1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 07 Oct 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 554       Contents:0 Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... Re: 'hobbyist' vms 6.3 firmware on DS20 systems% Re: boot cdrom, backup image, reboot? % Re: boot cdrom, backup image, reboot?  C: sizeof question with structs # Re: C: sizeof question with structs # Re: C: sizeof question with structs # RE: C: sizeof question with structs  Re: Disable access log on CSWS! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail) ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail) ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail) ! Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail) 
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 Re: F$LOGICAL P F$LOGICAL (was: Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ ClP Re: F$LOGICAL (was: Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C+: good ol' VMS MAIL (was: RE: e-mail web client (SilkyMail))7 How to switch to 100BT network with little implications ; Re: How to switch to 100BT network with little implications ; Re: How to switch to 100BT network with little implications 7 Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"! 1 Re: logical name weirdness (was: RE: UAF Problem) ) Problem with DEC TCP/IP and about patches - Re: Problem with DEC TCP/IP and about patches - Re: Problem with DEC TCP/IP and about patches L Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ Class  Library+ Regarding spiritwave "certification" on VMS ; Re: Sony 40/12/48 CD-RW IDE usable wih CDRecord on OpenVMS?  Telnet Sessions Freezing Re: Telnet Sessions Freezing Re: VMS 7.3 DCL / MX VMS mail log/ Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ? / Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ? / Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ? 9 [OT] Fortune named Carley Most Powerful Woman in Business   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:50:35 +0200 E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> 9 Subject: Re: "Underqualified tipster backed HP merger"... + Message-ID: <3DA19F3B.F1D85D9F@mediasec.de>   G > When I was hired, one of the documents they required was a copy of my E > degree. Fortunately I could still find the original paper and got a  > whole passel of copies made.  H That's not SOP in the US? My, are you believing in the integrity of your future employees.   H Mind you, there are cases where it doesn't help much - strangely enough,G quite often in the medical sector where you'd think people checked most I into the qualifications of people they're going to allow cutting up other  people.    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2002 09:28:49 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: 'hobbyist' vms 3 Message-ID: <x17YaJrjDPiX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <anljau02vhc@enews4.newsguy.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:  > L > From what I was told a couple days ago (admitadly not by them), apparentlyJ > they've decided to no longer offer a Hobbyist version of their emulator.  D    For a while their hobbyist page had an explanaiton.  Now I can no#    longer find their hobbyist page.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 01:35:29 GMT $ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>% Subject: 6.3 firmware on DS20 systems , Message-ID: <Bx5o9.65021$PP.97353@rwcrnsc53>  J Here's a heads-up.  I installed the 6.3 firmware on an ES40 system runningJ 7.3 this week and had absolutely no issues.  I installed in a DS20 and theH darn thing wouldn't boot.  At various places during the boot, the systemL would just hang - not crash, just hang.  This happened multiple times.  When: I re-installed the 6.1 srm code, the system came right up.  I I will be logging this with DEC^H^H^HHP tomorrow.  Hopefully it's a known I issue since I can't really afford to take a system down and upgrade it to H the point where boots hang for troubleshooting.  FWIW, this system has a* CIPCA, 2 FDDI adapters, and a KZPCM in it.  I I'm convinced the RRD47 read the HP logo on the CD and let me know how it  felt :-)   Cheers, 
     .../Ed -- Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2002 11:17:25 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) . Subject: Re: boot cdrom, backup image, reboot?0 Message-ID: <anrqg5$bvj$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  d In article <pet1qu0jm8u3crcle908jp2eu0ejfddmsu@4ax.com>, Kiasu Surfer <verykiasu@hotpop.com> writes:O >Is it possible to reboot the server when you boot to standalone via boot CDROM  >disc? > Q >I need to backup the disk images of all my large disks, and it would take almost A >half a day. My backup script is written on a mounted floppydisk.  > O >First I would boot from CDROM, adjust the machine time (firmware bug?), select   >the menu option to access DCL.  >  >My script would do these: >========================  >Mount all the disk. >BACKUP/IMAGE bla..bla..bla..  >Dismount all the disk >and   >REBOOT???!! (how?)  > & >How to achieve the reboot unattended?   You could try:7 $ @sys$system:shutdown 0 SHUTDOWN NO YES LATER YES NONE     / >Could a modem attached to the graphic console?   M No, but the machines I know of do have a serial port where you may switch the = console to. And you may attach a modem to such a serial port.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:56:43 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>. Subject: Re: boot cdrom, backup image, reboot?0 Message-ID: <3DA1BAA1.7F3B67B2@blueyonder.co.uk>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:     >  > You could try:9 > $ @sys$system:shutdown 0 SHUTDOWN NO YES LATER YES NONE  >    ; Will work as long as the machine is configured to autoboot  ( correctly into the normal configuration.  