1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 04 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 548       Contents:C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) C Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT) 0 RE: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... Re: 'hobbyist' vms Re: 'hobbyist' vms Re: 'hobbyist' vms Re: 4GB Disk Blowut $34 each! Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS F Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP server on older versions ?F Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP server on older versions ?P Re: Back to the start. What do I need to be able to access an Ingres II dbase fr Disable access log on CSWS Re: Disable access log on CSWS RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters
 Re: FDL Files ! Re: HP-UX and Tru64 UNIX  webcast I Re: Java 1.3.1. Failing to run a program trying to access an Ingres dbase ( Re: LCD monitors on OpenVMS workstations Marvel performance ??????  Re: mouning floppy drive Mount ISO Image  RE: Mount ISO Image  Re: netscape% New location of the DVDwrite homepage  Re: OpenView on OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?  OpenVMS 7.3-1 Linker question ! Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Linker question ! Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Linker question ! Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Linker question  Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! ) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! ) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! ) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! + Re: Originator of detached process from DCL + Re: Originator of detached process from DCL ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's P Re: Press Release  LEGATO Teams with HP To Release An Industry-First For Backup  Re: tcp/ip == UCX 0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) Volume shadowing performance  Re: Volume shadowing performance  Re: Volume shadowing performance  Re: Volume shadowing performance Re: What Uses BYTLM? Re: What Uses BYTLM?" Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?" Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 06:57:31 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)3 Message-ID: <odpS4+P4$gEZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <87u1k4enma.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:1 > bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes:  > & >> C.O.V: The older grumpier Slashdot. >    Score:5, Funny  4 > Can I steal this for my .sig? It is a real keeper! >      Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:24:51 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT). Message-ID: <3D9D7A83.5090401@nospamn.sun.com>   Atlant Schmidt wrote: * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > B >>One customer I deal with has a remove a box before putting a newA >>box into one of their main datacenters. The datacenter is by no  >>means full so whats going on.  >>- >>Ans They have run out of power and cooling.  >  > , > Add another data point to your collection: > . > At my work site, we were in exactly the same/ > situation last summer; our limitation was the + > point at which the Boston Edison (NStar?) + > Transformer vaults that feed our building  > would burst into flame.  > ) > We were not allowed to power-up any new 2 > testers without first talking to the guy looking > at the building ammeter(s).  >   / Its nice to know that Bob also doesn't know the # difference between Volts and Watts.   3 Now lest see we should all relocate our datacenters 8 to the US because all their equipment runs on 110 rather1 than 220-240 volts. Simple wasn't it the solution 1 to global warming was their under our noses, move 5 everything to the US and halve the power requirments.   3 Who is going to nominate Bob for a Nobel prize. :-)    regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 19:06:58 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>L Subject: Re: "Intel's Huge Bet Turns Iffy":  Doubts hit the mainstream (NYT)+ Message-ID: <3D9DCAB2.7030709@mail.tele.dk>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Atlant Schmidt wrote: / >> At my work site, we were in exactly the same 0 >> situation last summer; our limitation was the, >> point at which the Boston Edison (NStar?), >> Transformer vaults that feed our building >> would burst into flame. >>* >> We were not allowed to power-up any new3 >> testers without first talking to the guy looking  >> at the building ammeter(s).    1 > Its nice to know that Bob also doesn't know the % > difference between Volts and Watts.      Who is Bob ?  / And how do you come up with the conclusion that . a person not quoted do not know the difference1 between two things that are not mentiond either ?    ????  5 > Now lest see we should all relocate our datacenters : > to the US because all their equipment runs on 110 rather3 > than 220-240 volts. Simple wasn't it the solution 3 > to global warming was their under our noses, move 7 > everything to the US and halve the power requirments.  > 5 > Who is going to nominate Bob for a Nobel prize. :-)    ????   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:56:55 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 9 Subject: RE: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9724@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,   5 >>> (exposing them by divulging private material) <<<   B While I certainly had nothing to hide and/or retract from anythingH stated in the offline group discussions (as you know, I did not even chgC my .sig file for any emails), I am at least glad to see you finally  admit you did this.=20  ! Anyway, water under the bridge ..    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom       -----Original Message-----2 From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 Sent: October 4, 2002 1:00 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...       2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A6C@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .  Bill,   G <<<'Situational ethics' was all the rage 30-some years ago.  Apparently G you never developed a very good understanding of it, let alone advanced 
 beyond it.>>>   E While I certainly do not condone not telling the truth on a resume, I G also do not agree with "holier than thou" people preaching against such G acts and who like to think their ethics are above such low level deeds.   H Especially when those individuals have also strayed in the past as well.B Like publishing extracts from previously agreed private conference< discussions in a public newsgroup to suit ones own purposes.   ***   G Funny that you should bring that up so soon after my own statement that F responding to unethical behavior (your own lies) with arguably equallyF unethical behavior (exposing them by divulging private material) could@ be defensible.  But I guess you didn't bother to read that part.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 19:10:49 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vms + Message-ID: <3D9DCB99.8000502@mail.tele.dk>    Torsten Mattfeldt wrote:  1 > VMS embedded into another operating system e.g. 4 > under Windows has been called 'hobbyist' software.- > As far as I understand, one can use similar ( > commands as n VMS but keeps the basic  > operating system intact. >  > My questions:  > ! > 1. Is such a solution possible?  >  > 2. If so: where can I get it? ' >    a) for Windows32 (NT, 2000 or XP)?  >    b) for Linux?   You are mixing up two things.   4 A)  A VMS hobbyist allows you to run VMS and a whole1      bunch of VMS products for hobbyist purposes.   * B)  Several VAX simulators for PC's exist.  % I guess than A and B can be combined.    Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:14:33 -0400( From: "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vms ' Message-ID: <anki9q$hun$2@lore.csc.com>   J There is a free product (with more functional paid version) called OpenDCL5 Lite, which may be what you mean. You can find it at:   $     http://www.accelr8.com/dcll.html   Torsten Mattfeldt wrote:1 > VMS embedded into another operating system e.g. 4 > under Windows has been called 'hobbyist' software.- > As far as I understand, one can use similar ' > commands as n VMS but keeps the basic  > operating system intact. >  > My questions:  > ! > 1. Is such a solution possible?  >  > 2. If so: where can I get it? ' >    a) for Windows32 (NT, 2000 or XP)?  >    b) for Linux? > 	 > Torsten    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:12:42 -0400( From: "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vms ' Message-ID: <anki9p$hun$1@lore.csc.com>   I Perhaps you mean OpenDCL, which is available in a free (Lite) version for H Windows. I installed it on my Windows 2000 system. You can find it for a variety of OS's at:   $     http://www.accelr8.com/dcll.html   Torsten Mattfeldt wrote:1 > VMS embedded into another operating system e.g. 4 > under Windows has been called 'hobbyist' software.- > As far as I understand, one can use similar ' > commands as n VMS but keeps the basic  > operating system intact. >  > My questions:  > ! > 1. Is such a solution possible?  >  > 2. If so: where can I get it? ' >    a) for Windows32 (NT, 2000 or XP)?  >    b) for Linux? > 	 > Torsten    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 22:48:43 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: 4GB Disk Blowut $34 each ' Message-ID: <3D9D0F9B.CF9C8559@fsi.net>   
