1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 05 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 549       Contents:0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 RE: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 RE: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 'hobbyist' vms Re: 'hobbyist' vms Re: 'hobbyist' vms Re: 'hobbyist' vms Re: 4GB Disk Blowut $34 each! Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS ! Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS ! Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS F Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP server on older versions ?6 Re: DCL tip of the day: 7.3-1 F$CvTime's new arguments Re: Disable access log on CSWS Re: Disable access log on CSWS Re: Disable access log on CSWS Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusters
 DLM questions ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)  EV8: The Post-ultimate Alpha  Re: First 7.3-1 problem detected First 7.3-1 problem detected7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! P Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMSMultisession Re: Marvel performance ??????  mouning floppy drive Re: mouning floppy drive Re: mouning floppy drive Re: mouning floppy drive Re: mouning floppy drive Re: Mount ISO Image  Re: Mount ISO Image  Re: Mount ISO Image . NetBeans for OpenVMS: not just for Java lovers Re: netscapeP now available! universal service processor (USP) V6.0 forOpenVMS AlphaServer sys Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?  Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?  Re: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic RE: OpenVMS is strategic Re: OpenVMS is strategic RE: OpenVMS is strategic) Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!! + Re: Originator of detached process from DCL + Re: Originator of detached process from DCL ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's ! Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's P Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ Class Library Libr) SpiritSoft achieves OpenVMS certification  Re: tcp/ip == UCX  Re: tcp/ip == UCX  Re: tcp/ip == UCX  Try VCL too. Re: 'hobbyist' vms 0 Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these)  Re: Volume shadowing performance3 Re: Why slow system when using logical search list? " Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:01:43 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 6 Message-ID: <sT-dnSoC7MrlSgCgXTWcpQ@News.GigaNews.Com>  3 "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message 2 news:535rpusjbgvvbmics64c2bua4ss1k7cu8h@4ax.com...1 > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:44:37 +0300 , "Bill Todd" ! > <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  >  > > 6 > >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message5 > >news:tlgopug0g58sd74eutjopcp7m0u86u0tvc@4ax.com... K > >> On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:10:48 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>  > >> wrote:  > >> > >> >9 > >> >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message  > >> >F > >> >Suggesting that it's OK to lie to the employer to remove his/her ability  > >to - > >> >make that choice would seem to qualify.  > >> > > >>, > >> Bah.  Nobody's choice has been removed. > > I > >Bullshit.  The employer's ability to choose based on the criteria s/he  feels G > >are important has been removed by the potential employee's lie about  his/her J > >credentials.  And for all your protestations about ethics, this doesn't seem > >to bother you at all. > F > I find that your side of the debate tends to an accusatory tone when# > you don't have a leg to stand on.   B No, I just have decreasing tolerance levels for persistent idiots.   > H > Have you ever heard of the interview process?  If someone doesn't know' > their stuff, it should come out then.   K And if there were any question about your being an idiot, the above removes J it.  The issue (as I've pointed out multiple times now) is not whether theH prospective employee 'knows his stuff' but whether he actually meets theF specific criteria the employer has chosen to set or has lied about his3 background in order to make it appear that he does.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:06:36 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 6 Message-ID: <LI-dnX0Hx_oARQCgXTWcrg@News.GigaNews.Com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9724@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. Bill,   5 >>> (exposing them by divulging private material) <<<   B While I certainly had nothing to hide and/or retract from anythingH stated in the offline group discussions (as you know, I did not even chgC my .sig file for any emails), I am at least glad to see you finally  admit you did this.    ***   L I made no bones about it at the time, and even asked you publicly in advanceJ whether you wished me to do so (you never bothered to respond) as evidence of your prevarication.  L When dealing with slimy individuals one sometimes gets one's hands dirty.  I> choose to wash afterward rather than just avoid the situation.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:24:14 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 9 Subject: RE: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D972E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,   / <<< I made no bones about it at the time ...>>>   E Just so long as everyone participating understands this the next time 5 you get invited to a private newsgroup discussion.=20    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom       -----Original Message-----2 From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 Sent: October 4, 2002 2:07 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...       2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9724@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .  Bill,   5 >>> (exposing them by divulging private material) <<<   B While I certainly had nothing to hide and/or retract from anythingH stated in the offline group discussions (as you know, I did not even chgC my .sig file for any emails), I am at least glad to see you finally  admit you did this.    ***   D I made no bones about it at the time, and even asked you publicly inF advance whether you wished me to do so (you never bothered to respond)" as evidence of your prevarication.  B When dealing with slimy individuals one sometimes gets one's handsH dirty.  I choose to wash afterward rather than just avoid the situation.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:16:21 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 8 Message-ID: <535rpusjbgvvbmics64c2bua4ss1k7cu8h@4ax.com>  / On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:44:37 +0300 , "Bill Todd"  <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:    > 4 >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message3 >news:tlgopug0g58sd74eutjopcp7m0u86u0tvc@4ax.com... I >> On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:10:48 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> 	 >> wrote:  >> >> >7 >> >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message  >> >L >> >Suggesting that it's OK to lie to the employer to remove his/her ability >to + >> >make that choice would seem to qualify.  >> > >>* >> Bah.  Nobody's choice has been removed. > M >Bullshit.  The employer's ability to choose based on the criteria s/he feels M >are important has been removed by the potential employee's lie about his/her M >credentials.  And for all your protestations about ethics, this doesn't seem  >to bother you at all.  D I find that your side of the debate tends to an accusatory tone when! you don't have a leg to stand on.   F Have you ever heard of the interview process?  If someone doesn't know% their stuff, it should come out then.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:50:50 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D9DE30A.3040608@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  J >    The issue (as I've pointed out multiple times now) is not whether theJ > prospective employee 'knows his stuff' but whether he actually meets theH > specific criteria the employer has chosen to set or has lied about his5 > background in order to make it appear that he does.     # If that is the case, then I wonder:   8 1)  Why are we having this discussion ? I thougth it was7      raised because someone thougth this is relevant in 4      relation to him being pro CPQ-HP merger. I mean2      HR practice in US companies is way off-topic.  1 2)  Why you did not answer this (seems relevant):   - #Out of curiosity: do we know that the job in 5 #question explicit stated a law degree was required ?      Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:34:33 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 6 Message-ID: <GlidnXzkqJqmcACgXTWcpA@News.GigaNews.Com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D972E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. Bill,   / <<< I made no bones about it at the time ...>>>   E Just so long as everyone participating understands this the next time 2 you get invited to a private newsgroup discussion.   ***   K Actually, my attitude was that when you ceased acting like a private member J of the group and started to act like a corporate shill, your statements inK that new capacity (if indeed you had been acting in good faith before that, K which was somewhat questionable) ceased to be private in nature.  But since E I accept that this point could be debated, I'm comfortable taking the L position that even private statements are fair game when exposing the authorD in a public lie:  when someone steps outside the bounds of integrityJ himself, whining that others aren't respecting his privacy doesn't impressK me much - it's somewhat similar to a criminal injured during the commission ' of a crime complaining of being abused.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:49:48 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 6 Message-ID: <ilWdnUXIdP8oZwOgXTWcpw@News.GigaNews.Com>  : "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message% news:3D9DE30A.3040608@mail.tele.dk...  > Bill Todd wrote: > L > >    The issue (as I've pointed out multiple times now) is not whether theL > > prospective employee 'knows his stuff' but whether he actually meets theJ > > specific criteria the employer has chosen to set or has lied about his7 > > background in order to make it appear that he does.  >  > % > If that is the case, then I wonder:  > : > 1)  Why are we having this discussion ? I thougth it was9 >      raised because someone thougth this is relevant in 6 >      relation to him being pro CPQ-HP merger. I mean4 >      HR practice in US companies is way off-topic.  D Oh, dear - have we actually wandered slightly away from the original# specific point?  I'm so chagrinned.    > 3 > 2)  Why you did not answer this (seems relevant):  > / > #Out of curiosity: do we know that the job in 7 > #question explicit stated a law degree was required ?   G Because it was irrelevant to the specific point being discussed at that F time.  And, incidentally, is equally irrelevant to the material you're responding to here.    Hope that clears things up.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:16:41 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D9DF729.3090801@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  < > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message' > news:3D9DE30A.3040608@mail.tele.dk...  >>Bill Todd wrote:C >>>                               but whether he actually meets the 3 >>>specific criteria the employer has chosen to set     3 >>2)  Why you did not answer this (seems relevant):  >>/ >>#Out of curiosity: do we know that the job in 7 >>#question explicit stated a law degree was required ?  > I > Because it was irrelevant to the specific point being discussed at that H > time.  And, incidentally, is equally irrelevant to the material you're > responding to here.      ????  8 So basicly you say that the explicit stated requirements9 are irrelevant for whether an employee meets the criteria  set by the employer ?    Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:14:02 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 9 Subject: RE: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A71@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  H <<< I'm comfortable taking the position that even private statements are6 fair game when exposing the author in a public lie:>>>  G So moderator Bill gets to determine on his own when private discussions H should be made public without any approvals from the rest of the members of that private conference ??    That in itself says a lot.  F I seem to remember that we lost a few other members in that discussionD group when they thought their privacy had not been respected either.  1 Anyway, back to your regular scheduled program ..    Regards     
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom       -----Original Message-----2 From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 Sent: October 4, 2002 3:35 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...       2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageH news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D972E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp. net. .  Bill,   / <<< I made no bones about it at the time ...>>>   E Just so long as everyone participating understands this the next time 2 you get invited to a private newsgroup discussion.   ***   D Actually, my attitude was that when you ceased acting like a privateC member of the group and started to act like a corporate shill, your F statements in that new capacity (if indeed you had been acting in goodH faith before that, which was somewhat questionable) ceased to be privateD in nature.  But since I accept that this point could be debated, I'mE comfortable taking the position that even private statements are fair B game when exposing the author in a public lie:  when someone stepsC outside the bounds of integrity himself, whining that others aren't F respecting his privacy doesn't impress me much - it's somewhat similarE to a criminal injured during the commission of a crime complaining of 
 being abused.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:24:53 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D9DF915.5070806@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  E >                                          I'm comfortable taking the N > position that even private statements are fair game when exposing the authorF > in a public lie:  when someone steps outside the bounds of integrityL > himself, whining that others aren't respecting his privacy doesn't impressM > me much - it's somewhat similar to a criminal injured during the commission ) > of a crime complaining of being abused.   7 No - to continue your crime analogy, then you claim the 2 rigth to do crimes against people, if you consider them criminal.  , I am not aware of any civilized country that
