1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 03 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 545       Contents:0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium 1 Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium  Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters RE: External Authentication * FA: Vintage 1981 Systems & Options Summary
 Re: FDL Files E RE: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue P Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te& Global pages used by a specific image?7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! B http://developer.openvms.hp.com/developer/sprParade/top25sprs.html2 Re: http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/I Re: Java 1.3.1. Failing to run a program trying to access an Ingres dbase  Re: LAT terminal server  RE: LAT terminal server : Log file retention (was RE: WASD Security Advisory Issued) Re: Marketing suggestion Max memory in AlpSta 200 4/233" Re: Max memory in AlpSta 200 4/233B Mini-Merges (was Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?)B Mini-Merges (was Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?)F Re: Mini-Merges (was Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?)F Re: Mini-Merges (was Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?)@ Re: My VMS Webserver book is available - missing acknowledgments( NDM -Connect-Direct slow compared to FTP	 netscape? 
 Re: netscape? 
 Re: netscape? 6 Network question - How to ensure a unique MAC address?: Re: Network question - How to ensure a unique MAC address?: Re: Network question - How to ensure a unique MAC address? OpenView on OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! ) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! 4 Re: Seeking Senior VMS System Administrator Position? Re: Telnet to a consoleport of an openVMS using a DECserver 300  Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boot RE: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boot! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued ! Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued 3 Re: Why slow system when using logical search list? " Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?P RE: [security bulletin] SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server local vulnerabiP RE: [security bulletin] SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server local vulnerabi  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:11:22 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D9B36CA.7050909@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  5 > "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message 4 > news:3o9jpucr6q31sasb9h5jj45r16d4gpk4mn@4ax.com...D >>One's need to eat - and support a family - can make one do strange >>things, though.     K > You seem to have missed the less-than-subtle distinction between "need to G > eat" and "desire to obtain an exclusive, high-paying job whose stated N > requirements you don't meet, rather than some slightly lower-paying position= > that would still place you in the top 10% of wage-earners".     , Out of curiosity: do we know that the job in4 question explicit stated a law degree was required ?   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:10:48 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... ? Message-ID: <I9Km9.20656$bY5.83460@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   3 "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message 2 news:4cqlpu4r6l4kogkv5sbdpn9pcsoujbeb94@4ax.com...H > On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:36:30 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote: >  > > 6 > >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message5 > >news:3o9jpucr6q31sasb9h5jj45r16d4gpk4mn@4ax.com...    ...   F > >> If someone can't do the job they've been hired to do, then by allH > >> means, take them out of that job.  However, if they can perform allE > >> that's required of them, no piece of paper should mean more than  > >> actual ability. > > J > >In the capitalistic world I'm familiar with, it's the employer who gets to@ > >make that determination (whether or not it's a sensible one). > >  > ? > Well, sure.  I don't think I've ever said anything different.   K Suggesting that it's OK to lie to the employer to remove his/her ability to ' make that choice would seem to qualify.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:19:28 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... A Message-ID: <QhKm9.85869$q42.3001144@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:NOEm9.30$EJ3.526448@news.cpqcorp.net...   ...   K > One day you may have some Zen-like breakthrough and be able to see things 2 > from someone elses eyes - but I highly doubt it.  K Actually, I find it very easy to see situations from others' viewpoints.  I I just frequently disagree with those viewpoints, because they're biased as F hell and their holders are often resolutely rigid in maintaining those biases.   L Objectivity is an acquired discipline, Fred, not something one is born with.K And acquiring it seems to get harder as one gets older, so I don't have too % much hope for most of our generation.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 14:54:25 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <uQEwZyL0IYXw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <Xpsm9.3666$dp1.7530@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:  > < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:JWkfYy1brMdb@eisner.encompasserve.org... = >> In article <alqe7e$kta$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" ) > <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:    >> >, >> > Please visit the Symposium web site at:- >> > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/  >>A >> Has anyone outside HP successfully registered for this event ?  >>H >> I sent email to the designated address last Friday and have not heard >> anything back.  > L > Don't expect to hear anything until the Last Picture Show, er HPETS2002. IK > got taken to the woodshed and spanked royally for mentioning the November  > event.  G Conspiracy theories aside, I telephoned the number given and after some G fussing around they could not figure out who owned the id hpregistrar1. & I was told to retransmit my request to  " 		hpregistrar6@registration@hp.com  * As the saying goes, your mileage may vary.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 15:13:50 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <I8LpwMtmqtPe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <uQEwZyL0IYXw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: q > In article <Xpsm9.3666$dp1.7530@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:  >>  = >> "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message 0 >> news:JWkfYy1brMdb@eisner.encompasserve.org...> >>> In article <alqe7e$kta$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski"* >> <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes: >  >>> > - >>> > Please visit the Symposium web site at: . >>> > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/symposium/ >>> B >>> Has anyone outside HP successfully registered for this event ? >>> I >>> I sent email to the designated address last Friday and have not heard  >>> anything back. >>  M >> Don't expect to hear anything until the Last Picture Show, er HPETS2002. I L >> got taken to the woodshed and spanked royally for mentioning the November	 >> event.  > I > Conspiracy theories aside, I telephoned the number given and after some I > fussing around they could not figure out who owned the id hpregistrar1. ( > I was told to retransmit my request to > $ > 		hpregistrar6@registration@hp.com! Whoops, my typo.  That should be: #  		hpregistrar6@registration.hp.com  > , > As the saying goes, your mileage may vary.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 16:27:11 -0600 ; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) : Subject: Re: Announcing the first annual OpenVMS Symposium3 Message-ID: <0iEejsyTvmWv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3D8275DF.179DCD21@NelsonUSA.com>, Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> writes:; > 2. Fly to Manchester (do those flights go through Logan?)   G more than once on my way to a west coast DECUS I was on a flight with a E bunch of VMS engineers into or out of Chicago. There are flights from D manchester to Chicago, and Chicago is a MAJOR hub for anywhere else.  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  I         You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a C         reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about I         repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the 7         struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard     ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 13:14:52 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0210021214.72ba0310@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D8B74F0.9AB22056@videotron.ca>...  > "Main, Kerry" wrote:9 > > The issue of 3 sites is not specifically a VMS thing.  > > I > > The issue is that if A or B suddenly don't agree on who is in charge, / > > someone has to referee and make a decision.  > L > I don't have a foolproof solution. I was merely suggesting that with VMS'sM > expertise in clustering, it would be very nice to find some method to allow O > lower end clusters to functions with only 2 sites which would give VMS a vast 0 > advance/advantage over other cluster wannabes.  F MC/Service Guard clusters on HP-UX have one solution to this problem. B A software package called Quorum Server runs on any system (even a< member of a completely different cluster) at a 3rd site.  ItC effectively presents an interface to a virtual Cluster Lock Disk in < its memory (analogous to a Quorum Disk in OpenVMS Clusters).  E One Quorum Server process can serve up to 50 different clusters, or a E maximum of 100 cluster nodes total.  Since the Quorum Server talks to @ the cluster members over the IP network, rather than the bridged@ network (or "single subnet" in IP terms, with no routers allowed> between nodes) that both OpenVMS Clusters and MC/Service Guard? clusters require, it can be located essentially anywhere on the & customer's network that is convenient.  M > Remember that Microsoft will have no problems marketing a disaster tolerant K > wintel solution that needs only 2 sites. (even if it doesn't quite work).   @ Microsoft's approach to disaster-tolerant clusters is documented! fairly well in the white paper at S http://www.microsoft.com/windows.netserver/docs/GeographicallyDispersedClusters.doc   " They don't have an answer, either:  F "Neither site can decide to continue without manual intervention sinceB neither has enough information to know whether the other site willB continue or not. Different vendors solve this problem in different: ways; however, they all require some form of administrator3 intervention to select which site should continue."    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 14:13:26 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0210021313.4ea22734@posting.google.com>   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KMUIPIXVQQ9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...J > I was assuming that anyone who could afford two buildings with a lot of I > hardware in each could also afford a third with just one small machine  