 Island wrote:  > F > Qty Seagate(DEC Branded) UW SCSI Disks with 68PIN Converter $34 each  & How ya fixed for RZ29-VAs or RZ40-VAs?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:05:08 -0400 + From: Michael Corbett <corbett@PROCESS.COM> * Subject: Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS* Message-ID: <3D9DA014.2070608@PROCESS.COM>   JF Mezei wrote:    > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > 7 >>I was able to LINK it okay. To run it, I did have to:  >># >>$ DEFINE TCPIP$DEVICE UCX$DEVICE:  >>9 >>...since I run Multinet and not UCX or TCP/IP Services.  >> > M > I guess I will have to change the code to try UCX$ if the supposed standard M > "TCPIP$DEVICE" fails. I had been told that all stacks supported the current ' > TCPIP Services programing interfaces.  >  >       @ The most recent versions of MultiNet and TCPware both define the; TCPIP$DEVICE logical.  This is not true for older versions.    regards  Mike   --  K +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ D Michael Corbett                           Email: Corbett@process.comB Process Software                          Phone: 800 722-7770 x369B 959 Concord St.                                  508 879-6994 x369= Framingham MA 01701-4682                  FAX:   508 879-0042    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 07:05:59 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)O Subject: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP server on older versions ? 3 Message-ID: <0pl6Q0M94Wpd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3D9D2D6B.1020509@tzora.co.il>, Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il> writes: J > I haven't actually done much with this, but what would putting an ACL onL > [TCPIP|UCX]$POP_SERVER.EXE limiting use to POP$SERVER do for this (and the > previous) security issue?  >   F As far as I can see, this would work fine. I noticed that someone elseF had already suggested it as well in response to the original advisory.  E Going further, I wonder if server images that are designed to be only D run in one pre-determined account should have a deny ACL set on them by their installation routine.   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:38:26 +1000: From: forMsytAhm@optusShome.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)O Subject: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP server on older versions ? 8 Message-ID: <slrnapr2u1.2tm.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>  h On 4 Oct 2002 07:05:59 -0600, Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> gushed forth:X >In article <3D9D2D6B.1020509@tzora.co.il>, Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il> writes:K >> I haven't actually done much with this, but what would putting an ACL on M >> [TCPIP|UCX]$POP_SERVER.EXE limiting use to POP$SERVER do for this (and the  >> previous) security issue? >>   > G >As far as I can see, this would work fine. I noticed that someone else G >had already suggested it as well in response to the original advisory.  >   > Yep. My initial reaction to the advisory was to slap an ACL on@ ucx$pop_server.exe. I've been running with the ACL in place withA no ill effects at all. A dir/sec of sys$system:ucx$pop_server.exe 	 yields :-    Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]    UCX$POP_SERVER.EXE;1F                      [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,R)Q           (IDENTIFIER=[UCX$AUX,UCX$POP],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL) H           (IDENTIFIER=[SYSTEM],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)(           (IDENTIFIER=[*,*],ACCESS=NONE)    0 I am however running a stone age version here...   mwf on PLAGUE >> ucx sho vers   @   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 12   on a DEC 3000 Model 300 running OpenVMS V7.1-2     mwf on PLAGUE >>         --       Ooroo 	 Mark F...   $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 02:26:50 GMT   From: "Tom M" <kryios@attbi.com>Y Subject: Re: Back to the start. What do I need to be able to access an Ingres II dbase fr , Message-ID: <K%6n9.29335$xI5.6384@sccrnsc02>  H The current version of Ingres II on Alpha VMS is 2..0 (axm) and does notL include a JDBC server component.  The next version of Ingres II on Alpha VMSJ is to be version 2.6. It is supposed to be released early next year and isL supposed to include a JDBC server.  If you have a license to run Ingres on aH PC, you can install version 2.5 or 2.6 on a PC, configure an Ingres JDBCL server on that PC and make your JDBC connection from your program running onJ the Alpha to the JDBC server running on that PC.  The PC running Ingres IIH would then communicate with Ingres II on the Alpha through Ingres net to offer access to your databases.   H Another alternative is to acquire a third party JDBC server that runs onK Alpha VMS.  A company named Caribou Lake offers one that runs on Alpha VMS. J They were offering their JDBC server quite a while before CA released one.I Their web site is  http://www.cariboulake.com  I think they offer a trial J version.  I am not currently using their product, but we did use the trial- version and didn't have any problems with it.   K Depending on the JDBC server you choose, there will be a corresponding JDBC I driver library ( a .jar file) that you need to include in your classpath. K The JDBC driver component is just another java archive so it doesn't matter L what platform it runs on, however, the driver is specific to the JDBC serverJ it communicates with.  The specifics of establishing the connection depend* on which JDBC server/driver you are using.  J I don't believe there is any JDBC-ODBC bridge available for VMS that works with Ingres.   Tom   = "Andrew Scott" <andrew.g.scott@ntlworld.com> wrote in message 7 news:ac8de108.0210030812.4a2b4e3d@posting.google.com... H > I've posted a couple of specific questions related to this subject but? > I'm returning to first principles to try and sort out what is  > required.  > E > Basically I want to find out what I need installed on our Alpha VMS B > (7.3) server in order to run a Java program against an Ingres IIB > dbase. Because it's VMS, the Ingres II dbase is off the standardG > development route i.e. it's somewhere between V2.5 and 2.6 I believe. G > So, I don't have access to the JDBC driver which I believe comes with  > 2.6. > G > I _thought_ I'd need to have ODBC drivers installed on the server. (I D > was told by someone here that they were but something's broken and! > no-one is able to assist. :-( )  > B > So I'm throwing myself at your mercy. What do I need to tell ourA > support people to install and what do they/I need to configure?  >  > Thanks > Andrew Scott   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:11:40 -0700, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com># Subject: Disable access log on CSWS 4 Message-ID: <ankejt$eu3pe$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  L Anyone know how to do this?  For our strictly internal web services it's notE necessary and keeps showing up in the performance data as a hot file.    Thanks,  Jim   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:03:13 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> ' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWS 2 Message-ID: <scmdPVS1eoboRz+i+KiQ0jwmjM2C@4ax.com>  / Look for the CustomLog directive in httpd.conf.    David   3 On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:11:40 -0700, "James Gessling"  <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote:  M >Anyone know how to do this?  For our strictly internal web services it's not F >necessary and keeps showing up in the performance data as a hot file. > 
 >Thanks,  Jim  >    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 01:31:49 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters 3 Message-ID: <RFGPkD7ap4z5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D971E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > Todd,  > I >>>> This demonstrates that not only must OpenVMS respond to the disaster F > tolerant configurations, but the network connections and distributedD > applications must also be designed with site disaster tolerance in
 > mind.<<< > H > With respect to the applications part, this is what RTR is designed toC > do i.e. distributed fault tolerant solutions. As a fyi, it is now $ > bundled as part of the OpenVMS OS.   On both VAX and Alpha ?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:36:28 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9721@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Larry,   >>> On both VAX and Alpha ?<<<  
 Reference:. http://www.compaq.com/info/SP5104/SP5104PF.PDFB "Reliable Transaction Router (RTR) is fault tolerant transactionalF messaging middleware used to implement large, distributed applicationsD using client/server technology. This version of Reliable TransactionH Router enables enterprises to deploy distributed applications on OpenVMS Alpha and VAX systems."   F See pointer for additional VAX specific info (VAX/VMS V7.3, V7.2, V6.2
 supported)   :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Solutions Architect  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=20  Sent: October 4, 2002 3:32 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters     
 In articleH <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D971E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>+ , "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:  > Todd,  >=20C >>>> This demonstrates that not only must OpenVMS respond to the=20 
 >>>> disaster I > tolerant configurations, but the network connections and distributed=20 G > applications must also be designed with site disaster tolerance in=20 
 > mind.<<< >=20H > With respect to the applications part, this is what RTR is designed to  F > do i.e. distributed fault tolerant solutions. As a fyi, it is now=20$ > bundled as part of the OpenVMS OS.   On both VAX and Alpha ?    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 11:58:01 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: RE: Disaster-Tolerant clusters 3 Message-ID: <Pj87+txEAk1K@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9721@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > Larry, >  >>>> On both VAX and Alpha ?<<<  >  > Reference:0 > http://www.compaq.com/info/SP5104/SP5104PF.PDFD > "Reliable Transaction Router (RTR) is fault tolerant transactionalH > messaging middleware used to implement large, distributed applicationsF > using client/server technology. This version of Reliable TransactionJ > Router enables enterprises to deploy distributed applications on OpenVMS > Alpha and VAX systems."  > H > See pointer for additional VAX specific info (VAX/VMS V7.3, V7.2, V6.2 > supported)  I I was interested in whether it is bundled with VMS on both VAX and Alpha. : I know the X.500 Directory Service bundling is Alpha-only.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 00:43 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: FDL Files, Message-ID: <4OCT200200433687@gerg.tamu.edu>  7 lederman@encompasserve.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.org writes... V }In article <upni9t8m66jrda@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com> writes: } 1 }>I am working with some ancient code on OpenVMS.  }>J }>The code is basically in C but  for report writing and displaying on the2 }>screen we some formatting done with help of .FDL }> }>files. }>N }>Now.....I am not getting the basic idea how this fomatting is done using the }>FDL files. }> }>SFORM   Node Report  }>        TYPE    SCROLLABLE- }>        CENTER_TITLE    Node Summary Report  }>        CARGO   CCCG_rpt_node ( }>        HDCPY_CARGO     CCCG_rptH_node }  } ? }This does not look like an FDL (File Definition Language) file + }as we normally understand them on OpenVMS.  } ? }FDL files describe the organization and characteristics of RMS 4 }files.  I've never seen one used for a screen form. } < }This looks as if it was part of some other package, such as8 }TeX, or some other screen formatting or text processing  ) It doesn't look lime Tex, no backslashes.   ; }package.  (It doesn't look like FMS to me.  I never worked 9 }with TDMS or any of the other screen formatting packages $ }supplied by Digital / Compaq / HP.) }-- ) } B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only   E It is some sort of form definition language file. It is not quite the B same in style as what I remember for the old DECforms package, butD not too different. It should be defining forms for displaying, whichE involves defining data types, how those data types are grouped (which B may, or may not, correspond to structures in the calling program),A where to display it on the page, what static data there is (text, @ lines, maybe graphics in general) and where it is to be shown on the page, and stuff like that.  G A sample of a DECforms source file I made long ago to see how it worked   (This is only part of the file):   Form ADDRESS_FORM   