C Depending on your hardware, you might be able to use remote console 8 features over the network. I know DS series can do this.   regards, --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 06:54:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: C: sizeof question with structs, Message-ID: <3DA167D8.A4724886@videotron.ca>   Lets say I have the following:   struct recipe_struct {    					char ingredient[30] ; 					int  amount ; 					short metric_flg ;  					char comment[100] ; 				}    J I know that in a program, I can get the size of the whole structure with :  # 	x = sizeof(struct recipe_struct) ;   < But is there a way to get the size of an individual member ?   I know I can do:& 	struct recipe_struct chocolate_cake ;, 	keylen = sizeof(chocolate_cake.ingredient);  F But I'd like to get the size without having to allocate the structure.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:36:13 +05004 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>, Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs4 Message-ID: <9230136276.20021007163613@ncc.volga.ru>  < On 07.10.2002 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    > Lets say I have the following:    > struct recipe_struct =A0{  =20? >                                         char ingredient[30] ; 7 >                                         int  amount ; < >                                         short metric_flg ;= >                                         char comment[100] ; & >                                 =A0}    J > I know that in a program, I can get the size of the whole structure wit= h :   . >         x =3D sizeof(struct recipe_struct) ;  > > But is there a way to get the size of an individual member ?   > I know I can do:/ >         struct recipe_struct chocolate_cake ; 7 >         keylen =3D sizeof(chocolate_cake.ingredient);   H > But I'd like to get the size without having to allocate the structure.  =  keylen =3D sizeof(((struct recipe_struct *) 0)->ingredient);    --=20 
 Best regards, %  Valentin                         =20   valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2002 09:41:32 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs3 Message-ID: <C+7Z4NT0HKIV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3DA167D8.A4724886@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  > Lets say I have the following: >  > struct recipe_struct {    > 					char ingredient[30] ; > 					int  amount ; > 					short metric_flg ;  > 					char comment[100] ; > 				}  > > But is there a way to get the size of an individual member ? >  > I know I can do:( > 	struct recipe_struct chocolate_cake ;. > 	keylen = sizeof(chocolate_cake.ingredient); > H > But I'd like to get the size without having to allocate the structure.  *    No.  (C is such a brain-dead language.)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:47:35 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: RE: C: sizeof question with structs9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEODFNAA.tom@kednos.com>   
 do it in PL/I    dcl 1 recipe_struct, 	2 incredient char(30),  	2 amount fixed bin(31), 	2 metric_flg fixed bin(15), 	2 comment char(100);   / keylen = size(ingredient);  /* size in bytes */      >-----Original Message----- 5 >From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@encompasserve.org] ' >Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:42 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >Subject: Re: C: sizeof question with structs  >  > 6 >In article <3DA167D8.A4724886@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei' ><jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: ! >> Lets say I have the following:  >> >> struct recipe_struct { >> 					char ingredient[30] ;  >> 					int  amount ;  >> 					short metric_flg ; >> 					char comment[100] ; 	 >> 				}  > ? >> But is there a way to get the size of an individual member ?  >> >> I know I can do: ) >> 	struct recipe_struct chocolate_cake ; / >> 	keylen = sizeof(chocolate_cake.ingredient);  >>I >> But I'd like to get the size without having to allocate the structure.  > + >   No.  (C is such a brain-dead language.)  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:35:12 GMT + From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> ' Subject: Re: Disable access log on CSWS 2 Message-ID: <kBjo9.23$Pg1.606266@news.cpqcorp.net>  1 <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote in message 2 news:00A14F3F.4437F4BE@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...G > In article <ankejt$eu3pe$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>, "James Gessling"  <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:  > K > >Anyone know how to do this?  For our strictly internal web services it's  not H > >necessary and keeps showing up in the performance data as a hot file. >  [snip] > K > If that doesn't work, then within the relevant VirtualHost container, try  > $ > CustomLog /nla0/access.log  common > J > (I haven't tried this, but if it works your performance program probably won't 2 > recognize any file on the null device as "hot".) > I > I don't think there's been a special CSWS tweak to recognize /dev/null,  which % > would be the Unix thing to do here.  > 	 > -- Alan  >   G Sending to NL: will work, as Alan suggests, and will improve throughput 9 considerably for those who don't need access information.   E We plan to look at the performance characteristics of access logging, C because it does place a significant hit on throughput. There may be G something we can do in this area to improve pperformance in the future.   