 permits that.   , Though Charles Bronson made some movies over that theme 25 years ago.   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:03:16 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 6 Message-ID: <xNmdnfXcNaCYnwOgXTWc3Q@News.GigaNews.Com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A71@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. ..  H <<< I'm comfortable taking the position that even private statements are6 fair game when exposing the author in a public lie:>>>  G So moderator Bill gets to determine on his own when private discussions H should be made public without any approvals from the rest of the members of that private conference ??    ***   I I *always* get to determine my own actions, and have more than adequately J explained the basis for them in this case.  Whether you approve is of zeroJ interest to me (and I'm happy to let others assess both of us on the basis of what we've said).   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:08:23 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 6 Message-ID: <RsycneoT7MmkngOgXTWc3g@News.GigaNews.Com>  : "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message% news:3D9DF915.5070806@mail.tele.dk...  > Bill Todd wrote: > G > >                                          I'm comfortable taking the I > > position that even private statements are fair game when exposing the  authorH > > in a public lie:  when someone steps outside the bounds of integrityF > > himself, whining that others aren't respecting his privacy doesn't impress D > > me much - it's somewhat similar to a criminal injured during the
 commission+ > > of a crime complaining of being abused.  > 9 > No - to continue your crime analogy, then you claim the 4 > rigth to do crimes against people, if you consider > them criminal. > . > I am not aware of any civilized country that > permits that.   H No:  I simply assert the right to use *reasonable* force (which would beL criminal if used without provocation) to prevent a crime already in progressI from being carried out, and my understanding is that the legal systems in 0 most 'civilized' countries recognize that right.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:09:32 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 6 Message-ID: <FJOdnZ8cVIzlIACgXTWc2Q@News.GigaNews.Com>  : "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message% news:3D9DF729.3090801@mail.tele.dk...  > Bill Todd wrote: > > > > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message) > > news:3D9DE30A.3040608@mail.tele.dk...  > >>Bill Todd wrote:E > >>>                               but whether he actually meets the 5 > >>>specific criteria the employer has chosen to set  >  > 5 > >>2)  Why you did not answer this (seems relevant):  > >>1 > >>#Out of curiosity: do we know that the job in 9 > >>#question explicit stated a law degree was required ?  > > K > > Because it was irrelevant to the specific point being discussed at that J > > time.  And, incidentally, is equally irrelevant to the material you're > > responding to here.  >  >  > ???? > : > So basicly you say that the explicit stated requirements; > are irrelevant for whether an employee meets the criteria  > set by the employer ?   I No.  I think you need spend a lot more time understanding this discussion * and somewhat less on firing off responses.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:29:05 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D9E0821.8000901@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  K > No.  I think you need spend a lot more time understanding this discussion , > and somewhat less on firing off responses.   Why ?   + You have spend tons of emails talking about 3 "specific criteria the employer has chosen to set".   2 And now we can conclude that you have not bothered4 studying the case at all and you do not know whether0 a law degree was required for that job. You were just guessing.  0 Do the end (discrediting the CPQ-HP merger) mean more than the mean (truth) ?   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:32:41 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... ) Message-ID: <3D9E08F9.70202@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  < > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message' > news:3D9DF915.5070806@mail.tele.dk...  >>Bill Todd wrote:B >>>       - it's somewhat similar to a criminal injured during the >>> commission* >>>of a crime complaining of being abused.    9 >>No - to continue your crime analogy, then you claim the 4 >>rigth to do crimes against people, if you consider >>them criminal. >>. >>I am not aware of any civilized country that >>permits that.     J > No:  I simply assert the right to use *reasonable* force (which would beN > criminal if used without provocation) to prevent a crime already in progressK > from being carried out, and my understanding is that the legal systems in 2 > most 'civilized' countries recognize that right.  @ Action before crime commited = prevention / self-defence = legal  0 Action after crime committed = revenge = illegal   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:01:43 +0300* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... Q Message-ID: <1037270357C4D411A1C900A0C9D4BFCB9F22D9@hqnts40div01.academy.kiev.ua>   3 "jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message 2 news:535rpusjbgvvbmics64c2bua4ss1k7cu8h@4ax.com...1 > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:44:37 +0300 , "Bill Todd" ! > <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  >  > > 6 > >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message5 > >news:tlgopug0g58sd74eutjopcp7m0u86u0tvc@4ax.com... K > >> On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:10:48 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>  > >> wrote:  > >> > >> >9 > >> >"jlsue" <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> wrote in message  > >> >F > >> >Suggesting that it's OK to lie to the employer to remove his/her ability  > >to - > >> >make that choice would seem to qualify.  > >> > > >>, > >> Bah.  Nobody's choice has been removed. > > I > >Bullshit.  The employer's ability to choose based on the criteria s/he  feels G > >are important has been removed by the potential employee's lie about  his/her J > >credentials.  And for all your protestations about ethics, this doesn't seem > >to bother you at all. > F > I find that your side of the debate tends to an accusatory tone when# > you don't have a leg to stand on.   B No, I just have decreasing tolerance levels for persistent idiots.   > H > Have you ever heard of the interview process?  If someone doesn't know' > their stuff, it should come out then.   K And if there were any question about your being an idiot, the above removes J it.  The issue (as I've pointed out multiple times now) is not whether theH prospective employee 'knows his stuff' but whether he actually meets theF specific criteria the employer has chosen to set or has lied about his3 background in order to make it appear that he does.    - bill         begin 600 Org_Mail_Info.txt = M#0H-"BTM+2TM4V-A;DUA:6PZ($]R:6=I;F%L($UE<W-A9V4@26YF;W)M871I = M;VXM+2TM+0T*1G)O;3H@0FEL;"!4;V1D#0I396YT.B`Q,"\P-"\R,#`R(#(Q = M.C`Q.C,S#0I4;SH@#0I3=6)J96-T.B!293H@(E5N9&5R<75A;&EF:65D('1I = M<'-T97(@8F%C:V5D($A0(&UE<F=E<B(N+BX-"@T*+2TM+2U38V%N36%I;#H@ = M4F]U=&EN9R!$;VUA:6X@26YF;W)M871I;VX@9F]R(%--5%`@;6%I;"TM+2TM = M#0I0871H.B!C87)R:65R+FMI978N=6$A;F5W<RYK:65V+G-O=F%M+F-O;2%3 = M=FET;VYL:6YE+D-/32%N97=S9F5E9"YG86UM82YR=2%'86UM82Y252%N97=S = M9F5E9"YN97=S,FUE+F-O;2%B;W)D97(Q+FYN='`N875S,2YG:6=A;F5W<RYC = M;VTA;FYT<"YG:6=A;F5W<RYC;VTA;FYT<#,N875S,2YG:6=A;F5W<RYC;VTA = M3F5W<RY':6=A3F5W<RY#;VTN4$]35$5$(6YO="UF;W(M;6%I;`T*3DY44"U0 = M;W-T:6YG+41A=&4Z($9R:2P@,#0@3V-T(#(P,#(@,3,Z,#$Z,C@@0T14#0I& = M<F]M.B`B0FEL;"!4;V1D(B`\8FEL;'1O9&1`;65T<F]C87-T+FYE=#X-"DYE = M=W-G<F]U<',Z(&-O;7`N;W,N=FUS#0I2969E<F5N8V5S.B`\,T0Y.$$X04$N = M-S@S034Q131`=FED96]T<F]N+F-A/B`\3T,R;3DN-#(D35DQ+CDP.30W.4!N = M97=S+F-P<6-O<G`N;F5T/B`\>78S;3DN-3$Q,S8D26DT+C(U-S$S,#5`8FEN = M,BYN;G)P+F%U<S$N9VEG86YE=W,N8V]M/B`\,V\Y:G!U8W(V<3,Q<V%S8CEH = M-6IJ-#5R,39D-&=P:S1M;D`T87@N8V]M/B`\-4=N;3DN-C(P.#<D<30R+C(X = M-3(U-CA`8FEN,RYN;G)P+F%U<S$N9VEG86YE=W,N8V]M/B`\-&-Q;'!U-'(V = M;#1K;V=K=C5S8F1P;CEP8W-O=6IB96(Y-$`T87@N8V]M/B`\23E+;3DN,C`V = M-38D8EDU+C@S-#8P0&)I;C0N;FYR<"YA=7,Q+F=I9V%N97=S+F-O;3X@/'1L = M9V]P=6<P9S4X<V0W-&5U=&IO<&-P-VTP=3@V=3!T=F-`-&%X+F-O;3X@/#$P = M,S<R-S`S-3=#-$0T,3%!,4,Y,#!!,$,Y1#1"1D-".45%-$(X0&AQ;G1S-#!D 1 B:78P,2YA8V%D96UY+FMI978N=6$^(#PU,S5R<'5S:F)G=@==  `  end    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 18:58:26 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 0 Message-ID: <3D9DE2AF.E251BEF6@blueyonder.co.uk>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Bill,  > I > <<<'Situational ethics' was all the rage 30-some years ago.  Apparently I > you never developed a very good understanding of it, let alone advanced  > beyond it.>>>  > G > While I certainly do not condone not telling the truth on a resume, I I > also do not agree with "holier than thou" people preaching against such I > acts and who like to think their ethics are above such low level deeds.  >    E Isn't the real issue that it is technically illegal to invent or omit H qualifications on ones' CV? I know people do, but I thought it certainly4 was illegal in the UK. Maybe it just isn't enforced.  K I guess if you're happy living a lie then you will be prepared to deal with  the consequences.    regards        --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:51:39 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3D9E1B7B.4040600@mail.tele.dk>    Bill Todd wrote:  < > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message% > news:3D9E08F9.70202@mail.tele.dk...  >>Bill Todd wrote:= >>>"Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message ( >>>news:3D9DF915.5070806@mail.tele.dk... >>>>Bill Todd wrote:C >>>>>      - it's somewhat similar to a criminal injured during the  >>>>>commission , >>>>>of a crime complaining of being abused.    ; >>>>No - to continue your crime analogy, then you claim the 6 >>>>rigth to do crimes against people, if you consider >>>>them criminal. >>>>0 >>>>I am not aware of any civilized country that >>>>permits that.     K >>>No:  I simply assert the right to use *reasonable* force (which would be O >>>criminal if used without provocation) to prevent a crime already in progress   I >>>from being carried out, and my understanding is that the legal systems 6 >>>in most 'civilized' countries recognize that right. >>> B >>Action before crime commited = prevention / self-defence = legal >>2 >>Action after crime committed = revenge = illegal    N > Action before a crime is touchy:  you really need to be able to *prove* thatM > the crime was about to be committed to avoid being found at fault yourself. D > Action after a crime is the responsibility of the duly-constitutedK > authorities.  But what I said above referred to *reasonable use* of force J > *during the commission* of a crime to prevent its successful completion.  : Actually the word "reasonable" and "prevent" was something( that was not part of your original post.  ; That is something you have slipped in later. Likely because 2 you realized that the original statement was a bit
 too strong  3 But you could ofcourse not have mentioned it first, 1 because it would make your anology look very poor % (since you did not prevent anything).    Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:30:38 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 6 Message-ID: <0MOdnQhksoECrwOgXTWc3g@News.GigaNews.Com>  : "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message% news:3D9E1B7B.4040600@mail.tele.dk...  > Bill Todd wrote: > > > > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message' > > news:3D9E08F9.70202@mail.tele.dk...  > >>Bill Todd wrote:? > >>>"Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message * > >>>news:3D9DF915.5070806@mail.tele.dk... > >>>>Bill Todd wrote:E > >>>>>      - it's somewhat similar to a criminal injured during the  > >>>>>commission . > >>>>>of a crime complaining of being abused. >  > = > >>>>No - to continue your crime analogy, then you claim the 8 > >>>>rigth to do crimes against people, if you consider > >>>>them criminal. > >>>>2 > >>>>I am not aware of any civilized country that > >>>>permits that.  >  > J > >>>No:  I simply assert the right to use *reasonable* force (which would beH > >>>criminal if used without provocation) to prevent a crime already in progress > K > >>>from being carried out, and my understanding is that the legal systems 8 > >>>in most 'civilized' countries recognize that right. > >>> D > >>Action before crime commited = prevention / self-defence = legal > >>4 > >>Action after crime committed = revenge = illegal >  > K > > Action before a crime is touchy:  you really need to be able to *prove*  thatE > > the crime was about to be committed to avoid being found at fault 	 yourself. F > > Action after a crime is the responsibility of the duly-constitutedG > > authorities.  But what I said above referred to *reasonable use* of  force L > > *during the commission* of a crime to prevent its successful completion. > < > Actually the word "reasonable" and "prevent" was something* > that was not part of your original post. > = > That is something you have slipped in later. Likely because 4 > you realized that the original statement was a bit > too strong > 5 > But you could ofcourse not have mentioned it first, 3 > because it would make your anology look very poor ' > (since you did not prevent anything).   G Arne, you're a fucking idiot.  What I acted to prevent was Kerry's lies H being successful.  And while the word 'reasonable' wasn't included in myI original statement, neither was any suggestion that the injury was due to H *un*reasonable force being used (it could even have been due to no forceK whatsoever - e.g., slipping on an icy sidewalk while running to escape, the B maintenance of which would under other circumstances have been the8 responsibility of the owner of the house being burgled).   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:16:19 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... 6 Message-ID: <SfCcnc6997u5jgOgXTWcoA@News.GigaNews.Com>  : "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message# news:3D9E08F9.70202@mail.tele.dk...  > Bill Todd wrote: > > > > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message) > > news:3D9DF915.5070806@mail.tele.dk...  > >>Bill Todd wrote:D > >>>       - it's somewhat similar to a criminal injured during the > >>> commission, > >>>of a crime complaining of being abused. >  > ; > >>No - to continue your crime analogy, then you claim the 6 > >>rigth to do crimes against people, if you consider > >>them criminal. > >>0 > >>I am not aware of any civilized country that > >>permits that.  >  > L > > No:  I simply assert the right to use *reasonable* force (which would beG > > criminal if used without provocation) to prevent a crime already in  progressJ > > from being carried out, and my understanding is that the legal systems in4 > > most 'civilized' countries recognize that right. >rB > Action before crime commited = prevention / self-defence = legal >f2 > Action after crime committed = revenge = illegal  H Your IQ has dropped another 30 points or so, as usual.  I'm not going toI bother to respond to your other post (except to reiterate that you should G shut up and understand what has already transpired before continuing torL issue stupid responses), but the above is so obvious that even you should be; able to understand it if you bother to re-read what I said.d  L Action before a crime is touchy:  you really need to be able to *prove* thatK the crime was about to be committed to avoid being found at fault yourself.gB Action after a crime is the responsibility of the duly-constitutedI authorities.  But what I said above referred to *reasonable use* of forceHH *during the commission* of a crime to prevent its successful completion.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:53:12 +0100y> From: Torsten Mattfeldt <torsten.mattfeldt@medizin.uni-ulm.de> Subject: 'hobbyist' vms 2 Message-ID: <3D9D9D48.B55B44A3@medizin.uni-ulm.de>  / VMS embedded into another operating system e.g.e2 under Windows has been called 'hobbyist' software.+ As far as I understand, one can use similarn& commands as n VMS but keeps the basic  operating system intact.  