     Form Data "         MODIFIED Unsigned Longword         Group PAGE             NAME Character(40)!             ADDRESS Character(20)              CITY Character(20)             STATE Character(2)!             ZIP_CODE Character(5)              APT Character(5)&             PHONE_NUMBER Character(10)%             NET_ADDRESS Character(50)              BIRTH_DAY Date         End Group          Group INDEX              Occurs 28              NAME Character(80)         End Group      End Data       Form Record PAGE_DATA          Group PAGE             NAME Character(40)!             ADDRESS Character(20)              CITY Character(20)             STATE Character(2)!             ZIP_CODE Character(5)              APT Character(5)&             PHONE_NUMBER Character(10)%             NET_ADDRESS Character(50)              BIRTH_DAY Date         End Group      End Record [etc.]     Layout ADDRESS_LAYOUT          Device             Terminal                 Type %VT200          End Device#         Size 40 Lines by 80 Columns          Display Viewport             %Terminal_Width_80  !         List STATE_LIST Exactcase              "AL"             "AK"F [etc., including various icon, viewport, panel, and field definitions]  E which defines a form for an address book type application for display > on a VT220 compatible output device with 40 rows & 80 columns.  3 Similar, but not quite the same as what you've got.   B So you need to find out what add-on form package you are using and@ find the documentation for it. If you are lucky, you may be ableE to find out what software it is by just typing HELP and going through F the list of things looking for anything related to forms (DECforms hadC help under FORMS or something like that). If that is no help, check 7 SYS$HELP for release notes, SHOW LICENSE for a license, < PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY * and TYPE SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORYC to check what has been installed, and suchlike. Or it may be easier  to ask someone...    --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:03:34 -0500, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>* Subject: Re: HP-UX and Tru64 UNIX  webcast+ Message-ID: <ankd9b$qde$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>   F It's a good topic, but HP-UX, Tru64, and Linux, A Side by Side by Side  Comparison would be even better.  L Contrary to popular belief, Alpha's demise is some number of years from now,G and Tru64, like VMS, is a good product that runs well on Alpha and will K continue doing so for the next few years, during which time Linux will gain J some maturity.  By honestly comparing both HP-UX and Linux with Tru64, itsI customers who could take advantage of something in HP-UX that won't be in L Linux would see it, and its customers who could move to Linux would see HP'sJ transition help for Linux on ProLiant servers before they instinctively go for PowerEdge.  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541  scandora@cmt.anl.gov  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:dnZm9.131529$q41.4319@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...2 > HP-UX and Tru64 UNIX  A Side by Side Comparison/ >  Overview and Standalone Administration Focus  > I > In response to high demand for a webcast offered this past August, this K > session is being offered once again to Customers. Two additional sessions  > are scheduled: > 0 > When: Wednesday, Oct 16th at 10 -11:30am ET or( >  Wednesday, Oct 16th at 7  8:30 pm ET > , > Registration and Agenda details are below. >  > Session Overview: C > No operating system is more critical to enterprise customers than 	 UNIX(tm), K > with its ability to deliver robust, mission-critical solutions.  Upon the J > merger of HP and Compaq, HP is now the largest UNIX vendor in the world,B > with more than two million HP-UX and Tru64(tm)UNIX installations
 worldwide.G > You, our valued Tru64(tm)UNIX customers, have expressed some concerns  about L > the differences between these operating systems, and how those differences& > will affect your operational staffs. > L > As HP moves to consolidate its Enterprise UNIX offerings around HP-UX withG > Tru64(tm) UNIX features on Itanium(tm), it is important for you to be  aware L > of the technical differences and similarities between HP Tru64 UNIX and HPK > HP-UX.  This webcast will explore and compare the two UNIXs in influences K > and evolution, kernel facilities, installation and system administration, F > device management, resource management and clustering.  This talk isE > intended to leave the audience with an appreciation of the relative J > strengths of both UNIX operating systems and many similarities that will- > provide an ease-of-evolution going forward.  > K > Delivery: This session will be delivered via the web using the HP Virtual ? > Classroom together with audio teleconferencing via the phone.  > E > Registration: To register for one of these sessions and learn more: H > <http://www.hpbroadband.com> and enter your email address, country and' > company and the key word "tru64unix".  >  > 10:00 AM ET is) >   8:00 AM in Colorado Springs, Colorado  >   9:00 AM in Houston, Texas  >   3:00 PM in London, England >   4:00 PM in Munich, Germany >  > 7:00 PM ET is & >   7:00 AM in Singapore and Hong Kong, >   8:00 AM in Tokyo, Japan and Seoul, Korea# >   9:00 AM in Melbourne, Australia % >   11:00 AM in Auckland, New Zealand ( >       4:00 PM in Cupertino, California > & > Session Agenda 1  1.5 hrs in length# > - Road maps for HP UNIX offerings ! > - Releases, chips and platforms  > - How different or alike? # >        o Common UNIX is UNIX core 6 >        o Functionally equivalent enterprise features- >        o Differentiating value-add features ! > - Device Management and Storage  >        o Journal File Systems . > - Administrative Frameworks and Installation* >        o System Administration Framework( >        o SMP and Platform Partitioning+ >        o Resource Management  Frameworks  > - Clustering+ >        o TruClusters and MC/Service Guard  > - Latest Enterprise Features > 6 > Open questions and answers (15-30 minutes in length) >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 18:16:40 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>R Subject: Re: Java 1.3.1. Failing to run a program trying to access an Ingres dbase+ Message-ID: <3D9DBEE8.8080204@mail.tele.dk>    Tom M wrote:  < > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message' > news:3D9C4E18.5070804@mail.tele.dk...  >>Tom M wrote:B >>>try { Class.forName("ca.edbc.jdbc.EdbcDriver").newInstance(); }  0 >>Not that it has any relevanve for the original2 >>question, but: why are you calling newInstance ?  H > In some environments, particularly applets in IE, it won't work if you > don't.   Very weird.   4 I believe you. But something is not following specs.   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:03:39 +0200+ From: Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch.remove> 1 Subject: Re: LCD monitors on OpenVMS workstations 7 Message-ID: <20021004110339.000e39c8.rob@bbp.ch.remove>    Hi  E > Of course you are provided with Window(tm) and Mac utils to provide D > a test pattern to make this adjustment, which as far as I can tell" > is a series of white/black bars.  @ An alternative on VMS would be to temporarily set the backgroundC pattern of your DECwindows to a chessboard like pattern and iconize E all windows. Then do the auto-setup. This has worked fine for me with * an AlphaStation 250 and a Compaq TFT-7020.   Greetings, Roland   F --------------- bbp - Biveroni Batschelet Partners AG ----------------:              Bahnhofstrasse 28, CH-5401 Baden, SwitzerlandF ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 19:20:29 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>" Subject: Marvel performance ??????& Message-ID: <3D9DCDDD.6090605@home.nl>  P Has anyone heard or seen any performance figures of OpenVMS on Marvel hardware? P I at least haven't seen anything, and I'm sure something should be known by now.  N I did hear a rumour that those figures are so spectacular that publication is O surpressed. Why you may ask? Well, some managers may not feel that comfortable  O now about certain decisions that were taken regarding the wonderfull new Intel    future that lies before us......   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:56:12 +0200, From: "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com>! Subject: Re: mouning floppy drive . Message-ID: <ank6lt$k9b$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>  $ By 'normal' i mean MS-DOS format ...  < "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> schreef in bericht- news:ebwtJtfpxBCK@eisner.encompasserve.org... @ > In article <ank4di$jke$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>, "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> writes: > >:- > > I am trying to mount a normal floppy disks >g >    define "normal":b >h >    1) MS-DOS format  >    2) Mac format >    3) Files-11 ODS-2 >    4) ...h >yK >    VMS understands Files-11 ODS-1, Files-11 ODS-2, High Sierra, ISO 9960,h? >    and Files-11 ODS-5, none of which are common for floppies.w > F >    There's free software on the 'net and software in Pathworks which+ >    understand various MS-DOS FAT formats.a >t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:46:58 -0400 From: <rob@netcarrier.net> Subject: Mount ISO Image9 Message-ID: <vhin9.385$oF1.117534761@news.netcarrier.net>l  
