1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 07 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 553       Contents:0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"...! boot cdrom, backup image, reboot? ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)   Re: EV8: The Post-ultimate Alpha FDDI LINKS FAILED  Re: Mount ISO Image  Re: OpenVMS is strategic+ Re: Originator of detached process from DCL P SYS$SYSROOT and SYS$SPECIFIC (was Re: logical name weirdness (was: RE: UAF Probl Re: Version control on OpenVMS/ Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ? / Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ? / Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ? / Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ? / Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ? " Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 14:47:51 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... & Message-ID: <3DA03F07.2020302@iee.org>   Tim Llewellyn wrote:  G > Isn't the real issue that it is technically illegal to invent or omit J > qualifications on ones' CV? I know people do, but I thought it certainly6 > was illegal in the UK. Maybe it just isn't enforced.  B I don't know whether it is *illegal* to invent qualifications on aA CV, but it's certainly grounds for dismissal once discovered. I'm A surprised that anyone would consider *omitting* qualifications to H be a problem (except maybe those acquired at Her Majesty's pleasure ...)   Antonio    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:16:04 -0400  From: gce <ge@gce.com>9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <anqn8n$6b3$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   I This string has turned into a real muckpit, namecalling off the wall etc.   K Just one thing though. The guy here was a financial advisor. If y'all don't I work in a financial institution you may not realize how many and detailed H are the regulations in that industry. Significant mis-statements on yourE resume or anywhere else that can be considered official can force the  institution to fire you.  E When I was hired, one of the documents they required was a copy of my C degree. Fortunately I could still find the original paper and got a B whole passel of copies made. This stuff has to do with regulationsC oftentimes, and they are very often not flexible. They have usually @ been put into place for good and sufficient provocation as well.   Glenn Everhart   >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:00:50 +0800 ) From: Kiasu Surfer <verykiasu@hotpop.com> * Subject: boot cdrom, backup image, reboot?8 Message-ID: <pet1qu0jm8u3crcle908jp2eu0ejfddmsu@4ax.com>  N Is it possible to reboot the server when you boot to standalone via boot CDROM disc?   P I need to backup the disk images of all my large disks, and it would take almost@ half a day. My backup script is written on a mounted floppydisk.  N First I would boot from CDROM, adjust the machine time (firmware bug?), select the menu option to access DCL.     My script would do these:  ======================== Mount all the disk.  BACKUP/IMAGE bla..bla..bla.. Dismount all the disk  and  REBOOT???!! (how?)  % How to achieve the reboot unattended? . Could a modem attached to the graphic console?   Regards,  	 Kevin Lai    **************** ** SPAM BLOCK ** ****************? REPLACE "verykiasu" with "iamverykiasu" at verykiasu@hotpop.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:55:31 GMT $ From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU* Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)8 Message-ID: <00A150D0.E12B5DE6@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  U In article <BixJe+e9vBAP@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: c >In article <3D9FF666.5060909@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:  >> JF Mezei wrote: >>   >>> Arne Vajhj wrote:4 >>>>BTW, how does VMS MAIL handle the same problem ? >>> C >>> The same way because this is a limitation of the POP protocol.   >>  ! >> You misunderstood my question.  >>  4 >> How does VMS MAIL handle the sitituation with two0 >> sessions (f.ex. good old VT320's) reading and' >> deleting email at the same account ?  >>   > ; >I have seen it get confused when logged in from my laptop.   H It can get confused about the total number of unread emails, but I'll beJ surprised to hear that it ever deletes the wrong message, because it seemsH to keep track of the messages not by sequential position in the newmail F folder but by RMS record number.  (You say "delete 3", but the client N translates that into an RMS record number and RMS will report an error if it'sJ already been deleted, rather than deleting the new 3d entry in the newmail
 folder.)    @ In JF's example, the POP client doesn't know anything about the O underlying storage and can only say "delete 3", and the POP server doesn't have M any other context.  (IMAP clients remember considerably more state than that, O which doesn't necessarily map directly to anything in the VMS MAIL folder; PMDF G IMAP creates a bunch of additional files to keep track of this stuff.)    G POP users seem to default to unified download and delete operations, or I download and never delete - the clients remember something about the last O message they read that keeps the same client from downloading the same messages K over and over; as a result, there's little incentive to do mailbox cleanup.    -- Alan    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2002 12:14:17 -0700 ' From: pittmanjr_wtcc@yahoo.com (Justin) ) Subject: Re: EV8: The Post-ultimate Alpha = Message-ID: <f292e7c6.0210061114.7539f2d0@posting.google.com>   	 Dr. Emer,   ? Can you post an audio/visual recording of your lecture?  I, and E probably others  not local to California, would appreciate listening.   