 My questions:e   1. Is such a solution possible?n   2. If so: where can I get it? %    a) for Windows32 (NT, 2000 or XP)?s    b) for Linux?   Torstenw   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:23:12 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)t Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vmse+ Message-ID: <ank4o0$hh0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>m  s In article <3D9D9D48.B55B44A3@medizin.uni-ulm.de>, Torsten Mattfeldt <torsten.mattfeldt@medizin.uni-ulm.de> writes:n0 >VMS embedded into another operating system e.g.3 >under Windows has been called 'hobbyist' software. , >As far as I understand, one can use similar' >commands as n VMS but keeps the basic f >operating system intact.e >o
 Not quite.  K There is a VMS hobbyist program which allows you to get the OS, and lots of 6 layered products (compilers etc) for VAX or ALPHA VMS.K VAX and alpha boxes are available on ebay and from resellers such as Islandr fairly cheaply.M  % See http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/   K Licenses for the OS and layered products are free. The Hobbyist CD media isn. available at a cost of $30 including shipping.    N You can also run this software on a number of VAX emulators. These emulate theB VAX hardware on a PC under another OS such as Linux or Windows NT.6 What you run on top of that hardware emulation is VMS.  ! The first emulator produced was  p  > Charon-VAX from http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm  K There are both commercial versions and a hobbyist version of this emulator.o    M People have also been running VMS on Simh and ts10 emulators. However I'm notgO sure how complete and stable those emulators are currently. I'm sure others can- comment.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >My questions: >   >1. Is such a solution possible? >c >2. If so: where can I get it?& >   a) for Windows32 (NT, 2000 or XP)? >   b) for Linux?e >G >Torsten   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 19:26:48 GMTb4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vmso0 Message-ID: <3D9DE956.A9CDAE91@blueyonder.co.uk>   David Webb wrote:x  cO > People have also been running VMS on Simh and ts10 emulators. However I'm notmQ > sure how complete and stable those emulators are currently. I'm sure others can 
 > comment.   P I have VMS 72 running on the latest beta of ts10 on linux, full network support,P its like having a MicroVAX II but with a smaller power bill :-). CD mounting etc work fine. a  ; The only real problem I've seen is the clock running slow.    P Simh runs on windows as well as linux but recently there was no network support.  P Anyone got any VMS tuning tips for VMS on ts10? Disk i/o especially :-). I don'tS expect full ATA100 performance but its really the main bottleneck most of the time.i   Regardst --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk y  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:16:46 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vmst' Message-ID: <3D9E67AE.F05EEC9C@fsi.net>    Torsten Mattfeldt wrote: > 1 > VMS embedded into another operating system e.g.u4 > under Windows has been called 'hobbyist' software.- > As far as I understand, one can use similarw' > commands as n VMS but keeps the basici > operating system intact. >  > My questions:f > ! > 1. Is such a solution possible?s >  > 2. If so: where can I get it?i' >    a) for Windows32 (NT, 2000 or XP)?  >    b) for Linux? > 	 > Torsten-  " It's important to understand that:  D 1. There is no "hobbyist version" of VMS. VMS is VMS. The difference? lies in the license only and what you can do with the system soo	 licensed.@  G 2. As David Webb outlined, you can run a VAX emulator on Windows, LinuxeB or even OpenVMS-Alpha and run OpenVMS-VAX within the VAX emulator.  H What I don't know is: do any of the current VAX emulators run on *BSD or Solaris?   -- i David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:18:18 -0400, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>% Subject: Re: 4GB Disk Blowut $34 eachaB Message-ID: <Kcon9.19935$OM4.15978746@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>  
 None sadly  3 I do have some 9GB DEC drives I could sell you tho.i  
 RZ1DF-VA $199i   Davido< "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D9D0F9B.CF9C8559@fsi.net...  > Island wrote:- > >-H > > Qty Seagate(DEC Branded) UW SCSI Disks with 68PIN Converter $34 each >i( > How ya fixed for RZ29-VAs or RZ40-VAs? >t > -- > David J. Dachterae > dba DJE SystemsA > http://www.djesys.com/ >2* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:42:57 -0400( From: "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com>* Subject: Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS' Message-ID: <anknfi$ksk$1@lore.csc.com>a  ? "Mike Rechtman" <michael.rechtman@digital.com> wrote in message5% news:3D9C4B07.67740588@digital.com...kC > Downloaded from the web page. UNzipping on VMS and on W2K gave med > corrupted text files.a > (*.com, release_notes)- > I tried using anonymous FTP & was rejected.u3 > Has anyone succesfully downloaded and built this?.  F I was able to download and unzip without a problem. I got two compilerJ warning errors when compiling on my systems here, a VAX and an Alpha, bothJ running OpenVMS V7.3 and TCP/IP SERVICES V5.1 with ECO 3. Both systems useF DEC C V5.6 (for compatibility with older systems), and I got these two	 warnings:   ' $DESCRIPTOR(command_desc,command_line);g   ^.  F %CC-W-ADDRCONSTEXT, In the initializer for command_desc.dsc$a_pointer,	 "command_   D line" does not have a constant address, but occurs in a context that requires ana  7 address constant. This is an extension of the language.e  L at line number 571 in file USER1:[DSMIT115.INTERNET.WHOIS.WHOIS015]WHOIS.C;1    $DESCRIPTOR(TEMP_DESC,temp_str);   ^   C %CC-W-ADDRCONSTEXT, In the initializer for TEMP_DESC.dsc$a_pointer,i "temp_str" d  I oes not have a constant address, but occurs in a context that requires an  addres  1 s constant. This is an extension of the language.t  L at line number 572 in file USER1:[DSMIT115.INTERNET.WHOIS.WHOIS015]WHOIS.C;1  K I did get images in both cases, and they seem to work. Is it safe to ignore> these compiler warnings?  I -------------------------------------------------------------------------8I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comoI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only).I -------------------------------------------------------------------------l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:35:08 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>b* Subject: Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS, Message-ID: <3D9DFB7B.1C032841@videotron.ca>   David M Smith wrote:) > $DESCRIPTOR(command_desc,command_line); H > %CC-W-ADDRCONSTEXT, In the initializer for command_desc.dsc$a_pointer, > "command_e > F > line" does not have a constant address, but occurs in a context thatF > requires an  address constant. This is an extension of the language.  L That is interesting. On my VAX, this was never an issue, and when I compiled0 it on an Alpha, it was also not an issue at all.  L Do you use special switches on your compiler to make it even more pedantic ?     Look at what $DESCRIPTOR does:P #define $DESCRIPTOR(name,string)        struct dsc$descriptor_s name = { sizeof(1 string)-1, DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_S, string }     so translated it would generate:  A struct dsc$descriptor_s  command_desc = { sizeof(command_line)-1, % 								DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_S,s 								command_line }  < "command_line" was defined as a fixed size character array. + (eg something like char command_line[255] ;   - Why should the compiler complain about this ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:02:03 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o* Subject: Re: Announcing WHOIS V1.5 for VMS, Message-ID: <3D9E6439.A5476E71@videotron.ca>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:K > It's probably the compiler version. With Compaq C v6.x you get the effect  > when using /STANDARD=ANSI89.  L The alpha version compled cleanly on an alpha with 7.3-1 and CC 6.5 compiled7 with CC/INSIGNED WHOIS.C and it didn't complain at all.@  . On my vax, I have 6.0 and again no complaints.  I > "Constant expressions must be used in an initializer for an object thatoF > has static storage duration, or in an initializer list for an object' > that has an aggregate or union type."a  L I'll have to look into it.  It is a pain to have to find a way to please theM compiler to accomplish the exact same thing. I'd hate to have to code 4 lines , of actual code to initialise the descriptor.  3 >   #pragma message disable (ADDRCONSTEXT,DOLLARID)   J Well, if this will please the compiler, then i'll add that in for the next! version ! Thanks for the pointer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:07:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> O Subject: Re: Another security issue with the UCX POP server on older versions ?m, Message-ID: <3D9DF500.57B893B1@videotron.ca>   "Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth" wrote:e > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]i >  > UCX$POP_SERVER.EXE;1H >                      [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,R)S >           (IDENTIFIER=[UCX$AUX,UCX$POP],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)uJ >           (IDENTIFIER=[SYSTEM],ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)* >           (IDENTIFIER=[*,*],ACCESS=NONE)  ( Wouldn't it be simpler and faster to do:  G set file TCPIP$POP_SERVER.EXE/owner=TCPIP$POP/prot=(w,g,s:rwed,o:rwed) m  M (OK, so the VMS engineers decided to make thing more complex by telling us wej should now use:a  [ SET SECURITY/CLASS=FILE/PROTECTION=(w,g,s:rwed,o:rwed)/owner=TCPIP$POP TCPIP$POP_SERVER.EXE            ?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:48:58 GMTt" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>? Subject: Re: DCL tip of the day: 7.3-1 F$CvTime's new argumentsh& Message-ID: <3D9DFCE9.879B54C1@hp.com>  ' Aaron - Anything to keep you happy  :-)h   Guyo   Aaron Sakovich wrote:s  	 > Hi all,e > E > Just as a tip for all you folks who love to code the number of dayssD > between two dates, it's now a lot easier from within DCL on 7.3-1.B > The lexical, F$CVTIME has been modified to add the following new > arguments: >  >  - DAYOFYEAR >  - HOUROFYEAR  >  - MINUTEOFYEARd >  - SECONDOFYEAR  > 3 > (See HELP LEXICAL F$CVTIME ARGUMENTS, of course.)  >)C > I presume you can imagine what they can be used for, but here's as > couple examples: >e$ > YODA echo f$cvtime(,,"dayofyear") > 274e3 > YODA echo f$cvtime("22-oct-2002",,"dayofyear") -t > f$cvtime(,,"dayofyear")c > 21 >tG > I can now die in peace knowing I've helped to make the world a better' > place for DCL hackers... >e > Aarona   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:26:30 +0200 @ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWSn+ Message-ID: <3D9DF976.3040702@mail.tele.dk>e   David Beatty wrote:0  1 > Look for the CustomLog directive in httpd.conf.h  
 And do what ?@   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:00:39 GMTT$ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWS 8 Message-ID: <00A14F3F.4437F4BE@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  c In article <ankejt$eu3pe$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>, "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:b  M >Anyone know how to do this?  For our strictly internal web services it's notwF >necessary and keeps showing up in the performance data as a hot file.  L I assume your strictly-internal services are on different VirtualHosts than # your externally-visible services.  y  O The following advice is completely untested, since it never occurred to me thatsD you wouldn't care who was accessing you or how many hits you'd have.  O Have you already tried removing all CustomLog directives?  While HTTPD.CONF has@L a default included, I don't think Apache feels compelled to log if you don't tell it where to log to.    I If that doesn't work, then within the relevant VirtualHost container, tryg  " CustomLog /nla0/access.log  common  O (I haven't tried this, but if it works your performance program probably won't l0 recognize any file on the null device as "hot".)  M I don't think there's been a special CSWS tweak to recognize /dev/null, which # would be the Unix thing to do here.t   -- Alans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:40:11 +0200i@ From: Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.tele.dk>' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWSl+ Message-ID: <3D9E18CB.3070808@mail.tele.dk>r  % winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:r  K > If that doesn't work, then within the relevant VirtualHost container, try  > $ > CustomLog /nla0/access.log  common > Q > (I haven't tried this, but if it works your performance program probably won't 02 > recognize any file on the null device as "hot".)  