         Hi  -  Is there a tool to mount ISO images for VMS?U1  I'm using the VCD tool on Windows to Test Images 2  But it would be neat to test right on the VMS box                                Thankss                            Rob   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:16:57 +0200C From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de>  Subject: RE: Mount ISO Image> Message-ID: <00A14F5A.B064BCAB.4@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>  . > Is there a tool to mount ISO images for VMS?2 > I'm using the VCD tool on Windows to Test Images3 > But it would be neat to test right on the VMS boxc  - Install the lddriver (free from HP) and type:g   $ ld conn x.iso  $ mount/ov=id/media=cdrom ldan:p $ dir ldan:[*...]n $ dism ldan: $ld disc ldan:  & eberhard                                 ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:14:31 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>f Subject: Re: netscape,, Message-ID: <3D9D69EF.1050004@theblakes.com>   Phillip Sobottke wrote:A  H >I'm having trouble getting netscape to connect to the internet.  I haveJ >configured tcp/ip, but am not sure if I used the right addresses.  I haveJ >all the info for my ethernet card, router, and internet provider.  I haveH >DSL with a linksys router, should I be using a static IP address?  WhenM >trying to connect, netscape tells me there is no DNS entry.  Thanks for yourM >support >?	 Try this:-  " $ telnet www.openvms.compaq.com 80 GET FRED  F If you connect and get back a "400 Bad Request" error message in HTML E then you know the network is set up fine and that you have a browser e configuration problem.  C If you don't connect then your network is not configured correctly.r   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 11:12:03 +0100oC From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)'. Subject: New location of the DVDwrite homepage- Message-ID: <3d9d5b63.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>t   Hi,s  rE Finally I'm managed to get rid of this nasty IP-Number of my DVDwritec	 homepage.v   Now use.  u http://home.tiscali.de/dvdwrite:  eE to learn about DVDwriting under OpenVMS. You'll find some interestinge information in the News.   regardsr Eberhard  r   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 08:10:49 -0700 # From: wmarsh@etrade.com (Wil Marsh)s  Subject: Re: OpenView on OpenVMS= Message-ID: <36f52bd6.0210040710.5e614bb7@posting.google.com>s  h koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<P6sRv8YF2jv2@eisner.encompasserve.org>...t > In article <muLm9.126813$q41.103681@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Yong Liu" <fdu9774@rogers.com> writes: > > Hi,c > > J > > we are planning to have an island made up of Alpha servers and anotherJ > > island of regular HP workstation merged. Do you know if OpenView, HP's: > > network management software,  works on OpenVMS island. > H >    IIRC OpenView works with just about any TCP/IP stack.  But it won'tG >    help you manage DECnet or any other non-IP stack if you have thoset >    in use.D We are using a product from Comtek Services to provide SNMP traps to4 Openview. Works well. http://www.comtekservices.com/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:16:18 +0200$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?+ Message-ID: <00A14F5A.98E6F571.15@decus.de>n  3 "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:e  8 > Michael Rice <MichaelARice@no-spam.knology.net> wrote:B > > Good to know...although I still don't have anywhere to get the media. >-C > I would assume that you can buy a Media Kit from HP, I know I was? able to= > buy 7.2-1H1 from Compaq. >u > Zane   1000, 2000, 3000, ... US-$ ???  D If I remember correctly the CD-ROM kits offered by DEC/Compaq/HP areF quite expensive and only available to subscribers of an update serviceE contract. (Kits without a subscription contract may be available as alF "first media kit" for new customers having just bought an Alpha server or a workstation.)   Michael    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:03:25 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>t& Subject: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Linker question: Message-ID: <NHdn9.16538$%P2.832205@news20.bellglobal.com>   Folks,  I We are in the process of upgrading our four OpenVMS systems from 7.2-1 to K 7.3-1 when we ran into a very little problem. Our development system is now J at 7.3-1 while our production system is at 7.2-1. Images linked on the newF system can't be run on the old system and receive the following error:  2 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image SECURESHRP -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file3 KAWC15$DKB0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]SECURESHRP.EXE : -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image  H We can easily get around this problem by copying the object files to theE production machine then linking them over there, but one program is a0L monster which requires linkage with a large number of object files scattered through many sub directories.r  C Does anyone know of any linker switch that can be used to create an1< executable which will run on a lower dot version of OpenVMS?  F p.s. Aside from this little snag, OpenVMS 7.3-1 is really neat and theL upgrade was fast (under 40 minutes). My only complaint is that they replacedI the beautiful DIGITAL logo on the Motif login screen with a 'sub standarde@ looking' COMPAQ logo. Maybe HP will remedy this with a patch :-)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,C Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/&   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:04:29 -0700, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Linker question4 Message-ID: <ank3kv$eq5s5$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message4 news:NHdn9.16538$%P2.832205@news20.bellglobal.com... > Folks, >mK > We are in the process of upgrading our four OpenVMS systems from 7.2-1 toeI > 7.3-1 when we ran into a very little problem. Our development system ise nowoL > at 7.3-1 while our production system is at 7.2-1. Images linked on the newH > system can't be run on the old system and receive the following error: >t4 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image SECURESHRP > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file5 > KAWC15$DKB0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]SECURESHRP.EXEe< > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image >s  + You have a couple ways around this problem:w  L 1) copy the object files to your production system and link there.  Although you said this would be inconvenient.sJ 2) copy the 7.2-1 secureshrp.exe to your development system, then define a logical nameH to point to it and link.  Likely you will get a similar error on another
 shareable, soa repeat until link is clean.dG 3) always upgrade VMS on your production system first, since the systemb
 shareables are upward compatible.  L I prefer #3, even though it may seem risky to put the new (untested) version of VMS into8J production.  A good argument for a third system, used for production test. #1 may be a hassleJ but is workable. #2 is a real can of worms and I've never seen it actually used.e   Jimt  I p.s. when I worked for the (unnamed) database software company we shippedf object files (#2)    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 08:42:11 -0600r- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Linker question3 Message-ID: <O53a59aw7lBI@eisner.encompasserve.org>N  f In article <NHdn9.16538$%P2.832205@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > E > Does anyone know of any linker switch that can be used to create an > > executable which will run on a lower dot version of OpenVMS?  D    It can be done, but it's not the linker's fault and you shouldn'tF    tyry to work around it that way.  The image activator is correctly @    telling you that you have attempted downward migration for a <    shareable image that has intentionally been marked as not    downward compatable.i  G    Your best bet is to copy the old shareable image from the productionlE    system to some development directory on the development system andeE    link against that until the production system can be brought up tof    date.  C    VMS has always been very good at upward compatability, but if ite@    tried to always preserve downward compatability we'd still be8    seeing the same capabilities as VMS 1.0 on an 11/780.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:41:42 GMT  From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>-* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 Linker question2 Message-ID: <87zntui56y.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  + "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:-   (snip)J > We can easily get around this problem by copying the object files to theG > production machine then linking them over there, but one program is aeN > monster which requires linkage with a large number of object files scattered > through many sub directories.:  ? Many excellent suggestions w/t/t/ fixing downward compatibilitywH issues. A side question is suggested in the preceeding line: do you haveM a MAKE utility installed? If not, please consider directing a portion of yourc; development efforts towards supporting that program in youre environment.  E If you don't want to buy MMS from HP, there are several free versions  available for VMS.     Cheers,    jec- -- - Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:20:24 +0100m' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy$! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategicC. Message-ID: <3D9D7978.3020409@nospamn.sun.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >=20 >> John Smith wrote: >>J >>> Related to my 1st  question above - have any IBM or Sun shops actuall= yf >>> received these brochures?P >> >>. >> Would it make any difference if they had ?? >=20 >=20 > Pretty dum question. >=20. > How many posts have you read here asking for% > more and broader marketing of VMS ?  >=20 > Probably just a few hundred !1 >=20* > So yes - it would please a lot of people+ > to hear that every IBM and SUN based shop  > has gotten that brochure.d >=20  6 So you make no distinction whatsover between effective- marketing and marketing that is ineffectual !c   Unsuprising.  / This is a horribly tactical marketing programmei2 it is all about getting customers who have planned: OpenVMS purchases to bring them forward into this quarter.  ; Given its short validity and the target base it is unlikelyn9 to have any impact on Sun/IBM shops, unless they also buyE6 OpenVMS, have a purchase in the pipeline and happen to7 have some decommisioned IBM/Sun boxes that they can use-7 to make HP eat some more margin. Since all of this is at: bit of a long shot you can see that the difference between4 effective marketing and ineffective marketing is all