 Rick Barry Compaq Secure Web Server OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett-Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2002 00:03:18 -0700 4 From: francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.it (Francesco Gennai)* Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)< Message-ID: <72f5654.0210062303.721e7c78@posting.google.com>  R Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message news:<3D9FF6E7.50209@vajhoej.dk>... > Arne Vajhj wrote: > < > > There are probably some webmail interface out there that > > does not handle it.  > > = > > But is is a very common feature - I would expect it to be 9 > > used by *millions* of people world-wide. And it seems  > > to work. > - > To elaborate a bit: the reason that this is . > usually not a problem is that email accounts/ > is usually personal. It is probably extremely - > rare that two web-sessions would access the  > same POP-account.   C Please take a look at RFC 1939 for UIDL commad and all of you could & find a good answer to this discussion.  E UIDL returns a list of unique message identifiers for the messages in  the D mailstore or just for the message corresponding to the optional UIDL
 parameter: message number.   > It is possible to have multiple POP3 sessions to delete random messagesD from the same mailbox providing that the server support the optional UIDL- command and that the client correctly use it.   @ Think to POP client that permits you to "delete from server whenF delete from local folder". It could be quite dangerous, as most of you wrote, if the only8 messages identifier was the position number in the list.    Regards,	 Francesco  >  > Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 04:16:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)+ Message-ID: <3DA142EA.48C0B0C@videotron.ca>    Francesco Gennai wrote: E > Please take a look at RFC 1939 for UIDL commad and all of you could ( > find a good answer to this discussion. > G > UIDL returns a list of unique message identifiers for the messages in  > the F > mailstore or just for the message corresponding to the optional UIDL > parameter: > message number.   M Note that UIDL, while part of the standard (it is now STD53 btw, no longer an + RFC), it is considered an optional command.   N Note however that the unique ID provided cannot be used in any other commands.J What this allows however is for a client to store locally the UIDS of eachN message received, and during the next session withthe POP server, re-establish- a new table of message number and message ID.   J So during the first sesssion, the client would issue UIDL to get a list ofJ message IDs for each message number. He might then decide to RETR 5 to get1 message 5 (which UIDL revealed to have ID XYZZY).   I Then on a later session, the client would have to issue a UIDL again, and M lookup the list to find out what message number  "XYZZY" was at now, and then   issue the proper DELE n command.    L Note that as of TCPIP 5.3, the VMS pop server does support the UIDL command.V The message IS is the username followed by a time stamp  in full VMS date-time format,   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2002 16:09:13 +0200 ' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) * Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)+ Message-ID: <wk6MdrAO64X8@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   s In article <72f5654.0210011225.4934b40b@posting.google.com>, francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.it (Francesco Gennai) writes:  > C > What I'm searching for is a webmail client that should run on VMS F > platform (Apache or OSU or WASD is ok) and that can access mailboxes > on any other remote F > system via POP (optionally IMAP) protocol and that can send messages& > by a remote system via SMTP session.. > This is like most of webmail interface work. >   K If You are interested in a graphical POP client only, then the VMS-side web  server is not involved at all.9 Why not simply use one of the browsers available on VMS ? > They all support reading mail via POP, and can send SMTP-mail.) Just try one of: Mosaic,Netscape,Mozilla.    --: Joseph "Sepp" Huber, Max-Planck-Institut Physik,Muenchen, : http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber                            ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2002 09:26:01 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)3 Message-ID: <1mQK80NrABOP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3D9FF666.5060909@vajhoej.dk>, Arne =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > 3 > How does VMS MAIL handle the sitituation with two / > sessions (f.ex. good old VT320's) reading and & > deleting email at the same account ?      RMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 15:01:11 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>  Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL/ Message-ID: <uq38dnnmeanv47@corp.supernews.com>   : Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:I :> > $TRANLOG (?) was retired 20 years ago. It is still there and working I :> > on Vaxes. So any code that was untouched still worked. Of course, in G :> > the modern world, working customer code is worth nothing at all...  :>  L :>    It is still there and working on Alpha also, and I expect to see it on :>    IA-64, don't you?   . : Is this the system service behind F$LOGICAL?  