 > in it.  :-|   > The major impediment in practice is not the buildings, but the inter-site links.   C Paying for TelCo vendor data circuits (particuarly at the high data E rates required between sites for timely shadow copies) is expensive.  @ And for redundancy, you really need two (diversely routed) linksA (preferably from different vendors) between your two main sites.  @ Often it has been a big hurdle to get folks to pay for just one.  C Adding a 3rd site means adding two more inter-site links (from that A 3rd site to each of the primary sites).  Bandwidth of at least 10 F megabits is required by the Cluster Software SPD, so T1 (1.5 megabits); links can't be used, much less Fractional-T1 or inexpensive D frame-relay (256 or 56 kbit) links.  You may be able to save some byC using the links to the 3rd site to provide redundancy in place of a C second link between the main sites, but that means the links to the # 3rd site have to be big pipes, too.   C Getting right-of-way to string or bury your own fiber is difficult, E particularly for the distances needed to avoid hazards common to both  sites.  B In large metropolitan areas where dark fiber is readily available,E costs can be much more reasonable, but elsewhere, it's a big problem.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 14:24:17 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0210021324.377ebec4@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D8F5F40.72A0F921@videotron.ca>... N > When I did the disaster recovery for a SWIFT system at a bank, I was allowed> > to use 2 of the 24 fibres that the bank had been able to lay  E The good news today is that, given those 2 fibres, you could use Wave D Division Multiplexing (WDM): Coarse for 16 or so channels (I've evenD seen one small WDM product that is _entirely passive_ -- light comesC in, light comes out, with no active components or power supply), or F Dense WDM for as many as 64 to 80 channels over that same fibre pair. D That would give you more Fibre Channel and Gigabit Ethernet channels than could find a use for.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:14:01 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> $ Subject: RE: External AuthenticationT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A66@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   James,   Reference: (one url will wrap)F http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731FINAL/6346/6346PRO.HTM#a654441737   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom     -----Original Message-----, From: James T Horn [mailto:horn@shsu.edu]=20 Sent: October 2, 2002 11:20 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ Subject: Re: External Authentication    1 Does this work with Win2000 and Active Directory?   8 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message/ news:<at$umegheyjT@eisner.encompasserve.org>... @ > In article <3D94EF4C.82867DB@bellsouth.net>, Shael Richmond=20  > <ksrich@bellsouth.net> writes: > >=20 > > Rick Barry wrote:  > >>=20 H > >> External authentication requires an Advanced Server installation on  F > >> at least one node of the cluster, running the "logon" service.=20G > >> Advanced Server is the communication channel into the Microsoft=20 C > >> user domain database and services the actual authentication=20 H > >> requests or passes them off to a Domain Controller elsewhere on the  
 > >> network.  > >>=20  > >=20? > > So is there another way to do this without Advanced Server?  >=20; > No, because the required code comes with Advanced Server.  >=20E > But installing Advanced Server is not the same thing as buying a=20 G > license for Advanced Server.  The last I knew the part of Advanced=20 G > Server that is used for external authentication runs with just the=20  > regular VMS license.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:37:41 -04002 From: "Homer J Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com>3 Subject: FA: Vintage 1981 Systems & Options Summary ? Message-ID: <Y_Nm9.8423$YK4.833109@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>   ; 780, 750, Unibus, Massbus, etc.  Plus 1981 Site Prep Guide. = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2059207717    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:08:00 +0530# From: "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com>  Subject: Re: FDL Files/ Message-ID: <upni9t8m66jrda@corp.supernews.com>   / I am working with some ancient code on OpenVMS.   H The code is basically in C but  for report writing and displaying on the0 screen we some formatting done with help of .FDL   files.  L Now.....I am not getting the basic idea how this fomatting is done using the
 FDL files.   SFORM   Node Report          TYPE    SCROLLABLE+         CENTER_TITLE    Node Summary Report          CARGO   CCCG_rpt_node &         HDCPY_CARGO     CCCG_rptH_node&         STATUS_BAR      Cluster Status         LEFT_TITLE      RNLIST         HDCPY_MNEMONIC  CRNLIST 2         DEFAULT_MESSAGE_INDEX   UIMSGS_EXIT_DETAIL+         HDCPY_CENTER_TITLE      Node Report "         HDCPY_SUBTITLE_1        %s"         HDCPY_SUBTITLE_2        %s         HS1PRINTF       STITLE         HS2PRINTF       STIME            ADD_TEXT -I                Rel Wkl Resp  ---CPU Statistics----   Mem   Pg Flt  Device          HEADING_FORMAT -D  ;              ;       ;    ;      ;        ;      ;       ;      ;         column_format - D  ;           ;       ;       ;       ;      ;       ;      ;       ;           HDCPY_ADD_TEXT -  I I was just wondering if I could get some basic help on FDL file. so as to . easy my process of learning the  above format.   Thanks in Advance  Vivek       D Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> wrote in message) news:3D9B0719.125A07DC@eps.zko.dec.com...  >  >  > Vivek Soni wrote:  > , > > Is there any documentation of FDL files. > $ > Start with the VMS guide to files,@ > Next the OpenVMS Record Management Utilitues Reference Manual./ > FInally, if need be the RMS reference Manual.  >  > > 7 > > How do these files help in reprot writing..........  > >  > * > [Assuming reprot was ment to be report.]- > I don't know. They might or might not help.  > G > FDL have no function writing reports in their own right, but they can D > help re-organize an (indexed) file to make reports more efficient.D > They for example  can be used to add KEYs and change bucket sizes. > J > But they don't help writting reports. Thats a job for Perl, C progggies, > E > Cobol programs, Datatrieve scripts, and a slew of 4-gl power tools.  > @ > You would need top be a lot more clear about the exact problem/ > you are trying to sole to get more melp here.  >  > >  > 	 > Cheers,  > Hein >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 21:10:11 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>N Subject: RE: Formal security advisory now issued for POP server security issue6 Message-ID: <20021002211011.10049.qmail@nym.alias.net>  8 On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:9 >Since I couldn't access the site does this also apply to 
 >TCPIP5.1?  H Sorry I don't know, what looks like the full text of the advisory can be seen on Bugtraq.  0 http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/293709  H This site seems *really* slow, and I haven't got this message through my% subscription to the mailing list yet.      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 16:38:41 -0600 ; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Y Subject: Re: From Mark Gorham - Clarification - OpenVMS Symposium AKA OpenVMS Advanced Te 3 Message-ID: <95du51T4nivG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <amam0k$4a6di$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de>, "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com> writes: N > This sounds like a really great event. My problem is that it is scheduled toH > close to HP ETS and my company will not send me to two events so closeM > together. If this symposium were in March to May time frame I would be able  > to swing both.  J An excellent point. Our travel and training budget never lasts through theJ end of the year. Scheduling events earlier in the year almost always works	 better...   1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  I         You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a C         reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about I         repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the 7         struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard     ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 21:13:36 -0700 ' From: roose_chua@yahoo.com (Roose Chua) / Subject: Global pages used by a specific image? = Message-ID: <127ddcff.0210022013.66e6e155@posting.google.com>   D Hi! I am not sure if this would be a simple task, but is there a wayD to check how much global pages is used by a specific process by justC using DCL/Lexicals? Also, I was trying to check the total number of A global pages used in the system and when I tried to do an Install 5 list/global/summary, I got an output similar to this:   )         Summary of Memory Global Sections   ;     490 Global Sections Used,  114592/85728 Global Pagelets  Used/Unused   C I am just confused a bit here, since it showed Global Pagelets, and > not pages. How would I convert this to pages since most of the@ applications I am going to install specifies it in Pages and not	 Pagelets?   , I am using an Alpha server with OpenVMS 7.3.   Thanks in advance,
 Roose Chua   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:37:46 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> @ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!2 Message-ID: <eWHm9.47$gM3.594020@news.cpqcorp.net>  2 Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message% <3D9B1800.8060504@nospamn.sun.com>...  >  >  >Bill Todd wrote: 8 >> "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message: >> news:d7791aa1.0210011205.7b7dca00@posting.google.com... >>! >>>it is found here ... so relax!  >>> E >>>http://searchhp.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid6_gci854116,00.html  >> >>J >> Indeed.  I particularly liked the sentence about migrating from PA-RISC toL >> Itanic:  "That's why our competitors would like to call it a migration or a E >> disruption, but I challenge them to show me one customer who had a 	 difficult J >> transition" - when I suspect it would at this time be difficult to find one = >> customer who had migrated at all in any significant sense.  >> > 9 >It would be pretty remarkable if any major customers had D >done a serious migration to Itanium, you need Itanium II to support9 >HP-UX and unless HP have invented a working time machine ; >or in the new climate payed someone to invent one for them  >its a practical impossibility.  >   I HP-UX runs on Itanium-1.  Customers/ISV's may have chosen to do migration  using that platform.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 01:34:22 GMT 1 From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@julian5locals.com> K Subject: http://developer.openvms.hp.com/developer/sprParade/top25sprs.html D Message-ID: <y8Nm9.5721$lV3.542742@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   How about one  of these:  H         http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/top25rfes.html   for VMS?     --   C.W.Holeman II< cwhii5@Julian5Locals.com                http://also.as/cwhii remove the fives# Send spam to junkmail@earthlink.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:55:21 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz ; Subject: Re: http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/ & Message-ID: <3d9b9510.1895021006@news>  1 On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:30:47 +0200, Thomas Schick  <schick.thomas@gmx.net> wrote:  $ >does anyone know what happened with: >http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/version.htm >Regards >Thomas  >  Thomas,   B This and a couple of other Web Pages disappeared for a day or two.D I logged a call with the Aussie contingent of "the newHP" on Friday,# since then the pages have returned,    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 04:21:46 GMT   From: "Tom M" <kryios@attbi.com>R Subject: Re: Java 1.3.1. Failing to run a program trying to access an Ingres dbase, Message-ID: <uBPm9.16084$PP.21357@rwcrnsc53>  G If you have the CA JDBC server running on some node and are using their K JDBC driver, you should be able to access it with code that looks something 