 important.  9 If you can think of one single valid reason why a Sun/IBM37 account that does not have any OpenVMS systems would be8? interested in this marketing programme then please advance them:3 otherwise my point which was short and to the pointg stands.P   Regardsb Andrew Harrison:   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 08:32:13 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategic93 Message-ID: <YtjzdKBUxi6J@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  X In article <3D9D76AF.1010000@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > E > 3.	Can you think of any reason why this kind of offer will be of novK > interest to Sun/IBM customers except if they are also OpenVMS customers ?t > M > I hope so. If they arn't OpenVMS customers already then the chances of themlJ > making their minds up for a change of platform and doing it plus issuingK > the order in a timeframe that will fall inside the offer period is almostm > nil.  >    So Sun has no hopes of attracting existing IBM, HP, or Dell:    customers, each of which would have to change platform?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 08:35:16 -0600a- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)y! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategicS3 Message-ID: <xs+wNNu2pFx1@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  X In article <3D9D7978.3020409@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:  ; > If you can think of one single valid reason why a Sun/IBMm9 > account that does not have any OpenVMS systems would bel( > interested in this marketing programme      How about 3 valid reasons:e      1) security    2) reliabilityi    3) ease of useo  E    You haven't been listening, have you?  CIOs have changed platforms$I    and they have become aware of the increasing manpower cost of Windows a    and UNIX based solutions.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 14:43:18 GMTw( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategic 5 Message-ID: <ank9e6$f8hqo$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   & In article <H3FqIo.Kr0@world.std.com>,0 	bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes: > K >                       It's about as likely as a company running primarilyV' >     on OpenVMS changing over to Unix.  >   D I don't know how to break this to you, but not only does this happenF all the time, the current owners of VMS are pushing it.  Or do you see0 the forced migration to HPUX as something else??   bill   -- TJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 19:03:10 +0200f@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategic + Message-ID: <3D9DC9CE.7070605@mail.tele.dk>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Arne Vajhj wrote:+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:e >>> John Smith wrote:9K >>>> Related to my 1st  question above - have any IBM or Sun shops actuallys >>>> received these brochures?    / >>> Would it make any difference if they had ??s     >> Pretty dum question.r >>/ >> How many posts have you read here asking fora& >> more and broader marketing of VMS ? >>  >> Probably just a few hundred ! >>+ >> So yes - it would please a lot of peopleo, >> to hear that every IBM and SUN based shop >> has gotten that brochure.    8 > So you make no distinction whatsover between effective/ > marketing and marketing that is ineffectual !  >  > Unsuprising. > 1 > This is a horribly tactical marketing programmef4 > it is all about getting customers who have planned< > OpenVMS purchases to bring them forward into this quarter. > = > Given its short validity and the target base it is unlikely ; > to have any impact on Sun/IBM shops, unless they also buyA8 > OpenVMS, have a purchase in the pipeline and happen to9 > have some decommisioned IBM/Sun boxes that they can uset9 > to make HP eat some more margin. Since all of this is an< > bit of a long shot you can see that the difference between6 > effective marketing and ineffective marketing is all > important. > ; > If you can think of one single valid reason why a Sun/IBM 9 > account that does not have any OpenVMS systems would beeA > interested in this marketing programme then please advance themi5 > otherwise my point which was short and to the pointi	 > stands.a   What part of :  * # So yes - it would please a lot of people+ # to hear that every IBM and SUN based shopB # has gotten that brochure.M  & is for complex for you to understand ?  % It is the signal value not the sale !w   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 22:24:59 -0500p1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!' Message-ID: <3D9D0A0B.C79DED08@fsi.net>    Fabio Cardoso wrote: > / > I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from my 0 > datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP).* > How can I configure the LPR queues in my. > local server to print in the LAT printers in8 > the other (remote) server ? I searched comp.os.vms and$ > didnt find any useful information. >  > Ex:v > 7 > (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2 ----> 
 > LAT PrinterB  F If I understand your query correctly, you want to print from a machineB with TCP/IP to a machine without TCP/IP (regardless of whether the= target queue processor is PRTSYM or LATSYM - it would make not fundamental difference).  A Obviously, a machine with no TCP/IP cannot accept an incoming LPD  connection request.-  G All I can suggest is to look into DQS. That will require routing DECnetm to the remote site, however.  C If, on the other hand, the question is TCP/IP -> TCP/IP, the target@E queues are LATSYM queues, that's a different critter. Not sure how tolF pull that off, but it may have something to with pointing the queue(s)H on "Server 1" to the counter part queue(s) on "Server 2". Dunno - been a. while since I tried to pull a stunt like that.   -- m David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:22:17 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)j2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!+ Message-ID: <anjtl9$f98$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>s  [ In article <3D9D0A0B.C79DED08@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:, >Fabio Cardoso wrote:- >> -0 >> I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from my1 >> datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP).u+ >> How can I configure the LPR queues in myg/ >> local server to print in the LAT printers in 9 >> the other (remote) server ? I searched comp.os.vms and0% >> didnt find any useful information.< >> . >> Ex: >> w8 >> (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2 ----> >> LAT Printer >nG >If I understand your query correctly, you want to print from a machinesC >with TCP/IP to a machine without TCP/IP (regardless of whether thes> >target queue processor is PRTSYM or LATSYM - it would make no >fundamental difference).  >dB >Obviously, a machine with no TCP/IP cannot accept an incoming LPD >connection request. >sH >All I can suggest is to look into DQS. That will require routing DECnet >to the remote site, however.t >0D >If, on the other hand, the question is TCP/IP -> TCP/IP, the targetF >queues are LATSYM queues, that's a different critter. Not sure how toG >pull that off, but it may have something to with pointing the queue(s) I >on "Server 1" to the counter part queue(s) on "Server 2". Dunno - been aF/ >while since I tried to pull a stunt like that.e >t  = We do the latter all the time from some SUN systems to queuestJ running on a VMS system pointing at either LAT queues or TCPIP queues on a Novell system.  J (The reason for the redirection of the TCPIP queues is that the Old NovellO system requires the remote printer name to include the full NDS context and the3M old Solaris system's lpr/lpd only allows this field to contain a printer name N upto 14 characters long. The VMS systems doesn't have this restriction hence a. little bit of redirection solves the problem).  1 To get this to work with Dec TCPIP services / UCX   . 1) On server 2 setup print queue using LAT etc   2) mcr lprsetup       setup queue as local queue    3) On server 1 s      mcr lprsetupr  !    setup remote queue specifying A  $    remote machine (rm) to be server2  ?    remote printer (rp) to be the printer queue name on server 2d    M Then any print to the queue on server1 will be passed by lpr to the lpd queue>4 on server2 and will then print off on the lat queue.    G (for our TCPIP redirection to the novell systems steps 1 and 2 are justi replaced byo       mcr lprsetupd  !    setup remote queue specifying l  I    remote machine (rm) to be on novell server running Unix print services   N    remote printer (rp) to be the printer queue name exported by Novell server.     )t  D You can chain as many lpr - lpd - lpr - lpd  s together as you wish.K Though obviously each one of these links introduces an additional potential: point of failure.c  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:54:05 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!? Message-ID: <20021004155405.3638.