 Two comments::  2 1) I am not sure adding a filename to nla0 is good*     since it will very likely result in a:9       -SYSTEM-F-NOTFILEDEV, device is not file structureda  : 2) Some say that NLA0: is actually rather slow and if that0     is true, then it is not good for performance   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:12:25 -0500a& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clustersd8 Message-ID: <dr4rpuc7ai2l8gk1p7v3jt63dfcbc8u6a2@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:11:48 GMT, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote:    J >However...NODEA never regained SCS communications with the cluster, so itH >never CLUEXITed.  It sat waiting for more votes to give it quroum.  TheJ >TCPIP link from the NT App server remained open.  One could actually PINGL >NODEA on the netword and get a response.  The NT application hung, for wantJ >of the disk activity that needed to happen on OpenVMS' NODEA but couldn'tD >for lack of QUORUM.  It failed to failover because it still had its >connection. >uE >This demonstrates that not only must OpenVMS respond to the disaster I >tolerent configurations, but the the network connections and distributed I >applications must also be designed with site disaster tolerence in mind.u >c  E If an application is going to go through the trouble of being able to1E switch server nodes for "fault tolerance", it seems logical that they 0 would implement keep-alive timers in it as well.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 14:11:01 -0700 7 From: uwe.leinberger@t-systems.com (Dr. Uwe Leinberger)e' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clusterst= Message-ID: <b6b2072c.0210041311.12a3622b@posting.google.com>m  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D8B6385.582BC33F@videotron.ca>...  > Phillip Helbig wrote: K > > No, A in building 1, B in building 2 AND C (QUORUM MACHINE) IN BUILDINGp > > 3!!! > F > The problem with this is that many companies may not have building 3N > available. Yes, if you're talking about the remaining VMS customer base madeK > up of large corporations with sopare wildfire equipment, the 3rd building  > isn't a problem. > O > But if VMS is ever to return to the bigger markets of mid and small business,PX > then perhaps a solution not requiring the 3rd building might make VMS very attractive.  E Let me make one thing clear: We are talking about the issue sometimes6< called a "split brain" condition in a cluster. Working in anD environment where desaster tolerant clusters based on most availableF unix flavors, on VMS, on Microsoft, most available cluster and storageD solutions tells me, that you definitely need a third building in any case to avoid "split brain".> This is a very basic issue, totally independent of the clusterE solution, and also independent of the type of device used to bring in ! the majority vote to gain quorum.h  E So while many sites might have trouble suppliing a 3rd building, thisoB does nothing bad to VMS, since all solutions will be hurt just the same.   B However, even a very simple 3rd building (e.g. just a plain simple; office block) is quite useful, if the other 2 buildings are"E independant FOR REAL ComputingCenters (i.e. UPS, Dieselgenerator, Airn@ Condition probably redundant and definitely independant for both cells).r  C Why? Loss of external power will mean loss of the 3rd building, buttA everything continues. Loss of any of the real CC buildings (fire,e@ explosion, whatever) will leave the office block in tact, quorumB ensured, were still alive. Loss of every single connection - sameF thing. We just get in trouble if we have a double failure. And here weE need to be the HUMAN quorum device telling one part of the cluster towF start up by manually resetting quorum. Again all independant of OS and clustering techniques.   UL   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 04:57:21 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)m' Subject: Re: Disaster-Tolerant clustersi; Message-ID: <Riun9.73594$8o3.1944026@twister.austin.rr.com>t  8 Dr. Uwe Leinberger (uwe.leinberger@t-systems.com) wrote: : G : So while many sites might have trouble suppliing a 3rd building, thisbD : does nothing bad to VMS, since all solutions will be hurt just the : same.i : D : However, even a very simple 3rd building (e.g. just a plain simple= : office block) is quite useful, if the other 2 buildings areoG : independant FOR REAL ComputingCenters (i.e. UPS, Dieselgenerator, Air B : Condition probably redundant and definitely independant for both	 : cells).  :   A Telcos and other organizations have suitable "3rd buildings" with0 space for lease.  D A pipeline control company here in Houston uses 3 8400s running VMS % and DECMessageQ for pipeline control:0  E   o primary machine at the corporate datacenter. IIRC, the datacenter 8     has three 3600 horsepower diesel-powered generators.  @   o secondary machine at a Southwestern Bell building in Dallas;6     the tertiary control center is also located there.  D   o tertiary machine in a downtown office building where the primaryD     control center is. This is the location for the tertiary system 4     because of a lack of a diesel-powered generator.  D There is a huge UPS for the primary control center, that can provideF power long  enough for staff to drive to Dallas. The secondary control/ center is located in another building downtown.h      2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaild   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 18:15:44 -0600 + From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)e Subject: DLM questions3 Message-ID: <dMv38OplTuAu@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  * VMS V7.1-2, Two AS 1000As, 1G memory each.  > I've been working on a minor performance problem on a two nodeA SCSI cluster.  Seems that accessing a specific file from one noden8 is drastically slower than the other during high traffic= conditions.  I did a MON LOCK/ALL/REC during the time when wed< could reproduce the problem, and have started looking at the= results.  I'm familiar with how LOCKDIRWT and PE1 will affect 6 lock traffic, but there are some questions that remain unanswered.   @ My first question is where should I start looking to address the@ fields in the output titled "ENQs Forced To Wait Rate" and "ENQs> Not Queued Rate"?  I did a Google search through COV and found; some info, but nothing that said "High values here mean theh4 FRAMMINJAM SYSGEN parameter is too low", or similar.  @ My second question has to do with PE1.  This determines the size> of the largest lock tree that can be moved.  How do you figure+ out the size of the lock trees on a system?3  @ RTFMing is fine, I'd just like some help narrowing down which FM and section would address this.    Thanks,i Marty   @ P.S. So as to not be off-topic with the seemingly endless stream9 of off-topic subjects in COV recently, I'd like to say...i  8 Carly and Curly are in on the conspiracy!  The Alpha was< Murdered!  VMS is better than unix in every way!  Shannon is@ right!   MicroSoft Enterprise is an Oxymoron!  USA Rulz, and theA rest of the World can go pound sand!  Your favorite band stinks! n: Shannon is wrong!  VMS is dead!  Long Live VMS!  Joe Mama!  & :^p   (smiley emoticon saying phhhhft)   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 20:22:39 GMT.= From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818)l* Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)+ Message-ID: <anktaf$ddk@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>-  Y In article <aneq66$o4g$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes: t >In article <72f5654.0210011225.4934b40b@posting.google.com>, francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.it (Francesco Gennai) writes:g >>Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> wrote in message news:<3D996314.3C585889@digital.com>...4     (David?)O >Try MAILMAN from ENDYMION see http://www.endymion.com/  this uses PERL and I'mrN >pretty sure others have run it on VMS in the past. It uses POP to access the  >user's mailboxes.  F 	I tried, without success, to get this to work on OpenVMS with CSWS.  D 	There's just too many local assumptions made by Endymion it seemed.  C 	I wound up using Netwin's WEBMAIL on a Tru64 box to access my PMDF 9 	POPStore and VMS MAIL.MAI files using PMDF on OpenVMS.  o  G 	The Netwin folks DID indicate a willingness to work with me on porting F 	their CGI script, webmail.cgi, to OpenVMS.  I just haven't taken them? 	up on it yet.  For an educational site like me, it's less thansD 	$500/year as it is, and neither Tru64 or OpenVMS is going away here
 	for a while.     P +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+B | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")		InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu < | Systems Design Specialist - Lead	AT&T:      (814) 865-18189 | Digital Library Technologies		FAX:       (814) 863-3560v2 | 3 Paterno Library				"I'd rather be dancing..." B | Penn State University		    A host is a host from coast to coast,K | University Park, PA 16802	    And no one will talk to a host that's closenC | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>	    Unless the host that isn't closeu: | EMail Professional since 1978	    Is busy, hung or dead.P +---------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999]e3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> --	/"\ 	\ /	ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN 	 X	AGAINST HTML MAIL. 	/ \   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:46:40 -07001 From:  <nospam@euro.com>U% Subject: EV8: The Post-ultimate Alpha $ Message-ID: <3D9E0C40.64F2@euro.com>   "EV8: The Post-ultimate Alpha"
  by Joel EmerM   Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:10-4:00 p.m. 1003 Engineering II5 University of California, Davis   D Through the 1990's the Alpha microprocessors which were designed andG sold first by Digital Equipment Corporation and then by Compaq Computer5H Coroporation were widely considered to be the fastest microprocessors inB the market. Recently, however, Compaq decided to migrate away fromG Alpha-based system and stopped development of its next generation Alpha5E microprocessor, the EV8. Since the EV8 is not going to be produced, IDH plan to use this talk to present some of the design objectives and ideas that were planned for EV8.  > http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/department/colloquia/02-03/emer.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:48:38 +0200Y From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>) Subject: Re: First 7.3-1 problem detected`5 Message-ID: <K0on9.173408$H6.14419393@zwoll1.home.nl>=   Dirk Munk wrote: > Well, my first problem :-) > H > I was trying to startup Apache T1.3 (which worked fine in 7.3) and it   > stopped with an error message. > C > This is what is happening now in the Apache startup command file:- > J > $       create /name_table/nolog/executive/parent=lnm$system_directory -F >               /protection=(system:rwed,owner:rwed,group:r,world:r) -$ >               apache$logical_names= > $       set acl /nolog/new/object_type=logical_name_table - B >               /acl=(identifier=[apache$www],access=read+write) -$ >               apache$logical_names6 > %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGTAB, no logical name table name match > - > The table is there, so what is wrong here ?n >    some more information:  N edit /acl has the same problem. It seems that it is not possible to add a acl N entry to any logical name table that has a parent. So only the directory name C tables LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY and LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY can be found.r  ! This is a quite serious problem !    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:48:57 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>% Subject: First 7.3-1 problem detectedi5 Message-ID: <joln9.173169$H6.14335189@zwoll1.home.nl>a   Well, my first problem :-)  N I was trying to startup Apache T1.3 (which worked fine in 7.3) and it stopped  with an error message.  A This is what is happening now in the Apache startup command file:r  H $       create /name_table/nolog/executive/parent=lnm$system_directory -E                /protection=(system:rwed,owner:rwed,group:r,world:r) -0#                apache$logical_namest; $       set acl /nolog/new/object_type=logical_name_table -sA                /acl=(identifier=[apache$www],access=read+write) ->#                apache$logical_namese4 %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGTAB, no logical name table name match  + The table is there, so what is wrong here ?i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:28:40 +0100>' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy.@ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!. Message-ID: <3D9D7B68.4080805@nospamn.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:4 > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message > L >>>HP-UX runs on Itanium-1.  Customers/ISV's may have chosen to do migration >>>using that platform.  >>>i >>>  >>7 >>So provide some examples of customers migrating theiro7 >>applications and data from an existing PA-RISC system - >>to an Itanium I or II system running HP-UX.e >>0 >>I suspect that there is now going to be a long1 >>silence from Freddy, par for the course though.g >> >  > N > Still a putz, aren't you.  Why in the world would you think I have a list ofH > HP-UX customers?  Or any insight into their customer base.  Oh, that'sN > right - your in marketing so that would be the norm for you.  Tell you what,D > send me the list of all Sun customers, and I'll see what I can do. >   8 So why are you arguing a point when you have admitted in9 this post that you are entirely ignorant about the meritsl of your argument ???  : And you cal me a putz. Freddy boy when will you ever learn8 get some mirror time and please please please try a tiny bit of thought before posting.   Regardsz Andrew Harrisonn   >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 18:54:28 GMTt4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>Y Subject: Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMSMultisession 0 Message-ID: <3D9DE1C2.9DB3CBC7@blueyonder.co.uk>   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > 7 > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:e > > "Zane H. Healy" wrote:P > >> server.  In other words, I fire up a VNC session under Linux, connect to itM > >> on my WinXP box, and then tryed to get DECterm, or DECmail to display on I > >> that VNC session, no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to work.0 > P > > Ah, did you try the security negating -ac switch to Xvnc? I have to use that4 > > with Cygwin to get xdm to work from VMS as well. >  > > so Xvnc -ac -query vaxname > 1 > > is the way to go if you are happy to use -ac.r > N > No, I'd not heard of this option, I might give it a try when I get a chance,K > but I think I'm happier with the solution I came up with, since it allows>I > for 'separate' OpenVMS, UNIX, and Windows XP 'desktops' all on the same 
 > machine.  K yup, I can do that with vnc, I run one Xvnc for linux session, one for VMS >M (both running on linux) on different ports and two vnc clients on my desktop.>I You can also run several servers with cygwin, of course, you specify theme like this :1 :2 etc.  N So, you got xdm working to vms with cygwin WITHOUT specifying -ac? I couldn't.   > M > > hmmm, Cygwin has a nasty habit of entering paging frenzy then crashing ateP > > inoportune moments. Also, eats up memory the IP stack on W98 is using. Also,V > > with xdm from VMS, there is a very odd problem of only partial mouse functionalityN > > for me. Xvnc is not quite as nice an Xserver (no scroll mouse for example)- > > but it isn't crashing continually for me.h > N > My guess is that it runs better on WinXP.  My only problem has been that forH > some odd reason the CDE 'toolbar' thing didn't show up.  I solved thatL > problem by logging in using 'eXodus' on my G4 PowerMac, and dragging it toK > the center of the screen, and then logging out.  Once I logged back in on > > the XP system, I was able to possition it where I wanted it. >   U Maybe. My suspicion is extra RAM would help but theres still 1/2 gig of free pagefileo) so why the **** doesn't Windows use that?s   regardsm   -- r tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk e  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:28:47 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: Marvel performance ??????6 Message-ID: <IK2dndrFEpJVCgCgXTWc2Q@News.GigaNews.Com>  L "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3D9DCDDD.6090605@home.nl...G > Has anyone heard or seen any performance figures of OpenVMS on Marvelr	 hardware?uJ > I at least haven't seen anything, and I'm sure something should be known by now.  >lL > I did hear a rumour that those figures are so spectacular that publication isD > surpressed. Why you may ask? Well, some managers may not feel that comfortablePJ > now about certain decisions that were taken regarding the wonderfull new Intelj" > future that lies before us......  J IIRC SPEC and TPC rules would allow publication of performance data now asJ long as the product will be available prior to the end of 2003Q1.  Itanic2K performance publication was delayed until the putative (has anyone actually L managed to obtain - not just order - a production Itanic2 system yet?) earlyI July launch, but I suspected that was to have as much time as possible to,A choose the best-appearing benchmarks to use and to maximize their  performance.  L The only SPECint2K figure I recall seeing is 804, from an EV7 presentation aK year or so ago.  It seemed extremely conservative at the time (my guess wasrJ that it was obtained at 1 GHz or less), and even more so when the 1.25 GHzG EV68 exceeded that figure by a significant margin:  Paul DeMone over atiI realworldtech.com has been projecting EV7 SPECint2K performance at aroundtL 1000 for a long time, and that seems very reasonable.  I did notice recentlyK (I forget where) a suggestion that EV7 would release at 900 MHz and 1.1 GHzrG and only reach 1.2 GHz at a later date:  while previous EV7 speeds havepK consistently been reported as 1.2 GHz (sometimes 1.25 GHz) and EV68 appearseJ happy in that region, I suppose it's possible that other areas of the chipC may not be - though it's hard to avoid suspecting that a deliberaten$ slow-down might also be responsible.  L Non-clustered TPC-C is easier to fudge than SPEC, since it's so sensitive toJ storage configuration and database set-up.  So while EV7 should completelyI blow the doors off anything else in this area, whether the benchmark willtL reflect this is completely in the hands of the testers.  If it's true that aL fast, large on-chip cache is the key to good SPECweb99_SSL benchmark resultsF then EV7 should excel there as well - and that seems to be a benchmark0 that's easy (and inexpensive) for anyone to run.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:17:36 +0200, From: "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> Subject: mouning floppy driven. Message-ID: <ank4di$jke$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>   Hello,  L I am trying to mount a normal floppy disk (1.44) on floppy drive of my AlphaK server (OpenVms 7.2). But i get the error message '%MOUNT-F-FORMAT, invalid  media format'.F I never mounted a floppy drive. So i think i am doing something wrong.  