B I should hope not, since it's been obsolete for more than a decade# (I think it went out with VMS V4.0)   & The current system service is $TRNLNM.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:05:45 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL; Message-ID: <01KNE30N51J69QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   K > :> > $TRANLOG (?) was retired 20 years ago. It is still there and working K > :> > on Vaxes. So any code that was untouched still worked. Of course, in I > :> > the modern world, working customer code is worth nothing at all...  > :>  N > :>    It is still there and working on Alpha also, and I expect to see it on > :>    IA-64, don't you?  > 0 > : Is this the system service behind F$LOGICAL? > D > I should hope not, since it's been obsolete for more than a decade% > (I think it went out with VMS V4.0)  > ( > The current system service is $TRNLNM.  G Right.  I was suspecting that an obsolete lexical function (F$LOGICAL)  , uses an obsolete system service ($TRANSLOG).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:19:07 +0100 ! From: John Laird <john@yrl.co.uk>  Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL8 Message-ID: <o993qug7aqc8f633644fu6sdi40acac28j@4ax.com>  8 On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:05:45 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:   L >> :> > $TRANLOG (?) was retired 20 years ago. It is still there and workingL >> :> > on Vaxes. So any code that was untouched still worked. Of course, inJ >> :> > the modern world, working customer code is worth nothing at all... >> :> O >> :>    It is still there and working on Alpha also, and I expect to see it on  >> :>    IA-64, don't you? >>  1 >> : Is this the system service behind F$LOGICAL?  >>  E >> I should hope not, since it's been obsolete for more than a decade & >> (I think it went out with VMS V4.0) >>  ) >> The current system service is $TRNLNM.  > H >Right.  I was suspecting that an obsolete lexical function (F$LOGICAL) - >uses an obsolete system service ($TRANSLOG).   K If they both work, and won't be "switched off", why change either of them ? L I wouldn't be surprised if $TRNLOG wasn't still behind LIB$SYS_TRNLOG too !!  @ (For many purposes, these are much easier to use than the TRNLNM replacements.)     	John    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:25:32 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL; Message-ID: <01KNE3O8870O9QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   N > >> :> > $TRANLOG (?) was retired 20 years ago. It is still there and working  + > >> The current system service is $TRNLNM.   / > >uses an obsolete system service ($TRANSLOG).   N > I wouldn't be surprised if $TRNLOG wasn't still behind LIB$SYS_TRNLOG too !!  > OK, $TRNLOG seems to be the spelling.  $TRNLOG, $TRNLNM---and H 6-character limits on DECNET node names.  Does this have anything to do F with the (long since obsolete) 6-character limit for FORTRAN variable  names?   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:40:40 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> Y Subject: F$LOGICAL (was: Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ Cl ; Message-ID: <01KNE24WLB8C9QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > > $TRANLOG (?) was retired 20 years ago. It is still there and workingH > > on Vaxes. So any code that was untouched still worked. Of course, inF > > the modern world, working customer code is worth nothing at all... > K >    It is still there and working on Alpha also, and I expect to see it on  >    IA-64, don't you?  , Is this the system service behind F$LOGICAL?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:05:18 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL (was: Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C+ 2 Message-ID: <i9jo9.20$9f1.553016@news.cpqcorp.net>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   . > Is this the system service behind F$LOGICAL?   F$LOGICAL calls $TRNLOG    --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:38:47 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> C Subject: good ol' VMS MAIL (was: RE: e-mail web client (SilkyMail)) ; Message-ID: <01KNE1U7S7VA9QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   3 > How does VMS MAIL handle the sitituation with two / > sessions (f.ex. good old VT320's) reading and & > deleting email at the same account ?  E I routinely concurrently access the same mail file by the same and by G different users.  I've never had any problems.  Occasionally, warnings  I appear but it is obvious that they are expected and that the Right Thing   is done in such cases.  E The only real problem I've run into is bad performance with A LOT of  H MAIL messages.  However, distributing things across various directories E solves that problem.  (I now have mail files residing in a directory  E which corresponds to the first letter of the mail-file name.  I then  H include the path in the SET FILE command.  (DEFINE/KEY/ECHO/NOTERMINATE I is your friend to save keystrokes here.)  I also have procedures to file  H a message in a given folder and file.  I usually SPAWN these from MAIL, I another example of accessing the same mail file from different processes  % (in this case, in the same job tree).   G I remember someone posting another solution here once: once a year (or  F whatever), move all the mail messages to a subdirectory for that year G (or whatever).  Then delete the main mail file in this subdirectory and I replace it by a link (SET FILE/ENTER) to the "real" mail file.  One then  F has ALL the short messages and the first part of long messages in the G main file and only when actually needing to access more than the first  E part of a long message does one have to SET FILE to the alias in the  