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>R   Davidr  4 my two OVMS servers have TCPIP ! The proplem is: one5 of my servers have just LAT printers (the prinserversu dont have TCPIP, just LAT).e   Regardse   FC y  6 --- "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > 1 > > I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from my.2 > > datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP)., > > How can I configure the LPR queues in my0 > > local server to print in the LAT printers in6 > > the other (remote) server ? I searched comp.os.vms > andn& > > didnt find any useful information. > >  > > Ex:  > > 3 > > (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2l > ---->  > > LAT PrinterL > 3 > If I understand your query correctly, you want toe > print from a machine5 > with TCP/IP to a machine without TCP/IP (regardlessj > of whether the1 > target queue processor is PRTSYM or LATSYM - it> > would make no  > fundamental difference). > 6 > Obviously, a machine with no TCP/IP cannot accept an > incoming LPD > connection request.e > 2 > All I can suggest is to look into DQS. That will > require routing DECnet > to the remote site, however. > 2 > If, on the other hand, the question is TCP/IP -> > TCP/IP, the target. > queues are LATSYM queues, that's a different > critter. Not sure how to2 > pull that off, but it may have something to with > pointing the queue(s)o/ > on "Server 1" to the counter part queue(s) on) > "Server 2". Dunno - been a0 > while since I tried to pull a stunt like that. >  > -- i > David J. Dachteras > dba DJE SystemsI > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/      =====m ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!e http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:05:16 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!@ Message-ID: <20021004160516.87032.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>   DAvid   3 I did it ! It worked, but in may LAT OpenVMS serverc0 the TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE comes .... with a lot of job errors.d    0 Server queue TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE, idle, on C16000::, mounted form DEFAULT  4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------)    5917  CFA001C16001_EP_PETROBRAS_COM_BR 6                          TCPIP$LPD         1  Retained on error/        %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 07649FF2 3          Completed  4-OCT-2002 13:00:53.81 on queue  TCPIP$LPD_QUEUEr)    5918  CFA002C16001_EP_PETROBRAS_COM_BR 6                          TCPIP$LPD         1  Retained on error/        %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 07649FF2_3          Completed  4-OCT-2002 13:00:57.34 on queuee TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE 0 --- David Webb <david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:3 > In article <3D9D0A0B.C79DED08@fsi.net>, "David J.a+ > Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > >Fabio Cardoso wrote:T > >>  2 > >> I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from my3 > >> datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP).a- > >> How can I configure the LPR queues in my 1 > >> local server to print in the LAT printers inc+ > >> the other (remote) server ? I searched) > comp.os.vms andD' > >> didnt find any useful information.A > >>   > >> Ex: > >>  4 > >> (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2 > ---->e > >> LAT Printer > >n4 > >If I understand your query correctly, you want to > print from a machine6 > >with TCP/IP to a machine without TCP/IP (regardless > of whether the2 > >target queue processor is PRTSYM or LATSYM - it > would make no" > >fundamental difference).o > >e4 > >Obviously, a machine with no TCP/IP cannot accept > an incoming LPDs > >connection request. > >i3 > >All I can suggest is to look into DQS. That willo > require routing DECnet > >to the remote site, however.  > >e3 > >If, on the other hand, the question is TCP/IP ->c > TCP/IP, the target/ > >queues are LATSYM queues, that's a different, > critter. Not sure how to3 > >pull that off, but it may have something to withh > pointing the queue(s)s0 > >on "Server 1" to the counter part queue(s) on > "Server 2". Dunno - been a1 > >while since I tried to pull a stunt like that.P > >r > 5 > We do the latter all the time from some SUN systemsS > to queuesP0 > running on a VMS system pointing at either LAT > queues or TCPIP queues on ar > Novell system. > 5 > (The reason for the redirection of the TCPIP queues- > is that the Old Novell4 > system requires the remote printer name to include > the full NDS context and the5 > old Solaris system's lpr/lpd only allows this fieldo > to contain a printer name 2 > upto 14 characters long. The VMS systems doesn't > have this restriction hence ab0 > little bit of redirection solves the problem). > 3 > To get this to work with Dec TCPIP services / UCX, > 0 > 1) On server 2 setup print queue using LAT etc >  > 2) mcr lprsetup  >  >    setup queue as local queuei >  > 3) On server 1 t >  >    mcr lprsetupp > # >    setup remote queue specifying s > & >    remote machine (rm) to be server2 > 5 >    remote printer (rp) to be the printer queue namet
 > on server 2  >  > 0 > Then any print to the queue on server1 will be  > passed by lpr to the lpd queue6 > on server2 and will then print off on the lat queue. >  > 2 > (for our TCPIP redirection to the novell systems > steps 1 and 2 are just
 > replaced bya >    >    mcr lprsetup. > # >    setup remote queue specifying . > / >    remote machine (rm) to be on novell servern > running Unix print servicesm > 5 >    remote printer (rp) to be the printer queue namew > exported by Novell server. >  >  > )e > 0 > You can chain as many lpr - lpd - lpr - lpd  s > together as you wish. 5 > Though obviously each one of these links introduces0 > an additional potential  > point of failure.T >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >      =====s ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?) New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!X http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 05:50:47 -0700c From: tironef@yahoo.comi4 Subject: Re: Originator of detached process from DCL= Message-ID: <a159f330.0210040450.740971da@posting.google.com>s  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D9D1A59.2023785E@videotron.ca>...nJ > > > I can tell that I'm running as a detached process as JOBTYPE=0.  TheG > > > MASTER_PID points to the detached process when I need to know whob > > > created it.n >  > F$GETJPI(mypid, "UIC") > F$GETJPI(mypid, "USERNAME")e > L > The UIC is the UIC in effect at the time the "father" created the detached > process. t > N > Consider an experiment I did today: killled TCPIP$POP process, and magicallyG > "someone" recreated it. (I suspect TCPIP$INETACP process). Obviously,i* > TCPIP$INETACP has all mighty privileges. > N > But for me, when I want to create a detacted process that runs on a specific > account, I use aL > SUBMIT/USER=username STARTUP.COM   where STARTUP.COM is the procedure thatN > acually creates the detached process, running under that account.  Otherwise< > RUN/DETACHED will put your UIC into the new process's UIC.  	 JF Mezei,   1 I tried your suggestion and here are the results: + $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$GETJPI("", "UIC")'":
 [MIS,TIRONEF]n0 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$GETJPI("", "USERNAME")'" TIRONEFn  @ I'm trying to determine which process or application created theA detached process.  This job can be just submitted or created as anF detached process from a process named ABATEMGR.  If my job is run from, ABATEMGR, I need to do additional procssing.   Thanks,   Franki   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:35:51 -0400t& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>4 Subject: Re: Originator of detached process from DCL5 Message-ID: <fEhn9.3856$34.258789@newsfeed.slurp.net>e  I VAXman, as usual, is correct here.  SYS$CREPRC does not store the PID of JH the calling/creator process anywhere that the new process might be able D to use.  If you have control over the way the detached process gets D created you could use the process name to pass data to the detached  process.   $ pid = F$GETJPI("","PID")
 $ RUN/DEATCH aJ SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE/INPUT=disk:[dir]file.ext/PROCESS_NAME="''pid'"/...   system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:Y > In article <a159f330.0210040450.740971da@posting.google.com>, tironef@yahoo.com writes:F > c >>JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D9D1A59.2023785E@videotron.ca>...n >>I >>>>>I can tell that I'm running as a detached process as JOBTYPE=0.  TheAF >>>>>MASTER_PID points to the detached process when I need to know who >>>>>created it. >>>> >>>F$GETJPI(mypid, "UIC"){ >>>F$GETJPI(mypid, "USERNAME") >>>eM >>>The UIC is the UIC in effect at the time the "father" created the detacheds >>>process.  >>>yO >>>Consider an experiment I did today: killled TCPIP$POP process, and magicallytH >>>"someone" recreated it. (I suspect TCPIP$INETACP process). Obviously,+ >>>TCPIP$INETACP has all mighty privileges.- >>>-O >>>But for me, when I want to create a detacted process that runs on a specific  >>>account, I use M >>>SUBMIT/USER=username STARTUP.COM   where STARTUP.COM is the procedure that3O >>>acually creates the detached process, running under that account.  Otherwiset= >>>RUN/DETACHED will put your UIC into the new process's UIC.u >> >>JF Mezei,f >>3 >>I tried your suggestion and here are the results:n- >>$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$GETJPI("", "UIC")'"  >>[MIS,TIRONEF]a2 >>$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$GETJPI("", "USERNAME")'"	 >>TIRONEFz >>B >>I'm trying to determine which process or application created theC >>detached process.  This job can be just submitted or created as a H >>detached process from a process named ABATEMGR.  If my job is run from. >>ABATEMGR, I need to do additional procssing. >>	 >>Thanks,- >> >>Frank- >  >  > N > I do not believe there is any supported way to do this.  VMS itself does notO > maintain anything in the job/process structures that could be used to reflectrO > the evolution of a process of this type.  Only a subprocess maintains any in-d3 > formation regarding its origin -- the master PID.  > O > I once needed to do this for a customer and I'd developed a $CREPRC hook thatbC > would create a job logical with this information for easy access.h >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt
 >            u7 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" u >    -- lC Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY-I        - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanoI        - Mark.Jilson@hp.com                            - since 1975 or sodI        - http://www.jilly.baka.com           - http://www.brettbodine.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:22:17 -0500, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's+ Message-ID: <ankd9c$qde$2@milo.mcs.anl.gov>t  G The lightest installation would be SMBCLIENT and any TCP/IP on your VMS1L system; either UCX or MultiNet will do, and if you have an older system withD one of the older TCP/IP products, it will likely work, too.  I thinkJ SMBCLIENT requires the DEC C runtime, which you have to get (free download5 from HP) and install yourself on VMS 5.5-2 and older.   
