:50:30 -0700n6 From: jaq.vanrooijen@tiscalimail.nl (Hans van Rooijen)D Subject: Telnet to a consoleport of an openVMS using a DECserver 300= Message-ID: <2a3a3daf.0210020150.44d592f0@posting.google.com>   @ I configured a DECserver 300 with a IP address and port 1 of theF DECserver as a listnet port 2001. Port 1 of the DECserver is connected* to the console port of an openVMS machine.A When I make a connection from VMS machine (ucx4.2-4 / tcpip 5.0a)fD using the command: "telnet <ip address decserver> /port=2001", i get the USERNAME prompt.D When I fill in my username and press the enter key I get my usernameA echoed again. Then the password prompt follows. When I fill in myW9 password, then password is echoed character by character. C It looks the DECserver is echoing characters and when i press enter D then VMS machine is echoing the commands. When I use Refelections or4 telnet from Windows everything is working correctly.B I tried to disable the echoing of the DECserver but it won't work.7 Does someone had simular problems and know the answer??e Thanks.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:33:35 +0100* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> Subject: Trace Route.sM Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E97E@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>h  + I realise I'm probably just being thick buta  B Please could someone tell me what the equivalent VMS / UCX / TCPIP& Command is for the windows tracert is?   Thank you in advance   Andrew Robinsoni   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:52:40 +0100* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> Subject: Re: Trace Route. M Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E97F@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>u   >Andrew Robinson wrote:i >u. >> I realise I'm probably just being thick but >c/ >Yep, you're being thick :-)  (just joking ...)  >2 >>F >> Please could someone tell me what the equivalent VMS / UCX / TCPIP ) >> Command is for the windows tracert is?g >'# >$ traceroute :== $tcpip$traceroute  >f >or for older UCX: >)F >$ traceroute :== $ucx$examples:traceroute ! (if I remember correctly) > 
 >Roy Omond >Blue Bubble Ltd.t  K I have the answer now thank you, but why is this command not in the Help? Id wouldn't/ have had to ask such a dumb question otherwise.0   Puzzled    Andrew Robinson    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:40:37 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>g Subject: Re: Trace Route.O) Message-ID: <3D9ADB34.77624F95@Omond.net>k   Andrew Robinson wrote:  - > I realise I'm probably just being thick butr  . Yep, you're being thick :-)  (just joking ...)   > D > Please could someone tell me what the equivalent VMS / UCX / TCPIP( > Command is for the windows tracert is?  " $ traceroute :== $tcpip$traceroute   or for older UCX::  E $ traceroute :== $ucx$examples:traceroute ! (if I remember correctly)e  	 Roy Omond: Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:12:41 GMT-- From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr>r Subject: Re: Trace Route.H1 Message-ID: <ZoBm9.11$Al3.52276@news.cpqcorp.net>   7 "Andrew Robinson" <arobinson@hspg.com> wrote in message^G news:CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E97F@grumpy.internal.hspg.com...d > >Andrew Robinson wrote:e > > >0K > I have the answer now thank you, but why is this command not in the Help?c I0
 > wouldn't1 > have had to ask such a dumb question otherwise.j  7 Well, for Tcpip V5.x ,you should have in your login.comk$ $ @sys$startup:tcpip$define_commands and now you have available netstate ifconfig arpc	 sysconfigs
 traceroute nslookup ndc  ttcp (to test your bandwith)   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:35:31 +0100* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> Subject: RE: Trace Route..M Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E981@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>    <SNIP>  I > > I have the answer now thank you, but why is this command not in the =6  	 > > Help?m > Ib > > wouldn't3 > > have had to ask such a dumb question otherwise.i >=209 > Well, for Tcpip V5.x ,you should have in your login.comr& > $ @sys$startup:tcpip$define_commands > and now you have available	 > netstatn
 > ifconfig > arph > sysconfigq > traceroute
 > nslookup > ndcp > ttcp (to test your bandwith) >=20	 > Regards  >=20