 Sincerely,   Justin  E   <nospam@euro.com> wrote in message news:<3D9E0C40.64F2@euro.com>...   > "EV8: The Post-ultimate Alpha" >  by Joel Emer  >  > Thursday, October 10, 2002 > 3:10-4:00 p.m. > 1003 Engineering II ! > University of California, Davis  > F > Through the 1990's the Alpha microprocessors which were designed andI > sold first by Digital Equipment Corporation and then by Compaq Computer J > Coroporation were widely considered to be the fastest microprocessors inD > the market. Recently, however, Compaq decided to migrate away fromI > Alpha-based system and stopped development of its next generation Alpha G > microprocessor, the EV8. Since the EV8 is not going to be produced, I J > plan to use this talk to present some of the design objectives and ideas > that were planned for EV8. > @ > http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/department/colloquia/02-03/emer.html   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:23:23 +0800- From: "Fred Jiang" <r54123@email.sps.mot.com>  Subject: FDDI LINKS FAILED+ Message-ID: <anqr85$36e$1@newshost.mot.com>    buddy,H We have two ES40 servers and a DS10 (quorum node) consisted as a cluster system. L We use DEFPAAA (PCI TO FDDI adapter) to connect them together. However, LastL time re rebooted the two ES40 while keep DS10 on line. Somehow, We found oneL of the members joined and Both ES 40 hung.the LED of the DEFPAAA showed thatF links were failling and then link failed.Does any friend know the root reason?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:07:09 -0400  From: gce <ge@gce.com> Subject: Re: Mount ISO Image+ Message-ID: <anqj7h$ktk$1@bob.news.rcn.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:] > In article <3D9E68D9.F8998089@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >  >>rob@netcarrier.net wrote:  >>
 >>>        Hi  >>> 0 >>> Is there a tool to mount ISO images for VMS?4 >>> I'm using the VCD tool on Windows to Test Images5 >>> But it would be neat to test right on the VMS box  >>J >>From my hobbyist machine, MOUNTing one of the CDs I'll be passing out at@ >>the pre-symposium seminar I'm giving come Monday in St. Louis: >>) >>DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mount/over=id dka400 , >>%MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked@ >>%MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, HPETS2002:HPETS2002 (1 of 1) , mounted on  >>_DJAS01$DKA400:  >>A >>The disk was written using Gear for Windows in ISO-9660 format.  >  > L > On earlier versions of VMS one must explicitly specify /MEDIA_FORMAT=CDROMK > for mounting an ISO9660 CDROM.  In my experience, one must still add that K > if mounting an ISO-9660 volume other than on a genuine CDROM drive.  That I > is, when I mount an Infoserver partition on VMS I must specify it, so I L > presume the same might be true using the software driver someone mentionedI > earlier in this thread for mounting an image without committing it to a  > CDROM.  J There are drivers for VMS that will allow you to treat disk image files asH disks. VDdriver will do this if the files are contiguous. I have anotherI driver that has been called fddriver, zrdriver, or dtdriver but which has H a host process that will allow any file (no matter how fragmented) to be so treated.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 03:31:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: OpenVMS is strategic I Message-ID: <0e7o9.150427$q41.19942@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message 0 news:71udnQLnx6Zd4gKgXTWcrg@News.GigaNews.Com... > H > Into low-end systems, yes - but DEC was already doing that to at least someJ > degree.  PCs were (as noted above) a different proposition, and required6 > significant work to make usable by computer novices. > E > DEC arguably could have done this in the late '70s and captured the  market. L > But it lost this opportunity as soon as IBM entered the arena, because theK > IBM PC almost immediately became perceived as the standard (regardless of H > how pitiful a standard it was) and all subsequent attempts (except for3 > 'compatibles') immediately became niche products.   G Recall that IBM's marketing goal for the original PC was expected to be H something in the vicinity of 10,000 units TOTAL over the lifetime of theG product. DEC could have had a decent shot at owning the market had they K introduced their product with open architecture as IBM did with the PC. But L DEC would not have done that. The closest DEC came to that was licensing theK manufacture of Unibus gear, until the mid-80's when they did an about face.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 10:43:24 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org4 Subject: Re: Originator of detached process from DCL1 Message-ID: <slrnaq06mm.8bc.danco@ns2.pebble.org>   = In article <a159f330.0210051221.7e7c851d@posting.google.com>,  tironef@yahoo.com wrote:  I > I can't modify abatmgr.  It is a purchased job scheduler.  Great ideas!   B Oh, too bad.  