 subdirectory.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:35:25 +0800 ) From: Kiasu Surfer <verykiasu@hotpop.com> @ Subject: How to switch to 100BT network with little implications8 Message-ID: <oih2qucrv0i3jf2f9f242l2me5tbsk672t@4ax.com>  @ My Alpha4000 server is presently connected to a 100BaseT switch.3 Few weeks ago it was connected to a 10BaseT switch.   @ I believe the Server 10/100BT NIC is a presently set to 10BaseT.L I had read something about changing the setting at boot-time to switch it to 100BT.  E Can someone enlighten me with the proper execution procedures with no  implication.   Thanks     Regards,  	 Kevin Lai    **************** ** SPAM BLOCK ** ****************? REPLACE "verykiasu" with "iamverykiasu" at verykiasu@hotpop.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:48:50 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> D Subject: Re: How to switch to 100BT network with little implications8 Message-ID: <e043qu816nf020lbsmmbcv2elk0tjvrkq4@4ax.com>  0 On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:35:25 +0800, Kiasu Surfer <verykiasu@hotpop.com> wrote:   A >My Alpha4000 server is presently connected to a 100BaseT switch. 4 >Few weeks ago it was connected to a 10BaseT switch. > A >I believe the Server 10/100BT NIC is a presently set to 10BaseT. M >I had read something about changing the setting at boot-time to switch it to  >100BT.  > F >Can someone enlighten me with the proper execution procedures with no
 >implication.    At the console prompt.  set ewaX_mode auto $ replace X with adaptor number (eg 0)  B Assuming the interface can run at 100. If not the set command will
 give an error  >Thanks  >  > 	 >Regards,  > 
 >Kevin Lai >  >****************  >** SPAM BLOCK **  >**************** @ >REPLACE "verykiasu" with "iamverykiasu" at verykiasu@hotpop.com   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:33:59 -0400 - From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> D Subject: Re: How to switch to 100BT network with little implications0 Message-ID: <3DA1A967.9196DFD2@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Alan Greig wrote:  > At the console prompt. >  set ewaX_mode auto & > replace X with adaptor number (eg 0)  P Slight correction.  You must "set ewX0_mode auto", where X is the adapter letter (a, b, c...)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:13:51 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> @ Subject: Re: HP tells VMS users "Relax, you are sitting pretty"!2 Message-ID: <jhjo9.22$rl1.773186@news.cpqcorp.net>  E I'd hate to insult morons by calling you one.  You claimed that HP-UX J requires Itanium-2, which is completely false.  I can attest to that sinceI we purchased i2000's with HP-UX prior to the merger, list price right off I the internet.  HP-UX customers and ISV's certainly had the opportunity to L "port" to Itanium prior to the availability of Itanium-2.  So you are prettyJ much wrong all around on *exactly* what you claimed.  I don't think that IK have a burden to provide you with a list of proof points and customer names 
 for HP-UX.    2 Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message% <3D9D7B68.4080805@nospamn.sun.com>...  >  >  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote: 5 >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message  >>C >>>>HP-UX runs on Itanium-1.  Customers/ISV's may have chosen to do 	 migration  >>>>using that platform. >>>> >>>> >>> 8 >>>So provide some examples of customers migrating their8 >>>applications and data from an existing PA-RISC system. >>>to an Itanium I or II system running HP-UX. >>> 1 >>>I suspect that there is now going to be a long 2 >>>silence from Freddy, par for the course though. >>>  >> >>L >> Still a putz, aren't you.  Why in the world would you think I have a list ofI >> HP-UX customers?  Or any insight into their customer base.  Oh, that's I >> right - your in marketing so that would be the norm for you.  Tell you  what, E >> send me the list of all Sun customers, and I'll see what I can do.  >> > 9 >So why are you arguing a point when you have admitted in : >this post that you are entirely ignorant about the merits >of your argument ???  > ; >And you cal me a putz. Freddy boy when will you ever learn 9 >get some mirror time and please please please try a tiny  >bit of thought before posting.  >  >Regards >Andrew Harrison >  >> >> >> >    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2002 04:57:01 -0700   From: kent.gabrin@home.se (Kega): Subject: Re: logical name weirdness (was: RE: UAF Problem)< Message-ID: <28f58ade.0210070357.9884818@posting.google.com>  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KN8BL1Q91E9OF8NK@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...  	 ...cut...   H > Again, an interesting question.  IF the idea of separate roots on the E > system disk was introduced before search lists were, then it would  F > perhaps make sense.  At least, [SYSn...] would include the stuff in 