 Any idea's Regards,
 Hamid Bourchi-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:32:03 -040022 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: mouning floppy drivea. Message-ID: <3D9D9853.E950C603@mindspring.com>   Hamid Bourchi wrote:   > Hello, >oN > I am trying to mount a normal floppy disk (1.44) on floppy drive of my AlphaM > server (OpenVms 7.2). But i get the error message '%MOUNT-F-FORMAT, invalids > media format'.H > I never mounted a floppy drive. So i think i am doing something wrong.  . A "normal" floppy disk straight out of the box) has a Windows (FAT-32) file system on it.S. That will certainly provoke the 'invalid media format' message.  - Don't $mount the floppy until you've $init'edn, it (so that it has a VMS file system on it).   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 08:47:05 -0600e- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: mouning floppy driveg3 Message-ID: <ebwtJtfpxBCK@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  ] In article <ank4di$jke$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>, "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com> writes:W > , > I am trying to mount a normal floppy disk       define "normal":       1) MS-DOS format     2) Mac format    3) Files-11 ODS-2	    4) .../  J    VMS understands Files-11 ODS-1, Files-11 ODS-2, High Sierra, ISO 9960, =    and Files-11 ODS-5, none of which are common for floppies.n  D    There's free software on the 'net and software in Pathworks which)    understand various MS-DOS FAT formats.h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:49:20 +0200, From: "Hamid Bourchi" <hbourchi@hotmail.com>! Subject: Re: mouning floppy drive . Message-ID: <ank690$k8j$1@odysseus.uci.kun.nl>  6 Ik get the same error message when i try to INITIALIZE& the floppy. (INITIALIZE DVA0: floppy).  A "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> schreef in berichty( news:3D9D9853.E950C603@mindspring.com... > Hamid Bourchi wrote: >D
 > > Hello, > >oJ > > I am trying to mount a normal floppy disk (1.44) on floppy drive of my Alpha0G > > server (OpenVms 7.2). But i get the error message '%MOUNT-F-FORMAT,o invalidr > > media format'.J > > I never mounted a floppy drive. So i think i am doing something wrong. >i0 > A "normal" floppy disk straight out of the box+ > has a Windows (FAT-32) file system on it. 0 > That will certainly provoke the 'invalid media > format' message. >k/ > Don't $mount the floppy until you've $init'eda. > it (so that it has a VMS file system on it). >  > Atlant >a >V   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:16:04 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t! Subject: Re: mouning floppy drived, Message-ID: <3D9DF703.4C6E72D6@videotron.ca>   Hamid Bourchi wrote: > 8 > Ik get the same error message when i try to INITIALIZE( > the floppy. (INITIALIZE DVA0: floppy).  * try INIT dua0:/density=hd/label="MYVOLUME"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:17:37 -0400# From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com>a Subject: Re: Mount ISO Image3 Message-ID: <3d9df7da$0$1423$8e9e3842@news.atx.net>d            Thanks Works Great !!!w                   Robe  0 > > Is there a tool to mount ISO images for VMS?4 > > I'm using the VCD tool on Windows to Test Images5 > > But it would be neat to test right on the VMS box  > / > Install the lddriver (free from HP) and type:d >3 > $ ld conn x.iso ! > $ mount/ov=id/media=cdrom ldan:- > $ dir ldan:[*...]  > $ dism ldan: > $ld disc ldan: >o
 > eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:21:45 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a Subject: Re: Mount ISO Image' Message-ID: <3D9E68D9.F8998089@fsi.net>e   rob@netcarrier.net wrote:M >  >         Hi > / >  Is there a tool to mount ISO images for VMS?u3 >  I'm using the VCD tool on Windows to Test Images 4 >  But it would be neat to test right on the VMS box  H From my hobbyist machine, MOUNTing one of the CDs I'll be passing out at> the pre-symposium seminar I'm giving come Monday in St. Louis:  ' DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mount/over=id dka400b* %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked> %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, HPETS2002:HPETS2002 (1 of 1) , mounted on  _DJAS01$DKA400:o  ? The disk was written using Gear for Windows in ISO-9660 format.t   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 23:11:15 -0600e- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)R Subject: Re: Mount ISO Image3 Message-ID: <kAf9M5gQf992@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  [ In article <3D9E68D9.F8998089@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:- > rob@netcarrier.net wrote:a >> r
 >>         Hi4 >> 70 >>  Is there a tool to mount ISO images for VMS?4 >>  I'm using the VCD tool on Windows to Test Images5 >>  But it would be neat to test right on the VMS boxa > J > From my hobbyist machine, MOUNTing one of the CDs I'll be passing out at@ > the pre-symposium seminar I'm giving come Monday in St. Louis: > ) > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mount/over=id dka400e, > %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked@ > %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, HPETS2002:HPETS2002 (1 of 1) , mounted on  > _DJAS01$DKA400:o > A > The disk was written using Gear for Windows in ISO-9660 format.w  J On earlier versions of VMS one must explicitly specify /MEDIA_FORMAT=CDROMI for mounting an ISO9660 CDROM.  In my experience, one must still add thatoI if mounting an ISO-9660 volume other than on a genuine CDROM drive.  ThatPG is, when I mount an Infoserver partition on VMS I must specify it, so IiJ presume the same might be true using the software driver someone mentionedG earlier in this thread for mounting an image without committing it to ao CDROM.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:59:06 -0500[& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>7 Subject: NetBeans for OpenVMS: not just for Java loversR8 Message-ID: <b44rpuclf6k0f6sc3q61qoo478la5bcjsf@4ax.com>  5 NetBeans for OpenVMS is now a full-fledged integratedc8 development environment (IDE) for C and C++ development.6 This is made possible with the brand new C/C++ plug-in3 module designed for OpenVMS developers. This moduleW7 fully integrates editing and compiler support for C and : C++ files within the NetBeans IDE. Features include source8 code (and command file) editing with customizable syntax8 highlighting; compilation and build execution within the7 IDE, including error navigation; script execution usingp3 DCL command procedures of single or multiple source < files; and fully customizable property settings on a global, per-project and per-file basis.-  8 Another optional plug-in introduced with this release of5 NetBeans is the EDT support module. This offers users:: familiar with EDT keybindings similar functionality within2 the IDE. A CMS (version control management system). support module is about to enter beta testing.   For more information, visit:5 www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:24:43 -0400& From: "BellNews" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> Subject: Re: netscapeh; Message-ID: <6Ffn9.16644$Qh1.1700181@news20.bellglobal.com>e  < If you assigned a static IP address to your system, it is my< experience that you must configure the BIND resolver, giving3 the address/name of your router as the name server.    ScottD= "Phillip Sobottke" <psobottke@ameritech.net> wrote in messages9 news:c64n9.2114$F53.2124910@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com... I > I'm having trouble getting netscape to connect to the internet.  I have K > configured tcp/ip, but am not sure if I used the right addresses.  I have	K > all the info for my ethernet card, router, and internet provider.  I have I > DSL with a linksys router, should I be using a static IP address?  WhenoI > trying to connect, netscape tells me there is no DNS entry.  Thanks for  your	 > support0 >  >m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:54:26 -05001& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>Y Subject: now available! universal service processor (USP) V6.0 forOpenVMS AlphaServer sysm8 Message-ID: <qp3rpu8pbsj4vagjm80kb7ibfuobh5eij5@4ax.com>  2 Universal Service Processor (USP) provides OpenVMS5 AlphaServer systems with a high performance messagingC/ middleware framework integrated with the Compaqh3 Secure Web Server (based on Apache). USP delivers as= very flexible and robust set of features that facilitates the . development and deployment of high performance7 distributed applications with traditional client/servera3 RPC technology or message broadcasting. USP is alsot7 an excellent tool for integrating existing applicationsa. running on OpenVMS systems into an intranet or Internet environment.t  2 USP V6.0 includes a service-oriented architecture,. synchronous and asynchronous messaging, secure4 communication, interfaces for a variety of platforms1 and multiple programming languages, and XML-based-3 message exchange. The broadcast capabilities of USP 4 are unique and include reliable and scalable message6 broadcasting with publish/subscribe, pattern matching,1 and fan-out of broadcast messages to save network7 overhead and bandwidth.M4 For more information on USP or to download USP V6.0,? visit: www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/usp/usp.htmlT   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 15:54:37 -0600=- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)E( Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?3 Message-ID: <GhOaKHZgsLGq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <00A14F5A.98E6F571.15@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:  F > If I remember correctly the CD-ROM kits offered by DEC/Compaq/HP areH > quite expensive and only available to subscribers of an update serviceG > contract. (Kits without a subscription contract may be available as aoH > "first media kit" for new customers having just bought an Alpha server > or a workstation.)  < Dash-release media kits have been about $12 in recent years.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2002 15:56:24 -0600e- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?3 Message-ID: <l78LyRiy5QhP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <00A14F5A.98E6F571.15@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:  F > If I remember correctly the CD-ROM kits offered by DEC/Compaq/HP areH > quite expensive and only available to subscribers of an update serviceG > contract. (Kits without a subscription contract may be available as aSH > "first media kit" for new customers having just bought an Alpha server > or a workstation.)  E But having gotten 7.3-1 today, it would be quite a bit more than $12,(B based on the contents.  It was the H-releases that were about $12.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:01:27 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c( Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3-1 for Hobbyist?' Message-ID: <3D9E6417.7ADDF35C@fsi.net>0   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > 8 > Michael Rice <MichaelARice@no-spam.knology.net> wrote:I > > Good to know...although I still don't have anywhere to get the media.0 > K > I would assume that you can buy a Media Kit from HP, I know I was able to  > buy 7.2-1H1 from Compaq.  5 The hobbyist kit has been selling for circa. $35, no?,   HP gets hundreds.    -- r David J. DachteraA dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:08:31 +0100i' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyw! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategicr. Message-ID: <3D9D76AF.1010000@nospamn.sun.com>   John Santos wrote:' > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, John Smith wrote:y >>Arne,t >>L >>There is a difference between typesetting and printing a brochure aimed at: >>Sun/IBM users, and actually sending it to Sun/IBM users. >>N >>Yes we've all be asking for VMS marketing directed at non-VMS customers. AndN >>to a certain extent it has been done from time-to-time. But the execution ofK >>the marketing strategy has often failed due to stupid errors. Not mailingmN >>the brochure to the intended audience and then following up with sales calls >>may be one of them.t >>L >>Not being in the UK, I simply asked if anyone there knows of Sun/IBM shops' >>that actually received this brochure.c >  > C > I believe Arne was replying to Andrew's followup question and not  > to your original question. > B > Andrew's followup was, as usual, content free, and so not worthy
 > of a reply.t >   < Have you joined to choir, its just that in your response you& encompass perfectly the Choir mindset.  & My posting was short and to the point.  . If you want a longer explanation then read on.  B 1.	Do you understand the difference between strategy and tactics ?  B I hope so, the "OpenVMS marketing" we are referring to is tacticalD not strategic. No one in their right mind would consider a marketingE promotion that has less than one months validity to be anything otherbA than tactical. Though there are also other descriptions that also & spring to mind like sad and desperate.  B 2.	Do you know what the likely lead times are for large corporates& when it comes to decision/purchasing ?  R I hope so, becase the offer is unlikely to be practical for most customers, unlessJ they happen to have an OpenVMS order in the pipeline or if the order valueM is below the level where its scrutinised extensively. Of course if its in thezO first category then all HP are doing is sacrificing margin, they may get peopleaK to bring planned OpenVMS orders forward into the current revenuable quarterbK but thats about it. If its in the second category then its not likely to be C any kind of strategic order/decision and it also sacrifices margin.t  C 3.	Can you think of any reason why this kind of offer will be of no I interest to Sun/IBM customers except if they are also OpenVMS customers ?e  K I hope so. If they arn't OpenVMS customers already then the chances of themeH making their minds up for a change of platform and doing it plus issuingI the order in a timeframe that will fall inside the offer period is almostt nil.  J If they are OpenVMS customers allready then the first part of point 2 alsoN applies. It might have the effect of bringing forward allready planned OpenVMSK orders in return for buybacks on Sun/IBM servers, but given the time framestN these will almost certainly have to be systems that are already decommisioned.  E In other words in return for bringing out their dead IBM/Sun kit someiF customers may just bring their orders forward into this quarter, while HP will eat some more margin.t  J As and example of marketing given the timing and the target platforms thisC is desperate stuff. If you want a good analogy HP is the equivalentMI of a Specialist Pork butcher leafleting visitors to the Wailing Wall withF1 a pre Passover offer on discounted Pork products.o   Regardsd Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 19:16:46 GMTh4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategic 0 Message-ID: <3D9DE6FB.88686311@blueyonder.co.uk>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  m > ; > If you can think of one single valid reason why a Sun/IBMv9 > account that does not have any OpenVMS systems would besA > interested in this marketing programme then please advance themm5 > otherwise my point which was short and to the point:	 > stands.k     / trawling for marketting ammunition now, Andrew?c   -- n tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk i  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:01:35 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>b! Subject: RE: OpenVMS is strategictT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9732@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew,p  G >>> If you can think of one single valid reason why a Sun/IBM account =uD that does not have any OpenVMS systems would be interested in this =G marketing programme then please advance them otherwise my point which =t% was short and to the point stands.<<<m  H How about higher availability with multi-site (say something easy like =( 50km) clustering of more than two nodes?  