If you could have modified the program, I would haveC suggested having it create a temporary mailbox, assign a channel to B the mailbox, specify the mailbox as the termination mailbox in theF creprc process call, have the new process use getjpi to determine it'sC termination mailbox, and then call getdvi to determine who owns the F mailbox.  The owner of the mailbox is then the creator of the process.   - Dan    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2002 20:30:35 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)Y Subject: SYS$SYSROOT and SYS$SPECIFIC (was Re: logical name weirdness (was: RE: UAF Probl = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0210061930.42982b29@posting.google.com>   s spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0210031810.7dba9a84@posting.google.com>...  > "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.21.0210031909480.31193-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>...- > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Phillip Helbig wrote:  [...]  > : > $ DEFINE AEF$SYSROOT SYS$SPECIFIC:/TRAN=CONC,SYS$COMMON: > E > Also, maybe the form above did *not* work in older versions of VMS, F > which would explain why SYS$SYSROOT is defined using the translationG > of SYS$SPECIFIC instead of SYS$SPECIFIC itself (yes, plus SYS$COMMON, 
 > of course).   A Actually, this is right. This would not have worked under VMS 4.0 E according to my V4.4 copy of "Guide to File Applications" in which it & says under "New and Changed Features":  ? [begin quote] A logical name that is defined with the concealed D attribute no longer must translate directly to a physical device but? can translate to another logical name as shown in the following  example:  @ $ DEFINE MY_ROOT DISK$WORK: [ROOT.]/TRANSLATION=CONCEALED ! [end quote]  E Therefore, since clusters came out with V4.0, that version of VMS had F to use a translation that contains an actual physical device name. And9 perhaps DEC just never saw any need to modify that since.    Two down, one to go!   [...]    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 19:46:08 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> ' Subject: Re: Version control on OpenVMS / Message-ID: <uq14o0bfrvu6f4@corp.supernews.com>   , Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:M : I've used cvs in such cases.  It has the advantage of clients for VMS, unix 7 : and Windows but you'd have to put the server on unix.   
 ... or linux.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2002 07:24:58 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?3 Message-ID: <lnmiZ6oPG7M6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <00A150C2.3D399A6C.4@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes: 2 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > D >> Ok, say I am developping a product that requires a username to be > created on >> the VMS node. >>F >> what is the best/politically correct way to determine which UIC and	 > name to G >> use ? Should the installation procedure just create a fixed username  > with aF >> fixed UIC, hoping there is no conflict, or should it ask the system > manager in- >> which UIC he'd like that account created ?  > D > I suppose to use usernames of the format "XYZ$username" is "commonC > standard" with "XYZ" being the company's/supplier's name. The UIC G > group itself should be determined by the system manager, i.e., he has  > to be asked about that.   C The XYZ$username is only "legal" if XYZ is a facility name that has - been registered with HP(nee Compaq(nee DEC)).   F >> Are there guidelines that writers of installation procedures should > follow to @ >> provide the software with a username acceptable to the system > manager (and to  >> the software) ?  C The registration of facility names is the mechanism for doing this. A One problem is that they keep changing the address for doing such B registrations, even faster than they change the company name.  LJKA Software has the name "LJK" and it is used for multiple products.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:43:36 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0610022043360001@1cust221.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   ? In article <anpp28$gu8$1@paris.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher"  <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> wrote:    >Hi, > F >On a pre-emptive note, I listen intently to almost everything StephenL >Hoffman has to say but when it comes to VMSINSTAL he is completely wrong. II >doubt that the alternative (polycenter?) will be around much longer. How % >much does support of that crap cost?   H Which section of the Clear Blue Sky did you grab this from?  There are 2B or 3 people that I know of who _might_ be more qualified than HoffD regarding VMS installers.  Should I add you to my list?  What is the source of your expertise?   H PCSI remains under active development at HP.  I don't know that the same can be said of VMSINSTAL.   J If you have specific problems with PCSI (I assume you do since you call it' "crap"), you should log a support call.   F VMS developers making new installers should use PCSI.  