 > SYS$COMMON.   E IIRC the [SYSn...] were introduced in VMS V3.0. (I don't think V3 had D search lists.) In those days we used to have, at my previous work, a@ separate [SYS1...] tree to be used when we got problems with theE ordinary [SYS0...]. The SYS1-tree were rather small with a tiny page- E & swapfile, no layered product etc. If we screwed up our SYS0-tree in E some way we just boot the system into SYS1 and fixed the problem (for ( instans SYSUAF, BOOT-procedures, etc...)D (No problem running EDT in line mode on a paper terminal LA120, have you?) ? The boot-routines of [SYS1...] had an automatic inquiry of what D password SYSTEM (of the SYSUAF on [SYS1.SYSEXE]) should have. On theC boot-floppy of the VAX 11/780 I hade made separate boot-routines to # make it simple to boot the SYS1 up.   D Nostalgia: Using FLX to create these alternative to DEFBOO.CMD makes me feel old.  @ We even had a separate VMS 4 system [sys4...] to use when we didD laboration tests of features introduced in V4 (VMSCluster, ACLs etc) during off hours.   D In V2 and prior version SYS$SYSTEM was SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSEXE]. In V3F it become [SYSn.SYSEXE] and in V4 it become the well known search listE (but only when you were running VMSCluster). Correct me if I'm wrong.    Enough from me.    /Kent (a.k.a. Kega) # Started with VMS in 1980 (VMS V1.6)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:34:44 +0400 / From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> 2 Subject: Problem with DEC TCP/IP and about patches( Message-ID: <3DA16344.3050800@beenet.ru>   Hi ppl!   F I'm observing strange bug in TCP/IP stack on my OpenVMS 7.2 VAX (from 9 Hobbyist CD) when I try to telnet to VAX from Linux box . I After TCP connection is estableshed (SYN-ACK procedure) there is strange  D packet flow between linux (client) and VAX (server). And looks like 8 output from VMS is buffered somewhere. I mean following:  $ [kostik@operator kostik]$ telnet vax Trying 192.168.1.222...  Connected to vax.  Escape character is '^]'. + <here is big pause, then I tap escape char>  telnet> <enter>  Username:system<enter> <pause, again escape char> telnet> <enter> 	 Password:  etc etc etc.I And during this connection boxes send a lot of TCP packets, I don't know  
 the contents. F I remember that there was no such thins with CMU TCP/IP stack on uVAX F with VAX/VMS 5.5-2, so I think it's a bug in DECs' TCP/IP stack. Am I ( right? Is there patch for this anywhere?  G Another question - is there something like "recommended patch cluster"  < (sorry guys, imported term :))  or similar anywhere? I'm on D http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml#public and ? can't see at least patches for my version of OS and hardware...      Thanks! 
 Best regards,  Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2002 07:26:30 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)6 Subject: Re: Problem with DEC TCP/IP and about patches3 Message-ID: <sHiOWeHv2ewi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <0Feo9.19660$M52.213414@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:\ > In article <3DA16344.3050800@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes:H >>I'm observing strange bug in TCP/IP stack on my OpenVMS 7.2 VAX (from ; >>Hobbyist CD) when I try to telnet to VAX from Linux box . K >>After TCP connection is estableshed (SYN-ACK procedure) there is strange  F >>packet flow between linux (client) and VAX (server). And looks like : >>output from VMS is buffered somewhere. I mean following: > L > If it is TCPIP V5.0-9 (aka V5.0) or V5.0-10 (aka V5.0A) what you run, thenB > the problem is well known (a endless loop in negotiation phase).F > Use TCPIP V5.0-11 (unfortunately also known as V5.0A and not V5.0B),H > V5.1-15 or V5.3-18 and install also the appropriate ECOs afterwards... >   D You can also work around it by setting $TERM to a value known to VMS0 (try "vt100") before issuing the telnet command.   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:10:14 +0400u/ From: Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru>e6 Subject: Re: Problem with DEC TCP/IP and about patches( Message-ID: <3DA187B6.8010208@beenet.ru>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:\ > In article <3DA16344.3050800@beenet.ru>, Konstantin Klubnichkin <kostik@beenet.ru> writes: > H >>I'm observing strange bug in TCP/IP stack on my OpenVMS 7.2 VAX (from ; >>Hobbyist CD) when I try to telnet to VAX from Linux box .lK >>After TCP connection is estableshed (SYN-ACK procedure) there is strange lF >>packet flow between linux (client) and VAX (server). And looks like : >>output from VMS is buffered somewhere. I mean following: >  > L > If it is TCPIP V5.0-9 (aka V5.0) or V5.0-10 (aka V5.0A) what you run, thenB > the problem is well known (a endless loop in negotiation phase).F > Use TCPIP V5.0-11 (unfortunately also known as V5.0A and not V5.0B),H > V5.1-15 or V5.3-18 and install also the appropriate ECOs afterwards... >   $ So I have to find corresponding ECO? Now going to find it...a   Thanks!    -- s