 Good luck,1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541  scandora@cmt.anl.gov  5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messager/ news:4d%m9.14432$H67.66475@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...e > Hi > Thanks for this. >1K > I would probably go with SMB. I read a bit about samba and smbclient, and  > have a question:J > Do I need some process running on the system, in order to use smbclient?I > It looks like there must be something, just like I need UCX or Multinet J > running to use FTP (with TCP/IP), I need Samba to use SBMCLIENT with SMB > protocol.+ >0 > Am I getting this right?H > What would be the "lighter" installation, just enough to get smbclient > going?> > I have downloaded the software - not installed anything yet. >a > Thanks >t > -- >e	 > Syltrem K > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) : > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >PI > "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> a crit dans le message de news:d" > anf9md$48l$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov...G > > If you buy and run Microsoft's UNIX Services for Windows or another-
 > vendor'sK > > product, or download and install cygwin, your PC will be able to run an  > NFS:K > > server, which VMS should be able to treat as a VMS disk.  That might bet > more@ > > of an imposition on your PC and your time than you care for. > > J > > Most PCs can run an FTP server, which can obey commands from a VMS FTPK > > client if you want to configure and run an FTP server on your PC.  It's  > notDL > > hard, and can be done with software that comes with Windows.  You run an > FTPnG > > client utility program on your VMS system, and it can get directoryt
 > listingsI > > and get and put files.  It's not as easy as a VMS $ COPY command, butg thecJ > > utility is easy to learn, and you can create command files for it with > DCL. > >dL > > You can also use Microsoft's proprietary SMB protocols, thanks to Samba, > anI > > open source implementation with good client and server code for UNIX,  and K > > varying quality code for other environments, including VMS.  Instead ofrK > > running an FTP server on your PC, you create a file share, which any PCD > can5L > > map.  VMS can't map a Windows file share like Windows can, but Samba has anJ > > client utility program that can get directory listings and put and get > file.dG > > Go to www.samba.org and find the VMS distribution.  You should findeI > > instructions how to build the client utility, and it's simple to run.- > OnceI > > you figure out what commands to type at it, you will be able to writel DCLh > to > > tell it what to do.e > >  > > Summary: > >dI > > NFS -- you run a UNIX environment for Windows on your PC (difficult),b mapl > itK > > on VMS (not difficult if you can install the NFS client), and use DCL $< > COPY$ > > and $ DIRECTORY commands (easy). > >oF > > FTP -- you run an FTP server on your PC (not difficult) and an FTP clientL > > utility program on VMS (not difficult, but not as easy as DCL $ COPY and $u > > DIRECTORY commands). > >oF > > SMB -- you create a file share on your PC (easy) and run the Samba clientI > > for VMS (not difficult, but not as easy as DCL $ COPY and $ DIRECTORYt > > commands). > > 5 > > Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541s > > scandora@cmt.anl.gov > >a9 > > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messagen3 > > news:fK2m9.14057$H67.64770@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...-H > > > Since peecees's command language (DOS) is dumb and insufficient toH > > > accomplish most tasks, and because I don't know (nor want to learn just > > thisD > > > morning) VBscript or something akin, I was wondering if it was possible > to. > > > copy a VMS file to a PC share, from DCL.G > > > From DOS you can access shares that sit on both PC`s or VMS, veryg easily9 > > > (COPY \\PC\SHARENAME\FILE.TXT \\VMS\SHARENAME\*.*).r) > > > How about doing the same, from VMS?H > > >CJ > > > If it can be done, please give a reference to the manual where it is' > > > explained, or the command syntax./K > > > I don't really know where to start looking (keywords to search in thee
 > > book`s > > > index or the AskOpenVMS).r > > >  > > > Thanks > > >f > > > -- > > >o
 > > > Syltrem E > > > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en- > franais)-> > > > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address > > >c > > >i > > >p > >. > >  >j >:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:04:36 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>iY Subject: Re: Press Release  LEGATO Teams with HP To Release An Industry-First For Backup u$ Message-ID: <3d9dca71$1@news.si.com>  F >You can use the same tape silo for VMS, Unix,  NT or whatever so longF >as you use Legato on them all.  The Legato s/w stops them conflicting >with each other.a  I Since there is a Legato client that runs on OpenVMS VAX, how can I accessCC our Storagtek silo from those VMS systems?  Surely VAXes don't have  fibrechannel controllers.c --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comrA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com0= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventf< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:22:18 -05002 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net> Subject: Re: tcp/ip == UCX/ Message-ID: <uppuqrahkdm568@corp.supernews.com>    Phillip,  L TCP/IP, as provided by HP/Compaq for OpenVMS, is called UCX. In your layered* products licenses, look for one like this:   $ LICENSE REGISTER UCX - /ACTIVITY=CONSTANT=100 -( /AUTHORIZATION=DECUS-USA-number-number - /DATE=09-MONth-2002 -- /ISSUER=DECUS -- /PRODUCER=DEC -e /TERMINATION=09-MONth-2002 -
 /UNITS=0 -  G I have substituted "number" and "MONth" so as to not publish MY licensesJ PAK - and draw the fury of both HP/Compaq and the rest of the readers here :-)c  F If you use one of the TCP/IP products from Process Software (MultiNet,J TCPware), their web site says that they will email a license to you if youK fill out their forms and accept their terms. The URL for Process Software's L Hobbyist program is: http://www.multinet.process.com/license.html. I use theH Compaq product as I am most familiar with it, having used it since 1990.L From reading the specifications, the Process products are more up-to-date inG their features as compared to the UNIX/Linux TCP/IP stacks over the UCX.' product. UCX works fine for me, though.I  H With any of these products, it can be VERY important to locate and apply, service (patches) as released by the vendor.   Regards, Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT net     = "Phillip Sobottke" <psobottke@ameritech.net> wrote in messagep9 news:8p3n9.2106$F53.2119730@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...eI > My system is telling me I do not have a license for tcp/ip.  Isn't this H > license included in the hobbiest pack?  If so, what is the name of the, > license? (I do not see one called tcp/ip.) >r >l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 22:13:38 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)i' Message-ID: <3D9D0762.7EE5001F@fsi.net>a   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:s >  > > * > > A kind-but-anonymous person has helped/ > > me to remember that I was thinking of Larrya1 > > Cabrinetti (+/- a bit of spelling). Larry was-3 > > the uberVeep in charge of that bit of the world 4 > > that developed and failed to successfully market > > Multia.: > >V > M > I remember the guy. Smart, pleasant, well-dressed. Not directly responsiblenM > for the Multia Disaster. Blame that on the marketing chumps that refused tosK > call the thing a cheap Alpha PC (it was) or a cheap Alpha workstation (it  > was).r > M > Some of the Microsofy software on the box was pretty slick. And if you're aaK > former DEC stockholder, you'll be delighted to know that DEC DELIBERATELY L > destroyed a warehouseful (10K-15K) of Multias somewhere over in Asia whereM > they were made. Didn't want 'em getting loose and depressing Alpha "value."o > : > There really ought to be a book about Stupid DEC Tricks!  G I wanna know what brain surgeon actually believed a desktop Alpha couldo4 do anything besides bolster sales of large machines!  G I don't see Deskpros dis-/replacing Proliants. What could they POSSIBLYf have been thinking??!!   --   David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:59:15 GMTa. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)s5 Message-ID: <TDdn9.138320$142.1831731@news.chello.at>>  [ In article <3D9D0762.7EE5001F@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:bH >I wanna know what brain surgeon actually believed a desktop Alpha could5 >do anything besides bolster sales of large machines!   E Actually, we have been so stupid to run a lot of services on (noname) I desktop hardware (but NOT Alphas) because servers (serious ones) were/are L so expensive ($1k vs $50k). And as M$ crapware requires (at least until W2K)L mostly one server for one service we had only very few servers (1FPS, 1Mail,N 1DB). The rest (PDC,BDC,SMS,WINS,DNS,AV,Appl,Backup...) required the other 40.  H >I don't see Deskpros dis-/replacing Proliants. What could they POSSIBLY >have been thinking??!!.  L All users are running M$ soon and therefor need a lot of (cheaper) hardware.H Don't give it to them easily (and therefore they bought it elsewhere)...   -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERV% Network and OpenVMS system specialist. E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:55:00 +0200+ From: Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch.remove>e% Subject: Volume shadowing performancee7 Message-ID: <20021004105500.67496637.rob@bbp.ch.remove>q   Hello   A I'm aware that a shadowset is slower than a single disk for writed% operations, but can it be that much ?yA Here are the numbers I get by FTPing (binary) a file over 100MbiteD Etherenet (half-duplex) from my Linux workstation to the VMS server:  ) - On a single Disk (RZ1CB) : about 6 MB/snA - On a 2 member shadow set (IBM DDYS-T18350N) : about 500 kB/s !!e  * Read operations are around 7 MB/s on both.F Is that difference normal, or did I set up something completely wrong?D The server is a 2100 5/250 with 4 CPUs and 1GB of memory, VMS 7.3-1.B Each member of the shadow set is on its own controller (KZPBA-CX).D I do not monitor any excessive CPU or I/O usage during the transfer.   Thanks for any suggestions!d   Greetings, Roland   F --------------- bbp - Biveroni Batschelet Partners AG ----------------:              Bahnhofstrasse 28, CH-5401 Baden, SwitzerlandF ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:30:01 GMTh- From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr>e) Subject: Re: Volume shadowing performancem0 Message-ID: <tcdn9.5$wc5.10251@news.cpqcorp.net>  8 "Roland Barmettler" <rob@bbp.ch.remove> wrote in message1 news:20021004105500.67496637.rob@bbp.ch.remove...- > Hello- > C > I'm aware that a shadowset is slower than a single disk for writeb' > operations, but can it be that much ?eC > Here are the numbers I get by FTPing (binary) a file over 100MbitcF > Etherenet (half-duplex) from my Linux workstation to the VMS server: >i+ > - On a single Disk (RZ1CB) : about 6 MB/syC > - On a 2 member shadow set (IBM DDYS-T18350N) : about 500 kB/s !!x >t Helloy   Is a bus saturated ? During this FTP, does. $ mon disk/item=queuec& show a big queue length for this DSA ?   Regardsg   Grard   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:29:37 +0200+ From: Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch.remove>r) Subject: Re: Volume shadowing performanceh7 Message-ID: <20021004112937.47c72fab.rob@bbp.ch.remove>s   labadie wrote: >  > Is a bus saturated ? > During this FTP, does- > $ mon disk/item=queue0( > show a big queue length for this DSA ?  4 It shows a maximum value of 1.0 during the transfer.   Greetings, Roland+  F --------------- bbp - Biveroni Batschelet Partners AG ----------------:              Bahnhofstrasse 28, CH-5401 Baden, Switzerland?        Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch>  --  Phone +41-56-2039602oF ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 12:08:55 GMTe7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton)h) Subject: Re: Volume shadowing performance ! Message-ID: <NT0vPA5SM8yB@rabbit>e  