 > G=E9rard >=20H I run this already, although for traceroute you don't need to, you can = runa it from the tcpip> prompt.I BUT it still doesn't help me if its not in the help, I (wrongly) assume =y that the command doesn't exist.   Andrew   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 05:28:27 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>n Subject: RE: Trace Route.e9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEHEFNAA.tom@kednos.com>   < It is not considered a native command (whatever that is:-) ) FREJA> tcpip TCPIP> help traceroute  
 TRACEROUTE  
      SYNOPSISu  E      traceroute [-A] [-a] [-c stoptime] [-f] [-g gateway] [-h server]nD      [-i initial_ttl] [-k] [-l] [-m max_ttl] [-N] [-n] [-p port] [-Q maxquit]I      [-q nqueries] [-r] [-S] [-s source_addr] [-t tos] [-v] [-w waittime]p host      [packetsize]i  E      The traceroute command displays the route that packets take to ar      network host.     >-----Original Message-----n2 >From: Andrew Robinson [mailto:arobinson@hspg.com]* >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:36 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: RE: Trace Route. >s >l ><SNIP>c > H >> > I have the answer now thank you, but why is this command not in the
 >> > Help? >> I
 >> > wouldn'tc4 >> > have had to ask such a dumb question otherwise. >>: >> Well, for Tcpip V5.x ,you should have in your login.com' >> $ @sys$startup:tcpip$define_commandsa >> and now you have available,
 >> netstat >> ifconfigw >> arp >> sysconfig
 >> traceroute  >> nslookupe >> ndc >> ttcp (to test your bandwith)I >>
 >> Regards >>	 >> Grardn >>K >I run this already, although for traceroute you don't need to, you can run  >it from the tcpip> prompt.eA >BUT it still doesn't help me if its not in the help, I (wrongly)h >assume that >the command doesn't exist.  >> >Andrewp >t >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.g; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).nA >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002e >n ----& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:49:19 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m Subject: Re: Trace Route.e, Message-ID: <3D9AEB3B.2009DCC4@videotron.ca>   Andrew Robinson wrote:D > Please could someone tell me what the equivalent VMS / UCX / TCPIP( > Command is for the windows tracert is?  / To do all sorts of fun TCPIP stuff, you should:c  " @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS  A This defines all sorts of "unix" commands , including traceroute.   
 You can then:n $traceroute www.sun.comc  N Inside of TCPIP> , if you type HELP, you will see many of these utilities with the help for them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:04:47 -0400b- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o Subject: Re: Trace Route.g, Message-ID: <3D9AEEDA.FACE0B79@videotron.ca>   Andrew Robinson wrote:  N > BUT it still doesn't help me if its not in the help, I (wrongly) assume that > the command doesn't exist.   $TCPIP TCPIP> HELPm  A And you'll see the help on traceroute as well as other utilities.   A Interestingly, TCPTRACE help is available from the $ sign though.-   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:13:25 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)l Subject: Re: Trace Route.e+ Message-ID: <anerdl$ogl$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>o  z In article <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E97E@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>, Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> writes:, >I realise I'm probably just being thick but >iC >Please could someone tell me what the equivalent VMS / UCX / TCPIPn' >Command is for the windows tracert is?p >y >Thank you in advancec >  >Andrew Robinson   For DEC TCPIP Services :-h   MCR TCPIP$TRACEROUTE   eg  ' Alpha2:mcr tcpip$traceroute 158.94.6.11-J traceroute to mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk (158.94.6.11): 1-30 hops, 38 byte packets8  1  158.94.2.1 (158.94.2.1)  0.977 ms  1.95 ms  0.977 ms\  2  mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk (158.94.6.11)  1.95 ms (ttl=64!)  1.95 ms (ttl=64!) 1.95 ms (ttl=64!)    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:03:28 +0100 (MET)-9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>0 Subject: Re: UAF Problem; Message-ID: <01KN6SNG76EQ9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>S  : > SYS$SYSTEM is a list logical of SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] and > SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].    