 Check out:J http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/unix/illuminata_dt_unix_research_note.pdf=     :-)t   Regardsd  
 Kerry Main Solutions Architect  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----) From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy =i1 [mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]=20h Sent: October 4, 2002 7:20 AMw To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategicu         Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >=20 >> John Smith wrote: >>D >>> Related to my 1st  question above - have any IBM or Sun shops=20& >>> actually received these brochures? >> >>. >> Would it make any difference if they had ?? >=20 >=20 > Pretty dum question. >=20. > How many posts have you read here asking for% > more and broader marketing of VMS ?w >=20 > Probably just a few hundred !  >=20* > So yes - it would please a lot of people+ > to hear that every IBM and SUN based shop  > has gotten that brochure.  >=20  F So you make no distinction whatsover between effective marketing and = marketing that is ineffectual !o   Unsuprising.  / This is a horribly tactical marketing programmeO2 it is all about getting customers who have planned: OpenVMS purchases to bring them forward into this quarter.  ; Given its short validity and the target base it is unlikelyhI to have any impact on Sun/IBM shops, unless they also buy OpenVMS, have =cJ a purchase in the pipeline and happen to have some decommisioned IBM/Sun =G boxes that they can use to make HP eat some more margin. Since all of =eF this is a bit of a long shot you can see that the difference between =? effective marketing and ineffective marketing is all important.;  H If you can think of one single valid reason why a Sun/IBM account that =I does not have any OpenVMS systems would be interested in this marketing =.G programme then please advance them otherwise my point which was short =a and to the point stands.   Regardss Andrew Harrisonh   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:56:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategico, Message-ID: <3D9E006B.796DDBC9@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:q > How about higher availability with multi-site (say something easy like 50km) clustering of more than two nodes?   E Such a great operating system is rather useless if you don't have theo# applications you need to run on it.e  L If an IBM shop is all CICS/IMS/DB2 etc and uses 3rd party apps that run only> on MVS, then migrating to VMS would be a considerable project.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:56:04 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>o! Subject: RE: OpenVMS is strategic T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660A72@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,t  F >>>If an IBM shop is all CICS/IMS/DB2 etc and uses 3rd party apps that> run only on MVS, then migrating to VMS would be a considerable project.<<<w  D Of course. However, it would be a major project to move to any other platform - not just OpenVMS.=20N  G However, perhaps the mainframe folks are starting to think their 31 bitfG platform that goes down weekly / monthly for "scheduled" maintenance isa8 getting to be a drag ie. having a tough time keeping up.  G COBOL is obviously the basis for many big applications on mainframe andaG they are typically heavily customized. They are also a huge batch basedmC environment. They might be good candidates for a RTR fault tolerantMF solution with Oracle 9i RAC and full 64bit platform, multi-site PROVENG solution with datacenters 50-100km apart. Perhaps with Galaxy on an EV7 B Marvel platform that allows CPU's on different OS partitions to be9 migrated to the OS partition that needs the extra cycles.   G Batch queues move jobs to least busy server and application folks don'tnD need to care what system in what datacenter or what site is actually0 processing their processing and/or job requests.  F Would they also consider 64bit mainframe stuff IBM is starting to roll out?  C Sure. Of course, the mainframe business is so huge that even a verys3 small percentage would be a big win for any vendor.u   :-)R   Regardse  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesl Voice: 613-592-4660@ Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom       -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]=20n Sent: October 4, 2002 4:56 PMm To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategic5     "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > How about higher availability with multi-site (say something easy like  * > 50km) clustering of more than two nodes?  E Such a great operating system is rather useless if you don't have the # applications you need to run on it.h  G If an IBM shop is all CICS/IMS/DB2 etc and uses 3rd party apps that runsC only on MVS, then migrating to VMS would be a considerable project.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:45:08 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)a2 Subject: Re: OpenVMS LPD x LAT Printers - HELP !!!+ Message-ID: <ankgik$l8n$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  q In article <20021004160516.87032.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:u >DAvid >M4 >I did it ! It worked, but in may LAT OpenVMS server1 >the TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE comes .... with a lot of job  >errors. >- > 1 >Server queue TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE, idle, on C16000::,k >mounted form DEFAULTm >e5 >  Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Statusi5 >  -----  -------         --------     ------  ------ * >   5917  CFA001C16001_EP_PETROBRAS_COM_BR7 >                         TCPIP$LPD         1  Retainedc	 >on errors0 >       %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 07649FF24 >         Completed  4-OCT-2002 13:00:53.81 on queue >TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE* >   5918  CFA002C16001_EP_PETROBRAS_COM_BR7 >                         TCPIP$LPD         1  RetainedH	 >on errori0 >       %NONAME-E-NOMSG, Message number 07649FF24 >         Completed  4-OCT-2002 13:00:57.34 on queue >TCPIP$LPD_QUEUE   Doing   . Alpha1:set message sys$message:tcpip$msg.exe    = ( or on older systems  set message sys$message:ucx$msg.exe )    	 and then A Alpha1:exit(%x07649FF2)	   shows   F %TCPIP-E-LPD_NOPROXY, user !AS has no permission to print on this host  7 You need to see how you've setup LPD to handle proxies.    The commandt  J SET SERVICE LPD/FLAGS=APPLICATION_PROXY  causes LPD to authenticate remoteJ users through the TCP/IP proxy services database. If set you need an entry< for each user in the proxy server database added by doing :-  A TCPIP> ADD PROXY user_name /HOST=host_name / REMOTE_USER=username     H You can disable this by setting SET SERVICE LPD/FLAG=NOAPPLICATION_PROXY     Hope that helpsb  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University        1 >--- David Webb <david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:o4 >> In article <3D9D0A0B.C79DED08@fsi.net>, "David J., >> Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> >Fabio Cardoso wrote: >> >> 3 >> >> I have an old AS-1000 located 2000 km from myi4 >> >> datacenter with a few LAT printers (no TCPIP).. >> >> How can I configure the LPR queues in my2 >> >> local server to print in the LAT printers in, >> >> the other (remote) server ? I searched >> comp.os.vms and( >> >> didnt find any useful information. >> >> 	 >> >> Ex:1 >> >> 5 >> >> (LPR)local SERVER 1  ----> (LPR)remote SERVER 2p >> ----> >> >> LAT Printerg >> >5 >> >If I understand your query correctly, you want to  >> print from a machines7 >> >with TCP/IP to a machine without TCP/IP (regardlesst >> of whether the-3 >> >target queue processor is PRTSYM or LATSYM - itr >> would make no >> >fundamental difference). >> >5 >> >Obviously, a machine with no TCP/IP cannot accept  >> an incoming LPD >> >connection request.  >> >4 >> >All I can suggest is to look into DQS. That will >> require routing DECnetw  >> >to the remote site, however. >> >4 >> >If, on the other hand, the question is TCP/IP -> >> TCP/IP, the targeth0 >> >queues are LATSYM queues, that's a different >> critter. Not sure how too4 >> >pull that off, but it may have something to with >> pointing the queue(s)1 >> >on "Server 1" to the counter part queue(s) onr >> "Server 2". Dunno - been a 2 >> >while since I tried to pull a stunt like that. >> > >> f6 >> We do the latter all the time from some SUN systems >> to queues1 >> running on a VMS system pointing at either LAT  >> queues or TCPIP queues on a >> Novell system.1 >> l6 >> (The reason for the redirection of the TCPIP queues >> is that the Old Novellr5 >> system requires the remote printer name to includew >> the full NDS context and thet6 >> old Solaris system's lpr/lpd only allows this field >> to contain a printer name3 >> upto 14 characters long. The VMS systems doesn'te  >> have this restriction hence a1 >> little bit of redirection solves the problem).w >> o4 >> To get this to work with Dec TCPIP services / UCX >>  1 >> 1) On server 2 setup print queue using LAT etcl >>   >> 2) mcr lprsetup i >> f  >>    setup queue as local queue >>   >> 3) On server 1  >> i >>    mcr lprsetup >> O$ >>    setup remote queue specifying  >> h' >>    remote machine (rm) to be server2i >> -6 >>    remote printer (rp) to be the printer queue name >> on server 2 >>   >> w1 >> Then any print to the queue on server1 will be ! >> passed by lpr to the lpd queuer7 >> on server2 and will then print off on the lat queue.  >> K >> o3 >> (for our TCPIP redirection to the novell systems  >> steps 1 and 2 are justn >> replaced by >>   e >>    mcr lprsetup >> t$ >>    setup remote queue specifying  >> >0 >>    remote machine (rm) to be on novell server >> running Unix print services >> a6 >>    remote printer (rp) to be the printer queue name >> exported by Novell server.e >>   >> u >> ) >> t1 >> You can chain as many lpr - lpd - lpr - lpd  sd >> together as you wish.6 >> Though obviously each one of these links introduces >> an additional potential >> point of failure. >> m
 >> David Webbs >> VMS and Unix team leader. >> CCSSt >> Middlesex Universityk >>   >t >  >===== >==========================w >Fbio dos Santos Cardoso  >OpenVMS System Managerl >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brp >==========================n >h3 >__________________________________________________t >Do you Yahoo!?e* >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.comn   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:16:47 GMTt From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGn4 Subject: Re: Originator of detached process from DCL0 Message-ID: <00A14F0F.3ABC5240@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <a159f330.0210040450.740971da@posting.google.com>, tironef@yahoo.com writes:Sb >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D9D1A59.2023785E@videotron.ca>...K >> > > I can tell that I'm running as a detached process as JOBTYPE=0.  TheoH >> > > MASTER_PID points to the detached process when I need to know who >> > > created it. >> e >> F$GETJPI(mypid, "UIC")> >> F$GETJPI(mypid, "USERNAME") >> eM >> The UIC is the UIC in effect at the time the "father" created the detachedr >> process.  >>  O >> Consider an experiment I did today: killled TCPIP$POP process, and magically H >> "someone" recreated it. (I suspect TCPIP$INETACP process). Obviously,+ >> TCPIP$INETACP has all mighty privileges.t >> yO >> But for me, when I want to create a detacted process that runs on a specifici >> account, I use M >> SUBMIT/USER=username STARTUP.COM   where STARTUP.COM is the procedure that O >> acually creates the detached process, running under that account.  Otherwisen= >> RUN/DETACHED will put your UIC into the new process's UIC.e >n
 >JF Mezei, >s2 >I tried your suggestion and here are the results:, >$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$GETJPI("", "UIC")'" >[MIS,TIRONEF]1 >$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$GETJPI("", "USERNAME")'"i >TIRONEF >eA >I'm trying to determine which process or application created theOB >detached process.  This job can be just submitted or created as aG >detached process from a process named ABATEMGR.  If my job is run from - >ABATEMGR, I need to do additional procssing.n >A >Thanks, >h >Frank    L I do not believe there is any supported way to do this.  VMS itself does notM maintain anything in the job/process structures that could be used to reflecttM the evolution of a process of this type.  Only a subprocess maintains any in-W1 formation regarding its origin -- the master PID.d  M I once needed to do this for a customer and I'd developed a $CREPRC hook thatiA would create a job logical with this information for easy access.e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMI            p5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:11:23 -0400y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m4 Subject: Re: Originator of detached process from DCL, Message-ID: <3D9DF5EA.9FE73534@videotron.ca>   tironef@yahoo.com wrote:B > I'm trying to determine which process or application created theC > detached process.  This job can be just submitted or created as aaH > detached process from a process named ABATEMGR.  If my job is run from. > ABATEMGR, I need to do additional procssing.   ouch.0  M Can ABATEMGR be modified ? If so, then ABATEMGR could "pass a message" to theMM detacted process to indicate it should do the extra processing. One way to dos  this is to use the process name.  G I.E. when ABATEMGR creates the detached process, it specifies a specialsJ process name. And when the detached process starts , it checks its processI name to see if it is the special keyword and if so, then does the specialr> processing and then renames itself to a standard process name.  J I am not really sure it is possible for a detached process to know who its