 Best regards,a Konstantin Klubnichkin   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2002 09:35:44 -0600h- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)hU Subject: Re: Proposal: Retirement of some Components of the Compaq C++ Class  Libraryp3 Message-ID: <pnVJdgIYAY9+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <87fzvkkdjn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > F > $TRANLOG (?) was retired 20 years ago. It is still there and workingF > on Vaxes. So any code that was untouched still worked. Of course, inD > the modern world, working customer code is worth nothing at all...  I    It is still there and working on Alpha also, and I expect to see it on     IA-64, don't you?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:19:54 -0700, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>4 Subject: Regarding spiritwave "certification" on VMS4 Message-ID: <ansfns$hcq40$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  F This press release has been posted twice now, and I've just got to say	 somehing.n  F After dealing with this product on and off for the past couple months,K I must say that their idea of certification certainly is not anywhere closes to mine.J I have still not gotten the thing installed.  Perhaps I'm at fault for not seeingI how "cool" the product is and figuring out the installation on my own.  Ih haveJ this weird idea that the installation should be documented and the scripts should work.  J Their latest attempt at documenting the installation includes these lines:  C >The customer / end user will also need to contact the OpenVMS Java: engineering I >team to get a copy of the JAVA$BUILD_CLASSPATH.EXE file which is used to  generat- >e classpaths.  G  >The command file "wmd_vms.com" uses a logical name "wldisk" - for the, ods-5 disk"l  I Excuse me?  I'm supposed to go find someone in OpenVMS engineering to get K me some magic file?  And by the way wmd_vms.com doesn't use wldisk, it doesoH refer to swdisk and is generally a mess with lots of commented out lines to confuse things.  K I suppose this may be a fine product once installed, but I'm not interested- in spending the time to find out.   Jim5   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:05:19 +0200C From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de>aD Subject: Re: Sony 40/12/48 CD-RW IDE usable wih CDRecord on OpenVMS?> Message-ID: <00A1519B.6A6DDBD1.2@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>   Rich,   nG You didn't specify the exact model, but due to the fact that almost alllO drives produced since 2000 use the same burningcommands, there is a 99.x chances that it will work.  I If the are problems let me know. I have here cdrecord version 1.11a35 andoB Joerg Schilling states that this is almost the final 1.11 version.  kD If you use a complete erasure of a CD-RW, please keep in mind to use@ a modified dqdriver (too small timeout in the original version).    eberhard% (Author of the VMS-part of cdrecord).H   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:17:27 -0400& From: "BellNews" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>! Subject: Telnet Sessions Freezing-9 Message-ID: <elio9.3763$zU5.413220@news20.bellglobal.com>m  
 Hello all,  * Server: OpenVMS V7.2-1, TCPIP V 5.0a ECO-3% Client:  Windows2000, PowerTerm 5.4.2e  2 From time to time, some telnet sessions "freeze" -5 the application has prompted for data, and charactersa8 cannot be entered - they are not echoed (they should be)  4 Using analyse/system, and looking at the TNA device,( the device status is 00000012 int,online  / All other TNA devices are just 00000010 online.a  4 The status bit number 1 (value 2) indicates that "an' interrupt is expected from this device"d  4 Anyone experienced this, or can add further to this?   TIAc Scotte   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:21:13 +0100 (MET)=9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> % Subject: Re: Telnet Sessions FreezingO; Message-ID: <01KNE5KQPX7Y9QWKOO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   , > Server: OpenVMS V7.2-1, TCPIP V 5.0a ECO-3' > Client:  Windows2000, PowerTerm 5.4.2d > 4 > From time to time, some telnet sessions "freeze" -7 > the application has prompted for data, and charactersh: > cannot be entered - they are not echoed (they should be)  H I didn't check the device status, but I've seen this several times when H things looked more or less OK at my end (VMS) but things were frozen at G the other end.  Since the connection was rather slow (several thousand  F km internet, analog phone line at one end, ISDN line at the other), I & suspect that it was a network problem.  F Which reminds me: this situation seems to confuse PHONE (i.e. between C the user who TELNETted in and a local user), presumably since from -8 PHONE's point of view, the "frozen" session is still OK.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:17:22 +01004 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 DCL / MXb4 Message-ID: <anrfso$afu$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  K "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message > Do D you have your MAIL$PROTOCOL* logicals set correctly?  Here are mine: >r > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >f' >   "MAIL$PROTOCOL_DSN" = "DSN$MAILSHR" % >   "MAIL$PROTOCOL_MX" = "MX_MAILSHR" ' >   "MAIL$PROTOCOL_SMTP" = "MX_MAILSHR"r  % That's interesting - what sets them ?l  G I see the protocol SMTP in TCPIP - we don't use it, but there's nothingd# which sets up protocol MX anywhere.-   MX 5.0 is what we're using.   I The documentation suggests that the mail$protocol_PREFIX is needed for ana/ alternate prefix (ie, not MX%). We've just got:s    "MAIL$INTERNET_TRANSPORT" = "MX"  ( "MAIL$PROTOCOL_GFAX" = "GOLDFAX_MAILSHR"   Thanks,_   Chris    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:29:50 +01002 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: VMS mail loge4 Message-ID: <ans26l$30g$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  F Anyone know how to get a log (date,time,from,to,subject) of VMS mail ?  / I've a webserver process which does "$ mail nl:e- inside::fred.flintstone/subj="Blah blah blah"oL The web page which triggers this was accessed (verified in the log), and theI page which says "done, thank you" was accessed (verified in the log), and0G was apparently all present and correct. There were no errors visible inuL netserver.log. On node inside::, the mailserver process started up, and shutF down 5 minutes later with the right remote node & username, and statusL %x10000004. Its netserver.log says nothing. fred.flintstone is set up in VMS mail to forward to fred.E fred (as reliable as they come) says he didn't get the mail. All this  happened this morning.H I turned on verification in the webserver process, and it all works fine now.  H Normally I'd just blame fred, but he is very reliable. It's also claimedI that the same failure occurred way back on 9-Sep (a reminder was sent out L this weekend) - I can't verify that, but the chances of Fred losing the sameI email twice are sufficiently slim that I'd like some kind of verificationw from VMS mail.  L The webserver process sending the mail runs in the DMZ, and doesn't have theJ benefits of SMTP, MX, etc - all that's available is vmsmail to username orF node::username. I don't really want to change that, but I would like a* better audit trail of what mail gets sent.   Thanks, Chris Sharman K (oh, and sorry - I'm getting unacceptable amounts of spam, so I'm not using-! a real email address any longer).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:09:05 +0200e) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl>I8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?* Message-ID: <anr8e3$c6u$1@news1.xs4all.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:e > Robert Deininger wrote:o > H >>VMS developers making new installers should use PCSI.  There are a few& >>reasons to use VMSINSTAL, including: >>= >>1. You are targeting a version of VMS without PCSI support.tL >>2. You already have a VMSINSTAL, and don't want to do the work to convert. >  > B > Is PCSI capable of putting files in various directories/drives ? > O > For instance, setup the main software on a non-system disk, and provide a fewN= > shareable images in sys$library : ?????? Can PCSI do that ?-  H I am not familiar with the internals of PCSI, but why would anyone want C to put shareable images in SYS$LIBRARY? I would prefer to keep all  D components of a product together in a single directory (-tree) on a  non-system disk.   > L > PCSI does add the "product database", but that could have been done failry > easily with VMSinstal.  	 Bart Zorn(   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 06:39:51 -0400:2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?J Message-ID: <rdeininger-0710020639510001@1cust18.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  5 In article <3DA0E3E9.4E80F484@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeip% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:a   >Robert Deininger wrote:I >> VMS developers making new installers should use PCSI.  There are a fewa' >> reasons to use VMSINSTAL, including:	 >> h> >> 1. You are targeting a version of VMS without PCSI support.M >> 2. You already have a VMSINSTAL, and don't want to do the work to convert.p >tA >Is PCSI capable of putting files in various directories/drives ?n  I Off the top of my head, I don't know.  It would be a very useful feature.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 07:14:52 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>V8 Subject: Re: Which UIC to use for a product's username ?, Message-ID: <3DA16C94.92B4ED54@videotron.ca>   Robert Deininger wrote:iC > >Is PCSI capable of putting files in various directories/drives ?t > K > Off the top of my head, I don't know.  It would be a very useful feature./     From the PCSI documentation: #- file	 Parameter0 nameO Specifies the name of the file object to install on the users system. The namesS consists of a relative file directory specification, file name, and file type. FiletL version is ignored because the utility determines the file version to use at installation time. #n  L And there doesn't seem to be any obvious way inside the PDF files to specifyI the root directory from which all subsequent file refeences will be made.i  N All the examples in the manual show files being moved to the system disk under the current system root.  M Seems that the only way to specify a "full" target is to use the /DESTINATIONaK qualified when invoking product instal, or define the PCSI$DESTINATION. ButtB then, all files provided by the kit would be under that directory.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:19:51 +00002 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>B Subject: [OT] Fortune named Carley Most Powerful Woman in Business4 Message-ID: <20021007171951.A24389@eisenschmidt.org>  D I haven't seen this here yet, thought I'd pass it along. The currentD issue of Fortune is profiling the 50 Most Powerful Women in BusinessD this month, and Carly made #1. She apparently ranked #1 last year as well.m  - http://www.fortune.com/lists/women/index.htmlv  . http://www.fortune.com/lists/women/snap_1.html  
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