 Sort of.    ;    "SYS$SYSTEM" = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)b  G SYS$SYSROOT itself, on the other hand, is a search list which points to-F the TRANSLATION OF SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE] and SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].  TheG first definition is /TRANS=CONC and the second is not, so when you do acK DIR on SYS$SYSROOT:[DIR], you see SYS$SYSROOT and SYS$COMMON, thus when you 7 do a DIR on SYS$SYSTEM you see SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] andi SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].  > In other words, your original statement is true provided that @ SYS$SYSROOT means what DIR displays, i.e. the first item in the D SYS$SYSROOT search list.  Since SYS$SYSROOT is itself a search list G which includes SYS$COMMON, then your statement is not true if you mean E THIS definition of SYS$SYSROOT.s  E I would still like to know why the /TRAN=CONC is needed in the first -E translation but not the second.  In other words, I think it would be -A more logical for the SYS$SYSROOT and SYS$SYSTEM logicals to show tH SYS$SPECIFIC and SYS$COMMON as the entries, rather than SYS$SYSROOT and G SYS$COMMON.  Why?  Displaying SYS$SYSROOT for the first translation is  C confusing since in other contexts this is a search list which also  C includes SYS$COMMON, which is displayed for the second translation.a   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 06:10:48 -0700t. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: UAF Problem= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0210020510.3e401997@posting.google.com>t  { "Lorraine Profeta" <profetal@greaterbaynet.com@greaterbaynet.com> wrote in message news:<andat9$en1$1@news.chatlink.com>...- > Bob,A >        SYS$SYSTEM is a list logical of SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] andeE > SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].  If you set default to sys$system and look foraF > sysuaf.dat will see it, but you'll also see it if you look for it inG > sys$common:[sysexe].  Maybe this is wat you are seeing, but it's alsotN > possible that somebody wrote a new sysuaf to sys$sysroot:[sysexe] and you do > have two sysuaf.dat files. a  $ He *does* have two SYSUAF.DAT files.  ,  Besides looking at which file is newer withN > DIR/DATE you can run AUTHORIZE and see which sysuaf.dat is being accessesed.N > There are two ways to do this: (1) $ANALYZE/RMS SYSUAF.DAT    and if you getA > an error that means the file is locked.  or you can try (2) $SHaK > DEV/FILES/OUT=DEV.LIS   SYS$SYSTEM   to get a list of all the files beingrK > acessed on the disk.  Then you can search for sysuaf to see if it's being/L > accessed  $SEA DEV.LIS SYSUAF  ; the name of the program accessing it willM > be on the left hand of the string.  I told somebody about this technique onsM > yahoo.com group OpenVMS, and the system moderator liked it so much he wroteoJ > a DCL procedure to accomplish the taks; see the yahoo goup for the code.    C To see which version is being used by LOGINOUT.EXE, run the commandI  " $ SHOW LOGICAL/SYSTEM/FULL SYSUAF*  E If this command shows a logical name SYSUAF defined in EXECUTIVE mode F in the SYSTEM table, then that logical name points to the file used byB LOGINOUT.EXE. If there is no such logical name that is both in theD SYSTEM table and in EXECUTIVE mode, then it is the one listed first,F i.e., the one in SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE] (listed as SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]> in the directory listing), that is being used by LOGINOUT.EXE.  B As for what AUTHORIZE uses, run SHOW TRANSLATION SYSUAF. AUTHORIZEA will use the result of that command. If SYSUAF is undefined, then/< AUTHORIZE uses your default device and directory to look for SYSUAF.DAT.    > Dave > < > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:IZU$DNMO9gGh@eisner.encompasserve.org...3A > > In article <f936a854.0210010542.20f16bef@posting.google.com>,a- >  robert_kersey@bat.com (Rob Kersey) writes:w > > >u! > > > $ dir sys$system:sysuaf.datS > > >r$ > > > Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] > > >i > > > SYSUAF.DAT;1 > > >t > > > Total of 1 file. > > >e# > > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]- > > >e > > > SYSUAF.DAT;1 > > >t > > > Total of 1 file. > > >( > >dF > >    So you actually have 2 (count them: 2) UAF files.  Which one is? > >    authorize.exe using and which one is loginout.exe using?r > >    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 08:40:24 -0700h. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: UAF Problem= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0210020740.711260dd@posting.google.com>r  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KN6SNG76EQ9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...< > > SYS$SYSTEM is a list logical of SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] and > > SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].   >  > Sort of.   > = >    "SYS$SYSTEM" = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)n > I > SYS$SYSROOT itself, on the other hand, is a search list which points to.H > the TRANSLATION OF SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE] and SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].  