 like this:   Connection connection;  ? try { Class.forName("ca.edbc.jdbc.EdbcDriver").newInstance(); } $ catch (ClassNotFoundException e1) {}$ catch (IllegalAccessException e2) {}$ catch (InstantiationException e3) {}  L try{connection=DriverManager.getConnection("jdbc:edbc://node:port/database", username,password);} catch (SecurityException e1) {}  catch (SQLException e2) {}  L where node is the node that is running the JDBC server (TCPIP name/address),I port is the JDBC port (II1), and database is the name of the database you  want to connect to.   J The CA JDBC server doesn't run under VMS yet, so we have one configured onI an NT box that accesses the database on the Alpha through IngresNet.  You < can pick up the JDBC driver (edbc.jar) from the CA web site.    = "Andrew Scott" <andrew.g.scott@ntlworld.com> wrote in message 7 news:ac8de108.0210020817.4a8ae25d@posting.google.com... H > I wrote a very quick and dirty program to test out access to an IngresG > II dbase. Under Java 1.1.8 I get the error "no suitable driver found" D > which I guess means that ODBC hasn't been installed on the server. > - > However, under Java 1.3.1, I get this error  >  > E > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: allocEnv G >         at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbc.SQLAllocEnv(JdbcOdbc.java, Compiled  > Code) I >         at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver.initialize(JdbcOdbcDriver.java,  > Compiled Code)F >         at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver.connect(JdbcOdbcDriver.java, > Compiled Code)E >         at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java,  > Compiled Code)E >         at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java,  > Compiled Code)6 >         at MOSSDEV.main(MOSSDEV.java, Compiled Code) >  > Mmmm? Any ideas? >  > - > Here's the relevant portion of the program:  >  >  > public class MOSSDEV > {  > , >     public static void main(String[] args) >     { : >         //Sets up all the parameters for connections etc= >         String jdbcDriver = "sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver";  > / >         String protocolHeader = "jdbc:odbc:"; ( >         String dbName = "yy::mossdev"; >         String user = "";  >         String password = ""; > >         System.out.println("***Solution being executed***");
 >         try  >         { ! >           // Load in the driver & >           Class.forName(jdbcDriver);3 >           System.out.println("...Driver loaded");  >           // Get a connection  >           Connection cn = C >                DriverManager.getConnection(protocolHeader+dbName,  > user, password);< >           System.out.println("...Connection established"); >          //Create a query 3 >           Statement query = cn.createStatement(); 7 >           System.out.println("...Statement created");    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:34:08 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>   Subject: Re: LAT terminal server$ Message-ID: <3d9b3c6f$1@news.si.com>  H >I have heard that HP discontinued the DEC-HUB, DEC terminal server, DEC >concentrator and so forth.   I These items are readily available in the used equipment market.  Why look  for a vendor of new ones?  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:41:12 -0400/ From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com>   Subject: RE: LAT terminal server; Message-ID: <001101c26a43$499ca170$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>   ' well if its 90l's you want let me know   and DECHUBs too !    even 200's and 300's !!!!    Hank Vander Waal   / VMS - is there anything that DARES to compare?? ! Unix  - for hackers - by hackers!  You get what you pay for !   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 20:57:01 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>C Subject: Log file retention (was RE: WASD Security Advisory Issued) 6 Message-ID: <20021002205701.13801.qmail@nym.alias.net>  8 On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  7 >Related question, might it not be a good idea to set a : >limit on the size of logfiles?  I had such a problem with >the hgftp log file   4 Hmmm. I use HGFTP here, and I never thought of that.  I From a quick look I can't see any way to close the log and open a new one I short of killing the process and restarting it. [Doc calling Hunter! :-)]   E One thing to remember with logs is that it isn't always the number of H versions you want to keep, but the duration you wish to keep them for. II set a policy with VMSbox of keeping logs for 7 days. I can't enforce that G to the point of having precisely f$time() minus 7*24 hours, but I could B have seven versions of the logfile, and open a new one once a day. Unfortunately,  . $ SET FILE/VERSION_LIMIT=7/ERASE <logfilename>  ) (a) Doesn't work if the log file is open.   H (b) Doesn't keep 7 days of logs if I'm forced to restart the service for another reason.   7 My solution was a nightly job which does the following:   , $ retain        = f$cvtime("-7-","ABSOLUTE") $!1 $ DELETE/ERASE <logfilename>;*/BEFORE="''retain'"   . This also came in handy with WASD as I can do,  B $ DELETE/ERASE HT_LOGS:VMSBOX_80_*_ACCESS.LOG;*/BEFORE="''retain'"  < and the files with the timestamp in the name are cleaned up.  D Unfortunately, (and IIRC) a reboot causes OPERATOR.LOG to be purged.     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 16:54:15 -0600 ; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) ! Subject: Re: Marketing suggestion 3 Message-ID: <rMrc02icgGnm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <amn560$6qd$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:N > ok here is a nasty thought.  Person puts VMS cd in a PC crashes PC and comes  L I have several CDs like this already. They are labeled "Windows 95", Windows 98", "Windows 2000", etc.   1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  I         You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a C         reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about I         repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the 7         struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard     ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:20:57 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org' Subject: Max memory in AlpSta 200 4/233 ) Message-ID: <02100214205778@antinode.org>   D    This may be old news, but I thought I'd report success with 128MB SIMMs in my AlpSta 200 4/233:    alp $ sho mem /phys @               System Memory Resources on  2-OCT-2002 14:25:13.59  L Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedL   Main Memory (768.00Mb)           98304       40448       52043        5813  D    I'm using (six) HP D4893A (D4893-69001, 1818-6662), and nothing's? caught fire after several hours.  No doubt CSWB/Mozilla will be  lightning-fast now.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)k   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:14:09 GMTU From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG + Subject: Re: Max memory in AlpSta 200 4/233p0 Message-ID: <00A14DBF.95DD6CA8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  B In article <02100214205778@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:E >   This may be old news, but I thought I'd report success with 128MBi >SIMMs in my AlpSta 200 4/233: >n >alp $ sho mem /physA >              System Memory Resources on  2-OCT-2002 14:25:13.59l >cM >Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    Modified-M >  Main Memory (768.00Mb)           98304       40448       52043        5813y   It's old news.    E >   I'm using (six) HP D4893A (D4893-69001, 1818-6662), and nothing'sr@ >caught fire after several hours.  No doubt CSWB/Mozilla will be >lightning-fast now.  C Only if you've injested some psychotropic hallucinogenic drugs thats+ will alter your perception of time passing.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            u5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" y   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 12:38:57 -0700f1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)iK Subject: Mini-Merges (was Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?)n= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0210021138.386acd74@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D8FB641.78B15EE6@fsi.net>...I > O.k. You've piqued my interest: under what circumstances would a reboote > not create a situation where > % > > the context needed for mini-mergee > > has been destroyed >  > ?u  F A crash (whether the node reboots or not doesn't matter) of a node, orC anything (like a power failure or halt) that causes it to leave thesD cluster unexpectedly while it has a shadowset mounted introduces the= need for a shadow merge operation (of either the Full or MinitF varieties), since the now-departed node might have completed writes to@ one member but not the other(s) just before it left the cluster.  A At that point, whether or not a mini-merge can be done depends on : whether or not we know what writes were in progress on theB now-departed node just before it crashed.  (Obviously, all contextB that was in memory on that node is useless to us; the node may notF have even have been healthy enough at the time of the failure to write? a crash dump file.)  We get this context, if possible, from thet controllers.  F If the controllers support Volume Shadowing Assists, they track nodes'A writes to the shadowset members using Write History Log entries.  E After a node leaves the cluster unexpectedly, the surviving nodes canjD query the controllers and find out the contents of the write historyD log entries from the now-departed node.  Since we know what specificC areas were being written to by the departed node, we can merge just91 those small pieces, which takes very little time.   D If we don't have this context, we have to do a full merge, comparingF the entire contents of all the shadowset members.  Possible reasons we4 might not have the context for a mini-merge include:C 1) The disk controllers in use don't support it -- at this point in,8 time only MSCP controllers, HSJ/HSD, support mini-mergesA 2) We don't retrieve the context in time, and it gets overwrittencD (sometimes folks have insufficient SHADOW_MAX_COPY values and by theB time a shadow merge thread is allowed to run for a given unit, the7 write history logs have been overwritten and thus lost)lF 3) The shadowset is a system disk and there are dump files still on itC which haven't been moved off the system disk using the DOSD featurec   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 12:46:34 -0700q1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)eK Subject: Mini-Merges (was Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?) = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0210021146.7893a62f@posting.google.com>   Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3D901B9D.3DDEA7E9@127.0.0.1>...e > Rob Brooks wrote:eN > > I can't give you an example of the type of problem that could cause a fullQ > > merge; a full merge would be needed only if the context needed for mini-mergea4 > > has been destroyed.  