 parent is.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:17:43 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's5 Message-ID: <bOln9.14548$H67.67117@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>u  G "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> a crit dans le message de news:t  ankd9d$qde$3@milo.mcs.anl.gov...9 > Nice.  I never noticed that new (post-5.5-2) qualifier.K >gK > It's not pretty, but it's fairly easy to write the DCL for your .COM filee to6 > ask an interactive user for a password with no echo.  ; Problem is,  I don't ask user and password, I run in batch..   > If you have commonB > usernames between VMS and Windows, your DCL knows your username.   but not the password  8 DECnet proxies are a good way to go around this problem.  I I believe that, if using the SMBclient, the OS security will take care ofaJ that. But it's not certain because on VMS, my "Windows" security really is% set up in Advanced Server, not Samba. H What I mean to say is, if I would use Advanced Server to do the copy, itL (Advanced Server) would know I'm administrator, and Windows at the pther endK would accepr the connection. Samba will probably not know I'm administratordG and Windows will ask for a username and a password to access the share.s  ? This is my guess. If anyone can say I'm wrong I'm glad to hear!f   Syltremn  3 > Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541w > scandora@cmt.anl.gov >e > 7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messageo1 > news:%I0n9.14443$H67.66480@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... 7 > > What I dislike, it to have user/pwd in a .COM file.wC > > Anonymous is not very good either, best is DECnet with proxy... " > > But you're right, FTP is easy. > >  > > -- > >i > > SyltremeC > > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - enO	 franais)1< > > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address > >mL > > "Aaron Sakovich" <alphaman-nixspam@hsv.sungardtrust.com> a crit dans leG > > message de news: 8af17fe1.0210031113.798eb473@posting.google.com...y= > > > "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote in messageN+ > > news:<anf9md$48l$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>...  > > > : J > > > > FTP -- you run an FTP server on your PC (not difficult) and an FTP
 > > clientL > > > > utility program on VMS (not difficult, but not as easy as DCL $ COPY > andm > > $t > > > > DIRECTORY commands). > > >>= > > > But it IS as easy as a DCL $ COPY or DIRECTORY command:0 > > >n! > > >  $ DIR /FTP pc"user pass":::! > > >  $ DIR /FTP /ANONYMOUS pc::m? > > >  $ COPY /FTP vmsfile.ext pc"user pass"::"\dir\pcfile.ext"e > > >pK > > > And don't forget with TCP/IP 5.3 you've also got the /PASSIVE switch.o > > > B > > > Too bad you can't TYPE/FTP nor DELETE /FTP (although you canL > > > approximate the former by copying to TT:.)  I hope that in the future,J > > > any network spec (node::) will be automatically routed to the proper > > > networking services. > > >p > > > Aarone > >t > >  >( >t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:31:55 -0500, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's+ Message-ID: <ankd9d$qde$3@milo.mcs.anl.gov>-  7 Nice.  I never noticed that new (post-5.5-2) qualifier.<  L It's not pretty, but it's fairly easy to write the DCL for your .COM file toH ask an interactive user for a password with no echo.  If you have common@ usernames between VMS and Windows, your DCL knows your username.  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541l scandora@cmt.anl.gov    5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in messagem/ news:%I0n9.14443$H67.66480@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... 5 > What I dislike, it to have user/pwd in a .COM file. A > Anonymous is not very good either, best is DECnet with proxy...a  > But you're right, FTP is easy. >r > -- >d	 > SyltremhK > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)$: > To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >nJ > "Aaron Sakovich" <alphaman-nixspam@hsv.sungardtrust.com> a crit dans leE > message de news: 8af17fe1.0210031113.798eb473@posting.google.com...9; > > "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> wrote in messagel) > news:<anf9md$48l$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>...  > > :dH > > > FTP -- you run an FTP server on your PC (not difficult) and an FTP > clientJ > > > utility program on VMS (not difficult, but not as easy as DCL $ COPY and  > $p > > > DIRECTORY commands). > >o; > > But it IS as easy as a DCL $ COPY or DIRECTORY command:t > >x > >  $ DIR /FTP pc"user pass"::y > >  $ DIR /FTP /ANONYMOUS pc::l= > >  $ COPY /FTP vmsfile.ext pc"user pass"::"\dir\pcfile.ext"m > >tI > > And don't forget with TCP/IP 5.3 you've also got the /PASSIVE switch.  > > @ > > Too bad you can't TYPE/FTP nor DELETE /FTP (although you canJ > > approximate the former by copying to TT:.)  I hope that in the future,H > > any network spec (node::) will be automatically routed to the proper > > networking services. > >t	 > > Aaronk >t >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 04:33:46 GMTV- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>=* Subject: Re: Pathworks, and shares on PC's= Message-ID: <KYtn9.11387$m92.3074304@news1.news.adelphia.net>p   Syltrem wrote:I > "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov> a crit dans le message de news:n" > ankd9d$qde$3@milo.mcs.anl.gov... > 9 >>Nice.  I never noticed that new (post-5.5-2) qualifier.O >>K >>It's not pretty, but it's fairly easy to write the DCL for your .COM filet9 >>to ask an interactive user for a password with no echo.  > = > Problem is,  I don't ask user and password, I run in batch.   D The batch job will need to know the remote username and password to : connect to unless you are using anonymous or proxy access.  I You can set up a special account to transfer files, where the account is eF limited to being a drop box.  If the account is compromised the worse ? that the offender can do is attempt to spoof the file transfer.   D The user of the transferred file should do an integrity check on it  before it is used.  G Or proxies can be used.  UNIX supports RCP daemon.  I am not sure that  # there is one for Microsoft Windows.e   > F >>If you have common usernames between VMS and Windows, your DCL knows >> your username.: >  > but not the password  G The account used should be a dedicated account, not an interactive one.M  G You can encode a password into an identifier, and grant the identifier i9 to the OpenVMS account that is dedicated to the transfer.   F The batch job can know how to look up the identifier from the granted < identifier based on a naming convention, and then decode it.  D The identifier requires privilege for anyone other than the account 6 granted to it to access it so it is relatively secure.  7 And the password is not known to the command procedure.i  B Of course it will still probably show up to network sniffers, and  possibly log files.e  : > DECnet proxies are a good way to go around this problem. > K > I believe that, if using the SMBclient, the OS security will take care of'L > that. But it's not certain because on VMS, my "Windows" security really is' > set up in Advanced Server, not Samba.oJ > What I mean to say is, if I would use Advanced Server to do the copy, itN > (Advanced Server) would know I'm administrator, and Windows at the pther endM > would accepr the connection. Samba will probably not know I'm administratorCI > and Windows will ask for a username and a password to access the share.   H Advanced Server will accept a remote file transfer from a LANMAN client H like Microsoft Windows.  The connection is initiated by the client, and 8 the client determines the account used for the transfer.  C Advanced server does not initiate a connection from OpenVMS to the CE client.  For the LANMAN protocol there is SMBCLIENT, or a commercial u# LANMAN client from Vector Networks.e  4 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/pathworks/related.html   Other options include NFS.  C FTP is usually the simplest way to implement a batch file transfer.-   -John- wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only0   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:48:54 GMTM& From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com>Y Subject: Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ Class Library Librd) Message-ID: <3D9D8E4A.6B122322@attbi.com>    Kenneth Block wrote: > J > > Have you considered depreciating the interfaces and removing them from5 > > the documentation while leaving them in the code?i > C > Absolutely, but to get the cost savings of not having to continueaC > qualifing and porting, removal is necessary. Retirement is a longl) > process, deprecation is the first step.l > : > On Tru64, the first step was to announce the retirement.  ; Done.  C&C have already deprecated, and eviscerated, Tru64.s --   Cheers, Bobf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:57:17 -0500b& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>2 Subject: SpiritSoft achieves OpenVMS certification8 Message-ID: <204rpuk5b63ukr7eus5hhaf8g0k173mj4u@4ax.com>  # By Markham Tate, Director, BusinessD Development, SpiritSoft, Inc.e  7 As Java and J2EE become standard platforms for building.8 distributed systems, enterprises want to build JMS-based2 applications but are reluctant to abandon existing4 investments in current messaging systems. SpiritSoft6 supports these existing investments while bringing the6 latest technology in messaging architecture to OpenVMS;  building on the platforms qualities of high-performance,y: reliability, fault tolerance and scalability. SpiritSofts1 standards-based solutions allow OpenVMS customerss7 to migrate existing applications from current messagingk6 systems and transaction monitors while maintaining, or% in many cases, improving performance.   . SpiritWave Message Server provides an advanced7 multi-cluster architecture to deliver against demanding 4 enterprise applications in mission-critical business2 environments. This decoupled messaging environment5 offers an enterprise class, JMS-based transport layer 8 and client framework to replace or bridge to proprietary5 messaging systems (e.g., MQ Series, Tibco Rendezvous, 0 Tuxedo, SWIFT and MessageQ). SpiritWave provides3 both publish/subscribe and point-to-point messagingr5 modes. With SpiritSoft, OpenVMS customers can realizel7 a highly flexible, heterogeneous messaging environment.l  : Fully certified on J2EE Version 1.3.1, SpiritWave supports3 XML processing for integrating legacy applications,d5 databases and web services over internal corporate IT 4 environments and the Internet. The platform provides7 functionality not offered by other JMS implementations, 6 including SpiritCache, the only commercially available1 JCache implementation. This message-based cachingo8 solution will provide OpenVMS customers with significant: cost savings by positively impacting the issues associated5 with distributed systems including latency, bandwidthn# usage, and performance bottlenecks.n  . For more information visit: www.spiritsoft.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:46:20 -05002 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net> Subject: Re: tcp/ip == UCX/ Message-ID: <ups6ht124ltd40@corp.supernews.com>    Yes,  L That would be nice. If I remember correctly, UCX stood for UNIX Connection -G but a lot of folks just pronounced the name "YUX", commenting about itsa. usefulness. Early versions were pretty lame...  I This is another area where DEC's management missed the ball; they thought J that ONLY shops with Unix boxes would want TCP/IP, and to them, networkingL was DECNet, period! They feared. I believe, that making the transfer of dataL to and from other vendors systems would enable more users to "jump ship" andG switch vendors. I think the opposite is true - people dropped VMS / DECE9 because it didn't support other systems well for so long.   G Another example of this was DEC's SNA gateway. Boy, that was a piece of J work! Anyone that successfully wrote systems using that - on their own (noL contractor or in-depth product schooling) - REALLY has my respect. I managedD to do it, but only because I was a systems programmer with 20+ yearsC experience, and had direct access to the CICS and Mainframe systemscJ programmers. This thing is primarily programmed at the $QIO and AST level.E There is no entry level coding for it. There were no working examplesVH provided, either. I could go on, but then I would be on my soapbox about6 IBM's LU6.2, which isn't a HP/Compaq/DEC issue at all!   