The  2 Well, if you're going to go into that much detail:   $ slf sys$sysroota=    "SYS$SYSROOT" [exec] = "DSA0:[SYS0.]" [concealed,terminal]t (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)         = "SYS$COMMON:" F 1  "SYS$COMMON" [exec] = "DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.]" [concealed,terminal] (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  , There's no [SYSEXE] present in SYS$SYSROOT.   I > first definition is /TRANS=CONC and the second is not, so when you do aiM > DIR on SYS$SYSROOT:[DIR], you see SYS$SYSROOT and SYS$COMMON, thus when you 9 > do a DIR on SYS$SYSTEM you see SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] andw > SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]. > @ > In other words, your original statement is true provided that B > SYS$SYSROOT means what DIR displays, i.e. the first item in the F > SYS$SYSROOT search list.  Since SYS$SYSROOT is itself a search list I > which includes SYS$COMMON, then your statement is not true if you mean a! > THIS definition of SYS$SYSROOT.  > G > I would still like to know why the /TRAN=CONC is needed in the first yG > translation but not the second.  In other words, I think it would be pC > more logical for the SYS$SYSROOT and SYS$SYSTEM logicals to show aJ > SYS$SPECIFIC and SYS$COMMON as the entries, rather than SYS$SYSROOT and  > SYS$COMMON.   B Yes, it is confusing because SYS$SYSROOT means different things in@ different contexts. As part of program or command input, it is a= search list composed of (the translation of) SYS$SPECIFIC anduA (directly) SYS$COMMON. When appearing in DIRECTORY output and theh like, it means SYS$SPECIFIC.  D These two statements are not equivalent. You need /TRAN=CONC for the? first equivalence name so that when you use a logical name like 4 SYS$SYSTEM in a parse, you get SYS$SYSTEM instead of? SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE]. You don't need /TRAN=CONC for the second D because the second is SYS$COMMON which itself is concealed. In fact,> if you made both first level equivalence names concealed, thenE DIRECTORY would list all files as being under SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] inh? which case you would not be able to distinguish between the twoS> directories except by following the repeat of the alphabetical= sequence of the file names. And forget about DIRECTORY/TOTAL.   C Now, SYS$SYSROOT could still have been defined as in the following:g  9 $ DEFINE SYS$SYSROOT SYS$SPECIFIC:/TRAN=CONC, SYS$COMMON:o9                                  ^                      ^bE (For those who wish to experiment with variations of this at home, do-C NOT forget to include the trailing colons on the equivalence names!eF And use something like AEF$SYSROOT instead of SYS$SYSROOT to avoid theF chance of screwing up your process environment or of running the wrong file later.)  D which I would think would make everyone happy. However, the questionD then is: Why is it defined using [SYSn.] instead of SYS$SPECIFIC? InE the previous thread on this issue, one poster suggested that it mightDC be due to something in the boot process of older VAXes. But even ineC that case, it could be re-defined later in the startup, unless thatID were considered too risky for some reason. Or maybe it's a result ofF the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy. Or perhaps they justB don't have time to deal with this. "It works; I'm going home" :-).  C I think maybe it's time that someone "Ask the Wizard". Maybe he canIB help us with this question. And if someone does get answer, please< post it to the NG. Thanks. (While you're at it, also ask whyC [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR is SET FILE/ENTER-ed as [SYSn]SYSCOMMON.DIR.-@ Yes, this construct can be useful, but it's hard to see what the4 original motivation was and it is not without cost.)  < > Why?  Displaying SYS$SYSROOT for the first translation is E > confusing since in other contexts this is a search list which also aE > includes SYS$COMMON, which is displayed for the second translation.   F Agreed. It would be nice to see SYS$SPECIFIC instead of SYS$SYSROOT inB directory listings and the like. Lacking that, it would be nice to	 know why.S   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 12:36:25 -0600sB From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)? Subject: UCX POP Server, Was: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued 3 Message-ID: <B24lfsbnNW8t@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  X In article <3D9B239C.1080503@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >   L [Subject line change to let people know that we are not talking about WASD.]   >  > JF Mezei wrote:s+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:g >> ,? >>>A file protection glitch being able to overwrite any file ina@ >>>the system !! This isn't a security hole its a 6 lane tunnel. >> t >> sM >> In the case of the pop server thing, yes, it could technically overwrite a O >> file, but you couldn't really control the contents. It was just logfile dataeI >> that woudl be written. You couldn't send some executable to that file.x >>   > ? > Quite, so you have your database in a RMS file(s) and someoneh' > overwrites it/them with logfile data.) > : > Not quite damaging its the denial of service attack from > hell.i > 	 > Regardsr > Andrew Harrison  >   J Actually what happens is that a new version of the file is created. If youA try to specify a version of a file that exists, the create fails.   K It's still enough to render your system disk unbootable as well as do othercF "creative" things (especially if you have automatic purge routines run on a regular basis).   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:32:41 GMTt8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)' Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not booth2 Message-ID: <JHBm9.13$1y3.233557@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 In article <THom9.158444$H6.13180892@zwoll1.home.nl>,   Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  4 >I'm using a copied [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 CD-ROM]...   Why are you using a copy?,  N >... booting the CD it will go as far as reporting that the network interface J >is set to full duplex etc. After that I see some more activity, but then M >after a while the CD player doesn't do very much anymore. Only occasionally c- >I see the read led flash for a short moment.D >C& >... The VMS 7.3 CD has no problems...   Is the V7.3 CD a copy?/ Does an "original" (not a copy) V7.3-1 CD boot?    -- eI       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:29:58 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>a' Subject: RE: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not bootcT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A60@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Re: VMS V7.3-1 Cdrom booting ..   D Fwiw, I have copied the official Cdrom for V7.3-1 at least twice andD used them to boot and upgrade systems with no issues. I typically do6 this to keep my "master copy" safe from scratches etc.  F What type of copy utility did you use? I used std PC disk to disk copy utility.=20.  E What kind of disk adapter and system are you on? I have had issues inhA the past on older systems with SCSI timeout values in the console- impacting VMS boot CD's ..   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Solutions ArchitectT Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660g Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----D From: Charlie Hammond [mailto:"hammond@not"@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net]=20 Sent: October 2, 2002 8:33 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc' Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boots    8 In article <THom9.158444$H6.13180892@zwoll1.home.nl>,=20  Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  4 >I'm using a copied [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 CD-ROM]...   Why are you using a copy?   F >... booting the CD it will go as far as reporting that the network=20
 >interfaceD >is set to full duplex etc. After that I see some more activity, but then=20V? >after a while the CD player doesn't do very much anymore. Onlye occasionally=20a- >I see the read led flash for a short moment.s >s& >... The VMS 7.3 CD has no problems...   Is the V7.3 CD a copy?/ Does an "original" (not a copy) V7.3-1 CD boot?o   --=20nE       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FLr USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)>       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:40:32 +0200b From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>' Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not bootd5 Message-ID: <VjFm9.162136$H6.13370438@zwoll1.home.nl>S   Main, Kerry wrote:! > Re: VMS V7.3-1 Cdrom booting ..l > F > Fwiw, I have copied the official Cdrom for V7.3-1 at least twice andF > used them to boot and upgrade systems with no issues. I typically do8 > this to keep my "master copy" safe from scratches etc. > H > What type of copy utility did you use? I used std PC disk to disk copy > utility. i  O I used a standalone copy system. SCSI CD reader and CD writer in a bos, with a  M kind of SCSI plug-with-integrated-copier. Just press <copy> and wait for two o beeps telling it is ready.     > G > What kind of disk adapter and system are you on? I have had issues inoC > the past on older systems with SCSI timeout values in the consoleo > impacting VMS boot CD's ..  P PWS500au with Qlogic SCSI controller and 40 speed Toshiba CD-Rom. Should not be  a problem.....   > 	 > Regardsr >  > Kerry Main > Solutions Architecte > Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.# > Consulting & Integration Servicesm > Voice: 613-592-4660u > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com >  >  > -----Original Message-----D > From: Charlie Hammond [mailto:"hammond@not"@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net]  > Sent: October 2, 2002 8:33 AMV > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC) > Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not booti >  > 8 > In article <THom9.158444$H6.13180892@zwoll1.home.nl>, " > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: >  > 5 >>I'm using a copied [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 CD-ROM]...i >  >  > Why are you using a copy?  >  > E >>... booting the CD it will go as far as reporting that the network l >>interfacerE >>is set to full duplex etc. After that I see some more activity, buts >  > then   > @ >>after a while the CD player doesn't do very much anymore. Only >  > occasionally   > . >>I see the read led flash for a short moment. >>' >>... The VMS 7.3 CD has no problems...- >  >  > Is the V7.3 CD a copy?1 > Does an "original" (not a copy) V7.3-1 CD boot?e >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:35:27 GMTs7 From: Jay Olson <jay.olson@triton-software.com.no.spam>@' Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not booty: Message-ID: <3D9B2E5B.2080005@triton-software.com.no.spam>   Main, Kerry wrote:  >  I > I have had issues in the past on older systems with SCSI timeout values"  + > in the console impacting VMS boot CD's ..e >     @ Coul you elaborate on that a bit? I have a customer who has six D AlphaServer 800s, two in a cluster and four standalone. We recently E tried to upgrade to VMS 7.3 on all of theses systems. The standalone /G ones had no problem, but the VMS install CD crashed midway through the .H boot on the clustered system (it was a "halt instruction executed" type 
 of crash).   	- Jay Olson 	Triton Software Group LLC   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 09:07:17 -0700r( From: jwillis@arielusa.com (John Willis)< Subject: WANTED: VAX 11/750 in New Mexico, W. Texas, Arizona= Message-ID: <f9ca1551.0210020807.5de52e2b@posting.google.com>S  3 Wanted: VAX 11/750 in New Mexico, W. Texas, ArizonaP   Contact me via e-mail.   Thanks!,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:51:59 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyd* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued. Message-ID: <3D99B68F.5030902@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote: n > "rob@ NetCarrier" <rob@paychoice.com> wrote in message news:<9QZl9.367$tB6.107352107@news.netcarrier.net>... > L >>Well  With the last couple updates for Security  I've been waiting for Bob >>C's spin on this?  >>B >>                                                             Rob >> > C > what spin?  if you use wasd or webes shareware, this can and doesoF > happen ... it happens with apache and it happens w/ucx, although ucxA > was a file protection glitch ... since I use none of the above,p > I am batting 1000 still ...i  < A file protection glitch being able to overwrite any file in= the system !! This isn't a security hole its a 6 lane tunnel.r   Magnificent spin, keep it up.i   Regards  Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 07:25:07 -0400W- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued+ Message-ID: <3D9AD786.CC858B5@videotron.ca>i  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:> > A file protection glitch being able to overwrite any file in? > the system !! This isn't a security hole its a 6 lane tunnel.i  J In the case of the pop server thing, yes, it could technically overwrite aL file, but you couldn't really control the contents. It was just logfile dataF that woudl be written. You couldn't send some executable to that file.  & But I agree that it is quite damaging.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:02:01 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)o* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued+ Message-ID: <aneqo9$o4g$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>r  h In article <d7791aa1.0210011508.109feac5@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:s >Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message news:<20021001180413.19117.qmail@nym.alias.net>...a2 >> On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, <rob@netcarrier.net> wrote:G >> >> what spin?  if you use wasd or webes shareware, this can and doesnJ >> >> happen ... it happens with apache and it happens w/ucx, although ucxE >> >> was a file protection glitch ... since I use none of the above,l! >> >> I am batting 1000 still ...r >> > >> >O >> >    Ahh Yes I forgot you don't use any software created after 1988 and then ( >> >only if written in Dibol or Bliss :) >>  N >> Well, even though he is in my killfile, I've been waiting for Bob's spin onM >> this too. I also know there are a few others out there interesting in whati3 >> comments Captain InstantWhip could come up with.l >>  J >> Being "Site A" ( http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/293229 ) hasM >> been an interesting experience though. I'd really love to see the reactionnF >> from Bob if he'd got a mail from himself signed "Jean-Loup Gailly". >> y >> Doc.a >oE >wasd is free ... what are you complaining about ... you get what you 	 >pay for!e  K As is OSU and Apache. I think Microsoft still sell IIS though and of course4" that never has any security holes.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:49:32 +0100d' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancys* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued. Message-ID: <3D9B239C.1080503@nospamn.