That shouldn't happen . . . > H > Is the example when a system crashes? the 'dirty' bit is set on both /J > all members of a HBVS due to improper dismount, and the operating systemF > software will perform a full merge by default. (Also interested in a > reply to David's response).e   No, these are separate issues.  E The "rebuild" operation that frees blocks that are incorrectly marked E free (because a node had them in its extent cache and had them markedrF as in-use in BITMAP.SYS just to be on the safe side, but then the nodeC crashed and didn't dismount the volume "cleanly") and fixes up disk 2 quotas has nothing to do with shadowing or merges.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:04:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> O Subject: Re: Mini-Merges (was Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?)u, Message-ID: <3D9BB3BD.6F706ED4@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:E > Well, okay, but *MY* problem is shadow-sets that go full merge when # > rebooting a non-clustered system.s  K Do you dismount them properly/cleanly before shutdown ?  If all drives in aiM shadowset are cleanly dismounted, then you can remount the shadowset with alldM original members without a merge. But if the dismount wasn't clean, then whennU you remount, the system must ensure that the drives are in sync, hence a [mini]merge.m  I The problem with dismount is that it fails if you still have opened files - (aka: installed images) on the logical drive.I   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:55:27 GMT51 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>nO Subject: Re: Mini-Merges (was Re: Hardware Mirroring 'vs' Software Mirroring ?)s' Message-ID: <3D9BB773.B0D14CBD@fsi.net>s   Keith Parris wrote:i > b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D8FB641.78B15EE6@fsi.net>...K > > O.k. You've piqued my interest: under what circumstances would a rebootq  > > not create a situation where > >s' > > > the context needed for mini-mergev > > > has been destroyed > >t > > ?g > H > A crash (whether the node reboots or not doesn't matter) of a node, orE > anything (like a power failure or halt) that causes it to leave the F > cluster unexpectedly while it has a shadowset mounted introduces the? > need for a shadow merge operation (of either the Full or MinirH > varieties), since the now-departed node might have completed writes toB > one member but not the other(s) just before it left the cluster. > C > At that point, whether or not a mini-merge can be done depends onv< > whether or not we know what writes were in progress on theD > now-departed node just before it crashed.  (Obviously, all contextD > that was in memory on that node is useless to us; the node may notH > have even have been healthy enough at the time of the failure to writeA > a crash dump file.)  We get this context, if possible, from the  > controllers. > [snip]  C Well, okay, but *MY* problem is shadow-sets that go full merge wheni! rebooting a non-clustered system.g   -- < David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:55:44 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>I Subject: Re: My VMS Webserver book is available - missing acknowledgmentsn5 Message-ID: <VaIm9.164005$H6.13466870@zwoll1.home.nl>?   Congratulations indeed !!hI I can't wait for Amazon to send me the book after ordering it months ago.>> Thanks for all your trouble, I'm sure I will enjoy reading it.   Regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 11:27:25 -0700o# From: wmarsh@etrade.com (Wil Marsh)t1 Subject: NDM -Connect-Direct slow compared to FTPt= Message-ID: <36f52bd6.0210021027.39894696@posting.google.com>t  A We have an E-val copy of NDM on OpenVms and find it to be 5 times  slower than6A FTP. We are a Multinet IP shop and cannot seem to tune NDM to runs( faster. Is this common for this product?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:45:33 GMTa2 From: "Phillip Sobottke" <psobottke@ameritech.net> Subject: netscape?? Message-ID: <1OJm9.1898$F53.2012078@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>e  J Is the netscape browser located on the freeware cd or the layered productsF cd?  If not, where can I get a copy (without ordering the hobbiest cd)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:44:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>I Subject: Re: netscape?, Message-ID: <3D9B84C6.DDAFCAB5@videotron.ca>   Phillip Sobottke wrote:  > L > Is the netscape browser located on the freeware cd or the layered productsH > cd?  If not, where can I get a copy (without ordering the hobbiest cd)   I think it is on the freeware.    2 Your friend there is http://www.openvms.compaq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:31:02 GMTb' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>w Subject: Re: netscape?, Message-ID: <3D9B8FC6.5080800@theblakes.com>  F You can download Mozilla (latest released version is 1.1, or an alpha H release of 1.2) for either the OpenVMS web site or the Mozilla web site D (www.mozilla.org). The officially supported browser is now CSWB 1.0 I (based on Mozilla 1.0) which is also available from the OpenVMS web site..   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 15:28:25 -0700i6 From: stef.steunenberg@bhpsteel.com (Stef Steunenberg)? Subject: Network question - How to ensure a unique MAC address?n< Message-ID: <83743802.0210021428.4d4a611@posting.google.com>  ; We have 2 AlphaServer 800 5/400's running OpenVMS v7.1-1H2,oD DECnet-Plus v7.1 and UCX v4.2, with device type DE500 network cards.F Call the Alpha's N1 and N2. They on are a subnet where the router onlyC routes TCP/IP (not DECnet). N1 and N2 communicate separately with 2a> process control computers via the network, using a proprietaryE interface which requires the MAC addresses of the Alpha's and processe- control computers be entered on each partner.a  F As part of a disaster recovery plan, I got hold of an AlphaServer 1000A 4/200 with a device type DE435 network card, which I want to makeoA identical to N2. With the network cable unplugged, I did an imageSC backup of N2's system disk onto this Alpha, and booted it up as N2.f The NCL commands  ) NCL>show csma station csmacd-0 all statush  E gave the hardware address as 00-00-F8-10-59-20 and the MAC Address asoF AA-00-04-00-1F-04. (The UCX command "show interface we0/full" gave theD same ethernet address as the MAC address.) Perhaps not surprisingly,A this MAC address is the same as that of N2. However, with my very A limited understanding of networking, I thought that MAC addressesaB should be unique. Undeterred, I connected the new N2 directly to aF spare process control computer, configured the interface with this MAC; address, and communication between the two was established.p  ? As a next step, I renamed the new Alpha to N3 and put it on thec1 network. To do this, I first gave the NCL commands  0 NCL>flush session control naming cache entry "*"  1 then deregistered the entries for N1 and N2 usinghB sys$system:decnet_register, added the IP address for N3 to the UCXB local host table, edited modparams.dat and changed SCSSYSTEMID andC SCSNODE to "N3", reconfigured decnet using net$configure and TCP/IPhD using ucx$config, and rebooted. It came up as N3, but reported a MACF address identical to N1 (not N2)! When connected to a different subnetB to that of N1 and N2, I can telnet from N3 to N1 and N2 ("set hostD N1/N2" does not work because of the router). However, if I issue theF "set host N1" command from other nodes on this subnet, they connect to N3.d  E My question is: can I force N3 to generate a unique MAC address? Do I  need to?   Thanks,o Michael O'Connor Process Computing Dept.t New Zealand Steels   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:43:08 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>iC Subject: Re: Network question - How to ensure a unique MAC address?e, Message-ID: <3D9B848B.1C6E9061@videotron.ca>   Stef Steunenberg wrote:oG > My question is: can I force N3 to generate a unique MAC address? Do Ir
 > need to?  E The AA- ethernet address is derived from the decnet address ( x, y ).t  J MC NCP SHOW KNOWN NODES will display the node numbers associated with eachS node name. The node number consists or an area and a node number within this area).l  N So you need to change the node number for the 3rd node and that will give it a/ unique ethernet address once decnet is started.n   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 20:39:30 -0700a# From: wmarsh@etrade.com (Wil Marsh)dC Subject: Re: Network question - How to ensure a unique MAC address?a= Message-ID: <36f52bd6.0210021939.168ec615@posting.google.com>   z stef.steunenberg@bhpsteel.com (Stef Steunenberg) wrote in message news:<83743802.0210021428.4d4a611@posting.google.com>...= > We have 2 AlphaServer 800 5/400's running OpenVMS v7.1-1H2,iF > DECnet-Plus v7.1 and UCX v4.2, with device type DE500 network cards.H > Call the Alpha's N1 and N2. They on are a subnet where the router onlyE > routes TCP/IP (not DECnet). N1 and N2 communicate separately with 2y@ > process control computers via the network, using a proprietaryG > interface which requires the MAC addresses of the Alpha's and processz/ > control computers be entered on each partner.e > H > As part of a disaster recovery plan, I got hold of an AlphaServer 1000C > 4/200 with a device type DE435 network card, which I want to makebC > identical to N2. With the network cable unplugged, I did an image,E > backup of N2's system disk onto this Alpha, and booted it up as N2.: > The NCL commando > + > NCL>show csma station csmacd-0 all statust > G > gave the hardware address as 00-00-F8-10-59-20 and the MAC Address as H > AA-00-04-00-1F-04. (The UCX command "show interface we0/full" gave theF > same ethernet address as the MAC address.) Perhaps not surprisingly,C > this MAC address is the same as that of N2. However, with my very-C > limited understanding of networking, I thought that MAC addressesMD > should be unique. Undeterred, I connected the new N2 directly to aH > spare process control computer, configured the interface with this MAC= > address, and communication between the two was established./ > A > As a next step, I renamed the new Alpha to N3 and put it on thea3 > network. To do this, I first gave the NCL commandr > 2 > NCL>flush session control naming cache entry "*" > 3 > then deregistered the entries for N1 and N2 usingiD > sys$system:decnet_register, added the IP address for N3 to the UCXD > local host table, edited modparams.dat and changed SCSSYSTEMID andE > SCSNODE to "N3", reconfigured decnet using net$configure and TCP/IP F > using ucx$config, and rebooted. It came up as N3, but reported a MACH > address identical to N1 (not N2)! When connected to a different subnetD > to that of N1 and N2, I can telnet from N3 to N1 and N2 ("set hostF > N1/N2" does not work because of the router). However, if I issue theH > "set host N1" command from other nodes on this subnet, they connect to > N3.e > G > My question is: can I force N3 to generate a unique MAC address? Do Ie