Regards, Stuart Johnson ssj152 AT charter DOT netr    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D9D028E.298DA839@videotron.ca... > Stuart Johnson wrote:o > >t > > Phillip, > >u@ > > TCP/IP, as provided by HP/Compaq for OpenVMS, is called UCX. >eL > Isn't it time that they fixed up the naming and dropped UCX allltogether ?D > There should be just a TCPIP licence (with hidden back-support for existing0 > UCX licences, but no new UCX licences issues).   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 18:17:20 -0500 (CDT)r From: sms@antinode.org Subject: Re: tcp/ip == UCX) Message-ID: <02100418171994@antinode.org>s  2 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>  F > [...] If I remember correctly, UCX stood for UNIX Connection - [...]  0    My recollection is the VMS Ultrix Connection.  * > [...] Early versions were pretty lame...  G    As of version V2.something, it lacked some critical feature which mymG employer needed at the time, so we went with Wollongong's product (theng called WIN/TCP).  C    Not yet having seen TCPIP V5.3, can anyone reveal if CTRL/T doesnE anything so nice in its FTP client as the PathWay client did (severaln years ago) during a transfer?:  - Receiving file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BIG_FILE.;mE Elapsed time 00:00:11.14, 260096 bytes transferred (~22.80 KB/second)r  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)eC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)sG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)k9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:09:59 -0500f1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s Subject: Re: tcp/ip == UCX' Message-ID: <3D9E6617.F6915415@fsi.net>n   Stuart Johnson wrote:s >  > Yes, > N > That would be nice. If I remember correctly, UCX stood for UNIX Connection -  + "Ultrix Connection", actually, I believe...t  G Part of the problem is that when looking for license, the program callsqG the necessary services passing a product name string. It would be up toaF the program to look for either TCPIP-SERVICES (or whatever they'd call@ it) and, failing that, try UCX, one or more of the NAS PAKs, ...   ...as I understand it.   --   David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:50:56 GMT 2 From: "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com>( Subject: Try VCL too. Re: 'hobbyist' vmsD Message-ID: <APpn9.8917$OB5.890400@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  ( Also try Boston Business Computing "VCL" at http://www.bosbc.com/vcl.html) I own vcl and their edt for Windows. Botha) are fantastic. VCL eve supports logicals.r% http://www.bosbc.com/wedt.htm for EDTi   Bill  3 "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote in message ! news:anki9q$hun$2@lore.csc.com...pL > There is a free product (with more functional paid version) called OpenDCL7 > Lite, which may be what you mean. You can find it at:i >i& >     http://www.accelr8.com/dcll.html >g > Torsten Mattfeldt wrote:3 > > VMS embedded into another operating system e.g.w6 > > under Windows has been called 'hobbyist' software./ > > As far as I understand, one can use similarl) > > commands as n VMS but keeps the basice > > operating system intact. > >n > > My questions:i > > # > > 1. Is such a solution possible?l > >f! > > 2. If so: where can I get it? ) > >    a) for Windows32 (NT, 2000 or XP)?e > >    b) for Linux? > >t > > Torsteno >s >r >y   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:14:21 GMTm1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>e9 Subject: Re: VMS future (oh not not another one of these) < Message-ID: <xEmn9.40846$Pz.33238@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D9D0762.7EE5001F@fsi.net...s > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:n > >s > > > , > > > A kind-but-anonymous person has helped1 > > > me to remember that I was thinking of Larrym3 > > > Cabrinetti (+/- a bit of spelling). Larry was 5 > > > the uberVeep in charge of that bit of the worldt6 > > > that developed and failed to successfully market
 > > > Multia.g > > >  > >dC > > I remember the guy. Smart, pleasant, well-dressed. Not directly  responsiblesL > > for the Multia Disaster. Blame that on the marketing chumps that refused toI > > call the thing a cheap Alpha PC (it was) or a cheap Alpha workstationi (itt	 > > was).d > >oF > > Some of the Microsofy software on the box was pretty slick. And if you're a@ > > former DEC stockholder, you'll be delighted to know that DEC DELIBERATELYH > > destroyed a warehouseful (10K-15K) of Multias somewhere over in Asia where>F > > they were made. Didn't want 'em getting loose and depressing Alpha "value." > >v< > > There really ought to be a book about Stupid DEC Tricks! >VI > I wanna know what brain surgeon actually believed a desktop Alpha coulda6 > do anything besides bolster sales of large machines! >hI > I don't see Deskpros dis-/replacing Proliants. What could they POSSIBLYc > have been thinking??!!  . Ummm, Unified Field Theory? Quantum Mechanics?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:20:22 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ) Subject: Re: Volume shadowing performance:, Message-ID: <3D9DF805.B61AE3F8@videotron.ca>   "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:3 >  > Hi Roland, > N > I ran a quick test, FTP'ing a 50Meg file to a single disk, and a dual-memberN > shadow-set (9Gig, 10KRPM in each case).  I ran the test three times for eachO > disk, and saw no appreciable difference to either disk (4.8 to 5.4Mb for eacht > transfer)n    L IS it possible that the target drive is badly fragmented and thus writes are slower ?  G Are the shadowset members linked via MSCP on the ethernet ?  That wouldwK essentially halve the ethernet throughput since each packet sent by the FTP L client would be "echoed" on the ethernet as it is transmitted to all members of the shadowset.a  N A better measure might be to use COPY to send a large file to the shadowset orM to a non-shadow drive and then use tools such as MONITOR DISK to see what the  maximum/average throughput iso   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:11:21 +0000 (UTC)* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)< Subject: Re: Why slow system when using logical search list?' Message-ID: <anl05p$sgr$1@news.ums.edu>e  N Thanks for the feedback so far.  Some of the comments are insightful, some not$ so.  Here is more info as requested.  2 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  E >Well, if you're accessing something on another node via DECnet, thatrH >means the I/O must traverse the DECnet line/circuit which, I'm betting,0 >is not capable of even SCSI-I speeds (5MB/sec). >p >That'd be my first guess.  J The statement is true enough as it stands, and would explain why access isJ slower over Decnet than to a local disk.  However, it does not explain whyO access over Decnet with a search list is slower than access over Decnet withouttI a search list.  Both the 8 sec/file and the 45/sec file accesses are overg Decnet.w  ) Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:iG >Did you do any testing using a search list that matched only the localhB >node (i.e. DECnet not involved?) Did you try different numbers of >'targets' for the search list?i  M I reran the test using only 2 elements in the search list (instead of 3), theaM first one being the one with the node name and the 2nd being a local disk.  I=P also tried reversing them, so the remote access was 2nd and the local disk 1st. O In both cases I still have poor performance.  When I changed the search list topL have just 2 elements, both of which were local disks, it took only 4 secs to process.  C So, having a search list per se is not enough to cause the degradede performance.  . koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  I >   How long between attempts?  There is an obsrevable delay in opening aoD >   connection via DECnet if the remote node does not have a processE >   running to accept the connection.  Once such a process starts, itlB >   hangs around after it goes idle because there is often another >   connection soon.  M No delay imposed by the test program, it reds an entire file then immediatelyoN proceeds to the next.  So the interval between opens is roughly 45 secs in the0 poorly performing case, 8 secs in the fast case.  M What I think you're really looking for, however, is the interval between wheneL the FAL program exits (because the channel is closed) and when the next open2 request comes in.  As I said, that is almost zero.  M If your theory is that the interval is too short and VMS has to start anotherIN process, let me add that I looked at the remote system while the test is goingI on and there is only one network process.  If it had to start another ones/ there'd be two server processes hanging around.o  I Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> was the most helpful;eB thanks Hein.  It didn't quite explain my case, however.  He wrote:  R >I suspect the explanaiton is to be found in the RMS search list processing rules. >See:e >eD > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/731FINAL/4506/4506pro_018.html# apps_search_list_parsing >c >It sepcifically reads:TJ >"When RMS tries to locate a file using multiple search lists, it uses all >combinations of theR >elements in the search lists. First it combines the first entry in the first list >with the first entry1P >in the second list. Then it combines the first entry in the first list with the >second entry in the
 >second list.d [snip]  J This is interesting, I had not known it.  The problem is, I am *not* usingF multiple search lists; I'm using only a single search list.  Also, theD paragraph deals with an open using both a primary and a default fileL specification; I do not use a default file spec.  So, this paragraph doesn't apply.  , An example of multiple search lists would be   	$ DEFINE LIST1 DISK1:,DISK2:r$ 	$ DEFINE LIST2 [WHITE],[RED],[BLUE] and using an OPEN of4 	OPEN,1,FILE='LIST1:FOOBAR.DAT',DEFAULTFILE='LIST2')  L In this case RMS would try every combination of every element of each searchN list, for a total of six tries, before giving up.  As i said, though, I am not< using a default file spec, so there is only one search list.  K Besides, even if I *was* using multiple search lists, the search would stop:M after RMS found the file I requested.  Since I'm specifying an exact filenametN on each open, and the files all exist, and the first element in my search listK is the location of the file, RMS would stop its search after the first try.   K So, while this explanation comes closest to my test case, it still does not2 explain the observed behavior.     Does anyone else have an idea?  O To recap, when I use a search list to do an open to a file (in a test program), I with one of the elements of the search list being a remote system and the L others being local disks, and the files actually reside onthe remote system,N it takes about 45 secs to read through a file, during which time there is highI kernel mode and interrupt mode activity (35% and 30%).  If I redefine theML logical name to not be a search list but point only to the remote system 9so? there is still network traffic), it takes only 8 secs per file.I  O Another thought just occurred to me, which may give some folks an idea.  If the M problem I'm observing only occurs during file lookup and open, I should see a N large impact once every 45 secs.  After a channel is established, there shouldJ be no further need to do a lookup, and therefore the search list should no longer come into play.  Right?  N Well, the observed behavior differs from this model.  I observe 100% cpu usageK for the entire 45 secs it takes to read the file, with kernel and interrupt I mode use at high levels the entire period; *not* just at the outset.  So,pK something is going on that persists throughout the read file activity.  ThesJ file is read using unformatted Fortran READs, btw, and that doesn't change betwen test cases.  F Yes, this makes the puzzle a bit more complex, and I'm still at a loss& to explain why it occurs.  Any takers?   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:31:14 -0400h2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>+ Subject: Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?a. Message-ID: <3D9DDE72.F374ED54@mindspring.com>   Tony Scandora wrote:  A > "Atlant Schmidt" <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message  >/* > > Right. Don't help someone migrate *TO*. > > VMS by providing any kind of compatibility& > > back to their legacy Unix systems. >WN > Well said, Atlant.  Just because we keep our CMS libraries and .EXE files onE > Files-11 disks doesn't mean we don't need to exchange data with itsaM > producers and consumers.  To that end, an Exchange or FLX-like utility that>J > could move files in and out of a foreign format rotating disk or virtualN > disk container file would not be too difficult to write and would be useful.   Thanks for those kind words.  3 I'd actually forgotten about EXCHANGE (as that term 6 has now been overloaded in my brain with several newer3 meanings) but that's an excellent point/suggestion.>  7 It's also clear from this discussion that lots of folkse0 have seen various ways to access these "foreign"- file systems; has anyone every put together al/ [nearly-]exhaustive list of the methods and thes file systems supported?i  0 It seems to me that that would be very good info( for the FAQ (if it's not already there).   Atlant   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.549 ************************