 Hi Roland,  L I ran a quick test, FTP'ing a 50Meg file to a single disk, and a dual-memberL shadow-set (9Gig, 10KRPM in each case).  I ran the test three times for eachM disk, and saw no appreciable difference to either disk (4.8 to 5.4Mb for eachk
 transfer).    e In article <20021004105500.67496637.rob@bbp.ch.remove>, Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch.remove> writes:s > Hello: > C > I'm aware that a shadowset is slower than a single disk for writer' > operations, but can it be that much ?tC > Here are the numbers I get by FTPing (binary) a file over 100MbitoF > Etherenet (half-duplex) from my Linux workstation to the VMS server: > + > - On a single Disk (RZ1CB) : about 6 MB/soC > - On a 2 member shadow set (IBM DDYS-T18350N) : about 500 kB/s !!- > , > Read operations are around 7 MB/s on both.H > Is that difference normal, or did I set up something completely wrong?F > The server is a 2100 5/250 with 4 CPUs and 1GB of memory, VMS 7.3-1.D > Each member of the shadow set is on its own controller (KZPBA-CX).F > I do not monitor any excessive CPU or I/O usage during the transfer. >  > Thanks for any suggestions!a >  > Greetings, RolandC > H > --------------- bbp - Biveroni Batschelet Partners AG ----------------< >              Bahnhofstrasse 28, CH-5401 Baden, SwitzerlandH > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --   Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"e "Lose the MAPS"k   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:42:56 GMTf- From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr>  Subject: Re: What Uses BYTLM? 1 Message-ID: <4Ebn9.1$mf5.140423@news.cpqcorp.net>o  . <rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz> wrote in message  news:3d9cf182.1984223041@news... > Hi Chaps,h >i* > I've got a couple of development Alphas.D > One is on OpenVMS 7.2-2, the other has just been upgraded to 7.3-1 >nD > I've got some Batch Jobs that use old Sybase Open Client software. >nG > I tried running these jobs on the new 7.3-1 System and they went intos/ > Mutex Wait State when I tried accessing them., >lA > On the 7.2-2 System they work fine. Using Availabilty Manager Ih6 > managed to determine that they were exhausing BYTLM. > G > After firing the processes up the ones on the 7.3-1 System were usingiH > roughly double the BYTLM that they were on the 7.2-2 System. As far asF > I can tell all of the Sybase Open Client software and files accessed) > is the same. Same Images are installed.B > $ > So, what kind of thing uses BYTLM?   Hellos  L Vms 7.3-1 has removed, unlike Vms 7.3 or earlier versions, the limitation on) the mailbox buffer quota (64 000 before).   	 I read in D OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3--1 New Features and Documentation Overview
 in the docL http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/openvms0731/731final/6657/6657pro_007.html at! 5.10 Larger Mailbox Buffer Quotas  ...iJ The size of the mailbox is subtracted from the BYTLM quota of the process.   This may be related.   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:55:11 -0400i& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com> Subject: Re: What Uses BYTLM?d5 Message-ID: <nWhn9.3862$34.264811@newsfeed.slurp.net>   A Besdies the aformentioned mailbox buffers that get deducted from  B JIB$L_ORG_BYTLM to produce the usable process JIB$L_BYTLM, window H control blocks also get deducted.  So if you took all of your disks and C increase the default window size by using MOUNT/WINDOW=n and these ED processes open a large number of files (and the application doesn't D supply a window size to use) then you could be using more BYTLM for I this.  To get a good idea of where the issue really lies use SDA to look eG at the process when it is in MUTEX and see what JIB$L_ORG_BYTLM is and  H what JIB$L_BYTLM is and what JIB$L_BYTCNT is and what channels are open I and how many bufferd IO's are outstanding (limit-count in the bufferd IO rB line of SDA> SHOW PROCESS).  If you have a BYTLM that is close to B ORG_BYTLM then the issue is not BYTLM deductions for mailboxes or H windows and you should see a number of outstanding buffered IOs and the 4 channel list should show where those IOs are posted.  " rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote: > Hi Chaps,  > * > I've got a couple of development Alphas.D > One is on OpenVMS 7.2-2, the other has just been upgraded to 7.3-1 > D > I've got some Batch Jobs that use old Sybase Open Client software. > G > I tried running these jobs on the new 7.3-1 System and they went into2/ > Mutex Wait State when I tried accessing them.x > A > On the 7.2-2 System they work fine. Using Availabilty Manager I!6 > managed to determine that they were exhausing BYTLM. > G > After firing the processes up the ones on the 7.3-1 System were using H > roughly double the BYTLM that they were on the 7.2-2 System. As far asF > I can tell all of the Sybase Open Client software and files accessed) > is the same. Same Images are installed.> > $ > So, what kind of thing uses BYTLM? > ? > I can fix the problem by adjusting PQL_MBYTLM, but I'd ratherdG > understand what's going on and try and determine if I'm going to haveV? > to make changes on the Production Systems prior to upgrading.  > A > Also wondering what else might be impacted in a similar manner.t > " > As always, thanks for any input. >  > Rob.   --  C Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY I        - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fan I        - Mark.Jilson@hp.com                            - since 1975 or solI        - http://www.jilly.baka.com           - http://www.brettbodine.comr   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 11:06:13 +0100 C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)r+ Subject: Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?e- Message-ID: <3d9d5a05.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>e  < In article <3D9C61DF.EA8F6EC@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt% <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:l |>Simon Clubley wrote: |>3 |>> Basically, each winter I pick 1-2 projects that E |>> are fun to do and that also enhance my skills. One of last year'sn
 |>projectsK |>> was writing my first VMS device driver (a _highly_ enjoyable experience  |>BTW).y0 |>> Any resulting work is just for personal use. |>- |>I may be out of date, but isn't VMS *STILL*l
 |>in need of:o |>	 |>  o UDFo |>  o FAT-32	 |>  o UFS 	 |>  o AFSr
 |>  o Mac HFSe |>6 |>(Among others) Write it, and *SELL* it to HP so they5 |>can *FINALLY* answer at least one of these customero |>requests!c |> |>Atlant |> |> |>  
 About UDF:  @ 1.) I have stored  a Powerpoint presentation of our most helpful
 HP/Compaq/DECuG person Steve (Hoff) Hofmann, where he speaks about a UDF support in thef future. ) I someone needs more details let me know.r  C 2.) USDESIGN sells a product for reading and writing in UDF-format:a! www.usdesign.com/products_uss.html  H 3.) The newest mkisofs that comes with Joerg Schillings cdtools produces& a UDF-filesystem from DVD-Video-files.  H 4.) UDF and ISO9660 are not that different (UDF is more flexible). I can mount auJ Video-DVD with the /media=cdrom switch under VMS an I see all files in 8.3 name convention.n  E If you speak about new filesystem you have to think about Mt. Rainiern support.  	 eberhard s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:13:23 -0500, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>+ Subject: Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ? + Message-ID: <ankenq$qkd$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>x  ? "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message-( news:3D9C8B76.E3E81875@mindspring.com... > Bob Koehler wrote:@ > > In article <3D9C61DF.EA8F6EC@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt% <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:0 > > > Simon Clubley wrote:1 > > > I may be out of date, but isn't VMS *STILL*r > > > in need of:p# >> >    o UDF        - what's that?s1 > >    o FAT-32     - no, no, a thousand times noj1 > >    o UFS        - no, no, a thousand times noh* > >    o AFS        - no, no, 999 times no0 > >    o Mac HFS    - no, no, a hundred times no > > ...0I > >    A file system is a reliable place to keep and organize data.  UFS.  > >    etc., don't cut it. >i( > Right. Don't help someone migrate *TO*, > VMS by providing any kind of compatibility$ > back to their legacy Unix systems.  L Well said, Atlant.  Just because we keep our CMS libraries and .EXE files onC Files-11 disks doesn't mean we don't need to exchange data with itsuK producers and consumers.  To that end, an Exchange or FLX-like utility thatTH could move files in and out of a foreign format rotating disk or virtualL disk container file would not be too difficult to write and would be useful.I Direct access from VMS programs is harder, as VMS programs expect RMS andnJ language runtime libraries to handle file and record attributes correctly.K Those file and record attributes are stored in Files-11 headers, but not in L other file systems' headers, which makes transparent support of foreign file systems difficult.  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541  scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.548 ************************