 > need to? > 	 > Thanks,h > Michael O'Connor > Process Computing Dept.d > New Zealand Steelt  ? VMS DECNET changes the MAC address derived from the Decnet node C address. Thus two nodes with the same decnet node address will have0C the same Mac address and this is what the outside network will see,= not the hardware address.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:41:06 GMTv% From: "Yong Liu" <fdu9774@rogers.com>  Subject: OpenView on OpenVMSJ Message-ID: <muLm9.126813$q41.103681@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Hi,t  F we are planning to have an island made up of Alpha servers and anotherF island of regular HP workstation merged. Do you know if OpenView, HP'sJ network management software,  works on OpenVMS island. I know that SNMP isL working on OpenVMS, and OpenView uses SNMP services. But that is like to sayL two types computer uses silicon. Anyway, How do you suggest we should manage the merged network?A  3 As always, your suggestions are deeply appreciated.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:14:27 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategicsH Message-ID: <7IGm9.10228$Aiq1.2041@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message% news:3D9B2A5C.2090608@mail.tele.dk...w* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >g > > John Smith wrote:oK > >> Related to my 1st  question above - have any IBM or Sun shops actually  > >> received these brochures? > >T/ > > Would it make any difference if they had ??G >t > Pretty dum question. > . > How many posts have you read here asking for% > more and broader marketing of VMS ?I >  > Probably just a few hundred !  > * > So yes - it would please a lot of people+ > to hear that every IBM and SUN based shopr > has gotten that brochure.  >    Arne,   J There is a difference between typesetting and printing a brochure aimed at8 Sun/IBM users, and actually sending it to Sun/IBM users.  L Yes we've all be asking for VMS marketing directed at non-VMS customers. AndL to a certain extent it has been done from time-to-time. But the execution ofI the marketing strategy has often failed due to stupid errors. Not mailing L the brochure to the intended audience and then following up with sales calls may be one of them.n  J Not being in the UK, I simply asked if anyone there knows of Sun/IBM shops% that actually received this brochure.n   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 19:36:27 GMT0( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategice5 Message-ID: <anfhrr$dj2jf$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>e  H In article <7IGm9.10228$Aiq1.2041@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > L > There is a difference between typesetting and printing a brochure aimed at: > Sun/IBM users, and actually sending it to Sun/IBM users. > N > Yes we've all be asking for VMS marketing directed at non-VMS customers. AndN > to a certain extent it has been done from time-to-time. But the execution ofK > the marketing strategy has often failed due to stupid errors. Not mailing N > the brochure to the intended audience and then following up with sales calls > may be one of them., > L > Not being in the UK, I simply asked if anyone there knows of Sun/IBM shops' > that actually received this brochure.a  H Where would they get IBM's or Sun's customer list??  Surely they are not/ stupid enough to give it to their competitors??-  G Of course, I could be wrong.  Compaq apparently gave theirs to Sun, IBMr# and Dell shortly before the merger.    bill   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   T   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:02:36 GMTs1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>i! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategics, Message-ID: <M9Jm9.15067$xI5.3433@sccrnsc02>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:7IGm9.10228$Aiq1.2041@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >w< > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message' > news:3D9B2A5C.2090608@mail.tele.dk...-, > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > >0 > > > John Smith wrote:eD > > >> Related to my 1st  question above - have any IBM or Sun shops actually  > > >> received these brochures? > > >d1 > > > Would it make any difference if they had ??a > >e > > Pretty dum question. > >60 > > How many posts have you read here asking for' > > more and broader marketing of VMS ?d > >e! > > Probably just a few hundred !s > > , > > So yes - it would please a lot of people- > > to hear that every IBM and SUN based shop  > > has gotten that brochure.e > >  >c > Arne,t > L > There is a difference between typesetting and printing a brochure aimed at: > Sun/IBM users, and actually sending it to Sun/IBM users. >dJ > Yes we've all be asking for VMS marketing directed at non-VMS customers. And2K > to a certain extent it has been done from time-to-time. But the executionf ofK > the marketing strategy has often failed due to stupid errors. Not mailinguH > the brochure to the intended audience and then following up with sales calls  > may be one of them.y >rL > Not being in the UK, I simply asked if anyone there knows of Sun/IBM shops' > that actually received this brochure.- >-I Ever hear "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it?"m   DEC-->CPQ   CPQ-->HPQG  G But at least there was Experienced "help" in the HPQ merger. That greate American, Ken Lay.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:10:28 GMTa$ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategict8 Message-ID: <00A14DA5.ECDDC6D9@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ` In article <anfhrr$dj2jf$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:I >In article <7IGm9.10228$Aiq1.2041@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,c' >	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:1 >> /M >> There is a difference between typesetting and printing a brochure aimed at ; >> Sun/IBM users, and actually sending it to Sun/IBM users.t >> oO >> Yes we've all be asking for VMS marketing directed at non-VMS customers. AndsO >> to a certain extent it has been done from time-to-time. But the execution of L >> the marketing strategy has often failed due to stupid errors. Not mailingO >> the brochure to the intended audience and then following up with sales calls: >> may be one of them. >> xM >> Not being in the UK, I simply asked if anyone there knows of Sun/IBM shops ( >> that actually received this brochure. >mI >Where would they get IBM's or Sun's customer list??  Surely they are not 0 >stupid enough to give it to their competitors??  L Maybe, maybe not.  However, third parties (especially controlled-circulationL magazines) maintain lists of people who have at least claimed that they  useN Sun kit, IBM kit, etc, and they are happy to sell mailing lists.  That's a big9 part of why those trade rags are often 'free' to readers.    -- Alant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:43:56 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategicwH Message-ID: <wMJm9.10394$Aiq1.7348@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:anfhrr$dj2jf$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...uJ > In article <7IGm9.10228$Aiq1.2041@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:d > >rK > > There is a difference between typesetting and printing a brochure aimede at< > > Sun/IBM users, and actually sending it to Sun/IBM users. > >uL > > Yes we've all be asking for VMS marketing directed at non-VMS customers. And-C > > to a certain extent it has been done from time-to-time. But theW execution ofE > > the marketing strategy has often failed due to stupid errors. Notv mailingrJ > > the brochure to the intended audience and then following up with sales callsl > > may be one of them.  > >hH > > Not being in the UK, I simply asked if anyone there knows of Sun/IBM shops ) > > that actually received this brochure.5 >lJ > Where would they get IBM's or Sun's customer list??  Surely they are not1 > stupid enough to give it to their competitors??- >-I > Of course, I could be wrong.  Compaq apparently gave theirs to Sun, IBM.% > and Dell shortly before the merger.a    F Let's see...who are Sun and IBM's major customers for unix? Start withJ almost every major bank and brokerage and insurance company on the planet.L Go to Sun and IBM web sites, find out who their software partners are, go toH those sites and look for customer testimonials and cross-reference thoseK with HP's customer lists on the server side of the business. Go to HP's webhI site and look for HP-UX customer testimonials and sell to them too. As to L Dell's customers, get a copy of the business telephone listing in every city  on the planet and call everyone.  J However, all that presumes that there are apps/tools available on VMS thatK the Sun/IBM customers want to use. That is another matter that HP and their J ISV's need to budget advertising money for. I'm afraid it's a Gordian knotF under the best of economic circumstances, never mind today's unsettled business conditions.  L If HP actually wanted to put the staff they were intending to layoff to goodC use before they fire them, they'd send teams out going door-to-dooraK surveying every business they could as to which company's servers they use.iD Mind you, a team of dedicated high school students studying Grade 10K Commerce would probably be just as effective and more enthusiastic than anyt' marketing team DEC/CPQ/HP ever fielded.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:01:47 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategicu5 Message-ID: <1021002225749.1922F-100000@Ives.egh.com>h  % On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, John Smith wrote:o   >=20> > "Arne Vajh=F8j" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message' > news:3D9B2A5C.2090608@mail.tele.dk...s, > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > >. > > > John Smith wrote:nL > > >> Related to my 1st  question above - have any IBM or Sun shops actual= ly  > > >> received these brochures? > > >g1 > > > Would it make any difference if they had ??  > >  > > Pretty dum question. > >t0 > > How many posts have you read here asking for' > > more and broader marketing of VMS ?o > >t! > > Probably just a few hundred !i > >o, > > So yes - it would please a lot of people- > > to hear that every IBM and SUN based shope > > has gotten that brochure.J > >b >=20 > Arne,i >=20L > There is a difference between typesetting and printing a brochure aimed a= to: > Sun/IBM users, and actually sending it to Sun/IBM users. >=20L > Yes we've all be asking for VMS marketing directed at non-VMS customers. = AndjL > to a certain extent it has been done from time-to-time. But the execution=  of K > the marketing strategy has often failed due to stupid errors. Not mailing L > the brochure to the intended audience and then following up with sales ca= lls  > may be one of them.a >=20L > Not being in the UK, I simply asked if anyone there knows of Sun/IBM shop= se' > that actually received this brochure.   A I believe Arne was replying to Andrew's followup question and not  to your original question.  @ Andrew's followup was, as usual, content free, and so not worthy of a reply.s  C I haven't seen this brochure, but I live in the US, and it probably*& wouldn't come to me personally anyway.   --=20/ John Santosd Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 03:10:05 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategictJ Message-ID: <hyOm9.168878$8b1.107438@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message / news:1021002225749.1922F-100000@Ives.egh.com... % On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, John Smith wrote:y   >o< > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message' > news:3D9B2A5C.2090608@mail.tele.dk...8, > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > >n > > > John Smith wrote::D > > >> Related to my 1st  question above - have any IBM or Sun shops actually  > > >> received these brochures? > > >m1 > > > Would it make any difference if they had ??h > >t > > Pretty dum question. > >e0 > > How many posts have you read here asking for' > > more and broader marketing of VMS ?  > > ! > > Probably just a few hundred !  > >t, > > So yes - it would please a lot of people- > > to hear that every IBM and SUN based shop  > > has gotten that brochure.  > >n >a > Arne,4 >2L > There is a difference between typesetting and printing a brochure aimed at: > Sun/IBM users, and actually sending it to Sun/IBM users. >eJ > Yes we've all be asking for VMS marketing directed at non-VMS customers. AnduK > to a certain extent it has been done from time-to-time. But the executiona ofK > the marketing strategy has often failed due to stupid errors. Not mailing H > the brochure to the intended audience and then following up with sales callsD > may be one of them.x > L > Not being in the UK, I simply asked if anyone there knows of Sun/IBM shops' > that actually received this brochure.0  A I believe Arne was replying to Andrew's followup question and notL to your original question.  @ Andrew's followup was, as usual, content free, and so not worthy of a reply..  C I haven't seen this brochure, but I live in the US, and it probablyl& wouldn't come to me personally anyway.     John,   , You appear to be correct. My apologies Arne.  G Maybe someone in the UK can scan it and post it someplace. I have a fewh people I'd like to show it to.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:45:32 GMTl4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!0 Message-ID: <3D9B3CAF.75C7CC2A@blueyonder.co.uk>   Bob Koehler wrote: > s > In article <20021001202916.11640.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:t > > Bobg > >i/ > > Yes ! We have TCPIP (V5.0A) in the AS-1000.e8 > > The LPD is configured but I am receiving the message9 > > of LPD reject in my server. I created a local printero5 > > there to test. When I send the job, the file goes 2 > > to the spool directory. But when I try to send% > > to the LAT print I have problems:n > >  > >l' > > In my server I set up the LPR queuel0 > > (rm:server2,rp:lat-printer) is this right  ? > >) > I >    I set up UCX LPD queues over a decade ago.  I don't recall any greataJ >    difficulty, but I had already been setting up ULTRIX queues which UCX >    choose to look like.  > E >    Sorry, but that's too long ago and I've been using Multinet ever(9 >    since.  I'm sure someone else will be more helpfull.o  I If anyone is going to help Fabio anymore he needs to post some hard data,a/ ie the approriate section of his printcap file.v   Fabio?     -- - tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk a  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:01:31 GMTi4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!0 Message-ID: <3D9B406E.55A23F7B@blueyonder.co.uk>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:  c > % > In my server I set up the LPR queuev. > (rm:server2,rp:lat-printer) is this right  ? >    Thats the right idea.d  2 Do you get anything in the lpd logfile on server2? Server1?  2 What does lpq (on server1) tell you about the job?  A I am assuming it is the printers that have no tcpip, not server2.g+ It is not totally clear from your answers. r  	 > Regardsh    -- i tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 11:09:53 -0700-/ From: chinachowchow@mailcity.com (Rick Nickles) = Subject: Re: Seeking Senior VMS System Administrator Position3= Message-ID: <ac4e3b24.0210021009.3fdbf6c4@posting.google.com>e   Thanks for the ideas!I Rick r  _ "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message news:<3D98CABD.30945.3C3AC5@localhost>...M. > On 30 Sep 2002 at 18:23, Rick Nickles wrote:D > > Thanks everyone for the thoughts!!  I'm still out of work, stillI > > looking hard, and open to any suggestions anyone may have.  I've been B > > considering whether it's worth the $1500 to go to HPETS2002... > D > If you're good at multiple-choice tests, with your experience, it E > would be worth your while to spend about $200 at www.2test.com and -G > pass the tests to become a HP Certified OpenVMS System Administrator.5 > H > Why?  That knocks down your admission to HPETS to $795.  And it looks  > good on the resume.S > > > Check out all the info at www.compaq.com/certification/na	 . >  > H > When you get to St. Louis, you might want to stay at the Day's Inn.   G > $80 per night, instead of the $100 - $200 that the "official" hotels a	 > charge.  > --Stan Quaylem > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671.3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147e? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comp   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 03:03:56 GMTs1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>eH Subject: Re: Telnet to a consoleport of an openVMS using a DECserver 300' Message-ID: <3D9BB96E.DF4B942A@fsi.net>    Hans van Rooijen wrote:1 > B > I configured a DECserver 300 with a IP address and port 1 of theH > DECserver as a listnet port 2001. Port 1 of the DECserver is connected, > to the console port of an openVMS machine.C > When I make a connection from VMS machine (ucx4.2-4 / tcpip 5.0a)lF > using the command: "telnet <ip address decserver> /port=2001", i get > the USERNAME prompt.F > When I fill in my username and press the enter key I get my usernameC > echoed again. Then the password prompt follows. When I fill in mya; > password, then password is echoed character by character.oE > It looks the DECserver is echoing characters and when i press enter'F > then VMS machine is echoing the commands. When I use Refelections or6 > telnet from Windows everything is working correctly.D > I tried to disable the echoing of the DECserver but it won't work.9 > Does someone had simular problems and know the answer??a	 > Thanks.   : I have a feeling that will be Telnet options on the DS300.  H You'll be looking for characteristics like "new line" (turn it off, send2 <CR> when type <CR>) and local echo (turn it off).  $ Dunno, but that's where I'd start...   -- t David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:51:28 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>' Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boott5 Message-ID: <V6Im9.163968$H6.13464358@zwoll1.home.nl>p   Charlie Hammond wrote:8 > In article <THom9.158444$H6.13180892@zwoll1.home.nl>, " > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: >  > 5 >>I'm using a copied [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 CD-ROM]...  >  >  > Why are you using a copy?b  Q Since I work for a big organization, packages tend to get lost. So our VMS 7.3-1 hM kits were on someones desk and we did not know where they were. Our friendly VQ Compaq, oops, HP engineers however had a kit for us, so we copied the CD's. This rQ morning we were able to trace our kits, so I tried again with an original CD. To v no avail I'm afraid.   >  > O >>... booting the CD it will go as far as reporting that the network interface pK >>is set to full duplex etc. After that I see some more activity, but then dN >>after a while the CD player doesn't do very much anymore. Only occasionally . >>I see the read led flash for a short moment. >>' >>... The VMS 7.3 CD has no problems...e >  >  > Is the V7.3 CD a copy? No  1 > Does an "original" (not a copy) V7.3-1 CD boot?n  Q Yes, but just like with the copy it will get to the EWA0 message, load some more ,Q   stuff from CD (2 burst of activity), and then everything gets very quiet. Just e1   occasionaly a short flash of the CD-Rom player.m   >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:21:30 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>i' Subject: RE: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not bootwT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A67@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Jay,  $ Re: scsi, Cdrom and boot problems ..  F The issue I had booting the OpenVMS system Cdrom on older DEC3000 withG scsi was the console parameter SCSI_RESET. By increasing it, above 4, IrE was able to boot cleanly. If it was set to 2 or below, I had problemsr booting.=20e   >>> SET SCSI_RESET 5   YMMV ..a   Regards.  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services. Voice: 613-592-4660w Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom* [spammers finally getting to me ..sigh ..]   -----Original Message-----A From: Jay Olson [mailto:jay.olson@triton-software.com.no.spam]=20d Sent: October 2, 2002 1:35 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-1 CD will not boot      Main, Kerry wrote:  >  E > I have had issues in the past on older systems with SCSI timeout=20e > values  + > in the console impacting VMS boot CD's ..e >=20    B Coul you elaborate on that a bit? I have a customer who has six=20F AlphaServer 800s, two in a cluster and four standalone. We recently=20G tried to upgrade to VMS 7.3 on all of theses systems. The standalone=20TI ones had no problem, but the VMS install CD crashed midway through the=20dJ boot on the clustered system (it was a "halt instruction executed" type=20
 of crash).   	- Jay Olson 	Triton Software Group LLC   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 19:42:50 -0000.4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued6 Message-ID: <20021002194250.28772.qmail@nym.alias.net>  6 On Tue, 01 Oct 2002, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >Bob Ceculski wrote:9 >> "rob@ NetCarrier" <rob@paychoice.com> wrote in messageu8 >> news:<9QZl9.367$tB6.107352107@news.netcarrier.net>... >>  M >>>Well  With the last couple updates for Security  I've been waiting for Bob  >>>C's spin on this? >>>cC >>>                                                             Rob  >>>n >> ,D >> what spin?  if you use wasd or webes shareware, this can and doesG >> happen ... it happens with apache and it happens w/ucx, although ucxiB >> was a file protection glitch ... since I use none of the above, >> I am batting 1000 still ... >a= >A file protection glitch being able to overwrite any file ina> >the system !! This isn't a security hole its a 6 lane tunnel.  6 Not defending Bob, but *this* is your 6-lane tunnel...  0 http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/293812   Whoops! That's Solaris. :-)i     Doc. -- .6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netd   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:07:21 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU* Subject: Re: WASD Security Advisory Issued8 Message-ID: <00A14DA5.7D3DE3F4@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <3D9B239C.1080503@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >i >JF Mezei wrote:+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  >>  ? >>>A file protection glitch being able to overwrite any file in @ >>>the system !! This isn't a security hole its a 6 lane tunnel. >> v >> hM >> In the case of the pop server thing, yes, it could technically overwrite auO >> file, but you couldn't really control the contents. It was just logfile data I >> that woudl be written. You couldn't send some executable to that file.  >> i >o> >Quite, so you have your database in a RMS file(s) and someone& >overwrites it/them with logfile data. > 9 >Not quite damaging its the denial of service attack fromt >hell. >r  M (1) Agreed that pointing POP server logfile data at, say, SYSUAF is damaging.   J (2) Of course, RMS uses file versioning, so the SYSUAF data isn't _gone_, M it's temporarily inaccessible.  An already-logged-in privileged account could,0 fix this, as could booting from installation CD.  K (3) I don't mean to underestimate the gravity of this error.  _However_, ingM order to exploit it you need to already have logged in to the system, so it'snI an externally-available exploit, and is nowhere near the severity of, for O example, IIS exploits or sendmail buffer overflows that let external people owne your system.   -- Alan-   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 03:12:05 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t< Subject: Re: Why slow system when using logical search list?' Message-ID: <3D9BBB55.651E9100@fsi.net>v   Lawrence Bleau wrote:  > Q > Hi, I have a performance question that make take some insider knowledge of RMS.mM > It was quite a puzzler.  First, my config: OpenVMS AXP V7.1-2 on DECstation- > 3000 model 300, Fortran V7.2.  > M > Background (short version): A disk went bad, so we moved our data sets to a:P > spare disk on another system in the same room, and accessed them using Decnet.Q > The requesting system (umstep) took a huge performance hit, using only 30% useroM > mode time instead of a more typical 60%-80%, and kernel and interrupt modes-N > went to 35% and 30%, respectively, and consistently, too.  This was the only  > program running on the system. > M > Here's what I found about the problem.  When using a logical name to open aoI > file (as in SDFDIR:filename), if the logical name is a search list thateP > contains a remote node name and disk/directory on the remote system as well asO > a local disk/directory, a lot of time is spent in kernel mode and the program.M > slows to a crawl.  If the logical name is changed to be *solely* the remote N > node, disk, and directory, with *no* local  parts (ie, not a search list but9 > still remote access), the program speeds up noticeably.z > P > To demonstrate this, I wrote a short test program that would do nothing exceptO > open a file on the remote system, read its entire contents, and close it, theeN > proceed to the next file and repeat the process.  Nothing else.  I specifiedN > SDFDIR:filename as the file to open, where filename is generated internally.L > With SDFDIR defined as SAMPEX::$SDF:[SDF}, it went through at the expected? > pace, taking about 7-8 secs per file.  With SDFDIR defined as-J > SAMPEX::$SDF:[SDF],$STEP_DATA:[DWYER.SDF],$STEP:[DWYER.STEP.DATA] (whereL > $STEP_DATA: and $STEP: are local disks) the program took 45 secs per file.& > This is almost a factor of 6 slower. > M > I advised the user the change the logical name specification to improve thetN > application speed.  However, tptb (the powers that be) will not be satisfiedD > with this; they'll ask me why at next week's meeting (or earlier). > J > Does anyone know of a reason why this should occur?  Is there some magicP > happening within RMS, some optimization, that is defeated by a search list, or > some esoteric like that?  D Well, if you're accessing something on another node via DECnet, thatG means the I/O must traverse the DECnet line/circuit which, I'm betting,p/ is not capable of even SCSI-I speeds (5MB/sec).    That'd be my first guess.0  G We used to do this exact same thing on V3.2 - two VAX 11/750s accessingAH disks via an HSC(50?), in the days before clustering. Slow, but hey - it3 worked and for the time (1983/84), that was enough!P   -- n David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/A   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2002 13:50:50 -0700r) From: jbrankin@ntlworld.com (Jim Brankin) + Subject: Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?s= Message-ID: <863f19d6.0210021250.12eb20e6@posting.google.com>n  h koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<HeS0uXW$WOol@eisner.encompasserve.org>...z > In article <lUvAvP3LnO89@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: > B > Is there any support in VMS for users writing a new filesystem ? >      Use the source.   : It will cost you, but you cannot do without it. Not all of@ VMS is on the CDs but I think they will give you everything you  need.   = Your first port of call is mount. Read it and understand the n? data structures it allocates and links together. You will have n= to write your own mount program. There is no /type qualifier e: to mount to make it spawn a file system specific program.   ; If you are thinking of porting a file system to VMS, ext3, y< say, then you are taking on a lot. It would be difficult to , make an existing file system conform to the 9 shared nothing model and I am not sure that there is any -< value in a shared everything file system for VMS. A half way: house is possible, with the user data being written direct; and the meta data controlled by one server in the cluster. e  < You should keep the linked list of File Control Blocks which; hang off the VCB. Although they are not part of the public  ? interface many applications access them. There can be thousandsi5 of them and they are searched linearly on every file N2 system access  with a spinlock held. Horrible, but= DEC/Compaq/HP will not replace the linked list with a binary nC tree or other log n type structure because they know it would make e" some important applications break.  7 One area of interest is opportunistic locks for the SMB 8 protocol. I think I am right in saying that none of the : SMB servers for VMS do oplocks now so if you could get it > working it would be a good selling point for your file system.< It shouldn't be too hard. You would need two locks for each A open file, one indicating how it is really opened and one showings> the opportunistic level. Opportunistic locking can give a huge. performance boost in the right circumstances.   A If this is a commerial venture, then I think it will be difficult < to make money from it. I do not think many users will buy a ; file system from anyone except HP. The data on VMS systems o9 is all mission critical and the  users have to trust the i supplier implicitly. p     Best of luck.    - Jim    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:27:05 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> Y Subject: RE: [security bulletin] SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server local vulnerabic9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEIJFNAA.tom@kednos.com>a  8 OK, I have 5.1 running under 7.3.  Is 5.3 on the latest 8 Software Products Library, or can it be downloaded?  How9 about the ECO, is that downloadable?  I assume that it iso6 a self-extracting file that installs itself?  Sorry to, bother, but really haven't done this before.   Tom-   >-----Original Message-----s) >From: tru64-unix-managers-owner@ornl.govhD >[mailto:tru64-unix-managers-owner@ornl.gov]On Behalf Of Boren, Rich >(SSRT)s* >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:43 PM! >To: tru64-unix-managers@ornl.govnF >Subject: [security bulletin] SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server >local vulnerability >d >c > # >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----r >Hash: SHA1t >i > SECURITY BULLETINC > 
 > REVISION: 0m >iF > Title:  SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server local vulnerability >  >e< > NOTICE: There are no restrictions for distribution of this@ >         Bulletin provided that it remains complete and intact. >e > RELEASE DATE:  September 2002e >h > SEVERITY:  Highd > ' > SOURCE:  Compaq Computer Corporation,e' >          a wholly-owned subsidiary ofa& >          Hewlett-Packard Company and. >          Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services* >          Software Security Response Team >  > REFERENCE:  SSRT2371 >o > PROBLEM SUMMARY  > 7 >   This bulletin will be posted to the support websiteh# >   within 24 hours of release to - 4 >   http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/support.htmlG >   Use the SEARCH IN feature box, enter SSRT2371 in the search window.I >s@ >   SSRT2371  POP server potential vulnerability (Severity HIGH) > > >     A potential vulnerability has been reported where, under> >     certain circumstances, a local authorized non-privileged> >     user may gain unauthorized access to privileged files or; >     unauthorized privileges. The report is of a potentialn> >     locally exploitable file corruption issue with HP TCP/IP& >     services for OpenVMS POP server. >i@ >     This problem does not exist if the POP server is disabled. >  >- >  VERSIONS IMPACTED >- > 0 >     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS version 5.3 >i0 >     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS version 5.1 >S1 >     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS version 5.0a. >n0 >     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS version 4.2 >v >n
 >  RESOLUTION  >A >a/ >     HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 ALPHAa3 >     (all supported versions of HP OpenVMS ALPHA):a >e8 >     Install: HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 ECO 1= >     Prerequisite :  HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 fora% >                     HP OpenVMSALPHAe6 >     Kit Name:       DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-181-4 >     Kit Location: F >http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v7.3/tcpip/5.3/ >-- >     HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 VAX 1 >     (all supported versions of HP OpenVMS VAX):: >:? >     Install:        HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 ECO 1.= >     Prerequisite :  HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 fora$ >                     HP OpenVMS VAX6 >     Kit Name:       DEC-VAXVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-181-4 >     Kit Location: F >http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/vax/v7.3/tcpip/5.3/ > ; >     Note: Please review the README file(s) for this patch " >           prior to installation. >  >y6 >     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS 5.1 VAX & ALPHA*: >h6 >       Upgrade to HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3' >       and install ECO 1 listed above.u >e: >       * If you are unable to upgrade please contact your@ >         normal HP services OpenVMS support channel and request? >         HP OpenVMS services elevate a case to TCP/IP Services * >         for OpenVMS Support Engineering. >d6 >     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS 5.0a VAX & ALPHA:5 >     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS 4.2 VAX & ALPHA:r >AJ >         Upgrade to HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 and install ECO 1I >         listed above if possible. If upgrading is not possible, contactlH >         your normal HP services OpenVMS support channel and request HPH >         OpenVMS services elevate a case to TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS >         Support Engineering. >  >t9 >     To determine if the service is enabled, execute the- >     following command: >1& >             $ tcpip show service pop >GE >             Service     Port  Proto    Process     Address    Statej >@G >             POP         110   TCP      TCPIP$POP   0.0.0.0    Enabledo >i >e >a> >     After completing the update, HP strongly recommends thatA >     you perform an immediate backup of your system disk so thatiD >     any subsequent restore operations begin with updated software.C >     Otherwise, you must reapply the update after a future restoretE >     operation. Also, if at some future time you upgrade your systemuG >     to a later patch version, you may need to reapply the appropriatei