There are a few$ reasons to use VMSINSTAL, including:  ; 1. You are targeting a version of VMS without PCSI support. J 2. You already have a VMSINSTAL, and don't want to do the work to convert.    H >When it comes to registering your facility code the Developers Guide toJ >VMSINSTAL (which can be found in the obsolete products section of the VMSH >doc set) had an appendix E (iirc) that led me (ok eventually) to a veryJ >helpful lady who advised me how to register TIER3 as a product and my T3$L >facility code. I won't publish her name here (in case she gets swamped) but6 >if worst comes to worst just open a help log with HP.  G Thank you for reminding folks about registering facilities.  This is an , important step that is too often overlooked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:07:47 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?, Message-ID: <3DA09813.E6CCF253@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote: > > Compaq reserves group 1 and groups 300--377 for its own use.  M TCPIP Services uses the group 3655 ... Seems that even internally, they don't M follow all the guidelines. (or have they runned out of UICs ? in the original  300-377 group ?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:17:52 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?, Message-ID: <3DA09A70.79337C75@videotron.ca>   Thanks for the comments.  M The problem I find with asking for username/UIC is that by the time vmsinstal I is running and prompting for the information, it isn't very easy to go to K authorize and decide where that new username should be put. Perhaps I could I give the system manager the change to spawn to authorize, decide where he I wants the username and then return to VMSintal and answer the question...   M Or could I spawn to AUTHORIZE asking the system manager to create a "vanilla" F account, then when returning to VMSinstal, ask him for the name of theN username chosen, and that my procedure would only need to modify it to give it the stuff it needs ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:31:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?, Message-ID: <3DA0E3E9.4E80F484@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote: H > VMS developers making new installers should use PCSI.  There are a few& > reasons to use VMSINSTAL, including: > = > 1. You are targeting a version of VMS without PCSI support. L > 2. You already have a VMSINSTAL, and don't want to do the work to convert.  @ Is PCSI capable of putting files in various directories/drives ?  M For instance, setup the main software on a non-system disk, and provide a few ; shareable images in sys$library : ?????? Can PCSI do that ?     J PCSI does add the "product database", but that could have been done failry easily with VMSinstal.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:03:13 -0400  From: gce <ge@gce.com>+ Subject: Re: Writing a new VMS filesystem ? + Message-ID: <anqmgk$3ov$1@bob.news.rcn.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:b > In article <3D9CA1A7.38C69762@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>, Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> writes: >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>! >>>   o UDF        - what's that?  >>O >>It's just the successor to ISO 9660 CDROMs!  Nothing important, really.  It's P >>most often used for packet writing multiple sessions on CD-R and CD-RW and canN >>often be closed to ISO 9660 format.  Oh, and it's also used on DVD-ROMs, DVD >>video, and DVD-R disks.  >  > B >    Now that I can see a need for.  ODS-6 would be a good target. >   O If writing a new filesystem (amounts to writing a new ACP or XQP), Kirby's book L on VMS filesystems and Jamie Hanrahan's book are invaluable. You need sourceD listings for this though. I will add there are some other resources.  P Safety sources have some value for this also, just by way of showing some things that can be done at FDT time.   P There are some useful things buried in RMS. For example if dev$v_dap is set on aE device, the device gets DECnet DAP packets sent to its startio entry. I There are some other bits that can be set which will cause RMS to force a G device's file attributes to be stream, regardless of what else goes on.   O Finally I recommend looking very carefully at the Spiralog filesystem interface P rather than the ODS2 one. Much was cleaned up and made programmable for SpiralogS (since it broke all the ODS2 assumptions about disk format) and if you can convince O RMS that your ACP is a Spiralog ACP, you will probably have an easier time than ) if you try to pretend to be ODS2 on disk.   L There haven't been many non-DEC ACPs written though, and the ins and outs ofL emulating all that is needed are not well documented. You want to ensure youN have an FCB chain, and want usually to specify that the ACP needs to be calledN for all operations unless you can make the window block actually map somewhere2 on storage. There's more...use the source, Luke...   Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.553 ************************