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:c* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > > >>A file protection glitch being able to overwrite any file in? >>the system !! This isn't a security hole its a 6 lane tunnel.e >  > L > In the case of the pop server thing, yes, it could technically overwrite aN > file, but you couldn't really control the contents. It was just logfile dataH > that woudl be written. You couldn't send some executable to that file. >   = Quite, so you have your database in a RMS file(s) and someone % overwrites it/them with logfile data.h  8 Not quite damaging its the denial of service attack from hell.t   RegardsS Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:04:53 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> * Subject: RE: WASD Security Advisory Issued9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEIAFNAA.tom@kednos.com>n  6 Related question, might it not be a good idea to set a9 limit on the size of logfiles?  I had such a problem withM the hgftp log file   >-----Original Message----- ( >From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy/ >[mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]-* >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:50 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ >Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issuedi >t >t >  >b >JF Mezei wrote:+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:c >> F? >>>A file protection glitch being able to overwrite any file int@ >>>the system !! This isn't a security hole its a 6 lane tunnel. >> g >> GB >> In the case of the pop server thing, yes, it could technically  >overwrite aC >> file, but you couldn't really control the contents. It was just  
 >logfile data I >> that woudl be written. You couldn't send some executable to that file.i >> c >>> >Quite, so you have your database in a RMS file(s) and someone& >overwrites it/them with logfile data. > 9 >Not quite damaging its the denial of service attack from- >hell. >r >Regards >Andrew Harrison >k >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.o; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).iA >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002n >p --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:49:14 +0000 (UTC)* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)8 Subject: Why slow system when using logical search list?0 Message-ID: <anfbiq$4qc$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  O Hi, I have a performance question that make take some insider knowledge of RMS.SK It was quite a puzzler.  First, my config: OpenVMS AXP V7.1-2 on DECstationa 3000 model 300, Fortran V7.2.s  K Background (short version): A disk went bad, so we moved our data sets to atO spare disk on another system in the same room, and accessed them using Decnet.  O The requesting system (umstep) took a huge performance hit, using only 30% userrK mode time instead of a more typical 60%-80%, and kernel and interrupt modesiL went to 35% and 30%, respectively, and consistently, too.  This was the only program running on the system.  K Here's what I found about the problem.  When using a logical name to open anG file (as in SDFDIR:filename), if the logical name is a search list that N contains a remote node name and disk/directory on the remote system as well asM a local disk/directory, a lot of time is spent in kernel mode and the programUK slows to a crawl.  If the logical name is changed to be *solely* the remote L node, disk, and directory, with *no* local  parts (ie, not a search list but7 still remote access), the program speeds up noticeably.T  N To demonstrate this, I wrote a short test program that would do nothing exceptM open a file on the remote system, read its entire contents, and close it, the L proceed to the next file and repeat the process.  Nothing else.  I specifiedM SDFDIR:filename as the file to open, where filename is generated internally.  J With SDFDIR defined as SAMPEX::$SDF:[SDF}, it went through at the expected> pace, taking about 7-8 secs per file.  With SDFDIR defined as H SAMPEX::$SDF:[SDF],$STEP_DATA:[DWYER.SDF],$STEP:[DWYER.STEP.DATA] (whereK $STEP_DATA: and $STEP: are local disks) the program took 45 secs per file. o% This is almost a factor of 6 slower. y  K I advised the user the change the logical name specification to improve theeL application speed.  However, tptb (the powers that be) will not be satisfiedB with this; they'll ask me why at next week's meeting (or earlier).  H Does anyone know of a reason why this should occur?  Is there some magicN happening within RMS, some optimization, that is defeated by a search list, or some esoteric like that?   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu5   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 07:53:04 -0000j= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>q' Subject: [OT] Fix your Outlook Express.r5 Message-ID: <20021002075304.1537.qmail@nym.alias.net>r  I For those of you using Outlook Express to handle your news you might want:  to take a look at the following:  1 http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/g     Doc. -- E6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netb   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.544 ************************