 >     update.a >n: > SUPPORT:   For further information, contact HP Services. >u9 > SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe to automatically receive future  >t> > Security Advisories from the Software Security Response Team > (SSRT) via electronic mail:c: > http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/mailing-list.shtml >S; > REPORT: To report a potential security vulnerability witht4 > any HP or Compaq supported product, send email to: > security-alert@hp.comB > 9 > HP and Compaq appreciate your cooperation and patience.G: > As always, HP and Compaq urge you to periodically review4 > your system management and security procedures. HP= > and Compaq will continue to review and enhance the security 9 > features of its products and work with our customers to : > maintain and improve the security and integrity of their
 > systems. >m7 > "HP and Compaq are broadly distributing this SecurityR= > Bulletin in order to bring to the attention of users of ther= > affected Compaq products the important security information7: > contained in this Bulletin. HP and Compaq recommend that; > all users determine the applicability of this informations= > to their individual situations and take appropriate action.i > 8 > Neither HP nor Compaq warrant that this information is: > necessarily accurate or complete for all user situations> > and, consequently, neither HP nor Compaq will be responsible; > for any damages resulting from user's use or disregard ofr- > the information provided in this Bulletin."v >o< > Copyright 2002 Compaq Information Technologies Group, L.P.> > Compaq shall not be liable for technical or editorial errors8 > or omissions contained herein. The information in this: > document is subject to change without notice. Compaq and4 > the names of Compaq products referenced herein are6 > trademarks of Compaq Information Technologies Group,6 > L.P. in the United States and other countries. Other> > product and company names mentioned herein may be trademarks > of their respective owners.t >  >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP 7.0.4f >fA >iQA/AwUBPZtaaTnTu2ckvbFuEQIccQCgjAmFjtXV0hLMVtEJq7oVoKTRhGwAoOLWo >RDcl6LhtZk8IAPjAAd4QkOmSt >=O6m5 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >g >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).wA >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002v >h ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:54:19 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>LY Subject: RE: [security bulletin] SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server local vulnerabi09 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEIKFNAA.tom@kednos.com>8  ? Apologies for responding to own mail.  Should have first lookedr@ at the7.3-1 distribution.  However, the Upgrade and Installation@ Manual focuses on VMS, I hadn't planned to upgrade 7.3 to 7.3-1,@ but I would like to upgrade TCPIP from 5. to 5.3 are there notes available for this task?   >-----Original Message-----s) >From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]S* >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:27 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC >Subject: RE: [security bulletin] SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POPe >server local vulnerabilityd >e > 9 >OK, I have 5.1 running under 7.3.  Is 5.3 on the latest  9 >Software Products Library, or can it be downloaded?  How : >about the ECO, is that downloadable?  I assume that it is7 >a self-extracting file that installs itself?  Sorry tor- >bother, but really haven't done this before.e >B >Tom >n >>-----Original Message-----* >>From: tru64-unix-managers-owner@ornl.govE >>[mailto:tru64-unix-managers-owner@ornl.gov]On Behalf Of Boren, Richl >>(SSRT)+ >>Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:43 PMp" >>To: tru64-unix-managers@ornl.govG >>Subject: [security bulletin] SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP servert >>local vulnerabilityo >> >> >> r$ >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >> SECURITY BULLETIN >> >> REVISION: 0 >>G >> Title:  SSRT2371 HP OpenVMS Potential POP server local vulnerability: >> V >>= >> NOTICE: There are no restrictions for distribution of thissA >>         Bulletin provided that it remains complete and intact.e >>  >> RELEASE DATE:  September 2002 >> >> SEVERITY:  High >>( >> SOURCE:  Compaq Computer Corporation,( >>          a wholly-owned subsidiary of' >>          Hewlett-Packard Company and / >>          Hewlett-Packard Company HP Servicesn+ >>          Software Security Response Team, >> >> REFERENCE:  SSRT2371u >> >> PROBLEM SUMMARY >>8 >>   This bulletin will be posted to the support website$ >>   within 24 hours of release to -5 >>   http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/support.htmltH >>   Use the SEARCH IN feature box, enter SSRT2371 in the search window. >>A >>   SSRT2371  POP server potential vulnerability (Severity HIGH)o >>? >>     A potential vulnerability has been reported where, undere? >>     certain circumstances, a local authorized non-privilegedh? >>     user may gain unauthorized access to privileged files orl< >>     unauthorized privileges. The report is of a potential? >>     locally exploitable file corruption issue with HP TCP/IPu' >>     services for OpenVMS POP server.  >>A >>     This problem does not exist if the POP server is disabled.e >> >> >>  VERSIONS IMPACTED  >> >>1 >>     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS version 5.3n >>1 >>     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS version 5.1o >>2 >>     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS version 5.0a >>1 >>     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS version 4.2e >> >> >>  RESOLUTION >> >>0 >>     HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 ALPHA4 >>     (all supported versions of HP OpenVMS ALPHA): >>9 >>     Install: HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 ECO 1c> >>     Prerequisite :  HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 for& >>                     HP OpenVMSALPHA7 >>     Kit Name:       DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-181-4a >>     Kit Location:  G >>http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v7.3/tcpip/5.3/  >>. >>     HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 VAX2 >>     (all supported versions of HP OpenVMS VAX): >>@ >>     Install:        HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 ECO 1> >>     Prerequisite :  HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 for% >>                     HP OpenVMS VAXt7 >>     Kit Name:       DEC-VAXVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-181-4  >>     Kit Location: tG >>http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/vax/v7.3/tcpip/5.3/s >>< >>     Note: Please review the README file(s) for this patch# >>           prior to installation.a >> >>7 >>     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS 5.1 VAX & ALPHA*:- >>7 >>       Upgrade to HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3m( >>       and install ECO 1 listed above. >>; >>       * If you are unable to upgrade please contact yourvA >>         normal HP services OpenVMS support channel and requestA@ >>         HP OpenVMS services elevate a case to TCP/IP Services+ >>         for OpenVMS Support Engineering.w >>7 >>     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS 5.0a VAX & ALPHA:o6 >>     HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS 4.2 VAX & ALPHA: >>K >>         Upgrade to HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS V5.3 and install ECO 1oJ >>         listed above if possible. If upgrading is not possible, contactI >>         your normal HP services OpenVMS support channel and request HPrI >>         OpenVMS services elevate a case to TCP/IP Services for OpenVMSo >>         Support Engineering.e >> >>: >>     To determine if the service is enabled, execute the >>     following command:0 >>' >>             $ tcpip show service popw >>F >>             Service     Port  Proto    Process     Address    State >>H >>             POP         110   TCP      TCPIP$POP   0.0.0.0    Enabled >> >> >>? >>     After completing the update, HP strongly recommends thatsB >>     you perform an immediate backup of your system disk so thatE >>     any subsequent restore operations begin with updated software. D >>     Otherwise, you must reapply the update after a future restoreF >>     operation. Also, if at some future time you upgrade your systemH >>     to a later patch version, you may need to reapply the appropriate >>     update. >>; >> SUPPORT:   For further information, contact HP Services.o >>: >> SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe to automatically receive future >>? >> Security Advisories from the Software Security Response Teami >> (SSRT) via electronic mail:; >> http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/mailing-list.shtml  >>< >> REPORT: To report a potential security vulnerability with5 >> any HP or Compaq supported product, send email to:0 >> security-alert@hp.com >>: >> HP and Compaq appreciate your cooperation and patience.; >> As always, HP and Compaq urge you to periodically reviews5 >> your system management and security procedures. HPw> >> and Compaq will continue to review and enhance the security: >> features of its products and work with our customers to; >> maintain and improve the security and integrity of their9 >> systems.@ >>8 >> "HP and Compaq are broadly distributing this Security> >> Bulletin in order to bring to the attention of users of the> >> affected Compaq products the important security information; >> contained in this Bulletin. HP and Compaq recommend thate< >> all users determine the applicability of this information> >> to their individual situations and take appropriate action. >>9 >> Neither HP nor Compaq warrant that this information is ; >> necessarily accurate or complete for all user situationsa? >> and, consequently, neither HP nor Compaq will be responsiblee< >> for any damages resulting from user's use or disregard of. >> the information provided in this Bulletin." >>= >> Copyright 2002 Compaq Information Technologies Group, L.P.e? >> Compaq shall not be liable for technical or editorial errors.9 >> or omissions contained herein. The information in this-; >> document is subject to change without notice. Compaq andt5 >> the names of Compaq products referenced herein arec7 >> trademarks of Compaq Information Technologies Group,s7 >> L.P. in the United States and other countries. Othert? >> product and company names mentioned herein may be trademarksh >> of their respective owners. >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----o >>Version: PGP 7.0.4 >>B >>iQA/AwUBPZtaaTnTu2ckvbFuEQIccQCgjAmFjtXV0hLMVtEJq7oVoKTRhGwAoOLW >>RDcl6LhtZk8IAPjAAd4QkOmS >>=O6m5y >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----n >> >>---u( >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002 >> >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.p; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002e >l >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.x; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).yA >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/20026 >6 ---a& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.545 ************************intero5 > > there to t                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	    
            
                                                                                 !    "    #    $    %    &    '    (    )    *    +    ,    -    .    /    0    1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9    :    ;    <    =    >    ?    @    A    B    C    D    E    F    G    H    I    J    K    L    M    N    O    P    Q    R    S    T    U    V    W    X    Y    Z    [    \    ]    ^    _    `    a    b    c    d    e    f    g    h    i    j    k    l    m    n    o    p    q    r    s    t    u    v    w    x    y    z    {    |    }    ~                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        